Tuesday, May 10, 2011

NEWT GINGRICH'S NEW AGE - JUST IN TIME FOR 2012?

CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT NEWT GINGRICH  AND "THE NEW AGE", "GLOBAL CIVIL SOCIETY" AND "GLOBAL GOVERNANCE"





Newt Gingrich has just announced he plans to run for President in 2012.  And a whole bunch of undiscerning “Conservatives” and “Christians” might just well back him.  The entire affair will be to the utter delight of New Age strategists and global planners who well consider Newt Gingrich an indispensable part of their apparatus.

Recently resigned State Department official Dr. Anne-Marie Slaughter believes that the “New World Order” of which she is an unashamed proponent is already well in place.  It is a network of networks, per Slaughter.  It is composed of equivalent globalized governmental layers from all levels of government from the executive to the legislative and judiciary and down through various levels of bureaucracies including  regulatory commissions sharing information and planning “model legislation” together.  All levels also interact with “Non-governmental organizations” (NGO’s).  Business is tied together by “The UN Global Compact.”  Perhaps nobly, more aptly scarily is this obviously global fascistic goal as stated by former UN General Kofi Annan, of “shared values and principles, which give a human face to the global market.” (emphasis added).  All corporate participants are expected to pledge allegiance to the principles of “diversity” and “fighting climate change” (defined at least at present as “global warming.) 

Query:  What “shared values”?  What “shared principles”?  Also, the “banking crisis” artificially generated or otherwise, has led to calls for “a new financial architecture for the 21st Century.  (Slaughter, A NEW WORLD ORDER, p. 20).

Now, just how does NEWT GINGRICH, fit into the increasing momentum of the global governance agenda?  He was, bluntly, an “early adopter.”  In 1996 before he left Congress in scandal, he was putting together incredibly linked global governance networks.  According to Anne-Marie Slaughter’s 2004 Princeton University Press book, A NEW WORLD ORDER:

“When Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House, he was convinced that parliamentary networks would give domestic legislators a new role in foreign policy.  In 1996 he sent a letter to his Russian counterpart, Gennadyy Seleznyov, to create a forum made up of members of U.S. and Russian legislatures to discuss issues of defense, foreign policy, energy, and the environment on a regular basis.  The result was the U.S. Congress-Russian Duma Study Group.” 

Newt Gingrich did this at the “legislative level.”  His very good friend and New Age buddy, Al Gore, did likewise at the  executive level.  According to Anne-Slaughter, “The [Gore’s]commission created a special channel to advance not only common political objectives but also to enhance each politician’s political position at home.” (emphasis added) (Slaughter, A NEW WORLD ORDER, p. 114)

Wading deeper and deeper into global government (ooops, governance) territories, Newt Gingrich created “the Twenty-First Century International Legislators Network.”  This, per Slaughter, he “launched in 1996.”  It was “sponsored” by the U.S. Congressional Institute.  This was to be “a global web of legislators.” 

If Gingrich were talking, which he undoubtedly non-stop is, he would probably say it was “to strengthen democracy around the world.”  Knowing the New Age agenda as I do, I would say that was neither probable nor possible.  Considering that one of Newt Gingrich’s more recent books is entitled A CONTRACT WITH THE EARTH, Earth Charter ramifications are abundantly clear.

I opened my personal file on Newt Gingrich in 1982 after reading articles about him in Marilyn Ferguson’s LEADING EDGE BULLETIN.  She wrote of the brave Georgian Congressman, Newt Gingrich, who was working so hard to advance the New Age agenda.  I continued to follow his exploits through his insensitive serving of divorce papers on his first wife Jackie as she was recovering from cancer surgery; his remarriage to his aide Marianne; his affair while married to Marianne to the woman now his wife.  In 1989, I was contacted by one of his former aides and campaign managers, a man known as “Chip”.  This was the same  close observer and former aide quoted in the press as saying that no matter how much good he did for the world, he could never do enough good to offset the evil he had caused by supporting Newt Gingrich’s original election campaign.  The “Christian” Gingrich wrote Chip that his daily practice of Taoism helped him make his daily decisions in Congress.

Mark Satin's website has this interesting entry:

"[Newt] Gingrich's influence in the third way movement [has] brought on kudos from the likes of New Age 'philosopher' Mark Satin [who has] identified Gingrich as a top 'decentralist / globally responsible' [thinker].  An interesting paradox, that fits the odd decentralism of the Third Way. . . .  Beyond that, Mr. Satin . . . is not the kind of man you expect to be praising [Gingrich]."
-- Steve Farrell & Diane Alden, "Third Way Contract," Independent American Party , c. January 2005”


 
Newt Gingrich wrote in many of his official bio’s for conservative causes that his degree was in “history.”  In actuality, it was in the New Age full employment program of “Environmental Studies.”  In the mid 1980s, Mark Satin, author of NEW AGE POLITICS and NEW OPTIONS newsletter gave “Internationalist” rankings for Congressmen.  Heading the list with the best “internationalist” voting records in Congress were Newt Gingrich and Marci Kapteyn, a Congresswoman from Toledo, Ohio.

Another interesting analysis of Newt Gingrich appeared in a 1986 edition of the Los Angeles Times.  It noted how he was most likely a left leaner, but learned that the right got the votes.  Ergo, he suddenly veered course to the right.   That analysis troubles me more than the Alvin Toffler, Heidi Toffler, Environmental Studies analyses which are a red flag of New Age danger in and of themselves..  It suggests a man who is more amoral than immoral.  Such a person to my way of thinking is most dangerous of all – he does nothing from conviction or reason, but does all from a analysis of personal advantage.

Another astute Gingrich watcher is writer Steve Farrell.  You can read his 2001 analysis by clicking the link here.  Excerpting in part, we read:

On November 11, 1994, still bubbling and cocksure over the Republican takeover of both Houses, his coming coronation as Speaker of the House, and his annointing as King of the Republican Revolution, Gingrich couldn't resist exploiting the moment to put in a free plug for something he so devoutly believed in.
"The core of our Contract," and the solution for those "trying to figure out how to put me in a box," he said, could be found in a book by futurist Alvin Toffler called "The Third Way;" to which he added: "I am a conservative futurist ." (1)
Futurism, as already alluded to, is one and the same with the Third Way or Third Wave, but for brevity sake, Webster's Dictionary gives us another take on this subject.
"Futurism: Study of, and interest in, forecasting or anticipating the future, or theorizing on how to impose controls on events." (2)
Or in other words, a head in the clouds political philosophy, complete with theories and forecasts, which envisions the use of force to insure those theories and forecasts come to past.
It would not be a stretch to call it communism with economic vision, for that is what the futurists of the Third Way call it. But, what then, is a conservative futurist? If we believe Newt Gingrich, it is in person, a post 1994 Republican. And it is in policy, the Contract With America, the go along, get along policies of a party who for the next six year "caved" under Clinton, and the faith-based subsidies, public private partnership, fast track hopes, and bipartisan spirit of today’s Compassionate Conservativism movement - the latter of which had its start in the legislation and underlying principles of that same Gingrich Contract . . .”

Perhaps Newt Gingrich is not really an ideological New Ager, but instead is one who saw political advantage at the time as portraying himself in certain circles as one.  As dangerous as an ideologue of any stripe potentially is, I would prefer one to a self-centered narcissist.  Perhaps an ideologue could be converted.  A narcissist could only be reinforced.  While we are all sinners in need of saving by Grace, I fear we have somebody in public life who lacks both conviction and shame.

Germany once put somebody in office that bragged that if one repeated a lie often enough and loud enough, people would believe it.  Too many people do.  I fear that the USA may well be on the verge of doing the same vis a vis Newt Gingrich.   As far as the Christians not seeing through Newt Gingrich, this is what I have to say to them.  “If you couldn’t see through Rev. Moon (“Lord of the Second Advent) and you couldn’t see through Paul N. Temple (Institute of Noetic Sciences co-founder active with the Prayer Breakfast Network of Douglas Coe), then I can hardly expect you to see through Newt Gingrich!

May the Lord help us all!


Stay tuned!


CONSTANCE

131 comments:

Anonymous said...

Gosh, I sure hope not! Seems there are others who might be more popular with conservatives and middle=of the roaders, such as Pawlenty, even Cain, who did well at a Fox News supported debate of Republican candidates.

Mariel

Anonymous said...

Mariel,

I agree.

I, for one prefer Pawlenty to the others. I would gladly vote for Cain as well.

paul said...

The eye of a newt is a very
important ingredient in any
powerful witches brew.

Susanna said...

Paul,

A very important ingredient indeed!

Double double toil and trouble.

Fire burn, and caldron bubble.

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,—
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble........


MACBETH

By William Shakespeare
:-)

Anonymous said...

Newt's sister is a very vocal lesbian!

Constance Cumbey said...

