Thursday, December 03, 2015

Disturbing New Issues in the Wake of the San Bernadino Shootings

Disturbing Issues in the Wake of the San Bernadino Shootings

Names have been released of the dead shooters yesterday in the San Bernadino massacre of 14 and wouding of many more.  The names are that of an Illinois born Moslem named Syed Farook and his wife Tashfeen Malik.  They are undoubtedly Islamic names.  Syed was 28 and his wife was 27.  They had a 6 month old baby.  They were reportedly, per CNN accounts this morning, "religious."

It has not been characterized so far as "terrorism," but San Bernadino police, also per CNN reports, "have not ruled terrorism out."  Per an article by Michele Hickford Farook had recently taken a month long trip to Saudi Arabia and came back with Tashfeen as his wife.

They left their baby with grandparents, Farook went to his employer's Christmas party and then appeared to be enraged at a co-worker.  He and Tashfeen returned and the rest is very tragic history.

Now, I'm not an Islamic basher, per se.  We have many Moslems in the Detroit metropolitan area and so far the relations between Jews, Christians, and Moslems has been mostly peaceful.  While there have been arguments over Christian presence at Moslem street festivals, there is also peaceful business interaction and even social friendships.  From SE Michigan's large Arabic community, there are large groups of both Christians and Moslems.  The Chaldean community is primarily Catholic, but I've met Chaldean Baptists.  Probably the most agitated of Arabic communities in the Detroit area to my observation are the Palestinians.  I do recall seeing reports of post-911 celebrations in the Dearborn area.  As I recall the celebrants were Palestinian.

Now, the interesting part from my observation -- not of the shooters -- but of the planned "dialogue and reconciliation".  A pleasant appearing fellow appeared on CNN's morning programming within the past half hour of my writing.  He said that he represented the Ahmahdiyya Mosque and they were holding a large prayer service at their San Bernadino mosque this evening (Thursday, December 3, 2015).  He urged everybody to come and pray with them.  I somewhat blinked as I thought I heard him say it was a movement founded by "the Messiah."

I've heard of Sunni Moslems and Shia Moslems.  This was the first I had heard of the Ahmadiyya movement of Moslems.  I decided to do a little research and found much of concern that like other phases of the New Age Movement (a Movement dedicated to eliminating Jews, Christians, and Moslems) was acting in a way that could subtly channel folk into the bottom line of the New Age Movement -- acceptance of  a new "Messiah" who was neither Jesus nor Jewish.

What was the Ahmadiyya Movement about?  The following significant and disturbing material is found in the Wikipedia article on the subject and I quote it here:

Ahmadiyya . . . officially, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community[2] or the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at; . . .  is an Islamic religious movement founded in British India near the end of the 19th century.[3][4] It originated with the life and teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908), who claimed to have fulfilled the prophecies of the world's reformer during the end times, who was to herald the eschaton as predicted in the traditions of variousworld religions and bring about, by peaceful means, the final triumph of Islam as per Islamic prophecy. He claimed that he was the Mujaddid (divine reformer) of the 14th Islamic century, the promised Messiah and Mahdi awaited by Muslims.[5][6][7][8] The adherents of the Ahmadiyya movement are referred to as Ahmadi Muslims or simply Ahmadis.
Ahmadi thought emphasizes the belief that Islam is the final dispensation for humanity as revealed to Muhammad and the necessity of restoring to it its true essence and pristine form, which had been lost through the centuries.[9] Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam’s true and essential teachings as practised by Muhammad and the early Islamic community.[10] Thus, Ahmadis view themselves as leading the revival and peaceful propagation of Islam.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the movement on 23 March 1889 and termed it the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at, sometimes translated as Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Since his death, the community has been led by a number of Caliphs and has expanded to over 200 countries and territories of the world. The Ahmadis were among the earliest Muslim communities to arrive inBritain and other Western countries.[9] Currently, the community is led by its Caliph, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, and is officially estimated to number between 10 and 20 million worldwide.[11][12][13] 

So, the Ahmadiyya Movement stands for a "Messiah," clearly neither Jesus nor Jewish.  It is very interesting to me that it was founded in India at just about the same time that the Theosophists were promulgating very, very similar philosophies and preparing the world to receive a new messiah, although the Theosophical Society originally passed itself off as merely studying comparative religion.

My impressions?  That the California killings could well have been part of a Isis or radicalized equivalent "sleeper cell" and that the New Age slogan of "crisis = opportunity" is also at work.  I'm still researching this, but as Californians were urged to flock to the Mosque for the communal prayer service I suspect it is another diabolical move towards their long awaited "New World Religion" where all say "blessed be thy God" rather than "blessed be My God."

My research in this area will continue and your comments are invited.

Stay tuned!



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Anonymous said...

The Ahmadiyyas are regarded as heretics by both Sunni and Shia and are persecuted as such; Pakistan went to far as to deny that they were Muslims a while ago, to the disgust of Abdus Salam, the late Nobel-prizewinning physicist and Ahmadiyya.

Look up Twelvers and Ismailis too if you want exotic Islamic eschatologies. Twelver Shi'ites comprise the government in Iran.


Anonymous said...

The Islamic prophet Mohammed boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror” (Sahih Bukhari 4/52/220). This is one of the most reliable (sahih) statements (hadiths) that he was recorded by his followers as speaking.

Verses in the Quran from Mohammed’s later years in Medina command Muslims to “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them; seize them, beleaguer them, lie in wait for them in every strategy” (Q9:5), “Fight… until there is no more resistance… and the only faith is in Allah” (Q8:39), “fight the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness” (Q9:123), and “fight those who do not believe in Allah… until they pay tribute… and feel themselves subdued” (Q9:29). The word ‘fight’ is based on the Arabic root qatala, meaning making war on, with intent to kill. As for interpretation, the definitive interpretation for Muslims of these verses is that of Mohammed, who lived out these words as a man of war.

There are also verses calling for peace in the Quran. These came to Mohammed earlier, when he was living in Mecca. (The Quran is not collected in chronological order.) Such contradictions show that the Quran cannot be the word of an omniscient god. Muslims, however, explain that the verses which came to Mohammed later negate the earlier ones (the doctrine of ‘abrogation’, or naskh in Arabic). There is no disagreement among Muslims about this. So the violent verses take priority.

Muslims generally quote to Westerners only the peaceful verses. This practice is an example of taqiyya, or tactical lying. We may be glad that many Muslims prefer to live in peace – something that seems to be lacking today in their own culture – but a peaceable Muslim need only take the Quran more seriously in order to be turned into a violent jihadist.

Please check the Islamic texts for yourself if you don't believe me.

Anonymous said...

Daniel 8:23-25, says:
"And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to a full, a king of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall stand up. 24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by PEACE shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes: but he shall be broken without hand."

( caps are mine )

To me it looks like the "latter time of their kingdom" could very well be the rebirth of the 600 year old Ottoman Empire, which lasted right up until the beginning of WW1.
I'll admit that I've gotten this notion from Shoebat, since I never heard a word about the Ottoman Empire in school, or the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the Angry Moslem Turks in the early part of the 1900's. But It was the Byzantine Christians of the remains of the Roman Empire that the Ottomans conquered when they began to march into Europe, that is, most of Eastern Europe as well as the north of Africa and Spain. It lasted from 1300 to 1908 !
And I wouldn't be surprised if Shoebat is right about the current leader of Turkey who wants to be the new Caliph of the new
Empire. Ertogun is a megalomaniac. He even looks like Hitler!
I think it's also important to realize that Iran is ruled by a class of Turks! Who knew?

RayB said...


Please clarify this statement (made twice in your post):

"So, the Ahmadiyya Movement stands for a "Messiah," clearly neither Jesus nor Jewish."

There is NO true "Messiah" other than Jesus Christ. Why are you referring to "neither Jesus nor Jewish?" It sounds to me as if you are implying that if this movement were looking for a "Jewish messiah" ... that might be OK ... as if to say there is an alternative to Jesus Christ.

The "Messiah" that the majority of Jewish people are looking for is a false messiah, due to the fact that the ONLY Messiah has come, whether they accept Him or not.

Please clarify your statement. I've read it several times and remain unsure as to what exactly you are saying.

Anonymous said...

RayB, the statement does not imply what you say it implies at all.

Anonymous said...

Constance is reporting on Ahmadiyya movement views, obviously not her own.
Don't read what is not there RayB.

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RayB said...

When a statement is made such as "neither Jesus nor Jewish" messiah, it implies that there is a possible, viable choice between the two. Besides that, why would anyone even think that an Islamic religious group would be in search of a "messiah" such as Jesus in the first place? The "Jesus" of Islam is just another "prophet" and is not the "only begotten Son of God."

paul said...

The Jews are currently blinded as to who the Messiah is. God has done this thing, and it is marvelous in our eyes. At a point in the not too distant future the blinders will be taken off. It's important to understand that these blinders are not placed there because of the sin or wickedness of the Jews, it is there in order to let in all the fullness of the Gentiles until the time of the gentiles is up.
Then God himself will take the blinders off and the Jews will look upon him whom they pierced, and they will mourn like it was their own son. They will be saved. The stone that the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.
God is still blessing those who bless the Jews and cursing those who curse the Jews.
And of course even now there is a remnant of Jews who recognize the one and only Savior of the world.
That's how I see it anyway.

RayB said...


You are stating the classic Dispensationalism view, which, although it has been "accepted" by many, is a relatively modern system that gained popularity in this country at the turn of the 20th. century. It began in England, where John Nelson Darby (The Plymouth Brethern) virtually invented the system in the 1850's It took root here in America via the Scofield Reference Bible (which has extensive "notes" on practically every page of the SR bible). Scofield was a devotee of Darby. Dispensationalism's spread in America was also aided by Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody Bible Institute. Originally, Dispensationalism was soundly rejected but gained popularity as time went on. The Pre-Trib "rapture" theory is a direct result of the Dispensationalist system. Hal Lindsey (graduate of Dallas Theo. Sem.) had a huge impact in its spread since the 1970's (Late Great Planet Earth ... largest seller of any religious book for the entire decade of the 70's). Tim LeHaye is also a Dispensationalist (Left Behind series).

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RayB said...

Continued ...

Re: your statement "God is still blessing those who bless the Jews and cursing those who curse the Jews" is from Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

But, what does the Bible say regarding this verse? Please read this carefully: "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL unto Abraham, saying, In these shall all nations be blessed." So then THEY WHICH BE OF FAITH ARE BLESSED WITH FAITHFUL ABRAHAM." Galatians 3:8,9
Also, "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:26

I encourage you to read John 8:31-59. Consider Christ's encounter with the religious Jews: "They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, IF ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." John 9:39 What were Abraham's "works?" "Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness."

There are TWO seeds of "Israel." One is PHYSICAL, the other is SPIRITUAL. With the physical, there is NO inheritance to eternal life merely due to national origin. With the spiritual, this encompasses the NEW "Israel" of God, made up entirely by those that have been born of the Spirit in Christ. When reading the entire epistle of Galatians, it is clear that the promises are made ONLY to those that are in Christ, whether they be Jews or Gentiles.

Paul wrote further in Romans 9:6b -8: "For they are NOT all Israel, which are OF Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

Over and over again, the Sciptures teach of the "remnant" among those of the Old Testament. The "remnant" refers to those that are TRUE believers, which constitute God's spiritual Israel.

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Constance Cumbey said...

Dear Ray,

I'm tired of being either misinterpreted or carelessly read. Clearly we know there is no Messiah other than Jesus. However, the New Age anti-Semitism says exactly what I wrote: Here is a quote from one of the Bailey books (Page 705-706 of the RAYS & THE INITIATIONS). I quoted it in HIDDEN DANGERS as well:

It may interest you to know that the Christ has not
yet decided what type of physical vehicle He will employ
should He take physical form and work definitely upon the
physical plane. He waits to see what nation or group of
nations do the most work, and the most convincing work,
in preparation for His reappearance. He will not, however,
take a Jewish body as He did before, for the Jews have forfeited
that privilege.
The Messiah for Whom they wait ·will
be one of Christ's senior disciples, but it will not be, as
originally intended, the Christ.

The point I was making was the possible Theosophical/New Age intersections and/or exploitation of what was now occurring. That was also tying in with Alice Bailey's warnings that if the world didn't take the necessary steps as dictated by her and the Theosophical world that the world was headed towards a religious war the likes of which the world had never seen.

T hat the Vatican
cease its political scheming, its exploitation of the masses
and its emphasis upon ignorance is as important; that the
mani fold divisions of the Protestant churches be bridged is
imperative. If none of these things happen, humanity is
headed towards a religious war which will make the past
war appear like child's play;
antagonisms and hatreds will
embroil entire populations and the politicians of all the
nations will take full advantage of the situation to precipitate
a war which may well prove the end of humanity.
(Page 545, Externalisation of the Hierarchy, Alice A. Bailey).


Constance Cumbey said...

Paul's very excellent Biblical summary is read in the Bible itself in Zechariah, Chapter 12.


Constance Cumbey said...

For the record, I changed my picture. I thought the one used, the 35 year old Bar Association photo needed updating. The one used is within the past month and is me sitting before my computer. It is a "selfie" for sure, but it is NOT photoshopped and it is me in the present time.


Constance Cumbey said...


Once again, let's please slow down the conversation and try to stay on the issue presented unless you have something very urgent and new and then BE CONCISE and carefully give your source with a manageable link and TINYURL.

Thank you,


Constance Cumbey said...

Again from Wikipedia:

The distinguishing feature of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is their belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, as prophesied by the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Summarising his claim, Ahmad writes: [hide] Part of a series on Islam.
Ahmadiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The point here that some apparently don't yet see is that Ahmadiyya cults are now exploiting the crisis and further that the Ahmadiyya Islamic cult of this claimed messianic figure arose in the same country (India) where Theosophy was building huge world headquarters and in the same time frame (1889). The Theosophists were making extensive tours of all of India. It is my suspicion that there was a work to cultivate Indian Moslems just as there was one to reach Indian Hindus and Buddhists.


Constance Cumbey said...

