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PILLARS OF THE "ALLIANCE OF CIVILIZATION" THE EARTH CHARTER By Constance Cumbey - January 16, 2007 |  |
A primary source for what was to become known as the Alliance of Civilizations, was the “Earth Charter Initiative.” Some chroniclers trace it back only as far as the 1987 Brundtland Commission The Earth Charter Declaration contains language startlingly reminiscent of its salvation-based religion baiting precedents, Humanist Manifesto and the Humanist Manifesto II. One prominent Earth Charter proponent, Maurice Strong, was quoted saying that the Earth Charter would become as important as the Ten Commandments. Conflicting histories have been given and it appears that it was in progress, per Maurice Strong, much earlier than the 1987 Brundtland Commission.
“The whole question of an Earth Charter was in fact on the UN Agenda at Rio. We didn't quite make it. We did make some progress. At the Stockholm Conference, which was the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in Stockholm in 1972, governments agreed to a historic declaration, which moved the world community towards what we now call an Earth Charter. Then, at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992, as the Secretary General of that conference, I challenged governments to produce an Earth Charter.[1]
This obvious phase of implementation of what former UN Assistant Secretary General Robert Muller and Maurice Strong alike would acknowledge was “The Plan” was being developed on Muller’s Costa Rican turf in 1995.[2] For me 1995 was an interesting year. It was then I discovered the existence of another interesting “eminent personality,” in the form of one Dr. Javier Solana. He also has had enormous input in the “Alliance of Civilizations.
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If the declared agenda of the Alliance of Civilizations of regulating religious schools and their curriculums seem potentially draconian, its incorporated “Earth Charter” is even stranger. It had a Vermont eerie coming out party, complete with drums and masks, preceding on September 9, 2001. This happened at Shelburne Farms, Vermont. “Eminent personalities” who were part of that party included Dr. Steven Rockefeller, Jane Goodall. New Age musician Paul Winter and “peace walker” Satish Kumar. Clearly, their Moloch was not appeased. Only two tragic days later the Eastern USA skies were aflame. The Twin Towers burned, the Pentagon burned, and an assaulted plane crashed and burned over Pennsylvania. The ritual masks and pagan drumbeat to usher their version of a 21st Century “Ark of the Covenant” clearly had not inoculated the world against war.
Another source of both Alliance of Civilizations and The Earth Charter inputs include Mikhail Gorbachev’s Green Cross. Author Wayne Peterson, a former United States State Department official and Fulbright Scholar executive wittingly or unwittingly reveals much of the possible agenda. He claims to personally knows Mikhail Gorbachev to be open devotee of “Maitreya, the Christ.” This may be entirely possible. The Earth Charter website says it was “restarted” by Strong and Gorbachev “with the assistance of the government of the Netherlands.” Many New Age guides to Europe in my personal library say Holland is the New Age capital of Europe. Apart from the obvious Findhorn Community (Scotland) claims, this may well be true. As early as 1903 a major Theosophical world congress was held in Amsterdam. During the 1920’s Theosophists were vigorously working to smooth the way for world acceptance of a “Day of Declaration.” Jiddhu Krishnamurti was anointed by Annie Besant, then Theosophical Society leader to be the “new Christ” and lead the world into a “New Order.” Dutch Queen Wilhelmina was an open devotee of Krishnamurti and eagerly awaited that “Day of Declaration,” offering Dutch national radio to broadcast the awaited Maitreyan acceptance speech. World theosophists flocked to the Theosophists Holland Camp Ommen. There they camped and shared vegetarian picnics out while taking part in convocations with “sacred fires.”
At Eerde, Holland, Krishnamurti had a lavish castle formerly belonging to a member of Dutch nobility. There he spent pre-Day of Declaration days with his Annie Besant and other followers. Several years later, in World War II, the Nazi warriors used Camp Ommen as a concentration camp. After Krishnamurti failed to deliver the acceptance speech, or so the official version goes, Annie Besant supposedly dissolved the “Order of the Star” connected with the “Christ’s reappearance.” Reportedly, she returned moneys to donors. I say supposedly, because despite these historical representations, I have amassed a collection of Order of the Star publications going through the mid 1930s and it appears that meetings were going on in Holland as well. Perhaps it was God who was not ready rather than Krishnamurti who expressed regrets from time to time in later life that he had not fully fulfilled his role as “the vehicle for the Christ.”
"The World Commission on Environment and Development (aka 'the Brundtland Commission') called for 'a universal declaration' and 'new charter' to set 'new norms' to guide the transition to sustainable development. (Our Common Future, 1987)
"A draft UN Earth Charter was developed for the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992, but the time for such a declaration was not right. The Rio Declaration became the statement of the achievable consensus at that time.
"In 1994, Maurice Strong (Chairman of the Rio Summit) and Mikhail Gorbachev, working through organizations they each founded (Earth Council and Green Cross International respectively), restarted the Earth Charter as a civil society initiative, with the help of the Government of the Netherlands. The initial drafting and consultation process drew on hundreds of international documents.
"Messrs. Strong and Gorbachev convened an independent Earth Charter Commission in 1997 to oversee the final development of the text and to come to agreement on a global consensus document.[3]
Bottom line: As one primary pillar of the now shaping Alliance of Civilizations, we have an Soviet atheist turned New Ager combining with an equally fervent Canadian billionaire devotee, both true believers in an alleged “Maitreya the Christ,” the latter particularly working openly with Lucis Trust, the offspring of Alice and Foster Bailey’s original “Lucifer Publishing Company.”
That such is taken seriously in more than esoteric circles is easily proved. One illustration is an article in the Vermont Journal of Environmental Law on December 2, 2001. Had a Christian or Jew dare suggest that this was God’s judgment on an idolatrous world, the outcry would still be heard. However, this suggestion that we all join in common earth worship passed at least the scrutiny of editors of what was supposed to be a respected legal journal:
"World tragedies necessitate the reaction of a united global society dedicated to responsible action and committed to peace. Identifying a common motivation and mode of communication to which all individuals can relate is a prerequisite component to avoiding destruction and moving towards progress. Humanity's dependence upon the planet earth serves as the natural primary connection between all people. By joining this undeniable truth with the notions underpinning the Earth Charter,[1] a blue print for building a new foundation to address our current reality can be identified."
Where this is heading and where environmentalists and New Agers alike are harmonically converging is clearly in the direction of earth worship and beyond to universe/cosmos adoration. Bundled in with the concept is one of gratitude to [gasp!] Lucifer himself, whom Benjamin Crème proudly proclaimed on one unwilling radio debate he did with me in the early 1980s, “made a tremendous sacrifice for our planet.” Evidently Lucifer, per Crème, ran a Garden of Eden intervention challenging God to see that we properly “evolved” rather than vegetate in a tropical garden. As a result, per Crème, Lucifer is the “prodigal son.” It is startling in personal conversations I have had with some in those circles that God is expected to welcome Lucifer back with open arms. A related belief is that those forever barred from the new Utopian Eden are those who stood in Lucifer’s way. This is a strange perversion of Judeo/Christian theology, widely published from sources such as Futurist Barbara Marx Hubbard and David Spangler. Lucis Trust has offered to cap it all off by allowing the world to use their “Great Invocation,” presumably a forced replacement to “The Lord’s Prayer” and “23rd Psalm.”
Such idolatry is condemned across the board by traditional monotheistic theology. Catholics as part of their baptismal rites say, “Do you reject Satan? The congregation is expected to answer, “I do.” “And all of his works? I do”
The biblical Book of Revelation contains a stern warning in chapter 14 that all should “fear God and give glory to Him for the hour of his judgment is come. Worship God who created the heaven, the earth, the seas, and the fountains of waters.” The Earth Covenant and its new bible called “the Book of Temenos” frighteningly reverse that command to one that inverts it to the very worship condemned: “If any man worships the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation.” Those worshiping the “beast and his image” and receiving the mark of his name were to “have no rest day nor night.”[4]
An even earlier proponent, working even closer to the time of the Krishnamurti era envisioned a scenario startlingly close to what now appears to be full process. H. G. Wells wrote in his 1928 book, THE OPEN CONSPIRACY; BLUEPRINTS FOR A WORLD REVOLUTION:
"Whenever possible, the Open Conspiracy will advance by illumination and persuasion. But it has to advance and even from the outset where it is not allowed to illuminate and persuade it must fight . . .in the face of unscrupulous opposition creative ideas must become aggressive, must define their enemies, and attack them. . . . The Open Conspiracy rests upon a disrespect for "nationality . . ."
Again, I say, "fasten your seatbelts, friends. We are in for a bumpy ride. Keep the faith!"
Footnotes:
2, In his UN retirement, Robert Muller moved to Costa Rica to chair the UN University there.
