I'm watching the obscenely repeated news of insults to Christians in Indiana and Arkansas. For those who think nothing is happening (in apocalyptic terms), I suggest you read your newspapers and listen/watch mainstream news with the prophecies in mind of war against those who "keep the Faith of Jesus and the Commandments of God". It is becoming increasingly difficult in our Society which is now demanding we abandon biblical precepts and injunctions to "keep the patience of the Saints." (Revelation 14:12).
I am privileged to know one modern day political martyr to forces demanding we now beatify what for thousands of years was condemned in our society -- "same sex marriage", "civil unions" and public flaunting of unclothed, unmasked sexuality, sometimes even bordering on bestiality. Her name is Janice Daniels. She was the mayor of Troy, Michigan until she courageously expressed her traditional Christian beliefs against blatant and open homosexuality on her Facebook page. LGBT activists loudly howled and then successfully in a well funded effort recalled her as mayor of that important Detroit/Oakland County, Michigan suburb.
Again, as a veteran of the 60's/70's, the years I came fully of age, I must fondly reminisce about my generation, that although having its faults -- still had now largely unfashionable practices of getting married -- man to woman -- and keeping out of wedlock matters "discrete."
Probably that practice of not putting one's sexual business in another's face then wisely called "discretion" is now categorized as "hypocrisy." Maybe in some senses it was, but it certainly made life much more livable for all. Today, we have an ugly in your face Movement and suddenly First Amendment "freedom of religion" has taken a backseat to forcing people, e.g. judges and magistrates to perform same sex marriages, to perform acts that are directly contradictory to at least the Bible I grew up with.
As unfashionable as it now seems, as I recall Creation, it was "Adam and Eve" NOT "Adam and Steve; nor was it "MADAM AND EVE."
It is now increasingly clear to me that the prophesied war is in full swing progress against believers. The Scriptures also warned us that "my people perish for lack of knowledge." Towards that end, I have invited and Janice Daniels has accepted my invitation to be my internet radio guest this Saturday morning at 10 a.m. on the MicroEffect network. You can join us both live and in the chatroom by going to www.TMERADIO.com and/or www.themicroeffect.com.
I'm still working hard on the Hi-Jacking of Evangelicalism, Part VII article. I'm currently reading E. Stanley Jones' book, THE CHRIST OF THE AMERICAN ROAD towards that end. He was part of "the twelve" who along with Glenn Clark, Roland Gammon, Rufus Jones, Abraham (Abram) Vereide and others participated in the annual New Year's Day retreats at Marian Clark's embassy row mansion in Washington, D.C.
Tune in Saturday and please stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
376 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 376 of 376if you can't tell Christian spiritual warfare from new age rituals, you don't belong here.
in fact, you don't belong anywhere outside the anti demon section of a Christian website or
bookstore where you might learn something. Clearly you are new age.
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
You, Christine, have not the mind of Christ. Your mind of the flesh is carnal and futile and consumed in the new age. Your focus is upon them and your weapons fail. Mine are the above that I quoted from 2 Corinthians 10:4&5.
That is why it is easy to spot your new age stripes that give you away.
You don't belong here-period.
Spot on @6;23 AM!
"When one 'harps' on or concentrates on EVIL in such great detail, it makes one wonder just whose side you're on???"
Christine has steeped and stewed herself in this thinking for years. Talk about strongholds and imaginations that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God.
She feeds her soul from the dregs of every foul bird of thought and imagination and then vomits it here.
But she loves the Lord...(?)
Well so far we're all voting yes.
the cite you give is about controlling our own minds, but you are forgetting the other
half, warfare against demons, witchcraft and psychic influence, against astral robot and artifact constructs that lack personality
and run on their own and miasmas, field influence, etc.
try this for starters. It isn't just about our ideas or ideas we picked up from reading or hearing
people talk. read carefully. it is about the paranormal also.
"Ephesians 6:10-12 declares, “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so
that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh
and blood,"
NOTE THAT, NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, WHICH INCLUDES OUR OWN MINDS,
"but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark
world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” This text teaches some
crucial truths: we can only be strong in the Lord’s power, it is God’s armor that protects us, and
our battle is against spiritual forces of evil in the world.
A powerful example of someone strong in the Lord’s power is Michael, the archangel, in Jude 9
. Michael, likely the most powerful of all of God’s angels, did not rebuke Satan in his own
power, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Revelation 12:7-8 records that in the end times Michael
will defeat Satan. Still, when it came to his conflict with Satan, Michael rebuked Satan in
God’s name and authority, not his own. It is only through our relationship with Jesus Christ that Christians have any
authority over Satan and his demons. It is only in His Name that our rebuke has any power."
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/spiritual-warfare.html#ixzz3XE9Z1QU9
you might also take a look at Greg Reid's work. And google the subject. spell breaking too.
And don't think for a minute with your attitude and THE WAY YOU FIGHT ANYTHING THAT COULD FIGHT
NEW AGE ARGUMENTS MADE TO POTENTIAL NEW AGE CONVERTS, THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE NEW AGE
LOOK LESS CREDIBLE AND MAKE SOME NEW AGERS QUESTION WHAT THEY ACCEPTED, that you
are committed enough to Jesus Christ
that you have all wisdom and understand all things.
you don't.
you may be saved but you are not wise.
of course, you might not be Christian at all, just New Age deliberate moles here.
When I read a book called Mind Control from the 1920s or earlier some decades ago, TEACHING HOW TO
TELEPATHICALLY INFLUENCE PEOPLE, the one thing I
recall was that most people do not question a feeling or idea they think is your own.
The technique taught was, therefore, that instead of broadcasting "you want [whatever]"
the one influencing another should broadcast the idea "I want [whatever]."
Just because you think something, it may not originate with you. Just because you feel something, it may not originate with you.
Well thank you, Christine.
How well you proved my point for me.
You obviously have faith in yourself. (yourself as 'god').
The devil picked you off years ago and here you are doing his bidding--right on cue.
Nope, I got faith in Jesus, I call to Him innumerable times a day. I don't trust myself worth a damn.
She's also proved herself the liar she is by her continued desire for a longwinded brawl! The Lord rebuke you, blog hag!
I'm sorry for you, Christine. Your version of jesus cannot punch his way out of a wet paper bag.
The votes are in. It's a unanimous yes from all who participated and expressed or implied their desire for Christine to leave this blog.
Now do the decent thing Christine and go!
This isn't a longwinded brawl this is education and answering issues, The Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you underminer of any attack on the core new age problem!
And how about all the hogging you people do? on some occasions you or your kind have spent more
space denouncing me than I spent with the contribution that brought the denunciation.
How's that for hypocrisy? I am not going to drag on over the same points over and over like
Paul wanted to drag me into, especially with a dishonest person such as he seems to be. I am not going to deal with my
personal issues here.
(I notice no one took me up on my invitation to argue with me by
email privately, so you only wanted to "rebuke" me or get me to "repent" so you could start a
fight here.)
Christine, how dare you have a go at Paul! He humbly apologized to you and defended you on numerous occasions, no doubt honestly hoping you'd change. He came under alot of abuse from Frank and others for it. Yet what's sad is although Frank was often unpleasant and over the top he was spot on with exposing you.
Can you say Agent Provocateur?
I just say Jammer, but Troll is even easier.
@ paul 6:41 pm
infowolf says it all!
"education and answering issues"
Who told you it was your job to educate us?
The one with an issue here is guess who? You, the messenger constantly in the way of the message.
Jesus told us (the real One not your powerless "it's up to Christine" version) to be babes in evil. Well you are fully "graduated and degreed" in the ideas and tactics from the pit of hell where you got your "education".
The Lord educates us by his Holy spirit, not your unholy one.
And.......this is not your blog.
6:57 PM, couldn't have put it any better myself.
Sorry, holed up for a couple of days, finishing emergency work for clients and our own tax filing.
Constance
Re comments on the Harmonic Convergence:
It was on August 16, 1987. Barbara Marx Hubard, Jose Arguelles and many others were deeply involved in that worldwide New Age effort. Only a little after 2 months after, Barbara Marx Hubbard and Doug Coe co-chaired the Gold Lake Conference that I have written much about both here and at NewswithViews.com. You can bet the Gold Lake event had been long in the planning!
Constance
https://deadeyeblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/rouse-up-o-young-economists-of-the-new-age/#more-43
Karl Marx and free trade vs. the American System
blah blah blah...
Chritsine Erikson and the New Age Movement vs. the New Age Movement
Christine:
Stop deflecting and projecting.
We've ALL got your number.
Well, I counted at least 6 votes today to vote Christine off the island... at 6:34 AM; 10:24 AM; 2:57 PM; 5:24 PM; 5:37 PM; and 6:27 PM.
Does anyone want to make it 7?
"I notice no one took me up on my invitation to argue with me by
email privately,"
1)Engaging you would be pointless and instead of discussion you only argue which is rude and uncivil.
2)We actually have lives to live and time is a precious commodity.
and last but not least..
3)You have no real facts to argue or discuss anyway. (That, however, never stops you).
Sure is lonely at your blog isn't it?
And misery loves company..
count me in with a yes at 7, anon 9:57pm
Constance ~
Between the morning of April 13th and this morning, April 14th... there are 7 individuals who have voted Christine OFF this blog: at 6:34 AM; 10:24 AM; 2:57 PM; 5:24 PM; 5:37 PM; 6:27 PM; and 12:57 AM.
Will Mary Christine Erikson Aka Justina please leave this blog forum now without further comment? This is clearly the unanimous wish of the people!
Well, well, well, New Age Christine.... YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK, goodbye!
Constance ~
Christine has been systematically finding fault with your books, hissing empty lip service whilst sneeringly and arrogantly commenting about how they don't wallow sufficiently in the details of every filthy occult practice out there!
It's time for her to go!
Chritine's a perverse gnostic just like her hero, Fraudster Seraphim Rose!
Seraphim Rose is said to be Anti-semitic too!
anon 10:34
I was going to ignore you people for while but your latest slander is over the top.
"Christine has been systematically finding fault with your books, hissing empty lip
service whilst sneeringly and arrogantly commenting about how they don't wallow sufficiently in
the details of every filthy occult practice out there!"
who is one called slanderer in the Bible? and what nasty things are said against human
slanderers? what is slander but FALSE ACCUSATION?
Seraphim Rose was no gnostic, he was falsely accused of this by a retired clergyman of very dubious
clerical history who argued that
the toll house idea is gnostic on no basis or explanation leaving
me to guess that the concept of layers of stages to get to heaven resembled some gnostic notions of the afterlife.
I did not once give details of every occult practice, I mentioned what one of the people
running a magazine mentioned in A Planned Deception had claimed to have done. I dealt with the
possible EFFECTS not with how to do it and why it might work.
I recommended everyone re read both of Constance's books and started on one of them, and found
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT STUFF I HAD EITHER FORGOTTEN OR HAD NOT UNDERSTOOD THE IMPLICATIONS OF
WHEN I READ IT. I called it to everyone's attention as being important.
If that's your idea of "systematically finding fault," then the next time someone
compliments you on
anything, or says you had a great idea that should be put to work,
I suggest you run out screaming you've been insulted.
I must be very dangerous to whatever evil you've been up to, to make such a fuss about me.
"I must be very dangerous to whatever evil you've been up to, to make such a fuss about me."
In your dreams! In your visions of grandeur I can see why you think that...
No. We are just very tired of your non-stop half truths or no truths posted here.
And what a lie to say that Constance material is not as comprehensive as yours. Go back and review the garbage print lady! You obscure truth with all the extra and unnecessary~add to that unwanted~distraction away from it because you really are a jammer just as you have been called. You strut here like it is your blog and manipulate topics (as recently with Craig's post) just to hammer in your pointless points.
You are not dangerous to me, or any of us who know the truth.
But your god-complex is dangerous to your own eternal soul. Do with that whatever you wish, you have a freewill, but hammering out your version of 'god' and 'truth' has been very often caught with it's dirty pants down.
