Thursday, December 03, 2015

Disturbing New Issues in the Wake of the San Bernadino Shootings

Disturbing Issues in the Wake of the San Bernadino Shootings

Names have been released of the dead shooters yesterday in the San Bernadino massacre of 14 and wouding of many more.  The names are that of an Illinois born Moslem named Syed Farook and his wife Tashfeen Malik.  They are undoubtedly Islamic names.  Syed was 28 and his wife was 27.  They had a 6 month old baby.  They were reportedly, per CNN accounts this morning, "religious."

It has not been characterized so far as "terrorism," but San Bernadino police, also per CNN reports, "have not ruled terrorism out."  Per an article by Michele Hickford Farook had recently taken a month long trip to Saudi Arabia and came back with Tashfeen as his wife.

They left their baby with grandparents, Farook went to his employer's Christmas party and then appeared to be enraged at a co-worker.  He and Tashfeen returned and the rest is very tragic history.

Now, I'm not an Islamic basher, per se.  We have many Moslems in the Detroit metropolitan area and so far the relations between Jews, Christians, and Moslems has been mostly peaceful.  While there have been arguments over Christian presence at Moslem street festivals, there is also peaceful business interaction and even social friendships.  From SE Michigan's large Arabic community, there are large groups of both Christians and Moslems.  The Chaldean community is primarily Catholic, but I've met Chaldean Baptists.  Probably the most agitated of Arabic communities in the Detroit area to my observation are the Palestinians.  I do recall seeing reports of post-911 celebrations in the Dearborn area.  As I recall the celebrants were Palestinian.

Now, the interesting part from my observation -- not of the shooters -- but of the planned "dialogue and reconciliation".  A pleasant appearing fellow appeared on CNN's morning programming within the past half hour of my writing.  He said that he represented the Ahmahdiyya Mosque and they were holding a large prayer service at their San Bernadino mosque this evening (Thursday, December 3, 2015).  He urged everybody to come and pray with them.  I somewhat blinked as I thought I heard him say it was a movement founded by "the Messiah."

I've heard of Sunni Moslems and Shia Moslems.  This was the first I had heard of the Ahmadiyya movement of Moslems.  I decided to do a little research and found much of concern that like other phases of the New Age Movement (a Movement dedicated to eliminating Jews, Christians, and Moslems) was acting in a way that could subtly channel folk into the bottom line of the New Age Movement -- acceptance of  a new "Messiah" who was neither Jesus nor Jewish.

What was the Ahmadiyya Movement about?  The following significant and disturbing material is found in the Wikipedia article on the subject and I quote it here:


Ahmadiyya . . . officially, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community[2] or the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at; . . .  is an Islamic religious movement founded in British India near the end of the 19th century.[3][4] It originated with the life and teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908), who claimed to have fulfilled the prophecies of the world's reformer during the end times, who was to herald the eschaton as predicted in the traditions of variousworld religions and bring about, by peaceful means, the final triumph of Islam as per Islamic prophecy. He claimed that he was the Mujaddid (divine reformer) of the 14th Islamic century, the promised Messiah and Mahdi awaited by Muslims.[5][6][7][8] The adherents of the Ahmadiyya movement are referred to as Ahmadi Muslims or simply Ahmadis.
Ahmadi thought emphasizes the belief that Islam is the final dispensation for humanity as revealed to Muhammad and the necessity of restoring to it its true essence and pristine form, which had been lost through the centuries.[9] Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam’s true and essential teachings as practised by Muhammad and the early Islamic community.[10] Thus, Ahmadis view themselves as leading the revival and peaceful propagation of Islam.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the movement on 23 March 1889 and termed it the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at, sometimes translated as Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Since his death, the community has been led by a number of Caliphs and has expanded to over 200 countries and territories of the world. The Ahmadis were among the earliest Muslim communities to arrive inBritain and other Western countries.[9] Currently, the community is led by its Caliph, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, and is officially estimated to number between 10 and 20 million worldwide.[11][12][13] 

So, the Ahmadiyya Movement stands for a "Messiah," clearly neither Jesus nor Jewish.  It is very interesting to me that it was founded in India at just about the same time that the Theosophists were promulgating very, very similar philosophies and preparing the world to receive a new messiah, although the Theosophical Society originally passed itself off as merely studying comparative religion.

My impressions?  That the California killings could well have been part of a Isis or radicalized equivalent "sleeper cell" and that the New Age slogan of "crisis = opportunity" is also at work.  I'm still researching this, but as Californians were urged to flock to the Mosque for the communal prayer service I suspect it is another diabolical move towards their long awaited "New World Religion" where all say "blessed be thy God" rather than "blessed be My God."

My research in this area will continue and your comments are invited.

Stay tuned!

Constance


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Susanna said...

cont.

One of the reasons why Marshall Tito made Stepinac the subject of trumped up charges of collaborating with the Nazis is that after the war, Marshall Tito demanded that Stepinac break with Rome and establish a new “patriotic church.” Stepinac refused.


The show trial was so farcical that Louis Brier, president of the American Association of Jews, said at the time that “This great man [Stepinac] was tried as a collaborator of Nazism. We protest this slander. He has always been a sincere friend of Jews and was not hiding this even in times of cruel persecution under the regime of Hitler and his followers. He was the greatest defender of the persecuted Jews.”

Further proof that Cardinal Stepinac was not guilty of working with the Nazis came in 1985. That was the year that the man who originally tried him, Jakov Blazevic, admitted publicly that Cardinal Stepinac’s trial was framed from beginning to end and that the only reason he was tried was his refusal to break with the Roman Catholic Church.

It is for these reasons that the Catholic League contacted Rabbi Abraham Cooper, editor-in-chief of Response, asking him to comment on these facts. We also asked him, “Are you similarly quiescent in accepting the convictions of Jewish dissidents, like Natan Sharansky, by Soviet courts?”

Look for more slanderous attacks in October. The league will respond to as many unfair assaults as possible and is proud to defend a man that the Vatican has rightfully chosen to beatify.


http://www.catholicleague.org/slandering-stepinac/
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cont.

Susanna said...

cont.

Re:It is true that he might have made the situation worse by excommunicating the Ustase leader Ante Pavelic, but why did he not instantly defrock the ordained Catholics who were publicly on the rampage with guns?


Stepinac's control over the lower bishops and clergy was not uniform. Some who called themselves "Catholic" - some of them Franciscans - were involved in the atrocities and many WERE defrocked. Among them was the infamous Miroslav Filipović who joined the Ustaše on 7 February 1942 in a brutal massacre of 2,730 Serbs of the nearby villages, including 500 children. He was subsequently dismissed from his order. He became the Chief Guard of the Jasenovac concentration camp where he was nicknamed "Fra Sotona" ("Friar Satan"). When he was hanged for war crimes, he wore his clerical garb, although some claim he had been defrocked.


Clergy opposed to Ustaše violence

Pavelić told Nazi Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop that while the lower clergy supported the Ustaše, the bishops, and particularly Archbishop Stepinac, were opposed to the movement because of "Vatican international policy".[9] Some prominent Catholic clerics objected to the Ustaša violence.[23] Hebblethwaite wrote that to oppose the violence of the new Ustase regime, the "Vatican's policy was to strengthen the hand of [Archbishop Spepinac] in his rejection of forcible conversions and brutalities."[9] Phayer wrote that Stepinac came to be known as jeudenfreundlich (Jew friendly) to the Nazi-linked Ustaše regime, and suspended a number of priest collaborators in his diocese.[26] 31 priests were arrested following Stepinac's July and October 1943 explicit condemnations of race murders being read from pulpits across Croatia.[27] Martin Gilbert wrote that Stepinac, "who in 1941 had welcomed Croat independence, subsequently condemned Croat atrocities against both Serbs and Jews, and himself saved a group of Jews".[6] Aloysius Mišić, Bishop of Mostar, was a prominent resister.[23] Gregorij Rožman, the bishop of Ljubljana in Slovenia allowed some Jews that had converted to Catholicism and fled from Croatia into his diocese to remain there, with assistance from the Jesuit Pietro Tacchi Venturi in obtaining the permission of the Italian civil authorities.[28]

In Italian-occupied Croatia, Nazi envoy Siegfried Kasche advised Berlin that Italian forces were not willing to hand over Jews and had "apparently been influenced" by Vatican opposition to German anti-Semitism. The intervention of Giuseppe Marcone, Pius XII's Apostolic Visitor to Zagreb, saved a thousand Croatian Jews married to non-Jews.[6] The Apostolic delegate to Turkey, Angelo Roncalli, saved a number of Croatian Jews by assisting their migration to Palestine. Roncalli succeeded Pius XII as Pope, and always said that he had been acting on the orders of Pius XII in his actions to rescue Jews.[29]

The Israeli Holocaust Memorial Yad Vashem has recognised 109 Croatians as Righteous among the Nations for rescuing Jews from the Holocaust, including Catholic nuns, Jozic Jurin (Sister Cecilija), Marija Pirović (Sister Karitas), and Sister Amadeja Pavlović, and a priest, Father Dragutin Jesih, who was murdered
......read more........



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Usta%C5%A1e

Susanna said...

RayB

Regarding Carl Savich, the author of that article you posted from Serbianna.

Carl Savich and any reference to him was removed from the website of the University of Minnesota Center for Holocaust Studies after it was realized that his writings were not based on actual research but only his interpretation of events. Prior to this the Congress of North American Bosniaks (CNAB) filed a complaint to the University of Minnesota for using "extremely biased source - that of one Carl Savich" in a section of their web site describing the Holocaust and Bosnia. CNAB complained that Savich is a genocide denier and extremely unreliable source for the Holocaust research. The University of Minnesota responded by removing references to Carl Savich from their web site while promising that the Center will "engage its affiliated faculty to undertake a comprehensive review of the text devoted to Bosnia and the Holocaust from the center’s website."....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Kosta_Savich
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Letter to UoM: Carl Savich is Genocide Denier and Unreliable Source for the Holocaust Research

June 9, 2009

http://www.bosniak.org/letter-to-uom-carl-savich-is-genocide-denier-and-unreliable-source-for-the-holocaust-research/
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Susanna said...

RayB


Regarding Carl Savich author of the article at the Serbianna link you posted:


Carl Savich and any reference to him was removed from the website of the University of Minnesota Center for Holocaust Studies after it was realized that his writings were not based on actual research but only his interpretation of events. Prior to this the Congress of North American Bosniaks (CNAB) filed a complaint to the University of Minnesota for using "extremely biased source - that of one Carl Savich" in a section of their web site describing the Holocaust and Bosnia. CNAB complained that Savich is a genocide denier and extremely unreliable source for the Holocaust research.[3] The University of Minnesota responded by removing references to Carl Savich from their web site while promising that the Center will "engage its affiliated faculty to undertake a comprehensive review of the text devoted to Bosnia and the Holocaust from the center’s website." ......


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Kosta_Savich

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Letter to UoM: Carl Savich is Genocide Denier and Unreliable Source for the Holocaust Research


June 9, 2009


http://www.bosniak.org/letter-to-uom-carl-savich-is-genocide-denier-and-unreliable-source-for-the-holocaust-research/

Anonymous said...

Paul,

We are to "come out of Babylon". "Mystery Babylon" is mixture. God wants us to hit the mark, that doesn't mean we never sin but when you hear blatant error like that, you should correct the Pastor and if he doesn't want to hear it try to find a place where there are like-minded people. In this day and age it's difficult but not impossible. We need truth today more than ever to renew our minds in these last days.

Sounds like the Pastor is somewhat ignorant of the true nature of Islam and wants to be PC. We don't have to hate Muslims who are just blind lost people. We have to share the gospel with them and hate the religion that keeps them blind and captive. The confusion of religion has been started. We'll see many more people joining hands but as Paul says we shouldn't be bound with unbelievers, and we should not be in partnership with lawlessness, and light has no place with darkness-loose paraphrase from 2Corinthians 6:14-15.

We need to pray for those who persecute us and pray that God brings many from Islam to his kingdom. He has already, but remember once a long time ago, people in some of the countries that areIslamic were mainly Christian or
Jews. Prime example is Turkey, Syria, N. Africa. Islam was spread by conquest, rape, pillage and plunder.
People did not convert by conviction but by the sword. What kind of religion is that?

You can give your Pastor some historical materials. Another big mistake is that Allah is not YHVH. If you look at the character of the Muslim god, it's a capricious god who wants submission- that is the meaning of the word Islam. There is not grace, no certainty of salvation, just an impersonal god who is really no god at all.

