Dear Readers:
It's been a bad year for me health wise and I'm delighted Richard Peterson (our "Rich of Medford") is assisting me. There are so many developments on so many ugly fronts, it is difficult to keep up. I am increasingly concerned about Evangelical and conservative Catholic devotion to Donald Trump, the raft of books proclaiming that Trump is God's chosen instrument.Donald John Trump is THE CHRIST. Here's opening paragraphs from the worst I've read, PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP, THE SON OF MAN, THE CHRIST. No, that was not referring to Jesus. It was referring to Donald Trump.
Here is the opening paragraphs from that horribly blasphemous book by Trump groupie Helgard Muller:
"PRESIDENT DONALD J. Trump is the King of Kings, And Lord of Lords! The Son of Man who will be seen seated in the place of power at God's right hand and coming on the clouds of heaven! You have read that correctly! President Donald Trump is the Christ for this age! The Son of King David! Prophecies of Jesus and all the prophets point to President Donald J. Trump as the Son of Man, the Christ. People, Christians, and Jews are not aware of how many prophecies President Donald Trump of the United States has fulfilled in his presidency as the Son of Man."
And, here's the cover of the so-far worst book of the year:
1,491 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1491 Newer› Newest»Rayb,
Fact-checkers doing their job. So what? Politicians have long been full of crap and exaggerators.
It's long been a problem for fact-checkers: they feel like they have to call out Democrats for exaggerations or inconsequential misstatements, so that they aren't seen as just "picking on" Republicans. The problem with this is that the Republicans have taken it to a new level, particularly the alt-right Maga qanon wing of the party, having dedicated themselves to deliberately fabricating and trying to construct entire alternate realities.
For example, Biden telling an inconsequential puffing exaggeration is not comparable or in any way justify the orange man's 10,000 lies and complete inability to be honest about anything.
x
Rayb,
Attacking a father of a fallen service member is kind of beneath you. Joe Biden has often attributed the brain cancer that took Beau Biden's life to Beau's apparent proximity to burn pits while serving in Iraq (hence the claim "he was killed in Iraq").
Biden has also conceded, at other times, that he can't be sure. It was 5 years later but cancer, as most know, doesn't grow overnight.
There is nothing unsacred about a grievous father describing the death of his son and attributing it to his military service.
x
2:00 PM
"a grievous father"
For once you told the truth X!
O'Biden is a grievous father---who raised 2 grievous children--he is head of a grievous family who is doing grievous things to his own nation.
Joe "thar he blows" Biden hasn't told the truth for all his decades in his "public" (self) service but the lies are catching up to him--finally! People are running from him, even people from his own party.
For you to admire (your Cyrus King), that skank of a man tells me you must be a grievous father too---well, if you are one. You post like a bitter female--a woke woman with Daddy/Mama issues. Or maybe you are a very frustrated beta male? Don't know, don't care...I just know bitter is what your moniker should be. You are part and parcel of the Democrat Disaster foisted upon this country.
Linda @ 9:44 AM ...
WOW ! You really do have a habit of misrepresenting what I have said.
I have NO quarrel with ANYONE personally. I do have a quarrel with a MOVEMENT that is bound and determined to have their perversions FORCEFULLY accepted by society, and, that includes having their agenda both TAUGHT to, and accepted by CHILDREN.
In case you haven't noticed, a large percentage of children are now identifying as being LGBTQ+. What's changed? It's the agenda making headway with their propaganda.
I became friends with a young man from our church that professed Christ, but remained a homosexual. I did everything I could to help him ... EVERYTHING ... but it was not to be. A talented musician, he had a very charismatic personality. He was a member of our Bible study group that I ran out of my home. Unfortunately, he had a large impact on our group. His constant message of "we're under grace" and "God doesn't really care what we do on earth as long as we believe" was EXTREMELY destructive to other young people in our group. I don't know of a single one of that group that became a committed Christian, and that was almost 40 years ago!
I sincerely care about people. I care more about God's reputation which is being severely tarnished by those that openly commit rebellious sin, and rejoice in it ... all done under His name.
2:42 PM ...
I have a funny feeling that come Wednesday morning, there's going to be an awful lot of 'weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth' in here.
It should be fun to watch.
Ray B,
LOL LOL! Perhaps instead of being so concerned about me, you should reach out to the LGBTQ+AI community.
That's what Linda said in the first place. There's no need to rush to his defense 11:23 AM Anonymous. Ray B has seen the light! LOL LOL!!
Sounds like RayB @ 2:46 has already 3:10 PM.
Reaching out (to any type of anyone) with the Gospel is great.
I do that myself. I encourage anyone who loves the Lord to share the best they have--share the good news of Jesus.
But changing our laws to accommodate their private lusts into the public square, and it's most definitely at the expense of our children and our public institutions, so does not come under the heading of sharing the Gospel.
Why would a christian even try to equate those two things???
X @ 1:10 PM
Hollow really, X. Most of your blather is just weak, and hollow! But I'm sure you're paid by the post, so you blather on nonstop.
"conservative" Rich, or Constance, should limit you to one post a week, as you're MASSIVELY more destructive and disruptive than Christine, ever, may have been.
But they won't do the just, and right thing, because it is completely contrary to their nature. Especially Constance, who is a stubborn goat, NA, pharisee, who worships a phoney, liberal, tolerable, woke jesus. So nothing just, or true can be expected from that old reprobate. They are responsible for the "cesspool" the blog is. No one else is to blame! X is just doing his job he is paid to do.
@ 1:49 PM, X , excuses President Satan for his "inconsequential puffing exaggeration" LOL!!!
While X condemns the "orange man's 10,000 lies". How "middle of the road " of you X, you easy going guy you!
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4:04 PM
You are way over the top about Constance and Rich.
This is not your blog so you are free to go.
Just simply go somewhere else where you can be happier.
It is obviously not here.
X @ 9:48 AM,
It’s disappointing to me that you continually misrepresent facts. E.g., the Supreme Court ruled on one of the PA challenges. Yet it was too late (not retroactive) for a GOP winner in the 2020 election, but will be in effect in 2022 (and beyond, presumably). Were there other races similarly affected by this mail-in voting practice apparently favoring Democrats? Does this not cast doubt on 2020 election integrity?
And regarding the Milwaukee case (the 2nd and 3rd videos posted), the important part is in the mayor’s speech as he addressed the issue (3rd video):
“…It does not matter to me that this might have been an effort to expose a vulnerability that STATE LAW CREATED; it does not matter to me that the alleged crime did not take place at work…”
All urban voters are subject to the same standards, whether D or R; so, no one is disenfranchised.
I should have added this portion of the mayor's comments:
"...nor does it matter that there was no attempt to vote illegally or tamper with any election results..."
I need to add this--since some jump to conclusions--this in no way means I condone her actions.
Craig,
There's a so-called rule book guided by statutes and administrative rules, guidelines, whatever to the extent the legislature granted such powers to the, in this case, Pennsylvania Department of State, Bureau of Commissions, Elections and Legislation which oversees the Commonwealth’s electoral process as well as Campaign Finance, Voter Registration, Office of Notary Public, Commissions and Legislation.
Such statutes and rules are always subject to the courts reviews.
I'm not researching the crap out of this so I'm just guessing the GOP challenged the way the Department of State was handling ballots in PA that were returned with a valid signature but, to some extent or another, the "required" date was missing or improper (illigible, improper, incorrect).
The letter of the law probably says all ballots must be signed and dated but the Department of State rules probably said, a postmark date was good enough or a partially legible date was good enough or attempt to correct such date. Something like that and the exact prior rule isn't really that pertinent. The practice/administrative guidance was taken to court and NOW a judge clarified that the practice of accepting ballots without a perfect date is not proper and they must now set those aside and not count them.
This ruling in 2022 does not make 2020 legally counted and canvassed votes with bad dates that were accepted under the rules and procedures during 2020 invalid, illegal or fraudulent whoever those votes may have been for.
It certainly is not a question of "integrity". Throwing out votes simply because they LACK a signature goes more towards integrity but the fact the GOP didn't get the chance to cancel a bunch of votes in urban areas doesn't bring the entire election into question in hindsight. The GOP just didn't think of this tactic beforehand or didn't get the right judge to do their dirty work for them in 2020.
Does that make sense to you.
As far as Milwaukee, I still don't see how someone finding a way to cheat the elections proves or demonstrates the 2020 election involved such fraud, specifically, in any manner of significant level to bring the election into question. People get prosecuted in every election for fraud. There are checks and balances before and certainly after an election to catch these people.
But I understand the feeling. I still think Gore was ACTUALLY ripped off by voting equipment, the state of florida and the USSC who simply allowed the vote counting process to stop. Had the Gore situation happened in 2020 versus the landslide Biden victory, surely we'd be at civil war right now. I also don't trust the ESS voting equipment. The scandal of 2020 is really all the counties that flipped Blue or Bluer after switching to the much more reliable and auditable dominion voting system. I kind of think much of this stink about 2020 is an effort to maintain power via stopping the proliferation of the more auditable Dominion voting systems. Such "theory" explains Georgia going from Red to Blue.
Just my own personal speculation so I don't blame you for having your own.
In the end, a certified election MUST be over and outcomes respected. The Russians and Chinese LOVE us contending our elections and, from their point of view, exposing a weakness and risk of real participatory democracy. Gore and Hillary both walked away...eventually. IMO, Trump's behavior, besides being unfounded after such a lopsided loss, is unAmerican and unpatriotic.
x
Linda said @ 9:50 AM:
By the way, RayB, you said your god "didn't bother to 'love them into the kingdom,' He brought judgment upon them." My God loves all who will believe in his Son into the kingdom!
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
NOTE: Linda is attempting to conflate two entirely different subjects. I was speaking specifically about the severe judgment that God brought upon the world in Noah's time (he destroyed it with the flood) and the severity of His judgment upon Sodom & Gommorah. I was speaking about JUDGMENT for rebellion against HIM, whereas, Linda attempted to make it sound like I was equating that with those that believe in Christ. Weird.
Also, Linda quoted the two verses from John Chapter 3. It's too bad that she didn't go a little further. She would have found the real reason as to why people reject Jesus Christ, it has nothing to do with a 'lack of love' on the part of God or Christians. It has to do with rebellious sin.
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." - John 3:19
Men reject Christ because they LOVED DARKNESS rather than LIGHT. Why? BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS ARE EVIL.
Vance Havner was an old time preacher that spoke A LOT about sin. This was always one of his favorite verses. He often said that 'Men do not reject Christ for philosophical reasons, or, for a lack of understanding. They know who Christ is, who doesn't? They will not come to Him in obedience because they love their sin more."
I've heard Muslims, Jews, atheists, Mormons, Catholics, etc. use the NAME of Jesus Christ in vain. WHY? Because they KNOW who He is. Most people are under the delusion that they are 'good enough' to make it to heaven. In order to see the need for Christ, their confidence in themselves, and their own 'goodness,' needs to be removed. I know this to be true from personal experience.
Watch this short video. Ray Comfort, in a spirit of love, truth and concern, speaks the "LAW" to two homosexuals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUo8PifQSP4
Craig said:”All urban voters are subject to the same standards, whether D or R; so, no one is disenfranchised.”
Very often rules like these are applied differently in different counties and/or used by the GOP to go after urban votes/ballots much more aggressively than democrat poll workers or observers do likewise in rural areas.
I think I mentioned Ohio where by far more ballot signatures were challenged in the 5 major cities than anywhere else.
The aclu even filed a lawsuit …
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/complaint-league-women-voters-ohio-v-larose
It’s how the GOP has “legally” cheated for decades.
Another example is the county system in Georgia where they used to give counties the same numbers of polls such that Atlantans had to endure hours long lines while rural counties had no lines.
The whole Tuesday vote system is to disenfranchise the working man favoring corporate & conservative politicians.
X
X @ 8:08 PM ...
Where have you been?
Hillary NEVER 'walked away' from the 2016 election. She's been an 'election denier' ever since. She still thinks that election was stolen from her via 'Russia collusion.' It wasn't. And the Steele Dossier, used to target Trump, which her campaign paid for, turned out to be a 100% fraud. Not only that, but the FBI knew it was a fraud and did nothing about it.
Stacy Abrams is another 'election denier.' For the past 4 years, she's been stating that she is the real Governor of Georgia, because her election was 'stolen.' Now, she's going to get her clocked cleaned again, and she's already talking about the 'lack of election integrity.'
Looking forward to seeing what you have to say on Wednesday. Should be fun.
X,
Are you in favor of a Voter needing to produce a valid ID in order to vote?
X,
To get right to the heart of this matter, listen to just half a minute or so from this time stamp (from 1st video I posted):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-faNq1cyxSA&t=318s
In 2020, many of the lawsuits were simply filed too late (by the relevant Court's standard). The GOP is trying to be more proactive this time around.
This points to a lack of election integrity in 2020--it's just that the suits were not put together quickly enough (or the Courts didn't hear the cases timely, perhaps).
You say "proactive", I'd say more eager to disenfranchise minorities, including, in particular, persons of color and the disabled.
8:49 PM,
How in the world can you even attempt to substantiate such a claim?
8:30 PM RayB
Linda's sloppy agape version is really lacking truth, maybe she is misunderstanding something??
Truth and grace go together, 2 sides of the same coin.
Jesus being the perfect balance of both as we read in John chapter 1.
As has been shared here before:
Truth without grace is brutal.
Grace without truth is hypocrisy.
x is brutal.
I hope Linda is not a hypocrite.
"Are you in favor of a Voter needing to produce a valid ID in order to vote?"
No. That's just a hoop GOP'ers want to utilize to make it harder to vote.
Lot's of people move and haven't gotten around to updating their info and just fail to vote due to inconvenience and many disabled persons and poor persons just don't get around to it. It would be illegal to vote where they left and to much troulbe to try to vote absent the ID they haven't yet got where they moved. Of course, conservative voters don't face that issue as often so it's not as likely to effect them and the process of getting an id is just easier for wealthy white fully abled persons. It's just harder for those that don't have cars or even have a need for a driver's license and the ID requirement is just an artificial barrier for such person to participate.
They should be able to sign an affidavit and declare themselves eligible to vote in person even if their address is just homeless. I don't necessarily mind the provisional ballot system where their votes are held in abeyance and, if necessary, confirmed later and counted if the election ends up that close.
If someone owns a home, their name is already registered with the county so even if they don't have a state ID, the county can confirm who they are from the register of the deeds records.
ID voter laws are ok, to some extent, when they automatically "register" a voter whenever they get any state id. But a work-around should be available for persons unable or just unwilling to "register" with the state (some people like living off the grid so to speak...like real libertarians).
Again...real voter fraud is extremely rare. With the proliferation of cameras...even more so. It's too easy to get caught and the penalties are severe (unless you are white)
x
Craig asked: "How in the world can you even attempt to substantiate such a claim?"
At the end of the day, the GOP filed this lawsuit hoping to throw out as many undated and wrongly dated ballots as they can in urban areas. I'm sure a polling of these undated and/or wrongly dated ballots would skew towards younger, less educated, less experienced, minority and democrat voters overall. If not, in practice that would be the end result.
I understand rules would be applied equally, in theory, but that's not what happens as ballots are counted and challenged more aggressively in urban centers by republican observers (I predict even moreso in the future as uneducated maga observers step into such roles and challenge every envelope saying they can't read the date).
Of course, the GOP also want present the implication that rules were somehow bent in prior elections such as 2020 to accept such ballots too, thereby bringing such results in question as lacking integrity but the PA Supreme Court did rule in favor or counting all such ballots back then. The courts makeup has changed since then casting doubt on the rules going forward but I simply agree with the Democrat Governor's position that the rules should be interpreted to favor the franchisement of as many voters as possible.
Remember...these are ballots mailed out in something like August or September and returned by or around election day. If they were signed, of course such signature occurred in that window of time. The lack of date or a misdate (like the wrong year) does not in any way indicate fraud.
I did read a little more about this case. Fairly interesting read.
Why are undated mail ballots such a big deal in Pennsylvania?
https://whyy.org/articles/why-are-undated-mail-ballots-such-a-big-deal-in-pennsylvania/
x
p.s.- it USED TO BE republicans that voted in larger numbers by absentee ballots. Until 2020, the GOP wasn't quite as interested in challenging these laws and procedures. By the time Trump made it clear he wanted his voters showing up at the polls, it was too late to put together real successful challenges to these absentee laws. It's also interesting that republican's control the legislatures in many of these states (PA, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc) and could have helped out Trump the summer of 2020 even more than they did.
Craig @ 8:45
I watched the video you provided.