The Ahmadiyya cult has played an important role in many places. I'm searching my personal library. This I found in my book AN ORIGINAL MAN: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF ELIJAH MUHAMMAD, the founder of the Nation of Islam that Farrakhan heads. It had huge publicity today as a "peace agent" vis a vis the San Bernadino shooting event. This from the Elijah Muhhad biography:

Interestingly, the first significant encounter between African-Americans
and Islam in the twentieth century was initiated by Ahmadiyya missionaries
from the Punjab, a region of what is now Pakistan. Thi Muslim group was
founded in 1889 by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who taught that he was the
promised Mahdi (or messiah) spoken of in Christian and Islamic holy texts.
Though his movement was surrounded by hostile critics and questions of
doctrinal legitimacy, his followers carried his message to different parts of
the world over the next twenty years. In 1918, the Ahmadiyyas split into
two major sects: one believes that Ahmad was, indeed, the awaited savior;
the other relegated him to the status of a great reformer and thus maintained
a tie to orthodox Islam. By the 1920s, the movement had established
cells in various cities in the United States including Chicago, its headquarters,
Detroit, Kansas City, and Cincinnati.13
The American leader, Sufi Mutiur Rahman Bengalee, attempted to
make Ahmadiyya Islam appealing to blacks by emphasizing the premium it
placed on interracial brotherhood and its accessibility to all regardless of

Farrakhan has played interesting roles in many circles including Aryan Nation ones. His people were forming anti-Semitic alliances and were plotting with a combination of racist, anti-semitic, Afrikan Bund, Ku Klux Klan interests to overthrown the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution and divide the US into three sections: "White Aryan Republic", "Republic of New Africa" and ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government) which would be a virtual ghetto. They held unity conferences in Washington, D.C. in the late 1980s and took up a collection there at the Sheraton Hotel in Washington, D.C. for the legal defense of the head of Aryan Nations (Richard Butler), Michigan Ku Klux Klan (Robert Miles) and others charged with sedition and acting out the Turner Diaries. They were acquitted at Fort Smith, Arkansas, a most favorable venue for the defense in that case.


Constance Cumbey said...

This book should be available either online or in major libraries. The reference I quoted is from pages 18-19. There are several other references in that book. I scanned those pages to accurately copy here. The numbers in the quote are footnote/endnotes in that book, AN ORIGINAL MAN.


Constance Cumbey said...

My source, for the record, on the Washington, D.C. meeting was then MichiganState Senator Gregory Kaza who was a newspaper reporter during the 1980s and basically was a "mole" in that meeting. He personally presented me with his materials for which I was most happy to receive as documentation for my own independent observations of the bridge between seemingly disparate interests. At this point Dorothy Margraf and I were doing much joint research on these topics.


Constance Cumbey said...

Yes, the New Agers have recognized the Ahmadiyya Movement of Ghulam
Ahmad as part of the Movement for a very long time. This from my New Age Dictionary

Ghulam Ahmad prophet of the Ahmadiyya Sufi Order in India and Pakistan considered an avatar of Krishna, Messiah. and Mahdi; 1839-1908

This is from the NEW AGE DICTIONARY by Alex Jack, who was also an Editor of East West Journal. It is on page 82.


Constance Cumbey said...

Below is a link I found between the Theosophical Society going back many years and the Ahmadiyya Movement:


Constance Cumbey said...

Now this is getting even murker and forcing me to take a second look at a book I completely rejected because of known duplicity of the author, "Troy Lawrence," a psuedonym for Darrick Evenson. Darrick Evenson wrote a number of books -- a books for Christians against Mormons, a book for Mormons against Christians, he was a Baha'i himself at the same time he pretended to be a Christian writing against the New Age Movement. He wrote a book and induced Huntington House, my publisher to publish it called NEW AGE MESSIAH IDENTIFIED. I found internet references in my archived research files to "Troy Lawrence" identifying Maitreya as being the grandson of the then head of the Ahmadiyya cult. I'm re-reading that book now and will have a real challenge to separate the "wheat from the chaff," but I now think it bears investigation -- something I discounted completely based on my personal experiences with the author.


Constance Cumbey said...

Evenson/Troy Lawrence claimed in that book that he had gained access to the computers of Tara Center and had learned on their computer that the above was fact. That is on page 3 of the introduction to NEW AGE MESSIAH IDENTIFIED.


Constance Cumbey said...

This the Chino, California (San Bernadino County) Mosque where the interfaith service was held tonight for victims of Wednesday shootings in San Bernadino:

The Baitul Hameed Mosque (English: House of the Praiseworthy) is the largest Ahmadiyya Muslim mosque in the Western part of the United States with an area of 19,000 square feet (1,800 m2) sitting on nearly 5 acres (20,000 m2). Initially built in 1989 at a cost of $2.5 million, entirely from donations of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, it is located east of Los Angeles in Chino, California, just inside San Bernardino County. The San Gabriel Mountains provide a beautiful backdrop to this Spanish-inspired mosque with modern amenities. In 2003, an electrical fire caused heavy damage to the front building which was used for library and office space, as well as a kitchen. The affected areas were demolished, and rebuilt with a second story. In addition, a separate auxiliary hall was built adjacent to the existing Tahir Hall, for the exclusive use of Lajna Imaillah. The reconstructed mosque opened again for full use in August, 2009. A separate commercial kitchen and missionary residence / guest house are also on site. Plans are now underway for the construction of a NCAA sized basketball court with space allocated in the back lot.

Constance Cumbey said...

The mosque Syed Farook attended was Dar Al Uloom Al Islamiyah and it is in San Bernadino. It is apparently a much smaller mosque/community than the near by Ahmadiyya Mosque in Chino. I do not presently know if Syed Farook had contact with the Chino Ahmadiyya Mosque or not. But the Chino Ahmadiyya community has certainly benefited from the events -- they had extensive publicity today on CNN which was what I originally viewed that got me up very quickly and to my computers.


paul said...

I know that there are many who eshew the Dispensationist view, but that doesn't make it wrong. To me the Dispensationalist
view is more of a discovery than an invention. To me it only makes sense and nothing makes sense without it. It's obvious that
God had one covenant with Adam and Eve before they sinned, and that something very basic changed after they sinned. And God had an agreement, or covenant, or contract, with mankind before the flood, which was updated and rewritten after the flood.
And His covenant with mankind became more specific at Abraham and still more specific at Jacob, where we see the beginning of Judaism. And obviously it was codified and spelled out exactly at Moses; how to worship, have sins forgiven, and how to have any communication with the One true God.
But God has never changed. Each progressive step of the way has shown us all the provisions he has made in order for us to be forgiven for our sinfulness which we inherited from Adam and Eve. God in no way overlooks sin. God does not forgive us our sins unless we make all the proscribed sacrifices. Jesus didn't change that fact at all. Jesus told us clearly that he came into the world, not to do away with the Law but to fulfill it. And that's exactly what he did; He is/was the sacrificial lamb. He is/was the scapegoat. He is/was the ram of consecration. He is/was the very Word of God. He even tells us specifically that in this time, our sacrifices consist of a contrite heart, thanksgiving and praise; that is, sacrifices of the heart and soul.
Dispensationalism is just a word to describe these progressive covenants between mankind and the one true God. Dispensationalism is not invented, it's discovered.

Anonymous said...

It is true that God keeps his covenants with those he has made covenants with, and that he would presumably have behaved differently toward them otherwise. But if that is all dispensationalism is, why is it controversial? Is extra stuff smuggled into the package? I note that the covenant with Abraham and his descendants was not with the whole of mankind and that there was no new covenant with Jacob.

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Constance Cumbey said...

Nobody has anything to say or add about the Ahmadiyya Movement? Or the San Bernadino killings and possible USA terror cell? The FBI has surrounded a house for several hours here in the Detroit metropolitan area.

Let's try staying on topic!


Constance Cumbey said...

It looks very much to me as though Alice Bailey's threatened/promised world religious war may be in full swing progress.


Susanna said...


The Traditionalist School, which the late Carrie Tomko and I used to refer to as the "right wing" of the New Age Movement has been using Islam - especially Sufism - as one of its public faces. This os where ties may be found vis a vis Ahmadiyya - especially as it relates to Rene Guenon.

Rene Guenon functioned as a "bishop" in the gnostic church founded in the late 1800's by by Jules Doinel before becoming a Muslim. Guenon retained many of his theosophical interests after his "conversion" - especially those that relkated to Hinduism.

Shaykh Abd al Wahid Pallavicini was born in Milan in 1926. He converted to Islam on 7 January 1951, taking the Islamic name of the French metaphysician René Guénon after the latter’s death in Cairo.

After living for many years in the East, in 1980 he received authorisation, in his capacity as teacher (shaykh), to organise an autonomous branch of the Islamic confraternity Ahmadiyya Idrisiyyah Shadhiliyyah in Europe. In 1986 the Italian Islamic Cultural Centre, the body that at present administers the mosque in Rome, designated him as the person with responsibility for interfaith dialogue, especially with regard to Christianity. He has continued to be active in Christian Muslim dialogue for many years and has published widely.

Check out Mark Sedgewick's book......

Against the Modern World: Traditionalism and the Secret Intellectual History of the Twentieth Century

Constance Cumbey said...


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!


Marko said...

@TradCat (and anyone else wanting to hear "Update Brazil" - Nyquist and Dos Santos talking with Petr Cibulka about the goings on in Central Europe):

This is the link to the live show:

RayB said...

The coming One World Religion will be based on the LIE that "God" has many names and many paths. If this doesn't sound "New Age" ... what does?

“Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Jehovah, Allah. These are all names employed to describe an entity that is distinctly the same across the world. For centuries, blood has been needlessly shed because of the desire to segregate our faiths. This, however, should be the very concept which unites us as people, as nations, and as a world bound by faith. Together, we can bring about an unprecedented age of peace, all we need to achieve such a state is respect each others beliefs, for we are all children of God regardless of the name we choose to address him by. We can accomplish miraculous things in the world by merging our faiths, and the time for such a movement is now."
- "pope" Francis, July 21, 2015

RayB said...

edit above ...

"... many paths leading to the same "God."

RayB said...

Most professing Christians are not even aware of what this system actually teaches, nor do they realize that it is in direct conflict with historical, orthodox doctrine. When John Nelson Darby came up with this system, he declared that he had uncovered "truths that had been hidden from the church for 1600 years."

For a true Biblical examination of Dispensationalism, here is a link to a free copy of an online book by highly respected Christian author William Cox:

PS: as a young believer (35 years ago) that was attending a Dispensationalist/pre-trib rapture church, I noticed that Matthew 24 clearly taught that the "rapture" occurred AFTER the tribulation. I made an appointment to discuss this with my Pastor; what he said during our meeting shocked me. He said: "I agree with you. That is exactly what it is saying. However, the book of Matthew was not written to Christians, it was written to and for the Jews." This pastor was a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. I found later that his views were NOT the exception ... but the rule for Dispensationalists. To this day, I continue to be amazed as to how anyone could believe such utter nonsense.

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paul said...

Anon@8:49 and Christine,
Of course stuff is smuggled in with the package. Anything outside the Holy Spirit is not scripture. I am not
all that familiar with Thomas Darby but I know he was a human. Other than that he produced a very clear
translation of the entire Bible in the mid 1800's, which I read and have a copy of. But I put Darby in that
small class of Bible scholars who run off the rails at some point, I believe it's God's doing, because the
focus should be on the Word of God and not: Darby / Schofield / Helen G. White / Mary Baker Eddie /
Joseph Smith / George Lamsa / or anyone, much less gnostic Freemasons like Charles Taze Russell
and whatever from hell the skinheads read; ( the ones that can read ).
It makes it simple for me; I read the KJV and get used to the vernacular of ye Olde Englishe, and never
mind the secret society crap.
That's all I know of Dispensationalism. I'm sure I don't follow Darby himself. In fact I think that I probably
added about three dispensations to what Darby had in mind.
So...But I'm not off the rails.

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much for majoring in the minors RayB and Christine :(

Thanks, Paul for just saying what is right to be said.
The Spirit gives discernment to each who ask of Him and that sure works fine for me, and you too apparently, Paul.
Perhaps these others just need to be extra sure for themselves (so much more "right") and would be good to just leave the rest of us out of it.
RayB how about you and Chritine go over to her blog and have a your continued discussion there?
Also Ms Erikson can write her own book about the physics of heaven like Bill Johnson did.
There problem solved.
The blog can return to the topic of this thread.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

Barbara Marx Hubbard wrote in The Book of Co-creation that part of the new order’s agenda is the killing of half the world’s population. She described this one-half as a “defective disconnection”, a corrupting force which prevents the social body from evolving into a new species. She offered comforting words for her new age readers: that this one-half targeted for extinction are terrorists.

The Alliance of Civilizations is the vehicle which is the central organ of the UN’s global counter-terrorism strategy. It’s been accepted by most nations including the United States. I am expecting an intensified war against terrorism which is sure to incorporate the “shared security” doctrine which I wrote about in the last thread. Anyone holding an “exclusivist” religious belief (such as John 14:6) should expect to fall within the AoC’s definition of radicalized or terrorist.

The use of biometrics to combat terrorism was discussed at an AoC counter-terrorism conference. Things are really heating up fast. Since the AoC was formed to straighten out the clash of civilizations between the west and the Muslim world and since the AoC places full blame for the clash upon the west, I am expecting this war to be especially hostile towards anything that even remotely resembles Christianity. They are equally hostile towards Judaism.

Anonymous said...

They've got it goin' on in their big initiatives.........

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Anonymous said...

Constance -

Sir Muhammed Zafrullah Khan was an Ahmadi. His name is on your letter from Donald Keys.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Association UK has been based on Gressenhall Road, London, UK since the 1920s. "Sir Chaudhry Muhammad Zafrullah Khan, the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan and President of the UN General Assembly, lived on the site for many years." Page 2 of this PDF -

"Sir Zafarullah Khan's father was Ch. Nasrullah Khan who was the leading attorney of his native city of Daska and a companion of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founder of the Ahmadiyya Community.

Chaudhry Sir Muhammad Zafarullah Khan, KCSI (6 February 1893 – 1 September 1985) was one of the leading Founding Fathers of modern Pakistan, politician, statesman, diplomat, international jurist, and a prominent writer of the Ahmadis. He is known for drafting the Pakistan Resolution, being the first foreign minister of Pakistan, for his eloquent representation of Pakistan and the Palestinians at the United Nations, and for being the first Ahmadi, Asian and only Pakistani president for both the UN General Assembly and also the International Court of Justice.

He was a delegate in 1930, 1931, and 1932 to the Round Table Conferences on Indian reforms in London, England. In 1931–1932 he was president of the Muslim League, and he sat on the British Viceroy's Executive Council as its member from 1935 to 1941. He led the Indian delegation to the League of Nations in 1939, and from 1941 to 1947 he served as a judge of the Federal Court of India."

