New Age leader Jeremy Rifkin wrote THE EMERGING ORDER God in the Age of Scarcity (1979). It was co-authored with Ted Howard. The mass paperback Ballantine Epiphany edition had the following Christian endorsements:
- J. Edward Hakes, Dean, Trinity College
- John Bernbaum, Christian College Consortium
- Myron Westphal, Philosophy Department Chairman, Hope College
- Bishop James Armstrong, President, National Council of Churches
- Gilbert Bilezikian, Professor of Bible, Wheaton College
- John W. Alexander, Past President, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship
Interestingly, Rifkin was hailed as a "prophet" for this book that in essence said that a New World Order would be ushered in by a "new Protestant reformation." The Charismatics would supply the "liberating energy." The Evangelicals would supply the new theology and/or "new covenant vision" in the form of a "Stewardship Paradigm" in place of the 'outmoded' "Fall and Dominion" paradigm.
For my personal analysis of Rifkin's theology and works, consult my chapter "A SECRET KINGDOM" in my second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION: THE STAGING OF A NEW AGE MESSIAH. Here is an online link to a free downloadable edition from Internet Archives, org.
I believe based on what I have seen so far that the concerns coming to me from as far away as New Zealand and as close as Pontiac, Michigan are legitimate. Therefore, I'm recommending the viewing and downloading of Andrew Strom's videos. I noticed that his obviously professionally produced documentaries were available without charge and reproduction was urged. I like that! I can't conceive of any legitimate Biblical prophet of old saying "send me $39.95 and I will send you my prophecy video of the month."
Please watch and many thanks to New Zealand and Pontiac, Michigan -- far and near to home, for putting me onto these issues.
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
For my personal analysis of Rifkin's theology and works, consult my chapter "A SECRET KINGDOM" in my second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION: THE STAGING OF A NEW AGE MESSIAH. Here is an online link to a free downloadable edition from Internet Archives, org.
I believe based on what I have seen so far that the concerns coming to me from as far away as New Zealand and as close as Pontiac, Michigan are legitimate. Therefore, I'm recommending the viewing and downloading of Andrew Strom's videos. I noticed that his obviously professionally produced documentaries were available without charge and reproduction was urged. I like that! I can't conceive of any legitimate Biblical prophet of old saying "send me $39.95 and I will send you my prophecy video of the month."
Please watch and many thanks to New Zealand and Pontiac, Michigan -- far and near to home, for putting me onto these issues.
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
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Thank you for presenting the clear and undeniable Scriptural teaching regarding Baptism.
Constance @ 10:29 AM said:
" ... it is not my understanding of Catholic doctrine that to get to Jesus, one has to go through the Pope."
Under Catholic doctrine & dogma, the Pope is the head of the church, and it is ONLY through the church that the sacraments are administered, among which is the Eucharist, through which is the ONLY means by which a Catholic can "receive" Jesus Christ (or as you put it ... "get to Jesus").
Question: what other means can a Catholic "get to Jesus" without Sacraments, whereby violating everything that the Roman Catholic Church teaches on this subject?
Regarding this, the Council of Trent (it has NEVER been rescinded) puts an "anathema" upon any and all violations of Trent's declarations, and states emphatically that there is no "way" available to Jesus Christ outside of the Church of Rome and its sacramental system. It also declares the absolute necessity to be in complete obedience to the Pope of Rome, his bishops, and priests.
Paul,
Thank you for your kind words.
Regarding the "baptism of fire." And again, this is from a Catholic perspective.
The following is a Catholic prayer to the Holy Spirit
Come Holy Spirit! Fill the hearts of thy faithful! And enkindle in them the FIRE of thy love!
Send forth Thy Spirit and they shall be created,
And Thou shalt renew the face of the earth.
Oh God Who didst instruct the hearts of the faithful by the light of the Holy Spirit
Grant by that same light that we may have a right judgement in all things
And that we may ever rejoice in His consolation through the merits of Jesus Christ our Lord and Redeemer.
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At some point after Baptism - usually during adolescence in modern times - Catholics receive the Sacrament of Confirmation which is regarded as a completion of Baptism. At Baptism, we have already begun to receive the Holy Spirit. Confirmation has been described by Mother Angelica at EWTN as "turning up the light." ( i.e. the light of the Holy Spirit of the aforementioned prayer )
In Christianity, confirmation is seen as the sealing of the covenant created in Holy Baptism. In some denominations, confirmation also bestows full membership in a local congregation upon the recipient. In others, such as the Roman Catholic Church, confirmation "renders the bond with the Church more perfect", because, while a baptized person is already a member, "reception of the sacrament of Confirmation is necessary for the completion of baptismal grace".
Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches, and many Anglicans view Confirmation as a sacrament. In the East it is conferred immediately after baptism. In the West, this practice is followed when adults are baptized, but in the case of infants not in danger of death it is administered, ordinarily by a bishop, only when the child reaches the age of reason or early adolescence. Among those Catholics who practice teen-aged confirmation, the practice may be perceived, secondarily, as a "coming of age" rite.......
The roots of confirmation are found in the New Testament. For instance, in the Acts of the Apostles 8:14–17:
Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who went down and prayed for them, that they might receive the holy Spirit, for it had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them and they received the holy Spirit.
Also, in the Gospel of John, Chapter 14, Christ speaks of the coming of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles (John 14:15–26). Later, after his Resurrection, Jesus breathed upon them and they received the Holy Spirit (John 20:22), a process completed on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4). After this point, the New Testament records the apostles bestowing the Holy Spirit upon others through the laying on of hands.......read more.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation
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If you recall, Jesus received the Holy Spirit at His baptism. In fact, Jesus is considered the first person to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus during his baptism and anointed him with power. Afterward, Jesus began his ministry and displayed his power by casting out demons, healing the sick, and teaching with authority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_with_the_Holy_Spirit
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As you know, Catholics practice infant baptism and are often criticized by those who sincerely believe that baptism should be reserved for those who are capable of professing their faith in Jesus Christ. This is a valid concern. But because Confirmation is a completion of baptism, this concern is addressed insofar as a Catholic Christian is required to make his own profession of faith at Confirmation by renewing the baptismal vows made for him at baptism by his godparents when he was an infant.
In other words, at Confirmation, we Catholics confirm the choice our parents made on our behalf when they had us baptized as infants and incapable of making that choice for ourselves. Moreover, at Confirmation, we also choose a new name, which is traditionally referred to as our "nom du guerre" ( "battle name" ) since one effect of confirmation has rightly been described as making the confirmed person "a soldier of Christ". When I was confirmed, the bishop still followed the tradition of giving a slight "slap" to the cheek after the laying on of hands and anointing with chrism as a reminder that we may one day be called upon to suffer persecution and even death for the Christian faith.
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_slap_on_the_cheek_mean_in_confirmation
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As you said, Baptism of fire is a phrase originating from the words of John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11.
"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.
The phrase also occurs in Luke 3:16 and it might be taken as a reference to the fiery trial of faith which endures suffering and purifies the faithful who look upon gods glory and are transformed not consumed (Mark 10:38, James 1:2-4, 1 Peter 1:7, 1 Peter 4:12).
In the early Church, the imposition of hands on the newly baptized to impart the gift of the Holy Spirit was the origin of the sacrament of confirmation. Again, in the Eastern church, confirmation continued to be celebrated immediately after water baptism. The two rites were separated in the Western church.
Here is an article that might also be helpful. It mentions the prophet Elijah - the patron for the "Baptism of Fire."
Seek the Baptism of Fire
By Father Michael Becker –
http://ccro-msp.org/seek-the-baptism-of-fire/
To 4:18 pm
In my estimation, you have GREAT DISCERNMENT. Whether done deliberately or by subtle instigation from others, you have outlined the so far successful strategy set forth in the New Age books by Alice Bailey and Peter LeMesurier: infiltrate the target groups insofar as possible and pit the remaining fundamentalists of each stripe off against both the "liberals" in their groups and against the fundamentalists of the others. The books I'm referring to are, inter alia, THE RAYS AND THE INITATIONS by Alice Bailey and THE ARMAGEDDON SCRIPT by Peter LeMesurier.
Constance
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Constance
Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/salvation-outside-the-church
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/outside_the_church.htm
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
7:10 PM
Dear Cgristine,
Please square something for me, what appears to be another version of salvation even further removed from the changes wrought at Vatican II?
It appears to me that Pope Francis has just changed the term of salvation from 'though the church' to now that of some type of 'universal reconciliation'
I call it the Globalization of Salvation.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/cotidie/2013/documents/papa-francesco-cotidie_20130522_to-do-good.html
Please set me straight in as few words? I did read all the links you provided.
Dan
grant
when Luther's right he's right is no reason to quote Bill Hamon or give space to his quoters. Luther wasn't
pushing a bigger agenda like Hamon. everything to do with Hamon is POISON however sweet it seems.
http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-pseudo-christian-form-of-new-age.html
Henderson's oppressive false calm is creepy. Hamon and Joyner are part of the same overall thing.
anon 4:18 http://deceptionbytes.com/RJ.mp3 42:50 time point love and acceptance feel good trance
producing worship the trap. notice the song words. http://deceptionbytes.com/latter-rain-the-outpouring-
of-new-age-doctrine/ "I was heavily involved in the prophetic movement and had my eyes opened only to
re-involve myself with a church teaching a more benign form of the same aberrant doctrine. It was only
after praying a simple prayer and asking God to reveal any areas of deception in my life, that my eyes were
opened. It was difficult for me to accept the truly occultic nature of the teaching I had been subjected to."
New Agers exploiting jihad doesn't make jihad imaginary. they helped create a real problem that drew on
built in potential. living peacefully side by side doesn't mean your neighbors won't rise up and rape and
murder you unexpectedly, as serbs did to peaceful liberal moslem neighbors in Bosnia in the 1990s. 40% of
muslims pro shariah view jihadis as heroes, charities also finance jihad. SECULAR LIBERAL (not "moderate") moslems are also targets of jihad. Joyner and the whole word of faith prophetic movement is not just politics, it is satanic direct influence http://deceptionbytes.com/lost-notes-from-morningstar/
Dan, pope Francis is taking things farther than just that God will have mercy as He pleases.
Paul,
Regarding “FIRE baptism,” there have been quite a few different interpretations over the years (even among Patristics); however, I think we can safely find the intended meaning by looking at both immediate and larger context, and by comparing with like passages. Mark (1:8) does not mention the words “and fire” at all, unlike both Matthew (3:11) and Luke (3:16); however, importantly, Mark also mentions nothing about “wheat” and “chaff” either (Matthew 3:12 and Luke 3:17). This, I do believe, is a major key to proper interpretation. Here’s the full context of Matthew, in which John the Baptist is comparing his baptism, with [more literally] “the Stronger One’s” baptism:
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire” (ESV).
I think we are safe to understand “unquenchable fire” with eschatological judgment. And, I’d think we’re on secure ground in seeing a correlation between fire in v 11 and in v 12. Moreover, it seems safe to regard the wheat as believers at the eschatological consummation of salvation, correlating them with the Holy Spirit baptism. IMO, that’s part of it; but, there’s more.
There is only one preposition (ἐν, en = in, by, with) governing the phrase following. This indicates that “Holy Spirit” and “fire” should be seen as one (a hendiadys ~ ‘in the Holy Spirit’s fire’), not two separate baptisms. In the Greek, it is:
ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ καὶ πυρί
en pneumati hagiō and puri
in spirit/wind/air/breath holy and fire.
In/by/with the Holy Spirit/wind/breath/air-in-movement and fire.
I see a deliberate play on words here. “Pneuma” can mean, as shown above, spirit, wind, breath/breathing, “life-breath”. “Fire” can be for either purification or judgment. Hence, in v 11 “Holy Spirit and fire” describes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and its purifying powers. Verse 12 shows the end result, using an illustration of a harvest. Quoting Darrell Bock:
John explains the baptism of Spirit and fire through the picture of sifting grain at harvest time…[Winnowing fork] was a wooden forklike shovel used to lift the grain in the air, so that the wind or winnowing fan could separate the wheat from the chaff…The heavier, usable grain would fall directly onto the threshing floor, useless chaff would be blown away…Of course, the sifting illustration is the point. Jesus is ready to divide among the people. Just as wheat is saved for the storehouse, so those who draw near to Jesus will be spared. But also the chaff is tossed to the wind, gathered, and burned, so will be the fate of those who refuse him… (p 324).
Constance,
I apologize for not having looked these things up prior to now, in the primary sources, but can you provide the page #s in the books you refer to where they spell this strategy out, or maybe quote from the books the most salient points here? It seems to be a central theme to your research.
The study of this particular piece of New Age strategy is interesting, in that it is similar to the study of Soviet deceptive strategy. Here are some ways they are similar:
-It is a strategy that has been around for a long time.
-It is "hidden" when first created, but at some point it becomes more or less obvious and open, for those who know what to look for.
-There can be other sources found that verify or "echo" that same strategy, and these should be studied as well.
-Events in history will tend to either confirm or not confirm that the strategy is real, and is still operational. However, one must be careful to not pigeonhole ALL events into a proof that the strategy exists. For example, when Islamists attack and behead Christians, this is not proof, per se, that someone is "following the script". Regarding Middle-Eastern terrorism in general, I would say there is more evidence of it being a tool of Soviet/Russian strategy to weaken the Christian West than for it being a tool of the the New Agers as they pit one group off against another.
-It must be admitted that after a long period has elapsed since the strategy was first put in place, world conditions might change in a manner such that the strategy needs "tweaking", or perhaps even major changes made to it. And quite possibly, a particular strategy can be abandoned altogether, in favor of another one that is better. This is especially true of strategies that are quite specific in their details.
-While the specific details of a strategy might change, the methodology of determining whether or not the general strategy is still in play is important. For Soviet long-range strategy, it was Golitsyn who provided the methodology for examining it. And his methodology seems to be quite sound, because after his defection, he (in his 1984 book "New Lies For Old") predicted 145 verifiable events that the West might expect to see happen from that point on if this strategy (which, remember, he had knowledge of in 1959-1960) was still in effect, and of those, within 10 years, over 139 of them had taken place, including the removal of the Berlin Wall.
Anyway, I was wondering if the New Age strategy that you put forth above ("infiltrate the target groups insofar as possible and pit the remaining fundamentalists of each stripe off against both the "liberals" in their groups and against the fundamentalists of the others") is easily referenced on a few pages, or if one needs to read the entire book(s) you listed to get a complete understanding of the subtleties of the strategy.
I know that sounds lazy, and it probably is, but for me it's "Too many books, not enough time". I'm sure you and others here feel the same way! :^)
Here’s more on the phrase “in the Holy Spirit and fire.” I wrote about this in the “Bill Johnson, New Age Christ?” Series, as I compared Johnson to New Age theology. Hyper-charismatics are wont to understand two separate baptisms. Here’s what I wrote, also quoting Alice Bailey, who recognised one baptism here, although with her own occultic interpretation:
Alice Bailey, in her 1937 Theosophical / New Age book From Bethlehem to Calvary: the Initiations of Jesus, quotes Luke 3:16, then describes the two steps in baptism, the first by John the Baptist in water and the second by Jesus Christ “which is that of the Holy Ghost and of fire” (p 98). She further describes this second baptism:
…The baptism which Christ gives His followers concerns the purification of the mind by fire. Fire, under the universal symbolism of religion, is ever symbolic of the mind nature. This baptism by fire is the baptism of the Holy Spirit (p 99).
Those who are or were involved with the so called ‘Third Wave’ have undoubtedly heard the word “fire” used to describe those “under the anointing” (especially from Todd Bentley at Lakeland). Bailey’s use here is referring to the transformation of the mind (continued transformation by Transcendental Meditation / contemplative prayer / centering prayer / soaking, etc.) to expand one’s “Christ consciousness.”
In the footnote to the last paragraph above, I wrote:
Here are a few statements taken from Alice A. Bailey’s A Treatise on Cosmic Fire [© 1951 Lucis Trust (1925, 4th ed 1951), Lucis Publishing Company, George S. Ferguson, Philadelphia, PA; p xvii] which are themselves from H.P. Blavatsky’s The Secret Doctrine [n.d., “Third Revised Edition”; identified as “S.D.”] (all emphasis added): “Fire is the most perfect and unadulterated reflection, in Heaven as on earth, of the One Flame. It is life and death, the origin and the end of every material thing. It is divine substance” (S.D. I. 146). “Fire and flame destroy the body of an Arhat [ED: 4th level initiate]; their essence makes him immortal” (I. 35). “The fire of knowledge burns up all action on the plane of illusion, therefore those who have acquired it and are emancipated are called ‘Fires’” (I. 114). Of what are Bentley and others referring when they use the term “fire” and “fire of God” (as they “anoint” others)? I was once given a cd of Robert Stearns / Jason Upton / JoAnn McFatter / Julie Meyer titled Freedom’s Fire [(link broken)] with tunes such as “Burn Away”, “Swirling in the Fire”, “Freedom’s Fire”, “Burning Desire”. From the same individual I was also given a copy of JoAnn McFatter / Steve Mitchell / Steve Swanson Messengers of Fire [see here: http://joannmcfatter.com/messengers-of-fire/] with selections titled “Contact”, “Seven Spirits Burning”, “Messengers of Fire”, and “Winds of Fire”. One must wonder what is meant by ‘fire’ in hyper-charismatic circles in general.
Thanks Susanna and Craig.
I love you guys, and many others here.
11:43 Constance, it took a long time and my research and activism was not the key it was prayer, repentance and obedience to God and His willingness to show me truth.
Communications management prisons need our attention. I remember Bev (can't remember last name) kept them from moving Guantanamo to IL but now they built some units inside two other prisons that seem to serve the same purpose. I find the statement that these essentially political prisoners are "inspirationally significant" to be eye opening. I don't know why but I thought about Bonhoeffer. Holy Land Foundation trial is the landmark case that allows secret evidence against a defendant in the USA and the case promoted by Joyner and the anti shariah types as significant to exposing the Muslim Brotherhood's plans in the US. The Muslims convicted of using Muslim tithes for helping Hamas are there in those prisons. They are specifically for "second tier terrorists" and "domestic terrorists".
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=communications+management+units
Video reports above
So are they letting us know about it by liberal media, and corporate TED talks and RT? I am guessing this is to keep the conservatives off the trail??? The complaints are that there are too many Muslims and they need to make it more fair, so maybe other 'fundamentalists' or 'extremists' with 'poor communication skills' can be added to the population????
Paul and Craig,
Craig,
Excellent comments on "FIRE baptism!"
It is not surprising that the New Age gnostics/occultists of our time would attempt to hijack the Holy Spirit/FIRE terminology with a view to deploying it in the service of their own agenda. In the Acts of the Apostles, Simon Magus attempted to BUY the "secret" of imparting the Holy Spirit on people after he witnessed the power associated with it.
It is good that you emphasized that there is ONE baptism. The Holy Ghost is included in the words of baptism - Christ's own words - by which a person is baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. The following pretty much agrees with what you said in your comments.
Question: "What does it mean that there is only one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)?"
