New Age leader Jeremy Rifkin wrote THE EMERGING ORDER God in the Age of Scarcity (1979). It was co-authored with Ted Howard. The mass paperback Ballantine Epiphany edition had the following Christian endorsements:
- J. Edward Hakes, Dean, Trinity College
- John Bernbaum, Christian College Consortium
- Myron Westphal, Philosophy Department Chairman, Hope College
- Bishop James Armstrong, President, National Council of Churches
- Gilbert Bilezikian, Professor of Bible, Wheaton College
- John W. Alexander, Past President, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship
Interestingly, Rifkin was hailed as a "prophet" for this book that in essence said that a New World Order would be ushered in by a "new Protestant reformation." The Charismatics would supply the "liberating energy." The Evangelicals would supply the new theology and/or "new covenant vision" in the form of a "Stewardship Paradigm" in place of the 'outmoded' "Fall and Dominion" paradigm.
For my personal analysis of Rifkin's theology and works, consult my chapter "A SECRET KINGDOM" in my second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION: THE STAGING OF A NEW AGE MESSIAH. Here is an online link to a free downloadable edition from Internet Archives, org.
I believe based on what I have seen so far that the concerns coming to me from as far away as New Zealand and as close as Pontiac, Michigan are legitimate. Therefore, I'm recommending the viewing and downloading of Andrew Strom's videos. I noticed that his obviously professionally produced documentaries were available without charge and reproduction was urged. I like that! I can't conceive of any legitimate Biblical prophet of old saying "send me $39.95 and I will send you my prophecy video of the month."
Please watch and many thanks to New Zealand and Pontiac, Michigan -- far and near to home, for putting me onto these issues.
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
For my personal analysis of Rifkin's theology and works, consult my chapter "A SECRET KINGDOM" in my second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION: THE STAGING OF A NEW AGE MESSIAH. Here is an online link to a free downloadable edition from Internet Archives, org.
I believe based on what I have seen so far that the concerns coming to me from as far away as New Zealand and as close as Pontiac, Michigan are legitimate. Therefore, I'm recommending the viewing and downloading of Andrew Strom's videos. I noticed that his obviously professionally produced documentaries were available without charge and reproduction was urged. I like that! I can't conceive of any legitimate Biblical prophet of old saying "send me $39.95 and I will send you my prophecy video of the month."
Please watch and many thanks to New Zealand and Pontiac, Michigan -- far and near to home, for putting me onto these issues.
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
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BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Depending on what dictionary you use, there are at least two modern definitions for the word “ecumenism”. When I refer to how Canon Andrew White uses the word, or the World Congress or World Parliament of Religions, or the A.O.C., etc. I am using definition #2.
ec·u·me·nism
(ĕk′yə-mə-nĭz′əm, ĭ-kyo͞o′-)
n.
1. A movement promoting unity among Christian churches or denominations.
2. A movement promoting worldwide unity among religions through greater cooperation and improved understanding.
Wheras the definition of syncretism goes beyond mere cooperation or improvement of relations and refers to a blending or fusion of different faiths/beliefs and/or a mixing of religious practices.
syn·cre·tism
(sĭng′krĭ-tĭz′əm, sĭn′-)
n.
1. Reconciliation or fusion of differing systems of belief, as in philosophy or religion, especially when success is partial or the result is heterogeneous.
2. Linguistics The merging of two or more originally different inflectional forms.
The dangers of syncretism should be obvious to all, while the dangers of ecumenism are much more subtle.
Paul...
But they DO have a pretty logo! Wouldn't that look nice on your smart phone's home screen??? Kinda looks like the AT&T logo. They are BOTH evil. (We have AT&T for cell phone service at work...)
I'll take "Susanna's Definition of Ecumenism" for $100, Alex....
Yes, OMOTS, the dangers of ecumenism are a bit more subtle, but they are less dangerous to the cause of Christ than if we all just sit in our different camps and hurl darts at each other instead of at the real enemy. I think (I hope) you would agree with that, but just sayin'.
A combination of Susanna's definition and #1 of the one you used is what I am hoping to see more of.
I avoid terms the new agers get their hands on. I noticed words such as ecumenism mean something entirely different than their original definition. New age literature sells syncretism while using the word ecumenism. This is probably a necessary cover. Take "fundamentalism" for example. It used to describe adherence to core set of beliefs. Now it is used to describe radicalization and violence. Its best to use more benign terms to avoid confusion.
Here is a relatively short (less than 40 minutes) video that documents the "ecumenism" of the Vatican under Pope John Paul II. The real goal of ecumenism is the establishment of a New World Religion, along with the New World Order, i.e. One World Government ... all under the guise of "world peace." Take the time to watch this ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgSE74uqbI
Susanna,
What do you know of the Lepanto Institute? The founder, Michael Hichborn, was the special guest on "Update Brazil #11" that I mentioned in an earlier post.
I'm trying to learn what I can about the history of how Marxism, Communism, Freemasons, Libertines, and other nefarious characters that oozed out of the darkness of the French Revolution came against the Church, and how they planned to destroy it. A lot of bad things came from that era, and continue to this day, some of which are being cataloged over at the Lepanto Institute.
I'm starting to finally see a diverse bunch of researchers covering some common ground, and running across the same bunch of Bad Guys. The researchers all have in common the preservation of what we hold dear - the best of Western Civilization, which includes the Church, our constitutional and republican form of government; and the belief that the Bible is the basis for all of it.
Speaking of the French Revolution... With all the attention on France lately, it annoys me when I hear our leaders use that phrase "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" (or, "Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity"). This is France's motto, but has its roots in Freemasonic revolutionary thought. It was the basis, was it not, for the Jacobin uprisings against God and King?