"And what a lie to say that Constance material is not as comprehensive as yours"
really? the only time I said anything remotely resembling that was when I brought up Agenda 21
or Constance did and I said good she had finally noticed this (instead of focusing on EU
politics) not knowing some years back she had commented on it, I missed that post.
There are things in a Planned Deception that without the kind of wrong back ground I had or
the reason to research it because of helping someone get out and stay out, she would have no way
of realizing the implications of someone being involved in something called "Magical Blend" or "magical" anything. And a little digging online about it and my suspicions were correct.
That is not saying her research isn't as comprehensive, that is saying she provided an important
bit of information I had missed before and now understood the implications of. NO ONE would understand it.
Of course once she started posting about Agenda 21 a bit you guys shut up.
There is a pattern of behavior here.
you pretend to defend and support her, but it is just the game of Gollum trying to undermine Bilbo.
not that I am a Lord of the Rings fan, I read the trilogy as a kid who didn't know better, and there are some themes in it worth remembering.
The NEw Age is not unlike the rings, with one key ruling ring connecting the lot. The rings
have their uses, some of them harmless and amusing some helpful it seems, but using them does
something to you as Frodo said after years of having the ring and using it occasionally for
invisibility as a prank, he felt "thin and stretched." And if it is one of the lesser rings, then one is vulnerable to one who
has the main ring. All this unknown to the typical ring user.
"There is a pattern of behavior here."
We can read, Christine, and have read her books and blog posts and understand what she shows us without you. Without you!!!!!!!!
If you were not so enslaved to your own past and all your explorations of the dark side perhaps you would be understanding things yourself because we aren't struggling with that. Obviously you are so mired into it you cannot see beyond it.
You are not needed as you think you are. The pattern of behavior you should be tracking is your own. Get a mirror and see, for the first time in your entire life, what you project.
To All:
Eugene (Seraphim) Rose was influenced by the writings of "traditionalist/perennialist" Rene Guenon.
While studying under Alan Watts at the American Academy of Asian Studies after graduating from Pomona College in 1956, Eugene discovered the writings of René Guenon. Through Guenon's writings, Eugene was inspired to seek out an authentic, grounded spiritual faith tradition.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Seraphim_(Rose)
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Before co-founding the Traditionalist School Rene Guenon functioned as a "bishop" of the gnostic (neo-Albigensian) church founded by Jules Doinel, who in turn was assigned the task of founding this gnostic church at a séance conducted at the home of Lady Caithness who was a close friend of Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and head of the Paris branch of the Theosophical Society founded by Blavatsky.
As gnostic "bishop" of the Alexandrian branch of the gnostic (neo-Albigensian) church founded by Jules Doinel, Rene Guenon took the name "Tau Palingenius."
JULES DOINEL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Doinel
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The theology of Doinel's Gnostic (Neo-Albigensian) Church was based on a study of early Gnosticism, primarily that of Simon Magus and Valentinus; its sacraments were derived from Catharism, and its structure and liturgy were based on a blend of Roman Catholicism, Catharism and Freemasonry.
http://hermetic.com/sabazius/doinel.htm
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Doinel's "church" was among several other "churches which merged and morphed into the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica which was the ecclllesiastical arm of the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) at one time headed by Aleister Crowley.
HISTORY OF THE GNOSTIC CATHOLIC CHURCH
http://hermetic.com/sabazius/history_egc.htm
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Guenon was also a co-founder of the "Traditionalist School" which embraced and advanced the "perennialist philosophy." This was the "faith tradition" with which Eugene Rose had become familiar by reading the writings of Guenon. "Esoteric Christianity"....a.k.a. neo-Gnosticism.
cont.
cont...
The "Traditionalist School" is part of what the late Carrie Tomko and I used to refer to as the "right wing" of the New Age Movement.
TRADITIONALIST SCHOOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School
PERENNIAL TRADITIONALISM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Perennial_Traditionalism
PERENNIAL PHILOSOPHY
The Perennial philosophy (Latin: philosophia perennis), [note 1] also referred to as Perennialism, is a perspective in the philosophy of religion which views each of the world’s religious traditions as sharing a single, universal truth on which foundation all religious knowledge and doctrine has grown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy
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Eventually Rene Guenon converted to Islam (Sufism). According to Mark Sedgwick, up until fairly recently, Islam has been one of the primary vehicles for the transmission the teachings of the "Traditionalist School."
Here is Mark Sedgwick's blog.
TRADITIONALISTS
http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.com/
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Apparently, Rose and his disciples used the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile as a vehicle to live out a traditionalist agenda and did not clearly state that this was what they were doing.
This was similar to the way in which the late Rama Coomaraswamy (son of Traditionalist School co-founder Ananda Coomaraswamy)used Roman Catholicism to live out a traditionalist agenda while simulataneously professing Roman Catholicism before he was exposed by the late Carrie Tomko.
In his book, Sedgwick claims that the religious direction of the Russian Orthodox Church ( i.e. Stalin - approved Moscow Patriarchate) - especially as envisioned by Alexander Dugin - is becoming the new vehicle for the Traditionalist School.....as well as for fascism.
It is interesting to note the connections between Russia and certain Islamic countries.
"The Perennial philosophy... is a perspective in the philosophy of religion which views each of the world’s religious traditions as sharing a single, universal truth on which foundation all religious knowledge and doctrine has grown."
Indeed, Susanna. Too bad that none of them can tell us Christians (or anybody else) what that "universal truth" actually is. We know it - or, actually, know Him.
Susanna,
a very valuable post especially the concept of there being a ""right wing" of the New Age Movement"
most new age critics think it is all leftist. Indeed the conservative movement is as infected
in its own way as the liberals.
But Seraphim Rose didn't play out a traditionalist agenda. The tollhouse thing has its origins in liturgics of the first several hundred years of the Church, and was exacerbated later by what may have been a false dream or a lie by the reporter, which gave it additional features which are problematic.
Toll houses are the same concept that RC turned into purgatory.
Seraphim Rose (nee Eugene Rose) was into Traditionalism, while he was searching. The key notions in
this are, one, that there is a primordial original true faith or whatever you want to call it,
whose traces are to be found everywhere.
and two, that the best thing to do is to identify the oldest and most traditional form of whatever
current religion you are interested in, and join that.
Seraphim Rose dumped Taoism and Buddhism and chose Christianity, and looking into its most ancient
form also had the help of San Francisco ROCOR archbishop (now saint) John Maximovitch, who had
shepherded Russian Orthodox on the run from Communism, first in Harbin, China, and Shanghai and
then in San Francisco.
Seraphim Rose devoted himself to the writings and opinions of the early Church Fathers of the East, aka patristic studies, and accepted them as the totally correct expositors of Scripture
on all things, since they were closer in time to Scripture and must have the correct tradition
from the Apostles written and unwritten.
This unfortunately meant that he swallowed the camel of Origenist notions about the prelapsarian
state being less physical, but that is the only Gnosticism resembling thing about him. They
had this attitude, because they had learned from Origen who initially had a great reputation for defending The Trinity and
converting pagans, but fell into wild speculation and allegorizing, and was anathematized along with a laundry list of wrong ideas after
his death, and after the deaths of those saints who he had influenced such as St. Gregory of Nyssa.
Seraphim Rose followed the Traditionalist notion of finding the most ancient form of a
religion, but did this in the context of accepting Jesus Christ as King and God (therefore as Savior).
The Russian relationship with Islamic countries is because that is what they have to deal with.
They have a sizable Islamic population, but have forbidden any new mosques to be built in Moscow.
Dugin is not the big influence or not anymore. While some of his recommendations and views overlap
to saner stuff, it is someone else I forget his name who is the real influence. Putin may have
liked Dugin at one point, but the craziness and near paganism obviously turned him off.
Meanwhile, the BRICS and the Eurasian Economic Union or whatever it is calling itself, is
a big dagger at the heart of the New World Order, which is primarily operating through UK,
USA and (originally a Nazi idea) EU and NATO (whose ensign is a disguised swastika). US and UK
elites social and economic were working with the Nazis before
during and after WW 2.
anon 1:05,
according to The Bible the true religion we have now, is what was known in the earliest generations,
and in Seth's time people were calling on the name of YHWH more likely in the YH form.
perennialism of course will have none of this, but as even Alexander Hislop admits, the pagan
triads of false gods are a twisted vague memory of the Trinity
from a much earlier time before paganism developed. I think he said the same about the idea of a
virgin birth and resurrection. Too bad he couldn't see that most of what he yelled about was in the same category.
(fishhead mitres are no part of dagonism, but from the middle ages, and cakes or wafers eaten
in pagan rituals were not flat round small things only, but many many shapes.)
perennialism assumes that some pagan and even pantheist notions were part of the original "truth"
which is of course false. But the quest to find origins, pursued with honesty and the help of God,
will take you to YHWH The Holy Trinity and Jesus the Second PErson of the Holy Trinity Incarnate,
died for our sins and Resurrected never to die again.
In Seraphim Rose' case, perennialism served as a conveyor belt to the truth, such as St.
Paul on Mars Hill (areopagus) attempted to use the altar they had "to the unknown god." In the
case of others, it led to various false religions. The sedevacantism of
Coomaraswamy the younger is probably something that his perennialism biased him towards.
Frankly, after reading a lot of RC Traditionalist (not rejecting papacy post Vat. II) and sedevacantist
arguments in the yahoo egroup malachimartin, and the issue of being sure one is getting valid
sacraments, I think they made
some good points. But the Orthodox use of the epiclesis AFTER the words of institution
and their Apostolic Succession made the problems presented by RC
focus on the power of the priest and words of institution alone a non issue, and played a big role in my becoming Orthodox.
There is an Apostolic Succession problem in RC, all lineages bottleneck in someone in the
Renaissance whose own consecration is without record, even as the Anglican succession does.
However, assuming all equal (and with three bishops being needed for any consecration one would
think
that the bottleneck point is irrelevant because the others would supply the consecration)
the popes even if false on the Siri Thesis, were consecrated by presumably valid bishops, and
John XXIII was a bishop before he was pope, so that should override the issue except for the self
excommunicate issue re heresy.
Dear Constance ~
We know that you are very busy these days, but please take the time to read and think about what many of us (who are regular posters here) have been saying to Christine.
Thank you.
Well whoop-de-doo:
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=32459
Will Uma be the first Muslim First Lady?
This is really getting confusing.
" the concept of there being a ""right wing" of the New Age Movement"
most new age critics think it is all leftist. Indeed the conservative movement is as infected"
Are you just now picking up on this? Because we have read the books and the blog of info right here at What Constance thinks (not what Chritine thinks)
"(fishhead mitres are no part of dagonism, but from the middle ages, and cakes or wafers eaten
in pagan rituals were not flat round small things only, but many many shapes.)"
Are you just now figuring out the pagan roots of all that is religious (no religion or denomination exempted) apart from the Actual Person of Jesus Christ?
Because you have haunted these topics many, many, (many,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)times before to talk them to death and think we cannot make up our own minds about the new age from the old rooted lies since the fall of man?
Since you are the one who spits this out over and over it must be you who remains unconvinced.
Why not go back to the drawing board of the Gospel and this time actually repent and trust only Christ to save and heal your undoneness? And get a real faith in HIM and dispel the lies you keep rehashing and reliving.....
....or.....just keep on with the hope for help in some holy water (seer approved ;) ) and chew a few of the many different shaped crackers for goodness sake.
Would you mind just going to find a corner somewhere and partake of all the rituals you want to your hearts content in silence?
No need to report back :) .
anon 3:40
"" Indeed the conservative movement is as infected"
Are you just now picking up on this? Because we have read the books and the blog of info right here at What Constance thinks"
I've known it for decades and been denouncing it and NO YOU DON'T SEE MUCH OF THIS HERE EXCEPT TO DENOUNCE RINOS, FAKE REPUBLICANS, WHAT IS NOT UNDERSTOOD IS THE ROTTENNESS EVEN IN THE REAGAN AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS AND THE PROBLEM ISN'T AS SIMPLE AS COMMUNISM VS. CAPITALISM (WHICH ACTUALLY RUNS COMMUNISM AND ALWAYS DID).
