The Roman Catholic Church through its College of Cardinals has just selected and introduced a new pope to the world. He is Jorge Mario Bergoglio. He was born and raised in Argentina. His religious orders were through the Society of Jesus (Jesuit). He is said to be doctrinally conservative, anti-same sex marriage, homosexual adoptions, and soundly against abortion.
He comes across, at least to the undersigned, as a humble man with a scholarly mind and a common touch. Spanish is his primary language. He speaks fluent Italian. It appears that people in English speaking countries will be listening to him through an interpreter. The last few popes spoke fluent English. I don't think that is the case with Pope Francis I.
I'd be interested in Suzanne's news and views on the papal election.
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
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Pope Francis I is the first Pope from South America and also the first Jesuit Pope!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Bergoglio
A testimony to the new Pope's genuine humility is that he first asked the crowd to pray for him before he gave his blessing to the crowd.
this confirms my suspicion that the last pope that St. Malachy speaks of is NOT the one who comes right after the last numbered pope, The Glory of the Olive, but is after an unspecified lacuna in time.
Constance ~ FYI:
Cardinal Theodore McCarrick just told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that Pope Francis I DOES speak English.
http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/newsitem24.htm
Christine....
Or....St. Malachy is wrong. His prophecies do not rise to the Biblical level of credibility.
Dave in CA
Dear Constance and friends,
I didn't know much about Pope Francis when I first received the news early this evening at Mass about his election to the papacy.
But after checking with reliable news sources, I must say that I am very well pleased with the election of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio......especially after learning that he was a runner up to Pope Benedict XVI in 2005 and that he is "conservative" ( meaning that he adheres strictly to traditional Church teaching in matters of faith and morals.) It is also my understanding that as Cardinal Bergoglio, he distanced himself from Liberation Theology and took on the Jesuits in Argentina who promoted it.
I am still trying to learn all I can about Pope Francis. The following articles are from Chiesa. Included are links to other articles about Pope Francis when he was still a Cardinal.
As I learn more, I will be happy to share what I learn here for whoever is interested.
THE FIRST POPE NAMED FRANCIS
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350465?eng=y
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Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Profession: Servant of the Servants of God (2002)
He´s the latest Latin-American rumored for the papacy, and he´s already at the head among the possible successors of Peter. If elected, he would be the first Jesuit pope
by Sandro Magister
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1335696?eng=y
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Malachy was on target every one, either explicit or symbolic. The last one Glory of the Olive was assumed to be a failure until he took the name Benedict, in honor of the Benedictines whose symbol is....the olive.
Thank you, Susanna. I'm also encouraged about what I've learned about him so far. He's had many tangles with the president of Argentina over issues such as same-sex marriage, etc. per CNN tonight.
I was at a family member's house last night as one of the FOX NEWS reporters stated there was another lightning bolt striking the Vatican again today. This is the same day that a new pope was chosen. I didn't catch exactly where the bolt struck, but the screen showed the reporter talking at 11:31 pm, Rome time.
Pope Francis I and his choice of name is interesting to me. The name Francis literally means "free".
I am guarded about this new pope and will wait to see his fruit.
While this man seems to have been around some time, and he appears to be traditional in his views, he's also being called a "reformer." If he's conservative in belief and holds to traditional Church teaching, then how is that reforming?
Being aware of all the warnings against this new pope at www.thewarningsecondcoming.com, I guess only time will tell.
If this guy changes his stripes, it won't be the first time someone has done it. Remember we now have a President who switched his views on traditional marriage along the road.
A Catholic faithful to Jesus Christ and to His Teachings
well, given the overly reformed condition of the RC, a "reformer" might be someone who wants to go back even farther than the Traditionalists go, maybe to the AD 1054 schism of Rome from Constantinople (disguised as an excommunication of dubious legality against Constantinople), or it could mean he is reforming the present overly reformed RC back to Tridentine style, or it might mean he is just trying to play politics by saying he is a reformer or it could mean he aims to go whole hog in the wrong direction.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/cardinals-elect-new-pope-argentina-does-new-pontiff-come-dark-past?akid=10180.253027.8o7V-j&rd=1&src=newsletter808899&t=13&paging=off
interesting questions raised about the new pope
Malachy almost certainly had nothing to do with it. The prophecy attributed to him about the Popes first surfaced in 1595, many centuries after Malachy's time, and was incredibly specific in specifying the Popes from Malachy's time up to 1595 but much vaguer about the Popes from 1595 up to the 266th (matching Francis) and last Pope specified. WHY WOULD THAT BE, IF NOT FORGERY?
how do you account for the accuracy later on? Each one of those matched by something ABOUT them. The last one with a specification was The Glory of the Olive, which was Benedict XVI, who took the name of the founder of the Benedictine Order, whose symbol is an olive.
The last pope is not numbered, just stated as the last who will reign, but not necessarily the one following Benedict.
There is NOTHING about this man to make him Peter or of Rome. Being a successor of Peter doesn't do it, that is TOO vague. and being of Italian ancestry isn't any good since of Rome would point to his place of birth or upbringing this is how this appellation always went in old times. I think his parents didn't come from Rome anyway.
Vatican City is not part of Rome being a separate city state, and the Vatican palace was always on the outskirts of old Rome and not part of the seven hills.
Malachy doesn't fail if a lacuna is expected, but Tom Horn fails and Malachy with him if there is no lacuna.
Christine: It's exegesis up to 1595 and eisegesis thereafter. Just read HOW the pre-1595 Popes fit the words of this supposedly prophetic statement, and how the post-1595 Popes fit. Anybody with any sensitivity or expertise in solving crosswords can see the difference. Why should there be such a difference if not forgery of the 'prophecy' around 1595? I answered your question; please answer mine.
As for "The last pope is not numbered, just stated as the last who will reign, but not necessarily the one following Benedict", this statement might have been more convincing if people had thought of it BEFORE Cardinal Bergoglio's election...
