Wednesday, September 02, 2015

SNEAK PREVIEW OF PART 2 OF MY NEWSWITHVIEWS ARTICLE ABOUT MICHAEL AQUINO, GENERAL PAUL VALLELY AND THE MILITARY

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PART 2:  Did Major General (Ret.) Paul E. Vallely Help Facilitate Military Satanism?

Part 2 of 4

The last segment I wrote received an unprecedented NewswithViews publisher’s disclaimer.  The opinions expressed were solely those of the author.  Obviously, to my eye, the publisher had been put under extraordinary pressures.  That is not surprising seeing that I had tackled a characterized “darling of the Tea  Party” who had been a commander in military PsyOp operations.  Those operations were designed to convince the “enemies” – foreign and domestic – that they had already lost and all resistance was futile.  I learned of intense pressures having been put on my publisher (NWV) and that the disclaimer had been necessary for their protection.

For those who missed that last segment, my article had an unexpected inspiration.  I was invited by some very nice Michigan people to become part of the Board of Directors of “Women Defending America.”  I was told that the organization had been proposed by three generals.  The women were to be organized in uniformed battalions.  When I half jokingly told my inviting person that “you realize that you will be accused of forming a Fascist brigade”, she told me that one of the Generals proposing the operation told her that they only reason America had not been “taken over” yet was because too many of her citizens were armed.    Towards the end of our otherwise congenial meeting, I casually asked her for the names of the three generals.  “McInerney, Vallely, and Boykin” was the reply.

It was a nearly mid June Friday night.  I do a regular two hour internet radio (TMERadio.com) broadcasts on Saturday mornings.  I often sit at my computer late on Friday nights preparing for them.  At about 11:30 p.m., I recalled my conversation and thought that maybe I’d better check the Generals out while I still recalled their names.  Fully expecting to find stars, bars, Purple Hearts, and military commendations only, I first Googled “McInerney.”  Up popped several “people also search for” pictures.   One was “Paul Vallely.”   I recalled that was the name she mentioned as the one who told her why America had not yet “been taken over.”  I clicked that link and was astounded to come up with references on the first page of hits on his name only to his association with Satanic leader, Michael A. Aquino.  Dumbfounded, I then Googled the terms “Aquino” and “Vallely” and came up with many hits.  I made an improvident 11:45 call to the lady who graciously invited me in good faith to be part of the Board for WDA.  I left a message that I was disturbed to find links to Satanism in connection with one of the Generals.  I could not afford to have my name associated with that and hopefully she would not either. 

Chagrined that I had nearly stepped into this, I made an immediate blog posting to my own site, “My Perspective” with the suggestive title of “Watch Where You Walk – I Nearly Stepped into This One!”  I did a cut and paste of the Googled hits as illustrations of the “Hidden Dangers” I had nearly failed to miss.

I then made a search of my personally archived computer files and again was shocked to see that I had identified Paul Vallely in Vol. 1, No. 2, June 1986 newsletter as Michael Aquino’s ongoing patron and protector in the military.  I had received that information from impeccable sources, including a former lady friend of Lt. Colonel Michael Aquino, former minister in Anton Szandor LaVey’s Church of Satan, and founder of the equally if not more Satanic Temple of Set. 

Not reaching the lady who invited me – a woman who was heavily emotionally and financially invested into what she thought was good and right for our country, I then tried reaching out to others.  I perused the materials I had been given at that meeting for WDA and located another officer, a fine Christian lady.  I reached her with the information together with a letter I was sending to the inviter.  She thanked me, but then called me back saying she had spoken to a “prayer partner” and instead wanted me to draft a new bylaw for that organization saying they did not support Satanism in any way. 

My research then dismayingly told me that General Vallely had been very busy and very successful even with many of my long time friends and supporters in the struggle against the New Age Movement.  I reached as many of those people as I could.  Some seriously listened, some so far are awaiting more evidence. 

This was not the first time General Vallely had encountered references to the Aquino association.  Wen Colonel Riley proposed a 10 million man march on Washington using an “Arab Spring” (Operation America Spring) model of bringing down a government.  Reportedly, that plan had been endorsed by General Vallely.  Many had come forward with the Satanic charges then.  Through his website, General Vallely had made veiled threats that they needn’t bother purging their websites of the “ridiculous allegations” – he already had them archived and they would hear from his lawyers.  He told them that attempts to “defame a reputation” were actionable slander and libel.  He forgot to tell them that in the law, at least in the USA, truth is an absolute defense.
He was, in my opinion, obviously practicing the time-tested PsyOp art of convincing his opposition that “all resistance is futile” to the ultimate degree!  It also appears to me that some very big lies are being repeated often enough that more naive followers might believe them.  

General Vallely, per the Michigan WDA leaders, sent the following (via Scott Winchell, his editor) to their organization.  They forwarded the same to me via email:


Back in early 1980s, Vallely was Commander of the 7th Psychological Group, a Colonel at the time.  Colonel Paul Vallely was assigned by Army senior officers to study what the Soviets were doing about mind control, or what we now refer to as Psychological Operations.  The Army and Col. Vallely assigned Major Michael Aquino to prepare a draft and analysis for a final paper on the subject.  Shortly thereafter, it was learned that Major Aquino was associated with the Temple of Set, based and registered in California, fou nded in 1975.  The church was a Satanist sect and was actively recruiting members in the Army and Army Headquarters was non-too-pleased.  An Army General then assigned Col. Vallely to investigate the case and report the findings to the Department of the Army in Washington.   Colonel Vallely was the one who conducted the investigation and determined the facts.  Aquino was indeed a Satanist in the Temple of Set and was the second or deputy to Anton levay, then head of the Temple of SEt, which was a sect of the Church of Satan.  He was closely associated with the movie "Rosemary's Baby" from 1968.  There was even a study on "Staring at Goats" which was made into a movie in 2004.  Col. Vallely reported his findings but Army lawyers could do nothing as the church was classified as a religion under the First Amendment, freedom of religion.  Aquino and the other officers were reassigned and stayed in the Army for sometime afer.  MG [Major General] Vallely is a devout Catholic and at no time was he ever involved with the Satanists of the Temple of Set or anothing other than Catholicism.  Aquino himself has said that MG Vallely and he were not working to establish any CIA or Nazi derived program.  That is in his words:  "assorted cranks tried to make a public issue outof this paper just because of its catchytitle . . . that paper had no connection MK-Ultra, nor Paperclip, nor any crazy Nazi experiments.  "As y ou can see it is only because these studies that were performed, and there were a great many performed in other areas, do crackpots like [names wihheld] try to force some conspiracy theory that we are all under mind control operations."

 



I responded to this material in my NewswithViews article.  I spent a little money doing my research.  I ordered both the Kindle and the oversized book, EXTREME PREJUDICE.  General Vallely claimed that neither he nor the army knew about Aquino’s Satanism until after he and Michael Aquino did the joint paper commissioned by General Vallely in 1980. 

General Vallely, I’m informed personally told the group here that he investigated on behalf of the Army to see if Michael Aquino was a Satanist.  He further said that "he testified against him (Aquino).

  As shown in the above video clip of the Oprah Winfrey Show of February 1988, Michael Aquino plainly says that the Army knew of his Satanic religion from his original commissioning in 1968.  This was a full 12 years before the Aquino-Vallely project in 1980.

Vallely also wrote in his book, EXTREME PREJUDICE, that his involvement had been known since 1968 and no official nor adverse official concern or action was ever taken.   He records this on page 197, paragraph 20 of that book.

                As might be expected, some of the leadership of the Michigan group is most unhappy with me.  There were others who thanked me and resigned their WDA posts rather than work further with General Vallely.  I understand the lady who invited me to join the Board protested that even if true, the information published in my newsletter was nearly 30 years old.  That is true.

What is not old, however, is the very new and obvious lie told by General Vallely that he was charged with investigating Michael Aquino AFTER their joint operations.  Clearly, he and the others in the military – particularly their brand of “military intelligence” knew of Aquino’s open Satanism.  Clearly, Vallely knew of Michael Aquino’s Welwelsburg Working in 1983, 3 years before I wrote my newsletter with information from credible sources that “Brigadier General Paul Vallely” was Michael Aquino’s protector.

While Michael Aquino has tried hard to protect General Vallely by saying that only the internet put their Mindwar “professional relationship” at issue, Aquino’s own books, some even available for free on the internet, tell plenty about New Age and deeper Satanic influences in the military.

I respectfully suggest you run your virus checker software before and after using these links, should you decide it is necessary.  It was necessary for my research and my virus checker discovered numerous tracking links that were promptly quarantined and/or deleted.

Unfortunately, the influences in the military are broader and deeper.   Aquino’s own books plainly reveal the deep cross-pollination.    Aquino exemplifies the “left hand path” of Satanism.  Other facets of the New Age are sometimes called by adherents, the “right hand path.” 

All those paths converge to the same ultimate destination.  In addition to “watch where you walk,” to avoid stepping into something unpleasant, may I respectfully suggest, “you don’t want to go THERE.”

Part 3 will discuss “Chaos Theory” and how it is playing into military and other society changing scenarios.  In the meantime, “watch where you walk!”

Stay tuned!

CONSTANCE




Comments:
given the trouble with NWV I archived on my computer all your archived articles there. maybe you should do the same, because maybe they will cave in and shut you out.
 
"We wouldn't want to violate European Union law, would we!"
Hard to believe we have come this far.
 
if you want a page to not be blocked there, or not get kicked off a server that does
business there, you need to obey the law there.
 
My $0.02.... Google is evil. It is a narcissistic company that only cares about its vision of the future and implementing it everywhere, and the thought never crosses its collective hive brain that someone might just object to its dreams of a perfect world.