"Are you just now figuring out the pagan roots of all that is religious (no religion or denomination exempted) apart from the Actual Person of Jesus Christ?"
Most of that is lies. I already knew the stories from Hislop and believed it decades ago until I did
enough research. At least one Hislop supporter repudiated it publicly and wrote a contrary book
(The Babylon Connection?)
I ALSO PROVED HISLOP FALSE ON A FEW POINTS IN MY POST.
Hislop would have rejected the Trinity, Virgin Birth, and REsurrection if he had taken his
thesis far enough, since all these have pagan versions. But God acting direction on him by His grace, or indirectly by Hislop's commitment to a church and/or fear of loss of employment as a clergyman, restrained him from this apostasy.
Hislop admitted that the pagan versions of these were vague warped memories of a primordial
true faith that paganism supplanted. And if he'd been honest he'd have realized most of
the rest he denounced was the same.
you seem to like that term "religious." I guess you are the one who accused me of having "a religious spirit?"
THAT TERMINOLOGY SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE ONE OF THE DECEIVED CHARISMATICS, and charismatics of ANY category and original Pentecostals are led by the flesh and "movements" in them that are of the flesh and soulishness to borrow a term, and often led by the devil.
If you have ever had hands laid on you, fell over backwards, spoke in tongues even privately,
or engaged in or experienced ANY charismatic manifestations, you'd better REPENT!
http://www.understanding-ministries.com/p/769540/ Nailing Charismatic Theology pdf download
link at that address.
http://www.understanding-ministries.com has other articles that look interesting.
I haven't read them yet, and as usual i do NOT endorse an entire site, or its owner, or the writer of anything I recommend, only the individual article I link to as good or mostly good.
"And get a real faith in HIM and dispel the lies you keep rehashing and reliving.....
....or.....just keep on with the hope for help in some holy water (seer approved ;) ) and chew a few of the many different shaped crackers for goodness sake."
God forgive you for your blasphemy about The Body and Blood of Jesus Christ (which were HIS words and testified to by men who were trained by aged men who knew the Apostle John as being the correct interpretation) for you know not what you do.
Holy Water is mandated in the OT.
"Would you mind just going to find a corner somewhere and partake of all the rituals you want to your hearts content in silence?"
I don't do occult rituals.
you should STUDY the Bible one of the older translations or KJV with Strong's Concordance help. Maybe you would find a lot of surprises.
Among the supposed pagan things in "religion" is incense and lamps or candles burned to God.
Guess what, its mandated in the OT and shown going on in heaven in Revelation. No that is NOT a
symbol for prayers of the saints, it is offered "WITH the prayers of all saints" Revelation 8:3b.
(b means second half of verse)
and if you read all of Galatians at once, you might notice that "works" are the Mosaic law works of circumcision and holy days and food laws, not "good works" which we as the church are created to do, a peculiar people set apart to do good works.
And you might notice that Ephesians first several verses talk about the predestination
of "us" "we" the speaker Paul and co. and then goes to "you" those who believed because of his
preaching, the elect are either the JEws per se, as one person on youtube argues,
or a select bunch of starter people God picks to use to save the rest who are
not predestined.
Some are predestined to salvation, but no one is predestined to damnation. With
that in mind you can safely read
anything written by a Calvinist, keep the good and ignore the rest.
The reason there is such a failure rate from Arminian altar calls is not the issue of choosing Christ,
it is because of the issue of easy believism and in the case of Calvinism, the failure rate is not
measured by not attending church, or
joining false religions or declaring themselves atheist or agnostic later,
but by things less obvious, dedication to sin on the basis of once saved always saved. other than that, that article which I don't link here, was pretty good in denouncing charismaticism incl. original Pentecostalism.
Great post Susanna!
Especially the Aleistair Crowley connexion. Yet another thing that E O Gnostic Rose has in common with Chritine!
A major problem about ecumenism, is not only that it can be a move to one world religion, especially
as it becomes religious indifferentism,
but that by breaking all boundaries, it would allow infection either adding more error
where only a little error existed, or bringing it in in the first place.
denominational boundaries slow this down. Think quarantine. If the anti atonement heresy being promoted
by some Orthodox Church writers (it will eventually be rooted out)
and liberal prots were to infect
the lot, or the charismatic deception ditto, or religious indifferentism ditto, what would you have? Throw in the filioque
for good measure, eliminate creeds
and dogma that restrain its evil potential,
and as St. Photius the Great said, you will eventually have more and more members of the Holy Trinity (in theory, not fact)
and this not just Mary as co redemptrix which is NOT RC doctrine but IS believed in by
many RC incl. clergy which is bad enough, but then there would
be more divine beings supposedly spirated by The Holy Spirit and/or begotten by The Son and you
would have pagan polytheism all over again.
Indeed, this is probably how it got going, a filioque like misunderstanding about The Holy
Trinity, and its application run amok.
Which of course was why God had to emphasize His unity and only hint at multiplicity in Him when dealing with Abraham and Moses.
Touched a nerve, eh, Miss Erikson?
No blasphemy on my part. I uphold the Gospel and don't "religio-size" it unlike you. Your 'faith" according to your posts make it seem to be reduced to mere holy water and a few crackers. (note the multi shapes of said crackers dear folks as it is a big detail not to miss LOL!)
The Gospel is repentance before God the Father Who gave His only begotten Virgin born Son Who paid your sin debt and mine by placing our faith and trust alone in the atoning Blood of His sinless sacrifice upon the Cross and was raised to Life by the Holy Spirit of the Living God to live and reign forever as Lord and King amen.
Your talk it (sorta but who can tell with all of the add-ons and subtractions you make as you tell it? turning it into mush by blowing right by the Cross as you did here a little while back at breakneck speed) but not walk it as we know you have tiny/to none in conviction of sin and parade yours here-so must only be a mental ascent-not living, breathing, trusting, praising, and dying to yourself faith. Your trust in obviously in Christine and a few ritual things to say and do because that is all you can talk about when you talk bible!!! The Holy Spirit is absent from the things you post because you have to have more than know about God and be instead ha born-again faith (as a new creature old things passed away) the kind of faith that actually knows God through Christ Jesus.
Go back to the drawing board and read the bible again and obey what you read. Start with John Chapter 3 and ask this time for the Holy Spirit to show real faith in Jesus. Time is getting away from you as you stall here arguing your life away.
"throw in the filioque creed for good measure "...
Chritine, the Holy Spirit was ALWAYS believed to proceed from the Father and the Son even though it was not expressed so until the Filioque creed.
The result of such a misconception held by ignorant Eastern Orthodox practitioners such as yourself who don't understand this (some do, I can't be bothered to explain so though to a pompous self-righteous imbecile like yourself though) is the same that Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam and other cults make which is a diminution of the Person and Majesty of Jesus Christ the Lord.
You, however Chritine further diminutise who Jesus Christ really is by your ignorant and deluded over-bloated gnostic know-it-all attitude seeped in the cess of occult knowledge and mingling with witches and devil worshiping seers!
You're as gnostic, perverse, Anti -Semitic and influenced by devil worshipers, such as Crowley etc al, as your Hero Fraudster Seraphim Rose!
"Chritine, the Holy Spirit was ALWAYS believed to proceed from the Father and the Son even though it was not expressed so until the Filioque creed. "
that is totally false, THROUGH The Son is not FROM The Son as per origin.
Jesus Himself did not teach the filioque, He said The Holy Spirit proceeds from The Father, not "from The Father and Me," and He said He would send The Holy Spirit "From The Father," not "I will send the Holy Spirit From The Father and From Me."
the filioque cropped up as a misunderstanding and in one case a scribal error, and got popular.
"The result of such a misconception held by ignorant Eastern Orthodox practitioners such as yourself who don't understand this"
We are not ignorant. We are the original core Church from which all others directly or indirectly
branched off. We know what we are talking about, you don't.
You don't know what you're talking about Chritine, and you're not worth the air to explain so to you. Now do us all a favor and go!
anon. 5:45
it would take more careful study of books, articles, ancient and medieval history even RC church history
will give enough information for you to figure it out. archaeology too.
Chritine, Your attempts to overcome and wear out the saints here with your craft will continue to prove unfruitful! None of the posters here has shown any desire for you to remain since the issue was put up for vote: au contraire many have shown, whether expressed or implied, their longing for you to leave this blog. Yet, as the manic sociopath you are you have clung on like a parasitic sheep tic!
May the Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you!
Our 8 year descent:
www.tedmontgomery.com/remarks/Obama/crashing.America.html
Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Isn't it something.(horrible and shameful).....how....very......opposite......Mary Christine Erikson is in her "faith" compared to our Savior Jesus the Christ the Lord of Glory?
She is a stumbler by her religiosity and never ceases from adding her confusion to what Jesus Himself has said.
anon 6:12
your total confusion is exhibited by that post. The Scripture cite has no relevance to anything I've said or done.
And you are either deliberately lying, like the slanderer the devil, or you are of a warped mind,
to say that I am compared to our Savior Jesus Christ the Lord of Glory in my faith.
Again, there is nothing I have said or done that remotely resembles that.
"there is nothing I have said or done that remotely resembles that."
You are correct. Your faith does not resemble what Jesus said it should be.
anon 6:26
are you insane, or really unable to read?
""there is nothing I have said or done that remotely resembles that."
You are correct. Your faith does not resemble what Jesus said it should be."
What I said was, that there is NOTHING I have said or done that remotely resembles comparing myself
in my faith to our Savior Jesus Christ the Lord of Glory.
MCE is just as slippery as Bill Clinton who had trouble knowing what is is.
She has the same trouble getting it too.
You are correct Mary Christine Erikson. You do not have the faith of a child as Jesus the LORD said you should have.
anon 6:51
"MCE is just as slippery as Bill Clinton who had trouble knowing what is is.
She has the same trouble getting it too."
look in the mirror, you are the slippery one, and you can't even or in an effort to trap won't
apply Scripture correctly.
"You are correct Mary Christine Erikson. You do not have the faith of a child as Jesus the LORD said you should have."
I am correct? I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T HAVE THE FAITH OF A CHILD.
I said that I have never tried to keep children away from JEsus as the disciples were doing, as being
too mentally lacking or unimportant to bother Him with, and He rebuked them for this.
Anon said: "You don't know what you're talking about Chritine, and you're not worth the air to explain so to you."
Mary Christine Erikson said to that anon:
"anon. 5:45
it would take more careful study of books, articles, ancient and medieval history even RC church history
will give enough information for you to figure it out. archaeology too.
5:55 PM"
How very opposite her approach to faith compared to how Jesus taught children saying their little childlike hearts could understand Him and receive Him by simple faith. Jesus was not holding a lecture. He was just being God and Savior.
Looks like the kiddos (and us kiddos here too) can make it to heaven without all of your "spiritual religious gymnastics" Christine!
and what is your idea of accepting Him in simplicity and living according to His words - twisting Scripture,
slandering the innocent,
clinging to lies of only partly correct Romanism rejecters,
clinging to lies of Romanism that rejects Orthodoxy,
rejecting The Bible when it speaks of cleansing by special water, the holy relics of Elisha bringing a dead man back to life, and blessed cloths from an Apostle healing people?
clinging to a rejection of everything physical as part of worship of God as if He had not created the physical universe and declared it all very good?
rejecting the Bible depiction of worship that is liturgical in heaven in Revelation 8:3
or clinging perhaps to bad translations that obscure everything?
yeah we can make it to heaven with faith in Jesus (turning to Him) without the blessings that
sacraments give, but why reject His words about Holy Communion?
are you going to reject baptism next?
Are you even a Trinitarian?
slippery game playing?
telling LIES? and yes, you have lied.
who is the liar? remember? the devil is a liar. The father of lies.