~ K ~

Rich Peterson - Medford said...


It requires no re-definition. It is everyone who rejects the new age that Hubbard is referring to as terrorists so Christians and Jews are included in the definition. Hubbard's words of comfort--those whom she refers to as "dearly beloveds" are the new agers. She attempts to sooth and comfort them that they need not worry about the killings taking place; that they are not responsible for carrying out the act they only need to sanction it. I believe I have screen clippings of these pages posted online. I will locate and post them for you.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

The Alliance of Civilizations has plans for the media.

- Reporters are to be accountable to a journalist review board.

- Reporters who wish to cover areas related to cross cultural tensions must be accredited by the board.

- AoC-produced op-ed pieces are to be distributed enabling the media to properly report on cross cultural tensions.

As I write this I’m thinking most of the media in the US will have little trouble making this adjustment.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...


Here is a blog post from awhile ago which has several scanned pages from Hubbard's book. If you click on each of the pages they should expand and become readable.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...


Take a look at the bios of speakers link posted by Anon 8:09 PM.

Cristina Gallach caught my attention.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

redefinition - terrorist normally means armed radicals of any category or a political move like some revolutionary groups slinging bombs. redefine would be to
anyone opposing new age the former defined as peace, therefore opposition defined as terrorist.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

This an interesting link defining hate speech from the AoC site. Thanks Anon 8:09 for the post.

Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights broadly defines hate speech as any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence. The U.S. outlaws speech intended to and likely to provoke imminent lawless action — a very high threshold. The legal bar is much lower in most countries, resulting in bans on homophobia, racism, blasphemy, religious defamation and a range of other speech and thought crimes.

Religion as source and target of hate

Conflict is bound to arise when different groups express mutually exclusive claims to truth and believe salvation to be on the line. For this reason, religion and hateful or offensive speech often overlap in complicated ways. We see Christians slamming Mormons for following a “false prophet,” Jews attacking Hindus for worshipping multiple deities, and Buddhists persecuting Muslims for not conforming. We also see hatred within religions: Sunnis vs. Shiites, ultra-Orthodox vs. Reform Jews, Protestants vs. Catholics. Then there’s hatred exchanged on other belief grounds: fundamentalists denying rights to LGBT people; “New Atheists” lampooning believers of any stripe. These inter- and intra-religious tensions often result in faith-based hate speech, even if religion is just one factor in a broader conflict over resources, culture, politics or other fault lines.

Anonymous said...

You are welcome, Rich.

Anonymous said...

An interesting video on YouTube - A brief listing of Sir Khan's various roles, followed by Khan's statement of what he, an Ahmadi, believed.

Starts about 50 seconds in -

From the Ahmadi website - "Ahmadi Muslims hold the unique belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) survived the crucifixion and travelled towards India to continue his ministry among the Lost Tribes of Israel ..."

~ K ~

paul said...

If I'm not mistaken, the Amadyya movement includes the Wahabist sect
of Islam which in turn includes the "Whirling Dervishes" who spin their heads
around until they find themselves in a trance, which trance could probably be
better described as temporary brain damage.
They, of all the sects of Islam, don't strictly follow the Koran but prefer a more
mystical magical ( New Age? ) approach.
But, again, I think it was Shoebat that pointed out that the Wahabists are the ones
who will most likely pull together the various sects of Islam under the Neo Ottoman
Empire flag, as well as assuage the fears of the average westerner, to whom them
don't appear to be violent.
Maybe someday soon we'll get to see Hillery doing the Dervish. She's essentially
doing it now.

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Rich Peterson - Medford said...

The below are excerpts from a blog called Jihad of the Pen. It explains the Ahmadiyya Muslim’s prophetic expectations. Essentially, our antichrist is their expected messiah.

Al-Masih ad-Dajjal - Masih (false) ad-Dajjal (Messiah)

Refutation: The Anti-Christ of the Latter Days (al-Masih al-Dajjal)

The Promised Messiahas said that “the sun of Islam will rise in full bloom.” This is in accordance to one of the Traditions of the Holy Prophetsa that “in the latter days, the sun shall rise from the West.”[42] We know that scientifically, the sun can only rise from the East, so what does this prophecy mean? It means that the sun of Islam will rise in the West among the Christian nations until they the majority of them accepts the true peaceful Islam as represented by al-Jama’ah al-Islamiyyah al-Ahmadiyyah (the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community), as it says in the Qur’an:

“He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.” (Surah al-Saff, Chapter 61, Verse 10)

At the time of the Prophet Muhammadsa, there were only five religions in the general vicinity of Arabia where Islam was established, namely; Christianity, Judaism, the paganism of Mecca, the religion of the Sabians, and Zoroastrianism. If there were only five religions then how could it be that in the time of the Prophet Muhammadsa, Islam would prevail over all other religions and not just five? This proves, that in this day and age, when the Dajjal has been creating assistants such as the television, telephone and internet, the Muslims are now truly integrated with the followers of all other faiths in the world. So it would seem fitting that this is the time when Islam would prevail over all other religions and the Dajjal would be crushed in subservience to the Promised Messiahas. This is also supported by a prophecy of the Qur’an that one day mankind will be united as a global village by use of the internet, telephone etc:

Through “Love for All, Hatred for None,” the peaceful message of the pristine Islam as revived through Ahmadiyyat will one day encompass the hearts of the majority of the world, and no one will be able to stop this ongoing process. This also refers to the Promised Messiah’sas “breaking of the Cross” (one of the signs of the Promised Messiah in the Ahadith) ie. Christianity (its present form being the Dajjal) through rational arguments, and peaceful exhortation. The Ahmadi Muslims’ belief of Jesus having never died on the cross destroys the base upon which Christianity is founded as Paul in the Bible states that “if Jesus had not died on the cross, then our faith is void and in vain.” The destruction of the Dajjal through rational arguments is in itself in accordance with the Ahadith, as the Prophet Muhammadsa said that:

“If the Dajjal makes his appearance and I am in your midst, I will overpower him with arguments; and if he appears and I am not in your midst, everyone should argue with him.”[62]

“So when he makes his appearance and I am in your midst, I will overpower him with arguments on behalf of every Muslim; but if he appears after me, everyone should argue with him on their own behalf.”[63]

Marko said...

Fascinating stuff, Rich. I've always wanted to see an in-depth study of the proposal that Christianity's Antichrist would come from the Islamic faith.

I never really bought into fully the idea that he would be from some kind of "revived European/Roman empire", no matter what Jack VanImpe says. :^)

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Rich Peterson - Medford said...


As I read through this I continually thought of the Alice Bailey strategy that “the Moslem faith has served its purpose and all true Moslems await the coming of the Imam Mahdi who will lead them to light and to spiritual victory; the Christian faith also has served its purpose; its Founder seeks to bring a new Gospel and a new message that will enlighten all men everywhere”

I read a book years ago, “The Dialogue Among Civilizations”, published by the Toda Institute. The material was primarily focused on reconciliation of Buddhism and Islam. The materials also continually pointed to Israel as being a terrorist state and as being the root of the world's problems.

Here is a link that summarizes the dialogue

oldmanoftheski said...

It's not the sects within Islam, or on the fringes of Islam, that are of greatest concern. It's Islam itself. Europe is about to come apart at the seams, as prophesied, and it is Islam that is the knife.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...


very good article, whatever biases agendas of that site or of any links on it, this encapsulates what I've known of history of islam, the Koran and what I've read in many places the past couple of years on the hadiths and ideologies.

one might wonder why degenerate elites would back islam? ah, but there is a big loophole in shariah. depending on the school of shariah in charge, you need three or usually FOUR adult male muslim eyewitnesses or confession by the perpetrator to get a conviction on anything. THAT MEANS THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR WAYS WITHOUT FEAR. who would do haram with anti haram witnesses around? typically, TYPICALLY a rape victim who complains is stoned for adultery or fornication (jailed at least or flogged). why? because the victim's word isn't good enough, forensics are not allowed generally, and without witnesses that the act complained of was forced, the COMPLAINT IS A CONFESSION TO SEXUAL SIN, so absent confession by the accused or statement by witnesses to the act itself, the victim is a confessed perpetrator. The use of interest is haram, but can probably be gotten around by receiving ownership in whatever is lent to with interest equal or MORE guaranteed as the income share of the lender.

Anonymous said...


I'm confused, how does rape relate to article oldmanoftheski's posted?

Marko said...

Gates of Vienna is a great site. It has chosen it's name well, historically speaking. It's too bad the US does not have something corresponding.

Anonymous said...

1:19 AM,
She has posted these points about Islamic sects (and any other person(s) or religion(s), etc) before, redundantly, so we get it about how rotten it is from within to the without. I think we already know these things, but she isn't sure we know enough about these slants on topics. It seems by now that the more she goes there, that she is fascinated by deviant sex and all the gory details so she keeps those words and variants of them, in front of everyone every chance she gets.
Generally speaking and for the most part, it is easier to just skip her posts, rather than trying to stomach them.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
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Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

oh, by the way, the operation is usually done without anesthesia.

Anonymous said...

Oh, ok anon 1:47 PM

Her posts seem so disjointed I have difficulty following how they relate to the topics even with additional explanations.

Anonymous said...

See, 2:05 PM? She has to go there to drive home her point, when we already get the point.
We know how bad it is, but she wants to rub the blogs face in her "knowledge of the worst" she can find to write about. So in that case, as they say, you are what you think about and focus upon. Not hard to see how she's occupied is it?

Susanna said...

Dear Constance,

Besides being a leading European Muslim, Pallavacini, whom I mentioned earlier as receiving authorization to organise an autonomous branch of the Islamic confraternity Ahmadiyya Idrisiyyah Shadhiliyyah in Europe,is also one of the leading faces of Sufism in Europe.

Pallavicini was converted to Islam at the hands of Titus Burkhardt, another prominent member of the pagan/gnostic/syncretistic "Traditionalist School" I have previously mentioned.

Burkhardt was a contemporary, friend and close associate of Frithjof Schuon – a leading exponent of traditionalist thought in the twentieth century –and the two spent their early school days together in Basel around the time of the First World War. This was the beginning of an intimate friendship and harmonious intellectual and spiritual relationship that was to last a lifetime....

If the connection of Pallavacini and Burkhardt to Julius Evola nd his "political traditionalism" is sinister, it is because of Evola's Nietzscheanism and dabbling in black magic.

Shaykh Abd Al-Wahid Pallavicini’s conversion to Islam

Shaykh Abd Al-Wahid Pallavicini, as a young man, was so well-versed in Rene Guenon’s teachings that he was inspired to seek out Julius Evola, editor of the Italian translations of Guenon’s books. In 1946, in Rome, Evola understood the Shaykh’s search to be purely spiritual rather than political and pointed out in the direction of Titus Burkhardt. Evola and Burkhardt had been in correspondence before the war.

Titus Burkhardt, known by the Muslim name Ibrahim, lived in Bern and was among the first Europeans to convert to Islam because of the works of Rene Guenon. On January 7, 1951, at the age of 25, Shaykh Pallavicini came to Islam at the hands of Sidi Ibrahim himself. Sidi Ibrahim Burkhardt gave him the name Abd al-Wahid, Servant of the Only One, as a tribute to Abd al-Wahid Yahya Rene Guenon, whose writings Burkhardt could see, had inspired Shaykh Pallavicini’s conversion to Islam. Only Later did the Shaykh come to know that Rene Guenon had passed away in Cairo on the exact same day as his conversion.

This sign was clearly a reminder that the inheritance of a standard Islamic name could become associated with a spiritual legacy whereby the faithful continuation and implementation of Guenon’s work would be embodied. This was not a succession, a term which Guenon never recognised in those who arbitrarily used it, but an entrance into the current of wisdom that had guided the great French metaphysician. Hence carried along by this same current Shaykh Pallavicini entered the Alawiyah, an Islamic brotherhood with a branch in Lausanne, through one of its European representatives who had corresponded with Guenon. more....

Western Sufism and Traditionalism
Here is an excellent article by Mark Sedgwick.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

ano 2:05 my posts are never disjointed, they are filling in the details left out by other posts or articles. if you read the article and the other post here on islam and hadiths you would not be so puzzled. my posts get to the guts of issues you miss otherwise. yes I have gone over my limit but this is dead serious. meanwhile, as a blogger I know THOUSANDS visit who do not post so don't think yourselves the only ones here.

Anonymous said...

Ok, then, the other posts neglected to mention rape and female genital mutilation so you filled in the gaps. Much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Susanna, Craig and a number of others who post, share usable and important details to fill in the right blanks on topics here.
Christine finds those posters boring to read (has outright said so) so she lavishes her posts with sensationalisms that overwhelm the topic and what it's focus should be. (leaving confusion in her wake and often bore us too death or just leave folks disgusted).
Skipping her 'stuff' is the best way not to get tangled in her web.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

the issue is that all the depraved personal behavior of elites and even their economic actions that are haram can be continued with impugnity under shariah's limits on prosecution, and all such will escalate among the rest of the population for the same reason, and no help for dhimmis against muslims who do so.

that is why elites can foment Islamic jihad without worrying. you would think from Islam's public image they would fear, but they know what most of us don't.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Christine for framing your words differently. That makes much more sense to me.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 4:00

what is wrong with your brain that what I spelled out before, mentioning their personal and economic actions, had to be rephrased? Even the fact of shariah's requirements for successful prosecution of ANYTHING should set you thinking of the likely results of ANY possible accusation.

"A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished." prov. 22:3 ask God for wisdom that includes being able to think as far ahead as half of a football maneuver. or whatever your sport is. I am not as good at this as I should be, I am very bad at chess. (disjointed? no. an example of seeing the implications and potentiality of a set of arrangements and taking appropriate action, when playing chess.) thinking big picture and systems how components interact or COULD interact in the right circumstances, etc. is not new age, its a tool they hijacked. An important thing to understand about islam is that justice and peace do not mean what our dictionaries say. justice is supremacy of islam, oppression is lack of same. peace is supremacy of islam.

Anonymous said...


It is your brain which translates to pen that is the problem. Rape and genital mutilation in the context of these posts made no sense.

You obviously have a mental problem Christine and from what I see other posters are well aware of it.

I've been reading past posts and I see the blog's owner has restricted your posts because they are incoherent ramblings. Is that right?

Anonymous said...