Answer: Ephesians 4:4-6 says, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Since there are different "baptisms" referred to in the New Testament, it can be a bit confusing when we read about "one baptism." The word baptize always means “to submerge or immerse.” So, when baptism is discussed, it involves a person being totally submerged into something else. Baptism implies being "all in." It also implies that a change has taken place. Baptized people are changed people.
Generally speaking, there are two types of baptism: a physical (water) baptism and a spiritual baptism. One is literal, done in water; the other is figurative, accomplished in the Spirit.
http://www.gotquestions.org/one-baptism.html
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Also.....in terms of what you said about its being safe to understand “unquenchable fire” with eschatological judgment", and “Fire” can be for either purification or judgment. Hence, in v 11 “Holy Spirit and fire” describes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and its purifying powers, here is something very interesting to consider.
St. Catherine of Genoa once described the "fire of hell" in terms of its being "simply God's own loving light as experienced by those who have rejected it."
On the other hand, "judgement" is not always condemnation. If it is true that "no one has seen the face of the Lord and lived, it is because once having seen "the Beauty that leaves all other beauty pain," no one would WANT to continue living in this world.
cont.
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Another association between FIRE and the Holy Spirit ( the Holy Spirit has been described as the LOVE between the Father and the Son ) is to be seen in the Seraphim which is the choir of angels standing nearest to the throne of God. They are mentioned in the vision of Isaiah, Chapter 6 which squares with what you said of the purifying qualities of the fire of the Holy Spirit.
"... I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and His train filled the sanctuary. Above him stood the Seraphim; each had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew." (Isaiah 6:1–3)
The seraphim cry continually to each other, "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory." (verses 2–3) One seraph then carries out an act of PURIFICATION for the prophet by touching his lips with a live coal from the altar (verses 6–7). The text literally describes the "seraphim" as winged celestial beings with a FIERY passion for doing God's good work.
5 Then I (Isaiah) said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts." 6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with tongs. 7 He touched my mouth with it and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven." Isaiah 6:6-7
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Paul,
I am glad if I was able to contribute some helpful insights on "FIRE baptism."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQVUFBQ6NA
Yes, Bev..too bad.. well they lost this fight (in the video above) now now since they built the communications management prisons on existing prisons and they are called little Guantanamos (one in IN and one in IL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mde__Z6hw_k
Joyner said (link below) they added a woman to the Knights of Malta for the first time. I wonder who that could be? A good anti shariah warrior I imagine but I don't dare guess who.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVO1rpc9RWE
This song (above below) was recommended to me. In fact the girl who recommended it was insistent that I MUST listen and give my reaction. I wonder if she knew it was the last time we would be speaking. I don't like any pop music. The song had no significance to me then, I had no reaction. This girl was Jewish, such a nice Jewish girl, her mommy taught at a Catholic university for many years.
I was noticing the fascist arm bands in red in the video. Later I noticed the lyrics....hmmm....what do you think that they mean there? I just can't tell. hmmm...I am ever so sure she meant the message in the nicest way possible. The melody is an old classical song, not very original, it's a sort of same old same old type song...and history repeats. Maybe you can help me understand this message...hmmm....anyone? Is it just a meaningless?? I don't think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE
Re-education Camps - Sounds reminiscent of Barbara Marx Hubbard's riders of the pale horse statement.
Are all Dominion-ists linked? I think so.
Here is a well written piece an the Palin/Joyner connection.
They 'spiritual-speak' in their sermons but mean something else all together.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/palin-pastors-re-educatio_b_283230.html
Hi Anon 4:18,
Is this the same property that Rick Joyner purchased which (alarm bells) John Paul Jackson of Streams Ministry claims has "portals to the heavenly realms".
See J P Jackson's quote below..
"In Moravian Falls, North Carolina, Rick Joyner has shared that he and his staff have had numerous angelic visitations on their property that was once owned by Count von Zinzendorf and the Moravian community of faith. Several portals exist on this land which had been prayed over by the Moravian brethren for over 100 years."
This is the huge danger of those like Bethel that push the comtemplative prayer, soaking, sozo stuff.
They reinvent the name and practise so much to hook in the undecerning to what is newage meditation techniques to awaken the kundalini as new ages would discribe it.
Constance exposed "The Plan" which ultimately pushes this so call "conciousness awakeing" to unite all for the Anti Christ.
Since "anti" means opposed to or in place of , I would suggest that the Kundalini Spirit is the "in place of" the Holy Spirit that we are see being pushed on so many.
The fortune telling women discribed in the book of acts as having a spirit of Python is what I would consider to be the same spirit now calling itself kundalini.
Anyway wait for the next video when it comes out because it has shocking insider footage.
God bless,
Grant
New Zealand
Off topic, but current.
http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_ten_talking_points_from_the_new_enp5021
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/france-invokes-eu-article-427-what-does-it-mean
http://www.elboletin.com/internacional/125844/javier-solana-no-daesh-guerra-irak-atentados.html (should translate)
So how goes the "neighborhood" these days?
Someone thinks they need to get their act together, (and on all fronts) the sooner the better..
http://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/?fa=62029
Still trying to reinvent the wheel.........
What Theosophists teach:
http://blavatskytheosophy.com/lucifer-the-lightbringer/
One of the most slanderous, ignorant, and utterly false accusations that has been repeatedly directed at H.P. Blavatsky and against Theosophists in general over the years is the claim that Theosophy is a form of satanism and that Madame Blavatsky was a devil worshiper.
To a Theosophist, such an assertion is as laughable as it is ridiculous and nonsensical.
Those accusations and condemnations originate primarily from the realm of Christianity and from those of its adherents who believe in a personal anthropomorphic God and a personal anthropomorphic devil, the supposed enemy of that God.
Considering the fact that Lucifer and Satan have come to be viewed as synonymous terms and names for the same entity, it is not too hard to see why our Christian friends have jumped to such a conclusion, seeing as the Theosophical magazine started in England in the late 1880s by HPB was titled “Lucifer” and that in her masterpiece work “The Secret Doctrine” she speaks of Lucifer in positive and glowing terms.
Christianity does not have a monopoly on the term “Lucifer” nor on its definition. The Christian concept and definition of the term “Lucifer” is merely the latest in a long line of definitions and interpretations of this pre-Christian term.
http://blavatskytheosophy.com/what-is-theosophy/
H.P. Blavatsky was never at any point in her life a Christian, gave no credence to Christian theology and did not believe in any type of personal or anthropomorphic God nor in any type of personal or anthropomorphic devil. She believed and taught that there is but ONE Infinite Divine Life which is everything and in everything and that It has no adversary or enemy, since there is nothing but That – the boundless, impersonal, omnipresent Principle of Absolute Existence Itself. She was against the notion of worshiping or praying to anyone or anything. She taught that evil is really imperfection, which is the automatic and inevitable byproduct of the existence of matter.
The Universe is a cyclic and periodical manifestation. It comes forth into existence from the Divine Principle by means of evolution (not creation) and remains and evolves over an incredibly lengthy period of time. Then it gradually disintegrates and disappears, everything being reabsorbed into Brahman [The Supreme Divine Spirit/Being] . Eventually, after the same duration of time for which it had existed, it is reborn, on a higher level than before.
Constance,
Sorry for the delay. We've been without power for 5 days, just got internet back this morning. Massive record breaking wind storm here in the inland NW, not that anybody heard about it on the national lame stream media. Anyway, to answer your question, I searched SS death records, found a Donald F. Keys, birthdate 1924, death date 2008, place Siskiyou County, CA. I'll try to find the exact website link later, am still very busy with repairs and clean up. There were 200,000 people without power since Tuesday, trees and power lines still block many roads as of yesterday, still some 70,000 people without power as of last night.
Anon @ 10:14
You're wrong.
You're dead wrong.
Your assertions are laughable, ridiculous and nonsensical, to put it in your own terms as above..
The very word "theo" as in theosophy, means God, as in theology; the study of God, or the name
Theophilus, as in lover of God. And your self contradictions don't stop there. You say Blavatsky
didn't believe in an anthropomorphic God, and that Satan and Lucifer are not originally from Christianity,..
but they are BIBLICAL terms. You talk about "infinite divine life", and an "infinite divine supreme being",
which you don't mind calling Brahmin, since it's cool to accept things from India and Asia as long as it's
not the one true God Jehovah.
Why does a mouthful like "boundless, impersonal, omnipresent Principle of Absolute Existence" make
sense to you but you hate The Eternal One of Jacob? or The Alpha and Omega? or The Lord of Lords and
King of Kings?
You just hate The true God and His son Jesus. Why not just say that ?
As far as having a working model of the universe, you are shooting a bb gun at the battleship of Jehovah. Your
"theosophy" is a shallow, hollow, childish fabrication authored by a not very bright megalomaniac.
Do you really want to stand by that on your dieing day?
Psalm #2 says:
Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves
and the rulers take council together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, let us break
their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh; the
Lord shall have them in derision.
Get right with God before it's too late for you.
I’ll start this entry with my apologies for the lengthiness of the posts.
To Anon 9:04 - Your observations are very timely. The European Neighborhood Policy has been in a state of decay for some time now http://tinyurl.com/ot6d9mz those signs are even more visible today. I, too, have been paying attention to ongoing EU crises this past year and their impacts upon the union.
For the record I don’t like the framework of the European Union but I also don’t like what I see happening to it. I envision that something far worst will replace it.
Greece’s debt crisis has been a bold exhibit to the world that the European Union is not a democracy http://tinyurl.com/ng6f8tt. But then we knew that for some time as we warned others to pay attention. The debt crisis is not over; it has been delayed. If it isn’t reignited by Greece other nations within the Euro zone face the same economic conditions so it would not be surprising to see Europe’s collision course surface elsewhere http://tinyurl.com/putwv8u.
I have been watching the Syrian refugee crisis with a great deal of interest as we watch the Schengen zone (a borderless Europe http://tinyurl.com/pzcqg6a) fracture. The EU’s policy of “deep democracy” was supposed to ensure its EuroMed partners access to mobility within the zone but has failed to deliver on its promise. The refugee crisis has resulted in the EU placing tough political and economic pressure upon Schengen nations to host refugees and uphold their commitment to maintaining the zone. http://tinyurl.com/ndrkkd5 and http://tinyurl.com/peyet5y. It does not appear that the EU is being successful.
Here are some interesting articles which address the expected collapse of the European Union.
Europe’s Disintegration
http://tinyurl.com/pyf2haj
Slovenian PM: European Union Will Collapse if Leaders Fail on Migrant Plan
http://tinyurl.com/ovmxu8m
Timeline: The Unfolding Eurozone Crisis
http://tinyurl.com/o68zstp
Could Germany spark another war?
http://tinyurl.com/cdcs8eg
How Merkel and Hollande stalled the EU’s engine
http://tinyurl.com/pfw6ep4
The Paris terror attacks delivered an additional blow to the EU. It exhibits the disarray and ineffectiveness of the European External Action Service (the EU’s mechanism for political and military cohesion for speaking with “one voice”). It was the EEAS to which the Western European Union yielded its power. The article you posted regarding Frances call for permanent structured co-operation http://tinyurl.com/prxqmf6 will be an interesting one to follow the response of the EEAS. France and Germany are already at odds regarding their relationships with Russia: Germany strained http://tinyurl.com/oracjuv France thawing http://tinyurl.com/odfg7th.
Constance Cumbey’s mention of the terror attacks is that they fit an element of the Armageddon Script being set in motion. I can’t say how many times I’ve thought exactly the same thing—that we’re witnessing a deliberate instigation of the clash of civilizations. The social cohesion aspect of the Barcelona Process (European Neighborhood Policy) was designed to avert Samuel Huntington’s thesis and to straighten out the clash of civilizations. This social cohesion component was globalized when it materialized in UN Alliance of Civilizations initiative. It was given teeth when NATO embedded it into its military doctrine and it became part of the UN Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy.
On October 19 The Bipartisan Policy Center broadcast a program on CSPAN regarding the Syrian refugee crisis http://tinyurl.com/oxhu4zs. (It was quite by accident I saw this but recognized it as being important as I read the closed captioned words scroll up the screen.) Among the panelists was a former US State Department Representative to Muslim Communities (Obama Administration), the George Washington University Extremism Program Director, the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, etc.
The topic at hand was the Syrian refugee crisis and host nations’ security, humane resettlement and the potential for terrorism being unleashed within hosting nations’ borders. The issue of security was marginalized—it being not a fair of a concern as the bigger issue of importance is integration and inclusion. Then the UN High Commissioner said something that especially caught my attention (approx minute 28 on the broadcast) …
“…the two things I would just say, in general, that they divide between biometrics, so taking things like fingerprints, virus scans and bio data running those through...and I would tell you one thing unique in the Syrian situation is that this is the first refugee emergency where we have such a high level of biometrics. Right now at UNHR we have over 1.6 million Syrians have iris scans--which is virtually all of the registered population in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq. In Turkey, the government is in charge of that in taking fingerprints. We have never had that kind of level of biometrics, along with digital photographs that are part of the system.
The Alliance of Civilizations and Anna Lindh Foundation targeted the EuroMed zone as its start point for implementation.
The envisioned security model of the global counter-terrorism strategy is that of “Shared Security” which is to replace obsolete national security doctrines. The shared security model works as such:
- The existing security models of nations are obsolete. The enemy is no longer the aggression of other nations.
- The radicalization of an individual in one part of the world can negatively impact other parts of the world.
- Nations must collectively combat extremism (the root cause of terrorism) by identifying and eradicating extremists within their own borders.
- No one nation can go it alone.
- The Shared Security model requires CIMIC (Civilian-Military Co-operation).
Up until now living within the borders of western civilization has been relatively peaceful. Times are rapidly changing. With increasing violence how long will it take to convince people that shared security is the appropriate model to keep society safe? How long before we hear biometric identification is the route we should take?
Returning to a crumbling European Union, we’re all acquainted with the rhyme Humpty Dumpty. In the world of global governance crisis = opportunity. Could it be possible, this time, that ten kings reunite to tell a failed European Union “you were unable to handle the responsibilities that were placed upon you. We’ll take over from here”? http://www.weu.int/
Just a thought that keeps resurfacing in my mind.
Paul, In my post, What Theosophists teach: I presented information that I found on a site titled "Blavatsky Theosophy Group UK - The Teachings of H.P. Blavatsky & The Masters." I am not a Theosophists. I found it interesting that Theosophists believe that "Lucifer" is a totally different entity/being than Satan.
The end of the EU is not the end of Europe. Europe existed before the EU and will exist - and will be a lot better off - without it. NB It was NATO that kept the peace, not the EU.
Anonymous 10:14 A.M.
Re: H.P. Blavatsky was never at any point in her life a Christian,gave no credence to Christian theology and did not believe in any type of personal or anthropomorphic God nor in any type of personal or anthropomorphic devil.
Paul is correct. Blavatsky borrowed plenty form Christianity.
Moreover, to say that H.P. Blavatsky was: "never at any point in her life a Christian" is simply incorrect. In fact, Blavatsky can be more accurately described as an "apostate Christian."
....Blavatsky was born as Helena Petrovna von Hahn in the Ukrainian town of Yekaterinoslav, then part of the Russian Empire. Her birth date was 12 August 1831, although according to the Julian calendar used in 19th century Russia it was 31 July, at 1.42 a.m. She was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church immediately after......
....Although critical of Catholicism and Protestantism, and opposing their growth in Asia, throughout her life she remained highly sympathetic to the Russian Orthodox Church, commenting that "with the faith of the Russian Church I will not even compare Buddhism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky#cite_note-FOOTNOTECranston19939-7
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It was not until her illegitimate son Yuri died that she abandoned the Russian Orthodox Church.
It was later after Yuri's death that Helena confided in writing to her cousin Nadyezha Fadeyev of her rejection of Christianity, "the Russian Orthodox god had died for her on the day of Yuri's death." Although, she had never been at peace with Christianity, "there were moments when I believed deeply that sins can be remitted by the Church, and that the blood of Christ has redeemed me, together with the whole race of Adam........"
....Yet it should be noted toward the end of Helena's life, as with so many others, the encroachment of fragments of an earlier religious experience are seen. Increasingly in her writings she used words like the Holy Cause, with their ecclesiastical flavor, phrases reminiscent of the childhood religion which she had rebelled against all of her life. She was humbling her pride to join the host of other rebel spirits who creep back to the sanctity of the Holy Church. She even admitted when in Paris she had in secrecy slipped off to the Russian Cathedral. In secrecy was correct, because even though in her heart toward the end her life her confidence in her Mahatmas and the occult may have decrease or fallen away, in public her concern was to insure the realty of her Masters Morya and Koot Hoomi and all the hierarchy for her followers. She apologized for the mistakes and misrepresentations in her works but not for the Masters who had dictated her books. The faults of the books she laid on others........
http://www.crystalinks.com/blavatsky.html
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There is even a rumor that Blavatsky repented and returned to the Russian Orthodox Church before she died, but this cannot be proven.
In any case, the Russian Orthodox Church certainly believes in the Word Incarnate!
Blavatsky, however, did became a Luciferian. In her book THE SECRET DOCTRNE, she blasphemously wrote:
“Lucifer is the LOGOS in his highest, and the 'Adversary' in his lowest aspect — both of which are reflected in our Ego,”
Source: The Secret Doctrine II; pg. 162).
She then writes that:
“Satan is the god of our planet, and the only god,”
SOURCE: The Secret Doctrine II; pg. 234
Blavatsky sums up by writing:
“Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the 'Holy Ghost' and 'Satan,' at one and the same time... And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon... and Lucifer, or 'Light-Bearer,' is in us: it is our Mind — our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour...”
SOURCE: The Secret Doctrine II; pg. 513
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In her writings, Blavatsky borrowed a great deal (without attribution) from the writings of various occultists among whom was the magnetic Luciferian Eliphas Levi (Alphonse Louis Constant ), an apostate Catholic seminarian who became notorious for his infamous drawing of "Baphomet."
The Sources of Madame Blavatsky's Writings.
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/colemansources1895.htm
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Ironically, Jules Doinel, who was the founders of a "Christian" gnostic church in 19th century France received his spiritualist "marching orders" to start a "neo-Albigensian church," function as its "Patriarch," and promote the teaching of the ancient gnostics Simon Magus ( see Acts of the Apostles for story of Simon Magus )and Valentinus at a séance he attended at the home of Lady Caithness who headed the Parisian branch of Madam Blavatsky's Theosophical Society in Paris. Jules Doinel referred to himself as "Patriarch of the Gnostic Church" under the mystic name of Valentin II.
Gerard Encausse ( a.k.a. Papus ) who functioned as a "bishop" in Doinel's neo-Albigensian church was also a member of Blavatsky's Theosolphical Society but left the society on account of what he claimed to be its excessive emphasis on Eastern esoteric traditions at the expense of Western esoteric traditions. Papus started his own Rosicrucian group which focused more on Western esoteric traditions.
Blavatsky wrote extensively on Gnostic ideas. A compilation of her writings on Gnosticism is over 270 pages long. The first edition of King's The Gnostics and Their Remains was repeatedly cited as a source and quoted in Isis Unveiled.