"I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T HAVE THE FAITH OF A CHILD"
Then why all the reliance on "bible analysis" and lecturing us about how we are stupid imbeciles as you called Paul and insane as you call me because we are that we do not have faith (EO!! oh my goodness) like you do?
You might (?) say one thing but reems and reems of text later we see what you are really about. And it is not simple faith like a child.
You are a stumbler to the simply profound and profoundly simple Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The Pharisees were known for the same tactics as you and Jesus had very strong rebuke for them for such attitudes and behavior that matches yours here on this blog.
""I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T HAVE THE FAITH OF A CHILD"
Then why all the reliance on "bible analysis" "
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isa. 8:20
you quote Scripture when you want to make a point, and quote it badly at that.
the extreme remarks you cite are given after extreme behavior exhibited by the people it is aimed at I make every effort to
be charitable and ascribe such behavior to some inability and not dishonesty or malice,
but when it keeps happening it can only be malice.
Jesus answered the Pharisees and the devil with Scripture. And no, I don't use the tactics of the Pharisees,
but you and your crew definitely do.
you only get reems and reems because you keep misquoting me or twisting or misapplying Scripture
or trying to prevent effective attack on the new age.
"you only get reems and reems because you keep misquoting me or twisting or misapplying Scripture
or trying to prevent effective attack on the new age."
No! We often catch you with your dirty pants down. Why not join the lecture circuit somewhere where your opinions, "oh so wise" admonitions, and name calling (because you have no valid argument) are wanted???? (and getting the Gospel wrong while doing it). And think of it Christine! Getting off your lazy rear end and actually working an honest to goodness job for your living.
You are here because you have nowhere else to be and nothing else to do except spew your "inner badly behaving child" . (there's your 'faith' as a child for ya ;) )
I don't know if this is very funny or very sad.
I'll go with sad.
Anonymous 1:05
Re:Indeed, Susanna. Too bad that none of them can tell us Christians (or anybody else) what that "universal truth" actually is. We know it - or, actually, know Him.
Indeed! Right you are! Too bad for them that they cannot tell us what that "universal truth" actually is......especially since it does not exist except in their own minds!!!
Another reason why is, as you have rightly indicated, because they reject belief in Him.... that is, knowing Christ by faith in the objective body of public divine revelation communicated to the human race by Christ Himself...preferring instead their own subjective, secret, falsely so-called "knowledge" - knowing by direct experience - a.k.a. pretending by way of their sorceries and magickal incantations and rituals to be able to obtain direct access to the mind of God - whether God likes it or not.
In Gnosticism, this so-called "universal truth" is often referred to as "Sophia" ("wisdom") or "Achamoth."
It is interesting to note that in the nineteenth century, the disciples of the Saint-Simonians ( utopian socialists ) under the leadership of Barthelemy Prosper Enfantin - a group which morphed into a cult led by socialist "prophet" Simon Ganneau and which included Eliphas Levi (Alphonse Louis Constant) and Flora Tristan (grandmother of painter Paul Gaugin) as members -began promoting the notion of a "female messiah."
Jules Doinel called himself "Tau Valentinus" after founding his gnostic neo-Albigensian "church"
and is said to have followed the gnostic teachings of Valentinus.
Doinel's gnostic church had both male and female "bishops" which were called "sophias."
SOPHIA (GNOSTICISM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)
VALENTINIANISM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentinianism
Papus ( Dr. Gerard Encausse )who was a disciple of Eliphas Levi, functioned as a "bishop" in the gnostic church founded by Jules Doinel. Papus exercised significant influence on Czar Nicholas II at the Russian court.
Modern Sophiology traces its roots to the eighteenth century Ukrainian philosopher Hryhorij Savyc Skovoroda (1722-1794)who may have been one of the first modern advocates of the world’s “feminine essence” within Eastern Orthodoxy.
"Sophianism" is a heresy which has been condemned by the Russian Orthodox Church.
SOPHIANISM
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Sophianism
THE SOPHIAN HERESY AND ATTEMPTS TO FEMINIZE GOD
http://ecumenizm.tripod.com/ECUMENIZM/id17.html
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In any case, from the gnostic point of view, what we are talking about here is "salvation by knowledge" instead of salvation in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Another manifestation of this gnosis is also to be found in the writings of George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel who referred to the "universal truth" as "pansophia," "earth spirit" and "world soul." He believed that periodically, leaders like Napoleon emerged as manifestations of this "world soul."
HEGEL AND THE HERMETIC TRADITION
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/magee.htm
NO! the name calling comes after absurd reactions to plenty of arguments and unwillingness to
face them or twisting of what I said or something of the nature.
I say you are a new age gatekeeper, here to sow confusion whenever something that hits at its
core is brought up.
something that exposes the mechanism of their operation that might make people think twice, that
if these people don't know the throat chakra location from a hole in the ground maybe they
don't know as much as they think,
and that if some of the supposedly validating experiences that new agers are having, or sense of
having found truth is the result of spells cast by ritual magic on the masses of people maybe its an
illusion.
and that if you can derail Agenda 21 you can derail a lot of the globalist plans.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ATTACK
YOU ARE THE NEW AGE GATEKEEPER TROLLS, KEEP US ON STUFF THAT WON'T HURT THE NEW AGE OR GLOBALISM
Or be so stuck in fear of communism and suspicion of Russia that you'd probably volunteer to
fight on behalf of Ukraine-Kiev and support the EU and support strengthening everything in a sane
state of mind you oppose, because the bear is attacking it.
P.S.
Here is a presentation of the blasphemous gnostic myth of "Sophia."
I call it "down the rabbithole theosophy."
THE MYTH OF SOPHIA
a. The Myth of Sophia
According to Gnostic mythology (in general) We, humanity, are existing in this realm because a member of the transcendent godhead, Sophia (Wisdom), desired to actualize her innate potential for creativity without the approval of her partner or divine consort. Her hubris, in this regard, stood forth as raw materiality, and her desire, which was for the mysterious ineffable Father, manifested itself as Ialdabaoth, the Demiurge, that renegade principle of generation and corruption which, by its unalterable necessity, brings all beings to life, for a brief moment, and then to death for eternity. However, since even the Pleroma itself is not, according to the Gnostics, exempt from desire or passion, there must come into play a salvific event or savior—that is, Christ, the Logos, the "messenger," etc.—who descends to the material realm for the purpose of negating all passion, and raising the innocent human "sparks" (which fell from Sophia) back up to the Pleroma (cf. Apocryphon of John [Codex II] 9:25-25:14 ff.).
This process of re-integration with/in the godhead is one of the basic features of the Gnostic myth. The purpose of this re-integration (implicitly) is to establish a series of existents that are ontologically posterior to Sophia, and are the concrete embodiment of her "disruptive" desire—within the unified arena of the Pleroma. Indeed, if the Pleroma is really the Fullness, containing all things, it must contain the manifold principles of Wisdom's longing. In this sense, we must not view Gnostic salvation as a simply one-sided affair. The divine "sparks" that fell from Sophia, during her "passion," are un-integrated aspects of the godhead. We may say, then, that in the Hegelian sense the Gnostic Supreme God is seeking, eternally, His own actualization by way of full self-consciousness (cf. G.W.F. Hegel, History of Philosophy vol. 2, pp. 396-399).
But it is not really this simple. The Supreme God of the Gnostics effortlessly generates the Pleroma, and yet (or for this very reason!) this Pleroma comes to act independently of the Father. This is because all members of the Pleroma (known as Aeons) are themselves "roots and springs and fathers" (Tripartite Tractate 68:10) carrying Time within themselves, as a condition of their Being. When the disruption, brought about by the desire of Sophia, disturbed the Pleroma, this was not understood as a disturbance of an already established unity, but rather as the disturbance of an insupportable stasis that had come to be observed as divine. Indeed, when the Greeks first looked to the sky and admired the regularity of the rotations of the stars and planets, what they were admiring, according to the Gnostics, was not the image of divinity, but the image or representation of a "divine" stagnancy, a law and order that stifled freedom, which is the root of desire (cf. Jonas, pp. 260-261). The passion of Sophia—her production of the Demiurge, his enslavement of the human "sparks" in the material cosmos, and the subsequent redemption and restoration—are but one episode in the infinite, unfolding drama of spiritual existence. We, as human beings, just happen to be the unwitting victims of this particular drama. But if, as the Gnostics hold, our salvation consists in our becoming gods (Poimandres 26) or "lord[s] over creation and all corruption" (Valentinus, Fragment F, Layton) then how are we to be confident that, in ages to come, one of us will not give birth to another damned cosmos, just as Sophia had done?
http://www.iep.utm.edu/gnostic/
Anonymous 1:05
Re: Indeed, Susanna. Too bad that none of them can tell us Christians (or anybody else) what that "universal truth" actually is. We know it - or, actually, know Him.
Indeed!
Of course the gnostics claim that the "universal truth" they (falsely) claim "to know" is "Sophia" or "Achamoth."
Modern Sophiology traces its roots to eighteenth century Ukrainian philosopher Hryhorij Savyc Skovoroda (1722-1794) who may have been one of the first modern advocates of the world’s “feminine essence” within Eastern Orthodoxy.
SOPHIOLOGY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophiology
Sophianism is a heresy which has been condemned by the Russian Orthodox Church.
SOPHIANISM
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Sophianism
_______________________________
The gnostic neo-Albigensian church of Jules Doinel had both male and female "bishops. The female "bishops" were called "sophias."
Papus,(Gerard Encausse) who was at one time a member of Madame Blavatsky's Theosophical Society functioned as a "bishop" (Tau Vincent) in Jules Doinel's church. Papus also exercised significant influence at the Russian court during the reign of Nicholas and Alexandra.
Interestingly, Papus, as a follower of occultist/magickian Eliphas Levi, emerged from the utopian socialist Saint-Simonian tradition, which, under the leadership of Barthelemy Prosper Enfantin, began the search for a "female messiah."
Lots of gnostic cross-pollination occurred in the nineteenth century.
Excellent post Susanna!
It all makes sense as to why Chritine has chosen Eastern Orthodoxy with its adherents' tendencies towards theosophy and all things gnostic. This is possibly why her apparently possessed 'Resident Seer' (a Forster Bailey mini-me?) finds her 'faith' acceptable and why she in turn sees it as acceptable to wallow in the mire of witchcraft forums and their cess of details.
Of course, there are Eastern Orthodox adherents who (despite of how we may interpret Hagia Sophia) view humility as the highest wisdom attainable. If this is the case, then in such terms Chritine has consistently proven herself to be a veritable imbecile spiritually lobotomised and seared by her own hubris!
anon 9:49
"Eastern Orthodoxy with its adherents' tendencies towards theosophy and all things gnostic"
you totally got it wrong. Susanna didn't even imply that. sophianism was denounced as a heresy
by the Russian Orthodox Church and during the chaos after the revolution there were sophianist
elements that got play in the west European exile enclaves such
one of the two different men named
Bulgakov. I forget which one. It is a minority deviation, hardly a tendency of Eastern Orthodoxy at
large or Russian Orthodoxy in particular.
And I deplore all this stuff myself.
"And I deplore all this stuff myself "
The proof is in the pudding, Chritine! What you have consistently vomited here over the years is fullof those foul ingredients you pretend to deplore.
Moreover, I repeat:
Of course, there are Eastern Orthodox adherents who (despite how we may interpret Hagia Sophia) view humility as the highest wisdom attainable. If this is the case, then in such terms Chritine has consistently proven herself to be a veritable imbecile, spiritually lobotomised and seared by her own hubris.
Do you really want to prove to yourself and others that such an assertion is wrong? Then do the decent thing and humbly accept the wishes of the silent majority and those who have expressed or implied their desire for you to leave!
Russian Orthodox church under fire over Stalin calendar [in honor of the monster! ].