Kinda like the New Age collective, eh?
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Irvine

I have mentioned J.K. Van Baalen's book The Chaos of Cults but also Irvine's book included RCC but he puts Theosophy in a different chapter and then adds 'Christian Theosophy" to it and says they can't mix. I have 50's version so I can't speak for the 80's versions and was in print until the early 1980's but Martin's book, The New Cults 1980 and Larson's book New Book of Cults 1982 (with links to Martin's group) seem to have drowned out the old ones. You can get these still on Amazon but as Marko reminds us it's all surveillance really. Your medical records are on Amazon and Google servers. You get the joy of paying rent for that. Our thoughts are being categorized for future condemnation.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11836976/Three-arrested-in-Paris-over-devils-breath-drug-that-turns-victims-into-willing-zombies.html

tags zombies, cia, mind control, Megeles, nazi, drugs, 2015, France
 
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/06/how_priests_are_responding_to_the_pope_s_climate_change_encyclical.html

Go and Pollute No More: too many juicy tidbits to mention in that piece.
(however according to the global warming/climate change, mother Gaia, voodoo science of eugenics and supremacist ideology, me just exhaling is pollution) It is, Go.. exist no more ..then?
 
http://visupview.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-vast-right-wing-conspiracy-secret_26.html

ONE OF A SERIES OF ARTICLES. while he dismisses the communist menace as a supposed threat, and in those
days would have been more controllable than it became, especially if the Cold War hadn't been started with
the help of Churchill true to the tradition of British competition with Russia which would not tolerate
such an alliance very long,
the information I see here is solid, decades in libraries and later on the Internet also buying materials from some
of these people, backs it up.
 
http://visupview.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-vast-right-wing-conspiracy-secret.html

part 1
 
what he misses in part 1 analysis of course, is that the Eastern Establishment and banksters were themselves
heavily linked to the supposed competition. And Vallely etc. would be a modern case in point - stimulate an uprising that if
it worked would put him and whoever is back of him in power and if it was outgunned would result in the emergency declaration
and suspention of the Constitution, which would still put his backers in power
(and save his hide).
 
I've made some corrections and enlarged the fantastic quote full of many errors and/or lies from the good General! Refresh your browser. I'm carefully checking for spelling and punctuation errors before I submit to to NWV, probably tomorrow. CLIFF KINCAID will be my radio guest on TMERadio.com Saturday morning.

Constance
 
http://visupview.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-vast-right-wing-conspiracy-secret.html

part IV details the connections (which I was looking for) between some of the
patriot militia sovereign citizen stuff and occultism. It is less emphasized here
but you follow the trail of individuals mentioned and their biographies and you
get a lot. William Dudley Pelley of Silver Shirts fame's organization produced
individuals who ranged from the "Christian civilization" sort to the I AM movement.
A paranormal and UFO focus existed with a lot of these.

Gerald L. K. Smith was the one who put up the Christ of the Ozarks statue, which
locals compare to a milk carton. But some of the photos, when light and angle don't
obscure this, shows something rather sinister. The figure has rather well developed
pectoral muscles, yet the arms are clearly very very skinny. (too much so to fit
the rest of the body, details more obscured by the robe, and the head, reminiscent
perhaps of the greyskin type alien or a second generation hybrid backcross to
regular human perhaps.) A MAN WITH SUCH SKINNY ARMS WOULD NOT HAVE SUCH PECTORALS.

It is like he has boobs.

somewhat flat to disguise them, but, androgynous in the extreme is the implication.
So what kind of uber secret stuff was taught among a very very few of these
characters in private?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_of_the_Ozarks

of interest is the presence of such racist and anti semitic teachings in the American
officer corps from the late 1800s to a bit after WW II.

you see, what is now identified as extremism or far left insofar as it would
compromise individual liberty to promote a racial agenda fascism being put on the
left, or even "new age," used to be standard conservative American thought
before and well after the turn of the 20th century. Including the inclination to
run to fortune tellers and go ga ga over some mystic turbaned or whatever teacher
from the east or theosophy or whatever. Indian shamans were sought after by the
public for quack brews (some fairly effective actually) whether they were real
medicine men or not, laudanum (an opium compound) was routinely given to quiet
bothersome children and screaming babies, and "water witches" dowsers were
constantly sought to by farmers to locate where to dig a well.


 
basically, the agenda seems to be, that those who are supporting the conspiracy that
the rightwingers scream about,
are leading the charge against it, or founding the groups that do in the most undesirable manner.

This means, that if anyone gets suspicious they get caught up in the defense against it which
itself is shaped and controlled by it, so that if the conspiracy wins the elites get their way, if
the insurrection wins the elites still get their way.

A major problem is the love of the military style which gives a certain sense of
assurance the structure you know where
you stand and so forth, that kind of society. And the ambience of a kind of dark strength, proud, centered, grounded, with purpose
and a rigidity you think is something you can lean on. This is present in some of the monarchist/feudalist/nobilist for lack of a better word
type of presentation and some of the traditional Catholicism scene. In such cases
where Christianity is in play allegedly, the real focus
(supposedly as the means of serving Christ by serving His alleged purposes, culture, economics, etc. etc. even race or
whatever) is NOT the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, however much His Name may be
thrown around.
The real focus is nation, power, identity, the people, people to party with in the case of emergent seeker friendly churches,
STRUCTURE AS AN END IN ITSELF and the same structure could be Christian or pagan such
as pagan Rome.

Sure structure and specific rules, even if different for different classes, do have an advantage over total anarchy. rule of law not rule of men.

But where you find a machine like quality there is evil in play, either as driver
or as a parasitical element that is exploiting
what you are looking at.

transhumanism and technocracy of course are a modern kind of manifestation of this.
 
“you reaize that you will be accused of forming a Fascist brigade”

Realize?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W4WHti_1NE
Robert Muller his statement is interesting because of events today.

The Utopia that is Europe today
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3220885/EU-draws-emergency-plan-relocate-160-000-stranded-refugees-continent-Britain-ZERO.html

 
The Persecution Begins 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZqKiZ0ldeM
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/03/rowan-county-ky-court-clerk-marriage-licenses-gays/71635794

12:48 and she went to jail....
 
Best quote of the week, "Communism is just the inquisition under a different name."
 
To 12:00 - thanks for catching that! Glad I didn't send it on yet.

Constance
 
Yes, it definitely appears the persecution is starting and religious freedom is now trumped by "LGBT Rights". It will be interesting to see how much enthusiasm the LGBT community will have for having "won" same sex marriage rights, once they learn that now they probably won't qualify for same sex partner benefits as they have been doing, without getting married!

Well, I believe everybody deserves a minimal ONE KIND WARNING. After that, I won't beat them over the head with the evidence. I have no intention of interfering with anybody's Constitutional right to go to Hell, if that's where they are Hell bent on going. My prayers are with that brave Kentucky woman tonight.

Constance
 
http://visupview.blogspot.com/2010/11/nine.html

more on the occult in socially and/or economically prominent scenes
 
Ok, thanks to the proofreaders here! I've made a couple of revisions and changed the link on the video to one that was only the Oprah segment -- I'm not really sure if Aquino is an "NSA General" as the video above says. I talked with NWV and they plan to have it up there very soon.

Constance
 
A word of caution -- my main computer was running a bit slow. I decided to do an expanded virus check on my very large C drive. No viruses nor problems were discovered on the Norton 360 quick scan, bUT 13 viruses so far have been detected and resolved on the custom drive scan. I will be scanning my back up drives later, but in this wicked world, hidden dangers are lurking -- even on our computers -- maybe especially on our computers!

Constance

 
Under the heading "Obama donates a million dollars to Planned Parenthood",
Theo Shoebat writes:

"In a three-week period in August, ABC News, NBC News, and CBS News spent 29 minutes talking about the pandas born at the National Zoo that month.

They spent only 24 minutes on the Planned Parenthood scandal in the seven weeks after the story broke.

Anchors even called pre-born pandas “babies,” while referring to pre-born humans as “fetal tissue.”
 
I did a scan after checking that site, found nothing. that was yesterday, then this
afternoon I am being informed I don't have a legal copy of
Windows 7 and the desktop has changed to all black with the icons normal color.

So I restart and check windows update and it updated fine. I also changed the background color before that. Before it said it couldn't update
and I might have an illegal copy. Sounds like something got through that gave false
information. Going to reupdate and rescan. more like a prank than harm.
 
Christine,

If you google the exact message you got from Microsoft, you will find that it is a glitch between the type of processor chip you have, the version of Windows that you have, and the software that Microsoft use to try to get you to download Win10. There's plenty of discussion online.

 
anon 10:29

thanks! :) that explains why I found no instrusions on the full scan. I have had
the option to get Windows 10 and refused to do so, it is probably still trying to
get me to do it.
 
Too funny for words. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419853/witless-ape-rides-escalator-kevin-d-williamson
"I have a theory about Trump and his delusions, based, I’ll admit, on pure superstition. There’s an ancient belief, one that persists into our own time, that our names exert occult influence on our lives. And Trump’s name, while potentially comical — “Don-John” — doesn’t offer much in the way of scrying. But his father’s middle name was — true fact — Christ. Fred Christ. Obama’s arrival was announced by a man called Emanuel, but The Donald was brought into this world by Christ himself — Fred Christ. How could a man like that not have a messiah complex? " See Wikipedia

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419853/witless-ape-rides-escalator-kevin-d-williamson"
 
Doing a bing search going back to 2011. Put Vallely and Trump into a search and find http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/03/24/breaking-news-presidential-ticket-paul-e-vallely-and-donald-trump/

Lots more.
 
how about excerpting from the article and posting here so we can read without getting
a subscription? and this might predate Trump getting wise to Vallely. At this point
I am less happy with Trump on other grounds. Great point about names. What kind of
person names the kid "Christ"?
 
Constance:

A HUGE event is coming and I noticed hardly a word about it on your blog ... Pope Francis will be making major addresses to the UN and (for the first time in our history) a Pope will be addressing a Joint Session of Congress. What is on his agenda??

