Monday, December 08, 2008


Greece, in presumed reaction to the "global financial emergency" is rioting. A 15 year old boy was killed by police in earlier demonstrations today. Now Yahoo! news reports that there are massive riots in reaction to the 15 year old boy's death that are "crippling Greece."

Recommendation 666 of the Western European Union Assembly was adopted by the European Union in December 2000 at the Nice conference. Paragraph 15 gave Javier Solana power to "convene the Council of the European Union" in "the event of an emergency."

Will these Grecian riots be treated as such an emergency? If so, how soon? Stay tuned!



Constance Cumbey said...

I have had calls from England asking for proofs on Moral Rearmament (Now known as 'Initiatives of Change') network with Lucis Trust. The caller told me had little success in researching same. Here are a few that I easily found on Google which you can check out:

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Anonymous said...

for those interested in the questions of what happens now in the Obama birth certificate issues.
basically it will never be dead.

Anonymous said...

The person(s) who carry on with asking the question of the birth cert will be marginalized instantly under then new regieme - if the transition indded does occur, which I still doubt. Thanks for the prior links Dorothy -


Anonymous said...

Off Topic, but interesting.
According to JPOST, Sarkozy calls for direct Israel-Syria talks:
"Nicholas Sarkozy said on Monday that it was imperative that Israel and Syria commence in direct talks now. According to Sarkozy, this will not happen without Syrian President Bashar Assad, therefore he must not be isolated, Israel Radio reported."

"Speaking in Paris at an event marking the 60th anniversary of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the French leader added that he would never shake hands with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who called to wipe Israel off the face of the earth."

"Such things cannot be said after the Holocaust, and the people must consider who speaks in their name, said Sarkozy."

Link here-


Anonymous said...

And now for a world government

by columbist Gideon Rachman

An interesting article online from Financial Times via Drudge link (I check him a lot. Even if I had as much time as he, I am not sure I could find all these things.)

"I have never believed that there is a secret United Nations plot to take over the US. I have never seen black helicopters hovering in the sky above Montana. But, for the first time in my life, I think the formation of some sort of world government is plausible.

"A “world government” would involve much more than co-operation between nations. It would be an entity with state-like characteristics, backed by a body of laws. The European Union has already set up a continental government for 27 countries, which could be a model. The EU has a supreme court, a currency, thousands of pages of law, a large civil service and the ability to deploy military force.

"So could the European model go global? There are three reasons for thinking that it might.

Read the rest of the article. Very interesting. I am sure much of it is familiar to Cumby readers.

Jeremy D. Eagan said...

Rec 666 will be activated sooner than later.

Anonymous said...

This article caught my eye today. Since Caryl Matrisciana was recently interviewed by Constance, I thought that her review of the new movie "Twilight"(and it's author) was very thorough and excellently written. Definitely emailing this to friends and family.
Link here-
or here-


Anonymous said...

It was also possible for solana to activate rec 666 during the French riots but it was not done, although I think he will at some time, I would guess he would push the State to take care of it first, I just don't feel it is time yet for him to show his cards per say.

Anonymous said...

EU to streamline operational chains of command (Dec. 3, '08):

Also, webpage for "Links" of WEU Assembly shows the following (the first two are directly associated to Dr. Solana and the next three have strong connections to him):

Anonymous said...

HUFFPO is reporting that a Tony Blair has negotiated a "secret" peace agreement with Israel and the Palestinians.

Link here-
or here-

Anyone hearing further confirmation of this agreement?

Anonymous said...

Didn't mean to put an "a" before Tony Blair. :-(


Anonymous said...

Jerusalem Post article about EU boosting ties with Israel:

If you turn to JP International page there's a photo of Javier and the Czech President.


Anonymous said...

More on the subject:


Anonymous said...

The last link might not be so helpful, but this one is interesting:


the70thweek said...

One more from Israel national news.


Anonymous said...

Speaking of Tony check this out:

What he fails to mention in his eid greeting is that the Muslims believe it was Ishmael who was taken to be sacrificed, not Isaac...He just glossed over that point and uses that expression about the 3 Abrahamic faiths...Oh, technicalities, technicalities....

Without the son of promise who was miraculously born to Sarah, we don't arrive at another Son of Promise , Yeshua from the line of David, who was miraculously born to Miriam ( Mary) and we don't have salvation plan for all the families of the earth, including both Isaac's and Ishmael's...

Oh who cares, just as long as we all get along...


Dawn said...

Thank you for the link to the review. I have forwarded it to most of my homeschool groups. I was really surprised to see what she had to say about some other Christian reviews of this movie.

I am curious about what they had to say about the Narnia movie.


Anonymous said...

Speaking of movies, I may have mentioned this the other day, but it is worth mentioning again:

I saw the movie, "Austrailia" last Friday. While it is a beautiful 3 hour movie, I feel the need to warn everyone of the heavy theme of New Age Mysticism and magic throughout.

Anonymous said...

Prosecutor Calls Corruption Charges Against Illinois Governor 'Appalling'

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.

Homophobic Horse said...

"Oh who cares, just as long as we all get along..."

This is what happens to those who don't toe the super "ecumenical" line.

Anonymous said...