About E. O. Wilson who wrote foreword for Newt's book, CONTRACT WITH THE EARTH from Wikipedia:

Edward Osborne Wilson (born June 10, 1929) is an American biologist, researcher (sociobiology, biodiversity), theorist (consilience, biophilia), naturalist (conservationist) and author. His biological specialty is myrmecology, the study of ants.
Wilson is a two-time winner of the Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction. He is known for his scientific career, his role as "the father of sociobiology", his environmental advocacy, and his secular-humanist and deist ideas pertaining to religious and ethical matters.[1]
As of 2007, he is Pellegrino University Research Professor in Entomology for the Department of Organismic and Evolutionary Biology at Harvard University and a Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. He is a Humanist Laureate of the International Academy of Humanism.[2][3]

paul said...

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of Humanism

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Anonymous said...

Sorry to see
Newt Gingrich, who is only a possible (republican) presidential candidate, receive such a tirade while our current islamic President slid into office without so much as a whimper from this site. Berry’s AC and New Age leanings are far more evident than any other candidate regardless of party. You’re worried about a snake in the road while ignoring the charging Rhino.

Constance Cumbey said...

Newt Gingrich is not a POSSIBLE Republican candidate; he IS a REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE and has officially declared!

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

TO ANONYMOUS 3:06

I said plenty about Obama, but I did choose to ignore the very ridiculous "birther" arguments. Some of you were rabid and fell so very well for that particular brand of "watch the fundamentalist run" game, thus negating in the public eye of many our valid arguments concerning his stance on homosexuality and abortion.

CONSTANCE

Anonymous said...

wow!
The temperament in your response is.... interesting.

Anonymous said...

In the PC Public eye "homosexuality and abortion" are not issues and certainly could never get Berry removed from office. But like the "taking down" of Al Capone (another Chicago thug) birthers saw a possibility through legal means to accomplish their goal.

Anonymous said...

Pawlenty? Cain, the Godfather's Pizza guy? Someone actually took that debate seriously? Conservatives have one agenda--to continue to increase the income of the weathy and break the backs of those in poverty. They call themselves Christian? How dare they! They continue to pass laws making it impossible for the poor or their children to escape poverty. What part of feed the hungry, clothe the naked don't they get? If Jesus said it, then guess what--it's important!

Believe me, Jesus will separate those goats from the sheep for sure!

Anonymous said...

When I commented on Pawlenty and Cain...I did not
necessarily "take seriously" the debate on Fox News of five declared Republican candidates. I am not a big fan of any person running for president. I supported Huckabee in 2008 but I have lost enthusiasm for him as well, partly because he seems to be anti-Medicare, and does not seem to take into account that some people end up poor in spite of being hard workers and moral, etc.

However, I know that if I am still on earth at voting time in 2012, I will vote for someone if I can limp to the polling place. I voted for McCain even though I had to go on a "walker", not because I was enthusiastic about McCain, but because I could see where the agenda of his opponent would lead. McCain was my first Republican vote, after a lifetime of voting for people who "stood for the little guy."

I finally have realized that the is little humane in politics or government. But we have to have a government under our Constitution, unless we get rid of the Constitution. Therefore, I will have to vote for someone. I will vote for the least obnoxious.

Herman Cain probably would be against Medicare too but he might at least be a good business manager. Perhaps the best we can hope for is a good business executive in the Presidency, someone who will try to straighten out the economic mess. But it is probably too late to straighten it out, after the combined efforts of decades of Republicans and Democrats to undermine it.

Jesus said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar. Would Jesus vote? I don't know. I guess the populace did not vote in ancient Judea, so it didn't come up.

Mariel

Brian said...

Constance, a small correction: I am from Toledo, OH and the congresswoman's name is Marcy Kaptur. She has been impossible to unseat here as the main populace of her district is in the very heavily unionized, automotive-centric, and democratic county of Lucas.

As far as presidential elections, I tend to stay away from the "vote for the lesser of two evils or else you're automatically throwing your vote to the worse of two evils" mentality that is always employed by the politicos to put everyone into a box in which they are convinced that they only have two choices: democrat or republican. That is a load. Last election cycle, in most states, there were six choices. I voted my conscience, which was neither democrat nor republican. And, no, it wasn't even libertarian either, but I did cast a vote for president. I think that people need to educate themselves as to the entire selection of candidates and vote for who they feel is the RIGHT choice, not the one who is more likely to have enough votes to have a chance of defeating the worst candidate.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 8:38 P.M.


Re:They call themselves Christian? How dare they! They continue to pass laws making it impossible for the poor or their children to escape poverty. What part of feed the hungry, clothe the naked don't they get?

And Obama and his motley crew of radicals dare to call themselves "Christian?"

Puh-lease!!!

In case you are not aware of it, this is the same "conscientization" jive used by Marxists with a view to manipulating people into feeling guilty about legitimately acquiring wealth and about supporting the kind of moderate free market capitalist economy that has made this country great.

It is also part of the "politics of envy."

Since we are bringing the Bible into this, envy is one of the seven capital sins according to the Bible.

According to the politics of envy, productivity and profitability is to be punished while incompetence and unprofitability is to be rewarded as everything is dragged down to one dead level of mediocrity in the name of "fairness and/or "political correctness" - which precludes even the idea of "winners" while praising ablebodied albeit lazy "losers" for whom "feeding off of the public trough" has been elevated to the status of a "virtue."

Don't get me wrong. I am as much against laissez-faire capitalism as I am against socialism and communism. At the end of the day, there isn't much difference between one regime in which the means of production are concentrated in the hands of a few "commissars" and another in which the means of production are concentrated in the hands of a few laissez faire "capitalists" or fascists. In either case the means of production winds up being concentrated in the hands of an elite few while the plight of the poor remains the same except for those who tragically feel themselves compelled to sell their consciences for bread to those who "redistribute the wealth" only to those who show themselvces willing to "toe the party line."

A perfect example of "state capitalism" is China.

I don't think that those who support the Conservative Republicans object to the maintenance of a social safety net for those who through no fault of their own are down and out.

However, there are many who are "down and out" through their own fault and instead of taking responsibility for their own failures, they like to blame people like Cain who revived the Godfather's Pizza chain and prevented it from going down the tubes along with all the jobs it provided.

The ones who are continuing to "pass laws making it impossible for the poor or their children to escape poverty" are the radical leftist Democrats and their RINO counterparts who have a vested interest in preserving their "plantation politics" which involves making as many people as possible dependent on the state through unlimited welfare and unemployment benefits which, if anything creates more of a "moral hazard" than it does a "benefit."

What about hard working families who cannot escape poverty beause they are being taxed to death in order to provide slackers with the kinds of things that they cannot afford for their own families???

The cure for the "moral hazard" created by welfare run amok is not to be found in the Bible where it talks about "feeding the hungry" and "clothing the naked."

It is to be found in 2Thessalonians 3::10

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

Anonymous said...

George Soros' ties to 30 major news organizations

When liberal investor George Soros gave $1.8 million to National Public Radio, it became part of the firestorm of controversy that jeopardized NPR’s federal funding. But that gift only hints at the widespread influence the controversial billionaire has on the mainstream media. Soros, who spent $27 million trying to defeat President Bush in 2004, has ties to more than 30 mainstream news outlets – including The New York Times, Washington Post, the Associated Press, NBC and ABC.

Prominent journalists like ABC’s Christiane Amanpour and former Washington Post editor and now Vice President Len Downie serve on boards of operations that take Soros cash. This despite the Society of Professional Journalists' ethical code stating: “avoid all conflicts real or perceived.”

For more...
http://tinyurl.com/628fzf6

Anonymous said...

I see on Born to Watch an article linking to another article making the claim that Obamacare will require everybody to get chipped by 2013. I don't have a copy of the Obamacare fiasco in front of me, so I question if this is really so, but if it is indeed true, it is quite interesting, to say the least. Well, I still think Obamacare is unconstitutional anyway.

SmallFarm said...

I have this theory about socialism. Once we followers of Christ increase in our charity for our fellow man, there will be no need (or perceived need, if you prefer) for socialism, therefore no demand for it.

Susanna said...

Smallfarm,

Your sentiments are very true and very good.

As followers of Christ, we must always be increasing in Charity ( love of God and neighbor).

And this is the very thing that socialists seek to exploit along with the "plight of the poor."


But we must be wary of assuming that our being more charitable will necessarily provide a permanent antidote against socialism.

This is because socialism is not about "sharing the wealth" with the poor. It is about power! It is about CONTROLLING the wealth and redistributing it only to those who are willing to toe the party line.

Even where there are no problems, socialists manufacture problems. That is what "Agitprop" is all about.

Have you not noticed that as the socialists in our government keep running out of "other peoples' money," they keep redefining the "rich"?

And where the "politics of envy" are at play, the "have nots" are also going to be redefined - in terms of not having everything they WANT even if they already have everything they NEED.

SmallFarm said...

When I say 'charity' I mean true charity, not government enforced servitude to the masses. The powers that be only have power because the people give it to them. They have created the situation where people are dependant upon them, however if we hold our brothers upon our shoulders, even at the sacrifice of our selves (taking up Christ's cross), they will no longer have a dependacy on "them" and will no longer consent to give them power =D

JD said...