1. Climate Change (whereby the International elites gain governing authority over sovereign nations and individuals.

2. A Global Government (under the guize of "peace" and "unity").

3. A Global, one world financial system ("control the money supply, you control everything).

4. Support for OPEN BORDERS (remove borders, and you remove sovereignty of nations).

5. Promote Unity of Religions (real aim is to destroy REAL Christianity that is based solely on the Bible).

6. More acceptance of Homosexuality (again ... real aim is to undermine God's Word and ultimately destroy Biblical Christianity).

7. Appearance in Cuba (where the leaders are despotic Communists that have tortured, imprisoned and murdered political opponents and Bible believing Christians. Instead of EXPOSING these sins, the Pope will talk "unity of nations." etc.

I could go on. This evil man will do more to advance the Kingdom of Satan than a hundred New Agers. It is time to expose him for what he really is.
 
http://vregisjournal.blogspot.com/2015/09/radical-environmentalism-new-pantheism.html?spref=tw

someone had a dream about a tsunami hitting Washington DC while the pope is speaking
but then she or he was probably filling his or her mind with all that sort of thing.
I think the speech date is supposed to be in the danger zone of Sept 23-25? we
will what happens. most of the hype about this hinges on bad handling of the Bible,
but one thing does have my attention, "predictive programming" not about programming
people but about TV programming and movies, where odd predictions of future events
turn up like the writers knew something. An example is pointers in the Batman movie
to the Sandy Hook location before the shooting happened. Well, there have been a
lot of 9 23 bits in several movies. And the elites are bugging out, some of them.
 
typo "we will what happens" should be "we will see what happens."
 
http://vregisjournal.blogspot.com/2015/09/race-interrupted-nephilim-eugenics-and.html

in this article is information I didn't know before, about the spiritually contaminated roots of Pentecostalism, through Parham's involvement in British Israelism. Can you trust any phenomenon with such a pedigree?
 
Christine, you are like most other people, wanting something for nothing. The information is for Constance who will check it out if she thinks it is to her advantage. Ignore it, run with it, I really don't care what you do with it. You have been the blog's troll for years, filling up the pages with junk. Serious people will check it out. I fulfilled my responsibility by bringing the link here, just as a warning should Trump go with Vallely as VP. Enough people have seen the link now as I've shared it elsewhere.
 
anon 1:46

why not address it to her then instead of no address just like its for everybody? not very charitable are you? and Constance has her own financial stressors, the subscription required is not free and the pb indicator of a free article at the
end of the title is not at the end of that title.

at least there is enough in the abstract to get the idea. want something for nothing, eh?
what do you think YOU get here with all the research from everyone else? hypocrite.
 
"Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, a Vietnam veteran who retired from the U.S. Army in 1993, has gotten considerable attention in the last few months as a "birther" proponent. He's even flirted with a supporter's suggestion that he and Trump form the 2012 GOP ticket."
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/04/24/Under-the-US-Supreme-Court-The-bizarre-world-of-the-birther/91281303630200/

I guess its old news of course there might be a re attempt along this line? the
fact these two names could be linked speaks to something wrong with Trump, either
there is more to him than meets the eye or the ear, or he is blinded by shared
single issues.
 
Not sure why it is you choose to believe a Satanist over the word of Vallely. In the first article you say "Bluntly, either Aquino or Vallely are lying about the knowledge and the time line. In this case, I must reluctantly conclude it is General Vallely." You give no indication why it is that you have concluded Vallely is the liar and Aquino the Satanist is a truth-teller. Your reasoning is baffling. If you have official Army documents to back up either side's claims, then please provide the evidence. Do FOIA perhaps.
 
read the article again. the reason is pretty obvious. Aquino states the Army knew about his Satanism in 1968, and it is a FACT that Satanism was a recognized
religion with Army specs on its chaplaincy as early as 1978 and probably before that. ditto wicca.

That in itself puts the lie to Vallely claiming he investigated him - there would have been NO INVESTIGATION PERIOD. Satanism was already accepted by the Army on its
list of legitimate religions. So there was no basis for an investigation. Aquino
would have been too clever to recruit using offers of orgies and human sacrifices,
absent that NO GROUNDS FOR INVESTIGATION. Vallely's excuse that noting could be
done with the results of his investigation he was allegedly ordered to do, verifies
that, and also I repeat PUTS THE LIE TO THE CLAIM THAT ANY INVESTIGATION WAS
ORDERED IN THE FIRST PLACE. Vallely only claimed that to look good that he "investigated" him.

as for who is liar and who is truth teller, that depends on the individual situation. in some other situation, it could easily be the reverse.

Vallely wanting to do an overthrow of Obama should make your hackles rise, this would
only result in a military coup and the kind of emergency conditions and suspension
of the Constitution that this is to prevent, classic maneuver claim to be the
solution and make it worse intentionally. Satanism or no satanism this is nothing
good.

you can find out about military chaplaincy and satanism online real easy. meanwhile, never trust military brass, elected officials, unelected officials, and/or supposed grass roots movement and/or the media, regular or alternative. trust no one. check everything.
 
Thank you Ray B.
 
"Aquino states the Army knew" That's what I mean - "he states." That's it, that's all. That the Army recognized satanism is irrelevant. Show that on his service record he ticked "satanism" under his religion and then maybe you have something. Also, Vallely should reproduce this investigation of his as well, so all can see. I'm not on anyone's side. I just don't think that it is obvious that anyone should believe one over the other ... but especially not take at face value the assertions of satanist. Just because Aquino said anything does not hold water with me. Proof is required. You have to be careful in a situation like this. Cumbey should know that, being a lawyer.

In a situation like this, a FOAI request might clear some things up. In any case, primary documents are sorely lacking. Aquino claims and/or Vallely claims is inadequate to come to any conclusion.
 
Vallely's whole style of dealing with this criticism precisely echoes Aquino's style. that should tell you something right there.
 
Vallely needs to clarify, I'll give you that. As far as Aquino, I couldn't care less what he says or doesn't. He's unreliable by the mere fact of what he believes has been involved in. There's nothing to be admired about Vallely either, but innuendo simply because of guilt by (a one time) association is a slippery slope. I can think of multiple angles for further investigation, bu so far it's unconvincing.
 
Terry, you still don't get it.

Vallely's claim is that his investigation results couldn't be put to use, because
Satanism was a recognized religion in the Army.

online sources say this goes back AT LEAST to 1978.

that means there was NO GROUNDS TO INVESTIGATE AQUINO FOR SATANISM.

that also means Vallely lied that he was asked to investigate him.

I hardly think that the founder of the Temple of Set would hide his identity as
such from the Army. Given that Mind War according to its introductory information
was put together at the Presidio in SF the same city that ToS and CoS operated
in, it is even more unlikely.
 
What goes back to 1978? The handbook? I'd like to see the original 1978 handbook myself since everyone talks so much about it, yet no one has produced it in full. I'd like to see not only that the Temple of Set is mentioned but if any mention is made of its founder (which Aquino says not).

I agree a cursory search would turn up Aquino's affiliations and by the time they wrote the paper it would have been relatively easy to find out. Nowhere has it been established that this is the case, however.

You say: "I hardly think that the founder of the Temple of Set would hide his identity as
such from the Army." That is precisely what I think. One does not have to hide it per say, it is really none of their business to begin with since this is a free country.
 
why would they bother? what makes you think special operations or anything like it
is going to give a damn about Satanism? more likely seek it out for advice on
how to handle things. even if temple of set is not mentioned Satanism is. I've seen excerpts online and I think the whole copy is somewhere. try http://archive.org you can now search by name and subject not just you get a URL to give them or you get
nothing like the old days.

According to Vallely, whose word you take as gospel, Satanism (tos being a form of it) was legal in the ARmy by the 1980s, which would support what you question.
It also means there would NOT have been an investigation in the first place. since
Aquino joined the army before he joined cos he probably signed on as an atheist.
 
I don't believe anyone about anything unless it can be proved.

Vallely says he didn't know; Aquino says they did. Cumbey's articles don't clear it up. That is all.

Just because Satanism and or the Temple of Set may or may not have been recognized at the time when they collaborated is proof of nothing really. What was Vallely supposed to do, investigate another officer before he worked with him? And even if it was common knowledge: this is grounds for what? To get Aquino kicked out of the Army? Ostracized? Persona non grata? Did he or didn't he do his job to the satisfaction of his superiors is all that mattered to the Army and probably Vallely as well.

Satanists recruiting in the Army certainly would have been investigated though. What they can do about that, I'm not sure. But definitely it would have been looked into, especially after all the satanic/ritual abuse panic in 80s. Like I said before, Vallely needs to clarify more on these matters. He's stupid if he doesn't.
 
For those who don't know who Terry Melanson is, here's a link. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Articles/index.php?n=1 He's part of that crowd of researchers who put history under a microscope to understand what the Illuminati, the secret societies, the Freemasons, etc. did in minute detail. These individuals are at the opposite end of the whackadoodle crowd who try to put every fringe organization or individual into some kind of grand conspiracy pattern. The individual who barely watches the news is not going to take the time to study timelines and fact check them. Both styles are major distractions scaring off almost all people who want simple answers to such questions as how did Obama become president and where did all of that Common Core in the schools start. It's my opinion that the distractions, though they may prove accurate in themselves, are planned stumbling blocks.

If you want to understand why you are feeling trapped by those running the government or culture, work with the theme that nothing happens by chance. Find the answers to Who What When Where and Why. Don't let all the self-appointed experts tell you what to think. At this time in history you might stop yourself from starting to think like the Germans did Germany in the 1920s,1930s and 1940s. Those experts were also operating in the US during that time period. They are operating now and have been for over a hundred years.
 
Anonymous: I can't tell what exactly your opinion is of me, or what the point of the link was. Regardless. My approach to research is simple: if there's no primary source for a claim then either don't suggest it at all or clearly delineate to your reader that what you are doing is speculating and/or utilizing secondary and tertiary accounts, of which you cannot confirm or substantiate. It's obvious why the disclaimer was added.