Anyway Christine, you can have the last word. It will dissipate into air as far as I'm concerned. I am just a visitor here and don't intend to count myself among the "thousands" of visitors you refer to.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

did you read the article? the likelihood of Islamic conquest of Europe and don't doubt it they will be bringing jihad in here with their refugees the same way. the issue is what shariah WHICH WILL BE THE LAW OF THE LAND AND ENFORCED IF CONQUEST SUCCEEDS and this is how it deals with this and indeed ANYTHING. this land will become far more of a criminal evil whatever you call it cesspool than now, and some things now criminal will be legal or even mandated. That includes killing your kids who dare to refuse an arranged marriage. that includes chronic submissive behavior around muslims. that includes no church bells or whatever that muslims can notice and be offended by. you think its bad now you just wait. the tolerance shown in the middle east in the past was the result of concessions of convenience and finance. Indeed, the muslims at one point were refusing conversions because they wanted to keep the tax money flowing in. (which shows how nominal, in name only, the Christians and Jews were.) this sort of thing is what salafists (wahabbism and ISIS
are examples of this) consider corruption and would not tolerate.

Anonymous said...

The devil is in the details!
And certain someones just seem to enjoy in sharing of those details too. ;)

Susanna said...

Dear Constance,

Here is something I thought you would DEFINITELY want to see.

The "Messiah" being referred to by Ahmadiyya is Krishna!

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who is the founder of Ahmadiyya claimed to be "the second coming of Krishna." Similar to Maitreya!

[Link Between Islam and Hinduism - Part II] - The re-advent of Krishna

Here is the link to the Ahmadiyyah website given at the aforementioned link.

Al Islam
The Official Website of the Ahmahdiyyah Muslim Community

Claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the Mujaddid (revivor of Islam) of the 14th Islamic century, the promised Messiah (“Second Coming of Christ”) and Mahdi whom the Muslims were awaiting. He claimed to be a prophet within Islam albeit whose prophethood was a reflection of Muhammad and not independent of him.

He also claimed to have appeared in the likeness of Krishna and that his advent fulfilled certain prophecies found in Hindu scriptures (though he held Krishna to be a prophet of God and a human being, rather than God or an incarnation of God).

His claims were accepted by tens of thousands of his time but he was opposed and not accepted by the majority of the mainstream Muslims of his time
......

Ahmadiyya and Other Faiths

Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the fulfilment of the prophecy of appearance of the Maitreya Buddha, a future Buddha who is believed to usher in an age of peace and security.

It may be noted that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself wrote in his famous book, "Jesus in India" that the Maitreya Buddha was in fact Jesus Christ, who according to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, travelled to India, Kashmir and Tibet (predominantly Buddhist regions at the time) to preach to the local Jews who had migrated there and converted to religions other than that of Judaism (Buddhism, Hinduism etc.)

Ghulam Ahmad stated that he was the 'Reflection of All Prophets' and he regarded Siddharta Gautama Buddha as a Prophet. Also, quite similar to the Ahmadi belief in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Messiah (stated above), it seems that Jesus acts as a 'door' through which Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the (metaphorical) Second Coming of Jesus also the Maitreya. This is because as Jesus was the Jewish Messiah and also the Maitreya according to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that he had fulfilled the Second Coming of Jesus and in turn, thus, he had also fulfilled the Second Comings of the Maitreya.

Looks like Maitreya is on the move and is "evolving."

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

Old Man of the Sky,

The article you posted is a very interesting read. The EU and United States' open border policies have led me to believe a very deliberate attempt to invoke a "clash of civilizations" is underway. The article also expressed this thought.


After I mentioned the Dialogue Among Civilizations which covers Buddhist-Islam reconciliation, I had wondered about Hindu-Islam reconciliation. Your post is timely.

Anonymous said...


I've come across a free book, The Ahmadiyya Movement: British-Jewish Connections.

Author - Bashir Ahmad MA, Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy, USA.

Publisher - Abdur Rashid, Islamic Study Forum. 1st Edition 1994.

Bashir makes strong claims that the Ahmadis were founded as a political move by the British Government to neutralise tensions in India. Chapter 1 mentions Blavatsky in India and hints at a Freemasonry connection. It's a lengthy book and I've only just dipped in and don't know the credibility of the author or publisher.

Is anyone familiar with this book? Does it ring true?

~ K ~

Anonymous said...

Ooops, sorry, here's the link to the book -

~ K ~

Anonymous said...

EU is going to bring millions of Muslims in and try to control the anti-Semitism. Meanwhile, the right wing politicians are gaining ground.

The war of religions is in full swing, being stoked by the architects of multi-culturism to bring in the NWO.

Anonymous said...

another terrorist attack in London

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

if you examine the Nazi background of the EU and how it matches exactly to the old Nazi plan for organizing Europe, then another game is in play. not as simple as clash of civilizations, but using it.

let the right wing and Europe for Europeans and closet Nazi power build up to where it can face down a threat.

bring in the threat.

the soon radicalized population joins the skinhead etc. and other uprising.

threat is eradicated.

Nazis back in power.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Here we go again 22% of the comments are from Christine.
Time to leave.

Anonymous said...

Does Christine ever agree with anything or anyone? It's like she's a spider watching its web, waiting to tear into the next person who posts. I guess this is good since she does know everything about everything.

oldmanoftheski said...

I write extensively about the correlation between wolves and men on my own blog page. I post the following brief opinion here because I think the information is relevant to the current discussion, and provides additional insight into the times we are living in.

From my perspective, many seemingly diverse threads are converging, or coming together.

Consider these facts:

The global population (2011) estimate is that there are 1.6 billion adherents of Islam comprising over 22% of the world’s population. Factor in migration and very high birthrates and the muslim population specifically in Europe is expected to double or even triple over the next ten years. In Great Britain alone, the muslim population has experienced a 75% increase over the past decade, and is expected to grow from an estimated 5 million to 26 million by mid-century. There are already more mosques in the UK then there are churches.

Beginning in the 1990’s, due largely to green influenced government policies, gray wolf range also began to expand rapidly into many parts of Europe, including France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Scandinavia, etc. Our own once limited population of gray wolves here in North America has also expanded exponentially with their current range now including well over half of the U.S.

In my extensive research on wolves, I found some historical references indicating that the population of these opportunistic predators spikes just before, and during, times of war and widespread famine. Author and researcher Will Graves documented how wolves decimated the Russian peasant population especially during periods of social upheaval in his book “Woves in Russia- Anxiety through the Ages”.

Consider this little known piece of information uncovered by one WWI researcher:

“In the winter of 1916-1917, the Eastern Front stretched for more than a thousand miles from the Baltic Sea in the north to the Black Sea in the south. During that winter, half-starved Russian wolves converged on both the German and Russian lines in the northern part of the front in the Vilnius-Minsk region. As their desperation increased beyond their fear of humans, the wolves started attacking individuals but were soon attacking groups of soldiers so viciously and often that something had to be done. The soldiers tried poisoning them, shooting them with their rifles and machine guns and even using grenades against them, but the large and powerful Russian wolves were so hungry, fresh wolf packs simply replaced those that were killed.”

“The situation grew so severe that the Russian and German soldiers convinced their commanders to allow temporary truce negotiations to enable them to deal with the animals more effectively. Once the terms were worked out, the fighting stopped and the two sides discussed how to resolve the situation. Finally, a coordinated effort was made and gradually the packs were rounded up. Hundreds of wolves were killed during the process while the rest scattered, leaving the area once and for all to the humans. The problem was solved, the truce was called off and the soldiers got back to killing each other properly.”


So my question(s) to the readers of this blog: Are these two factors- the rise of Islam and the concomitant expansion of gray wolves- related, and are they an indication of God’s soon coming judgment?

My answer is archived here:

Anonymous said...

"It's like she's a spider watching its web, waiting to tear into the next person who posts."

It's like a spider watching somebody else's web, actually (Constance's).

Susanna said...


Have you ever read the "Jesus Goes East" material which is included in the "lost years of Jesus" myths? Especially the material by Nicholas Natovich and Levi Dowling?

Nicolas Notovitch, 1887

In 1887, a Russian war correspondent, Nicolas Notovitch claimed that while at the Hemis Monastery in Ladakh, he had learned of the document "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men" - Isa being the Arabic name of Jesus in Islam. Notovitch's story, with a translated text of the "Life of Saint Issa," was published in French in 1894 as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ (Unknown Life of Jesus Christ).

Notovitch's writings were immediately controversial and Max Müller stated that either the monks at the monastery had deceived Notovitch (or played a joke on him), or he had fabricated the evidence. Muller then wrote to the monastery at Hemis and the head lama replied that there had been no Western visitor at the monastery in the past fifteen years and there were no documents related to Notovitch's story.[35] J. Archibald Douglas then visited Hemis monastery and interviewed the head lama who stated that Notovitch had never been there. Indologist Leopold von Schroeder called Notovitch's story a "big fat lie". Wilhelm Schneemelcher states that Notovich's accounts were soon exposed as fabrications, and that to date no one has even had a glimpse at the manuscripts Notovitch claims to have had.

Notovich responded to claims to defend himself. But once his story had been re-examined by historians - some even questioning his existence, it is claimed that Notovitch confessed to having fabricated the evidence. Bart D. Ehrman states that "Today there is not a single recognized scholar on the planet who has any doubts about the matter. The entire story was invented by Notovitch, who earned a good deal of money and a substantial amount of notoriety for his hoax". However, others deny that Notovich ever accepted the accusations against him - that his account was a forgery, etc.

"Notovitch responded publicly by announcing his existence, along with the names of people he met on his travels in Kashmir and Ladakh. . . . He also offered to return to Tibet in company of recognized orientalists to verify the authenticity of the verses contained in his compilation. In the French journal La Paix, he affirmed his belief in the Orthodox Church, and advised his detractors to restrict themselves to the simple issue of the existence of the Buddhist scrolls at Hemis."

Although he was not impressed with his story, Sir Francis Younghusband recalls his meeting with Nicolas Notovitch near Skardu, not long after Notovitch had left Hemis monastery.

Levi H. Dowling, 1908

Main article: The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ

In 1908, Levi H. Dowling published the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ which he claimed was channeled to him from the "Akashic Records" as the true story of the life of Jesus, including "the 'lost' eighteen years silent in the New Testament." The narrative follows the young Jesus across India, Tibet, Persia, Assyria, Greece and Egypt. Dowling's work was later used by Holger Kersten who combined it with elements derived from other sources such as the Ahmadiyya beliefs.


Susanna said...


Notovich was a contemporary of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.


.....In 1899 Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (founder of Ahmadiyya who claimed to be the "second coming of Krishna") wrote Jesus in India (published in 1908) and claimed that Jesus had traveled to India after surviving crucifixion, but specifically disagreed with Notovitch that Jesus had gone to India before crucifixion.

Other authors have taken these themes and incorporated it into their own works. For example, in her book "The Lost Years of Jesus: Documentary Evidence of Jesus' 17-Year Journey to the East", Elizabeth Clare Prophet asserts that Buddhist manuscripts provide evidence that Jesus traveled to India, Nepal, Ladakh and Tibet. In his book Jesus Lived in India, German author Holger Kersten promoted the ideas of Nicolas Notovich and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Gerald O'Collins classified Kersten's work as the repackaging of the same stories. In his 2002 comedic novel Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal, absurdist author Christopher Moore parodies the notion that between the ages of 15 and 30, Jesus traveled to Tibet to study Buddhism in a monastery (after first having traveled to Afghanistan), then to India to study Hinduism. entire article..

We are hearing a great deal lately about the re-establishment of the "Caliphate."
Check out the following.

Ahmadiyya Caliphate

From the Amahdiyya website.......

Re-Institution of Khilafat
Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khan
Al-Nahl, Spring 1995

The current "Caliph" is Mirza Masroor Ahmad who is currently leading the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from London.



Susanna said...


I am a little skeptical about the so-called "non-political" nature of Sufi orders and Ahmadiyya movement. In a "theocracy," religion and politics are often one and the same.


Though non-political, some Sufi orders and the Ahmadiyya movement define themselves as caliphates. Their leaders are thus commonly referred to as khalifas (caliphs).

Sufi caliphates

In Sufism, tariqas (orders) are led by spiritual leaders (khilafah ruhaniyyah), the main khalifas, who nominate local khalifas to organize zaouias.

Sufi caliphates are not necessarily hereditary. Khalifas are aimed to serve the silsilah in relation to spiritual responsibilities and to propagate the teachings of the tariqa.

Ahmadiyya Caliphate (1908-present)

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is an Islamic revivalist movement founded in 1889 by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India, who claimed to be the promised Messiah and Mahdi, awaited by Muslims. He also claimed to be a prophet, subordinate to Islamic prophet Muhammad. After his death in 1908, his first successor, Maulvi Hakeem Noor-ud-Din became the caliph of the community and assumed the title of Khalifatul Masih (Successor or Caliph of the Messiah).

Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Ahmadiyya Caliphate established after the passing of the community's founder is the re-establishment of the Rashidun Caliphate. The community continues to operate under this structure, with the caliph having overall authority for all religious and organizational matters. According to Ahmadis, it is not essential for a caliph to be the head of a state rather the religious and organizational importance of the caliph is emphasized. It is above all a spiritual office, with the purpose to uphold, strengthen, spread the teachings of Islam and maintain the high spiritual and moral standards within the global community established by Muhammad. If a caliph does happen to bear governmental authority as a head of state, it is incidental and subsidiary in relation to his overall function as a caliph which is applicable to believers transnationally and not limited to one particular state or political entity.

After Hakeem Noor-ud-Din, the first caliph, the title of the Ahmadiyya caliph continued under Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad, whose era lasted for over 50 years. Following him were Mirza Nasir Ahmad and then Mirza Tahir Ahmad who were third and fourth caliphs respectively. The current caliph is Mirza Masroor Ahmad, who lives in London with a following of 10 to 20 million in around 200 countries and territories of the world.

Marko said...


Fascinating comments! We have seen some wolves around here for the first time in my life (northern Indiana).

The question you asked in the 2012 post at your blog is a good one: "Has anyone else noticed that at the very same time the elites of the world are struggling to enact global unity and conformity schemes, divisions and conflicts are on the rise?"

This seeming contradiction, for me, is what causes a lot of arguing among those who like to guess about where things are heading. I still haven't come to any definite conclusion.

Will the wars come first, and then an attempt to build the New Age / New World Order from the ashes? Or will it all happen concurrently?

Of what importance are the Alice Bailey teachings, and Theosophy, and Barbara Marx Hubbard, and the Armageddon script to what lies ahead? And, likewise, of what importance is the resurgence of the totalitarian powers of the East - China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea, and the twilight/suicide of the West? How do these all tie together? Or do they?