Something I've yet to do is to watch Anne Barnhardt's video about the tricolor flag of France, which she says has evil roots as well. Here's a quote from her about that:
"So, the French Flag, the Tricolore, or the three vertical fields of red, white and blue IS THE FLAG OF THE SATANIC FREEMASONIC REVOLUTION. Did you not watch my presentation about the French Revolution and the Vendee Genocide? The Tricolore flag is the flag of the BAD GUYS THAT GENOCIDED THE VENDEE AND TOSSED LIVING BABIES FROM BAYONET TO BAYONET. Oh my gosh. Will you PLEASE stop superimposing the Sacred Heart of Jesus over the Tricolore. It is so blasphemous I can’t even quantify it."
I'm assuming she's talking about how everyone on Facebook made their FB icon have the three colors of France superimposed over their regular icon, in a show of solidarity for the victims of the terrorist attacks and with France. I guess I wouldn't be as hard on people as she is, but it is something I want to look into.
I wish she wouldn't beat around the bush so much, and just come right out and say what she's thinking! :^D
Marko,
I don't know a lot about the Lepanto Institute but what I have been able to learn is that its founder Michael Hichborn is pretty intense when it comes to his mission of defending the Catholic Christian faith and has occasionally been accused - even by Archbishop Charles Chaput - of going over the top with some of his allegations against the "wolves in sheeps clothing" he claims have infiltrated the Catholic Church.
That said, I would add that there is nevertheless much useful information that can be gleaned from Hichborn's articles. It just needs to be carefully vetted just like any other source of information.
Of course Lepanto refers to the famous Battle of Lepanto which took place on October 7, 1571 when a fleet of the Holy League, a coalition of European Catholic maritime states arranged by Pope Pius V, decisively defeated the fleet of the Ottoman Empire on the northern edge of the Gulf of Corinth, off western Greece. It is described by some as "the battle that save the Christian West." It is also regarded by Catholics as miraculous because at the time of the battle, the Catholic fleet was outgunned and outclassed by the Turks.
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Re: I'm trying to learn what I can about the history of how Marxism, Communism, Freemasons, Libertines, and other nefarious characters that oozed out of the darkness of the French Revolution came against the Church, and how they planned to destroy it. A lot of bad things came from that era, and continue to this day, some of which are being cataloged over at the Lepanto Institute.
This is why that era has always been of special interest to me. The "oozing of nefarious characters" out of the darkness of the French Revolution was long in the making. Even before the French Revolution, there was the Fronde which was the revolt of "the grand seigneurs" against the absolute monarchy of the Bourbon kings. A fascinating non-fiction book is THE AFFAIR OF THE POISONS which describes a satanic underground which existed during the reign of Louis XIV. If it hadn't been for the Paris Chief of Police Nicholas de la Reynie who preserved the documents from that particular period of French history, it would have been covered up as Louis XVI demanded and we might know nothing about it.
AFFAIR OF THE POISONS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_Poisons
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Regarding the Communists coming against the Church ... as it is, we know from the late Italian Communist Bella Dodd that the Catholic Church was infiltrated by Communist agents whose assignments were to enter Catholic seminaries and become priests with a view to destroying the Catholic Church from within. In many cases these priests rose to positions of power and influence in the Catholic hierarchy and did a lot of damage to the Church.
Regarding the French Revolution, the counter revolution of the Vendeans against the Jacobins and the "de-Christianization of France" which accompanied the French Revolution is legendary. Some of the peasants were described as marching into battle with their pitchfork in one hand and their Rosary in the other. The term "genocide" is the term used by many to describe what the Jacobins liked to call "establishing the peace" in the Vendee.
WAR IN THE VENDEE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vend%C3%A9e
P.S. Marko, I meant to say "as Louis XIV had demanded" and not "Louis XVI." It was a typo.
Paul,
Just wanted to let you know February 2 is GROUNDHOG DAY!!! :-)
Oooooh...Groundhog's Day
Now I get it.
Susanna, you wrote: The "climate change" scam I have been previously been referring to is another similar case of the Pope being misrepresented.
Pope Francis is not being misrepresented on this subject but is misrepresenting the actual state of affairs. I am willing to believe he is doing it out of ignorance, but he is a highly influential man and he bears responsibility for his words and his appalling choice of advisors on this subject. Clean out those Augean stables!
Physicist
Susanna, others, please review and comment.
It is my understanding that Pontifical Council’s do not speak for the Pope, nor do they establish or change church doctrine. I am not exactly sure what their role is, but I can say that I have major concerns after reading through the PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE document entitled, “TOWARDS REFORMING THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL AND MONETARY SYSTEMS IN THE CONTEXT OF GLOBAL PUBLIC AUTHORITY”.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20111024_nota_en.html#Conclusions
http://tinyurl.com/nksdgxy
I would appreciate hearing comments from the readers here concerning this document, especially in regards to its call for a “Global Authority”, which is explained in the document as essentially supporting increased centralized power within the U.N. framework.
In my view, this, and other “advisory” documents (i.e. “Climate Change”) underscore Pope Francis’ support of the UN 2030 Sustainable Development Agenda.
I also believe that this PCJP document completely misses the point and/or misinterprets the Tower of Babel account as described in Genesis 11:1-9. Such a misinterpretation cannot be attributed to ignorance, and must be considered intentional. It is however, entirely logical in light of what the document promotes.
The PCJP document concludes thus:
“Only a spirit of concord that rises above divisions and conflicts will allow humanity to be authentically one family and to conceive of a new world with the creation of a world public Authority at the service of the common good.”
“By freeing their imagination, humans free their existence. Through an effort of community imagination, it is possible to transform not only institutions but also lifestyles and encourage a better future for all peoples.”