Of course, Roman Balmakov, of the Epoch Times and a full-fledged member of the falun gong cult gets it wrong calling such updated and/or wrongly dated ballots "illegal" according to the law and indicating it's a matter of election integrity versus just a controversy regarding election rules. There is no evidence fraud is being addressed or any kind of real problem with these ballots. They are just dumb errors --- dumb errors are not an integrity issue.
That article I provided:
Why are undated mail ballots such a big deal in Pennsylvania?
https://whyy.org/articles/why-are-undated-mail-ballots-such-a-big-deal-in-pennsylvania/
Seems to indicate the PA Supreme Court did issue a ruling validating the counting of such ballots in 2020 meaning the issue was decided and they were declared "legal" ballots at that time.
Now they are duking it out once again and the PA Supreme Court make-up has changed largely because a Democrat Justice died.
The 6 remaining Justices appear split on the issue and making things really messy right now. The case is also being appealed to the Federal Courts right now, too, under civil rights laws.
If they decide to disenfranchise voters, it is what it is at that time. Doesn't speak to 2020 at all.
c
Trump invites false teacher, heretic and demon-possessed Kenneth Copeland to the stage to say the prayer at his failed Pennsylvania election rally (much of the crowd walked out as he was speaking). Trump said this about Copeland while embracing the man...
Trump: "I'm going to ask a man who's a great man actually...one of the Great Men of our country, Kenneth Copeland, to come up and say a prayer do you mind Kenneth Copeland"
Kenneth Copeland Prays For Donald Trump (Latrobe, PA)
https://youtu.be/uw40kns811c
x
p.s. - I'm no fan of Opus Dei's, Ron Desantis, but, at least his ecumenical handlers had the sense enough to have Tom Ascol provide his opening prayer this past weekend in Florida.
X,
You've not fully read your own article. Here's the key portion:
Though the question of what to do with undated ballots has never been fully resolved in state or federal court, lots of judges have weighed in on it over the years — including most of the six Supreme Court justices who will now be deciding the case.
Thus, I stand by my original statements, agreeing with Balmakov.
X @ 11:32 PM,
I had only partly heard what happened. Now I'm absolutely appalled that Trump would encourage Copeland to take the podium and "pray"--actually demand that God do COPELAND'S WILL. This is the typical NAR post-millennial view that Christ cannot return until the world is 'Christianized', and that 'Christians' have their part to play in this (as exemplified in the title of Earl Paulk's book [Christ is] Held in the Heavens Until...).
Having said that, I'm encouraged that apparently much of the crowd walked out.
Today expect a red wave and some brown streaks.
Like the Dems aren't going to cheat today! It is the natural thing for them to do.
What do they have to lose?
It's Happening: NYC Polling Station Temporarily Shut Down Due To Pipe Bomb Threat
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THE FIX IS IN: Hillary Attorney Marc Elias Says We Won't Know Who Wins Midterms for Days
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X 2:32 PM
A lot of good info on the movement here. Didn't know Copeland owns Victory TV until now. Keeping my eye on governor's race in Pennsylvania today.
https://buckscountybeacon.com/2022/08/underreported-and-massive-theocratic-movement-joins-forces-with-michael-flynn-and-roger-stone/
Shameless Democrats Spins Paul Pelosi's Sick Perverted Lifestyle Into January 6th
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General Flynn called for “one religion”
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/581443-michael-flynn-says-of-the-us-we-have-to-have-one-religion/
The Democrat Party will always do the bidding of their leader.
They will kill, steal, and destroy.
THE ELITE MOVEMENT LAYING THE FOUNDATION FOR A MAGA THAT WILL OUTLAST TRUMP AND REMAKE AMERICA: INSIDE NATCON PART I
https://religiondispatches.org/inside-natcon-the-elite-movement-laying-the-foundation-for-a-maga-that-will-outlast-trump-and-remake-america-part-i/
Craig @ 6:25 am
I'm not going back to read but I think that refers to the fact last time they sued trying to get undated ballots thrown out, contrary to the Department of State rules and procedures, which was resolved at the PA Supreme Court in 2020 (with the majority, as I recall, including one Justice indicating such decision was to apply to that 2020 election as ballots were already out and returned, but not, necessarily future elections).
Now the lawsuit was about both undated AND wrongly dated ballots and whether they all should be counted, set aside or discarded.
I think my point was, "legality" or "illegality" is decided by the court, not by some cult journalist. The rules in 2020 weren't overturned and stated those ballots were valid. Now the court seems to be indicating, pending Federal appeal, they are not valid. At any time, it would be illegal to count invalid ballots. In 2020, these kind of ballots were valid and thus, not illegal to count them.
x
p.s. - thanks 8:42 am - informative indeed. Clay Clarkson is such a swarmy heretical grifter, isn't he?
Just a few thoughts on Kenneth Copeland and Donald Trump:
First, only God knows people's hearts. Having said that, there isn't any real, concrete evidence that Donald Trump is actually a born again believer. He appears to hold to what he was brought up in; his family attended the church of Norman Vincent Peale, author of the book 'The Power of Positive Thinking,' which for decades has sold millions of copies. Peale's message is very much akin to Copeland, who is a leader in the *false ecumenical, heretical 'word of faith' prosperity gospel movement. With Trump's exposure to Peale, it's not too surprising that Trump would be associated with that heretical ilk. (If you are not born of the spirit of God, you 'CANNOT receive the things of the spirit,' so where would Trump's discernment come from?)
Second, Trump is a politician. The very nature of politics is to not make enemies with those that support you. To do so is political suicide. Many, not all, of the heretics of the 'word of faith, prosperity gospel' movement have aligned themselves with Trump. As a POLITICIAN, I'm not so sure what Trump's options are.
* Watch this eye opening 'service' in which the 'pope' appears via video, while the tongues speaking Copeland (to a standing ovation) calls for 'unity' with the papacy. (This represents a seismic shift towards establishing the prophetic One World Religion) Is Trump (the non-Christian) a part of this movement as well? It sure looks like it.
Pope Francis Sends Video Message to Kenneth Copeland - Lets Unite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA4EPOfic5A
PS: I am hoping that Trump decides that he is NOT running again. IMO, we need to shift away from him. Personally, at this time, I would much prefer Ron DeSantis over Donald Trump.
Try to imagine the uproar if a conservative 'wife' was allowed to appear in the "monologue" proclaiming her PRO-LIFE position? We'd never hear the end of it.
But declaring the virtues of killing babies in the womb? Now that's entertainment!
Hollywood Democrat Closing Argument: Jimmy Kimmel’s Wife Crashes His Monologue for Election Eve Abortion Lecture
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/11/08/democrat-closing-argument-jimmy-kimmel-wife-crashes-his-monologue-for-election-eve-abortion-lecture/
Now that needed to be said! WOW ! Dear Leader has a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth.
Joe Biden: Historic Black Universities Are ‘Just as Smart’ as Other Colleges
From the article:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/07/joe-biden-historic-black-universities-are-just-as-smart-as-other-colleges/
Biden defended the “historic” $5.8 billion in funding he budgeted for HBCUs as president.
“HBCUs don’t have the endowments others have, but guess what, you’re just as smart, you’re just as bright, you’re just as good as any college in America,” Biden said.
“That money is to build laboratories and other things for the future that you need to have access to,” he added.
Biden’s comment recalls a number of racially insensitive comments he has made about black people.
“Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids,” he said in 2019 during a speech in Iowa on the campaign trails.
6:47 AM
I would have walked out too.
But truthfully I would not have even been there anyway, even if he was in my area.
I am not following all this, I follow none of the rallies, I catch bits and pieces (I do not have TV) and highly selective on the internet and though I am not surprised complete pragmatist Trump would do that I think he made a huge mistake letting that literally possessed heretic on the stage. Not a good look no matter what.
Trump knows economics, Trump knows how to govern about many things that are American tenets that could be and should be kept and insured (though I think too late now anyway) but I have always thought of Trump as dead spiritually. Like I think of Obama and Biden and the Hildabeast...like the nearly countless many many others walking the halls of our institutions. To me, more and more I see America as Babylon of the Book of Revelation. (fallen, fallen.. it is going to happen)
I am ready for Jesus' reign. This world is toast..it will fry. People are in one of 2 camps. Repentant, Forgiven, and saved by the Blood of the Lamb, or die in their sin with no Savior--for those only judgment awaits. Christians need to be about the Father's business and share the Gospel unto salvation while there is time...at whatever cost (much more than likely will be at great cost).
There are some more things to witness and endure of this world before all is said and done until then....
......even so come Lord Jesus.
What we are fighting for ...
Republican Yesli Vega: ‘Insane’ Democrats ‘Talking About Jailing Parents for Protecting Their Children’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/07/republican-yesli-vega-insane-dems-talking-about-jailing-parents/
From the article:
At a large event in Triangle, Virginia — just minutes away from Quantico — Vega was joined by Attorney General Jason Miyares (R), Lt. Gov. Winsome Earle-Sears (R), and Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) to rally voters on the night before the election.
“It’s insane that you have to be over 18 years of age to get in a tanning bed, but it’s okay for a 12-, 13-year-old to mutilate their bodies,” she continued, speaking of the issue of transgender-identifying children.
Do you REALLY want to heal your country? How about becoming the 'salt' that God has called us to be?
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." - 2nd. Chronicles 7:14
Rayb,
Context is everything. You simply can't use that verse like that on it's own. You speak against the NAR but this verse is being abused by GOP dominionists too.
What is the context of 2nd Chronicles 7:14
This was after Solomon set up the Temple of God
The verse is tied up with Israel and the temple.
It was a reiteration of the covenant and Deuteronomy 28.
Bringing Israel to repentance and promise to bless them.
Such promise was to ancient Israel and maybe modern-day Israel.
It has nothing to do with the gentiles let alone the United States.
It is a new covenant under Jesus Christ.
US doesn't have the same covenant relationship with God.
Improper to apply these terms to another nation and after Jesus and the new covenant.
Plus...a "nation" repenting is not the same as a subset of the citizens of any nation repenting themselves.
Repentance for individual Christians is worthwhile and we should all be praying the Lord opens all our eyes. Whether anyone is or votes red or blue, right or wrong matters more. We are not enemies.
x
Mystery man X, how can you "teach" the Word of God, when you are a liar, deceiver, slanderer, murderer, and you can't even disclose what your doctorate is? You are as phoney as a 3 dollar bill, and as 'christian' as Judas.
X,
2nd. Chronicles is expressing a spiritual truth that is applicable to ALL believers that live in the nations of the earth. Within 'physical' Israel, there was always the remnant of believers, i.e., spiritual Israel. Paul speaks of this in Romans 9. As do many other references throughout the scriptures as well.
Consider this verse:
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
- Psalm 9:17
Notice that this verse specifically states "all the nations," and not just Israel, even though it was written in the OT, it's application is timeless.
And this verse:
“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.”
- Proverbs 14:34
Also, this verse does not state "Righteousness exalteth Israel," but has an application obviously to all nations, as expressed by the phrase "any people."
In short, it the principle encompasses ALL NATIONS as in "any people," not just Israel.
The old covenant pointed to Christ. There never was a time whereby salvation could be earned by religiously obeying the law. Grace was always necessary, as was faith, even in OT times.
Dispensationalism has done much damage to people's understanding, because they falsely declared that during OT times, salvation was obtained by strict adherence to the law. Equally as destructive is their teaching that we are now in the 'age of grace,' which many interpret to mean that, due to grace, they can live a self-willed life without any consequences in this life, or, in the judgment to come.
Dick Pox dems, twisted policies,
An unenforced ministry....
Gaping with Talmudic flaws,
Watch Joe's rotting nation crawl !!!!!
X's religion is himself, his creed is your disease;
His back's so full of welts, Satan's his belief....
X don't care about your feelings,
Pain and torture's what we get;
He rapes the girls in love,
and he make the boys......eat his blip!
X craps on your grave,
Utter desecration!
He spits in your face,
without an hesitation.....
Like Joe he's sick and depraved
Society's garbage of what I'm made
In love with Joe's hatred............
Endless war and violent ways!
Here we go again ... it's 2020 all over again. Amazing that they just couldn't get these 'issues' solved PRIOR to election day! Long lines of voters being made to 'wait' while the issues are being addressed.
The Steal Is Happening in Maricopa County
https://thelibertydaily.com/the-steal-is-happening-in-maricopa-county/
From the article:
Around 40 vote centers in Maricopa County, Arizona, or roughly 20 percent, are running into issues with their tabulation machines.
While this issue is creating long lines, county officials said that they are addressing the issue and offering solutions to the public in the meantime.
“We have been able to remedy this at some centers,” Maricopa County Supervisor Bill Gates said at a press conference on Tuesday.
If a tabulation machine is not working, voters are being asked to place their ballot in drawer three of a ballot box, which means the ballot will be sent by a “bipartisan” group to the downtown Phoenix tabulation center to be counted late tonight or early tomorrow morning.
It’s the 2020 playbook all over again. They pick heavily populated voting districts under Democrat control. They have some sort of malfunctions, water main breaks, or whatever else they can muster in order to get eyeballs off the vote counters so they can manufacture just enough miraculous votes to help Democrats win.
This case is particularly heinous because the Secretary of State in charge of elections, Katie Hobbs, is on the ballot for governor.
12:59
I have never proclaimed myself to be a teacher of the Word. I've seen the 2nd Chronicles 7:14 debated often among reformed and regular Baptists.
Also...What lies, what slander and whom did I murder (Rayb will surely be correcting you soon that murder is a legal term). Do you falsely accuse me?
I'm under no obligation to reveal personal details and serve myself up to further Luciferian attacks, potentially in my real life; but, if you feel compelled to do so, please share your name and address and profession. If convenient for me, maybe I'll then drive by and we can chat or I can help you locate a decent church nearby. We operate in many regions of the country so someday eventually it should be convenient.
x
X obviously you don't understand Biblical principals.
But you screw up and twist the Gospel too, so it's expected of you.
Yours is not a Biblical worldview.
You can even screw up a one man rock fight since the one you are really fighting is yourself as you fight against God. So you do you. Continue on your own wayward path in your very loud and needy demands for lots of attention for your train wreck ideology and keep on making a spectacle of yourself....whatever.
If God wants to do as that verse in 2 Chronicles was quoted in this day and time, if people of a nation turn from their wicked ways back to Him, then He will. God knows how to steer hearts and minds that want His will. No one can stop Him.
If He is done with all the nations (they are as a drop in a bucket to Him) then He will carry on with what He has said regardless until every word of His Word is fulfilled and there will one day come a new heaven and a new earth. It's His plan, not yours.
"We operate in many regions"
His name is "legion".
Drive-by demonic services offered.
HM.
Aren't our modern times something?
Another verse came to my mind regarding the preserving 'salt' effect that believers have upon a nation, or, society:
“Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.” - Isaiah 1:9
Note a couple of items; first, it was the Lord's sovereign act that protected and "left" a "very small" remnant. God's hand of judgment was withheld due to HIS leaving a remnant. This verse very much reveals God's sovereignty (also reflected in Romans Chapter 9), in that it is He that is doing His work through His 'remnant,' which He has protected for the benefit of society. Also, notice that, clearly, had it not been for His work, they would have decayed to the point of being Sodom & Gommorrah." Recall that Sodom & Gommorrah were destroyed because there were not even 10 righteous to be found? Things were so wicked that even the 'remnant' had to be removed ... before the cities of the plain were completely destroyed. (The archeological site can be visited ... there is NOTHING there, other than a lot of brimstone, of the type that is not found anywhere else in the world).
This verse also gives deeper meaning to 2nd. Chronicles 7:14.
I've always been convinced that the only reason God withholds his destructive hand of judgment upon America is because of His "very small remnant." Of course, this holds true for every nation, not just ours. God has His remnant in virtually every nation on earth, but when the 'salt has lost its savor' it is trampled down because it is useless. Prophetically, that is where we are heading.
Another quick note; virtually ALL of the great revivals throughout history involved God's people returning to Him. The 'modern' era has forgotten this, thinking that presenting a watered down 'gospel' is the answer. That produces nothing. It doesn't even change the people that have been so-called 'converted.'
When God's remnant people get serious (and fearful) about God, He will respond. Until then, this world is going to continue to slide into the abyss. Rampant apostasy has been prophesied for the last days. It sure looks like we're there.
Rayb,
Again, 2nd Chronicles 7:14 is not a universal promise to all believers in all times. 7:14 even starts in the middle of a sentence which should give you a clue that it is being utilized out of context. This promise is given specifically to God’s covenant people Israel, and it shouldn’t be universally applied to the church, or especially to any nation.
