ERIC JON PHELPS AND HIS BOOK, VATICAN ASSASSINS -- IT CALLS FOR MASS EXTERMINATIONS!
What you are about read will hopefully shock you as much as it has shocked me. One of our readers did an internet search to see where Eric Jon Phelps book was landing. He was speaking in Israel -- that in and of itself was a shocker because if anybody would bother to read his book carefully in his own words, they would see that the very creation of Israel and its 6 Day War Victory were all machinations of the Jesuits, per Phelps. I was, however, unprepared for how very evil was the company of those using this Phelps (sometimes referred to in Luciferic circles) as Felps book. One of the very darkest sides of the New Age Movement is the Crowleyites and the Church of Process of the Final Judgment. Scientology devotees helped form that "church" and the church had 3 divisions: The Luciferians, the Jehovahists, and the Satanists. Phelps material turned up well synthesized and highly praised on the most evil site, I have ever viewed. Because the New Agers consistently play a successful game of "Now you see us, now you don't" in addition to the game I told you about of "watch the fundamentalists run", I have taken the pains to save the entire site to an Adobe Acrobat 7.0 file. This is what you call a pdf file.
This is the Eric Jon Phelps excerpt from the Lucifera book of that cult:
This is an accurate summary of Phelps work and if you go to that site, it is on page 34 of some of the strangest material you will hopefully ever view:
This is a 700 page richly illustrated title that adds to Malachi Martin’s accusations of Satanic ritualism in the Vatican, the accusations of the Vatican’s role in the Illuminati, assassinations, Usury and collaboration with the world’s most evil Capitalist cultists. Adam Weishaupt, for example, the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati was brought up by Jesuits and was also a Freemason. Phelps argues that the Vatican is behind a long history of assassination and the mystery cultism of secret societies, that would put the CIA narco-terrorists to shame. The Vatican, no matter how small the land that it takes up, is a ‘country’ with its own laws, its own police force and its own military intelligence through its secret societies. This is the Devil’s Army. And all these things, these Aryan religious hypocrites and their puppets do in the name of a Jewish Communist. Felps alleges that under the banner of the Cross of the Knights of Malta, the Vatican has its own Masonic style terrorist organisation. It is this Cross that according to Masonic author Byrne’s street maps of Paris, shows up in the street plans of Paris and in other the Templar cities, and the points of the Cross are places of importance to the cultists and tunnelers. The Vatican Mafia have real power among the Usuryists and Illuminated Masters of the world, and they are simply another corrupt MI6, CIA or Mossad, but in the name of Yeshiva, a Jewish Communist. It is also possible that the Satanists of the Vatican have access to Light technology. It must be made clear that these Satanists have absolutely nothing to do with Yeshiva or with the Communism and anti-propertyism of Yeshiva; on the contrary, these demons are hard core Usuryists and hypocrites, and they must be subjected to the same global Holocaust that their Nazi allies attempted to carry out against the Communists and Jews. The Revolution will not end until the last priest sheds blood from his neck and this is what must occur to all Usuryist collaborators and this is the Templar's method
http://www.luciferia.tv/2seal.htm (34 of 117)4/27/2005 9:18:33 AM
Did you read that carefully? He is calling for a global holocaust against Catholics! And if we are publicly praising that book, how much would that advance the obvious global war against fundamentalism -- remember one of Javier Solana's original Barcelona Conference objectives was to "battle religious fundamentalism, worldwide." Just as Jim Jones was a hard core New Ager, as soon as his kool-aid party took place, the New Agers sought to re-Christen him as a "fundamentalist." He was a fundamentalist, alright! A fundamentalist New Ager!
I had angry letters about my stance on Phelps yesterday. I also had encouraging letters. If you go look at the site, make sure your children are not present and please pray for divine protection before you do. This is easily one of the most diabolical things I have ever seen.
It is frightening how many good Christians started to be sucked into this game. I pray that the Restrainer will let them go no further! By the way, Phelps' book uses certain Eustace Mullins' books as sources. Mullins' book THE WORLD ORDER concludes by saying that the makers of the world order will be vanquished and the people will go on to build a new golden age. Mullins was referring in that book to the Jews. An amazing number of people bought into this because the thought the book was a manifesto against a New World Order rather than a recipe for the very ugliest of ones. Jews, Christians, and Moslems are targets of the New Age schemers. Mullins primarily targeted Jews in his THE WORLD ORDER. Phelps primary targets Catholics in his VATICAN ASSASSINS.
Folks, that's New Age Movement in just two more of its ugly forms. Lets not buy into those lies. I will be writing more on this later and in the meantime will appreciate your comments.
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
Wednesday, April 27, 2005
136 comments:
Phelps is not targeting Christians, he is targeting the Jesuits. A big difference. Never, ever trust an individual who has been, or still is a member of a secret society of any kind. The Jesuits are the king of the hill and masters of the universe when it comes to secret cabals. The freemasons, the illuminati, and the Nazis have found inspiration in that order's rigid control of its members and the merciless way with which they deal with perceived enemies. I can certainly understand how the intensity of Phelps' writing - his sometimes angry style - would cause an ignorant person to increase their own hatred and add fuel to a campaign of bigotry. Conspiratorial books have always had this effect.
Remember that the Bible has also been used to incite violence and murder - more than any other book in history.
If only 10% of his reasearch turns out to be historically correct, then the "Society of Jesus" is a very wicked scourge and should have stayed banished in 1773 when Pope Clement XIV dissolved it for the first time. In the Eighteenth century, just before the disbanding, the Jesuits had been causing strife and intrigue from as far as China to Russia and were expelled at every turn until the Pope finally had enough: 1715, an Italian Jesuit missionary, Castiglione, arrives in China; 1716, the Chinese abolish Christian teachings; Jesuits expelled from Russia, 1719; in Portugal the Inquisition has its powers curtailed by the government, 1751; expulsion of Jesuits from Portugal, 1759; in 1767 Spain, Parma and the Two Sicilies expel the Jesuits; 1772, Inquisition abolished in France; 1773, Pope Clement XIV dissolves the Jesuit Order. (source: The Timetables of History, Bernard Grun, p. 326-358).
Those dates - and the short descriptions that accompany them - don't give you the full extent of why these things took place, but I'm sure Phelps covers it in his book. Haven't read it yet. I am reading another one instead - before I tackle Phelps - because I figure I will get a more level-headed perspective as it is touted as the most significant scholarly work spanning the whole 500 years of their history: Power and Secret of the Jesuits. It's very good so far and I can see why it is recommended highly. Succinct and to the point, covering both angles - the supporters and detractors - with a great style and superb prose. I managed to get a first edition too, still in good shape for being 75 years old!
One person we both respect has spoken highly of Phelps:
Chamish - The Vatican's
Plot Against Israel
...allow me to expand on the book I completed reading yesterday. It is called Vatican Assassins and the author is Eric Jon Phelps. One may read excerpts by visiting www.vaticanassassins.org. This was no ordinary reading experience, the manuscript I received spiral bound is 750 pages in length. The first 600 pages attempt, mostly successfully, to prove that the Jesuits were formed in reaction to the Protestant Reformation and their goal is to return the planet to the good old days when one pope held the monopoly on world religion. Utilizing any evil means available, their plan is to eliminate all the competition be they Jews, Muslims of Christians who don't recognize the Vatican as their capital.
It is their war on the Jews which will most interest my readers and from here on, we will concentrate on that one aspect of a most complicated history.
I will start with the book's claim that Jesuit control of Great Britain was the real force behind Zionism and the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel. I have no problem with this thesis since the entire Middle East as it exists today, was created by the British during and after the first World War. If the British created Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon etc., one can be very certain they created modern Israel as well.
The most disturbing charge is that, to populate the new Israel, the Jesuits stirred up the pogroms and Holocaust of Europe to drive Jews to their safe haven in the Middle East. On page 548 we read:
"Hitler, now in power, patterned his SS after the Jesuit Order. He used Roman Catholic Bavarian Himmler with his Jesuit uncle to carry out the plan. Hitler declares:
'I have learnt most of all from the Jesuit Order. A good part of that organization I have transported direct to my own party. I will tell you a secret, I am founding an Order. In Himmler I see our Ignatius de Loyola.'
"Walter Shellenberg, Chief of the Nazi Sicherheitsdienst (SD) reveals:
' The SS had been organized by Himmler according to the principles of the Jesuit Order. The rules of service and spiritual exercises prescribed by Ignatius de Loyola constituted a model which Hitler strove carefully to copy.'
" Edmund Paris then asks this most penetrating question concerning Hitler:
' Was it not his uncle, the Jesuit father, who had been promoted to a high-ranking officer of the SS? And was not the latter the very eye and arm of Halke von Ledochowski, General of the Order? Who then was sending so many million deportees to death? Was it Heinrich Himmler or his uncle, the Jesuit canon?'"
The book details the betrayal of Israel's leadership during the Holocaust, recalling that Rudolph Kastner, "then one of Israel's most honored leaders, was a traitor who had cooperated with the Nazi leaders of Germany including Adolph Eichmann to deport Jews from Hungary." I don't dispute this claim and anyone who does should read Ben Hecht's, Perfidy or The Transfer Agreement by Edwin Black. It is the conclusion drawn from this treason, on page 584, which is far more troublesome:
"Ah, dear truth seeker, Zionist Israel is a creation of the Jesuit Order. Its purpose is to secure Jerusalem for the Jesuits "infallible" Pope, that he may receive worldwide worship from Solomon's rebuilt Temple. If the Masonic Zionists betrayed their own Jewish race into Pius XII's concentration camps overseen by the Jesuit Order, would they not betray the nation of Israel by giving Jerusalem to the Pope in preparation for the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple?
"...Therefore we are living under the preeminence of a Gentile Jesuit conspiracy. It employs notorious Masonic Jews and Gentiles as their agents. This furthers the deception of an international Jewish conspiracy oppressing the nations. Using this lie, the Jesuit General in creating global, anti-Jewish fury again. This fury will culminate in the last mad attempt to invade Israel and destroy the physical descendants of Jacob."
And who is leading the invasion? We learn that Bill Clinton was the student president of the Jesuit's Georgetown University and, for a time, expressed the desire of becoming a Jesuit priest. In those days, Clinton was sent to England on a Rhodes scholarship, with all that that implies, and at an anti-American demonstration met Jesuit Friar Richard McSorely, who later headed Georgetown's Center For Peace Studies. On page 672, we get a haunting hint at Clinton's later role in Israel's destruction, as well as those of Norway and France:
"McSorley then went to France and Scandinavia to meet peace people. Stepping off the train right behind him in Oslo, Norway was Bill Clinton."
And if a Clinton Democrat fails to ignite the flames that will engulf Israel, the Jesuits, "will use the Republican Party to bring a Jesuit-controlled, Jew-hating fascist dictator to power, 'For the greater glory of the god who sits in St. Peter's chair.'"
That's Eric Jon Phelps explanation why Israel's political leaders, especially those of the Labor Party, are running between, Chirac, King Carlos and the Vatican to secure a "peace" treaty with the PLO. I can only advise my readers not to dismiss the possibility that he got it right.
Terry, I suggest strongly that you drop everything else and read Phelps' book. "Evil" is a distinct understatement. You and I both know enough about Helena Petrovna Blatvatsky to know that no good is coming from the "illuminated" NOT source. Phelps is targeting Christians, Jews, and Moslems alike -- he clearly is calling for a bloodbath of Catholics. Those in turn reading him and acting on his suggestions will be used as the rationale to shut us all down -- remember the game plan -- "battle religious fundamentalism -- worldwide." As far as Barry Chamish goes, I am surprised at him on this one, because the book clearly is an attack on the very existence of the State of Israel. I rather suspect that Barry did not fully read the book either. In this busy society, we are all guilty of not reading closely from time to time, or reading the selective parts appealing to our personal biases. The Scriptures clearly say, "Neither to the right hand nor to the left, but strictly in the paths of the Lord." I'm sorry to disagree with you on this one Terry because I do respect your work; however, Eric Jon Phelp's book is BAD by any definition. Our Lord himself said, I believe it is found in John 16, "I have written these things that ye not be offended, they will put you out of the synagogues [churches], yea the time is coming when men will kill you and think they do God service."
There was a time when I was on the lecture circuit and discovered a branch of Christianity called "The Manifest Sons of God." They were calling for a cleansing action against the world, starting with the House of the Lord, with all those who would not accept their new revelation. Their new revelation? "We are gods and we are the generation that will overcome the bonds of death." Then one prominently proclaiming their line, Earl Paulk of Atlanta told his audience, "you know if God tells you to kill somebody, it isn't murder." I strongly told my audience, "if 'God' told you to kill somebody, most likely, it wasn't God!"
Phelps' book is more than bad -- it is clearly beyond the pale!
Well, Terry, I just saw another whopper in Phelps' book. He quotes one "Emanuel Josephson" blaming the Protocos of Zion's propagation on Jesuits. I documented in my second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION, as did James Webb in his THE OCCULT ESTABLISHMENT that the distribution source of the so-called Protocols of Zion was Yuliana Glinka, sometimes called Justine Glinka, a leading Parisian Blavatsky disciple.
Another example: Barbara Marx Hubbard, a major New Ager, wrote in her book Revelation that whatever she was channeling told her: "Your will and God's will are one. Whatever you destroy, you will destroy in God's name."
Chamish makes the same mistake that a lot of people do, and boy do the Conspiracy writers make the most of it. People need to learn that the enemy of their enemy is not always their friend. In other words, if I dislike Organization X and Writer Y dislikes Organization X, this doesn't mean Writer Y and I have bonds in common.
From the early days of the New Age movement, Catholics and Jews have been major targets because they are organized and can't easily be co-opted by a system that wants to change things. The New Age establishment was in worldwide operation as the Nazis were coming to power. Many New Age promoting writers were selling the same agenda as the Nazis, and based on my search of the name, Rene Fulop-Miller, author of the book named by Terry, and other books written by him, he was of that ilk. The Oh Wow gossip factor sells books such as that by Phelps, not a desire to learn about a subject. To show how neutral you are Terry, why don't you suggest a book written by Jesuits themselves on their history.
Terry,
I don't understand. If Pope Clement XIV dissolved the Jesuit Order in 1773, how is it that there are Jesuits now?
Paula Schertz
Anonymous said ...
To show how neutral you are Terry, why don't you suggest a book written by Jesuits themselves on their history.
I just might do that. In the meantime, the volume I have will do just fine for now. The author has taken it upon himself to digest the hundreds of volumes the Jesuits have written about themselves. Rather large bibliography, though. As soon as I get the time to learn Latin, Spanish, German and Old French; manage to get the permission of the Jesuits to allow me private time to look at the rare volumes myself, I might just check into those sources.
Cumbey,
Don't get me wrong, I see your point. I don't particularly like the way your going about voicing it, nonetheless ... I get it.
The site that props up the work of Eric Phelps also states that both he and Malachi Martin are to be seen as two sides of the same coin. Both writers, apparently, have giving them ammunition for the call to arms against the clergy and the "Usuryists (Jews)."
About Barry: he is above all a realist. Not in the philosophical sense; he has an ease about him to follow the evidence wherever it may lead. Two plus two always equals four in his book, and no one on the planet is going to trick him into thinking its five.
The Jesuits have been under the radar, officially, far too long. Blowing the door wide open on the order is long overdue. Much of the power that was attributed to Jews by the bigots of centuries past, was actually manifested by the Jesuits themselves.
The danger of the new age should never be underestimated, though, I agree 110%. And it may even be far more organized than is apparent from our vantage point. I have come to believe that the power pulling the strings behind the whole network is Freemasonry. The new agers admit the spiritual lineage, but it is more concrete than that. Also, the Jesuits and Masons have been arch enemies from the beginning. Infiltration by both sides has proved a phenomenal success. Some have concluded that both secret societies are so corrupted by one other, there may not be any practical difference between them anymore.
There is a big difference between Malachi Martin's boook and the one by Phelps. Phelps attributes everything bad that happened to the Jesuits, up to but not including the recent tsunami. Martin wrote positive things about the Jesuits first 400 years, and criticized them only for the changes that took place in recent years.
Also, Terry, why do you so willingly take the negative side of the Jesuits before you ever get around to the kind of research you say you want to do?
Phelps also plays the same kind of word game Icke plays. Icke says that he only writes about the bad Jews and not all Jews, but then goes about finding something bad about all Jews, never mentioning positive things. Phelps does the same about Catholics.
anonymous said:
Also, Terry, why do you so willingly take the negative side of the Jesuits before you ever get around to the kind of research you say you want to do?
You have a point. Right now the limited knowledge I have gathered from biased sources leads me to have a negative outlook on them. I may have bought a few lies in forming my opinion, that's why I wanted to seek out a balanced book on the subject.
I'll be honest, Fulop-Miller is subtlely biased toward the Jesuits. He tries to conceal it but it stills lingers at the surface. That's even better, in my opinion. I've only read the bad, so I'm trying to correct it. At least I'm on to his game!
The intrigue and deceit still comes through. You can't deny history no matter what. It's the exagerations of the opponents that Fulop-Miller tackles the best. I'm not far in the book, but a few of my earlier beliefs have taken different turn; And some have been strengthened. The nature of Loyolas "Spiritual Excercise" being one of them. Much more occult than I had ever imagined.
Paula said:
I don't understand. If Pope Clement XIV dissolved the Jesuit Order in 1773, how is it that there are Jesuits now?
The Jesuits After the Restoration (1814-1912)
Terry, since you seem to have taken to this fellow Phelps, perhaps you can help. Do you have a biography on him somewhere? Something giving his credentials, his religion, his organizational connections?
Thanks for the informative article on Vatican Assassins, Brother Eric Phelps' magnum opus, so to speak. I managed to scare up a copy for a sneak look. As a devout Papist, I'm not sure whether to pray, shout libel, or laugh out loud, when I read this parade of nonsense. Like when confronting a train wreck, one is curiously drawn to this compendium of lunacy, so I haven't gotten all that far into Assassins. Nevertheless, the first few pages merit comment, in and of themselves.
PRIVATE LETTER.
Here, Phelps unburdens himself to his readers as to his motivations for writing VA, which I originally thought was to show off the font capabilities of his new word processor. I was wrong. Apparently, Phelps is moved by some sort of desire to defend the King James Bible, which he erroneously views as the "foundation" of Western Civilization. It would probably pain Brother Eric to know that the saving of Western Civilization (its art, and learned writings), is generally credited to Saint Benedict, a Papist like me, who lived a thousand years before the KJV came out, and to Irish Catholic monks, who saved and transcribed innumerable classics, also hundreds of years before the KJV.
Phelps also claims personal damage over the assasination of Abraham Lincoln, whom he likewise mistakes as the savior of the American Republic. Now, of course, I'm certain that History will be surprised to know that James Wilkes Booth was a JESUIT, but that's really besides the point. Lincoln, by using armed force to deny the right of cessation (a right RESERVED by several states, including NORTHERN states, when they ratified the Constitution), actually destroyed the Old Republic, and destroyed the basis of federalism on which it was based. By the by, federalism, which stresses the devolution of power to the lowest competent authority, is, as fate would have it, merely the political _expression of the Catholic doctrine of subsidiarity, but don't tell Eric.
Finally, of course, we come to the JFK assasination. Now, for certain, most of America was smitten by the death in Dallas, but I will look forward to seeing if Phelps can, in any way, make the case for a Jesuit connection. If so, he really ought to meet Oliver Stone!
DUST COVER AND QUOTES
Next came a set of quotes which I take it are offered as a means of granting Phelps' theses some sort of purchase. And what theses these are!
The Jesuits serve Satan? Wow! I knew they had succumbed to a fair amount if heterodoxy since the 60's, but I'm not aware that they had actually flipped over to the Dark Side! They have installed dictators "loyal to Rome"? Like who? Pol Pot? Fidel Castro? Whomever is running North Korea now? Baby Doc Duvalier? Mao? C'mon! With the exception of the devout Franco, there hasn't been a notable "dictator" who has exhibited ANY loyalty to the Catholic Church in centuries! And Franco himself did nothing to establish a theocracy.
The Jebbies teamed up with the Masons?!?!? What was Phelps doing in San Francisco, BESIDES strumming his guitar? He had to be smoking SOMETHING. Freemasonry has generally been understood to be opposed to, and formally condemned by, the Catholic Church since, for all intents and purposes, the LAST Millenium.
Joe Stalin a CATHOLIC?!?!?! Madre di Dio! This man hallucinates while he types! Stalin, like Hitler, was a baptized Catholic, and even did a little time in a seminary (NOT a Jesuit one, either), but, like der Fuhrer, was a public FOE of Holy Mother Church for most of his adult life, and a professional atheist to boot! Hitler, for his part, is said to have plotted the murder of Pius XI, owing to the moral suasion that the Pope commanded in condemning Nazism. I think Brother Eric is more likely to drop a dime in a Catholic collection basket than EITHER of these two darlings!