Susanna has come closest, I think, to a coherent view that synthesizes it all - the former bunch listed above is the religious arm of the New Age Movement, and the latter bunch is the political arm. But I would tweak that to say that the arms are both of the same beast - Satan - who will do whatever is necessary to destroy the Church and God's people, and they don't always have to be "working together". The New Age is a vehicle for Satan's use, but not the only vehicle.

Lots to think about these days.

Susanna said...


Paradoxical Legacies of the Militant Mystics

by Khaleb Khazari-El

Other Islamic tendencies with ethics of peace and universalism are meeting with repression in the growing atmosphere of intolerance. In January 2004, the government of Bangladesh banned all publications of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat, an unorthodox Islamic sect—one day before the deadline of an ultimatum by fundamentalists to declare the sect "non-Muslim." The demands came from the Islami Oikya Jote (IOJ), a partner in the government's ruling coalition, and its affiliated Hifazate Khatme Nabuwat Andolon (HKNA), fundamentalist organizations that consider the Ahmadiyya movement heretical. Abdul Awal of Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat Bangladesh, said: "We are shocked. The government has bowed down to religious terrorists." IOJ/HKNA calls for Ahmadiyya mosques to be shut down, and is accused of contributing to an atmosphere of terror. On Oct. 8, 1999, a time bomb exploded at the Ahmadiyya mosque in Nirala during Friday juma prayers, leaving seven worshippers dead and 27 injured. Sale, publication, distribution and posession of Ahmadiyya literature was banned under the new decree. "The ban was imposed in view of objectionable materials in such [Ahmadiyya] publications which hurt or might hurt the sentiments of the majority Muslim population of Bangladesh," said a Home Ministry press release—although the government stopped short of actually declaring the Ahmadiyyas "non-Muslims."

The Ahmadiyyas are regarded as heretics by orthodox Islam because they believe their founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was a prophet—contradicting the orthodox dogma that Mohammed was last prophet. Additionally, their teachings see links to other faiths, rather than rejecting them as mere infidelity. Ahmadiyyas hold that the Lost Tribes of Israel are the contemporary Afghans (Pashtuns), and that Jesus survived the crucifixion, resumed his ministry after escaping to the East and is buried in Srinagar, Kashmir. Like the medieval Chishtis, they also view the Hindu Vedas as divine scriptures, seeing a concordance between many Vedic and Koranic verses. Their spiritual leader Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, fourth successor to their prophet, died in 2003 in London, where he had been exiled since in 1984 because of government persecution in his native Pakistan.
read more.......

RayB said...

Interesting, historic unedited video regarding the reading of the Koran along with lengthy Islamic prayers at the Vatican:

It's amazing to me how those in here rant about Islam and its connection to the New Age Movement, while being completely silent regarding the Vatican's complicity with the Satanic lie that is Islam.

RayB said...

I posted this before ... and not ONE single person commented on it:

The coming One World Religion will be based on the LIE that "God" has many names and many paths. If this doesn't sound "New Age" ... what does?

“Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Jehovah, Allah. These are all names employed to describe an entity that is distinctly the same across the world. For centuries, blood has been needlessly shed because of the desire to segregate our faiths. This, however, should be the very concept which unites us as people, as nations, and as a world bound by faith. Together, we can bring about an unprecedented age of peace, all we need to achieve such a state is respect each others beliefs, for we are all children of God regardless of the name we choose to address him by. We can accomplish miraculous things in the world by merging our faiths, and the time for such a movement is now."

- "pope" Francis, July 21, 2015

No one wants to comment on this ... I will ... this statement by "pope" Francis is another example that this man is a deceiver. His statement is nothing short of Christ denying blasphemy.

Susanna said...

The Following is from Centers For Apologetics Research (CFAR).

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

A.K.A. "Ahmadi"

Founder: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908)

Current Leader: Mirza Masroor Ahmad (1950-)

Place of Founding: Qadian, Punjab, India (1889)

Headquarters: London, England

Related Organizations: include Islam International Publications; Tahir Foundation

Books: include The Holy Quran: Arabic Text with English Translation, Commentary and Comprehensive Introduction; Invitation to Ahmadiyyat; Christianity: A Journey from Facts to Fiction

Periodicals: include The Muslim Sunrise; Review of Religions; Ahmadiyya Gazette; Al Hilal

Broadcasts:Muslim Television Ahmadiyya (MTA)

Distinctive Beliefs: Ahmadiyya founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to supersede Muhammad as the final prophet of Islam, which has caused the Ahmadiyya Muslims to be branded as heretics by both Sunni and Shiite Islam and has led to serious persecution over the years. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad also claimed to be Jesus Christ in His second advent. The group claims that Jesus survived his crucifixion and died in Kashmir, India, where He is buried.

Controversies: Mainstram Muslims do not consider the Ahmadiyyas to be true Muslims. They have been seriously persecuted in Pakistan and elsewhere. The Ahmadiyya movement is known for its program of translating the Quran from the original Arabic into a variety of other languages (a practice discouraged by mainstream Islam).

Additional Commentary: Muslim apologist Ahmed Deedat (1918-2005), who publicly debated evangelical apologist Josh McDowell on the subject of Christ’s crucifixion in 1981, was an adherent of Ahmadiyya. (Dr. Anis Shorrosh also debated Deedat on "The Qur’an or the Bible: Which Is God’s Word?" — see resource links below)

read more......

Another thing I found is that Ouspensky, who was a disciple of G.I. Gurdjieff, had pretty much the same view of Jesus Christ as the Ahmadiyya.

Anonymous said...

Pope Francis is definitely sending the new age message to coexist.

All of this dovetails nicely with new age religious and new age political aspirations.
We woke up in a global world quite a while back there, but the fruit of it has come right along, is ripening very quickly now.
Much of the world is either still dozing or just apathetic, or in compliance.
Swimming against the current is getting harder and harder so those who know they cannot coexist in this global world designed without the One True God of the Bible are marginalized and openly persecuted but Jesus said: the servant is not greater than his lord. So be it.....
The lines are drawn more concise with each passing day and the final valley of decision is straight ahead.

Susanna said...

During my research into Ahmadiyya, my big question had to do with how involved they are with Islamic jihad and terrorism. The Ahmadiyya branch of Islam claims to be a "peaceful" religion......but don't they all?

The following is an Ahmadi spokesman whom Pamela Geller accuses of lying and hypocrisy just this past August 28, 2015 at Breitbart.

Ahmadi Muslim Spokesman: Muhammad Would Have Hated ISIS’s Persecution of Christians

Pamela Geller, Breitbart: Ahmadi Muslim Spokesman Lies Again

By Pamela Geller on August 29, 2015

The following is an interesting Muslim anti-Ahmadiyya website. Ahmadiyya is also referred to as "Qadianyya:"

Welcome to Anti Ahmadiyya Qadianyya Site

Why I Left America to Train in Jihad Under an Islamic Caliphate

Posted: 08/20/2015

........So how do I plan to wage my Jihad under the flag of this caliphate? And what exactly is Jihad?

Unlike what religious extremists will have you believe through the eyes of the western media, Jihad is not synonymous with violence. Jihad literally means to struggle, and refers to the battle against one's inner temptations. It appeals to the purification of the soul, in ridding oneself of corrupt and selfish desires, and spending one's energies towards selfless service. Prophet Muhammad described this spiritual fight as the Greater Jihad.

Under the Khalifa's guidance, the Ahmadiyya Muslim community undertakes this Jihad by leading humanitarian efforts throughout the world. The community runs schools to impart secular education, hospitals to treat the sick, and welfare projects to provide food, water and employment opportunities across the developing world. It has a whole organization -- Humanity First -- dedicated to its growing charity work, which caters to all humanity regardless of their religion.

As I recall, Marxists, socialists and communists have successfully infiltrated many of the cultural and religious institutions of this country a la Antonio Gramsci while using the mantra of "peace."

But as the Bible has said:

And they healed the breach of the daughter of my people disgracefully, saying: Peace, peace: and there was no peace. Jeremiah 6:14

Susanna said...

Denmark: “moderate” Ahmadiyya Muslims behind new political party refused to answer simple questions
January 9, 2015 , by Nicolai Sennels

Susanna said...

San Bernardino Terrorist’s Father: My Son Was ‘Obsessed’ With Israel

.....A closer look at Syed Farook’s statement that “Israel is not to be fought with weapons but with politics” may indicate support for the general worldview of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood advocates the use of politics and nonviolent means to defeat Israel and the West and to create an Islamic more...

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"RayB said...
I posted this before ... and not ONE single person commented on it"

I think that those who weren't stunned into shocked silence were silent because it is so self evidently apostasy that no comment is needed.

Susanna said...

San Bernardino Killer’s Family Had Radical Connections

Susanna said...

Pamela Geller: If Loretta Lynch Wants to Ban ‘Violent Talk,’ She Should Ban the Quran

Anonymous said...

"Of what importance are the Alice Bailey teachings, and Theosophy, and Barbara Marx Hubbard, and the Armageddon script to what lies ahead? And, likewise, of what importance is the resurgence of the totalitarian powers of the East - China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea, and the twilight/suicide of the West? ... the former bunch listed above is the religious arm of the New Age Movement, and the latter bunch is the political arm."

Marko, Iran is run as a branch of Islam (Shia) and, without disputing that Islam is of the evil one, Islam is NOT New Age. You can make it so only by widening the already wide meaning of "New Age" so wide as to be meaningless.

Susanna said...


Here is an article that you might find particularly interesting.



Susanna said...

P.S. Marko,

Islam proper may not be part of the New Age Movement, but Sufism, which is the gnosticised esoteric form of Islam IS. G.I. Gurdjieff was heavily involved in Sufism and after his death, the Sufis claimed him as one of theirs and/or claimed that the teaching he brought is really Sufism in disguise. According to his principles and instructions, Gurdjieff's method for awakening one's consciousness unites the methods of the fakir, monk or yogi, and thus referred to it as the "Fourth Way".

Gurdjieff, Sufism & Mohammed

Ever since Mr. Gurdjieff's death, sufis have claimed him as one of theirs. Either that or claimed that the teaching he brought is really Sufism in disguise. Parallels between Sufism and the ancient teaching of The Fourth Way can be pointed out, of course, certain of his dances, music and perhaps some practices. No one reading the first two series of his Legominism, All & Everything, could doubt his familiarity with and respect for Mohammed, Islam and Sufism. But does that make Gurdjieff a Sufi?

Gurdjieff is a Christian. But not of contemporary vintage. He often made fun of contemporary Christianity. The Orthodox, he said, had retained at least something, but Roman Catholicism had degenerated entirely. He held that Jesus Christ was not the only divine messenger to the planet, which would of course exempt Gurdjieff's adhering to the Nicene Creed. Still, in even a casual look at his life, his 'Christianity' is so obvious as make one wonder why it would remain a question. Gurdjieff was baptized a Christian, educated by Russian Orthodox priests and at his death services were conducted at his request in the Russian Orthodox Church in Paris by a Russian priest....


According to Mark Sedgwick, Russian "Traditionalism" ( "Traditionalism" being the "right wing of the New Age Movement" ) began with Gurdjieff.

Marko said...


The link above for Gramscian Approach is incomplete. I tried searching for the title and author but to no avail. Could you repost?


Susanna said...

The following article explains that the reason Guenon "converted" to one of the recognized religions - namely, Islam - was to put his principles into practice with a view to showing that in terms of his quest for the esoteric truth that transcends religious differences (i.e. the "gnosis"), one religion was as good as another for purposes of serving as a "gateway" to the "gnosis."


.....In order to put Guénon’s principles into practice, most of the Traditionalists joined one of the recognised religions, interpreting his critique as requiring an orthodox exoteric practice. Only that, they say, can provide a firm foundation for the higher flights of esotericism that many desire, but for which few are qualified. According to Federico González, the most faithful interpreter of Guénon in the Spanish language, Schuon’s influence betrayed the Perennial Philosophy by turning it into a Perennial Religion. Be that as it may, Schuon, Burckhardt, and Lings followed Guénon’s example by becoming Muslims. Those who remained within Christianity chose the Russian or Greek Orthodox churches, or isolated themselves on the extreme wing of traditional Catholicism.......

It is likely that Rama Coomaraswamy, a son of Traditionalist School co-founder Ananda Coomaraswamy became involved with the extreme wing of traditionbalist Catholicism for the same reason. That Rama was trying to conflate the Traditionalist Roman Catholicism which originated with Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre with the pagan gnostic Traditionalist School was exposed by the late Carrie Tomko whose expose appeared in the LaFloch Report.

Coomaraswamy was involved with not only the Traditionalist Catholic movement, but also with Perennialism (also called "Traditionalism") whose main exponents were René Guénon, Ananda Coomaraswamy (Rama's father) and Frithjof Schuon. He was a member of the Foundation for Traditional Studies and was a regular contributor to the foundation's journal Sophia.

William Stoddart and Mateus Soares de Azevedo discuss Coomaraswamy's double involvement in an article for the Canadian journal Sacred Web (No. 18, 2007). The topic was also covered by a blogger, Carrie Tomko, specializing in investigation of the occult infiltration of Catholicism, and picked up by, among others, J. Christopher Pryor, a Lefebvrist who operates the Perennialism LeFloch Report. Interestingly, Rama Coomaraswamy had never broken away from Perennialism and propagating it, along with Frithjof Schuon and Coomaraswamy's own perennialist disciple, William H. Kennedy, even when he was associated with Lefebvre's seminary.

Susanna said...


Try this. If it doesn't work let me know and I will send you the link via e-mail.



Anonymous said...

"Islam proper may not be part of the New Age Movement, but Sufism, which is the gnosticised esoteric form of Islam IS."

Well Susanna, they are the mystics of Islam. But by the criteria you use, it is likely that a large number of medieval Catholic mystics and also Eastern Orthodox mystics would be categorized as New Age.

Anonymous said...

Ahmadiyyas run at about 1% of Muslims worldwide. Let's keep this in perspective.

Anonymous said...

Yes, 7:15 PM.

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:16 PM

While the Ahmadiyyas may be only 1% of Muslims worldwide, isn't is basic Islamic core the same?

Susanna said...

Anonymous 7:15

RE: Well Susanna, they are the mystics of Islam. But by the criteria you use, it is likely that a large number of medieval Catholic mystics and also Eastern Orthodox mystics would be categorized as New Age.