4, See Revelation (Apocalypse) Chapter 14, verses 6 through 12).
303 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 303 of 3032) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
2) To Anon at 5:20 PM Continued here:
Again you pack your response with irrelevancy to the question at hand. Firstly, You infer the word 'mass' where I speak of circulation based upon your irrelevant premise of the notion that few people could read [despite you not providing percentages of such for the period in question of how many people, in Israel and Greece for example, could read, and how many dedicated scribes there were etc, even if you did, which you haven't, such information would be irrelevant, given the information I have provided for my points at hand.) Whether this is the case or no, IT IS IRRELEVANT to the question at hand, which favours my points due to the academic resources at hand.
Secondly, I note that the academic evidence points to the 27 books of the New Testament being in free circulation by 70 to 100 AD, facilitated by the codex form which in turn became the format overwhelmingly accepted by Christians for production and distribution of copies of the 27 books of the New Testament.
Your point, I repeat, over how many people were able to read is a red herring and you know it! The point is, I repeat again, that scholars agree, as the overwhelming evidence impels them to, that the inclusion of the 27 books into the New Testament canon and the distribution of all 27 books, was agreed long before the Roman 'Catholic' Institution ever existed, itself being established by Constantine!
Provide worthy academic evidence to refute my claims of the 27 books being recogised, copied and diseminated well before Constantine, his Council of Nicea, and establishment of Roman 'Catholicism'. You've provided no sources so far. Keep it relevant.
Face it, you don't like to face facts, and you have nothing substantial, despite your red-herrings, irrelevancies, strawmen, and diversions, and cannot back up anything you purport, relevant to my points, with which to refute my argument!
Educate yourself, and stop waffling, keep things relevant! You have done nothing but further highlight your ignorance of both academic method, the historic period we are concerned with, and my validated points at hand!
I can no longer humor you. It is pointless to try to educate you, for you are obviously unwilling to be educated or to provide any educated points outside speculation!
Just now I heard a guest on Beck's show say extreme environmentalism was New Age. It was the first time I heard the term used on the show. They were talking about how the environmental movement was about worshiping the earth and not God.
Dorothy
Dorothy,
I am listening right now to Glenn Beck and heard the same thing about extreme environmentalism being New Age.
Susanna,
You said: By the way, the statictics about the loan "recovery rate" are debatable, but that is another story.
Now aren't you feeling generous! lol Let's call it what it is, those numbers are fraudulent if presented as borrower repayment (which Grameen has always done). In truth, yes the money roles back in but it typically comes from DEEP pockets. This was one of the statements made by Yunus that I out right laughed at during this years CGI. As he was trying to say Grameen did not take funds from outside sources, then contradicted himself later and said they did.
I could write a entire article simply on the contradictions of Muhammad Yunus statements. This is one of the reasons I can't believe people buy into him, as he makes a liar out of himself without anyone having to do any serious looking.
According to the New York Post,
No UFOs over New York City!!!
The Chelsea UFO theories have been deflated.
The mysterious objects that hovered over West 23rd Street on Wednesday were almost certainly errant party balloons.
And they came not from Mars, but Mount Vernon.
"It was just a freak thing. Frankly, I'm shocked by it," said Angela Freeman, head of the Milestone School in the Westchester suburb, where the cluster of balloons was inadvertently launched.
"The kids had an engagement party for a teacher, and a mother brought four dozen balloons, and she's coming through the door. It is very windy in Mount Vernon. Suddenly, 12 of the balloons let loose."
Read more:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/
manhattan/kids_behind_the_ufo_umDRA
39qHu7gFLYtZgIl5N#ixzz12T5MSWlr
THIS IS BAD!!!
U.S. is currency war's "tomb maker" -China economist
Oct 14 (Reuters) - The United States fired the first shot in the currency war and the rest of the world must be on guard for its deliberate strategy to devalue the dollar, a Chinese economist said in an official newspaper on Thursday.
In a front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, Li Xiangyang described the United States as the conflict's "first maker of tomb figures", a Chinese idiom that means someone who creates a bad precedent.
Li, head of the Asia department at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a top government think tank, said continued intervention in currency markets by developed economies would deal a blow to global economic recovery.
Chinese leaders have warned before that loose monetary policies in the United States pose a serious challenge for emerging markets, but rarely in such strident language, a window onto the rising anger in Beijing.
"The dollar's depreciation may appear to be market-driven. In reality, it is a depreciation coloured by very strong, deliberate actions," Li said in the paper, which serves as the chief mouthpiece of China's ruling Communist Party.
The overseas edition of the People's Daily is a smaller offshoot of the domestic edition.
Li said the Federal Reserve's announcement that it might soon launch another round of quantitative easing by buying bonds and other financial assets had been the key factor pulling down the dollar.
The motives were plain enough, he said.
Without a weaker dollar, the United States would have no hope of meeting President Barack Obama's goal to double exports in five years, Li said.
Dollar depreciation will also serve longer-term interests by generating inflation and easing the debt burden that the financial crisis dumped on the U.S. government.
"If the global financial crisis was about nationalising private debt, then in the post-crisis period the urgent need of the United States is to internationalise its national debt," he said
http://tinyurl.com/32yjqpt
I tried to read and understand the comments of the past few days. I don't understand much of it. I guess Jesus' main economics teaching was
"render unto Caesar that which is C's, and unto God that which is God's." And also stern criticism for pharisees who didn't take care of their old parents because they were too busy investing money for their own profit. People like Rick Warren seem to be trying to unit God and Caesar, is that right?
Some of us abandoned elders would so love for Jesus to just show up and guide our world. We are sick of the Warrens and investment
counselors alike. We want Jesus to deliver us into a natural, God-oriented life devoid of these
complexities. I'm obviously too old to enjoy this theorizing which seems to have no love and joy behind it
Mariel
Re BARCELONA PROCESS
Download full paper at
http://www.ceps.eu/book/foreign-policy-eu-palestinian-territory
Constance
This is a terrible anniversary for my husband and I -- it was 31 years ago to the day, October 15, 1979, that my husband lost both of his legs when a woman went out of control with her car and struck the car parked behind his while he was accessing his trunk.
Pray for us -- we have lived through so much!
Constance
Another significant CEPS paper on the European Neighbourhood Policy those of you following that process might want to download and study:
http://www.ceps.eu/book/remaking-europe%E2%80%99s-borders-through-european-neighbourhood-policy
From the abstract:
"This Working Document explores the implications of the European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) as an ambitious EU foreign policy for the development of a European political community. It suggests that the ENP can be viewed as an attempt to reconcile two potentially contradictory processes. The first – ‘border confirming’ – is about confirming border areas of demarcation and division, in which borders are conceived as boundary lines, frontier zones or barriers that protect the European Union and its citizens. The second – ‘border transcending’ – consists of a challenge to open EU borders and involves the transformation of the EU’s external boundaries into zones of interactions, opportunities and exchanges, with the emphasis on the transcendence of boundaries. To unpick some of the contradictions surrounding the highly contested phenomena of mobility in the neighbourhood, this paper analyses three bordering strategies: state borders, the imperial analogy and borders as networks. Each corresponds to different forms of territoriality and implies a different mode of control over the population."
The TINYURL link
http://tinyurl.com/2c9llbt
Constance
Mariel,
I will try my best to explain things the simplest way I have come to understand them after studying this issue for quite some time. When looking at the whole of the ideas, all sides are attempting to bring a new economic system out of the chaos that gripped the world as a result of the economic crisis. Susanna made a astute comparison that this model is not far from scrip, a form of debt enslavement used by coal companies. Truly there are many comparisons that could be made, except this emerging system is much broader and much more calculated.
The early beginnings of this system have been hidden under foreign aid and charity, in third world countries where almost anything will seem like a improvement over previous conditions. Those on the end looking to bring about "global governance" see this system as the way to establish the "New Age". It is particularly interesting because the pioneer of these ideas, Muhammad Yunus, is about as New Age as anyone that can be described. From his role as a ambassador for Lucis Trust's World Goodwill, to a former member of The Elders, to his current seat within the Club of Budapest, where he is a member of the World Shift Network where he works with the Institute of Noetic Sciences, The World Commission on Global Consciousness and Spirituality, and the Jerusalem Peace Academy among many others.
This was what drew us into looking at some of the many aspects of the unfolding economic change. That "Christian" leaders like Rick Warren (among many others) who promote New Age Christianity and Dominion mandates are also promoting the same economic ideas as a way to build the kingdom of God on Earth has only peeked or interest further. To this researcher it appears the people are being worked from all ends to accept this new system. It is also important to understand that this new economic system is highly dependent on traceability technology. In fact, elements of the system are being used to build complete grids in third world countries where the people have previously had little use for technology.