Cumbey knows who I am. I haven't been here in a while and she may or may not take offense at my comments. I don't know. I was waiting for part 2 to see some meat. I really am genuinely perplexed at why Cumbey allows Aquino's assertions more credibility than Vallely's. Aquino AND Vallely have no evidence for anything they say, so there's no reason to take the side of either. It'd be nice to see a copy of the 1978 DA Pamphlet 165-13: Religious Requirements and Practices of Certain Selected Groups - A Handbook for Chaplains that Aquino cites; or, for that matter, any official document besides the MindWar paper.

Perhaps you have more concrete info on Vallely's relationship with Aquino and we'll have to wait until later in the series. Did they hang out together? Did they collaborate more than once? Is Vallely more involved with occultism than he lets on?
 
Terry and whoever is reading this,

"Aquino AND Vallely have no evidence for anything they say, so there's no reason to take the side of either."

Interesting point, which still doesn't leave Vallely looking good.

" It'd be nice to see a copy of the 1978 DA Pamphlet 165-13: Religious Requirements and Practices of Certain Selected Groups - A Handbook for Chaplains that Aquino cites; or, for that matter, any official document besides the MindWar paper."

excerpts are out there, will try to find a copy. it can take time.

"Did he or didn't he do his job to the satisfaction of his superiors is all that mattered to the Army and probably Vallely as well."

correct. But given the pre existing culture in the oddball action category (special forces etc.) of being willing to try anything
it is more likely a Satanist would be valued rather than excluded. after all Aquino
was in psychological operations. A mere philosophy
would not be the interest mind affecting measures, whether manipulation or paranormal would be valued.

"Satanists recruiting in the Army certainly would have been investigated though. What they can do about that, I'm not sure. But definitely it would have been looked into, especially after all the satanic/ritual abuse panic in 80s."

That happened AFTER the Mind War and alleged investigation. According to Vallely Satanism was already an accepted option for
military personnel, so why would there be an investigation at all? The only interest MIGHT be if it took the form
of overt Nazism and racism of a form likely to disrupt discipline and cohesion. But that isn't what the alleged investigation was about.

" Like I said before, Vallely needs to clarify more on these matters. He's stupid if he doesn't."

or covering something up and expecting everyone else to stupidly follow their pet hero oooh, a MILITARY man!



 
"Anonymous: I can't tell what exactly your opinion is of me, or what the point of the link was"

if you can't figure out from his explicit words, that he is presenting you as an expert of the better sort regarding conspiracy, then you can't figure out how to
sort out truth from a mélange of lies and half truths. you need to think like an
interrogator. what is being said, how is it being said, what is NOT being said (which
itself can mean more than what is being said sometimes). The obvious point was that you focus on documentable stuff are not a grand unified conspiracy whackjob and
therefore should be taken seriously, or at least understand why you are hesitant
to jump on a pro or anti Vallely bandwagon.

but once the materials you focus on show some things, other things can be identified by the similarity of style or ideas, whatever, to those. New Age for
instance is pretty well self documented. it is individuals you can track, but it is
also IDEAS, and those can be recognized where no association personally exists,
merely picking them up from publications or the intellectual ambience the former
group (identifiable persons) has created.
 
Seems Vallely's statement sent to Cumbey (via Scott Winchell) originally came from the comments in following url:

http://bobpowell.blogspot.ca/2014/01/operation-american-spring-to-be-massive.html

Specifically one Dr. Jim Garrow. His comment (1):

"It has been suggested that Maj Gen Paul
Vallely has been or is a member of a Satanist Church and is active in
that demon worship. As I had appeared on the radio program of a person
promulgating this as fact, I telephoned the General and presented
what I had read and had heard from others who were spreading the
allegations as fact. The General assured me that it was not true and
shared the facts below. As a person who has been under attack myself I
know what it is like to be misrepresented or misunderstood in a
circumstance presented by others. I like the truth to prevail.
- Dr. Jim Garrow

Jeremie Acquino Satanist Response

Back in early 1980s was Commander of the 7th Psychological Group, a
Colonel at the time, Colonel Paul Vallely was assigned by Army senior
officers to study what the Soviets were doing about mind control, or
what we now refer to as Psychological Operations. The Army and Col.
Vallely assigned a Major Michael Aquino to prepare a draft and analysis
for a final paper on the subject. Major Aquino was a very competent, a
graduate of UC Santa Barbara with a PHD. The now famous paper "From
PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory". See link here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

Shortly thereafter, it was learned that Major Aquino was associated
with the Temple of Set , based and registered in California, founded in
1975. The church was a Satanist sect and was actively recruiting members
in the Army and the Army Hq was none-too-pleased. an Army General then
assigned Col. Vallely to investigate the case and report the findings
to the Department of the Army in Washington. Colonel Vallely was the
one who conducted the investigation and determined the facts.

Aquino was indeed a Satanist in the Temple of Set and was the second,
or deputy to Anton Levay, then head of the Temple of Set, which was a
sect of the Church of Satan. He was closely associated with the movie
“Rosemary’s Baby” from 1968. There was even a study on “Staring at
Goats” which was made into a movie in 2004.

Col.
Vallely reported his findings but Army lawyers could do nothing as the
church was classified as a religion under the First Amendment. freedom
of religion..Aquino and the other officers were reassigned and stayed in
the Army for some time after. MG is a devote Catholic and at no time
was he ever involved with the Satanists of the Temple of Set or anything
other than Catholicism.

Aquino himself has said
that MG Vallely and he were not working to establish any CIA or Nazi
derived program. That is in his words: "assorted cranks tried to make a
public issue out of this paper just because of its catchy title... that
paper had no connection to MK-Ultra, nor Paperclip, nor any crazy Nazi
experiments."

As you can see, it is only because of
these studies that were performed, and there were a great many performed
in other areas, do crackpots like Powell try to force some conspiracy
theory that we are all under mind control operations.

Paul E Vallely MG, US Army (Ret)"

Comment (2):

"I'm interested in the truth Bobby and that is why I called the General to bring him up to date on what was being shared about him, his denial was detail and then I was sent his response in written form. I have great respect for him. His days with Army Intelligence were important for America and he is a patriot that you would be proud to call friend. You will note that I have shared what I was sent in its entirety without comment. If you want to chat you can reach me on the toll free line 1-888-577-0773 (secure). Blessings, Jim"
 
http://www.military-info.com/mphoto/p107.htm

the 1980 copy photocopy is available for a fee scroll down to chaplain

http://www.beyondweird.com/occult/army1.html

excerpts the "other" category, "A complete copy of the book (price unknown) can be obtained
from:
Superintendant of Documents
U.S. Government Printing Office
Washington, D.C. 20402

Stock Number: 008-020-00745-5"

 
Also, a comment from Aquino (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpK-NIuisBg).

"I have been a Setian, not a Satanist, since 1975. I became a member of then-Col. Valleley's staff in 1980, and of course he knew I was a Setian. Nor did he care in the least, as it was and is just another legally-recognized religion. Indeed my religion has been on my official Army file (and my dog tags!) since I joined the Church of Satan in 1969. Occasionally other soldiers were curious, to which I responded courteously.

General V's and my aths haven't crossed since 1987. I recall and consider him as a very gracious gentleman and distinguished soldier.

I am of course aware of the several DOD pubs over the years affirming religious tolerance and freedom."

Interesting response. Satanism, I guess, was listed as his official religion when he joined! I am inclined to believe it, though it still can't be proved. At this point Aquino is more believable than Valleley. ... and if I wrote an article on it, that is the way I would phrase it.

Quite the conundrum. Who has the most credibility: an avowed satanist or a would-be coup leader? Does he say he is Christian? Is he a dominionist?
 
Seems Vallely's statement sent to Cumbey (via Scott Winchell) originally came from the comments in following url:

http://bobpowell.blogspot.ca/2014/01/operation-american-spring-to-be-massive.html

Specifically one Dr. Jim Garrow. His comment (1):

"It has been suggested that Maj Gen Paul
Vallely has been or is a member of a Satanist Church and is active in
that demon worship. As I had appeared on the radio program of a person
promulgating this as fact, I telephoned the General and presented
what I had read and had heard from others who were spreading the
allegations as fact. The General assured me that it was not true and
shared the facts below. As a person who has been under attack myself I
know what it is like to be misrepresented or misunderstood in a
circumstance presented by others. I like the truth to prevail.
- Dr. Jim Garrow

Jeremie Acquino Satanist Response

Back in early 1980s was Commander of the 7th Psychological Group, a
Colonel at the time, Colonel Paul Vallely was assigned by Army senior
officers to study what the Soviets were doing about mind control, or
what we now refer to as Psychological Operations. The Army and Col.
Vallely assigned a Major Michael Aquino to prepare a draft and analysis
for a final paper on the subject. Major Aquino was a very competent, a
graduate of UC Santa Barbara with a PHD. The now famous paper "From
PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory". See link here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

Shortly thereafter, it was learned that Major Aquino was associated
with the Temple of Set , based and registered in California, founded in
1975. The church was a Satanist sect and was actively recruiting members
in the Army and the Army Hq was none-too-pleased. an Army General then
assigned Col. Vallely to investigate the case and report the findings
to the Department of the Army in Washington. Colonel Vallely was the
one who conducted the investigation and determined the facts.

Aquino was indeed a Satanist in the Temple of Set and was the second,
or deputy to Anton Levay, then head of the Temple of Set, which was a
sect of the Church of Satan. He was closely associated with the movie
“Rosemary’s Baby” from 1968. There was even a study on “Staring at
Goats” which was made into a movie in 2004.

Col.
Vallely reported his findings but Army lawyers could do nothing as the
church was classified as a religion under the First Amendment. freedom
of religion..Aquino and the other officers were reassigned and stayed in
the Army for some time after. MG is a devote Catholic and at no time
was he ever involved with the Satanists of the Temple of Set or anything
other than Catholicism.

