Many of you regularly listen to my internet radio program on TMERadio.com. It is also known as TheMicroEffect.com. The program has been a tremendous bully pulpit for me for the past eight years since April 2007 when Joe McNeill, the network owner, first offered me a program of my own. Previous to that, I had been interviewed by some of his other then hosts.
Joe runs an amazing operation in Kamiah, Idaho. He has made brilliant use of "recycled" computers combined with other technology that is "beyond my pay grade" to reach an international audience. I have had people call in to my program from as far away as New Zealand. I have used the program to lay out detailed expository information that I have not yet had time to reduce to the printed page. I have also used it to share critical information on what is currently transpiring in the New Age Movement as well as overlooked history accessible to me through my private library, but not readily sitting on most conventional public library shelves.
For the last four years or so, I have done the program for two hours each and every Saturday morning. Occasionally I have used guest hosts including the late Dr. Stanley Momteith, John Loeffler, and Sarah Leslie.
There are many other hosts on Joe's network from which my own world views radically diverge. Joe McNeill tells me that he believes in "Freedom of Speech" and he believes that listeners can do their own research and sort it out for themselves. But at any rate, Joe gave me a platform when many who professed to be cult experts tried to muzzle me. You might want to review my past articles on "The Hi-Jacking of Evangelicalism," both here and on NEWSWITHVIEWS.COM.
TMERadio is revamping its studios and equipment. New broadband lines are scheduled for installation and the provider has notified Joe that it will take two weeks to properly install and test the equipment. Therefore, we will be off the air for the next two Saturdays. I had a guest scheduled for this coming Saturday, David Livingstone. I have interviewed him successfully in the past about his own extensive research and writing on the New Age Movement and its impact. He has now written a brilliant new book on TRANSHUMANISM. He sent me a .pdf review copy that I am still reading, but the depth and breadth of his research amazes me, just as Lee Penn and Cliff Kincaid's work never cease to humble me.
I'm still working on Part 3 of my series on General Paul E. Vallely and military New Age and Satanism with possible tentacles reaching into the Tea Party Movement. I've also been doing extensive research lately on the obvious continuation of the 1970's Weathermen Movement, a violent branch of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society).
I did my radio program last Saturday on that, reviewing a book long in my library on DIANA: THE MAKING OF A TERRORIST (Thomas Powers, Houghton Mifflin Publishers, 1971.) My particular copy was purchased several years ago at a Baldwin (Birmingham, Michigan) Public Library used book sale. It was discontinued by the library for reasons I do now understand.
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| DIANA: THE MAKING OF A TERRORIST book covers. |
The school Diana and Bill Ayers ran in Ann Arbor, Michigan, it developed, never taught a single one of its many students to read. That was discovered when third grade children started begging their parents to teach them to read. Diana's radicalisation then went on to more violent manifestations, including a belief that they were making war on all USA citizens.
Many believe this to have been a Marxist operation. There was Marxist indoctrination and ideology there. But, there were even heavier New Age aspects, including free love, sexual experimentation, "smash monogamy", group sex, "free love" and beyond. LSD, drugs, and the like were heavily employed by those in the Weatherman operation. There was extreme violence by this group that included bombings of several government buildings, including the United States Capitol Building.
It is relevant now because of the current links of the unrepentant leadermen leaders (Dohrn and Ayers, now a married couple) who have been publicly advising OCCUPY members on the stages they can expectg in their movements, including violence.
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| Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers at Occupy rally, |
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
571 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 571 of 571To Constance and anyone who might be interested:
The following has certain qualities that are redolent of New Age/occult beliefs:
An "exorcism" at one of the "haunted" homes of a formerly demon-possessed boy who was the real life model of the fictitious possessed girl in THE EXORCIST by William Peter Blatty was to have been broadcast live on television last evening.
Archbishop Robert J. Carson has sternly warned everyone about the real dangers of future "hidden satanic attacks" on anyone who participates.
The so-called "exorcist" is Bishop James Long, who is NOT a Catholic bishop, but instead an Archbishop of the United States Old Catholic Church, which is not affiliated with the Vatican.
Long is also the founder of the Paranormal Clergy Institute, whose leadership team includes two men who style themselves as shamans - Willie "Windwalker" Gibson and Dawn "Brightstar" Short.
No one has been given permission by the Archdiocese of St. Louis Missouri to perform ANY exorcism in this place, let alone one that was to be broadcast live.
The reason why I sat up and took notice when I first read about this is because it is so rare that a Roman Catholic bishop - especially here in the United States - would speak about exorcism at all, let alone issue such a grave warning as Archbishop Carson has.
Here are some related articles:
Archbishop Warns Against Live TV Broadcast Of Exorcism
October 30, 2015
http://ucatholic.com/blog/archbishop-warns-against-live-tv-broadcast-of-exorcism/
By uCatholic -
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From Catholic Culture
St. Louis archdiocese issues grave warning about 'live exorcism' scheduled for TV broadcast
October 30, 2015
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26575
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Archdiocese objects to TV exorcism in St. Louis
Catholic Bishop says made-for-TV event at infamous Bel Nor home is reckless and potentially dangerous
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/2015/10/29/catholic-bishop-says-made-for-tv-event-at-infamous-bel-nor-is-reckless-and-potentially-dangerous/74788170/
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This is the link to "Bishop" Long's Paranormal Clergy Institute
Paranormal Clergy
http://www.paranormalclergy.com/paranormalclergy.com/Welcome.html
http://www.paranormalclergy.com/paranormalclergy.com/Our_Team.html
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Spectators turn out for 'Exorcism: LIVE!' in Bel-Nor
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2015/10/31/live-exorcism-television-del-nor-missour-st-louis/74922382/
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cont.
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The Catholic Archdiocese of St. Louis has released this statement about the “Live” Exorcism in St. Louis:
The cable network “Destination America” reportedly plans to air a purported exorcism live on national television on Friday, October 30, from a home in St. Louis which was associated with the well-known exorcism of “Roland Doe” in 1949.
Given the public nature of this event, the Archdiocese of St. Louis – which is not involved in this dangerous endeavor – deems it necessary to educate and warn the public about the dangers of participating in such activities.
(For Roman Catholics)“No exorcism can take place without the authority of the local Roman Catholic ordinary,” said auxiliary bishop emeritus Robert Hermann.
Most Reverend Robert J. Carlson, Archbishop of St. Louis, has not granted the necessary permissions – known as “faculties” – to any priests or bishops for the purpose of this televised event. Anyone involved in this production who claims to be a member of the Catholic clergy is not affiliated with the Archdiocese of St. Louis nor are they operating under the authority of the Vatican.
Any purported exorcism by spiritualists, paranormal investigators, mediums, or non-Catholic clerics for the purposes of entertainment trivializes this ancient rite of the Roman Catholic Church and the very real danger of evil.
“Any attempt to use the solemn Rite of Exorcism as entertainment exposes all participators to the danger of future hidden satanic attack,” said Bishop Hermann. “We cannot play games with Satan and expect to win.”
http://fox2now.com/2015/10/29/archdiocese-of-st-louis-warns-of-exorcism-dangers-before-tv-show/
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This is the story of the boy who inspired THE EXORCIST:
ROBBIE MANNHEIM (a.k.a. ROLAND DOE )
http://www.conservapedia.com/Robbie_Mannheim
http://www.strangemag.com/exorcistpage2.html
This blog needs renameing ..."what constance thinks with a guaranteed 300 Christine comments"
Contance.. honestly perhaps someone will repost your comments elsewhere and block Christine.
It would gain a big following.
Or better still Christine do her own but shes aware no ones interested.
Here is the lowdown on "Bishop Long's shaman associates.
WILLIE "WINDWALKER" GIBSON
http://www.shamanwindwalker.com/windwalker/About_Me.html
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/char-mccain/2013/10/05/willie-windwalker-gibsonshamanauthorconsultant
INTERVIEW WITH A SHAMAN
http://www.scifi411.com/Para/interview-windwalker.html
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Dawn "Brightstar" Short is Willie "Windwalker" Gibson's apprentice (a.k.a. "legacy shaman")
DAWN "BRIGHTSTAR" SHORT
http://www.restrictedairspaceradio.com/Dawn_Short.html
http://supernaturalwhisperswithdawn.weebly.com/
http://www.sandiegoparanormalresearch.com/spiritual-consultants.html
According to various news reports, the thing Archbishop Carlson said would happen did happen. The very real danger of evil has been trivialized.
Agreed 7:50 PM.
She manages to hijack every thread. And bore it to death while saying that of Susanna and Craig so the amount of nerve she has and gets away with, is beyond me. She kills more conversation many times, before it can even get started.
We did the program this morning. They said the audio this time was the best of all. David Livingstone was an excellent and well-informed guest. His book on TRANSHUMANISM is essential. The program will probably be rerun Sunday and be available in TMERadio's archives.
Thanks for listening, if you did. We had an excellent group in the chatroom.
Constance
Christine, Again, TOO MANY and TOO LONG posts. I had a busy day today and am just now reviewing. I'm probably going to have to delete. People are calling me to tell me that they get so bogged down going through your posts that they give up and hate to look.
Constance
Whow Constance,
You can say what you like to Christine and she ignores you completely to go completely back kn the same track.
Its a shame shes driving so many from the blog that are interested in your work.
A good post from Joseph Herrin that shows clearly, to those who ARE led by The Spirit , that the Roman Catholic Cult, and the Greek Orthodox Religion truly are NOT of Christ! They are as phoney as a three dollar bill.
Also at the end of the exchange between Joseph, and prisoner Alex there is some good info on government surveillance.
parablesblog.blogspot.com
Thursday October 29 post. 'A Prisoner Seeks for Truth'
Why is Christine flooding this blog? She copy/pastes so well.... I wish there was a button to just hide all of her comments.
I ageee Sarai.... time to build an Ark.
I like Joseph Herron, but he insists on using all these hackneyed-Hebrew words and insists
on saying "Jehovah", when "The Lord" is what the KJV says, and "Yeshua" when the Bible says Jesus.
C'mon, man, "Jehovah" means "The Lord" and we speak English these days in this part of the world.
It's a perfect example of Judaizing and self righteousness which doesn't want to give God all
the glory, but rather save a little glory for yourself.
"Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name."
Hallowed means holy. His name is Holy. His name is holy.
To be hallowed is to be separate; set aside, ouside of this wicked world.
This is the essense of holiness; neither the Judaizers, nor the Roman Catholics, nor the
Protestants nor anyone else, can even pronounce His name. You can't; I can't.
At least the Jews say, "Ha Shem" which means "The name", which shows that they at least realize
that no one can say his name.
We that read his word and believe on him and his only begotten son, do indeed know everything about
him that a person needs to know in order to be saved, He has revealed himself through Moses and the
Prophets, and through Jesus and the Apostles.
But please don't tell me that you have an exclusive, inside way of pronouncing his name, because you don't.
Does Mr Herron speak fluent Hebrew? Aramaic? Arabic or Greek?
I didn't think so.
Everybody's got an inside track on God: The JW's, The Mormons, the LDS's... Gnostics all.
Drop the gnostic pretenses. Get real with God. Speak to him in your own tongue and pray for His will to be done.
Then he'll hear you even if you can't pronounce a lick of ancient Hebrew.
I just heard a commercial for a program called Breakthrough. The series airs tonight on the National Geographic Channel. My first thought was this program sounds like science Barbara Marx Hubbard style.
"...for 6 weeks, 6 visionary directors, bring their personal touch to 6 stories that could change everything..."
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/breakthrough-series/videos/breakthrough-trailer/
http://tinyurl.com/qe2qf6g
Readers:
I posted this comment myself first and just noticed that I had obviously made a typo, spelling GARY KAH as "Gary Kay."
Sorry!
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OK, I WANT TRUE CONFESSIONS!!!!!!!!!! Who put this blogspot together and who maintains it -- it gives the impression that it might be mine, but it definitely is not. For one thing, I do not recommend GARY KAH's works as he shamelessly promoted Eustace Mullins after I showed him the very clear evidence of his vicious anti-Semitism and New Age ideology, e.g. Mullins' book MY LIFE IN CHRIST where he told all about his pro Aquarian Age beliefs.
http://www.equalparenting-bc.ca/issues/na_cumbey-constance-new-age.htm
Interestingly, I couldn't get into this site to place my own questions/comments!
MORE THAN HUMAN
Scientific advancements are challenging the concept of what it means to be human. In the near future, enhancing the human body with technology could lead to the next stage of evolution.
On the web site there appears to be a micro chipped hand.
Go to this National Geographic link
http://breakthrough.nationalgeographic.com/
Click on Menu in the upper left corner.
Click on More than Human
Some of the online trailers make mention of our human potential through out collective consciousness.
basing the definition of what it means to be human on anything much more than
sheer physical biological identity, opens the door to abortion infanticide and
extermination of anything deemed not human by some IQ standard or something. or
by lack of psychic skills or whatever.
Paul,
I like Joseph Herron, but he insists on using all these hackneyed-Hebrew words and insists on saying "Jehovah", when "The Lord" is what the KJV says, and "Yeshua" when the Bible says Jesus.