The entirety of the picture is very big and very complex. I find it difficult just to put it into simple enough words for others to understand and still do justice to the weight of the situation. If it were not for Susanna and I being able to kick information back and forth and run it through multiple filters I could easily be overwhelmed by it all. I hope my explanation was helpful, even if it is a little crude and lacking detail.
I know times are tough but you people really need to lighten up a bit (audio needed):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9xq-TVyHI&feature=player_embedded#!
More details emerging from the Chilean miners' ordeal...
http://tinyurl.com/2f7fnqh
JD,
Re:To this researcher it appears the people are being worked from all ends to accept this new system. It is also important to understand that this new economic system is highly dependent on traceability technology. In fact, elements of the system are being used to build complete grids in third world countries where the people have previously had little use for technology.
BINGO!!!
You and I have been discussing this in great depth.
Our research has revealed that there is very little that the technocratic elites are not trying to make dependent on some sort of traceability technology.
Given our research into neurochips, it appears that the technocrats are even hoping one day to be able to know what everyone is thinking!!!
Of course this is all being peddled as something "good" in terms of the possibility of its being used for - among other things - those who are suffering from "Locked-in syndrome."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Locked-In_syndrome
________________________
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain
%E2%80%93computer_interface
___________________________
Once neurochips and brain computer interface become the "norm," what's to stop the technocrats from making everyone's brain a "part of the grid?"
You are right in saying that people are being worked from all ends to accept this new "technocratic utopia."
For example, while the microchip being peddled by VeriChip with bipartisan help of politicains and conflicted lobbyists was pretty much rejected here in the U.S., it is being increasingly popularized by many among Europe's "beautiful people" who decided it was "cool" to be implanted so that they wouldn't have to wait in line to get into all the hot night spots or once in to be served drinks, etc.
As for Yunus and his little microfinance enterprise, as it expands globally, traceability technology will likely be used to keep track of who owes what to whom.
There is already a "smart city" in China which morphed out of the well-named "Octopus" smart card. It is one of those so-called "special economic zones" known as Shenzhen.
http://www.china-briefing.com/news
/2010/08/26/happy-birthday
-shenzhen-and-thanks.html
Actually, China reportedly doesn't have to roll the tanks and guns in any more to deal with uprisings in certain areas.
All they do is to send a couple of their agents in with smart card readers to find out who the ringleaders of the uprising were and quietly pick them off one by one at their liesure later on after the uprising is over.
Anniversary of Accident,
A one time horror, no one should have to live through.
Yet I know others have suffered much worse here in the great old United States, and listening to you whine online and beg support like your entire life has been like the trail of tears is pathetic.
Some of us don't celebrate past horrors because present day horrors blot out the ability to reminisce or even think straight.
Camille, (Constance), you will live to be older than me, own more things, have more friends, watch your children have more success.
Please count your blessings and stop whining.
ASITo the anonymous poster who told Constance not to whine, it amazes me that you would show such a lack of propriety. This is Constance's blog. That is tantamount to coming into her living room and telling her what to do. Please, you are a guest, SHOW SOME MANNERS.
Anon 3:03...
You have to be one of the most insensitive, without compassion, persons I have heard. Your comments are rude and inappropriate, especially as you are a guest on this site.
Dear Constance,
Disastrous anniversaries such as the one you described are not easily relived - even if only in our memories.
There is an old Irish saying, "T'is an ill wind that blows no good to someone."
The good I see is a woman named Constance who has live up to her name by faithfully living up to the "for better or for worse" part of her wedding vows and setting an example for those who are tempted to end their marriages when the pleasurable "for better" part is over.
I, for one, feel honored to think that you would regard those of us who have been regular participants here on your blog as friends to whom you can communicate the sad and sometimes traumatic things that have happened in your life.
I will certainly include you in my prayers this weekend.
"Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies."
Proverbs 31:10
Wayne Peterson was interviewed by Carol Bedrosian I found this last wk ,I don’t know how old it is
http://www.ofspirit.com/carolbedrosian13.htm
Carol: Your words seem to point towards greater self-absorption. I feel that today's population, especially Americans, are already very self-absorbed and only interested in what makes them most comfortable. You mentioned in your book that there is a lack of awareness in this country about the rest of the world and whole nations of people who are not as comfortable as we are, yet what you are talking about here seems to reinforce that.
Wayne: There is a total lack of awareness, as you mention, and that is an example of not knowing who we are. If we knew that we were not isolated beings as we tend to believe we are, I think we would lose a lot of that self-absorption and come to greater understanding that we are in this together, that every soul on this planet has a special relationship to every other soul. If even one member of humanity is left behind, he is sort of that anchor dragging and holding back the rest of us, so there is a need for all of us to move forward as a group. That is simply part of the recognition of who we are, as well: we are humanity, a group that must rely on one another. The first step in achieving all of our goals is a recognition that there is a brotherhood of man. Without that, you will never have sharing because you don't want to share if you don't think the other guy counts. Without sharing you can never have justice in the world and without justice you can never have world peace. It all starts with this idea that there is a brotherhood of man.
Amanda
Dear Constance, I did not know the full extent of your husband's injuries until your most recent post. You have indeed gone through a lot together and way beyond what I can imagine. I pray for the both of you and that you both are able to live for God's purposes. One of my first Christian books was your Rainbow book. Thank you! Praise God! Come Lord Jesus!
P.
Does anyone have any ideas about what we can do to stop or in any way influence in a godly way this integration of the world economy via technology that JD and Susanna have uncovered so well?
I feel very powerless the more I read this and at present my prayer intentions are in the main filled with requests from ill and suffering individuals I know personally, although I do pray always for the world at large.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/rosenberg-p1.1.1.html
This will be of interest to most of you, especially researchers.
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/17/the-3rd-lausanne-congress-opens-in-cape-town-16-oct-2010/
Some interesting happenings here in South Africa
Regards
Melinda
Melinda,
Thanks for the link on the Lausanne conference. Billy Graham is in my view one of the closest things we have today to a Counterfeit Christian or a "wolf in sheep's clothing."
It appears Graham does not know how to make the basic moral distionctions required of any Christian. Read here about his "wonderful friends" Bill and Hillary Clinton, the former a notorious womanizer.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/jun/05062707.html
Is is because Billy is so "sweet" and "loved" by middle America that makes him so dangerous. Talk about manipulation.
Moreover he sure does seem to love the spotlight and mucking it up with other VIP's. Talk about ego.
Tiny URL for the story on Billy Graham and his wonderful friends, the Clintons:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3xgl3m8
I received this link from a friend of mine at church. She normally sends me stuff about the end times and Solana. I guess since I have talked to her about the NAM during those times, she sent me this:
Here's an interesting article that provides a strange, possibly revealing quote by Michelle Obama indicating the Obamas' possible connection with New Age religions such as Wicca.
In her quote she says:
“It means all the world to us to know that there are prayer circles out there and people who are keeping the spirits clean around us,”
According to the article, It is the practitioners of Wicca who ask to “keep the spirits clean around us” to “the Goddess”.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/28761
Dawn,
I previously linked to a video where Michelle Obama made that quote. I actually learned about it from the Born to Watch website. My thinking was exactly the same regarding whether or not she was referring to something out of Wicca. Strange.
Dawn and Dave,
This is interesting given the Town Hall report by Kristen Atkinson about Michelle Obama's mother, Marian Robinson, practicing the form of voodoo known as "Santeria" - even in the White House - before Barack Obama reportedly laid down the law.
Michelle Obama's comment doesn't seem to make any sense within the context of Christianity either.
Beck has reported on the leftist Tides Foundation and its network. Tides is retaliating by targeting Beck's advertisers. See how Tide reports on itself and the way its supporters are into name calling, avoiding factual responses.
http://blog.tides.org/2010/10/15/dear-fox-advertiser/
When the very powerful Tides Foundation targets someone, you know that person is getting under their skin.
Dorothy
Rep. John Conyers (D - Mich.) publicly endorsed one world globalist agenda…
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=216593
Dorothy and others,
Yes, Glen Beck reports on stuff and you will find it is largely "left" related. Now that is all fine and good, yet the warning and the point was not to be "fooled" and "deceived" by what he appears to do. He has an agenda, United States as Saviour of the world. He sees divinity within. Please, note again who he is in bed with so to speak.
Perhaps it is time for a reminder of how "the world" and "New Age" works. It is not folks all on same page, working to accomplish the same thing in the same way. Generally they have same ideals but will twist it one way or another. There are things that are moved in one direction or another from whatever side of the coin is at the top. Rather, the New Age Movement has folks competing against each other for top spot and power and influence. Yes, Jesus said a house divide against itself cannot stand. But the world and new age movement is divided and fractured.