Dec. 8, '08: General Affairs and External Relations Council (GAERC) approves update to Dr. Solana's European Security Strategy; to be presented to heads of state and government; Quartet to meet Dec. 15, '08:;jsessionid=E1AC896B914C2F64D06C0E08DBE82815

Anonymous said...

From ABC News (12/09/08):

Wanted President-Elect to "Put Something Together . . . Something Big"

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich wanted President-elect Barack Obama "to put something together & something big" in exchange for going along with Obama's choice to fill his vacant U.S. Senate seat, according to a FBI affidavit unsealed following the governor's stunning arrest.

"I've got this thing and it's f***ing golden, and, uh, uh, I'm just not giving it up for f***in' nothing. I'm not gonna do it. And I can always use it. I can parachute me there," Blagojevich said in a phone call secretly recorded by the FBI on Nov. 5, the day after the election, according to the affidavit.

"It is conduct that would make Lincoln roll over in his grave," said U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in announcing the charges today in Chicago.

He said the governor's efforts to "sell" the Senate seat was the "most sinister and appalling" of a range of alleged corrupt acts detailed in today's case.

Fitzgerald said "there is no allegation in the complaint that the president-elect was aware of it and that is all I can say." His comment did not close the door on the possibility that Obama or someone on his staff may have known of some aspect of the governor's demands.

There was no immediate comment from the office of the president-elect.

The FBI says Blagojevich wanted an appointment to the Obama cabinet as Secretary of Health and Human Services, a well-paying job, or huge campaign contributions as the price for naming Obama's successor.

Blagojevich was overheard by the FBI saying "I want to make money," complaining he was "financially hurting."

Blagojevich also sought a high paying job for his wife, according to the FBI. "Is there a play here, with these guys, with her" to work for a firm in Washington or New York, he reportedly asked.

The FBI affidavit said Blagojevich had been told by an adviser "the president-elect can get Rod Blagojevich's wife on paid corporate boards in exchange for naming the president-elect's pick to the Senate."

Told by two other advisers he has to "suck it up" for two years, the FBI says it heard Blagojevich complain he has to give this "motherf***er [the president-elect] his senator. F*** him. For nothing? F*** him."

The governor is heard saying he will pick another candidate "before I just give f***ing [Senate Candidate l] a f***ing Senate seat and I don't get anything."

According to the affidavit, one candidate for the senate seat, identified as Senate Candidate 5, promised to "raise money" for Blagojevich. The governor described, in a recorded call, an earlier approach by an associate of Senate Candidate 5.

"We were approached 'pay to play.' That, you know he'd raise me 500 grand. An emissary came. Then the other guy would raise a million, if I made him (Senate Candidate 5) a Senator," Blagojevich was quoted as saying.

Affidavit Says Blagojevich Knew He Was Under FBI Investigation

The FBI affidavit says Blagojevich thought he might get something "tangible up front" from Senate Candidate 5.

Aware that he was under FBI investigation, Blagojevich apparently considered appointing himself to Obama's Senate seat, the affidavit says. He is quoted as saying "he will be able to obtain greater resources if he is indicted as a sitting senator as opposed to a sitting governor."

He was arrested this morning on a two count criminal complaint and is expected in court later today.

"If Illinois isn't the most corrupt state in the United States, it sure is one hell of a the competitors," said the head of the FBI's Chicago office, Robert Grant.

He said veteran FBI agents were "disgusted, sick" as they listened to the intercepted conversations of the Illinois governor.

The governor was taken into custody in handcuffs from his home by two FBI agents just after six this morning, according to Grant.

Grant said he had first called the governor to tell him there was a warrant for his arrest.

"Is this a joke?" the governor responded, according to Grant.

Anonymous said...

Javier Solana, the High Representative, presented a document updating the European Security Strategy adopted in December 2003:

(See big photo of the good doctor.)

Anonymous said...


Massive riots cripple Greece's main cities

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - Greece's interior minister says the massive protest riots in cities across the country are "unacceptable" but insists that police are doing all they can to protect people's lives and property.

Thousands of youths are rampaging through Athens, the northern city of Thessaloniki and several other cities in the third day of riots Monday after police shot and killed a teenager on Saturday.

Minister Prokopis Pavlopoulos spoke after the Greek government held an emergency meeting Monday night.

In the center of the Greek capital, hooded and masked protesters are throwing Molotov cocktails at riot police, who are responding with tear gas. Dozens of shops have been burned or smashed and looted.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon 12:32,
Thanks for the warning about the movie "Australia". I passed the warning on to family members who were thinking about going to see it. I appreciate the info.


Anonymous said...

The whole Blagojevich story is just disturbing. It's right up there with that former Detroit mayor. What a worm!

Anonymous said...

Dear Dawn,
I'm as suprised as you about the other Christian reviewers. One of the first parenting books I ever read was "The Strong-Willed Child" by Dobson. Breaks my heart to see the deterioration of many of our Christian leaders into apostasy. Her review first put me on my knees in prayer, than moved me to type out emails.

In His Grace,

Cindy said...

"WHEW" I waited too long to look for my answer so I then got lost in the last post!!
Thank you Rudi & Susanna for your help. Yes, the problem was in loading the ones already posted - I see now on my error page it says something about a 'firewall'. It could very well be the one my son installed recently.
But thank you for your help.