It's not lost on me that the Christian Right was led to this verse by radicals in the Christian Identity (Pete Peters) movement and the rebellion theology of the reconstructionists, such Rushdooney. Taking back this country to its 1776 roots is awash with white nationalism as you can't go back without acknowledging, or implying the founding fathers were all about protecting one race and one "identity" from "european" (Jewish) persecution.
Truthfully, we are far more blessed in our time because of Jesus and His sacrifice providing us a path to atone for our sins...no matter which country we live in, or how much worldly prosperity we have or don't have, individually or as a nation. Perhaps 2nd Chronicles is relevant today in that our bodies, indwelt with the Holy Spirit are the Temple, no matter how hard our heretical 'nationalist' politicians try to insist our Nation is the Temple or can be somehow new age like transformed into "the Temple" by us.
x
p.s. - It's amazing how much of the white nationalist, dominionist, 7 mountain mandate, and/or the religious right has relied on this verse dating back decades. I'm no supporter of Andy Stanley saying the Old Testament is "completely unhitched from the New Testament", but at the same time I don't read 2 Chron 7:14 as performative. In doing so one is adding pretext to the text and fatalizing that the Bible is somehow a repository of a specific divine power that Believers can tap into today and by imitation...duplicate such covenant promises today. That sounds very new age to me and I certainly would never trust the grifting maga false teachers today that liken themselves in charge of receiving such (false) covenant on our behalf (probably as a false prophetic word).
2:51 pm
I'll need to pray on that and think about it.
At first glance, I think we agree....
You said: "God knows how to steer hearts and minds that want His will"
I think I'll let God handle that, on an individual basis...not some human politicians and their heretical gang of false teachers, thugs (fascists and anarchists) and/or one world ecumenical church attempting to "steer" a nation towards 'their' (Corporate) will (pretending it's "His" will).
x
You can have your opinion on 2nd. Chronicles 7:14. I have no problem with that. However, I can cite many very sound, orthodox Christian preachers and commentators that hold to the exact position that I do. One example; Charles Spurgeon, the "Prince of Preachers," preached far more out of the Old Testament texts than he did from the NT, and not surprisingly, he preached on 2nd. Chronicles 7:14. He applied this verse to ALL people that are 'called by' His 'name.' My position reflects the same as that of historical, orthodox interpretation. AGAIN, it is backed up with the two previous verses (both from the OT) that I cited.
The fact that 'dominionists,' etc. often use this verse does not automatically negate its actual meaning.
I still do not know any so called 'Christian Nationalists' or 'Christian White Supremacists,' neither am I aware of their websites, etc., which leads me to believe that these people represent a relatively small group of insignificant people.
Rayb @ 3:51
Who are those that make up this "remnant" in the United States?
Who are their leaders?
Are these remnant leaders anointed and devine?
Are they above the law?
Are they sinless?
Sure sounds like justification for a war against "them", the non-remnant. Rooted in rebellion theology, right?
Are you suggesting the modern-day remnant is found in Maga?
x
p.s. -I read Isaiah as Isaiah's hope that the Lord will have compassion upon him and his people, the remnant. Maybe it seems you want to tie in Isaiah's "works" as a duty and protectorate of their salvation? At the very least, it seems if one believes they are a member of the remnant, they can self-justify any actions taken, even violence, as being His Sovereign works "for the benefit of soceity" through such self-attested 'remnant' individuals.
X,
You offer a very, historically unorthodox view of this verse, and, you've completely misinterpreted what I wrote.
You are going way off into left field. You continue to mix everything up with politics. NOTHING that I said has ANYTHING to do with what you are saying.
You need to get grounded in the Scriptures. On virtually every subject, you're like a spinning top that's going off into all kinds of strange directions.
Being TOTALLY obsessed, as you are, with "MAGA" and "Q-Anon," and "Trump," and "White Nationalists," and "White Supremacists," etc., etc. is not healthy.
Our Voting Experience ... VERY heavy turnout that does not bode well for Democrats.
My wife & I just voted. We live in a very conservative, overtly Republican area, and not surprisingly, our voting district is also heavily Republican. As is typical, there were people handing out their literature. One young man handed me his brochure and asked for my vote. I searched his brochure, which had all the typical 'I'll protect social security and medicare,' 'I'll fight for you, because I'm one of you,' blah, blah, blah
However, I was unable to find his stated party affiliation, which my wife also noticed.
When we went to cast our vote, sure enough, he was listed on the ballot as a Democrat. We walked out together, and to my surprise, my wife went right up to him and told him that 'he was playing dirty politics' and asked 'why didn't you put in your brochure that you are a Democrat?' He seemed stunned that someone actually called him out on his purposeful deception. A Republican volunteer came up to my wife and gave her a hug and said 'good for you.'
Apparently, this Democratic politician was attempting to run away from his own party affiliation. That's not a good sign for Democrats.
Whoa. The malcontent at 5:46 PM is supremely frustrated.
That jacka$$ brays all the damn time.
He can't just disagree and leave it at that. It's been said that some would stand at a wall and argue with the wallpaper----it is for sure this poor toad will.
So, he it takes anything, everything, way beyond the intentions in the mentions to contort things to make it all about the god he worships--politics. And his favorite blood sport remains, slander, smear, and blame. Some christian he is.
It is zero respect that he deserves...and gets.
He brain is rotting on it's steady diet of liberal woke humanism.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste x.
Notice Ray won't answer the questions about the remnant and, I presume, he thinks he and his maga cult members are a part of it (while he regularly ignores the Biblical command to go to church and not lie).
Everything Ray post is political. The fact, on election day, he shared and hit upon 2nd Chronicles 7:14, a foundational white supremacist dominionist verse, surely wasn't an accident.
I won't be surprised by the Luciferian Maga victory tonight. Sure I would have loved a blue wave and seeing the nation fall back onto a narrow path but, alas, the path to deception is very wide.
If would be nice to see Rayb actually lead on this "being the salt" and start by reigning in his lying and turning from his wicked cult.
x
Ray at 6:37
I don't believe your story but supposing I did...I noticed much of the literature this campaign cycle on both sides didn't start with or always include at all their party affiliation. It wasn't deceptive and all your wife did was act like a complete Karen pretending to "call him out". His party affiliation was clearly on the ballot AND plenty of people split their tickets and vote for various candidates from either party. It's not HIS job to inform you of his party affiliation because, for most normal people, that is not all that matters. I, myself, voted for one specific Christian Non-maga republican. Also, saving social security is obviously a democratic party candidate issue so it should have been obvious from the get go.
Why is the actual democrat candidate hanging out himself at a predominantly republican precinct anyway? I'm sure old white voters he really thought he could persuade, in person, at an actual Maga-dominated voting precinct.
But hey...you and your wife can probably celebrate JD Vance's homosexual-sponsored victory tonight. Do you think Peter Theil is a leader of the remnant?
x
BITTER x.
Double BITTER x.
LOL
Double LOL!
"Today expect a red wave and some brown streaks.
6:56 AM"
Poor x.
He wanted blue, he got brown.
X is a VERY sick person. I honestly believe that he actually has mental issues, along with obvious spiritual issues. He can't even properly interpret a VERY easy verse to understand ... 2nd. Chronicles 7:14
In fact, I have NEVER heard anyone NOT understand the obvious meaning of this verse, but that was before X.
X's hatred and obsession with all things Trump should be a lesson for all of us. He's totally possessed with his intense hatred and that hatred has blinded his eyes to any reason. It's so bad, it's actually scary.
Rayb,
It is you with the unorthodox view of such verse.
What is the meaning of 2 Chronicles 7:14? | GotQuestions.org
https://youtu.be/K1rJkM9zkUk
I looked briefly for a Spurgeon interpretation and didn't see it. Like I mentioned, it an often misinterpreted verse so it wouldn't suprise me if Spurgeon's name has been utilized inappropriately or inaccurately???
x
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/its-obvious-now-americas-voting-system?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=263063&post
Welcome to the Banana Republic of Biden — where the voting machines break down and the tabulators fail and the paper runs out on Election Day!
STOP being mean to X! He gets up early every morning, and stays up very late working at his two small businesses!
He does his business here every day.
In x's sick mind (extreme TDS) he thinks former President Trump is somehow part of the @ Chronicles 7:14 scenario.
That portion of Scripture is directed (literally to Israel then and in principal now) to those who are the people of God (Trump like almost all people in political office is not a believer) so it is the believing that need to turn back to their first love in returning to the Lord. By repentance, seeking His face, removing themselves from sinful choices of immorality, greed, etc, become thankful again, humble again, wholeheartedly choosing to obey God (with a walk not just talk testimony) and give the Lord the glory that is due Him. That is a believer's choice. God's choice, depending on His timeline and purpose, is to bless or remove blessing at His discretion, but regardless the message to a believer in God is to turn from wickedness to the Lord, be the salt and the light regardless of blessings for this life or not.
x gives glory to Biden. His comments about that have been repeated many times. He supports, enables, and glorifies, the wicked policies and practices of radical leftism and believes supporting that equates with being a christian. That is deluded and deceived thinking. He lives for this world's kingdom, not the Lord's coming kingdom when Christ Jesus will rule upon the earth
So, of course, x gets that totally wrong because his first love is his hateful politics.
The Untied States of America.
That is not a typo.
We are a very divided nation.
And soon won't be one as the Great Reset is advancing much more quickly.
The dollar is in real danger now, climate change is here to stay and the next pandemic will play for keeps, not just practice.
The mark of the beast is coming. It is almost here.
This caught my attention more than anybody's vaccine opinions have done in a while. Paul Offit! He has been a notorious opponent of the autism anti-vaxxer community for so many years. The Philadelphia Inquirer is running this article today. He says the COVID boosters have been "grossly oversold."
Vaccine advocate, on science, truth, and why he’s not a fan of the latest COVID boosters
https://nordot.app/963365636567629824?c=592622757532812385
Wow! Nice for this to be acknowledged. The true silent majority of our time in America has already known this for a while. "Offit spoke with The Inquirer recently in a series of interviews about his concerns that his data-driven approach is increasingly at odds with a polarized America, where nuance and reasoned debate can be attacked as signs of ideological weakness."
As a tangential note, I realized where it came from that I was called "waffling" and "lukewarm." It came from watching Dr. Sherri Tenpenny videos. She uses those same exact words. (She would be an example of attacking nuance and reasoned debate as a sign of ideological/religious weakness).
The craziest of all my relatives called me up on the phone while I was sick to warn me that the COVID vaccine is the mark of the beast. I was numb while she immediately launched into her warnings and talked non-stop. I had a headache all day afterwards. She said she gets most of her news from Natural News and Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. When I looked up Sherri Tenpenny, not realizing she had been claiming the vaccine is the mark of the beast, I saw the words "waffling" and "lukewarm."
For all practical intents and purposes, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is being treated by many people as if she were an end-times prophetess. If you are reading this and you have been reacting to her as if she were an end-times prophetess - please stop - and pray about it.
Linda,
I noticed a while back in this comments thread, you said you proved to yourself through research that the giants descended from Ham. What were your sources? I'm interested in researching this topic.
J,
The waffling, and lukewarm had not come from Dr Tenpenny! I was used in general.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. Dr Tenpenny seems like a humble person. Just because some folks think she may be "an end-times prophetess that's a blot on her? Maybe your "craziest relative" fits right in?
I don't think the COVID jabs are the MOTB, but is a population reduction tool, and also a tool to get people conditioned to compliance. A warm up for the mandatory compliance to MOTB.
A lot of Christians got the shots. It maybe that a lot, if not most Christians, will take the MOTB? I pray not.
9:49 AM,
You probably picked up on something that was passed around the internet like a meme. Dr. Tenpenny may or may not have started it.
My last paragraph is not ridiculous at all. You place such confidence in your predictions and are so strongly condemning of me for doubting them. You do believe in it as if it is prophecy. Are you the prophet, then? If not, who is?
Don't tell me it comes from the Bible. Bible prophecy is notoriously difficult exegesis. It's your interpretation - your eisegesis.
I will speak as strongly to you as you do to me.
I think Paul Offit's example is one of many that shows that people have not been completely conditioned to compliance. The Philadelphia Inquirer is a mainstream media newspaper in a liberal city. It shows that control is not completely locked down over the scientific and medical world and over the media world.
While I was sick, I had a flashback to RayB immediately being completely confident that COVID is a hoax. He shared video after video showing empty hospitals. He never had a doubt in his mind.
Then suddenly one day he pivoted to recommending the Zelenko protocol, without ever acknowledging that he had changed his mind and now considered COVID to be a real virus, not a hoax.
I followed the FLCCC protocol, which is close to the Zelenko protocol. There is considerable overlap between the two.
I took the FLCCC recommended dose of Ivermectin as soon as my husband tested positive for COVID, before I had symptoms. I still got sick. I still have low blood oxygen something like three weeks after testing positive and something like two weeks after getting over my high temperatures.
My son still has increased tics. His doctor said that all his kids who have a tic disorder (like Tourettes but not necessarily Tourettes) have tics and anxiety and OCD that gets worse from COVID and stays worse and goes on and on and on.
I recall people in this comments section being completely confident that Ivermectin was a COVID preventive and cure.
Everybody thinks it's all about a strong immune system. Nobody ever talks about cytokine storms or long COVID, which may be auto-immune / auto-inflammatory in nature, like CIFDS.
My immune system did fine. I have a strong tendency to get allergies, but often when family members are sick, I don't get sick.
I have tried before to talk about the spike protein possibly causing auto-immune reactions or cytokine storms for BOTH the vaccinated AND those who get the wild type virus. I remember X was the only one who acknowledged this, BUT he was so certain that the risk of the wild type virus was greater than the risk of the vaccine.
WHO can discuss anything honestly, reasonably or with an open mind?
Do people have faith that, if the Holy Spirit is indwelling them, they are automatically right about all of their opinions about everything now?
Does Calvinism make people think it's wrong to TRY to get anything right, because after all, Christians can't do anything good or think anything true by their own effort? So if they automatically think or do something, well, it has to be right, if it feels automatic?
I don't understand people. I don't understand any of you.
Speaking of vaccines...
What do we know about the safety of CovidVaccines in pregnancy?
Dr. Victoria Male has kindly compiled...
30 studies... In 8 countries...
And more than 359,000 people women vaccinated in pregnancy...
Find no increased risk of any pregnancy problems following COVID vaccination.
COVID-19 vaccine safety in pregnancy - table of studies
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19FNXcmdI0MU6RPmvKYo_g9zEWPKl2-l760OX_8zww3E/edit
However...a covid-19 infection during pregnancy can lead to...
Pre-term birth (OR 1.48)
Pre-eclampsia (OR 1.6)
Stillbirth (OR 2.36)
Neonatal Death (OR 3.35)
Here's another summary document by Dr. Male:
Explainer on COVID vaccination, fertility, pregnancy and breastfeeding
Viki Male, Lecturer in Reproductive Immunology at Imperial College London
Last updated 5 November 2022
● Want to know about COVID vaccination and female fertility? Go to page 1
● Want to know about COVID vaccination and periods? Go to page 3
● Want to know about COVID vaccination and male fertility? Go to page 4
● Want to know about COVID vaccination during pregnancy? Go to pages 5-10
● Want to know about COVID vaccination while breastfeeding? Go to page 11
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_wHIYX-tGkGBPwuax7N8BxZPR4PTTCDm/view
Who is Dr. Victoria Male?
From https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/v.male
I am a Senior Lecturer in Reproductive Immunology based in the Department of Metabolism, Digestion and Reproduction at Imperial College London.
I did my PhD at the University of Cambridge on NK cells in human pregnancy. I then went on to a post-doctoral project investigating the transcriptional control of NK cell development in mice, which I undertook at Imperial College London. In 2015, I was awarded a Sir Henry Dale Fellowship, which I used to start my own laboratory at the Royal Free Hospital Campus of UCL. Working closely with the liver transplant team, my group showed that long-lived resident NK cells are present in the human liver and defined some of that pathways by which they develop. We also showed that NK cells recruited to the liver become less functional in obesity-associated liver disease, and that this is associated with a decreased ability to clear cancer cells.
In 2019, I returned to Imperial, and to reproductive immunology. I took up a Borne-funded Lectureship in Reproductive Immunology in 2021 and was promoted to Senior Lecturer in 2022. My research group is interested in how innate immune cells in the human uterus, particularly ILCs, are involved in the physiological processes of pregnancy and how this may fail in disorders of pregnancy such as pre-eclampsia and pre-term birth. During the pandemic, I have also been involved in collating and communicating information on the effect of SARS-CoV2 infection and COVID vaccination on fertility, pregnancy and breastfeeding, and in research on how COVID vaccination affects the menstrual cycle.