HISTORY OF THE GNOSTIC CATHOLIC CHURCH
http://hermetic.com/sabazius/history_egc.htm
Anon 5:52 PM
Of course Europe existed before the EU -- sometimes taking forms for the better and sometimes for the worst. Whether or not it shapes for the better after the EU remains to be seen.
Rich
Thanks, Rich.
Much happening that is very fluid right now but what form things take will be soon coming in to view, not later, going nowhere good..
What does Daesh mean?
https://www.freewordcentre.com/blog/2015/02/daesh-isis-media-alice-guthrie/
Constance,
Did you happen to catch 60 Minutes tonight (11-22-15) ? One of the stories covered was about the very popular cashless money of 19 million Kenyans called M-Pesa. With M-Pesa all transactions are handled via the mobile phone. How foolish !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa
Catherine
Rich of Medford said "Constance Cumbey’s mention of the terror attacks is that they fit an element of the Armageddon Script being set in motion. I can’t say how many times I’ve thought exactly the same thing" might be correct. however, that doesnt mean it is a "false flag," something done to you by your own forces disguised as foreigners to get you to favor war. If you want to trash the neighbor's yard, you don't need to do it yourself. Just get some dogs inclined already to do so and let them loose and pull out a couple of boards from the neighbor's fence. that satanists and whatnot are arguing shariah and jihad are dangerous and are decades ago back of this doesn't make the problem false, only means we have additional players exploiting this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia skim historical details and get to application. This says THREE witnesses required I have always read over the decades FOUR witnesses, this may be a feature of only one
school of shariah. It also has loopholes which redefine things like an abortionist redefines an embryo or fetus as a clump of cells. homosexuality is two men having sex, but a boy is not a man so homosexual pedophilia is not homosexual. those your right hand possess are okay for sex, so rape is not rape if done to and fornication not fornication if done with war captives, slaves and maybe hirelings. shoebat isn't the only ex moslem blowing the whistle on this stuff.
islamic countries have most of them an endemic homosexual problem, and in the Victorian and later times depraved men would go to Algiers to get boys. American soldiers in Afghanistan have been hit on by Afghan traditionalists and look up bacha bazi. living peacefully as neighbors does NOT guarantee no civil war, many liberal peaceful moslems were surprised when their serb neighbors suddenly raped and murdered and robbed them in Bosnia in the 1990s. If an ideology and a plan is in play those people next door will be nice till the signal is given. As for a distinction between Lucifer and satan, the Blavatsky quotes show they are the same, and the equation is easy from Ezekiel 28 which begins with remarks obviously to a human king, then goes on with remarks that would not fit a human king, so the king of tyre was overshadowed by the chief fallen angel, perhaps what Malachi Martin called "perfectly possessed." supposedly there is no cure no exorcism for this, perhaps because the victim is totally cooperative, but I think there is a cure, that the human element in this combine repent and move back out as fast as possible even noting and rejecting states of mind and emotion including stuff it had liked, which are part of this.
http://tune.pk/video/3918348/daesh-isil-muslim-massacre-2014june
daesh? looks like that same propaganda video style from VA (what were they called? SITE or something??) but the comment under the video sounds distinctly Knights Templar.
Rich,
Let's not forget some of the occult elements of the Paris attacks, 311 days after Charly Hebdo. See the January 2015 cover of the Rothschild's Economist magazine. That is not anti-semitism, but it's just a fact that the global banking families are important players in the script. George Soros just called for open borders and multi-culterism. Economist had those numbers backwards with a painting from the Louvre-Mona Lisa on the cover.
The lyrics of the heavy metal song being sung during the massacre, with the audience joining in singing "kiss the devil".
There are a number of other suspicious signs and symbols, but this appears to be a mass human sacrifice, perhaps to usher in the COP21 climate change conference, which will now be free of demonstrations. The confusion in Brussels, home to EU Parliament and NATO is also interesting and deserves our attention. Not sure why this is the focus now, but we know these events will put an end to open borders, they will accelerate capital controls, which are already coming into place. The EU is indebted just like the US and these economic systems are unsustainable to use the climate lingo.
We are in for a wild ride. By the way, there was a huge NATO exercise in the Mediterranean called Trident Juncture 2015. It was a bit along the lines of the Jade Helm exercise in US. It got a little attention in Sicily where the people were protesting about it.
A few other points about France. CERN, on the border of France and Switzerland which has the dancing Shiva out front, sign of destruction is built on an old Roman city dedicated to Apollo. Also ITER, is a huge multi-national experiment for using fusion energy which is being collaborated with by CERN. That is also in the Provence region of France.
On the political side of things in EU, the far right is coming to power and it appears that Germany may be permitted to have forces on the streets for the first time since WWII.
There is a lot to be watching in EU, not to mention the shifting alliances with Russia, both in Ukraine and Syria. It appears that Russia is now fully in charge of the Mediterranean. The US's sloppy foreign policy has been easily exposed by Russia, and now Russia appears to have the moral ground in Syria. These terrorist acts will only reinforce that idea. I don't think Russia is some angelic nation, by any means, but you can see how all these events are shifting power and influence away from the US.
Rich,
I'll add one more thing. These terrorists, were a bunch of fledgling pot-smoking drinking non-practicing type Muslims according to many reports. Some got suddenly "religious".
What is more interesting is the fact that all the mainstream media without exception is calling this young guy who did the attacks a "mastermind". Now why would the press seek to glorify some thug, that might have been responsible for the death of 120 people. When we are talking about people who are willing to blow themselves up, they are not geniuses, demonically possessed and perhaps manipulated by social media etc.
The coverage of these incidents, along with the details which we see in EVERY terrorist attack, that they were "known" to the authorities. If they were known, why the heck weren't they rounded up and arrested. We heard this with the Mohamed Merah attack, Charly Hebdo, and other events as well. So it would not be that they are masterminds, it would be that the governments that don't do anything about people like the Boston Marathon bombers are really either stupid, irresponsible or complicit in some way shape or form.
When you bomb countries, create refugees and stoke the resentment against the Western nations and leave your borders wide open, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you will create terrorism and you will have the violence come back on your own country. This has been our ridiculous ME policy for decades now, and there is no doubt it is deliberate. All of the so-called terrorists have always worked for the CIA first, like Sadam, Qaddafi, Bin Laden, ISIS, etc. We always fight 2 sides of the war, as we did in Nazi Germany. There is nothing new under the sun.
We funded and fought Hitler and then took his Nazis back to US to run CIA, NASA, and do mind control experiments on Americans. Our country is so deceived that most don't believe there are those capable of this kind of behavior, but all they would have to do is open their eyes and they would see.
Look up NED and you will see that they were supporting all the Arab Springs which turned into Arab winters. This is a US think tank which works with the State Dept.. code for CIA.. They had NGOs on the ground fomenting the seeds of revolution, just like all the other movements that we have seen. They even admit this in NYTimes and on Videos talking about their work, so this is not conspiracy, this is factual. The results of all the Arab Spring uprisings have been nothing short of disasters and have played a big part of the current situation.
Yes, the dialectic in play-Alliance of Civilizations v.s. the Clash of Civilizations. The idea of pushing democracy on Islamic regimes is stupid and contradictory to begin with and it doesn't mix with Islam, but that was not the goal. The goal was to destabilize all of these countries and start the current chaos.
Rich, and the other anon conversing with him,
I would like to know what your thoughts on Russia are, and how their strategy and actions of late fit into the picture for Europe. They are moving lots of material into Syria, and not just humanitarian aid, either. Syria has always been their ally, and I think they are using Syria as a staging area for... something.
When you say:
"The envisioned security model of the global counter-terrorism strategy is that of “Shared Security” which is to replace obsolete national security doctrines. The shared security model works as such:
- The existing security models of nations are obsolete. The enemy is no longer the aggression of other nations....."
That is laughable, when faced with aggressor nations like Russia and China. Especially Russia, who has long sought the dissolution of NATO and the formation of a new Socialist Eurasian "superstate". If Russia makes military moves against, say, one of the Baltic states, or completes its takeover of Ukraine, or makes some other move toward swallowing all of Europe, what solid, successful measures can Europe take to provide real security against an aggressor like Russia?
For example, would any European country that is part of the existing security arrangement (or any one that might be proposed as a replacement for the current one) use tactical nukes against an invading army from the East that is using them? They had better, because you can bet that Russia will have that as part of their battle plan. They always have. While NATO was still intact and strong and had a real nuclear missile deterrence there, they considered the cost too high to start something. But they are now back in a position militarily to invade once again. (Mainly because few consider them any kind of threat. Element of surprise, and all that...)
Those "obsolete" national security doctrines are some day going to be dusted off and read through again, hopefully before Russia makes their move, because after will be too late.
So anyway. That's what I think. What do you all think about Russia?
Marko -
Your assessment of the shared security model is exactly right. Those who dreamed it most likely had visions of Utopia in their heads. While you and I know that conflict between the nations will continue until Christ's return, the New Agers envision entirely different. Shared security is their alternative to Armageddon.
Regarding Russia -- that's a loaded question and I'm still not sure what to think. Early in the conflict Assad's opposition was beheading Christians and entire villages. I wondered why the US would support them. US policy, as it appeared to me, was one of my enemy's enemy is my friend. The effectiveness of any policy by a future US president seems unlikely and probably will result in damned if you do and damned if you don't. I think it we're at the place prophetically where the troubles are so perplexing that no-one but Christ Himself will be able to straighten them out.
One day, I suspect, we'll see Russia has attacked Israel.
Rich and Marko,
Regarding Russia, it wouldn't surprise me if Russia is merely using radical Muslims as surrogates to do their dirty work for them just as the former Soviet Union used Muslim surrogates in the past.
Rich, your suspicion about Russia one day attacking Israel is a valid one. Briefly, when the modern state of Israel was first founded, Stalin adopted a pro-Zionist policy under the assumption that Israel would be founded as a socialist state. However, when Israel threw in her lot with the Western democracies, this did not sit well with the USSR. The "Zionism as racism" twaddle was orchestrated by the USSR.
You guys might find the following article interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations
Constance,
Thanks for the link to Michael Barker’s article, “The Magical Passage to Planetization” regarding the influence Don Keys has/had on global politics and global spirituality.
http://www.stateofnature.org/?p=7253
While the article does bring many elements together, I do not agree with Barker’s conclusions as stated in the last paragraph. I also find Barker’s sarcasm, while entertaining, to be little more than a subterfuge, an intentional distraction which he employs to downplay the full effects of the “new age” spirituality component of global governance. Demonic forces, (Barker mentions two by name) should not be so casually dismissed as just some kind of new age “mumbo jumbo”, or figments of over active “defective” imaginations.
Donald Keys believed mankind needed assistance from multi-dimensional (demonic) beings if we were to survive as a species on planet earth. He spent the last 25 years of his life channeling these spiritual forces and inviting them to earth via his home on Mt. Shasta, which he believed to be a spiritual open door, or cosmic portal. In my view, the evidence that more and more of these “helpers” are indeed coming to, or focusing on the earth, is borne out by the fact that global governance is indeed forming while at the same time violent divisions among us are increasing.
Perhaps you would care to comment on my own article?
http://oldmanoftheski.com/2015/10/20/avoiding-armageddon-the-un-plan-to-save-the-world/
Dear 4:32 AM
But it does play right into the hands of a New Age agenda.
"Regarding Russia, it wouldn't surprise me if Russia is merely using radical Muslims as surrogates to do their dirty work for them just as the former Soviet Union used Muslim surrogates in the past."
Yes, Susanna, I agree.
And they are the one of favorite change agents for the globalists of every stripe.
Art of War --trauma based mind control-- can work like this: have a terrorist attack in the town you wish to move forward those voodoo science ideas and policies(a purely voluntary concept and sustainable development program that will save the planet and keep us safe) called, Agenda 21 including globalism (of all sorts). These coordinated attacks could then make the sheep too afraid to vote NO or 'protest' (a most despicable unwelcome work as well as a type of person or activity). These tactics can then be blamed on r e l i g i o u s 'extremism' which could be yet another name for 'terrorist', or rather a person who simply disagrees with the change, the powers that be, principalities and the rulers of this world.
So sorry, do go back to your fluffy and long propagandist explanations, don't let me interrupt your moving forward. I am sure it's so much more deeply complicated than this, not.
Anon 2:19
If it weren't for researchers explaining these "propagandist explanations", you probably wouldn't have a clue what Agenda 21--and maybe you don't.
This is an interesting article...
http://technocracy.news/index.php/2015/11/23/the-german-menace-of-islamo-fascism/
KC
Susanna, omots, Paul, Rich in Medford, Marko, Craig...great discussion here in the last couple of days, like old times. Missing Dorothy to round things out. But thank you all sincerely for your contributions.
KC,
Along the same lines, here's an article that I bookmarked a while back that also shows connections between the "Green" of Islam and the "Brown" of Fascism, most notably that connection between the Muslim Brotherhood and Nazism/Hitler.
http://blog.alexandredelvalle.com/archives/96-The-Reds,-The-Browns-and-the-Greens-or-The-Convergence-of-Totalitarianisms.html
Sorry I was "offline" recently. I had a divorce to resolve for a client in Court this morning and we spent all Sunday afternoon in successful settlement negotiations. TODAY is my husband Barry and my 41st wedding anniversary. We had a lovely midafternoon lunch and/or early dinner out.
Will read all and catch up. Working on another post.
Constance
Dear Constance,
Please accept my congratulations on the occasion of your 41st wedding anniversary. May there be many more to come.
Susanna
Constance,
Yes congratulations.
What with your birthday being on February 30th, though, you must be, what, a quarter his age ?
Agenda 21 is the United Nations sustainable development plan for the 21st century. This plan includes dissolving property rights, global taxes, global governance, mass depopulation and anything regarding raping the remaining Protestant countries (mostly the US and Canada) and making them communist just like the rest of the world so all equally miserable countries can melt into a new world order. The idea originated at the World Bank as a 'conservation' idea in the 80's (at least that's when we first got wind of it)along with the obvious faked scarcity of resources deception required for Marxism. World Core/Common Core/Learning against Learning, "outcomes based education" is located in chapter 36. All roads do lead to Rome and hey it will save the planet and keep us safe. Thanks, I know what it is.
The Muslim Brotherhood are just another secret society in the Masonic system Marko. Like B'nai Brith and the Free Masons. The Muslim Brotherhood wear the silly Fez as the others do. According to John Robbinson in his 1790 book "Proofs of Conspiracy, the Jesuits control them all. This is a newer article.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/cosmostheinlost/2015/10/27/what-if-the-worldwide-jesuit-conspiracy-is-real/
" At the start of the nineteenth century, the Jesuits seemed fated for oblivion. Dissolved as a religious order in 1773 by one pope, they were restored in 1814 by another, but with only six hundred aged members. Yet a century later, the Jesuits numbered seventeen thousand men and were at the vanguard of the Catholic Church’s expansion around the world. In the United States especially, foreign-born Jesuits built universities and schools, aided Catholic immigrants, and served as missionaries. This book traces this nineteenth-century resurgence, showing how Jesuits nurtured a Catholic modernity through a disciplined counterculture of parishes, schools, and associations.
Drawing on archival materials from three continents, American Jesuits and the World tracks Jesuits who left Europe for America and Jesuits who left the United States for missionary ventures across the Pacific. Each chapter tells the story of a revealing or controversial event, including the tarring and feathering of an exiled Swiss Jesuit in Maine, the efforts of French Jesuits in Louisiana to obtain Vatican approval of a miraculous healing, and the educational efforts of American Jesuits in Manila. These stories place the Jesuits at the center of the global clash between Catholics and liberal nationalists, and reveal how the Jesuits not only revived their own order but made modern Catholicism more global.
The result is a major contribution to modern global history and an invaluable examination of the meaning of religious liberty in a pluralistic age.
Once this book is out you’ll be able to tell your fundamentalist friends that:
There is a Jesuit conspiracy
It is worldwide
And it’s too late to stop it
There’s nothing to be ashamed of"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE
However the devil always overplays his hand, let's see what happens next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt7tEV2thO4
Nice version. Chris Rice
Regarding the "lying signs and wonders" at Bill Johnson’s Bethel Church...
I’m not totally convinced that the “glory clouds” of gold dust and other apparitions, such as gem stones appearing under chairs or feathers floating out of nowhere, are just some sort of stage magician's deception. Can any of the commenters here declare with total assurance that these "signs and wonders", which would include the myriad hyper-charismatic behaviors routinely manifested at Bethel(and many similar churches), are simply a case of mass hypnosis or group delusion/deception? Is it not also possible that these things could be a very real sign of increasing demonic activity?
I’ve intentionally ruled out the possibility that any of the so-called manifestations at Bethel could be the work of the “Holy Spirit”. From all the evidence I’ve seen, and from what others whom I respect(such as Craig) have noted, all the evidence points AWAY from anything “holy”.
So, until such "lying signs and wonders" are scientifically and irrefutably debunked or proven to have been faked,(like maybe some insider charged with dumping "gold dust" into the air ducts will step out of the shadows and let us all in on the deception), we cannot rule out the possibility that such things could be a very real indication that Don Keys, and many other occultists, have been, and are being, successful in their "work" of bringing "spiritual guides" to earth in order to assist mankind to recognize his "commonality", his "oneness", his "godness", and thereby secure the evolution of the species. Or at least a portion of the species.
To Anon 9:34
Agenda 21 did not originate at the World Bank in the 1980s; it was much earlier than that. It was the United Nations’ 1972 Stockholm Conference on the Human Environment that gave today’s environmental movement a face and political voice. World Bank was one of several institutions invited to participate in the process. Conference Secretary General Maurice Strong attributed the conceptual framework to environmental writings which had long predated the conference. Preparatory committees were formed to coalesce these materials and set the UN General Assembly on a road that would guide nations towards acceptance of global governance. And, of course, as you correctly mention the desired result is one which undermines sovereignty and personal property rights.
The Conference’s outcome—the Declaration on the Human Environment—is the pillar which we know as Agenda21. Agenda 21 is only one of its several names. Subsequent conferences, most notably the 1992 Rio Summit and Rio +20 Summits built upon and further strengthened the process.
The environmental aspect, Agenda 21, is one pillar of multiple intertwined initiatives. That being said, you obviously share the same concerns as many here. Why approach with a smug attitude? Many researchers have used this site to share information. Why not engage rather than offend?
Social Security death index for Donald Fraser Keys is available at ancestry.com and also here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JBD7-H59
Details:
Donald Fraser Keys
United States Social Security Death Index
Age 84
Given Name Donald
Middle Name Fraser
Surname Keys
Birth Date 09 Jun 1924
State California
Last Place of Residence Mount shasta, Siskiyou, California
Previous Residence Postal Code 96067
Event Date 10 Apr 2008
Anon. 9:42....
So far, I haven't been able to find any histories of the Muslim Brotherhood that mention the Masons. (Because both groups wear a silly hat is not proof they are related.) The organization with that name was founded in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna. They had common cause with Wahhabism, which goes further back, into the 18th century, but so far I've not found any mention of Masons in the Wahhabist histories either.