Aquino himself has said
that MG Vallely and he were not working to establish any CIA or Nazi
derived program. That is in his words: "assorted cranks tried to make a
public issue out of this paper just because of its catchy title... that
paper had no connection to MK-Ultra, nor Paperclip, nor any crazy Nazi
experiments."

As you can see, it is only because of
these studies that were performed, and there were a great many performed
in other areas, do crackpots like Powell try to force some conspiracy
theory that we are all under mind control operations.

Paul E Vallely MG, US Army (Ret)"

Comment (2):

"I'm interested in the truth Bobby and that is why I called the General to bring him up to date on what was being shared about him, his denial was detail and then I was sent his response in written form. I have great respect for him. His days with Army Intelligence were important for America and he is a patriot that you would be proud to call friend. You will note that I have shared what I was sent in its entirety without comment. If you want to chat you can reach me on the toll free line 1-888-577-0773 (secure). Blessings, Jim"
 
saying you are Christian means very little outside of a persecution situation. St. Paul points to fruits in your life character improvement
and so forth as indicative.

reports from many sources indicate the more dangerous type of satanists have double lives as Christians, some as pastors.
In one case, a Christian had converted a Satanist and took her to his church, she ran out. And explained outside, that the
pastor there was the leader of the cult she had been in. This is not unusual. An unnamed pastor of a big maybe the biggest Baptist
church in a major city in Colorado (I'd have to dig to get the city but the size
of the church indicated and years involved should help identify) was also
a satanist leader in the ritual abuse not mere philosophy category.

Frankly, that makes a lot of sense. hard core Baptists preach once saved always saved, predestination to damnation or salvation (an easy excuse for
anything) and a hostility to everything remotely Roman Catholic, which of course means no holy water no blessed objects, etc., which
inhibit evil. (I mean supernatural stuff not just ideas.) After the protestant Calvinist version takeover in England and Ireland, when
the dust settled, what did you have? destroyed churches and monasteries (granted
some of the latter were involved in evil) and although an effort on the surface
to curtail folk practices that were pagan in origin, a striking lack of the usual
anti devil stuff that would be in churches and put to use periodically (house
blessings, fields and livestock blessing, etc.). so who stands to gain? Meanwhile
because of the persecution, the entity inviting holdover pagan practices in folk
traditions among those secretly still at least nominally Catholic might be
clung to all the more in a reaction.
 
"General V's and my aths haven't crossed since 1987. I recall and consider him as a very gracious gentleman and distinguished soldier."

and with snail mail and email you can deal with someone daily and never cross paths with them in person.

 
Terry Melanson,

your articles are very good.
 
Thank you. I appreciate it. And Anonymous above as well (I misunderstood the comment and only glossed over it too hastily).

Wanted to ask if you know if Vallely is the same Paul Vallely that wrote two books on Pope Francis. Is he a Catholic? The results at Amazon for Paul Vallely has another book from someone of the same name: The New Politics: Catholic Social Teaching for the Twenty-First Century. But then there's another book (still under a Paul Vallely) that seems to be a neocon warmongering offering, with an introduction by no less than conspirator/Dominionist/Council for National Policy member Ollie North: Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror.

I admit I know very little about the man and I should be thanking Constance - and I do - for even bringing him to our attention. I don't watch FOX News and try my hardest to tune out the bomb-everyone-against-Israel crowd.
 
Wikipedia says nothing about his religion real or alleged. Seems he was in the
Plame Affair

"The Plame Affair[edit]

Vallely made the following statement to World Net Daily on November 5, 2005 regarding the disclosure of Valerie Plame's CIA affiliation:


Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Joseph C. Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA employee over the course of at least three, possibly five, conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts....Vallely says, according to his recollection, 'Wilson mentioned his wife's job in the spring of 2002' -- more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column identified her, citing senior administration officials, as "an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction."[8]

Vallely later said that only one such conversation had occurred:


After recalling further over the weekend his contacts with Wilson, Vallely says now it was on just one occasion – the first of several conversations – that the ambassador revealed his wife's employment with the CIA and that it likely occurred some time in the late summer or early fall of 2002.[9]

Joseph C. Wilson denied ever having disclosed his wife's CIA status to Vallely, and his attorney wrote to Vallely and World Net Daily demanding a retraction, as reported in that publication.[10]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Vallely

the book you mention is stated in the Wikipedia article as only co authored with McInerny amazon.com only lists McInerny as coauthor for the AD 2006 edition but
adds Ollie north for the AD 2004 edition. Sounds like a cleanup of image effort.

the pope francis book scroll down to details on the author and it is clearly a
different Paul Vallely

"Paul Vallely has an international reputation as a commentator on religion, ethics and society. As a journalist he has produced award-winning reporting from 30 countries over three decades for which he was nominated for the UN Media Peace Prize. As an activist on international development he has worked with Bob Geldof and Bono and was co-author of Our Common Interest, the report of The Prime Minister's Commission for Africa. As a writer his books include The New Politics: Catholic Social Teaching for the 21st century and Bad Samaritans: First World Ethics and Third World Debt. He writes on political, cultural and ethical matters in the New York Times, the Sunday Times, Newsweek, The Guardian, The Independent on Sunday, the Church Times, Third Way and The Tablet. He is now Visiting Professor in Public Ethics and Media at the University of Chester, and also a Senior Honorary Fellow at the Brooks World Poverty Institute at the University of Manchester. Vallely has been an adviser to the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales and lives in Manchester with his wife and son.
Please visit www.paulvallely.com"
 
Oops. My bad. I should've looked at the author bio. I jumped the gun and put two and two together simply because of the Ollie North connection, knowing that the latter was a dominionist and there are more than a few Catholic dominionists.
 
I wonder if the "senior administration officials" ratting out Plame consisted
of Vallely himself?
 
I think he should be charged with treason. He's a danger to the Republic and can't be trusted. Nip it in the bud immediately.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2014/01/28/3213361/

If you openly advocate a coup, then ratting on a CIA agent would be another day's work for such a morally repugnant man.
 
http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/tag/paul-e-vallely/

this is a sovereign citizen on steroids type operation, and Vallely was a guest
on its radio or internet radio whatever show at this link. I haven't listened to
it.

I think he is part of what my source calls "the group," core religion of the core
group is Satanism of one form or another, and preferred politics is militia.
Definitely seems to fit the profile.
 
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/paul-vallely-denies-absolutely-false-coup-statements-he-absolutely-made

Vallely caught in a big lie. article mentions tape showing he lied.

"Former Army general turned right-wing activist Paul Vallely is vehemently denying the fact that he said he would support the overthrow of President Obama. He recently posted this brief statement on the homepage of his website: MG Vallely Statement – Talk of Coup Support FALSE! “Statements on the web and elsewhere that attribute me as supporting a coup are absolutely false. From the day I took my oath as a young Army lieutenant to this very day I have supported and defended the Constitution of the United States. A coup is counter to the guiding principles laid out there. Disagreement and dissension are not! It’s time for change in America and I support that change – but only in a lawful, Constitutional manner.” - MG Paul E. Vallely (US Army-Ret.) Unfortunately for Vallely, we have the audio from a Tea Party event at which he said that while he opposes an anti-Obama revolution, he would “certainly head it if we had to.”
 
I tried listening to the RNN taped interview I had to turn him off after a few
seconds, something in his voice makes me physically revolted and like I might
want to throw up if I listened much longer. nothing to do with what he says, its
his voice, something about himself or he's using some kind of trance induction
technique in his speaking style. revolting.
 
"reports from many sources..."

But MCE, you give no reliable sources.

What good is your information then?

You just love the sound of your own voice telling, for the moment, only gossip.
This hinders because this is more of your broad brush and unverified, not targeted to be helpful, "stuff".
Just filler and fodder at this point.
Thanks for nothing.
Post real or don't post.
 
What a team. Between Melanson and Christine readers here can become masters of New Age trivia, and since New Age ideas have a history going back hundreds of years, you'll be kept busy. If you want to learn how New Age leaders and their ideas have taken control of the world outside your door, you're on your own. Understand clearly what is meant by New Age workers when they put provisions made for dissidents on your doorstep, all convenient, trustable and within easy reach.
 
anon 12:56

I doubt you would consider ANY source reliable. like I said, I'd have to dig for
the details on the one example I gave, and to get everything would probably take
weeks.

why don't you dig into the subject yourself?
 
"Is Vallely more involved with occultism than he lets on?"

Yes.
 
Why not do it right in the first place?

That would probably cut you posting down to near zero, so you won't bother to actually verify.
Thanks for nothing.
 
"If you want to learn how New Age leaders and their ideas have taken control of the world outside your door, you're on your own"

on the contrary, once you understand the ideas and their origins, you can recognize
them when they crop up, and you can even recognize the early stages of reversion
to paganism of an obvious sort, when those stages aren't that recognizable yet.

New Age is both spiritual and political. it is techniques used to help all agendas,
left and right, and it is politics that the promoters of which hope will put them
in total power, or put some entity possessed people in power. What those politics
are, whether nationalist or anti nationalist, whether free market or communist or rab idly
anti communist racist or all equal or whatever depends on what works at the moment.

the love of being sunk in something greater than oneself, a mass movement, is seductive
no matter the cause served whether it is Tea Part or Communist Party.
 
Red Ice Creations? LOL can you smell CIA propaganda????
 
You are what you feed on right?
Christine's whole life is consumed with filler and fodder.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceZVtMxUWTo

The Bible is like a knife that cuts through the New Age confusion. Try it.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-conservative-revolt-is-brewing-inside-the-vatican/2015/09/07/1d8e02ba-4b3d-11e5-80c2-106ea7fb80d4_story.html

This will not end well because rule one is the pope is always right and rule two is if the pope is wrong see rule one and then get ready for the inquisition.
 
Bless you 1:18 PM.