Dawn said...

I went ahead and read what plugged-in-online said. It is so sad to see how Focus has embraced different aspects of the New Age movement. This has been been done slowly little by little in different areas.

I don't know how much you have researched, but to start with you could search this blog and others for connections with chuck Colson, Newt Gingrich as well of others who have new age connections. They have done several questionable Adventure in Odyssey.

Anonymous said...

That Blagojevich sure has a potty-mouth, doesn't he? Wow.

Hi, Dawn-
I'm a homeschooling mom too. :) We also use Plugged-In Online to decide which movies we allow our children to see. (We saw Bolt, but passed on Madagascar2.) About Twilight, it says in the Conclusion: "But there's enough negative undercurrent even in this first outing (the books get darker as they progress, so presumably the movies will follow) to justify some pretty serious conversations afterwards for those families that decide to defer their better judgment—which would normally push vampire flicks out of bounds—and go ahead and go with the flow and see the show." So, they aren't recommending the movie, but pointing out the problems that need to be discussed, if seen. I'm not trying to be argumentative... Am I missing something?

Also, can you tell me more about the questionable Adventures in Odyssey? I *just* gave our son the first volume for his birthday!


Anonymous said...

I am inviting readers of this thread to revisit the previous thread where posts have been added to correct Joyce's statements there. There will be more.


Bobbie Morin said...

Can someone help me, I seemed to have missed the reason for the riots in Greece. I understand the subsequent fallout riots from the shooting of the 15 year old, but I didn't see a story about what caused the teen and the university students to be rioting with police initially?


Anonymous said...


My take on it was that there was some anger because they were going to allow private universites to offer degrees instead of nationalized universities. However, why that made them so angry I am not sure.

Hope that helps,

Constance Cumbey said...

Hi Bobbie,

The Greek riots, per the wire services, were over the global financial crisis which of course has also deeply impacted Greece. A 15 year old boy was killed by police in the first set of demonstrations and that great increased the anger and riots which thereafter went on to engulf Greek cities.

Hope this helps

Constance Cumbey said...

The latest on Grecian riots:

View all web results for Greece
Greek strike to prompt more civil unrest
Deutsche Welle, Germany - 8 minutes ago
Opposition socialists called for the conservative government to quit as riot police battled protesters outside Greece's parliament and in Athens suburbs. ...
Demonstrators protest fatal shooting in Greece
CCTV, China - 12 minutes ago
Rioting in Greece broke out on Saturday after the fatal shooting of 15-year old boy in Athens. The shooting has triggered three days of riots in cities ...
Riots continue in Greece, opposition call for election
CCTV, China - 12 minutes ago
Over in Greece riot police fought running battles with protesters outside Greece's parliament in Athens and other cities on Tuesday. ...
Greece: Riots in Athens Continue
Global Voices Online, MA - 21 minutes ago
The disturbances are said to be the worst to hit Greece since the collapse of military rule in 1974, and point to widespread dissatisfaction with the ...
Timeline of how the Greek crisis unfolded, Canada - 26 minutes ago
Riots spread across Greece, to the northern cities of Thessaloniki, Komotini and Ioannina as well as the tourist resorts of Crete and Corfu. ...
General strike hits Greece
TeleText, UK - 29 minutes ago
Greece is facing further turmoil as unions hold a general strike against the Government's economic policies following four days of street violence. ...
Athens riots give Israeli tourists reason for concern
Ha'aretz, Israel - 47 minutes ago
Ophir Tours has received calls from travelers inquiring about the situation in Greece and asking about possible cancelations. Yehuda Zafrani, Ophir Tour's ...

Dawn said...

Thanks for pointing that out about the on line review. Sometimes I tend to gloss over something or read something wrong.

Now on to Adventures in Odyssey. I have listen to every episode at least once from Volume 1-41,43, & 45.
My daughter and I are huge fans and she has been listening since she was 5 (she is now 8)

Please feel free to email me what volume you have (if it is one I have) and I can give you a summary of good and bad. You can also go to to get a good summary.

New Age things off the top of my head: Contemplative prayer, the cornerstone of the emergent church was in album 28 called, "Welcome Home". The name of the episode is called "Solitary Refinement".

There are several dark episodes in albums 36, 37, 38. In these the story arc is around a company trying to change brain waves to radio waves. Mind control.

In some of the earlier episodes (particularly albums 1 and 2) there is a lot of material dealing with divorce.

There are a lot of little things that you don't hear the first or second time you listen to them.

My email is

Anonymous said...

Dear Dawn,
I've never heard of plugged-in-online. Thanks for the tip. I'll spend some time researching.


Anonymous said...

British TV will show assisted suicide:
"A documentary that shows the deliberate act in which a terminally ill man takes his own life at a Swiss euthanasia clinic will be shown Wednesday night on British television."

"'The Suicide Tourist,' by Canadian director John Zaritsky, shows Ewert swallowing a dose of sedatives and then biting down on a mouth-operated switch to turn off the ventilator keeping him alive."

"The Mail said Ewert, an American who lived in Harrowgate in northern England, paid the Dignitas 3,000 pounds, or more than $4,400, to cover the assisted suicide, his cremation and to ship his ashes back to Britain."