YOU go read it,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
and read the matchup to the popes after, THE MATCH IS JUST AS GOOD, even if no exact names, but there is ALWAYS something that would NOT have been present if a different man had been pope for that time each time. In Benedict XVI case, you would have had NO MATCH AT ALL if he had not taken that name. Now, he may have done this deliberately for that reason. It has been suggested that a secret clique has been in play, following the Malachy prophecy making sure a match would exist each time, though this seems far fetched.
BTW I am NOT RC but a convert from non denominational protestantism to Eastern Orthodoxy.
meanwhile, a white blob was over the Vatican
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gq4tLUMRTE
It looks like EU scientists claim the big ass collider has proven string theory.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130314/DA50T1382.html
Christine, it might be an Unidentified Flying Object to you but I reckon I can identify it. Jupiter, at a guess.
To Anon@5pm: If it is indeed the Higgs particle as seems increasingly likely then it has verified a lot of physics (it is a major part of the "standard model") - but not string theory, which has yet to make a testable prediction and is posited essentially on grounds of mathematical consistency.
Physicist
Dear Christine: It seems to be you who don't read what you cite, for contrary to your assertion the Wikipedia page about that 'prophecy' lists THREE ways in which Ratzinger might satisfy the olive quote. All are pretty vague compared to the fit for the pre-1595 Popes, though; as is the fit for other post-1595 Popes. I have no wish to argue with someone unable to discern the clear difference between the accuracy of fit of the pre- and post-1595 Popes to this prophecy. Let anybody who is interested check out the 'prophecies' for him- or herself.
Dear 8:57 p.m.
Re: www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
The purpose of this message is to respectfully warn you and others here about "THE WARNING SECOND COMING" pronunciamentos being served up as "Catholic prophecy."
The so-called "prophet" associated with this site is most likely a false prophet.
I have already posted at this blog about her before. Her pseudonym is "Maria Divine Mercy."
One of Maria's prophecies has already failed to come true. Maria claimed that Pope Benedict XVI would be "the last Pope on earth."
We can see that he is not. Is that not the test of a false prophet? That their prophecies fail to come true?
Here are more reasons to lose the link to Maria's webpage.
9 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT MARIA DIVINE MERCY
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/9-things-you-need-to-know-about-maria-divine-mercy
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THE WARNING - ERRORS AND CRITICISM ( 24 Jan. 2012 )
http://warningsecondcoming.blogspot.com/
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My question as a Catholic would be "Who is Maria's bishop? What does hehave to say about the authenticity of Maria's messages?" Has he declared them to be worthy of belief....or has he said that there is nothing "supernatural about them and/or that they go contrary to Church teaching in matters of faith and morals?
Inquiring Catholic minds want to know!!!!
Maria claims that her anonymity is for her family's protection. It is more likely that her anonymity is for the purpose of protecting her false prophecies against the hard scrutiny and judgement of her bishop!!!
re Malachy, I can see the difference I did not deny the difference, I said it was vaguer, I didn't read the last few because I already read the major reasons for them fitting, so I missed the part about Ratzinger.
HOWEVER, the fit is there in all those later cases. It is not there in the present one. So either Malachy is wrong, and Tom Horn (who relies too much on fleshly adrenaline and extrabiblical sources) falls with him, or Malachy is right and is implying a lacuna after the last numbered pope and before the LAST pope, and Tom Horn is still wrong.
re Maria she could keep her anonymity in public and still go to her bishop and he could issue a public statement about her using her alias as reference, but I doubt she has done this. Medjugorje has been denounced by its bishop and later an anti Medjugorje cleric was made bishop of the diocese it is in by Pope JP II.
re UFO the video calls it a UFO I call it a blob because that is what it looks like. too vague for Jupiter, and if a UFO not a good sign in itself.
Revelation 11:3 says, "I will commission my two witnesses to prophesy for those twelve hundred
and sixty days, wearing sackcloth."
It will be interesting to see who these "two witnesses" eventually turn out to be (again). I say "again" because history always repeats itself.
Given the feelings of some about "Maria Divine Mercy", one could wonder if she partially fits the verses of Rev. 11:7-10.
"When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will wage war against them and conquer them and kill them. Their corpses will lie in the main street of the great city, which has the symbolic names "Sodom" and "Egypt," where indeed their Lord was crucified. Those from every people, tribe, tongue, and nation will gaze on their corpses for three and a half days, and they will not allow their corpses to be buried. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and be glad and exchange gifts because these two prophets tormented the inhabitants of the earth."
I guess Pope Francis I will be a good way of testing the messages at
www.thewarningsecondcoming.com. If the Catholic Church changes the Sacraments, whereby it does away with the need for Confession, or it redefines our present understanding of the Holy Eucharist to be something other than the BODY, BLOOD, SOUL & DIVINITY OF JESUS CHRIST, or it "blends" with the pagan elements so that she (the Catholic Church) becomes unrecognizable, if these events come about, then we can say she was an authentic prophet.
Confirmed! Newfound particle is a Higgs boson
A newfound particle discovered at the world's largest atom smasher last year is, indeed, a Higgs boson, the particle thought to explain how other particles get their mass, scientists reported today (March 14) at the annual Rencontres de Moriond conference in Italy.
More....
http://www.livescience.com/27888-newfound-particle-is-higgs.html
someone has suggested that since St. Francis entire birth name incl. Pietro, this could qualify as Petrus Romanus, but again this guy is not from Rome. It is shakier than the usual bunch of later correlations of the Malachy list. Much shakier.
Pope Francis I is not from Rome, but his parents were from somewhere in Italy. They left Italy with a large number of Italians and headed to Argentina.
To 1131pm: The Higgs particle is the first ordained Catholic particle to be found, because it is responsible for giving mass to all of the other particles.
@Anon@9:32PM, history does NOT always repeat itself. The cyclic view of kairos-time is characteristic of paganism. The Bible reveals a unique timeline: one creation, one fall of man, one crucifixion etc.
"the video calls it a UFO I call it a blob because that is what it looks like. too vague for Jupiter"
Christine, to make that call reliably you would need to know the atmospheric conditions at the time, whether the camera lens had been wiped and how successfully, and details of the camera optics such as its zoom capabilities, aperture etc. That could all be circumvented by comparison with an image obtained when the camera was pointed deliberately at Jupiter. But you have none of this necessary information and you cannot exclude the simpler hypothesis that it was Jupiter. Those who have abnormal attractions for weird explanations will of course prefer them, but I'll go with Occam's Razor and opt for the mundane explanation unless it is disproven.