Priority must go to the Hebrew and the Greek - the original languages - and in English to the best translations of them.
In the Old Testament, "the LORD" is an arbitrary rendering of YHWH. In English Bibles it should be written either as it is pronounced, which in my opinion is Yahuweh (although I'm willing to be corrected), or as a translation of its meaning - "I Eternal" or something equivalent. Nowhere in the OT is there a ban on Jews or anybody else pronouncing it; that is a later rabbinic tradition probably connoting an excess of piety.
As for "Jesus", In King James' time it would have been pronounced "Yesus"; only around that time did the letter "J" began to be pronounced hard rather than soft in English, and English-speakers are now out of line not only with the Greek but with every other language into which the Bible has been translated. As for the vowels, the middle consonant ("S" vs "SH"), and the ending - which varies with grammar in some languages but not others - they are much lesser issues. The "Y" at the start is the main thing, and it comes from the "Y" at the start of "Yahuweh".
Your brother in Christ
I need to correct something I said above:
I really don't like Mr Herron.
Herron repeats the canard that the halo on images of Christ and the saints is
strictly a pagan copy. However, Moses' face shown so brightly when he had been
with God that it frightened people and he had to veil his face. There is
precedent therefore for this representation.
Anon 5:32AM,
I don’t know a thing about Hebrew, so my comment will center around “Jesus”, as it is currently used in English Bibles, though going back to the Word of God in the New Testament, which was originally written in Koine (common), or Hellenistic Greek, an admixture of the more formal Attic and Ionic Greek. While there are some who speculate that Jesus spoke in Aramaic, the fact is that the NT came to us in Koine Greek. In Koine, “Jesus” is Ἰησοῦς, transliterated into English as Iēsous (the sigma (“s”) has two different forms in the Greek), and usually assumed to be pronounced ee-ay-sus. The punctuation mark at the beginning of Ἰησοῦς (here like a backwards apostrophe) determines whether the iota (“I”) is pronounced ‘hard’ (in which case an apostrophe-like symbol would be used), that is, with an “h” sound preceding the vowel as in the English “he”, or ‘soft’, without the any added sound, as in the ee in Ἰησοῦς. My point is that a consonantal “y” sound is not part of the Greek. In fact, in Greek there is no consonantal “y” at all.
In the first few centuries AD Koine was written in what is called majuscule – essentially, like all capital letters. Hence, “Jesus” would be ΊΗΣΟΥΣ. Note the penultimate (2nd to last) letter, the “Y”. This is the upsilon, which, as we see above is written similar to an English “u” in its miniscule form. The upsilon is strictly a vowel.
Relatedly, there are a number of NT manuscripts in which certain words/names are abbreviated. Ἰησοῦς is one of those. In its nominative form, as we’ve been using, it is contracted (assuming the overbar comes through in this comment) Ι͞Σ – essentially a combining overbar is placed over the first and last letters of the term (sometimes more letters are used). In its genitive (possessive) form, it is I͞Υ. The same is done for “God”, “Lord”, etc. These have been termed nomina sacra, Latin for “sacred names”.
I need to correct something above. I have the punctuation marks backards (in English). The punctuation mark at the beginning of Ἰησοῦς is like the English apostrophe, or used in an English contraction such as "can't". In Koine this is the 'soft' (smooth) breathing mark. The 'backwards' version is curved the other way, indicating the hard breathing mark, for the "h" sound as in "he".
Sorry for the confusion.
Constance and others,
The problem is that we are trying to run a discussion forum in a format it wasn't designed for. Using the comments section of a blog post is not the way to run a research-based web site.
Blogging sites were NEVER meant to be used in the way that this one is attempting.
Constance, would you be open to looking into alternatives? If so, would you be open to asking the readership here what their ideas are for what those alternatives should look like?
Please consider it.... it would be less of a headache for YOU, and less of a headache for everyone else.
If going to something else, this site could be archived onto CD/DVD, or just left here, alive but with commenting disabled, for people to dig back into for info.
Christine,
I'm not willing to be told by you that concern for accuracy over the translation and pronunciation of the names of God and His Son in the Bible is a form of pride. It must not become an obsession but neither must concern with any part of scripture at the expense of the rest.
www.yahweh.org is the best site I know for pronunciation and meaning. I emphatically do not recommend its theology though.
"I think paul is correct in suspecting that a pride of knowledge is involved"
So then you proceed to lecture us all again, Ms Erikson, of how it should be pronounced. Isn't that an example of your own pride? (with this topic as only one example)
10:37 AM is right. The format is fine. The bully blogger is the issue.
" Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
Herron repeats the canard that the halo on images of Christ and the saints is
strictly a pagan copy. However, Moses' face shown so brightly when he had been
with God that it frightened people and he had to veil his face. There is
precedent therefore for this representation.
6:56 AM"
So you have first hand knowledge of this because you were around at the time?
Only Moses has that instance attributed to him and that was only temporary.
Better stick to the facts, MCE, but then again, that is not your strong suit............
Well I guess as usual I am dealing with at least one person who can't put two and
two together so I got to do the math for you, which will then get me accused by
others (or yourself) of being too wordy.
I suspect your reaction is spiteful not legitimate, because being around at the time
is irrelevant and sticking to the facts is what I've done, so I will spell it out.
a. a halo or glory is in use popularly to indicate either divinity or heroic status
or to refer to the earthly glory of the king, etc. (ancient literature claims
glow of face for some heroes also temporary.) FACT IS THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO THE "SUN GOD", UNLESS RAYS ARE SHOWN BEYOND THE NIMBUS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(religious_iconography)#Ancient_Greek_world
b. Christianity is now legal should art ascribe to Christ and saints the same
or more honor as shown to false gods by their worshippers, and to the emperor?
this is not the kind of thing that God said was not to be done in worship of Him
copying the ways of the Canaanites, because that is a short list of abominations.
One doesn't want to make it look like Christ is to be confused with a solar false
god. However NOT putting this on Him makes Him look to the average mind steeped
in Roman art, that He is to be esteemed less than the emperor that He, being King
if kings, outranks.
c. There is Scriptural precedent (Moses) and the nimbus is NOT limited to solar
false gods (solar rays reaching past the edge of the numbus are sometimes in use for them) and the glow was said, rightly or wrongly, to be on some heroes at the
Trojan War and while killing Medusa. In both Moses' cases and the legendary cases,
the condition is TEMPORARY and without having been in fact on the emperor, art
ascribes it to him as indicating glory.
The fact Moses only glowed temporarily is irrelevant, because the glow stated as
on some heroes was temporary, and the glow implied of the emperor never happened
at all, it was just showing he was a real important deal like major ancient heroes.
anon 10:37
"Christine,
I'm not willing to be told by you that concern for accuracy over the translation and pronunciation of the names of God and His Son in the Bible is a form of pride. It must not become an obsession but neither must concern with any part of scripture at the expense of the rest."
anon 10:54
"Anonymous said...
"I think paul is correct in suspecting that a pride of knowledge is involved"
So then you proceed to lecture us all again, Ms Erikson, of how it should be pronounced. Isn't that an example of your own pride? (with this topic as only one example)"
TAKE IT UP WITH PAUL, HE IS THE ONE WHO ASCRIBED PRIDE TO YOUR CONCERNS I MERELY
AGREE WITH HIM.
no it is not a matter of my pride, neither is anything else. I think your pride
is at issue, or you would welcome research even when it corrects your skewed
world view or biblical view.
instead of being like the wise who welcome instruction you are obviously like the
fools who hate instruction in Proverbs.
Herron is obviously working from the ideas Alexander Hislop in Two Babylons presented, which are
a. in many cases false, in terms of what archaeology and ancient records tell us
b. sloppy equating everything and running on the word of ONE writer who was himself
ill esteemed by his peers being inaccurate and if correct that Ninus was Nimrod
the Bible says nothing about Nimrod getting himself worshipped.
c. also shows that divine incarnations, virgin births, dying and resurrecting,
and The Trinity were all presaged in pagan art, and Hislop instead of applying
to everything the standard he uses to avoid rejecting these core doctrines instead
limits acceptance in spite of pagan similarities only to these.
Herron meanwhile is dead wrong on some points. The photo DOES NOT SHOW THE ORTHODOX
WEARING TAU CROSSES, which is like the capital letter T. it shows an equilateral
four armed crosss. I don't think I've EVER seen a T shaped cross in EO or RC. They
might exist but so rare it doesn't matter.
the RC host wafer DOES NOT USE THE TAU CROSS all photos elsewhere I can see clearly
are four armed one might be a Tau cross.
Tau in the Hebrew and proto HEbrew shared Phoenician Canaanite alphabet letter for
the letter T. it is also a word meaning mark. When God said to put a mark on His
followers foreheads to a prophet or to an angel in a prophet's hearing, He was
saying "put a Tau on their foreheads." Yes the cross in any form was esteemed
repellant to evil and probably why it became an execution device, the origin of
this belief is unknown.
might be because it WORKED and that because God had imbued this with some quality,
in anticipation of the Crucifixion and REsurrection of Our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau#Symbolism
anon 11:01
"Only Moses has that instance attributed to him and that was only temporary."
wrong. ever hear of the Transfiguration of Christ? that is not some made up
Roman Catholic celebration of misequation of Christ with solar false gods.
"Matthew 17:1–9, Mark 9:2–8, Luke 9:28–36) describe it, and 2 Peter 1:16–18 refers to it; it has also been hypothesized that the Gospel of John alludes to it in in John 1:14." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus That also was
temporary, it may not be temporary when He comes back.
That Transfiguration event was reason enough to give Christ a halo in art.
hey, anon 11:01,
you forgot the transfiguration, but I forgot it too or it would have been in
my earlier post on this. I admit I am not perfect.
What an absolutely off the mark answer! The Bible sets precendent in matters of holiness, and you are once again, misusing it to make your own invalid point, not the point the Bible itself makes.......therefore yours is irrelevent.
By the way, where's the light shining off of all of your brillant posts? I just see darkness eminating from them.......
If this was the gong show (which it kind of is with your often musings rendered here) you would be repeatedly gonged and pulled offstage.
Consider yourself gonged.
We weren't discussing Christ in His transfiguration and human art would do it no justice anyway, but still does not give your post any credence.
And I agree that your prideful lectures do neither God nor your fellowman any good.
The Bible sets precedent in matters of holiness - there's hardly anything that
can't be put in that category. We are talking about art, something God already
validated by ordering images of cherubs to be on the veils of the tabernacle.
AND ABOUT THE NIMBUS IN ART. the Bible gives TWO precedents for this happening
in fact, therefore for it being depictable.
The Bible does not say do not use nimbuses it says don't do divination human
sacrifice of infants or temple prostitution in worshipping YHWH like the Canaanites
did in worshipping their gods.
It is your post that reeks of darkness and confusion.
"We weren't discussing Christ in His transfiguration and human art would do it no justice anyway, but still does not give your post any credence."
shows how fragmented your mind is. we were discussing the nimbus in art is it
appropriate for Christians or is it sneaking sun worship in as Hislop and his
deceived followers think?
Moses and the Transfiguration are both events however temporary, that would be
a basis for putting such a nimbus on a saint or on Jesus in art.
No it isn't. It is a pagan depiction falling very short of what holiness is meant to reveal.
Leave Jesus out of it.
Meanwhile, while Chritine argues the finer points of nothing, real world things are happening.
In the book of Revelation we are told that peace is taken from the earth. Coming to a town near us all......
From: Dan Hulland
Date: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 9:17 AM
Subject: CAR : our neighbourhood under attack again
To: Al Schubert
31.10.15
Greetings.
The spiral of violence continues. I went out this morning to see to the spiritual needs of God's children, and at the FATEB Bible school learned that our neighbourhood had been attacked again by armed Muslims who are continuing to loot and set fire to houses. Calls for help have remained unanswered. All I can do is keep singing ''What a Friend We Have in Jesus''. The children living in our house have managed to get away - meanwhile our eyes are on the Lord.
The KINA quarter of town, left deserted by its inhabitants after they lost everything and fled, is now occupied by Muslims as far as the Baptist church which was burned down. The people have lost everything, and have nowhere to lay their head. They have become wanderers and vagabonds in their own country.
Yesterday I filled a bag with clothes and shoes of mine to try and help some of the brothers in their plight. It is very hard to see your own disciples and pastors, close relatives and friends lose everything in a few minutes. I am overwhelmed by requests for assistance, while being very limited in what I can do. We are having to support many people in different parts of town. How long until this agony finally comes to an end?
Please continue to pray for us. God bless you.
http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vort-2015-10-31
Catherine
This is anon 8:54 who suggested another format for sharing information besides this blog.
I agree that Christine has been a ruinous parasite.
I do remember the good ol' days, and it was much better then, but it can be even better than what it was then, is my point.
It would be more work though, and require more time than I guess anyone is able or willing to give.
3:17 PM:
Is there any way that we here in the States can get bags of clothes, or whatever the greatest need is, to where you are at?