John Robison's book (and don't you just love the complete title: "Proofs of a Conspiracy against all the Religions and Governments of Europe, carried on in the Secret Meetings of Free-Masons, Illuminati and Reading Societies, etc., collected from good authorities"), was one of several written at the time trying to find who to blame for the French Revolution. Abbé Augustin Barruel's book "Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism" was another. I've been trying to read that one as I get time. The latter tried to expose a "...triple conspiracy against God, the King, and Society." Those who conspired thus were called Jacobins by Burruel.
I've not read much in the way of conspiracy works like these, and have a hunch that authors such as these were so eager to find a scapegoat for the ruinous times they found themselves in immediately after the French Revolution that they let emotions trump scholarly research. One thing I find interesting is that in these works, the "evil conspirators" were those who railed against authority (governments) and aristocracy (holders of wealth and fortune). Today, most conspiracy buffs rail against authority and aristocracy (the evil cabal, the evil bankers, etc.), which would place them in the company of the "bad guys" that the "grandfathers" of modern conspiracy theory originally spoke out against! Ironic, yes?
I still am skeptical of the "conspiracy" view of history, as is commonly accepted by the average "internet scholar" - that there is a small cabal of people running the world behind the scenes, who have been there for centuries - or maybe since the beginning of time! - attending secret meetings (that we all seem to know about - both who attends them, and what they talk about) and planning our demise. Apparently they have been planning our demise for quite some time now. What is taking them so long? I do wish they would get on with it - I'm tired of waiting.
I'm only half joking here. I know there are plans to eliminate those who stand in the way of creating a Better World (as the Coercive Utopians, New Agers, Communists, UN Planners, or whoever, define it). And some day, those plans will be put into motion. I just don't think it is going to follow the road that most conspiracy theorists have mapped out in their writings over the past several decades or so. There are so many detailed maps of the future among conspiracy theorists via radio programs, internet sites, and such, it keeps followers of such from interpreting events in a correct light and in the proper context as they happen, because they already pretty much know what is going to happen, and how.
Grant, "Ok with such a hotchpotch of cessationism, post millenalism, weird graveyard comments and other things in your posts over the last few months its actually pretty hard to work out what you believe." The Bible itself discusses these. are you going to style it a "hotchpotch?" I am obviously not post mil but
post trib. post mil is church builds millennium and hands it to Christ. DISPROVED BY LUKE 18:8. I refute your points and you say you shouldn't have responded to me, a "gracious" way of EVADING THE ISSUE THAT SCRIPTURE REFUTED YOUR POSITION NOT TO MENTION DETAILED EXPOSURE OF YOUR DISHONESTY. you are into experience not Scripture obviously to judge by your reaction. your "graciousness" covers evasion AND IS AN EFFORT AT TRANCE INDUCTION THE SOOTHING SMOOTHING WAY. at the least one drops one's
guard. your intransigently unbiblical demands about forgiveness and some other unbiblical nonsense I forget are irrelevant to the points we were arguing about yet you bring it up, only shows how you scorn Scripture and don't like holy anger that impels to action. The subtly hypnotic soothing quality you exhibit is New Agey and so are the impressions Henderson gives. I don't give other people's work as mine as you slanderously and graciously imply when I want to ace out a bad source I go to their source. Unlike you, I try NOT to send people to bad books on some one point that can lure them to more. a page is one thing, a book is another.
While you may win hearts and minds I see right through you. Apparently someone else does also anon 6:44 SAID "WELL IT'S BETTER THAN READING GRANT'S DECEPTIONS or team Christine's rants." as for the information about NAR at the cultwatch sites, it is only concerned with mind control not doctrine or paranormal flows masquerading as The Holy Spirit (common to the whole pentecostal/charismatic scene, crippled in the former by their greater reliance on Scripture). and USES PHRASING THAT DOES NOT RULE OUT MODERN APOSTLES ONLY "SUPER APOSTLES" AND THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. it doesn't list house church or cell church as problematic either. meanwhile "anointings" often track back person to person to demon partnered William Branham, and falling over backwards is a sign of being under judgement not blessing in the Bible.
Anonymous Oldmanoftheski said...
Regarding the "lying signs and wonders" at Bill Johnson’s Bethel Church...
I agree with your assessment.
Most revivals or moves of the Holy Spirit I have been in brought the people to an extreme realization of their sin leading to repentance. In these meetings one could not feel anything but being undone and unclean before a Holy God. Those that were false; were gilded with the flesh where people leaving service often left to party and/or shack-up.
In Bethel services whether fabricated or genuine demonic activity, it remains a circus attitude, with no fear of God whatsoever. Instead we see ecstatic demonstrations of the flesh. Or we see the others with their cameras taking pictures of the manifestation side-show.
So it really does not matter the source of the manifestation, demonic or fabricated the end result is deception, and not true revival leading to a pure repentance and proper fear (respect) of the Lord.
Bill Johnson, either is so loose in spiritual morality, not wanting to offend, he allows anything and hopes God will sort it out for him, OR he is extremely evil and diabolic. I know not which.
This just confirms my thought: Those that would be deceived need a deceiver.
1Ki 22:21-23
Hi Oldmanoftheski,
I spoke with a man awhile ago who claimed that he saw dust come out of a black box in the roof at Bethel pointed to it to the person next to him who wouldn't believe him (notv0 surprised!).
If true I would have thought by now someone would have debunked it by captureing it on camera.
Still we cant rule out lying signs and wonders as the Word speaks of them.
Some of the (demonic) angel experiences people are having is what I find is really disturbing stuff.
It appears to be far to wide spread to be just vain imagination and I believe it is resulting from people doing soaking, holy yoga and all the other practises which are merely renamed meditation tecnhniques designed to get you into an altered state.
Since key Bethel leaders actively promote people look to the new age and occult in their book "The Physics of Heaven" to so call "regain lost treasures" to the Church then it should come of no surprise to see Demonic activity and eventually oppression and possession on the increase.
God bless,
Grant
Marko and Rich,
As you read the following, keep in mind that Turkey is a NATO ally. The late Russian FSB ( formerly KGB ) defector Sergei Tretyakov - nominally a press officer at the Russian mission to the United Nations in New York - wrote in his book "COMRADE J" that Russia's targets are the same as those of the former Soviet Union; the United States, NATO and China.
In 2000, Tretyakov became one of the highest-ranking Russian spies ever to defect to the United States.
Four years later — with both FBI and CIA agents present — he met with Pete Earley, the author of books about several Americans who had spied for Russia.
The result of their meeting is Earley's book, Comrade J, the story of Tretyakov's career.
Tretyakov says he sees the book as a kind of "wake-up call" for Americans.
"Americans are a little bit naive when they say, '[The] Cold War is over, and right now, we can relax.' [That's] not the case for intelligence [work]," he tells Robert Siegel.
Just as in the Soviet era, Russia's main targets remain the United States, NATO and China......read more...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18476273
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Putin calls Turkey 'accomplices of terrorists' after Russian jet shot down - live updates
Turkey says its jets have shot down a warplane near Syrian border
Russia says an SU-24 fighter jet was shot down over Syria
Putin’s spokesman calls it ‘a very serious event’
Turkey releases radar images of the jet over its airspace
Nato to hold extraordinary council meeting on Turkey’s request
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates
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Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead pilots of downed Russian jet: deputy commander
http://news.yahoo.com/turkmen-forces-syria-shot-dead-pilots-downed-russian-143818517.html
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Putin: Downing Of Jet A 'Stab In The Back'
The Russian warplane is shot down by Turkey after allegedly violating its airspace, with both pilots on board believed to be dead.
http://news.sky.com/story/1593241/putin-downing-of-jet-a-stab-in-the-back
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another Russian aircraft was just downed a short while ago.
Russian rescue helicopter 'shot down by Syrian rebels' while searching for pilots of plane downed by Turkey
13:58, 24 Nov 2015
Updated 14:18, 24 Nov 2015
By Anthony Bond
The Russian leader also warned it would have serious consequences for his country’s relations with Turkey
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003
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NATO calls 'extraordinary meeting' after Turkey downs Russian jet
http://news.yahoo.com/nato-calls-extraordinary-meeting-turkey-downs-russian-jet-115205832.html
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Guess where the NATO meeting is going to take place??? BRUSSELS!
P.S. It wouldn't surprise me if Russia's agenda includes undermining and/or destroying NATO under the pretext of fighting ISIS.
The problem in Ukraine had largely to do with Ukraine's leaning towards the West and desiring to join the EU and NATO. Russia is strongly opposed to any eastward expansion of NATO. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin reportedly declared at a NATO-Russia summit in 2008 that if Ukraine joined NATO his country could contend to annex the Ukrainian East and Crimea.
Ukraine–NATO relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations
Here is the kicker.
The Russian president, speaking before a meeting with King Abdullah II of Jordan in Sochi, said the plane had been shot down over Syrian airspace and fell 4km inside Syria. Putin said it was “obvious” the plane posed no threat to Turkey.
Live/ Putin calls Turkey 'accomplices of terrorists' after Russian jet shot down - live updates
Follow live updates after a Russian jet was downed near Turkey’s border with Syria
“Our military is doing heroic work against terrorism … But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way,” he said. Putin suggested the Turks were shielding Islamic State terrorists from Russian attacks, saying: “Do they want to make Nato serve Isis?”
Ankara and the Kremlin gave conflicting accounts of the incident, which appears to have occurred in an area near the Turkish-Syrian border straddling Iskenderun and Latakia.........
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-border-with-syria?INTCMP=the-essential-read-automated
Pentagon backs Turkey’s version of events, blames ‘incursion’ of Russian jet
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/24/pentagon-backs-turkeys-version-accuses-russian-fig/
Obama had a golden opportunity to make a genuine alliance of some sort with Putin AND destroy a major evil in the world by coordinating vs ISIS, and he blew it.
Chances are high that that Russian fighter plane had simply strayed, but it was right of Turkey to shoot it down over Turkish territory.
Thanks Susanna! I didn't even know anything was going on until I checked the news during my lunch break.
This is a great example of the Russian disinformation apparatus in full swing. They got caught being bad, but no, it's NATO that is at fault, and because of this NATO must be supporting ISIS. Give me a break!
Putin is a liar, plain and simple.
And what gets me is that RT, and a bunch of other right-wing, conservative outlets here in America will give more credence to Putin's version of the story than Turkey's. The right is infiltrated just as much as the left.
Putin is not interested in fighting terrorism, or ISIS. He is only using those as tools to improve Russia's strategic goals abroad.
See, for example:
http://americasurvival.org/2015/11/moscows-grand-strategy-why-putin-is-in-syria.html
Marko,
I am glad at least that the Pentagon is backing Turkey's version. The Turks are saying that they warned the fighter pilots several times before shooting down the plane. Putin certainly isn't wasting any time peddling anti-NATO propaganda, is he?
An article at Breitbart suggests that the pilots may still be alive, but things are still "foggy."
LIVE Wire: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Fighter Jet… Flash: two pilots from downed jet believed to be alive…
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/24/video-nato-shoots-down-russian-fighter-jet-on-syria-border/
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By the way, good article at America Survival about Moscow's grand strategy/why Putin is in Syria.
"Turkey releases radar images of the jet over its airspace" near as I can tell, it had strayed over a rinky dink extension of the Turkish border and was on its way OUT when shot, conflict over whether shot from ground by anti Assad forces or in the air by Turks, may have been shot while clear of Turkish border.
All:
I think I need to step back a little in how I present current events. The situation around the world, on almost every continent, and even in the oceans, is very fluid, and is NOT as clear as I might try to make it out to be. What I ascribe to Russian strategy might not be that at all. What I think of as a major threat might not be so major in a week or two, or even a day.
I think there are a few things that can be said, in geopolitical analysis, that very few would disagree with. For one, many of the problems in the world are due to a lack of leadership from the NATO alliance, and the West in general.
One country to watch is Poland. They are virulently anti-Russian, and if Russia is ever going to do something like invade Europe, the "problem" of Poland will have to be dealt with. How that will be done, who knows? I'd be willing to bet that Russia has placed a lot of spies/etc in Poland to try and demoralize and/or destabilize.
With the Near and Middle East, however, things are at best, murky, as can be seen by Anon. 1:00PM's comment. The two branches of Islam are fighting each other, and there aren't always clear-cut national boundaries that delineate the two.
Really, maybe it's just time to sit back and watch, and see how it all shakes out.
Just some things to keep in mind:
--Russia is NOT our friend.
--Putin is NOT our friend.
--Both the Left and the Right have people who are either (a) active agents of the enemy (or enemies), or (b) are dupes that further the cause of our enemies. How and why this happened would take a book to explain.
--The leadership of the West will have to have a huge change of mindset if it is going to be victorious in the coming wars. Personally, I think we have the mindset of someone committing suicide. Malcolm Muggeridge, James Burnham, and others, have written about this in the past, but their warnings went unheeded. The outlook is grim, if we stay happy with the status quo. The "peace at all costs" new age globalistic UN garbage that our policy-makers keep soaking in is poison. Maybe the revolutionaries of the world, like Russia, et al, did not create that poison, and maybe they did, but either way they certainly are helping us fulfill our suicide pact. So maybe you could say we are in a process of assisted suicide.
Thanks Susanna, Marko and Christine for the info. I will read through these links when I get home this evening.
Marko,
How this crisis plays out will be most interesting. I do believe you are spot on in that Russia intends to stay in the region. I have long believed that a major conflict would weaken the nations before they submit to world government. The Alice Baily writings that come to mind is that the world would be terribly traumatized by a great war before people would accept a new world order.
Marko,
Agreed that Putin is not our friend. Trouble is, neither is Obama.
Russia is not a serious player today. It is big but it has not remotely the power it did in the 1980s. Its economy is small and has taken a big hit from the fall in oil prices. Putin is playing a bad hand well but it is still a bad hand. Watch out for China though.
Susanna,
Ukraine has always been in the Russian sphere of influence and considering it for NATO membership is absurd. For heaven's sake, its capital is Kiev and the word Russia derives from a medieval State called Kiev Rus. It might face an ideological divide between its east and western halves but all of it is run by ex-KGB gangsters.
Rich,
I've always thought it would be the same scenario - great war, and either afterward, or during (and if during, there will be a "miraculous" intervention by someone or something), the New Age will come in and set up shop - the "rise like a Phoenix from the ashes" scenario.
I don't think this "great war" will be the three monotheistic religions being pitted against each other. That is happening, but don't think it will be the next world war. It might lead to it, with what's going on between Islam and the West. Aren't the three that are talked about Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism? Looks like that last one forgot to come to the party!
There are alternative ideas out there too, as to who or what would arise after a great war between East and West. Jeff Nyquist's suggestion on "Origins of the Fourth World War" is that an ultraconservative, benevolent but tough "Arch General" might rise up and beat the barbaric Eastern empires back, and we might have some kind of rebuilding of civilization. The silliness of political correctness and other societal ills which led to the West's almost destruction would be abandoned completely. A complete pendulum swing by us to a "warrior" nation (something we've really never been), defending against and maybe even stamping out whatever barbaric nations were still around. Interesting speculation. I think several philosophers predicted such a thing back in the 1800s. Nietzsche, perhaps? I can't remember.
Somebody here posted a link to the deceptionbytes webpage…(Thank you!)
There is an article entitled “Cannon Andrew White- Towards a One World Church” posted there. I had never heard of Mr. White, but apparently he is big into global politics with a focus on the middle east and ecumenism.
http://deceptionbytes.com/cannon-andrew-white-towards-a-one-world-church/
The article is a very VERY interesting read in itself. However, I knew there must be MORE to his story, so I searched “Cannon Andrew White” on Facebook. Yes indeed, not only is Mr. White on Facebook, but he posted the following glowing report of his recent visit to Bill Johnson’s Bethel Church!
Cannon Andrew White writes:
“GREETINGS FROM SAN FRANCISCO”
“I left Bethel CSM in Redding at 4 am this morning. It was a truly wonderful and glorious time. How I love those people and students the place is full of supernatural power, wisdom and presence. There I was on the Sea of Galilee the other day doing my book launch and speaking on G-d TV and the Lord clearly said to me my Galilee today is Bethel the Church and School of Supernatural ministry. That is what I taught about and that is what I am going to share with you about in the coming few days. I am now on my way to Canada to be with my Lina and Rimox. Lina is now nearly 9 months pregnant so does not have long to go. So I will be meeting with her and Emily Multi and preparing some Voice of the Martyrs work.”
I’ve learned through experience NEVER to chalk up such things as mere coincidence. When it comes to global politics and the myriad of false prophets, teachers, and anti-christ personages roaming about, the twain ALWAYS meet.
Looking further down on Mr. White's Facebook page, he writes:
Canon Andrew White
November 21 at 4:59pm ·
"I have arrived in Redding and already I am aware I'm in the place of the GLORY and I'm so excited. Can you believe it I am not even wishing I was back in the Middle East. This is the place where I am empowered each year for the work and ministry I am called to. I will be preaching here tomorrow evening."
Anon 2:30.
Russia IS an important player in the days ahead. There are a few books that have led me to that conclusion.
One of them I just mentioned above - "Origins of the Fourth World War" by Jeff Nyquist. Also by Jeff and Benjamin Baruch is a new one called "The New Tactics of Global War: Reflections on the Changing Balance of Power in the Final Days of Peace". It reads mostly like a transcript of several conversations between Jeff, Benjamin, and Doug Woodward. It's a quick read, and a good, up-to-date overview of what is going on re Russia, Ukraine, and other current concerns.
So is Nyquist the only one who thinks Russia is a danger or a threat? No, but there aren't very many who do. He is not to be ignored, however. He is a serious researcher, and has put decades into coming to that conclusion. There are very few who are saying the same things he is saying, and if he's correct in his methodology, there won't be many who do, because they mostly have been duped by Soviet/Russian strategy, which has been largely successful in its aims of making us think they are weak when they are really strong. (Sun Tzu)
Russia doesn't have to have a large military or be doing well economically to be a threat. There is something called asymmetrical warfare - using what looks like a small amount of resources to defeat a much larger enemy. Nuclear weapons can make even a small foe a dangerous one, especially if they have no qualms about using them. And anyone who has studied Russian strategy knows that they have always consider nuclear weapons part of their strike capability. Why build them if you don't plan to eventually use them? Well, for us, it was deterrent against the Evil Empire who might shoot first. We never planned on shooting first (well, actually, there was a small window of time when we considered it), but wanted to make sure we had enough to finish off anyone else who might, so they would think twice about it, and come to the conclusion that their losses from our counterstrike would be too costly.
We have since lost whatever advantage we had under that arrangement, because Russia has been building up their ABM defenses, and have also been rearming quickly with next-generation nuclear missile technology. We have not. So... if they strike first, and we retaliate, very few of our missiles make it through. Good grief... most of our missiles are so old that they might not make it off the ground! We still have our nuclear missile sub fleet, but Russia has even developed an underwater nuke that can take out everything within 20 km or so from the concussion blast. They can park subs with nukes off our coasts, and take out any military bases before they are even readied for response. Because we don't keep nuclear-armed aircraft in a ready state for rapid deployment, it takes almost 30 minutes to get our planes armed and off the ground!