This is the criteria I use:

Catholic Dictionary




The supernatural state of soul in which God is known in a way that no human effort or exertion could ever succeed in producing. There is an immediate, personal experience of God that is truly extraordinary, not only in intensity and degree, but in kind. It is always the result of a special, totally unmerited grace of God. Christian mysticism differs essentially from the non-Christian mysticism of the Oriental world. It always recognizes that the reality to which it penetrates simply transcends the soul and the cosmos; there is no confusion between I and thou, but always a profound humility before the infinite Majesty of God. And in Christian mysticism all union between the soul and God is a moral union of love, in doing his will even at great sacrifice to self; there is no hint of losing one's being in God or absorption of one's personality into the divine.

For those who are not familiar with Catholic or Orthodox mysticism, I will explain it. In Catholic and Orthodox Christianity, there is a difference between true mysticism which is also called "the way of prayer," (prayer being the "lifting up of one's mind and heart to God) and gnosticism.

Perhaps by their own standards, Sufis can be called the "mystics" of Islam as long as their "mysticism" doesn't go contrary to what Muslims believe to be the revealed words of the Koran.

But by Christian standards, all Sufis are the "gnostics" of Islam - if only because Islam itself contains gnostic elements, insofar as it is a mixed bag of Judaism, Christianity and Christian Gnosticism.

Gnosticism itself is the quest for secret, falsely so-called "knowledge." Insofar as this "knowledge" is often sought by occult magical means it is Promethean, seeks to "command deity" and is not humbly regarded as a special, totally unmerited grace of God.

Catholic Dictionary



The theory of salvation by knowledge. Already in the first century of the Christian era there were Gnostics who claimed to know the mysteries of the universe. They were disciples of the various pantheistic sects that existed before Christ. The Gnostics borrowed what suited their purpose from the Gospels, wrote new gospels of their own, and in general proposed a dualistic system of belief. Matter was said to be hostile to spirit, and the universe was held to be a depravation of the Deity. Although extinct as an organized religion, Gnosticism is the invariable element in every major Christian heresy, by its denial of an objective revelation that was completed in the apostolic age and its disclaimer that Christ established in the Church a teaching authority to interpret decisively the meaning of the revealed word of God.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 7:16P.M.

Re:Ahmadiyyas run at about 1% of Muslims worldwide. Let's keep this in perspective.

The "perspective" is that on 9/11 three or four Islamic jihadist terrorists murdered about 3,000 American citizens.

The "perspective" is that on November 13, 2015, a handful of radical Islamic jihadist terrorists murdered 129 people and critically wounded nearly as many.

The "perspective" is that on December 2, 2015 two radical Islamic terrorists - a man and his wife - murdered fourteen American citizens and wounded twenty-one others. Citizens who had just recently given them a baby shower.

So let's do keep this in "perspective." A "perspective" in which LESS has been becoming MORE!

paul said...

There are an awful lot of people these days who are investigating and uncovering all kinds of ancient knowledge;
ancient knowledge which is the wisdom of all those long gone tribes like Babylon and Persia and Egypt, which
would show a person the special way that can be theirs if they only learn enogh of the ancient knowledge of the
seers and the sages and the wise men of yore. If a person stays with the Freemasons long enough, for instance,
he will gain this awesome ancient knowledge and he or she will have incredible power and amazing strength to do
supernatural things, and be really really awesome.
So how come NO ONE is performing miracles these days, anywhere at all ?
What miracles? Where ?
No miracles.
Gnostisism is just the lie that the devil told Eve in the Garden of Eden.
"You too can be a god."

Susanna said...


Re:Gnostisism is just the lie that the devil told Eve in the Garden of Eden.
"You too can be a god."


Anonymous said...


Thanks for the (Update Brazil) link again! It seems they have scheduled another guest for the episode with a different video link.
Meanwhile I have watched some of the past episodes (featuring familiar guests) and also googled Petr Cibulka - he has very interesting (and some quite unsettling) insights about the situation in Eastern Europe. If I have some questions about these topics, I wonder if I can contact you or should I try to email Update Brazil?

By the way, very interesting information about the perennialist school... René Guénon and Julius Evola are two writers I recall to be quite popular in the far-right here in Hungary, and as described, they are being pushed also in traditional Catholic circles, despite being identified as outright New Age.

- TradCat

paul said...

Okey, I stand corrected.
I saw someone give their life to Christ recently.
Their whole life has been changed from the inside out.
The radical change may not be apparent right away but it is real and the person is really really
changed, deeply. in fact they are so changed from within by the Holy Spirit of God that
they will probably never think the same way again.
It is a subtle change, you might say but it is one which will become less and less subtle as time goes on.
Eventually they will be shouting Hallelujah!
Jesus is still in the saving business.
This IS a miracle and it is marvelous in our eyes.

Constance Cumbey said...

I wrote extensively about the extremely apostate First Baptist Church of Seattle, Washington, that was pastored for many years by Rodney Romney. There was even heavy Seattle newspaper coverage of the differences between us. His church and his writings were aggressively New Age. The Church was part of the American Baptist network of churches. I spoke in other churches in that same network, notably in Longview, Washington, also during the 1980s. I did a computer search of my own research files and discovered that congregation is actively presently actively networked with the same Ahmadiyya congregation where the interfaith service was held on Thursday night, the day after the shootings.

A google search on "First Baptist Church of Seattle" and "Ahmadiyya" yielded the following resuilt:

Members of First Baptist Church of Seattle have worked alongside Ahmadiyya Muslims to feed the homeless in their community and were invited guests at the opening of a new mosque in Redmond, Calif. - See more at:


Marko said...


I was able to get the PDF - thanks! (I had to use the google dork query method to find it!)


For some reason, they never did the program. I'll try to find out when it will be. If you have questions, I would contact them directly through the website. (English page... Facebook links on program #1 - try Jeff or Allan.)

I don't know much about Far Right politics in Europe. I know that Geert Wilders is popular over at The Gates of Vienna. He seems to be one of a small, vocal few against the Islamic invasion of Europe.

Some of the Far Right in Europe I'm sure has been influenced by or infiltrated by anti-semitism / Nazism / Communism, much as some of the Far Right here in the states. Where the New Age fits in, I haven't looked into yet.

As everywhere, Far Right meets Far Left at some point. The French Revolution (far left) embodied a hatred of God and King. Many of the Libertarians here in the US (far right) have those same hatreds.

The US Revolution was the OPPOSITE of the French one - a fight to preserve the rightful roles of both God and King in society, which the King of England thumbed his nose at by his actions. It was really a counter-revolution.

But now I've started rambling.... :^)

Constance Cumbey said...

To 5:29

While I might agree with you substantially that Islam is not per se NEW AGE, the SUFI and AHMADIYYA branches are most definitely New Age in just about every sense of the word.


Anonymous said...


I wrote: "Ahmadiyyas run at about 1% of Muslims worldwide. Let's keep this in perspective."

You replied: The "perspective" is that on 9/11 three or four Islamic jihadist terrorists murdered about 3,000 American citizens. The "perspective" is that on November 13, 2015, a handful of radical Islamic jihadist terrorists murdered 129 people and critically wounded nearly as many.

And, to my knowledge, there is no evidence that any of them were Ahmadiyyas. THAT is the point I was making. I am as anti-Islam (all branches) as you are, I assure you. Constance might inadvertently have caused some confusion by concatenating the San Bernardino atrocity with a discussion of differences between Islamic sects and Islamic eschatology.

Anonymous said...

Susanna (with apologies for the extra "i" in your name just above), you wrote: by Christian standards, all Sufis are the "gnostics" of Islam - if only because Islam itself contains gnostic elements, insofar as it is a mixed bag of Judaism, Christianity and Christian Gnosticism. Gnosticism itself is the quest for secret, falsely so-called "knowledge."

But there is nothing secret in mainstream Islam. We might deplore and disagree with it, but it is perfectly open about its beliefs.

paul said...

Anon. 5:06
Open about it's beliefs?
They wouldn't allow an English translation of the Qran for hundreds of years
and even now they suppress them.

Anonymous said...

Hey Paul, you might as well grumble about the lack of vernacular translations of the Bible before the Reformation.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 5:06

Re:But there is nothing secret in mainstream Islam. We might deplore and disagree with it, but it is perfectly open about its beliefs.

Not only is Paul 7:19 AM correct about an English translation of the Quran not being allowed for hundreds of years, but Islam itself was "secret" at one time..... in terms of being privately "revealed" only to Muhammad.....unlike Christianity which was publicly revealed to all of the Apostles and followers of Christ.

Neither were the "revelations" to Muhammad sealed with the miracles that could only have come from God.

Catholics also regard Islam as a major Christian HERESY - primarily because it denies the divinity of Christ.

Muslims believe that God revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad, God's final prophet, through the angel Gabriel, and regard the Qur'an and the Sunnah (words and deeds of Muhammad) as the fundamental sources of Islam. They do not regard Muhammad as the founder of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets. Islamic tradition holds that Jews and Christians distorted the revelations God gave to these prophets by either altering the text, introducing a false interpretation, or both.

This is similar to what the 2nd century gnostics did.


by Hilaire Belloc

Chapter Four

The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

Mohammedanism was a : that is the essential point to grasp
before going any further. It began as a heresy, not as a new religion.

Itwas not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It
was a perversion of Christian doctrine.
Its vitality and endurance soon
gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary
with its rise saw it for what it was - not a denial, but an adaptation and a
misuse, of the Christian thing.

It differed from most (not from all)
heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian
Church. The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most
heresiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He
sprang from pagans. But that which he taught was in the main Catholic
doctrine, oversimplified.

But the central point where this new heresy struck home with a
mortal blow against Catholic tradition was a full denial of the

Mohammed did not merely take the first steps toward that denial,
as the Arians and their followers had done; he advanced a clear
affirmation, full and complete, against the whole doctrine of an incarnate
God. He taught that Our Lord was the greatest of all the prophets, but
still only a prophet: a man like other men. He eliminated the Trinity

Another term for "secret" when talking about Gnosticism is "private revelation."

Catholics do not have to accept private revelations "de fide" even when it is declared "worthy of belief" by the Church. For Catholics, "private revelations" are to be seen as revelations of "new graces" pointing out new dangers to the Christian faith and a call to repentence and prayer, not NEW DOCTRINAL TRUTHS, the revelation of which ended with the death of the last Apostle. Moreover, if any "private revelation" does claim to be a revelation of NEW DOCTRINAL TRUTHS, this would be an example of heretical Gnosticism.

Susanna said...


I think another of my comments may have wound up in your spam folder. It has to do with falsehoods allegedly being promoted by a prominent follower of Ahmadiyya.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 5:02 A.M.

Point well taken. But I am nevertheless a little suspicious of any branch of Islam that seeks to establish a "caliphate" - whether "spiritual" or otherwise - and whose leader is referred to as "Caliph."

The Ahmadiyya Caliphate is a non-political caliphate established on May 27, 1908 following the death of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, who claimed to be the promised Messiah and Mahdi, the expected redeemer awaited by Muslims. It is believed by Ahmadis to be the re-establishment of the Rashidun Caliphate that commenced following the death of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The caliphs are entitled Khalīfatul Masīh (Arabic: خليفة المسيح‎; English: Successor of the Messiah), sometimes simply referred to as Khalifa (or Caliph). The caliph is the elected spiritual and organizational leader of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and is the successor of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. He is believed by the Community to be divinely ordained and is also referred to by its members as Amir al-Mu'minin (Leader of the Faithful). The 5th and current caliph is Mirza Masroor more.....

It is also noteworthy that in Islam, it is also permitted to the "Infidels."

Richard said...

Pray for them (many are believing), but be ready to fight to the death out there against them if under attack.

Whilst we understand the very real plot to wipe out the monotheistic three (Albert Pike's writings expound on this), we cannot act as if Islam is a victim of the New Age. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch can illustrate many things that have also been shown by these devils in the 1400 years since they left Arabia. Like many other religionists and pagans, I think they are the slaves of that former cherub who appears as an angel of light and jewels. It is almost like a Christianity without Christ.

On the part, there is the growing totalitarianism in the world of which even the Muslims will be victims soon. I had a friend who always thought they are setting up the Muslims to in Europe, luring them in there to cause tension, strife and then when the Dictator arrives they will have their heads cut off with the others.

Changing themes, Pepsi has an ad promoting the arrival of 'aliens' as saviours. Nothing at all to do with their poison drink, though.

The world situation has to deteriorate so much more until the angels' last expulsion and the arrival of the ships and this anticristos. I think Islam is a means to that end.

Susanna said...


RE: Some of the Far Right in Europe I'm sure has been influenced by or infiltrated by anti-semitism / Nazism / Communism, much as some of the Far Right here in the states. Where the New Age fits in, I haven't looked into yet.

I hope you find this helpful.

BOTH the "Left Wing" and the "Right Wing" of the New Age Movement embrace the "Perennial Philosophy." according to which all religions share a single universal truth ( gnosis ) which transcends all religions even if they outwardly contradict each other.


The terms "left" and "right" in relation to the direction of the New Age Movement may have morphed out of occultist Gerard Encausse's (Papus) decision to leave Madame Blavatsky's Theosophical Society and start his own "Rosicrucian/Martinist Order" because of Blavatsky's emphasis in her order on Eastern esoteric traditions at the expense of the Western esoteric traditions.

The New Age Movement as most of us have come to understand it is the "left wing" of that movement and it includes the following:


The "Right Wing" of the New Age Movement is oriented more in the direction of Western Esoteric traditions:


The Traditionalist School, also called the Perennialist School, is a term referring to a number of 20th century writers who rejected modernity and argued for a return to the perennial truths as preserved in the traditions of the world religions. They are often referred to as "Traditionalists" or "Perrenialists"....

......The Traditionalist School has been associated with far right movements. Critics of Traditionalism cite its popularity among the European Nouvelle Droite, while Julius Evola's were used by Italian far-right groups during the 1970s turmoils.[citation needed] Mark Sedgwick's Against the Modern World, published in 2004, gives an analysis of the Traditionalist School and its influence. He describes how

A number of disenchanted intellectuals responded to Guénon's call with attempts to put theory into practice. Some attempted without success to guide Fascism and Nazism along Traditionalist lines; others later participated in political terror in Italy. Traditionalism finally provided the ideological cement for the alliance of anti-democratic forces in post-Soviet Russia, and at the end of the twentieth century began to enter the debate in the Islamic world about the desirable relationship between Islam and modernity....