Praying for you that God will enable you to be a blessing in ways you haven't thought of yet!
Rich,
I saw an ad for that program, and just the ad sent up red flags. It made me want to watch it to see what it was all about. Alas, I don't have cable...
Did you watch it? If so, what did you think about it?
"No it isn't. It is a pagan depiction falling very short of what holiness is meant to reveal.
Leave Jesus out of it."
no, it is an indicator of the subject depicted being divine or semi divine or
extremely important. That is what it meant.
To deprive Jesus in depiction of this nimbus is to insult Him as being less worthy
than they are.
The Shekina glory of God was in the Tabernacle in the wilderness and in the Tabernacle at Shiloe.
It was in the Temple of David/ Soloman, when the priests couldn't even stand in the Holy place
for the intensity of it.
The Shekina glory of God has not been on earth since then, except for at the Tranfiguration.
It was not in the Temple of Herod.
But Jesus deigned to teach there in his time, anyway.
What a sacrifice Jesus made!
_To have to live among flesh and blood and all it's sinfulness, and disbelief.
The Halo is directly linked back to the 5 Century BC to the Greek "sun god" Helios. It also appears in numerous pagan societies such as Babylon, Rome, Egypt, etc. It does not appear ANYWHERE in "Christian" artwork, etc. until the 4th. century. Coincidental to the 4th. Century is the rise of Constantine in Rome, who you will remember, professed a "conversion" to Christianity. Constantine also incorporated much of Pagan Rome into his "state religion" of Christianity. I believe there is much evidense to prove that Constantine was actually the "first Pope" being that it was at this time that so much paganism was introduced into the Rome's state religion.
Furthermore, nowhere in Scripture does the Halo appear in any way in which it is connected with God or His people. For someone to assert that to "deprive Jesus in depiction of nimbus (Halo) is to insult Him as being less worthy" is total, utter nonsense.
Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. He does not need any pagan Halo in order to further enforce what He is as declared in His Word.
Anonymous said @ 3:17 PM ...
"Meanwhile, while Chritine argues the finer points of nothing, real world things are happening.
In the book of Revelation we are told that peace is taken from the earth. Coming to a town near us all......"
I couldn't agree more. Next up of "great concern" will probably be a lengthy disgussion centering on "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin."
RayB
the ignorance of early church history you exhibit, probably not your fault, is appalling.
Constantine was always the emperor, NEVER A BISHOP. church and state were separate,
but worked together. he was not the pope, and the name "pope" is "papa" and used
also
by Alexandria. Constantine did nothing but demand the dispute between the arian
heretics and the Orthodox (Trinitarians) get settled. this matter was disturbing
the peace of the empire (and continued to do so later) because Christians of one
kind or another were close to half the empire's population.
There is so much you take for granted that is just plain wrong. Constantine was
impressed more by the martyrs who had survived being merely tortured not killed,
than they were by him, and even kissed the eye socket of a man who had had an eye
gouged out for his faith in Christ in reverence for this living martyr.
The idea that without force Constantine could do in a few years what centuries
of persecution could not do is absurd.
Christine,
So to sum up all your stated assertions and assumptions, you are saying that using symbols that originated in Paganism is not only right, but in fact, pleasing to God. Right?
By the way, I did read Hislop's "Two Babylons" about 30 years ago and ... gasp ... I still own the copy!! As I recall, he made numerous, valid connections with Rome and Paganism via their practices and symbolism. As I recall as well, he proved the Pagan origin of what many consider to be "Christian" holidays (or "Holy Days") as to the time in which they are celebrated (coinciding with Pagan holidays) along with the Pagan symbols and traditions that are connected with these holidays.
You make the claim: "Aside from his sloppiness (pun intended) which one of the reasons one of his supporters repudiated him recently ..." I guess that ends all arguments on the subject being that one of his (unnamed and undocumented) "supporters" now repudiate him. I hate to be the one to inform you of this, but Hislop is not alone in his findings. There is an abundance of information out there for your perusal that will prove that his work was both honorable and truthful. Take the time to do some honest research and I’m sure you’ll come to the same conclusion (well … maybe I’m being irrationally optimistic).
I realize that Hislop probably hits you particularly hard because Eastern Orthodoxy has its own problems with Pagan symbols, religious icons and relics. Sometimes the truth simply hurts, but truth is afterall what we are all persuing, or at least, should be.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
3:17 PM:
Is there any way that we here in the States can get bags of clothes, or whatever the greatest need is, to where you are at?
Praying for you that God will enable you to be a blessing in ways you haven't thought of yet!
7:34 PM"
Thank you for praying and your concern. Bless you.
That was from a newsletter I receive from Siloam Ministries that ministers in Central Republic of Africa.
http://www.princeofpeaceministries.org/SILOAMflyer.pdf is where to get the details.
Yes, Paul.
That is why Chrstine's dumbed down version of what is sacred falls so short, and how she does neither God, nor her fellowman any good.
Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said to RayB:
"the ignorance of early church history you exhibit, probably not your fault, is appalling.
Constantine was always the emperor, NEVER A BISHOP"
Below proves that Constantine himself referred to himself as a "Bishop" ... not just a bishop in like manner to those that he was speaking to, but a BISHOP that went beyond the boundries of Rome !
Once again ... Christine makes wild claims that are easily proven to be false.
Constantine's claim as a supreme Bishop (Pope?) is well documented in numerous historical works.
Constantine: Bishop over “Those Outside”:
Imperial Diplomacy and the Boundaries
of Constantine’s Christianity
by Alexander Angelov Duke University Greek, Roman, Byzantine Studies
ROUND THE TIME of the Council of Nicaea in 325, the
emperor Constantine invited several close friends and
bishops to dinner. It was in the comfort of good food
and a private circle that Constantine shared his own idea on
what a Christian emperor should actually be. “You are bishops
of those within the Church, but I am perhaps a bishop appointed
by God over those outside”:1 these were Constantine’s
words as recorded by Eusebius of Caesarea, who insisted that
he had overheard them in person.
@ 8:33 PM
GONG!
Christine, AGAIN, TOO MANY COMMENTS FROM YOU ND FAR TOO LONG. Some of your points are interesting, but they should be handled by you as articles and/or comments on your own blog locations. If you want to do that, I will be happy to provide a link from my blog to your blog. I agree with you that Constantine has been unfairly vilified in history, but you don't have to use my comments section to post your own articles which in essence is what you are doing. You have long been exhausting many other's patience to the detriment of this blog and the time it takes me to read and respond to yours cuts into my own research and writing time. PLEASE, AS I HAVE BEEN REQUESTING, STOP MONOPOLIZING THE CONVERSATION HERE.
Constance
To Sarai and others:
There WAS a way to hide comments -- it was called "Collapse Comments". I'm going to check my settings, but I don't recall seeing that option here recently.
Constance
Constance,
these issues are why you have come under attack for being friendly
to RC, why Catholics here like Susanna and another have come under attack, and
the incredible bad information that people here believe and that I used to believe
but learned better before I became Orthodox needs to be answered.
RC has some problems but being the whore of Babylon and disguised Babylonian
paganism or any other kind of paganism is not one of them.
as for “You are bishops
of those within the Church, but I am perhaps a bishop appointed
by God over those outside”
exactly, he was never a bishop over the church bishop means overseer, he was
in a comparable role, being emperor to those OUTSIDE THE CHURCH,
as for wild claims, the wild claims are the things you people post here because
you don't question and research for yourself or you somehow are blinded to the
obvious if you do research them. I used to swear by this garbage now I swear at
it.
as Eusebius' quote proves, Constantine was never a bishop over the church but
over the NON church people of the empire. Constantine was never clergy of any
kind in the church. the overseer rules the local church and the gathering of
overseers rules the church at large. Constantine was overseer of those OUTSIDE
OF THE CHURCH nothing to do with the church itself, he ruled outside the church.
Of course he ruled outside of Rome, he was emporer of the Roman empire, which was
all of Europe, most of the Middle east and all of north Africa.
the bishops were appointed by God to rule in the Church, Constantine was appointed
by God to rule outside the church.
As for Hislop hitting me hard and the truth hurts, no, wrong. Hislop's "facts"
are off kilter, they include all you need to dismiss the Trinity, Incarnation
Virgin birth and Crucifixion and REsurrection as pagan also (but he didn't go
that far, gave the explanation I cited, READ THE BOOK FOR YOURSELF and while
you are at it, read Woodwards "The Babylon Connection?" which refutes all this.
Woodward (I think that's the name) had written a Hislop supporting book and was
all for him, then did some research and turned against him.
If my wild claims include the remarks about the Ark of the Covenant, you need
only go find photos of what was in Tutankhamen's tomb. Gold covered inside and
out sacred box for keeping sacred stuff in (since he once dead qualified as a "god").
The entire Constantine as paganizer story started with the moslems during the Islamic conquests. do a search
on this and find it for yourself. it may take some digging, I stumbled on it by
accident and don't remember where it is.
David Livingstone has a book out "the Dying God" which is essentially doing all
this. While he is great on Transhumanism and other issues, he is a moslem.
Now I will go quiet again for a few days.
Hi Christine,
Constance has asked you several times in this thread to show some restraint and you appear to ignore it.
I know you have met and talked with Constance so you know how considerate she is, please stop taking liberties.
Honestly you are giving the wrong impression to people and make it seem like you dont appreciate how gracious Constance is to you by ignoreing her requests... show some discipline.
RayB,
May I suggest you read The Babylon Connection? by Ralph Woodrow, an evangelical protestant? He read Hislop and was concerned at the scholarship in it. He shows that it is factually wrong in many places. In a final chapter he provides his own critique of Roman Catholicism which confirms that he is no closet sympathiser with its theology.
"Now I will go quiet again for a few days."
After which...
Constance,
Yes, Constantine has come in for criticism for politicising the church and I agree with you that it wasn't his fault. At that time he was a pagan who had had an experience that he interpreted as Christian. The person to blame is Bishop Sylvester of Rome, the man who instead of saying "O Constantine, we acknowledge you as Emperor and we shall be honored to instruct you in the Christian faith, but your rank as Emperor counts for nothing inside the church", cut a deal with Constantine that saw the Bishop of Rome given a vast palace and wealth and worldly influence, while Constantine chaired church councils. Political Christianity is a contradiction in terms because politics is about law whereas the gospel is about grace and the two don't mix. Some of us wonder whether Constantine's vision at the Milvian Bridge was not of God but from another source - and in regard to Sylvester note that temptation is the devil's oldest trick.
I notice no apology for taking advantage of Constance and her blog, just explanations (excuses). I notice no apology for being many times irreverent and very inconsiderate with topics and toward others posting. I notice no apology that says I will endeavor to refrain myself from the past bad behaviors. She's just going to "go quiet for a few days".....and then come back again to post with a vengeance and insult this blog and it's readers right and left. At least 1/3 of all posts are hers, thread to thread, so I'll give her this much-she is consistent. Links I have posted pertaining to New age topics have been ignored in the morass she leaves here and Constance recently noted that and told her to stop. But did she stop? No. She does this to everyone of us with links and pertaining comments to obscure our postings in favor of her own. She should go quietly from here to her own blog and stay put, posting into infinity. But she won't. (just watch and do the countdown.....)
So she's waiting for things to cool off.
She's not sorry. She's shameless.
Comments:
Re Ralph Woodrow: He recanted much of what he wrote in THE BABYLON CONNECTION. He and I had some email contact over that a few years ago. He was gracious. I looked him up after I read that he had changed his position. I had also been concerned because he had used ISIS UNVEILED as a reference for that book.
As regards Constantine, please let us all remember that up until the time of Constantine, it was perfectly legal to hound and persecute Christians to death. Constantine for all his alleged faults changed that. His mother was most definitely a saint.
As regards Seventh Day Adventist theology, I found something else that deeply troubles me and had been in my mind for years -- their classification of the Albigensians as "Bible Believing Christians." I heard Dave Hunt in a Detroit debate against a Catholic theologian say the same thing. The Albigensians, per my understanding of religious history, were clearly gnostics. Dave Hunt's first book THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT (Hunt and Law) may have betrayed him as a gnostic himself. Jacob Boehme is a primary source for William Law. William Law was Jacob Boehme's translator. Boehme was Madame Blavatsky's inspiration for THEOSOPHY.
I found the following this morning on a search using the terms "Seventh Day Adventist" and "ALBIGENSIANS". It is from a fallen away Christian well into feminist wiccan circles:
Here is what I jotted down last year when I realized the uncanny similarity between the SDA’s and Cathars / Waldensians / Albigensians. The SDA founder, Ellen G. White, visited the Cathar / Waldensian valleys area in Europe (Italy and France border area) twice in 1885 to 1887 while she was in Europe. Chapter 4 of her famous book, The Great Controversy, is about these cool heretics. Adventists really really honor heretics!, good for them.