 
Christine, more blah blah blah time filling comments. Anyone who doesn't know by now that you are a New Age troll isn't very sharp. Constance keeps you around because as she said she loves you, loveable little whackadoodle that you are. You fill up space for her blog. You are needed because there aren't enough posters who repeat over and over again "Forget New Age. Read the Bible." Most ssrious researchers left a long time ago. Some of us pop around to see if there are any newcomers.
 
where does Red Ice Creations turn up on this page? one of the videos linked here I didn't watch? Red Ice and so forth aren't favorite shows but sometimes there
is something worth hearing on them.
 
Read The Bible. that will address the spiritual side, but not the political. there is no biblically mandated form of government or of economics. There are some overall
issues of justice, and a denunciation in one of the Prophets of people who name
their huge properties after themselves (sounds like "so and so manor" eh?) and who
add property to property until there is nothing left for others.

The effort of anyone to create a world empire is of course usually motivated by pride and ambition and vainglory. and greed. that is the motive behind sometimes
competing and sometimes cooperating power blocs trying to make a one world government
now. Ironically, the present Russian desire is for a multipolar world, and the American is for a single world power, that of America. a monopolar power scheme
that existed for a while after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Hereditary monarchy is not condemned as automatically evil, neither is democracy
exalted as an absolute good. But issues of justice and examples of evil in power
solely because of family connection are given, that would be a good reason to
have limited government and transparency and free press - which means government
intervention to prevent the condition we now have, of most of the media being
owned by a handful of people. A small handful. All the corporations track back to
owners which corporations themselves track back to owners, fewer and fewer up
the pyramid. Ted turner's empire is a case in point. Limits are placed on power
over subordinates and power over one's children in the Bible. nothing is an
absolute except the absolute of godliness.
 
anon 1:18

the usual total garbage. the antichrist is ONE INDIVIDUAL. no pope has clearly
stated himself to be God, only the primary representative and agent (i.e., "vicar,"
that's what the word means) of God on earth. (which is false, but not the same
kind of falsehood.) No pope has required anyone take a tattoo or be unable to
legally engage in commerce.

God have mercy on you.
 
Christine let slip the following:

"...to get everything would probably take weeks."

This is why most of what we find on the internet is half-baked or from-the-hip speculation, and not real research. That goes also for YouTube's self-proclaimed experts, bloggers, etc, etc, etc.

Nobody wants to put the real time into arriving at a well-researched conclusion, based on multiple sources, and arranged in a logically ordered way.

My own way of looking at it is this: If you can publish a book (not a self-published one on the internet, but one that has gone through a review and editing process), then I figure the information you are presenting has already been somewhat vetted, and it's not a complete waste of time to read what you have to say.

YMMV, as they say.


 
a lot of publishers wouldn't touch this stuff. and I have generally had a lot on
my plate besides this. I did the research, saved a lot of the sources printed out
in boxes and came to conclusions. One person mentioned online about the double
life as Christian clergymen, and I emailed him and he gave me more details, incl.
the name of the church. the problem people were gone, except maybe one, but the
looks of all the clergy and staff were new agey insipid whatnot, totally non threatening and a little goofy which makes no sense unless they are putting on an
act. it had been at that time at least ten years. Constructing an insipid mildly
revolting but not likely to be suspected of anything persona to be your Christian
face would be nothing for these people to do. They were almost too insipid, like
people in some movie about a town that seems Stepford Wife or rather Stepford People and turns nasty now and then at certain times of the year, that sort of
horror movie.
 
"Read The Bible. that will address the spiritual side, but not the political.."

God falls short again then huh?
You think others (meaning all the rest of us) incapable of understanding where all this is at and where it is all heading so you must beat the topic to death and beat us over the head for not seeing it your way.



So it is up to you to do this yourself ;) as per your quote: "the love of being sunk in something greater than oneself, a mass movement, is seductive
no matter the cause served whether it is Tea Part or Communist Party."
You have bought your own hype LOL, you crusader you!
Oh, to have a following worthy of all of your vast knowledge and expert wisdom ;) !

The bible is revealing so much for us to see, and yes, we can tell the political landscape by what it is showing us today--with everyday more to add to what has been shown already------without you and even in spite of you!!!!!! Read 1 Chronicles 12:32 and see what God can reveal to those who are of his mind and heart. You've missed that boat......

MCE, you need to go comb your hair, brush your teeth, and change out of your pajamas and superman cape sitting there at your computer, getting off the internet long enough to view the real world and see that God has already called it.

Your idea of research is a joke.
 
God does not fall short. He simply does not present the "biblical economics"
and "biblical kind of government" you people think He does. The very democratic
government we have with republic format, is itself a product of enlightenment
anti monarchic illuminist/masonic conspiracy and revolutionism plus the influence
of pagan politics from the past.

That doesn't mean it can't be done in a godly way, same as any other form of
government. And it might be easier if Christianity were pursued more and some
changes made in the Constitution to do it more godly than has been done lately.

But the picture the Bible presents DOES NOT FIT libertarianism or some forms
of conservatism, any more than it fits fascism, racism or communism of the forced
kind.
 
BTW there is a lot you people take for granted and see nothing odd about a
woman speaking in public worse yet to a mixed group, or young men who do
not own property having the vote.

yet both of these were UNTHINKABLE abnormalities to the Founding Fathers and
for a few generations after. There are things you take for granted as righteous
laws regarding well being of workers, that were not only absent from law but
fought for by unions who were confronted with armed thugs hired by the bosses,
and sometimes by the Army itself in the 1800s.

what you recognize now as biblically correct decency and common sense, was
called "communism!" when it was fought for tooth and nail.

you think of racism and eugenics as new age and leftist but this was once
standard mainline thought of earlier generations and embodied in laws. The
better historically educated (however wrong on some points) liberal press
refers to this stuff CORRECTLY as "rightist."
 
You missed the point again------and added even more things to your already long-winded treatise, that you can only speculate about what I believe about biblically correct decency, etc., etc.,...

...so add to what was stated: your idea of research is a joke, and so is your idea of what is a good discussion.

Lady, I think the Founding Fathers would think you a thug, and an abnormality LOL!
 
Excuse me, not treatise.

Your self-aggrandizing manifesto.
 
anon 3:31

okay I'll bite I chron 12:32 what does it say?

"And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do: the heads of them were two hundred; and all their brethren were at their commandment."

where are you coming from, British Israelism America is Israel?

or perhaps you just mean "men that had understanding of the times, to know what [fill in country name]ought to do:"

How does this sound? we are headed for judgement, we are going to get a smackdown,
its too late to repent to stop it, but we have a future of sorts or our kids do.

Start learning Russian and Chinese, and study the cultures (especially figure out
which subculture might be occupation troops) and learn to get along, and if they
count us for a time as inside their new expanded borders, how to fit in and
operate comfortably in the political system. not as infiltrators to destroy, but
to work the system to our personal and collective benefit and forget about
revolt just use the situation to draw more to Christ.

Follow the model of Jeremiah's advice to Israel (ignored of course) and of Daniel.
 
Understanding of the times, with wisdom from on high to give glory to God while still here drawing breath.

Should be enough for any believer, anywhere, anytime.

No cape needed. You should remove yours and live by faith, not your presumptions.

And this gem?
"Start learning Russian and Chinese, and study the cultures (especially figure out
which subculture might be occupation troops) and learn to get along, and if they
count us for a time as inside their new expanded borders, how to fit in and
operate comfortably in the political system. not as infiltrators to destroy, but
to work the system to our personal and collective benefit and forget about
revolt just use the situation to draw more to Christ."
You have all the makings of an crusading dominionist and wannabe pied piper.


You're killin' me LOLOLOLOL!!!!
 
reading that passage in context, of course give glory to God, but it was not about worship per se. I don't see you giving glory to God just bitching at me.

"crusading dominionst" you really don't know anything about anything do you? soul winning isn't limited to dominionism, and survive under occupation is an issue
regardless of religion.

and you obviously have not been paying attention to what is going on, and to what
everyone's capabilities are.
 
MCE, you have not one shred of the understanding that was given to the "sons of Issachar" for the times we are in, do you?
And you as a soul winner? You want someone to take statement seriously???????

Obviously your cape is tied on too tight.
 
The commandments given to each human being through the Bible can be divided into two categories, one's responsibilities to God and one's responsibilities to community members. All utopian visions, including the entire New Age movement are man made plans to bring about an equivalent of a messianic age where all humans will live in harmony, hence the title New Age. However all utopian ideas are developed by men whose responsibilities are only to themselves and their comrades. The rest of the community is given the choice to go along or get out.

That is exactly what is happening under the self-appointed New Age leadership. Go along and agree to become dumbed down by lack of awareness and as a result response. A straight forward violation of the commandment not to bear false witness.

When CC wrote her books she was following the commandment which showed responsibility to and for one's community members. She was living up to her Christian responsibility to follow the commandments.

Christine, I'm not sure which commandments you value. Then again you may not murder anyone except indirectly by giving false information.
 

"God have mercy on you." MCE

LOL! He has and I own Him everything. I know this is a threat from the beast from the mouth of the witch with her cape on too tight. Thanks
I love it when you react this way, makes my day. I must be in so many different locations of the Lucifer shit list by now...LOL! Why not just go for it then??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH9AumBHSP8&list=PLE1CB721E3CA65D76
 
Christine Erickson is as of that very "useful and helpful" type ;) , who is aware that the ship is going down, but all the while, is of the opinion, that the deck chairs of the Titanic are in need of rearranging.

Thanks for nothing.
 
7:13 so true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
 
JUSTINE (aka CHRISTTINE):
And Anonymous for that matter:

re:

"Start learning Russian and Chinese, and study the cultures (especially figure out
which subculture might be occupation troops) and learn to get along, and if they
count us for a time as inside their new expanded borders, how to fit in and
operate comfortably in the political system. not as infiltrators to destroy, but
to work the system to our personal and collective benefit and forget about
revolt just use the situation to draw more to Christ."

uh, fellahs, Russia has been Christian for a thousand years, and China now has more practicing Christians than Europe, if you believe those who have estimated how many attend underground churches.

They could teach you something about Christ.