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA081DD20140109?irpc=932
Following after this paragraph is the text from the Reuter's report. It is an absolute disgrace what the Russian Orthodox hierarchy has done, by such a reprehensible publication, to the memory of all those people who were murdered under Stalin and often with the both active and complicit collaboration of large swathes of the said so called 'church' in Moscow! :
The Russian Orthodox Church is under fire for publishing a calendar devoted to Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.
Pictures from the 2014 calendar have been making the rounds on the Internet, sparking a barrage of criticism and prompting a lively discussion on the Moscow Patriarchate's troubled ties with Stalin.
The calendar, published by the printing house of the Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius Monastery in Moscow, presents photos and biographical information documenting Stalin's evolution from a young seminary student in his native Georgia to the gray-haired Soviet leader.
The publishing house advertises the calendar on its website as a bestseller and "an excellent gift for veterans and history buffs."
It sells for 200 rubles ($6) online and in bookshops.
Mikhail Babkin, a noted Russian historian specialized in Russian Orthodox Church studies, fuelled the controversy on January 8 by posting photos on LiveJournal.
"The link between the Moscow Patriarchy of the Russian Orthodox Church and Stalin," he wrote, "remains close to sacred."
His post has sparked a flurry of outraged comments.
"The Russian Orthodox Church has long turned into a business structure and churches into shops offering religious services," wrote one reader. "Worshippers are only considered to be sources of wealth."
"It's shameful, a disgrace and an insult against all those who died" under Stalin's rule, another one said.
Stalin had a complex relationship with the Orthodox Church.
He attended an Orthodox seminary in his youth but was expelled for reasons that remain unclear.
As Soviet leader, he oversaw a vast campaign of persecution against the Russian Orthodox Church that saw countless churches being destroyed.
After World War II broke out, however, Stalin softened his stance and allowed the Church to operate, albeit under close state scrutiny.
Correction, the above text was from this link (not Reuter):
http://www.rferl.mobi/a/russia-stalin-calendar/25224022.html
Here's the Reuter's report :
The Russian Orthodox Church has come under heavy criticism on the Internet this week over a 2014 wall calendar published by a revered monastery's printing house that features portraits of Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin.
The black-and-white calendar, titled "Stalin" and costing 200 roubles ($6), is advertised as "a great gift for veterans and history fans". Historian Mikhail Babkin brought it to public attention on his blog on January7.
"Disgrace, shame and insult to all those who perished," one person wrote in one of nearly 200 comments under Babkin's post, referring to the millions who died because of Stalin's forced farm collectivization and brutal political repression.
The Russian Orthodox Church, which was severely persecuted under Stalin but has enjoyed a resurgence since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, said it dismissed the head of the printing house in July once it found out about the printing but the calendars had already been delivered.
"The Russian Orthodox Church was subject to the most severe repressions during Stalin's rule when thousands of priests were deported and executed. Releasing such a publication in a church establishment ... is morally unacceptable," Vakhtang Kipshidze, a spokesman for the Russian Orthodox Church, told Reuters.
But reflecting the sympathy for Stalin still felt by many Russians who credit him with victory in World War Two and giving their country a superpower status, Kipshidze added:
"Though one should work on the assumption that both in the Russian Orthodox Church and in the Russian society there are differing views on the role Joseph Stalin played in the Russian history and everybody has the right to hold on to their views."
Critics of the Kremlin accuse President Vladimir Putin of burnishing Stalin's image and celebrating the Soviet Union's modernizing achievements to prop up national pride.
Since returning to the Kremlin in mid-2012, Putin has also sought to appeal to conservative voters to boost his own authority and has increasingly promoted the Russian Orthodox Church as the standard bearer for national values.
The church, in turn, has faced growing criticism from critics who say it has fostered excessively close ties to the Kremlin and sought too powerful a role in secular life.
"This is business. The Russian Orthodox Church is using its resources to make money," Andrey Kurayev, a cleric and religious activist, wrote on his blog. "This is where the trouble is, not in Stalin pictures."
(Reporting by Maria Tsvetkova; Writing by Gabriela Baczynska; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall)
from the other link.....
"The Russian Orthodox Church, which was severely persecuted under Stalin but has enjoyed a resurgence since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, said it dismissed the head of the printing house in July once it found out about the printing but the calendars had already been delivered.
"The Russian Orthodox Church was subject to the most severe repressions during Stalin's rule when thousands of priests were deported and executed. Releasing such a publication in a church establishment ... is morally unacceptable," Vakhtang Kipshidze, a spokesman for the Russian Orthodox Church, told Reuters.
But reflecting the sympathy for Stalin still felt by many Russians who credit him with victory in World War Two and giving their country a superpower status, Kipshidze added:
"Though one should work on the assumption that both in the Russian Orthodox Church and in the Russian society there are differing views on the role Joseph Stalin played in the Russian history and everybody has the right to hold on to their views.""
I have an idea.
Since Christine hates America so much and loves Eastern Orthodoxy so much she should move to Russia.
Maybe she could even get a seat in the pew next to Putin and share all of her wisdom with him. She has so much to offer and surely a world leader needs to hear from her about how the world should be run.
Wow just think--first this blog and then the world Christine! This place is only your stepping stone to greatness!!!
Carpe Diem, Mary Chritine Erikson!!! (seize the day!)
:)
Anon. 10:34
Re:After World War II broke out, however, Stalin softened his stance and allowed the Church to operate, albeit under close state scrutiny.
The reason why Stalin appeared to "soften" his stance against the Russian Orthodox Church was because he needed the moral support of the Russian Orthodox Church in the war against Germany in terms of intensifying patriotic support for the war effort vis a vis the so-called "patriotic union" between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Soviet State.
Only after the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, did Joseph Stalin finally start to scale back the anti-religious campaign, needing the moral support of the Church during the war. On September 4, 1943, Stalin met with the three chief hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church and promised some concessions to religion in exchange for their loyalty and assistance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church
"After Nazi Germany's attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, Joseph Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. On September 4, 1943, Metropolitans Sergius, Alexy and Nikolay had a meeting with Stalin and received a permission to convene a council on September 8, 1943, which elected Sergius Patriarch of Moscow and all the Rus'. This is considered by some as violation of the XXX Apostolic canon, as no church hierarch could be consecrated by secular authorities.[23] A new patriarch was elected, theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. The Moscow Theological Academy Seminary, which had been closed since 1918, was re-opened."
I hardly think that the patriarch was CONSECRATED which is a specific ceremony by Stalin. The
concessions probably included the re creation of the Moscow Patriarchate, which had ceased to
exist under Peter the Great, and had either officially or effectively
become an office of the state. Reports to the Okhrana or Cheka by priests of some contents of
confession were complained about in a book in the early 1900s I think
it was Beasts in Cassocks and mostly focused on the evildoings of a few clergy in North America
but had information from Russia since everyone was from Russia.
Naturally, if the ROC was a department of the Tsarist state, such confession reporting made
a degree of sense, this relationship simultaneously downgrading
the church a bit into a secular govt. device, and upgrading the state it was coextensive
politically with into a segment of the Church, depending on how you view it.
The same thing of course went on under the Soviet regime, with less justification.
The decision to restore the patriarchate after the initial Russian Revolution of AD 1917 was
only possible because the Tsar had abdicated. Fans of Tsarist "Holy" Russia tend to miss some details.
"The same thing of course went on under the Soviet regime, with less justification."
There is no justification of the Christine regime here at this blog either.
It is a long overdue time for regime change here at whatever the heck Christine thinks.
April 15, 2015
HEADS UP!!!
Isn't it interesting that regarding these particular Walmart closings (for 'plumbing' issues)... almost all are located in Jade Helm states?
Also, if the Walmart closing in Livingston, Texas is only 'temporary' (for 6 months), why have all 400 employees been laid off from their jobs?
Check out this video...
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/04/jade-helm-first-strike-time-to-prepare-suspicious-walmart-closings-picture-video-3137948.html
https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/new-evidence-bizarre-simultaneous-walmart-store-closings-draw-customer-suspicions/
Also important for us all to remember is that next week, April 19th - 22nd are dates where history has shown that events tend to happen.
Livingston, Texas (not far from Houston, TX) community is upset over Walmart's sudden closing....
http://www.click2houston.com/news/livingston-community-upset-over-walmart-closing/32352214
Continued...
Initially, employees of this Walmart in Livingston, Texas (near Houston) were told the closing would only be 'temporary' (for 6 months)... but now, all 400 employees have now been told they probably won't be coming back and should be looking for new jobs. On Monday, April 13th, they were given just a few hours notice!!!
http://www.click2houston.com/news/livingston-community-upset-over-walmart-closing/32352214
Russian to assist Persia with operational missile defense, anti-aircraft systems. Israel furious over deal.
We can presume that this is the beginning of the coming catastrophe called Psalm 83 war. Israel, as far as I have read, will now be forced to do something, unless America can destroy the factories. With this president, I cannot imagine us striking Iran's factories. Israel can either wait until they have this nuclear power, or they can do something themselves. The first is not a choice. So there is the second. Now, since Iran has her proxies in Hamas, Hezbollah, and other groups close to Israel, and the prophecy says the surrounding groups will be wiped out by Israel, does it mean the moment Israel attacks Iran all those groups will unite and go after Israel? Perhaps with chemical warheads? Will this cause Dimashq to be flattened?
I have just read an article that Russia is being asked by Libya today to assist in lifting weapons embargo on their country. I find strange that Libya could be assisted by Russia now, as she is one of the other nations (with Ethiopia) that come against Israel later with Persia. It could be nothing, or it perhaps the start, if Russia begins to tinker with Libya. Ethiopia, on the other part, is mentioned in the prophecy, and I could never figure out how since they are predominantly Christian.
Psalm 83 could kick off in the autumn, after the super moon, or perhaps next year. I say it is quite close.
Any comments?
great post 11:09am ~ chritine not poo-tin ~what a pair! She's already gotten her own ra ra res~ poo-tin (lover of New Age chritine~ it's such a shame how she carries on! ) she could take with~
Yes chritine, off to Russia with you where you can share your gnostic 'knowledge' and occult secrets to your dark heart's content, Babushka Chritine Infowolf (infobear?) Blavatskika!
great post 11:09am ~ chritine n poo-tin ~what a pair! She's already gotten her own ra ra res~ poo-tin (lover of New Age chritine~ it's such a shame how she carries on! ) she could take with~
Yes chritine, off to Russia with you where you can share your gnostic 'knowledge' and occult secrets to your dark heart's content, Babushka Chritine Infowolf (infobear?) Blavatskika!
"and I could never figure out how since they are predominantly Christian. "
not all Christian denominations consider Israel has a place in prophecy anymore, and mere Christian
categorization doesn't mean anything really as to what the people or leaders are up to.
Ethiopia for instance is supposedly Christian, but its troops have a reputation for rape and I think it was its troops sent
on a UN mission to help Haiti that were demanding sex to get the (supposed to be) free food.
Obviously, unless their troops are drawn from among moslems, they are not Christian because not chaste. Paul says people like this will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
As for the people you list that sounds like Ezekiel 38, but since the Gog Magog war is explicitly
mentioned in Revelation, it won't happen until after Christ has reigned on earth 1,000 years and there is a revolt, which He puts down, then does the Last Judgement and new heavens and new earth and New Jerusalem.
Russian Orthodox Cult Exposed
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Russian_Orthodox/russian_orthodox_exposed.htm
Russian Orthodox Cult Exposed!
(Russian Catholicism)
The Russian Orthodox Church(also known as the Orthodox Catholic Church of Russia) is the largest of all Eastern Churches, and after the Catholic Church she is the second largest religious denomination in the world. Due to the closure of Russia to the outside she has remained to a great extent hidden or veiled from western eyes.
The Russian Orthodox Church should not be confused with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (also known as the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad), which was founded by Russian communities outside of Russia, which refused to recognize the authority of the then-Communist-dominated Russian church. However, BOTH organizations teach the same damnable heresies.