Physicist
Pope Francis’s last name is “Bergoglio.” Berg (German) means mountain or rock, and also (Peter). Oglio is a river in Italy (Rome). Berg-Oglio translates as Rock-Rome or “Petrus Romanus” ‘Peter the Roman’, the name St. Malachy predicted would be the last pope! More than just chance or coincidence that the Pope’s last name literally means Petrus Romanus.
berg means hill or mountain, not rock
http://dictionary.reverso.net/german-english/berg
all of Italy does not qualify as Rome. Even in ancient times. The Roman Empire was the extension of the Roman City State.
this would be Mountain Italy at best, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oglio_river relates Oglio to Latin Ollius, which I can't find a translation for but is derived from the Lombard word Oi and might relate to Latin words for oil, greasy, etc.
So it isn't a match.
as for Jupiter, lets put it this way, there is no indication this light stayed there long enough to be a star or planet, and besides no other stars seem visible, so what is it?
Even if it is Jupiter, that doesn't mean something isn't wierd, if you consider TIMING of events to match the position of Jupiter that night. In that case, either God timed it to hint at something, or allowed people with an astrological agenda (and hidden unChristian agendas have long been known to exist among some high ranking Vatican people) to rig the timing.
There isn't any call but digital flaw lens flare etc. that isn't wierd one way or another, even if not paranormal or ufo.
BerGOGlio
I'm not into numerology at all but I find it strange the pope was elected on the 13th day of the 13th year. He is 76- 7+6=13. It was announced at 7:06 Vatican time- 7+6=13. May mean nothing, but too strange for me.
'Go and Repair My House'
There is a power in the new pope's humility.
By PEGGY NOONAN
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323393304578360853499727768.html#printMode
"So it isn't a match."
It's no better or worse a match than many of the Popes since 1595 to that absurd 'prophecy'.
"as for Jupiter, lets put it this way, there is no indication this light stayed there long enough to be a star or planet, and besides no other stars seem visible, so what is it?"
It remained stationary during the duration of filming just as Jupiter would, and Jupiter is brighter than stars so would be visible when stars aren't if there is too much streetlight etc.
"Even if it is Jupiter, that doesn't mean something isn't wierd, if you consider TIMING of events to match the position of Jupiter that night."
It would be weird if Jupiter (or some other heavenly body) WEREN'T where its orbit predicted it would be. Don't forget that the proximity in the video of this heavenly light to the roof of St Peters and the Sistine Chapel chimney depends also on where the cameraman was located...
"There isn't any call but digital flaw lens flare etc. that isn't wierd one way or another"
It's difficult to understand what you are trying to say here, but you have certainly not downed the Jupiter hypothesis.
Physicist
I think that there are some talented satirists having fun with the new Pope's name and that prophecy here
""So it isn't a match."
It's no better or worse a match than many of the Popes since 1595 to that absurd 'prophecy'."
oh really? you need to be a bit less vague minded yourself. for instance there is a pope who is referred to
as religious man who took the name Pius which means pious. religion destroyed is the name given and this occurred Russian Revolution WWI during Benedict XVI time shepherd and sailor John XXIII who was patriarch of Venice ergo the sailor thing.
these may be vague, but they are still something while there is nothing for the present pope.
as for difficulty in understanding my statement, read IN CONTEXT. that is how you are to read or listen to anything.
I already said, that either the blob is something not normally present then, so inherently weird, or it is jupiter ergo not inherently weird, but TIMING for what was going on then when it would be there would be weird. Of course lens flares etc. are not weird.
How hard is that to understand? you are almost the only one who has trouble understanding what I say as distinct from disagreeing with it.
I recall you claimed an English winter was normal that was all over the news as abnormally cold, so I guess you don't go outdoors and deal with real life that much or were in an exceptional section of England at the time.
A little more dealing with real life instead of juggling numbers might make you more able to think in terms of CONTEXT. like, the implications of seeing a bus in context of a bus stop sign nearby and distance and speed such you might get there if you run and meet it, are very different from the implications of seeing a bus on a freeway at a distance.
To Anon. 6:50 am,
Why I agree not every event in the Bible or history itself has probably been repeated, or will repeat, one can't deny the fact that many events throughout history have been repeated.
To imply if one believes in history repeating itself is paganism, is ridiculous.
Why the footnotes in my Catholic Bible are constantly referring to people or events of long ago, and in their interpretations it is constantly stating that this could have been at this time, or again at that time.
Why even my footnotes for Rev. 11:3 state these two witnesses could have represented Moses and Elijah, or Peter and Paul. They even leave room for people in the future.
So I guess using your reasoning we don't have to worry about there being an anti-christ in the future because Antiochus IV Epiphanes died long ago.
And we don't have to worry about the beast, too, because Nero is dead also.
By the way, isn't the Virgin Mary referred to as the "new" Eve?
I don't think anyone was equating history repeating itself with paganism.
But there is NO basis for assuming that Mary Divine or whatever she calls herself is one of the two witnesses.
Nero was a dry run, a prototype. Early
church fathers like Hippolytus knew Nero was good and dead, but still expected a future antichrist.
Also, Nero didn't require people to take a tattoo or bear a paper (as was tried in a few cities regarding I think a different emperor) proving the person with these had worshipped the emperor in order to legally engage in trade.
And Nero wasn't destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' Second Coming.
that document proving one had worshipped the emperor wasn't to engage in trade, but to not get persecuted.
Paganism goes in for reincarnation and is inspired by the annual repetition of the seasons. Both are cyclic. Obviously the Bible shows us types, eg Antiochus IV of Antichrist; and prophecies may have minor and major fulfilments; but the Biblical narrative is emphatic that human history is linear not cyclic, as follows: Creation, Fall, Crucifixion, redemption of believers, redemption of all creation.
I already said, that either the blob "is something not normally present then, so inherently weird, or it is jupiter ergo not inherently weird, but TIMING for what was going on then when it would be there would be weird. Of course lens flares etc. are not weird.
