Friday, November 06, 2009

Spain and Israel at odds!

I thank blog poster "Anonymous 12:35" for calling this important breaking news to my attention. You can read about it in full by clicking here. The same Ehud Barak who gushed all over Javier Solana November 27 and November 28, 1995 now has been forced to cancel his planned visit to Spain. When the original Barcelona Conference was held on those two days, it was Ehud Barak who said that "at long last, Israel has joined the European club." He went on to enumerate the benefits of "belonging to the European club." He also said that they had "beaten their swords into ploughshares."

The current seven year ENP (European Neighbourhood Policy) treaty with Israel and many other countries in the "Greater European Neighbourhood" was a clarification, strengthening, and revitalization of the treaty achieved by Javier Solana when he came out of the woodwork to big time enter the world stage in November of 1995. It seems that Solana gets significant power boosts as presents just about every November. One wonders if he will be receiving them this year or if he will pass on the structures he has labored to build to a younger man such as Britain's David Miliband.

At any rate, given the news that Spain is intensely anti-Israel, it is not hard to see the potential for the upcoming six month rotating Spanish presidency of the European breaking commitments entered into earlier. The European Neighbourhood Policy contracts/treaties were up for mid term review in mid 2010. It doesn't appear, at least for the present, as though Israel has accumulated the "brownie points" to keep that European Union "kindness" flowing.

In relevant part from that which I beg you to archive and read in full, we read:

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak has canceled a November 4 and 5 visit to Spain [1] amid a dispute over the command of the European-led United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL). The visit was called off after reports surfaced [2] that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had secretly asked Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to keep Italy in command of the 13,000-strong UNIFIL force for six months longer than planned, instead of allowing Spain to take over.

Italian General Claudio Graziano is scheduled to turn the command over to a Spanish general in February 2010. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz [3] says Israeli officials want Graziano to stay on because they believe that replacing the UNIFIL commander now might further destabilize the already precarious security situation in southern Lebanon. The Spanish newspaper El País [4] adds that Italian officials want to retain the command because it would be beneficial to Graziano’s career.

In any case, considering that Spanish Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero leads what is arguably the most anti-Israel government in Europe, Netanyahu is probably justified in having some misgivings about a Spanish-led UNIFIL.

Indeed, the unabashedly pro-Arab, pro-Hamas, pro-Hezbollah, and pro-Iranian Zapatero says the Middle East will be a top priority when Spain takes over the six-month rotating presidency [5] of the European Union in January 2010. Spanish officials now worry that a six-month delay in taking over the UNIFIL command will deprive Zapatero of a bully pulpit he believes will help him raise his profile in the region.

What next? It's all happening so very fast.

Stay tuned!


Just a couple things. First would you read the short storey at and comment. Second, there are two beasts in rev. 13. We all seam to agree the first beat with 10 horns is the eu. The second beast I believe to be th us. It has 2 horn, that means 2 countries. They are christian as they look like a lamb. They lend all of their ppwer to tje first beast for the last 3 1/2 years. Obama apparently is going to europe on dec 9 th to sign a document giving eu some authority over us. It has something to do with one world government.
The third thing. I would like to mention is that daniel does not say that prince will sit in temple when sacrifice is taken away. He says in dan 11 that they set up an abomination. I believe this to be an idol and very likely of Mary the mother of Jesus. These things seam clear to me in scripture.
I have long thought that the second beast was USA official. A popular Protestant interpretation is that it is the Vatican, but this makes no sense. The ships at sea bewailed her burning -- this does not fit the Vatican which has no ships at sea.

Read 2nd Thessalonians in conjunction with your other Bible study on the subject. Also, read Zechariah, chapter 12.

The Vatican would be the woman who rides the beast, not the beast itself. The beast will turn on her and burn her with fire after it is finished using her to bring about the world system.
A whore is used by tne man to get his base needs met. There is no love involved, only lust, and when the woman no longer serves this purpose, she is thrown aside.
Can somebody comment on this?