Anonymous said...

Susanna, you wrote:

"I am nevertheless a little suspicious of any branch of Islam that seeks to establish a "caliphate" - whether "spiritual" or otherwise - and whose leader is referred to as "Caliph.""

Again I am in full agreement with you. But do you realise that it is nothing new? There was a Caliphate in Baghdad for centuries, then another in Istanbul till 1918.

You also wrote: "Catholics also regard Islam as a major Christian HERESY - primarily because it denies the divinity of Christ."

The dividing line between Christians and non-Christians is the line between those who believe that Jesus of Nazareth is divine (in the sense of the Creator), and those who deny it. Islam is in the latter category, and it is therefore logically incoherent to call Islam a Christian heresy. Let us simply agree that it is a force for evil.

Richard said...

"The Jews are currently blinded as to who the Messiah is."

Incredibly, an increasing number are believing on the real Messiah.

Michael Brown, Baruch Korman, Zev Porat, Johnathan Kahn.

I recommend for marvelous information.

And the Antichrist is neither Turk nor Muslim.

Anonymous said...


Yes, and it is wonderful news because He said that it would take the Jews crying "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord", and meaning him, to cause him to return. The world is in for a rough time first, though.

I believe it is no coincidence that the Jews are turning to him now that thy are back in their land. A brief history of the community of Jewish believers in Jesus Christ in the Holy Land in the State of Israel - and I know of no other source for this information - is given in the book Through my enemy’s eyes: Envisioning reconciliation in Israel-Palestine by Salim Munayer and Lisa Loden (Paternoster publishers, Milton Keynes, UK, 2014), chapter 5: An Introduction to Israeli Messianic Jewish Identity. (Munayer is an Arab evangelical Christian and Loden an originally American Jewess who migrated to Israel and is a believer in Jesus Christ; they are friends and wrote alternate chapters of this fine book; Loden wrote chapter 5.) Before 1967 the number of ethnic Jewish believers in Jesus in the Holy Land never exceeded 200; by the mid-1970s it was estimated at 300; by the end of the 1980s it was estimated at 2500-3000; by the end of the 1990s it was approximately 5000; today it is between 10,000 and 23,000. (There has been no survey since 1999.)

Anonymous said...

What a spin doctor, Constance! Give her a hand, wow very impressive. The point is that federal AND local officials are now working together. I suspect that ANY local agency not inclined to work with (global)federal agencies in the most compliant, ecumenical and submissive way will find that they become victims of the theater company of the secret societies. This allows for good practice in false flag procedures.

Anonymous said...

"very rural area" Small town America needs to understand how the NWO works.

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Susanna said...

Re:The dividing line between Christians and non-Christians is the line between those who believe that Jesus of Nazareth is divine (in the sense of the Creator), and those who deny it. Islam is in the latter category, and it is therefore logically incoherent to call Islam a Christian heresy. Let us simply agree that it is a force for evil.

On the one hand, the denial of the Incarnation, is an objectively Christian heresy.

However, a person who denies the Incarnation must be validly baptized in order to be called a "heretic" in the strictest sense of the term.

After reading your post, I did a little more digging found the following which seems to be more in tune with what you have said.

A person must be baptized to commit heresy. This means that movements that have split off from or been influenced by Christianity, but that do not practice baptism (or do not practice valid baptism), are not heresies, but separate religions. Examples include Muslims, who do not practice baptism, and Jehovah’s Witnesses, who do not practice valid baptism...........

One of the problems with attempting to define Islam is that the Muslims themselves either claim - or allow non-Muslims to believe - that the "Allah" of the Quran is identical with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Physicist was the one who kindly set me straight on that score.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, I'll try contacting them then!

Susanna: Excellent insights! The "perennialist problem" is so huge in our country (Hungary) that even mainstream newspapers ran articles exposing them.
Perennialists go hand in hand with Monarchists, that is, who would like to 'restore' the feudal system step by step. As insane as it sounds (in the current political situation even more so), looking at the bigger picture it quite fits the New Age agenda.

Anonymous said...

5:01 - Oops, forgot the signature -

- Trad Cat

Susanna said...

P.S. Anonymous 11:16 AM

Re:Again I am in full agreement with you. But do you realise that it is nothing new? There was a Caliphate in Baghdad for centuries, then another in Istanbul till 1918.

Agreed. And there are also competing "caliphates" within Isalm each claiming to be the "real deal" vis a vis some direct connection to Muhammad. The possible danger is that one of them might just be waiting in the wings for the right moment to sieze power. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

Well, yes, Susanna, but it's difficult to regret that Islam is divided!

I think we are also really discussing merely the definition of heresy and we actually agree over what is and isn't valid Christian theology in re Islam.

Anonymous said...

Everybody gets that Trump's WALL is to keep us in, right?

Just making sure you see it. They wanted the electronic voting machines (controlled governance), they wanted mind controlled politicians, they corrupted the politicians, they started wars in the middle east, they want multi-culturalism, they want to get 'fundamentalists' to fight their wars, they want mass immigration, they ALSO want the wall, just be sure that you are not deceived about this. Not to mention the rates for expatriating are beyond anyone's reach now so people could be desperate enough to try and cross a border. They are provoking the US Muslims, If Team B 1 got the Soviets so agitated that they invaded Afghanistan then Team B II will make the Muslims rage as well, and they will be enraged in the cage, behind the wall, meant to keep you in.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 5:20 PM

Re:Well, yes, Susanna, but it's difficult to regret that Islam is divided!

LOL Ain't that the truth!

Re:I think we are also really discussing merely the definition of heresy and we actually agree over what is and isn't valid Christian theology in re Islam.

I could not have put it better.

Anonymous said...

East Berliners Jump to freedom and Cross the Berlin Wall to Escape Newsreel
"Wolf is the man that effectively built the East German state intelligence operation’s internal directorate," Martin continues. "He turned half the population into informants.

He only DREAMED of having internet 2 and Trump's wall

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

Constance Cumbey said...

To Susanna (and all others):

My copy of Mark Sedgwick's book AGAINST THE MODERN WORLD: Traditionalism and the Secret Intellectual History of the Twentieth Century arrived this afternoon. I'm currently going through it. Thanks for the lead!


Constance Cumbey said...

To Anonymous 5:47

How long until proposed restraints against Moslems are also urged against Christians? Not long, I fear. Groups such as the Christian Reconstruction Movement and Manifest Sons of God, New Apostolic Reform, etc. are certainly providing the Alliance of Civilizations plenty of ammunition. Dangerous precedents can certainly be set.


Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

reading the partial view in kindle on I love this statement, after describing Dugin as brilliant "the main thing to remember is that all these people are 100 percent insane."

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

Constance, the restraints you worry about are potentially in play with the DHS worrying about potentially dangerous people that include Christians who have an end
times concern, worry about big government, collect guns and so forth. Perhaps this effort will be turned against Joel's Army when it gets its act together.

What may be needed is a revision an Amendment to the Constitution recreating the Roman Empire system of classifying religions as legal and illegal, add a third category to be permitted with severe limitations and no proselytizing (islam). The idea that something MUST apply to EVERYONE is a myth created in our legal system. While an overall equality of course must be in play (which would include specific rejection of shariah or other codes if someone turns to American law for help in a
bad situation), exceptions can be written in. It is precisely the presupposition of total across the board legal equality that is in play in same sex marriage.

Constance Cumbey said...

This is interesting:

Darrick Evenson a/k/a Troy Lawrence told Sandra Tanner in Salt Lake City (the day before Al Kresta outed his real identity on Al's then Detroit WMUZ afternoon program) that he (Darrick Evenson) was a Bahai. He was also posing elsewhere as a Christian writing against the New Age Movement and posing to gain access to Tara Center computers.

I still don't know what his full motives were, but the Ahmadiyya leads definitely may be worth pursuing.


Constance Cumbey said...

Christine, re your 11:19 comment, you are rambling again. Further, the Roman system you propose would be exceedingly dangerous.


Constance Cumbey said...


Re 7:23 pm

Just who is Matt24? Why does the material on Pat Robertson look so familiar to me? I don't know about all his/her own discernment. Going to his EBOOK Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, I see references to three I knew as New Agers and operatives of the occult in the US Military:

1. Barbara Honneger; 2. Albert Stubblebine; 3. Catherine Austin Fitts.

Exactly who is the author? Why doesn't he use his name? I don't disagree with everything on his/her site, whoever he/she/it is.

I urge caution, particularly when there is author anonymity? This is not to forbid anonymous posting here. But why on the site you reference for the author himself/herself/itself?


Constance Cumbey said...

To 5:02

I don't think I caused the confusion, but you may be adding to it by mischaracterizing my reporting. I didn't say that the shooter (Syed Farook) was an Ahmadiyyan. He belonged to a different and much smaller area Mosque. What I did say was that the Moslem New Age/Sufi/Baha'i type Moslem sect of Ahmadiyyas is obviously playing a large role in New World Religion circles and is making the most of "Crisis = Opportunity." For the record, all had to be Satanically inspired, both the shooters and those seeking to exploit the crisis to promote a "new Messiah."


Susanna said...

Dear Constance,

Mark Sedgwick has a great deal to say about Alexander Dugin and his "Traditionalism." Here is a related article that you might also want to check out.


His Eurasianism is a satanic cult.

by Robert Zubrin June 18, 2014

Alexander Dugin

Anonymous said...

This is interesting - From Wikipedia -

"Gautama Buddha, the founder of Buddhism, is also venerated as a manifestation of God in Hinduism, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and the Bahá'í faith. Some Hindu texts regard Buddha, that he was an avatar of the god Vishnu, who came to Earth to delude beings away from the Vedic religion.[1] The Buddha is also regarded as a prophet by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community[2][3] and a Manifestation of God in the Bahá'í faith"

And then from this link -

"September 3, 1892: Bohemian Club Summer Encampment. A large 70 foot statue of Daibutsu Buddha, modeled after the Daibutsu of Kamkura and constructed of lath and plaster, is erected in an area later to be known as the Bohemian Grove. This statue gradually deteriorates over time, and by the late 1920's there is very little of it left."

And this from the same website -

" May 19, 1945: Delegates from all over the world met in the spring of 1945 to draft and sign the Charter of the United Nations. President Franklin D. Roosevelt died on April 12, 1945, shortly before he was to have opened the United Nations Conference. On May 19, the delegates held a commemorative ceremony in tribute to his memory in Muir Woods' Cathedral Grove, where a dedication plaque was placed in his honor.
May 19, 1995: The United Nations and the National Park Service hold a special commemorative ceremony in tribute to the life of Franklin D. Roosevelt and to honor the founding of the United Nations and its achievements in its first fifty years."


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Constance Cumbey said...

Well, here's another new wrinkle -- Al Jazeera America tonight just featured a segment promoting the use of that time honored NEW AGE consciousness altering drug, MDMA, aka ECSTASY. The New Agers were determined to promote it in the 1980s and were testifying before Congress: Brother David Steindl Rast, the physician husband of the publisher then of New Age Journal. Marilyn Ferguson told an interviewer in a tape they later furnished me that they would not let go of MDMA -- it was too important to their cause. She then said, "Melanin is very important to what we are doing and Constance Cumbey knows nothing about Melanin." I told the informants, "she can bet I'll find out." She told them that Melanin mixed with MDMA could give one a permanent "change of consciousness", i.e. possession.

That Al Jazeera is promoting it is curious to me. That might not be the only place it is being promoted or happening, but it is where I just watched it.

Has anybody else observed this? Where, if anywhere, might it fit in? I'll bet it wouldn't make it hard to accept the Ahmadiyya theology/ideology.


Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...


Matt two four (probably ref. Matt. 24 where Jesus explains end times) wrote this as the followup with the first part repeating material from his ebook online,
I can't find a real name, but what does that matter? what is important is the information. the examples he gives are easy to check on as not photoshop. The ebook goes into great detail examining several popular Christian musicians.

The Robertson thing looks familiar because you commented on this in an old newsletter after it appeared on Time Magazine cover, which both you and he shows.

* the position of the hand is the same as that used by at least one New Age bigwig, you figured he was sending them a message he was with them. Most likely correct.

* it is also the Lion's Paw masonic gesture, which matttwofour notes and which I know from some research. Masonic secrets have all been publicized one place or another. So Robertson would have been letting masons know that he was one of them and on their side, even if his day job require he denounce them at times.

* it also resembles the fist on chest salute given by Romans and Egyptians to superiors in some movies, which might not be accurate, or it might, but it would give an impression he is somehow relevant to that scene as a high ranking member of such an ancient society who would have access to and salute the top ranking people.
That's my own speculation.

all of these would be a fit, because masonry hijacks Bible terms and ideas like the Temple of Solomon, and the ladder Jacob saw in his dream, to their own purposes but uses them deceptively, which your research on Robertson shows he does also with Christianity.

Anonymous said...

In regards to MDMA -



Anonymous said...

Christine, dear, remember this post?

What is wrong with your brain that what I spelled out before...

You were really rambling then too.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 2:30,

rambling eh? okay, don't bother reading in depth articles or gong to a lecture that doesn't give you a snippet but a lot of information, you will find it is too rambling for you.

Anonymous said...

What may be needed is a revision an Amendment to the Constitution recreating the Roman Empire system of classifying religions as legal and illegal

NO, Christine. What is needed is a recognition that Quranic Islam is intrinsically political as well as religious, so that it can be treated as a political movement just like communism was a generation ago. Gospel Christianity, at least, is not political (although Christians are free as individuals to exercise their political rights in a democracy).

No progress will be made until legislators are willing to start naming Islam instead of bleating about "religions". That only gets Christians caught in the same net.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said..

"Islam proper may not be part of the New Age Movement, but Sufism, which is the gnosticised esoteric form of Islam IS."

Here's an quote from a Gnostic website located here

"Lucifer came to the world to wake man up, to help him remember his divine origin, the divine origin of his Spirit, and to help him free himself from the body-soul in which he is trapped, and from created time and matter."

Gnostics believe that "God" did not create the physical universe and that another "god" created it and this "other "god" is Satan. They believe that the serpent in the Garden of Eden was Lucifer and that his appearance in the Garden was the first coming of Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

Leave Christine alone. Yes, her posts and plentiful and she rambles but she's our Christine. Use the collapse feature when you notice she's rambling.

Anonymous said...