Mussolini DID sign a Concordat with the Vatican, returning no vast tracts to the Papacy, but rather the less than 200 acre Vatican City, a miniscule portion of the former Papal States. Hence, while the Pope does "reign" over the Vatican City, his "kingdom" is smaller than most golf courses! Your point, Eric? Let's put it this way. Any Baptist school superintendant probably has control over more real estate than the Pope! Certainly, the greenskeeper at most any municipal golf course does!
I'll look forward to any sort of proof that the Jesuits cooperated with Hitler in the Holocaust, other than Phelps' hallucinatory ramblings. Truth be told, there were any number of Catholics who were MARTYRED by the Third Reich, including Jesuit priests.
Now, we can all have our own takes on the Cold War, but it's a little late for Brother Eric to treat the Era he lived through as a HOAX. The Cold War actually did happen, men like JFK were DEVOUT anti-communists, and, let's remember, it was a Catholic Pope (John Paul II), who is creditted with having done much to WIN THE DARNED THING! And, lest we forget, the "enemy" was the Soviet Union" an officially athiestic regime, which harassed all Christian denominations for most of its 72 year hegemony. So, what was so bad about being against the Commies?
Next, we segue into the alleged Vatican Army, known to most of us as the United States Armed Forces. Forgive me, but I don't recall a single Pope in the last 50 years cheering on a single war fought by the US, do you? That being the case, just how are we to feature that this US Army WORKS FOR the Pope? That San Francisco era in Phelps' life gets more interesting all the time!
II Thessalonians 2:3-10 makes for a nice reprieve from the hallucinatory ravings, but, sadly, it only lasts one page. Soon, we're back to the loonies!
Leading the parade is, apparently, Henry Halley, Baptist Minister ca. 1927. Henry, it seems, spouts the familiar babble about the Church being the Great Harlot of the Apocolypse (the REAL name for John's Bible-ending Book). He takes an arguably valid point, that several churchmen (of ALL stripes, Henry) have fallen prey to the desire for worldly power, and runs amok. It is true, and irrelevant, that the Vatican has some big, cool buildings. The Temple of Solomon was no mud hut, either. However, Henry obviously had never seen the extraordinarily humble private living quarters accorded the Supreme Pontiff. While we're discussing pretensions of Kingship, let's keep in mind that the Feast of Jesus Christ the Sovereign King has been a staple on the CATHOLIC liturgical calendar for centuries! Do the Baptists have such a day, acknowledging Christ's sovereignity, over the powers of Man? Didn't think so.
Henry then engages in some fuzzy math, attributing to the Inquisition the murder of "unnumberred millions". Hmmm. At the peak of the Inquisition, there simply were not "unnumberred millions" of people living in all of Europe! To take Hank at his word, the Jesuits almost completely de-populated Christendom! Anybody learn anything LIKE that in their high school world history classes? Actually, the number of fatalities associated with the Inquisition were of a scale much closer to the PROTESTANT administerred witch hunts of 17th Century America, but let's not let the facts ruin a good story, I suppose...
True it may be that Pagan Rome dominated the then known world, and true enough it is that Papal Rome gave the World Western Civilization, from whence even Henry's Baptist communion springs. You're welcome, Mr. Halley!
Next, we have a quote attributed to Pope Nicholas, circa 860, to the King of Bulgaria. It sure sounds bellicose enough, assuming it is authentic. (Of course, it also sounds about like the many such instructions God supposedly gave to the Israelites as they claimed and conquered the Promised Land). It is entirely likely, though, that, to the extent a Catholic Pope was encouraging a Bulgarian King to make war on neighboring areas, the intended "victims" weren't Protestants (not in the year 860 AD), but were more likely to have been early Moslem invaders, whose own zest for jihad ought not require my explanation.
The Nicholas excerpt does touch on another bogey man, the idea of Papal infallibility. Let's get that one straight, once and for all. The Doctrine of Infallibility does not mean, will never mean, and has never meant that a Pope's every utterance is accepted as Gospel by all Catholics, or else. Actually, the faculty is a limitted one, and is applicable ONLY to matters of Faith and Morals, and ONLY when the Pope makes a point of issuing his decree ex cathedra . Such ex cathedra pronouncements are believed to be infallible, but occur far less frequently than a fundamentalist televangelist gets caught with his holy hands in his "ministry's" cookie jar! Indeed, I'd be surprised if the recently deceased John Paul II, who reigned for over a quarter century, and was the third longest reigning Pope, issued more than ten decrees ex cathedra. Get the picture? Pope's aren't DICTATORS. Generally, their Office is used to teach, exhort, and persuade. The notion that they issue weekly ultimatums to all us Catholics, who surreptitiously await his call to overthrow our government, is simply hogwash.
M.F. Cusack then holds forth on the alleged political aspirations of the Church, and its denial that non-believers are "saved". That may be HER take on the matter, but, frankly, when in the last hundred years has a Pope demanded that ANY nation be governed by the Catholic Church? And, as far as the "no salvation" theme goes, I'd observe that that attitude is hardly unique to the Catholic Church. Exactly how many world religions, or Protestant denominations claim something along the lines of "hey, we're not saying we're RIGHT about this Gospel stuff, but we're nice people and our faith is as good as any"? While I'd NEVER suborn violence or force in the evangelization of anyone, is there anything at all objectively suspect about believing that the religion to which one claims to belong is the TRUE religion? Why else would one join? For the fruit punch socials?
And then there is J. Wayne Laurens, 1855. He doesn't discuss Catholic dogma, so, I take it, he neither knows or cares whether Catholic Dogma is true. Be what may, he's convinced that all the priests are after earthly power! So, in the last 150 years, how many priests have even RUN for political office in this country? I recall ONE, Fr. Drinan, a Jesuit, who briefly served in the US House, about 30 years ago. But, since then, the Vatican has orderred the religous to AVOID political involvement! Jeez, Wayne, one Congressman every 150 years doesn't sound like much in the way of vast megalomaniacal ambitions, does it?
On we go to G.B. Nicolini, a rare bird indeed. He was an Italian Protestant! He might very well have been THE Italian Protestant, in certain regions of my homeland. He apparently thought he knew something of Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Society of Jesus (The Jesuits' real name). What G.B. fails to accept is that, on his path to founding the Society, Ignatius, born to NOBILITY in Spain, and a man of strong military credentials, ESCHEWED his wealth and power to found the Society and write his now famous Spiritual Exercises. They are still in print, and, small wonder, contain NONE of the attitudes Nicolini attributes to Ignatius. Ignatius did leave the Jesuits their motto, though, Ad majorem Dei Gloriam! ("For the greater glory of God!") In little words, G.B. is full of tripe!
F. Doza comes next, and, again, IF HE IS ACCURATELY QUOTED, two points remain nonetheless. The Society of Jesus has NEVER espoused lawlessness, whatever this misguided soul may have believed. That's one. Two is, WHO IS F.Doza? A Spanish Jesuit who wrote a book? Was he ever a Superior of the Society? The head of a monastery? In charge of three men and two donkeys? Get the point? He may well have been a maverick, a zealot, and a thug. But what evidence is there that he EVER held any sway in the Society? Is there an F. Doza Day on the Jesuit Calendar? Is this man anything but a footnote, OR AN OUTRIGHT INVENTION OF ERIC PHELPS?
Well, that's all the time we have today, Constance. Tune in next time to see if anything remotely credible gets written after page 12!
Domine nostri Jesus Christe custodiat anima tuam in vitam eternam!
Terry, as long as you are looking for a Jesuit written source, and since you have obviously expressed admiration for Malachi Martin, why don't you avail yourself of his very book on the subject, "The Jesusits." You might also want to pick up "The Spiritual Exercises" by Ignatius Loyola. You will find no form of advocacy of world domination in it. "The exercises" are the central feature of Jesuit priestly formation.
Dude! Is anybody else's head spinning, 'cause mine is! LOL
Okay, I'll admit it. I'm outta my league here. This recent blog and the comments that follow it have taken me on a journey to the new age underground that is, well....SCARY!!
To thetruth - After reading Cumbey and then Booch, I know I'm not at the level of the class acts here either, but isn't it great to read such challenging material. Terry is not to be underestimated based on his website, but he probably isn't working up to his highest intellectual level because he isn't challenged this way very often.
Booch, whoever you are, you are an amazing researcher and writer. I could read your material for many hours straight and never get tired. Thanks for posting the response and do keep coming back.
Well, Constance, I'm through the Dust Cover and Quotes portion of Vatican Assassins, and, as they say, the hits juuust keep on comin'!
The next "authority" quoted by Brother Eric is Ellen G. White, foundress of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Now, it is generally not wise to put too much stock in how the Chairman of Ford describes the year's line of offerings from GM, but Ellen really takes the cake, and inadvertently punctures one of Eric's theses in the process. If memory serves, Eric holds that the Jesuits secretly control the Vatican. Well, Ellie is no fan of "Rome", but her apparent thesis is that "Rome" created the Jesuits to battle the Protestant Reformation. So, for starters, she and Eric don't seem to agree on who works for whom. Ellen of course, lets loose with all manner of accusations about "popery" and the Jesuit designs to combat Protestantism, none of which does she find it necessary to substantiate. At least, Eric offers no point on which Ellen gets down to cases. Basically, this leaves the White excerpt as nothing but frivolous, shrill name-calling about a religious group whose theology, big surprise, she disagrees with. All of which reduces rather quickly to three paragraphs of "hose Jesuits? They're ickie!" Thank you, Ellen, that solves everything!
Next up, we have a page from Jaime Balmes, an alleged Spanish priest and philosopher, who, quite simply avers what Eric and Ellen, and a host of Eric's "authorities" cited above (and shortly to follow) have proven. That is, to quote Balmes, "Men do not despise the Jesuits, but fear them". NO JOKE!! These people were text book paranoids! To read their drivel, there was a Jesuit behind every tree, doing God knows what, to God knows who, for God knows what reason! All in all, I take the Balmes quote as proof positive that, in the mid 19th Century, even a Spanish priest understood that anti-Catholic paranoia was rampant. Now, exactly how that observation enhances Eric's 21st Century redux of the same is anybody's guess, but, there it is!
Batting third is Robert J. Breckenridge, Presbyterian Pastor, ca. 1841. HE'S sure that "The Jesuits direct all the affairs, and shape all the principals of the papal church in the United States..." that "The Society of Jesus is the enemy of man, " and that there is no choice but to extirpate the Jesuits or face "the absolute corruption and degradation of mankind". Wow! And I thought Al Gore invented transparent hysterical hyperbole, after he finished the Internet! Mind you, Crazy Bob offers not a single example of what atrocity or abomination the Jesuits desire (married priests, priestesses, laxity toward homosexual behavior... oops! don't factions of the Presbyterian Church favor all these?) , but he seems darned sure that they're up to no good. Maybe its that Ford/GM thing again.
Up next comes William C. Brownlee, a Calvinist pastor, ca. 1836, who seems to think that the newly revived Society of Jesus were revived to serve popery and monarchies. Now, exactly why a Catholic order of priests should be DISloyal to a Catholic Pope is never made clear by Wild Bill, but he's sure disappointed that the Jesuits he knew (I PRESUME he knew at least one) weren't renegades. Parson Brownlee then offers the observation that the "tyrants of Europe hate us", in apparent reference to the crown heads of the various European nations. Now, I know that " we" (i.e. America) fought two wars with England (headed by a decidedly NON-Catholic King), but had been at peace for 20 years by the time Brownlee wrote. By the by, France backed "us" in the bigger one of these, too. We did have a couple dust-ups with Spain about then, basically over our desire to annex Florida, I think. Hardly evidence of monarchical opposition to republicanism, y'know, fighting to keep a colony. Now when exactly the Hapsburgs did anything bad to the US in the early 19th Century is anybody's guess, or the Italian king, the Czar, (or anybody else in Europe for that matter), but, apparently Wild Bill Brownlee knew something no one else did!
Following up next is Jesse S. Gilbert, Methodist preacher, ca. 1872. He's hot to trot over some priest predicting that America would convert to Catholicism by the turn of the century and, as a result, America would be drug back into "the darkness of the Middle Ages". Odd, I'm sure I would have heard about it if the Jesuits and other Catholic orders had BURNED a bunch of schools and universities, instead of STARTED God knows how many hundreds of same! Is THAT what the Blackrobes were doing up in Canada all those years? Paddling around in their canoes, suppressing the thriving artistic, cultural, and literary communities of the Iroquois nations? Just think of all the Iroquois operas they must have suppressed! Heck, they probably would have had electricity north of the Saint Lawrence, but for those rotten Jesuits!
Next is a quote attributed to an Archbishop Quigley, in 1903, supposedly printed in the Chicago Tribune. He predicted American global hegemony, and, oops again, the passing away of "kings and emperors". Quigley must not have read up on his Wild Bill Brownlee, above, I take it, since he seems pleased with the very destruction of monarchy that Brownlee said we Catholic types were dead set on preserving! Well, at least he DID predict that, when the United States ruled the world, the Catholic church will also do so, or at least Eric SAYS he said that. It is a curious prediction, though, for a Catholic Churchman to be making in a predominately Protestant Chicago in 1903. And, I might note, a pretty dumb way to keep "the great Jesuit conspiracy" hush hush. But, to paraphrase Marc Antony, "Eric SAYS Quigley so stated, and ERIC IS AN HONOURABLE MAN."
To round out the number of 19th Century Protestant vicars who were sure that the Jesuits meant doom for America comes R.W. Thompson, ca. 1894, who, after his stint as Secretary of the Navy, apparently became an expert on the Jesuits, enough to write a book about them, maybe. Oh well, beats re-organizing the sock drawer, I guess. Once again, Thompson cites no cases, nor authority for his grim ramblings, but he's obviously peeved big time to note how cohesive and obedient these Blackrobes are. Offering no "fer instance", he concludes that the Society "are the deadly enemies of civil and religious liberty". Odd, 1894 is hardly pre-history, but I recall absolutely NO accounts of Jesuit lead rebellions against the United States government, no history lessons about their antipathy toward religion, not even the stray toga party! Whatever Thompson CLAIMED to know, and had his boxers in a bunch over, he, and Brother Eric, didn't see fit to itemize in any way. All things considered, R.W. might /should have spent more time on the old sock drawer!
Next, Eric trots out that scion of literacy and intellect, Jeremiah J. Crowley, EX-priest, ca. 1913. What's JJ done? He wrote a letter to Pope Pius X, calling His Holiness "Chief of White Slavers, High Priest of Intrigue", which, I'll grant, is a little more impressive insult than "Fatso" or "Big-Nose", but, nonetheless, evidences more in the way of bitter personal disillusionment than any actual wrongdoing of a great Pope, whose encyclical against Modernism is probably one that most faithful Protestants would LOVE to have their bishops read to them. Crowley's letter accuses His Holiness of opposing "freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, freedom of the press." Now, to be fair, Pius X did NOT believe that Man is truly "free" to do and say what he pleases. On the same token, NO preacher who actually takes the Will of God seriously does, either. Pius wrote eloquently on the palpable difference between true "freedom", i.e. the right to do what one's conscience (presumably well formed) dictates, and "liberty", i.e. the asserted "right" to do what one jolly well pleases, be it lewd, slanderous, murderous, you name it. If JJ thought that the constraints of a rightly formed conscience were beyond a Pope's faculty to comment on, it's probably best he got out of the priest biz! Can you imagine ANY proper preacher telling his flock "listen folks, the Ten Commandments work for me, but who am I to cramp your style?" (NB: If you DO know of such a vicar, let me know where he holds court. I've been looking for HIM since I hit puberty!) Finally, Pius X did have reservations about unbridled democracy, which he noted can devolve all too easily into both the tyranny of the majority, and mob rule. He certainly didn't INVENT these critiques, since they date back to ARISTOTLE! More to the point, there were virtually NO pure "democrats" among our Founding Fathers (not a collection of known Jesuits themselves), all of whom took great pains to install in our Constitution those anti-democratic "Checks and Balances" we all learned about in high school. So, all things considered, JJ Crowley really doesn't qualify as any sort of "star witness" for Brother Eric's "case".
Next we have the 1852 reminiscences of Luigi Desantis, Protestant reformed Pastor, who claims to have had a French "confessor". (Calvinists go to Confession?!?!) Be what may, Luigi claims to have it on good authority that the Jebbies, on one hand, "...justify regicide...", but, in the next paragraph, enjoy the protection of "...sovereigns...". Luigi, you just can't have it both ways, the Jesuits either favor monarchy, or they don't.
At this point Eric interposes "examples" to support Luigi's thesis, such as that Arlen Specter (US Senator from Pennsylvania) is a Jesuit sympathizer! Whoa! Let's breath deeply and try to get our feet somewhere near terra firma. Arleen Specter is a nominal Jew, pro-choice, and definitively NOT a Papist in any way, shape or form. Who's Eric's OTHER exemplar of a Vatican "mole" in the Senate? Brace yourself, Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy!!! Wow! These closet Jebbies work WAY undercover! Oh well, you laugh to keep from crying...
Now, what raving lunatic conspiracy theory would be complete without a Protocols of Zion connection? None, of course. So, next, Eric trots out Emmanuel Josephson, Doctor and Historian, and of course, Federal Reserve maven. What's Mannie's claim? A Jesuit/Communist named Adam Weishaupt, who, Manny claims, FORCED the Vatican to lift the suppression of the Society. Dr. J concludes that the Jesuits back and control all the totalitarian movements worldwide, INCLUDING the COMMUNIST ones! Well, I suppose if the Blackrobes destroyed the collected literature of the Iroquois nation, they can do ANYTHING! Still, it seems odd that they'd get so many of their own KILLED by totalitarian regimes, like Mao's China, Stalin's Russia, Mexico circa 1912, etc. "Camouflage!", I can hear Eric saying.
Up next is a "Protestant Knight of Malta" (a what?) Avro Manhattan, circa 1986, who's got his nose out of joint over Reagan's recognition of Vatican City as a foreign sovereign state. Manhattan (named for the chowder in his head?) likens a papal nuncio (ambassador) to a foreign general, obeying orders of "an aggressive alien state." Rome, I take it. Now, once in a while, it's good to keep in mind that, paranoia notwithstanding, there has never been a day in history when a state of war, or even contention, existed between the United States and the Vatican. And, it is also well to note that, at the height of the Cold War, we STILL exchanged ambassadors with the SOVIET BY GOLLY UNION!!!! Apparently, Manhattan believes that the 30% of Americans who profess the Catholic Faith look to this nuncio for our marching orders, up to and including the overthrow of the American government! Easy there, Avro! In case you haven't noticed, not even the US Council of Catholic Bishops does everything the Pope wants! And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we Catholics (at least the ones who attend Mass regularly) just get through voting more heavily for GW Bush than one of our own, John Kerry? Apparently, we didn't get the nuncio's memo!
Batting Cleanup for Eric's All-Stars is Dave Hunt, Plymouth Brethren Historian, and well known Catholic-baiter. Dave notes that there's about a Billion of us mackerel snappers worldwide, and that a lot of us hold positions of influence, which, Dave concludes sets "us" up to enslave all of "you". Well, if you count Teddy K and John Kerry as two, what on Earth are you thinking, Davie? And why, pray tell, shouldn't we fear the millions of American Protestant fundamentalists getting some sort of secret, seditious wink from Billy Graham? What about when Brittany Spears galvanizes all HER fans? Heck, I'd keep my eye on all those people just waiting for Dr. Phil to give them the word, and...Katie bar the door! You don't suppose that NASCAR is a Jesuit front, do you, Dave? You, know, all those guys, driving so fast could really run rings around our civil authorities, and the first thing you know...
Well, CEC, so far I'm afraid Brother Eric is shooting blanks, so to speak. With "authorities" like he's assembled, who needs enemies? I'll be looking forward to my next trot through Brother Eric's Excellent adventure/Hallucination. Who knows, maybe the Jesuits have the Lindbergh baby!
Pacem in terra!
Booch
Booch, I don't mean to be intrusive, but who are you? What do you do?
Like Cumbey, I'm a Michigan lawyer.
Living in a rural area, I see the following happening regularly. On the side of the road a standing deer sees headlights from my car, stares for a few moments and then runs away.
My guess is that there are more than a few people reading this blog who react like deer rather than responsible human beings. They stare at the information and then run away, thinking they have escaped danger.