Constance, Susanna, anyone else who may be of service.

Sorry this is off topic for this thread, but still relevant in the general spirit of the blog. Has anyone here heard of, or have any information on Amit Goswami? He is a Quantum Physicist, who's name I keep happening across in other seemingly non related material.

Anonymous said...

What happened to the rest of the comments? Are they gone for good?

Anonymous said...

The God Within documentary - exposing the false philosophy of modern science

This mini-documentary by Mike Adams the Health Ranger exposes the false philosophy underpinning most of modern science. It explains why science is rooted in evil and destruction while harming life on our planet: GMOs, vaccines, psychiatric drugs, nuclear weapons -- they've all been pursued and promoted under the brand of "science." And yet, shockingly, modern scientists do not believe human beings are conscious beings. They claim we are all just "biological robots" which provides the philosophical pretext for genocide. See more at www.NaturalNews.TV

http://tinyurl.com/444ju54

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Yesterday, there were 22 comments. Then, there were 5. There are 17 comments that are missing from yesterday.

Craig said...

Yes, where are all the comments?

Constance Cumbey said...

GOOGLE SHUT DOWN COMMENTS SECTIONNOW. FOR A TIME. LOOKS LIKE ITS BACK NOW.

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

Well, its appearing as the missing upwards of 11 comments have disappeared. I invite all to repost! Thank!
Constance

JD said...

Constance, Susanna, anyone else up for helping out.

This is off topic, but keeps with the general theme of the blog. I am wondering if anyone has heard of, or has any info on Amit Goswami. He is a Quantum Physicist who's name I keep coming across in various pieces I am looking at. At this point I am looking for direct connections between Goswami and the numerous usual suspects.

JD said...

I should add that I am aware of his connection IONS

Anonymous said...

I am re-posting one of the missing comments...


George Soros' ties to 30 major news organizations

When liberal investor George Soros gave $1.8 million to National Public Radio , it became part of the firestorm of controversy that jeopardized NPR’s federal funding. But that gift only hints at the widespread influence the controversial billionaire has on the mainstream media. Soros, who spent $27 million trying to defeat President Bush in 2004, has ties to more than 30 mainstream news outlets – including The New York Times, Washington Post, the Associated Press, NBC and ABC.
Prominent journalists like ABC’s Christiane Amanpour and former Washington Post editor and now Vice President Len Downie serve on boards of operations that take Soros cash. This despite the Society of Professional Journalists' ethical code stating: “avoid all conflicts real or perceived.”

For more...

http://tinyurl.com/628fzf6

Anonymous said...

EU gets cold shoulder in the Arctic...

http://euobserver.com/9/32331

SmallFarm said...

All of my comments on how living a charitable life can be an antidote for a socialist society are gone too. Ah well :sigh: maybe I'll see an opportunity again sometime to share my point of view about it

Brian G. said...

GAH!! What has been happening with Blogger and the comments section lately? Would almost seem that it's time to look for a new host, sheesh! Anyhow, I don't feel now like reposting my entire comments, but I did mention that the congresswoman's name from Toledo is Marcy Kaptur. I live in her district and she is a fixture, much to the dismay of many here.

Marko said...

JD:

This is a rather interesting link that has info on Goswami, plus some other interesting people and things:

http://whatthebleep.com/scientists/

Marko said...

BTW, "What The Bleep Do We Know?" is a New Age film that I'm sure you all have probably already discussed. The previous link I posted is on the website for the film, and I'm NOT endorsing it!

Just so you know....

Anonymous said...

Alien satanic agenda. Amazingly blatant

http://www.youtube.com/user/KatyPerryVEVO

warning: explicit

Dorothy said...

Do mark your calendars.

http://www.globalpeacemeditationprayerday.org/info.html
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Distraction For The Naive day in my opinion. If You Think It It Will Happen - oh yeah!

Constance Cumbey said...

BARBARA MARX HUBBARD is speaking tonight (5/14/2011) at the 60th anniversary dinner of THE WAINWRIGHT HOUSE. The Wainwright House has clearly been occultly oriented since its very beginnings. It was founded by what they were then calling THE LAYMEN'S MOVEMENT. Probably lay Theosophists in very bad Christian disguise! They were also responsible for the Meditation Room at the UN. Curiously enough, the Billy Graham evangelistic team doing the Madison Square Garden Crusade in NYC in, as I recall 1954 or so, was said to have been "filled with the Holy Spirit" in a prayer session led by Leighton Ford at the WAINWRIGHT HOUSE. This was reported in Pat Robertson's book SHOUT IT FROM THE HOUSETOPS.

I rather suspect that the Wainwright House has never been a Holy Spirit hangout. If it ever was, which I sincerely doubt, Barbara Marx Hubbard's speaking role there tonight confirms it is not presently so.

For the record, Barbara Marx Hubbard is close to PAUL N. TEMPLE, the co-founder and chief financial angel of THE INSTITUTE OF NOETIC SCIENCES. The very same PAUL N. TEMPLE was and is close to DOUG COE, BILLY GRAHAM and was close to ABRAHAM (ABRAM) VEREIDE, the founder of Coe's C Street / Prayer Breakfast Network group.

It was Paul Temple, Doug Coe, and Barbara Marx Hubbard that put together the Gold Lake gathering in 1987.

Constance

Dorothy said...

World Peace Prayer Society leads to
http://cultureofpeace.org/peacebuilding_tools/cpi_organizations.html

which leads to the list * S
"More than 500 organizations are currently listed in the CPI community! (This is a NGO & non-profit directory, and currently does not include our local chapter organizations, or many of our supporting for-profit organizations). See a list of CPI organizations by alphabetical order."
http://tinyurl.com/6c4wdx3
or
http://www.wiserearth.org/article/1f03035cb484340d0270c919d1fe6cca

With all of that thinking for peace going on, it's shocking to know there are wars and destruction going on. Maybe if they all meditated harder.

Dorothy said...

http://www.ngo.in/human-resources-social-cultural-development-wainwright-house.html
http://tinyurl.com/69r7mbk

A pretty good description of the place. One of their activities - One of the chief events held by Wainwright House is the guided Meditation for World Peace.

Who could have guessed!!!

Mimi's Busy Books said...

Regarding RFID chip implementation for 2013...

Born to Watch retracts the information regarding Obama Care and chip requirement for 2013 when a reader clarified that "H.R. 3200 is not the H.R. that was passed. It was actually H.R. 3962, which makes no provision for this implantable microchips".

Anonymous said...

Smallfarm,

I saw your comments, complimented you on them (you and I appear to be kindred spirits) but my comments disappeared.

just to let you know I agreed with everything you wrote.

SmallFarm said...

@ anonymous 8:13
Thanks =D . I believe everything we need to know concerning our spiritual AND temporal salvation, can be found in the Good Book.

Anonymous said...

Smallfarm,

This is anon 8:13. Yes, "Love God with all your heart,soul, and mind" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" are where all of it points. Every Christian claims to know these truths, but how many actually work every day to live them in practice especially when they are not fun and require......Sacrifice (a dying to the "self".)

A Faith so simple even a child can understand it, yet even the most intellectually gifted of His creatures can never even begin to exhaust its riches or comprehend the depth of His love.

Craig said...

I posted this comment on my own blog regarding Alice Bailey's A Treatise on Cosmic Fire, and I thought there may be some interest over here:

The Solar Logos is also the Solar Trinity consisting of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit with the following seven corresponding "Aspects/Attributes." Note how The Holy Spirit is loaded compared to the others:
The Father - Will Aspect
The Son -- Love-Wisdom Aspect
The Holy Spirit -- Active Intelligence Aspect; + Harmony or Beauty Attribute; Concrete or Knowledge Attribute; Devotion or Idealism Attribute; Ceremonial Magic Attribute.

Also, note that this is a "Trinity" of three (of course) yet there are a total of seven "Aspects" and "Attributes." Now here's text from A Treatise on Cosmic Fire:

"...[T]hese seven Hierarchies are (as says H. P. B.) the sevenfold ray of wisdom, the dragon in its seven forms..." [p 146]

The dragon?! You mean the one of Revelation 12 and 13, etc.? Here's the corresponding footnote which references Subba Rao in Five Years of Theosophy p 102:

"As a general rule, whenever seven entities are mentioned in the ancient occult science of India in any connection whatsoever, you must suppose that those seven entities came into existence from three primary entities; and that these three entities, again, are evolved out of a single entity or monad..."

This sets up the explanation of the reintegration of all with the exclusion of matter as in 1st/2nd century Dualistic Gnosticism and some forms of Kabbalah:

"The Mahadeva, aspect or the first Logos (who embodies cosmic will) [the Solar Logos] is controlled by the Law of Synthesis, the cosmic law governing the tendency to unification; only in this case, it is not the unification of matter and Spirit, but the unification of the seven into the three, and into the one. These three figures primarily stand for Spirit, [148] for quality, for principle, and not so primarily for matter, although matter, being inspired by spirit, conforms..." [pp 147-48]

This means that once the "Christ within" or the "divine spark" -- the 'spirit' -- in all of creation is 'liberated' from its "shell," or matter [matter is considered evil], all will be joined back together so that "god" is complete once again and we are again joined with "god." This is the occult version of the "marriage supper of the Lamb."