The Russian Orthodox Church is a false religion, a cult, just as is Roman Catholicism. In fact, Russian Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are inseparably related. The Russian Orthodox religion teaches most of the same damnable heresies as does Roman Catholicism. The major difference is that Russian Orthodoxy refuses to recognize the Roman Vatican as their state head.
Russian Orthodoxy requires that a person keep the Seven Sacraments, just like Roman Catholicism. They teach the same heresy that baptism cleanses away "original sin." The Bible teaches no such foolishness. The truth is that only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash away our sins...
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins" —Colossians 1:14
No church can save you. Russian Orthodoxy and Catholicism teach that baptism is required for a person to join the church. On the contrary, the Bible teaches that the moment you believe upon Jesus Christ as your Saviour you are a member of the church (Acts 2:47).
The Rosary is a wicked invention of false prophets. The Rosary is from hell. TheRosary is blasphemy! It is a sin to pray repetitious prayers. In fact, God calls it heathen...
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." —Matthew 6:7
It doesn't get much simpler than that my friend.
Furthermore, Russian Orthodoxy makes the arrogant claim (as do Catholics) that priests have been granted some special power to forgive sin. Nothing could be further from the truth. Listen to the plain teaching of the Scriptures...
"And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" —Luke 5:21
The wicked scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus Christ and refused to see Him for Who He truly was...God in the flesh (1st Timothy 3:16). Jesus forgave sin as ONLY God can do! Jesus is Almighty God. Luke 5:21 and Mark 2:7 clearly teach that ONLY God can forgive sin, NOT any priest or pope. Don't fall for the devilish doctrine that a priest can forgive your sins. The King James Bible teaches us to confess our "faults" one to another, NOT our sins (James 5:16). The devil cleverly changed "faults" to "sins" in the devilish New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. If you want the truth, then only use the King James Bible which hasn't been tampered with. We are never commanded in the Bible to share our sins with anyone. As my pastor use to wisely say..."Let people know that you have feet of clay, but never show them your feet."
In addition, praise of the Virgin Mother Mary is a sin. There is NOT one Scripture in the entire Bible which leads us to recognize Mary in any way. Mary was a sinner, just like we are. Please read, Hail Mary! Hail Satan! [links found when you type in url and scroll down! ]
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/New_World_Order.htm
https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/the-occult-origins-of-the-american-nation/
...
The Russian Orthodox cult also teaches the damnable heresy of transubstantiation (just as do the Roman Catholics). This is the belief that the wine and bread at communion literally turn into Jesus' blood and flesh in a partaker's stomach. The Bible is very clear that the Lord's Supper is simply a time for REMEMBERING the atoning work of our precious Saviour...
"And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come." v-1st Corinthians 11:24-26
Nothing in the Bible even remotely indicates that we are digesting Jesus. The belief is that the digested body and blood of Jesus will give us spiritual life. On the contrary, the Word of God teaches that it is the Holy Spirit of God that gives us life...
"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." —Romans 8:11
The Russian Orthodox Church (in Russia and abroad) are false religions straight from hell. Please don't believe their lies. The Word of God declares that ONLY through childlike FAITH in Jesus Christ can a person be saved...
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." —Ephesians 2:8,9
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." —John 14:6
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." —Galatians 2:16
It's Jesus or Hell! I beseech you my friend, turn to Jesus Christ in faith. Simply receive Christ's payment for your sins. Jesus died, was buried, and rose again three days later. Jesus ascended into Heaven and applied His blood to the heavenly mercy seat in the holy place (Hebrews 9:12,24). It is Jesus' precious, literal, blood that washes away our sins (1st John 1:7; 1st Peter 1:18-19). Thank God for the gift of His dear Son (John 3:16).
Idolaters Worship Sergei Radonejsky
Русский Правоверный Культ Подверг действию! (Russian)
How to Be Saved
Как пойти к раю (Russian)
Ye Must Be Born Again!
Ye Необходимо Носить Снова! Russian)
Thanks for bringing this up Richard @2:15 PM.
"Psalm 83 could kick off in the autumn, after the super moon, or perhaps next year. I say it is quite close"
Yes, and so is Isaiah 17:1 with ISIS inside Damascus.
"Russian Orthodoxy requires that a person keep the Seven Sacraments, just like Roman Catholicism. They teach the same heresy that baptism cleanses away "original sin." The Bible teaches no such foolishness. The truth is that only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash away our sins..."
no conflict here. baptism brings you into Christ's death and Resurrection.
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Baptism/
rosary - we don't use them, we use prayer ropes, knots to keep track of prayers.
praising Mary - RC is far more over the top on this than we are, except where there is RC influence.
All the statements in the Hail Mary of RC and the original Orthodox version, are from The Bible, the angel Gabriel's greeting to her and her statements to Elizabeth.
"Rejoice o Theotokos [Mother of God because what came from her womb was God and man, not man become God later like Nestorius thought] and maiden Mary
full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women,[ref. Luke 1:28 and verse 48]
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast given birth to the Saviour of our souls."
The vast majority of the prayers and Holy Liturgy reference Jesus Christ not Mary, and the icons of
Mary always show her pointing to Jesus, like she said at the wedding of Cana, John 2:5. The
infant Jesus is always depicted as a small adult faced man, indicating He is in fact older
than His mother.
priests forgiving sin - Jesus' ability to forgive sins transferred to Apostles John 20:22, 23
there are two formats used in EO, one where the priest is the witness of the confession to God,
and the assurer of God's forgiveness to the penitent (this all as does RC assume the confession is real repentance and
not going through a formal drill with no intention of changing) the
other is from RC influence where the priest stipulates he forgives.
James 5:16 you misapply to say it is only about confessing our faults to one another, not our sins.
JUST WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "FAULTS" AND "SINS"? sin isn't only major physical action issues like
murder and fornication and adultery and drunkenness and theft. Definitely includes verbal
and mental stuff.
"no church can save you." while pop Catholicism and pop Orthodoxy would disagree and some theorists,
in fact the doctrine agrees with this, you can be a communing member of one of these liturgical
churches, and be headed for hell because of hypocrisy and secret sin and gaming the system to
allow it or just lying in confession or whatever.
yes, believing in Christ puts you in the category of Christ's assembly, but the formal visible
identifiable angle on this is important also. Closing the ranks against heresy tells you where to
get right teaching. And keeps the
false teaching out more or less.
some Orthodox are recognizing that the boundaries of the church are more fluid than usually thought,
but THAT IS NOT A REASON TO ALLOW OPEN COMMUNION which isn't even allowed to members known to be in
serious unrepented and unconfessed sin.
Ignored by much of RC and EO is the fact that Jesus said "WHOSOEVER comes unto Me I will
not cast out," and this being interpreted by some as relevant to ignoring the past of people
who seek to become Orthodox or who seek to join a monastery, there is this, when the Apostles
saw a man casting out demons in Jesus' Name who did not follow with them, they forbade him, but
Jesus said to not forbid him because no one who does a work in Jesus' Name can easily soon after
speak evil of Him, and "whosoever is not against us is on our side."
My own take is that the protestants are like slap happy catechumen equivalents.
"The Russian Orthodox cult also teaches the damnable heresy of transubstantiation (just as do the Roman Catholics). This is the belief that the wine and bread at communion literally turn into Jesus' blood and flesh in a partaker's stomach. The Bible is very clear that the Lord's Supper is simply a time for REMEMBERING the atoning work of our precious Saviour...
"And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come." v-1st Corinthians 11:24-26"
The bread and wine are His Body and Blood, THE EATING/DRINKING OF IT IS DONE IN REMEMBERANCE, AND SHOWS FORTH HIS DEATH UNTIL HE COMES BACK.
BUT YOU LEAVE OUT THE REST OF WHAT PAUL SAID,
WHICH SHOWS THIS IS REAL BODY AND BLOOD.
"Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, NOT DISCERNING THE LORD'S BODY."
some Calvinist's twist this to mean not discerning the assembled brethren as the body of Christ, but that is not what it means or else you wouldn't have this:
"FOR THIS CAUSE MANY ARE WEAK AND SICKLY AMONG YOU, AND MANY SLEEP. For if we would judge ourselves,
we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not
be condemned with the world."
I Cor. 11:27-32 evidently this is not final damnation referred to, but lesser judgement for discipline.
CLEARLY THERE IS SOMETHING PRESENT THAT CAN BE OFFENDED. It also looks like it is not just
the absence of sin, but the presence of recognition of the bread and wine as body and blood of Christ that makes one worthy,
with a heavy focus on the latter.
THAT THIS IS THE INTERPRETATION OF THE EARLY CHURCH IS SHOWN BY THE WORDS OF JUSTIN MARTYR c. AD
150, who was taught by a very old man whose life would have overlapped that of St. John the Apostle, and Justin was
conversant with the beliefs and practices of Christians in the Middle East,
AND OF IRENAEUS c. AD 180, who was taught by the aged Polycarp who was himself taught by the
Apostle John.
Despite the years involved, the actual transmission of belief is only one remove from an Apostle
and two removes from Jesus Christ Himself in both cases for these men.
because of the problem of focus on externals and the "godparent" system being relied on to train
youth, I suspect that many "Orthodox" will not become truly Orthodox until first they have gotten into Protestantism, and then return to Orthodoxy (such are called reverts instead of converts) with a better understanding of what they left.
While everything is geared to bring body soul and spirit into worship of Christ, if details and meaning are not explained they are not self evident.
Emergent church playing with icons and the Jesus prayer does them no good, because of the mind
blurring contemplative nonsense, and effort to use the Jesus Prayer like a mantra to blank
your mind when you are supposed
to be consciously focused on it. contemplative prayer and lectio
divina began as contemplation of Scripture and reading Scripture to put it in practice among the
Desert Fathers, but in RC medieval monasteries after the Great Schism and loss of some grace they fell into the error
now plaguing protestant evangelicalism and RC, and probably ennabled the deceptive marian visions as well.
Have you gotten that hate thing for your mother dealt with yet, Christine?
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
(brother is used as generic term meaning all others)
As of last argument on that topic you had at this place it looks like a no. (has anything changed on that front?)
Miss Erikson at 3:41 PM.
You are gnostic to the core.
Anon 3:43,
I told you already I will not discuss my personal issues here.
Matt. 18:15-17
"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee
and him alone: If he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
"But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or
three witnesses every word may be established.
"And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."
Nothing has stopped you before.
The verses you quote are about accountability as in holding someone's feet to the fire. That is what we are to do if able to.
But we are always to forgive as Jesus forgave us. Eph 4:31 &32. Look it up ;).
Forgiveness is the outflow of being forgiven by Jesus ourselves.
So you appear to be still hanging on to the hate then, since you cannot say that has ceased. Is that correct?
Hate does not fit being the Lord's disciple. How can you justify yourself then?
All the religion in the world won't fix that problem. Guess you don't know that or perhaps don't want to know that?......
Whatever.
the verses are indeed about what to do if able to, but NOTICE THE LAST VERSE about how to view your
brother who is not repentant.
Matt. 18:17
"And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."
anonymous,
I agree about Isaiah Ch. 17 and ISIS, thanks. The frightening aspect of all with Psalm 83 War is the potential of it fulfilling other prophecies. The timing is unknown though. 1. Damascus 2. the dam in Egypt being destroyed and the subsequent radioactivity in the water, if Egypt involves itself, 3. Elam
Look at what Jeremiah the Prophet said about Southwest Iran, or Elam:
"Behold, I will break THE BOW of Elam, the foremost of their might"
Can it be said any plainer that he is writing about their missiles and that they are the greatest of Iran's arsenal? Either an earthquake, an accident, or an IAF strike will destroy the factories.
How the water crisis hoax fits right into Agenda 21
http://wakeup-world.com/2015/04/15/we-have-the-peak-oil-myth-now-peak-water-too/
Christine Erikson,
"but since the Gog Magog war is explicitly mentioned in Revelation, it won't happen until after Christ has reigned on earth 1,000 years"
With respect, that is not correct.