Mohamed a visions that he claimed were demonic and his wife and her uncle convinced him otherwise. When we see what Islam is doing around the world, the roots of it are violent. Not all Muslims are violent. Fortunately, many are quite moderate and don't really follow the sayings and life of Mohamed. Islam is 7th century Arabian culture, wrapped into a religion which is used to politically dominate.

Ignorance of what Islam is, is rampant and in our PC culture, people are afraid of speaking truth. We need to speak truth while it is still legal. I'm not talking hate speech, just truth. Loretta Lynch is about to outlaw "Muslim hate speech". I don't believe we should use hate ever, but speaking truth about historic origins of a religion should be acceptable in a free society. If she does this, she will be "submitting" to the OIC's demand of no criticism of Islam.

We are called to speak truth in love. We can separate people from the religion they belong to. That doesn't make us bigots. That makes us true followers of Jesus who spoke truth to power.

Susanna said...

RayB

Regarding Carl Savich, author of the article at the Serbianna link you posted:

Carl Savich and any reference to him was removed from the website of the University of Minnesota Center for Holocaust Studies after it was realized that his writings were not based on actual research but only his interpretation of events. Prior to this the Congress of North American Bosniaks (CNAB) filed a complaint to the University of Minnesota for using "extremely biased source - that of one Carl Savich" in a section of their web site describing the Holocaust and Bosnia. CNAB complained that Savich is a genocide denier and extremely unreliable source for the Holocaust research.[3] The University of Minnesota responded by removing references to Carl Savich from their web site while promising that the Center will "engage its affiliated faculty to undertake a comprehensive review of the text devoted to Bosnia and the Holocaust from the center’s website." ......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Kosta_Savich
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Letter to UoM: Carl Savich is Genocide Denier and Unreliable Source for the Holocaust Research

June 9, 2009

http://www.bosniak.org/letter-to-uom-carl-savich-is-genocide-denier-and-unreliable-source-for-the-holocaust-research/

Constance Cumbey said...

Had a busy Sunday myself and am in court in morning and taking grandsons to dental appointments in pm -- the discussion is informative and fascinating. Based on my current knowledge and understanding, I have to take Susanna's side on this one, RayB, given the known propaganda slant of then Communist governments of which Yugoslavia's Tito clearly was.

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

URGENT: This just in regarding the Ahmadiyya Moslems in California. No excuse for the vandalism, but again, this will be a crisis = opportunity for the Alliance of Civilizations group that Rich of Medford has so diligently researched:

HAWTHORNE, Calif. — Vandals spray-painted graffiti at two mosques in the Southern California city of Hawthorne and left a device that looked like a hand grenade in the driveway of one of the mosques on Sunday, prompting police to investigate both incidents as a hate crime.
A bomb squad was called, and the area around the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Baitus-Salaam Mosque was evacuated after the device was discovered around 6:30 a.m., police said in a statement. Investigators determined the device was a plastic replica of a hand grenade. The word "Jesus" was sprayed in white paint on the mosque's fence.
Police received another call that the phrase "Jesus is the way" was spray-painted in front of the Islamic Center of Hawthorne.
Police and the FBI were investigating the vandalism, which appeared to have occurred overnight, as hate crimes.
"This type of behavior is born out of ignorance and fear and we as members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community ... we respond with peaceful dialogue," said Ahsan M. Khan, a chapter president of the community.
"It's through peaceful dialogue that we can hopefully see less of this type of hate crime," he said.


Source: Microsoft News - Associated Press

Constance

Susanna said...



RayB


Regarding Carl Savich at Serbianna - author of the article on Stepinac:





Carl Savich and any reference to him was removed from the website of the University of Minnesota Center for Holocaust Studies after it was realized that his writings were not based on actual research but only his interpretation of events. Prior to this the Congress of North American Bosniaks (CNAB) filed a complaint to the University of Minnesota for using "extremely biased source - that of one Carl Savich" in a section of their web site describing the Holocaust and Bosnia. CNAB complained that Savich is a genocide denier and extremely unreliable source for the Holocaust research.[3] The University of Minnesota responded by removing references to Carl Savich from their web site while promising that the Center will "engage its affiliated faculty to undertake a comprehensive review of the text devoted to Bosnia and the Holocaust from the center’s website." ......



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Kosta_Savich

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Letter to UoM: Carl Savich is Genocide Denier and Unreliable Source for the Holocaust Research


June 9, 2009



http://www.bosniak.org/letter-to-uom-carl-savich-is-genocide-denier-and-unreliable-source-for-the-holocaust-research/

Anonymous said...

Paul,

"Our Moslem brothers and sisters"

I'd ask what your pastor meant by that phrase. In Acts Paul tells some Greeks that we are all God's children; we don't want a mindset that would condemn him for such phrases. Your pastor might have meant that, or might have meant American Moslems and therefore brothers in the sense of being fellow Americans. Or he might have meant what you rightly fear he meant, but you owe it to yourself and him to clarify before walking.

Anonymous said...

Susanna,

I am not tarring (and didn't tar) Archbishop Stepinac with being a Croatian fascist nationalist who hated Serbs. Unlike some here, I think he meant well. My problem with him relates to the principle of corporate responsibility. The behavior of significant numbers of Catholic clergy in wartime Croatia was a deep disgrace. Stepinac was in charge of them and it is not plausible that he did not know what was going on. Why did he not take action to discipline them or issue public statements that what they were doing was excommunicable? If the answer is that he was told not to by Pius XII then the black mark goes to Pius rather than Stepinac. But there is a black mark for one of them, and to deny that is to deny responsibility in a way that would be whitewashing if someone's subordinates did it in politics or business. The church is meant to have higher standards than the world, moreover.

Good that Stepinac facilitated nominal conversions of Jews and Serbs. That does not mean that many conversions of Serbs were not done at gunpoint, however. There is clear evidence that this was widespread. Priests embedded in Ustase units bear direct responsibility for that, and Stepinac bears corporate responsibility.

Anonymous said...

Hi Ray B, yes the Vatican did directly collude in the jesuitical Ustaše plot against those of the Serbian Orthodox faith (many forced to convert to Roman 'Catholicism') and still murdered in horrific ways (often directly by the hands of RC 'priests', etc) as others who refused such forced conversion, starved, loaded into concentration camps such as the notorious Jasenovac camp, tortured, raped and more!

Yes, it is a truism that those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it but this is only so when we dig deeply enough and think critically.

Walter Benjamin said, "history is written by the victors" (see his thesis on the philosophy of history), and so it is in this SMOM Jesuit atmosphere, where history is rewritten in Orwellian fashion through their control over media,publishing and academic institutions.

The masses are being gaslighted, bewitched and blinded by jesuitical chicanery. We must be as the Berean Greeks and search out an issue fully.

In the words of Bob Marley,"If you know YOUR history, then you would know where you're coming from... ", yes, know your history, research and realise a lot of the reported history out there is sullied by jesuitical lies and distortion, including the involvement of the Vatican in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy (Lateran Treaty, 1929, / Nazi concordat with the Vatican, etc.), the Ustaše, Slovakia, and many more besides.

This is a site with interesting information :

www.spirituallysmart.com

http://spirituallysmart.com/igotsavededit.html

See also the official site of memorial for Jasenovac.

http://www.jasenovac.org/index.php

God bless you.

Marko said...

Paul,

One other thing I'd like to mention....

Well, first, I agree with Anon. 5:12 am.

You said: "Now I don't know where to go, but I feel that I should go; somewhere else.
I know, I know, the aim of the New Age from the beginning has been to ultimately
pit Moslems against Christians and Christians against Jews and Jews against
Moslems, in a final world war. But how can I not be strongly opposed to Islam
when Islam is openly and clearly anti Christian. I mean, they're murdering Christians
literally as fast as they can, wherever they can get away with it, which is in Moslem
countries. To me Islam is the very definition of the spirit of Anti Christ."

This "conflict of reality" is why I do not agree completely with the idea that the "end of days" wars (or the "final" war) will involve only the monotheistic religions in a war against each other. That might be their plan, but it will not describe completely the wars we will see in the future (if we live that long). Russia and China and other powers are going to war as well.

My views keep getting tweaked as I learn more, observe more, read the Bible more, understand the world situation more. World war is coming, and New Agers might have their plans, but that doesn't mean that those plans will be carried out as they had hoped. Rarely do large-scale or long-range plans "follow the script". There is always tweaking involved, at least, and sometimes plans must be scrapped altogether. When looking at the future, and trying to figure out how things will go, we can say general things with more certainty, specific things with less.

Can it be said for certain that the clash between Islam and Christianity/Judaism is part of some New Age plot? I really don't think that's been shown to be the case - to me anyway. Maybe I'm just too dense to see it. To me it's one of the three against the other two. And the one is winning because the other two (or at least Christianity) is too wimpy and thinks we need to get along with everyone to be like Jesus.

So let me ask everyone: Does loving your neighbor mean you let him get away with murder? That is one of the central questions of our times.

Susanna said...

Anonymous, 6:41 AM

I accept that you were not tarring Cardinal Stepinac. It sounds to me as if your problem with "corporate responsibility" as it pertains to the Catholic hierarchy might be a consequence of thinking in terms of a secular meaning of that term instead of a religious one.

Did you not read my previous posts? Especially the one at 10:14 P.M.?

Pavelić told Nazi Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop that while the lower clergy supported the Ustaše, the bishops, and particularly Archbishop Stepinac, were opposed to the movement because of "Vatican international policy". Some prominent Catholic clerics objected to the Ustaša violence. Hebblethwaite wrote that to oppose the violence of the new Ustase regime, the "Vatican's policy was to strengthen the hand of [Archbishop Spepinac] in his rejection of forcible conversions and brutalities." Phayer wrote that Stepinac came to be known as jeudenfreundlich (Jew friendly) to the Nazi-linked Ustaše regime, and suspended a number of priest collaborators in his diocese.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Usta%C5%A1e
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"Being in charge" does not necessarily translate into in "being in control."

Stepinac was not elevated to the rank of Cardinal by Pope Pius XII until 1952.

Perhaps you are unaware of this, but as a bishop Stepinac would have only had the authority to discipline those priests who were in his own diocese (Zagreb) and therefore directly under his authority. As the aforementioned article states, Stepinac DID suspend a number of priests in his diocese when he learned that they were collaborators with the Ustase.

In the Roman Catholic Church, each bishop is sovereign in his own diocese and ultimately answerable only to the Pope, and not other bishops. Moreover, Stepinac would only have had the authority to discipline/suspend/excommunicate collaborating PRIESTS AND RELIGIOUS under his authority and not other bishops.

cont.

Susanna said...

cont.

As for the issue of whether or not Stepinac knew what was going on, reports indicate that he did not at first know what the Ustase was all about. But it didn't take him long to wise up. And when he did, he took action.....publicly, and when it was most dangerous.

It is very easy to do armchair quarterbacking in terms of giving opinions about how things should or should not have been handled when, unlike the actual historical players, one was not responsible for the probable consequences consisting of severe and deadly reprisals for one's public words and actions that were likely to be inflicted on people who are not even Catholic!!!.....in this case Serbs and Jews.

That includes Pius XII whose public words and actions had consequences not only for Catholics in the third Reich, but also for the Jews and other "racial rejects" in Hitler's crosshairs. It was Jews themselves who occasionally asked Pius XII to remain silent in order to avoid Nazi reprisals.

The following is from the Virtual Jewish Library:

The Vatican & the Holocaust:
A Question of Judgment - Pius XII & the Jews

by Dr. Joseph L. Lichten
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/piusdef2.html
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Again, reports indicate that Stepinac did not at first recognize the Ustase for the evil regime it was:

....It is true that it took time for Cardinal Stepinac to recognize the evil of the Ustasa regime. But his support for Croatian independence did not make him a supporter of the Ustasa. Before World War II, he was a supporter of the Croatian Peasants Party of Vladko Macek, who was imprisoned by the Ustasa. In 1938 he lectured university students on the Christian principles rejected by the Ustasa: “if love toward a nation crosses the borders of sound reason, then it is no longer love, but passion, and passion is neither of use, nor lasting. . . . Therefore love toward your own nation is not contradictory to the love for the whole of mankind; they complement each other. All the nations are children of God.” These views did not change after the Ustasa came to power. In 1942, he instructed the clergy of the Archdiocese of Zagreb that they could not participate in any political party and reminded them that “respect for every race and nationality” was one of the principles recognized by “The Church of Christ.”