Similarites between Cathars & Adventists. Both Cathars and SDA’s practiced the following things:
Vegetarianism
Distrust of the Roman Catholic Church to the point of calling it and the Pope, Anti-christ & “the Beast”
Sabbath-keeping. See pic of SDA kids at Waldensian stone table room http://npucnewsletter.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/why-not-try-this-learn-lessons-from-the-waldenses/
Proof they were Sabbath keepers see: http://www.sabbathtruth.com/history/sabbath_history12.asp
Bible carrying
“Run to the hills!” teaching
Ascetisism: No adornments of any kind: no steeples, no stained-glass, no crosses, no rituals, no jewelry not even wedding rings. No christenings, no priests. These are all SDA no-no’s.
No swearing of oaths, no killing or soldiering (SDA’s are conscientious objectors in war-time)
* * * *
Adventists teach Waldensians and Albigensians are heretic heroes whom children should revere, study about, and use as role models. The word Cathar was originally an insult of the RCC, so true descendants of the Cathars actually call themselves Waldensians or Albigensians – just like the SDA’s who never used the word Cathars.
The fact that Adventists instill in their children from an early age love of (and affinity to) Cathars and love of Judaism (sabbath keeping) makes you wonder…
References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathar
Constance
The above was clipped from this very bad website:
http://www.northernway.org/weblog/?p=45
Constance
Constantine was a Jew hating politician. He hooked up with the Christians because they were a large group that could be organized.
Dear Constance,
Here is an article from the National Catholic Register By Edward Pentin which I think you might find interesting. As I recall, you said that you purchased his E-Book about the Synod.
Vatileaks, Chapter Two
Francesca Chaouqui and Opus Dei Msgr. Lucio Vallejo Balda were appointed by the Pope in 2013 to an economic advisory board.
by EDWARD PENTIN 11/03/2015
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/vatileaks-chapter-two/
Anonymous said...
RayB,
May I suggest you read The Babylon Connection? by Ralph Woodrow, an evangelical protestant? He read Hislop and was concerned at the scholarship in it. He shows that it is factually wrong in many places. In a final chapter he provides his own critique of Roman Catholicism which confirms that he is no closet sympathiser with its theology.
5:31 AM
Woodrow wrote a previous book supporting Hislop's conclusions. In that book, he used 79 different references along with Hislop's in order to support his premise. He then writes another book to refute his previous findings. There is no other conclusion to be drawn other than that Woodrow now is convinced that his 80 reference sources used to substantiate his first book are now, somehow, wrong.
Please read other sources on this subject ... there are plenty out there, including the New Catholic Encyclopedia which actually proves much of Hislop's conclusions as to the pagan origin of so-called Christian Holidays. Wooodrow is definately not a source I would trust based on his past convoluted history on this subject.
I disagree 12:17.
Constance is still active and staying on point with her anti-new age message. I warn others who are new to this topic to stick to the front page rather than get into the middle of the bonfires set most often by Christine.
Are you at least coming alongside Constance to further the message (even in spite of the "she"nanigans)?
She does not have the time nor inclination to babysit Christine, who clearly takes advantage of her inopportunity and good (perhaps unwise) grace.
Christine is a sad figure with an unhealed past and no reasonable restraints in relating rightly with others. Her, once in a while, small contributions about the new age topic are overshadowed and totally wiped out by her aggressive posting tactics, tending toward paranormal, occult and gnostic fascinations and slants, poorly researched material and her streaming obnoxious opinions and bad manners-generally an anti-social display, taken with bad science and bad theology to top it all off. I don't think she is vicious, but do think she is extreme. Extreme types demand all the oxygen in the room and for that she deserves to be dismissed but won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. Yes, it is charity of a type I don't feel helpful at all, but it isn't my blog.
Meanwhile post what you have and the rest of us will look for what is shared, while trying to wade (waisthigh) past all the garbage left in Chritine's wake.
Pin the tail on the right donkey and don't judge Constance by her.
Constance,
Ralph Woodrow read Hislop's Two Babylons and wrote a book based on it about 35 years ago called Babylon Mystery Religion. He then had increasing doubts about it and dug more deeply and came to see that it was flawed, and about 15 years later wrote a book against Hislop's thesis (in the process recanting his own earlier work) called The Babylon Connection? You wrote at 11.17am above that Woodrow "recanted much of what he wrote in THE BABYLON CONNECTION. He and I had some email contact over that a few years ago. He was gracious. I looked him up after I read that he had changed his position." I am not aware that he has changed his mind again and I am guessing that you named the wrong book of his in that comment of yours. Please would you check your files?
RayB - believe what you like about this, but you will have to overcome Woodrow's own arguments against his earlier position to be able to defend your own. I find absurd the idea that Roman Catholicism is disguised sun-worship. The Roman Catholic church's idols are, obviously, itself (in its claims of inerrancy of the Magisterium and infallibility of the Pope speaking ex cathedra) and the Virgin Mary. And even those are de-facto idols; just as we do, Rome never claims anything other than the Holy Trinity is divine.
Hi all,
Have any of you read ....
Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna (Barna Books, 2008)
It talks about Pagan origins of things found in the church systems.
Some of the things covered are..
"laymen" and "clergy" (Clement of Rome) Identified as destroying the faith
The fallacy of "ordination" (Augustine, Chrysostom)
Pews (discouraged face-to-face fellowship, 13th through 18th centuries)
The Liturgy, "Eucharist"
Communal meal to "transubstantiation" - "HOC EST CORPUS MEUM"
Steeples, stained glass windows
House assemblies to Cathedrals, Cathedral schools to Seminaries
Tithes and Clergy salaries
Clerical costumes
Pulpit Performer - spectator practices of Greek Sophists
Constantine & hierarchical leadership style
Its obvious that the books authors are pro house church movement and I dont think they suggest otherwise.
What I think is useful is to actually encourage you to think about the when, how and why of much we do in churches versus the New Testament early Church example.
I am not endorseing the book but it does expose historical pagan roots.
God bless,
Grant
New Zealand
1:14...
I have to somewhat agree with 12:17. Constance is the one who can quite easily clean things up here, but for some reason that I don't understand, hasn't. (And I don't really need to understand - it's not my blog.) However, I can still try to reason and plead with Constance, so here goes....
&^&^&^&^&
Constance, can you see the arrogance displayed by Christine's "going quiet for a few days" comment? It's like we are all expected to be grateful to Queen Justina for a little vacation from her rants and meanderings. The only thing that would make me grateful (and a lot of others here as well) is if she were banned permanently from this place.
Please stop just giving her "one more chance". But we are supposed to "do the Christian thing", and forgive and forgive and forgive, right?
Wrong. Let's suppose that there is a border ministry just outside of Iran, trying to get the Gospel into the country. This ministry has been able to print up some small pamphlets and has found a method for smuggling them into the country, and has quite a loyal audience on the other side, each one growing in his or her Christian walk from the materials you provide.
Soon, however, you find that the group you entrusted to carry the pamphlets in has also printed their own pamphlets to distribute along with yours, and they are confusing, and often detract from the message of your pamphlets, which you've spent a lot of time trying to get right. You are starting to hear complaints from across the border about these "extraneous" materials, and people just want the pamphlets again, without all that other stuff. Some have even stopped showing any interest in reading what's been delivered to them, and use the materials to help start their morning fires to cook their one meal for the day. For them, it's like going through a BIG pile of junk mail, trying to find something worth the time to read. They do not have that kind of time, so pretty soon your message is "lost in the mix".
Is the "Christian thing to do" to continue to allow this group to be associated with your ministry, or do you cut them loose, and try to get back on track with the way things were? Do you try to "be a Christian" to this group, not wanting to hurt their feelings, and keep giving them one more chance after warning them to stop mixing their materials with yours, and forget about the needs of the audience that you were burdened for from the beginning?
Not the best analogy, I know. But I also know you see my point. "Collapse comments", to be frank, is the lazy way out - it keeps you from having to make a tough decision. It also is not as useful as you think it is. Even with all the comments collapsed, the ones left that "aren't Christine" are still mostly responses to her meandering, rambling streams of tortured logic - good bits though there might be occasionally therein (in the same way that one might find some good things in a junk yard). So please stop going back to the "collapse comments" every time you start feeling the pressure from the rest of us. And please, just hold your nose, push the "block user" button (or however you do it), and be done.
It's not like you are shutting her up completely - SHE HAS HER OWN BLOG, for Pete's sake!
I have erased ANONYMOUS 12:17's post. I know who wrote it and she has her own agenda which has been just as destructive to my productivity as Christine's.
I am so sorry. I've often been urged to ban them both and I have consistently refused. The temptation sometimes grows stronger.
Constance
To Anonymous 3:07 -- You are correct and I apologize -- my mistake. The book he recanted was BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION.
Constance
To Grant in New Zealand,
I'm not sure I would buy a used car from Barna either.
Always good to hear from you, though!
Constance
What "Anonymous" and "Christine" both have in common is that both could have their own blogspots, Constance would willingly provide links to both and both have chosen this as their venue rather than operate from their own spots.
At least that's how this reader sees it!
Cheers!
There were questions on 7th Day Adventists. There was a suggestion by one of our readers that they were "as New Age as one can get" -- something I cannot agree with as to most. Here is an excellent analysis of both what's right and wrong with their theology from Catholic Answers website http://www.catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-adventism
Adventist Beliefs
Seventh-day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity, Christ’s divinity, the virgin birth, the atonement, a physical resurrection of the dead, and Christ’s Second Coming. They use a valid form of baptism. They believe in original sin and reject the Evangelical teaching that one can never lose one’s salvation no matter what one does (i.e., they correctlyreject "once saved, always saved").
Unfortunately, they also hold many false and strange doctrines. Among these are the following: (a) the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon; (b) the pope is the Antichrist; (c) in the last days, Sunday worship will be "the mark of the beast"; (d) there is a future millennium in which the devil will roam the earth while Christians are with Christ in heaven; (e) the soul sleeps between death and resurrection; and (f) on the last day, after a limited period of punishment in hell, the wicked will be annihilated and cease to exist rather than be eternally damned. (For rebuttals of many of these ideas, see the Catholic Answers tracts, The Antichrist, The Hell There Is, Hunting the Whore of Babylon, The Whore of Babylon, and Sabbath or Sunday?)
Many Adventists insist that, as a matter of discipline (not doctrine), one must not eat meats considered unclean under the Mosaic Law (many endorse total vegetarianism), and one must avoid "worldly entertainments" (card-playing, dancing, smoking, drinking, reading non-religious books, listening to non-religious music, watching non-religious television, going to the movies, etc.).
Adventists also subscribe to the two Protestant shibboleths, sola scriptura (the Bible is the sole rule of faith) and sola fide (justification is by faith alone). Other Protestants, especially conservative Evangelicals and Fundamentalists, often attack Adventists on these points, claiming they do not really hold them, which is often used as "proof" that they are "a cult." However, along the spectrum of Protestantism (from high-church Lutherans and Anglicans to low-church Pentecostals and Baptists), there is little agreement about the meaning of these two phrases or about the doctrines they are supposed to represent.
While the analysis of Catholic Answers is well done, I do not agree with all their definition of "shibboleths".
Constance
Constance,
Do you trust Barna Group's statistical surveys regarding religious issues, please? I always have done but your words make me wonder.
Hi, Constance, Thank you for telling us about the collapse button next to "Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said..." I tried it and it works well, unless she copy/pastes.
Only her initial comment is hidden while repeating all that she incessantly pastes.
I guess I will come back to the blog in a few days in hopes that this lady gets hobby :-)
Sarai
I would love to read your take on the group: Church of God Seventh Day.
https://cog7.org/about-us/what-we-believe/
I am from this group.
Thank you so much for your time,
Sarai
Constance Cumbey said...
While the analysis of Catholic Answers is well done, I do not agree with all their definition of "shibboleths".
Constance
12:53 AM
Constance,
I have to wonder why you wouldn't just use the Bible to point out the obvious errors of SDA. Using “Catholic Answers” as a source is akin to having the fox guard the hen house. Literally pages can be documented as to the errors of RCC theology and dogma. The “shibboleths” that you cite Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone for all matters of faith and practice) and Sola Fide (justification by faith alone i.e. in Christ alone) are two of the bedrocks of the Reformation. Many thousands of believers were tortured and burned at the stake for their unwillingness to recant on those “heretical” (according to RCC) beliefs.
I personally would be interested in knowing exactly where you stand on these positions. Saying that you "personally do not agree with all their definition of "shibboleths" is vague at best. If you hold to Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, Roman Catholicism must be rejected, because their system stands diametrically opposed to those two (among many others) Bible doctrines. If you don't hold to Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, I think you owe it to those on this site to fully explain what your true positions are concerning these eternally important issues.
http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/video-battle-against-lucifer-in-texas
Catherine
Ah freedom of speech which you mention so frequently. If you truly believed in Freedom of Speech my comment wouldn't have been taken down. You would have answered it. It is a term most frequently used by those who use it as an excuse to lie. You don't lie. As I said it is rarely used by those aware of what is going on because it can be dangerous when talking about those who have power, which you do in one sense of that meaning, and using it takes very good reason and nerve. The Emperor Has No Clothes story has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech. I still do not have enough nerve to exercise Freedom of Speech completely in this very real world.