Link here-

or here-

*I don't even have the words to express my response to this article. I guess just deep sorrow at the darkness of things these days.


Anonymous said...

"Political Punch" - from ABC News Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper (12/09/08)

"Obviously like the rest of the people of Illinois I am saddened and sobered by the news that came out of the US attorney's office today," said President-elect Obama this afternoon in Chicago, speaking of the criminal complaint against Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich for corruption. "But as this is a ongoing investigation involving the governor I don't think it would be appropriate for me to comment on the issue at this time."

Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a "kingmaker," Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."

(UPDATE: An Obama Transition Team aide says that Axelrod misspoke on Fox News Chicago.)

(UPDATE #2: Axelrod this evening issued a statement saying. "I was mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the President-elect has spoken directly to Governor

Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then or at any time discuss the subject."

There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

But there remain questions about how Blagojevich knew that Mr. Obama was not willing to give him anything in exchange for the Senate seat -- with whom was Blagojevich speaking? Did that person report the governor to the authorities?

And, it should be pointed out, Mr. Obama has a relationship with Mr. Blagojevich, having not only endorsed Blagojevich in 2002 and 2006, but having served as a top adviser to the Illinois governor in his first 2002 run for the state house.

In the Democratic gubernatorial primary that year, then-state sen. Obama endorsed former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris. But after Blagojevich won, Obama came around enthusiastically. At the same time, meanwhile, Axelrod had such serious concerns about whether Blagojevich was ready for governing he refused to work for his one-time client.

According to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., Mr. Obama's incoming White House chief of staff, Emanuel, then-state senator Obama, a third Blagojevich aide, and Blagojevich's campaign co-chair, David Wilhelm, were the top strategists of Blagojevich's 2002 gubernatorial victory.

Emanuel told the New Yorker earlier this year that he and Obama "participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor. We basically laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two."

Wilhelm said that Emanuel had overstated Obama's role. "There was an advisory council that was inclusive of Rahm and Barack but not limited to them," Wilhelm said, and he disputed the notion that Obama was "an architect or one of the principal strategists."

(An Obama Transition Team aide emails to note that Emanuel later changed his recollection of this story to Rich Miller's "CAPITOL FAX," saying, "David [Wilhelm] and I have worked together on campaigns for decades. Like always, he's right and I'm wrong.")

Either way, others now around Obama were less enthusiastic about Blagojevich at the time, namely David Axelrod, Obama's senior campaign adviser who will soon be a senior adviser at the White House.

Axelrod had worked for Blagojevich in his past races for the House, but he declined to work on his gubernatorial run.

"He had been my client and I had a very good relationship with him, but I didn't sign on to the governor's race," Axelrod told the New Yorker. "Obviously he won, but I had concerns about it...I was concerned about whether he was ready for that. Not so much for the race but for governing. I was concerned about some of the folks -- I was concerned about how the race was being approached."

On the Chicago TV show "Public Affairs with Jeff Berkowitz" on June 27, 2002, state Sen. Obama said, "Right now, my main focus is to make sure that we elect Rod Blagojevich as Governor, we..."

"You working hard for Rod?" interrupted Berkowitz.

"You betcha," said Obama.

"Hot Rod?" asked the host.

"That's exactly right," Obama said.

In 2004, then-Gov. Blagojevich enthusiastically endorsed Obama for the Senate seat after he won the nomination, and Obama endorsed Blagojevich for his 2006 re-election race in early 2005.

In the Summer of 2006, then-U.S. Sen. Obama backed Blagojevich even though there were serious questions at the time about Blago's hiring practices.

At the time, numerous state agencies had had records subpoenaed, with U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald telling authorities he was looking into "very serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" with a "number of credible witnesses."

In an interview with the Chicago Daily Herald in July 2006, then-Sen. Obama said, "I have not followed closely enough what's been taking place in these investigations to comment on them. Obviously I'm concerned about reports that hiring practices at the state weren't, at times, following appropriate procedures. How high up that went, the degree at which the governor was involved, is not something I'm going to speculate on.

"If I received information that made me believe that any Democrat had not been acting in the public interest, I'd be concerned," Obama said.

That said, Mr. Obama said, "If the governor asks me to work on his behalf, I'll be happy to do it."

Apparently the governor did. At the Illinois State Fair in August 2006, Obama spoke on Blagojevich's behalf.

"We've got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois," Obama told the crowd.

Anonymous said...

Dear Constance

Thank you for your websearch on links between the late Frank Buchman's Moral ReArmament (MRA) organisation and Lucis (formerly Lucifer) Trust. I am your caller.

Buchman was a Christian minister and MRA, although somewhat into justification-by-works, are often said to have done good work toward reconciliation in post-WW2 Europe. A few years ago MRA changed its name to "Initiatives to Change" and has downplayed its Christian roots. Was it always a front for another facet of the satanic one-world drive?

I regard Buchman as a genuine Christian. In his early time in India, is there evidence that he compromised his faith in Christ, or was he interested in other faiths simply to better understand the viewpoint of the people he was dealing with? A Christian whom God permits to work among influential people will always arouse concern among those of us who are tracking the one-world drive. Let us not judge his fruits in the light of later events over which he had no influence (eg, postwar reconciliation gave birth to the EU).