How hard is that to understand? you are almost the only one who has trouble understanding what I say as distinct from disagreeing with it."
How hard is that to understand? Well, very hard the way you have written it. I was attempting in my comment to be tactful about the shortcomings of your literary style (which are gross enough to impair comprehension, although I suspect most people here have given up deciphering you). So let me be clear: your style is an embarrassment; or, if it is not, it should be.
"I recall you claimed an English winter was normal that was all over the news as abnormally cold, so I guess you don't go outdoors and deal with real life that much or were in an exceptional section of England at the time. A little more dealing with real life instead of juggling numbers might make you more able to think in terms of CONTEXT."
Your memory is as defective as your style. Moreover it is not smart to pretend to knowledge of my life, a subject about which I know rather more than you - especially since I remained determinedly anonymous in the face of your attempts to snoop.
I'm sorry that you have added nothing new scientific to our discussion about Jupiter above the Vatican.
Angel seen in the sky over South Florida on March 13th (the day the new Pope was announced).
Multiple reports to WPTV from viewers plus multiple photos (so, no photo shopping).
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/angel-in-the-sky-south-florida-photographer-talks-about-angel-photo
http://www.wcpo.com/gallery/news/news_photo_gallery/angel-in-the-sky
The Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ (the mother of God). She is not divine.
We Catholics honor her, but never worship her. We do ask her to pray for us and intercede for us.
Human history isn't cyclical or linear, it's a chiasmus.
Physicist, unless we know where Jupiter was at that time and where visible from that photo shot angle, we have no way of knowing what it was scientifically. I have presented all the options, one of which is yours (that it is Jupiter, to which you could add Venus) thank you.
My remark about Mary Divine was not about Our Lady The Theotokos (Greek for Mother of God) but that false prophetess at something or other warning.
Small farm, I would agree on human history, except when there is an intervention divinely done or divinely allowed.
There is however, a tendency for people to repeat patterns, because people don't learn, and are bound to passions and so forth by original sin's inherited effects.
Perhaps a chiasmus with cyclical burps, and a linear trend?
viewed cyclically vs. linear, it is a spiral that viewed from the end looks like a circle and from the side like a linear thing. I always thought this was a good reconciliation of the observable cyclic and linear features of history.
http://www.alternet.org/its-gods-plan-baptist-pastor-told-17-year-old-girl-jesus-wanted-them-have-sex?akid=10186.253027.8HmUhc&rd=1&src=newsletter809825&t=5
this is for the anonymous who wouldn't admit that protestant groups have a sex abuse problem also. That bunch of links I had posted he or she protested didn't work (and they did) each went to
a separate news story of such a
matter, more in the pedophilia
category than this story is but
still you see a problem exists.
to whoever was concerned about "The Mystical Theology of The Eastern Church" by Lossky, I have got a copy and been reading it, and it is as I said, mysticism of EO is NOT New Age or Hindu, and not neo platonist which is why a spiritual elder as guide is often considered important because the vanity of the mind or poison from philosophical notions can warp one in such directions.
contemplation is not emptying your mind, going blank, it is focus on God the personal not impersonal but nonetheless incomprehensible God, more specifically through His revelation of Himself in His Son Jesus Christ. There is a lot of discussion about the differences between Plotinus on the one hand and EO writers on the other. A similar vocabulary was in use but led in very different directions.
This mystical theology is about The Trinity and The Incarnation which are not really that comprehensible, as St. John of Damascus says, don't ask HOW. prying into the internal affairs of The Trinity will drive you mad. Or words to that effect.
Never mind HOW The Second Person is generated from The Father and The Third Person proceeds from The Father alone (The Son is only involved in The Holy Spirit's action in creation and creatures and The Church not in His origin
contrary to the "and from The Son"
clause the filioque which is NOT in The Bible or taught by it, but added by RC not long before it went into schism from us, and even now is beginning to argue it doesn't really mean two origins for The Holy Spirit but that is exactly what it used to teach and argue the
filioque is in The Creed recited by protestants, because it came from RC unquestioned.)
Also, mysticism is about practicality. Theology dictates worship and actions.
Mysticism is above all about ongoing keeping God in your mind and worshipping Him through the day and not keeping your personal life too distinct from your religious life.
Christine,
Sure, it could be checked easily enough whether it was Jupiter or Venus. My objection was that you jumped to weirdo stuff like UFOs BEFORE doing that.
Physicist
I repeat, I DID NOT SAY UFO THAT WAS WHAT THE VIDEO WAS TITLED.
I SAID "BLOB."
that means it could be anything from what the video poster thought, a UFO, to a natural phenomenon either accidental and meangingless or timing issues of what was going on then making it meaningful.
I don't call that jumping. try to read more carefully before you go on the warpath you will look less silly to people who do read carefully and notice that I didn't post the video I merely linked to it because of content.
Christine,
It is normal for stars and planets to be visible in the night sky regardless of whether a Pope has just been elected. The fact that you bothered to bring it to our attention shows that you think it was significant, for you don't post the headline "stars and planets seen" here each evening. Yet you didn't bother to consider or investigate or eliminate the mundane explanation. You are this blog's analogue of National Enquirer.
Physicist
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Constance
Who are the Jesuits?
While many believers in Christ during the Reformation period attempted to spread the truth that God’s Word was truly God’s Word and could not be squandered and kept hostage by the papacy and the Catholic Church, it was not long before the Counter Reformation was founded to bring the “Separated Brethren” back to the “Mother of All Churches.”
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This Counter Reformation was largely headed by Ignatius Loyola, the man who founded the Jesuit Order in the mid 1500s and launched an all-out attack against those who dared stand against the papacy and Rome. This excerpt from Foxe’s Book of Martyrs gives us an idea of the nature and determination of this Counter Reformation...
The Jesuits were commissioned by the Pope to do whatever it took to end the Protestant Reformation. The 1540 Constitution of the Jesuits states...