AFP - Experts from 50 nations meeting in Madrid have reached a draft agreement on international standards for the protection of privacy and personal data, participants said Friday.
Under the proposed standards, data may only be processed after obtaining the "free, unambiguous and informed consent" of the data subjects and it should be deleted when it is no longer necessary for the purposes for which it was gathered.
Data collectors must identify themselves, state in clear language the purpose of the data processing and the recipients of the gathered data.
International transfers of personal data may only be carried out to a country which "affords, as a minimum, the level of protection provided for in the document," according to the proposed standards, agreed by representatives from privacy protection agencies.
"This agreement was reached with the active participation and support of civil society and industry," the head of the Spanish Data Protection Agency, Artemi Rallo Lombarte, said at the end of the three-day gathering.
Participants hope the draft international standards will serve as the basis for a universal, binding legal instrument on data protection. But several cautioned that this is still a long way off given the different rules around the world.
"We have jumped over a first step but we have a long road, a very long road, ahead to arrive at a common, restricting legal framework," said the president of France's CNIL data protection agency, Alex Turk.
Over 1,000 participants from around the world took part in the 31st International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy which is billed as the world's largest forum dedicated to privacy.
US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and representatives from key Internet firms like Google and Facebook were among those who took part in the event, which was organized by the Spanish Data Protection Agency.
The next such conference is scheduled for October 2010 in Jerusalem. Previous gatherings have taken place in Strasbourg, Hong Kong, Sydney and Montre
Re. data protection, proposed standards.

Bizarre that the first meeting took place in Madrid, Spain and that the "next such conference is scheduled for October 2010 in Jerusalem."

Would venture to guess too little, too late.

Re. data protection, proposed standards.

Bizarre that the most recent meeting took place in Madrid, Spain and that the "next such conference is scheduled for October 2010 in Jerusalem."

In any case, would venture to guess too little, too late.
Spain, now UN coming after Israel...

U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon is vowing to bring the Goldstone Report to the Security Council for review and action within three months.

That potentially means Israeli leaders could find themselves facing indictment and prosecution before the International Criminal Court on “war crimes” charges for defending themselves from 12,000 Hamas rockets, missiles and mortars.

Dave In CA
A couple things, I am not sure why you directed me to 2 thess. If it is in regards to the wicked sitting in the temple, then I believe you will not see this take place until the last year of Daniels seven year covenant. This person is not the same person who makes the covenant nor is he the one who brakes the covenant. The person who sits in the temple is the beast who ascends from the bottomless pit. If you visit you should get a good understanding of this. I only touched on it there. He is the one spoken of in rev. 17. He is one of seven kings but until I have response to the above mentioned blog it would only cause confusion to explain further here.
Second, you had indicated that That you had always thought that the usa was the second beast in rev 13. Let me see if I can make my case for this more convincing so that there will be no doubt. Every time you get a piece of the puzzle the picture becomes clearer.
Beginning in rev 13:11 the second beast has two horns. These are obviously two nations that have some kind of ties together. They look like a lamb, this points to christ and therefore indicates they are christian nations. They have the voice of a dragon. This indicates that they are lead by the dragon of rev 12. This is the new one world religion. I will explain that in a minute. This beast exersizes all of the authority of the first beast indicating that it is a kingdom to be reconned with. That would have to be the us and canada. They are tied together through many agreements and support one another in most issues. They cause all to worship the first beast. The us and canada support the work of the eu. Canada is the leader in robotics. It is not hard to imagine the image that talks. We will watch and see. He causes all both small and great to recieve a mark on there right hand or forhead. Notice that the mark is not 666 as many have taught. I believe the mark is the veri-chip developed by motorola and destined to be placed in every man woman and child. Motorola is a us company and has strong ties to the government via supply of cell phones wotj the direct connect that is used by all millitary and police throughout the us. So then ALL of the atributes of the second beast can be atributed to the us and canada. Again Obama has an. Appointment on dec 9, I believe, to sign on as partner in the new wold order. Is it a coincidence that we are three years into the covenant that was signed on jan1,2007?
Third, rev. 12 discribes the dragon. In Job 41 God discribes the dragon and in the last verse declares the dragon to be father over all the children of pride.
now notice in rev 12:3 that the dragon has seven crowns on his heads while the beast of rev 13 has 10 crowns on his horns. I believe with all my heart that this dragon is babylon the great the mother of harlots. It persecutes the true christians during the last 3 1/2 years. I believe that the child of rev 12/5 is a part of the church that is found obedient in the middle of the seven years and is taken in rapture about that time. The woman goes into the wilderness, this is a secret that belongs to the Lord. But the rest of her seed are those who try to stand as witness and are persecuted.
Forth, there is no doubt that rev.17 discribes the catholic monarchy. I am sure that if one was to look into it they would find that there are 7 mainline religions that have become a one world religion with the pope as the head, though I have not been able to prove it.
I believe these things can be proven in scripture and should help you to put the pieces together.
Just one more word. I haven't seen anyone meke this comment and i sure hope someone is reading this. There is a very strong possibility that the covenant with the eu will be broken as a result of the goldstone report. We are closing in on the midst of the seven year agreement. Now is when Jesus said in luke 21:20 to watch for the armies surrounding Jerusalem. We are on the very doorstep of this event yet no-one is taking about it. All of the political talk is interesting but no- one is talking about the signs. We need both.
CWHJrA said,
"There is a very strong possibility that the covenant with the eu will be broken as a result of the goldstone report. We are closing in on the midst of the seven year agreement. Now is when Jesus said in luke 21:20 to watch for the armies surrounding Jerusalem. "