MRA had a base in Caux, Switzerland, and Lucis seem to have published one item out of Caux (which is a village) in the MRA era, but that does not mean MRA and Lucis were in bed together - perhaps a Lucis man was naively invited to one of MRA's meetings there?

Your links clearly suggest that MRA's successor organisation "Initiatives to Change", which is increasingly multifaith, is moving closer to Lucis Trust. In view of who Lucis are, Christians remaining in "Initiatives" might ponder their options.

As for any links between MRA and the (highly New Age) Findhorn Community, I am grateful for the reference to the autobiography of Findhorn's founder Peter Caddy, which I intend to look up when near a good library. However, a websearch suggests that it was his wife Eileen's first husband who was in MRA, and that this husband's zeal for MRA alienated his wife and drove Eileen into the arms of Peter (who was likewise unimpressed by the organisation).

I have friends who were in MRA and retain some connection, and I remain deeply interested in this subject. Have you any stronger evidence that MRA was always a front, and/or that Buchman compromised his own faith? I am grateful for your efforts.

As on my previous posting, please refer to me as...


Anonymous said...

For those who would like further info on the Amero and its roots - please see use this link -


Dawn said...

I believe Plugged in online was started because of all the calls Focus got regarding movies and other forms of entertainment.

For an alternative website to check out movies I really like

Anonymous said...


Iraq has unveiled plans for the creation of a regional economic and security union for the Middle East explicitly modelled on the European Union.

Official government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh announced the proposal on Tuesday (9 December) in Washington at the Institute of Peace, a US government-linked think-tank, saying that talks on the plan with the country's neighbours were already underway

Informal discussions on "Regional Economic Partnership" have reportedly been launched with Kuwait, Syria and Turkey, though not yet Iran. The aim would also to be to bring on board Jordan and Saudi Arabia and - in a subsequent phase - the Gulf states of Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates, but not Israel.


Anonymous said...


I posted a link regarding the raid of an Ohio food coop a couple days ago, that I would like to give an update on. Doing a very small amount of looking I found

which is the coops page. You can email them through the contact info. This is part of a return email that was received from Katie Stowers the proprieter of the coop, confirming the story.

Dear JD,
Yes, I can confirm that we had armed men in our home on December 1, 2008. They took thousands of dollars worth of beef, lamb, poultry as well as our computers, cell phones and business records. At this point, we have not talked to the press except to confirm what I just told you - we have been putting our energies into restoring our families and our home. Please know that as soon as we have a statement ready for the press, I will send it to you. Thank you for your concern. It is a tremendous blessing to our family. Katie Stowers

For any of those that were interested in what was found regarding this incident.


Anonymous said...

Dear JD,
Thank you for sharing that email. The family is certainly in my thoughts and prayers.

Dear Dawn,
You're so sweet to share these sites for the sake of making better choices in safe entertainment for our families! Thank you for your thoughtfullness. I'm passing these sites on to other families who will very much appreciate the info too.

Bless you,

Anonymous said...

Thanks a bunch, Dawn. What you said helped a lot! I'll listen closely to the one he has and we'll surely talk about those things, especially as he gets older and can understand. He just turned 5. :)


Anonymous said...

Nevada Democratic Party Meeting Opened With Ancient Hindu Mantras

Nevada State Democratic Party
(NSDP) here had its first Hindu invocation today, when acclaimed Hindu statesman, Rajan Zed, recited Gayatri and other ancient Sanskrit mantras at the opening its central committee meet.

Starting with "Om", the mystical syllable containing the universe, which in Hinduism is used to introduce and conclude religious work, Zed read from * Rig-Veda*, the oldest scripture of the world still in common use, dated from around 1,500 BCE. He also delivered from *Brahadaranyakopnisad, Taittiriya Upanisad, *and *Bhagavad-Gita* (Song of the Lord)-all ancient Hindu scriptures.

Rajan Zed ended the prayer with last mantra of *Rig-Veda, *"samani va akutih",* *before concluding with "Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti", which he then translated as "Peace, Peace, Peace be unto all". Attendees repeated "Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti" following him.

Wearing saffron colored attire, a ruddraksh mala (rosary), and traditional sandalpaste tilak (religious mark) on the forehead, Zed, after reciting the original lines in Sanskrit, then read the English translation of the verses. Sanskrit is considered a sacred language in Hinduism and root language of all Indo-European languages. Sam Lieberman, Chair of Nevada State Democratic Party, introduced Rajan Zed.

One of the paragraphs of this Hindu prayer read by Zed in Sanskrit was "Asato ma sad gamaya, Tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, Mrityor mamrtam gamaya", which was translated into English as "Lead me from the unreal to the Real, Lead me from darkness to Light, Lead me from death to immortality."

Rajan Zed read the groundbreaking first Hindu opening prayer in United States Senate in Washington DC last year during its 218 years history. He is one of the panelists for "On Faith", a prestigious interactive conversation on religion produced jointly by Newsweek and He is Spiritual Advisor to the National Association of Interchurch and Interfaith Families, Director of Interfaith Relations of Nevada Clergy Association, President of Universal Society of Hinduism and has been bestowed with "World Interfaith Leader Award". He has been invited by President of European Parliament Hans-Gert Pottering for a meeting next week to discuss Hindu issues and promote interfaith dialogue.