I'm not saying this article defines the new Pope and his vision for the Catholic Church but it is an informative article worthy of your reading in light of the times we live in as we move closer to the prophetic return of Jesus.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/
Dave in CA
Portugal Joined the African slave trade in the 1400s after receiving permission from Pope Alexander VI..The vatican Endorsed slavery.
Early churches(1600s)brainwashed their Congregation with tales that Noah placed a "Curse of Slavery" on his Black son Ham to Justify Slavery.
During the Spanish Inquisition, the catholic church burned thousands of Innocent women alleged to be "Witches"..Even the Pregnant ones.The Cross was a Pagan symbol which the Early church stole in 7th century to identify with Jesus...Even the early christians rejected it."Christianity borrowed the Sign of the Cross and the concept of a Saviour Dying for Mankind From Paganism" - King Tertuilla(400AD).Early churches(1600s)brainwashed their Congregation with tales that Noah placed a "Curse of Slavery" on his Black son Ham to Justify Slavery.A Great Number of Events surrounding the birth of biblical Jesus strangely resembles those of Buddha and Krishna(1000BC)" -Alan Danielou.On New Year's Day 2004, Pope John Paul II openly called For "A New World Order"...Based on the goals of Freemasonry
If you're seeking for a career in the Art of Brainwashing human beings for a Living...I'll recommend the Bible as a career guide.
U.N Estimates that"over 80million Africans are homeless and Starving" Yet the Top 10 Richest African pastors have a combined worth of $280m.
The Idea of "Spiritual Freedom" for most Protestants is spending hours dancing away to Loud music in church and giving huge sums to a pastor.
Christianity is mental-slavery. It demands followers never to question the Fabulous wealth of their pastors...Even as the Followers starve.
The Bible Did Not arrive by Fax direct from Heaven. It was written by Mortal Men and therefore prone to Error.
Funny how christianity is termed "Peaceful"..A religion which plagues the human race with Lies, Deception and Systematic Usury.
Christianity is anti-revolutionary. Its priests tell their Followers to"Go home and pray to Jesus"rather than confront injustices themselves "At the End of the Day, christians cannot Escape the Fact that the church has Close ties with Freemasonry" Fritz Springmeir.
The church is designed to profit the ruling class by teaching the people to forgive their oppressors.
The church encourages the delusions of believers because delusions are the best way to control a human being.
The church teaches slave-morality, this is why it warns against revolt and always calls for submission.
: The church suffocates the human spirit by turning spirituality into something that one can buy by donating money to a fat clergyman.
During the Spanish Inquisition, the catholic church burned thousands of Innocent women alleged to be "Witches"..Even the Pregnant ones
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"Christianity is anti-revolutionary. Its priests tell their Followers to"Go home and pray to Jesus"rather than confront injustices themselves "At the End of the Day, christians cannot Escape the Fact that the church has Close ties with Freemasonry" Fritz Springmeir."
Which church would that be? Certainly not the one that I am in. New Testament Christianity is counter-cultural and I suggest that authentic Christianity always will be until the day Jesus Christ returns to this earth to put things right. Where Christianity became the culture it ceased to be authentic, although a lot of secular people don't understand this. They would do well to read the Bible for themselves rather than listening to representatives of the institutional churches. As for whether it is "revolutionary" - yes, but spiritually so rather than materially, until HE returns.
The above anti-Christian talk (Anon 8:37) is the reason why the U.S. has drifted away from God and our goverment struggles to find their way.
The pagans got their idea of a savior from Adam and Eve who were told that their "seed" would bruise the head of the enemy.
Humanity knew that a savior would be born to destroy the anti-Christ, it was only fulfilled through Jesus Christ.
The pagans did not have any prophesies close to that of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah and several other prophets of the Old Testamet who prophesied about the coming Messiah. The over 300 prophecies of the Messiah were all completely fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Research it yourself or read it here:
http://www.bibleprobe.com/300great.htm
I would stay away from that proboards page at all costs.
Turn away from pagan fables or else what is prophesied against the godless will happen to you!
The pope is truly a false prophet, but the Protestant church built on the foundation of Jesus Christ and led by the Holy Spirit according to the Bible is the true house of God.
Find a good church and be a faithful tither. Give yourelf to God in a Bible believing, Spirit led church. Stay away from foolish websites who only argue about things they know nothing about and lie about Jesus.
If you cannot find a good church, pray to God to find you one or pray God give you the wisdom to start one. There are no excuses anymore to not live a life pleasing to God. Catholocism largely does not really care about our soul, just our donations.
We pray often for our Catholic brothers who love God, but no true Christian can support the papacy.
the papacy however does pack a lot of clout politically and socially, so should be watched and prayed for.
Irony. Per Drudge headline- Deutsche Bank says only Jesus can save Eurozone.
The Communists and Muslims pack a lot of political and social clout too, but we should not pray for God to guide them or give them success.
We pray for the pope's soul to be saved like we pray for every lost soul knowing that it is possible for us to be tempted and turn away from God too.
There are almost no commies left of any clout except the Chinese. Regarding them and the Muslims, we should pray God put into control those people who will not persecute the Gospel.
And at present, it would be to the point to pray that Assad not get overthrown, because every place the regime change succeeds starts persecuting Christians more freely than they did before.
Merely praying for someone's technical salvation doesn't quarantee that they won't get with the NWO compromised neo conservative illuminati crew of born agains.
Sorry Christina but the word mountain (berg) is mentioned synonymously with rock in several languages. In fact here is a definition for you:
A large mass of earth and rock, rising above the common level of the earth or adjacent land; earth and rock forming an isolated peak or a ridge; an eminence higher than a hill; a mount.
Prophecies (even those not from God) are not usually "in your face". You should know that.
several languages isn't the issue. It is what it means in Italian and/or German which I think Lombard is related to.
Your example fails, because a large mass of earth and rock is a large mass of earth and rocks PLURAL of several sizes, and no one has yet translated "you are Peter and on this rock" as "you are Peter and on this mountain" etc.
most people would draw a distinction in common sense experience between a rock, even a large one, and a mountain.
I'm sorry, I forgot that you seem to know everything.