And when you consider that Obama is dismantling our nuclear forces at a ridiculous rate, while Russia (and China) build theirs up, it becomes clear that it is only a matter of time when they will have superiority, and can demand our surrender without firing a shot. "Surrender, or we will fire missiles at your cites." What do you think our response would be?
Well, Marko, I'm afraid to say I think Obama might split and let the missiles fly.
http://tass.ru/en/politics/838950
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/turkey-has-spent-years-allowing-jihadist-groups-to-flourish-so-beware-its-real-reasons-for-shooting-a6747161.html
Hi oldmanoftheski,
They way White speaks of Bethel is akin to how Old Testament believers refered to the Temple in Jerusalem.
I think many have know idea of the insidious influence and global reach of Bethel into the Church at large (especially at leadership level).
I wish people would be concerned about the spiritual incursion in the Churches airspace but then most of the radars seem switched off nowadays (figuretively speaking).
Even harder to find is stealth aircraft, impervious to radar you have to rely on visual sighting, detection of disturbed airwaves behind their path and a low heat signature
It all has interesting parallels when considering the real unseen war we shojld be concerned with is the battle for mens souls.
Paul sums up his mission when speaking to Agrippa...
Acts 26:18
to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'
Regards,
Grant
UK Prime Minister David Cameron found time this week to write a personal thank you letter to Canon Andrew White specifically citing White's ecumenical work "building bridges with those of all religious communities in Iraq and the wider world."
White shared a photo copy of the PM's letter, dated 17 Nov 2015 and signed "David", on his Facebook page. Meanwhile White was getting "empowered" at Bethel Church in Redding in order to go back and continue his work in Iraq.
The deceived and the deceivers keep chanting "Peace, peace", when there is obviously no peace.
Sorry for all the typos... in a rush
Grant
Marko,
I hope the response would be Go Ahead, Make My Day... you are falling for the other arm of Russian propaganda that the USA deterrent is not credible in the eyes of the enemy.
To the people here criticising Canon Andrew White:
He was a regular Anglican apparatchik until suddenly a decade ago the Holy Spirit got hold of him and he went out to the Middle East and started putting his neck on the line for reconciliation between murderous people at the personal level, all the while giving the glory to Jesus Christ and no other. See his intercession at the shootout at the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, for instance. All the while being seriously ill with a painful disease. Then he went to Baghdad and stayed there to minister Christ to people long after the US and UK troops had left and it was a highly dangerous place, returning to the UK only when directly ordered by the Archbishop of Canterbury for the sake of the people working with him. He is not responsible for the words of David Cameron in Cameron's letter to him, and that letter will be read by many Muslims as a result of White posting it online. As for his visit to Bethel church, he probably knows as much about its pastor as I did until I read this website two days ago. When you have done as much for Christ as Andrew White has, feel free to criticise him, but until then, please hold your silence. I know one of his godchildren very well.
Is it propaganda that we have no credible deterrent, or closer to fact? That is the question. And I'm concerned that it is not as easy to answer as we'd like to think.
Marko: I believe the endtime scenario speaks of a World War III and a World War IV that will be re-runs on a larger scale of WW1&2, ie a "war to end wars" that fails and then leads to the rise of a charismatic dictator who styarts another ar during which he turns on the Jews. Tremble at the magnitude and imminence of events for which WWS1&2 were merely minor fulfilments of the prophecies!
All those joined in the Syrian arena have their own version, of course, as to what justifies their participation in this war party, but as to what time it is according to Bible prophecy, it is a very late hour, with no time left for Damascus, according to Isaiah 17:1.
The birth pangs are greatly increasing.
And sometime (very likely) in 2016, a nightmare world economy will kick in.
Deception is running very high these days. Only the Lord's word will show us what to believe.
Anonymous 2:30,
Of course Ukraine has always been in the Russian sphere of influence. But since the fall of the Soviet Union Ukraine wanted to distance itself from said Russian sphere of influence. One reason is the persecution of Uniate Christians by the Russian Orthodox Church ( Stalin approved Moscow Patriarchate, which, under Stalin was an appendage of the state ) which has been currently trying to make them the scapegoats for the trouble in Ukraine.
Re:Ukraine has always been in the Russian sphere of influence and considering it for NATO membership is absurd.
"Absurd?" By whose standards? Apparently not by Ukraine's.
Joint NATO-Ukraine military drills begin in west Ukraine
http://uatoday.tv/politics/more-ukrainian-troops-will-undergo-combat-training-by-instructors-from-nato-540363.html
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Ukraine and NATO sign agreements on strengthening defense and technical cooperation
Published time: 22 Sep, 2015
https://www.rt.com/news/316237-poroshenko-ukraine-nato-outpost/
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Russia Slams NATO Drills In Western Ukraine
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-russia-slams-nato-drills/27140933.html
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In any case, full NATO membership for Ukraine is still on the drawing board.
NATO deepening cooperation with Ukraine, but membership far away
Sept. 24, 2015,
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/nato-deepening-cooperation-with-ukraine-but-membership-far-away-398628.html
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Nato considers sending 4,000 troops to Russian borders
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11961836/Nato-considers-sending-4000-troops-to-Russian-borders.html
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Now you may ask why it is anyone'a obligation to protect Ukraine against Russian encroachments.
Here is the answer:
BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM ON SECURITY ASSURANCES
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
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The consequence of violating the Budapest Memorandum is that the next time a country is asked to surrender its nukes in exchange for a guarantee of their security, the country with the nukes is going to tell everyone to go take a hike.
I normally wouldn’t respond to an anonymous comment, especially a critical comment, believing that cowards who hide in the dark and throw stones don’t deserve much of a response. However, anon 6:53 will get one nonetheless, simply because of the importance of the subject matter.
Having just begun my investigation into Canon Andrew White, it might be a bit presumptuous of me to label the man a dominionist oriented anti-Christ. But I’m getting closer to doing so with every bit (or “byte”) of information that comes my way.
First off, I am NOT impressed with White’s resume. Yes, the Bible does say “Blessed are the peacemakers”, yet while he talks a good game, and rubs elbows with all the "right" people, White has NOT made peace, nor does he appear capable of doing so.
The word “alarmed” would be a better choice after examining the multitude of spiritual compromises he seems willing to make in his quest to become a major player on the spiritual stage in the globalist new world order.
Second, no man (or woman) deserves to get a pass simply because he/she has a disability, which in White’s case is M.S.
Third, White has clearly and irrefutably known Bill Johnson and been involved with Bethel Church as far back as March, 2011, perhaps much earlier. White refers to Bethel as his “spiritual home” and the source of his “empowerment”. He refers to Bethel as “the only place he’d rather be than the middle east.”
These FACTS are easily verified by White’s own Facebook posts, Youtube videos, and on Bethel-TV.
For those who are interested in doing more research....a short segment of White’s Bethel appearance from last Sunday (Nov. 22, 2015), was posted on Youtube just a few hours ago. White spoke to students from Bethel’s School of Supernatural Ministry at a packed Redding Convention Center. If you want to see the whole thing, you'll have to register at Bethel TV. I have chosen not to.
See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U8pRlq0HVk
Finally, I will not apologize for drawing distinct parallels between the deceptive spiritualism White envisions for humanity, and what the occultists, such as Donald Keys envisioned. White’s praise for, and participation with Bethel Church and it's School of Supernatural Ministry proves White either lacks discernment, or is sold out to the demonic realm. No man who refers to Bethel Church in Redding as the source of “glory” deserves a pass.
OMOTS,
Many thanks for the update on Donald Keys. I had information from a couple of others about his peculiar behavior before going into his reclusive mode on Mt. Shasta.
Constance
Constance,
You are more than welcome.
You have combined two topics on this thread that are of personal interest to me because I happen to have first hand knowledge and experience with both Donald Keys and Bethel Church. For me, the two are/were connected, not just because of geographic proximity, but because of their shared theosophical vision for humanity and their shared interest in occult practices.
OMOTS - great blog I love it. one thing though, "The first of the eight Millennial goals is (and remains) to reduce and eventually eradicate poverty by promoting economic and social development in third world nations. Of course in order to accomplish any of the MDG’s, requires that the most prosperous nations of the world (primarily the United States) fund the development of the poorer nations." Actually what happens here is NOT a giveaway, it is loan sharking. US funds get into the IMF which lends instead of granting funds, and demands payback with interest. Enough of the latter to cripple the countries it is supposedly helping. And demands austerity measures to pay them back, causing more death and misery as medical and other security nets vanish and infrastructure after an initial upswing decays. The only ones enriched are the elites of the countries dealt with. The US funds are themselves payoff of our debts with a lot of interest. "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" is a good explanation. I understand the writer has issues people here wouldn't like, but that has no bearing on what he tells that he did or saw. It is a first hand validation of what many researchers have put together over the years from many sources, a good quick read rather than wading through tons of material some online some in libraries. In many cases it adds up to take the loan or get a bullet. the BRICS alternative bank plans to be a bit nicer.
AND THE SHOOT DOWN http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-violated-turkish-airspace-because-turkey-moved-its-border/5480430
Please don't complain about whatever agenda globalresearch.com may or may not have. NO site has my total endorsement generally. these facts happened to be here. I found it on my Facebook feed. the article at globalresearch.com is from http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/russia-violates-turkish-airspace-because-turkey-moved-its-border.html
The original source of this article is SyrianFreePress
Copyright © SyrianFreePress, SyrianFreePress, 2015
OMOTS,
This is Constance's blog and she has chosen to accept anonymous comments; if you wish to complain then you should complain to her, not me.
I regret that you are pasting Bill Johnson's sins onto Andrew White. I have no interest in Johnson but plenty in Andrew White and he will be judged by his faith, not Johnson's. And not by you, thankfully. It is patently obvious that White's work comes from his faith in Jesus Christ, without whose motivation I expect he'd be in a wheelchair.
Hi Anonymous 5:21am,
It sounds that you may be well placed to be able to talk to Andrew White about Bethel etc.
We are responsible to present the Truth so people can make an informed decision one way or the other... ignorance is not bliss.
To be enamoured with a persons charisma and seemingly good works is all to easy now days but neither does
trumps correct doctrine... what a person espouses must be judged by Gods Word and character not mans .
We a living in the entertainment era which has predisposed us to idolatrous hero worship both in and outside of the Church pathing the way for evil.
We must heed Biblical warnings about deception of the elect and false ministers of light...
Matthew 24:24 (NKJV)
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (NKJV)
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Jesus told the disciples, "Take heed that no one deceives you." (Mark 13:5, NKJV).
John writes...
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[a] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. (1 John 2:18-19, NKJV).
Sadly the scriptures above stand as concrete proof that deception and deceivers will come from within the ranks of the church... to ignore Gods Word will be at the peoples peril.
God bless,
Grant
Grant and others,
Not taking one side or the other on Andrew White, but I'd like to toss in a scripture that I think helps give some balance to the hunt for deceivers that we participate in here:
"Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice."
--Philippians 1:15-18 (ESV)
Some would argue that you can't have good fruit from a bad tree, and of course scriptures tell us this. But can't God take even what is bad and turn it to something good?
Grant, Marko,
Solid input, thanks.
Andrew White’s ministry is based on “reconciliation through ecumenism”. It is very important to define these terms, and examine the fruit of such a ministry.
Perhaps Craig could shed some light on 2 Corinthians 5-11 for us, as that is the key to understanding Andrew White’s ministry and "christian" involvement in the one world religion movement as a whole.
As with the Congress of World Religions (Astana) and the Parliament of World Religions (Chicago), and other ONE world philosophies, White’s definition of ecumenism (as he practices it) is: “A movement promoting worldwide unity among religions through greater cooperation and improved understanding.”
Is this why Christ went to the cross? I think not.
Correction, I meant 2 Corinthians 5:11-21.
OMOTS,
That is not why Christ went to the cross but Christ is why Andrew White was willing to go to his. Are you?
Maybe I am now taking sides? When I see someone being a part of “A movement promoting worldwide unity among religions through greater cooperation and improved understanding”, that raises a bunch of red flags in my mind about what they are getting themselves into.
I guess a fundamental question in my mind regarding the above is this:
Can we be true followers of Christ and be part of something like that without compromising doctrine or moving outside of God's will?
Anon 10:22 AM
That post is a cheap shot to resort to amidst a debate.
Link to an interesting video called "The Russian's appeal to the peoples of Europe."
http://www.wnd.com/wnd_video/the-russians-appeal-to-the-peoples-of-europe
File this under "Russia as the world's savior", or maybe what has been discussed here before, "Moscow as the Third Rome".
Something very New Agey about that video. I wonder who created it?
The power vacuum left by Obama's strategy of disengagement will be filled by ... what?
ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED READIN!!!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/p2rbknd
Please read and comment your thoughts/amens!
Constance
I know if I posted this to Facebook, I might get unfriended by a few folks... :^)
"This" being the article Constance linked to above.
Dear Constance,
Just to let you know that my comment to Anonymous 2:30 P.M. on the feasibility of Ukraine's desire to join NATO has somehow "disappeared."
Can you explain why?
Dear Constance,
Regarding the link to the article about our illustrious media:
I have been wondering lately why my outlook on life has felt a little brighter lately in spite of
everything that's going on in the world. Then I read that article and I remembered that I had
divested myself of all TV about five months ago. I'm really quite used to it at this point and
don't miss it at all.
I spoke with both Time Warner and Direct TV on my way out the door at the time, and when
they asked me why I was dumping it I did tell them that it was because TV is about 99.9%
trash, then after a pause I said no, it more like garbage, when it's really rancid and nauseating.
She said hmmm. I said yeah garbage, all of it. Why would I want garbage in my living room?
I'm not feeling self-righteous about it, just really glad to be free of it. I had become convinced,
and still am convinced, that nearly all the writers of all the sitcoms and dramas are homosexual,
or Sodomite if you will. And all the news outlets are too! Even so called science or educational
programming all has a decidedly anti Christian bias.
But I think it was when I began to notice what was ABSENT in the news and even absent from
ostensibly maverick programming which poses as programs which are bucking the trends.
No one is bucking the trend. Not even "Christian" TV, and not, say, South Park where you
sometimes heard a light touch of humorous criticism of the gay agenda; it always backtracks
into gay-friendly, out of fear no doubt.
And who would ever dare to criticize Islam? No one.
Quite the contrary.
Satan is called the Prince of the power of the air, in Ephesians 2:2
PS
And I'm saving $50.00 plus every month, by not investing it in NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox
or any of the cable channels.
Yeah I feel just a little bit better, at least on that subject.
That post is a cheap shot to resort to amidst a debate.
I think it's pretty good actually!
In case you missed it ... here is the latest from the New World Order (One World Despotic Government) "pope" Francis ... the "pope" that endorses Agenda 21 and the latest Agenda 30:
Nairobi (AFP) - Pope Francis said the world was facing a "grave environmental crisis" as he arrived in Kenya on Wednesday on a landmark Africa trip just days before a crucial UN summit aimed at curbing climate change.
"The grave environmental crisis facing our world demands an ever greater sensitivity to the relationship between human beings and nature," he told Kenyan political leaders in the capital Nairobi, shortly after arriving in the east African country.
"There is a clear link between the protection of nature and the building of a just and equitable social order."
Paul:
Congratulations on your removal of TV from your home.
Except for a brief period of time after 9/11, my wife and I have not had a TV in our home for 32+ years. Looking back, I think that was one of the best decisions we ever made. We both feel TV is one of the biggest time wasters of all time. Not only that, most people don't realize that TV actually shapes thought patterns via flashing picture (and light) changes, which puts people into a passive/receptive state without them even realizing it. This is a classic method used in brainwashing individuals ... modern day movies employ the same methods.
I think there is a serious "SHIFT' occurring within the RCC, being lead by the Pope Francis. We cannot just dismiss this, that he might really mean something else. The SHIFT is this:
Pope Francis has just changed salvation though the church to universal reconciliation.
I do not think it can be characterize it any other way; his words:
“The Lord created us in his image”, and if “he does good, let all of us keep this commandment in our heart: do good and do not do evil. Everyone”.
"The idea that we cannot all do good is a form of closedness, “a barrier”, the Pope emphasized, “that leads us to war”, and “to killing in God’s name”. We cannot kill in God’s name”. Indeed, even “saying that one can kill in God’s name is blasphemy”. The Lord redeemed everyone with Christ’s blood, “everyone, not only Catholics. Everyone”. And atheists? “They too. It is this blood that makes us children of God”.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/cotidie/2013/documents/papa-francesco-cotidie_20130522_to-do-good.html
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!
Constance & family
Dear Susanna,
I'm astounded. I've deleted nothing from you ever and from nobody in the last few days. Most of the posts I deleted were from Christine, and she has moderated her contributions. I'll have to look at my statistics and see what's going on. We had somebody coming to help clean house for Thanksgiving and she never showed up so I had to do it myself, bad leg and all. That somewhat diminished my computer time today. I came down just to post the HAPPY THANKSGIVING comment and then browsed upwards a few from bottom and saw yours. I'm concerned!
Constance
WELL, I apologize to all and thank Susanna for calling the situation to my attention. I went over to the control page and checked "Spam" and found that the blogspot filters had evidently considered many important things "spam." From now on, I'll check the spam box to make sure that doesn't happen. Not just this post, but many others had important comments removed. I reinstated most. Terry Melanson, Marko, Craig, Paul, and several "anonymous" had been placed in the "spam" box as well as Susanna's. Even an important notice from I believe Craig that I would be appearing on Cliff Kincaid's television program one night was sitting in "spam."
My apologies and from now on, I'm on guard!
Constance
Susanna,
The fact that the western half of Ukraine dislikes Moscow is irrelevant to the fact that it is a gangster State run by ex-KGB men. NATO might do well to make tactical alliances with Ukraine or factions in it, but admitting it to full membership, given the NATO doctrine that an attack on one is an attack on all, is simply asking for a third world war - and at a time when Moscow and the West has the chance of common cause against Islam. Is one half of Ukraine, a State never in the sphere of the West and run by gangsters, worth that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRhbs_m463A the next war
http://fightthenewage.blogspot.com/ seven articles on this page and prior articles
on other pages.
Ray B,
Thanks.
Your comment reminded me of an event that happened in Japan a few years ago, where
during a childrens cartoon,( it may have been Pokemon), a large number of children in many
different places all simutaineously went into convulsions. It was attributed to the relentless
strobe lights. The producers of the show eventually apologized and promised not to do that
again.
I'm sure they learned some very valuable $nformation; simply toning it down a little, having
found the tipping point.
I also remember going into a danceclub one night many years ago, and having to leave
there in a hurry because I thought my brain was going to explode from the strobe lights.
I praise God for his day to day protection(s).
6:48 AM:
Why would we ever make common cause with Russia against Islam, when Russia has been more instrumental than any other country on this planet in enabling and training Islamic terrorists for the past 5 or 6 decades??? That makes no sense.