I lecture on Immunology of Pregnancy, Immunology of Transplantation, Viral Immunity and SARS-CoV2 Immunology, act as a mentor to a Windsor Fellow and do outreach in local primary schools.
x
"I recall people in this comments section being completely confident that Ivermectin was a COVID preventive and cure."
For some it was, J. I never said it was for everyone. But people were not given the option for their own health choices.
My sister with asthma, on inhalers, used it and recovered very quickly. She was getting sicker by the day and by day 3 she knew she had to do something. She lives out of town a ways and lives alone. She had passed out and was laying on her kitchen floor when she came to. She used Ivermectin (used the guide for weight dosage) she had on hand for her horses, and felt improvement very soon right after that.
Within 2 days of using it she was good to go. (but I still want her to move to town..)
There is reporting in countries that did great with it. Northern India and a large part of Africa has been well verified and documented, to have done well with it's use to keep disaster from happening.
We, in this country, supposedly free, should have had options but were not allowed them. That is a huge problem. Huge. Censoring information is of the devil and too many people are allowing for gov/big media--big powers--to call all shots. And with much more than covid.
I do not believe the covid vaxx is the mark of the beast.
I am not anti-vaxx per say, but I am against this vaxx (and all that surrounds it).
Covid was not a hoax, but the response by our government (many departments of governing infested with ideologues (Obama Fauci, etc people) running the show with long standing power and resources to push it) sure was. Their hands are filthy with it. Trump was "schnookered" and cornered into buying the narrative at that point, lots of Americans caught completely off guard by this.
It was based on lies--those behind the scenes schemers were covering their lies to make it seem that they were the only ones who had our best interests------that is a lie.
Glad you are better now and pray your son gets over all residue and results of covid.
11:16 AM,
I'm glad Ivermectin helped your sister with asthma.
I completely agree with you that people should have the freedom to try.
Thank you for your gracious prayers for my son.
J,
I do hope you are feeling better.
I don't think I was "so certain"...I just imagined and felt the evidence, to date, suggested pretty clearly that the entire wild virus was probably more likely to create an unrecoverable storm than just the non-replicating Mrna hook.
The Mrna hook was supposed to stimulate an immune reaction and whether ones reaction is to the mrna hook or the natural wild virus, such exposure to the wild virus was coming for everyone, eventually; and, it's not going to be fun either way, but more especially if it's novel to ones immune system, on average (as you are now aware - I think you chose to remain unvaccinated).
^^^^ I'm king of the run-on sentence and comma splice ^^^
It didn't kill you. Congrats and count your good fortune that the Delta variant stepped aside (the one that killed my cousin last fall). You now have natural immunity for a while and I pray for your full and complete recovery.
I think the data and possibly your experience (anecdotally) still support my understanding of the Mrna vs wild virus debate but it's science so it's nuanced, right?
x
p.s. - Thank you for NOT claiming Ivermectin was a success because you lived. Omicron wasn't supposed to kill you anyway. Remember my adice - you and your family should step outside and get some natural sunlight at high noon when SOME UVB rays might still be sneaking through the atmosphere where you live in November. 10-15 minutes each sunny day can make a huge difference for your immune system. Natural vitamin D up-regulates the immune system and your heart whereas synthetic vitamin d pills down-regulate your immune system and do nothing for you heart. If you live in the north - try a tanning salon this winter or join Planet Fitness where they include tanning. Once or twice a week.
J said (in part) @ 10:27 AM:
"While I was sick, I had a flashback to RayB immediately being completely confident that COVID is a hoax. He shared video after video showing empty hospitals. He never had a doubt in his mind.
Then suddenly one day he pivoted to recommending the Zelenko protocol, without ever acknowledging that he had changed his mind and now considered COVID to be a real virus, not a hoax."
NOTE: What REALLY happened. (It's never ceases to amaze me how it is that people on this blog KNOW what is in my mind).
Very early on, I absolutely believed that there was a 'virus,' and have ALWAYS believed that it was real. What I DOUBTED was the severity of it while NOT discounting the dangerous effects of the virus with people that had serious comorbidity issues. (Every flu season, thousands with comorbidity issues such as age die after being infected with the flu as well)
Early on, this is what I learned:
I watched videos that were produced in China that showed people literally collapsing and dying as they walked down the street ... all because, we were told, they were infected with COVID. (Funny, that NEVER happened anywhere else).
Online, I saw a newscast from New York City. The reporter claimed that the hospital was "overwhelmed" with patients lined up waiting to gain entry. NO VIDEO FOOTAGE was provided that showed these 'long lines." The same newscast also showed video footage of refrigerator trucks that would be used to "help store the overflow of dead bodies." I remember thinking that it was VERY strange that the news report failed to show videos of the 'long lines' of patients that were outside in line for treatment.
A 'citizen journalist,' living near the hospital, also found this report to be rather suspicious. He immediately went to the VERY SAME hospital and filmed the area outside of the emergency room and found NO LINES of people. He went inside and filmed an EMPTY waiting area. He went to the desk and asked 'where are all the patients?' The response? WHAT PATIENTS?
Again, you can cram your advice x.
You were busy cramming covid mantra and "protocols" down everyone's throat ad nauseum and there was no common sense approach from you in the slightest. We were all supposed to be locked down shaking and shivering in a corner closet according to you, multiple masked and vaxxed till we become as zombied as you -- not getting sunlight and fresh air etc, nothing so practical as that came from you. You are a phony never ending windbag.
Common sense still told/tells people a lot about what to do--king know it all of the one size fits all way to run their lives and the world with your elitist stripes blazing.
You remind me of Charlie Brown's teacher voice when you post your blather.
WHAAAWHAAAWHAA...................................................................
You should go take care of your "two small businesses" and let God take care of the rest of us.
Go meddle (He who passes by and meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a dog by the ears. Prov 26:17) with your poor employees lives and lifestyles who are your captive audience (though I sure feel sorry for them).
Your "bleeding heart" care about us is trolling tripe.
(more)
I watched numerous videos on the subject and I read a lot of material. VERY EARLY on, I became aware of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, along with the Protocol that he recommended. LONG before I came down with COVID, I had purchased the necessary ingredients for Dr. Zelenko's treatment plan. (If I 'had in my mind' that it was a "hoax" all along, why would I have purchased the ingredients early on, J?)
As I previously posted here, I did become infected with COVID, and, because I had ALL of the necessary ingredients, I immediately began the Zelenko treatment. I also posted the results; there's no need to rehash all that other than to say I was VERY sick, but FULLY recovered from COVID within 7 days. Several weeks later, my wife also became infected and had pretty much the same experience as far as recovery.
One more item:
Dr. Tenpenny has NEVER proclaimed herself to be a "prophetess." I find it incredibly reckless that anyone would make that unfounded charge against her character. Dr. Tenpenny is a humble Christian lady that and has been very forthright in bravely proclaiming the truth about the mRNA spike protein.
Just a suggestion; prior to attacking a person's character, try to do some research, and then, post the evidence that you have.
11:16 am
Government Covid response to a novel virus of a pandemic nature with an unknown mortality and variant rate could never be perfect.
The US did a crap job...evidenced by over 1,000,000 covid deaths.
The vaccine did save an estimated 20,000,000 million world-wide and could have saved more had the government done a better job in all aspects of the pandemic response.
As J pointed out above -- it's nuanced...and certainly all a little more clear in hindsight but even now, how could the government have convinced more people to get vaccinated and have saved MORE lives than they did?
At times they acted and stated things overconfidently -- which invited questions and criticism when things didn't go perfectly and other times, they acted and proceeded with nuance and that was perceived as questing, uncertainty, weakness or insincerity.
Americans have this independence streak. An almost oppositional disorder to authority that immunologist and vaccine experts have to contend with. The Governement HAD US Supreme Court precedent which would have allowed them to mandate vaccines across the entire population subject to at home quarantine (meaning I think you could choose to remain unvaccinated in your own home). The US Government under both Trump and Biden choose NOT to do that but more people died due to that choice.
Public health policy will spend decades discussing and analyzing these approaches, effects and consequences.
This was a virus with less than a 1% fatality rate. The US attitude and trust in public health officials is worse now than before and moreso in the group that FAILED to get vaccinated and, thereby died in greater numbers. How is the US going to handle the next public health crisis if the next pandemic, 10 years from now has a 10% or higher fatality rate and a high transmission rate?
1. We won't shut down or wear masks in time to curtail or "stop the spread"
2. If we try to shut down or impose masking, too many will ignore such to actually curtail infection spread
3. Even more grifters and profitable misinformation will spread online and throughout the populace as such "marketing" has become an entire cottage industry of "wellness" now
4. Fact, evidence, nuance will matter less and less
5. There is no truth and as the dead bodies pile up, fear will lead us to magical new age thinking, paranoia, conspiracies, witch-hunting and superstition prevail.
*I THINK the US public health retrospective analysis will conclude that the US was too accommodating to the anti-vax messaging and conclude nuance doesn't work. Especially AFTER covid. The Australian and New Zealand approaches will be seen as the superior life-saving approachs and the next pandemic will have to by met with a tougher more confident and strict public health response. That's just my current thoughts. We'll hopefully know a lot more about how this Mrna thing worked out by then. Especially if and when mrna medicines start saving people's lives (like our parents, siblings, kids and grandchildren) suffering from all sorts of other illnesses. We many all come to appreciate their adaptability, effectiveness and trustworthiness.
God made such advancements possible. All human achievement is through Him, on His timetable and not of our own doing.
x
J said:
"Does Calvinism make people think it's wrong to TRY to get anything right, because after all, Christians can't do anything good or think anything true by their own effort? So if they automatically think or do something, well, it has to be right, if it feels automatic?"
NOTE: A very strange statement that indicates ZERO understanding regarding the Biblical doctrine of Sovereign Election, commonly (but erroneously) referred to as Calvinism. John Calvin did not originate this systematic theology, and never referred to it as 'Calvinism.'
The statement above by J is actually describing the actions and belief system of Charismatics, who typically believe that practically everything they do is as a result of 'being led by the spirit,' etc.
Rayb @ 12:02
So you STILL believe that "citizen journalist" documented anything you seem to still portend?
He didn't film the "emergency room" or emergency room entrance.
He went to the CLOSED main entrance on what I recall was the south facing side of the hospital where he walked in and filmed the closed, empty, main lobby, while trying to insinuate there were "no patients".
All the Covid action was taking place on the other, as I recall, the eastern side of the building, at the emergency room entrance that extended outside into triage tents. Also, the "news" had shown videos of lines of people AND ambulances outside that hospitals eastern emergency room entrance.
Can't believe you still seem to think that video wasn't a hoax or, at least, misinformation from a WRONG "citizen journalist".
x
Regarding the mRNA COVID vaccines, take this for whatever it is worth to you:
A non-crazy relative who was formerly employed by Merck worked specifically on lipid nanoparticles while he was employed there for several years.
He was worried when he learned that lipid nanoparticles would be used in the vaccines, because he knows what they do in the body. They work by first dispersing rapidly. Then after that, they accumulate in organs.
He has never been an anti-vaxxer. (Most scientists aren't.)
BTW...
I seem to recall that I had completely debunked that "citizen journalist" video here on this forum over a year ago.
You surely can't claim you weren't informed it was bunk.
I'm sure you, Rayb, won't recant or retract portraying that video as somehow accurate or a demonstration things were being exaggerated in New York, right? Admitting you were wrong about anything would be a sign of weakness.
x
12:22 PM
For somebody who made that very last statement in your post, it is all of your excessive postings to demean all other information (and people who disagreed) plus your explicit trust in government that say you really think otherwise.
You got a whole lot wrong.
And apologize for all your posts prior that were very heavy handed if you really think that.
12:34...
Kind of like Mercury in fish?
Might not kill the fish (or those that consume it) at very low levels but as levels increase and the fish doesn't eliminate such it can become toxic to the fish (and those that consume the fish)
Not that anyone is consuming humans.
But we encounter and have always encountered "nanoparticles" as humans. Open fires and pollution emit "nanoparticulate" all the time. Our bodies are designed to handle such; but to what extent does it become toxic? It is my understanding inhalation is actually the most frequent route of access for particulates. Air pollution thereby would be a greater concern than vaccines but if it all "accumulates" then it's all concerning.
Here's an interesting piece (I know nothing of the source)
Nanotechnologies
https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/opinions_layman/en/nanotechnologies/l-3/6-health-effects-nanoparticles.htm
x
12:40 pm
I don't understand your statement or what you are referring to.
Debating and contradicting LIES is not demeaning, it is seeking truth.
Science, though God-given, is always nuanced. Truth is revealed by the evidence available at that time. Bastadizing, deliberately misinterpreting and lying about what that evidence says or claims at that time is a lie.
Making up science is also a lie which is where the credibility of the authors is checked along with the data. That said through God even a bent stick can strike a straight blow. For example, the anti-vax community spreading fear and misinformation resulted in a large control group of unvaccinated persons who, unfortunately for them, demonstrated the deadliness of forgoing covid vaccination. In other words, the anti-science group provided the data/evidence to refute their own claims.
I sincerely apologize to you if I came across too heavy-handed and somehow at sometime hurt your feelings. It's hard to express empathy and compassion in the written word while being critical of deception.
x
p.s. - I trust real experts over grifters and pseudo-experts (let alone complete laymen suffering a Dunning Kruger effect). Our government hires real experts to help guide public health decisions to do the best they can. Such public health decisions are nuanced and involve the interaction of many experts from many areas of government, the public and, in general, the theory of knowledge (including God, philosophy, etc). There's no way to manage a novel virus perfectly.
You have to have hope and trust in someone, right? Who do you trust to handle such?
As per usual, X is lying.
The 'citizen journalist' DID post a lengthy video of the very same NY City hospital that the mainstream media had claimed was swamped with COVID patients. He POSTED it on the very same day. The video went viral and was seen by countless people ALL OVER THE WORLD. I not only saw the video several times myself, I sent it to a number of people that also saw it. I also read numerous posts that referred to it.
Unfortunately, after it went viral, the censors of Youtube stepped in and removed it.
x,
When I first spoke about Ivermectin and my sister's experience about it you went into snark and smear mode.
You have called me lots of names over time because I chose other than you in response to covid but also other things. And I oblige and shoot some buckshot right back at you.
I am very interested in searching out the truth myself. I look at lots of sources and look for things that are backed up by something credible, verifiable, applicable in the right time frames, yes, some things are nuanced but hard cold facts can stand up when kept in the right context and right timeline. Those are what I look for.
Tell you what.
How about a clean slate?
We can disagree to disagree, but not disagreeably, I will pray that I take a different approach with you also. And we have agreed at least partly, upon occasion. At times we have though you didn't acknowledge it but instead taunted and baited me with rhetoric, fishing expeditions, and hyperbole supposing things for your own arguments sake that I did not say, even imply. I think you just did that with RayB and the 2 Chr verse. A signature move of yours. Not helpful.
So a lot of water has gone under that bridge..
But I will accept your apology and ask that you accept mine.
RayB at 1:42 pm
What, specifically, am I lying about?
I never denied the disinformation video was real, my assertion is that just that it did not portray what many, like you, naively (or deliberately?) believed and stupidly shared as a way of questioning the real covid narrative at that time. Spreading such conspiracy by those, like you, who probably knew it was dishonest was a way to infect our culture and the less discerning therein that maybe there is something to this “big brother is putting on a show” and “what else are they lying about” (using lies to imply there’s a real conspiracy afoot).
The truth was then and it remains the truth that that video was taken at the non-operational main entrance to that hospital as well as the waiting room and visitors waiting room inside the door of that entrance. The empty road he filmed was adjacent to the south side of the hospital. It was empty because no one was using that entrance. Ambulances and patient cues that were filmed and appeared on television the nights prior took place along the eastern side of the building at the emergency entrance where triage tents were erected for processing potentially covid positive persons. As time went on, the cues got shorter and/or patients were more effectively processed or sent to other hospitals. Peaks come and go.
Elsewhere in the country there were empty hospitals which were largely shut down awaiting covid patients that didn’t quite immediately materialize in all areas at the same time.
In England people filmed empty visitor parking lots of hospitals no longer allowing visitors.
If you have actual other proof anything going on in New York April-June 2020 was “staged” or faked and the claims/implications in those videos were true (the hospital was empty or the videos of ambulances and cues were actually faked) please provide such evidence.
X
J,
I was in a much more foul mode last summer and fall when my dad and cousin past away. My cousin, in particular, as a victim of Maga disinformation.
My writing is abrasive. You are much more gifted at debating and providing counterpoints kindly. None of us are perfect
Our biggest snarkfest, as I recall, was based on a misunderstanding where I acknowledged what I wrote sounded really bad but it wasn’t what I meant or such part wasn’t directed at you. Whatever. I was already on a clean slate with you. I’m not big on agreeing to disagree but we probably don’t disagree on all that much anymore.