Scriptures do not speak of a covenant being "broken." What Daniel 9 says is,

"27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings."

This scripture does not say a covenant is broken. It says a treaty is made and halfway thru the treaty sacrifices are stopped.

Israel is presently trying to get permission to take their newly made altar to the Mount to perform a ritual sacrifice. We should be looking to see if this happens and also look for any attempts for Israel to perform their rituals whether it is on the Mount or not (scriptures don't say where the sacrficing takes place.)

I do agree though that Luke 21 is very important. As these nations get more and more upset with Israel, it is likely that they will at some point do what they want and go on the offensive and attack Israel. This attack and subsequent invasion of Israel is the start of the Day of the Lord. So prior to seeing Israel surrounded we should be in the Great Tribulation. Upon seeing Israel surrounded we will know that our Tribulation is about to end and our rapture is near. When the DOL actually strikes, Israel will be alone, as all of those who care will hopefully have made the rapture and are no longer on earth to protect her.
To D4Christ
You are right and I appreciate that correction. However, lukes prophecy that armies will gather around Jerusalem (not Israel) tells me that the covenant no longer has any relevance, though it may be that the rest of Israel is still under the covenant seeing as it is only the capital city that is mentioned. Time will tell.
Now you have said that luke 21 points to the end of the 7 years. I fail to see this because matt 24 and mark 13 both tell us that all of those things that luke says will follow the city being surrounded are the exact same and seeing as both matt and mark say the thing to watch for is the abomination which Daniel clearly puts at the midst of the 7, then this is also when the armies gather. You confusing this event with armeggeddon. That will not come for another 3 1/2 years.
Can someone direct me to the post of Rich of Medfords information about the AoC's document that talks about the "selection" process? I have a christian friend who doesn't believe me and I want to send him the info but, am having trouble finding it on Rich's blog! Thank you anyone!!

I agree in part with your hypothesis of the first beast being the USA. However I disagree with your assesment that the two horns represent two kingdoms. Prophecy is always revealed the same, from Daniel through Revelation. So in Daniel, when he is told the horns represent kings, just as John describes his horns, then we must conclude the two horns of the first beast represent the kings while the beast itself is the kingdom.

How this pertains to the USA could be looked at in multiple ways. First, one horn could represent the president while the other represents the vice president. Second, the first could still represent the president while the second could represent a leader of the UN. This way makes more sense to me as the UN is who is pushing the mystery religion, while the president represents the muscle the UN would use to enforce such a thing.
Gog/Magog, Cush, Put, Tubal, Meshech, etc.-- Turkey is flexing its political muscle:


Reference Ezekiel 38 to see how this is all coming together.
D4Christ (4:10)--

Interesting about the altar. I'd wondered whether just the altar is necessary to fulfill prophecy.