When one looks at Russia's recent run-ins with Islam (Beslan, for example), a good percentage of them were provocations by Russian special services so that they would have an excuse to invade territory, or get the world to believe that poor Russia is just like everyone else, because they have been attacked by Islam too.
In saying that, I will also say I'm quite certain that not all attacks against Russia by Islamic terrorists were part of their plans. When you help create (or maybe better, revive, or commandeer) a monster, sometimes you get bitten.
Nyquist has stated recently that there is some REAL hope for Ukraine to toss out the ganster thugs and live in real independence from Russia. He is in contact with several key underground people over there, and what they are telling him gives him reason to believe hopeful things. The Ukrainian people are more united against their Moscow-puppet leaders than most of us might realize.
The West should do all we can to help them out.
Yes, we might get ourselves into a war. But you know what? War with Russia and the East is coming anyway. The more we can fight it through proxy elsewhere, the less it will come to American soil. And I'm all for that.
Hasn't the history of the 20th century shown over and over again that trying to avoid war through appeasement or talk talk talk only leads to a larger and more prolonged war, with more lives lost? This century is and will be no different.
paul and RayB
(going beyond my one post limit) this is very very important stuff you are talking
about. it should be looked into more. A lot of people seem to like the strobing,
but I can't stand even watching it in a scene in a movie and the rare occasions I've
been exposed to it I find it irritating, maybe I put some automatic guard up on
exposure, I don't know.
Watching TV I noticed that if I hadn't for a long time (and generally I don't) I am
sharp at first, and a strong sense of it being a moving picture in a frame and the
environment around the frame. After a while this lessens, and I have to deliberately
focus to keep the frame in view.
some of this flicker is because of the technology of generating degrees of light or
color in points as the rays hit the inside of the screen to generate them, but some
may be deliberate. The potential for subliminals being worked in too pale to
consciously notice is considerable.
It would be interesting to do a psychological workup of the people who like this
strobing and those who don't. I suspect there may be some differences. Strobing
makes things harder to focus on except the noise I suppose and either you have to
sharpen your brain to keep track of what is around you, who you came with, etc.,
or you just don't care and the purpose and liked effect is a kind of atomizing of
you, isolation yet on the other hand doesn't this play a role in some mass event
kind of things? this whole matter should be looked at closer.
Marko,
Not signing up Moscow's neighbour (which has never been part of the West) into NATO isn't appeasement of Putin.
You ask: "Why would we ever make common cause with Russia against Islam, when Russia has been more instrumental than any other country on this planet in enabling and training Islamic terrorists for the past 5 or 6 decades?"
Washington has done that a good deal too. Whatever tactical alliances have been made in the past, the point is that Russia and the USA have far more in common with each other than with Islam, and that Islam hates both.
Marko if by Russian special forces provocation you mean the Second Chechen War,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War says it was " in response to the Invasion of Dagestan by the Islamic International Brigade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Dagestan shows that this brigade was a
Wahabbi or salafist type operation, not unlike the ISIS goals but more localized.
OK, so I know that Ann Barnhardt can be like a splinter under the fingernail sometimes, but really, is there ANYTHING wrong in what she says in this video? I found it very refreshing and I think it is something all Christians need to hear and take to heart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2ugh_DuYMM
Happy Thanksgiving all! Fight the good fight, keep the faith!
Christine,
Wikipedia does not know everything. It can come in handy to give a basic overview of some topic, but can be sometimes even incorrect in that assignment. BTW, what I'm suggesting is mentioned as a possibility in BOTH articles you linked to, but the writer was dismissive of the idea.
I am talking about both Chechen wars, and how they were orchestrated by Russian special services.
Yuri Felshtinsky and Alexander Litvinenko (who was poisoned with Polonium 210 by Russian special services) wrote a book that is THE authoritative book on the subject. They were there. I'm pretty sure the writer of the wikipedia article was not. In fact, he or she may be a disinformation agent.
From the introduction to the book titled "Blowing Up Russia: Terror From Within" (2002):
"This book attempts to demonstrate that modern Russia's most fundamental problems do not result from the radical reforms of the liberal period of Yeltsin's terms as president, but from the open or clandestine resistance offered to these reforms by the Russian special services. It was they who unleashed the first and second Chechen wars, in order to divert Russia away from the path of Democracy and towards dictatorship, militarism, and chauvinism.
It is more than interesting that two of the loudest voices espousing the above views - Litvinenko, and the journalist Anna Politkovskaya, were both murdered by the Russian government. They were too close to the truth, and had to be silenced.
H.P. Blavatsky believed and taught that there is but ONE Infinite Divine Life which is everything [the 'Holy Ghost' and 'Satan'] (The 'Holy Ghost' is that which is good, and not a person - 'Satan' is that which is evil, and not a person) and in everything and that It has no adversary or enemy, since there is nothing but That – the boundless, impersonal, omnipresent Principle of Absolute Existence Itself. She was against the notion of worshiping or praying to anyone or anything. She taught that evil is really imperfection [the non-personal 'Satan'], which is the automatic and inevitable byproduct of the existence of matter.
Blavatsky wrote: “Satan [imperfection] is the god [non-personal imperfect evil force] of our planet, and the only god,” [or, the only non-personal imperfect evil force in creation] [The "Holy Spirit" is the only non-personal perfect good force in creation and the transcendent light ("God") beyond the world. "Our planet" is matter. It came into existence by way of an imperfect evolutionary force called "Satan".
Blavatshy wrote: “Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the 'Holy Ghost' and 'Satan,' at one and the same time...
Carl Jung, a Gnostic, differentiated between two forms of spiritual light: lumen dei, the light proceeding from the spiritual realm of a transcendent God, [Blavatsky's "divine" light] and lumen naturae, the light hidden in matter and the forces of nature [Blavashy's "terrestrial" light]. Blavasky's "Lucifer" is, both, the perfect holy spiritual light of the "transcendent God" or the "Holy Ghost" beyond matter" and the imperfect evil spiritual light of the "god" of matter or "Satan".
Good and evil or the "Holy Ghost" and "Satan" in creation (matter) are, according to Blavatsky, "at one and the same time..."
To the oriental, good and evil are meaningfully contained in nature, and are merely varying degrees of the same thing." Like those who adhere to most Eastern religions, the Theosophists, joins opposites, rising beyond them to total unity beyond the world.
Brahman is beyond the world, Brahmam is the transcendent "God", and It currently has a duel nature. For a very long time Brahman has been emanating a lesser being named Brahma. Brahma is nature, the world soul and Gaia or Mother Earth and is less than worthy of worship. The New Age religion as well as the similar Theosophy and Gnostic religions, are not pantheist religions, wherein God is believed to be only in the world and manifesting as the world.
Dear Constance,
Thank you so much for taking the time to look into my "disappeared" comment. As I recall, something similar ( i.e."disappearing" comments ) happened a while back. That is why I decided to call your attention to it.
While I am here, I want to wish you and all my fellow commenters a very HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Anonymous 6:48,
Re:Is one half of Ukraine, a State never in the sphere of the West and run by gangsters, worth that?
You do have a point. I don't think Russia would simply allow Ukraine to join NATO without a military challenge.
I think that making tactical alliances with Ukraine and/or factions in it is exactly what NATO is presently doing.......similar to Georgia.
Given the provisions of the Budapest Memorandum, I don't think NATO can do otherwise re: Ukraine, do you?
To 9:51 am
Whatever "VARIATION ON A THEME" Lucifer and his disciples (Theosophists, Jung, whatever/whomever) give us this day/week/month/year, Lucifer is still God's enemy and ours. The Catholics ask as part of their baptismal creed, "Do you reject Satan? And all of his works? Catholics say "We do" as I understand it. Jesus said he beheld Satan fall as lightning from Heaven. Isaiah 14 says "how art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer . . ."
No way to sanitize Lucifer, but "she/he/it" depending on the mode (drag when posing as "the Goddess?, still continues at his best game -- confusion and deception.
A rose by any other name is still a rose and so's a skunk!
Equating Lucifer with the Holy Spirit as some such as Rudolf Steiner did, is the worst sort of unforgivable blasphemy.
Constance
Christine,
I meant the limits I imposed. I received far too many complaints and far too many dropouts from others over frustration. I will continue to at least selectively delete.
Constance
To Susanna:
I'm super concerned about the statements reported to Pope Francis yesterday about condemning those denying "the science" behind climate change theories. I wonder if Pope Francis and anybody else ever considered "Judgment" for colossal collective sins of abortion, same sex marriage, etc. I'm not inside his head nor do I fully understand his motives or whether he is thinking for himself and/or being manipulated by others, but I'm concerned. Barbara Marx Hubbard has bragged since at least 1988 that this is the issue they would usher their "New Age in" on a global level.
Now I'm going back to cooking our Thanksgiving dinner. My son and our grandsons are joining us today.
Constance
Christine ...
The use of strobe lights, and or light flashing in modern media is a technique used in order to set the subconscious mind, through distraction, into a passive/receptive state (also a common technique used in hypnotism). Once the mind enters the passive/receptive state, the mind loses its ability to react and make an analytical decision as to the validity of what is being presented before them. It has been scientifically proven that the human mind can only register a limited amount of information within a relatively brief amount of time. Keep in mind too that this is all accomplished by programming the subconscious. Because the information enters into one's subconsciousness, the person does not even realize that they are being programmed and/or brain washed. This technique is also used extensively in modern mass marketing, in particular in corporate adverting. In conjunction with the "flashing lights" etc. many of the movies, TV programs, music industry (videos), etc. use occult symbols extensively, often such symbols appear very briefly ... all entering into the person's unsuspecting subconsciousness.
RayB
it puts me on a high alert rejective state very irritated. perhaps the distraction
quality is irritating but it makes me want nothing to do with the scene and to get
out.
Paul ...
Just a thought ... I recently read the 5th. chapter of Ephesians ... in particular 1-21. All of the sins that are named in verses 3-6 can be applied to the "value" system of TV, modern day movies as well as rock music.
Christ came to "set the captives free" ... not just for eternity, but for the life that we have here. Thank God for His infinite grace and mercy through Christ Jesus!
Lucifer, THE LIGHT BRINGER, is the Latin equivalent of the Greek word phosphoros, which is used as a title of Christ in II Peter 1:19 (...until the DAY STAR arise in your hearts.) and corresponds to the name `BRIGHT MORNING STAR' in Rev. 22:16, which Jesus called Himself. The application of the name Lucifer has only existed since the third century A.D., and is based on the supposition that Luke 10:18 (I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven) is an explanation of Isaiah 14:12.
If the one spoken of in Isaiah 14:12 is not Satan then we might ought to consider who it really is. In the context of this verse we can see the king of Babylon is the primary subject matter; however, the description given here can also help us to see there is another MAN involved in this mystery. That man, as I believe we will see, is ADAM! "HOW HAST THOU FALLEN FROM THE HEAVENS, O SHINING ONE, SON OF THE DAWN." (Isa. 14:12). Before Jesus, there was never anyone or anything fitting the description of the SHINING ONE except ADAM. Nowhere in the scriptures do we read that Satan was anything but a murderer and a liar from the very beginning; but Adam, he has most assuredly been identified with light. We are told in Gen. 1:27 that he was created in the image of God and after His likeness, and let us be reminded, one of those things God is like is LIGHT -- GOD IS LIGHT (I Jn. 1:5), and also, GOD IS THE FATHER OF LIGHTS (James. 1:17).
We have been taught, and had in the past taught it ourselves, that the one who had fallen from the heavens was Satan, as mentioned earlier, and we were convinced this verse was confirming it. However, it is not Satan who was removed from the heavens -- HE IS STILL THERE! and Revelation 12:7-11 makes this very clear (Ref. Pub. #24, WAR IN HEAVEN). Luke 10:18 (I beheld Satan as lightning falling from heaven) would seem to give credit to the traditional thought; however, if we take it in the context of what had just happened, we will see something else. The falling had actually taken place at the time the seventy were sent by Jesus, when they had cast Satan out of the heavenly dominion he had over the people who were sick and demon possessed. It was at that time He had seen him falling from heaven rather than in the past.
Adam was the SHINING SON OF THE MORNING who brought forth the first ray of light to the world. The Lord of Glory then came to finish the work and declared, "I AM THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR." (Rev. 22:16).
SATAN'S ORIGIN and character of DARKNESS was spoken of by Jesus and should be enough to settle the querying minds of all, that he was never a shining angel of light. He made it clear that he was a murderer from THE BEGINNING and concluded His statement by saying, "...And in the truth HE HAS NOT STOOD." (Jn. 8:44; Diaglott, Westcott & Hort, and Marshall's Interlinear Grk/Eng N.T.). If he has NEVER STOOD IN THE LIGHT OF THE TRUTH, and also, if he "...HAS BEEN SINNING FROM THE BEGINNING," as John recorded (I Jn. 3:8, Diaglott), there is no honest way we can say Satan was ever a glorious, shining, angel of light with the name of Lucifer. If this be true, how then, can Isa. 14:12 be speaking of Satan?
"HOW THOU ART CUT DOWN TO THE GROUND" (Isa. 14:12b) also speaks of Adam rather than Satan. Genesis 3:19 reminds us, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, until thou return to the ground, because therefrom wast thou taken, -- FOR DUST THOU
The above information came from here https://www.godfire.net/Lucifer.html
Isa 14:2 cannot refer to Adam since the CONTEXT is that it is an address to the king
of Babylon, Isa. 14:4 "That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!" etc. etc.
Lucifer is latinized helal which someone (pro mason) described as meaning light
like "the golden glitter of a king's robe." when I read that I thought BINGO! that's
what I've been seeing. always in a context of or on someone with demon connections,
when I knew them or knew about them, no exceptions. a mind scattering particulate
yellow brassy often red bits in it. A solid but mind scattering fuzzy white blinding
not like brightness but like an obscuring cloud also existed where cocaine was part
of the scene.
Orthodox monks with some experience of this stuff report that a red tinge is an
indication of the demonic, and a similar thing is some kind of offwhite often with
darker offwhite brownish tinge around the edges flow comparable to stale pus or
something, I from one charismatic in particular. A friend with demonic involvement
experience in his past said whatever color, the demonic flows and atmosphere are
always particulate, though I've run into atmospheres like solid metal. and definitely
evil of one sort or another.
the evil of the people at issue as it showed in their lives was unchastity,
involvement in a devil worship group and rape, nostalgia for time in the military
and going to a brothel, puzzlement at my nonsexual friendship with someone who
would give me a few things now and then and was generous in general that I didn't
give him any sex, 'witnessing for the devil" to give him equal time because I was
witnessing for Jesus, and other things. A different kind of dark cloud sometimes
showed on people trying to be inconspicuous.
TRUE LIGHT LETS YOU SEE THINGS MORE CLEARLY. the so called "light" of Lucifer is
deceptive and obscuring.
Adam had already been "cut down to the ground" long before the king of Babylon was
addressed this way.
But Ezekiel chapter 28 is the real big deal. Here the king of Tyre is addressed
first in terms that make sense being said to a mere man. Then more things are said
that nothing human could have been doing "thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precioius stone was thy covering" NOT ADAM, HE WAS NAKEN THEN WORE FIG LEAVES THEN ANIMAL SKINS. "...anointed cherub that covereth....thous hast walked up and
down in the midst of the stones of fire. thou was perfect in thy ways from the day
that thou wast created, A PAGAN KING COULD BE PERFECT IN HIS WAYS? "till iniquity was found in thee..."
here a supernatural being is addressed, one in some real close relationship to the
king of Tyre, perhaps what Malachi Martin called perfect possession, and supposedly
there is no cure no exorcism for it. I think there is a cure, repentance by the human element of this combine and retreat from the association as fast as possible
and self monitoring to eliminate states of mind whether friendly to the relationship
or a product of it including pleasures and states of mind enjoyed.
the point is made that Lucifer was the name given venus by the Latins who knew that
it was a planet not a star, planets move. Venus sometimes precedes the dawn so is
the morning star, sometimes Mars is the morning star. And therefore venus is a FAKE
star.
"there is no honest way we can say Satan was ever a glorious, shining, angel of light with the name of Lucifer. If this be true, how then, can Isa. 14:12 be speaking of Satan? "
because satan or ha-satan means The Adversary in Hebrew. he is the adversary of God,
man and of all creation being the source of teaching that the creation is not good
as God said it was but that matter is inferior and evil and unclean in and of itself
and spirit is good when in fact all evil begins at the level of spirit, which acts
through matter, choosing either good or evil.
the Lucifer character in the OT is clearly something once glorious now struck down
for having done evil, something deceptively glorious and powerful in appearance
but capable of being defeated something that brings ruin to others and something
in which is iniquity. They are clearly the same.
Susanna,
The Budapest Memorandum was crazy. I can only say that I'd not go to war vs Russia for Ukraine - although if I war in power I'd keep that fact very quiet.
Dear Constance
Have you a reference for Pope Francis criticising "climate change deniers" please?
Physicist
"Christine,
I meant the limits I imposed. I received far too many complaints and far too many dropouts from others over frustration. I will continue to at least selectively delete.
Constance"
@ 11:22 AM
That's 3x after Constance already warned you earlier today.
Do you attend Bethel Church services Ms Erikson? Because your experiences seem like they might fit in there.
Dan Bryan said @ 11:18 PM, quoting "pope" Francis:
"The Lord redeemed everyone with Christ’s blood, “everyone, not only Catholics. Everyone”. And atheists? “They too. It is this blood that makes us children of God”.
Prior to this, he infamously claimed "gays that do good" go to heaven ... and "atheists" do as well.
Francis vs. God's Word ...
"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6 It is IMPOSSIBLE for atheists to please God ... not so according to this "pope."
"I am the way, the truth and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me." John 14:6 Note: without Christ, no man is justified ... no matter how many "good" works they do, because they seek their OWN righteousness, rather than that which can be found in Christ alone.
"No man can come unto me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 NOTE: coming to Christ in true faith requires an act of God's sovereign grace, without which NO MAN can come to Christ.
Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13,14 NOTE: the way to destruction is a broad way that MANY are on. The way to LIFE is a strait and narrow way, and FEW there be that find it.
The pope clearly states that the way to "life" eternal is a BROAD WAY (the exact opposite of Scripture) that doesn't even require faith in Christ! This man is a blasphemer, deceiver and heretic ... there is no other conclusion that can be drawn.
Constance,
I am not inside Pope Francis' head either, but I have read reports to the effect that he is being badly advised as well as misrepresented.
Re:. I wonder if Pope Francis and anybody else ever considered "Judgment" for colossal collective sins of abortion, same sex marriage, etc.
Bill Donohue, who is President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights tends to agree with you.
Bill Donohue: Pope's Flock May Not Heed 'Climate Change' Concerns
By Bill Hoffmann | Monday, 08 Jun 2015
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Bill-donohue-catholic-league-pope-francis-climate-change/2015/06/08/id/649426/
Cristine @ 1:42 PM
What drugs are you under the influence of that make you see such things and why in the world would you think that this "sharing" of yours is helpful for anyone here?
Plus you're past your posting limit and length anyway.
To Anonymous 1:42
I didn't like the length of Christine's post, but I'll be the judge of that and your comment about "drugs" was totally uncivil and unnecessary.