After the title page of the book quoted from above is a short poem from the Sh'vet Upanishad, II.17; and, here's an extract:

"...To the God Who has suffused Himself through all the world..."

And, one more note of interest. On page 148 is the following regarding the "first Logos" aka Solar Logos which explains more yet also provides another name:

"...The mystery lies in the realization that all is carried on in a divine cooperation that has its base outside the system. Hence too the fact that the first Logos is called the Destroyer, because He is abstraction, if viewed from below upwards. His work is the synthesis of Spirit with Spirit, their [149] eventual abstraction from matter, and their unification with their cosmic source. Hence also He is the one who brings about pralaya or the disintegration of form, - the form from which the Spirit has been abstracted..." [ pp 148-149]

I'm assuming this is the same "Destroyer" from Revelation 9:11 regarding the king over the Abyss [From biblegateway.com with accompanying footnote]:

11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.[a] [NIV 1984]

Footnotes:
[a] Revelation 9:11 Abaddon and Apollyon mean Destroyer.


Interesting...

ali said...

And just as his Contact with American failed, so too - according ot the Word of G-D - will his Contract with Earth.

Stay Tuned.!!.

JD said...

Yesna,

Per your RFID comment, it is correct that HR 3962 did not include the same language concerning a database on Class II implantable devices. However, as many are aware, my issue with all of the versions of the bill as it relates to RFID was never about this section. What has always concerned me from the start were the committees and guidelines that are to be created post passage of the bill.

There are sections within the bill that directly deal with traceability that simply state that structures suggested by various offices would be implemented, without ever giving real indication for what these offices had suggested. In many ways these parts of the bill are like a blank check for these offices which include NCVHS and ONCHIT. What is far more troubling is that in examining the committees that have been created as a result of the bill, and looking at who is being invited as advisors in their meetings, you constantly see names like Positive ID, EPC Global, GE Health, Google Health, etc.

JD said...

Well this is a first for me, one of my posts has now disappeared into the void after clearly having been there before.

Anonymous said...

HHS approves 200 more new healthcare reform waivers

The Obama administration approved 204 new waivers to Democrats' healthcare reform law over the past month, bringing the total to 1,372.

The waivers are temporary and only apply to one provision of the law, which requires health plans to offer at least $750,000 worth of annual medical benefits before leaving patients to fend for themselves. Still, Republicans have assailed the waivers as a sign of both favoritism and of major problems with the law.

"The fact that over 1,000 waivers have been granted is a tacit admission that the healthcare law is fundamentally flawed," Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said in March. Upton is one of three House committee chairmen who has used new oversight powers to investigate the annual limit waivers.

Administration officials say the law allows the Health and Human Services Department to grant the waivers to avoid disrupting the insurance market before the law overhauls the insurance system in 2014. They say the waivers are granted through a transparent process.

http://tinyurl.com/3v2qbvu

Dorothy said...

http://birth2012.com/
Darn, we missed it. Barbara Marx Hubbard telling us how we are co-creating a planetary shift. She was calling Calling all visionaries, evolutionaries, change leaders and heart-centered humans. I think I'm a heart centered human, biologically speaking.

And I missed her 12 week training course which would perfect me.
http://theacetraining.com/ACE

Oh well. The Shift Network is planning for the next 26,000 years but they can't seem to get their social network off the ground right now. So sad.

Craig said...

Dorothy:

LOL! :-)

Anonymous said...

I heard that Newt had converted to Catholicism. Is that true? Could that mean he may have repented of his new age leannings of the 90's?
jv

Anonymous said...

First ever Palestinian bonds sold:

http://tinyurl.com/3bn6fgg

or

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13354191

Thanks to RR for the link.

Anonymous said...

Huckabee bowed out of the Repub race tonight.
Pawlenty still looks pretty good and will pick up some Huck people. Rick Santorum will pick up some Huck folks. Ron Paul is in the race. Looks wide open at the moment.

I too heard the Newt had converted to Catholicism.

Mariel

Constance Cumbey said...

To the best of my knowledge, NEWT HAS REPENTED OF NOTHING -- The "conversion" to Catholicism was so he could gain a Catholic base and for further confusion. His calls since that "conversion" for carbon credits as shown as his joint appearances on "what we agree on" with Nancy Pelosi, I give as Exhibit A.

Constance

Susanna said...

Here is a gem from Drudge.


LAWYER: IMF CHIEF DENIES NYC SEX ASSAULT CHARGES

NEW YORK – The leader of the International Monetary Fund, a possible candidate for president of France, was yanked from an airplane moments before it was to depart for Paris and arrested in the alleged sexual assault of a hotel maid, police said.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn, 62, was arrested on charges of a criminal sex act, attempted rape and unlawful imprisonment. He had been taken off the Air France flight at John F. Kennedy International Airport on Saturday afternoon by police officers.

Strauss-Kahn's lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, told The Associated Press that his client will plead not guilty at his expected Sunday afternoon arraignment.

"He denies all the charges against him," Brafman said. "And that's all I can really say right now."

France woke to the news Sunday with a measure of surprise.

Strauss-Kahn was expected to be the main challenger against President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose political fortunes have been flagging, in next year's presidential elections. The arrest could shake up the race and throw the long-divided Socialists back into disarray about who they could present as Sarkozy's opponent
...read more...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20110515/ap_on_re_us/imf_head_assault

__________________________

EUROPEAN BANK FOR RECONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
European_Bank_for_Reconstruction_
and_Development
______________________________

I.M.F. CHIEF'S ARREST THROWS FRENCH POLITICS INTO DISARRAY

PARIS — For months, France has been buzzing with speculation that Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the popular chief of the International Monetary Fund, would quit his job in Washington to take on President Nicolas Sarkozy in next year’s presidential elections. But on Sunday, French politicians and media met news of his arrest in New York for alleged sexual aggression with stunned disbelief and expressions of national humiliation.

The incident threw Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s political party, the Socialists, into confusion and set the stage for a new political calculus that could allow the National Front, the far-right party led by its founder’s daughter, Marine Le Pen, to become a more dominant force during the election campaign.

Even as pollsters cautioned against rushing to judgment and as Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, said his client “will plead not guilty,” his would-be rivals were quick to declare his political death.

“He’s definitely discredited,” Ms. Le Pen said Sunday on French television. “The case and the charges mark the end of his campaign for the presidency, and will likely prompt the IMF to ask him to leave his post.”
...read more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/
16/world/europe/16france.html?
_r=2&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065

Dorothy said...

From Donald Hank
Sun, May 15, 2011 8:54:02 AM
Video shows US/NATO-supported lynch mobs that kill Christians on sight
...
zoilandon@msn.com
We supported butchers and Christian killers in Iraq, Ivory Coast, Egypt, now Libya. Isn't it time to stop and take stock of what we are doing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b7dODgIyYA&feature=related

http://tinyurl.com/5wzxr7d

http://www.hudson-ny.org/2086/france-islamically-correct
http://tinyurl.com/6gso9yz
Strauss Kahn is a Jew. He stood in line after Sarkozy.

I don't know whether he is guilty, but the timing is interesting. The picture here is more complex than we see here in the US thanks to our corrupt media.

Anonymous said...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/15/sunday/main20063017.shtml

or

http://tinyurl.com/6gox3ab

* * *

May 15, 2011

Ben Stein: "Arab Spring" is a fraud
Says street movements in Middle East mean U.S. is losing valuable allies - and Iran is reaping a "gigantic regional coup"


(snip)

(CBS News) What are we to make of the changes sweeping the Arab World? Contributor Ben Stein knows what HE thinks:

Now, I am going to tell you the truth about the so-called "Arab Spring," and about the Middle East generally right now.

First, the "Arab Spring" as a force for democracy, human rights and peace in Egypt seems to me to be a fraud.

The dictator and his entourage who were kicked out in Egypt were pro-West, a bit restrained on Israel, open to free enterprise, and resistant to Iranian-sponsored terror...

* * *

Thanks to Scott for the link.

Anonymous said...

WHO IS THE REAL NEWT GINGRICH?
PART 1
http://tinyurl.com/l9efz5

PART 2
http://tinyurl.com/3opyg2v


THE GRINCH WHO STOLE CONSERVATISM
(Newt Gingrich)
http://tinyurl.com/39lu524

Anonymous said...

Will The Antichrist's 'Mark' Be Rolled Out In The United States This Year?

[NOTE: Be sure to download the complete PDF report from the website to read].

http://tinyurl.com/3l8npyl

Anonymous said...

Susanna,

The Vatican's new document is causing both traditionalists and liberals to hit the roof.

It says they must accept both forms of the Mass. This puts a stop to their plans of trying to outdo each other.