These sentiments are, of course, open to interpretation, yet I could not help but see direct parallels between this PCJP document and the writings of Maurice Strong, Donald Keys, and a host of other Theosophists and occultists who believe(d) as this document suggests, that the “passage” to planetization begins when human beings learn how to, or “evolve” to the point where they can “free their imaginations” in order to create “the world we choose” by pursuing the “common good” as described in a core set of “universal human values” overseen by a “global political Authority”.
It is my opinion that the entire document is anathema to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Physicist,
Re: Pope Francis is not being misrepresented on this subject but is misrepresenting the actual state of affairs.
The following is from THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR which is a secular conservative political magazine.
Special Report
Global Left’s Machiavellian Misrepresentation of the Pope Is Failing
Don’t they know it’s a sin to put words into his mouth?
By Gene J. Koprowski – 6.8.15
......The secular Left’s attempted hijacking of the pope’s environmental encyclical is clearly failing. Instead of Pope “Che”Guevara, their hoped-for environmental revolutionary, the Left is being forced to see the real Pope Francis, apparently for the first time. Based on his public statements thus far, the pope comes down on this issue as a fairly standard preacher on ecology and the environment, very much in the tradition of the church and of his immediate predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict VXI, or St. Francis of Assisi, his papal namesake, for that matter.
“This is not a simple issue, because the protection of creation, ecology, including human ecology, can be discussed with certainty only up to a certain point,” said Francis in a news dispatch from the Catholic News Agency, released this week.
....Apparently, the UN, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and his own officials have never read the pope’s comments on the encyclical, as they completely contradict what they’ve been claiming about him. The Heartland Institute last week paid for a translation of the papal text itself and found the pontiff comes off as rather reasonable on the matter of the environmental encyclical, saying there is a limit to what we currently know about climate change and that the Church’s duty is to speak only what is true, not to hypothesize on matters of science. These are positions with which climate skeptics fully agree, and which the UN and U.S. alarmists ordinarily consider anathema.
“An encyclical, which must be magisterial, must proceed only on the basis of certainties, on things that are certain,” said the pope.
cont
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His Holiness also said the draft of the document he received from his aides contained much that was uncertain and had to be edited out of the final text of the encyclical. Specifically, the encyclical might mention a hypothesis for informational purposes in footnotes, but unproven claims would not be put in the body of the document, he said. This is because the encyclical is “doctrinal and must be certain,” Francis said.
That sort of careful thinking is the opposite of what the global left has triumphantly been attributing to Francis on this issue.
“Pope Francis is calling on the world to take action on global warming,” wrote Jeffrey Sachs, the economist and UN population-control guru, who was invited to speak at a Vatican workshop in April on the environment by Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. “Many conservatives are up in arms. The pope should stick to morality, they say, and not venture into science. But as the climate debate unfolds this year, most of humanity will find Francis’ message compelling. We need both science and morality to reduce the risk to our planet.”
That is nothing if not a Machiavellian misrepresentation of what the pope has said. The unscrupulous Dr. Sachs may not have moral qualms about that, but the world’s 1.3billion Roman Catholics surely would. Many are up in arms, not because of what the pope has actually said but because of the misleading misquotes circulated by Sachs, the General Secretary of the UN, and some of their friends on the pope’s staff, and falsely attributed to the pope. As it turns out, the pope never said he wanted global regulatory action on the environment.......read entire article...
http://spectator.org/articles/62982/global-left%E2%80%99s-machiavellian-misrepresentation-pope-failing
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You are right. The Pope does bear responsibility for his words and his appalling choice of advisors on the subject of climate change.
Like Constance, I do not have direct access to the mind of the Pope, but like you, I am willing to believe that to a certain extent ( i.e. in his choice of advisors especially ) he has been acting out of ignorance, not malice.
In any case, there is no question about it - those "Augean Stables" are long past due for a good cleaning.
Why does anyone continue to feel the need to defend the indefensible, is what I wonder...
Pope Francis is using the Bible as the reason to justify and accept the climate change mandates when he preaches to the entire world. What a huge megaphone broadcasting that terrible message!
That is both wrong in the scientific (physical) and wrong in the spiritual. This is a disgrace, for true science only backs up the Bible, not counter to it, and one would think he would know that, for his faith should be guiding him to stay with the Bible message.
He is a man pleaser in this, not a God pleaser.
How convenient for the global elite to have him on their team.
P.S. Physicist
More to your point, another American Spectator article reads thus:
While the pope’s alleged fondness for debate does not make him heterodox, off-the-cuff remarks that he could make with relative impunity as a bishop in Buenos Aires sometimes create confusion or scandal when broadcast worldwide to the delight of people who’ve made careers out of ignoring the Church.
The pope’s “Who am I to judge?” comment to reporters with him on a plane flight in 2013 was almost nowhere conveyed in context. More recent speculation over whether pets go to heaven also met with unthinking enthusiasm. As religion reporter John Allen has noted, we live now “in a media environment in which everything the pope says and does is a sensation.” In other words, the media does not do “nuance” well. It probably never did, but the stakes are higher now. For that and for the danger posed by his distressingly high approval ratings, Pope Francis also needs all the spiritual support he can get.
http://spectator.org/articles/61369/pope-francis-needs-our-help
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Susanna said:
"The Pope's exact comment about gays was: "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?" "The Pope was not saying that it is OK to be a practicing homosexual. All he is saying is that only God can judge what is in a person's heart."
to which RayB answered:
"As to his exact comment, nowhere does he state, or imply, that he was referring to non-practicing homosexuals. In fact, his statement was interpreted by the homosexual community to mean that he was not going to “judge” homosexuals, or, more explicitly by implication, their sinful behavior. His words were enthusiastically received by homosexuals as evidenced by the fact that he was named “Man of the Year” by a homosexual magazine.