My suggestion to you: Pass this information on to others on your email list with whatever comment comes to your mind. One never knows if an acquaintance has the intellectual curiosity to check out the information. My search started after some friends pointed out an article in the Humanist magazine. They knew me for 2-1/2 years prior to that but thought I was too liberal for them to pass anything on that they had come across. I thanked them for finally breaking thru my barrier and my years of research after that. Don't give up on anyone.
First, booch I was just curious that's all. Noting more.
Second,
I greatly appreciate your words anonymous.
Anonymous said...
"My suggestion to you: Pass this information on to others on your email list with whatever comment comes to your mind. One never knows if an acquaintance has the intellectual curiosity to check out the information."
Anywho...
I have been attempting to share this kind of news with my friends and others, explaining it to the best of my ability. Considering that Liberal Land...er I mean Gainesville, Florida (hehe) is a college town, it is run over with Mormons. I'm finishing my undergrad degree from the Univ. of Florida and moved back to S. Florida. But during the last two years I happened upon the New Age movement when I was studying the origins of the Mormon Temple rituals. Then when I researched information on a very old Masonic Lodge next to a church where I used to sing for 3 years in the same town.
Believe it or not, my eye-opening journey REALLY began when I couldn't defend my faith after having been invited to go a friends church, which turned out to be the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That very day happened to be the October General conference where the so called prophet of the LDS Church, the First presidency, and some of "the Seventy" would speak to adherents throughout the whole world in all their languages.
When I listened to them speak I felt violated--I had a crisis of faith. When I say crisis of faith, this only to say the least. Through many sleepless nights, prayers and sheer frustration to God and over the Book of Mormon, I received an answer from whom at that time, had become a foreign God to me. Faith in the Christian God was hangin' on by a thread because I didn't know what was true anymore. I would reluctantly call on the name of Jesus because I felt as though I had been estranged from Him, or that I had betrayed Him. But the answer came to me one day as a literal moment of clarity.
The answer was simple:
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God,a workman who needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH." (II Timothy 2:15)
God showed this to me on a random day at school through a friend when he was talking to me about a totally different subject. God is so wonderful. These simple words that He gave me for an answer brought me peace because I HEARD the truth and it set me free. BUT, I still had a million questions and doubts about the Bible, Jesus, God, his existence, other religions, philosophies, and other worldviews that needed answering. Don't get me wrong, my heart felt great after getting this answer, but my mind needed stimulating--it was time to do some major religious research. So, for that time on, I just locked that verse and eventually others like it in my heart (kind of just in case the Jesus thing is true) I also realized that the verse gave me the perfect excuse to hold both the Bible and Mormon claims up to what amount of scrutiny I could muster at the time. I used to believe that Christianity required blind faith, until the Apostle Paul said, "For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins." I don't wanna delve to deeply into this, but I realized how much this forever ties the reality of human depravity and the foundational, pivotal Christian claim that Christ rose from the dead. I didn't really realize it then, but this truth got me through to where I am today.
As for the research...
Like a lot of people do now-a-days, I did web search (LOL, why not? eh :)) I typed in Mormons and one of the first things I came across I think was CARM (Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry). The second was Contender Ministries. I did research there for one complete year and talked to the missionaries and I was so close to joining the LDS Church because of what it promised. I went to church services, seminary (seminary for them is a weekly, life time thing built into the church-going life--their zeal and study habits I found to be extremely intimidating). I also read a lot of the Journal of Discourses which sat in the Singles Ward library for years mostly untouched. It was a goldmine so to speak of incriminating evidence. I did not glory in this, however as I became extremely paranoid about even looking at it because even though it is LDS approved, it is potentially "anti-mormon material". Also, Short of Billy Graham's biography, Mormons don't touch Christian extra-biblical literature.
Anyway, later down the line I finally concluded, much to the missionaries and my friend's dismay, that I did not agree with their church. I further concluded, but kept to myself, that I would have to commit intellectual suicide to put my faith in Joseph Smith's claims about God and the late claims that came from what they call the "continuing prophecy." Why? Because it does not conform to reality within the very claims on which the LDS church stands or falls--that being the Book of Mormon and the "burning in the bosom" prayer over that book. Most importantly, LDS teachings are just flat-out false and unbiblical!
After I made my decision I kept reading my bible more AND studying the Mormons--more than I did in the beginning. In the midst of this further study, I learned that the Mormon founder and prophet Joseph Smith was a 3rd Degree Mason. At first, the news didn't phase me because I thought it was just a fancy club for stone masons (LOL). But something within me said to go deeper. I did some searching on freemasonry and Joseph Smith and a mountain of information was basically dropped in my lap. This is where my cross over from Mormon studies shifted to the New Age Movement. In the summer of 2004 I had room for an elective credit so I took a course called Cults and New Religious Movements. A lot of allusions were made to the Mormon Prophet anachronistically from the likes of Jim Jones, David Karesh, and Heaven's Gate leader David Applewhite, and also former Japanese terrorist group leader of Aum Shinrikyo, Asahara Shoko. The allusions were along the lines of lucid similarities in how the religious leaders of these groups RECEIVED their prophecies and teachings, the way they CONTROLLED their followers, which was through either a pre or post-apocalyptic worldview. The former consisting of a kind of warring sect mindset against the forces of evil, and the latter being the"other-worldly" heaven on earth group effervescence. I just call the latter, kingdom now cults and Roman Catholicism's teachings aren't too far off. No offense to Catholics. I'm just talking about the religious system not the people.
To make a long story short, I did another web search during the time I took this cults and NRM's class and came across Terry's website. No offense to Terry, but at first glimpse, I didn't take it seriously until I read the testimony of a former Mason who was to become a... I think it was called a 33rd Degree Mason. It was night time and I haven't been scared of anything at night since I was a kid, but THIS scared the crap out of me. I did not know people really practiced that kind of stuff. UFO and bible usurping cults I can handle, but I nothing could prepare me for the Masons.
So basically, here I am now. I have a deep interest in the defense of the Christian faith against cults and anti-christian movements. I'm an amateur, but I feel that God has put it on my heart to pursue becoming a defender of the faith and share with anybody what is REALLY going on with what talents and abilities that I currently possess. And if I don't know squat, I pray that God teach me to be humble enough to admit my ignorance and refer an inquirer to a/the leading authority(ies) on the matter.
I've come a long way, but I've got a lot to learn. But I'm doing my best with what time we have by the Grace of God.
Now, why I shared all that, I can't tell you. But ya'll got my two cents.
-the truth dude
For the truth dude:
Well, Dude, you've certainly coverred a LOT of ground pretty fast, for an amateur! Good work. Also, keep in mind that no religious faith commands your adherence, as St. Paul said, and Christ hinted, unless it is TRUE. It was the apple in the Garden that tempted Eve because it was APPEALING. If you remain committed to, and open to THE TRUTH, you'll be fine. Best of luck to you.
Booch
PS for Terry:
What difference do you claim exists between Christians and Catholics?
To thetruth: Although we are way off topic in this blog thread, I want to call your attention to a website set up by a former professor of mathematics at the US Navel Academy. http://www.serve.com/herrmann/main.html. It is a very technical website, but sections which will resonate with you. http://www.serve.com/herrmann/main.html
This website is the closest I have ever come to see the interaction between the world around us and the dangerous world of the occult. If somehow you are not able to access the website, let me know and I will another way.
Why the occult numerology? Why was the inquisition office reinstituted under jp2 & headed by cardinal RATZ the new poop? And who is the holder of fatima hoax?
I understand you want to make nice with catholic cult, however Jesus has described the whore of babylon succinctly. Scarlet and purple and all the whores paganism, holy father blasphemy will be rewarded and GOD will inspire the beast to destroy the whore. You're protecting her.
Benedict is carrying the same twisted cross as one worlder jp2 and carrying on the same message for "unity" the "come together" THE one world religion. Constance, you're blinded on the RCCult issue.
to anonymous:
I'm not sure why you believe that numerology was involved in the election of Benedict XVI, simply because Eric Jon Phelps says so. For that matter, try counting the letters in Eric Jon Phelps!
Now, as a lifelong Catholic, I get a little tired of this babble about the Whore, especially since it was this "Whore" that CANONIZED the Bible certain nitwits try to mangle into condemning Holy Mother Church.
As far as The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is concerned, I hope anon has noticed that, since the reinstitution of the office, there's been a distinct absence of burnings at the stake!
I'd be the first one to admit that there ARE doctrinal differences between Catholicism and the various stripes of Protestantism, which, by the way, ought to be seriously and openly discussed, NOT swept under the rug, and NOT assumed to represent devious cultic phenomena, simply because certain folk can't quite get the gist of "You are Rock, and on this Rock I will build my Church..."
I'm pretty sure that the likes of Bro Eric would prefer Cristian interfaith dialogue to devolve into stupid name-calling and paranoia. So, why accomodate him?
BTW, I do blog: Maranatha Watch.
Seems Zypher might have it right. The first thing to look at is Cumbeys Fruit. It really dosen't look like the fruit of one who calls upon the name of the Lord. Take a look at this, and read from the bottom up to see the cronology of the first e-mail sent:
----- Original Message -----
From: paul
To: Constance E. Cumbey
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Convince me otherwise!
"Joseph Dewey" a Mormon http://www.synthesisnet.com/goodwill/declaration.html he is also this guy http://www.thenewagesite.com as well as this guy http://www.greaterthings.com ....I SENT YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOU ASKED ME TO GET ON THESE PEOPLE/GUY IN 83. I called you, and you said to me "Ask & FIND OUT if there is a Planetary Initiative associated with this group" I then went back and asked!.HE WAS SURPRISED THAT I ASKED THAT QUESTION & SAID YES, and he gave me the material that ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION!.....THEREFORE, I COPIED IT ALL OFF & I SENT IT TO YOU IN A BROWN BOX with at least 2 reams of his automatic writings. Inside the BOX was a pamphlet about the Elimination of all Nuclear ARMS, he was on the campus at Boise State University with that Pamphlet looking for students to help support THEIR CAUSE, & I FOUND THE PAMPHLET IN THE LIBRARY ON A STUDY DESK. 2 weeks Earlier I had bought your book. I put 2 and 2 together and saw that this GROUP was the one you were talking about in you first diatribe..... "Hidden Dangers!
PLEASE......IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, which apparently YOU DON'T, I visited you in 86, (after attending SMU in DALLAS for film school/2 semesters...& I showed you NOTES FROM THE "School Of The Prophets" A FRIEND of mine was going to and where I attended A FEW TIMES ON SUNDAY WITH HER IN MARSHALL TEXAS, just up the road a few 100 miles!!)..... I CAME TO YOUR HOME with the hopes of helping you find what I sent you BACK IN 83 and you IGNORED ME , TOLD ME I WAS INVOLVED IN A CULT, YOU WERE VERY VERY RUDE TO ME even back then, WE WENT AND ATE LUNCH WITH LEE, AND YOU SENT ME ON MY WAY. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.....get real, RESEARCH JOSEPH DEWEY, try and do a word search on him, there's 2000 ways to find out.....FIND THE BOX/MATERIAL.....and LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE...... I'M REAAAAAALY PISSED AT YOUR STUPIDITY RIGHT NOW & YOUR GOING TO DESTROY YOURSELF BY BEING SO........... I don't want to say anything else that will get me in trouble with YHWH/Yeshua, after all, IT'S PASSOVER........!
From: Constance E. Cumbey
To: paul
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Convince me otherwise!
Tripp,
I take THREATS from MANIFEST SONS OF GOD people VERY SERIOUSLY. I lost nothing of yours. I will look at the links you have. You know so very little of my research, Paul, and if you will recall you came to my home office after you were told not to come. You came with a suitcase of material, Lee Kulpa drove you to your plane -- with the materials you brought with you. I am grateful for the materials you sent me last week. I will use the Vatican Assassins for nothing but "Exhibit A" -- and I am praying that God will give you the discernment to see through the very evil lies contained in them. As far as "my days being numbered" -- indeed they are -- by the same God who has numbered the hairs on my head (and yours). Nothing can happen to me until God is ready. If God is ready, there is NOTHING I can do to stop it.
Constance
paul wrote:
Constance,
Back in the early 80"s, as I told you, I ran into this guy Named "Joseph Dewey" a Mormon http://www.synthesisnet.com/goodwill/declaration.html he is also this guy http://www.thenewagesite.com as well as this guy http://www.greaterthings.com
While I did my investigation, AND LITERALLY RISKED MY LIFE TO GET YOU ALL THIS MATERIAL, I copied all the material He gave to me, in order to indoctrinate me, which he DIDN'T, and sent it to YOU Constance CUMBEY.......YOU LOST IT???????, or you still have it in your MESS OF VILE RESEARCH IN YOUR BASEMENT!
If you so WILL TO ATTACK THE ANSWER GIVEN BY OTHER AUTHORS WHO HAVE MUCH BETTER RESEARCH THAN YOU DO, AND NOT PERUSE THE PROBLEM PROVIDED BY THE LINKS ABOVE........then WHO ARE YOU? Perhaps Opus Dei or Catholic Action?
Be Forewarned Constance, your days are numbered by YOUR CHOICE not to follow the SIGNS THAT HAVE COME INTO YOUR VERY EXISTENCE TO HELP YOU WITH WHAT YOU YOURSELF STARTED, your murdering the sons and daughters you YOURSELF BIRTHED by your VERY OPINIONS AND WORDS.
Ignorance can only be cured by NOT IGNORING WHAT YHWH HAS SENT TO YOU, but for some STUPIDITY will last forever.
Texe Marrs, Herb Peters and Yourself are looking like a bunch of Religious FOOLS, finding demons even in boxes of Captain Crunch.......selah.
Last chance .......peruse the links above and use Vatican Assassins as a TOOL to tie the loose ends up that you have, and for LIFE'S SAKE......look for the brown cardboard mail box I sent you, or your going to do it ALL OVER AGAIN like you did when you wrote your last 2 books after Hidden Dangers, which you TOTALLY MISSED THE MARK AGAIN.
I'm PISSED....you used me and I'm on the verge of LETTING ALL KNOW what our DIFFERENCES really are........ HOW DARE YOU!
Selah.
----- Original Message -----
From: Constance E. Cumbey
To: paul
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Convince me otherwise!
Paul,
It was the Lord's will I see that material. It had to be exposed for the ugly and evil New Age material that it was. Barry Chamish has a red face over this one as well. There is no way I could affirm the deep and obvious evil in that book -- pray over it and read it again! Then do a general internet search on the following:
"Eric Jon Phelps"
"Jon Eric Phelps"
"Eric Jon Felps"
Paul, the material is demonic and full of lies. I'm grateful to you for sending it -- I did not promise to propagate error, however.
Sincerely,
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
P.S. They have no idea where I got the material, unless you tell them. If I were you, I would be very careful around them. They are a dangerous bunch, even more dangerous than the "School of the Prophets" which seemed to be taking you in back in the 1980s.
Constance
paul wrote:
I trusted you, AND YOU SCREWED ME AGAIN !!!
Thanks so much.
I will be in touch, count on it.
Paul
From: Eric Jon Phelps
To: Constance E. Cumbey
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: I believe you are a New Ager -- convince me otherwise!
Dear Constance,
We are finished.
You have insulted me for the last time.
Goodbye.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: Constance E. Cumbey
To: Eric Jon Phelps
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: I believe you are a New Ager -- convince me otherwise!
Dear Eric,
I am so happy to know that the demons you quoted were the "truthful ones." I am somewhat surprised to learn that Jesus didn't exist prior to the AV1611 Reformation Bible. The next time you sit down and read it, why don't you dwell on Deuteronomy 18 for awhile? I will take the time it deserves to read and respond carefully. Thank you for your prompt response.
Sincerely,
(Mrs.) Constance E. Cumbey
www.cumbey.blogspot.com
Eric Jon Phelps wrote:
Dear Ms. Cumbey,
Thank you for contacting me.
As you can see, I have addressed you by name which is a courtesy that cultured adults should render to one another, especially those of us who profess to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ of AV1611 Reformation Bible. I would appreciate it if you would render the came courtesy to me in the future.
Indeed, I quote the individuals you cite below, but what about the other 200 or so sources I quote in VA? What about the Bible-believing men and women such as Charles Chiniquy, Luigi Desanctis, M. F. Cusack, Theodor Greisinger, G. B. Nicolini and a host of others? I quote the words of other peoples, including the antichrist Popes, Black Muslims and Jesuit-controlled New Agers simply because they wrote the truth about a certain person, place or thing.
Do you have a problem with this? Did not the Apostle Paul quote a truth spoken by a pagan Greek poet as a precursor to the preaching of the gospel on Mars' hill (Acts 17:27-28)? Was not Abram rebuked for his sin of lying by a sun-worshipping, Egyptian Pharaoh ( Genesis 12:18-20)? Pagans and infidels at times speak the truth and we can be instructed or rebuked by them for our betterment. Further, the quoting of a host of different sources gives greater credibility to any thesis; this tactic I have employed.
Ms. Cumbey, the truth is the truth, regardless of who speaks it. The absolute Truth is, as you must know, the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6) and thus his written Word, which is the mere extension of Himself; Both are eternal. I pass all things through the grid of the written Word of God as championed and given to us by the Protestant Reformation. If you would have read my book, you would have never brazenly and coldly attacked me, as though I am your inferior owing you an explanation for my work. In your future inquiries, I would suggest that you err on the side of caution if you are in question as to the beliefs of a total stranger whose work you have never fully digested.
Concerning Spectrum, yes it does advocate New Age doctrine which I fully reject as a AV1611 Bible believer on the true Lord Jesus Christ. But what has that to do with the law of contract when entering a commercial agreement with another party? If I would have contracted with St. Martin's Press, would that mean that I am a Roman Catholic of a member of Opus Dei? When you buy a new automobile from one of the "big three," does that mean you are an active party in the quest for the Pope's One World Government, as those automakers have financed the Black Pope's Fascism, Nazism, Zionism and Soviet Communism in the past? As you know, the law of contract keeps the parties separate, and thus I am never unequally yoked with unbelievers.
You then ask me "what religion is this?" concerning the adjectives behind my name? Again you are being brash and uncouth. But I will indulge you since you used the word "Please." Regarding the terms you highlighted, I am White; that pertains to my race. I am an American; that pertains to my nationality. I am a Freeman--a term utilized extensively in both the law and past history--; that pertains to my political status. I am Dispensational (not Covenant); that pertains to my eschatological understanding of the Word of God, always maintaining the right distinctions between the Jews, the Gentiles and the Church of God (I Cor.10:32). I am Fifth Monarchy (which term was first descriptively used in the Sixteenth Century); that pertains to the Fifth and final World Empire (Daniel 7:13-14) to be governed by the Lord Jesus Christ on earth during his millennial kingdom (Rev. 20:4). I am a Seventh-Day Baptist; I hold the Seventh Day to be the Lord's Day, on which day I rest and worship as did the Seventh Day Baptists before me; I hold to the seven Baptist distinctives, including the separation of an organized Church from being supported and thus controlling (or being controlled by) an organized Civil government. Thanks to the Virginia and Rhode Island Baptist-Calvinists, we have the Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution. I am a Calvinist; I hold to the Doctrines of Grace while espousing the use of "The Sword of Just Defense" as did John Knox and my Calvinist forefathers, without whom there would be no United States of America or historic Reformed Western Civilization.
And by your final question at the bottom of your missive, are you insinuating that I am involved in the occult as was the Jewish Chief Priest, Sceva, when the demon asked him,
"Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are you?" (Acts 19:15)?
Apparently so, as you do not KNOW Ellen G. White, the false prophetess, but only know OF her, as she has been dead for many years.
Quite frankly, knowing that you are an attorney, I am taken back by your most brash attack based on no preceding due diligence. Please apologize for your extremely unprofessional, impersonal and most crucially, your unbiblical approach to me (Gal. 6:1), or contact me no more.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: Constance E. Cumbey
To: eric
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: I believe you are a New Ager -- convince me otherwise!
I have an open mind. Just because you used Lady Jane Queensborough, Nesta Webster, and Helena Petrovna Blavatsky as your sourcesl just because you used Spectrum.org as your distributor; because you used Eustace Mullins (a protege of Theosophist Ezra Pound) -- apart from those factors, why shouldn't I conclude you are a self-conscious New Ager?
And please tell me what this religion is supposed to be:
Eric Jon Phelps, White American Freeman
Dispensational, Fifth Monarchy, Seventh-Day Baptist-Calvinist
Now, I know Ellen G. White, but who are you?
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
Zypher - your comment is as cryptic as the movie the Matrix, so would you please say what you want to say in English rather than hinting all over the place about some trickiness you see happening. Chamish's comments seem to indicate he never read the book in any detail but rather found some things in the index which he had read elsewhere and so decided to do Phelps a favor. Stupid move on his part. He became a too trusting of certain kinds of people because they became an outlet for his material.