Constance
Susanna,
Thanks for your 10:06 comment. I have a great deal of respect for Bill Donohue's work, just as I have for yours.
Constance
Ray B,
The mistake, (if it's a mistake and not deception), comes when they read that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
Because Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world, but what that means is that his sacrifice and his blood is enough
to cover the sins of the whole world, and that anyone in the world, while they are still alive, can be saved if they only make
Jesus their Lord and savior by repentance and believing in the one whom God sent; his only begotten son.
Pope Francis with his pronouncement has clearly wandered off the reservation.
News just in at the BBC:
COP21: Pope's adviser urges Catholics to join climate marches
The Pope's closest adviser on ecology has urged Catholics to join global climate marches planned for Sunday.
In an internal letter to bishops, Cardinal Peter Turkson says people should be "encouraged" to exercise their "ecological citizenship".
The letter says that climate negotiators meeting in Paris need to hear the voice of "God's people".
Activists say the call is evidence of a step-change in the Church's approach to climate change.
Major demonstrations across the world have been planned to mark the start of the global climate conference, known as COP21
Full report here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34948805
~ K ~
Constance,
Thanks for the video's from Mr Strom. Its good that someone is helping to make people aware of certain 'goings on' related to this Kundalini business. I have issues with the Charismatic movement just from knowledge of the negative impact of it regarding locals who got involved some 20 or so years ago. Good intentions and all that, I don't think some are aware of exactly what its tied to.
I know this next link is not tied with this post from you but just read this on Barbara Marx Hubbards twitter page, posted by her about an hour ago:https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153249055433870&id=114937958869 I don't even think I'm shocked to see here that a French Govt official is on board and 'helping out' with this new App created especially for the Paris Climate Change meeting beginning tomorrow named AMPLIFIELD. And here is the site - http://www.amplifield.com/ and of course we know that 'they' (all Barb's likeminded crowd) will be seriously honing in on this to try to create the 'shift' they are after.
Just wanted to fill you in.
Cheers from OZ.
And one more link to Barb Marx Hubbards upcoming events Constance: http://archive.aweber.com/conversationcen/APec1/h/12_Week_Webinar_.htm
Just highlighting a couple of sentences here: " We will explore unique evolutionary perspectives on the Gospels, Acts, and Epistles. We will bring to life our potential to embody the living Christ now that we have the power to heal and transform ourselves and the world with powers we use for good. "
Just can't get over this woman or her buddies.............
From OZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wul_zsmBHNM&feature=youtu.be
Barb M Hubbard on this latest book of hers............OMG.
From OZ
Paul,
I agree with you, but, I do think this is all part of a concerted effort on their part to head up the coming One World Religion. In order to have a One World Religion, which the Papacy will lead, the Christ of the Bible needs to be diminished and substituted with the false "christ" that accepts EVERYONE (except of course Bible believers). As a reminder; during the pope's recent visit to America (and Cuba), the ONLY time he actually brought up the name of Jesus Christ was during a homily in which he proclaimed Christ's "failure of the cross." The appeal being made to "gays" and "atheists" makes the pope VERY popular with the sinful WORLD because the message is "you don't have to believe and repent" ... you can "continue in your sin and unbelief and still go to heaven." Christ said: "Verily, verily I say unto you; except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." What a contrast! For decades, Rome has also played a major role in world-wide ecumenism by bringing all the leaders of the world's false religions to the Vatican.
Rome is also promoting the "Climate Change crisis" scam ... knowing full well that the REAL goal behind the Climate Change movement is Global Government. Undoubtedly, the Vatican is seeking to play a major role in the coming One World Government.
REtiring for the night -- didn't get near the blog today, although I had a pleasant phone call from a New Zealand reader, Grant.
Will be doing radio program in morning (or later this morning, as it is very late now). Join us at 7 a.m. Pacific time, 10 a.m. Eastern time at TMERadio.com.
Constance
P.S.
THANKS for the information on the Barbara Marx Hubbard youtube -- she is bringing out the same ugly information she put forth in her earlier writings where the channeled spirits told her "we come to bring death, we do this for the sake of the planet . . ."
I'll be sharing some of this in the program.
Constance
http://shoebat.com/2015/11/27/major-pagan-leaders-declare-we-will-slaughter-all-christians-we-will-create-a-river-of-blood-and-a-giant-mountain-of-christian-corpses/
This is totally predictable from the research I did online in the AD 2000s. Reconstruction paganism is the most dangerous, because it uses ancient history and archaeology to recreate the "religions" and society and lifestyle of ancient Celts, Druids, Aztec, and pre Christian slavs and a Canaanite Reconstructionism exists also. These were violent cultures that did human sacrifice, and a drumbeat for decades of Christians persecuted their ancestors and that one should supposedly stay with the gods of a culture or location or ethnics group's ancestors has been going on since before I started the research. The potential of the little I read was pretty obvious. The pagans in Greece now getting violent are Reconstructionist. Greece accepted Greek paganism as a legal religion, alongside Christianity, Islam and Judaism, several years ago, after which many fires broke out, which I figured was the wrath of God.
Roger Buck, an American writer now living in Ireland who was heavily involved in the New Age movement for many years, has written a new book called "The Gentle Traditionalist" which may be of interest to readers of this blog:
http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2015/11/praise-for-the-gentle-traditionalist/
The rest of Roger's blog (which he co-authors with his wife, Kim) is well worth exploring. He was involved heavily at one time with Findhorn, theosophy, and Anthroposophy before conversion to Catholicism; one of his commenters linked to Craig's blog awhile back:
http://corjesusacratissimum.org/2009/08/on-the-hidden-unity-of-aquarius/
Constance Cumbey said...
P.S.
"THANKS for the information on the Barbara Marx Hubbard youtube -- she is bringing out the same ugly information she put forth in her earlier writings where the channeled spirits told her "we come to bring death, we do this for the sake of the planet . . ."
Not ONE in a THOUSAND people even know who Barbara Marx Hubbard is. Outside of New Age nutcase movement, she has virtually no influence at all. Yet, "pope" Francis AND the Vatican have enormous influence and recognition world wide. When the "pope" appointed a Climate Change lunatic to a very important Pontifical post, THAT is news. Why? The "pope's" environmental "expert" believes that earth's population NEEDS TO BE REDUCED by 6 BILLION people!!
Here's the REAL story about how a VERY influential "pope" that is all part of the same agenda that Barbara Marx Hubbard pushed:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/17/pope-francis-appoints-population-control-extremist-to-vatican-post/
It is time to wake up and see what the Vatican is really up to.
Thanks for calling it as you see it RayB, because the distractions can be so much, from so many directions, as to obscure the view to the slight of hand that is really going on by smiling, seemingly harmless, christian do-gooders at the very top of the global food chain.
There are many "angels of light" out there in this very deceptive age and we can only spot them by letting the word of God, and not our built in favoritisms, show us what is what and who is who.
In this world full of new age bent thinking there are many out there who write and speak just like Christine Erikson does in her post above about the demonic realm (one of her favorite themes). I know this personally, because sadly, I have drug-involved family members who literally use the same lingo as she does, seeing things that aren't seen except through the portals in the mind opened by those substances, full of ideas that are based in unreality and actual evil. Her posts from thread to thread have so often taken the subjects put forth for our education into the very weird and warped of this underbelly topic, under the guise of passing "information" that she must teach us. Very distracting from what needs to be known without the hype of her "details". Something is really wrong with this picture.
Do you mean to tell me that we shouldn't be spotting the promotion of new age ideas that come all to frequently through her posts?
Perhaps phrasing the subject differently is what you mean, but her subject matter itself needs to be seen for what it is.....the new age seeking to poison the mainstream. She uses many tactics to accomplish this right here on an anti-new age blog.
Why approach with a smug attitude? Many researchers have used this site to share information. Why not engage rather than offend?
11:05 PM
Most use to indoctrinate and deceive and misinform. Christians are offensive, the world hates us as do the deceivers of this blog. I, a complete nobody, can't fix that or are you suggesting I try t be more ecumenical?
IsIs is fake, it's a false flag theater/circus operation outfit created by the multiple, multi-national intel agencies used by Anti Christ in order to harness incrementalism and pull their enemy in the direction they want them to go. The direction is racism/race wars and hatred of Muslims, immigrants, fundamentalism, so-called extremism and so-called terrorism all CODE WORDS for non-Lucifarians...it's what Palmer called SPIRITUAL RACISTS --- those who will never bow to the anti Christ or fall for the deception. ALL NATIONS have plotted against God and gotten in bed with the bad guys. Knowing is much healthier than understanding.
K at 8:04 P.M.
Abortion and death penalty come before climate change for church, Vatican official says
Papal adviser Cardinal Peter Turkson says personal issues of life and death still come first despite pope’s call for climate action
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/abortion-and-death-penalty-come-before-climate-change-for-church-vatican-official-says
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In another article Cardinal Turkson said:
Turkson said the pope was "compelled by the scientific evidence for climate change," and the cardinal pointed to the synthesis report of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. That study, released last November, found climate change is happening and it ' s almost entirely man's fault. Turkson acknowledged disagreement over the panel's findings but said "for Pope Francis, however, that is not the point." The cardinal said Francis was concerned with affirming "a truth revealed" in Genesis 2:15 on the sacred duty to till and keep the earth.
"He is not making some political comment about the relative merits of capitalism and communism. He is rather restating ancient biblical teaching," Turkson said. "He is pointing to the ominous signs in nature that suggest that humanity may now have tilled too much and kept too little........"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/10/pope-francis-climate-change--encyclical_n_6843424.html
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Climategate Still The Issue as Carbon Pope Lauds Corrupt Climate Science
By Harold Saive on September 28, 2015
The deliberate corruption of climate science and abandonment of the scientific method is an irrefutable scandal of public record.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/28/climategate-still-the-issue-as-carbon-pope-lauds-corrupt-climate-science/
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From this past September.........
The Climate Skeptic’s Guide To Pope Francis’ U.S. Visit
Written by Marc Morano, Climate Depot on 22 September 2015.
http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/the-climate-skeptic-s-guide-to-pope-francis-u-s-visit.html
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Needless to say, I for one will not allow myself to be manipulated by the radical left into thinking that the "voice of God's people" is ONLY the "voice of God's people" when it "toes the party line" - whose current "flavor du jour" is "climate change."
I will also be exercising my "ecological citizenship"........... by NOT participating in any "global climate marches" planned for Sunday.
When all is said and done, I can't help but wonder if Pope Francis has ever been fully - and fairly - advised about Climategate and the bogus manmade data that went into producing this so-called "settled science" that the allegedly corrupt IPCC is peddling. A "science" that is actually a coercive Marxist wealth redistribution scheme in drag.
On one side of the dialectic we have the Alice Bailey types, the true believers and facilitators of the so-called "plan" which calls for the "Big 3" monotheistic faiths to knock each other off so that an interfaith theosophical commonality can emerge, or, to put it another way, helping to achieve a tipping point where "mankind evolves into a god" and gets rid of all those who don't (or can't, or won't) make the final evolutionary spiritual leap.
On the other side of the same diabolical coin, we have the compromisers, the ecumenists, all those who are working towards "peace" through tolerance and understanding between all faiths, but especially between the Big 3. These are those who consider the highest good to be working towards a global ethic, a "commonality", which they define in practice as the establishment of universal rules governing religious behavior and social tolerance. Again, as with the Bailey plan, "fundamentalism" of any persuasion is the enemy. Rick Warren's "Peace Plan" and Canon Andrew White's "Alexandria Process" are prime examples of how the gospel has been redefined for the new world order.
I find it VERY interesting that even peacenik Andrew White, (the absolute "reconciler of all reconcilers") has called for a war against ISIS, those barbaric Islamists who have risen up (or been raised up) as an example of the worst kind of fundamental extremism which the world (Russia, France, the US, the UN, etc.) can conveniently unite against.
Since she's so in the news these days, I would just abbreviate her name
to B.M. Hubbard.
One would think that Pope Francis would have much more discernment than he shows in such stances no matter who advises him. And how can he oversee appointments of such radicals as have been widely reported to advice him in addressing these issues and then call upon the faithful to simply buy in?
Susanna, thanks for your comeback. You are a blessing here for your own discernment in this matter because obviously the truth is more important to you than a mere preference of denomination. Oh that others would set aside their own preconceived notions, in whatever religious affiliation, for seeking and discerning the truth and see the deeply destructive ramifications in allowing what is globally vogue these days. People have wandered far from the Bible, which shows us the mandates God set for the world, in exchange for man made answers, with leadership to encourage the "settled science" rather than the settled Word of God.
Speaking of Alice Bailey types...Mo Strong is dead.
http://www.unep.org/newscentre/Default.aspx?DocumentID=26854&ArticleID=35597&l=en
Definitely 2 sides of the same coin, as you are saying, OMOTS.
Pope Francis is not a scientist but he remains responsible for his words and he is being badly advised over climate change. I call on Catholics, protestants, secular people alike to ask him how come if this is a danger then it hasn't got warmer for nearly 2 decades even as CO2 levels continue to increase as China and India industrialise?
Physicist
Maurice Strong: Father of climate paranoia and advocate of global governance,
and Face of the United Nations who suddenly hightailed it to China in the midst of
a scandal, and hid there for years before returning to the U.S. to continue his work
tearing down the U.S. Dollar in order to pave the way for his mentor Rothschild's
dream of a One World Bank and one world currency under Global Governance,
has died.
But I can't find how he died, just that he was 86, as if that's all the reason anyone
needs to die. All I can find is a few highly produced PR releases and the comments
from numerous luminaries which amount to hero worship, comments and reflections
which seem to have been pre prepared for just this sad day.
I think we may have a new god on our hands, just in time for this year's really big
sheow on Global Climate Fear / Global Taxation.
Happy Non Religious Special Time Of Year everyone !
I propose we change the name of it to Strong's Day.
Anonymous 11:21,
"many out there who write and speak just like Christine Erikson does in her post above about the demonic realm (one of her favorite themes)."
I post about many other things.
"I have drug-involved family members who literally use the same lingo as she does"
So I can speak the language any of them reading it gets the information in their own language. "seeing things that aren't seen except through the portals in the mind opened by those substances," some of this stuff is partly visible to some without such things "full of ideas that are based in unreality and actual evil."
AND YOU COULD USE THE INFORMATION I HAVE GIVEN TO TURN THEM OFF THIS STUFF, BECAUSE THE NEW AGERS THINK A GOLDEN AURA INDICATES THE HIGHEST SPIRITUAL LEVEL WHEN IT DOES NOT. mix this with the Bible information showing Lucifer and satan are the same, the luciferic style being a deception whether soothing or exciting, and they might realize that this stuff is evil there is a war on for their souls and that the Bible is best basis for discernment, a touchstone of truth, and Jesus Christ is the overlord. But with all their involvement it might not be something they can get rid of that easily, they may have a spiritual fight on their hands for a long time.
"Something is really wrong with this picture." yeah, you. your reaction is exactly the kind of fire I draw whenever I post something that can really hurt the occultic as distinct from political side of the New Age. But maybe you are a witch yourself, and upset with information I am giving that might make your students rethink and reject you?
until I got wise I couldn't understand why people who were calming and nice to be around, but also evil in some ways had the same soft golden glow as RC art puts on Jesus Christ. The original showing of halos was highly artificial and nothing you would see or expect to see. I THINK WHOEVER STARTED THAT TYPE OF GLOW LOOK IN RC ART WAS DECEIVING ON PURPOSE.
most of "paranormal sight," when it isn't done from a distance but only regarding what is in front of you, depends on peripheral vision which has a whole other set of cells in the retina. senstivity a bit farther into IR and UV than the rest of the eye and some see farther than others. The normal human retina reflects red, without a reflective tapidum lucidum behind the retina like nocturnal eyes do. But you will see WHITE reflex instead of red in many photos. Such people aside from astigmatism or retinal detachment or cataracts have BETTER NIGHT VISION or faster adaptation to the dark than red retina people. WHETHER THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH "PARANORMAL VISION" CAPABILITY OR NOT I DON'T KNOW. anecdotal evidence out of Africa, compared with the experiences of people I know, shows that the smallpox shot shuts the ability down, or limits it, depending on the age the shot was given. My own ability is limited. And I don't go out of my way to use it, because visual thinking and visual memory style complicates it. If something is pretty obvious I notice it. And I consider an indication of trouble. NOT ALL TROUBLE SHOWS LIKE THIS. But this look is what has the reputation of wonderfulness. particulate instead of solid look is typical regardless of color of the demonic, but I have run into things that are hard dark and not obviousy particulate.
I apologize for this second post same day and lengthiness but this needed answering. Now I will shut up for a while.
Back to the MK ultra kids and the Franklin Case: The kids were taught to seduce top scientists as well as politicians. Hmmm...
I once read an article that I can't find now, there are climate change advocates, yes but out of a possible 35 thousand world scientists there are ONLY about 2500 that agree with lies.
B.M Hubbard LOL hahahahah
http://drleonardcoldwell.com/?s=vatican+speaker+and+&x=0&y=0
Mocking the Holy Trinity?
Earth Constitution (since the UN charter violates the US Constitution 15 ways how can this one be any worse?), The Global Council, The Planetary Court?
When you draw a final conclusion the occult and the new age both heavily presume upon each other because from the same source.
Fight it, don't highlight it (if you really mean to do that in the first place)...........
Constance, and others do, without the gratuitous, unhelpful, "knowledge" you post, Christine.
By the way, it is notable that 2 of those drug-involved in my family, use legal prescription drugs, the others are using an assortment of illegal substances. The Greek word pharmakia, where we get the word pharmacy in English, means sorcery.
No wonder their minds have been opened and altered to the paranormal and have beliefs that have turned from traditional belief to new age concepts (but still attend "church").
I would echo 1:05PM's admonition that we all "set aside their own preconceived notions, in whatever religious affiliation, for seeking and discerning the truth and see the deeply destructive ramifications in allowing what is globally vogue these days". Well said! And I would also agree that Susanna has been a great example of someone who can do just that.
Jesus Christ and his church (in whatever form it takes - denomination, non-denomination, underground church cell, etc) is under attack from all directions, and we'd better start getting on board the Ship of Fools for Christ, and sail out into the waters of Who Cares What The Rest Think, and start doing battle against the enemy, and take no prisoners! (Let them be prisoners of Christ, taken captive by His Spirit...)
There are many ships attacking us, but only ONE ship for us. Let's not hear the crew squabbling among ourselves, yes? When Christ returns, does He want to find that going on? Ugh. What a waste of time!
I just watched a very interesting video. Toward the end the question is asked, well, what can we do about this? It's easy to get discouraged and think you can do nothing, that the New Age is coming anyway, so why fight it, or America is going to be judged, so why do anything, and on and on the excuses go. Yes, excuses. It doesn't MATTER that all these things appear to be happening or may soon happen. You still have a responsibility to DO WHAT YOU CAN within the circle of influence that God Himself has placed you in. Do you want to stand before Him someday and try to give Him excuses? I sure don't. I'm already pretty scared of what He's going to say about how much time I've let slip by and wasted on things that really don't matter.