....British scholar and Stepinac biographer Stella Alexander, in her 1978 article “Archbishop Stepinac Reconsidered” in Religion in Communist Lands, provides a useful summary of Stepinac’s actions in protesting the actions of the Ustasa: “As soon as Stepinac could bring himself to believe what was happening, and even more difficult to credit, that the highest authorities approved, he began sending protests to Pavelic, at first courteous and restrained but with growing indignation and forcefulness.” These protests were private. But “From May 1942 he attacked the actions of the government in sermon after sermon, not only the forcible conversions but the anti-semitism and anti-Serbianism of the regime, the taking and shooting of hostages and the forcible breaking up of Jewish-Gentile marriages, and he wrote bitterly to Pavelic about the conditions in the concentration camps, particularly the one at Jasenovac.”
.....read entire article...

https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cardinal-stepinac-another-view/

RayB said...

Susanna,

You constantly deflect attention away from issues by attacking the source, rather than the substance. Why can't you address the numerous references and extensive bibliography in the Serbianna piece? Instead, you attack the information provided by citing WIKIPEDIA as if Wiki is a be all and end all, factual source of information. No serious researcher would give more than a passing glance to the notoriously unreliable Wikipedia because it too often uses biased, unchallenged input for its material.

There exists, if you care to do some research, numerous documentaries that have interviews of the survivors of the Catholic/Fascsist/Ustashie State of Croatia. Those witnesses recorded what they saw for posterity so that deniers of the truth would have a very difficult time disputing what actually happened. To deny what these people suffered at the hand of these butchers, IMO, puts one in league with them.

"The truth remains the truth even when no one believes it. A lie remains a lie even when everyone believes it."

Susanna said...

Anonymous 10:55 A.M.

Re:Yes, it is a truism that those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it but this is only so when we dig deeply enough and think critically.

Really? Then perhaps you might want to "think critically" ( Critical = "carefully balanced judgement" ) and "dig deeply" enough to read this:

Why Did German Protestants Support Hitler?

Lutheran Nazi-era mistakes serve as a warning today.

By Matthew Tuininga, April 15, 2013

http://www.patheos.com/Evangelical/Why-Did-German-Matthew-Tuininga-04-16-2013
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The Protestant churches in Nazi Germany - Garnet Peet (1960 - 1987)

http://spindleworks.com/library/peet/german.htm
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Though evangelical churches accepted the Hitler regime as divinely ordained, they are still very reluctant to admit to their culpability. Protestant churches are still in denial of the fact that keeping silent when 6 million Jews were murdered was a sin.

Martin Niemoeller, a Protestant pastor was imprisoned by the Nazis and told by another visiting minister that he’d be released if he agreed to keep silent about certain things and respect the government. The visiting pastor concluded “And so, why are you in jail?” to which Niemoeller responded “Why aren’t you in jail?”
(p.693 Foundations of the Christian Faith, J.M Boice)
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Susanna said...

cont.

In 1948 Nazi apologists such as the German Council of the Evangelical Church published a declaration justifying the Shoah [Holocaust]: “The doom of the Jew is silent proof that God will not stand for any nonsense in warning us Christians and admonishing Jews.”

Three respected Protestant German theologians, Gerhard Kittel, Paul Althaus and Emanuel Hirsch turned their expertise to Aryanising New Testament theology. Althaus a leading Lutheran declared in 1933 that Hitler was a “gift and miracle from God.” Many of the themes and ideas they utilised you can still hear from various pulpits in Britain today and still British Protestantism thinks that it has nothing to repent of and can only complain that ‘the Jews have never had it so good as they have had it in Britain!’

These aforementioned theologians and the Deutsche Christen turned the cross into a Swastika, Hitler into the Messiah and the Aryans into the Chosen people, the Jewishness of Jesus denied, de-Judaised Christianity, suppressed the Old Testament and gave a theological foundation for oppressing the Jews.

Houston Stewart Chamberlain, son of a British admiral became a naturalised German citizen, he was so important that Hitler attended his funeral in 1927. Chamberlain wrote “whoever claimed that Jesus as a Jew was either stupid or telling a lie… Jesus was not a Jew. What was he then? Probably an Aryan!”
(p.149 Arnold Frank of Hamburg by Robert Allen)
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GERMAN CHRISTIANS (Salvation by race instead of grace)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians

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So shame, shame, shame upon those Protestants who now attack the Catholic Church and, in particular, Pope Pius XII, who saved over 800,000 Jewish lives, in stark contrast to the Protestant leaders who, instead, actively collaborated with the diabolically evil, pagan "thousand year reich" and its murderous Nazi Fuhrer.

But don't get me wrong. It is not my intention to gratuitously excoriate Protestants. But since certain "Protestants" here ( and you know who you are ) apparently want to "dig deeper" into the historical record and "think critically," it is only fair that as long as Catholic Popes and prelates from the past are going to be continuously taken to task - often falsely - for allegedly collaborating with Hitler and his secundos, then it is only fair that guilty Protestants from the past should likewise be taken to task.

By the way, Anonymous 6:41 A.M. is not among the targets of this comment.

Anonymous said...

"It sounds to me as if your problem with "corporate responsibility" as it pertains to the Catholic hierarchy might be a consequence of thinking in terms of a secular meaning of that term instead of a religious one."

Susanna, I have no problem. I am using the adjective "corporate" to mean a body, not a corporation in the business sense, and my meaning is certainly appropriate for the church, while the notion of a hierarchy of authority is common to both.

At Zagreb Stepinac was a Metropolitan Archbishop. Perhaps you can tell me, therefore, whether he had authority over all of the priests in Croatia, not only directly over those in his own diocese but also via other bishops (suffragan or otherwise) in that land. If he did not then who did and, aren't they responsible? The disgrace perpetrated by the ordained clergy in wartime Croatia was large-scale and systematic; how was such a large number of men, who violently put nationalism above Christ when the opportunity came, put in place? Something was deeply rotten in the Catholic church in wartime Croatia, and (therefore) during the years before and this needs to be acknowledged, not minimised. One may discuss whether it was a rotten "church culture" at lower levels or whether it was due to one or two bad senior men advancing an agenda; but it was open to Stepinac to issue a public proclamation stating that taking part in massacres was a mortal sin and, among priests, grounds for prompt excommunication. I repeat that I am not accusing him of sympathy with genocide against Serbs, but high-up leadership at times calls for action rather than silence.

Anonymous said...

So shame, shame, shame upon those Protestants who now attack the Catholic Church and, in particular, Pope Pius XII, who saved over 800,000 Jewish lives, in stark contrast to the Protestant leaders who, instead, actively collaborated with the diabolically evil, pagan "thousand year reich" and its murderous Nazi Fuhrer.

But it isn't so simple as Catholic or Protestant. Protestants have differing denominations. German Lutherans bear the heavy responsibility that you correctly point out. But Anglicans don't. Southern Baptists don't. Catholics are apt to think, without realising it, that Protestantism is a single giant hierarchy, like their church is. That is not the case. Protestant diversity is a strength, not a weakness.

Susanna said...

RayB,

Re:You constantly deflect attention away from issues by attacking the source, rather than the substance. Why can't you address the numerous references and extensive bibliography in the Serbianna piece?

Since I don't think the issue can be separated from the source cited as describing it, I beg to differ. I have also addressed the numerous references from the bibliography in the Serbianna piece which is not as "extensive" as you are trying to make it out to be.

Apparently YOU haven't thoroughly checked out the bibliography! I am doing something YOU should be doing. But since you are not, I am going to continue doing just what I am doing......vetting your sources and debunking them if necessary.

The only thing that is "extensive" about the bibliography is the frequency with which Savich cites one of the referenced sources in the bibliography at the end of his article. The source is 4John Cornwell, Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (New York: Viking, 1999), p. 258.

That reference by an apparently disgruntled Catholic has been debunked by Pave the Way Foundation founded by a Jewish Gentleman named Gary Krupp. Because of Krupp and other Jewish defenders of Pope Pius XII, Cornwell has been forced to retract many of the claims he has made.

Rabbi Seeks To Dispel Myths About Pius XII
June 19, 2010 by John Rook

After the war, Pius XII was hailed for his efforts, but things began to change in 1963 when Rolf Hochhuth produced his play called The Deputy, which indicted Pope Pius XII for not intervening on behalf of the Jewish community. It began a reexamination of the record and brought up strong criticisms of the Pope’s actions.
That negative view of Pius has existed for decades, and even prompted journalist John Cornwell to pen his controversial book, Hitler’s Pope, in 1999.
However, Silver contends that the Pius XII depicted in The Deputy was based less on history and more on a KGB plot to discredit the Pope, who was anti-communist.
“It was a KGB plot, and Hochhuth was a part of it,” said Silver. “It was typical KGB disinformation and, unfortunately, it caught on.”



cont.

Susanna said...

cont.


As for Cornwell’s newer denunciation, Silver says that the journalist has been forced to retract many of the claims he made and explain away the cover of the book — a photograph that appears to show Pope Pius XII leaving a large building while a member of the SS salutes — which was distorted to create a negative look.
“The photo was taken 12 or so years before he was even Pope, and the person saluting is not an SS soldier, but the driver holding the door,” explained Silver.
A book detailing the group’s findings has been published and Silver has continued to champion Pope Pius XII....


http://www.cheshireherald.com/node/2695
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Also...

Various commentators have challenged the book's leading ideas, or challenged factual assertions contained within it. Jewish historian of the Holocaust Martin Gilbert credits Pius XII with various actions which saved Jews, and notes that the Nazi security forces referred to him as the "mouthpiece of the Jewish war criminals". Pius XII maintained links to the German Resistance, and in the assessment of Catholic historian Frank Coppa writing for the Encyclopedia Britannica, Cornwell's depiction of Pius XII as anti-Semitic lacks "credible substantiation".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Pope
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The problem with you is that you are only willing to accept whatever "evidence" happens to agree with your ready-made opinions. If you want the names of Catholic villains from the days of the Third Reich, I can give you some real winners. But I will confine myself to one. His name was Father Alois Hudal and after World War II, Hudal helped establish the ratlines, which allowed prominent Nazi German and other European former Axis officers and political leaders, among them accused war criminals, to escape Allied trials and denazification.

Hudal was particularly close to Franz von Papen, who as the Reich's ambassador in Vienna prepared the German-Austrian agreement of 11 July 1936, which some claim paved the way for the Anschluss. This agreement was backed by Hudal in the Austrian press, against the position of several Austrian Bishops. The former Centre politician von Papen, who was considered dangerous and disliked by the Nazis for his Catholicism, was later sent to the German Embassy in Ankara.

When, in 1937, Hudal published his book on the foundations of National Socialism, Church authorities were upset because of his deviation from Church policy and teachings. Hudal, without mentioning names, had openly questioned the Vatican policy of Pope Pius XI and Eugenio Pacelli towards National Socialism, which culminated in the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, in which the Vatican openly attacked National Socialism. The 1937 Hudal book froze his steady rise in Rome and resulted in his leaving the city after the war.

His close relationship with Pacelli and Pius XI stopped immediately after the publication of his book in 1937, which was seen as contradicting Mit brennender Sorge and the 1933 Reichskonkordat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hudal
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Anonymous said...

RayB,

Susanna is correct that you need to exorcise Cornwell from your reliable sources. He isn't one. Recent work has been done in newly opened Vatican archives by genuine scholars such as David Kertzer and Michael Phayer. As more archives get opened their earlier books become dated, but that is true of Catholic scholars too.

Anonymous said...

"So shame, shame, shame upon those Protestants who now attack the Catholic Church and, in particular, Pope Plus XII..."

The lady doth protest too much, methinks!


http://nomanregarded.blogspot.com.es/?m=1

Any response (something wiki this way comes [knocking ])?

RayB said...

Susanna,

You cite John Cornwell as an author that lacks "credibility" due to a statement cited on the Wikipedia site by a CATHOLIC "historian." What a shock he would attack Cornwell ! I would argue that Cornwell's book is highly credible, in spite of Catholic attacks to the contrary.

Here are just a few references from the Serbianna article with bibliography sources that appeared in the “Serbianna” article. Complete bibliography to follow …

The genocide committed in the NDH was open and common knowledge. In “The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930–1965” (Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2000), historian Michael Phayer concluded that “it is impossible to believe that Stepinac and the Vatican did not know that the Ustasha murders amounted to genocide”.