I’ve always taken your views and opinions as honest dialogue in stark contrast to those of others here who I see as purposefully and knowingly deceitful, without apology.
I again apologize for any thing I said that was offensive or offended you and likewise accept your unneeded apology. We’re all just doing our best (mostly all)
X
P.S.- Do you not see the political over utilization of 2 Chron 7:14? I mentioned it to my wife after Ray shared it and she’d already gone down that rabbit hole wondering why a few of her southern Maga crazed friends seemed to share that verse a lot on Facebook. It IS a big white nationalist revolution & violence justifying verse, especially pairing as he did with “the remnant”. Look up Pete Peters and the (white) Identity Movement. They want to “heal the nation” by cleansing it, repentance, not so much. It’s cool if you’d rather not. Bygones.
So what if some foolish and desperate people, who rightly see how disastrous the present Democrat administration is, proclaim that Donald Trump is the Christ? It might start to matter if he said it of himself. Or even if he failed to deny it if it ever became more than a fringe claim. But those things have not happened.
I'm 3:18 PM.
Been thinking about it, and I am pretty much ready to be done here.
I have had great conversations with J. I have agreed and disagreed with her but she is my sister in Jesus, no doubt about it. And we shall see what time brings my dear, J. (Meanwhile question everything is the rule of thumb for me and think it should be for you too). The Word of God can and will provide all the light we need in these times of upheaval and I trust you will stay in the Word as your priority for how to know left from right, up from down. Hebrews 12 speaks about everything of this world being shaken--that is the world right now, but the Lord has an unshakeable kingdom for us to go home to (for those who repent and believe God in Christ). So it's all good stuff with her and I.
RayB is a good guy keeping things accountable on the news front (and readily shares the Lord in some thought provoking ways), though he is somewhat a pitbull about it at times, once in a great while I have really disagreed, but so what? I think it is most definitely done with a general good intent and with mainly well said straightforwardness. paul-the real one-is a true brother in Christ and it shows. He is a wise man. I have always gotten a good takeaway from his posts whether current affairs or Bible content as they usually have both. Probably my favorite poster in all this time is you, paul.
Craig is ace at many things to keep the main thing the main thing--much needed and very cordial and even, well read, and posts very well thought out posts--timely too.
MCE has exasperated the blog at times but she too has brought some good points forward.
Grant NZ is a blessing whenever he shows up. Good on ya, sir.
I am sure there are others whose input has encouraged me at times though anon and I can't single that out but thank you to those who are doing their best to find the truth, stick with it, and share it here.
The total skanks and skunks that post vileness (and toward people personally especially)--well God help you find your way out of the dark and into the Lord's light. Somewhat colorful language is one thing used here at times, but it's your graphic vileness that is completely unacceptable.
x.....you're only human as I am, give us all the benefit of the doubt and lighten up, like a lot. If your intentions are as good as you say you will find better ways to disagree without resorting to constant blame in too targeted fashion and mostly without good context. Not helpful. You paint dark stuff very sloppily with a brush as wide as a Mississippi flood plain. There is no possible way that others here are all wrong and you alone all right. And on every issue no less, because that is the gist of how you post, even though you casually toss in a "disclaimer" here and there. Let GOD sort things because you pretty much stink at it. You have been "too much"...but I wish you well like I do the others.
A big thank you to Constance whose work of years has been good, a whole lot of it very good. I just hope she will get back to throwing the wider net again out there in New Age/NWO current happenings. She's good at it.
And Rich Peterson is a very well read man with his finger on the pulse, with a very busy life rather than to babysit a blog. Good for the blog whenever we have gotten to hear from him.
Keep on keepin' on folks. We are just people--politics is politics-----------but God is GOD.
RayB at 12:02 PM
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/03/lgbtq-advocates-hold-protest-as-samaritan-s-purse-winds-down-coronavirus-outreach
Remember this?
NYC has millions of people.
They treated 300 (in conjunction with Mount Sinai Hosp)
They say no good deed goes unpunished. In New York it seems you can be punished twice.
Samaritan’s Purse, who went to NYC to help with the overflow of COVID patients, were protested and slandered by Councilman Corey Johnson and activists from the LGBTQ community forcing Mt Sinai to ask them to leave.
Killer Cuomo wanted Samaritan's Purse gone
https://thenationalpulse.com/2020/05/07/cuomo-wants-samaritans-purse-to-pay-tax/
Politics.
If it ain't broke, government will step in to fix it until it is.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F11%2F10%2Frepublicans-have-won-6-million-more-votes-than-democrats-in-house-races-but-relatively-few-seats%2F
Republicans Have Won 6 Million More Votes than Democrats in House Races, But Gained Relatively Few Seats
Smelling rats.
RayB
"By being under 'grace,' do you mean that believers are exempt from obeying God's Word?"
Of course not. Sodom and Gomorrah and the enemies of God that you speak of are old covenant. The new covenant in Christ Jesus frees from the law of sin and death. Believers are under grace without condemnation. God reserves punishment of the unrighteous until the day of judgment. In the meantime, we are to love our enemies, and God will take care of the rest in his time.
The patriarch of my family line in America and many other family members were involved in the Antinomianism controversy. The Puritans taught salvation by works. My family members believed in new covenant salvation by grace. They were falsely accused of believing they could live in sin under grace, among other things. The Puritans confiscated their guns and banned them from Plymouth Colony. Punishment for returning was to be hanged. They moved on to Rhode Island, founded the cities of Portsmouth and Newport, and established the first Baptist church in America. I hadn't thought about it before, but it's interesting that Antinomianism had a part in the establishing of freedom of religion in the colony and eventually the US constitution.
Linda
J
7:56 AM
"I noticed a while back in this comments thread, you said you proved to yourself through research that the giants descended from Ham. What were your sources?"
I didn't use anything other than my King James Bible software. I was already into genealogy of the Bible, so it was just a natural step for me. I have very disorganized handwritten notes on scraps of paper. My computer notes were wiped out by a Windows update, so I'm saying this from memory. The sons of Noah were Shem, Ham and Japheth. Canaan was a son of Ham. I made a list of all of the tribes that lived in Canaan and a list of all that were specifically named as giants. I took the name, where they lived and traced backwards. I went on to do all of the enemies of Israel. It really wasn't hard using the bible software.
Have fun!
Linda
Linda,
I don't have time to get into this in depth, but I did want make a couple of quick points.
Question: When God judges the world, and ultimately destroys it with fire, under which covenant will that be accomplished?
The fact is, the unbelieving world will be judged according to the law. For unbelievers, the law, established by the Old Covenant, never disappeared. As far as it concerns THEM, the 'old covenant' (your term, not mine) is still in existence.
In accordance to the law, they will be judged, and, punished. Grace only applies to those that have been born of the spirit, by God's grace, and live by the spirit.
Again, the Paul's epistle to the Galatians covers this extensively.
One more quick point; the so-called 'Puritans,' a derogatory term that was applied by their enemies, and, a term which they hated, were not "Antinomians." They held firmly to the Reformer's (and Paul's) doctrine of Election, and were known for their faithful adherence to God's word, the very antithesis of Antinomianism.
I've studied that historical era, and, have read quite a bit of their writings. Your description of them being Antinomians is the very first that I have ever encountered. In fact, I've never even seen a hint of anyone laying that charge upon them.
The great evangelist George Whitfield is often described as a "Puritan." (So is Charles Spurgeon). I've read Arnold Dallimore's classic biography "George Whitfield," as well as a number of Whitfield's sermons (and Edward's). Whitfield was the instrument that God used, along with Jonathan Edwards, in the Great Awakening revival that swept the colonies prior to the American Revolution. Nothing even remotely close resembles, in any way, that these two 'puritan' leaders, who influenced tens of thousands, were antinomians.
The so-called 'puritans' had numerous enemies, which inspired, to this day, many unfounded attacks upon them. Were they perfect? By no means. Were there some abuses that took place by PROFESSING 'bible believing Christians?' Of course. Just as it is true today, there are many evil things that happen under the name 'Christianity.' There is so much of that, that I (and my wife) no longer describe ourselves as "Born Again Christians." The reason? Just about everyone has a story to tell about their experiences with Born Againers ... myself included! This is a sad statement, but totally true. When I was in business and I came across people that claimed to be 'born again,' I almost ALWAYS had a bad experience! It was as if they felt their 'sins were covered' so they could pull all kinds of nefarious tricks to their advantage. I could practically write a book.
Thank you RayB.
Yes, being tenacious for the truth is a good thing.
I feel that you have always made good effort to uphold the Word of God above all else, and above politics, though accused otherwise. I think that is just smear.
I think of you as a brother in the Lord.
There are definitely Christians here who have done the same as you yet they've been accused of cult worship of Trump or Q, on and on. I think people can agree with portions and parts of things without being guilty of being all wrong. I call foul on that notion.
The Bible says, now we see through a glass darkly, that is so true, but one day face to Face. We'll all understand perfectly then.
So people are people, but God is GOD -- all will come out in the wash.
May God bless you and yours.
6:13,
I had no idea that anyone ever even read my comments, much less took something good from them.
I think I know who you must be, at least by first name, but I'm really not sure.
Whoever you are, thank you. Thank you too much. It's a strange but Christian thing to know that you love someone whom you've never met, in the Agape way. I'm also nearly in tears of Joy to hear that at least one person knew the difference between myself and the troll who stole my name/handle, which was when I quit using it and went anonymous.
God bless you and keep you in a mighty way, whether you stick around here or not.
Praise God from whom all blessings flow!
Praise him all creatures here below
Praise him all of ye heavenly host
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost
See you soon
Hey Paul,
I absolutely know the difference between our troll who may or may not be Robert Bowen and/or an LA Cab driver and your posts, just as it's obvious when he's not Rayb or Craig? or me, I presume.
He's just weird.
BTW...in the church I grew up in we sang the third line of the Doxology...
"Praise Him above, ye heavenly host;"
I think that's the more orthodox way but it's different at many churches.
There's even super progressive Presbyterian churches (USA) that had, unbelievably, adopted a gender neutral version of the song...
It goes:
Praise God from whom all blessings flow;
Praise God, all creatures here below;
Praise God above ye heavenly host;
Praise Triune God, whom we adore
x
X,
The Rise of the ‘Traditionalist International’: How the American Right Learned to Love Moscow in the Era of Trump
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/report/the-rise-of-the-traditionalist-international-how-the-american-right-learned-to-love-moscow-in-the-era-of-trump/
Putin’s American Fans Cheer His Persecution Of Gays, Ignore His Persecution Of Christians
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/putins-american-fans-cheer-his-persecution-of-gays-ignore-his-persecution-of-christians/
6:13 PM,
You will be missed. I appreciate your heart for Christ and your heart for truth.
You and I both never had perfect truth and never will, but I know we both share a love for the truth.
I know that even when we have disagreed, your heart has been in the right place.
Your goodbye post is a class act, with gracious words for everybody.
I consider you my sister in Christ, too. Thank you for calling me that.
X 3:57 PM,
I know you mistook me for another commenter, but since you addressed your comments to me, I wanted to respond.
You do seem to have a combination of being abrasive - but also of having thick skin. At least you're not one of those individuals who has thin skin for his own feelings but thick skin for everybody else's feelings. I'll say that for ya.
You aren't always abrasive. And I am sometimes abrasive. I have been snarky to you. I've forgiven and forgotten about any of your moments of snarkiness to me.
I'm still not sure how much we agree and disagree. I agree with Rich's excellent analysis a few months ago, in which he wrote that if the middle is eliminated, the New Age Left and the New Age Right will JOIN TOGETHER. At that point, the dialectic will culminate in the One World Religion and the One World Government.
I don't always say it, but I don't see one good side and one bad side. I see two bad sides. God's side is good. Nobody is always on God's side.
The Left does contain more atheists and New Agers and more New Age nominal Christians. But it retains a residue of a Christian past - a more liberal Christian past - a more CLASSICAL LIBERAL Christian past. And in my opinion - and in this I differ from most people I speak to who are Christian or conservative - that CLASSICAL liberal Christian past influence is not BAD.
I see so many more shades of gray than I can easily express most of the time. It would take so much work, and who would read it? I wouldn't have the time to write it.
I'm sure all of us have thoughts we don't fully express in this comments section. But I just wanted to make my perspective clear.
My view would be very CYNICAL if I didn't believe in God. I would see manipulation for EVERYBODY, like marketing and advertising campaigns with target audiences - and nothing else. Since I believe in God I have a hope I would not otherwise have.
I am a relativist about people but an absolutist about God. I think this fact about me gets me frequently misunderstood. Maybe you can understand it. Are you this way as well?
6:13 PM,
I wanted to comment on this:
"A big thank you to Constance whose work of years has been good, a whole lot of it very good. I just hope she will get back to throwing the wider net again out there in New Age/NWO current happenings. She's good at it."
I think if she were to do this, it would go a long way toward uniting the blog comment section.
I think it's safe to say after the midterm election results that Donald Trump will not have a network of Secretaries of State in place who will do his bidding in 2024. I think Constance saw the potential for it to shape up in a very bad way. (I know your opinion differs.)
Donald Trump will most likely be indicted for espionage some time in 2023. The DOJ is behaving in a traditional manner by refraining from making moves that would alter an election. (I know you will have your own opinions about this, too. We will just have to see what comes out in the news in 2023).
Regardless, I think it's safe to say that Donald Trump - if some people thought he ever was a potential antichrist - can now be regarded as a failed antichrist. (I'm taking the perspective of people who may worry he really was the antichrist. He is an American business man just like in Hal Lindsey's novels - I think? He could be regarded as having fooled or almost fooled the elect. No, I have never thought he could fulfill the prophecies of Revelation, myself.)
Maybe you should stick around and see what Constance and Rich write about in 2023?
Linda 8:39 PM,
Thank you. It's all right there in the King James bible, yet it is controversial. Hmmm. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Is the name of the King James bible software just "King James Bible" software?
Do you mean you just used its search function to make it easier to find all occurrences of names?
I may have been imagining something overly complicated :)
"Praise him all creatures here below"
paul,
You have no idea how I have felt your heart come through your posts.
And stood your ground on His holy ground giving God His due.
So I thank you.
I could always "spot" you in the heart connect..
I love that you posted from the doxology!
The particular line I highlight above is one that brings back memories to me.
When I was little (probably 5) and we went to church with my grandparents I loved to hear the congregation sing the hymns (so wonderfully loud to my small ears) and this song especially. The people would stand to sing and the sound in that old building as they stood sounded akin to thunder. It made me think of the Lord as very mighty--because He really is. And until I was grown I wrongly sang that line this way: Praise Him from all creatures here me low (lol) I was embarrassed when pointed out to me after all those years...but!
Truthfully, that is okay.
Because "me low" is really the right way to gain understanding after all.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart— These, O God, You will not despise. Ps 51:17
24“The Lord bless you and keep you;
25The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
26The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.”
I made a misstatement. The Left Behind novels were not written by Hal Lindsey. They were written by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins.
I was not correct that the antichrist character in this series was an American businessman.
I got that from somewhere. I can't recall where now.
Anon @ 10:50 PM
Thank you for your gracious comments. I always sense your humility, along with the love that you have for the Lord in your comments, which always contain the spiritual elements of grace:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." - Galatians 5:22,23
If only more professing Christians would be like you ...
Paul @ 12:02 AM
I don't think anyone confused the real Paul with the obnoxious troll. How could they? The two were polar opposites.
Even though we may not agree on all points of doctrine, I always read your posts
with consideration, knowing that you are a sincere man of faith in Christ, which were reflected in what you had to say.
As you may recall, we were both viciously attacked by the same hate-filled fanatic that attempted to dox you, which I found to be incredibly repugnant. Almost as bad as that, was the fact that the owner of this blog did virtually nothing to stop it.
Later, I think the same person attempted the same on me, but it was a total failure.
Anyways, as much as I don't like the use of 'Anonymous' screen names, I'm glad to see that you are still posting.
Push for DeSantis is Really an Attack on MAGA
https://wethepeopleconvention.org/articles/Push-For-DeSantis-is-Attack-on-MAGA
"They'll tend to get lumped in with other the other more "qanons" -- lol. But ok."
Me. 3:18 PM
My last post is to you.
When you choose to knee jerk react and reply by your lump idea instead of individual timestamps, which represent individual people--and fail to take them at face value--reading in your own ideas of what is said rather than what is actually said, then summarily dump on people--then it is easy to see why you are considered brutish and ungracious.
Lump and dump. Uncivil.
God help you lose the pride and stop the grandiose business of thinking yourself superior.