So, I'll ask you also, do you have a bio on Phelps giving his credentials and organizational connections?
By the way, Cumbey wrote two books, not three. Cumbey's documentation stands up to independent checking. People who who Constance Cumbey is. Cumbey doesn't keep the occult kind of company Phelps does. Strike three on Phelps.
Well, I wrote today's blog without revealing the identity of the one who had told me my days were numbered. Evidently, he has chosen to reveal himself and his stalking pattern of me in the 1980s when what he calls "a visit" to our house was a coming after he called and said "The Lord told him to go" and he was told "Don't come." However, he showed up at the doorway, replete with Manifest Sons of God material in his pack. The caliber of material by this gang speaks for itself. I regret the identity of "Paul", because I feel that no matter how misguided he is sincere. I have divided the New Age Movement into the hypnotized and the hypnotizers. I believe our friend is one of the former. It is most interesting that he should use the reference to Pandora's Box. I do believe I shall write my blog on that tomorrow.
Well, I see that those attacking me are also attacking my research on Javier Solana . . . hmmmmmm ..... and they wrongfully invoked Barry Chamish's name in the process . . . well, folks, res ipsa loquitur, as we say in legal circles. Barry Chamish does have high regard for my Solana research!
http://www.barrychamish.com/article_archive/2001/jul_01.html#July%2024
July 24, 2001 - THE BEST LAID PLANS OF MICE
The EU's political head, Javier Solana showed up in Israel today
(July 24), and ran into the arms of Europe's chief spy in the Israeli
cabinet, Shimon Peres. And, because Solana and Europe are so dreadfully
boring, hardly anyone paid attention to the evil significance of the visit.
Luckily for us, an attorney, Constance E. Cumbey, is keeping close watch on
Solana. She can be reached at: cumbey@tir.com She writes:
"I have kept the closest of tabs on Dr. Solana since he first came to my
attention -- November 22, 1995. I collected all I could find thereafter
about his earlier activities. I have saved all to disk. Perhaps the best
way to transmit might be by CD-ROM. I have prepared an informational video;
I am working on a book about him. Since I practice law on a full-time
basis, all is not easy. I did meet a Daniel Seaman, Director of the Foreign
Press Department, Government Press Office, Office of the Prime Minister
(then Barak) at a War Bonds for Israel dinner last fall. His address is 37
Hillel Street, Jerusalem 94581; telephone 972-2-623-3389-90; FAX
972-2-623-3388; Web Site www.gpo.gov.il. I did bend his ear at some length
that evening about Javier Solana. He knew about the EU and damage coming
from it, but was a little bit more clueless about Solana, but said he wanted
to learn much more. He offered to get me press credentials if I wanted to
come to Israel. I do believe he may have taken to heart what I told him and
he might be an excellent contact. I told him he and the others in Israel
would be very wise to learn as much about Solana as they knew about Hitler.
Solana, unfortunately, appears to be tens of times shrewder and smarter than
Mr. Hitler, and far more disarming. If one looks carefully, however, the
fangs are obviously showing."
Ms. Cumbey's approach is to absorb what Solana is telling the Arabs
and what they are saying about him. She sent along some examples. Permit me
to add some comments:
Greater EU role in Middle East peace process demanded
The Emirates News Agency (WAM)
Posted Thursday May 24, 2001 - 10:12:26 AM EDT
Abu Dhabi - A UAE newspaper hoped today the European Union (EU) would play
greater role in mediation in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, saying that
the partisan role of the US had harmed peace-making.
The "Gulf News" said in part : "The European Union (EU) is beginning to
take a high- profile interest in the Palestinian- Israeli conflict. It has
endorsed the Mitchell report and said it stands ready to assist the parties.
"The EU head of foreign policy Javier Solana was a member of the Mitchell
Commission which authored the report, and he has undertaken a tour of the
region and held meetings with officials from both sides. The EU is one of
the biggest aid donors of the Palestinians and has extensive economic
interests and ties in the region.
***Now let's get this straight. Solana was a member of the Mitchell
Commission, whose findings Israel alone adopted and since then has suffered
over 700 terror attacks. Yet Solana tells the Arabs that the US role had
harmed their peaceful interests. That means that Mitchell, the US mediator,
was harmful but not Solana, who worked hand in hand with Mitchell to write
his commission's report.
Either Solana is a double-dealing, back-stabbing cretin or he's
playing the role demanded of him, which is to make it appear that the EU
and US have not coordinated Middle East policy. We can already conclude
that if Mitchell demanded that Israel adopt a one-way cease-fire which lets
the PLO murder with impunity, so did the EU."***
"Palestinians now want to see the EU play a greater role in mediation in
the conflict with Israel. This would be beneficial for everyone.
The overbearing and partisan role of the United States has done much to
exacerbate the situation. Palestinians cannot get a just deal because the
mediator is so clearly and avowedly biased.
"The EU has always propagated a balanced approach to the conflict and
insisted on the implementation of UN Resolution 242 and 338. It has also
called for a freeze in settlements.
"A more direct role would enable the EU to flex its political muscle and
grow out of the shadows of the US. It would instill greater balance in
diplomacy and perhaps provide the opening that everyone has been searching
for," the paper said.
***And now we see how Solana has pulled the wool over the Arabs' eyes. He
has convinced them that the EU's policy towards Israel is more unbiased
than America's, and that it would press harder for Israel's demise. By
leaving this impression, Solana also does some wool-pulling over Israeli
eyes. Clearly, they must reason, America is a much better friend of Israel
than the EU... the same America which prepared and endorsed the Mitchell
Commission report, of which, Solana was an active contributor.
Now let's have a look what Solana told the Syrians:***
Al-Assad confers with Solana, Syrian patriarchs
Syria-European Union, Politics, 5/22/2001 Syrian President Bashar al-Assad
on Monday in Damascus's al-Shaab palace received the European Union's
foreign policy and Security Council chairman Javier Solana and members of
the accompanying delegation.
The meeting was attended by the foreign minister Farouk al- Shara. Talks
dealt with the conditions in the occupied Arab territories and the
practices of genocide conducted by Israel against the Palestinians.
The president stressed the importance of the ME peace progress in terms of
maintaining clear- cut criteria according to provisions of the
International legitimacy resolutions and the Madrid's terms of reference
with a view to achieving a just and comprehensive peace.
AL-Assad also noted the effective role of the EU has to play in the peace
process.
An agreement was concluded on continuing contacts between Syria and the EU.
In a statement to SANA following his meeting with President al-Assad,
Solana described the talks as very positive and constructive.
***Solana has just attended a meeting with the Syrian president and foreign
minister and the topic is Israel's ongoing genocide against the
Palestinians. Does he vigorously reply that the only genocide being
discussed in the region is the Arabs' plans for Israel? Does he condemn the
PLO's serial murder of innocents? Nope, he views what was discussed as
constructive."
He said that his talks with President al-Assad covered the situation in the
region and relations between the EU and Syria.
He added:" I am very pleased and wish to go back to Damascus to complete my
talks."
He continued:" We, in the European Union, are trying our best to stop the
cycle of violence and to create the conditions that allow the resumption of
constructive negotiations." Solana, who is on a Middle East tour of five
countries and the Palestinian territories, added that he had:" good and
productive" talks with President al-Assad, which also covered negotiations
on an association agreement between Syria and the EU.
"I had a very good meeting with the President.. I think I have a very good
picture about the thinking of Syria about the situation in the region."
***Look what Solana offered Syria; an associate membership in the EU, with
all the monetary benefits that go along with joining the club. Now why
would the EU welcome Syria as a junior partner? For its future
contributions to the well-being of the European continent? To spread its
fine human rights record to the world? And why would Syria agree unless the
EU and Solana made some very concrete proposals concerning Israel? Now what
could they include?"***
It was also on Monday, the president received at the Damascus al-Shaab
Palace Patriarch of Antioch and All the East for the Greek Orthodox,
Patriarch Zakka Iwaz I, the patriarch of Antoich and all the east for
Syrian Orthodox, Higher President of the Syriac Church in the World,
Patriarch Isador Bateikha, the deputy patriarch for the Greek- Catholics.
The patriarchs expressed their "high appreciation for the President's wise
leadership, his national attitudes and his efforts for activating Arab
solidarity in confrontation of the current challenges."
***Could it be Solana made a promise to get the Jews out of the Old City of
Jerusalem and Assad just couldn't wait to tell the good news to his
Christian patriarchs?
At this very moment, some 200 European troops from a Ukrainian
division, are learning the lay of the land in Jerusalem. They have been
spotted roaming the Old City by several of my correspondents. Israel's
perfidious leader Sharon is supposedly opposing the presence of EU troops
while knowing they are already wandering his land. He would prefer inviting
a contingent of CIA monitors, we are told, as if they won't be coordinating
their murderous plots against Israel with the soldiers of the EU.
Last week, the settlers were set up but good. A former Kach leader,
Noam Federman, had three bombs planted in his car by radical elements of
the General Security Services (Shabak). A lie was spread that he had
planned to use them against Arabs. He wisely blamed the Shabak for the
setup, but that didn't stop the Shabak from continuing their plan. Next,
three Arabs, including an infant, were shot dead on a road near Hebron and
The Committee For Road Safety took responsibility. This same group was run
by the Shabak provocateur Avishai Raviv in the early 1990s, which the
Shabak obviously forgot when they tried blaming Kach for the murders.
Everything is in place: the EU troops are coming, the CIA is on the
way in bigger and more deadly numbers to "stop the violence" by removing
the "violent" settlers from their homes, starting with Hebron and ending,
for a spell, in Jerusalem.
However, there is a fly in the ointment, a spanner in the works, that
could put an end to these best laid plans of mice, and that is the Rabin
murder. As a result of President Katzav's early release of Margalit Har
Shefi, there has a been a spirited revival of Rabin truth and demands for
it. Here are two radio reports sent to me by correspondents:
"Yesterday, the Radio interviewed Yitzchak Rabin's grandson regarding
the release of Margalit Har Shefi. The grandson revealed that Leah
Rabin had her doubts and questions about the assassination of Yitzchak
but was afraid to open pandora's box."
"Today, 18.7.01, on the Jojo Aboutbul evening radio talk show, an
Israeli journalist from Bet El went live on the line to praise
President Katzav for pardoning Har Shefi. He went on to disclose that,
according to a cabinet protocol released shortly after the Rabin
murder but immediately banned from further publication, a very senior
cabinet minister suggested during a cabinet meeting that 'we must
stage a political assassination' in order to further the Oslo process.
The journalist said the cabinet meeting protocols were available for a
day or two, then strictly banned by government and GSS decrees and
failed to reach the mass media. Nevertheless, he's got a copy of it.
He went on to say that the public did not get a chance to demand a
REAL investigation into the Rabin murder and unfortunately the real
murderer is still at large.
At this point Juju forcefully cut him off, in mid broadcast."
Now, of course, we know that cabinet minister was Shimon Peres, the
same fellow who smilingly
hugged Solana earlier today. And if the Rabin assassination truth emerges,
he will fall hard, as
will the coterie of "peacemakers" who have brought Israel to the precipice
of extinction. And look
who demanded that the truth come out! Recall July 24, because on this day,
after nearly six years of cowardly silence, the Jerusalem Post finally . . .
Seems "Paul" speaks the truth, just look at the links he gave "ALL" to see & peruse.
http://www.synthesisnet.com/goodwill/declaration.html
http://www.thenewagesite.com
http://www.greaterthings.com
Not excluding the e-mail that certainly suggests Cumbeys' comments were way out of line as she "set up" Phelps in the first place.
This "Paul" obviously is not a stalker, as Constance suggests, but one who has carried on a 20+ year conversation with the man. Obviously, as Zypher said, "somethings going on here" and the truth is NOT being told from the stand point of REAL clarity. I would like to hear "Pauls" take on things, since he suggested that he was "working" with Constance since 1983. Something isn't right, the e-mails clearly identify that.
By the spirit, "Paul" is saying that if you refuse to see the wealth within the meaning of the hebrew word "loshon hara" then you miss a very important principal in Judiasm that says, & I'll paraphrase it simply, don't mess with the men who the L-rd has birthed to confront the Sauls' within the kingdom causing both houses of Israel to be rebellious.
Am I missing something here? I checked thoes links, and in my opinion, this guy J.J.Dewey could do a really good stand in for the false prophet, expecially after teaching the 7th Initiation Ray return?
Sounds like "Paul" hit the mark on this one! WOW, these links are the BOMB.....LITERALLY!
His peace contract with the nations of the world would do really well in the united nations right now, and his god like writings line up with the Pearl of Great Price & Doctrine and Covenants of the LDS church!
Due Diligence is owed to this man named "Paul". He has been honest in his Posts, only to clear the air concerning truth.
If one was respectful, she would let the information flow in a truthful and concise forum such as this.
There is much to much conjecture and slander at times on this blog, and it is refreshing to see honest smart dialogue between authors who are in the know, in order to enlighten us all where confusion, most often times, reigns.
I for one saw the links as well, and he "Paul" most assuredly has put the pointing finger of a watchman, a prophet, on this man called J.J.Dewey.
Look, if any of you read my books, or saw my material, I was the first to analyze and write about these things. Paul did not "risk his life" to get materials to me. He once sent me some materials that were more of the same -- the same Planetary Initiative and Lucis Trust, etc, etc, etc, in all my books. He distinctly stalked me when he came to our house after calling and saying God told him to come and we told him not to come -- he came anyway and we had the rather delicate task of helping him get back on his plane -- and then his materials from the Manifest Sons of God -- School of the Prophets -- fell out of his pack. He was under that influence then (and make no mistake about, the MSOG's are clearly part of the New Age Movement -- I analyzed them in my second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION. I have approximately 35,000 books in my basement library and 20 filing cabinets -- legal size -- filled to the brim -- papers are like neeedles in a haystack. Paul/Tripp had a look at my basement even though he was not supposed to -- scaring my two secretaries and my minister at the time who was the husband of one of my secretaries. I take the Manifest Sons of God fairly seriously because I had a death threat from one of them who had pretended to be great fans and supporters of mine from the time my work first came to public attention until my book was released. Their most scary teaching: They take New Age terminology and substitute Christian words/terms such as "Year of Jubilee" and "Feast of Tabernacles" for "Age of Aquarius" -- they have the same target group as the New Agers -- Christians who do not go along with their "New Revelation" that they are gods themselves. Since "Judgment must begin at the House of the Lord" and THEY are 'god's' instruments to 'cleanse the world' of evil, guess who is to get killed first? Fundamentalists! I was really hopeful that Paul was at last free of their influence, but I guess not -- and in going from them to Phelps, he has gone from the frying pan to the fire.
So, he found a Mormon, one of millions of New Agers who believed in Bailey and Blavatsky? And if he ws into Planetary Initiative/Planetary Citizens, he certainly was into that -- Donald Keys was once an administrator of Alice Bailey's Lucis Trust (Lucifer Publishing was orig org in her network) B U T -- HERE'S WHERE THE DISCERNMENT COMES IN FOLKS, ASSUMING YOU ARE NOT ALL NEW AGERS WHO ARE GANGING UP WITH THE ONE WHO SAID MY DAYS ARE NUMBERED -- HELENA PETROVNA BLAVATSKY AND HER THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY WAS THE MOTHERSHIP OF EVEN BAILEY'S LUCIS TRUST!!! THAT IS WHAT PHELPS/FELPS, WHATEVER HIS REAL NAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE IS USING TO DECEIVE US. SPECTRUM PUBLISHING IS CLEARLY A NEW AGE COMPANY -- READ THE CORRESPONDENCE PAUL STUCK HERE FROM PHELPS -- HE ADMITS IT AND THEN LUDICROUSLY SAYS THAT HAVING A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE PEOPLE IS NOT BEING 'UNEQUALLY YOKED TOGETHER' -- This is pure evil!
April 30, 2005, 12:32 AM EST, I just came back from looking at the sites Paul mentioned -- most certainly they are interesting -- most certainly they are Lucis Trust related. Most certainly it is a New Age cult -- Dewey is most certainly not THE king pin -- he is obviously selling his novels -- and giving a free one on line to entice more. I see he has many articles in his archive -- some of which come from World Net Daily. He is obviously a New Ager and not the most subtle of ones. What I am asking Paul and the rest of you to see is that Eric Jon Phelps is also a New Ager, but probably more dangerous than Dewey because he mixes the New Age Movement with Christian terminology just as the Manifest Sons of God Movement does. He calls for murder of non-cooperators. Paul, can't you see that these are just two of thousands of heads of this ugly hydra headed monster sometimes called "The New Age Movement" -- sometimes called lots of other things? Satan doesn't care how he gets you, just so he gets you.
Let's get one thing clear. Paul has not been working with me since 1983. He has made many phone calls to me -- he once made a trip to me that was precipitated by his making a phone call saying that God told him to come. My secretary at the time said, "don't come." He kept calling from various airports -- we kept saying,"don't come," and then my doorbell rang and I came up from my then basement office and a little fellow was at the door with a suitcase. It was a case of stalking ... his stalking was I believe at the instigation of something calling itself the School of the Prophets, a branch of the Manifest Sons of God Movement. He has continued to call me over the years, and I have talked with him -- I have never worked with him, but I have listened to him as I did to everybody who gave me inputs. I always kept my home phone listed -- my theory has always been that my enemies are motivated and determined -- if they want to find me, they will find me. If I am unlisted, it's my friends I slow down. There is one person I have consistently worked with over the last 24 years -- a Jewish woman from the Chicago area who has been a true friend. She mistakenly once thought me to be anti-semitic because she saw material condemning Alice Bailey coming from anti-Semitic sources. After she checked me out, we have been best friends since -- she has been stable and helpful. Paul, while trying to help, has sometimes been a trial of sorts -- although I still believe he is well motivated, but subject to very very bad influces, witness Mr. Phelps who by any reading is indefensible. Because the links Paul cites are bad, hardly makes Phelps good -- both are bad!
I wonder how many years of academic research it took to get this valuable piece of information.
From the Vatican Assassins website:
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/hollow_earth.htm
Dear Brethren and Friends,
The "hollow earth theory" is both Biblical and truly scientific. Moreso, the Jesuits have done much to suppress this knowledge. The Jesuit/Masonic/Rockefeller connection to Admiral Byrd in financing the Admiral's explorations, as well as Amadeo Giannini's connection to the Jesuit Order's wicked Bank of America spoken of below, further sustains the connection. Jesuit physicist and seismologist Jerome S. Riccard connected with the Archbishop of Boston William Cardinal O'Connell (Cardinal years being 1911-1944) further raises my suspicion of a massive Jesuit cover-up in order to keep from us the truth as to the proper functioning of the earth in relation to a geocentric creation. It is possible that between the two truths of the earth being fixed and thus "at rest," and the magnetic influences of this truly "hollow earth" we dwell upon, lie the secrets to understanding the law of gravity thus enabling the Jesuit Millita of the Black Pope to build anti-gravity aerodynes, i.e., UFOs.
Let me get this straight,...
Constance said, "and then my doorbell rang and I came up from my then basement office and a little fellow was at the door with a suitcase. It was a case of stalking ... his stalking was I believe at the instigation of something calling itself the School of the Prophets, a branch of the Manifest Sons of God Movement. He has continued to call me over the years, and I have talked with him -- I have never worked with him, but I have listened to him as I did to everybody who gave me inputs.".
THEN IN THE E_MAILS Constance said to "Paul"....."As long as this is qualified in
this manner, you are free (I guess this is still America) to say what you want. I wonder how long until they charge us with incitement? Be very careful. We are dealing with slick, dangerous people."
READ THAT AGAIN....."I WONDER HOW LONG UNTIL THEY CHARGE US"....US is the key, meaning Constance & "Paul", therefore, also look at the word WE in the last sentence, "WE are dealing with slick, dangerous people."..... ....obviously your e-mail to him says different, the word "stalker" is just that, YOUR belief, your conjecture, AFTER READING THE E-MAILS, now that this 24+ year relationship has come to the surface, or should I say, a bitter end.
"Paul" explained your stalking belief already, and I quote his comment to you Mrs. Cumbey,......"I visited you in 86, (after attending SMU in DALLAS for film school/2 semesters...& I showed you NOTES FROM THE "School Of The Prophets" A FRIEND of mine was going to and where I attended A FEW TIMES ON SUNDAY WITH HER IN MARSHALL TEXAS, just up the road a few 100 miles!!)..... I CAME TO YOUR HOME with the hopes of helping you find what I sent you BACK IN 83 and you IGNORED ME, TOLD ME I WAS INVOLVED IN A CULT, YOU WERE VERY VERY RUDE TO ME even back then, WE WENT AND ATE LUNCH WITH LEE, AND YOU SENT ME ON MY WAY. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
NOW, lets ALL get this straight, a Stalker that went to your house, you had lunch with then later drove to the airport and watched leave, I see. Then you have contact with him on and off over the last 24 years and you refer to him as "US" and "WE" in the e-mail you yourself wrote to him after he sent you Vatican Assassins, I see.