In case you are interested, I highly recommend watching this video. It focuses on some of the crap going on the Catholic Church. I am not a Catholic, but as I watched the video, the sense that these are my brothers and sisters in Christ under attack was so real. Catholic, Protestant, Jew - if you are a follower of Christ and His Word then you are in it together, all of you! The time is short, people. Stop squabbling and unite in the faith against the biggest "unite" campaign in history organized by the enemy. The enemy always seeks to divide and conquer. Don't let him succeed.
Link to video "Update Brazil"... watch update #11:
http://tercalivre.com/en/
Lots of good info in 60 minutes.
It's about Communism attacking the Church, but the attacks are happening under a variety of names - New Age, Communism, Secularism, Humanism, Social Justice, corruption...and many more. This blog, thankfully, focuses on the New Age angle. (None other I know of does that angle better.)
We have to stop - I have to stop - saying that "This over here is threat... let's pay attention to it!" and ignore all others. It takes more work, but we need to get into the practice of identifying ALL the enemies of Christ, and then taking a stand against them in whatever way we can.
Whew. I feel better now. I feel better than James Brown. :^)
Maurice Strong is dead? Wow. He helped write the original Earth Charter, along with Gorbachev. Maybe ol' Gorby will follow suit? He's not been very productive on the global scene anyway lately, except to give whiny interviews about how we all need to work together to solve the world's problems. Oh well, Soviet Leaders never were really big on originality.
Susanna - Thanks for the further reading.
I viewed this presentation by Cardinal Peter Turkson and found it helpful to hear the back story to the encyclical - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1nz-ChNses
I'm no where near as well versed in these matters as you are but I too wonder if Pope Francis has been fully and fairly advised.
It's all a very good reminder to me, to keep Christian leaders of all denominations in my prayers, especially when they feel called to enter into the lion's den!
~ K ~
Physicist 1:45
I agree with you. But when a group of skeptics led by Lord Christopher Monckton tried to inform the Pope of the corrupt fraud called "global warming/climate change" at the UN Conference last Spring, they were prevented from speaking by the same "advisors" who are peddling the "climate change" agenda.
The following article is by Edward Pentin who regularly writes articles for the National Catholic Register which is the news service for EWTN ( Eternal Word Television Network. )
Climate Change Skeptics Tossed From UN Conference
By Edward Pentin | Thursday, 30 Apr 2015
http://www.newsmax.com/EdwardPentin/Climate-Change-Skeptics-U-N-/2015/04/30/id/641756/
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Are Pope Delegates Distorting His Message?
By Edward Pentin | Monday, 29 Jun 2015
http://www.newsmax.com/EdwardPentin/Pope-Delegates-Message-media/2015/06/29/id/652661/
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In yet another article dated June 19, 2015, Edward Pentin wrote:
Monckton’s main criticism is against the Pontifical Academies, which enrolled Schellnhuber, an atheist, as a member this week. He believes they advised the Pope badly by choosing to exclude climate change sceptics and “uncharitably” describing them “as motivated by profit”. Such an approach, he said, “demeans the papacy, discounts its message and discredits the messenger....”
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=863817711423737927&blogID=11772087&isPopup=false&page=2&bpli=1
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Motivated by profit??? Really????
Climate Profiteers
by Stephen Spruiell March 22, 2010, Issue
For Gore & Co., green is gold
https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/339222/climate-profiteers
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Are the Pontifical Academies so naïve as to believe - and/or have us believe - that the climate change devotees (for whom climate change is more a religion than a science since it is not based on hard scientific evidence) are not already salivating over the prospect of profiting to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars themselves if they can successfully manage to shake down first world countries by larding their climate change twaddle with guilt trip psycho-prods like "social justice" and "helping the poor??????"
Helping the poor??? More a matter of exploiting the poor .....which is the usual Marxist M.O.
K,
I want to address the comments I made to Physicist at 1:45 P.M. to you as well.
I do not think Pope Francis has been fully and fairly advised. I certainly do keep him in my prayers.
Anonymous 1:05 P.M.
Re:Susanna, thanks for your comeback. You are a blessing here for your own discernment in this matter because obviously the truth is more important to you than a mere preference of denomination. Oh that others would set aside their own preconceived notions, in whatever religious affiliation, for seeking and discerning the truth and see the deeply destructive ramifications in allowing what is globally vogue these days. People have wandered far from the Bible, which shows us the mandates God set for the world, in exchange for man made answers, with leadership to encourage the "settled science" rather than the settled Word of God.
Thank you for your kind words. Unfortunately, many people are devoted to so-called "climate change" as if it were a religion. Moreover, what many non-Catholics do not understand (through no fault of their own, I might add) is that Catholics are not required to embrace the Pope's opinions on science, economics or politics. Only in matters of faith and morals.
Good stewardship in our use of the goods of creation ( i.e. reasonable care for our environment ) has always been traditional Catholic teaching. The notion that anthropomorphic ( man made ) climate change is a "settled science" is not!!!
Constance,
I think another one of my comments may have wound up in your "spam box." Unfortuantely, I didn't save it.
Physicist 1:45 P.M. and K,
Physicist, I agree with you.
But when a group of skeptics led my Lord Christopher Monckton attempted to represent the other side of the climate change debate at the UN last spring, they were prevented from speaking.
Here is the general outline of what I wanted to say to you both.
Climate Change Skeptics Tossed From UN Conference
By Edward Pentin | Thursday, 30 Apr 2015
http://www.newsmax.com/EdwardPentin/Climate-Change-Skeptics-U-N-/2015/04/30/id/641756/
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......Monckton’s main criticism is against the Pontifical Academies, which enrolled Schellnhuber, an atheist, as a member this week. He believes they advised the Pope badly by choosing to exclude climate change sceptics and “uncharitably” describing them “as motivated by profit”. Such an approach, he said, “demeans the papacy, discounts its message and discredits the messenger........”
http://www.newsmax.com/EdwardPentin/China-Climate-Change-Pope-Francis-Russia/2015/06/19/id/651332/
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Skeptics are motivated by profit?????
If there ever were a case of the pot calling the kettle black, this is it!!!
Let's talk about "climate change" profiteering. Here is one glaring example. Most of the "usual suspects" are mentioned.
CLIMATE PROFITEERS
For Gore and Co, Green is Gold
https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/339222/climate-profiteers
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Just a note before you read the following. The bank known as Shorebank ultimately failed.
THE SHOREBANK, OBAMA, CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE SCAM!
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/shorebank.php
Susanna said @ 8:09 PM:
"Moreover, what many non-Catholics do not understand (through no fault of their own, I might add) is that Catholics are not required to embrace the Pope's opinions on science, economics or politics. Only in matters of faith and morals."
When the pope makes statements regarding "faith and morals" such as "gays that seek to do good go to heaven" are you, as a Catholic, "required to embrace the Pope's opinions?" When he states that "atheists that do good go to heaven" ... are you required to "embrace" that as well?
Ray B,
First of all, I am not required to embrace any of the Pope's "opinions" as such. I am only required to embrace the Pope's official teachings in matters of faith and morals.
The Pope's exact comment about gays was: "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"
The Pope was not saying that it is OK to be a practicing homosexual. All he is saying is that only God can judge what is in a person's heart.
If you want to know what Catholics officially believe, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Pope cannot change Church teaching. He is subject to the Catholic Rule of Faith (Scripture and Sacred Tradition)as much as I am.
Re: When he states that "atheists that do good go to heaven" ... are you required to "embrace" that as well?
The Catholic Church teaches that as a rule, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance)are atheists, no salvation would be possible until they repented and return to Christ.
When all is said and done, it all depends on whether or not a person is deliberately an atheist through his own fault.
If a person is an atheist through no fault of his own but nevertheless does his best to live to the highest good that he does know, ( i.e. the natural law that God has written on all men's hearts), then it is possible for him to be saved -albeit the salvation is exclusively in Jesus Christ whether the atheist knows it or not in this life. Because by living to that highest good that he knows, the atheist is implicitly embracing Jesus Christ who, as God, IS Goodness. One cannot automatically assume that atheists are all moral relativists.
And what about the virtuous Old Testament pagans who did the best they could with what little religious knowledge they had?
Paul and Marko,
Environmental pioneer Maurice Strong dies aged 86
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/28/environmental-pioneer-maurice-strong-dies-aged-86.html
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All reports of Strong's death similarly read:
There were no immediate details about where and when Strong died.
Maurice Strong passed away.
Maybe someone's planning to have Maurice Strong rise from the dead.
His friends all seem to have had time to write glowing statements about the
man and the U.N. has a website all built about his glorious life, replete
with photos and milestones all in a row, yet the press has no info
on when or how he died.
Ain't it mysterious?
To Anon at 11:31 AM
ec•u•me•nism
n.
ecumenical principles and practices, esp. as manifested in a movement promoting cooperation and unity among religious groups.
Ecumenism - Wikipedia
Ecumenism is the idea of Christian unity among differing branches of the religious community and that there should be a single Church structure sharing a common set of beliefs. Ecumenism is separate and distinct from nondenominational Christianity, which seeks no common organizing principle.
Are you serious? Did you really extrapolate that from my post?
BTW, I hope people didn't take my call to work together, united in Christ against a common enemy, as a call to participate in the kind of ecumenism that Rich talks about above (10:02am). It is *that* kind of ecumenism - the one that energizes people and groups to partake in things like the United Religions Initiative - that is one of our enemies.
I am wanting to see more focus on the things on which we agree, and less focus on the things on which we differ. We can work within our own church structure (even if that "structure" is non-denominational, or non-organized), toward exposing and defeating a common enemy.
*clarification of above:
"We can each work within our own church structures (even if those "structures" are non-denominational, non-organized) and circles of influence, helping to expose and defeat a common enemy."
Susanna,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. I understand and appreciate what you are saying. When I posted the pope’s comment about gays, I did so from memory and was therefore paraphrasing what he said.
As to his exact comment, nowhere does he state, or imply, that he was referring to non-practicing homosexuals. In fact, his statement was interpreted by the homosexual community to mean that he was not going to “judge” homosexuals, or, more explicitly by implication, their sinful behavior. His words were enthusiastically received by homosexuals as evidenced by the fact that he was named “Man of the Year” by a homosexual magazine.
Now, you cannot expect people to have to search out the Catholic Catechism in order to find out what the pope actually believes. Trust me, the world very definitely WILL NOT do that, but rather, they will simply believe what comes out of this man’s mouth. Having known literally hundreds of Catholics in my lifetime, I can assure you that they, more often than not, are almost completely ignorant regarding the teachings of the official Catholic Catechism. They also are almost entirely ignorant of the Scriptures as well. By the way, I am VERY familiar with the Catholic Catechism.
The pope’s comments clearly gave homosexuals the sense that they are not going to face God’s judgment, avoiding such by simply seeking “the Lord with good will.” What exactly does that even mean … WITHOUT FAITH & REPENTENCE? Jesus said to the religionists of His day: “Verily, verily I say unto thee, except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish.” Nowhere in the pope’s statement is there the WARNING to believe and repent.
Furthermore, a person may THINK they are “seeking the Lord” while being completely deceived (due to “many” false Christs) as evidenced by the numerous cults. I’ve talked with many of these people, and they all think they are “seeking the Lord” as well. To illustrate this point, the “Lord” to Jehovah Witnesses is Michael the Archangel and is merely "a" son of God. To the Mormons the “Lord” is a brother to Lucifer. These people all seem sincere, but sincerity will lead you to Hell if you are trusting in your heart, rather than God's Word, to lead you to the “truth.”
God states through the prophet Jeremiah (Jer. 17:9) “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge …” The pope’s message to homosexuals was one of comfort … a false comfort!
I recently had a talk with two Catholic attorney friends of mine on this very subject. They both stated they “agreed with the pope” that if a person was a homosexual, but a “good” person, they would go to heaven. When I (partially) quoted the following passage to them, they were both visibly stunned; “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” 2 Corinthians 6: 9,10
I would like to say much more on this subject, but will stop here. I will, however, be answering you on some other points made in your post when I can find the time.
Rich and Marko,
I think that too many people are confusing "ecumenism" with "syncretism."
Ecumenism is a willingness among Christians to work together for the sake of the truths they hold in common - especially in terms of Christology - in spite of their honestly acknowledged denominational differences.
The United Religions Initiative does not promote ecumenism. They promote syncretism
which is the combining/merging of different, often contradictory beliefs.
The following is an exerpt from FALSE DAWN by Lee Penn presented by Catholic Culture.
VATICAN OPPOSITION TO THE UNITED RELIGIONS INITIATIVE
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=2924
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More from Lee Penn's FALSE DAWN courtesy of Catholic culture:
WHAT IS THE UNITED RELIGIONS INITIATIVE?
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=2923
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Note that United Religions Initiative was founded by Radical liberal Episcopal Bishop William Swing and it is headquartered at the Presidio in San Francisco. The same Presidio where the late Satanist Michael Aquino was stationed at the time the "satanic" sexual abuse of children allegedly occurred back in the 1980's. The same Presidio where Mikhail Gorbachev originally established his Gorbachev Foundation.
And then there is the Thoreau Center for Sustainability, the United Nations Resource Center, the radical left Tides Foundation
Even Star Wars "got in ta de act" (to quote the late great Jimmy Durante). As one wag put it, "the Force" was certainly with George Lucas when he won the coveted right to build his Star Wars empire on 23 acres of the Presidio.
These critters share a common crusade: to build a unified, socialist, earth-friendly global civilization based on "NEW" universal beliefs and values.....which do not include the beliefs and values of traditional orthodox Judaism and Christianity.
And when I use "orthodox" when referring to Christianity, I am talking about Catholic and non-Catholic Christians whose Christology consists in the belief that Jesus Christ is truly God and truly man. The Jesus Christ of the creeds of Chalcedon and/or Nicaea.
RayB,
You most certainly do have to search out the Catechism of the Catholic Church to find out what the Pope must believe and teach. Because it is precisely his job to preserve and defend those teachings and to hand them on intake to his successor.
It is to your credit if you have made yourself familiar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
But don't even bother to refer me to morons like Alexander Hislop, Jack Chick, Loraine Boettner or even the apostate/reprobate Charles Chiniquy or I will simply ignore you. Besides, you are way better than that.
RE: In fact, his statement was interpreted by the homosexual community to mean that he was not going to “judge” homosexuals, or, more explicitly by implication, their sinful behavior. His words were enthusiastically received by homosexuals as evidenced by the fact that he was named “Man of the Year” by a homosexual magazine.
EXACTLY! As I have already stated, the Pope does not speak English. Therefore, we Catholics in the English-speaking world have to depend on those who translate what he says ( usually from Italian or Spanish ) into English. And those translations are sometimes done by people with malicious ulterior motives whose intention it is to put a liberal spin on everything the Pope says.
Re: Furthermore, a person may THINK they are “seeking the Lord” while being completely deceived (due to “many” false Christs) as evidenced by the numerous cults. I’ve talked with many of these people, and they all think they are “seeking the Lord” as well. To illustrate this point, the “Lord” to Jehovah Witnesses is Michael the Archangel and is merely "a" son of God. To the Mormons the “Lord” is a brother to Lucifer. These people all seem sincere, but sincerity will lead you to Hell if you are trusting in your heart, rather than God's Word, to lead you to the “truth.”
We are in agreement here. But you have to consider people who are "invincibly ignorant"....that is, ignorant "through no fault of their own." We must remember Christ's very words from the Cross. FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. When a person sins, the degree of sinfulness is always proportionate to the degree of knowledge and freedom with which he has sinned. The definition of sin in the Old Baltimore Catechism is "A deliberate offense against the law of God." Key word being "deliberate."
Happily, the old Baltimore Catechism is still accessible online. In it, Catholic beliefs are defined with greater simplicity. This was THE Catholic Catechism until after the Second Vatican Council.
The Baltimore Catechism
Revised Edition (1941)
http://www.catholicity.com/baltimore-catechism/
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cont.
cont.
Re: I recently had a talk with two Catholic attorney friends of mine on this very subject. They both stated they “agreed with the pope” that if a person was a homosexual, but a “good” person, they would go to heaven. When I (partially) quoted the following passage to them, they were both visibly stunned; “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” 2 Corinthians 6: 9,10
Here is one instance in which the Pope has been misrepresented by those who cherry pick statements made by the Pope that can be spun to conform to their liberal narrative. The following - a direct quote by an Illinois bishop - is what the Pope has actually said about "gay marriage"
Shortly after Illinois’s Democratic governor signed homosexual “marriage” into law, Catholic Bishop Thomas J. Paprocki led prayers of exorcism in reparation, citing Pope Francis who, as an Argentinian cardinal in 2010 described gay marriage legislation as a “clear rejection of the law of God” and “a move of the Father of Lies who wishes to confuse and deceive the children of God.”
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/bishop-s-exorcism-quotes-pope-gay-marriage-satan-father-lies
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Given this quote and the "prayers of exorcism" accompanying said quote, it doesn't exactly sound to me like the Pope thinks those who involve themselves in gay marriage and do not repent are going to heaven.
The "climate change" scam I have been previously been referring to is another similar case of the Pope being misrepresented. As a Catholic, I have always been taught to practice "good stewardship" in my use of the things of this earth. One example of good stewardship is not to be wasteful. Another is to take reasonably good care of our environment by not polluting it and making it uninhabitable for those who come after us.
NEVER have I been taught that anthropomorphic ( human-induced) climate change is a fact and/or "settled science." Moreover, even if the Pope DOES believe in human-induced climate change, this is merely his opinion and not official Church teaching. As such, I do not have to embrace it. And I don't!
Long story short. I have no intention of hogging the blog by engaging in religious polemics with Protestants with a view to persuading them to acknowledge the validity of the papacy.
I am very well aware that as a Protestant you do not acknowledge what I, as a Catholic, believe to be the Christ-delegated authority of the Pope. I get that and I respect your choice. Neither do I have any desire to see you go to hell in a handbasket because you don't believe as I do.
On the other hand, as a Catholic, I DO acknowledge the Christ-delegated authority of the Pope ( which I also believe is Biblical ) and you need to get that....and respect it even if you don't agree with it.
If you have been paying attention, you will have observed that I rarely quote the Pope in my comments here except when invited (usually by Constance) to comment on anything specifically Catholic or to correct false statements about what Catholics believe. Otherwise, I pretty much confine myself to quoting the Scriptures when applicable. I do this out of respect for my non-Catholic Christian brethren here -many of whom I now count among my personal friends.
PAX
Paul 7:26 A.M.
Re:Maybe someone's planning to have Maurice Strong rise from the dead.
Yes. Bright and early on February 2. :-)
Can anyone feel the "Amplified", which should be going on right about now?
You know, The Amplified, for which everyone should register and then
download the proper software, and then tune in and "amplify" with all
of B.M. Hubbard's friends. It's easy!
It's going on right now! Just register, upload, tune in and turn on, baby.
Who knows, maybe Amplifying will
redefine what prayer is, without needing to resort to God all the time...
Goood goood good
Good vi-brations
Susanna,
What's happening on Feb 2nd?
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