Dear 7.37am

This is Anon@4.55am. (I did not put up the 2.30am post.) I believe this blog would be better off without Christine. She does worse than ramble: she refuses to be corrected and she goes offtopic. The Collapse feature loses other information, and many comments are corrections which she needs but doesn't want.

RayB said...

Several thoughts I've had recently regarding this blog:

IF this is a site that is representative (in theory) of Christianity, then ALL false teachings, patently false doctrines, false religious systems, etc. should be exposed and opposed. In fact, the light of truth should expose ALL lies, not just that of the NAM. The New Age Movement is evil, but it is only one PART of Satan's multi-pronged plan to build his evil kingdom upon the earth.

I have been quite amazed by some of the posts in here that assert salvation outside of Jesus Christ. As Christians, we have no right whatsoever to proclaim "salvation" for well-meaning "pagans," etc. The only SURE way is through the righteousness of Jesus Christ alone, there is no other way. That is what makes the "pope's" comments regarding "gays," "atheists," along with his Christ-denying claim that "God" has many names but all is the same entity, etc. In opposition to his Christ-denying statements is the ONE and ONLY ONE standard that can be totally trusted for the truth, and that is God's Word.

Regarding the little sect of Islam that has been granted so much attention on this particular blog because of its ... hold your breath ... connections to the New Age Movement and the New World Religion, etc. is I find rather strange. Islam itself is a COMPLETE lie, and by itself should be viewed as such. What has been ignored, rather, is the incredible POWER and influence of the Papacy that is promoting the a New World Religion, and yet this fact is virtually ignored by Constance and "Susanna." Why is that? Are lies to be exposed and opposed only when it falls under the category of the New Age?

Satan is the "father of ALL lies" and not just those that are the New Age Movement.
By the way, God DOES HATE, and among the seven abominations He lists, two deal specifically with lies ..."a lying tongue" and "a false witness that speaketh lies." Proverbs 6: 16-19

I think the bottom line here is ... "who is on the Lord's side?" If you are on His side, you will stand for truth ... "thy Word is truth."

Anonymous said...

I read it just this morning in 1 Timothy Chapter 4. the first few verses are warning about false teachers.
Specifically, I noticed verses 3 and 4 that say:
1Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Celibacy vows and no meat on Fridays (most Catholics dropped that one right?) seem gnostic to me. The withholding seems like a man made standard, not God's is what I gather from the text.

False teachers like to have special rules in their practices which are to make one more "spiritual" (elite, if you will) like secret levels to achieve and closed meetings which promote this.

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Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 10:56

the original Wednesday and Friday fasts go back to earliest times, referenced also in the Didache, in mourning on Wednesday for the conspiracy by Judas against Christ,
and in mourning on Friday for the suffering Christ went through for us. Paul was talking about ascetic gnostics who hated everything physical, and the judaizers who would revive Mosaic food laws.

anon 4:55

okay, that might accomplish the same thing, to reclassify claimants to religion status not
based on their claim but on things about them as to whether they are a religion or some kind of financial ripoff mind control game,
and an undergirding of Christian standard would have to be in play in making these
definitions. This would side step religio licit vs. religio illicit and accomplish
the same thing.

Marko said...


Regarding Al-Jazeera programming:

You probably already know this, but Al-Jazeera America is the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, just as RT is the propaganda arm of Russia. And both are popular cable channels here in America, and have been given air time via MHz Networks, which owns these cable channels.

This is according to an article that Cliff Kincaid wrote several years ago that I'm having trouble locating on his website. I'll post a link to it once I find it.

Once again, it's a case of us shooting ourselves in the foot, by allowing anti-American propaganda on TV, radio, in our educational curricula -- it's everywhere, really. The suicide of the West. Or maybe "sewer"cide?

Susanna said...


In addition to the use of drugs like MDMA by suicide bombers, a relatively unknown amphetamine called "captagon" has become the drug of choice for today's jihadists.

Meet Captagon: The Drug Of Choice For Today's Anxious Jihadist

Dubbed the “jihadist’s drug,” Captagon is rapidly flooding the Middle East and is said to be fueling the bloody conflict in Syria. French media recently reported that the Paris attackers may have taken the drug.

Last weekend, Turkish anti-narcotics police seized 11 million Captagon pills in a haul that weighed almost two tonnes. It was set to ship to Gulf countries. Widely banned since the mid-eighties, the pills provide a cheap and long-lasting high and are highly addictive. They also have the potential to cause psychosis and brain damage more.....

Captagon: the amphetamine fuelling Syria's civil war

The drug, widely used in the Middle East but unknown elsewhere, is keeping fighters on their feet during gruelling battles and generating money for more more....

The tiny pill fueling Syria’s war and turning fighters into superhuman soldiers
By Peter Holley November 19

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

The Nazis pioneered this approach their supermen were amphetamine heads. USA also used these for pilots. amphetamines (meth is a super amphetamine that didn't exist then) were over the counter legal in those days, also used by psychiatrists to treat depression.

Anonymous said...

An interesting site - they also have a facebook page:

Anonymous said...

"You probably already know this, but Al-Jazeera America is the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood" Really? So you recommend Fox and CNN?

Maybe you are completely unaware that US Media is run by the same secret societies? Hello? It's 20th Century Fox who hired Smarter Balance to do the marketing and make the contracts for the insane personality tests for the Common Core State Standard Initiative, (Alice Bailey Education for the New Age). Not to mention the UNESCO agreement with all US media in the 80's to ' add more humanism' to every story. It's all theater. ALL, I said ALL of it. What a joke, it's all propaganda, spin and deception. My 1800's dictionary defines "Jesuitism" as "Deception".

Ok let's get real, real specific with this CNN clip Marko:

I am pretty confident that I can post these all day and night.

Anonymous said...


10:48 PM

I see that as well. They will be after the Saturday Christians and fundamentalist Jews next. The rest will probably fall up under the 'approved' government defined Christians. In true Communist fashion I am sure they will go after homosexuals and witches or whom ever they can, frankly but Muslims are first this time and sadly I believe the crap but not for years now. I am confident it's NOT the Muslims and radical Jihad theory is bunk.

Anonymous said...

"BE SURE" they will take away your rights too.

The thing that is so important is that both sides are fully controlled. This battle is a controlled event and neither side will be breached by any average person, all we can do is watch in horror. SAD.

Side A on the left, a media guy

Side B on the right, a media woman

All can be linked to secret societies in many ways. Watch the show try and stay out of it. Prayer helps.

Anonymous said...

Hi RayB 9:15,

I agree ... I have to wonder if many of the people professing to be Christian commenting on this blog actually comprehend that we fight not flesh and blood but principlities and powers.

Anonymous said...

Fascinating. I am becoming aware of the climate change. Can you see it too?

" 8. The team behind the project hopes the extravaganza will get people to pay more attention to the plight of the planet.

"You have to do something audacious to shock people ... to really grab their attention," Psihoyos said."

oldmanoftheski said...


I find SOME of the reporting on RT thorough, intelligent, and refreshing. At least RT doesn’t flood the airwaves with prescription drug ads every five minutes like their American counterparts. That said, as with any "news" source, including our own American media, one must practice discernment. There are a number of STUPID and downright EVIL people showcased on RT,(Jesse Ventura and Tom Hartman come to mind). As with CNN or FOX NEWS, viewer discretion is advised.

Keep in mind that it was Vlad Putin (not exactly a friend of the U.S.) who outed Turkey re their oil trade with ISIS. We also now know that besides oil revenue, human beings (child sex slaves and slaves), stolen antiquities, and drug sales profits also contribute substantially to the ISIS war machine.

Apparently, there are a lot of buyers among America's so-called "allies" for what ISIS has to sell. War is never as clean as we like to think.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"Fascinating. I am becoming aware of the climate change. Can you see it too?"
the sun is going into a possible Maunder Minimum which will reproduce the mini ice age of the 1600s and 1700s. we need more greenhouse gasses not less.

Anonymous said...

The climate is changing from sovereign and free nations to global Babylon, naturally you would spin it.

Anonymous said...

I think that if your e-file is not acceptable to the data miners you will not be employable. (Maybe you don't believe in global warming and climate change??) Because it's mandatory that you have health insurance now and you are unable to pay for that because you have been black listed from employment (typical communist tactic) then your tax bills will soon become unmanageable. Then you may become hungry followed by sickness and homelessness and now you are on the 'poor' list. Not to worry because they are busing people out of the city into newly established homeless shelters which when they overflow --well the busing can being to the FEMA camps. It's so simple really and you may need shots when you get there, naturally we have no idea what's in these shots. So eliminating extreme poverty or rather eliminate the newly created poor as I think they really mean can become reality.

I was harassed by the medical attendant who wanted my ss number and religion, she demanded that it was the computer that was to blame. My e-file was updated, with information that was none of her business. "I was just taking orders" (Nazi) will become "I was just doing what the computer told me to do". Watson will decide if you get that healthcare or maybe what's in your shots, but lets be clear with the people we deal with, make sure they understand how much we doubt God will not accept that computer excuse as legit. Think people.

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Anonymous said...

Watch out with that nanner nanner boo boo answer there @ 8:58 PM.
You may have to sit in the corner during recess if you persist, honey ;).

Anonymous said...

"The climate is changing from sovereign and free nations to global Babylon"

Cool your jets 8:37 PM

Sometimes Christine can spin until she's dizzy, but here she didn't connect the imagery with what you intended to say. Pictures aren't always worth 1000 words.

Constance Cumbey said...

I discovered the relationship between Rodney Romney's church, First Baptist Church of Seattle and the Ahmadiyya networks. Now, I've discovered a very close obvious relationship between Seventh Day Adventist interests and the very same Ahmadiyya community in Chino (San Bernadino, California) where the interfaith service was held last week. The Imam of that community and others are frequent contributors to LIBERTY MAGAZINE. This is Seventh Day Adventist owned and purportedly specializes in religious liberty and separation of Church and State. Consistent with SDA theology they have little use for Catholics; however, they seem to have a fondness for the Ahmadiyya community and its messianic figure. So far I've found 4 Liberty magazines in my collection with contributions from that Chino Mosque. Considering the close proximity of that and Loma Linda, California where the SDA University, medical school, and hospital are located, this is perhaps not surprising. Many of the victims were treated at the Loma Linda Hospital which is a Seventh Day Adventist institution.


Constance Cumbey said...

RayB, I appreciate your inputs, but sometimes I do think you put your emPHASis on the wrong syLLABLE. The whole point about the Ahmadiyya sect is that it is distinctly a New World Religion thrust appealing to many fronts. That interests ranging from Tara Center, the Theosophical Society, Rene Guenon, Buddhists, governments (200 countries per their account), that their "messianic" head has addressed our USA Congress I find significant. I'm sorry the research offends you as "too much attention." Giving it one column in my 34 solid years of researching and writing about the New Age Movement is hardly excessive.


Constance Cumbey said...

Very, very fascinating: A google search on "Seventh Day Adventists" and "Ahmadiyya" just yielded this revealing article for me:


Constance Cumbey said...


MANY THANKS for the Dugin references. He is now firmly on my radar. I've passed your link on to Cliff Kincaid for his consideration as well. I'm also going to try to reach Lee Penn on the topic.


Constance Cumbey said...


Was I to ignore the MDMA promotion simply because it was reported on Al Jazeera? To me, that made it even more significant as Al Jazeera was giving that New Age vessel favorable publicity.


Constance Cumbey said...

To 5:17

Thank you for calling the Vatican exhibition and the comparison to the Babylon images to my attention. It was hardly subtle, was it? Thanks!


Constance Cumbey said...


Re the Robertson reference, I very well remember why it was familiar to me. I was making a somewhat incredulous comment on his/her originality. I rather suspect they saw my old newsletter, too.


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Susanna said...

Dear Constance,

Dugin wants to make the Russian Orthodox Church the public face for the "Christian" branch of the "Traditionalist School."

In the nineteenth century, Jules Doinel's Gnostic Church was publicly condemned by the pope so anyone known to be involved in it would have been religiously suspect. This would have included Rene Guenon, who functioned as bishop of the Alexandrian branch of Doinel's gnostic church before "converting" to Sufism.

As gnostic "bishop," Guenon took the name "Tau Palingenius."

Susanna said...

Dear Constance,

Regarding the Vatican exhibition.....indeed, it was hardly subtle.

A petition to the Vatican protesting this fiasco is currently being circulated.

Since I have already been crystal clear about where I stand on human - induced climate change and the circumstances under which I am NOT obliged to agree with the of them being the Pope's "scientific" opinions, I am not going to take up blog space beating a dead horse.

However, here is how other conservative Catholics are reacting to the "light show."

LifeSite News, for example, also seems to know who is behind this "lights" fiasco.

Sacrilege’: Catholic leaders react to Vatican’s ‘climate change’ light show

Catholic commentator Fr. John Zuhlsdorf wrote on his blog that the event was “irreverent” and even a form of “sacrilege.”

“St. Peter’s is, without question, a sacred place and object (a very large one, too!). It is, without question, dedicated by the Church to sacred purposes. The use of this sacred building and place (where St. Peter was martyred and buried, a pilgrimage place, etc. etc. etc.) as a projection screen for mere secular purposes is irreverent treatment,” he wrote.

Fr. Zuhlsdorf quoted the Catholic Dictionary which defines sacrilege as the “irreverent treatment of sacred things, persons or places, i.e., those dedicated by God or the Church to sacred purposes. It is a sin against the virtue of religion, of its nature grave, but admitting smallness of matter.”

“This has gone beyond ridiculous,” he said.

The priest said the image of the lion projected on to St. Peter's made him think of a passage from St. Peter's first letter: "Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour. Whom resist ye, strong in faith: knowing that the same affliction befalls, your brethren who are in the world" (1 Peter 5:8) entire article...

Here is the link to the petition.

The following article is by Edward Pentin from the National Catholic Register.

Vatican Light Show Aims to Push Climate Change Agreement

by Edward Pentin 12/07/2015

From Father Z's blog.

Turning St. Peter’s Basilica into a projection screen for climate change panic propaganda

Posted on 8 December 2015 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

UPDATE 8 Dec 2015 GMT:

My favorite comment on Father Z's blog was:

Father Bartoloma says:

8 December 2015 at 8:06 AM

Perhaps the famous Benedict Resignation Lightening Bolt will make a reappearance.



"Well, nothing says care and prudent conservation of our natural resources more than a whopping great light show!!!


BlogsCatholic Church Tue Dec 8, 2015 - 4:02 pm EST

Vatican’s ‘climate change’ light show skipped the most endangered species of all – the unborn child

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