Now what do we see happening in a few weeks, is a shift. "The right" will regain some power. From the global perspective, migration will become the focus with the controls set in that focus that fits the global agenda.
Now that being said there are plenty of sincere people being led along as they embrace false ideals. As said before Glen Beck is either a purposeful deceiver or sincere and deceived. His words are not far from those in the NAM from the left. And note he is not a specific "New Ager" but a mormon, but mormon theology has that divine self aspect in common with New Age beliefs .
Peacebringer,
Maybe you ought to clean your own house before you start on Beck's house. Your association with Christianity is connected with AACC, American Association of Christian Counselors, a big business operation. The last conference used 3,000 rooms. Like any big business, the bottom line is making money and to that end AACC is association with HPSO, Health Providers Service Organization. Neither organization takes a stand against New Age pagan practices known as Alternative Health. In fact the links page of HPSO includes Massage Magazine, a cornucopia of New Age health practices.
Nothing I've found says AACC people will not be associated with New Age practices.
In fact:
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/larrycrabb.htm which shows a definite connection between the AACC and New Age ideas.
Now you may say you don't do anything connected with New Age ideas. That means nothing. Either you are with AACC or you aren't, and by looking at your blog, you are definitely with them. You have been following this blog long enough to know where New Age intersects with the Alternative Health movement.
Now granted I don't know much about the interworkings of all of the Christian establishment organizations. So I look forward to your response to this post.
Just an FYI. I posted a response to Peacebringer. I received a notice that said "Service Not Available" only to bring up this blog from start and found the message there. Just wonder if it will disappear again.
Dorothy,
I don’t know anything about the AACC, or HPSO, however, your condemnation of “alternative medicine” as a pagan “New Age practice” is patently ridiculous. I can think of nothing closer to pure witchcraft than the modern day pharmacopoeia practiced by our so-called, “traditional” western medicine which is founded and dependent on chemical treatments, dangerous vaccines, invasive surgeries, and the overuse and abuse of anti-biotics, which, by the way, is a practice that has spawned a plethora of drug resistant superbugs that have become THE single greatest threat to human health.
Alternative medicine is a treatment choice based on one’s interpretation of the known facts. It is not a religion. Sure, crystals and smudging, yoga and TM, are all part of the New Age “scene”. Therein is the crossover into NA. Yet, to define all “alternatives" to traditional western medicine as akin to practicing paganism is absurd.
Alternative medicine can come down to choosing between locally grown or organic foods vs. the GM mass produced anti-biotic and hormone laden substances found on supermarket shelves….or between ingesting a few vitamins and/or herbal supplements vs. cramming your medicine cabinet full of Pfizer and Merck’s plethora of drug concoctions.
When one is diagnosed with an incurable disease or is faced with debilitating pain, one is open to trying any alternative that might work. I underwent a “traditional" medicine epidermal steroid injection into the vertebrae in my neck that did absolutely nothing to ease my pain. A month later, still experiencing debilitating pain, I tried acupuncture, which for us westerner's is certainly considered an "alternative medicine" treatment, yet is considered quite traditional by Chinese standards.
Bottom line is that after only one acupuncture treatment I was 80% pain free and was able to put aside any notion of pursuing the “traditional” surgical option. (By the way, the acupuncturist who treated me is a wonderful Chinese man, AND a follower of Jesus Christ!)
You’d have to be an idiot to think that some foot long drug laden hospital syringe, (that's how big it looked to me), with a total cost of around $2400, is somehow preferable or more spiritually sanctified than a $50 treatment with two dozen tiny little acupuncture needles.
omots
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weird, posted a lengthy response to dorothy only to get a "service not available" error. Weird.
I could go back to pointing out what I was again, but for now simply say anyone can read for themselves where I come from theologically. I am pretty open.
I do find it interesting that in response to my pointing out the dangers of someone "respected" that went looking for something to "attack." It reminds me when I made an ill advised passing comment about "Catholic" theology that someone went and complained about my having a SYTYCD video posted without attending to the point of the post.
If someone looks hard enough, they can find something to attack. So the question here, with Glen Beck, am I just looking to attack, or are there concerns. Same with AACC. Regarding AACC (America Association of Christian Counselors) I am well aware of the "mix" involved, yet it is where God has me. God has used Larry Crabb significantly in my life as well, and I know the issues folks have with Dr. Crabb.
So feel free to attack me over my affiliation. I know I am doing what God asks of me. Guess what, I also sponsor a child via world vision.
So now that being said Dorothy, what is Glen Beck to you to feel the need to defend him to the point of going on attack?
Minor correction to my last comment at 4:39... I should have written, "epidural" not "epidermal". Oh well, I'm not getting another one.
omots
Constance 5:05,
Sounds like they're paving the way for sharia law and sharia courts.
omots
oh and one more thought at the moment. While I have benefited from the likes of Larry Crabb and others. Not one moment do I defend what they do that I believe or even others believe in error. I prayful consider and examine. Peter spoke truth one minute, then error in the next as did not understand. Fact is webs of deception our many and easily entangled. In order to not touch it, you would need to live in isolation. Those that listen to GLen beck, and appreciate him, I am not telling anyone not to. I am simply pointing out there are things to be alarmed over. I listen to anything others say about other alarms and prayerfully consider.
China Buying Oil Rights In Texas
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?
fa=PAGE.view&pageId=216633
Omots, of course people who don't find relief from standard medical doctors will seek out others who hopefully will help them. The scam with alternative health is generally the success of the procedure is dependent on the person receiving the procedure. If the method doesn't succeed, it's because the person on the receiving end is negative.
You had success with acupuncture. My mother didn't. She had a number of sessions. She went to Chinatown in Chicago and worked with a Chinese practitioner. Nada. Nothing.
You wrote:
I don’t know anything about the AACC, or HPSO, however, your condemnation of “alternative medicine” as a pagan “New Age practice” is patently ridiculous.
Then perhaps you need to do the same research I did. Comments off the top of your head are not equivalent to doing solid research.
Start with http://wholeagain.com/news.html and read the list of Holistic Health practices connected with New Age thinking. When you've spent at least ten hours following leads, check out
https://m360.energypsych.org/event.aspx?eventID=10991
Then put "manipulating energy conference "new age" " into a web search and check out the links.
If you put "manipulating energy pagan" into another web search you'll find additional pieces of information. Even homeopathy has a pagan/occult basis.
I'm not going to a full fledged academic paper for you or others nor will I think comments off the top of your head have any kind of validity no matter how nice a person you are. There is enough information on the internet for you to work with.
Dorothy
Here is how one Orthodox Rabbi analyzed Alternative Health practices. This is Brain Gym, used internationally in schools:
Brain Gym (BG): A set of physical [ritual] movements, and meditative mental techniques, purported to assist in thinking and learning. ‘Vision Circles’ is a higher level of BG. ‘P.A.C.E.’ is a subset of four of the BG techniques. BG has been promoted by missionaries of a far-Eastern /‘New-Age’ bent. They’ve been promoting BG in the Educational arena internationally for years.
These sets of movements - mislabeled ‘exercises’ – range from the seemingly arbitrary to the manifestly comical (e.g. ‘Thinking Caps’: rolling up the ears in order to improve thinking and self-awareness). Yet, many people unaware of its background may perceive BG to be harmless, albeit generally ‘brainless.’
However, recent research into Brain Gym reveals some very serious problems. The following are several primary concerns with BG [there are more specifics covered in a separate kuntrus (Hebrew booklet)]:
1) Firstly, Brain Gym is a foreign innovation in the highly sensitive field of Chinuch (education).
2) Secondly, it was developed, and is promoted by proponents of pantheistic/ k’fira and ע״ז-based systems. It’s founders, Gail E. and Paul E. Dennison are both involved in promoting the Taoist-based Touch-for-Health system [a popular form of Applied Kinesiology; see above] (Dennison & Dennison, BG Teacher’s Manual, Rev. Ed.-About the Authors; TFH website). As such, the issue of מסית ומדיח arises. That would raise grave questions about the entire system of BG, Vision Circles, et.al.
3) Additionally, the very system BG itself is rooted in foreign religious systems: According to BG’s own materials and proponents, it is based in part on:
[1] AKApplied Kinesiology – specifically the Far-Eastern (T@oist/ Tibetan) based system ‘Touch For Health’ (TFH) (according to BG’s own website, ‘FAQs’),
[2] Anthropsophy, the ‘New-Age’ sub-movement (see above), and Eurythmy, its ritual dance (v. C.H., Smart Moves, p. 125; cf. remember.mcmail.com/bodyofknowledge/bg; Eurythmy websites), and
[3] Japanese ‘k!’-based systems, such as Jin Shin Jitsu (BG Teacher’s Manual, Rev. Ed.; BG website). [See below, ‘Ch!’.] continued.....