No, I do NOT know everything. But I do have access to dictionaries on the Internet. And even in English, mountain and rock are different words. One rock, even a boulder, does not a mountain make.
of course, a molehill can make a mountain. ;)
ANON at 8:16AM,
And possibly even MORE interesting is the fact that 7:06PM is also 6hrs and 66 mins forming a 666.
The date he was chosen, 13/3/2013 adds to 13.
13th March is Day #72 or 6 x (6+6)
He is the 266th pope and his age is 76.
7+6 = 13
266 divided by his age, 76, = 3.5 or the exact number of years of the Great Tribulation.
266 (number of popes) + 72 (day#) = 338 or 13 x (13+13).
266 + 76, (his age) = 342 = 18 x 19 or (6+6+6) x 19.
He was chosen 7 days before Obama arrives in Israel. 2+6+6 = 17 or 2 x 7.
2x6x6 = 72, the same figure as the day#
Someone also said that he appeared on the balcony 76 minutes after the white smoke appeared from the chimney.
7+6 = 13 again.
P.
Dear P@7:26am
Great satire on numerology! Thank you!
Physicist [Theoretical]
There goes Christine splicing and dicing again....
Is she working undercover for "Ron Popiel" ?
This is where our "inquiring minds" do not want to go Christine.(good one Physicist).
I found a wealth of information this last week just entering "Jesuits" into the search engine. There are some Jesuit sites that give a lot info about their history and their present day activities. Also wikipedia has a very thorough research article on the Jesuits. Through all this you can find out where the new Pope Francis 1 may be heading with his papacy.
If anybody here is going to get into Jesuit-slagging, would they please quote the *original* source for any allegedly Jesuit vows. There is far too much nonsense spoken on that subject. (NB I write as a protestant.)
Read Alberta Rivera ...
http://www.e-n.org.uk/p-1303-The-religious-hoax-of-the-century.htm
and other sources Alberto Rivera was a fraud. however, here is a link to an expose on the Jesuits a long time ago.
http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/eBooks/Black_Pope.pdf
http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Extreme_Oath_of_the_Jesuits.pdf
Christine,
I never said at 10.42am that I had a high opinion of the Jesuits! What is the evidence that those vows in that Extreme Oath you cite are authentic, please?
Worldview weekend also has an extensive history of the Jesuit order and cultural influence. Worldwiewweekend.com
"The following is the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction given to high ranking Jesuits only. This oath is taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Carlos Didier, translated from the French, and published in New York in 1843." clearly predates Rivera,
so no part of his fraud.
The Jesuits had managed to get themselves suppressed in AD 1773, and perhaps when restored AD 1814 this oath was changed. It is certainly consistent with the feeling and behavior of RC towards the Reformation, so though it may no longer be in play there is no reason to doubt it originally was.
The purpose of the Jesuits, to undo the Reformation any way they could, would of course have remained the same, this being a sort of striking arm for this purpose which however mellow is of course still in play in RC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n7DElN-4ts
debunking the oath, points out there are two versions of the oath. that in itself might point to fraud, but the consistency of the oath's general tone with the early RC wars often physical against the Reformation, could also mean that there being two versions comes from it being current only to the earlier phase of Jesuitry, and was not part of the restored Jesuit order, or heavily redacted.
Jack Chick was in love with scandal and adrenaline, and gullible. Nothing sourced from his stuff should be trusted unless shown to exist before his sources. Which this does.
A good rule of thumb, is that when two or more opponents are flinging wild accusations against each other, all the accusations, or most of them, are either entirely or somewhat true. The second version is clearly relatable to political situations in USA mentioning Knights of Columbus which was founded in 1887. This one might be entirely fraud, based on the earlier one, which might have been excised in the restoration of the Jesuits. Certainly an international order would not have directions for its conduct that are applicable only in the USA.
Does anyone know what ever happened to Pope Benedict XVI's ring? I know according to tradition it was supposed to be destroyed, however, I was watching a news segment on ABC, NBC, or CBS at the time of Benedict's departure, and they aired a story on the man who designed the ring and how he wanted to see it donated to the Vatican museum vs. being destroyed. The commentator stated at the time his request was being considered. Since then, I've never heard another word on the issue, have you?
Pope Francis
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/20/17386717-pope-francis-spoke-of-being-dazzled-by-girl-possible-change-of-celibacy-rule?lite
Here is comprehensive information on the Jesuit Order from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm
Here is the Jesuit's own website and I found lots of very good information on their history and present day activities. This is the United States Jesuit's website and has their info on "Ignatian Spirituality" and advocacy on "Social Justice". For some reason their website is unavailable this afternoon but I am glad I was able to read through it and printed out some info before it became unavailable, maybe they are doing some site maintenance.
Jesuit www.jesuit.org/ - Similarto Jesuit
Gateway to information on Jesuits in the United States, Ignatian spirituality, and social justice advocacy.
Keep going Christine, nice work but where did Didier get it from? Historians today have raised their game and quote original documents or at least those who have seen them and say so. They rightly recognise that anything less is unreliable.
Foxes book of Martyrs is a forgery lifted up from Isis Unveiled. This is something Constance has brought up previously.
There is no secret cable of Jesuits running the world.
The comedy is this nonsense is found both on the loony right and the loony left.
My radical progressive friend told me that the Becket Fund for religious freedom, was an RC conspiracy to establish their own laws.
It turns out that the Becket Fund is Presbyterian and is mostly run by Presbyterians.
Considering Foxes Book of Martyrs was first published in AD 1573 how can it be any kind of copy from Blavatsky, and besides it is all about persecution of Christians by heathens and pseudo Christians not about persecution of pagans by Christians.
(most of the latter is b.s. anyway, a typical situation is two pagan peoples at war, one converts to Christianity due to missionaries converting the king, this group wins the on going war and forces the loser to worship its gods, usual scenario, except now it worships One God The Holy Trinity.
then there were cases of retaliation or protective measures taken by Christian rulers against pagan elements in their realm who were attacking Christians or planning to do so.)
As for the original Jesuit oath, it is highly unlikely that anything that explosive can be found as an original document, but I would suggest you go dig through reports by ex Jesuits of the past few centuries, and see what you can find that you think is credible.