It's odious.
And I forgive you even though you are still carrying on with the flippant tone.
Have a nice life.
This should get Constance excited ... what can I do to help make this happen?
MSNBC Panelist Floats ‘Exciting’ Liz Cheney, Stacey Abrams Joint Run in 2024
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/11/msnbc-panelist-floats-exciting-liz-cheney-stacey-abrams-joint-run-in-2024/
From the article:
2024 joint ticket consisting of Republican Liz Cheney and Democrat Stacey Abrams — who both failed to win seats in the recent midterm elections — is an “exciting” idea, according to an MSNBC panelist who suggested there is a strong “appetite” for such a movement.
PS: It's probably not a very good idea to use the phrase "strong appetite" when promoting Stacey "Buffet" Abrams.
2:43
I thought YOU were gonna lighten up. I was joking.
I'd address you more directly and respectfully (non-flippantly) if I had any idea of you who are or who you might be in the future. I don't even know right now if I'm responding to you (that apologized) or some other you (anon).
Confidence in one's opinions and views does not mean I'm a snobbish brute who thinks himself superior to others. Perhaps you gather such because I'm think-skinned and feel that what you think of me is none of my business. "Grandiose" I am anything but. In real life, you'd like me. Most everyone does. Maybe I'm too direct in writing to really convey my light-hearted joking around nature. Perhaps it isn't seen as fun here because I mock too often in my political debates.
I'll forgive you too even though you are also carrying on.
I also apologize if you feel I should know who you are. I've never really tried to ascertain individual anons that I've been communicating with for several years now. Thus, each response is individual...YET...kind of takes into context ALL the anons that haven't been all that gracious towards me here. Maybe sign your post like me....pick any letter (other than Q <---- ROFL)
x
While One is the loneliest number, zero (my hero) is a special number.
Twitter loses ad revenue from giants
DarkHorse Podcast Clips
Nov 10, 2022
Pfizer spites Elon Musk
In this clip is the following:
Bret: “…Pfizer cannot survive in a world [such as an unfiltered Twitter] in which we are able to fully explore what has taken place. Their business model depends on speech being intensely limited…” Bret then displays a tweet by Dr. Eli David, which shows an exchange by Pfizer CEO Bourla and a reporter, with a final comment by Dr. David:
Bourla: “The efficacy of our vaccine in children is 80%”
Reporter: “Are you talking about efficacy to prevent severe disease or to prevent infection?”
Bourla: “To prevent infection”
(Dr. David): Need more evidence of fraud?
Way to go X.
Another quality poster leaves the blog.
How many more are you going to run out of here with your lying, bullying, obnoxious antics?
I couldn't have expressed this any better myself. It sums up X concisely, and, precisely:
"When you choose to knee jerk react and reply by your lump idea instead of individual timestamps, which represent individual people--and fail to take them at face value--reading in your own ideas of what is said rather than what is actually said, then summarily dump on people--then it is easy to see why you are considered brutish and ungracious.
Lump and dump. Uncivil."
PS: While more could be said, this certainly describes X in a nutshell.
Rayb,
Lots of people threaten leave and never do (like you several times now)
Their choice. Go or don't go.
Despite Maga efforts, it's still a free country.
x
It’s almost like they don’t really believe in Climate Change™
400 private jets flew in for climate conference: 'Gut-wrenching hypocrisy'
Fox News
'Outnumbered' panelists criticize the hypocrisy of world leaders who flew private jets to the COP27 climate summit in Egypt.
One astute comment accompanying the video: One thing we learned with the pandemic is that conferences / meetings etc can be done by zoom in the comfort of your own home.
Obviously this could have been an option. Their decision not to, should speak volumes. This has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with control over the little people.
p.s. But, not to worry, I'm sure they will 'offset' the carbon emissions from their private jets both to and from the conference--and each and every other time they use them.
Speaking of 'p.s.', here's Ukrainian composer Valentin Silvestrov's beautiful "Post Scriptum":
Valentyn Silvestrov - Post scriptum - Sonata for violin and piano / I G.Kremer V.Sacharov
Taras Yachshenko
Valentin Silvestrov - Ukraine- Валентин Сільвестров *1937 Kyiv Ukraine - Post scriptum - Sonata for violin and piano Gidon Kremer Vadim Sacharov
Part I. Largo- Allegro - Allegretto
Craig,
COP27 is, largely, an oil industry trade show...
In Egypt, no less.
They probably even helped set up the pictures, test-marketed and focused group'ed that anti-climate change meassage you repeated at 7:25pm.
COP27: Sharp rise in fossil fuel industry delegates at climate summit
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63571610
Excerpt: "COP27 looks like a fossil fuel industry trade show," said Rachel Rose Jackson, from Corporate Accountability, one of a group of campaigners who released the data along with the Corporate Europe Observatory.
"We're on a carousel of madness here rather than climate action. The fossil fuel industry, their agenda, it's deadly. Their motivation is profit and greed. They're not serious about climate action. They never have been and they never will."
x
p.s. - 400 private planes is not really all that many considering how many appear to be attending. Maybe they carpooled?
X,
Well then I'm sure Biden and others serious about this issue will set these fossil fuel industry delegates straight!
Craig...
You may or may not be interested on an update on Silvestrov...
Valentin Silvestrov: Ukrainian composer takes a stand against totalitarianism and violence
https://youtu.be/HYoauPJil70
x
Linda wrote:
"The patriarch of my family line in America and many other family members were involved in the Antinomianism controversy. The Puritans taught salvation by works. My family members believed in new covenant salvation by grace. They were falsely accused of believing they could live in sin under grace, among other things. The Puritans confiscated their guns and banned them from Plymouth Colony. Punishment for returning was to be hanged. They moved on to Rhode Island, founded the cities of Portsmouth and Newport, and established the first Baptist church in America. I hadn't thought about it before, but it's interesting that Antinomianism had a part in the establishing of freedom of religion in the colony and eventually the US constitution."
Linda, RayB read this and seems to have gotten out of it that you were accusing Puritans of being Antinomians. What I got out of reading this was that the Puritans who your Baptist ancestors knew, thought your Baptist ancestors were Antinomians.
It's only the very last sentence of the paragraph that confuses me.
My way of viewing it would be that religious misunderstanding and intolerance led to people leaving to seek freedom of religion both to the American colonies and within the American colonies. In your example, Antinomianism did not play a part, but false accusations of Antinomianism did play a part, in establishing freedom of religion in the colonies - if I understand you correctly.
X @ 8:32 PM,
I was aware of Silvestrov’s leaving Kiev and his overall stance on the goings-on. IIRC, months ago I even posted a link to this article: Work of the Week – Valentin Silvestrov: Prayer for the Ukraine. The piece referenced here (and part of the video you referenced) was composed in 2014 “in response to the Ukrainian Euromaidan protests taking place to protest Russian troops occupying the Crimean peninsula.”
I also made note of Silvestrov’s socio-political leanings as part of a blog post I wrote before this year’s invasion: Lament (see poem by Taras Shevchenko).
I’ve been drawn to Eastern European composers for a while now, as this post from over two years ago illustrates.
RayB,
These five comments you've made at various times over the months, including some of them in this comment thread, are jarring to me with their dissonance:
1) You say you've very, very frequently had worse experiences with born-again Christians than with non-Christians. You made it sound like it has been sadly typical in your experience and it could possibly be on your list of reasons why you do not attend church (which is your choice and your business - house churches are fine by me).
2) You say that Christians are not to hate our enemies, but we are to hate God's enemies, quoting one of the Psalms as support for this position. In the context of the discussion, you strongly imply that God's enemies are the Democrats and their voters, because of hating what God loves and loving what God hates.
3) In the context you strongly implied that Republicans and their voters are the friends and not the enemies of God, because of loving what God loves and hating what God hates.
4) You have acknowledged that you think Trump is likely not even a Christian and that millions of Republican voters are likely not Christians since they are NAR believers or belong to other apostate sects.
5) You believe very strongly that nobody is good by their own effort but only by God's election of them to receive the Holy Spirit, which they play no role in choosing.
I'm curious how you reconcile these five beliefs.
X,
It was disappointing to me the way you responded to the anon commenter who apologized to you. I was starting to believe you might really be a Christian rather than a troll. I still think you may be. Lots of other Christians here are not very full of grace all the time, either. We are all works in progress.
But her comment to you was very sincere. She suddenly extended an olive branch to you. You seemed to have smacked it to the ground and laughed it off.
Can't you intuitively pick up on somebody spirit and intention in his or her comment, at least sometimes? I know social media communication is lacking the advantage of body language, but to me, her Christian spirit came through loud and clear in that comment.
This was an interesting - but very little reported upon - mid term election result. Somebody I once knew from Long Island jokingly said it should be considered another country because it's so different from the rest of the United States! The silent majority of Long Island has spoken through their votes in a different way than the silent majority of many other areas.
I hope the message that Democrats and Republicans both get from this mid term election is that they will not be able to eliminate the middle as much as they would have liked.
Republicans Sweep All Four Long Island House Seats
https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2022/11/09/republicans-sweep-all-four-long-island-house-seats/
Constance,
If you are reading this, I am curious about your opinion of the complete Democrat sweep of the Michigan state house.
I assume you are happy that the QAnon promoting Michigan Secretary of State candidate, Karamo, was defeated. You wrote about her at least once.
I wonder if now, you might feel freed up to focus on the role that the WEF is playing in Michigan's economy.
I'm sure you've seen articles like this:
WEF comes to Michigan, but who will go to Davos?
https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/commentary/wef-comes-to-michigan-but-who-will-go-to-davos
I'm not trolling you as some of your commenters do from time to time. I'm genuinely interested in your opinion and analysis about this. I would love for you to return your focus to such entities as the WEF.
X 2:04 PM,
I don't think the LGBTQ community or the liberals would be cast aside from a One World Religion. Even atheists could be convinced to join if "aliens" were somehow involved.
MAGA can accept homosexual men if they own the libs. MAGA accepted Milo Yiannopoulos. Breitbart tried for a while to promote Caitlyn Jenner. That didn't take. But give it one or two more generations.
When I've read about New Ager gatherings in the past, they've been chock full of open displays of every type of sexuality, as full as a Gay Pride Parade. It's been a while since I've read about one of these gatherings, so I don't have a link handy.
Had Trump succeeded with his coup, it would have affected America but not brought on a one world government or a one world religion. If Trump had succeeded with his coup, Putin won the war in Ukraine, and Bolsonaro got re-elected; Europe would still have remained formidable. The Catholic Church would still have been larger than QAnon. Opus Dei is a sect within the Catholic church but does not control it.
America, for better or worse, is a role model to many other nations of the world. It could be that the world would have become more influenced by the far right and its QAnon version of the New Age. This was a hypothetical and is now a moot point, too.
I would bet money I'm right about Trump being indicted in 2023. I've been following the news, and the DOJ has been using the same method that is used to take down a mob boss. The underlings are first. Some of them are flipped against the layer above them. It proceeds slowly and methodically. Layer after layer. Naive people complain on social media that Garland is not aggressive enough. Being "aggressive" is not how anything works. It must be done very, very methodically and it works best WITHOUT too much news leaking out.
News only occasionally leaks out. The MSM and the conservative media both do a poor job reporting on the process. But the bottom line is that the layer of individuals just below Trump are under pressure to flip on Trump. Many of them need to decide if they'd rather go to jail or be disloyal to Trump. This is a signal that the DOJ is very close to indicting Trump himself.
EVERYTHING Changes After Their Plan Comes Into Effect: Jordan Peterson
youtube.com/watch?v=RDojiBvzWIY
X,
I've been thinking more about this as a hypothetical. In order for a far right New Age and a far left New Age to join together, the far right would need to be convinced to scapegoat Christians. The far left already does.
Seemingly the far right is far off from scapegoating Christians in America.
Yet I don't think this is true.
Some anon trolls have displayed so much intense vitriol towards Rich and Constance, and even conservative Christian commenters have possibly enabled this at times, even if they have not directly displayed this.
So this makes me think any Christian called a Liberal could be scapegoated by the far right.
I could almost say that I don't see how, in the America I know, the far left could join the far right any time soon.
Yet, we've had a taste of it, when we watched many Bernie Sanders supporters join MAGA. We've watched many apolitical New Age social media influencers become QAnon influencers. They may be apolitical, but I doubt very much that they mind LGBTQ or climate change initiatives or many other far left causes. These people are dubbed "Conspirituality" people by some. (You incorrectly apply that term to Christian conservative commenters here.)
I see the seeds of this type of joining of a dialectic of far right and far left. I don't see it becoming mature enough in our generation. But I could possibly be surprised.
I think it would take something very drastically life changing, as life changing as 9/11, and maybe even more so - like a staging of alien contact.
Sometimes I wonder if things like the Animal Planet series about mermaids and mermen was a trial balloon to see what people might be gullible enough to believe and what needs to be fixed to reach more target audiences the next time. Or maybe the explanation is mundane and it was only ever about ratings.
J said:
"some anon trolls have displayed so much intense vitriol towards Rich and Constance, and even conservative Christian commenters have possibly enabled this at times, even if they have not directly displayed this. So this makes me think any Christian called a Liberal could be scapegoated by the far right."
J, by your use of the term "scapegoated", it sounds to me, that you are inferring a 'turning in to authorities' type thing, as during the Tribulation period. By the way J, you addressed these questions to X, a troll extraordinaire, AND NOT TO MENTION, a troll who advocated governmental punishment for vaccine non-compliance! AND, you addressed this to X, who, has a Doctorate degree in, not only vitriol, but lying, and slander! And of course your defence of poor Constance who has thrown out her own unjustified vitriol, toward "conservative Christians" here.
As far as comparing a right, and left in the New Age Movement, to a right, and left amongst followers of Christ, it isn't a valid comparison. On one hand you have a broad based pantheistic religion, and on the other, a fundamental faith based on the Bible only. They are too different to use comparatively as you propose. You are also assuming it is possible to be a leftist, i'm assuming a democrat, and a true bible believing christian? If not,as RayB pointed out so well, of course the leftists will turn in Christians.
J,
The name of the bible software is King James Pure Bible Search. It is King James Authorized 1611 only. I just did a word search. Anything that isn't in the KJV, such as 'Nephilim' won't show up. I've used this program for quite a few years and never had a problem. It can be downloaded for free.
https://www.purebiblesearch.com/
Linda
12:55 PM,
I'm assuming it's possible to be CALLED a Leftist and to be a true bible believing Christian.
Linda 1:00 PM,
Thanks much.
Also J, we know that this last kingdom will not be solid, but rather part Iron, and Part Clay.
In order for the dialectic to be effective, there must be polar opposites. This is always true, until the New Heaven, and New Earth.
Your fear of a Liberal 'christian' being "scapegoated" by the, as you say, 'far right', is quite absurd. Wouldn't the 'far right' just be turning them into their own kind? Rather the opposite will be the case, in the Liberal 'christian' turning in the Followers of Christ. The Goats, the stubborn religionist gnat swallowers, turning in the sheep. It is scriptural. Will you "debate" with God?
1:10 PM,
People like YOU demonstrate that it is NOT absurd. It has happened right here in this comments section.
"Poor Constance" whom you refer to mockingly sticks out her neck! Her phone number and address are available to everybody. You don't even use a pseudonym.
You just rant about your opinions.
Moses debated with God, but as for myself, I wouldn't dare. But I dare debate with YOU. You are not God!
You give me very little to debate besides your opinions. Go ahead and have your opinions. Go ahead and keep them. I don't care. When you are interested in having any kind of a reasonable conversation with me, let me know. I won't hold my breath.
Anon 11:12 AM,
The video you supplied is a selection from a larger one by Jordan Peterson, which puts it in better context:
Wicked Globalists Are Causing Starvation and Poverty Under the Guise of Environmentalism
Jordan B Peterson
Read the full article here - Eco-extremists are leading the world towards despair, poverty, and starvation
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson examines the current energy crisis, the globalist ideology that simultaneously fuels it while calling for the sacrificial demise of the poor, and what this truly means for Europe's future, if not the entire world.
Engaging with just the portion you posted, I’ve been on a keto diet for years now. Many don’t know what this consists of, so I’ll share it: 70-80% saturated fats, 15-25% protein, 5-10% carbs (the fiber in carbs cancels out, e.g. 11g carbs of which 4g is fiber = 7g net carbs). (see here: www.drberg.com/the-healthy-keto-diet-for-beginners) Fatty fish and red meats are great. Eat some leafy greens. I eat bacon and eggs at least 5 times a week. Yum!
I’ve never been overweight or overfat. Because I had some difficulty digesting carbs, a while back I began transitioning to a quasi-keto diet anyway, so I decided to go all the way.