Continued....
4) BG also includes various specific elements known to be related to Avoidah Zorah and or k’fira [heathenism], e.g.:
a. BG materials refer to ‘energy’-techniques (see ‘energy-healing’), e.g. ‘breathing energy’ (BG TM, rev. ed., e.g. p.26, 27). This relates BG to prana (‘life-breath’/’-force’), the fundam-ental Avoidah Zorah notion of Eastern-type religions, deceptively labeled simple ‘energy’. See ‘Ch!’.
b. There is a reference in that same manual (p.26,’variations’) to ‘zipping up’ the midline, ‘without touching’ the body. This is a clear reference to the mystical ‘aura’ (see above), which plays a role in the systems from which BG draws, especially TFH.
c. There are subtle references to Heaven-& Earth-worship (which appear to be remnants of ‘Sabianism’) (e.g.: ibid.p.26; עמו״נ ג׃כט־ל ואכמ״ל). TFH and Anthroposophy are similarly sabian.
d. Numerous techniques used in BG include the drawing [in the air] of a sideways figure-8, the infinity sign, a.k.a. the ‘Lemniscate.’
The Lemniscate symbol has a deep occultic significance - in the very systems from which BG drew.
(a) The lemniscate appears in ‘Touch For Health’ - which adopted it from Tibetan ‘Medicine’ (i.e. Tibetan religion) (JFT, TFH p.122). (b) The lemniscate also plays a role in Anthroposophy (see above): In a book – published by the Anthroposophic Press – which openly mourns the ancient loss of sun-worship (The Sun: The Ancient Mysteries and a ‘New Physics’ (sic) by Georg Blattman, translated from German (c)’85; ISBN 086315-029-2), the lemniscate is described as representing in its center the cross (2.12; p. 164) [a sun-symbol]; the [imagined] divinity of the sun, אותו איש, and the deification of Man, R”L (2.14; p.177). (copy available)
Also realize that (i) the foundation of these Eastern-type worldviews is the notion of a universal ‘life-force’ called ‘pran@’ or ‘ch!’ (see further), and that (ii) pran@ is imagined to originate from the sun (Z.F.Lansdowne y”s, Chakras &Esoteric Healing p.65).
Be aware that BG proponents stridently and vigorously cite many ‘studies’ to establish BG’s effectiveness. Realize that these studies are not scientific; for one, they are performed by parties with open associations with [and presumably biased towards] BG. Also note that even if something works, that alone does not necessarily establish permissibility. More to the point, even if some of the BG techniques provide a measure of exercise-benefit, there seems to be no reason to choose those very specific forms of movement over the many thousands of other permutations of movement that would provide the same or better physical benefit. If so – why ape their ע״ז-based, T@oist, Anthroposophic system?
Moreover, even if it were to be found that BG may contain certain legitimate elements, that would not render the remainder of the system kosher. Also realize that not every seemingly ‘physical’ technique is kosher. Often darkei-emori, and even kishuf are also ‘physical’ actions (v. מו״נ ח״ג ר״פ ל״ז). ***
Cf. Theosophy, Anthroposophy, Ray Methods, Montessori
Another disappearing post before the Brain Gym post. It was a response to Omots. I'm trying again. This time I saved the following.
Omots,
My mother tried acupuncture, several sessons done in Chinatown in Chicago by a credited practitioner. Nada. Nothing
Alternative health is also known as Holistic Health. Start with
http://wholeagain.com/news.html and go to Health and Healing to see the links on the right which will give you an idea of how broad that New Age field is.
If you do a web search using the terms Alternative Health, Holistic Health, Occult, New Age, pagan in various groupings, you'll see many, many links showing the connections.
There are many "energy" conferences linking the various branches of Holistic Health. They are for those who practice Holistic Health. One such is Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology. See the two parts of the analysis of Brain Gym previous if they haven't disappeared. They will show how "energy" therapy is connected to the occult. That paper is quite long and I don't have the link at my fingertips.
If you just want to look at a pop view of Holistic Health, check out this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/merlin_jet/holistic_health.html
http://tinyurl.com/2337bp6
Homeopathy is connected to the occult as are so many other practices such as Reiki.
I can't write an academic paper for you, explaining everything in just a few succinct sentences any more than I could explain how cell phones work in a few words. Just know that Alternative Health is a huge field meant to get people thinking that if their medical problem isn't solved it's because the person has a negative mental attitude toward the practice.
Dorothy
Cute, as I'm attempting to post this, I'm getting a message asking if I want to leave this page, which means everything I wrote would disappear.
Maybe third time will be the charm. Post #2, same response to Omots disappeared again after appearing in the thread.
Another disappearing post before the Brain Gym post. It was a response to Omots. I'm trying again. This time I saved the following.
Omots,
My mother tried acupuncture, several sessons done in Chinatown in Chicago by a credited practitioner. Nada. Nothing
Alternative health is also known as Holistic Health. Start with
http://wholeagain.com/news.html and go to Health and Healing to see the links on the right which will give you an idea of how broad that New Age field is.
If you do a web search using the terms Alternative Health, Holistic Health, Occult, New Age, pagan in various groupings, you'll see many, many links showing the connections.
There are many "energy" conferences linking the various branches of Holistic Health. They are for those who practice Holistic Health. One such is Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology. See the two parts of the analysis of Brain Gym previous if they haven't disappeared. They will show how "energy" therapy is connected to the occult. That paper is quite long and I don't have the link at my fingertips.
If you just want to look at a pop view of Holistic Health, check out this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/merlin_jet/holistic_health.html
http://tinyurl.com/2337bp6
Homeopathy is connected to the occult as are so many other practices such as Reiki.
I can't write an academic paper for you, explaining everything in just a few succinct sentences any more than I could explain how cell phones work in a few words. Just know that Alternative Health is a huge field meant to get people thinking that if their medical problem isn't solved it's because the person has a negative mental attitude toward the practice.
Dorothy
Notes added: Cute, as I'm attempting to post this, I'm getting a message asking if I want to leave this page, which means everything I wrote would disappear.... But it appeared and then disappeared after some time passed.
Constance,
please check your gmail.
Susanna
It has been some time since I posted here, but I know you are on top of everything. Our little friend, the arrogant weasel Sarkozy seems to be popping up everywhere! Not to mention visiting the Pope and trying to insert himself into the middle east peace talks. I am telling you, watch out for this guy!
Sarkozy and Merkel: We need a new EU treaty
http://tinyurl.com/27tzjqk
Russia Considering Proposal To Join Missile Shield
http://tinyurl.com/24mq5ak
Europe, Russia should become friends, French, German leaders say
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-10/19/c_13563494.htm
France's Sarkozy: Eyes EU-Russia Economic Area In 10-15 Years
http://tinyurl.com/2afk5qb
Fourth attempt to post this information. The first three disappeared disappeared after appearing on the thread.. The first time I posted the information it was before my posts on Brain Gym which were to be a follow-up.
...
Omots,
My mother tried acupuncture, several sessons done in Chinatown in Chicago by a credited practitioner. Nada. Nothing
Alternative health is also known as Holistic Health. Start with
http://wholeagain.com/news.html and go to Health and Healing to see the links on the right which will give you an idea of how broad that
New Age field is.
If you do a web search using the terms Alternative Health, Holistic Health, Occult, New Age, pagan in various groupings, you'll see many,
many links showing the connections.
There are many "energy" conferences linking the various branches of Holistic Health. They are for those who practice Holistic Health.
One such is Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology.
See the two parts of the analysis of Brain Gym previous if they haven't
disappeared. They will show how "energy" therapy is connected to the occult. That paper is quite long and I don't have the link at my
fingertips.
If you just want to look at a pop view of Holistic Health, check out this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/merlin_jet/holistic_health.html
http://tinyurl.com/2337bp6
Homeopathy is connected to the occult as are so many other practices such as Reiki.
I can't write an academic paper for you, explaining everything in just a few succinct sentences any more than I could explain how cell
phones work in a few words. Just know that Alternative Health is a huge field meant to get people thinking that if their medical problem
isn't solved it's because the person has a negative mental attitude toward the practice.
Dorothy
Fifth attempt to post this information. The first four disappeared after appearing on the thread. The first time I posted the information it was before my posts on Brain Gym which were to be a follow-up. I'm beginning to think there may be a program set up to make a post disappear if a certain word or words appear.
...
Omots,
My mother tried acupuncture, several sessons done in Chinatown in Chicago by a credited practitioner. Nada. Nothing
Alternative health is also known as Holistic Health. Start with
http://wholeagain.com/news.html and go to Health and Healing to see the links on the right which will give you an idea of how broad that
New Age field is.