I think it's brilliant, because The New Agers on both sides are going to head for the hills.


Savvy

Susanna said...

Savvy,

If the Pope has both the radical left and the radical right hopping mad, this is a good sign he must be doing something right!!! LOL

Anonymous said...

This should be a hoot- some guy claiming to be Christ is going to talk to people via the Internet this Saturday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-Yh220Bbo&feature=player_embedded#at=872

Interestingly, the date May 21st corresponds to Harold Camping's end of the world prediction. Maybe the two got together?

Susanna said...

By the way, in the Traditionalist School jargon, one word I have come across frequently is the word Integral. In fact, the very first sentence of the article on the Traditionalist School reads:

The term Traditionalist School has been introduced by Mark Sedgwick and few other people to denote a school of thought, also known as Integral Traditionalism (in the sense of Integral spirituality) or Perennialism (in the sense of perennial philosophy, or philosophia perennis) to denote an esoteric movement developed by authors such as French thinker René Guénon, German-Swiss philosopher Frithjof Schuon, the Ceylonese-British scholar Ananda Coomaraswamy, or, with some controversy, Julius Evola, Titus Burckhardt, Martin Lings, Jean-Louis Michon, Marco Pallis, Huston Smith, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Traditionalist_School


I did a little investigating and learned from some sources that the word "integral" is synonymous with "totalitarian" and is being used as a euphemism for "totalitarian."

Upon further investigation, I discovered that wikipedia has a whole article dedicated to this term. Look at some of the ideas and people associated with the word "integral." ( i.e. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin )

INTEGRAL (SPIRITUALITY)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Integral_(spirituality)

Among the terms in the article is "evolutionary enlightenment."

EVOLUTIONARY ENLIGHTENMENT

Evolutionary Enlightenment is a philosophy that mixes teachings about Enlightenment from Eastern traditions with a Western scientific understanding of evolution.

Evolutionary Enlightenment is inspired, on one hand, by the teachings of Ramana Maharshi and the Buddhist tradition. On the other hand, it also follows in the tradition of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Sri Aurobindo, Henri Bergson, Alfred North Whitehead, and the German Idealist philosophers. In contemporary culture, it is associated with the work of Andrew Cohen, founder of EnlightenNext, and Ken Wilber, the leading figure in the Integral movement.

The ideas of Evolutionary Enlightenment have been discussed and elucidated over the past five years by Cohen and Wilber in the pages of EnlightenNext magazine, as well as in Wilber’s recent book Integral Spirituality. An evolutionary approach to Enlightenment or self-realization is also outlined in the work of Dr. Beatrice Bruteau, a Teilhardian scholar and theologian, and mentioned in the recent bestseller A New Earth by Eckhart Toll. The cultural relevance of this approach to spirituality has been recognized by those studying broader cultural change, such as Spiral Dynamics author Dr. Don Beck, who has called it “a map or model for personal emergence, showing the qualities that individuals must embody to become the leaders we now need.”
......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Evolutionary_Enlightenment

cont...

Susanna said...

cont...


KEN WILBER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber
_____________________________

INTEGRAL THEORY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_Theory
________________________________

INTEGRAL INSTITUTE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Integral_Institute

A book could be written just on the names found at the following list.

LIST OF INTEGRAL THINKERS AND SUPPORTERS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_
of_integral_thinkers_and_supporters
________________________________

Brian Swimme is on the list. He is a disciple of the late Thomas Berry (an advocate of "deep ecology" and leader in the tradition of Teilhard de Chardin) and a disciple/associate of Matthew Fox and advocate of Fox's his "Creation-centered Spirituality."

Not surprisingly, Ken Wilbur has ties to the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

As stated in the article in Integral (Spirituality), Integral thinkers draw inspiration not only from Ken Wilber, but also from Sri Aurobindo.

SRI AUROBINDO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Aurobindo

Craig said...

Susanna,

Ken Wilber's name and his Integral Spirituality came up in something I ran across a week or so ago. And, coincidentally, his name appears in a book I picked up yesterday for general research titled The Wisdom Jesus by an author whose name escapes me at the moment.

Constance Cumbey said...

Has anybody out there seen Harold Camping's (Family Bible Radio) numerous billboards about Judgment Day coming this coming Saturday? I'm wondering how people are handling it?

Constance

Susanna said...

Constance,

Here is a Youtube Harold Camping presentation in which a caller is claiming that quite a few older people are taking all their life savings out of the bank and sending it to Harold Camping.

What the caller wants to know is if the people who sent Harold Camping all their money are going to get a refund on May 22 if the world doesn't end on May 21 as prophesied by Harold Camping???

Harold Camping says Millions will die on May 21, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9acwNHKvoo
________________________________

What Harold Camping needs to do is to go back and re-read his Bible - especially Matthew 24 where our Lord clearly states that while there will certainly be signs to indicate that His return is near, no one knows the day or the hour of His coming......

Susanna said...

Constance 12:04 A.M.

I have a feeling that Newt Gingrich has already stepped on his own airhose by trashing Paul Ryan's plan to restructure Medicare.

Craig said...

Constance,

Yes, I've seen the Camping billboards here in San Antonio. There's really not much discussion that I'm aware of.

I wonder what will happen on Sunday when the Camping "prophecy" is proven false (again). Very sad, really, for his followers.

Craig said...

Susanna,

I picked up The Wisdom Jesus with the express purpose of learning more about this perspective and how it relates to New Age and certain hyper-charismatics. Just by taking a brief skimming, I could see connections to other false teachers I've been reading about. Thanks for the additional info.

I touch on "Contemplative Prayer" aka "centering prayer" in my most recent article as it compares to "Christ consciousness" and TM. The article illustrates the various ways in which the term "Christ" is misused in the New Age/occult. Readers here may find it of interest. I learned quite a bit myself in putting it together.

http://tinyurl.com/43hzk8k

I believe I'm on the road to finding fairly convincing evidence paralleling the New Age "kingdom of God" and the Dominionist/Kingdom Now one.

Anonymous said...

Well, at least he has foot in mouth disease...many people are quickly picking up on the fact that he is irritable when challenged, takes a left-leaning position on health care, and is so prideful, that only he thinks he is our new gift, having borrowed so heavily and incorrectly from the name he keeps dragging around, and lifting up; Ronald Reagan. Keep it up Newt. Raptor

paul said...

Mr Camping is right.
On that day, May twenty first,
as many as a quarter million
people will die.
It could be as low as only
seventy thousand, but no
matter which info service I ask,
they all say that upwards to two
hundred thousand people
die.......... every day....

And that's................
the rest....... of the story.
I'm paul nobody, sitting in for
Paul Harvey, who has passed
away for now.

Have a great day !

Susanna said...

Craig,

I am glad you found the additional info helpful

"Christ" is certainly misused and abused by New Agers - albeit AFTER they have severed Christ from Jesus.

For New Agers, Jesus is merely a "human vessel" while "the Christ" is merely an amorphous impersonal cosmic entity analogous to "The Force" of Star Wars which can be magically tapped into by anyone who is privy to the right incantations, rituals or meditation techniques.

From what I have read, Kingdom Now is "charismatic." Within the Charismatic Movement as a whole, there have been many instances of degeneration into the heretical gnostic mode in which "private revelations" ( a.k.a. "word of knowledge?") tend to trump the Sacred Scriptures....even when said "private revelations" go contrary to Holy Writ.

One of the things about Dominionism that has drawn my attention is something called
"Evangelical Environmentalism" which has reportedly bought into the myth of human-induced climate change.

EVANGELICAL ENVORINMENTALISM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Evangelical_environmentalism
_______________________________

What ticks me off about the following Archbishop Desmond Tutu-approved tome is the way its editors have included essays by Pope John Paul II - who was already deceased for three years when the Green Bible was put together in 2008 and not in a position to comment on its merits or lack thereof.

I will say, however, that while we Catholics are taught to be good stewards regarding the way we use the goods of this earth, we are also taught that the goods of this earth are meant to serve man and not the other way around.

THE GREEN BIBLE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Bible
____________________________

GREEN BIBLE CREATES CONTROVERSY

http://www.azcentral.com/arizona
republic/news/articles
/2008/12/29/20081229GreenBible
1224.html
____________________________

Here is a gem of an article about the Green Bible from First Things.

BLESSED ARE THE GREEN OF HEART

http://www.firstthings.com/article
/2009/04/blessed-are-the-green-of
-heart-1243315303


:-)

Susanna said...

Craig,

Have you heard of the "GREEN BIBLE?"

Here is a gem of an article about it from First Things.

BLESSED ARE THE GREEN OF HEART

http://www.firstthings.com/article
/2009/04/blessed-are-the-green-of-heart-1243315303

Susanna said...

P.S. Craig,

SOME CHRISTIANS SEE RED OVER GREEN BIBLE

http://www.metrovoice.net/www.
metrovoice.net/2009/0209_stlweb
/0209_articles/some_christians_see_red
.html

Anonymous said...