Hinduism, the oldest and third largest religion of the world, has about one billion adherents and moksha (salvation) is its ultimate goal. Invocation is a formal beginning prayer used in calling on God for blessing. The Democratic Party, one of the two major political parties of USA, is the oldest political party in continuous operation in the country and to whom US President-elect Barack Obama belongs.

Copyright © 2008, NewsBlaze, Daily News

Dawn said...

History Maker-

If you are not already aware and your son likes to listen to programs like that, I would like to share some resources.


Mostly good. They have a free program every week. Occasionally they have albums available(wait until there is a sale to purchase). We have stories from the wild west and that is my son's favorite. Word of caution-- listen to cinnamon bear before you let your son. It is a 12 part (or ore) old radio show for Christmas. I can not recommend that one.

Vision Forum produces these now. Doug Phillips is head of that ministry. They may be or at least borderline Dominion Theory. So far I haven't heard any of that in this series.

My daughter want to send them $5 because they talk about Jesus.

We haven't listen to a lot of these but they were highly recommended by a trusted friend.

5) Be very careful of this one and know that the "Down Gilead Lane" series is definitely for older tween and teen listeners.

Happy Homeschooling!!!

Bobbie Morin said...

Thanks Constance and Leana for trying to explain the Greece situation to me.

I must be completely dumb as I'm still not understanding the whole rioting event, times sure must be different or is it a geographic thing.

When I was a 15 year old I mostly cared about how my hair and clothes looked and whether I would pass a test the next day in school. I know I would have not worried about a global economic problem or which schools or universities offered degrees. And I don't think I could have ever gotten angry enough to throw anything, least of all something on fire, at a police officer even though I had my angry moments and was easily influenced by my peers.

Of course I was brought up in the USA, not Greece - and my parents would have had my hide if I were in trouble with the law. So, I guess I just have no frame of reference for the level of violence that is happening there. It's just really sad to watch people treating other people that way - without respect and as if we weren't each created in God's image.

Thank you though for trying.

Anonymous said...


I finally found a link to the original article I had read before.

Here is a quote..

The violence was some of the worst marring a series of student rallies in recent months against the reform drafted by the governing conservatives, which would end a state monopoly on university education.

It also indicates increasing spillover from a series of recent arson attacks by suspected anarchists against banks, tax offices and other government buildings in Athens and Thessaloniki, Greece's second-largest city.

University faculties across Greece were also shut Wednesday as professors staged a 24-hour strike, while state schoolteachers called a series of rolling work stoppages to protest the plans.

Rallies also took place in Thessaloniki and other cities.

The proposed reform — which requires a constitutional amendment — would allow nonprofit private universities to operate fully in Greece for the first time, and the degrees they award would be recognized by the state. The final vote in Parliament is expected in late February.

If approved as expected — the reform is also backed by the main opposition Socialists — the change would come into effect after 2008.

Students and academics claim that bowing to market pressures and ending the state monopoly on tertiary education will lower the standard of education for all and further divert resources from chronically underfunded state universities.

Opponents — who include left-wing opposition parties and labor unions — also fear that additional numbers of university students will reduce the value of state degrees and create a two-tier system.

But government officials say the tuition-free state university system will be little affected by the reform, which will give more students access to a university education at closely supervised — and fee-charging — private institutions.

Hope that helps,

Anonymous said...

To Bobbie (7:24 PM)

Regarding the riots in Greece (or anywhere else) --

Often, there is no "logic" to the rest of us ordinary people. There may be organized groups with a political "agenda" stirring up violence in various parts of the world. It's just a sign of the times -- and also a sign that all of us need to step up our prayers for the entire world.

Anonymous said...

To Dorothy 10:22


"I am inviting readers of this thread to revisit the previous thread where posts have been added to correct Joyce's statements there. There will be more."


Thanks Dorothy for the heads up! Was just over there and it looks like your gig is up!

Your anti-Jesus attitude has gotten a lot of good people down for a long time. I hope the people here will reconsider why they share information on a blog that is DISINFORMATION personified!

Birds of a feather flock together.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous (7:55 PM):

No, you're wrong. Dorothy's "gig" is not up. Your gig is up.

Why don't you just crawl back to the previous thread from which you came? This thread is only for "gorwn ups."

Stop your manipulation of other bloggers by dragging your very childish "fights" over to a new thread.

What are you going to be when you GROW UP???

Anonymous said...

Hi anonymous 8:46

So glad you asked!

"When I grow UPPPPPP!
In a year or two or three
I'll be happy as can be
Like a birdie in the tree

When I grow UPPPPPPP!
There's a lot I want to do
I will have real dollies too
Like the woman in the shoe!

Hehehheh. Thanks for asking. I always wanted to share that.

Anonymous said...


Forgot to sign.

Shirley Temple

Anonymous said...

This is a strange one!

Anonymous said...

The push is coming from all sides for Obama to solve ME crisis:

In the meantime I presume everyone has seen the article that Obama is going to use his middle name Hussein for his swearing in..."to give Muslims a better image".

Hmmmm..could we have predicted all this?

Anonymous said...

To Anon @7:58,

Thanks Dorothy for the headsup! Was just over there and it looks like your gig is up!