If you do a web search using the terms Alternative Health, Holistic Health, Occult, New Age, pagan in various groupings, you'll see many,
many links showing the connections.
There are many "energy" conferences linking the various branches of Holistic Health. They are for those who practice Holistic Health.
One such is Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology.
See the two parts of the analysis of Brain Gym previous if they haven't
disappeared. They will show how "energy" therapy is connected to the occult. That paper is quite long and I don't have the link at my
fingertips.
If you just want to look at a pop view of Holistic Health, check out this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/merlin_jet/holistic_health.html
http://tinyurl.com/2337bp6
Homeopathy is connected to the occult as are so many other practices such as Reiki.
I can't write an academic paper for you, explaining everything in just a few succinct sentences any more than I could explain how cell
phones work in a few words. Just know that Alternative Health is a huge field meant to get people thinking that if their medical problem
isn't solved it's because the person has a negative mental attitude toward the practice.
Dorothy
EU drops charges against France over Roma expulsions...
http://euobserver.com/9/31074
Peacebringer,
This is a link from Alternet, a leftist news site. The link goes to a story featuring ten items making fun of Beck.
http://www.alternet.org/story/148527/10_funniest_videos_mocking_glenn_beck?page=entire
http://tinyurl.com/2aytbbp
Why is the left putting in so much effort to discredit him if he supposedly is on their side as you suggest?
Sixth attempt to post this information. The five disappeared after appearing on the thread.. The first time I posted the information it was before my posts on Brain Gym which were to be a follow-up.
I'm beginning to think there may be a program set up to make a post disappear if a certain word or words appear.
...
Omots,
My mother tried acupuncture, several sessons done in Chinatown in Chicago by a credited practitioner. Nada. Nothing
Alternative health is also known as Holistic Health. Start with
http://wholeagain.com/news.html and go to Health and Healing to see the links on the right which will give you an idea of how broad that
New Age field is.
If you do a web search using the terms Alternative Health, Holistic Health, Occult, New Age, pagan in various groupings, you'll see many,
many links showing the connections.
There are many "energy" conferences linking the various branches of Holistic Health. They are for those who practice Holistic Health.
One such is Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology.
See the two parts of the analysis of Brain Gym previous if they haven't
disappeared. They will show how "energy" therapy is connected to the occult. That paper is quite long and I don't have the link at my
fingertips.
If you just want to look at a pop view of Holistic Health, check out this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/merlin_jet/holistic_health.html
http://tinyurl.com/2337bp6
Homeopathy is connected to the occult as are so many other practices such as Reiki.
I can't write an academic paper for you, explaining everything in just a few succinct sentences any more than I could explain how cell
phones work in a few words. Just know that Alternative Health is a huge field meant to get people thinking that if their medical problem
isn't solved it's because the person has a negative mental attitude toward the practice.
Dorothy
Fifth attempt to post this information. The first four disappeared after appearing on the thread. The first time I posted the information it was before my posts on Brain Gym which were to be a follow-up. I'm beginning to think there may be a program set up to make a post disappear if a certain word or words appear.
...
Omots,
My mother tried acupuncture, several sessons done in Chinatown in Chicago by a credited practitioner. Nada. Nothing
Alternative health is also known as Holistic Health. Start with
http://wholeagain.com/news.html and go to Health and Healing to see the links on the right which will give you an idea of how broad that
New Age field is.
If you do a web search using the terms Alternative Health, Holistic Health, Occult, New Age, pagan in various groupings, you'll see many,
many links showing the connections.
There are many "energy" conferences linking the various branches of Holistic Health. They are for those who practice Holistic Health.
One such is Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology.
See the two parts of the analysis of Brain Gym previous if they haven't
disappeared. They will show how "energy" therapy is connected to the occult. That paper is quite long and I don't have the link at my
fingertips.
If you just want to look at a pop view of Holistic Health, check out this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/merlin_jet/holistic_health.html
http://tinyurl.com/2337bp6
Homeopathy is connected to the occult as are so many other practices such as Reiki.
I can't write an academic paper for you, explaining everything in just a few succinct sentences any more than I could explain how cell
phones work in a few words. Just know that Alternative Health is a huge field meant to get people thinking that if their medical problem
isn't solved it's because the person has a negative mental attitude toward the practice.
Dorothy
Rolling strikes lead to petrol shortages in France
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Official images of French President Nicolas Sarkozy serenely strolling along a boardwalk with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in the French resort-town of Deauville on Monday evening (18 October) stand in contrast to social tensions in the rest of the country.
As the two leaders called for an EU treaty change to prevent future government debt crises threatening the eurozone, widespread protests continued across France in opposition to Mr Sarkozy's pension reform plans that propose raising the retirement age from 60 to 62.
Violent confrontations between youths and riot police took place in several cities, with ongoing rolling strikes restricting supplies from all but one of the country's 12 oil refineries. Panic-buying has led to a 50 percent jump in petrol sales in recent days.
Unions plan to hold another day of nationwide strikes on Tuesday, expected to ground many international flights, as tensions mount ahead of Thursday's senate vote on the reform package.
With some 1,500 French petrol stations already out of fuel, the industry has started to tap its 30-day emergency stores. The government also has 98 days of oil stocks in a strategic reserve.
For more...
http://euobserver.com/9/31069
Peacebringer,
This is a link from Alternet, a leftist news site. The link goes to a story featuring ten items making fun of Beck.
http://www.alternet.org/story/148527/10_funniest_videos_mocking_glenn_beck?page=entire
http://tinyurl.com/2aytbbp
Why is the left putting in so much effort to discredit him if he supposedly is on their side as you suggest?
10:20 AM
Seventh attempt to post this information. The six disappeared after appearing on the thread.. The first time I posted the information it was before my posts on Brain Gym which were to be a follow-up. I'm beginning to think there may be a program set up to make a post disappear if a certain word or words appear.
...
Omots,
My mother tried acupuncture, several sessons done in Chinatown in Chicago by a credited practitioner. Nada. Nothing
Alternative health is also known as Holistic Health. Start with
http://wholeagain.com/news.html and go to Health and Healing to see the links on the right which will give you an idea of how broad that
New Age field is.
If you do a web search using the terms Alternative Health, Holistic Health, Occult, New Age, pagan in various groupings, you'll see many,many links showing the connections.
There are many "energy" conferences linking the various branches of Holistic Health. They are for those who practice Holistic Health.
One such is Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology.
See the two parts of the analysis of Brain Gym previous if they haven't disappeared. They will show how "energy" therapy is connected to the occult. That paper is quite long and I don't have the link at my fingertips.
If you just want to look at a pop view of Holistic Health, check out this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/merlin_jet/holistic_health.html
http://tinyurl.com/2337bp6
Homeopathy is connected to the occult as are so many other practices such as Reiki.
I can't write an academic paper for you, explaining everything in just a few succinct sentences any more than I could explain how cell phones work in a few words. Just know that Alternative Health is a huge field meant to get people thinking that if their medical problem
isn't solved it's because the person has a negative mental attitude toward the practice.
The previous attempt to post appeared on the blog at 10:24 AM
Dorothy
Error
Dorothy,
Thank you for your links and articles. I agree with you regarding alternative therapies. Dangerous murky waters. The bottom line is pragmatism. If it works, it must be right or true--the end justifies the means.
But we know that this is the way deceptions works. Good results with deceptive piggy backs. What else is deposited with the results? Deceiving spirits?
However, I do differ with you regarding Glen Beck. Yes, he has exposed and continues to expose NA. Yes, NA sources are mocking him and fighting against him. You are right.
I appreciate your long, arduous, and excellent research in the NA with Constance. I am learning so much from all of you.
One thing I have learned is the absolutely diabolical skill of the enemy to deceive. I believe that Beck is part of the dialectic. Mock Beck; denounce him vehemently. The Tea Partiers, Evangelicals, etc. will take sides and embrace him all the more. In the meantime, he will continue to use his double speak, so that unsuspecting gullible people will agree with his "evangelical" verbiage even though his definitions are quite contrary to their faith.
Beck's Mormonism gives him identical vocabulary based on a very different dictionary. For example, "born again" to an evangelical Christian means (in a nutshell) to be born of the Spirit through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh, who came as a sacrifice to reconcile man to God.
But to a Mormon, "born again" means to be baptized into the Mormon church. This means embracing a different Jesus who was physically conceived by a sexual union between god and Mary. And the definition of "God" is also bizarre. According to them, the God we as Christians acknowledge was once a man who ascended to godhood. Isn't this the same as NA?