And I take no prescription pharmaceuticals (rare/occasional OTC).
Basically, I practically inverted the food pyramid. No thanks on the plants and bugs diet.
I’d read that the body can run on either carbs (/sugars) or fats. One Dr. Kellogg—of the boxed cereal fame/infamy—discovered this and ran with the idea of carbs/sugars as fuel. He profited quite well going this route, I’d say.
I have friends and family who are diabetic or pre-diabetic (they’re all overfat). And I see them continue to eat a carb-heavy diet and resort to taking synthetic pharmaceuticals for ‘treatment’. They’re keeping Big Pharma F-A-T!
J
9:30 PM
I just read RayB's comments. I don't know how he misconstrued my statement to think it was an accusation against the Puritans. Especially since he was the one to bring up Antimonianism and implied that I'm guilty of that 'ancient heresy'.
I can understand why my last sentence confused you. Somehow a couple of previous sentences were left out. I'll blame my dog. He interrupts me a lot and doesn't seem to understand the important work I do when I'm seated at my desk.
To explain a little better - When my ancestors and their friends were banned from the Plymouth Colony, they lost their homes and most of their worldly possessions, including their guns. They walked from Massachusetts to Rhode Island and established the community of Portsmouth and later, Newport. The Portsmouth Compact established the independence of the colony from any other colony. It was the first document in America to cut political and religious ties with England. Rhode Islanders stood for religious freedom and a separate church and state. Accordingly, Rhode Island became a refuge for people persecuted for religious beliefs.
It's really a very interesting story. The whole thing started with a women's home bible study while the men attended a mandatory day-long bible study at the church. If they didn't attend the mandatory study, they were put in the stockade. When the women got excited about the study of salvation by grace, some of the husbands started attending the women's group. Things escalated leading to imprisonment and then banishment or be hanged.
I hope that explains better, from what I didn't say before.
Linda
Thanks, Linda. I find your stories about your family ancestry, combined with local Rhode Island history, very interesting. Your historical information is very local, very specific, and closer to primary sources of historical evidence.
I would think that RayB the history buff would find it very interesting, too. Huh.
Anonymous
X at 11:32 PM
I just viewed the Kenneth Copeland Prays for Donald Trump video. I'm amazed that Copeland would be at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania to speak for less than 5 min. and pray (but wasn't really a prayer). There has to be a back story to that. I wanted to mention that the first part of Copeland's "pep talk" was a push for Christian nationalism. Some here don't think the topic of Christian nationalism is very important to the discussion. If Kenneth Copeland is promoting it publicly at a political rally, I think it's quite relevant.
Linda
Linda
Thanks J,
2:15 PM
RayB's "ancient history" is more than 100 yrs. later than mine.
Linda
RayB challenged me a while back to define Christian Nationalism. I'll attempt to do so to the best of my knowledge and as objectively as I can after studying it and thinking about it. Keep in mind this is a blog comment, not a political philosophy or theology class. Don't be too hard on me if you always give a free pass to people who do little more than rant about their opinions.
I think I'll start by saying what Christian Nationalism is NOT.
A Christian Nationalist is not just a person who is a Christian and who wants nationalism over globalism. A Christian Nationalist is more of a Christian Nationist. No, I didn't mis-spell it. A Christian Nationalist is a person who thinks strongly that America is or should be a Christian Nation. It would be easier to understand if a Christian Nationalist was instead called a Christian Nationist. Otherwise people think that it's just a way of opposing nationalism and they probably assume it defaults to supporting globalism instead. But the term Christian Nationist is awkward and is not used. So I will use the term Christian Nationalist.
A Christian Nationalist holds an ideology - yes, ideology, not theology - that advocates a fusion of American civic life with a certain kind of Christian identity and culture - yes, identity and culture, not necessarily an increase in individual piousness.
It will make it a little easier if I say what Christian Nationalism is not.
It isn't exactly dominionism or theocracy, because theocracy would give the clergy more power over government. Christian Nationalists are happy to vote for impious people who will support a right wing agenda.
It isn't the imposition of Biblical principles over all of American law. The founding documents are held as divinely inspired. They are not regarded as being equal to the Bible. But they are seen as divinely revealed to Christian men who intended for America to be a Christian nation.
It isn't exactly the same thing as white American evangelicals, although there is a lot of overlap. Evangelicals tend to have a strong belief in the inerrancy of the Bible and the importance of conversion. Somebody can be an evangelical without being a Christian nationalist. Black and brown evangelicals can be Christian nationalists, although their percentages are lower. Not all white evangelicals are Christian Nationalists - not even all fiscally and socially conservative white evangelicals.
It isn't exactly the same thing as Christianity. Some non-Christians are strong Christian Nationalists. This seems not to make sense, but it does, because they see it as white heritage or western civilization heritage or tradition.
It's about cultural pre-eminence and political influence.
In my opinion it cannot be criticized from a non-Christian perspective without hypocrisy. This is because non-Christians also seek cultural pre-eminence and political influence.
In my opinion Christian Nationalism can only be non-hypocritically criticized from a truly biblical perspective. I'm all out of gas so I'll have to leave that topic for another time.
I find it difficult to believe that you J, are "all out of gas".
LOL
But thanks for clarifying what 'Christian Nationalism' is, and isn't.
Since this unchristian nation is rapidly descending into the pit, it really doesn't matter if a gnat has knobby knees, or spots on its back!
ANOTHER STOLEN ELECTION
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3:49 PM,
Your references to gnats and camels are wrested out of the original context and slapped at whatever you don't like.
Anon @ 3:49 PM ...
LOL !
And here I thought I was the only one that was confused.
RayB 4:53 PM,
Yes, that's it. Just do light lifting, not any heavy lifting. Don't strain yourself too much.
J @ 9:03 AM ...
I apologize that some of my posts have caused a great deal of confusion on your part.
I think you'll agree when I say that posting on a blog such as this has its limitations, due primarily to the limited space, along with the lack of immediate dialogue, which often leads to a break down in understanding.
I'll be perfectly frank with you J ... I don't believe you understand at all my statements or positions, as indicated again by your 1-5 statements in your 9:03 AM post. Providing you with answers to your statements would require a great deal of time in order to answer them properly. I'm not going to do that.
I'll address only one, and that is #5. What you wrote is a complete distortion of what I believe, and it would take a great deal of time and effort on my part, and you probably will not accept anyways, being that it is coming from me.
I know you like to read. I suggest you obtain a copy of Charles Hodges 'Systematic Theology.' I'll warn you ahead of time, it's lengthy, as in 1500+ pages in two volumes, but it is well worth the time spent.
PS: Virtually everything that you wrote in your 1-5 statements is a distortion of what I said, and what I believe. I'll leave it at that.
J,
Now that we know what you believe a Christian Nationalist is, I wonder, do you believe there such a thing as a Satanist Globalist, you know, the kind that is attempting to create Satan's despotic, anti-christ, One World Government?
PS: I still haven't met any Christian Nationalists. Perhaps you can tell me where I can find some?
"Rather the opposite will be the case, in the Liberal 'christian' turning in the Followers of Christ."
Yes.
Paul,
We also sang the doxology in the church I grew up in after the offering was given.
Praise God from whom all blessings flow
Praise him all creatures here below
Praise him above ye heavenly hosts
Praise father, son, and holy ghost. Amen.
Like another Anonymous, I sang the 2nd stanza as Praise him all creatures hear me low. I thought it was like the lowing of the cattle on a thousand hills. I was embarrassed when I realized my error.
My favorite blessing was at the end of the service. The choir exited first to the back of the church. The congregation turned to face them as they blessed us (to the tune of Eidelweiss)
May the Lord, mighty God
Bless and keep you forever
Grant you peace, perfect peace
Courage in every endeavor
Lift up your hearts and see His face
And His grace forever
May the Lord, mighty God
Bless you now and forever
Thanks, Paul, for the opportunity to share true poetry with the real Paul.
Linda
6:36 PM,
When I first read this:
"Rather the opposite will be the case, in the Liberal 'christian' turning in the Followers of Christ."
Yes.
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I felt so much joy because for just a brief moment I thought somebody here was actually saying that the liberal Christians would be turned into true followers of Christ.
Then I read it again and my heart fell.
Of course there would be no interest at all here in this comments section in the first way I read it. What was I thinking?
RayB,
I have to admit, I’m kinda surprised you’d recommend Hodge’s Systematic—what with the untranslated Greek and Hebrew (not even transliterated!), not to mention the Latin and French. I thought you’d be more inclined to recommend Louis Berkhof.
Is Hodge a recent acquisition or read (it can be found online, as it’s in the public domain) for you? I ask because a good grasp of the following excerpt would have saved you from your Christological and soteriological blunder a few years back. This is from CHAPTER XIII. THE EXALTATION OF CHRIST. § 3. Sitting at the Right Hand of God. (vol. II, page 635 of the Hendrickson 3-vol. print version; bold added):
“This is the next step in the exaltation of our Lord. He rose from the dead, ascended into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God ; that is, was associated with Him in glory and dominion. The subject of the exaltation was the Theanthropos ; not the Logos specially or distinctively ; not the human nature exclusively ; but the theanthropic person . . . .”
RayB 5:30 PM,
You wrote:
Anonymous RayB said...
J,
Now that we know what you believe a Christian Nationalist is, I wonder, do you believe there such a thing as a Satanist Globalist, you know, the kind that is attempting to create Satan's despotic, anti-christ, One World Government?
PS: I still haven't met any Christian Nationalists. Perhaps you can tell me where I can find some?
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I'm going to do what I want you to do and answer questions in a sincere attempt within reason (subject to my priorities, time limitations, brainwave bandwidth, etc. - so don't get too excited.)
I would like to try to start over with you. If the anon poster can extend an olive branch to X, I can extend an olive branch to you. We have gotten along in the past.
First, though, I need to take issue with using the word "believe in" rather than "think." "Believe in" is a term I use for religion. I suppose I may accept people using the term for Bigfoot or aliens or the Loch Ness monster, because it's colloquial and widely used that way, and because many intelligent people think there is too much evidence to dismiss but not enough evidence to prove.
I am NOT putting the belief in aliens on the same level as a belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Thousands of Christian apologists, historians and other Christian scholars have written books providing ample evidence that Jesus Christ was a real person historical who performed miracles that were witnessed by the people of his time and place and who rose from the dead three days later with witnesses. I do NOT doubt it. I'm ONLY describing the limits of how I would use the word "believe" and not saying every use of the word is somehow equal.
When talking about groups of people, I would prefer to say "think" and not "believe in." What I "think" is my opinion but not my religious belief, which I hope is an educated guess or a good approximation based on experience, observation, news and research.
Back to your question: "do you believe there such a thing as a Satanist Globalist, you know, the kind that is attempting to create Satan's despotic, anti-christ, One World Government?"
The simple answer is NO. The more complicated answer is SORT OF.
Again, we need to look at the words you're choosing. "Satanist." My understanding is that "Luciferian" would be a more accurate term for the most initiated elite of the New Agers. I don't think these people think they are choosing evil. I think they have been deceived by the adversary to put evil for good. I think they have been deceived by the devil coming as an angel of light. This is what I got from reading Constance's two books.
Now on to the next word in your sentence, globalist. Of course I think there are globalists. Some are no doubt Luciferian. Others may be atheists who have transhumanist leanings.
What really matters is that EVERYBODY who is not with Jesus is against Him, whether they know it or not. My understanding is that the more consciously people choose to be against Him, and the more other people they deceive, the more harshly they may become eventually judged. Whereas the people who are naive and "know not what they do" may not necessarily be judged as harshly as the leaders and the teachers. As Constance put it in her books, within the New Age, there exists the "hypnotizers" and the "hypnotized."
Ultimately, in my mind and heart, Christianity is not about a horror movie or a horror novel. Sin is everywhere. Sinners are already in bondage to the adversary, whether they have consciously made a decision to become a Satanist or a Luciferian, or whether they have not. Mostly, they have not.
Secret evil rituals are not the heart of sin. They are evil and they are forbidden in the Bible, of course. But sin goes on and on very well without them, too.
On to the rest of your question. Of course I think people exist who are trying to create an NWO or a Great Reset. They openly say so sometimes. I think this can be regarded as fact, not opinion. It's a matter of public record and quotations are easy to find online.
Next.
You said "Satan's despotic, anti-christ, One World Government?"
I honestly need to go word by word here. There is so much to unpack in each and every word, and I wish you had been more precise in your word choice, since your question consisted of a single sentence that you did not put into context in even one paragraph.
I need to ask: Why did you only say "one world government" and not say "one world religion" too? I need to ask why the emphasis is usually so much more on politics than on religion? You even left out "one world religion" entirely from your question.
I need to ask when you say "anti-christ" do you mean THE Antichrist or an antichrist. In the context of your sentence I would assume you mean THE Antichrist but from your past comments I think you mean the papacy and not the Dispensationalist Antichrist.
That would mean you are asking me if I think Satan will one day rule the whole world through the papacy. My answer is, NO.
Your term "one world government" needs to be unpacked as well. Do you think it needs to be overt, or do you think it could be covert, like "global governance?" Do you think it has to have an open actual ruler who is not a figure head, or do you think shadowy secret societies and NGOs (or the Deep State) can control it from behind the scenes?
I've struggled to answer your question in the way you've posed it, because the words you chose pack more fear than they do specific meanings.
RayB, you shouldn't have any problem finding a christian nationalist. Just look in the mirror.
https://time.com/6229171/christian-nationalist-forces-terrorized-me-as-a-child/
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/february-web-only/what-is-christian-nationalism.html
8:06 AM J,
Before you laid your ground rules out for RayB, I wished you had asked him if he had any allergies to leaven.
You like to disassemble narrative, so you can reassemble it more to your advantage. What religious group did Christ rebuke so harshly for making the law of God of no effect?
You and X, who you seem to be mostly ok with, are a good tag team. It is interesting how X takes a break when you post often.
Of course you will make this all about you as usual.
Tens of Billions Were Transferred to Ukraine and then Using FTX Crypto Currency the Funds Were Laundered Back to Democrats in U.S.
thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/breaking-exclusive-tens-billions-transfered-ukraine-using-ftx-crypto-currency-laundered-back-democrats-us/
8:54 AM,
Actually, you're the one who chose to make it all about me.
Janet Yellen Calls For Crypto to be Regulated After Biden Mega-Donor Collapses Multi Billion Dollar Crypto Ponzi Scheme
thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/go-janet-yellen-calls-crypto-regulated-biden-mega-donor-collapses-multi-billion-dollar-crypto-ponzi-scheme?
9:19 J,
You and X are so cute as a couple.
9:27 AM,
Let's see. A crypto billionaire just got wiped out. The Dems just took the Senate. Russians just retreated from Kherson. Biden has already passed some "Green New Deal" type legislation and no doubt wants to pass more of it. The Supreme Court just overturned Roe v. Wade, but voters in many states have passed laws to protect access to abortion. Montana voters just rejected a ballot measure that would have outlawed the killing of babies who are born alive during an abortion. Donald Trump is likely to be indicted for espionage by the DOJ in 2023. Meanwhile he is taking shots at both Youngkin and DeSantis, especially DeSantis, in anticipation of his rumored to be soon announcement that he will run for President in 2024. The Republicans will likely take the House but may get rid of Kevin McCarthy and put in charge a house speaker who will be more likely to launch investigations.
And all you care about right now is myself and X in this blog comment section. This is in spite of the fact that you have just chastised me for somehow making things all about myself "as usual."
Seriously, WTH?
J,
Yes, the Dems literally took the Senate.
I don't care about politics as much as you perhaps might?
But you love to spin everything J, just like X. You word craft everything.
J, You miss read a sentence I posted about Liberals being the ones who would turn in Christians in the tribulation. And not the other way around. When you realized your error: "Then I read it again and my heart fell." REALLY??? Isn't that 'just a tad' DRAMATIC! How can anyone here take you seriously?
The Christian nationalist movement has one goal: “To gain political power and to impose its vision on all of society” — no matter who gets hurt, what institutions must be destroyed, or how many elections must be overturned. This is often done through the tactics of political fascism, including the spread of misinformation and the use of dangerous “us vs. them” rhetoric and policies that attack equal rights for non-Christians, women, the LGBTQ community, people of color, immigrants, and other exploited populations.
In addition to the repeal of equal rights and the spread of antisemitism and Islamophobia, one of Christian nationalism’s greatest threats is the spread of political violence. The failed insurrection of January 6, 2021, was inspired by Christian nationalism, shown not only in the presence of crosses, Christian flags, Bibles, and prayers at the riot itself but also in the pre-riot support of Donald Trump’s Big Lie by faith leaders like False Prophets Franklin Graham, Tony Perkins, and Joseph Strickland. Nearly two years later, these and other False Prophets, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, Blake Masters, Josh Hawley, and Michael Flynn — continue to engage in heated rhetoric and bogus conspiracy theories that risk additional political violence.