Atrocity laden persecution of Protestants by RC DID occur, read any high school european history book, at least the ones from previous decades, and of course some vice versa.
one big anti Jesuit blooper is the blaming of them for the atrocities by Ante Pavelic of Croatia this was primarily accompanied by local Franciscans.
RC main problem is the sin of pride, and yearned after worldly as well as spiritual status and power, and used forged documents like the Donation of Constantine to support
this. I the DoC is nowdays admittedy by RC to be a forgery. But once you claim temporal power especially when your group is heavily manned and influenced by warrior Frankish culture nominal Christians, you are going to have a
problem of aggression and massacre.
Christine is still leading some kind of information train and no information about the New Age movement is appearing here. Pity.
The subject Constance started with her latest blog post, is Pope Francis I, not New Age particularly. If you want to complain of New Age tendencies in RC, you can also tackle the exposes of it in evangelicalism and often infecting mainline protestant churches, at
http://herescope.blogspot.com
Marianism is the biggest New Age-type problem in RC and Orthodox churches, although it aint so new.
Bingo 7:52 a.m.
Thanks for making your point clear truth and short and sweet to boot. (unlike someone who is on the "information train"--the "big" engine that can't....)
I guess all the good information is going to the archives at the University of Michigan. I understand Dorothy Margraf continues to send information on the New Age movement to her email list. So much information is out there and it should be shared.
I have a video on youtube detailing my reasons for thinking Fatima vision is fake, but not normal human fakery.
I have seen some good arguments ditto
regarding Lourdes. I think there was an earlier vision in the 1800s which warned of fake Marian visions to come.
link to the video is in the links on my blog http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com
Dr. Jacques Vallee, the Astrophysicist and UFO researcher, wrote a book about the amazing similarities between the "visions of Mary" (Lourdes, Fatima, etc.) and
UFO encounters. He compared actual testimonies of these "apparitions" with those of hundreds of UFO close encounters that he's personally investigated, and found startling commonalities. Title: "The Invisible College"; another book based on his UFO research: "Messengers of Deception". Both books helped me in understanding spiritual deception-warfare/ "principalities and powers". Vallee approaches his subject from a scientific and secular viewpoint, but those with any knowledge of this warfare will immediately recognize the implications.
Guillermo
yes, the socalled miracle of the sun was probably a UFO thingy, because the sky was overcast then the clouds seemed to part and there's the sun disk dancing....but with the cloudy sky you can't see the actual sun, to see whether it or something else is doing these gyrations.
also it is possible in a dizzy state - which might be induced electromagnetically - to see a
bright light as gyrating, so even
if it wasn't that cloudy, the possibility of an illusion is definite. Even if it was a divine vision this would likely be some illusion, rather than the sun itself, but there are other things about Fatima that brand it as some kind of deception.
Before the little lady showed up some entity was shadowing the kids, getting closer and clearer over time. This was supposedly an angel but in fact an angel would not need to take time as if to build up power to operate.
The demand they come repeatedly at a fixed time and day of the month sounds like fairy lore. The location is long known to have odd appearances back to pagan times.
the kids didn't think it was The Virgin Mary until pressured into this by a religiously hysterical father of one of them, even his parish priest considered him off the wall. The entity didn't claim to be Mary until later. Nothing in the visions or messages couldn't have been cobbled together from apocalyptic Bible and extrabiblical stuff.
A big problem also are these two things. Of the three, Francisco did not take the communion given by the angel, and he was the least involved, and he said he saw the woman they saw floating in the oak tree as HEADLESS. Lucia had the most contact and communication, and she took the food given.
A year prior either to the sun vision or to the whole thing starting I forget which, TWO announcements were published in newspapers that something important was going to happen on that date. These came from occultist spiritualist sources, one of which was getting messages from something that sounds like modern channeled space brother type entities.
What is the fruit of Fatima? While the movement pushes purity and so forth, the focus is less on Jesus and more on Mary, and is heavily focussed on politics and traditionalism of form rather than content, though content is sometimes a legitimate issue.
The politics are anticommunist, which at first glance sounds like A Good Thing, until you realize it usually dovetails to monarchism (which was always corrupt and prideful by then) and fascism. Hitler saw the predicted mystery light in the sky which was to be before a great war as his marching signal to get going on it.
This is not good.
The Miracle of the Sun occurred at Fatima, Portugal on October 13, 1917.
This event was attended by a crowd estimated to range from 30,000 to 100,000 people.
The event was officially accepted as a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church on October 13. 1930.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/miracle.asp
http://www.ewtn.com/fatima/apparitions/October.htm
I know all that stuff. But there are things about the matter, incl. stuff locked away for 60 years some researchers got to, that points to this being demonic or paranormal human fraud. The number of witnesses do not change a thing.
The Miracle of the Sun would be the same viewed by 1 or 100,000 still an illusion created by a rapidly moving disk below the clouds that obscured the real sun.
And NO observatories recorded anything odd.
There is something peculiar about the way the RC handled the Third Secret and the one revealed is either fraud or incomplete on purpose, which would point to RC having its own suspicions about all this after the fact.
RC decommissioned some saints they had approved for centuries, so obviously the Church isn't proof against error, because either those saints were wrongly canonized to begin with, or they were wrongly demoted later, or (as a group some good some not) BOTH.
Anonymous 4:20 P.M.
According to the head of the Holy See’s press service Federico Lombardi, Pope Benedict XVI's ring was destroyed.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_03_06/Pope-s-ring-destroyed/
Christine:
Re: 'all that stuff'
You are the only 'fraud' on this blog and clearly 'demonic' in your unsuccessful attempts to slander the Catholic faith.
Have you ever stopped to wonder why you are often the only one posting? Everyone else has already left!!!
Of course, with your over-sized out of control EGO, you probably haven't noticed.
may God bless you and solve all your problems. I have no problem with the Catholic FAITH but with the pop Catholicism and disciplines and wierdnesses incl. the unbiblical filioque ADDED to the Mass against the stipulations of the pope who preceded this action.
RC Holy Water works. Orthodox seems more impervious to dilution. Obviously both have Grace. RC and Orthodox admit the validity of each others' Apostolic succession.
now, try to notice someone other than me. Seems you have tunnel vision.