From “The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation,” edited by David Cesarini (London: Routledge, 1996): 487,000 Orthodox Serbs and 27,000 Gypsies were murdered between 1941 and 1945 in the NDH. (15) Out of a population of 45,000 Jews, approximately 30,000 were murdered during the same period. 20,000-25,000 were murdered in the Croatian death camps, such as Jasenovac and Nova Gradiska, while 7,000 were sent to the gas chambers.

The Vatican protected the accused Ustasha war criminals and assisted them in escaping prosecution for war crimes. In “Pius XII, The Holocaust, and the Cold War” (Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2008), Phayer showed that the Vatican put diplomatic pressure on the US and the UK not to apprehend Ante Pavelic or any other wanted Ustasha war criminals.

At the time the Vatican de facto recognized the Ustasha NDH state, did it know of the massacres against Serbs? The atrocities were described by Carlo Falconi in his documentation of the crimes in “The Silence of Pius XII “ (London: Faber, 1970).

RayB said...



Bibliography

Cesarini, David, ed. The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation. London: Routledge, 1996.

Cornwell, John. Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII. New York: Viking, 1999.

Falconi, Carlo. The Silence of Pius XII. London: Faber, 1970.

Frattini, Eric. The Entity: Five Centuries of Secret Vatican Espionage. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 2008. Translated by Dick Cluster.

Manhattan, Avro. Terror Over Yugoslavia: The Threat to Europe. London, UK: C.A. Watts, 1953.

Manhatta, Avro. The Vatican’s Holocaust: The Sensational Account of the Most Horrifying Religious Massacre of the 20th Century. Springfield, MO: Ozark Books, 1986.

Phayer, Michael. The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930–1965. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2000.

Phayer, Michael. Pius XII, The Holocaust, and the Cold War. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2008.

Sherwood, Robert E. Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate Biography. New York: Harper & Brothers, 1948.

Walters, Guy. Hunting Evil: The Nazi War Criminals Who Escaped and the Quest to Bring Them to Justice. New York: Broadway Books, a division of Random House, 2009.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 1:22

In the articles I have read, Stepinac was "Archbishop." He would have presided over the archdiocese of Zagreb which is the metropolitan see of Croatia. If he had authority over other bishops in his archdiocese, they would likely have been suffragan or auxiliary bishops.

An archbishop or metropolitan, in the present sense of the term, is a bishop who governs a diocese strictly his own, while he presides at the same time over the bishops of a well-defined district composed of simple dioceses but not of provinces. Hence none of these subordinate bishops rule over others. These bishops are called the suffragans or comprovincials. The archbishop's own diocese is the archdiocese. The several dioceses of the district form the archiepiscopal, or metropolitan, province.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01691a.htm
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Suffragans would be more or less like "auxiliary bishops."

SUFFRAGAN BISHOP

A suffragan bishop is a bishop subordinate to a metropolitan bishop or diocesan bishop. They may be assigned to an area which does not have a cathedral of its own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragan_bishop
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DIOCESE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese

The Hierarchy of the Church
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/35180/how-do-the-pope-bishops-priests-relate-to-one-another-in-the-catholic-churchs
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Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac of Zagreb was, at the time of his appointment in 1934, the youngest Catholic bishop in the world. He initially received very little guidance from the Vatican and was given great leeway in how to deal with the rise of the Ustaše regime. His control over the lower bishops and clergy was not uniform. Historian of the Holocaust Martin Gilbert wrote that, "Stepinac, who in 1941 had welcomed Croat independence, subsequently condemned Croat atrocities against both Serbs and Jews, and himself saved a group of Jews in an old age home".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Usta%C5%A1e
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The only reason I can think of for Stepinac's control of the lower bishops and clergy not being uniform is lack of jusrisdictional clarity. See the following.

http://www.zg-nadbiskupija.hr/archdiocese-16380/archdiocese/zagreb-gets-an-archbishop

Susanna said...

Anonymous 1:56

I am not the one who is constantly trashing other people's religious beliefs. So "methinks" the lady ought to refrain from spitting in the air lest it land on her own nose.

Do you think that trashing the Pope and the Catholic Chruch is going to somehow prevent the light of justice from shining on Protestant collaboration with the Nazis? NOT!

Susanna said...

RayB 2:22 P.M.

Here is your post from 6:56 PM on the previous page.....along with the Serbianna link.


RayB said...

For those that are interested in finding out the truth regarding the Vatican’s role in the genocide that took place during World War II under the Catholic/Fascist Croatian government, please take the time to read this detailed analysis that appeared in the publication “Serbianna” (November 11, 2011). This detailed article contains an extensive amount of referenced material along with bibliography for further research on this important subject:

http://serbianna.com/analysis/archives/1182


6:56 PM
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Here are the footnotes AND the Bibliography.

Footnotes

1. Vladimir Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican: The Croatian Massacre of the Serbs During World War II (New York: Prometheus, 1992), p. 141. Mile Budak made this statement in a July 22, 1941 speech.

2. Ronald H. Bailey, Partisans and Guerrillas (Time-Life Books, 1978), p. 87. “A good Ustashi,” he told his men, “is he who can use his knife to cut a child from the womb of its mother.”

3. Mato Rupic, Croatian State Archives, Zagreb, Croatia.

4. John Cornwell, Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (New York: Viking, 1999), p. 258.


5. Ibid.

6. Ibid., p. 259.

7. Ibid., pp. 259-260.

8. Ibid., p. 260.

9. Ibid.

10. Ibid., p. 249.

11. Ibid., p. 251.

12. Michael Phayer, The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930–1965 (Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2000), p. 38.

13. Cornwell, p. 254.

14. Ibid., p. 256.

15. Jonathan Steinberg, “Types of Genocide? Croatians, Serbs and Jews, 1941-45”, in The Final Solution, edited by David Cesarini (London: 1996), p. 175.

16. Cornwell, p. 260. Pope Pius XII regarded the Soviet Union as the “one, real and principal enemy of Europe”.

17. Ibid., pp. 264-65. “The potential for enticing mass conversions of the ‘schismatic’ Orthodox, through their close proximity to the Catholic Eastern rite, explains Pacelli’s indulgent policy toward Pavelic and his murderous regime.”

18. Ibid., p. 266.

19. Constantin Fotich, The War We Lost: Yugoslavia’s Tragedy and the Failure of the West (New York: Viking Press, 1948), pp. 117-118.

20. Ibid., pp. 128-129.

21. Avro Manhattan, The Vatican’s Holocaust (Springfield, MO: Ozark Books), 1986, pp. 107-108.

22. Robert E. Sherwood, Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate Biography (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1948), p. 711.

23. Michael Phayer. Pius XII, The Holocaust, and the Cold War (Indianapolis: Indiana University Press), 2008, p. 220..

24. Guy Walters, Hunting Evil: The Nazi War Criminals Who Escaped and the Quest to Bring Them to Justice (New York: Broadway Books, a division of Random House, 2009), p. 122.

25. Ibid., p. 120

26. Norman J. W. Goda, “The Ustasha: Murder and Espionage”, pp. 203-226, in Richard Breitman, Norman J. W. Goda, Timothy Naftali, Robert Wolfe, U.S. Intelligence and the Nazis (Cambridge University Press, 2005), pp. 214-215.

27. Ibid.



cont.

Susanna said...

cont.

Bibliography

Cesarini, David, ed. The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation. London: Routledge, 1996.

Cornwell, John. Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII. New York: Viking, 1999.

Falconi, Carlo. The Silence of Pius XII. London: Faber, 1970.

Frattini, Eric. The Entity: Five Centuries of Secret Vatican Espionage. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 2008. Translated by Dick Cluster.

Manhattan, Avro. Terror Over Yugoslavia: The Threat to Europe. London, UK: C.A. Watts, 1953.

Manhatta, Avro. The Vatican’s Holocaust: The Sensational Account of the Most Horrifying Religious Massacre of the 20th Century. Springfield, MO: Ozark Books, 1986.

Phayer, Michael. The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930–1965. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2000.

Phayer, Michael. Pius XII, The Holocaust, and the Cold War. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2008.

Sherwood, Robert E. Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate Biography. New York: Harper & Brothers, 1948.

Walters, Guy. Hunting Evil: The Nazi War Criminals Who Escaped and the Quest to Bring Them to Justice. New York: Broadway Books, a division of Random House, 2009.


http://serbianna.com/analysis/archives/1182
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Hmmmmmm let's see. In the footnotes, Cornwell is cited 13 times out of 27. Why didn't Savich just copy Cornwell's book and sign his name to it?

In any case, if you want to keep citing Cornwell - even now that he has been forced to retract many of the claims he made and explain away the cover of his book — a photograph that appears to show Pope Pius XII leaving a large building while a member of the SS salutes — which was distorted to create a negative look ( http://www.cheshireherald.com/node/2695 )......far be it from me to rain on your parade. Knock yourself out.

Susanna said...

RayB 2:19 P.M.


Ahhhhhhh.... And then we have ex-priest Carlo Falconi's “The Silence of Pius XII “ (London: Faber, 1970).

Here is a review by trial attorney Peter S. Bradley who describes Falconi's book as "A moralizing polemic masquerading as history."

This is one of the early post-Hochhuth attacks on the legacy of Pius XII. The author, Carlo Falconi, was apparently a failed seminary student who went to work as a journalist for left wing Italian journals. He makes an early point of explaining how he was asked to write a book on Pius XII, but doesn't tell the reader who asked him or why he had any special background for such a book. He also explains that he had access to Polish and Yugoslavian sources, but, again, doesn't explain how he got that access or why the reader should particularly trust Communist sources, given the history of fabrication of documents and suppression of truth by Communism. He does acknowledge the importance of Rolf Hochhuth's The Deputy in spurring his own book, and at times it seems that the following Hochhuth's arguments and finding historical evidence in Hochhuth's fiction.
In essence this book is an extended exercise in moralizing, not history. Of course, when moralizing is the agenda, the conclusion has already been reached, namely that the subject of the moralizing is a moral failure, and it will come as no surprise to find that in each and every chapter, the reader will be clubbed over the head with the moralistic conclusion that Pius XII was Guilty!, Guilty! Guilty!

The structure of the book is set up to push the agenda of moralizing. Thus, rather than start with history, Falconi starts with setting the bar for the moral evaluation of Pius XII's actions. He sets the bar by offering superficially reasonable, but actually quite tendentious moral propositions by which he intends to evaluate Pius's actions. This is, of course, a major tell that this is a work of polemics, rather than history, because in a history the facts should come in first, neutrally and with attention paid to all perspectives, and then the facts should be evaluated, again, neutrally with attention paid to all sides. Instead, by beginning with the moral case, Falconi is drafting a legal brief, identifying the elements of the offense, and then marshalling the facts that support the conviction. That is not history, and it is surprising that this book is cited by subsequent writers as if it were a history.

Falconi begins with a nod to The Deputy as opening the eyes of the world to Pius's failings. Although why a bloated, eight hour long play by a former Hitler Youth who plays every anti-Catholic canard he learned in his Protestant upbringing, and which features a "noble SS officer" as the moral center of the play, should have had that effect is a mystery. (See my review of The Deputy.) But let's permit that mystery to slide by, except to note how certain assumptions made in The Deputy are simply planted without any effort to justify them.


http://www.amazon.com/Silence-Pius-XII-Carlo-Falconi/dp/0571091474

cont.

Susanna said...

cont.

Here is a link to Bradley's review of THE DEPUTY

THE DEPUTY

A play about an alternate reality where SS Officers are noble and the Pope is the embodiment of evil...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Deputy-Professor-Rolf-Hochhuth/dp/0801856531/ref=cm_cr_dp_asin_lnk

Anonymous said...

Susanna, you've made no solid case refuting the fact that Nazi Germany was fueled by the Vatican, as were the Ustaše, etc.

The evidence is out there despite your ostrich-like maneuvers!







Anonymous said...

It's so politically uncluttered around here recently. Let's all hope it lasts!

Anonymous said...

Susanna, you've made no solid case refuting the fact that Nazi Germany was fueled by the Vatican, as were the Ustaše, etc.

The evidence is out there despite your ostrich-like maneuvers!


You have certainly mastered the Alinsky tactic to "accuse the other side of doing what you yourself are doing" LOL.

RayB, Susanna argues with facts. She doesn't give in to bullying or bend to manipulations in order to be popular.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 4:09 P.M.

Just keep telling yourself that.....as you bury your own head in the sand.