What is Christian Nationalism? Why is it a Threat? How Does Christian Nationalism Contradict the Gospel? Who Are the False Prophets? What Are Christians Doing About Christian Nationalism and Its False Prophets?
https://americanfalseprophets.org/about
RayB
J would like to extend to you an olive branch!
As J said, you have gotten along in the past.
J made an obvious shift left, even though you, RayB, did not change. But the 'not getting along so well' must be your fault. If you can just learn to homogenize the soiled with the less soiled, then J will accept your person, and be nice to you!
What a Wonderful World this would be!
10:26 AM,
You are still obsessing about me.
You imply you focus on religion, not politics. I don't see you focusing on either. I see you focusing on me.
Why do I live rent free in your head?
Why not let RayB and me work out our own communication? We are both adults.
Anon 10:15,
No thanks. I won't be supporting the globalist grifters at the 'social justice' oriented faithfulamerica.org aka americanfalseprophets.org.
From the former's About Us page:
...When hate groups purport to speak for Christianity, we act. When bishops embrace discrimination and partisanship, we stand with our grassroots Catholic members and hold the U.S. hierarchy accountable to the inspiring words of Pope Francis.
Pope Francis?! Yeah, NOPE.
I'd wager that if you fully queried 100 different individuals who support any notion of 'Christian nationalism' you'd get 100 different answers--from full-blown NAR supporters to average Joe Americans that would like to see more Christian values in the public square.
And, no, I'm not any sort of 'Christian nationalist'. For me the term is an oxymoron.
10:15 AM
What you posted is a nearly 180 degree Pharisaical spin on reality.
Why should anyone be surprised!
I think Christians should probably not form political, organizations. It is a losing game, as the media is controlled by the.....I hope I get this right, Luciferians.
Nevertheless 10:15 AM, you are mixing the not so profane, with the completely profane. A top to bottom ritual here at this blog.
To add further to my thoughts @ 10:44 AM above, it seems to me this organization (faithfulamerica.org) is promoting 'Christian' ecumenism, i.e., moving toward a one world religion built around 'social justice'.
They're just using their opposition to 'Christian nationalism' as one of their tools.
Craig @ 12:08 AM ...
You stated:
Is Hodge a recent acquisition or read (it can be found online, as it’s in the public domain) for you? I ask because a good grasp of the following excerpt would have saved you from your Christological and soteriological blunder a few years back.
Actually Craig, I own the two volumes in hardback and read it in its entirety about 20 years ago, so, in answer to your question, "is it a recent acquisition or read" that answer is no.
I personally don't make a habit of thinking about posts that were discussed years ago, so my recollection might be somewhat cloudy. As I recall, several years ago, you and I had a go around regarding the deity of Christ, which I have NEVER denied, as in NEVER. (In fact, as I've stated before, I almost always invite Jehovah Witnesses in to my home when knock on our door. One of the subjects I always use is the Deity of Christ, as proven with the Scriptures, so your charge of "Christological blunder" is baffling) I seem to recall that the discussion had to do with my stating that Jesus has always been the Word of God throughout eternity, whereas (if I recall correctly) you said that the "Word" came into existence at the advent of Christ? If my memory is incorrect, you can straighten me out. Your recollection might be different, if so explain.
Regarding your claim of a "soteriological blunder" is also baffling. I have no idea what you are referring to. The only time I recall discussing anything referring to the doctrine of salvation was when you demanded to know whether or not I believed in Predestination. I distinctly recall that I copied and pasted a large section of Romans chapter 9 and asked you to provide your 'interpretation.' As I recall, you provided no such answer.
Craig,
A brief list of some of my other books in my library that may 'kinda' surprise you ...
Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion (2 volume set)
Calvin's Commentaries (complete 22 volume hardcover set)
Calvin's Letters & Tracts (complete 7 volume hardcover set)
Matthew Henry's Commentaries of the Old and New Testament
Charles Spurgeon's Sermons (10 volume, hardcover set)
Craig 10:44 AM,
You wrote:
I'd wager that if you fully queried 100 different individuals who support any notion of 'Christian nationalism' you'd get 100 different answers--from full-blown NAR supporters to average Joe Americans that would like to see more Christian values in the public square.
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I agree. And I doubt if most of those 100 individuals would label themselves as Christian Nationalists or would have a clear idea as to what Christian Nationalism is.
I never knew anybody at all publicly self-labeled as a Christian Nationalist until just very recently. For example, I've seen news that Marjorie Taylor Greene has called for Christian Nationalism and said that it's not bad. I had not known about Copeland at the Trump rally calling for Christian Nationalism until that news was posted in a comment here.
I had never seen the term Christian Nationalism used at all until X posted something about a long list of pastors condemning it. My very first reaction was to think: better to be a Christian nationalist than an anti-Christian globalist.
It could be that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Kenneth Copeland are trying to reclaim the label of "Christian Nationalist" because they have noticed the MSM attempting to give it a stigma so frequently in the last two or three years.
For better or for worse, it is a term that is being used now, so defining it seems to be necessary.
When I was watching the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving cartoon with my son last night, I noticed how casually Linus said a prayer at the table the kids sat around. It was pure Christian Nationalism! But it was so innocent and so lacking in self-consciousness. And it was harmless within its context.
The reactivity twists it into something different than it had been in the past - in my opinion. Something fought over will always be different than something that emerged peacefully and un-self-consciously out of the beliefs of the majority.
It can never be made the same again by forceful means. If a majority Christian nation were to emerge again at some point in the future, it could only happen by more hearts being won to follow Christ.
J @ 11:35 AM,
While you agree with me that 100 individuals who self-confess as having a notion of being a 'Christian nationalist' would likely adhere to 100 differing individual definitions, you then go on to state, For better or for worse, it is a term that is being used now, so defining it seems to be necessary. Logically, at best, a fixed definition would fit ONE out of the 100 persons claiming to be a 'Christian nationalist'. For the 99 others it would be straw man. I don't see how this is helpful at all.
This is the last thing I'll say about this topic today. I've said a lot of words about Christian Nationalism, but I think the bottom line can be kept pretty simple, and that bottom line is to avoid making anything or anybody into an idol.
Craig 11:46 AM,
I was writing my 11:50 comment before I saw your 11:46 comment. I'll think about what you said. My very first reaction is that you can still understand what black, white and primary colors are, even if you recognize that the painter mixed colors and used shades of gray. I do think I understand the point you are making, though. I don't think the point is unique to Christian Nationalism. I think it could be said of all ideologies.
Most men and women on the street hold a variety of ideas that they picked up from a variety of sources. Some exist in tension with others. Often the tension is emotionally mediated. It's the human condition.
We can just try to shine a flashlight on problems and conflicts when a reason pops up. We never have the floodlights all over the whole picture.
It's never a perfect process.
J,
Briefly (I don't have much time right now):
Thank you for offering a "restart." I readily accept your gracious offer as I ('think' it or not ... note I did not say 'believe'), I do not wish to 'fight' with anyone. It is a given in life, that if you stand for something, you're sure to meet opposition. We both have strong opinions/thoughts/beliefs. I actually don't have much respect for those 'middle of the road' fence sitters.
A couple of brief points to consider; at some point in time, the owner of this blog shifted dramatically away from the topic of the NAM, and 'religion,' to politics, which began with an all out assault on those that voted for Trump. Trump became an absolute obsession for her, and, it continues to this day, as evidenced by this most recent thread, which 'exposes' the 'threat' of this ridiculous 'book' that no one will read. Due to this perceptible shift, a number of us that were merely VOTERS for Trump (including Craig), took offense at Constance calling us 'Q-anon cult members,' 'Trump Worshippers,' 'Trump is your savior, not Jesus,' 'your Jesus is not my Jesus,' etc., etc. (Of course X and his ilk immediately jumped on that band wagon and has never let up).
It makes it VERY difficult to focus upon other matters (that are FAR more important to me) when that seems to be all that is being discussed. That is a very long (could be longer) explanation as to why I did not include the "One World Religion" with the One World Government statement. In my mind, both are being implemented by the very same spirit. Also, briefly, I believe it is the 'spirit of anti-Christ,' and not the actual 'political' anti-Christ of Dispensationalism that is driving this and other similar rebellions against Christ and His Word.
By the way, there was a time when the only thing I discussed in here was 'religion,' primarily the Bible vs everything else that was opposed to its teachings. Example: when I first began posting here, this was a VERY pro-Catholic blog, from the top down. Several of us, including Paul, stood on the Bible side, with practically everyone else on the other. Also, I've always argued against the NAM being something 'new' and special. It is not, it's nothing other than the old paganism wrapped in a modern package. As Solomon declared: "There is nothing new under the Sun." Ecc. 9:1
That's all I have time for ...
RayB @ 11:10 AM,
You read Hodge’s Systematic in its entirety 20 years ago? Do I presume you skipped over the foreign language portions (Greek, Hebrew, especially the lengthy Latin citations, plus French)? I have Hodge’s 3 volume reprint (with a handy subject index at the beginning of the first volume), and I confess I could read not much of the Latin and the Hebrew not at all. I was thankful when Hodge compared the (untransliterated) Hebrew to the Greek LXX so that I could better understand his points.
Yes indeed we had a discussion on Christology. But you must keep in mind that Christology includes both the Person and Work of Christ, to include both His Divine and His human natures. In other words, the term includes His humanity, not merely His Deity as you imply. (You may want to review Hodge on this: PART III. CHAPTER III. THE PERSON OF CHRIST.) Your faulty understanding of Christ’s human nature was at issue in our discussion.
To recap, you ridiculed my position until, responding to my challenge to your criticism of my position you posted an article by R. C. Sproul, which, ironically, supported my view. In a nutshell, your initial response to me in this particular instance exposed a faulty understanding of the bodily resurrection of Christ (Christology), which itself impairs soteriology/salvation (see 1Cor 15).
@ 12:27 PM on this thread you heretically wrote--while accusing me of heresy (my bold added):
Jesus Christ is no longer the "God-man." That was only temporal. He is now fully God without the flesh, which was destroyed on the cross.
Craig heretically believes that Christ continues "through eternity" with an "attached human nature/flesh." THIS IS A CLEAR diminishing of Christ's DEITY! AGAIN, when Christ was "manifested in the flesh," he purposely, and TEMPORARILY LOWERED himself "lower than the angels" in order to accomplish his predetermined sacrificial task...
Had you had a better grasp of Hodge, you would not have made these Christological and soteriological blunders. As an aside, it was in my reading Hodge years ago that I first encountered the term Theanthropos, which I used in the above-referenced thread.
In your recent (11:10 AM) comment you wrote: …(if I recall correctly) you said that the "Word" came into existence at the advent of Christ? If my memory is incorrect, you can straighten me out…
Your memory is incorrect. You can go back and reread the exchange at the link I provided above.
Who are those that make up this "remnant" in the United States?
5:46 PM
You don't know.
RayB doesn't claim to know.
It is God alone who knows hearts and minds.
I thought you were going to let God handle that?
Craig,
It appears to me that you are out to pick a fight. Why is that Craig?
We covered this all before and there is no need to rehash it. I stated that Christ went to heaven in his resurrected body. I thoroughly believe in His Deity, end of story.
What this really is is something personal. I think your negative feelings for me go back to the lengthy 'discussion' that we had over I John 5:7, which reads "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
As you recall, back then there was a blogger that was attacking the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity. While discussing this with that person, I used the I John 5:7 verse, which is the clearest 'Trinity' verse in the entire Bible. You took it upon yourself to interject yourself into our conversation by authoritatively declaring that the I John 5:7 verse "DID NOT BELONG IN THE BIBLE," which completely threw a cold bucket of water on our discussion.
You and I went back and forth on that verse over and over again. You finally backed off when I proved to you that the verse DID in fact belong in the Bible, as it also appeared in a number of other Bibles, and not just in the Authorized Version. These translations were not based upon the heretical 'interpretation' work of Westcott & Hort, who both proved themselves to hold to heretical views via their own personal letters and writings.
Craig,
I noticed that you didn't mention the subject of Soteriology in your 12:45 PM post.
Would you care to elaborate where you think that I committed a "blunder" (your word, not mine) regarding the doctrine of salvation?
I'd love to hear this one.
RayB,
It’s all very simple. You recommended Hodge’s Systematic to J. I have the Hodge and am familiar with it, which reminded me of our earlier exchange (in which I’d used Theanthropos, a term I first found in Hodge). Given your current promotion of his Systematic your fuzzy view of Christology in our earlier exchange is surprising. You could have saved yourself the embarrassment back then had you simply consulted the Hodge Systematic in your own personal library.
I will not be sidetracked by your deflection regarding the Johannine comma except to say that we have very different recollections of that exchange. The Wikipedia entry well-represents the facts on this issue:
The passage appears to have originated as a gloss in a Latin manuscript around the end of the 4th century, and was subsequently incorporated into the text of the Old Latin Bible during the 5th century, though not the earliest Vulgate manuscripts. It began to appear in manuscripts of the Vulgate starting after c. 800, and subsequently entered the Greek manuscript tradition in the 15th century (see Inclusion by Erasmus).
The comma is absent from the Ethiopic, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. It appears in some English translations of the Bible via its inclusion in the first printed New Testament, Novum Instrumentum omne by Erasmus, where it first appeared in the 1522 third edition. In spite of its late date, some members of the King James Only movement have argued for its authenticity.
@ 5:42 PM you boldly wrote:
I noticed that you didn't mention the subject of Soteriology in your 12:45 PM post.
Would you care to elaborate where you think that I committed a "blunder" (your word, not mine) regarding the doctrine of salvation?
I'd love to hear this one.
You seem to have a penchant for skimming comments, thereby missing important details. This was even mentioned by others on the thread from 3 years ago. In any case, here’s exactly what I wrote @ 12:45 PM above:
“In a nutshell, your initial response to me in this particular instance exposed a faulty understanding of the bodily resurrection of Christ (Christology), which itself impairs soteriology/salvation (see 1Cor 15).”
If Christ is not bodily raised, then we have no future resurrection hope (1Cor 15; particularly 15:12–19). Our faith would be futile (1Cor 15:17), for there would be no Atonement, no salvation.
Nice try Craig, but Wikipedia isn't considered to be a trustworthy source by any serious minded individual.
I can provide a *lengthy explanation as to why I admittedly FALSELY knee-jerked in attacking you regarding what I misinterpreted to be a statement of heresy on your part. I corrected that, and have made it perfectly, and, abundantly clear that I have ALWAYS believed in the bodily resurrection of Christ, along with his PHYSICAL, BODILY accession into heaven.
How many times do I have to state that before you will let this go?
I'm actually quite stunned that you even remember this, let alone, think enough to bring up something that I have repeatedly clarified.
*Would you like me to provide my explanation as to why I reacted against you without fully reading what you had wrote? I'd be glad to, but I don't think you'll be pleased with what I have to say.
Craig,
Regarding 1 John 5:7, you had made the FALSE claim that this verse only appeared in the Authorized Version, implying of course "ERROR" on the part of the King James Translators. You also made the claim that the verse DID not appear anywhere else.
I proved you wrong and you know it.
I took the time to post numerous other versions that DO contain that verse, while almost EVERY MODERN TRANSLATION does not.
Would you like me to provide you AGAIN with that information?
I think you should probably drop this Craig. I'd hate to have waste the time in order to prove you wrong all over again.
So much to catch up on...
Craig...I've added Prayer to Ukraine to my large concentration playlist of elevator music.
J... My initial response to the apology was decent when I thought it was J but it really applies to whoever provided it. I'm uncomfortable with apologies when I really don't need them myself. I knew when I got it wrong I had to come back again and I had no idea who I was even talking to. Even you holding me accountable for my side of the street seems unfair when no one can hold them to any standard because they're anon. Further, when I'm uncomfortable I resort to humor (I resort to humor when I'm comfortable too). If I was brief in my joking follow up, my bad. The second time they came back quoting one sentence where I was joking, to me, kind of negated their stated intent to supposedly giving me the benefit of the doubt. I was kind of done with the back and forth apologizing bit after that. The fact she/he tried to make it seem I ran them off, followed closely by Ray accusing me of "running off another" kind of makes me skeptical of the whole encounter now. Anon is (supposedly) gone now. Their choice.
I'll continue with your other posts later J
x
I'm sure that post above isn't very gracious either.
I apologize to ANYONE that takes offense.
x
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