If the Cohanim are being trained; instruments are being cast; the High Priest's garments are being woven (possible now because of the re-emergence of a particular type of snail used for a specific color); musical instruments are being manufactured; lavers and basins are being cast; possible physical/archeological locations for building within the Temple Mount complex are being discussed, etc.--then I'd think that this shows how the entire Temple/Courts/HoH would be the only place considered fit and just for reinstating the sacrifices.

Just think, you need baths for the mikvah; separation of courts for men and women; (wouldn't the Ark of the Covenant) have to be present, too?)for everything to be "kosher," in a sense (I know that this refers to the way of killing an animal for consumption--I just couldn't think of the proper Jewish term.)?

I said all of this because two recent stories about the latest Temple in Jerusalem come to mind.

The oldest is that of the Douglas family (Kirk and Michael) donating millions to build the 3rd temple.

The second is that of the residents of Mitzpe Yericho (a town overlooking present-day Jericho) who say that they are building an exact replica of the Temple, and are preparing the priests, too.

I guess we can only wait and see which will fulfill Daniel's exact measurements when he was taken up by an angel to measure the future Temple complex.

Funny, in a way--Jericho was where the walls came down. Now, perhaps, new prophetic ones will be going up.
CWGJrA stated, “However, lukes prophecy that armies will gather around Jerusalem (not Israel) tells me that the covenant no longer has any relevance”

Israel is the name YHWH gave to His people, the covenant is not speaking of the geographical location of the Israel (country) vs. the city (Jerusalem).

The covenant never looses its relevance no matter how angry YHWH gets with His people. The covenant also came with curses for disobedience.

Deut 4: 26 “Today I call on heaven and earth as witnesses against you. If you break my covenant, you will quickly disappear from the land you are crossing the Jordan to occupy. You will live there only a short time; then you will be utterly destroyed. 27 For the Lord will scatter you among the nations, where only a few of you will survive…30 “In the distant future, when you are suffering all these things, you will finally return to the Lord your God and listen to what he tells you. 31 For the Lord your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon you or destroy you or forget the solemn covenant he made with your ancestors.

On that “Day of the Lord” YHWH will make a new covenant with His people, but He will never abandon them.

Jeremiah 31: “31 “The day is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. 33 “But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,” says the Lord. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people…. 36 “I am as likely to reject my people Israel as I am to abolish the laws of nature!”

God punishes Israel (in the DOL), not because the covenant is no longer relevant, but rather because the His people broke the covenant for which there are consequences and punishments.

CWGJrA stated, “Now you have said that luke 21 points to the end of the 7 years…You confusing this event with armeggeddon. That will not come for another 3 1/2 years.”

No…I never said Luke points to the end of the 7 years. I said Luke 21 points to our rapture and the coming Day of the Lord. Yes, the abomination occurs 3.5 years into the 7 years. The armies can gather against Jerusalem at any point from the 3.5 years on. But we do not know when. The Day of the Lord comes like a thief and no one knows the day or hour. So, all we really know is that at the midpoint the GT begins and Satan is given 3.5 years to wear out the saints of God. We know that God will cut this time short because if he did not we would not survive. How short we do not know, but what we do know is that the signal for the DOL will be our cue that the rapture is here and we will be gathered from the earth. We know that when the DOL commences Jerusalem will be invaded. So it only makes sense that Jerusalem is surrounded prior to the start of the DOL, because once we are gone she is invaded by the nations. Armageddon happens after the seal, trumpet and bowl judgments and is the last battle to take place before the Millennial Kingdom begins.

The problem is, though many people understand the DOL to be a day of God’s wrath, many miss the fact that His wrath starts with punishment to His own people before He unleashes on the nations.

Zech 14: 1 Watch, for the day of the Lord is coming when your possessions will be plundered right in front of you! 2 I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city.
3 Then the Lord will go out to fight against those nations, as he has fought in times past.”
Anonymous 8:46, said Interesting about the altar. I'd wondered whether just the altar is necessary to fulfill prophecy.

A complete temple is not necessary for sacrifices to begin as noted in Ezra 3, when the people came together to build the 2nd Temple. They started their sacrifices even though the Temple construction had not started.