I learned early in life that there is always 3 sides to EVERY story, HER side HIS side and the truth. He caught you off guard constance, the e-mails don't lie. Good luck.
"Paul" your an honest man, and I for one thank you for being so in this forum.
I know how hard it is to be slandered, used, called a stalker, spit on, and falsely accused when you can't defend yourself.
Keep your chin up, and ALWAYS remember, Jesus died for Lawyers who accuse daily without merit, nor conscious.
Thanks for your insight as to the links on this false Prophet, J.J. Dewey, and try to get over your fear of man, sometimes he/she just isn't worth it, as this situation you have found yourself in here proves.
Conspiracy theories as promoted by Phelps supporters are such fun. Michael, supports Paul, and when you hit Michael's name in the comments, it links to the Center for Public Integrity, a leftist group that just got a grant from Soros. Now Michael supports Paul who supports Phelps who promotes the hollow earth theory. Could Soros be building ufos in the hollow earth. Stay tuned to the great conspiracy network for the latest information.
Michael, be careful or Cumbey will try to take you under her wing as she did Paul, trying to protect both of you from the wild, wild world of the "They will believe anything we write" nutsos.
"Paul" needs to understand a few things about the WORDS WOMEN USE
FINE
This is the word women use to end an argument when they are
right and you need to shut up.
FIVE MINUTES
If she is getting dressed, this is half an hour. Five minutes
is only five minutes if you have just been given 5 more minutes to
watch the game before helping around the house.
NOTHING
This is the calm before the storm. This means "something," and
you should be on your toes. Arguments that begin with 'Nothing'
usually end in "Fine"
GO AHEAD
This is a dare, not permission. Don't do it.
LOUD SIGH
This is not actually a word, but is a non-verbal statement
often misunderstood by men. A "Loud Sigh" means she thinks you are and wonders why she is wasting her time standing here and
arguing with you over "Nothing"
THAT'S OKAY
This is one of the most dangerous statements that a woman can make to a man. "That's Okay" means that she wants to think long and hard before deciding how and when you will pay for your mistake.
THANKS
A woman is thanking you. Do not question it or faint. Just say
you're welcome.
WHATEVER
A woman's way of saying #$%@ YOU!
Send this to the men you know to warn them about future arguments they can avoid if they remember the terminology!
The E-mails say it all. Don't be worried "Paul" constance has a long and heavy heart over this one I'm sure.
The bunch around Paul is a sick, dangerous bunch, isn't it? Now which of you, Paul included, has the best explanation for why Madame Blavatsky was telling the "truth" when being written under the name of Eric Jon Phelps, but was lying when writing under the name of Dewey?
Please explain why I shouldn't believe Jon Eric Phelps and Mr. Dewey the Mormon-Lucis Truster are fellow travelers?
I'm waiting!
Constance all you've done is attack attack attack. "Paul" was to the point, and VERY HONEST with his comments in the E-mail, which apparently, you can't seem to get over. You have used him, it's as plain as the day is long.
Not only have you slandered his good name, it seems you have been using him for whatever you seem fit, for at least, lets see, the last couple of decades.
You also betrayed his trust that he has with other authors like Eric, Barry, and even those you ASSUME were his ?friends? that have left comments on YOUR blog.
Answer us all here on this page of yours, who has appointed you as Gods SELF PROCLAIMED CRITIC,.. you?
Do you think your doing God a favor by being such a hyper critical judge, or do you see all that you do as the "Lords will"?
And most certainly, does that give you the right to treat all other authors you vehemently disagree with like dirt?
"Paul" seems to be at a cross roads, a turning point in his life where he does not want you influencing him anymore, and after reading the things you've assumed about all the blog comments talked about in this conversation in favor of "Paul", I would suggest you repent for the evil you have spoken, and ask for their forgivness, not for their sakes, but for yours.
Jesus plainly says "speak evil of NO MAN". What don't you see & understand about that scripture, and why not take his advice about the links he posted.
I was a great admirer of yours before all this, and I still hope to be, but be circumspect, and sober about your comments on someone who has tried to lend you good advice and sound judgment.
"Your days are numbered", could mean allot of things, but be certain of this one thing, "Paul" was probably refering to your relationship that you've had with him over the last several years, that is VERY clear in the E-mail.
Response to "George Meyers"
I tried to respond to you by email, but you left me no address to do so. Let's get a few things straight:
1. I have never used Paul.
2. Paul claims he once called me telling me about a New Age Mormon called "Dewey" and I asked him to send me documentation.
3. I kept Paul's identity secret -- at least until HE and not me chose to reprint private correspondence between us that also incorporated correspondence I had with Eric Jon Phelps.
4. I would have been derelict in not reporting the obvious New Age occult evidences in Eric Jon Phelps work.
5. I have NEVER used Paul -- I have never asked Paul to come to our place. When he did come after being told NOT to come, he came anyway. MR. LEE KULPA (a man), the owner of Pointe came and because I did feel some sympathy for this young man who was begging my pastor, my two secretaries and Lee to let him stay because he felt as though I had saved his spiritual and maybe even physical life by blowing the whistle on the New Age Movement when I first did in 1981 and then nationally in 1982, we SPENT OUR OWN MONEY HOUSING PAUL IN A LOCAL HOTEL, FEEDING HIM AND ASSISTING HIM WITH A RETURN FLIGHT THE NEXT DAY. That was when we discovered he had evidently been dispatched by his latest religious venture, "The School of the Prophets" and whoever its spiritual leader was at that time. This was ominous to me as I had previous death threats from people in that network particularly for exposing it as I did in my chapter "A Secret Kingdom?" in my book, A PLANNED DECEPTION.
I am more than starting to feel the frustrations Moses must have felt in dealing with what he claimed "a stiff necked people" but fortunately, I have SOMETIMES a forehead like Ezekiel's (harder than flint) --- the rest of the time, it's a migraine headache.
I have been very kind to Paul/Tripp/whatever his name is (I really don't know even that as he has given me varying ones.
I have worked diligently to bring people ACCURATE and HONEST information on the New Age Movement since 1981. I am not about to let the Eric Jon Phelps of the world mislead them with my help which if you will read Paul's correspondence carefully he has demanded.
Mr. Meyers, if I have lost your friendship, that is somewhat regrettable; but if I were to lose God's friendship, that would be death itself. I have chosen God's friendship and I hope that you will not follow the profile of those taken in by the antichrist (man of perdition) as described in 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2" -- for they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved . . ."
Mr. Phelps has given you lies from sources you know to be lying -- Madame Blavatsky, the high priestess of Theosophy and publisher of LUCIFER Magazine. That should be enough for you.
I am praying that God will open your eyes and the eyes of all the others so deceived by these horrible predators -- Eustace Mullins and Eric Jon Phelps -- on the body of Christ!
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
April 30, 2005
So, you ask a ?KID? to walk into an occult and get info for you?
He sends it to you and you lose it?
Then he shows up at your door 3 years later to help you find it and begs for your help, and you send him on his way after telling him is was involved in a cult, which COULD have been an assumption on YOUR PART?
How do you know he was sent by this so called "School of the Prophets", when he openly states in the e-mail that his "friend" was attending there and he went with her on a couple of Sundays while attending SMU?
You have no evidence that suggests that he was sent, and you assume he is of the "Manifested Sons of God"!
Sounds like to me he was scared half out of his wits after getting the information you asked him to get for you.
I know I would be after reading the links he provided... and WHAT A REVELATION HE DID PROVIDE! The sites line up with your first book "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow "...TO THE TEE!
That man J.J.DEWEY is a man who you should consider as EVEN MORE DANGEROUS than anyone else you have EVER written on!
My sugestion, FIND THE MATERIAL "Paul" sent you in your basement, and ALL HERE will have closure, you will have DIRECT PIECES OF EVIDENCE & NAIL this,....whatever this kind of INDIVIDUAL is, Dewey to the pit he came out from.... if not, this will haunt this poor kid for the rest of his life.....this sickens me. WOW!
....and I will NOT give you my E-mail until this is all cleared up.
George Meyers, give it a break. You aren't dealing with a bunch of innocents on this blog. First of all, Paul is no longer a tender kid, if he was one in the first place. Twenty plus years have gone by. The guy is in his 40s now, and if he is still acting like an innocent, it is time he grew up. There are many cults out there, and Dewey is one of them. Gathering paper on one of them is no big deal. There are a number of organizations that infiltrate cults, and unless it's a cult like that of Scientology the people are pretty safe. Scientologists, like the Moonies, play dirty. There is a lot of money to be made by those who run cults. CAN, Cult Awareness Network, a volunteer run operation, before it was destroyed by the Scientologist, estimated there were somewhere around 3,000 cults in operation in the US. Some were very small, run by an individual controlling a few people. Others are larger. We only hear about a few of these cults when they make the news.
Now Paul, when he first contacted Cumbey, must have been close to being a full adult. My guess is that Cumbey was in touch with many people who understood the extent of the New Age movement, but had no spokesperson who they could trust with their information. She took on that role, a thankless task, based on all she has faced to help others.
While I might feel sorry for the Paul of 20 plus years ago who seemed befuddled, I do not feel sorry for a Paul in his 40s who for whatever reason has not moved into the adult world. Let him be stroked on the head by the likes of your crew who have not forced him to face the manipulations of those making money from the innocents.
Dear George Meyers:
I read all that came in -- 23 years later, somebody asks me to find it -- which is what happened here -- literally thousands of people were sending me information -- all appreciated.
How are you at locating every scrap of paper -- 23 years later? I'll bet you have no longer than a 7 year records retention policy!
How would you feel about a stranger showing up at your door demanding entrance because "the Lord had sent him? Under the circumstances, I think I handled a delicate subject sensitively and well -- and considering that it turned out the young man was sent from an element which had delivered a serious death threat to me in early summer of 1983, I was more than charitable.
This young man was not asked to come and he certainly did not come to help me find something -- he came because he had instructions to try and take over my work by the Manifest Son of God cult - "School of the Prophets" and its guru at the time who he confessed was his "spiritual father." Now maybe his new spiritual father is Eric Jon Phelps -- I pray he will come free of all.
Well, Georgie, you come to my basement and find it -- be my guest -- I read it when it came -- it is not MORE DANGEROUS -- it does line up with what I had in Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow -- and it is now available on line --
You are a real piece of work!
I beg your pardon Sir, but with all due respect, did you know what you were doing your first 2-3 years in College?
When I went, many years ago, I was 18 and that would put him at almost the same age when he first contacted Constance for insight and HELP!
Therefore, as a ?Kid?, would you know what to do if you were put in that situation, and if you did, would you depend on the person who had asked you to gather information on a cult you knew nothing about?
Would you lean on and trust in that persons/Constance words to get you out of it after the information was had?
Obviously, J.J.Dewey lives in Boise, read his bio. Paul also lives in Boise, read his E-mail that he so aptly posted.
Now, if you lived in the same town as a bunch of High Ranking New Agers, and you knew what they were all about, what they were up to, what their plans were, and the deception they represented, wouldn't that make you a little on the "KNOW" side of things as far as being able to understand it, as well as confrount it successfully?
Think people, he was an "EYE WITNESS" to the deception itself, & acording to his statement of buying Constance Cumbeys book 2 weeks before he found the "PHAMPHLET IN THE LIBRARY AT BOISE STATE UNIVERSITY" make him a TARGET OF THESE PSYCHOS!
Thats why he stated "He Risked His Life To Get The Infomation Constance Asked Him To Get"!
I have MANY years expierence in Ministering too TEENS AND ADULTS IN THIS AREA, and I would suggest that he DID GET THE MATERIAL & Constance has it in her basement, somewhere.
QUESTION: Why would he go to all the trouble to make sure she had it in the first place and make the trip from across the counrty to see her?
I have read & prayed much about this post over the last 5 days, and I KNOW THE HOLY SPIRIT.
I believe I have some insight to the solution here, and the same thing keeps ministering to my spirit.....Constance is sitting on a gold mine of CORRECT INFORMATION INTO THE "PLAN".....I keep hearing over and over, "IT IS THE PLAN"...the information "Paul" sent in 83 is the "KEYS TO THE DECEPTION, THE PLAN"....over and over again, and ITS THE HOLY SPIRIT!
"Paul" said, look at Constance Cumbeys words, HE said "GOD TOLD HIM TO GO TO HER HOUSE".....give "Paul" the benefit of the doubts in these posts, this room,, he just may have walked into the DEVILS KINGDOM, FACED THE WORKERS OF THAT KINGDOM EYE TO EYE IN THIS LIFE, & got out what the HOLY SPIRIT told him to get out with & deliver it to Constance.
God ALWAYS DOES THINGS IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE, it is possible that some way, some how Constance & "PAUL" were ment to do this and there is a Unique Relationship to this IMPORTANT CONNECTION of exposing TOGETHER, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY... CORRECTLY the "REAL PLAN of the Kingdom of Darkness WITHIN the New Age Movement"......I KNOW WHAT I"M HEARING,... I'm OLD, BUT I CAN STILL HEAR THE FATHER!! LOOK FOR THE MATERIAL!
"This young man was not asked to come and he certainly did not come to help me find something -- he came because he had instructions to try and take over my work by the Manifest Son of God cult - "School of the Prophets" and its guru at the time who he confessed was his "spiritual father."
Please prove your statement, how do you know this, and what evidence do you have other than your assumption about his motives?
How can you say he was sent by elements within the Manifest Sons of God who threatened you, what solid proof do you have?
How can you be sure he was there to "TAKE OVER YOUR WORK"???
MY Lord Constance, are we to believe NOW that he is an AGENT of some cult when you originally asked him to find material back in 83?
Things don't add up on your side of the STORIES and why would he be so transparent with the E-mails.???
And by the way, I do not know, nor have I ever met "Paul".
Things just don't make sence as far as your STATEMENTS are concerned, & it sounds like your stabing at the dark, and VERY paranoid, REALLY Paranoid!
loshon hara.....
PS. If you have the material he sent you then why not post it so all can see if he is telling the truth about things?
Dear George Meyers:
Paul was considerably older than 20 when he first contacted me which was sometime in 1982 after he heard me on the radio. As for college, I worked my way through going to night school when I was a little older -- and yes, I do remember most of my college years -- Paul was not a kid -- I never sent him -- he would call many times hysterical about many things -- I had not heard from him for many years after we put him on a plane to return to where he was living then, San Diego, I believe -- he was NOT living in Boise, as I recall when he first contacted me. He was only a voice on the phone to me up until the very strange trip he made to our house -
your attitude is anytning but charitable -- you have no idea the type of sacrifices I have made to do this work -- I have NEVER passed the hat -- I have distributed most things for free -- I never charged large honorariums to go speak and frankly many churches took up very large "free will collections" and then handed me $100 -- sometimes $250 for a whole week of intense lectures -- I have taken intense persecution -- the Lord knows what I have undergone to this word to what appears to be self-righteous ingrates who are by projection accusing me of their own sins -- if the shoe fits, wear it! We live extremely modestly -- I have put everything into this and then to take this type of abuse from false friends such as yourself who are judging the words of a self-serving writer who is DEMANDING (read it again George) that I propagate the EXTREME ERRORS of Phelps or ELSE MY DAYS ARE NUMBERED -- YES THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. The Manifest Sons of God link is not a casual nor a hasty conclusion -- he had spent a couple of years in it before making the trip to me -- he had two huge binders of their materials and he then demanded that I had to present that material as well.
You owe me a very large apology and to the extent that you have reinforced Paul in his errors and uncritical acceptance of Eric Jon Phelps, you certainly owe him one as well. Good night!
And for all you fellow travelers with Paul so successfully trying to divert from the significance of the Phelps material:
1. It was 1985 or later when Paul called.
2. Paul did not come to bring me Dewey material -- he came to bring the School of the Prophets material which he suggested I teach -- he did not come to look for anything -- he said he was coming because the Lord wanted him to help run my work! (Lord knows my phone number.) I was receiving mail in those days in large mail sacks, such was the volume.
I doubt very much that the spirit of confusion Brenda and George are sowing is that of the Holy Spirit -- the diversion and confusion you are causing is on your consciences. May the Lord rebuke you! You read the threat -- my days are numbered. Yes, they are, by my Creator only.
You have not answered my Questions & why isn't there any EXPLINATION from "Paul" on this matter?
He wrote you for the last 20=years, where is he to give his side of the debate? What is his E-mail Address?
When I went to College, many years ago, I was 18 and that would put him at almost the same age when he first contacted Constance for insight and HELP!
Therefore, as a ?Kid?, would you know what to do if you were put in that situation, and if you did, would you depend on the person who had asked you to gather information on a cult you knew nothing about?
Would you lean on and trust in that persons/Constance words to get you out of it after the information was had?
Obviously, J.J.Dewey lives in Boise, read his bio. Paul also lives in Boise, read his E-mail that he so aptly posted.
Now, if you lived in the same town as a bunch of High Ranking New Agers, and you knew what they were all about, what they were up to, what their plans were, and the deception they represented, wouldn't that make you a little on the "KNOW" side of things as far as being able to understand it, as well as confrount it successfully?
Think people, he was an "EYE WITNESS" to the deception itself, & acording to his statement of buying Constance Cumbeys book 2 weeks before he found the "PHAMPHLET IN THE LIBRARY AT BOISE STATE UNIVERSITY" make him a TARGET OF THESE PSYCHOS!
Thats why he stated "He Risked His Life To Get The Infomation Constance Asked Him To Get"!
I have MANY years expierence in Ministering too TEENS AND ADULTS IN THIS AREA, and I would suggest that he DID GET THE MATERIAL & Constance has it in her basement, somewhere.
QUESTION: Why would he go to all the trouble to make sure she had it in the first place and make the trip from across the counrty to see her?
I have read & prayed much about this post over the last 5 days, and I KNOW THE HOLY SPIRIT.
I believe I have some insight to the solution here, and the same thing keeps ministering to my spirit.....Constance is sitting on a gold mine of CORRECT INFORMATION INTO THE "PLAN".....I keep hearing over and over, "IT IS THE PLAN"...the information "Paul" sent in 83 is the "KEYS TO THE DECEPTION, THE PLAN"....over and over again, and ITS THE HOLY SPIRIT!
"Paul" said, look at Constance Cumbeys words, HE said "GOD TOLD HIM TO GO TO HER HOUSE".....give "Paul" the benefit of the doubts in these posts, this room,, he just may have walked into the DEVILS KINGDOM, FACED THE WORKERS OF THAT KINGDOM EYE TO EYE IN THIS LIFE, & got out what the HOLY SPIRIT told him to get out with & deliver it to Constance.
God ALWAYS DOES THINGS IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE, it is possible that some way, some how Constance & "PAUL" were ment to do this and there is a Unique Relationship to this IMPORTANT CONNECTION of exposing TOGETHER, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY... CORRECTLY the "REAL PLAN of the Kingdom of Darkness WITHIN the New Age Movement"......I KNOW WHAT I"M HEARING,... I'm OLD, BUT I CAN STILL HEAR THE FATHER!! LOOK FOR THE MATERIAL!
And I also don't know 'Paul', nor have I ever met him, but I would like to hear his side of this nightmare story you have made up about him so as to hear his side of the story.
Constance, my suggestion for you is to produce the work that "Paul" sent you back in 83.
He said it was in a brown box. How hard is that to find?
And one important last thing. I don't know "Paul", I have never met "Paul" and "Paul" certainly deserves to defend his position her on your blog, thats a given!
The whole blog is watching, and the E-mails suggest, very clearly, that another story between you and "Paul" had....has....is going on......Dear Paul,
They are trying so very hard to marginalize me now and the information needs to be mainstreamed. I don't know IF SOLANA IS THE ONE OR NOT -- if you watched my disk, I said, "your guess as to the antichrist's identity is as good as mine -- but Javier Solana could well be an educated guess -- certainly a better guess than Juan Carlos." As long as this is qualified in
this manner, you are free (I guess this is still America) to say what you want. I wonder how long until they charge us with incitement? Be very careful. We are dealing with slick, dangerous people.
Constance
Constance,
If you had a clue to end this SHE said SHE said debate about "Paul" you would be smart to do so. Find the material, and it is done, what don't you get about that? If it is all that "Paul" says it is, as well as ALL the others THINK it is, then for goodness sake WILMA! FIND IT AND BE DONE WITH IT!