Yes Constance, I understand completely why you would take my post down. More than almost every reader of this blog knows why. We have known each other for decades. My agenda? Strictly to expose what the New Age movement is and why it is dangerous. As I see it, it is the foundation of all of the political corruptness taking place at this time in history, destroying people and communities. It is not the only evil in the world. History is full of evil people, organizations and ideas. It's just that the New Age network has it's grip on so many throats at this time. To expose it is urgent.
Being a True Believer in an idea, in an organization or a person comes easily. Everyone has what they think are ideal beliefs. Truth for flawed humans is what we want to Believe. Only when one cannot excuse away cognitive dissonance any longer can one move forward.
Constance Cumbey said...
I have erased ANONYMOUS 12:17's post. I know who wrote it and she has her own agenda which has been just as destructive to my productivity as Christine's.
Question. Could you spell out what you see as your own productivity any why the
Anonymous comments are destructive to it? Only you know the truth of the matter. The rest of us can only guess. Anyone's productivity includes many things including lifestyle, profession, personal matters and what is done about the things one cares about.
anon 12:32
Constance has been doing a fine job of exposing it, but to you it is nothing but one
thing only while in fact it is multifaceted. Never did she deny the existence of
that one facet often brought it up but you can't stand the other angles. Especially
since the Christian protestant eschatology has been eurofocused enough that a lot
of time was spent on europolitics. The presupposition the antichrist will come
from Europe may be wrong, and is the driver for this, but in the process the
developments in Europe, which themselves (EU) derive from the Nazi fallback plan
constructed during the last year of WW 2 so ARE part of your concerns, get looked
at a lot. But I think a big complaint of yours is precisely a Christian focus at all.
Solana may be a red herring as far as the antichrist is concerned, but the matters
that got her attention on him show he is part of the problem.
anon 11:32,
the volumes on RCC flawed theology are themselves seriously flawed. much of what
you take as unbiblical are solidly biblical. the only serious problem is the papacy,
immaculate conception and general excess focus on Mary, the development of
contemplative prayer into what it is now far from the original thing which was
prayer that used some Scripture to contemplate and use in the prayer that the
desert fathers actually did, the view of the pope as having secular authority as
well as spiritual (which was much later than Constantine), the filioque, the
mechanistic views of scholasticism which also presuppose the finite mind's ability
to comprehend the essence of God, mechanistic merits of saints and distribution
through pope, priestly celibacy as an absolute, that's about it.
"Constance Cumbey said... (@12:47PM)
I have erased ANONYMOUS 12:17's post. I know who wrote it and she has her own agenda which has been just as destructive to my productivity as Christine's."
Please read the above quote, from Constance herself, very slowly and carefully, *Ms Erikson.
It is worded such that we can all agree, you should proceed with real caution here at What Constance thinks..
Christine, face it. You are nothing but Constance's little yapping poodle, annoying but clever and entertaining, who she occasionally scolds for making a mess on the blog. Yes, that is a political reference.
Anonymous 12:32 PM
You state, "Yes Constance, I understand completely why you would take my post down. ... My agenda? Strictly to expose what the New Age movement is and why it is dangerous. "
Why do you insist on presenting your comments in this blog? You can expose all you want on other forums, blogs, youtube, facebook, tweeter, etc. Why do you insist here? Could it be perhaps because that is NOT your agenda?
Please have some self-respect and expose the New Age movement all you want at another site. I'm sure you know a lot of useful information that would make a great video on youtube, for example.
Sarai, it's said a little learning is a dangerous thing. You know very little about me yet feel free to give me advice. Let me give you a piece of advice. Learn to listen before you give advice.
You have no idea what I've done over the past 35 years to expose the New Age movement and other subversive activity. There is a reason for that and I won't go into it. Exposing the New Age movement is not a product that is sold by Constance Cumbey alone though that is how it appears. I post my information here and have been doing since the blog was started. It is where individuals come to learn about the New Age movement. I have had and continue to work to have many outlets for my information. There is no point posting about my library of information. I tried and it became a spitting contest. More you don't need to know. I don't run a gossip rag.
Self-respect? If I had an ego I would have left the work I do decades ago. Exposing what is going on, based on what one knows, is very hard. Rejection of the information and the messenger by those who have no clue what is going on is par for the course. Getting an audience for the information is difficult unless one is preaching to the choir of those who already have heard about the New Age movement elsewhere. It is a very hard job when one has not been given recognition by a body of other researchers. Why there is not such a body of researchers after 33 years is something else. More you don't need to know. I don't run a gossip rag.
Stay around for a couple of years and contribute all you have learned about the New Age movement. Share what you've done to spread the information.
Constance is a big girl. She can take care of herself and doesn't need your help.
So is Constance's uneffectiveness with the new age message (in your eyes not mine) your issue and why you don't share here 5:22 PM, or is it Mary Christine Erikson's attempted takeovers of the message that bothers you so much?
It is apparent that Ms Erikson is a big girl too, even an amazon woman according to her own description, for goodness sake! She's the righter of all wrongs, and bearer of all truth with the bigger, better, facts and message than them all (you and Constance included!). So I think she is the issue here. Why you seem to have a problem with Constance Cumbey makes no sense to me if you are both about the same message (and Chritine Erikson clearly is not). Constance needs to ship her pesky resident caped crusader back over to her own politically unclassifiable ;) blog and be done with this.
7:03 I recognize my opinions are limited by my own experiences with attempting to make others aware of the New Age network agenda from its very early years until today. We need to learn from each other as no body of information has been put together which is easily accessed by those attempting to make sense of the larger picture. The way things stand we as individuals try to put together fragments of information from our own research as well as the findings of others.
I am suggesting that Constance could let her blog be used in this way.
An outline could be developed using a standard outline format with topics and subtopics. The outline could be developed by someone with suggestions from others and would be easily accessed. Sections would be given outline letters and numbers. Individuals could add their posts under such as
I. General information
II History
III Political
A One World
1. United Nations
B European
1. European Union
C United States
Washington DC
IV Religion
A One World Religion
B History of Infiltration
C Specific religions and infiltration
V Culture
A. Education
1. Common Core
2. All School levels
B The media
c Libraries and literature
VI New Age individuals
VII New Age financial promotion
VIII Any general comment
IX Questions
Information could be old or new information. Posters would just put an outline number before their post. The outline could even be more simple. So much information has been posted and shared in other ways in the last 30+ years. It has gone to waste in the larger picture of what is available.
Dorothy has NOT been at the New Age Movement issues for 35 years. It has only been 34 years for me and I was into it for upwards of 2 years before I received word that Dorothy falsely accused me of anti-Semitism for exposing New Age issues. I confronted her with that and the truth that the Jews were a target of the New Age Movement as were also the Christians and even the Moslems. I personally did not discover the existence of the New Age Movement until the spring of 1981 and Dorothy was a full two years later.
Constance
The problem with Dorothy is dealing with somebody like walking on eggshells. Whenever I gave her credit for work, she turned on me. She became even angrier after I extricated her from NewswithViews threats to sue her for attempting to interfere with their other columnists. Thereafter every time I wrote for NewswithViews I received extreme sulking from that quarter. Further, Dorothy drove away some contributors with information that was often valuable such as Joyce and Rudi. Dorothy could have her own BlogSpot at no expense and I would be happy to link to it. I'm human too and I don't like being poison-penned at my own BlogSpot. Even now this is taking time from other necessary projects. Essentially Dorothy has had contempt for many who see this in prophetic fulfillment context and it is impossible to understand apart from that.
Constance
I'm amused at Dorothy's comments about "shooting the messenger." My observation is that is what in psychological circles is called "PROJECTION." I've been the one to take the verbal caustic bullets fired mostly by Dorothy. Yes, the turmoil and mental depression have interfered with my work. For the record, I'm no longer a young woman, my stamina is not what it used to be, and I have a severely disabled husband. I'm still keeping up with client matters. Because of the years on the road, relatively little went into my Social Security account and I need a little client income to meet our basic bills. Unlike most of the others, many who have freely copied my work and passed the hat, I have never begged nor solicited money. I've had too much respect for the work that needs to be done to "cheapen it with filthy lucre" as the Apostle Peter warned against doing.\
Constance
Dorothy also needs to know that many New Agers regularly monitor my BlogSpot. She has undoubtedly made several of them very happy by her continual sniping on me. Christine's excessive posting probably also thrilled them and I regret to say that my responses here tonight probably didn't help the cause either. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
Constance
Constance, I think you did nothing wrong in posting those comments above.
Anonymous 5:22 PM, with what little I know about you, it's enough for me to know I don't care for YOUR perspective.
I can recognize a troll when I read one.
I will collapse ALL Anonymous posts, unless Mrs. Cumbey addresses them. Problem solved! :-)
Hi Constance,
This blog is not the only one to have problem commentators.
The Bible speaks of things being done in decency and order.
When people won't behave give them three warnings then if they dont stop.. delete ,ban and block them permanently.
Poor behaviour has no place in this blog... it denigrates the serious matters being discussed.
Naughty corners are for pre schoolers not childish adults... the latter need banning.
If they were in court the Judge would have them up for contempt .
Christina,
I appreciate your kind words -- don't appreciate the too long post. I can assure you that Grant is NOT a New Ager. That is not to say we agree on everything -- we don't. We talk often -- "his nickel" as he calls from far away New Zealand. He has been an encouragement.
I'm going to save your post to my personal archive, but I'm going to delete it publicly for the same reasons I have already reluctantly expressed. You have a warm heart, but your pen needs taming!
Constance
BREAKING NEWS -- Tea Party darling KrisAnne Hall is working closely with notorious Dr. Rodney Howard-Browne, of "laughing revival" fame.
http://krisannehall.com/root-evil/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtyhByr1gPA
Very, very important. As to her background she discloses without telling us when and how she allegedly left, the following:
KrisAnne is a disabled Army veteran, a Russian linguist, a mother, a pastor’s wife and a patriot. Born and raised in St. Louis, MO, she received her undergraduate degree in Bio-Chemistry from Blackburn College in 1991 and her J.D. from the University of Florida, Levin College of Law and is a former Russian Linguist for the US Army. KrisAnne worked as a state prosecutor and with a prominent law firm defending religious liberty and First Amendment rights. KrisAnne lives in North Florida with her husband JC, a pastor and former Russian instructor for the US Navy, and their adopted son Colton.
Here she is in her own words:
“Right up front there are some things that I need to tell you about myself. I want you to know where I came from and how I got to where I am today. I don’t want to ever be accused of deception or dishonesty. So, in full disclosure:
I was not born a Constitutionalist. I did not live my life with an inherent understanding of Liberty and what is necessary to defend it. I was not raised a Christian. For some, these things will be a stumbling block, so you need to know from me.
I was raised a Democrat. The only thing more evil than Satan was a Republican in my home. There were no choices to be made in voting…straight Democrat party line was the only choice.
I was an environmentalist. An ardent environmentalist. Some of my best friends were members of Green Peace and I supported the WWF and PETA. I was a vegetarian by ideology, not for health reasons, for almost 15 years.
I believed in the “good” of scientific manipulations of food and the necessity of vaccines. Not only believed this, but helped create them when I was a biochemist for Monsanto.
I believed in Global Warming and defended it vigorously. I believed in the Big Bang and openly criticized those who believed in creationism as ignorant and misled.
I believed Government’s duty and purpose was to be a provider for the people. I supported programs that would give the government more control over the people. I even believed a One World Government was the best way to go to ensure “global peace.” I supported the principles of socialism, although I cannot claim to have known at the time it was socialism, per se, that I supported.
I supported abortion and often openly condemned others for being pro-life. I have argued with abortion protesters on street corners and called them names that I am not proud of._BPP0228
I was not only not a Christian, but I practiced many other religions, including many occult versions. I was bitter against God and felt that only ignorant, weak people needed faith. I was too intelligent and too educated for such a feeble crutch.
I'm still researching, but I presently believe she may well be an "Agent-Provocateur" working to incite Christians into acts that will bring the hammer down on our heads even faster.
Constance
Christine,
Grant is clearly not into the "contemplation heresy." His original calls to me were to discuss his deep concerns on new items floating in the Christian community of that vein.
Constance
Christine @ 12:57 PM stated:
"the volumes on RCC flawed theology are themselves seriously flawed. much of what
you take as unbiblical are solidly biblical."
Christine,
This is so typical of you. You make a statement that trashes the work of numerous Bible believing authors without one spec of evidence. At least have the decency to give specific examples, such as WHICH volumes are "seriously flawed" and in what manner are they flawed. Obviously, you do not know the systematic theology of the RCC, or, you know it and believe it as an "authority" over Scripture itself.