Because your argument is not primarily with me. It is with the Jewish people and other witnesses who HAVE made a solid case in defense of Pope Pius XII and Cardinal Aloysius Stepinac. It is THEIR witness that counts with me....not some disgruntled Catholic or ex-priest who doesn't mind serving as a Communist dupe!



Anonymous said...

Anon 5:07 PM,

the spirit of Alinsky and the knack of a jesuit flows through the venomed jest of your comments: stop projecting!

Susanna said...

Anonymous 5:07P.M.

LOL Any resemblances to Alynsky are purely coincidental.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5:13 P.M.

Now you're just sucking up.

Anonymous said...

As are those of a jesuyte? Smoke and distorted mirrors in your domain of chicanery are quickly discerned for what they are: the hellish reflections of a Sun Worshipping cult bearing the initials of Isis Horus Set, and which have nothing to do with true Christianity! Loyola's Alumbrados are uncloaked as no society of Jesus but rather a society of Jesuitism: synonymous with a cabal of deceived and deceiving despots bound for the fires of Hell!

Anonymous said...

RayB,

How do the 108 Polish Martyrs fit your narrative about the Vatican and WW2? Please answer the question. Do you believe them to be a Jesuit fiction?

Anonymous said...

As are those of a jesuyte? Smoke and distorted mirrors in your domain of chicanery are quickly discerned for what they are: the hellish reflections of a Sun Worshipping cult bearing the initials of Isis Horus Set, and which have nothing to do with true Christianity! Loyola's Alumbrados are uncloaked as no society of Jesus but rather a society of Jesuitism: synonymous with a cabal of deceived and deceiving despots bound for the fires of Hell!

You are a leading contender for the Oxford Union Debate Club Golden Cup Award of 2015.

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:45 PM.

My reward is in Heaven!

Anonymous said...

Still, 5:45 PM, you need not miss out:

https://youtu.be/DENtQ6PDW3k

Anonymous said...

If Hitler had known in advance that Pius XII would not do more than protect a few thousand Jews in Rome and make one radio protest about genocide that did not even mention Jews or Nazis by name then he would have been delighted. Why didn't Pius announce publicly that for Catholics to assist in the Holocaust and the transportation of Jews to the gas chambers (things of which he was informed) was a mortal sin?

oldmanoftheski said...

Every major news outlet is now reporting that a Sharia Judge supporting ISIS has issued a Fatwa that allows for the execution of children and infants with Downs Syndrome and other disabilities. The Daily Mail, Breitbart, FOX NEWS, etc are all reporting this same story, however, do keep in mind that the ONLY source for this info is "Mosul Eye", an anonymous blogger who reportedly lives in Mosul. Although "Mosul Eye" has been accurate about other things going on in Iraq and Mosul, there is currently no confirmation or verification of this particular story. Still, it is getting major press around the world. I heard about it on Facebook via Sarah Palin, who commented, "Over my dead body!"

I've followed up by looking through the Mosul Eye Facebook page. The hundreds of comments are VERY interesting, but other Mosul Eye posts are of interest also. Thanks to Vladimir Putin, we now know that Turkey has been buying ISIS oil, thus helping to fund terrorism. We also know that ISIS has been selling sex slaves, and drugs. But this "Mosul Eye" post, for me, takes the cake:

"We were able to uncover new financing sources for ISIS, and that is the fees ISIS is collecting from those who are sentenced to die, prior to their execution and post execution. Any family has a member on a death row by ISIS must pay $1000 as a bail to release him on parole, and after the family pays the bail, ISIS executes the convicted and does not release the body until the family pays another fee, and that differs depending on the type of the charges as follows:
- A person on death row for being a police officer must pay $1000 - $2000, the cost of a gun. After the execution, the family must pay 2 million Iraqi Dinars to receive the body, and if they fail to pay, ISIS dumps the body at an unknown place.
- A person on death row convicted of spying must pay $3000 prior to his execution. the family must pay $2000 to receive his body.
- A person on death row convicted of apostasy must pay $2500 pre-execution, and family must pay $1000 to receive his body.
- A Muslim on death row for violating a "Hadd" (a restriction set by Sharia Law, which the person remain Muslim but ISIS still sentence him to death) pays $750 prior to his execution, and family pays $500 to receive his body.
- The detainees who are convicted with charges other than apostasy and spying must pay $300 registration and interrogation fees, and $250 after they are released (detention fees), and it varies depending on how long the person is detained.
- Everyone is sentenced to be lashed must pay $150 interrogation and sentence execution fees, and pays $50 detention fees for one day and registration at ISIS' Alhisba criminal records.
all those fees, in addition to confiscating all property the convicted owns or everything his first degree family owns (brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, nephews). People are forced to pay this money to receive their family bodies and to prevent more of their family members from being executed by ISIS. This has been going on for months secretly until we unveiled this matter through information we received from the victims' families.
We tried to estimate how much money ISIS has collected so far, and it is confirmed that every police officer that has offered his repentance or has been executed had paid $2000 since ISIS taken over Mosul in 2014. Also it collected them from those who were detained by ISIS and those who had left Mosul."

And for those who care about Biblical prophecy type things, Mosul is said to have been built on the ruins of ancient Nineveh. Just a coincidence I suppose. Not.

Anonymous said...

Elementary, my dear 6:24 PM. You see, anything which seriously tries to absolve Pius XII the Unpius, is merely revisionist history forged by the SMOM and that society of despots, the Jesuits!

The very evil responsible for such an evil inquisition not seen since Spain, is the very same trying to claim they were the very protectors of those murdered and tortured under that inquisition!

King James Bible Revelation 17

The Woman on the Beast

1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus;

oldmanoftheski said...

Looks like my latest comment has been placed in the spam folder again. Oh well.

Anonymous said...

Have a look at the Vatican exposure here :
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com

oldmanoftheski said...

Speaking of Hitler, most of the major media outlets are now reporting that a Sharia Judge supporting ISIS has issued a Fatwa allowing/calling for the extermination of individuals with Downs Syndrome and other intellectual and physical disabilities.

The London Evening Standard, Daily News, Washington Post, FOX News, Newsmax, Breitbart, and other media outlets have all picked up this story from a single source, "Mosul Eye", an anonymous blogger who claims to live in the worn torn Iraqi city of same name.

According to Mosul Eye, some 38 persons have already been killed by ISIS in Mosul simply for the crime of having a disability.

While there is no outside verification or confirmation of this story (yet), please note that “Mosul Eye” has accurately reported events in Iraq and the city of Mosul on previous occasions. Similar atrocities committed by ISIS also lends additional credence to the story.

Is it a coincidence that the recent attacks in San Bernardino took place at a center that serves the developmentally disabled? Me thinks not. Hitler still lives through his hate filled treatise, Mein Kampf , which remains a best seller in the Islamic world.

Anonymous said...

OMOS

That's the plan Rich's last post mentioned.

"One of the more telling documents was written by UNESCO's first director, Julian Huxley, in 1946. Read though UNESCO, Its Purpose and Its Philosophy. It contains the conscious evolution agenda (even though Huxley doesn't call it that) but it is clear they intent to control human evolution. It talks about their agenda to control every individuals career and education. Huxley talks about restricting individuals from entering politics. I believe Huxley even suggests genocide, per Huxley:

“At the moment, it is probable that the indirect effect of civilization is dysgenic instead of eugenic; and in any case it seems likely that the dead weight of genetic stupidity, physical weakness, mental instability, and disease-proneness, which already exist in the human species, will prove too great a burden for real progress to be achieved. Thus even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for Unesco to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0006/000681/068197eo.pdf

Anonymous said...

This blog could use a little levity.

http://www.diamondandsilkinc.com/videos/2015/11/9/marco-rubio-charged-10000-for-a-family-reunion-whaaatttt

http://tinyurl.com/nvpxswq

oldmanoftheski said...

Thanks to Vladimir Putin, we now know that Turkey has been buying oil from ISIS, thus directly funding terrorism. We also know that ISIS has been selling sex slaves and narcotic drugs. It would not surprise me that ISIS is also extorting families who have a disabled child. Consider the following…

As Mosul Eye reports on their Facebook page:

"We were able to uncover new financing sources for ISIS, and that is the fees ISIS is collecting from those who are sentenced to die, prior to their execution and post execution. Any family has a member on a death row by ISIS must pay $1000 as a bail to release him on parole, and after the family pays the bail, ISIS executes the convicted and does not release the body until the family pays another fee, and that differs depending on the type of the charges as follows:
- A person on death row for being a police officer must pay $1000 - $2000, the cost of a gun. After the execution, the family must pay 2 million Iraqi Dinars to receive the body, and if they fail to pay, ISIS dumps the body at an unknown place.
- A person on death row convicted of spying must pay $3000 prior to his execution. the family must pay $2000 to receive his body.
- A person on death row convicted of apostasy must pay $2500 pre-execution, and family must pay $1000 to receive his body.
- A Muslim on death row for violating a "Hadd" (a restriction set by Sharia Law, which the person remain Muslim but ISIS still sentence him to death) pays $750 prior to his execution, and family pays $500 to receive his body.
- The detainees who are convicted with charges other than apostasy and spying must pay $300 registration and interrogation fees, and $250 after they are released (detention fees), and it varies depending on how long the person is detained.
- Everyone is sentenced to be lashed must pay $150 interrogation and sentence execution fees, and pays $50 detention fees for one day and registration at ISIS' Alhisba criminal records.
all those fees, in addition to confiscating all property the convicted owns or everything his first degree family owns (brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, nephews). People are forced to pay this money to receive their family bodies and to prevent more of their family members from being executed by ISIS. This has been going on for months secretly until we unveiled this matter through information we received from the victims' families.
We tried to estimate how much money ISIS has collected so far, and it is confirmed that every police officer that has offered his repentance or has been executed had paid $2000 since ISIS taken over Mosul in 2014. Also it collected them from those who were detained by ISIS and those who had left Mosul."

Dan Bryan said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have a look at the Vatican exposure here :
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com

7:40 PM

That light show was very telling they had the Sun, Moon and Star motif in the beginning and at the end. The full moon rose and became a crescent on the dome.
So we saw a worship of the created over the house.
An eclectic mix of Eco-theology, multiculturalism and ecumenism

Thanks for sharing the link

Anonymous said...

You're welcome, Dan.

Yes, and did you notice the Ancient Babylonian alphabet that showed up on the pillars? With that, Holy Scripture and the the discernment given by the Holy Spirit it's not such a Mystery as to the identity of Rome after all!

Anonymous said...

Yes, thanks for sharing the link from Galatians 4 site. That is too eye popping and smooth words to tone that down message (explain it away) won't work.

Anonymous said...

Adding my thanks for the Fiat Lux: Illuminating Our Common Home blog post over at Galatians 4.

There's a website connected with the Vatican light show - Our Common Home ... http://ourcommonhome.world/

Scroll to the bottom of the page to see the "Coalition Partners".

Also useful for a quick oversight is the Press Kit Q&As page here - http://ourcommonhome.world/press.html

What is Fiat Lux?

Fiat Lux was conceived and imagined by the World Bank Group Connect4Climate, Paul G. Allen’s Vulcan Inc., the Li Ka Shing Foundation, Obscura and Okeanos. Working in collaboration, event partners will illuminate the façade of St. Peter’s Basilica on Dec. 8 at the opening of the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy with an unprecedented live contemporary public art video projection that will convey to a global audience images of the earth and all of its living creatures.

What do the partners hope to achieve by supporting this project?

The collaborative, global partnership aims to inspire audiences around the world through an engaging experience encouraging them to join a movement to protect our planet and its inhabitants. Through the Our Common Home campaign initiated by Vulcan Inc., audiences are encouraged to utilize the #OurCommonHome hashtag to engage in conversations across social channels as well as visit the website to learn more about the project and other ways to get involved.

~ K ~

Anonymous said...

Constance, I think my last post may be sitting in a spam folder! Maybe contained too many links?

Basically I was adding my thanks for the heads up on the Galatians 4 blog post about the Vatican light show, Fiat Lux: Illuminating Our Common Home.

A website, Our Common Home has been set up around this event. The Press Kit Q&As page makes interesting reading: http://ourcommonhome.world/press.html


What is Fiat Lux?

Fiat Lux was conceived and imagined by the World Bank Group Connect4Climate, Paul G. Allen’s Vulcan Inc., the Li Ka Shing Foundation, Obscura and Okeanos. Working in collaboration, event partners will illuminate the façade of St. Peter’s Basilica on Dec. 8 at the opening of the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy with an unprecedented live contemporary public art video projection that will convey to a global audience images of the earth and all of its living creatures.