To which Susanna answered:
EXACTLY! As I have already stated, the Pope does not speak English. Therefore, we Catholics in the English-speaking world have to depend on those who translate what he says ( usually from Italian or Spanish ) into English. And those translations are sometimes done by people with malicious ulterior motives whose intention it is to put a liberal spin on everything the Pope says.
First she states that she is quoting EXACTLY what the pope said re: "gays ... who am I go judge." Then she states his statements are subject to "those who translate what he says" due to the fact that the pope doesn't speak English. THEN she claims that there is a "liberal spin" (conspiracy??) on "everything the pope says."
I'm sure the Liberal Spin Machine was at work too when the pope was quoted, on several different occasions, saying "atheists that do good go to heaven." Christ said: "I am way, the truth and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me." John 14:6 "There is no other name under heaven by which man must be saved."
This man is a liar, heretic and usurper.
by their fruits you shall know them...
Keep watching this unfold is all I can say.
There is much bad fruit already ripening, with much more to come.
Ray B,
The EXACT translation I presented was the CORRECT translation:
"If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"
said Pope Francis on his way back to Romefrom the 28th World Youth Day in Brazil.
The only thing that made the headlines was "Who am I to judge?"
Here is what he said IN ITALIAN!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OnXhHPd7UU
My other use of the word EXACTLY was intended to acknowledge a "GOOD POINT" you made. But since you are so obsessed with Pope-bashing, that one slipped right past you.
Nice try, RayB. The only one who is "spinning" here is YOU!
P.S.
The video link I just posted is immediately followed by another entitled
What did Pope Francis REALLY Say? (Homosexuality / Gay Comments, "who am I to judge?", and more!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROAcep60hEg
Why doesn't Pope Francis, or any other christian leader for that matter, just quote the appropriate Scripture for what to answer (any subject!)? Shouldn't all your eggs be in that basket when claiming to believe and follow the LORD?
You can't get a better answer to any question than how God himself answers, plus He has the actual authority to back up what He says. Throughout the Bible there are examples and instances of faith and practice for how to respond to any given anything. There is nothing new under the sun and the whole 66 books God wrote by His Holy Spirit is the Living Word, not a out-dated or dead document.
Why don't they just go straight to the top?
.....are people who think and do such the Lord's "competition" then?.....makes me wonder
Skeptical Climate Documentary Set to Rock UN Climate Summit – ‘Climate Hustle’ To Have Red Carpet Premiere in Paris
By: Marc Morano - Climate DepotNovember 29, 2015
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/29/skeptical-climate-documentary-set-to-rock-un-climate-summit-film-to-have-red-carpet-premiere-in-paris/
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To Anonymous @ 12:30 PM,
You make a very interesting, and valid point. The problem with the RCC is that it is NOT based on the Scriptures, but rather, upon "Scripture" that is simply lifted out of context. This is not unlike what all false religions do. When they do not misuse "Scripture" to validate a doctrine or dogma, they simply rely on their use of non Biblical "Traditions" or, the Magisterium.
For example: take their spin on their version of Mary. Among other things, RCC claims she was conceived sinless, i.e. "The Immaculate Conception" (often confused by non-Catholics to mean the conception of Christ) instituted by Pope Pius IX in 1854. They claim she remained in a sinless state her entire life. They claim that she was "assumed bodily into heaven," (i.e. Assumption of Mary dogma 1950). They claim that she is the "Queen of Heaven" that sits NEXT to the "King" of Heaven Jesus Christ on the throne of God. They claim that dead saints, souls in Purgatory, and the living ALL make petitions to HER, the Queen, who then makes these requests known to the "king,” etc., etc.
I always found it revealing that Peter (RCC falsely claims to be “pope”) wrote, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, two epistles (Epistle of Peter I, II). When reading these epistles, you will not find one single reference made to the Supremacy of the Pope, Office of the Priest, the Cardinals, the Confessional, the Sacrifice of the Mass, the Cup withheld from the Laity, Purgatory, the Rosary, Images, Penance as a system of works, Indulgences, Celibacy, the veneration of Mary, Prayers to “saints,” etc.
For HUNDREDS of YEARS, the Word of God was on Rome’s “List of Forbidden Books.” For 620 years, the Inquisition raged on in Europe with the aid of Catholic Monarchies. During that horror, if one was caught with even fragments of the Word of God (prior to the invention of movable print), believers were tortured and often put to death. Why? Because when one reads the Scriptures, Rome’s lies are easily exposed and their superstitious grip they have on their people melts away!
Susanna,
Regarding Pope Francis and (specifically) climate change, I do not doubt that some people are misrepresenting him, for that is the fate of all prominent figures. But the point is that he is misrepresenting the issue. This can be shown from his own words, for which he bears responsibility even if they are, unhappily, due to accepting bad advice. His encyclical Laudato Si includes these words (from paragraph 23):
It is true that there are other factors (such as volcanic activity, variations in the earth’s orbit and axis, the solar cycle), yet a number of scientific studies indicate that most global warming in recent decades is due to the great concentration of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen oxides and others) released mainly as a result of human activity.