Besides me on this thread alone, have posted Susanna, Guillermo, Physicist, someone signing him or herself as P, Dave in CA, Constance herself, and assorted anonymouses.
That is hardly the picture you paint of no one but me posting here. Oh, yeah, add to that list, yourself.
I know too much about too many to fit in any category easily. That is why my blog is POLITICALLYUNCLASSIFIABLE.
Christine, I am one of the many 'anonymous' posters on this blog, and I have been posting for about 7 years now. I am friends with many of the regulars you have mentioned (along with some you don't even know).
I still say you are often 'alone' posting on this blog, as others are sick and tired of you presenting yourself as 'the last word' and final authority on every subject. You clearly are delusional in that respect.
Susanna, thank you for word on the ring. That's a relief !
why is that a relief, what am I missing here? this was a routine action on the end of any pope's reign which is usually caused by death but in this case resignation.
It's a relief, because the ring maker wanted to see it in the Vatican museum and supposidly the idea was going to be considered. Let's face it, some things have been unusual...the popes don't usually retire, cardinals don't usually act like politicians running for office, and NEVER BEFORE HAS THE NEWS MEDIA BEEN ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SISTINE CHAPEL AS THE CARDINALS WERE TAKING THEIR OATHS AT THE START OF THE CONCLAVE.
The destruction of Benedict XVI's ring is no big deal. These rings ceased more than a century ago to be a seal in the important sense, ie guaranteeing confidentiality of a message from the Pope if unbroken.
popes don't usually retire - True
cardinals don't usually act like politicians running for office - False, check the Renaissance
never before has the news media been allowed in the Sistine chapel as the Cardinal were taking their oaths - So what?
MDM is a fraud who elevated herself above St.John the Baptist. You might want to rethink following her messages.
Spot on Susanna! She is a fraud.
Oh no! Christine is still hogging this blog! I was hoping by now she couls stand on her own feer and start her own blog. I just pop in and out. Just tired of scrolling past all her posts-gets a cramp in my finger!
Benedict XVI announced his resignation on 11/2/2013. Exactly 66 days earlier on 7/12/2012Jacintha Saldanha was found dead in King Edward VII nurses accommodation in London. Her husband's name is Benedict.
P.
Bob Schlenker has plenty to say here in a 4-part analysis of the new pope's coat of arms plus more important information like the purpose of the Vatican observatories.
http://tiny.cc/wo7luw
P.
"Not at My Feet will they fall. It will not be My Feet they kiss, but those of My servants, My followers, My sinners
Friday, March 29th, 2013 @ 07:00 pm
My dearly beloved daughter when Judas Iscariot betrayed Me, he held My Head and kissed me on the cheek. When those who lead My Church say they love Me, and then betray Me, you will see, clearly, their kiss of betrayal.
Not at My Feet will they fall. It will not be My Feet they kiss, but those of My servants, My followers , My sinners.
Showing concern for the needs of fellow human beings is admirable. But when you promote the physical well-being of the needs of man over their spiritual needs it is not I, Jesus Christ, you follow.
Humanism is not Christianity. To be Christian means surrendering all to Me, abandoning yourself in full humility at My Feet. It means allowing Me to guide you. It means obedience to My Laws and doing all that you can to show the example of My Love for you all. Today I was betrayed.
Not for long can, nor will, you be deceived for once the House of God is attacked from within nothing but disorder can follow. You must pick up your Cross and follow Me for soon you will be blindfolded and you will stumble and fall in the dark.
Without the Light of God you will not be able to see.
Your Jesus"
www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
Believe that about the Vatican observatories and you'll believe anything!
Physicist
Here's another subtle change taking place since Pope Benedict XVI's departure:
News for Whose feet did Pope Francis wash?
The Guardian
Pope Francis stirs debate after washing women's feet
Jackson Clarion Ledger - 3 hours ago
In his most significant break with tradition yet, Pope Francis washed and kissed the ... 12 priests to represent the 12 apostles whose feet Christ washed during the Last ... "What he does do, I fear, is set a questionable example.
Pope Francis: papal feet washing sparks fears over women priests
The Guardian - 23 hours ago
Vatican defends Pope Francis' washing of women's feet
Washington Post - 20 hours ago
Pope Francis: papal feet washing sparks fears over women priests ...
www.guardian.co.uk › World news › Pope Francis
1 day ago – Pope Francis kisses the feet of a young offender after washing them ...can the pope maintain discipline in the church if he himself does not ...
Pope Francis includes women in papal feet washing ceremony for ...
www.guardian.co.uk › World news › Pope Francis
2 days ago – Two young women were among 12 people whose feet Pope Francis washed and kissed at a traditional ceremony in a Rome youth prison on ...
Found this article this Easter morning; add this to the list:
http://www.mail.com/int/entertainment/lifestyle/1988680-pope-presides-trimmed-easter-vigil-service.html#.1258-stage-hero1-4
It occurs to me that Jesus healed lepers on the Sabbath in seeming violation of "the Law."
When challenged, Jesus replied that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
I don't think that Pope Benedict's washing of the feet of two women on Holy Thursday was intended as a sign that he would be open to women's ordination.
I think it was intended to correspond with the traditional title of the pope as "servant of the servants of God" - which include women.
Or....maybe it is a little reverse psychology - Jesuit style - to take the wind out of the sails of certain dissenters......
By the way, women's feet get washed right along with the men's feet just about every year at my parish on Holy Thursday and the Vatican's chief spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said the pope's decision was "absolutely licit" for a rite that is not a church sacrament.
Going back to the discussion above that the pagan view of time is cyclic, this is explained in great detail in Mircea Eliade's book The Myth of the Eternal Return.
He's serious about cleaning up the Roman curia:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/14/pope-francis-church-advisory-panel
The purpose of this message is to respectfully warn you and others here about "THE WARNING SECOND COMING" pronunciamentos being served up as "Catholic prophecy."
Glyn Willmoth
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tattoos designs are not stones in the path of religious works. These are only our likes, which we want to inked on our body or on the walls of the room.
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