Whatever the case is, at least have the decency to back up your cavalier statements by citing facts and specific examples.
ray b
"At least have the decency to give specific examples, such as WHICH volumes are "seriously flawed" and in what manner are they flawed"
ALL of them which focus on anything but the papal supremacy and creeping "mary as co redemptrix" are seriously flawed.
a. they attack doctrines Calvinist protestants reject (but Luther kept like Christ's Body and Blood real presence in the Eucharist)
b. they never attack the filioque which Rome added to the Creed.
c. they ridiculously equate Rome with the antichrist ignoring everything the Bible says about the antichrist, and/or spiritualize these using the hermeneutic of heresy which can make the Bible say anything you want it to about anything. While you think you are "bible believing" you are in fact a believer in these authors.
Constance, First off, you do not have to apologize for your explanations.
Secondly, I would like to think that you are encouraged by the support that a number have sent your direction, in spite of Dorothy and Cristine. You have people who do come here to read you. I've sent folks here myself. May have to send them elsewhere though.......
I get it about Dorothy's envy and distain for the prophetic understanding that we can gather from what has happened in the infiltration of the new age--it fits the times in which we are living and she has her opinion and that is on her if she wants to devalue that. Don't care. She has been insulting to you, which I think is terrible of her. Just stay then!!
What I do not understand is how, when you have had to call out Ms Erikson on many abuses in her posting "style", that you have not rebuked her for her deplorable behaviors toward the topics themselves, and your other guests, making her stop.
Her abuses are with style yes, and....most important, with substance. How you are missing this is baffling.
But she is "warm hearted"? (how sweet..)
Not to the truth, though.
Plus, greatly hindering the message and subsequent warnings that should be paramount here.
So who knew?........since we (aka "you people") get the very opposite in her caustic lectures. She casts confusion liberally over every thread. And this sits well with you????????
Apparently she was not "warm hearted" in judging Grant from New Zealand, but we have come to expect that response from her while she enjoys your gentle "rebuke" with pat on the head approval, that enables her more time and opportunity to sledgehammer and machete our posts, opinions, and beliefs, very much misrepresenting them and us. Since when is the message supposed to be obscured by personalities and favoritisms?
This should be a place for real discussion of real topics so she beats Dorothy hands down as the single worst contributor on your blog.
But if that rests easy with you, then we can all collapse comments alright. Collapse them down to none and read your front page only because the heap of ruins Ms Erikson leaves of this place isn't worth the time to slog through. I'm wondering if it is worth the effort these days. I'll discontinue sending links and articles here because they are not hitting their target as long as Cristine reigns in her virtual unreal world here.
We have real lives and no time for this nonsense..we have real lives to you know..
11:31....
What you are suggesting re: cataloging info is MUCH easier done on a discussion forum. This blog can be linked to it quite easily. Here's how it could work:
Constance writes her blog, with comments turned off, and all discussion happens over at the forum in a setting where it is much easier to sort, search and dialog.
In fact, each time Constance posts a new blog post, that same post can be pinned to the top of the discussion forum, with the blog title as the "topic". Discussion about that post can happen there, just like it does here. But other threads can be started that are not related to the post, and that way information just kind of organizes itself. It really does work quite well if the participants are adult enough to keep threads on topic.
I can't for the life of me figure out why something like that hasn't been done yet. There are other forums that have "New Age" sections, like Fulfilled Prophecy (Herb Peters' - and now his daughter Holly's site), but no place I know of is exclusively set up for just New Age discussion and research. Maybe doing it like this, on Blogger, presents the smallest "target" for hackers and others who would want to shut a site like that down, so maybe in that regard, the current blog is still best. I know what it's like to have a wealth of information disappear, and because the site admins didn't have good backups, all of it was gone forever. This blog currently is Google-run, and I'm sure every word and IP address is backed up in triplicate.
That point aside, I think there REALLY needs to be a New Age research forum. If I had the time, and with Constance's permission, I'd set one up today.
Another great tool for us would be one like what David Horowitz uses at his Discover the Networks site (the Java-based app that visually shows links between people and organizations and funding). But there's a large investment in time and money to get something like that going.
Christine,
So, for example, Lorraine Boettner's "Roman Catholicism" which laboriously cites Roman Catholic doctrines and dogmas, from their own official, Rome sanctioned writings, as it compares to Scripture, is "seriously flawed" in your opinion? The ONLY issues are "papal supremacy and creeping "mary as co redemptrix" ?
For literally hundreds of years, Bible commentators, the Reformers, etc. ... virtually all ... named the SEAT of the Papacy as that of the Anti-Christ. Apparently, you know (surprise, surprise) know much more than them.
"For literally hundreds of years, Bible commentators, the Reformers, etc. ... virtually all ... named the SEAT of the Papacy as that of the Anti-Christ. Apparently, you know (surprise, surprise) know much more than them."
which you prefer to Scripture. that's your problem. Scripture says the antichrist
will be a ruler who demands worship for which he will issue a mark consisting of
one of three things, his number, his name or a symbol he has adopted. And without
this you can't legally engage in buying in selling (that would include barter).
no pope has ever done this or tried to do this.
Scripture also describes the antichrist as ONE INDIVIDUAL, not a succession of
individuals, not a system, political or economic. Throw out your books or set
them aside, and read the Bible. There is no fit between the RC (whatever else is
wrong with it) and the antichrist.
Blogger Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
ray b
"While you think you are "bible believing" you are in fact a believer in these authors."
11:34 AM
Typical, judgmental, unfounded assertion that Christine makes. She knows NOTHING about me, in fact, she doesn't even have a clue. Yet, in typical fashion, she concludes that I am not a Bible believer !
Just remember one thing Christine, by the manner that YOU judge others, you too will be judged.
ray b,
"She knows NOTHING about me, in fact, she doesn't even have a clue. Yet, in typical fashion, she concludes that I am not a Bible believer ! "
you have shown where you are really coming from, not sola scriptura but sola Luther, Calvin, Bottner, Hislop, et. al. you believe the Bible is true but you depend
on these other people. They have become Scripture for you. THIS IS PROVEN BY WHAT YOU WRITE. your authority is not the Bible but a few measly centuries of "authorities."
Try sola scriptura for a change. read the whole Bible straight through stopping only to eat and sleep, not "through the Bible in a year" in your spare time.
If nothing else, read entire books of it at one sitting. With Strong's on the side.
Christine,
You have fallen for the lie that Rome invented in order to counter the Reformers' doctrinal position that the Papacy was in fact the seat of Anti-Christ .. that lie is the false doctrinal system called "Futurism" which was the basis for the false, modern system of Dispensationalism, from which came the false "secret" pre-trib rapture doctrine.
Of course if you believe that Rome is just another, benign, "Christian" denomination, then you will have a very difficult time believing anything contrary about them. However, if you actually know Christian history and realize what this system has wrought upon Bible Believers for centuries, you will realize they are capable of virtually anything. Bible Believers REALLY were tortured and burned at the stake for holding to Bible TRUTH. For centuries, the Bible REALLY was on Rome's list of "Forbidden Books." The Inquisition REALLY did rage on in Europe for 620 years.
Here is just one clue regarding the Papacy as "Anti-Christ." The Pope is called "His Holiness" and the "Holy Father" .. titles that belong ONLY to God Himself. You can take it from their if you wish.
Dorothy does has something to contribute, I wish she would get over her attitude. It isn't good.
But Chrsitine Erikson? No.
She's the worst, by far. No friend to Constance, or this topic.
Ray B
My position is not futurism or preterism but what I think is called historicism. Some prophecies have been fulfilled, some have not. Both futurism and preterism
remove the RCC from the classification as antichrist because either he hasn't
come or he's been and gone.
As for Holy Father that might be a bit over the top, but that is part of the papal supremacy thing which IS a legitimate issue. John says that antichrist will come but
there are many antichrists, the inventors of heresy. THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS THAT HE IS THE CORINTHIANS' FATHER IN THE FAITH BECAUSE HE CONVERTED THEM. Also the term
"master" is in use in the Bible referring to slave owners. Obviously the issue with what Jesus said had to do with the attitude by and towards the arrogant Pharisees.
Ray, you have taken, whether you realize it or not, Bottner, Hislop etc. as your
holy fathers and masters. so go check your facts and their Bible cites and get those cites IN CONTEXT. 5 to 20 verses before and 5 - 20 verses after and find everything else the Bible has to say. better yet, read each book at one sitting.
Hislop meanwhile DID NOT QUOTE HIS SOURCES ACCURATELY. Supposedly Christmas goose is because it was eaten only in winter in Egypt. But the source actually says, beef and goose, because of lack of refrigeration, could only be eaten in winter in Egypt and similar climates. Woodwards "Babylon connection?" details some of this.
Thanks 12:01 for understanding what I tried to suggest. You understand the importance of the large scale exposure of the New Age network. Do you think there are enough of us who care to work on this?
Constance I saw what was going on years before I came in contact with you. I was exposing what was going on in a school system, warning others about the feminist movement, Humanism and communist front activity, thanks to a major researcher, and learning about the pro-life movement and becoming an activist in it. Your information added another part to the picture of why change was taking place. Please don't distort by implication what I wrote in this comment section. Although your information is very important, there were activists for truth in the world before you came to prominence.
There is no point in an open public dialogue here with you. You are a human being with human weaknesses. Comments I might make would only detract from exposure of the New Age movement, and I've spent too many years trying to expose it to let that happen. Your comments about me do the same though that doesn't seem to bother you. I will point out that you had no problem in associating with me for decades as long as I was part of your Court, praising you to others, telling them about your fight against the New Age movement, sending you countless packages of information that I copied on copiers I bought to spread the word, telling others about this blog on Facebook and on my email list, posting information about the New Age movement on this blog, buying used copies of your book to give to others and much more. Oh yes, I was a True Believer, ignoring what I didn't want to know. What I got in return others shouldn't know, even Christine who asked me through Facebook what I knew. That you are the face of the fight against the New Age movement is important. Those of us who have been around for decades know your public story. Repeat it for those who haven't been around. I believed it all for decades because it is part of everything and so will they. There is no question you are an extremely intelligent person, a serious researcher. You are proud of your reputation as an opponent of the New Age movement but anyone who hints you are not the be-all and end-all will be the subject of your wrath. As I said, you are human with human weaknesses. You are not a neutral academic, if such a thing exists any more.
Things that should be considered: Conservatives are the target of New Age networks for the same reason Christians and Jews were targeted in the Nazi era. They are opposition to government control. They are proponents for freedom of speech, action, and individual pursuits. However as in the Nazi era conservatives can be used for government control. The goal remains one world control through propaganda. The Fabian idea that provision must be made for dissidents hasn't changed. There are dissidents being controlled on the right and on the left. It is behind why both Republicans and Democrats seem to work together. While it is extremely hard, discussion must remain open with informed individuals in the public arena to keep a balance. As long as the public remains dumbed down, control can come in from the right or the left. Hoping so-called leaders will do what needs to be done for the mob who have been controlled through propaganda can only lead to disaster.
Ray B,
Rome did some persecution, true, though modern research shows the Inquisition was
nothing like it was presented by propagandists in England, either in body count or
general severity.
Are you acquainted with how much torture, looting and mass murder the protestants
did against the romanists? Neither side ever had clean hands. So it is time to let
bygones be bygones, but never forget the romanists consider that everyone's salvation
depends on being under the pope, acknowledging him as the one connection through Peter to Christ.
And that they want to rule over all. So while doctrines are mixed and most practices are okay, as an institution it should be watched.
As I said regarding some Orthodox priests, get the sacraments and get out. don't get
too close to or too dependent on individuals who are clergy.
Christine, like the KGB the Inquisition didn't kill all that many people but an entire continent lived in dread of them.
Hi Christine,
I didnt see your original comments but have no idea where you could possibly think that I would agree with anything new age.
The burden of proof or onus in a debate lies with the claim-maker, and if he or she does not meet it, the opponent does not need to argue against the unfounded claim.
Given I am very actively involved in exposeing false teaching which is the complete opposite of your assertions I am at a total loss to understand you.
I dont want to mistake for malice that which should be attributed to ignorance.
Please consider the dangers of harbouring unforgiveness from a Biblical stance.
The whole world is not against you.
God bless,
Grant Sutton
New Zealand
You nailed her once again, Grant.
Constance here is your red flag.
And the daily round we all get from your pet, Chritine.
Her lecturing response to Grant is ridiculous, don't you agree?
This belongs on your blog?
read those links! this is a dead serious situation developing! the associations and the teaching itself of Viola is very bad.
scroll down to "Frank Viola shared his glowing endorsement of William Paul Young author of The Shack, saying this and much more, " http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/Devilconsort.htm which is an article on the http://truthwithsnares.org/category/organic-church-real-or-compost/ list.
NEW AGE IS NOT JUST POLITICS! it is theology that is subtly or overtly neopagan whether there is any contemplative prayer or not!
Blogger Christine Erikson (aka Justina) @ 4:25 PM said...
Ray B,
"Rome did some persecution, true, though modern research shows the Inquisition was nothing like it was presented by propagandists in England, either in body count or general severity."
Interesting way that you have of putting things "Rome did some persecution." For 620 years, the Inquisition raged on in Europe. During those centuries, to fall into their hands meant torture and a brutal death for those Bible believers that refused to recant. To deny that is to denigrate those that gave up their lives for the faith.