These words simply cannot be squared with the statement you quote that "the pontiff comes off as rather reasonable on the matter of the environmental encyclical, saying there is a limit to what we currently know about climate change and that the Church’s duty is to speak only what is true, not to hypothesize on matters of science" and his own words which you report that "An encyclical, which must be magisterial, must proceed only on the basis of certainties, on things that are certain." For the encyclical goes on to say, in chapter 5 (titled "Lines of approach and action"; paragraphs 169 & 170):
With regard to climate change, the advances have been regrettably few. Reducing greenhouse gases requires honesty, courage and responsibility, above all on the part of those countries which are more powerful and pollute the most. The Conference of the United Nations on Sustainable Development, “Rio+20” (Rio de Janeiro 2012), issued a wide-ranging but ineffectual outcome document. International negotiations cannot make significant progress due to positions taken by countries which place their national interests above the global common good... Some strategies for lowering pollutant gas emissions call for the internationalization of environmental costs, which would risk imposing on countries with fewer resources burdensome commitments to reducing emissions comparable to those of the more industrialized countries. Imposing such measures penalizes those countries most in need of development. A further injustice is perpetrated under the guise of protecting the environment. Here also, the poor end up paying the price. Furthermore, since the effects of climate change will be felt for a long time to come, even if stringent measures are taken now, some countries with scarce resources will require assistance in adapting to the effects already being produced, which affect their economies. In this context, there is a need for common and differentiated responsibilities. As the bishops of Bolivia have stated, “the countries which have benefited from a high degree of industrialization, at the cost of enormous emissions of greenhouse gases, have a greater responsibility for providing a solution to the problems they have caused”.
So in this encyclical Pope Francis says clearly that man-made global warming due to CO2 emissions is a dangerous reality (although it hasn't got warmer for at least years even as Chinese and Indian industrialisation cause CO2 levels to keep rising), and that the West should be forced - like it or not - to pay large sums of money to everybody else as a result.
Pope Francis is a man i'd probably enjoy a drink with (and I can't say that about many Popes) but on this subject I'd have to add these words: No way, Jorge!
Physicist
Physicist,
Re: So in this encyclical Pope Francis says clearly that man-made global warming due to CO2 emissions is a dangerous reality (although it hasn't got warmer for at least years even as Chinese and Indian industrialisation cause CO2 levels to keep rising), and that the West should be forced - like it or not - to pay large sums of money to everybody else as a result.
And there's the rub - regardless of whether or not the Pope's words and actions are being done as a result of a poor prudential judgement.
Looks like my latest attempt at posting a comment ended up in the spam file. Oh well, take two.
Susanna, others, please review and comment.
I understand that Pontifical Council’s do not speak for the Pope, nor do they establish policy or have the authority to change Catholic doctrine. I’m not sure what their role actually is, but I have major concerns after reading through the PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE document entitled, “TOWARDS REFORMING THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL AND MONETARY SYSTEMS IN THE CONTEXT OF GLOBAL PUBLIC AUTHORITY”.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20111024_nota_en.html#Conclusions
http://tinyurl.com/nksdgxy
This particular document calls for a “Global Political Authority”, which is explained in the document as increased centralized power within the U.N. framework. In my view, this, and other advisory documents (i.e. on “Climate Change”) underscore Pope Francis’public support of the UN 2030 Sustainable Development Agenda.
I found it very telling that this PCJP document completely misrepresents the “Tower of Babel” account as described in Genesis 11:1-9. Such a misrepresentation cannot be attributed to ignorance, and must be considered intentional. It is however, entirely logical in light of what the document promotes, which is a GLOBAL POLITICAL AUTHORITY that promises to be BETTER than that ill fated tower constructed with cooperative arrogance on the plain of Shinar thousands of years ago!
The PCJP document concludes thus:
“Only a spirit of concord that rises above divisions and conflicts will allow humanity to be authentically one family and to conceive of a new world with the creation of a world public Authority at the service of the common good.”
“By freeing their imagination, humans free their existence. Through an effort of community imagination, it is possible to transform not only institutions but also lifestyles and encourage a better future for all peoples.”
These closing remarks are certainly open to interpretation, yet I could not help but see direct parallels between the PCJP document and the writings of Bill Johnson, Maurice Strong, Donald Keys, and a host of other Theosophists and occultists who believe(d) as this document suggests, that the “passage to planetization” begins when human beings learn how to, or “evolve” to the point where they can “free their imaginations” in order to create “the world we choose” (become "gods" of this world) by pursuing the “common good” as described in a core set of “universal human values” overseen by a single “global political Authority”.
Any guesses as to who (or what) will empower such an “Authority”?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/30/us-climatechange-summit-pope-idUSKBN0TJ2FY20151130
Hook, line, and sinker.
Benedict XVI’s 2009 Encyclical Caritas in Veritate effectively called for a world government (with a moral agenda that Rome seeks to guide): “there is a need… for a reform of the United Nations organisation… that… can acquire real teeth… there is urgent need of a true world political authority… vested with the effective power to ensure security for all… it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties” (from paragraph 67). John XXIII said the same in his 1963 encyclical Pacem in Terris (paras 137, 144).
Okey it's Amplified, I wasn't wearing my glasses.
No no Amplifield.
MAURICE STRONG, MR. CLIMATE CHANGE, DEAD AT 86
http://tinyurl.com/q7a8n8j
Dave in CA
Well, he didn't get to see the day of his dreams, but my guess is he knows about a lot more about the "warming" climate now.
Hot, even.
Maybe like hell kind of hot.
(sad isn't it?)
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/peter-foster-the-man-who-shaped-the-climate-agenda-in-paris-maurice-strong-leaves-a-complicated-legacy
This caught my eye in the news today. Big money names working together to fund new energy research and development. It sounds a worthy aim but I can't help feeling nervous about this.