Watchman- Just for the record: Gingrichs "Contract with America" was a big success. Only a Revisionist Historian or Sinister Liberal Campaign Operative would claim otherwise.

Craig said...

Susanna,

No, I've never heard of The Green Bible. Interestingly, NT Wright seems to be popular among Emergents and hyper-charismatics. You're probably aware that Romans 8:20-21 are verses quoted by those who adhere to the heretical Manifest Sons of God [MSoG] doctrine which teaches that certain overcomers will receive their post-resurrection bodies in the here and now.

Alice Bailey teaches this same thing which occurs at the fourth initiation(of five human initiations). In the Baily model, the only way to see the emerging "kingdom of God" is to be a manifested son of God. This is, in essence the MSoG teaching. I point this out in my current article.

In addition, as you probably know, Genesis 1:28 is a favorite of Dominionists, and hyper-charismatics have essentially redefined the Great Commission to be the "first commission" of Gen 1:28. The belief is that Satan won dominion at the Fall in the Garden of Eden and Jesus Christ at the Cross won it back; so, our job is to reclaim it. They thereby preach "the gospel of kingdom" as differentiated from "the Gospel."

Anonymous said...

May 16, 2011

Newt Gingrich: Health Care Socialist

Gingrich made the case on Meet the Press yesterday, not for a free market in medical care and medical insurance, but for Gingrichcare.

Interesting that back in 1993 Gingrich said he favored the federal government requiring individuals to buy health insurance and then subsidizing individuals’ purchase of health insurance on a “sliding scale” determined by their income. Now he supports requiring all individuals to buy health insurance, post a bond to pay for health care, or in some way indicate that they are going to be accountable.

Is any of this a surprise? I think Gingrich for president will turn out to be a total flop like Giuliani for president.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lew
rw/archives/88278.html

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Anonymous said...

High School student commits suicide after high school principal hypnotizes him.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20110517/ARTICLE/110519542/2416/NEWS?Title=Parents-of-suicide-victim-raise-questions-about-hypnosis

Anonymous said...

Why is George Soros spending $48 million to fund media organizations?

http://tinyurl.com/67ckpt3

Anonymous said...

Drones are becoming pervasive inside the USA

http://tinyurl.com/43xkek9

Anonymous said...

I think drones would make for some fun target practice, if they ever do become "pervasive"....

Susanna said...

Craig,

While you are more qualified to describe the problem with hyper-charismatics within the Protestant Christian communion, I can tell you that a similar problem exists within the Catholic Christian communion and in some cases has degenerated into outright heretical gnosticism!!!

Correct me if I am mistaken, Craig, but it is my understanding that your use of the term "hypercharismatic" is to designate those "Charismatic" teachers and groups in recent decades which attribute extremely unusual, non-biblical manifestations in their meetings to the action of the Holy Spirit

If so, I personally know of one particular and well documented "Catholic" instance of this sort of hyper-charismaticism run amok ( the Orthodox frequently refer to them as "charismaniacs" ) whose founder and leader claimed to be "Christ's twin" and announced that the Second coming of Christ was to occur in the town where the headquarters of his group had been established.

In one of the so-called "prophecies" that was incorporated into their brand of "victim theology" it was "revealed" that they would be "persecuted" and as a result might have to "go underground."

Indeed, they did "go underground" -after they were booted out of the diocese by the local Catholic bishop after being exposed in an award winning article written by an investigative journalist who went on to win a much deserved Pulitzer Prize for another article he wrote.

I have been following the activities of at least two known former members of this group for many years, and my sources tell me that they have since been attempting to set up shop in new places and under new names.

Marko said...

Susanna:

Hahaha! "...stepped on his own air hose..." (regarding the Newt)

That's the first time I've heard that phrase. It gave me the biggest laugh I've had all day. :^)

Craig said...

Susanna,

Yes, you are correct regarding the definition of the term "hyper-charismaticism" as I define it. I prefer this one over the other term since it doesn't appear to be as personally offensive a label although others use it.

I'm trying very hard to find outright Dualistic Gnostic elements (spirit is good, matter is evil) in the teachings of some; but, I've not yet been successful. Many do seem to think anything spiritual is good; but, I've not seen evidence of matter being evil.

I would be interested in reading the article you reference which exposed the local "Catholic" congregation. Do you have a link?

JD said...

Constance, Susanna, Dorothy, Rich, and a couple Anon readers,

I sent you a email with new information concerning the Japanese quake that I would like some feedback on.

Anonymous said...

Even though I don't agree with everything, this is a rather long compilation of information on the New Age movement.
http://www.insectman.us/misc/creation/common-thread.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4xs4abd

Everything from our possible financial future to explanations of why we have attempts to control information in the field of education.

Be sure you check out the addendum which gives sources.
http://www.insectman.us/misc/creation/common-thread-addendum.htm

Even if you think you know there is all to know about New Age, believe me, there is always more to learn.

Dorothy said...

Way over my head JD. I did send it on to someone who might understand it more.

Side note: I just send the message that appeared at 6:14.

Anonymous said...

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpps/news/ahmadinejad-could-take-over-opec-presidency-report-says-dpgonc-20110516-bb_13229470

or

http://tinyurl.com/6eotakv


* * *

Ahmadinejad Could Take Over OPEC Presidency, Report Says
Updated: Monday, 16 May 2011, 3:24 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 16 May 2011, 2:43 PM CDT

(NewsCore) - TEHRAN -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad could become president of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) after he announced that he would temporarily take over Iran's oil ministry, Iranian news agency Mehr News reported Monday.

In televised remarks a day earlier Ahmadinejad said he would be the "caretaker" head of the oil ministry after he dismissed the incumbent minister over the weekend.

And because Iran currently holds the OPEC presidency -- which rotates -- Ahmadinejad could end up as OPEC president...

* * *

Thanks to Prophecy Update for the link.

Susanna said...

Craig,

Yes I do have the link. Check your e-mail.

Susanna said...

Hi Marko,

I am so glad I was able to give you the "biggest laugh you've had all day."

"Stepped on his own airhose" is an example of the kind of military jive that goes back to the 1970's.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Just remembered that there is a more unspeakably - and deliciously - vulgar variation on the "airhose" theme, but it would be unspeakably unladylike for me to repeat it here. :^)

Susanna said...

Constance,

Please check your e-mail. I sent you some data that is related to the document you asked to be forwarded to me.

I think you might find it interesting.
I labeled it in the heading and included my name.

Anonymous said...

I don't see much on the DSK fiasco, other than Susanna's post. This is going to have consequences down the road that are going to bring about some of the things you all have researched.

Hey Susanna

Our little buddy Sarko kind of, in a round about way, found his way, into the middle of things AGAIN! At the moment he surely does seem to benefit from this.

Anonymous said...

Why Harold Camping is a reckless cult leader and a false prophet . . .

http://amos37.com/2011/05/07
/harold-camping-a-new-cult/

Anonymous said...

China Central Bank Lays It Down: "New IMF Leadership Should Reflect New World Order"

http://tinyurl.com/3hxyo7z

History Maker said...

No comments/analysis on here yet about Obama's Mideast speech? :)

~HM

Anonymous said...

Israeli PM fumes at Obama's call for 1967 borders...

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPo
litics/Article.aspx?id=221397

Anonymous said...

Is Obama the new Arafat?

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPo
litics/Article.aspx?id=221383

Anonymous said...

Strauss-Kahn gets $1 million bail...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519/ap_on_re_us/imf_leader_assault

Anonymous said...

Strauss-Kahn gets $1 million bail

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519
/ap_on_re_us/imf_leader_assault

Susanna said...

Anonymous 1:47 P.M.

Have you seen this?

LAGARDE FUNDING SCANDAL THREATENS RULING PARTY'S 'GOLDEN GIRL'

Many are suggesting that the little weasel Sarkozy may be leaving Christine Lagarde holding the bag on a payola scheme carried out on HIS orders.

She was the "golden girl" who was proposed as new head of the IMF.

A FAVORITE EMERGES FOR HELM OF IMF

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43087955
________________________________

If these scandals keep occurring, Marine Le Pen, who took over the leadership of the National Front from her father Jean - Marie Le Pen on January 16, 2011, is going to wind up looking like "Saint Joan of Arc!!!"

She has certainly shown some "love" for American justice in the wake of the arrest of Strauss-Kahn - something that is not ordinarily a part of the National Front's political repertoire! :-)

Anonymous said...

Susanna

Yes, I saw the story, thank you. Somehow, someway, little Sarko will find a way to get what he wants.

I totally agree the man is a weasel and nobody likes him, but, you must admit, he finds a way to get in the middle of almost everything on the world stage.

Did you see who got the recent post of Secretary General of the new EEAS(European External Action Service)?

Pierre Vimont. Yep, you guessed it, another one of Sarko's buddies.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 6:23 P.M.

I tell you, Anonymous, this story just keeps getting better and better.

Christine Lagarde was once a lawyer in (of all places) Chicago!!!

She began working for the Chicago law firm Baker and McKenzie in 1981.