Rome has always been extremely active in re-writing and distorting history. With Protestantism on the wane (apostasy), it is not surprising at all that "modern" historians (Catholic) would attempt to revise church history.
Ray B
of course you didn't address the identical behavior by protestants against
RC, Jews, and Baptists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revision_of_the_Inquisition
It sure is! And why, with your bad theology, you have nothing to bring to the table in the discussion.
You need to know the Author of the Book first before you can speak for Him in biblical issues.
Craig has told you that before, and Grant has you pegged as well.
And The Shack is a book that Mary Christine Erikson could have written going by things she writes here.
anon 8:28
if Grant has such discernment what is he doing recommending Frank Viola?
"In recent posts on this blog we have noticed that emerging church leader Leonard Sweet has links to the NAR.[3] The co-author of his book, Frank Viola, also has roots in the NAR. He has been connected with the House2House group, a movement that is ostensibly about "house" churches, but in reality is concerned with building the networking apostolic cellular model of church for the purpose of building the kingdom of God on earth.
This is the same Dominionist goal that is characteristic of the NARLeonard Sweet endorsed one of Frank Viola's earlier books, Reimagining Church: Pursuing the Dream of Organic Christianity, by connecting it to the idea of "God's Dream," an increasingly common metaphor.[12] Viola has also authored From Eternity to Here: Rediscovering the Ageless Purpose of God, described as "a whole new way of looking at the Scriptures, at Jesus, at the church, and at me,"[13] and endorsed by such Emergent leaders"
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/010/discernment/7-sweet-apostolic-emergent.htm
http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-pagan-christianity-reviewed.htm
Blogger Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
Ray B
of course you didn't address the identical behavior by protestants against
RC, Jews, and Baptists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revision_of_the_Inquisition
7:54 PM
Historicial Revision on Wikipedia !! LOL!! Great source Christine.
So now you are claiming the Protestants had an Inquisition that lasted 620 years?
You really have very little credibility in here ... I'm learning why that is.
Blogger Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said @ 1:14 PM ...
"THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS THAT HE IS THE CORINTHIANS' FATHER IN THE FAITH BECAUSE HE CONVERTED THEM."
Paul NEVER said he was the Father of the Corinthians ... and he NEVER claimed to "convert" anyone.
Where do you get some of the stuff that post?
Grant can be brought up to speed and Constance is good to help us all with that.
You, however, need to know the Lord in the first place. That is why your discernment is zilch.
RayB, She makes it up as she goes..
She does not get the Bible.
Doesn't stop her "screeching preeching" though, does it?
Blogger Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said to RayB @ 1:14 PM ...
"Ray, you have taken, whether you realize it or not, Bottner, Hislop etc. as your
holy fathers and masters."
The ONLY "Holy Father" I recognize is God the Father. Whether I read Calvin, Luther, Boettner, Hislop, Spurgeon, etc., etc. I always believe the Bible is the final authority. For example; I reject the fact that Calvin believed in baptizing infants. I reject Luther's belief (which late in life he admitted he made too much of) that Christ had a "real presence" in the elements of communion.
I find it amazing too that you are so judgmental on me (and many others) but state that the Pope having the title of "Holy Father" "might be a bit over the top." It isn't a "bit over the top" at all ... it is flat out blasphemy of the highest order!
All those that truly love God are jealous for His honor, those that pay Him only lip service are not bothered by such things.
ray b
as I said they didn't have a formal structure for inquisition they just did it.
the total body count is probably not much different.
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012/03/thirty-years-war-and-protestants.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Drogheda#Killing_of_prisoners
http://www.skepticfiles.org/xhate/martyr-1.htm list of Catholics killed by protestants or similar for their RC faith, mostly in England. hanged drawn and
quartered process explained below the site is compiling lists on everyone.
http://www.wayoflife.org/database/protestantpersecutions.html protestants initially supported infant baptism and executed supporters of adult only baptism the Anabaptists.
http://papastronsay.blogspot.com/2010/09/bloody-protestant-persecution-of.html
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/protestant-inquisition-reformation.html
I haven't even skimmed this an online book the table of contents shows it is worth reading.
"The ONLY "Holy Father" I recognize is God the Father. Whether I read Calvin, Luther, Boettner, Hislop, Spurgeon, etc., etc. I always believe the Bible is the final authority. For example; I reject the fact that Calvin believed in baptizing infants. I reject Luther's belief (which late in life he admitted he made too much of) that Christ had a "real presence" in the elements of communion. "
while you say that with your lips your actions betray your heart. you take the Bible as true AS INTERPRETED BY THESE PEOPLE. for instance, you reject the "real
presence" yet this is far more likely true given Christ's words, Paul's warnings of ill health even death from partaking without perceiving the Lord Jesus Christ's Body,
and the testimony of men trained by men one of whom knew the Apostle John and another old enough to have known him, coming from Europe and Asia, so the received
understanding was the same: REAL PRESENCE. Irenaeus c. AD 180, Justin Martyr AD 150.
The miracle of Lanciano definitely confirms it (and rebukes the ORthodox idea that
unleavened bread cannot make a valid Eucharist, without proving leavened is thereby invalid.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Lanciano#Investigations there
has been only one modern examination, but it is significant.
The idea of non presence developed only in reformation times with I think one heretical group which were gnostic in ancient times having this view.
Thanks. I'm convinced. I will be setting up my own site with information I've gathered about the New Age network over decades. I trust, as suggested, that Constance will link to it. Do copy this. As Constance has said over the years, now you see it now you don't where information about New Age connections are connected.
RayB,
The Reformers took the Scarlet Woman of Revelation to be the Roman Catholic church. She is clearly a spiritual entity who dominates the world. There is an associated reference to seven hills which obviously matches Rome, the Roman Catholic church was doing its best to kill evangelical Christians ie protestants, and Catholic powers such as Spain and Portugal were conquering a good deal of the New World. It's not surprising that the Reformers identified her as the RC church and the 'best' man of Revelation as the Pope.
In the light of another 500 years of history, though, were they right? Catholic powers did not go on to conquer the whole world and indeed the Roman Catholic church had been in headlong retreat in Europe for 200 years. Moreover new possibilities for the identity of the scarlet woman have been proposed (and not by Rome): an endtime New Age religious system, and the world financial system. As for the seven hills, Istanbul/Constantinople was also set on seven hills, is the geographic key to Europe from Asia and vice-versa, and has already been the capital of the Roman Empire (form Constantine's time) and of the Islamic Empire.
I'm a protestant and I don't believe the Scarlet Woman is the Church of Rome. I think for myself and I know how to filter out Catholic propaganda. Please at least consider these alternative identifications.
Hi Christine,
You need to be honest and not make false allegations.
Actually read what I said ... I asked if anybody had read the book (intent being soliciteing opinion) and finished off by saying I dont endorse the book (intent ... I dont endorse it).
See below in speech marks exact quotes from my comment
"Have any of you read ....
Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna (Barna Books, 2008)
It talks about Pagan origins of things found in the church systems"....
"What I think is useful is to actually encourage you to think about the when, how and why of much we do in churches versus the New Testament early Church example.
I am not endorseing the book but it does expose historical pagan roots."
Christine you read things into things that are not there which is "paranoia" or just plain dishonesty.
Your flawed logic would brands anyone a heretic who reads something in your opinion as non orthodox or from an author who might even know someone dubious...talk about guilt by association.
Gosh Constance probably has the largest library in the USA on the New Age and shes read most if it...what does that make her... and shes shared the stage with dubious people to.
I am known in my country for repentence preaching and being anti hypergrace the exact opposite of your false assertions.
Continueing to take and make statements and comments out of context does little for your reputation.
My real concern is when people approach the Bible in a similar manner.
God bless,
Grant
New Zealand
Hi all,
Has anyone thought of creating a bog that is simply a exact copy of Constances and stateing that it is.
For the sole purpose of banning crazed commentators etc.
Constance could go on and comment of course and not have to grapple with censoring bloggamaniacs because someone else will.
Christine you say that you are Eastern Orthodox
Some maintain the Eastern Orthodox church rejects the Bible's teaching that man is in spiritual bondage due to the corruption of his nature through the fall of Adam. Therefore the Eastern Orthodox church also rejects the doctrine of the imputed guilt of all mankind, having sinned in Adam. Eastern Orthodoxy teaches that men are guilty only for their own sins rather than being already under condemnation as a consequence of Adam's fall, before they have done any good or evil of their own.
Authentic Christianity, in contrast, declares the doctrine of original sin and the guilt of all men in Adam, and the necessity of the person and work of Christ as the Second Adam who redeems them from that condemnation:
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned - (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:12-19)
Could this be part of your problem in understanding grace
Christine, I have to be offline for several hours due to other pressing family matters and once again, you flood this site. I've begged you to use restraint. What will it take?
Constance
how else am I to deal with the Catholic bashers? Enough of the subject then.
they have the information. As for Eastern Orthodox, there are modern notions
crept in that are like what anon 8:24 says but are no part of what the Liturgy
and other ancient prayers say (what you believe shapes your prayers) not to
mention writers like Symeon the New Theologian. There is also some confusion
in some writers now between personal guilt for Adam's sin and inherited warp
of human nature acquired from Adam's sin.
Constance, these issues though they may be in a "denominational" context are
exactly also new age issues, HOW Scripture is handled or mishandled, the notions
getting into protestant churches and into Catholicism that are essentially
what Alice Bailey would have been talking about when she said the churches will
bring in the New Age or be a big part of it.
Grant, its not paranoia. its knowing manipulation and subtlety when I see it.
you started being very nice to me then start slipping in little offbeat ways of
handling Scripture. This is Viola's style and it accelerates. There is more to
Viola than just house church vs. denominational churches, which looks attractive
if you are bugged by New Age type Christianity sneaking into your church you are
used to. But the house church movement is the second arm of the pincher movement.
Constance, have you forgotten that New Age is first and foremost spiritual and
the politics are just a way of shall we say "enforcing" it?
Ray B
""THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS THAT HE IS THE CORINTHIANS' FATHER IN THE FAITH BECAUSE HE CONVERTED THEM."
Paul NEVER said he was the Father of the Corinthians ... and he NEVER claimed to "convert" anyone.
Where do you get some of the stuff that post?"
I Cor. 4:14, 15 "....as my beloved sons I warn you, For though ye have ten thousand
instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have
begotten you through the gospel."
you have just proven my point, Ray B, you do NOT know the Bible like you think
you do, you know only what has been handed to you. running from one Bible limiter
(Rome) you cling to another (various authors with an agenda and you don't read it
enough for yourself.)
Constance, I am not going to post for 12 days to make up for 12 posts.
check out transformational festivals creepy
You are totally correct RayB, Paul converted no one. It is the work of the Holy Spirit that anyone becomes born again (saved, converted, pardoned, and other such terms) as Jesus clearly said to Nicodemus in John Chp 3. By water is our natural human birth and by the Spirit is our supernatural (spiritual) birth, that is the born again (2nd) birth.
I think Christine just showed us what is wrong with her bible understanding. She was converted by human means, not by means of the Holy Spirit's impartation of the Gospel of Christ Jesus.
She's "churched" but does not appear to be born again by the Spirit of the Living God.
Mary Christine Erikson needs that 2nd birthday from the Lord.
And only then she will understand........
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Hi Christine,
I pointed you to my original comment that stated I did not endorse Viola (I thought you had missed what I actually said and made an honest mistake).
Again it has been clearly pointed out to you that you are totally misrepresenting what was said yet everyone is able to see my comment that states I dont endorse Viola.
I raise this not in the vain of defending myself but rather pointing to your trait to malign others and misrepresent the truth.
Regardless of the facts pointed out to you make another post to the contrary.
Obviously you didnt make a honest mistake but are being delibrately dishonest for reasons unclear.
I venture to say that your real problem/issue has nothing to do with really anything I or anyone else say here.
Please get some help ... there must be a good Church near you... I refered you to a website contact that might be of help awhile ago.
No matter what we have done or others have done to us if we repent , forgive and recieve forgiveness we can be made righteous in Jesus Christ.
With love in Christ
Grant
New Zealand
To all:
The TARGETS of the NEW AGE MOVEMENT clearly are JEWS, CHRISTIANS, and MOSLEMS. In the seminal writings of the Movement (Foster Bailey, Alice Bailey, Blavatsky) Catholics are considered probably the leading threat to New Age implementation. I have cited Alice Bailey's (Djwhal Khul) writings in the Appendix of THE RAYS AND THE INITIATIONS, p.
There are certain areas of evil in the world today
through which these forces of darkness can reach humanity.
What they are and where they are I do not intend to say.