The billionaire BIOFUEL club: Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg reveal new group to invest in smart energy firms
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3340178/Bill-Gates-plots-surprise-attack-energy-sector.html#ixzz3t1dcnIqQ
Breakthrough Energy Coalition - the who we are page - http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com/en/who.html
Mission Innovation - http://mission-innovation.net/
~ K ~
Oldmanoftheski,
The author of the article you linked us to is Cardinal Peter Turkson who is president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. I agree with Lord Christopher Monckton that these pontifical academies and bureaucracies have become a significant problem for the Catholic Church. I am not sure what their role actually is either, but Physicist's reference to "Augean Stables" may turn out to have been a valid assessment of what they have become.
As for the idea of a "global authority," just what we need, right?
When said "global authorities" do not degenerate into cesspools of corruption, they usually fail......miserably. The League of Nations is one example. Another example is the UN, which is currently populated by a large number of tin pot dictators from third world socialist crap holes into which first world countries such as the USA have already poured boatloads of money only to see the money going to feed the coffers of corrupt politicians instead of the poor.
It all sounds like cesspools of corruption to me.
The League of Nations (later the UN) has blood on it's hands. Lots of it, and the legacy continues..........
Why would anyone espousing Christian belief want to be in anyway part of helping it 'govern'?
The real fix for it all will be when the Prince of Peace arrives and I long for that day.
Here's the latest from the Climate Change pope. Things have reached the crisis stage as the pope declares "we are at the limits of suicide" as a planet. The climate is going from bad to worse ... as in UGLY. We need to hurry up and form that One World Government (the REAL underlining message).
World headed toward 'suicide' if no climate agreement: Pope
The pope was asked if the U.N. climate summit in Paris would mark a turnaround in the fight against global warming.
"I am not sure, but I can say to you 'now or never'," he said. "Every year the problems are getting worse. We are at the limits. If I may use a strong word I would say that we are at the limits of suicide."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/30/us-climatechange-summit-pope-idUSKBN0TJ2FY20151130#gU7hZbDgDOmYB0o8.97
Some food for thought:
Is China's stand on Climate Change the reason that the Yuan has been admitted into the basket of currencies SDRs?
Just a couple of months ago, it was turned down and suddenly, miraculously China has been approved. This has grave implications for the dollar which has been the world reserve currency. Joan Veon talked about this. Looks like we will see all of the transition as we go into the Presidential election.
Capital controls, and bail ins have become the order of the day, much talk about cashless currencies with Bitcoin as a beta test. Heads up.
This ties in neatly to Patrick Woods, technocracy rising. The younger generation is sadly too busy trying to pay off their student loans to realize that their future has been robbed from beneath their feet.
Dear 11:32pm, China's currency is to be included in the currency basket simply because China now has the world's second largest economy. It got that way by a lot of hard work and learning by its people. If America wants the dollar to remain the world reserve currency then it had better do the same.
Bitcoin is a great way to stiff the banking system, actually, because it can't be controlled. The real threat to cash is central bankers'/politicians' desire to enact negative interest rates, ie steal a percentage of your savings each year. People can prevent that by storing their cash under the mattress, so... abolish cash! THEY are currently discussing that.
"The real fix for it all will be when the Prince of Peace arrives and I long for that day."
"World headed toward 'suicide' if no climate agreement: Pope"
Expect the ET element (the rebel angels) to be included once we reach the saturation point in the world. If this Jesuit Pope is not designated to play a role in welcoming them, then he certainly is laying down the last foundations for it.
Yet another article on the passing of Watermelon Supreme Maurice Strong:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/01/ding-dong-godfather-global-warming-dead/
MUST VIEWING!
The video OCCUPY UNMASKED by Citizen United Productions.
The Occupy Movement was perceived by Andrew Breitbart to be the "organized left." It was also the organized anarchist and New Age elements coming together. Anybody studying the more chaotic elements of the New Age Movement will recognize so very much of it in this important video. I ordered mine from Amazon, but I believe there are multiple places where it can be downloaded on the internet. I haven't checked Youtube, but it is definitely required viewing!
Constance
When I saw the snippet here the other day about Maurice Strong's ghost, I realized I had missed the immediate news of his death. The last account I read, they still had not given a date for his death. I'm continuing to read. I'm sure there was deep mourning at the Paris conference as well as most important New Age centers.
Constance
Well, I just check SPAM after reading OMOTS and Susanna and both of their comments are both back up here! Sorry!
Constance
Pope says fundamentalism is "disease of all religions"
Dear 6:02
True but by establishing the petro dollar and outsourcing all of our manufacturing we gave China the ability to produce cheap products with their slave labor and kill our own capacity. This too was deliberate.
Average Americans didn't decide to do that but the people in the gov't who make policy did.
I still can't find any details about Maurice Strong's death.
No time of death, no place of death and no cause of death.
I think he's flown off to China, to live out his years with the people he's been working for all this time.
If Maurice Strong can't tell a whopper, who can?
Here's some sketchy info on Maurice Strong's obit/funeral?
http://www.lenecrologue.com/obituary/deceased/498599
"No obituary yet..."
Also, a memories page at "Hulse, Playfair & McGarry" funeral home, that was linked to from the obit page:
http://www.hpmcgarry.ca/book-of-memories/2302775/Strong-Maurice/view-candles.php
Satan's good friend the Pope says Christians and Muslims brothers and sisters.
www.nowtheendbegins.com/pope-francis-declares-that-christians-and-muslims-are-brothers-and-sisters/
North Korean bodies on ships:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/30/asia/japan-ghost-ship-north-korea/?iid=ob_article_footer_expansion&iref=obnetwork
I haven't been over to RT lately, but I'll bet there are lots of stories there of how America is responsible for ISIS. You know - it's the brain child of the CIA, or something like that.
Well, when one digs a little deeper than the crap that's spread over there at RT, one can find plenty of reasons to suspect that ISIS is tied more to Russia than to the US.