 
And could I note again: I read these comments to find links and comments on what is posted, but usually the discussion degenerates into Justine trolling against infidels like Catholic or other Christians who don't agree with her.

Please tell her to get her own blog and stop using your bandwidth.
 
China is on the way to becoming majority Christian and maybe will have its own Costantine moment
for lack of a better term. Russia has always had tons of nominal and "dual faith." conditions described by some
priest here and a traveler there indicated a severe lack of actual Christianity even
on the part of churchgoers long before the
Bolshies took over, and now is experiencing a restoration of Christianity. People llike Ahrinocski who could yell "Christ is risen!" while he was telling
some female reporter he didn't like she should get screwed by a
barrack full of soldiers and who is into occultism should tell you something
right there. the lack of chastity of the men also testifies to
a problem in actual Christianity. In the 1800s, Khomiakov from the nobility and a theologian was chaste, something it was commented on as
rare in his social circle.
 
anon 6:16

I value all the commandments and I don't give false information, like the people
(just for starters) who claim the pope is the antichrist
as if a series of men who do not fit the description are what a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL described is referring to.

If occasionally I err it is not information that I know or believe to be false. I used to buy that Alexander Hislop slop but
I haven't for decades.

Figuring out how to deal with occupation is not rearranging chairs on the titanic deck. And face it, there is going to be evil of one sort
or another in the world until Jesus Christ comes back. If you think the New Age or whatever is going to be eliminated by your efforts or anyone
else's you are not reading the Bible. It can however be curtailed and safe zones so to speak created or salvaged geographically.
 
""God have mercy on you." MCE

LOL! He has and I own Him everything. I know this is a threat..."

"God have mercy on you" reads by you as a threat?

that proves to me that you are mentally ill.
 
"Every genocide has a silver lining



So the Middle East conflicts may be killing thousand and displacing a couple million people but hey, there is less air pollution says the LATIMES.


The cleaner air is the result of “international boycotts, armed conflict and related mass migration of people,” said study leader Jos Lelieveld, director of the atmospheric chemistry department at the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry in Mainz, Germany. “The changes are so large that they can be seen from space.”
-----------------

and it's not just war that will clean up the air. One major source of pollution is Chinese industry.

With the economic slowdown in China, expect this industrial pollution to get better.

Of course, an economic collapse may hurt a lot of folks, and not just in China, and even lead to civil insurrections, but hey, the air will be cleaner...

Posted by Nancy Reyes at 8:04 AM "

I do hope you posted that as sarcasm and showing how depraved analysts can be, and not that you agree and are depraved yourself.
A recent horrific dust storm however may have scaled back these, er, gains.
 
"a constitutional crisis is quickly approaching which may require the U.S. military to take action domestically to save the Republic" according to the
description of the audio file an interview with Vallely and McInerney. I notice
Vallely's voice is more normal perhaps because he is talking to people less
triggerable so don't bother. the sovereign crew might well have some prior
programming however mild. maybe on the other interview he changed his voice later,
I didn't wait for it.

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/11/mcinerney-vallely-lay-out-the-plan-for-defcon-1-2466486.html

complains of Obama not wanting the USA to be a global superpower and promote economic growth and freedom around the world. which adds up to economic growth and
freedom from accountability for elites, global and local. Granted Obama is a creep.
But there are other possible biases besides this one to have when opposing him.
 
the mention of Britain going to full alert is probably that incident where they
were about to do a first strike, along with us (except for a base commander
not cooperating) on Russia a few months ago. though some of that story comes from
a very dubious source, parts are confirmable and the overall behavior surrounding
this, and Russia going on full alert and Putin disappeared for two weeks, and then
it turns out Internet information including British security was routed through
Ukraine and reachable by Russia, well, that makes the story look credible.
 
"that proves to me that you are mentally ill." Said Lucifer.

Your pope is a man. Sorry if that offends you. (not) Maybe people who think he is a god are mentally ill?
 
where does Red Ice Creations turn up on this page? one of the videos linked here I didn't watch? Red Ice and so forth aren't favorite shows but sometimes there
is something worth hearing on them.

1:39 PM

Terry Malanson links to them on his blog, your friend.
 
God is not a marxist or a fascist and He does NOT believe that Agenda 21 is a good idea. That puts the pope at odds with God. God who is the Holiest, Most Worthy, Most Powerful Creator. If he is Christ on earth than are we to believe that Christ is at odds with GOD? Oh...oh....god bless you, you little mentally ill freaks who have figured this out....MCE says mercy on your souls....(cause we'll get you for opposing us, just wait)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsqa-YHE36A

Just like the Spanish Revolution videos we should be acquainted with the collapse in Argentina which happened while a man named Bergoglio was Bishop of Buenos Aries. This was no small problem and they are still in court in New York because that is where they signed away jurisdiction for their crazy bank loans that can never be paid back. This all fits in line with the Jesuits who come out of the cult to tell about how getting the cities in debt is step one of the Jesuit plan. Certainly Agenda 21 starts with massive transportation boondoggles like building trains that never get built but do go on as projects forever and ever. One needs just to look at their own city.
 
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

best website for the Argentina collapse is 'Surviving Argentina". He has a book as well, maybe two. His you tube channel is full of videos explaining the ground level day-to-day lives. if you have never heard of him you might go back and start watching his videos earlier. He books include lots of self defense tactics. I do believe it will be worse here and that the 'heretics' (non-global warming believers) will be targets. Of course the guillotines are in storage on military bases. However, I believe it is important to remember Argentina as it relates to these topics.
 
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/how-the-world-really-is-un-imf-vatican-etal-by-anonymous/question-3419957/

IMF and vatican
 
anon 9:13

"your pope is a man" I AM NOT ROMN CATHOLIC YOU IDIOT.

are you really really new here? I am ex protestant convert to EASTERN ORTHODOXY.
we do not recognize the pope and Rome developed deviations from its Orthodox roots,
while keeping the same core Trinitarian and Chalcedonian Christology as us that the
protestants kept. And then went into schism from us in AD 1054, after an escalation
of false claims of papal supremacy and closed the Byzantine (not Byzantine rite
under pope that is "uniate" from the Middle Ages or more recent) churches that were
in southern Italy (because for a while southern Italy went under Constantinople
jurisdiction then back to Rome) and we had Latin rite churches in Constantinople
and closed those. BOTH sides committed sacrilege in the error of thinking that
each other's Eucharists were not valid. After that Rome excommunicated Constantinople,
and the rest of the patriarchates sided with Constantinople, and (not for the first
time) excommunicated the Roman pope, and it went from there, with Rome going into
more and more error.

I repeat, I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE POPE OF ROME. I am ORTHODOX not Roman Catholic.
 
anon 9:17

like I said, Red Ice and some others are not my regular favorites, but they sometimes have good
interviews, with people who also get interviewed on channels you probably do approve.

I repeat, the same people who get interviewed on Red Ice often turn up on other
channels some of which you probably approve.

now, how do you know that what you are listening to isn't CIA or related propaganda? you don't. you can't. the best you can do is judge the value of each
guest, never mind what Red Ice interviewers themselves say.

Frankly, I think most of the alternative media, Red Ice included, is NEw Age
compromised, and CIA is less of an issue. They have their hands in all the media
search "operation mockingbird" and that would include Fox and all your favorites.

use discernment on everything.

for example, on that interview I linked to, McInerney and Vallely mostly say correct
things and point out real threats. However they are pushing for a solution that
is more in line with sovereign citizen and related militia thinking, and would
put them and their kind in charge. And it would not be good.

The problem is not just finding a piano tuner who uses correct equipment (Constance
will know what I'm talking about).

The problem is finding a good piano tuner who will not sneak a bug or a bomb into
your piano when you aren't looking, or rig something to make it easier for your
house to be broken into later.

That is the analogy with MCInerney, Vallely, Boykin, and whoever.


 
http://www.standupamericaus.org/tea-party/mg-vallely-i-repeat-i-am-not-in-charge-of-or-part-of-oas/

Vallely's latest screed. denies being a part of Operation American Spring.
 
"Figuring out how to deal with occupation is not rearranging chairs on the titanic deck"

You exactly prove my point. You are going by your own screwed up wits (I'm telling you that cape is too tight and choking off oxygen to your brain MCE).

You neither know the plan of God revealed and still being revealed as we speak, and you have no true faith (some half-baked orthodox lip-service) in God but instead in your faith is in yourself, "figuring it out", to fit your own perversions of Holy Scripture. MCE, you are not open to the leading of the Spirit but only in allegiance to your own brainpower. here shortly you will get your real education (well I hope you will but whatever.........)

That alone has you way off course. From your own words anyone can see that you have the heart of stone that the bible talks about and not a heart of flesh that recognizes it's own fallibility. Your way or the highway......
The cape you are wrapped up in is your own pride. What a living shame you actually think yourself worthy to expound scripture to anyone and tell us how to view the world, right now in this present day or even from the history books.

Did your resident seer tie that cape on for you or do you just play dress-up yourself???
 
anon 10:42

I think you have outted yourself as some halfbaked probably semi heretical deceived
dreamer. and lots of pride.

"You neither know the plan of God revealed and still being revealed as we speak"

really? if you are talking about Scripture ALONE and not "revelations" in some special remnant elite hypercharismatic scene then you are reading too much into it, if you think it provides all details on what will happen in each geographic region or state of the USA and when.

"and you have no true faith (some half-baked orthodox lip-service) in God but instead in your faith is in yourself, "figuring it out","

"God have given us....a sound mind" 2Tim. 1:7
And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind:" I Chron. 28:9

"And it came to pass after this, that Joash was minded to repair the house of the LORD." 2 chron. 24:2

"Come now, and let us reason together, says the LORD" Isaiah 1:18

Titus 1:15 and I Tim 6:5 refers to corrupt minds, and their results which implies
there are sound minds by comparison.