Your anti-Jesus attitude has gotten a lot of good people down for a long time....

Well, well. Sweet, soft, cuddly birdie can bite? Apparently so, when another birdie doesn't worship Jesus in the way birdie thinks he should be worshipped, or when he sees a "worm" who doesn't believe in Jesus at all.

Since birdie nests in a higher tree than the rest of us he knows which other birdies are his "vertical equals" and which are just the residents of stumpy little bushes. He sees all things and knows all things. We should listen to birdie and bow before his little songs.

Tweet tweet, birdie.

Constance Cumbey said...

This blogspot is neither for Jesus bashing nor for Jew bashing!


Constance Cumbey said...

That also goes for Catholic bashing and Evangelical bashing. This is not to exclude legitimate analysis of infiltration and misuse of any of the above -- "emergent church", "New Age Judaism", "Centering Prayer," "Thomas Keating," "Basil Pennington," etc., ad nauseum.


Anonymous said...

To Constance:

I know you are really busy at the moment with your law practice and that there are a lot of posts to go through, so I just want to give you a heads up that "Brother Eric" appears to be back (see the previous thread).

He's certainly managed to "stir the sh*t" so to speak.

Anonymous said...

I share your confusion regarding the
Greek riots.
The fact is that the news services which
bring us all the news are all owned by
people who are actively helping to
bring about the New World Order.
All of them, and there are only a
handful to begin with; Reuters, UPI,
AP, and Night-Ridder are all complicit
in the COUP which is the EU.
The following link is a story about it,
but I'd suggest you read the comments
after the article. See what the people say.

Not everyone is fooled by this big
machine of deception.
Our NBC,ABC,CBS and FOX all get
their news from these same sources.

The Party line: Greece has a lousy
economy and that's why everyone is
The truth: Greek people want their
sovereign country back and they don't
want the EU/New World Odor, which
despite all the nice talk, is a
fascist dictatorship.

Nice finds buddy. We're going to have
to call you "scoop".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 12:27
Your comment is weak.
Your attempt at humor? is
a failure. Behind your failed
attempt is an unearned hubris.
You're just not as bright as
you think you are, and you're
not funny at all.

Anonymous said...

paul....maybe he wasnt trying to be funny...

Anonymous said...


It is almost a tradition that presidents have used their middle names at their swearing in, so why wouldn't Obama partake of this tradition. Can we include Muslim-bashing as off limits as well?

Constance Cumbey said...

Oh, Bro Eric! Did the Theosophists he is so obviously networked with give him a 'time out'?


Constance Cumbey said...

I trust we can all do our own research -- I did enough research on Buchman and read enough of his early books to know he was call8ing for "a new golden age" and definitely religious syncretism. That started during Buchman's lifetime -- during his active tenure. I submit that somebody could not have done that innocently with six weeks of Sunday School, let alone 4 years of seminary.

Ditto for Pat Robertson, Doug Coe and others doing the "merging and blending." Buchman, however, was doing it earlier than most.


Constance Cumbey said...

Frank Buchman, founder of MORAL REARMAMENT now known as INITIATIVES OF CHANGE unabashedly called for:

1. One world government
2. Redistribution of world goods

That combined with his obvious syncretism makes it clear that his biblical profile was much closer to that of the prophesied antichrist than it was to Jesus Christ.


Anonymous said...

Anon 8:55 AM

Was your typing EU/New World "Odor" intentional? It gave me a chuckle. Maybe not the first time it's been said here(?), but the first time I've noticed it.


Rudi said...

Thanks Joyce - Reporting news of Barack Hussein Obama's intention to be sworn in using his full name is not Muslim bashing. Certainly his decision is based on tradition, love of country and his dedication to the preservation of our "57 States".
"Not that there's anything wrong with that." -Rudi


"Obama requested to take oath using his middle name 'Hussain'" [sic]

"NEW YORK: Asking the US President-elect to take oath of the office in his full name, Barack Hussain Obama, [sic]
a leading Muslim community leader has said this will help in erasing "Islamophobia" from the minds of people.
Addressing a public meeting after Eid-ul-Zuha prayers here yesterday, Sheik Ubaid has requested US President-elect to take oath of the office using his full name
Barack Hussain Obama [sic] and bury "Islamophobia" in the "cemetery of other social evils."


International Jerusalem Post
"I'll reboot Muslims'US Image"

"Obama promised during his campaign that one of his priorities would be to work to repair America's reputation worldwide, and that one element of that effort would be a speech delivered in a Muslim capital."

"He pledged anew to give such a speech, though he declined to say whether it would happen during his first year in office."

"It's something I intend to follow through on," Obama said in the interview.

"We've got a unique opportunity to reboot America's image around the world and also in the Muslim world in particular. So we need to take advantage of that."


"CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad says the Obama administration should consult with American Muslims on policy issues"

Note: Ronald Reagan & Jimmy Carter were two former US Presidents who did not take the Oath of Office using their middle names.

Anonymous said...

Dear Constance

This is your English caller.

I believe what you say about Frank Buchman, but please would you provide references from his books to explicit calls for religious syncretism, a new golden age, one-world government and redistribution of world goods? I need to convince others, and you (unlike me) presumably have the references at hand.