I am getting my source from a former once-hardcore converted Mormon who was well-versed in her faith. (..continued…)
(…continued…)
She also explained the Mormon teaching regarding the US constitution that "hangs by a thread". The Mormon church will rise up and be the delivering force which will save the US from destruction and reestablish the US in Mormonism. This is the Mormon version of dominionism.
When Beck says, "Families are forever" he is not affirming the family as the foundation of society. He is affirming the Mormon doctrine that we are spiritual beings in heaven awaiting birth into human families (which is why Mormons believe in bigamy--to populate the earth with Mormons who will ascend to godhood).
Yes, you are right he is exposing the NA. Good for us. But he is a tool of the NA in a dialectic sense. Attack him; let the evangelicals and conservatives embrace him. Take their focus of the real, one true God. It doesn't matter what the result, does it? As long as we don't see the smoke screen.
I remember who Beck's boss is--Rupert Murcoch. I also remember that Beck was set to expose the alleged determent camps supposedly being prepared by the US government. But he was suddenly shut down from doing so. Why?
Whether not the story is true is not my point. The fact remains that Beck's loyalty is to his boss and his faith.
Proceed with caution. I do not give him a green light.
YesNaSpanishTown
Dorothy,
The thing is the New Age is not about left or right, it is about the global agenda. We know the both bushes are new age. We know that Doug Coe,the Family and such are new age. We know Newt is new age. So it is not about left and right, it is about moving the agenda forward. And they will.
So yes, the left makes fun of Beck. This does not make him not promoting "New Age" ideals. He clearly subscribes to the strength of the individual and divinity within. As I said, words he said sound very similar to my wife's freemason uncle. "Strength within." Now where Beck differs new age is the "Divine America" prinicple, but that serves the Powers that be purposes does it not, until the time where it is not. Dorothy, does it not bother you at all the people who equate USA with Israel as a God chosen nation?
What will the "Tea Party" and this next turn of power do. Ultimately something to again further marginalize Christians. It will establish further the migration "control." It will get those focused on governmental change even more so.
Ammendment to above post:
I remember who Beck's boss is--Rupert Murcoch. I also remember that Beck was set to expose the alleged determent camps supposedly being prepared by the US government. But he was suddenly shut down from doing so. Why?
Whether not the story is true is not my point. (If the story is indeed false, why not report it and expose it's fallacy. Who is better than Beck to put an end to the myth? Would not the conservatives believe him?) The fact remains that Beck's loyalty is to his boss and his faith.
Proceed with caution. I do not give him a green light.
YesNaSpanishTown
YA and Peacebringer,
I know you mean well, but you've provided your opinions rather than factual information. I'm well aware of Mormon beliefs and in no way support them. On the other side I've had contact with Mormons on several occasions. My sons were part of a Boy Scout troop run by Mormon volunteers. These people did not push their religion and treated everyone with decency and helpfulness.
Living in the KC area for several years, we became acquainted with both branches of the religion, the large temple and the original group.
In the early '80s I worked with and met Mormon women fighting what was going on in the schools.
Several years ago on a car trip out west we stopped in Salt Lake City so my son could meet again with a Mormon man who he worked with professionally on many occasions. We stopped at Temple square and got a tour of the place.
I also have a set of books that were written against the Mormon community. I'm also aware of the political power of the Mormon community. However on none of the above occasions was there an effort to introduce anyone to Mormonism. Everyone we encountered treated us with the kind of decency I've not found from many followers of Judaism and Christianity. If it wasn't for their strange beliefs, I'd say that others could learn how to treat others from them. Many self-professed Christians and Jews could learn those personal skills. So, don't tell me that Beck is automatically suspect because he is a Mormon.
Also, please know that after 30 years of serious research I do not need to be taught about the methods and extent of the New Age movement. I know you mean well, but after a while it gets insulting.
Dorothy
Omots, I thank you for the additional information. It appears, however, that you have not done any research on Holistic Health. If all you took from the posts on Brain Gym is that they were written from an Orthodox Jewish point of view, you've learned little. I would suggest to you that the fact that they were written by an Orthodox rabbi does not mean that it is not well researched information. Are you also discounting any information given to you by Protestant ministers or Catholic priests. If so, that's New Age bigotry.
Dorothy
Dorothy
Dorothy,
You wrote, "Also, please know that after 30 years of serious research I do not need to be taught about the methods and extent of the New Age movement. I know you mean well, but after a while it gets insulting.
I sincerely apologize for insulting you. That was not my intent at all. Rather, I stated earlier in the post that I credit you, Constance and others who have taught me so much.
My point was not to insult or instruct you. I appreciate your insights. Three years ago, I would never have recognized the dialectical. It is because of this blog primarily that I am more aware of it now. I was simply trying to express what I was seeing in regards to the dialectic.
I can see how you would take my comments as you did, and truly apologize.
YesNaSpanishTown
Speaking of not "kosher", it is a fact that many of the most popular vaccines in use today are still being developed from cell components removed from aborted babies over thirty-five years ago....
The WI-38 and MRC-5 cell cultures have been used to prepare hundreds of millions of doses of vaccines.
So what's in your flu shot?
Yesna,
You also have been a valuable contributor and many have learned from what you posted.
Just to make it clear, what got to me was your statement,
"Mock Beck; denounce him vehemently. The Tea Partiers, Evangelicals, etc. will take sides and embrace him all the more. In the meantime, he will continue to use his double speak, so that unsuspecting gullible people will agree with his "evangelical" verbiage even though his definitions are quite contrary to their faith."
I consider myself a supporter of Beck's show. I also have been to many tea party events. The people at these events are very much like me, searching for answers and they are willing to work to learn what is going on. To describe them and me as gullible was the problem. Yes, many of them are new to taking political stands and may make mistakes as all of us do when learning more and more.
While I appreciate the apology, it wasn't necessary. What we've done is so much more important. Open dialogue between people who disagree is important. I can learn why you take the stands you do and you can learn why I take others. In the process we learn more about what is going on. If we just continuously agree with each other, nothing will be learned as we both would be working off the same information set.
Dorothy
Thanks, Dorothy.
I appreciate your openness. It would been better for me to have asked you a question rather than to have made the statement. As a researcher for 30 years, do you think this could be a case of the dialectical?
We all see these things in light of what is happening in our own lives. One of the things I face is this Dominionism that we have discussed and Constance exposes in her books.
I, too, listen to Beck intermittently as well as others. I do agree with much that he says politically, so I do understand what you are saying.
I used a word that could be emotionally charged and it certainly was for you. My use of the word gullible was regarding the extreme dominionism that is underlying many (but not all) of the proponents of this movement.
I agree with the fiscal, governmental and moral conservatism of this movement. But joining of the movement with leaders of the NAR for example is very concerning. They are not shy about turning the US into a theocracy of their own interpretations. This should be an alarm to all.
Obviously, you are well-researched. What is frightening is that at large, most accept the package without knowing all that is hidden in some of the agendas. It is to this aspect that I used the word gullible, though perhaps I should have been more clear by what I meant.
That point that I was trying to make was my last statement. --Proceed with caution.
YesNaSpanishTown
YesNa
You've been a valuable contributor to this blog and many have learned from what you've posted.
There was no need to apologize as while we disagree on things, we learn best in open dialogue. We learn from those we disagree with in a particular area because each brings new background information. You learn why I think a certain way, and I learn why you think as you do. People who agree with each other all of the time are likely to learn little because both are working with the same pieces of information.
Just to let you know, what I felt necessary to oppose you about was your comment saying people who accept Beck at face value such as tea party people are gullible. I like Beck's shows and have attended many tea party events. I find the people there are those who are willing to learn and are willing to work to gather information. I do not see myself as gullible nor them as gullible. We all will make mistakes as we learn. The gullible ones are those who merely absorb information from the general culture.
Do you have any thoughts on why certain posts disappear? Susanna said she had to try 16 times to get something to stay on the thread recently.
My last comment to you disappeared. This time I'm copying it and will continue to post it until it appears.
Dorothy
YesNa
This is so weird. When I tried to look at Newer comments where my first post to you was and now appears along with your answer it wasn't there. Somehow this blog has technically become a science fiction horror show.
I had to look up dialectics.
Here for others who don't know what the word means.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dialectic
There is nothing wrong with exchanging viewpoints. As I said, we learn from each other. I think you are concerned that the same people are deliberately controlling both sides of the discussion to bring about their planned change. Christianity infiltrated by New Age thinking could bring about a New Age religious culture which wouldn't be Christianity or Judaism oriented or even Mormon oriented for that matter.
OK. How would you describe a New Age religious culture and then work backwards from that to show how you see it coming about? I think we both know the dangers of that already.