P.S. I know "PAUL", we jumped off a 60 story building in Gary Indiana together, and walked away with our beers still in our hands.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul"
To: cumbey
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Tripp Seaman
http://www.synthesisnet.com/goodwill/declaration.html
MORMON/Freemason/KNIGHTS OF MALTA/FALSE EPHRAIM
http://projectv.nventure.com/
Jesuit Roman Catholic/False Judah
Together they will unite in doctrine for a United Israel/Masonic Zionism
but AN ISHMAEL....A WORK OF THE FLESH! Constance, YOU better have that box of material I
sent you over 21 years ago in a BROWN SHOE KINDA BOX, in it is the PROOF OF THE WHOLE DEMONIC PLAN written by JJ DEWEY !! And if you don't then.............thanks
for nothing, you got me killed! I know you won't write back, because you think.....WHATEVER, but you have the proof if you can find what I sent you. Best in
whatever you do, I remain Faithful to the call. ....as well as my website. Tripp/Paul Seaman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Constance E. Cumbey"
To: "Paul"
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Tripp Seaman
Dear Paul:
I suggest you throw out everything in the "plain brown boxes" and just read your bible through from start to finish and pray for discernment to rightly
divide the word of God.
The cults that have played with your mind and the demons behind them continue to plague you. I am praying for you.
Sincerely,
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
----- Original Message -----
From: paul
To: cumbey
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Fw: Tripp Seaman
That's Great Constance, you ask/have me to walk into this group/jj dewey, investigate, and I come out 2 weeks later with the EVIDENCE, send it to you and you LOSE it.
What makes you say "plain brown boxes"? What do you mean?
Study, as well as read the word is the key, but STUDY is the best part, as the page/nephos.com proves. I've done my part, I can only believe that you have done yours. And by the way, if you say that I am wrong, by all means..... show me where and what's right.....Jer 1:10, and if sales are good with your book, then I guess you have your reward now don't you.
Congratulations on loosing the/your evidence that I sent you 20 years ago, that would seal the deal as far as the proof you needed to bring true your claims that there is an apostasy.
"The cults that have played with your mind and the demons behind them continue to plague you." I am praying for you"....... WHAT THAT'S ABOUT?
I was Baptized Baptist, Nov 1982, received the holy spirit/Assemblies of God/Central Assembly in Boise, Studied the last 20 years of my life, wrote 2 books, published them to a web site, and you have the Proof for that statement?
300,000 people a year read this site from all over the world, be blessed on your study of the word, and again thanks for nothing, good luck with your accusations /without proof now, your going need it.
Don't bother to reply, you wouldn't anyway, have fun finding demons under every nook and cranny, try looking in the mirror, AND if you decide to come after me in the present/future, I will tell the truth of what happened in 82 and the material I sent you, that dewey wrote, as well as what you asked me to do for you in getting it.....BE BLESSED.....Paul.
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From: Constance E. Cumbey
To: paul
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Tripp Seaman
Dear Paul:
I do not have an obligation to store other people's belongings for 20 years. If somebody sends me something, I assume it is a COPY. Moreover, if you wanted me to make a search, I would have to charge you my hourly rate as a lawyer, which would make it an expensive search. You were under the influence of SCHOOL OF THE PROPHETS, and a cult leader who you recognized as your father on earth. You were giving that person, Randy Shankle, or some such name, if I remember completely, the deference that belongs only to God. And now I do remember our lunch where Lee Kulpa you and I were in the restaurant where the piece fell out on the school of the prophets and I plainly remember that you took ALL YOUR MATERIAL BACK WITH YOU ON THE PLANE.
Sincerely,
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
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No, that's not it. J.J Dewey is who you should start researching, he is a Free Mason/Ex Communicated Mormon tied into the leadership of the new age movement through the UN, who wrote the box of material I sent you by trance writing. http://www.synthesisnet.com/goodwill/declaration.html see for yourself, he is also tied into the logic of the Jesuit http://projectv.nventure.com/ who is run by the Jesuit General/the black pope, see for yourself. The box of material was the ONLY copy I had, as I copied it all off at College at Boise State University, without their permission, and sent it to you before you moved from your office in 83 or somewhere around then, WAY before I came and visited you in 87. I sent the package in Dec of 82. These sites absolutely prove the connection of a false Ephraim/Mormon and Judah/roman catholic in the order of Masonic Zionism....and the box of Material Proves it. If you find the box, you have the proof, if you lost the box during the move, try looking in the basement of your house where it could be, or your office where you moved into after the move in 83, anyway, the material is the smoking gun/kicker that proves the connection to the governmental organization and structure of the plan, which is "THE PLAN" and "THE ORDER" they will try and pull off! If you don't have it, then I am the ONLY eye witness to this hideous idea, and I have prepared myself defensively for just that kind of defense....selah
Interesting, very interesting indeed.
Paul, I'm pleased to meet you. I will look over your web page and get ahold of you on your comments form.
I will remind you of the blog here so you can recognize my e-mail address, my firm has many questions to ask you, if you so please to answer.
Sincerly
Michael
Well, it looks like "Paul" has survived the jump from the building in Gary Indiana.
I guess everything Constance said was a "HALF TRUTH with her special LEGAL SPIN".
Paul, are you a demon possesed, cult worshiping, Manifested Son of God? Cause if you are NOT, then thats what Constance says you are.
My hats off to you Paul, be still and know he is God!
WOW! Paul I will also look at your site, it should prove to be very interesting as well.
Loshon Hara is what YHWH showed me, and the Ruach HaKodesh proved it by Mrs Cumbeys Lies, as PLAIN AS IT GETS!
Whoever, tell Dewey that his nonsense material is in no danger of being exposed as he appears to be a small potato in the larger New Age plan. Twenty years have gone by and no one has heard about him until his name popped up on this blog. If he wants publicity, let him donate some material to the New Age collection at the University of Michigan. For all I know, they may have that material already as Cumbey donated a large part of her files to them already.
As far as Paul, when anyone starts to learn that there is a body of information outside of what they can learn thru the mainstream media, it's a shock. Twenty plus years ago, when there was no internet, every little piece of information was startling. Many cult leaders were out there making money, offering all kinds of strange information to the gullible. Add that to all of the political groups from the right and left who were tying into the "religious" end of New Age. Near the end of the '80s the Whole Again Resource Guide listed some 3,000 groups tied to New Age, and this does not count all of the miscellaneous cults such as the LaRouche people or the Dewey people.
From what I read, Paul didn't do a break-in or some such. He gathered some mass produced material by a small cult leader for followers. Wow. If he is still living on the glory of that twenty year old effort to out a small cult leader who has gone nowhere in 20 years, it's time to get over it.
Now if we were talking about someone who had gone inside Lucis Trust or Luciferia, that would be something else.
SEEMS YOUR BUSTED MRS CUMBEY.
Good luck in worming your way out of YOUR SPIN ON THINGS.....WOW!
Thats fine Michael, as you will see, I have your firm on my intro page, and I will be happy to answer any questions that you have.
Thank you again in advance for your support, if there is anything I can do to serve you then just let me know.
Shalom.
Back somewhere in 2003 or before Paul was killed as he wrote: "thanks for nothing, you got me killed"
Now Paul, if you can tell us how you came back from the dead you might have something. The websites you gave are really quite useless for those of us trying to document the New Age movement. In case you missed it, there is no documentation that can be checked out. Like the astrology columns in the newspaper, they are creative but not informative.
I get Weekly THREATS because of my stance in my community, as well as the web page.
And lately, the last 2 years from Dewey and his Bishop goons.
They KNOW I KNOW, and when he sees me in albertsons shopping for my family or somewhere else in this small MORMAN NEW AGE town, they threaten with a handjester slash of their thumb across their throat, as if to suggest I'm going to loose my head.
Mrs Cumbey once said "There is a Black Cloud hanging over Boise"...there is very serious unseen battles in this town. "You got me killed" statement was a day all this happened in the store at Winco......it scared my kids and suprised me.
Paul, your earlier link was to http://www.nephos.com/ This last time you posted your name didn't go to that spot.
I would suggest everyone look at the above site and see the political connections. New Age is both political and one world religion.
Just why are you using Hebrew on your website?
I'm not your guru, your dispeller of darkness, the Torah/Word/Instruction is.
I use My Born/Hebrew understanding and Filter all throughout Messianic scripture, nephos.com is in defence of that understanding.
"I would suggest everyone look at the above site and see the political connections. New Age is both political and one world religion." Anonymous: Can you qualify your statement please.
Paul: Now I KNOW you are still into the Manifest Son of God cult. And I know you are a LIAR.
I have never said, "there is a black cloud over Boise" or anything to that effect unless I am in a real storm zone and there is a real black cloud and the tornado are going off as they were when I was in Omaha, Nebraska once upon a time.
It is people from the Manifest Son cum Sonship cum Overcomers who talk like that, say for example, people from "School of the Prophets" -- I am suspecting for sure that Brenda is part of it and maybe George Myers who also claims to get messages not heard by the rest of us as well.
Why would the New Agers ever want to threaten you, Paul, Brenda, and George. The Manifest Sons of God network is clearly part of the New Age Movement. I documented that in my second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION in the chapter "A Secret Kingdom?" and my original source material was from Ernest Ramsey, Bill Britton, Kelly Varner, Bill Hamon, Earl Paul, etc. ad nauseum.
What Paul wrote:
>I get Weekly THREATS because of >my stance in my community, as >well as the web page.
>And lately, the last 2 years from >Dewey and his Bishop goons."
They KNOW I KNOW, and when he sees me in albertsons shopping for my family or somewhere else in this small MORMAN NEW AGE town, they threaten with a handjester slash of their thumb across their throat, as if to suggest I'm going to loose my head.
Mrs Cumbey once said "There is a Black Cloud hanging over Boise"...there is very serious unseen battles in this town. "You got me killed" statement was a day all this happened in the store at Winco......it scared my kids and suprised me.
1:21 PM
Constance, I truly respected you at one time in my life, and I hope you get over this expose' that you yourself STARTED... and move on.
You have slandered me on this blog, called me a liar, made UP increadble stories about my character, demeaned other authors into the ground because they have BIBLICAL opinions that differ from yours.
You have refused to be meek/teachable, and you CONDEMN before you Investigate all sides of an issue....your basically without a Bishop over your soul, which is the Torah/Word/Instruction ie...the fruit of the spirit.
There are thousands within Christianity that you have offended, and I for one will not take it like they do/did, count on it. You started this and the ending won't be pretty. Aarons ROD WILL BEGIN BLOSSOMING IN YOUR LIFE, & believe me, it's not a comfortable disciplinary measure of YHWH, but in the end it will bring forth fruit, trust me.
I stated to you then, but you refused to believe it, that I have NEVER Heard, nor have I EVER been part of the MSG movement, nor for that matter is Eric Phelps my spiritual Father.
I do not know Brenda, George, or any other person on this blog, There is no other reason except vengence & spite for what you are doing here in your room for ALL to see, a typical loshon hara knee jerk reaction, brenda was right.
It's MORE than obvious that you have BECOME the research you have DIGESTED, & I for one, am so greatful that I took heed to the ambition of acted upon scripture when it said "Attend to the precious, the VILE will take care of itself".
http://www.nephos.com/publications.htm
Therefore, I forgive you for your slanderous SPEARS, your False witness against me, and most importantly, I forgive you for the stories you have MADE UP ON THIS BLOG to try and destroy my testimony in Mashaich Yeshua.
The e-mails are there for all to see, and it truly tells a sad story of our disagreements over several years. You used me for your own gain, & I freely gave without expecting ANY RETURN & I would post many more e-mails, but my point has been made.
Go ahead and defend yourself in front of your admirers, take a stand within yourself/psuche, and gather your arrows, in order to slay me asunder, WALK IN YOUR OWN LIGHT AND KINDLE YOUR OWN FLAME AND YOU WILL HAVE THIS OF ME SAITH YHWH, YOU WILL LIE DOWN IN SORROW......... as for me and MY HOUSE,[BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL] I will praise YESHUA.
YHWH is my defence, who saves the upright in heart.
Keep digesting the vile that you have gathered into your store house/basement, and spit it back out at others who differ from your studied assumptions.....
meanwhile,
I will attend to the precious and lay down with no sorrow......
70 TIMES 7.
Paul,
If God DID tell you to take the documents to Ms Cumbey's house 20 something years ago, then i'm sure he had a plan and will execute that plan according to his good will. I'm sure you need not worry as he is can fend for himself.
If he DIDN'T tell you....then you are either a liar, unstable, or in contact with demons.
In any case, you should pray, pray, pray. HE already knows the end from the beginning and what's in our hearts. No need to worry otherwise.
Aarons rod, hummmmmm, that was used by Moses to afflict the roudy and rebellious ones in the wilderness, didn't the law pass away though, ow thats right, jesus did away with the law....didn't he?
The only thing Paul ever sent me was as I recall were in letter sized envelopes.
Furthermore, what is on his own nephos.com site which links to a metatron communications site is MUCH MORE INTERESTING because it is all Manifest Sons of God - School of the Prophets material - and that was what Paul was into then and evidently remains in now. And by God's grace, I have now recalled the name of Paul's guru which was in the materials Paul tried to impose on me for what he said had to be the new material for my newsletter and work -- RANDY SHANKLE. The piece falling out proclaimed that just as Elias called Elijah "father," so they called Randy Shankle father because he was their father on earth." When I confronted Paul with this -- it dropped on the floor of the restaurant from Paul's binder as he was telling us that God wanted me to make this types and shadows stuff the new focus of my work. Thereafter Paul confessed all -- but obviously he did not repent of it -- his snippy comment to "anonymous" that he is not her/his guru betrays much of the evil spirits behind the gang of you! Frankly, I think I would rather take my chances with Mr. Dewey who is only repackaging and linking to Lucis Trust stuff -- that is fairly obvious. By the way, I learned of this entire operation in late 1982 reading a presentation by a Unity minister named Ernest Ramsey who was pastor of the Founder's Church of Unity on the Plaza in Kansas City, Missouri. He said that the presentation for the acceptance of their so-called "Maitreya the Christ" in the Pentecostal world was through the "Neo-Pentecostals." He identified Bill Britton of Springfield, Missouri, USA as one leading center. Two others were in upstate New York (Pinecrest, Elam?), and the other was in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I later had the opportunity to meet Ramsey and ask him -- without hesitation, he identified the Virginia Beach operation as Rock Church of Virginia Beach, Anne and John Gimenez. A real bunch of snakes, these! And they are making Eric Jon Phelps' book a command purchase for their sheeple, excuse me, people. They are also shamelessly using Barry Chamish and I now pledge that I will do all in my power to educate Barry Chamish about their real agenda. Shame on you all -- it must have kept the entire Boise congregation busy this week -- I still know what a diversion is -- while one fellow is holding up the teller, the other two go start a fight with the security guard. You are using this Dewey stuff as a diversion from your own action -- and by the way, A PRIMARY TEACHING OF THE MANIFEST SONS OF GOD/OVERCOMERS/SCHOOL OF THE PROPHETS, ETC., AD NAUSEUM is that LUCIFER IS NOT SATAN -- JUST LIKE DEWEY AND LUCIS TRUST!!!!!!!! When they have encountered me with this and then challenged me to prove it from the Bible (of course, they rejected the KJV version of Isaiah 14 -- it wasn't convenient for THAT aspect of their 'ministry'), I would ask them, "now tell me, even if it were true, who would have a vested interest in defending Lucifer's 'good name' but Lucifer himself.
For those of you who have been impressed into duty writing and contributing to this blog by this evil cult network in Boise and many other places -- they do network -- turn from this evil immediately for the sake of your soul. The modus operandi to suck you in is to put people in an altered state of consciousness by singing the same chorus/song over and over and over and over until they float into a trance and then they receive this new (age) revelation that (1) they are gods themselves; (2) Jesus was the seed corn; (3) Judah and Israel are the Jews (Judah) and Israel (the Church) -- both are to accept the new -- NOT -- 'jewish messiah'.
I divide this as I do other New Age elements into two segments: the hypnotizers and the hypnotized. The hypnotized usually end up being slaves and financial donors to the hypnotizers who usually make a very comfortable living from their spiritual groupies.
COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS .... THIS IS INDEED PART OF MYSTERY BABYLON ITSELF -- SHEEP IN WOLVES CLOTHING WITH THE FANGS OBVIOUSLY SHOWING IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY ENOUGH.
Hey, Paul, you want to be my "Bishop" and I should be taught by you as my "spiritual father" and you are going to exercise "Aaron's Rod" over me?! You are making Benedict XVI look positively wonderful by contrast! You are one deluded person. I am only thankful that your threats are publicly posted so that if anything happens to me, people will know where to start looking . . are you too running for False Prophet? One would think with all the prophesied penalties for that job and for the Anti-Christ's, nobody would want those positions, but evidently, there's competition! I urge all you readers and I am most certain some of you contributors are into it -- COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE -- this is getting even better -- now he is claiming he sent me whatever he claims to have sent me in 1982 -- a few years before I even moved to the house with THE BASEMENT where he brought the Manifest Sons of God heresies along with the "presence" of his guru, Randy Shankle!
Paul, Brenda, George: Just what is "Loshon Hara the "Ruach HaKodesh" -- sounds like cult talk buzz words to me? Or is it your bastardization of something you consider to be Hebrew and/or Greek? Just like the Randy Shankle materials Paul tried to foist off on Lee Kulpa and I in 1986!
I know New Age when I see it, I know Manifest Sons of God - Sonship - Overcomers - Neopentecostals when I see it and you are clearly IT.
EXHIBIT A: A destructive, deadly threatening cult. Whatever you do, don't go near the kool-aid if you go to see this Boise bunch!
Good Morning Constance, once again, I will try and help you with your absurd, blasphemous interpertation of things:
You ignorantly stated with the help of your SOURCE, AGAIN: "Paul, Brenda, George: Just what is "Loshon Hara the "Ruach HaKodesh" -- sounds like cult talk buzz words to me?
1)Biblical Answer: "Loshon Hara" is "The Evil Tongue" basically it means a " An Angelic or Satanic False Witness, one who speaks evil of anything & everything without cause and slanders YHWHs' creation/person only to advance the kingdom of Darkness against the LIGHT of Yeshua/Jesus.
2)Biblical Answer: "The Ruach HaKodesh", [Blessed be its MEASURE and Witness against this Demonic source of Constances constant "Loshon Hara"]..... means the Holy Spirit/Ruach HaKodesh.
Constance's source through her said: Or is it your bastardization of something you consider to be Hebrew and/or Greek? Just like the Randy Shankle materials Paul tried to foist off on Lee Kulpa and I in 1986!".... Honestly folks, what I showed her was a few more pieces of material on Dewey and his synthesis, thats why I went there in the first place, to find the original Material I had originally sent her & add to the evidence.
To whom It May Concern: Constance has said "Frankly, I think I would rather take my chances with Mr. Dewey who is only repackaging and linking to Lucis Trust stuff --
http://www.synthesisnet.com/goodwill/declaration.html
http://www.thenewagesite.com
http://www.greaterthings.com
Constance, go for it, be linked to your St. Benedict & the Jesuit General/System/Black Pope, who just called for "World Peace", & the Mormon False Prophet Deweys' main synthesis, and join the people you had a chance to research back in 83, which you wrote about in "Hidden Dangers" but TOTALLY FAILED in seeing the OBVIOUS, instead OFFENDING THOUSANDS WITHIN BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL.
Constance, your trapped in a "HIDDEN DANGER" : Your confession is based on your belief, which is based on your thinking, which is based on your knowledge, which is based on your "Loshon Hara"/SOURCE.
Which ALL ON THIS BLOG CAN SEE is NOT THE RUACH HAKODESH.
"You shall know them by their Fruit"......sorry Constance, you CONSTANTLY speak on THIS ISSUE @ this time from a tree that BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL.. have been COMMANDED NOT TO EAT FROM
...Psalms 1.1-6.
Anonymous above
Get a life!
What are you going to do?
Bash Constance because
she asked what
"Loshon Hara the "Ruach HaKodesh"
means?
Many people don't use those terms
with familiarity.
I bet she'd kick yer butt with just
a grain of the terminology she uses
that YOU are not familiar with.
Tomato- Tomatoe
Move on
Judaism doen't hold a copyright on terms used in the religion, but at least get them right if you insist on using them.
Lashon Hara" – (f., not usually found in the plural); slander or malicious gossip, whether true or false. “Lashon Hara,” and general inconsiderateness and hostility towards one’s fellow human beings, was one of the principal reasons for the destruction of the Second Temple.