Lagarde was born in Paris as Christine Lallouette to academic parents. She attended secondary school in Le Havre (Seine-Maritime) and in Bethesda, Maryland at Holton Arms School. Then she graduated from law school (Paris X), and obtained a Master's Degree from the Institut d'Ă©tudes politiques d'Aix-en-Provence.

Lagarde worked as an intern at the United States Capitol, as William Cohen's congressional assistant.

Lagarde is a former member of the French national synchronised swimming team.

Baker & McKenzie

Lagarde joined Baker & McKenzie in 1981. She joined the executive committee in 1995 and was elected Chairman in October 1999.

In 2004, Lagarde became president of the global strategic committee.

Of the law firm, Lagarde said Baker & McKenzie is "a very democratic environment, which values people in terms of their work and their contribution".[6]

Her personal interest in European affairs led her to open the European Law Centre, an office of Baker & McKenzie in Brussels exclusively dedicated to the practice of European Union law...
read more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Christine_Lagarde
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Christine Lagarde under investigation over role in payments to Bernard Tapie

May 11, 2011

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world
/2011/may/11/christine-lagarde
-invetigation-bernard-tapie
_______________________________

Here is a gem....Pay special attention to the quote from the New York Times.

New IMF Chief Wanted Paris To Become Islamic Banking Center, AND THERE'S MORE!

May 18, 2011

Christine Legarde was mentioned tonight as being perhaps the new chief of the International Monetary Fund. Legarde, who is French, has served as the Minister of Finance of France since 2007. In 2008 she stated her determination to make Paris an important center of Islamic finance.....read more...

http://www.bluegrassbulletin.com
/2011/05/new-imf-chief-wanted
-paris-to-become-islamic-banking
-center-and-theres-more.html
_______________________________


Former Chicagoan a leading contender to run IMF

French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde, a former Chicagoan who was chairman of the law firm Baker and McKenzie, is considered a leading candidate to succeed Dominique Strauss-Kahn as the head of International Monetary Fund.....read more....

http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness
.com/business/chibrkbus-former
-chicagoan-a-leading-contender-to
-run-imf-20110519,0,5619341.story
________________________________

The following reminds me of the infamous "anti-dog-eat-dog law" in ATLAS SHRUGS!

The use of the term "bailout" in the article makes it sound as if Ireland was given the money instead of being LOANED the money...and at interest rates that are said to be crippling Ireand's economy.

Of course, some have suggested that Ireland's relatively sudden economic downturn may have been orchestrated with a view to pressuring Ireland into voting for the Lisbon treaty which Ireland had at first rejected.

Thu, Mar 31 2011

Ireland must overhaul corporate taxes: Lagarde

(Reuters) - France's finance minister on Thursday renewed pressure on Ireland to give up its coveted low corporate tax rate after euro zone countries came to its rescue last year with an 85 billion euro bailout.

http://uk.reuters.com/article
/2011/03/25/us-ireland-lagarde
-idUKTRE72O0PS20110325

Anonymous said...

Susanna

Very good info, I have been following this thing pretty closely.

Surprisingly given the possible investigation into Lagarde, articles posted on Google in the last hour are saying that she already has the backing of some European capitals, and after a statement by Merkel, her spokesman praised Lagarde (falling short of mentioning her as their choice)as she has a rep for working well with the Germans, and that many in British political circles have praised her as well.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 7:42 P.M.

I have been following this myself.

Here are a couple more interesting articles from the New York Times:

France's Finance Chief a Calming Presence in Turbulent Times

By LISA KASSENAAR and MARK DEEN
Published: June 24, 2010

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/full
page.html?res=9E00E5D61F39F937
A15755C0A9669D8B63&pagewanted=
all
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NEW YORK TIMES PROFILE OF CHRISTINE LAGARDE

Thursday, May 19, 2011

http://wanderingbetweentwoworlds.
blogspot.com/2011/05/new-york
-times-profile-of-christine.html
______________________________

The United States is not necessarily backing Lagarde to head the IMF. An American from Iowa named John Lipsky has also been mentioned as a possible successor to Strauss-Kahn.

US BALKS AT BACKING EUROPEAN CANDIDATE FOR IMF

http://www.nctimes.com/news/nation
al/article_b3aa6a0b-11cd-588f-83dd
-5618deac5387.html
______________________________

The thing I find intriguing is the fact that there is a Brussels branch of the Chicago law firm ( European Law Centre) for which Ms. Lagarde worked as a lawyer. As you know, Brussels is also the headquarters of the EU.

Dorothy said...

On her show today Constance showed how the New Age movement is really behind the Muslim-Israel confrontation. We are seeing the immediate and not looking at the long planning history involved in that movement. Those who think that when the Israel-Muslim confrontation is over with that things will be settled are just hoping. One must look at the long term planning of the New Age movement to understand what is going on. We really should stop looking at every thread and look at the tapestry.

Anonymous said...

Israel Expects Obama to Take Back ‘1967 Lines’ Demand

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was quick on the draw Thursday in voicing clear displeasure with President Barack Obama’s mideast policy speech.

“Israel appreciates President Obama’s commitment to peace,” the response began, curtly. “Israel believes that for peace to endure between Israelis and Palestinians, the viability of a Palestinian state cannot come at the expense of the viability of the one and only Jewish state.”

“That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress.”

“Among other things,” Netanyahu reminded Obama, “those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines.”

“Those commitments also ensure Israel’s well-being as a Jewish state by making clear that Palestinian refugees will settle in a future Palestinian state rather than in Israel.”

“Without a solution to the Palestinian refugee problem outside the borders of Israel, no territorial concession will bring peace.”

“Equally, the Palestinians, and not just the United States, must recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people, and any peace agreement with them must end all claims against Israel.”

“Prime Minister Netanyahu will make clear that the defense of Israel requires an Israeli military presence along the Jordan River.”

“Prime Minister Netanyahu will also express his disappointment over the Palestinian Authority’s decision to embrace Hamas, a terror organization committed to Israel’s destruction, as well as over Mahmoud Abbas’s recently expressed views which grossly distort history and make clear that Abbas seeks a Palestinian state in order to continue the conflict with Israel rather than end it.”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/N
ews/News.aspx/144338

Dorothy said...

Constance, please explain this.
While on the radio show in the chat room, I challenged an individual who was attacking Israel. A popup occurred saying AAA-Service - KEEP CALM. There were various explanations. It looks as if Microeffect uses a service connected with Able Danger that records the chat room and monitors it. Is the Chat Room safe for those of us who might challenge the antisemitism of the Microeffect audience?

Anonymous said...

Bail conditions for Strauss-Khan's release . . .

$1 million cash bail

$5 million bond

Home confinement to an undisclosed Manhattan address that has been rented by Strauss-Khan's wife

24-hour monitoring by guard Strauss-Khan is paying $200,000 a month.

Electronic tag fitted on his ankle.

Video cameras will also be installed in the house.

Alarms will be fitted on the doors to stop him leaving.

http://tinyurl.com/3ztkvdk

Anonymous said...

Do these measures seem just a bit draconian to a person who is supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty???

Anonymous said...

Susanna

A few stories this morning:

"Jean-Claude Juncker, who chairs euro zone finance ministers, and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi endorsed Lagarde on Thursday."

Diplomats said European Council President Herman van Rompuy, who chairs summits of the 27-nation EU, and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso were trying to secure an agreement on her name after the three biggest European powers -- Germany, France and Britain -- threw their weight behind her.

"There have been preliminary contacts to check if Christine Lagarde has the support of other countries because she is considered the best candidate in Europe," one diplomat said

Anonymous said...

Michael Savage on Ezekiel 38: http://tinyurl.com/3sxyle3 Guillermo

Dorothy said...

I found myself exploring the vanshardware website this morning. This led me to see something I had not seen before. The writer was exploring the background of the Georgia Guidestones. This led to a connection with Burj Khalifa and its similarity to the Tower of Babel.

I think the writer makes a strong case for the connection between New Age plans, the Islamic community and the role it believes it is playing in the future. Putting up the building is a slap at believers in God and what he did to the Tower of Babel, saying you can't destroy this one. Like those who built the first Tower, Muslims believe they are uniting all countries under the control of believers in Islam.

There is no way to show all that has been written about this possibility.

Burj Khalifa, a skyscraper in Dubai, United Arab Emirates (tallest man-made structure on Earth.

http://vanshardware.com/tag/burj-khalifa/

"The odd, narrow proportions of the Guidestones, 1 : 4 : 10, appear to point to the date January 4th, 2010 which coincides with the completion of the Burj Dubai, a fantastically tall, new building erected in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. If the two structures are truly connected in this manner, it almost certainly symbolizes the completion of a new Tower of Babel and the beginning of a New World Order where man — or more accurately certain men — can now reach godhood. It may, in fact, indicate that the builders believe an Antichrist has arrived."

Dictionary definition:
khalifah - the civil and religious leader of a Muslim state considered to be a representative of Allah on earth; "many radical Muslims believe a Khalifah will unite all Islamic lands and people and subjugate the rest of the world"

Marko said...