What do the partners hope to achieve by supporting this project?

The collaborative, global partnership aims to inspire audiences around the world through an engaging experience encouraging them to join a movement to protect our planet and its inhabitants. Through the Our Common Home campaign initiated by Vulcan Inc., audiences are encouraged to utilize the #OurCommonHome hashtag to engage in conversations across social channels as well as visit the website to learn more about the project and other ways to get involved.

~ K ~

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

The European Commission's actions are becoming very disturbing as it takes action to hold together the crumbling Schengen zone.

Frontex: EU to unveil new border control agency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KqYEOhwxtU


"Brussels will this week propose to scrap the toothless and much maligned organisation, whose limitations have been exposed by the ongoing migrant crisis. In its stead will come a bona fide European Border and Coast Guard, with the power to march into a country — even against the wishes of the government — if it deems border protection there to be inadequate."

"Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission president, revealed his intention to introduce a European border and coastguard in September. But the final proposal goes further than many expected, setting the scene for a potentially brutal fight over national sovereignty between member states, the commission and the European Parliament...But extreme times demand extreme measures..."

http://tinyurl.com/n9pbsen


"The European Commission is set to unveil the plans for a centrally controlled, permanent border force and coast guard next week. The muscles will come from Brussels, with the European Commission having the final say on any future deployment of border staff and equipment across all of the EU's external borders — and potentially non-EU countries as well."

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151211/1031608102/brussels-to-replace-frontex-with-new-agency.html

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

It looks like there is a possibility of economic pressure being applied to Britain so it remains in the EU.

imf-warns-uncertainty-over-outcome-of-uks-eu-vote-could-hurt-economy-1449834537

Anonymous said...

Really: EU / E Com: it's not called the Treaty of Rome and signed in front of a statue of a certain so-called pope for nothing, you know!

Anonymous said...

EU is a mess:

http://countdowntozerotime.com/2015/12/15/videos-muslim-migrants-warn-germans-their-days-are-numbered-the-most-disturbing-muslim-refugee-videos-you-will-ever-see/

One of their own making.

Marko said...

I think the EU is ill-prepared to withstand the onslaught that is coming, both from Islam and from the Moscow-Beijing-Tehran axis. They will try to enforce a border around countries who have less in common with each other than they'd like to think, and hence the infighting and getting nothing done. They need a unified army with the guts to do what it takes to repel the invaders. I know that upsets a lot of people here to hear that, because, well, you know, the Antichrist just *has* to come out of some kind of European conglomerate, right? I'm not sold on that yet. In the meantime, the REAL enemies, based on already-occurring beheadings, etc, is winning by default, because nobody wants to call them an enemy. (Except for a few brave souls, like Geert Wilders....)

If someone here has any current, accurate numbers regarding European / EU armies, and defensive/offensive capabilities, I'd be interested in seeing them.

The Germans are suicidal, just as we are becoming. Just as the West is becoming. But I can tell you one thing... the "good doctor" Putin's medicine will be a case of "the cure is worse than the disease".

Anonymous said...

Now Merkel is admitting that multiculturalism has failed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451

Marko said...

It does concern me though, what shape the backlash will take, once it gains strength. The European backlash may be different than what happens here (if it happens here; and Trump's popularity indicates it is ready to happen). Multiculturalism's popularity rode the pendulum swing from Right to Left, and now the pendulum starts its swing back to the Right. It will be a time of war, upheaval, chaos. There's a book that I haven't read but it's on my reading list (like about 50 others haha) called "The Fourth Turning". The title sounds really New Agey, but I don't think it is, from what I've heard about it so far. It needs further investigating.

Anyway, in regards to the direction the backlash will take, the far right could go back to older roots and align itself with Fasism/Nazism (aren't there a lot of New Right parties in Europe springing up now?), or it can find something else to root itself to. It should be the old Christian West that Europe once embraced before the Enlightenment came along. Sadly, Putin *seems* to have co-opted that as the moral underpinnings for his crusade.

Nothing seems certain anymore. That's why it's important to cling to Jesus Christ as your only TRUE hope in the days ahead. He and His Father are unchanging, and True.

Susanna said...

Marko 8:49 A.M.

Re: It should be the old Christian West that Europe once embraced before the Enlightenment came along. Sadly, Putin *seems* to have co-opted that as the moral underpinnings for his crusade.

Russian Orthodox Church lends weight to Putin patriotism

By Vitaly Shevchenko BBC Monitoring


21 August 2015

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33982267
__________________________________________________________________

Anonymous said...

Marko wrote: "I know that upsets a lot of people here to hear that, because, well, you know, the Antichrist just *has* to come out of some kind of European conglomerate, right? I'm not sold on that yet."

The Little Horn rising out of the Roman Empire area, you mean?

The Little Horn is Antichrist

The little horn power of Daniel 7 is the first mention in the Bible of this end time antichrist power, so it's a good place to start for our study on who the Bible antichrist is. This little horn power in Daniel fits perfectly to the Papal church of Rome, the Roman Catholic Church. And we will show you from the Bible description of this little horn antichrist and the history of the Roman Catholic Church, how they fit perfectly together.

To see where this antichrist little horn power came from, we first need to take a quick look at the four beasts in the prophecies of Daniel 7, as the antichrist little horn came from one of these beasts. Now in Bible prophecy, a beast is a symbol for a kingdom, as we can see from the Bible verses below:

Daniel 7:17 .....'These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.'

Daniel 7:23 .....'Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth.'

It is accepted by pretty much all Bible prophecy teachers that these four beasts are four kingdoms. The only difference arises as to WHO these four beasts are. Many teachers place these four beasts into our day today and totally ignore the past 3000 years of history. So who are the four beasts of Daniel 7 that this antichrist little horn comes from? Let's take a quick look:

Four Beasts of Daniel 7

Have another read of the Bible verse above in Daniel 7:23. It says that the fourth beast will be the fourth kingdom on the earth. What kingdom was the ruling power in Daniel's day? Babylon. So if Babylon is the current ruling kingdom on earth when Daniel receives the vision, then logic tells us that the fourth beast would be the fourth ruling kingdom from Babylon. Also take a note of this following Bible verse:

Daniel 7:2-3 .....'Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.'

Wind in Bible prophecy is a symbol for war and strife. Water is a symbol for peoples / nations (see Rev. 17:15). So these beasts (kingdoms) rose to power from wars and conflicts between nations. Now we can easily identify these kingdoms if we just look at what nations came to power after Babylon. Babylon is the first, as it was the ruling kingdom in Daniel's day, so we need to find out the other three. Let's look at the beasts:

Anonymous said...

The Lion (Daniel 7:4) - This is Babylon, the first kingdom which was the ruling power in Daniel's day. History depicts Babylon as the greatest nation, which fits the "Lion", which is the greatest beast. In Ezekiel, you will see Babylon being described as a "great eagle, with great wings". God gave Babylon it's great power, but Nebuchadnezzar exalted himself and God took the power away from Babylon, depicted with the wings being "plucked off". The next kingdom is ready to take control:

The Bear (Daniel 7:5) - This is Medo Persia. You will see from the Bible verse that this beast was raised up on one side. History tells us that Medo Persia was two kingdoms rolled into one, with Persia being the stronger side, hence the bear being raised up on one side. The bear also has three ribs in it's mouth, a symbol of it devouring something. And history tells us that Medo Persia "devoured" the three kingdoms of Lydia, Egypt and Babylon to gain control.

The Leopard (Daniel 7:6) - This is Greece. This is an interesting choice of animal, because a leopard has great speed, plus it also has four wings. Now history tells us that Alexander the Great conquered the world as it was then and overcame Medo Persia as the ruling power with great speed, hence the leopard with 4 wings. From the Bible verse you will see this beast also has four heads. These four heads represent 4 kings that would control this nation. History confirms that greece split into four divisions, with 4 generals leading it, after the death of Alexander.

The Terrible Beast (Daniel 7:7) - This is Rome. Daniel sees such a terrible beast/kingdom, that he cannot describe it, only as "dreadful and terrible". This certainly fits Rome, as Rome was a "terrible" kingdom in the way it treated people. This beast also has iron teeth, which matches Rome as being the "Iron" nation. This beast also has ten horns, and history confirms that Rome split into the ten nations of Europe when it fell in 476AD. It is also described as being "diverse" (different) from the other kingdoms. Now we all know what happened to Rome when Roman Emperor Constantine moved to constantinople, which is in modern day Turkey. He handed civil power over to the Catholic Bishop of Rome, therefore making Rome a religio-political kingdom.

So these are the four beasts, representing the four kingdoms from Babylon. Now the antichrist little horn comes up out of the fourth beast, which is Rome and we will now focus on identifying the little horn power.

Who is the Little Horn Power?

From studying the beasts above, we learned that the ten horns of the fourth beast represented the ten kingdoms of Europe. Therefore this little horn must also be a "kingdom". And what is the first identifying feature of this little horn? It's LITTLE !! Does this fit the Roman Catholic Church? Yes, because the Vatican state is it's own country. It's the smallest kingdom there is! Let's see what else Daniel says about this antichrist little horn power:

Anonymous said...

Daniel 7:8,21,25 .....'I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.'

Little horn comes up among other horns - Well, the first thing we notice, apart from this horn (kingdom) being little, is the fact that it came up "among" the other ten horns. What does this mean? It means that this little kingdom came up among the ten nations of Europe, after the kingdom of Rome fell. Did the Roman Catholic Church come up among the nations of Europe? Yes, the vatican is based in Rome itself, and gained control of civil powers in 538AD after the fall of the Roman Empire.

Speaking of the time, about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was crumbling to pieces:] "No, the [Catholic] Church will not descend into the tomb. It will survive the Empire . . . At length a second empire will arise, and of this empire the Pope will be the master--more than this, he will be the master of Europe. He will dictate his orders to kings who will obey them." -- (Andrea Lagarde, The Latin Church in the Middle Ages, 1915, p. vi)

Little horn plucks up 3 horns - Next we notice that the antichrist little horn plucks up three of the other horns, which means this little horn kingdom destroyed three of the ten kingdoms of Europe. Did the Roman Catholic Church do this? Yes, history confirms that after she rose to power, the Roman Catholic Church, through the Roman army, caused the total destruction of the 'Heruli', the 'Vandals', and the 'Ostrogoths'. Why? Because these three kingdoms would not accept the "authority" of the Roman Catholic Church.

Little horn has eyes like a man and speaks against God - What could the "eyes like a man" mean, concerning the antichrist little horn? Well, it could point to the fact that this little horn kingdom would have a very prominent figure (person) at the head of it. This fits with the Pope of the Catholic Church. Daniel also confirms that the little horn power speaks great things "AGAINST" the Most High, Creator God. Just take a look at a few quotes below that come from the Roman Catholic Church:

"The pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted, that he is not a mere man, but as it were God." (Ferraris Ecclesiastical Dictionary)

"To believe that our Lord GOD the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." (The Gloss Extravagantes o.f Pope John XXII Cum inter, Tit. XIV, Cap. IV. Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, Cities Petrus Bertanous)

Anonymous said...

The Papal Church of Rome certainly quote great pompous words against our Heavenly Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour. No man on earth is equal to any angel, let alone Christ Jesus. These blasphemous words are nothing but evil. If you would like see more astonishing quotes from the Catholic Church, please download the file fromCatholic Church Quotes

Little horn makes war with the saints - Continuing to identify this antichrist little horn power, we see that Daniel confirms this little horn makes war with the saints and wears them out. Now it is a well known historical fact that the Roman Catholic Church, during the dark ages persecuted and murdered tens of millions of Christians who chose to obey God, rather than the Roman Catholic Pope. It is stated that the Papal Church of Rome has shed more blood than any other institution that has ever existed. The Catholic Church even had people murdered for just owning a Bible!!

"From the birth of popery to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors,--an average of more than 40,000 religious murders for every year of the existence of popery to the present day. Of course the average number of victims yearly, was vastly greater, during those gloomy ages when popery was in her glory and reigned despot of the world; and it has been much less since the power of the popes has diminished to tyrannize over the nations, and to compel the princes of the earth, by the terrors of excommunication, interdiction, and deposition, to butcher their heretical subjects." (John Dowling, The History of Romanism, pp. 541-542)

The leaders of this antichrist church have certainly got a lot to answer for!



The Antichrist Has Been Revealed!!