I am grateful for your hard work.


Anonymous said...

History maker 4:55
That was me, paul.
I forgot to sign my name.
No I didn't make "new world
odor" up. I've heard it in
various places.
It's apropos, though.

Greece=the cradle of democracy
Why would they want to knuckle
under to Javier Solana?
It makes me think of Daniel 8:21,
Daniel 10:21, and especially Daniel
11:2 in which I can't help but
think of how America ( a democratic
republic ) is of the "realm of Grecia"

Bobbie Morin said...

To Anon 8:55 aka Paul, Thank you! The link/article and comments make the rioting so much clearer.

If I understand the true issue, Greece joined the EU and the people have subsequently found it's not a democratic governing body - so, they are rebelling over the loss of their "freedoms" and are angry over the lie pushed on them.


Anonymous said...


Here's some current info. on the Greek chaos spreading to other parts of Europe:

Hope this adds to what Leana and Constance wrote you, previously.


Anonymous said...

Yes I think that's right.
Notice how the rioters have
targeted banks. It's the central
banking system that they're
so angry about.
All central banks (like the US Fed)
lead back to The Central Bank
which is the Bank of England,
which in turn is the
IMF and the BIS and the Crown
and the World Bank. It's all the same
small group of people and the whole
system is owned by a single family;
The Rothschilds.
They quite simply rule the world.

Anonymous said...

No, really, it's really the Paul Haufensteiner family that owns all of the banks in the world. You don't hear about them because it's all behind the scenes. I read a book many years ago that told this secret, only it disappeared six months after being published. I was very lucky to find it. It said in the book that they really like to confuse people, so all of their boy children are named Paul and only their middle initials separate them from each other.

When some of them came over to this country, they thought that the last name sounded too foreign, so they took different last names, but kept the male first name. All of the wives are required to marry a man named Paul.

So things don't get too confused, men accidently named Paul are in great danger because of what this family can do to them. And this is known and the name Paul is dying out for that reason. Somehow people knew instinctively that the name Paul brought great danger.

The Haufensteiner family has a very long history that can be traced back to the Gnostics families in the past. They are really pagans at heart and pretend to believe in Christianity only to confuse people. The book said they do rituals in the dark on the nights of the full moon, so they must be very busy right now doing rituals and working on confusing people who are truly only looking for information about the world around them. Oh they are a very clever lot.

The book said that they have cover occupations such as in the field of music or the arts. They actually can cover up their secret meetings by pretending to be musicians who meet only together in small groups. Anytime anyone comes near they start playing their instruments, so a person can never know what they are discussing.

Because they are so wealthy they have much time to post messages on the computer, and if you know their codes, you can see how they send messages to each other using the fifth letter or is it the eighth letter of every third line of every first paragraph. The book gave that information.

Because I didn't know anyone named Paul and I thought the idea was silly at the time, I misplaced the book, so I can't give you the title. But trust me, the book exists.

I should go into hiding because if they see this post, Paul, having given away their secret and all, I know I am in great danger. But I will be brave and soldier through all of the rough times ahead for me.

I know you really care what is going on, so I thought I would share what I found so that you will know the truth of the banking system in the world. If I find the book someday, I will tell you the rest of the story of the Haufensteiner family. (I think they are New Age so I'll see if I can find which New Age information sources they hang around Paul.)


Anonymous said...

Quote below from “The Creature From Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Yeah, real nice guy Dorothy.

But we know, don't we folks - that to be an anti-Zionist is to be antisemitic. Right Dorothy?

What would you say to these Orthodox Jews then? And why is your orthodoxy different from theirs? Are they wrong and you are right? Oops. I forgot. You're always right.

Anonymous said...

You know NK from their website. I've met and talked with them. I know people who have them living their in their neighborhood. They have nothing to do with the New Age movement. They aren't against having an Israeli state in the future. They just believe it will come when the Messiah is here.


Anonymous said...

You seem confused.
Are you all right?
First you attack me for the
umpteenth time in a most
irrational way, and from two weeks
into the future from this post, no less.
Then you answer yourself with
something about NK, which I had never
heard of until you brought it up.
Oh well.

If you don't want to believe that the
Rothschild family consolidated it's
stranglehold power all across Europe
in the banking field during the last
two centuries, you don't have to.
They did anyway.
If you don't want to believe that the
Rockefellers did the equivalent here
in America in the twentieth century
you don't have to believe that either.
And AIPAC isn't a powerful lobby here
now either. And there is no Freemasonry
and there are no secret societies.

Plus, these people:
Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy,
H.G Wells, Carole Quigley, David
Livingston, Barry Chamish, Barbara
Aho, Dr. John Coleman, Myron Fagan,
Terry Melanson, Dr Anthony Sutton,
Jeffrey Steinberg, Allan B. Jones, Stan
Monteith, Lyndon LaRouche, Ralph
Epperson, Melvin Sickler, John W. Wallace
and yes G. Edward Griffin, to name just
a few of the historians, writers and
thinkers in the English speaking world,
are all wrong.
There is nothing secretive about any of
the secret societies that populate the world
then, right Dorothy ? That seems to be your
point in the rambling overworked metaphor
which was your 11:09 post.

The "anonymous" after that was not me.

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