Tonight on Roku, Cliff Kincaid will talk to someone over at the New American (not my favorite bunch, but occasionally they'll get a good writer on staff) about the "Russian Roots of ISIS".
Go to America's Survival website (http://americasurvival.org), and look for the link to the Roku show.
Tonight at 9PM Eastern.
Marko,
America never deliberately birthed ISIS, but it came out of the mess that was American-run Iraq. What happened was that one of Saddam's sons who was trying to get a huge sum of money out of Iraq was intercepted by a radical, who seized the money. Around that time there was a large and facilitated jailbreak of radicals. THAT was the start of ISIS. The money was then used to buy property near to US bases and administrative centers and to bribe locals working for the USA in those places. It all grew from there. Look hard and you can verify these things.
The USA is often accused of running an empire. If only it had!
http://topinfopost.com/2014/08/08/isis-leader-al-baghdadi-is-a-jewish-mossad-agent-french-reports
LOL
"The USA is often accused of running an empire. If only it had!"
Amen to that!
I still want to hear what Cliff and Christian Gomez will have to say about it.
Do you have the name of the radical who intercepted the money? What are his credentials/history? Who trained him?
Sorry gang, busy days and am in court tomorrow. Too much is now happening to even comprehend -- I've been trying to finish my work on General Vallely and company (Michael Aquino), keep up with my own health issues with my leg.
Query: What has 4 arms and one good leg?
Answer: My husband and I!
Many of the contributions here have been excellent. Sorry I'm behind.
Constance
To 6:23
I saw that disturbing statement purportedly from the current Pope Francis. I was disturbed and revolted by it, particularly concerning his imprimatur for the works of Thomas Merton, one of the favorites of the Theosohists.
I would very much like to hear from Susanna on this one.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/11/30/pope-francis-says-he-is-not-losing-any-sleep-over-vatican-leaks-trial/
or http://tinyurl.com/z75w3oc
Thank you,
Constance
Have you heard about today's TERROR attack (12-2-15) ?? Catch things quickly because the story lines and motives keep changing !!
Three well-prepared suspects dressed in tactical gear and armed with assault weapons, shot up a regional social service center that helped disabled persons around 11:00 a.m. Pacific time. 14 people died; 17 were injured while at a Christmas party at that center. Possibly a pipe bomb was left behind, too.
"Crisis = Opportunity" all the way. President Obama is wanting to do something about our country's mass shooting problem, even if through Executive Order. Liberal media outlets were quick to push Hillary and others wanting more gun control, too.
Truth is a funny thing though, once the name of one of the suspects killed in a shootout with police was revealed and confirmed, suddenly this story that captivated many news outlets for hours started to fade from certain news sources. What looks like terrorism is now going to be repackaged and sold as 'workplace violence'. Why? Because the suspect was an American? No, because the suspect, Syed R. Farook, was a devout Muslim !! He won't fit the agenda...more Americans will now consider owning a gun to protect themselves from homegrown terrorists, and that goes against more gun control and additional Syrian refugees. Somehow, I don't think if the terrorists were white Christian males the story would vanish so quickly.
If you have time, for starters go back and read the news headlines and the comments beneath those headlines at AP (mobile.twitter.com) and Fox (mobile.twitter.com). Obviously, not all Americans are as stupid as the media would like us to be--that is a good thing!
Catherine
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/2/syed-farook-identified-san-bernardino-shooting-sus/
Compare the stories. Just a bout of spontaneous workplace violence by a disgruntled county employee or a WELL-PLANNED TERRORISTIC ATTACK ON A SOFT TARGET??
SBPD Chief Jarrod Burguan on #SanBernardino shooting: "There had to be some amount of planning that went into this."
https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
http://www.wsj.com/articles/active-shooter-reported-in-southern-california-1449085770
Catherine
“Climate change has become one of the gravest challenges humanity is facing,” President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Monday in Le Bourget, France.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/vladimir-putin-climate-change-pledges-russia
Whaaat???
- Trad Cat
Putin doesn't believe his words about climate change. He's trying to get the West to de-industrialise and so weaken itself.
Marko,
That info came from a BBC radio program featuring an interview with a Saudi national who had spied for Britain.
Thanks 7:09am....
Trad Cat:
"“Climate change has become one of the gravest challenges humanity is facing,” President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Monday in Le Bourget, France."
That's because any solution to the "global warming" problem will include drastic measures that will tax an already faltering economy, and the global warming scare had always been about destroying capitalism (and therefore weakening capitalistic countries like the US), and ushering in global redistribution of wealth.
Why would a strategic enemy of the United States (and other Western democracies that value individual freedoms and scoff at collectivism), whether than enemy is Russia, or global government goons, or any other collectivist bunch of power-seekers, want to see capitalism "fail"? Because when a nation becomes weak economically, it becomes weak militarily. You can't build weapons of defense if you are broke.
@Marko:
Well, my surprise was because of the sudden change of Putin's stance on climate change. He always called it a fraud. According to the New York Times article, the UN attendees were also surprised. I think it's bad news as Russia's positive stance gives more weight and legitimacy to the whole climate hoax. Now the UN agenda can be pushed with very little resistance.
By the way, I'm from Hungary (Europe) and I wrote some anon posts before... (I also wrote yesterday but my comments probably ended up in the spam folder)
- Trad Cat
Dear Constance,
My fellow conservative Catholics and I are not happy over many of the irresponsible "off the cuff" statements that have apparently been made recently by Pope Francis - especially with regard to his criticisms of "fundamentalism" where he includes Catholics as well as Protestants.
Unfortunately Pope Francis is not clear in terms of exactly what he means by "fundamentalist."