There are times Lashon Hara is permitted and that is to protect one's fellow man from being hurt. Constance Cumbey was preventing readers of her blog from being hurt by the manipulative talk of another.
"Ruach HaKodesh" - (f.); the Divine Spirit; as in "Sefer Tehilim nichtav beRuach HaKodesh," "The Book of Psalms was written with the inspiration of the Divine Spirit"
http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/index.htm
All seem to be missing the point. Constance has slandered many WELL know Christians, as well as Messianic authors over the years and SPECIFICALLY "PAUL"on this BLOG.
The e-mails tell the story of what exactly is going on here between the 2.
Eric Phelps, Barry Chamish, Paul as well as Constance Cumbey have written much about the SAME THING!
When you go fishing and catch your dinner, one has to pick out the bones in order to get to the meat.
So it is with these excellent authors. You have to spit out the bones in order to get to the meat of what they are saying, and find an understanding that satisfys your hunger.
Constance has/had a 1st EXCELLENT book, "Hidden Dangers", but MANY disagree with her 2nd book because she attacks with presumption her OWN brothers & Sisters with an almost Anti Reformational stand, though she professes to be a Baptist Christian.
Eric has given an EXCELLENT history of the Jesuits with an Israelite Battle Flare, but goes over the top on slamming the Catholic church and the Black Pope and his CFR & RIIA insurgents.
Barry, has re-written the history of Masonic intrigue into a political thriller, and a best seller attitude has cost him his reputation in the Israeli Government for his INVESTIGATIVE ZEAL because he throws the UFO thing in.
Paul has re-established the BASIC tenents of The Northern/Southern Kingdoms foundational Structure in order for the regathering of both houses of Israel to assemble, but lacks the brides co-operation because she's stuck in the Babylonian CHURCHANITY Structure of Paganism.
Spit out the bones and you WILL see what is going on here, YHWH HAS SENT SOME TILTERS INTO THE 2 HOUSE RELM, and when the smoke clears, BECAUSE OF THEIR EGOS BEING INVOLVED INSTEAD OF DEAD!!! ....things will all work out for the greater glory of ZION.
Oatmeal is very nourishing and doesn't require any spitting out of bones. Sometimes information is just valuable in itself and doesn't need sorting. Constance Cumbey's material doesn't need someone on the outside saying what is or what isn't valuable.
Its just to easy to write for yourself by yourself as anonymous isn't it Constance?
Oatmeal is good for you, as well as hearty, its great to start the day with after a good nites sleep without sorrow. It even makes great cookies, love the stuff....selah.
anonymous,
You aren't as anonymous as you believe.
Think Deep while you play with the oatmeal.
As usual, you can order my English books; Shabtai Tzvi, Labor Zionism And The Holocaust; Save Israel!; Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin; Israel Betrayed; The Last Days of Israel; from chamish@netvision.net.il
The horse is dead. Really.
Defiantly Hers & Yours.....
.....but not mine, Barry's or Eric's, though, a VERY Prophetic Statement Al, Thanks Jer 12.5
Though WE ALL HERE may differ ADAMENTLY, one still has a heart.
Yeshua,
It only comes once every four years,
This surprise of a day-
Twenty-four hours,
One Thousand Four Hundred & Fourty minutes.
Shall I think of this
As an unexpected bonus
An unexpected holiday
An unexpected invitation to indolence?
Or
Shall I think of it as a rare gift
that requires special
handling?
Yes, thats it.
I'll give these hours,
these minutes, to you
With an unexpected visit,
An unexpected donation,
An unexpected prayer of gratitude
For all the days
You lavish upon me.
Barry, don't run from what is here any more than you run from what is happening in Israel.
Yes, I prefer to remain anonymous because of the game that is very old....turn the spotlight on the individual and avoid the information. It's an old leftist (communist) technique. How interesting that the New Age people here align themselves with the political left. And yes, the fascist left is aligned with the New Age one world religion. How interesting.
Constance is very bold in speaking for herself. My anonymous comments speak for themselves, just as the other anonymous comments do. Why should I out myself when others do not.
I write under my own name -- not anonymously. If somebody posts as "anonymous," it wasn't me. I don't tell others what to write for me either. I once was a speechwriter -- but I do not use speechwriters or ghostwriters. I have no apology for attacking:
1. Kansas City Prophets
2. School of the Prophets
3. Manifest Sons of God
or any other Christian group, so called, which chooses to tell us THE BIG LIE that (1) we are gods; and (2) we are the generation that will break the bonds of death.
I have real problems with people who tell me they are anti-Catholic and then use RANDY SHANKLE or PAT ROBERTSON or somebody else as their own personal pope!
As far as church goes, I am most comfortable wherever Jesus Christ is not denied. Unfortunately, Manifest Sons of God denominations do deny him -- they preach a very different Jesus with a very different gospel. And I most definitely am NOT a member of Eric Jon Phelps' phony WHITE 5TH MONARCHY CALVINIST 7TH DAY BAPTIST church -- no such church that I know of -- and why does he proclaim his race with it? The vile cursing language Paul uses -- the ganging up by the MSOG sock puppets -- all these help convince me that you are dealing with spirits all right -- but most likely not the Holy one!
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
May 3, 2005
I'm so VERY grateful that I was brought up in a loving, caring, Messianic family.
Mother would start Shabbat service with her Candles, and Abba would pray, and pray,.....and pray,....and pray,.....and well, you who KNOW get the picture, that no evil would overcome his children AT ANY TIME & ALL OF US would be safe to see another day & AT night we would lay down and sleep without sorrow.
I loved the smell of the Sabbath day evening meal, as the aroma seemed to overtake my hunger for things offered unto the L-rd/YHWH.
As a child trained up in the way I...he/she should go, that one wouldn't depart from it, I carry that blessed memory from my Mother, G-d rest her soul, and show my own children that VERY same love and understanding that THEY IMPARTED to me.
I thank G-d that I have been watched over for the last 25 years, especially for being obedient, and representing truth with living works that prove my beliefs & responsibility TO/TOWARDS YHWH, & thus THEY being responsible for me.
I have been privileged to have fellowshiped some of the greatest 2 house Statesman/women in the 20th & 21st century.
I have seen remarkable advances within the MESSIANIC KINGDOM OF YHWH, and I have been blessed to be able to serve as a SERVANT, and part of THE move by the Ruach HaKodesh, to re-establish the foundation of that unstopable move/advance, on behalf of BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL.
I do regret one thing though, that I was involved in a dangerous series of events back in the early 80's, where, if I didn't know who I was in YESHUA, I would not be here this very day being totally honest with you right now.
That's why this reflection is so Important, YESHUA is YHWH, his Paraclete, the RUACH HAKODESH, was & STILL IS the guide, the cloudy pillar sort to speak, that OVERSHADOWING that saved me form the DEWEY group that Constance asked me to get info on back in 83 & senfd to her, which I DID. Thats a given and she has admitted to it, selah.
I'm not involved in anything that she has Accused me of being in, and I am taken back by her constant CHARACTER ASSASSINATIONS of my Person & the G-D I worship in Spirit and TRUTH.
Therefore, to set the RECORD straight, and in order for ALL OF US to BE delivered from "The CULT of CONSTANCE Accusations", I lay myself out, again, to be demonized and crucified by her.
I belong to, and have always been a Messianic Israelite, my Fellowship is with MANY, and my works IN YESHUA are there for ALL TO SEE, unlike constance, I DO NOT HIDE behind fig leaves and Aprons.
http://www.hebroots.org/#Teaching
I am Totally OPEN BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE & KNOW WHO MY COVERING IS....SELAH
http://www.nephos.com/shaft%20shock%20awe.htm
....and after 23 years of being in the "Cult of Constance Accusations" I've been delivered..... AGAIN!
YESHUA IS YHWH, HIS PARACLETE IS THE RUACH HAKODESH, and I am part of the TILTERS in the land at this time in MESSIANIC TSIYOWNISMS' GREATEST HOUR... http://www.nephos.com/MessianicIsraell.html
"What you now are about to do Constance , do quickly, that others may see Your Works.
Habakkuk 2:1 outlines the watchmans vow:
"I will stand ON MY guard post &...keep watch to see what HE will speak to me."
While there is a collective call for watchman, the call to be "A" watchman is given on an individual basis - because YHWH has a different post for each of us.
Each NOTZRIM has a position, a place to occupy, a job to do. When one of us FAILS CONSTANCE to watch over our given post and over steps the MEASURE/Metron, that YHWH ORIGINALLY GAVE YOU(Rom 2:23,& 24), then, there is a hole in the collective wall that GUARDS Israel, BOTH HOUSES. Each position is important to the well being of the WHOLE COMMUNITY: The preists needs the farmer, for without him, he will not eat.The farmer needs the priest, for he "preserves knowledge" of the Holy One(Malachi 2:7) All need the GODLY mother within ALL Israel, both houses, for she raises up the next generation. All need the taylor, the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker. Each has a chosen position, and EACH should walk in that position as unto YHWH,Yeshua,& the Ruach HaKodesh.
EACH NOTZRIM MUST listen for the VIOCE of the Holy One. Each must cry out: "O El ELOHE ISRAEL, what would you say to me? For the Father has a part for each of us to playin his GLORIOUS FINAL PLAN FOR THE RESTORED HOUSE OF ISRAEL.(Jer 29:11;1 Cor 14:26.)
Do yourself a favor Constance and Re-read Isaiah 30.
Paul, I'm very glad you get some comfort from the Jewish side of your beliefs, but in return you need to do something for those who have been making sure Jewish beliefs are there to lean on. From what I can see, Constance Cumbey has done more to make others aware of the antisemitism in the New Age movement than you have done. In fact you align yourself with those who would destroy Judaism and Christianity.
Your pride is overwhelming as you think you speak for God while you tell others what their role is. You throw references to passages in the Bible around like confetti, never taking anything in context. The Jewish side of your belief system should tell you that Jews who study the Torah look at all passages in context to make sure an interpretation is not just a personal preference. You throw references around like a karate dude whipping the air in order to destroy the opponent. That's not what religion is about.
Hows that for context.
Obviously you have not read the E-mails and have not seen the personal Slander & Demonic hearsay Constance has accused me of.
You said, "Your pride is overwhelming as you think you speak for God while you tell others what their role is."
I know my role....I'm defending the Measure, the VOW that YHWH has given me from a person/Constance who says I'm a liar, involved in a cult, and slanders the G-d I worship in SPIRIT & TRUTH.....By ALL MEANS, if her accuations against me are true, then SHE NEEDS TO SHOW ME WHO YHWH IS! Because HER SOURCE,her Knowledge, her thinking, her BELIEF, HER CONFESSION THAT is ACCUSING ME OF THESE THINGS IS CERTAINLY NOT WHO I WORSHIP.
Jer 1:10, a true prophetic vioce ALSO BUILDS & PLANTS....I SEE NONE of that from her MOUTH, therefore "you shall know them by their fruit"......NOT THEIR RELIGION...OY VEY, get a clue, and show me your FAITH BY YOUR WORKS not your opinions, their fruitless..
Skip the "OY VEY, get a clue...." You are giving Jews and Christians a bad rep. First Cumbey had trouble with SqueakBox and now you are clogging up her blog. He went back to Wikipedia and you should go back to your own website. We all know where it is. Using Kabbalah on your opening page, by the way, makes you sound pretentious rather than. I'm sure if you are really a New Testament Prophet God will send more people to your website.
I think this should become officially over! Whoever it is that keeps clogging up this blog thread should let go and let God. Ranting on an on in angry tyrades is far from Godly at this point because, if anything, your martyrdom rant is well taken.
Thanks
P.S. Life goes on. Live and let die. Read these things and let it soak in. Take your beef with Constance to Jesus and let it die--believe me He can handle it. :)
Why should Paul stop? Constance owes Barry, Eric, and the "School Of The Prophets", the Kansas City Prophets"/Paul Cain/Mike Bickel & "Manifested Sons of God" Noel Alaxander, an explination for her slander against thoes Men of VERY "Assemblies of GOD" Churches due to her 2nd book sales.
Ow that's right, ALL OF THOSE VERY FRUITFUL Assemblies, with mission cells ACROSS the globe, and ties to Paul Youngie Chow church in South Korea with over 200,000 "Faithful Tongue talkin" Intercession Praying Believers that are stopping North Korea fron NUKIN the whole Place.... are a cult! I see what you say Paul, Barry, and Eric, your sites are not a cult, and Paul your foundational stand in "Patria" is exciting, and the visitation is even more increadable as its relation too "Angles on Assignment is concerned.
It's RATHER obvious that your Fellowship with the Torah/WORD developed into a wonderful relationship with Jesus/Yeshua, SHUT THE MOUTHS OF THE LION IN THIS ROOM!
The situation here is very interesting. The e-mails clearly shows a betrayal of trust and friendship, by a woman who seems to have manipulated the one she befriended in order to recieve the information she needed to support her evidence on the New Age movement.
The conversation then turns into a false anger by Constance when she discovers that the e-mails were posted in order to tell the truth on Erics' position.
My question is, how did Constance get Erics book, did "Paul" send it to her?
And is that the reason she attacks Paul and Eric together because she thinks they both are involved with each other, and represent this so called cult of the new age?
This is better than the Michael Jackson trial.
"Have I now become your enemy by teling you the truth?" (Galatians 4:16)
Look, I'm not trying to be contentious, but I did make a slight request that it stop because of a very legitimate reason--the blog thread is enormous now. I've been trying to read it and it is filled with off-the-topic stuff. Paul is not the only reader of this blogsite--no offense to Paul.
To go a step further, in his zeal to seek retribution, he has only smeered his reputation in the eyes of others in his effort to wipe the floor with Constance. For the sake of the argument, even if she is wrong, do two wrongs make a right. You don't have to be a born again Christian to know this universal truth. Sin + Sin = Sin.
Sin + being Covered up by love = Grace and reconciliation, even if one of the parties allegedly refuses to apologize.
The Bible says, "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins." (1 Peter 4:8)
You and anybody else, if you are who you say you are (supposedly saved sanctified Christians who believe in the Jesus of the Bible), then you'll heed these words and put an end to this and move on. Otherwise, you're something other than Disciples of the One and Only God in flesh, Christ Jesus.
Lord Jesus, the One and Only whose glory has been revealed to the world, please bring peace between Mr. Paul and Ms. Cumbey. Only the Comforter that you have sent can touch the hearts and minds of those who have been hurt in this "room". Have your way Oh Lord, have your own way. Amen.
God Bless You All, :)
thetruth
A farmer had some puppies he needed to sell. He painted a sign advertising the 4 pups. And set about nailing it to a post on the edge of his yard. As he was driving the last nail into the post, he felt a tug on his overalls. He looked down into the eyes of a little boy.
"Mister," he said, "I want to buy "one of your puppies."
"Well," said the farmer, as he rubbed the sweat off the back of his neck, "These puppies come from fine parents and cost a good deal of money."
The boy dropped his head for a moment. Then reaching deep into his pocket, he pulled out a handful of change and held it up to the farmer.
"I've got thirty-nine cents. Is that enough to take a look?"
"Sure," said the farmer. And with that he let out a whistle. "Here, Dolly!" he called.
Out from the doghouse and down the ramp ran Dolly followed by four little balls of fur.
The little boy pressed his face against the chain link fence. His eyes danced with delight.
As the dogs made their way to the fence the little boy noticed something else stirring inside the doghouse.
Slowly another little ball appeared, this one noticeably smaller. Down the ramp it slid.
Then in a somewhat awkward manner, the little pup
began hobbling toward the others, doing it's best to catch up....
"I want that one," the little boy said, pointing to the runt.
The farmer knelt down at the boy's side and said, "Son, you don't want that puppy. He will never be able to run and play with you like these other dogs would."
With that the little boy stepped back from the fence, reached down, and began rolling up one leg of his trousers.
In doing so he revealed a steel brace running down both sides of his leg attaching itself to a specially made shoe.
Looking back up at the farmer, he said, "You see sir, I don't run too well myself, and he will need someone who understands."
With tears in his eyes, the farmer reached down and picked up the little pup.Holding it carefully he handed it to the little boy.
"How much?" asked the little boy.
"No charge,"answered the farmer, "There's no charge for love."
Constant can't take the TRUTH. She has stepped WAY OVER THE LINE ON THIS ONE AGAIN, INDEPENDENTLY I MIGHT ADD FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT AGAIN, and that is why MANY BELIEVE SHE HAS GONE/IS MAD!
She SLANDERS MEN OF FAITH WHO HAVE BEEN RAISED UP FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS.
OBVIOUSLY, this wont stop till she repents of her PRESUMPTIONS, betrayal, and SLANDEROUS ASSUMPTIONS about her OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
STUBBORNNESS IS AS THE SIN OF WICHCRAFT, and after becoming the research she has put into her brain "TO RESCUE US ALL" she missed the mark of truly being part of the HOUSE OF FAITH!
Paul forgave her on MANY LEVELS, and she still goes after him, Eric, Barry, AND A HOST OF OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.....what Spirit does that?
IT
I deleted the lengthy interview of Eric Jon Phleps not because I wished to practice censorship on this board, but because (1) its length; and (2) it was obviously cut and pasted from another website. If you want to make it available for people to read here, please use a link instead. Short quotes are fine; but cutting and pasting entire chapters are not appropriate here. If you want to do that, please consider setting up your own blogspot and then if you want to come over here and invite people to your own spot, be my guest! Since the blogspot is generally free it is a real deal!
Terry,
I am reading your quotes from Chamish -- I might ask "Booch" if he is reading to jump in on this one, but the Catholics in general and Jesuits in particular controlling Great Britain is certainly news to me -- it was generally controlled hostile country for Catholics, as I understand it from Queen Elizabeth II on -- also, a notion I found in Phelps' book of "Episcopalian Jesuits" is certainly intriguing and to my historical training, imaginative! Even Catholic countries had highly anticlerical administrations: Mexico (1926-1935); Spain (1936); Portugal -- it strikes me that before they would want to win the Protestant countries back, they would probably want to start first with the Catholic ones, and given the anticlerical history of Europe from about 1799 on, it looks to me like any Jesuit power (if it ever existed in the form that the Alberto comic books, ISIS UNVEILED Theosophical Society (Lucifer oriented); and the multitude of books, some even by personal friends of mine such as John Barela non-critically taking it as gospel because it Catholic bashes, are based themselves on either unsupported statements or questionable sources. ALBERTO generously employed Lady Jane Queensborough who was obviously anti-Jewish and anti-Jehovah. The ALBERTO reference that Jim Jones, clearly a BIG TIME NEW AGER was a Jesuit is a joke -- Jim Jones was married, I believe, at age 18 and the Jesuits whatever their heterorthodoxy and faults, are known for requiring a long and rigorous educational program before being allowed to be a member of their order. My own mother believed these old Jesuit theories -- but before her death, she told me she was rethinking them -- my grandmother, a Church of the Nazarene Sunday School teacher for 50 years whose mind was clear and sharp until she died just before what would have been her 100th birthday told me one day that the Lord had shown her clearly that she was to repent of her anti-Catholic bigotry. She had refused to attend a couple of her many, many grandchildren's weddings because they were marrying Catholics. Grandma told me that she had repented and urged me to do so likewise.
We are in an age of deception and the deception was enough to even deceive the elect -- Jesus warned and Paul warned the Thessalonians that those who would be saved would have received the love of the truth. The lies in Phelps' book are so very exaggerated -- and I notice that the obvious New
Agers in the Catholic Church are not tackled: Matthew Fox (now excommunicated and an Episcopalian priest who still speaks in many Protestant churches as well as Unity and New Age denominations); Thomas Berry (the 'geologian') who many Protestant earthworshipping, ooops, "earthkeeping" denominations seem to have no trouble with -- and so many others -- it looks to me like Phelps' book and thrust is to pit orthodox/fundamentalist Christians against orthodox/fundamentalist Christians. "Cursed is he who does the Lord's work deceitfully." J'accuse Jon Eric Phelps of at least doing that if he is convinced he is right; but I saw enough New Age indicators in his writings, his sources, and his publishers to figure out where this "White, Freeman, Fifth Monarchy, Calvinist, 7th Day Baptist" WHATEVER is coming from ... The spirit behind him which has included crude language from one purporting Christianity makes it ever so clear to me that this is most likely demonic!
Thank you for removing the garbage which stinks not only of anti-Catholicism and antisemitism, but also denegrates the intelligence of the Protestant community by affiliation.
"Hate the monotheists" material has a long history. Sometimes it appears in a crude form, . Other times it parades as intellectual research. Those who have watched it for many years know and aren't fooled.
The kind of information that has been posted here by followers of Phelps is like a worm in the brain. It infiltrates, causes harm, it takes in those who are weak and trusting. It is a hateful thing to do to others who do not have the time to check out every fact. In the long run it destroys the very community it pretends to protect.