Yes, the second of the two is far in the future, after the millennium. But those are two different wars from what we understand. The invasion in Ezekiel Ch 38 will follow that of Ch 39. Prophecies need not be written in an order of chronology, like instructions.
Regards
With respect Richard, neither correct nor respect are part of chritine's communicative currency!
August 15, 2013
David J. Stewart Says "I Personally am Not a Christian..."
Posted by Seek the Truth on August 15, 2013 / Labels: contradictions, jesus is savior /
David J. Stewart adamantly proclaims Jesus Christ as his savior throughout his web site. You may be surprised to learn that David Stewart, in fact, has stated publicly that he is NOT a Christian! We're sure that there are those who will defend David and say that we are making this up. Even so, the truth is the truth. Read on.
Here is one example from May 2005 of David claiming to be a Christian. He actually states it twice in the same paragraph:....
http://davidjstewartexposed.blogspot.com/
Chritine, are you Sick? Jesus Christ said, 'do this in remembrance of me', not, 'do this in perpetual sacrifice of me '!
Are you a cannibal in spirit?
Jesus Christ also said he is the door, but he's not made of wood with hinges and a brass handle now is he?'!
When Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior said 'it is finished ' he meant it!
What blasphemy you and your false Russian -Romish establishment disseminate! No wonder you are not unitedly called Babylon the Great, the Mother of all Harlots!
Richard,
you said ..."and the prophecy says the surrounding groups will be wiped out by Israel, ..."
I'm trying to see that after reading Psalm 83 a few times. It seems to me to be a plea to God to do these things, and I don't see Israel as the aggressor, rather Israel pleading with God to be that.
What am I missing?
I am very much interested in the notion that Psalm 83 could be about the time in which we live, and it reminds me of Psalm 2 though with more details.
Richard said
"Yes, the second of the two is far in the future, after the millennium. But those are two different wars from what we understand. The invasion in Ezekiel Ch 38 will follow that of Ch 39. Prophecies need not be written in an order of chronology, like instructions."
Rev. 20:8 is the issue.
your point about prophecies and chronology is correct, but that means that stuff we expect to see
all in one piece may be accomplished in segments, things we have seen may be partly duplicated. The kings of the north
and south wars in Daniel have already been played out exactly,
but early church writers like Hippolytus who knew Maccabbees where
a lot of the history is, and Josephus, expected some to happen in future as I recall.
Christine
Christine, what you do not care to understand is that Jesus loved the heathen and the publican (aren't we all heathens and publicans until we get born again by the Spirit of God? Oh that's right you don't believe in that).
He offered them forgiveness, and of course, if a refusal to His offer then He did not have an association with them.
He simply walked away and left people to their own choice.
It was not His fault if they turned him down.
That is on those who turn down forgiveness to live with the eternal consequences of that terrible choice.
But we who say we love the Lord and have actually repented and placed our faith in Jesus--not religious things about Him--but HIM!!! trusting in His Blood that cleanses us because it was shed already-----------and not needed to be expressed symbolically anymore-------because already shed in actuality--and therefore received forgiveness unto salvation, then it is we who must be willing to give forgivenness as was given to us in the first place.
There's your problem.
You are not willing to forgive in the first place.
If you were you would not still harbor the hate for her and spread it here or anywhere for that matter. And would have already declared that as done when you were asked.
Your sin of unforgivenness remains. It is evident in how you treat people and how you wrongly handle the Word of the Lord also.
So much so that you may very well be in danger of the bitter root within you. A bitter root that becomes a hardened heart that by then becomes unable to repent. God knows this part for sure when we cannot. He does let us know by His Spirit if the spirit in another is bearing witness.
By the sounds of your lifestyle and religiosity you do not bear witness that you are indeed forgiven yourself, or you would have a forgiveness view toward the publican and the heathen. And by your own multitudes of words here you clearly don't.
anon 7:06
the Eucharist is referred to as "the UNbloody sacrifice" because what is sacrificed or given
to God is the bread and wine, which He then gives back to us transformed. (transubstantiation
term refers to a complex rationalistic explanation of when why and how the transformation
takes place, we Orthodox prefer to leave all that a mystery and call is transformation.)
cannibalism usually refers to eating people who are dead, and all the prohibitions of eating blood
is in context of food which is from a dead animal. The first Eucharist was performed before Jesus
died, and all subsequent after He came back to life.
I think if you apply the somewhat joking term, "you are what you eat" to this matter, you will get
the idea of its purpose. To receive some of Him into us that, if we cooperate, will help us with
our struggle against the old nature and also make us closer to Him.
Anyway, your argument is with Him and what The Apostle John taught Polycarp, who taught it to Irenaeus, who operated in a context that, like that of Justin Martyr, believed this transformation occurred.
That this was indeed the belief of the early Church is shown in that they were accused of cannibalism.
However, what was assumed to be the case was eating flesh from the dead regular humans, not miraculously present from One Who Lives.
The Miracle of Lanciano, a preschism miracle which shows that unleavened bread is as legitimate
as leavened, was when bread and wine turned into flesh and blood. Recent tests show the dried blood
clots have the chemical quality of FRESH blood after over a thousand years, when this quality is lost in a few hours or days. The flesh is cardiac muscle.
Even Luther kept this belief, but figured bread and wine remained with The Body and Blood being added to it
miraculously so more than "accidents" of bread and wine remained.
Take it up with Luther.
When something "represents" something it is a link to it. and the word symbol which to us means
an empty sign and not the thing it refers to, in Greek means the EMBODIMENT of what is referred to, which is why the Creed is called the symbolon of the faith.
Probably in His mercy, He does not cause a transformation or send His body and blood into the
eucharists of those who reject this doctrine, so they don't sin by eating unworthily. I on the
other hand would prefer the real thing.
"trusting in His Blood that cleanses us because it was shed already-----------and not needed to be expressed symbolically anymore-------because already shed in actuality"
(meant to include this)
That is why the Lord's table is now an ordinance and not a sacrement. It is symbolic of the actual blood at the time he spilled on the cross which is now long in the past and not perpetually doing the cleansing at that time when we are receiving communion. It pictures past not present because Jesus has already died once for all sin for all time.
In the times before the cross of Christ people placed their faith looking forward------in the coming sacrifice of the Lord Jesus. In the times after the cross of Christ we look back and remember. The Lord's supper is for remembering--------------------not atoning at that point because it has already happened.
Why do so many people insist that Jesus still be left hanging like that?????????????? He arose and reigns now so why leave him hanging on the cross in your heart?
He should be on the throne of your heart if you say you believe.
No amount of holy water and the crazy cracker thing will save you Christine Erikson.
"so they don't sin by eating unworthily. I on the
other hand would prefer the real thing."
With unrepented sin in your life you [[are]] eating unworthily.
You are a pious fraud.
anon 8:19
A sacrament
is defined as the external physical sign of an internal invisible grace.
And you don't find "ordinance"
in connection with all this sort of thing in the NT that is a word
meaning a judgement, a decision a decree.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=sacrament
says it is a Latin loan word which comes from the Greek mysterion or mystery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament#Eastern_and_Oriental_Orthodox_teaching we consider there are
more than seven,just that they are the seven major ones. Burial
of the dead, tonsure of monastics, and so forth are lesser
sacraments.
"More specifically, for the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christian the term
sacrament is a term which seeks to classify something that may, according to Orthodox thought, be
impossible to classify. The Orthodox communion's preferred term is Sacred Mystery. While the
Catholic Church has attempted to dogmatically define the sacraments, and discover the precise
moment when the act results in the manifestation of the grace of God, the Orthodox communion has
refrained from attempting to determine absolutely the exact form, number and effect of the
sacraments, accepting simply that these elements are unknowable to all except God. According to
Orthodox thinking God touches mankind through material means such as water, wine, bread, oil,
incense, candles, altars, icons, etc. How God does this is a mystery. On a broad level, the
mysteries are an affirmation of the goodness of created matter, and are an emphatic declaration
of what that matter was originally created to be.
Despite this broad view, Orthodox divines do write about there being seven "principal" mysteries.
On a specific level, while not systematically limiting the mysteries to seven, the most
profound Mystery is the Eucharist or Synaxis, in which the partakers, by participation in the liturgy and receiving
the consecrated bread and wine (understood to have become the body and blood of Christ)
directly communicate with God. Neither in the Catholic view of transubstantiation nor in that of the Orthodox is a claim made to
understand how exactly this happens: the Catholic view is that "the signs of bread and wine become, in a way surpassing
understanding, the Body and Blood of Christ";[26] and the Orthodox merely state: "This appears to in the form of bread and wine, but
God has told me it is His Body and Blood. I will take what He says as a 'mystery' and not
attempt to rationalize it to my limited mind".
the heretics who rejected the idea of literal presence of Christ's Body and Blood were mostly
gnostic such as the bogomils and albigensians and some others (some of whom merely because "persecuted" were assumed to be good Christians, the real church, by some Baptists and so forth,
but in fact their doctrines would have had them kicked out of most churches that claim them as ancestors). So you are not in good company.
I forgot to mention martyr St. Ignatius of Antioch, who supported the real presence in the
Eucharist, c. AD 80 - 110.
MCE you are a unrepentant rebellious pious fraud.
Ain't she so, Anon 8:54!!
Must see video here!!!
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/04/jade-helm-first-strike-time-to-prepare-suspicious-walmart-closings-picture-video-3137948.html
https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/new-evidence-bizarre-simultaneous-walmart-store-closings-draw-customer-suspicions/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n9QjMm0ECM
mike hoggard may have problems or not, I don't know all his stuff, but this is an excellent expose
of Texe Marrs and pastor Steven Anderson as anti Jewish.
Anderson has an excellent expose of the pre trib rapture,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aB2mu1_DvI
There are some sites that will show all kinds of illuminists and new age connections to Zionism,
but God has used His enemies to accomplish His goals lots of times, as when He raised pagan
empires to discipline Israel, and even enforced the land Sabbaths
Lev. 26:33-35 II Chron. 36:21
so none of that research matters.
Steven Anderson is also good in refuting Calvinist once saved always saved
but beyond that he gets problematic. This anti semitic stuff is a serious problem.
NO ONE IS TOTALLY RELIABLE. no one can be looked for to be a trustworthy source all the time. Such a person other than Jesus Christ does not exist. As Anderson himself says, don't go
by men but by The Bible. But while he spotted some things in it proving his teachers wrong on some things, seems he missed some other things.
the 8:48 PM post (of I wonder who?) to "digest", is as dry as chewing sawdust. About as tasty too. Dead "stuff" brought to us by a bitter heart and fleshly mind that is dead to living the real freedom of forgiveness in Christ.
But read the bible cover to cover, day in and day out, year by year by year, it never grows dull or lifeless, as the Spirit of God makes the words, the life, the death, and resurrection of Jesus alive and real and life changing from each page of it prayed and applied (with challenge but much reward) into a humble believing heart and life. Being forgiven and forgiving is proof of the life of Jesus in a heart and soul and spirit that knows that all love, honor, and worship belong to Him-not vain and empty repetitions of religion (that uses His name but denies the power thereof). That is the trouble with post 8:48 and all endless-other vain repetitions that presented it.
The contrast is telling isn't it?
anon 12:48
there is no conflict like you pretend exists between historic Christian practice and forgiveness.
And the reason there is such a sex abuse and coverup problem in some denominations, is precisely
because of your kind of
UNBIBLICAL concept of forgiveness which is applied to prevent justice.
THERE IS CONFLICT BETWEEN THE BIBLE such as verses I keep showing you and you despise such
as "let him be to you as a heathen and a publican,"
and your unbiblical notion of unconditional forgiveness of the unrepentant. If you are reading
The Bible and not noticing issues of justice and avoiding evil doers then you are reading it
with blinders on.
"you are what you eat"
Christine, that is true.
And true also, is the regurgitated and upchucked new age mantras of your "supposed christian" theology.
You eat garbage every day, all day long.
No wonder your spiritual breath is foul.