Ezra 3:
“1 In early autumn, when the Israelites had settled in their towns, all the people assembled in Jerusalem with a unified purpose. 2 Then Jeshua son of Jehozadak joined his fellow priests and Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel with his family in rebuilding the altar of the God of Israel. They wanted to sacrifice burnt offerings on it, as instructed in the Law of Moses, the man of God.

4 They celebrated the Festival of Shelters as prescribed in the Law, sacrificing the number of burnt offerings specified for each day of the festival. 5 They also offered the regular burnt offerings and the offerings required for the new moon celebrations and the annual festivals as prescribed by the Lord. The people also gave voluntary offerings to the Lord. 6 Fifteen days before the Festival of Shelters began, the priests had begun to sacrifice burnt offerings to the Lord. This was even before they had started to lay the foundation of the Lord’s Temple.”
Anonymous 6:31,

Rich of Medford's blog is

The entry you are speaking of is from August 6, 2008 when he prints a copy of his letter to Rt. Honorable Winston Peters.

For the Lamb

You may be looking for the post I did on Desmond Tutu. That post has a copy from the chapter called The Selection Process from Barbara Marx Hubbard's book Happy Birthday Planet Earth.

this URL:
Readers at this blog will think this story odd to be suggested as a read. But I was surfing around and found it and read it. It deals with a Rockefeller cousin and about four pages in it gets quite interesting re: David and Co. and the CFR. In addition it shows how the super rich live their squalid lives.
In the New Yorker Magazine of July 20th of 1998,
there was an article about a man named Clyde Lott,
who has, since that ti9me been breeding spotless,
blemish free red heifers for the express purpose of
being used for sacrifices in the Temple in Jerusalem.
These heifers are already declared fit for that purpose
by the Sanhedron and have been introduced into Israel for that very purpose.
That was in 1998.
And as D4Christ just pointed out they don't really need a temple in order to begin sacrifices.
Hallelujah ! The Lord of Hosts is his name.
Jehovah Raffah, Jehovah Jira, Jehovah Nissi.

Just watch and see him work.
Thank you Rich and YNST!

Does the AoC have it's own document describing a type of 'selection process'?

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I have something that I need comment on. It is lenthy, i am sorry. But it something that i am convinced of and it has openned up several scriptures for me. I admit, i could be wrong about this,but i dont see how. Please dont be quick to dismiss it as many are. I have very good reasons for believing it.
20 years ago i was introduced to the idea that the Earth is hollow. Now u may think this has no bearing on the issue of bible prophecy, but i will show you that if it is hollow it changes how we should interprit some important prophetic scripture and thereby effecting our testemony.
First, if it is hollow the beast who ascends from the pit is literal and therefore not the same man who makes the covenant or sets up the abomination. He does not ascend until the last five months. It is very likely that he is the one who sits in the temple and proclaims he is god.
There is an asteroid hit coming about mid 2012 as clear as i can see. Rev 8 says it will land in the sea. I think the indian ocean, could be wrong based on bible codes. There could be two hits?? This hit is nessessary to save the planet from total natural destruction. Rev 8:12 and isaiah 13:13 tell me the earth will be moved out of present orbit slightly and be spinning 1/3 faster when done. If the Earth is hollow then this movement will dislodge the star that is in the center of the globe and it will crash inside lighting a perpetual infurno. The king inside once lived out here and possibly in Israel??? With the Earth spinning faster the waters at the northpole will be drawn away revealing a hole leading inside. It is through this hole that the beast will ascend through the smoke like the smoke of a great furnace. He will send his army first who have face of man, hair of women teeth like lions teeth. They are also discribed in joel. When he takes over and sets up his 10 kings all the nations will gather to make war with him. It is this beast who will burn Rome with fire to prove he is almighty GOD. Gog and magog scriptures are for the most part at the end of mallinium. Both PEzekiel and Rev say God destroys them with fire.
Jesus will have the beast along with the false prophet cast back into the pit that will continue to burn, alive. It is possible that a minny iceage will result from the stars work that will keep satan bound it the pit for 1000 years when Jesus throws him into it???
If the earth is hollow many scriptures come alive just as they are written. If it is not we will have to wait and see which of the hundreds of interpitations is true.
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