666 equals LATEINOS in Greek!!

In the New Covenant Book of Revelation, Saint John told us to calculate the number of the Beast:

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. Let those who have insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. (Revelation 13:16-18).

In the Old Covenant Book of Esther, Haman–the great enemy of the Jews–was associated with the number 13. Haman symbolizes the Papal dynasty, so the 2 numbers of the Papacy are 666 and 13.

The New Covenant was written in Koine or COMMON Greek–the universal language of the world during the earthly ministry of Christ.

Greek died out in Western Europe around 500 A.D. (except in Hibernia), where Saint Patrickintroduced the New Covenant and the Greek language to that nation.

Joshua so highly favored the Greek language that He calls himself Alpha and Omega 4 times:

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord (JOSHUA), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:18).

The Greeks, like the Romans, did not have Indian numerals like 1,2,3,4; so each letter of the Greek alphabet represented a number. Alpha was 1, beta was 2, etc., etc. It is totally useless to try and calculate the number of the Beast in any other language but Greek:

(KOINE Greek Alphabet with Corresponding Numbers in link)

http://tinyurl.com/q4bp44r

Anonymous said...

The Beast's name is LATEINOS in Greek.

King Latinus was the father of the Latin race.





Lateinos



King Latinus was the founder of the Latin kingdom.

King Latinus was the founder of the Latin race

Lateinos is the oldest and most common interpretation of the number of the Beast. Lateinos signifies Latin MAN or Latin kingdom, and is also the name of the king who founded the Latin state, namely King Latinus.

The oldest writings that survived the last great pagan persecution is that of Saint Irenaeus who lived from about 120 to 200 A.D....Saint Irenaeus is most famous for his prediction that the world would last for 6000 years....Saint Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the Apostle John, who wrote the Book of Revelation:

For if there are many names found possessing this number, it will be asked which among them shall the coming man bear. It is not through a want of names containing the number of that name that I say this, but on account of the fear of God, and zeal for the truth: for the name Evanthas contains the required number, but I make no allegation regarding it. Then also Lateinos has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the LATINS are they who at present bear rule: I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence].Teitan too, the first syllable being written with the two Greek vowels e and i, among all the names which are found among us, is rather worthy of credit. For it has in itself the predicted number, and is composed of six letters, each syllable containing three letters; and [the word itself] is ancient, and removed from ordinary use; for among our kings we find none bearing this name Titan, nor have any of the idols which are worshipped in public among the Greeks and barbarians this appellation. Among many persons, too, this name is accounted divine, so that even the sun is termed Titan by those who do now possess [the rule]. (Saint Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, ch. 29).

Saint Irenaeus mentioned 3 names: Evanthas, Lateinos, and Teitan or Titan. The meaning of Evanthas is obscure, but Lateinos is the code word for the Romans:

Virgil was a Roman poet and very familiar with the history of the Latin race. He traces the founding of Rome to King Latinus.


Roman poet Virgil
(70 BC–21 BC ).



Roman poet Publius Vergilius Maro, also known as Virgil, is very well known in the United States because his Latin poetry is on the back of the 1 dollar "paper money" bill.



ANNUIT COEPTIS: "He has favored our undertaking."

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM: "A new order has begun."


The Aeneid book cover.

According to Virgil, King Latinus was an historical character and founder of the Latin race. The Bible says that the number of the Beast is the number of a MAN.

King Latinus, now grown old, had ruled his settled towns
And countryside through years of peace. Tradition
Makes him a son of Faunus by a nymph,
Marica of the Laurentines. The father
Of Faunus had been Picus, who in turn
Claimed you for sire, old Saturn, making you
The founder of the dynasty.
By fate Latinus had no son or male descendant,
Death having taken one in early youth.
A single daughter held that house's hopes,
A girl now ripe for marriage, for a man. (The Aeneid, Book VII).



Wars and a man I sing–an exile driven on by Fate,
he was the first to flee the coast of Troy,
destined to reach Lavinian shores and Italian soil,
yet many blows he took on land and sea from the gods above–
thanks to cruel Juno's relentless rage—and many losses
he bore in battle too,
before he could found a city,
bring his gods to Latium,
source of the Latin race,
the Alban lords and the high walls of Rome. (The Aeneid Book I).

Vatican City State is the ONLY country in the world where Latin is still the official language....Latin is a dead language in the rest of Italy and was replaced by Italian over 600 years ago.

Anonymous said...

To check how LATEINOS adds up to 666 using the Greek alphabet, see the link below :

http://tinyurl.com/http-www-antipas-org-images

Anonymous said...

Antichrist to be revealed first before the Second Coming of Christ!

In one of the greatest and PLAINEST of the great prophecies of the Bible, St. Paul predicted that 2 things must happen FIRST before the 2nd Coming of Christ and the end of the world:

1.

A falling away or apostasy from Apostolic Christianity.

2.

The Antichrist or Man of Sin to be revealed.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of Joshua the Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth (restrains) that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let (restrain), until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.(II Thessalonians 2:1-12).

One of the main characteristics of this falling away or apostasy was the prohibition of marriage:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (I Timothy 4:1-3).

Up to Vatican Council II in 1962, meat was forbidden on Fridays.

The Emperors at Rome were hindering the coming of Antichrist!!

Saint Paul referred obscurely to something mysterious that was hindering or restraining evil and holding back the revelation of the Man of Sin.

The removal of the capital of the Roman Empire by Constantine in 330 A.D., greatly facilitated the coming of Antichrist. That "Eternal Rome" would allow a rival capital city to exist is truly remarkable.

The Emperors were persecuting Christians, but their presence in Rome hindered the rise of the Papacy. Christians prayed for the Emperors, and the stability of the Empire, but they never dreamed of creating another rival capital.

Beginning from his home in Britannia, Constantine conquered Gaul and northern Italy; then he laid siege to Rome. Emperor Maxentius was drowned in the Tiber and Constantine entered Rome on October 29, 312.


The Battle of Milvian Bridge
outside Rome in 312 AD.


Roman Emperor Maxentius was drowned during the Battle of Milvian Bridge on October 28, 212.

Constantine then built a new capital at Constantiniple and the bishop of Rome assumed the purple and the title: ponifex maximus.

This was the removal of the let or hindrance to the coming of Antichrist.

Emperor Maxentius
(278–312).

The Papal Roman Empire was born in January 313, when the Roman Senate recognized the roughneck Roman soldier Constantine as the first "Christian" Emperor. Constantine melted down all the gold from the pagan temples, and he used that money to bribe the Roman Senate into moving to his new capital of Constantinople.


Emperor Constantine.
Emperor from 306–337.



Emperor Constantine's removal of the capital from the imperial city left the bishop of Rome free to vault into the seat of the Caesars.

Constantinople became the new capital
of the Roman Empire.

After the removal of the capital, the Greeks continued to call themselves ROMANS (Gk. Romaioi), while the people in the western part of the Empire became known as LATINS.

Anonymous said...

What is the year of mercy thing? Is it we won't whack you 'this year' for not believing in global warming and scarcity of resources because you are 'poor' stupid idiots? But then next year......what next year???? The year of judgement??

Marko said...

Susanna,

It looks more and more like what is coming out of Russia is some kind of theocratic, authoritarian, but not quite totalitarian empire that has taken Christianity and mixed in some of Aleksandr Dugin's "religion". Everything outside of this new Russian "orthodoxy" will be seen as cults, etc. to be gotten rid of.

Another article from Brietbart:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/14/world-view-russian-duma-goes-after-protestant-churches-as-sects-and-cults/

Russia seems to have abandoned the Atheistic Communists label, but what they are becoming may be far worse?

Anonymous said...

http://alt-market.com/articles/2764-ecological-panic-the-new-rationale-for-globalist-cultism



http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

Anonymous said...

When the bishop of Rome assumed the purple, he also assumed the title PONTIFEX MAXIMUS, which was the official title of the Caesars as head of the pagan Roman religion.

Pagan Rome persecuting the saints was no mystery to Saint John, but here a professing "Christian" bishop, as head of the pagan Roman religion, was a MYSTERY and a WONDER indeed:

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns (Revelation 17: 6-7).

This great prophecy . . . and its fulfillment . . . is so CLEAR that even a BLIND man could see it!

An edict of Roman Emperor Theodosius linked Saint Peter with Rome!!

Emperor Theodosius, with the help of bishop Ambrose of Milan, laid the groundwork for the 2 main Latin Church heresies:

1.The Primacy of St. Peter.2.The civil power or government is subservient to the Latin Popes and their clergy.

St. Paul mentioned that the Mystery of Iniquity linking St. Peter with Rome was working even during his lifetime....However, this heresy wassub rosa or covert and did not manifest until the predicted time—after the removal of the capital to Constantinople.


Emperor Theodosius I (347–395).
Emperor from 378 to 392.



Emperor Theodosius I was a roughneck Roman soldier from Spain.

Pope Damasus I (the first Pope to be called Pontifex Maximus) was also from Spain.




Pope Damasus I (305–384).
Pope from 366 to 384.

In 380, Theodosius issued an edict that everybody in the Empire MUST believe that Pope Damasus was the successor of St. Peter.

Very soon after becoming Emperor, Theodosius issued a decree that everybody in the Empire MUST believe that Pope Damasus was the successor of St. Peter:

On January 19, 379, the emperor Gratian raised Theodosius to the rank of emperor and gave him charge of the eastern half of the empire. Theodosius was a general from Spain and a convinced partisan of Nicene orthodoxy. He did not wait long to show his colors. On February 28, 380, Theodosius issued an edict saying that anyone who did not follow the faith of Pope Damasus of Rome and Peter of Alexandria was a heretic. (The Church of the Ancient Councils, p. 104).

Here is a copy of that edict :

It is our desire that all the various nations which are subject to our Clemency and Moderation, should continue in the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter, as it hath been preserved by faithful tradition; and which is now professed by the Pontiff Damasus and by Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, a man of apostolic holiness. According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe the one deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgement, they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics, and shall not presume to give to their conventicles the name of churches.They will suffer in the first place the chastisement of the divine condemnation, and in the second the punishment which our authority, in accordance with the will of Heaven, shall decide to inflict. (Theodosian Code, Book XVI, The Catholic Faith).

Anonymous said...

In 381, Theodosius presided over the Council of Constantinople. The 150 bishops in attendance refused to acknowledge his Peter in Rome edict and ruled that Old Rome had precedence only because it was the imperial city:

As for the bishop of Constantinople, let him have the prerogatives of honor after the bishop of Rome, seeing that this city is the new Rome. (Council of Constantinople).

What could a roughneck Roman soldier like Theodosius possibly know about the Bible and theology?....The ONLY thing that Pope Damasus had in common with Saint Peter was that Saint Peter–as the Apostle to the Circumcision (Jews)–definitely wore a BEARD.This persecuting edict was a harbinger of the dreaded Spanish Inquisition.

In 388, Theodosius invaded Italy to get rid of a rival Emperor named Magnus Maximus .After defeating his rival, Theodosius ruled the Empire from Milan, and it was there that he met his spiritual adviser: Ambrose, bishop of Milan:

It was now that Theodosius made the acquaintance of bishop Ambrose of Milan; and thus began a complex, turbulent, but also deeply personal relationship between the two men, that was to have profoundly important consequences. During the brief war, Ambrose had been in no danger, for the ultra-pious Catholic Maximus would hardly have harmed the bishop of his capital, but the fact that he did not flee enhanced his prestige. Indeed, he himself considered his moral authority to be second to none. He saw himself as answerable only to God, and thus his duty was to dictate to the conscience–hence the religious policy–of the emperor, by whatever means served this high end. (Theodosius, The Empire at Bay, p. 64).

Ambrose, bishop of Milan, was a powerful and influential teacher of the Latin Church.

Ambrose, bishop of Milan (337–397). Bishop of Milan from 374 to 397.

Ambrose, bishop of Milan, was a powerful and influential teacher of the Latin Church.

in 390, Theodosius gave the order for a horrible massacre in the city of Salonica.

Ambrose threatened him with excommunication, and as a result, he had to do penance and grovel at the feet of the bishop.

Emperor Theodosius doing obeisance before bishop Ambrose.