There is no conflict for forgiving (because forgiven) people.
When will you S E E ?
when will you see things like
Matt. 18:17 "...let him be to you as a heathen man and a publican."
and Acts 2:40 "Save yourselves from this untoward generation" or "from this evil generation."
you hammer one concept out of any other concept. you ignore context, YOU ARE NOT RIGHTLY DIVIDING
THE WORD OF TRUTH, "rightly dividing" is Strong's Concordance
orthotomeó: to cut straight
Original Word: ὀρθοτομέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: orthotomeó
Phonetic Spelling: (or-thot-om-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I cut straight, handle correctly
Definition: I cut straight; met: I handle correctly, teach rightly.
http://biblehub.com/greek/3718.htm
whatever blur you are in (or perhaps you are an outright satanist and trying to mislead me
on purpose) it is not consistent with SOBRIETY OF MIND.
Titus 2:12
Yes, when WILL we ignorant inferior beings 'see' what the all-knowing Christine sees???
Anyone who has just clicked on this blog for the first time, must think they have landed in a loony bin!!!
LOL
"Forgiveness is at the very heart of the Christian faith, so it is little wonder that satan has spent so much time and effort distorting the exact essence of its meaning."
The Sin of Forgiveness by Edward F. Mrkvicka jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Sin-Forgiveness-Jr-Edward-Mrkvicka-ebook/dp/B00BWZYVDE/ref=sr_1_1_twi_2_kin?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429204913&sr=1-1&keywords=the+sin+of+forgiveness
"Forgiveness is at the very heart of the Christian faith,"
And not the very heart of you, Christine Erikson.
We can expect justice from the Lord and be forgiving at the same time. Well.....we can.
Not you, however. Your unrepentant heart knows nothing of forgiveness so knows nothing of the very heart of the Christian faith. Jesus taught mercy (while he took the brunt for justice, and even little children can get that, but not you. You better hope you don't receive justice for your own self.
You have your own version of 'faith' and it is based squarely on yourself with tons of old pagan idolatrous roots. And it is from the darkness....yes, makes you a pious fraud.
http://ecowatch.com/2015/04/16/pope-francis-climate-change-summit/
Wonder where is this headed?
http://bushhitler.blogspot.com/2005_02_20_archive.html
Charles Lindbergh, Alexis Carrel, Henry Ford -- More Nazi Stealth Agent Industrialists and Heros to Ponder
Charles Lindbergh, Alexis Carrel, Henry Ford
Uncommon Friends: Life with Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Harvey Firestone, Alexis Carrel, and Charles Lindbergh
by James D. Newton
Paperback: 384 pages
Publisher: Harvest/HBJ Book (June 1, 1989)
ISBN: 0156926202
page lists all quotes of interest showing weird stuff about them.
Don't we know enough bad stuff already? I don't have a need to know about every single conspiracy something or other that is on the planet. Time is better spent in seeking wisdom for how to live with what is currently on our plates to deal with.
Ms Erikson, you must wealthy, without having to work to keep your head above water, with all of the leisure time to spend on what is wrong with everybody, everything, non-stop every day, all day long.
"Don't we know enough bad stuff already? I don't have a need to know about every single conspiracy something or other that is on the planet. Time is better spent in seeking wisdom for how to live with what is currently on our plates to deal with. "
Take it up with Constance, what do you think this blog is all about?
I know it is not about you and your totally self-absorbed, selfish slant on every topic and your non-stop entertainment.
But that is all you've got. What reason do you have to get up in the morning? Or do you do your conspiracy chasing all day long while in bed?
WTF?!
I did not make that post at 5:40 PM. I was busy listening to a video!
What a disgrace to write such filth Christine! And then using the initials of a vile coarse expression! You're losing what little sanity you had! So sad!!
anon. 5:51
what I said does not qualify as filth. but your slathering on the terms like vile, coarse and if you
are "Frank" the obscenely detailed analogies that were why for a while I addressed you
as "person who likes to talk about rotting maggots" or something like that, IS FILTH.
why don't you just leave? you don't do anything but tie up this comments section in complaints.
No my name isn't Frank, so you are WRONG AGAIN accusing spirit Christine! Everyone can see your comment 'wt*', although you evidently deleted the last ones to hide your tracks. Disingenuous coward!
I didn't delete anything. but the accuser here is you and of course Frank if he's still here. accuser, and liar.
And I said IF you are Frank, but Frank or not, your "vile and coarse" phrasing is a tad
filthier than a mere WTF, why not say "profane" which is a more polite term? HYPOCRITE.
For the record, the post I was yelling about, was one done using my name in blue letter and appeared
like any I would post, which had me telling an anon "you're DESCPICABLE" (should have been
spelled "Dethpicable" since it was supposed to be Daffy Duck)
which was some kind of hacking to do this.
My reaction to this started the latest brawl.
Aw Shaddup! I haven't taken Constance Cumbey's blog, I am the only one that makes it anything but a forgotten desert! She's hardly ever here anymore anyway. As I said before, I am the life of this blog and it'd be nothing without me (my post at 4:48 pm for instance) . What decent post have you contributed lately, anon 7:09pm? If you don't like it, leave and stop tying up the comments section here!
You've got mail!
What on earth are you on about Chritine?
"Ms Erikson, you must wealthy, without having to work to keep your head above water, with all of the leisure time to spend on what is wrong with everybody, everything, non-stop every day, all day long."
Well Mike my Resident Seer brings home whatever bucks he's made hustling this and that and on seeing things of concern and omen for anyone wanting their minds put at ease about the future, down at the market on weekends. He saw this orange blob by the door leading to the garage once, casting an eerie glow over an old stack of black candles of his as though they were on fire. I saw it too after he'd explained what to look for! He's got such a knack for it, he takes right after his grandma.
So we get enough coming in from that to make ends mee. Although they've stopped my SSI payments so things aren't always that easy.
that doesn't remotely resemble anything about him or me except for the SSI being gone.
"Jesus Himself did not teach the filioque, He said The Holy Spirit proceeds from The Father, not "from The Father and Me," and He said He would send The Holy Spirit "From The Father," not "I will send the Holy Spirit From The Father and From Me.""
Wow how ignorant is that statement.
Jesus said I and the Father are One. When you have seen me you have seen the Father.
Christine, are calling Jesus Christ wrong? You split all the wrong hairs so very often you have proven your speed read of the Bible pretty much misses the message entirely.
Add to that what an unloving, unforgiving, and crude of mind and mouth person you are.
anon 11:41,
are you saying that Jesus is One with The Father in the sense of being THE SAME PERSON?
If so you are a modalist heretic (I think also called Sabellian), which is refuted by what happened
at Jesus' baptism.
The Father spoke, The Holy Spirit descended in the form of a dove on Jesus, and Jesus was standing there.
ALL THREE DISTINCT PERSONS. One God Who exists as Three Persons.
are you saying Jesus put on a fake show whenever He prayed to The Father, or that He was
deludedly talking to Himself?
Jesus said that all the Father has is His, and that The Holy Spirit will not speak from or of Himself
but will take what is of Christ and explain this to the Apostles. For these reasons, The Holy Spirit
is called The Spirit of Christ, but even as The Son's origin is from The Father, begotten before time by The Father, The Holy Spirit's origin is by procession or spiration before time from The Father.
Woke up all achy this morning. I couldn't sleep a wink last night, I think my sacro-chakra must be out of salts (even Mike said my emotions were erratic lately...). I think it must be my late mother having a vampiric fantasma feed!
I feel as if the very ether has been sucked from my bein: unless it's the effects of the largactil taking its toll... Sure feels like more though!
BTW, I think my account's been hacked! It might be my imagination but something strange is happening round here lately. Just letting you all know!
"ALL THREE DISTINCT PERSONS. One God Who exists as Three Persons."
Yes that is what I am saying. Three in One. 3 yet 1.
It is you who confuses this.
Every topic turns to mud when you enter the discussion. You are the one who does not know what you actually believe. (Does not keep you from a deluge of talking points to highlight how confused you are though.)
8:00 AM post does not sound like Christine's usual crap. It reads like someone else's.
"but even as The Son's origin is from The Father, begotten before time by The Father, The Holy Spirit's origin is by procession or spiration before time from The Father."
All co-eternal. All being all, all at once and always. 3 yet 1.
But argue you will, like you were there to witness the beginning of God. Is there no end to your arrogance?
You are more than weird. You are deluded. Go clean your dirty house and while you are at it-your dirty mind.
And GOD will shut you up.
You'll see.
Reads like Chritine to me, 10:16 am. They must have changed her meds or something, or upped the dose... Who knows!
anon 10:14
""ALL THREE DISTINCT PERSONS. One God Who exists as Three Persons."
Yes that is what I am saying. Three in One. 3 yet 1."
NO YOU DID NOT SAY THIS, YOU SAID THAT JESUS SAID HE AND HIS FATHER ARE ONE, IN RESPONSE TO THE ISSUE
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT PROCEEDING FROM THE FATHER ALONE.
without clarification which you have just made, this is a MODALIST or SABELLIAN heretical position.
"It is you who confuses this."
No, I clarified this, it is you who presented an essentially heretical concept to defend the
filioque.
The Eunomians (a kind of extreme arianists) started the idea of The Holy Spirit proceeding from The Son.
This is not confusion or rambling, any more than an explanation of how a car works (which can fill a
book) is confusion or rambling.
What's more, anon 10:14 is although I've been regularly bashed here for chakras and whatnot (see Eccles. 12:16) my interpretations have certainly not been out of sink with EO theological thought as neither have my views regards the filioque... , my thoughts are far from New Age thinking as far as I'm concerned, then again my thoughts are not yours!
Just double-checked, I couldn't find Eccles12:16 and then saw it's Ec 12:06 where the contention lies. It must be due to my sacro-chakras being out of sorts, I'll get Mike to concentrate all his talent and have a look when he gets back.
all you who pretend to post under my name, and somehow manage to make it look blue and link to my
blogger profile sort of,
and somehow rig the page so that verify generates nothing to copy but thank God the post button still works,
I think you have proven my point, that it is YOU who are the jammers, trolls and blog hogs who sow confusion.
How dare you all! You're probably possessed by my mother or something.... How many of you shape -shifting vampires are there?
You jammers, trolls and blog sows who hog confusion.
"Jesus said I and the Father are One. When you have seen me you have seen the Father."
Yes, they are One, including One with the Holy Spirit so All co-eternal all 3 being 1.
Don't act so daft! You are very busy confusing yourself again!!!!
anon 1:20
I am not confusing myself or anyone and you are backpedalling.
you used those statements to argue
that Christ didn't mean what He said, when He said that The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father,
but really He proceeds from both like the filioque says, because, according to your use of Jesus'
words about being one with The Father, there is no difference between the Father and The Son and
therefore if The Holy Spirit proceeds from The Father, He also proceeds from the Son because the
Father and Son are "one."
you try to adopt a Trinitarian stance to cover for this, but a modalist position (which denies
three distinct persons and roles within The Trinity) is the only position you can be coming from,
and argue for the filioque on the basis of Jesus and The Father being one.
It is of course possible that you are so confused that you don't realize what you said, but now you
see the modalism inherent in this defense of the filioque.
Modalism claims that God is one Person who plays different roles and puts on different masks
for different occasions, which is modalism, that there is one PErson Who operates in different modes,
not Three Persons Who are together One God.
It is not that kind of oneness that Jesus was talking about, or else He would be in contradiction
of what is shown at His baptism in Scripture.
I have said the same thing all along. it is you who does not get this.
Your 'god' is so small and a 'toy' in your mind to keep your favorite sport and entertainment going.
You live to fight and argue. Without this blog to occupy you, you would have to go get real and deal with your self hatred and hatred for others.
Excellently put, 2:26 pm!!!
I think Christine is right; her account has been hacked.
How can we tell the difference? The real Christine uses the word 'stuff' a lot.
anon 6:13,
get stuffed... n stuff!!
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