Dorothy
Yesna, Dorothy,
I may be wrong, but I believe the particular dialectic Yesna is referring to is the Hegelian Dialectic. In short a thesis is presented, while a opposing party presents the anti-thesis, through the exchange a synthesis of the ideas becomes the final outcome. The idea being that both parties had the synthesis as the desired outcome from the start and exchanged opposing view simply for perception of the observer.
http://www.artandpopularculture.com/Hegelian_dialectic
JD, that was in the dictionary that I linked to. You are correct, but there were two other definitions.
Dorothy
Dorothy 12:56,
I am not discounting the research at all. In fact, specifically re Brain Gym, I agree with the conclusions. What I disagree with you on is the assumption that anything labeled "alternative", or even "holistic" is the same as "new age" and therefore, part of an evil deception. Now that's what I call bigotry.
omots
YesNa,
You wrote in a previous comment:
Beck's Mormonism gives him identical vocabulary based on a very different dictionary.
I like the way your worded that! I may borrow that in that in future.
By the way Craig,
My computer crashed some time ago so I lost all my bookmarks and cannot remember your blogspot.
Could you please post it again?
I wish I could claim the original thought, but my formerly Mormon friend explained it to me that way.
Thanks,
YesNaSpanishTown
"New Age bigotry"??? LOLOL
Wow! What will you psycho's come up with next? Everyone and everything that disagrees with you is part of the "New Age' is it?
You're quite insane. A discredit to Christianity.
Somneone is deleting posts again. tsk tsk..not very honest now, is it?
The only problem with the word "holistic" is that it's a new age buzzword. Dust off your "Hidden Dangers," and it's in there along with "interdepence." The word "holistic" refers to mind-body-spirit; it's actually the word "wholistic," but the w is dropped for some reason.
Anon,
No one here is deleting posts. Do you see a notification that says a post was deleted? Even if Constance was deleting posts, you would get a notice that says the post was deleted by a moderator. Now is it possible there is someone outside this group wiping them completely from existence? Maybe. I will be running a experiment over the next couple weeks to see if we can get to the bottom of the disappearing posts and errors everyone is getting. If you want to follow it you will be able to do so and participate at my blog. I will be opening a thread shortly explaining everything.
YesNa,
Well, I just may use that in a future blog article and attribute it as "someone once said" or something like that.
You can get to me blog by clicking on my name. I forget to do this sometimes as I have to do it manually on non-WordPress blogs such as this one. Or, perhaps, I'm just too dense to know how to do it otherwise...
All,
I have a new post up concerning a experiment I am running on the posting issues. If one wishes to participate please read my blog for a basic description, and I will answer any questions there.
www.jd-thedevilisinthedetails.blogspot.com
BCDavid,
Merriam Webster defines "holistic" as
: relating to or concerned with wholes or with complete systems rather than with the analysis of, treatment of, or dissection into parts
Nothing in the definition of the word itself implies "new age".
An holistic approach to anything, which might include business management as well as health treatments, is NOT "new age", deceptive, or evil because the word is used.
However, Merriam Webster goes on to provide these common usage examples, which do reveal something of the origin of the word, complete with it's "new age" implications....
-holistic medicine attempts to treat both the mind and body -holistic ecology views humans and the environment as a single system-
My point is simply that ALTERNATIVES to the "traditional" and/or "western" approach to the practice of medicine are not evil or inferior simply because someone labels them "alternative" or "holistic".
"Alternative" simply means alternative, another choice, which in many cases, can be shown to be the superior position scientifically, ethically, and morally to the accepted norm, i.e. ESPECIALLY when it comes to the practice of traditional modern medicine with it's over reliance on drugs and surgery.
omots
omots,
An old saying: Birds of a feather flock together. When followers of specific practices link themselves with the New Age, Holistic, Alternative Health medical movement, you can assume they know what they are doing.
Many things listed as New Age are entry points into the New Age movement. This works on the principle that individuals will trust those who they think believe as they do. Again, go to the Whole Again website I referred to earlier. Once someone accepts what seemingly is an innocent practice, they will come into contact with literature and other media sources on the topic. Along with that information will be other ads, articles, videos, practices, businesses, individuals who are deeper into the NA movement.
So, you go into a health food store for some vitamins or organic products. Nothing about that is a problem. However, if you check out the literature rack there will be magazines flyers, advertisements etc. with more open NA promotions. Unless someone is very familiar with NA values etc., they would never recognize how they are being drawn in.
There are so many entry points that it is impossible to keep track of all of them which is why I so often tell others to check out Whole Again. The website is based on the two editions of the book which lists 3,000 organizations in the second edition, and even then it doesn't list all of the entry points.
Dorothy
OMOTS,
I'm referring to what Constance herself wrote. She referred to it as a new age buzzword when "Hidden Dangers" came out. Have you read it? You participate in her blog and you don't know what she wrote.
That buzzword, and others like it, have now been around so long that no one has any idea where those words came from. I guess you disagree with Constance as well, then. Which is fine. But, you are defending a word that Benjamin Creme would think is a positive word. If you know who he is, you know, the Maitreya guy promoter.
I always thought you knew much about the New Age Movement, but I'm wondering if you are confused on some important points. Go read Constance's book again as a refresher.
It just goes to show that the New Age Movement has been extremely successful in integrating their lingo with the common language. I once thought the song "Imagine" was a nice song, until I realized what the lyrics were saying.
Another song even worse than that is the song "Testify to Love." It's a fantastic song to listen to, but blatantly new age. Winnona Judd sang it on an episode of "Touched by an Angel" and was recently made popular by a group called Avalon. Fantastic vocals! But, a new age message to it.
Oh, I forgot. The "New Age" movement is defined by what Constance, Dorothy, and BC David say it is, or is not.
Imagine that.
omots
New Age Crystal Cathedral in bankruptcy. Too much pride?
http://philanthropy.com/blogs/philanthropytoday/california-megachurch-files-for-bankruptcy/27872?sid=&utm_source=&utm_medium=en
http://tinyurl.com/255cwje
Dorothy
Dorothy 6:39,
Thanks for that enlightening bit of information Dorothy. I’ll be sure to wear my spiritual armor next time I’m in the natural food section of the local supermarket.
Meanwhile, the sheeple line up to be irradiated at the local airport, which, if you think about it, can’t really be any more harmful than a steady diet of GM and hormone laden foods. And besides, the human body was designed to become a drug depository for big pharma’s chemical experiments anyway. So go ahead, get that flu shot.
Yes my fellow lab rats, do whatever the government tells you to do, since they obviously have our best interest in mind. Let all those natural alternatives sit on the shelf unused because they’re obviously an “entry point” into the occult. After all, so many “natural” products are packaged and/or marketed or used by those evil “greens”, or placed on the shelf next to some blatant “new age” materials, someone might easily mistake one’s use of herbals as a patent acceptance of the transcendence of humanity.
omots
omots,
I'm glad you're realizing that Dorothy, Constance and BC are the infallible voices of all truth. At least they think they are.
Can you say "nutjobs"?
Please check out this Video from Roger Oakland which speaks powerfully about the present Apostasy of the Evangelical Church, proving why it is apostate and where its roots lie. Well worth listening to.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2354082808894087473#
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Contradictory Hate
https://dailykos.com/stories/2132397/
Around after 9/11/2001 and on, on AOL Messageboards, a certain AOL user posted obsessively against Jews.
[First username was CryToHvn, then used various others to spam, one was LetsReadAll].
She quoted a lot of pseudo material written by infamous Holocaust denier (completely denied it at least since 1972) Issa Nakhleh who worked with neo Nazis for decades [she appeared from ME, linked to his promoters, group].
She repeated, constantly 911 conspiracy theories.
When she repeated tropes used by Nazis, blatant ignorant about Judaism and recycling misconception, as she was being proven wrong, she never debated, she just went to another trope. And again. Next round. On a daily basis.
For example, she repeated every other day the words 'Kol Nidrei,' as if it's something "bad." (The prayer, by the way, that Jews state between God and themselves, it is not connected to between fellow men issues). When she was proven wrong, she was already 'at' the next canard. (The same goes to ignorance and malicious based misinterpreting some phrase in Talmud).
One day she pretended to be a "concerned Christian" avenging the blood of Jesus and blaming "da Jooz", the other day, the complete contradiction, promoting the anti-Semite's beloved Khazar myth about some part of some of Ashkenazi Jews.
[...]
A typical post by her went also something like this:
'Jews don't belong here ... they should all go to Palestine... oh, wait, they can't go there either. No place for them. They don't belong anywhere. LOL.'
[...]
After spamming for months, taunting a Holocaust survivor and hurting any Jews, denying there was a Holocaust, she posted against a Holocaust survivor under username Hafar10.... [and digits which I removed to conceal identify] (along the lines):
"Dr. Mengele, paging Hafar, paging Hafar to barrack 10.."
Just to taunt the poor guy.'
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