If, by "fundamentalists" Pope Francis means "radical extremism" such as "Feeneyite/ Traditionalists/Sedevacantists etc." among Catholics........ and "Christian Identity/Manifest Sons of God" types among Protestants, as well as extremists of other non-Christian religious groups, that is one thing, although he could have used a better term that "fundamentalist.".
But if, by "fundamentalist" he means conservative Christians (i.e. conservative Catholics, Orthodox and Evangelicals) who adhere to the essentials of the Christian faith...to traditional faith and morality - especially with regard to abortion, traditional marriage, etc. and are against the socialism that has been fairly recently disguised by the scam known as "climate change," then I do not agree with Pope Francis.
Regarding Thomas Merton, the following article from Catholic Answers reflects what I think of Merton's views which I agree were both progressive and larded heavily with New Age thinking:
CAN YOU TRUST THOMAS MERTON?
Christian Mantras?
I’m going to be a bit critical of Merton’s interest in and writings on Asian philosophy and religion, not because I don’t admire his brilliance, but because his commitment to orthodox Catholicism appears suspiciously attenuated by the end of his life. In the 1969 book Recollections of Thomas Merton’s Last Days in the West, Benedictine monk Br. David Steindl-Rast wrote that Thomas said that he wanted "to become as good a Buddhist as I can." When he flew out of San Francisco for Asia on October 15, 1968, he left with the expectation of religious discovery, as if his monastic life at the Abbey of Gethsemani was a spiritual precursor to the insights he would gain in the East. He wrote in his journal:
cont.
cont.
Joy. We left the ground—I with Christian mantras and a great sense of destiny, of being at last on my true way after years of waiting and wondering and fooling around. . . . May I not come back without having settled the great affair. And found also the great compassion, mahakaruna . . . I am going home, to the home where I have never been in this body. (Asian Journal, 4)
He writes as if his Christianity and his Buddhism had already become enmeshed into a new hybrid religion, with "Christian mantras and a great sense of destiny," and he expresses his desire never to return until he has found mahakaruna, the Buddhist notion of "great compassion." As a Christian, I admire Buddhist mahakaruna, but as a Christian I also know that one need not look beyond Christianity to find it. I wonder—and we shall never know in this life the answer—what "home" Merton was headed for that day in October........read more......
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/can-you-trust-thomas-merton
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The last sentence I quoted refers, of course to Merton's sudden and mysterious death.
While I am here, I would also like to say that I also do not agree with the Pope's recent "off the cuff" remarks he made about climate change while en route to Rome aboard the papal aircraft.
On the site WATTS-UP-WITH-THAT, guest essayist Eric Worrall nailed it when he said:
I wish I had my own plane, though my dream is a little more modest than the Pope’s CO2 belching Alitalia jet.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/01/pope-francis-world-headed-toward-suicide-if-no-climate-agreement/
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http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6995/palestinian-child-sacrifice
"Unfortunately Pope Francis is not clear in terms of exactly what he means by "fundamentalist.""
He is weighing in on the wrong side of many things we hold dear, so
he means you and me, Susanna. Just keep watching. The proof is in that pudding.
8:59am (TradCat):
Do you follow developments in the Czech Republic?
Jeff Nyquist and Allan Dos Santos will be talking to Petr Cibulka, of the "Right Bloc" party. When I've listened to Petr in the past, he seems pretty knowledgeable about what's going on in Europe.
The interview/discussion is tomorrow (Friday morning, 12/4) at 9AM Eastern (US), if the show goes on according to its scheduled time.
Here is the website to listen:
http://tercalivre.com/en/
Update for the time of the show I mentioned above:
It will be Saturday, 5 Dec, 11am Eastern time.
@Marko:
Well, I saw quite a few interviews with Jeff Nyquist before, I also found the last show with Michael Hitchborn (I was familiar with his work with the Lepanto Institute) very edifying. The next show looks very promising, thanks for the link!
Actually I'm more pessimistic about Pope Francis than Susanna. In fact I have found 'The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow' book and this blog via ChurchMilitant.TV, who still seem to tirelessly defend the current pontificate (it's a task that requires a huge and ever growing effort).
http://www.onepeterfive.com/the-pope-who-didnt-like-catholicism/
- TradCat
Anonymous Susanna said...
Regarding Thomas Merton, the following article from Catholic Answers reflects what I think of Merton's views which I agree were both progressive and larded heavily with New Age thinking:
CAN YOU TRUST THOMAS MERTON?
Susanna, thanks for sharing this article. I find it very insightful as to the life and times of Merton, much of which I was unaware.
I get a sense that Merton, for all his life lived as a non-conformist; even as he adapted other thought he then transgressed even that which he embraced?
I think it good to go to the basic teachings of the word that we are not to seek after; how do the heathen worship their gods? embracing things that God had not conceived or chosen, things that our fathers never experienced.
@TradCat:
I'll post this on the current thread as well, but just in case you check here, this is the link to the live show:
http://tercalivre.com/aovivo/
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=960031084033669&id=131874896849296
The Patrons of the Arts in the Vatican Museums posted the above. And yes I know anyone from anywhere can be interested in art, preserving art etc but I find it disturbing that Deepak would be thought of as a "really special guest". Why?
Deepak Chopra Verified account
@DeepakChopra Receiving grace at the #sistinechapel @Vatican_Patrons
Embedded image permalink
Deepak Chopra @DeepakChopra · Dec 3
Amazing spiritual experience, Sistine chapel and pontifical Academy of Sciences! @Vatican_Patrons
He has photo's up on his twitter page.
Hope your leg gets better Constance.
From OZ
Interesting...Canon Andrew White was a recent guest speaker at Bethel church. He and Bill Johnson seemed to have a very close relationship.
http://deceptionbytes.com/cannon-andrew-white-towards-a-one-world-church/
i really find the article helpful
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