Dorothy and others,

I have never discounted the idea that the Antichrist will arise out of the Arab world, and not Europe (or a "revived Roman Empire"). Some of the recent posts lend credence to this idea.

Anonymous said...

Marko

The Roman Empire did have an eastern leg, and in the bible there is a reference to the ac as "The Assyrian"

Interestingly, there are some that hold the view that Rome's tenth legion consisted of some conscripts of Assyrian decent.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 10:02 A.M.

LEGAL CASE COULD AFFECT LAGARDE IMF PROSPECTS

May 19, 2011

http://www.reuters.com/article
/2011/05/19/us-strausskahn-imf
-lagarde-idUSTRE74I3U820110519
__________________________________

What Lagarde did was to abuse her authority when she overruled officials in her ministry by dropping a legal battle with Bernard Tapie and submitting it to an arbitration panel without even checking to see if such an arbitration process was legal in the first place. She also reportedly refused recommendations to appeal against the hefty compensation award to Bernard Tapie who is a personal friend of Sarkozy.

One would think that the IMF is one of the last places we would want to see a person who arrogantly makes up her own rules as she goes along without bothering to do her due diligence with regard to the legality of such "rules'"

Nevertheless, many of the European "powers that be" want someone in the IMF who, by hook or by crook, will preserve the euro which is said to be just about on its death bed. The preservation of the euro was reportedly a mainstay of Strauss-Kahn's policy and Lagarde will likely continue the policies of Strauss-Kahn if named to head the IMF.

By the way, Lagarde's counterpart here in the United States is none other than U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

Interestingly, Timothy Geithner's father Peter Geithner was director of the Asia Program at the Ford Foundation and oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, Barack Obama’s mother.

Even more interestingly, Muhammad Yunus' Grameen Bank was founded with help from people who ran the now-failed ShoreBank Chicago which also had close ties with Barack Obama.

Lagarde has publicly supported Muhammad Yunus and his microfinance empire.

Just this past April, Yunus went to France looking for support "after the Bangladesh government accused him of corruption in relation to a US$96 million loan from Norway to Grameen Bank in the 1990s.

During a visit to Paris, where he presented the French edition of his book “Building Social Business,” the Nobel Laureate repeated his innocence and gained fresh backing from the French government after meeting with Finance Minister Christine Lagarde."

http://www.microdinero.com/nota_
eng.php?subseccion=C1&notId=3528
_________________________________

The Yunus connection is what makes it even more fascinating for me to learn that Christine Lagarde worked for 20 years as a laywer in Chicago.....along with her reportedly wanting Paris to become an "Islamic banking center"

Yunus has been called "the Father of Microcredit in Paris."

The following is in French, but I think you can get the gist of the article

MUHAMMAD YUNUS LE PERE DU MICROCREDIT A PARIS

http://www.burkinapmepmi.com/IMG/
article_PDF/article_a4015.pdf
_________________________________

In 2009, before a standing room only audience, Muhammad Yunus presented his vision of "creating a world without poverty" at the IMF.

This was when communist-turned- socialist IMF chief Strauss-Kahn was still implementing his "Robin Hood" economic policies - a.k.a. redistribution of wealth.....

And Lagarde is likely to follow Strauss-Kahn's policies???

Hmmmmmmmmm.

JD said...

Obama declares national state of emergency over Libya

http://tinyurl.com/5s77gpc

Sure fire way to commit ground forces without Congressional approval.

Anonymous said...

Michael Savage: Bible shows what's next for Israel

When President Obama called yesterday for Israel to pull back to the borders that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War – lines Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called militarily "indefensible" – top-rated nationally syndicated radio host Michael Savage turned to the Bible for a glimpse of the Middle East's future.

"Ezekiel is predictive of what's going to happen," Savage said as he read from the Hebrew scriptures on the air. "There will be a war."

For more...
http://tinyurl.com/3hhoyv9

Dorothy said...

An interesting sidenote. If you look at the video of the discussion between Netanyahu and Obama you'll see that while N is talking for a very long time Obama puts his right hand over the left side of his face, doesn't move and just stares at N. I believe Obama was trying to upset Netanyahu with that pose. If you go to the Guardian story you will see a picture of Obama deliberately staring at BB. I caught it looking at the Fox live telecast. Obama is skilled in NLP techniques. That stare is what an angry employer would use on a employee he wants to intimidate for instance.
http://tinyurl.com/3ws8wp6

Also while Obama talks, he hardly looks directly at BB. He wants the focus to be on himself. When BB talks, he is emotional and his body language shows it.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

catch Lithgow's parody of Gingrich
on Colbert's Show
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/?akid=6990.253027.lLWW5v&id=593276&rd=1&t=2

Susanna said...

Anonymous 10:02 A.M.

The reason why some of the European "powers that be" are supporting Lagarde is because it is believed that she is going to continue the "Robin Hood" economic policies of her predecessor, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, whose agenda reportedly included preserving the euro at all costs.

There are many who believe that the euro is on its death bed.

Nevertheless, a common currency in Europe is still perceived by many to be the key ingredient with regard to the imposition of a "one size fits all" constitution and government on the countries of Europe.

Interestingly, Lagarde's counterpart in the United states is none other than Timothy Geithner whose father worked for the Ford Foundation overseeing the implementation of microfinance developed by Barack Obama's mother.

Lagarde is a big supporter of Muhammad Yunus who is referred to as the "father of microfinance in Paris." This is why I found the article I posted earlier interesting in terms of its having mentioned Lagarde's intention of make Paris an important center of Islamic finance.

Yunus was in Paris just last month looking for support in the wake of the Bangladeshi scandal he was recently involved in that resulted in his being forced out of the Grameen Bank which he founded with the help of several people who ran the now failed ShoreBank Chicago - a bank that had strong ties to Barack Obama.

This is why I found it so fascinating to learn that Christine Lagarde practiced law for 20 years in Chicago and that her law firm has a branch in Brussels where EU headquarters is also located.

At the end of the day, the scandal involving Christine Lagarde's interference in a the legal dispute between the business mogul Bernard Tapie and the French bank Credit Lyonnais which was state-owned at the time, may prove to be her undoing as well as Sarkozy's.

The news media - especially the New York times - is trying to downplay the significance of this scandal but it is important to consider the fact that Lagarde not only ignored the advice of officials in her ministry, but she never checked to see if the arbitration panel she set up which finally awarded huge reparations to Bernard Tapie.

It is being argued that the case should not have been settled by private arbitration since public money was at stake.

IMF NOMINEE MAY BE NEXT
SCANDAL

http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www
?post=186518

It has been reported that the IMF is already a cesspool of corruption as it is. Perhaps it is because it is being run by people who believe that they are "above the law."

Susanna said...

P.S.

Sorry I didn't finish my sentence where I meant to say......

....but she never checked to see if the arbitration panel she set up which finally awarded huge reparations to Bernard Tapie was legal to begin with.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy ,very interesting info on tha `Tallest man made` structure- indeed a Tower of Babel` Bur Khalifa. What concerns me is the fact that basically ALL our food packaging has the Halaal sign on and it becomes BIGGER!!! Knowing a bit about packaging- I know certain regulations have to be adhered to on products- which tells me that most products (Food and beverages) cannot market their products without it-or is there still a choice? I Google the Hallaal sign and came across many people`s disgust with it. The factories pay a surcharge upfront to the -wait for it..... THE MUSLIM JUDICIAL COUNCIL!!!! Thus the factories include this cost -and the consumer pays for it. It may be a meager sum -maybe 0.006c (in SA money) BUT add the trillions x trillions of products-the Muslim Judicial Council is funded by-their own and of course the infidels!!! That was neat. Can we campaign for a non-Hallaal section of food stuffs in our supermarkets?

What would happen if Christians insisted on a mark on food? I know the Jewish people have Kosher food.

My husband says the `mark of the beast` is on our food already!

Regards
Melinda

Dorothy said...

Melinda, it took a bit of looking to see what the symbol was, but I finally found the information. "Once the product is certified, permission is granted to display the IFANCA certification logo, the Crescent M, on the product packaging and label." Those looking for more information on this topic can find it at http://www.ifanca.org/index.php.

With food being an international item, it seems to me that it's just a business matter. If a company thinks it will sell more of its product with any seal of approval, it will go through the process. It may be in Muslim countries that all food has to be marked this way, but here in the US food producers have a choice.

Both Islam and Judaism have food rules. Christianity doesn't. In fact one of the selling points for Christianity two thousand years ago was that food rules could be discarded.

Certification means the food producers are watched over carefully to keep them to certain standards. It's not an endorsement of the religion itself. I don't know what percentage of Jews only keep kosher. I don't know what percentage of Muslims keep Halaal standards. I do know that others besides Jews prefer to buy certain items marked kosher over others.

Ruth of Exeter said...

Dorothy

Dr Stan Monteith was discussing the Obama-Bibi meeting with Barry Chamish on his show this week. Fascinating commentary on it, I thought.

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