Those who push this material will answer to God for the destruction they are causing.
I don't know who the last "anonymous" poster was, but many thanks for a concise, well said and oh-so-right post!
Constance E. Cumbey
May 5, 2005
I just removed another post that was a post by me copied by another and cut and pasted back. I will remove any posts that duplicate other posts or that purport to be my name -- if I haven't deleted same, consider it EXHIBIT A!
Constance
May 5, 2005
This artical was deleted by the website administrator...... "This post has been removed by the blog administrator." ....the deletion SAYS it ALL.
http://www.nephos.com/Constant%20Rantings.htm
"They are also shamelessly using Barry Chamish and I now pledge that I will do all in my power to educate Barry Chamish about their real agenda."
Don't bother Constance, Barry got ahold of me and said "I told her I met Phelps and he didn't appear anti-Semitic to me.
End. Barry.
"I truly don't know why all the fuss. Barry"
Your ASSUMPTIONS..WOW!....the bunch in Boise? You have NO Idea what your talking about Constance, again I forgive you, I'm not into ANY OF the stuff you are accusing me of, I attend Central Assembly, An Assemblies Of God Church in Boise,.....your guessing again.
Dear Paul,
They are trying so very hard to marginalize me now and the information needs to be mainstreamed. I don't know IF SOLANA IS THE ONE OR NOT -- if you
watched my disk, I said, "your guess as to the antichrist's identity is as good as mine -- but Javier Solana could well be an educated guess -- certainly a better guess than Juan Carlos." As long as this is qualified
in this manner, you are free (I guess this is still America) to say what you want. I wonder how long until they charge us with incitement? Be very careful. We are dealing with slick, dangerous people.
Constance
cumbey@
After Constance e-maild this to me, I contacted Eric and said:
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
To: Eric
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:05 PM
Subject: Fw: Another who wants to HELP
Eric...../4/6/05
I NEED YOU to respond to this E-mail as soon as you have the time:
Constance Cumbey responded to an e-mail I sent her last week on a few things Barry wrote and asked me if I had her CD? I said no, gave her my address and she sent it to my P.O.Box in Boise. Her CD is on the WEU and Solana, and HAS NOT made the Jesuit connections that Barry and you have.....YET!
She has, as you know, written the book, "Hidden dangers of the Rainbow."
She is a lawyer, and I think it would be prudent AT THIS TIME to send her a FREE copy of the "first printing book" soft bound, if you have any available. If not send her the CDs'.
She would be a great person to get this info too, and it would be great to have her in this understanding at this particular TIME.
I've got a last copy of a soft bound, & I'll send that if you are sold out.
I truly believe, it would shore up all her loose ends where her research is concerned.
Seed into her ministry Eric, she should be able to put the remaining
pieces together, and just might be able to, as a Lawyer, take some action in areas not YET taken in.
Her address is:
Constance Cumbey
Attorney @ Law
[Yada, Yada, Yada,]
Tell her that I recommended sending her the material.
Get back with me as soon as you send it off, and I will tell her it is coming, if you need to charge her for it, get back with me and I will take care of the payment.
Thanks.
Paul .
I then receive a response back from Eric....Notice the Dates?
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: Paul
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Fw:Fw: Another who wants to HELP
Dear Paul,
Sorry about the delay in replying.
I have no more books to offer. In about three months my final edition will be released on CD. Then I will send a copy to Ms. Cumbey.
Keep in touch.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
To: Eric
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Fw:Fw: Another who wants to HELP
That's great Eric, she's starting to feel "like her research was all for nothing", and this will tie up many loose ends for her. She told me that others/"They are trying so very hard to marginalize me now and the information needs to be mainstreamed."
Send me the bill, and I'll take care of it.
Paul.
And the rest is Chaos/History. I sent Constance the book and SHE writes Eric To ask her first question, WHEN ALL, I/WE TRIED TO DO WAS HELP HER AFTER SHE WROTE BACK TO ME SAYING "They are trying so very hard to marginalize me now.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
To: Eric
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Another who wants to HELP
I sent Constance my Soft bound copy with the disc, that should suffice for now.
I'll get the VAIII when it comes out on CD.....Now, the softbound book is VAII right?
Get back to me when you can.
Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: Paul
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Another who wants to HELP
Dear Paul,
I believe you have the First Edition of Vatican Assassins -- the Second Edition is spiral bound. Both are not available as a printed book. VAIII should be available sometime after August 2005. We can still supply VAII on CD if you so desire. I await your reply.
Sincerely,
Danita
So, I send Constance the FIRST BOOK, soft bound, it takes a few days to get there, then on the 26th of April I get a post back from Erics wife that says.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Danita
To: Paul
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:03 AM
Subject: Fw: I believe you are a New Ager -- convince me otherwise!
Dear Paul,
I do not know why Mrs. Cumbey attacked Eric in this manner, however, I thought you would be interested in reading the following exchange.
Sincerely,
Danita.
---- Original Message -----
From: Constance E. Cumbey
To: eric@[deleted]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: I believe you are a New Ager -- convince me otherwise!
I have an open mind. Just because you used Lady Jane Queensborough, Nesta Webster, and Helena Petrovna Blavatsky as your sourcesl just because you used Spectrum.org as your distributor; because you used Eustace Mullins (a protege of Theosophist Ezra Pound) -- apart from those factors, why shouldn't I conclude you are a self-conscious New Ager?
And please tell me what this religion is supposed to be:
Eric Jon Phelps, White American Freeman
Dispensational, Fifth Monarchy, Seventh-Day Baptist-Calvinist
Now, I know Ellen G. White, but who are you?
CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY
cumbey@....[deleted]
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Eric Jon Phelps:
Dear Ms. Cumbey,
Thank you for contacting me.
As you can see, I have addressed you by name which is a courtesy that cultured adults should render to one another, especially those of us who profess to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ of AV1611 Reformation Bible. I would appreciate it if you would render the came courtesy to me in the future.
Indeed, I quote the individuals you cite below, but what about the other 200 or so sources I quote in VA? What about the Bible-believing men and women such as Charles Chiniquy, Luigi Desanctis, M. F. Cusack, Theodor Greisinger, G. B. Nicolini and a host of others? I quote the words of other peoples, including the antichrist Popes, Black Muslims and Jesuit-controlled New Agers simply because they wrote the truth about a certain person, place or thing.
Do you have a problem with this? Did not the Apostle Paul quote a truth spoken by a pagan Greek poet as a precursor to the preaching of the gospel on Mars' hill (Acts 17:27-28)? Was not Abram rebuked for his sin of lying by a sun-worshipping, Egyptian Pharaoh ( Genesis 12:18-20)? Pagans and infidels at times speak the truth and we can be instructed or rebuked by them for our betterment. Further, the quoting of a host of different sources gives greater credibility to any thesis; this tactic I have employed.
Ms. Cumbey, the truth is the truth, regardless of who speaks it. The absolute Truth is, as you must know, the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6) and thus his written Word, which is the mere extension of Himself; Both are eternal. I pass all things through the grid of the written Word of God as championed and given to us by the Protestant Reformation. If you would have read my book, you would have never brazenly and coldly attacked me, as though I am your inferior owing you an explanation for my work. In your future inquiries, I would suggest that you err on the side of caution if you are in question as to the beliefs of a total stranger whose work you have never fully digested.
Concerning Spectrum, yes it does advocate New Age doctrine which I fully reject as a AV1611 Bible believer on the true Lord Jesus Christ. But what has that to do with the law of contract when entering a commercial agreement with another party? If I would have contracted with St. Martin's Press, would that mean that I am a Roman Catholic of a member of Opus Dei? When you buy a new automobile from one of the "big three," does that mean you are an active party in the quest for the Pope's One World Government, as those automakers have financed the Black Pope's Fascism, Nazism, Zionism and Soviet Communism in the past? As you know, the law of contract keeps the parties separate, and thus I am never unequally yoked with unbelievers.
You then ask me "what religion is this?" concerning the adjectives behind my name? Again you are being brash and uncouth. But I will indulge you since you used the word "Please." Regarding the terms you highlighted, I am White; that pertains to my race. I am an American; that pertains to my nationality. I am a Freeman--a term utilized extensively in both the law and past history--; that pertains to my political status. I am Dispensational (not Covenant); that pertains to my eschatological understanding of the Word of God, always maintaining the right distinctions between the Jews, the Gentiles and the Church of God (I Cor.10:32). I am Fifth Monarchy (which term was first descriptively used in the Sixteenth Century); that pertains to the Fifth and final World Empire (Daniel 7:13-14) to be governed by the Lord Jesus Christ on earth during his millennial kingdom (Rev. 20:4). I am a Seventh-Day Baptist; I hold the Seventh Day to be the Lord's Day, on which day I rest and worship as did the Seventh Day Baptists before me; I hold to the seven Baptist distinctives, including the separation of an organized Church from being supported and thus controlling (or being controlled by) an organized Civil government. Thanks to the Virginia and Rhode Island Baptist-Calvinists, we have the Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution. I am a Calvinist; I hold to the Doctrines of Grace while espousing the use of "The Sword of Just Defense" as did John Knox and my Calvinist forefathers, without whom there would be no United States of America or historic Reformed Western Civilization.
And by your final question at the bottom of your missive, are you insinuating that I am involved in the occult as was the Jewish Chief Priest, Sceva, when the demon asked him,
"Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are you?" (Acts 19:15)?
Apparently so, as you do not KNOW Ellen G. White, the false prophetess, but only know OF her, as she has been dead for many years.
Quite frankly, knowing that you are an attorney, I am taken back by your most brash attack based on no preceding due diligence. Please apologize for your extremely unprofessional, impersonal and most crucially, your unbiblical approach to me (Gal. 6:1), or contact me no more.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric.
----- Original Message -----
From: Constance E. Cumbey
To: Eric Jon Phelps
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: I believe you are a New Ager -- convince me otherwise!
Dear Eric,
I am so happy to know that the demons you quoted were the "truthful ones." I am somewhat surprised to learn that Jesus didn't exist prior to the AV1611 Reformation Bible. The next time you sit down and read it, why don't you dwell on Deuteronomy 18 for awhile? I will take the time it deserves to read and respond carefully. Thank you for your prompt response.
Sincerely,
(Mrs.) Constance E. Cumbey
cumbey@[deleted]www.cumbey.blogspot.com
-----------------------------------
From: Eric Jon Phelps
To: Constance E. Cumbey
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: I believe you are a New Ager -- convince me otherwise!
Dear Constance,
We are finished.
You have insulted me for the last time.
Goodbye.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
And that Folks is the TRUTH ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS SITUATION, notice the link to Constance's BLOGSPOT on HER SECOND E-MAIL TO ERIC, at the end where she says Sincerely? If I may make an OBSERVATION PLEASE....I KNOW NON SINCERITY WHEN I SEE IT!!!
Frankly, I really don't wish to communicate with you anymore, Constance, your scary, you come off as a FRIEND at first, then when you get what you want, or try and get what you want, you turn on thoes/ME that are trying to help you.
Therefore, I repeat my ORIGINAL STATEMENT, START FOCUSING ON THE 1st BOOK AGAIN, Hidden Dangers, HERE IS YOUR TARGET AGAIN!!!!!!
J.J.DEWEY./ "THE" FALSE PROPHET
http://www.synthesisnet.com/goodwill/declaration.html
http://www.thenewagesite.com
http://www.greaterthings.com
HE IS A Morman/FREEMASON/MASONIC. "THE TWIN SYSTEM OF THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT"!
Here's the solution "FROM SCRIPTURE":
http://www.nephos.com/patriapage69.htm
___________________________________
SENT: 5/14/2005 10:05pm:
1. What type of comment would you like to send? Praise
2. What do you want to comment on? Web Site
3. Other: http://www.nephos.com/Latter%20Day%20Saints.htm
4. Enter your comments in the space provided below: Well, Paul, I still don\\\'t know where you are coming from, but I was pleasantly surprised to read this page on your site which does contain good Scriptural discernment. It appears to be an entirely different spirit from that displayed at times on my blogspot and certainly superior to that of Eric Jon Phelps. I am referring to the link cited -- I have not read your whole site.
5. Name: Constance E. Cumbey
6. Email: cumbey@yahoo.com
7. URL: www.cumbey.blogspot.com
8. Assembly:
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Blogger, I was just passing by on my search for things about New Age Spiritual on
the Net, and dropped in on your blog. I was looking for stuff for my New Age Spiritual site. Not
sure that your blog was exactly what I needed, but I enjoyed my visit all the same.
Have you ever considered the potential historical role of Father Wlodimir Ledochowski S.J. Superior General 1915-1942?
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/
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So the reality is..... that if one studys to show THEMSELVES approved... one will be able to rightly divide the word of truth, and IF one CONTINUES in the truth...then indeed they will know the truth..... and that truth CONTINUED IN will set them free. Study to show yourselves approved.
As an objective party who does not know or support anyone mentioned in this blog, and who has never read a book by either Phelps or Cumbey, I perceived immediately the following:
1. Paul never stalked Constance
2. Whether Paul is right or wrong, he is honest in telling his story.
3. Eric Phelps, whatever he wrote about bloodbaths, did not ever call for anyone's bloodshed. From the quote in the blog I could see that he attributed bloodshed to the "way" of a third party entity. His language was revelatory of another entity's methods and not suggestive. Constance falsely accuses him.
4. Over the period of several posts, Constance incrementally shifts language to morph an original idea into something quite different than its intended meaning, specifically related to points one and two above.
Regardless of the substance of the discussion, Constance misrepresents the nature of others' words and actions.
Whether it is deliberate or not is not for me to judge.
Since this post is replete with the opinions of others, I hope mine will be welcome as well.
...continued from my 7:10PM post: Furthermore, If my briefcase accidentally spilled onto the floor, you might see information from all sorts of organizations, which fact would not indicate my support of any of them. Finally, discerning an error in someone's presentation is not the same as condemning the person. This is posted at 7:34PM on Monday, May 18, 2009. Thank you.
Hi, Mr. Eric,
Don't know if You are still active on this site, but, if You are, I would like to ask You some questions. Firs of all thanks for revealing the truth about the "Whore of Babylon" - Vatican homo-paedophilic crime syndicate. I have been studying Your stuff for a while now. But I am intrigued how You like to quote the Bible, which has been edited, censured, and put together by these Roman, later Vatican, oligarchy at Nicea meeting in 476 AC, and rewritten many times after by them. Don't You think that if they are nowadays distorting the truth, they didn't distort the truth also when they took control over Christianity, as it posed the threat to the Authorities of the Roman Empire, as Jmmanuel' (Jesus') Ideology promoted freedom and self-culture, and founded false "Christianity", which is also nowadays "Christianity". How is it when You know this You still quote and believe in the false teachings of the book, "the Bible", which they - Roman (Catholic) Oligarchy - wrote? Don’t You think that those teachings were also fabricated by them. Also. You probably know about the prophecy of Isaiah about “Jesus”, being something like “… and a virgin (proper translation being: “a young woman”) will bear a child, and his name will be Emanuel (proper translation being: “Jmmanuel”), meaning god among us (proper translation being: “the one with godly knowledge” or “the one with knowledge about God – Creator”). How did his name changed into “Jesus (Christ)”, as, “by coincidence”, Romans had a deity named Janus (of the Sun), known also as Minerva. What is also interesting is that although Jmmanuel, who is nowadays wrongly known as Jesus, was born on 2nd of February, we are nowadays celebrating Christmas, birth of Jmmanuel – “Jesus Christ”, on 25th December. But we know that the Sun reaches its lowest point, on 21 December, then it stays there for three days, and starts to rise again on 25th December. Which means that Christmas is really a celebration of “Birth of the Sun” covered by the excuse of “Jesus (Christ’s)” birth. You probably know that today “Christianity” really is continuation of Ancient Egyptian, later Summerian, later Babylonian, later Ancient Greece, later Ancient Roman, and nowadays Vatican, Jesuit , Freemasonic, etc. pagan worshiping of the Sun Logos, covered behind falsified Jmmanuel’ (Jesus’) teachings. Also, have You heard about Eduard Albert "Billy" Meier, the reincarnation of the Spirit of Jmmanuel (Jesus), and his teachings, particularly "Talmud of Jmmanuel & Forgery in Christianity"? What do You think about him? So, I would like to ask You, if You are still active on this page and are willing to answer to my questions, to, please, send Your answers to one of my email addresses: Horustase74@yahoo.com or worteac777@gmail.com ! Thank You!!!
I'm always fascinated to see the supporters of the Mystery Babylon Religion like yourselves dance and scream when the truth is opened on your detestable world.
Go Phelps!
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A major Torah principle is that what happens to the forefathers happens to their descendants. Joseph was sold by His brothers. Later, there was reconciliation and restoration. Joseph was united with his brothers. This is prophetic that the Northern Kingdom would be divided from the Southern Kingdom but they would be united by the Messiah in Messianic times. Biblical history is prophecy (Isaiah 46:8-11, Ecc 1:9, 3:15).
When Yeshua spoke to the Pharisees in John 10:16 and told them that He had ANOTHER sheepfold NOT of this fold (NOT Jewish) speaking of the Northern Kingdom and that Yeshua would die to gather and unite the 12 tribes of Israel (John 10:17), there was a DIVISION among the JEWS when Yeshua spoke these words (John 10:19). Those JEWS who would NOT accept that there is ANOTHER sheepfold (the Northern Kingdom) who is NOT JEWISH but in fact ISRAELITE responded by saying, "He has a DEVIL and is mad. Why hear Him?". In other words, the accusation made by JEWS is that this is a DEMONIC teaching and don't even listen to it (silence it). However, the POSITIVE reaction was "These are not the words of Him who has a devil. Can the devil open up the eyes of the blind?". This is the WITNESS of many non-Jews that since they have embraced their Hebrew roots and Torah that the Bible finally makes sense to them. They finally realize that we are to embrace the Torah after we are saved by grace through faith (Romans 3:31). We are to love Yeshua and keep His commandments (follow Torah) (John 14:15) and walk as Yeshua walked (I John 2:6).
They understand and see how Yeshua's role to die on the tree to gather and unite the 12 tribes of Israel (John 10:16, John 11:49-52) relates and pertains to them (Galatians 3:29). So Yeshua encountered the "two house" controversy in His earthly ministry.
Paul was blasphemed when He testified that the Gospel of Messiah (which entails loving Him and keeping His commandments or following His Torah) is a message to be preached to the non-Jew (Acts 22:21). When Paul gave this testimony to a Jewish audience, they responded that He should not live on the earth (Acts 22:22).
Therefore, it is a prophecy in the New Testament that Jewish opposition to Yeshua's "two house" teaching (John 10:16) and Paul's teaching of Torah to the non-Jews (Acts 22:22) would be treated with GREAT hostility by JEWS who oppose these teachings (John 10:19-20, Acts 22:22).
This is the SPIRITUAL "controversy of Zion" (Isaiah 34:8). The SPIRITUAL "controversy of Zion" is a controversy whether non-Jews should follow the Torah as expression of their faith in Yeshua as the Messiah and whether the non-Jew is a part of Messiah's task to gather and unite the 12 tribes of Israel. Regarding the Torah being taught to non-Jews in Isaiah 2:2-3 it is written that out of ZION goes forth the TORAH when ALL nations will be taught the Torah from Jerusalem. When the Lord builds up Zion, He will appear in His glory (Psalm 102:16). The building up of Zion is the building up of Jerusalem which is the gathering of the 12 tribes of Israel (Psalm 137:2). So, these are two CENTRAL issues in the SPIRITUAL "controversy of Z
Constance Cumbey is complicity with the Whore of BAbylon just like Walid and murderous Theodore Shoebat.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/285215164900659/ It's as if the Holy Spirit is confirming a number of things here. Well done Constance, you were right in keeping this post up all these years, as they took the bait and swallowed it whole! You have been so obedient to that still small voice. May the next generation of your work be carried on and may you live a long a peaceful life. Thank you so much for educating all of us here on this wonderful place called ....family! May you be like Ephraim and Manasseh! Go Nephos.com! Kick some Rev 2: 9 ass!
http://nephos.com/Flyingbreadrollcurse.htm as the next generation takes the baton and RUNS WITH IT!
Eric Phelps is just an Arminian Universalist pretending to be a Calvinist and doesn't even know it.He is one of the most inconsistent teacher's I've ever listened to,constantly flip flopping in his unscriptural doctrinal positions, while pretending (like a child)to live in his delusional imaginary country being separate among the white race as if this country actually exists. The man is either crazy or just delusional.
Hard to put trust or faith in someone's word when he can't even stay consistent in his teachings or in what he believes.
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