In the year 390, a star charioteer was arrested for the crime of homosexual rape. This took him out of the race, and as a result, the people rioted and many were killed. Theodosius's answer was to send in his soldiers, and about 7,000 people were massacred:

Not surprisingly the immediate reaction of Theodosius was of volcanic anger; but this time, unlike Antioch, in his choler he threw aside any inquiry or trial, and immediately sent secret orders to the new Gothic garrison at Salonica for a terrible, salutary bloodletting of the rebellious rabble.Accordingly, on a certain day when the people once again thronged excitedly into the hippodrome for the races, at a signal the gates were barred. Without pity, deaf to the screams and entreaties of the people (or even enflamed by them) the troops proceeded for several hours to butcher the spectators indiscriminately. According to Theoderet 7,000 people of both sexes and all ages were slaughtered. Whatever the numbers, no Roman city had experienced anything like this in living memory: it was something only brutal conquerors did to captured enemy cities, and it put the emperor's Gothic troops in exactly that light. The moral shock throughout the empire was, if anything, accentuated by the general reputation Theodosius had for mercy and humanity.(Theodosius, The Empire at Bay, p. 68).

Anonymous said...

Ambrose threatened him with excommunication . . . and guilt ridden . . . he did obeisance at the feet of the bishop:

Ambrose had a shrewd psychological knowledge of Theodosius, and his performance was subtle and masterly, unlike his earlier bludgeon tactics from the pulpit. Theodosius was tormented not just by moral guilt, but by a very real fear of eternal damnation. Thus it was that an astonished people beheld an extraordinary spectacle as the Ever-Victorious, Sacred Eternal Augustus, Lord of the World put aside his gorgeous imperial regalia, and for several months wept and groaned as a humble, prostrate penitent in the cathedral of Milan. It was all the more extraordinary in its stark, public contrast between the despotic and universal power of the emperor, and the grovelling abasement of that same power before the priests. (Theodosius, The Empire at Bay, p. 69).

Under instructions from Ambrose, Theodosius closed the pagan Olympic Games and the Altar of Victory was removed from the Senate at Rome.

There were many firsts with Theodosius: He was the first to issue a Peter in Rome edict; the first to be threatened with excommunication, and the first to perform public penance before a member of the Latin clergy.

Emperor Theodosius II codified the Roman laws

Emperor Theodosius II codified all the Roman laws going back to the time of Emperor Constantine.

Emperor Theodosius II (401– 450).
Emperor from 408 to 450.

In 438, Emperor Theodosius II codified all the Roman laws from the time of Constantine.

The persecuting edict of Theodosius I was included in his Theodosian Code, Book XVI.

This was during the reign of Pope Sixtus III.
Pope from 432 to 440.

According to the Book of Revelation, Antichrist's supremacy was to last for 1260 years.

Antichrist's supremacy was to last 1260 years!!

Saint John mentions a mysterious period of 1260 days when the Antichrist would make war with the saints and overcome them:

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7).And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore (1260) days, clothed in sackcloth. (Revelation 11:3).

All the Reformers applied this period to the time of Papal supremacy, using the day equals a year principle found throughout the Holy Bible:

And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcasses be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which you searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years. (Numbers 14:33-34).

The famous prophecy of the 70 Weeks (490 years) from Cyrus to Christ are determined by this same day equals a year principle:

Seventy weeks (490 years) are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (Daniel 9:24).

The Papacy was a gradual development....It began with the change of cities from Rome to Constantinople, and it became a temporal power with the overthrow of the Vandals and Ostrogoths by general Belisarius, and the Lombards by King Pepin.

The 4 great prophetic time periods

Beginning/... Years /....Ending

A be)313 A yr)1260 A end)1573

B be)533 B yr)1260 B end)1793

C be)606 C yr)1260 C end)1866

D be)755 D yr)1260 D end)2015

This table shows the approximate dates of the rise and reign, decline and fall of the Papal Roman Empire.

Susanna said...

Marko, 12:20 P.M.

RE:Russia seems to have abandoned the Atheistic Communists label, but what they are becoming may be far worse?

Possibly......while using Russian Orthodoxy as a front. Recall that the branch of Russian Orthodoxy that has proved to be sinister in the past is the Stalin - approved Moscow Patriarchate.

The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR)which had separated from the Moscow Patriarchate in 1927, officially signed the Act of Canonical Communion with the Moscow Patriarchate on May 17, 2007, restoring the canonical link between the churches.

RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia
______________________________________________________________________

ACT OF CANONICAL COMMUNION WITH THE MOSCOW PATRIARCHATE

Some opponents of the Act, who have left ROCOR, claim that the reconciliation of the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia was the result of an intelligence operation of the Russian FSB,(successor to the KGB) designed to dispatch hundreds of priests who will create "new spy nests all over the world, absolutely untouchable, working under the cover of the church."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Canonical_Communion_with_the_Moscow_Patriarchate
______________________________________________________________________

KONSTANTIN PREOBRAZHENSKY

Konstantin Georgiyevich Preobrazhenskiy (Russian: Константин Георгиевич Преображенский; born in 1953 in Moscow) is a former KGB lieutenant colonel, an intelligence expert and the author of several books and numerous articles about Russian secret police organizations.

He is known for his publications about KGB operations in Japan, recruitment of Russian emigrants by Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, and infiltration of Russian Orthodox Church by the KGB/Federal Security Service (FSB).....

.....In 1991 Preobrazhenskiy left the KGB and started authoring books and articles about Russian state security services and on various political subjects. In 1993-2002 he worked as a columnist for the Moscow Times newspaper.

He fled to the United States in January 2003, after several episodes of harassment by Russian state security services. He was granted political asylum in March 2006.

He is a regular speaker on the Voice of America and was a lecturer at Columbia, Georgetown and Johns Hopkins Universities. He was an invited speaker at The Intelligence Summit. His last book is "KGB/FSB's New Trojan Horse: Americans of Russian Descent".......

......He had numerous meetings with former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko and commented on his assassination:
I have no hesitation to say that he was murdered by Vladimir Putin, who considered him to be his personal enemy. Putin is very vulnerable to criticism. He has the inferiority complex. And Litvinenko knew a lot about Putin, about his drawbacks, about his connections with some political forces which are not disclosed even now, because Litvinenko knew Putin personally. And Putin was the person who dismissed Litvinenko from the FSB......


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Preobrazhensky
______________________________________________________________________

DUGIN'S EVIL THEOLOGY

...It would be our contention that Dugin’s fusion of Traditionalism and Eurasianism has become a “gnostic mass movement” of the third type, “activist mysticism.” It is not an exaggeration to state that Dugin’s intended goal, his telos, is the End of the World, and that the accomplishment of that end is dependent, he believes, on the implementation of his ideology...read more...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380614/dugins-evil-theology-robert-zubrin

Richard said...

Dan Bryan,

You wrote "'The Hook' that is dragging Russia to the table is as I expressed. They tried to negotiate with Israel for the rights to these reserves and Israel refused them. Russia intends to take them."

Please, could you give us a source for this negotiation news?

There is a man named Avi Lipkin who believes Turkey, not Russia, and the Turkic Muslim nations north and northeast of Israel will come down for the invasion.



Cheers

Dan Bryan said...


Richard,

Putin/Netanyahu negotiations

I am sorry I did not create a PDF of this, but here it is if you want to give some coin?

TinyURL.com/nh3kqnl

Additional Here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3341399/posts

Israeli gas could benefit EU, but won’t eliminate dependence on Russia, experts say
Global supply of gas could increase if/did? US lifts restrictions on gas exports
http://tinyurl.com/py3vsmn

How long can Russia maintain its sanctions against Turkey?
Russia may have to find common ground with Turkey.
http://tinyurl.com/qgnt2fm

Anonymous said...

Susanna,
Guenon is one who is greatly appreciated by the Freemasons.

Oldmanoftheski,
ISIS looks to much like an invention of Madison Avenue with their slick videos, very sophisticated marketing campaign, fancy weapons, and Toyota jeeps, a very brutal invention I might add. Remember, our Ambassador Stevens was not at a consulate in Libya, as we have been led to believe. It was a weapons warehouse, and Al Qeda types were being armed and equipped to fight Assad. Every time we take out one of these dictators, the US has created absolute chaos, but I think that's the point.

You can't believe that our intelligence services are stupid enough to think that democracy works in Muslim police states. Our ME and N.Africa strategy seems to be more about redrawing the map of the region, perhaps with the goal of global government. All of the people who became our enemies once worked with CIA, that includes Bin Laden, Sadam and Qaddafi. US, and the EU, especially Britain, have played with this idea of playing one group against another for decades, Sunni against Shiite mainly.

The social media, like Facebook and Twitter, looks like another brilliant invention of CIA. Mark Zuckerberg has become filthy rich on something that produces nothing tangible. It's one of the more sophisticated tracking mechanisms, which now is mandatory for commenting on news articles. For the younger generation it is an amazing propaganda tool.

There is nothing new about governments trying to manipulate populations to create revolutions or political movements. This tactic has been used for a long time, but with the social media, they have gotten it down to a science.

It looks like we are looking at an Order out of Chaos strategy in the Middle East, with many being displaced or killed in the process. This is also part of the strategy to diminish the population.

Then you have the evil of Common Core type curriculums to bring insanity into our country too and stoke wars of religion on US soil:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/18/us/virginia-school-shut-islam-homework/index.html

This is part of the script too.



Anonymous said...

more on microchips

http://drleonardcoldwell.com/tag/thought-control/?print=pdf-search

Susanna said...

Anonymous 10:56 P.M.

Most of my sources indicate that Guenon was a Freemason.

First and foremost, Rene Guenon was an occultist.

As a young man he moved to Paris to take up studies in mathematics at the College Rollin. However, his energies were soon diverted from academic studies and in 1905 he abandoned his formal higher education studies. Guénon submerged himself in certain currents of French occultism and became a leading member in several secret organizations such as theosophical, spiritualistic, masonic, and “gnostic” societies. In June, 1909 Guénon founded the occultist journal La Gnose. It lasted a little over two years and carried most of Guénon’s writings from this period.

He was not only a disciple of Papus, (née Gerard Encausee, who, in turn, was a disciple of Eliphas Levi and one of the leading "Luciferians" of the XIX century), but he (Guenon) was also a Mason who wrote under a pseudonym in anti-masonic magazines - in what has been described as disinformation. Guenon functioned as a "bishop" ( "Tau Palingenius") in the Alexandrian branch of the gnostic "church founded by Jules Doinel, who was involved in the infamous Taxil Hoax which pretended to "expose" the Satanism practiced in secret by the masonic lodge. It was intended to mock not only Freemasonry but also the Roman Catholic Church's opposition to it. According to one version of the hoax history, Albert Pike had a telephone that provided him with a direct hookup to satan himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

Like Papus, Guenon had a squabble with theosophy, but this was more a matter of "demonological differences" among factions of Luciferianism than anything else. Guenon thought he was a more "cultured" Luciferian than they were.

Guenon's "conversion" to Islam was not to "orthodox" Islam but to the highly occult Sufic order of Shadhilites. Sufism is basically magical and occultic Islam, so he really remained as much of an occultist as ever. He "converted" after he found out he would not be successful in infiltrating Christianity ( especially Roman Catholicism ) with occultism as he wished - especially during his affiliation with the famous Catholic philosopher Jacques Maritain who could not support Guenon's heretical views ( which focused on the Hindu Vedanta ), so Guenon moved from France. Guenon's "conversion" was also his way of living out his Perennialist belief that "one religion was as good as another" in terms of each religion esoterically (inwardly and secretly) embodying the same "primordial revelation" even if they exoterically (outwardly and publicly) contradicted one another.

Guénon founded his own Freemasonic lodge in Paris called La Grande triade ("The Great Triad") after the name of the book he published in 1946, four years before he died. Guénon's Great Triad wasn't the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit", but 'Heaven, Earth, Man'. That should be more than enough to enable us to know that in terms of whatever form of "Christianity" Guenon may have professed, we're not on the same team.

https://arcaneknowledgeofthedeep.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/guenongreattriad.pdf

oldmanoftheski said...

Anon 10:56,

Certainly the powers that be in Washington thought arming the enemies of Assad was a good idea, and some may have thought that creating a counter balance to Shia Iran was worth the risk. However, the ISIS beast is not simply some Madison Avenue creation. It reflects Islam at it's most basic, cruel, and evil. Have you noticed the positive press the House of Saud is getting lately? Coincidence? The Saudis are trying to look moderate, eh? Yet it is Saudi Wahabbism at its most primitive that ISIS reveals. They may have had some help from Washington to get going, but ISIS is no longer under human control.

Fred S. said...

Is that Mosque related to Subud?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSrxzlhrsTU

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