I would point out, however, that Palestine should no longer
be called the Holy Land; its sacred places are only the
passing relics of three dead and gone religions. The spirit
has gone out of the old faiths <1nd the true spiritual light
is transferring itself into a new form which will manifest on
earth eventually as the new world religion. To this form
all that is true and right and good in THE OLD FORMS will
contribute, for the forces of right will withdraw that good,
and incorporate it in the new form. Judaism is old, obsolete
and separative and has no true message for the spiritually minded which cannot be better given by the newer faiths;
the Moslem faith has served its purpose and all true Moslems
await the coming of the Imam Mahdi who will lead
them to light and to spiritual victory; the Christian faith
also has served its purpose; its Founder seeks to bring a new
Gospel and a new message that will enlighten all men
everywhere. Therefore. Jerusalem stands for nothing
of importance today, except for that which has passed
away and should pass away. The " Holy Land" is no
longer holy, but is desecrated by selfish interests, and by a
basically separative and conquering nation.
The task ahead of humanity is to close the door upon
this worst and yet secondary evil and shut it in its own
place. ..
There are many references in Bailey and Blavatsky specifically targeting the Vatican as its main enemy -- but they also predicted that one day they would under "Master Jesus" (false prophet?) take that over.
Constance
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/125327f0-8485-11e5-8095-ed1a37d1e096.html#axzz3qpCYxRho
Yes, Constance most definitely, an enemy from without.
But there is also an enemy from within to beware of.
Making merchandise, of what only Christ could pay the price for, is a mockery.
Pray for the Light to shine upon all darkness and error wherever it may be found, exposing it, that it may be healed.
Dorothy's knowledge of the New Age is monumental. I hope things get back into shape at this blog. We will not always have Constance and Dorothy with us, I am sad to say. I hope to learn from both of them while I still can.
Constance said @ 10:33 PM
"In the seminal writings of the Movement (Foster Bailey, Alice Bailey, Blavatsky) Catholics are considered probably the leading threat to New Age implementation."
"There are many references in Bailey and Blavatsky specifically targeting the Vatican as its main enemy -- but they also predicted that one day they would under "Master Jesus" (false prophet?) take that over."
It should not be surprising that Catholicism would have been considered "probably" the leading threat to the New Age leaders. Roman Catholicism is a highly organized religious system that is a global economic and political power. As a political/religious nation state, it operates under the guise of traditional "religion." Throughout its history, Rome has always been about ruling and lording over others, in fact, within their doctrinal system exists the teaching that the Papacy will one day rule the world (that the pope is the "king of kings" and on earth "the Pope has no equal"). Consequently, the New Age leaders would certainly recognize the Papacy as a serious threat to their movement. But New Age opposition should not be used in such a way as to validate Roman Catholicism. Having a "bad" enemy does not automatically validate one as "good." Take for example the centuries old fight in the Muslim world between the Sunnis and Shiites. Both sides believe that they are on the “right” side and consider the other the "enemy" ... yet both sides are invalidated because they are both enemies of Christ.
The real test for Roman Catholicism should not be how New Age movement leaders view it, but rather, how does its self-proclaimed authoritative declarations square with the supreme authority of God's Word?
Whow,
Do the math only 8 comments since Christine went off air some days ago (twelve days promised).
When things start up again perhaps someone could calculate a word content count per comment ratio of Christines comments versus everyone elses to determine the dominance ratio of the blog.
I think her calculations are off. Instead of 1 day off for each post, it should be 1 month.
So for starters, 12 months free of her posts may let others feel free to return and get real conversation going here once again.
The lulls here on this blog only show how much actual conversation was stifled as long as she is allowed to get away with her hijack mode. Might take a bit to get it going again as people may wonder if it is safe to venture out here without her constant interference.
I'm working on my new post. Had the long delayed MRI done on my left leg yesterday -- my doctor can't see me until they fax him the results, even though the diagnostic clinic sent me home with a CD of the imaged results.
Thanks for your patience!
Constance
Ray,
Bad as they might be, do Catholics deny Jesus is the Christ?
Do they deny He was come "in the flesh"?
Those were basic tests of the spirit of antichrist (1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:3)
Personally, I believe there are two flawed versions of the Gospel out there:
1. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be a member of the ABC Church and thou shalt be saved.
2. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be a member of the NBC Church and thou shalt be saved.
ABC = ANYTHING BUT CATHOLIC
NBC = NOTHING BUT CATHOLIC
As I recall hearing the Gospel, it was BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED.
Dave Hunt for all his Catholic bashing was strangely enough loved by the New Age Catholics. If you don't believe me, pick up the Classics of Western Theology volume on William Law and look at the recommended books in the back of that book. As I recall, he came against Cardinal Ratzinger for starting a "new inquisition" for precisely the same cause he and were fighting -- Cardinal Ratzinger fought the New Age Movement within the Catholic Church. Check out the all start New Age cast of the editorial board of CLASSICS OF WESTERN THEOLOGY (Paulist Press published).
Dave Hunt, interestingly, promoted occultist and translator WILLIAM LAW. Law was the translastor of occultist Jacob Boehme's books. Boehme was Madame Blavatsky's inspiration for Theosophy. Law's portrait of THE ILLUMINATION OF JACOB BOEHME appears in the plates of Manley Palmer Hall's books on occultism and secret societies.
There was a lot more going on there than many of us understand and it was on MANY INSIDIOUS FRONTS.
Constance
12:23 PM
Constance, the gospel goes on: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12). Yet in the papal encyclical Ubi Primum of 1849 we read this: Mary, ever lovable and full of grace, always has delivered the Christian people from their greatest calamities and from the snares and assaults of all their enemies, ever rescuing them from ruin… The foundation of all Our confidence… is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary. Alter the references to Mary to "Jesus Christ" and this would be superb doctrine. Unfortunately,...
Constance,
I appreciate and respect what you are saying. However, throughout my years as a Bible believing Christian (35 Years and counting), I have dealt with numerous types of people that were members of a religious group. Just to name a few: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Liberal Protestants, SDAs, Catholics, Jewish people (both religious and non),etc. Virtually all would agree (except for Jews) that "Jesus is the Christ." Only (as far as I know) the JWs would deny that "Jesus is come in the flesh" and when I show them that verse it is ALWAYS a shocking surprise to them. None of the above hold to the supreme authority of the Scriptures for all matters of faith and practice.
I do not fall into either of "ABC" or "NBC." Also, I am not a "follower" of Dave Hunt. In fact, I have never read any of his books, but am somewhat familiar with him.
I have a love for the Catholic people, as I do for any "religious" person that is trusting in something other than the Christ of the Bible. You being an attorney can appreciate this; I've posted this account before .. I have two friends (90 year old twin brothers) that are Catholics from birth, both practicing attorneys. For the last 15+ years, we have had numerous discussions, often about political issues, but just as often, religious as well. They both have expressed the belief that they were "born again" because they were baptized as infants (actually, they asked me about it, after I explained the new birth and its purpose 'we are dead in sins', they asked their Priest and he assured them they were BA via baptism). They also have been taught that they will have to have their souls cleansed in Purgatory. I can go on, but will only add that these are two very educated, dedicated Catholics that have almost a total ignorance of the Bible. These two are NOT the exception; I have NEVER met a Catholic (and I have known literally hundreds) that has assurance that they have been forgiven through the finished work and shed blood of Jesus Christ. I know the peace that only Christ can provide, and the hope of eternal life is a sure hope because of his grace and mercy. Catholics are on a foundation of shifting sand, because in spite of modern church rhetoric, their "salvation" is based on a system of religious works.
(continued)
The true test for all that profess to be "believers" is .. what is their attitude concerning the word of God? Why? Because if a person is truly "born again" of the Spirit of God, they will certainly respond to what the Holy Spirit has written for the benefit of His people. The significance of this cannot be stressed enough (please read John 8 beginning @ 31 thru 59 .. where Jesus explains to these Jewish "believers" in Him what a true believer really is). Also, consider the Parable of the Sower in Mark 4:3-20.
True Christianity is based on God's mercy and grace that applies the imputed righteousness of Christ to the believer via the new birth. False religion ignores the necessity of the true new birth, and, rather, sets to bind its followers to their religious/works system. Catholicism offers a false hope, because they offer a false Christ.
A person can fight against all kinds of evil in this world, including that which is the New Age movement ... and still be lost eternally. Without the new birth and Christ's imparted righteousness, there is simply no assured hope for anyone. A false assurance, based on religion, may give one some degree of peace here, but it will not suffice on the Last Day.
If anybody thinks the New Age Movement is not alive, well and clearly in revolutionary mode, I give you the events today at Missouri State University, its demands to bring down their clearly Christian president. They are describing it "as a movement."
Constance
Constance and others,
As I see it, the "revolutionary mode" does not have at its pinnacle something called the New Age Movement. It IS the pinnacle - the revolt against God and His Truth. The New Age Movement is a part of that revolt, but so is Communism, Atheism, Islamism, and all other destructive ideologies that are rampaging throughout the modern world.
Cliff Kincaid's latest book (which I'm trying to finish up hopefully this week) is a good primer for what is happening. It's called "The Sword of Revolution and the Communist Apocalypse." This can be found on Amazon. So far, it is about the dialectic that Communists have used to dupe the West. I wish it was more broadly written, as the title seemed to suggest.
Jeff Nyquist has coauthored (with Benjamin Baruch) a new book out called "The New Tactics of Global War: Reflections on the Changing Balance of Power in the Final Days of Peace." This looks to be interesting as well, and is next on my reading list. It can be ordered here:
https://www.createspace.com/5677533
Paul Kengor has written a very good book recently called "Takedown: From Communists to Progressives, How the Left Has Sabotaged Family and Marriage." This is another good book to read to help one get a glimpse of the coming New Age of Barbarism, to borrow Constance's own phrase from decades ago.
The threads from Communism, the New Age Movement, the Far Left, the Far Right, and any other ideology that seeks to build a new world, with the expressed or implied destruction of part or all of the old world as part of their vision, form a formidable enemy that is just getting ready to bust out of the starting gate. Everything leading to the present time has been preparatory - training, if you will. Soon, the bell will ring and whatever dark horse has been created will spring from the starting gate, and we will be entering a new Dark Age.
Neither that horse, nor any of the other ones from the darkness will win, however. There is another horse....
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords....
Amen!
Hi RayB,
I agree.
People mistake religion for Christianity.
True repentance and the new birth with Jesus as both Lord and Saviour are key to genuine Christianity.... thats when you see a persons life changed as the scripture says...
2Cor 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new.
Churches and denominations of every kind have attendees that are not born again, convinced they are saved by adherence to law and tradition.
Talk with them about biblical repentance and watch the vehement opposition raise up in them.
Genuine christians have absolutely no problem talking about sin because they know they are sinners saved by the grace of God and not their own merits...
Eph 2:8-9 for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, that no one would boast.
Christ forfilled the righteous requirements of the Law "being without sin" He died for our sins.
(Remembering this does not excuse any to lawlessness).
I will now wait for eventual salvo of comments in opposition to my quotes of scripture claiming that I am pro hypergrace rather than the biblical message of repentance from sin and its deadworks that I am really advocateing.
The real answer to opposeing the New Age is for the true Gospel to be preached to the ends of the earth.
Fortunately I live in the ends of the earth ..New Zealand the last country before the south pole and most distant from Jeruselem on the globe.
Believe me when I say I live in a secular society displaying many New Age agenda traits in comparison to where many of the people on this blog reside... christainity hasn't really made an impact in my country but it needs to.
Oddly some strong christians have been raised up from New Zealand and established some good.
Ray Comfort is one of them
Anyway we all should be about our Fathers business which is preaching the true Gospel given that in these end times there is so much false gospel being preached.
Remember Jesus words " My Fathers kingdom is not of this world".
Beware of the kingdom builders and all the retoric and politics... its not of the Lord and full of snares.
God bless,
Grant
New Zealand
Sarah Leslie just reposted an article she wrote 22 years ago at the 1993 Parliament of the World’s Religions:
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-great-global-gaia-conference-of-1993.html
An excerpt:
The World Council of Churches held a 7th Assembly in Canberra, Australia, in February 1991. For all practical purposes, it appears that this was the prelude for the Chicago Parliament of Religions. According to one report: “Liberation theologies… re-read the Bible and re-interpret Christian tradition and theology from their experience of oppression and liberation. This must be the time we have to re-read the Bible from the perspective of birds, water, air, trees and mountains, the most wretched of the earth in our time. Learning to think like a mountain, changing our centre from human beings to all living beings, has become our ‘responsibility’ in order to survive.”
Hi Craig,
The old save the whales and dolphins tree hugging crowd that are really about the pro mass murder of millions to protect their mother earth from what they say are human weeds are behind most of this.
They are sucking in the new religious emergent contemplatives to their new age mantra.
People refuse to accept that original sin is the cause of the worlds problems and Jesus Christ is the only answer....but then the New Agers are comeing up with a false messiah to fit the revamped hippie love types.
Craig & 12:31 AM
Yes. That is why I sent the link of the Parliament of World Religions a thread or so back, about this years parliament in Salt Lake City. They are right on schedule with their new age mantra and their work is mainstreamed now.
It is all part of the falling away the Bible told us about in 2 Thess. Couple all of this with the UN and EU plans and the nations signed on (Obama has finished what was started) and we can see what time it is prophetically.
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