"to fit your own perversions of Holy Scripture. "

so explain how and why what I have said is a perversion of Holy Scripture.

the entire book of Proverbs is about wisdom which is about USING YOUR MIND. it gives some
guidelines sometimes to help you figure stuff out. Jesus refers to the wise who
build their houses on rock and the foolish who build them on sand.

doesn't look like you stand up too well.
 
and where do you get all this cape stuff?
 
http://isgp.nl/Pilgrims_Society02

I'd recommend reading the entire http://isgp.nl site.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s00nTjaKB7U Truth on the Tracks with Brandon Turbeville - Vallely, Aquino, Pedophilia and Satanism 6-15-2015
 
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gen-jerry-boykin-and-gen-jack-ripper

Boykin compared to Gen. Jack D. Ripper of Dr. Strangelove. Lots of information in
text below it. Boykin says a lot that is true, cleverly mixed with problematic
things. the writer of course dismisses everything as garbage, which is an error.
But it is humorous and informative.

particularly the Waco mess. And Boykin was one of those who supported going ahead
with the raid, when the information it was going to happen was somehow mysteriously
leaked. One of the ATF officers who approved going ahead, was recognized by my
informant from a human sacrifice event.

the preferred politics of the multilayered devil worship crew is militia/sovereign.
this appeals to the sin of pride, crippling a Christian who is involved in this.
This multilayered group at the bottom doesn't know everything, some may not even know about the devil worship at the top.

Stop and think: what could be more dangerous than a theocratic government, run by
closet Satanists, who pretend to be servants of Jesus Christ, and to oppose them or
criticize anything is to oppose and/or criticize Jesus Christ? This would be on a
par with the worst view the most extreme Hisloppian protestants have about the pope.

people like this could run the hypothetical FEMA camps and round up all the bad
people and exterminate them including if any support the nephilim hybrid idea that
they had identified the DNA of such and were grabbing those non humans regardless
of religion or politics also.

and the people who put them in power to prevent such moves by the present USA federal government,
would cheer.

Among the rounded up would of course be people, either to kill or incarcerate for life,
various sorts that DO need eliminating, the violent gangs and so forth. the abortionists
(you can be sure the new ruling class would have secret abortions when they want
them), the homosexual activists, and other
corrupters.

And the Christians who don't go for this nonsense. and anyone the new ruling class
doesn't like, including some who reject sexual advances, and might be a risk to
talk about it.

While the opinions Boykin has expressed that satan is back of various stuff are
correct enough, that doesn't mean he isn't serving the devil also.

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

2 Cor. 11:13-15



 
I do hope Constance is paying you well Christine. If not, she should be. If you weren't filling up all of this space on "her" so-called blog, her name would be long gone and forgotten. She would be remembered for the two books she wrote decades ago. It must take a lot of time to dig up all of the non-informative, repetitive sites you post as a distraction from serious information. You have no reputation of any value and your work here detracts from any you might develop elsewhere. You probably aren't spending all of your time here because you think there is some connection with what you are posting and the books she did decades ago. You couldn't be that foolish. As I said, I hope she is paying you well.
 
you are very foolish to think she would be known for nothing much, if this blog
comments section weren't active. there is still the front page.

and you are also very foolish to think that the things I post have nothing to do
with what she wrote. as for my reputation I care nothing for your opinion, and I
have had positive statements and have an outright fan I have talked with on the
phone. from here.

But I care nothing about reputation, only about truth. Apparently you do Freudian
projection, you ascribe to others the concerns you have. and your concerns are
fleshly ambition and pride which are sins condemned in Torah, Prophets, WRitings,
and NEw Testament.

If one or two people benefit from my posts, that is all I care about.
 
The written word has it all for us. Jesus said so. I have told you beforehand He said. Look it up if you dare.
Yes we have minds, but a humble one is turned over to God to be led by the Spirit to interpret, not our own private interpretations such as you do frequently here. Look that one up too while you are at it. What sound mind do you reveal to us in your sheer multitude of words? That is highly questionable and just this thread alone has more than enough proof of that.

If you had truly reasoned with God you would be a humble person and a forgiving person because of having been forgiven yourself. But no. You hate that topic. And besides that, if you had truly reasoned with the Lord as you pointed that verse out, then your words would be full of both grace and truth and not your half-baked versions of either of those as though you hold all truth and dispense it but not to the upbuilding of others, which is the way the Lord does that. You mix truth with lies and you are caustic with others--so ungracious that even in secondary points (not about salvation) where there could and should be liberty--you don't give others that liberty. Your way or the highway, no matter what point you are trying to cram on us.

Another example of your lack of common courtesy and grace is when putting your words in our mouths (like you know our thoughts and understandings which you absolutely do not, so you do not know what you broadcast here). You just scatter this blog with your surmisings of what you have judged us to be thinking. That is arrogant---as you twist the words of others--But worse still is especially twisting God's words which you are known for doing, putting words in God's mouth that he has not said either. Shameful behavior on your part and you won't own it, that that is what you do.

MCE you not who you think you are--------yet you subject this place to your glut of half-truths, and unsourced, unverified "facts" making you nothing more than a gossip, and assumptions that miss the mark so often that you are batting zero.
This webpage is full of your wood, hay, and stubble thinking instead of the real gems of truth that God has given through His word. You are no bible scholar, and in any and every other topic, you make a lousy adviser and historian to boot, because everything has your own slant upon it.

No topic here at "what MCE thinks" goes unmolested by you.


Take off your cape "superman" because we can see right through you, and your massive ego.
 
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-francis-expresses-hope-for-catholic-orthodox-unity/


thanks 1:25 and she is not a Catholic in her own mind
 
1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the "How dare you!" gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such "arguable rumors". If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a "wild rumor" which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.


 
25 Rules of Disinformation AND 20 more you can see MCE and what she is doing

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/
 
"but a humble one is turned over to God to be led by the Spirit to interpret, not our own private interpretations such as you do frequently here."

I let the Bible interpret itself I don't run off in fantasy land and pretend The
Holy Spirit is guiding me.

As for forgiveness, Jesus said when to reject and cut a person out of your life
as one to avoid (to view such as a heathen and a publican) when they are not
repentant. you hate to look at Jesus' words when they strengthen the hearer against
all kinds of boundary violations and abuse.

as for putting words in your mouth, I go by your own words, their implications, what you harp on, etc. etc. Jesus said you will be judged by the words that come
out of your mouth and that out of the treasure of a man's heart his mouth speaks.

anon 1:37

the only way RC and Orthodox can have unity is on ORTHODOX terms. if some Orthodox
jurisdiction accepts Rome on its own terms and lets their teachings be in its
seminaries and submits uncanonically to the pope, then the rest of Orthodoxy will
have to separate from that jurisdiction.
 
anon 1:44 and 1:47

this sounds more like what my detractors are doing.
 
I think her obsessive pesting (posting) indicates more than one operative or a graduate class at Stanford or something, since she is practically on campus.
 
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough “jargon” and “minutiae” to illustrate you are “one who knows”, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
 
Blogger Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 1:44 and 1:47

this sounds more like what my detractors are doing.

1:49 PM

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See how she can't take responsibility and projects, she is a fraud.
 
I am not projecting. YOU are projecting. you do the kind of crap described all the time. I am tired of you people, you aren't worth talking to, I think I will
ignore you. you jam this blog with your comments contribute nothing at least you
can't prove you have because you are anonymous, and your baiting of me results in
additional posts, some of which have information that may help some and some don't.

So I think I will ignore you for a while.
 
http://www.sott.net/article/252272-Pay-for-comments-Confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-internet-shill

Pay for Comments: Confessions of a paid disinformation internet shill
ExShill
The Tap Blog
Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:51 UTC
Note from WuW: Government trolls. Disinformation shills. Call them what you want, they are real.

Every day at WuW, we see "comments" submitted on our articles that are blatantly composed by trolls. Lengthy, well written comments designed to steer the conversation in a pro-government, pro-status quo direction. They pose as readers and first-time commenters, but post essay length commentary quoting "expert" government research on a range of topics, question those who question the government line, and urge us to believe in the path chosen for us by our trusted leaders. If we believe them, everything is and has always been ok. No further questions need to be asked. Those who do are paranoid.

Site moderation is something we take very seriously at WuW. We offer a platform for different voices and opinions to be expressed, and it is therefore quite rare that we suppress a reader's comment from being posted on the site. But we're not stupid, and we won't let our site be undermined. We know government trolls and paid disinformation shills are real, and we can pick their work a mile away. It has a certain... quality. And they prove us right! The troll comments we supress are often re-submitted, again and again, word for word, from a variety of reader aliases and email addresses.

Like I said... we're not stupid.

This is the story of a man who, due to economically hard times, accepted a job as an internet disinformation shill. After only 6 months, he resigned. He was no longer was able to look himself in the mirror.

.....I am writing here (ATS Forum) to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. ATS was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn't look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.
 
I am not projecting. YOU are projecting.

*LOL !!! that what your are what am I?

you do the kind of crap described all the time.

*Again projecting.

I am tired of you people, you aren't worth talking to, I think I will
ignore you.

*personal insult and get out of the kitchen cause it's too hot and you have been exposed.

you jam this blog with your comments contribute nothing at least you
can't prove you have because you are anonymous,

*personal insults blame the victim

and your baiting of me results in
additional posts, some of which have information that may help some and some don't.

* she is the expert here not us

So I think I will ignore you for a while.

*Good GO

1:57 PM
 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jksW466X410/TRFihGm0W3I/AAAAAAAAAXU/S4var85ZHeI/s1600/fat-woman-internet_1654487i.jpg
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biQw3AJQzcU those considering preparedness
or relocating should look at this, check Mary Greeley's channel every so often
she keeps track of what's going on with Yellowstone and other things. I am mostly
only interested in the Yellowstone information. search the term supervolcano
if you don't know what this is about.

I don't want to hear complaints or refutations. obviously neither Greeley nor I
trust the government or scientists who are on a payroll. and I did not say I would
go away, merely that I am going to ignore you people for a while.
 
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/jerry-boykin

Boykin and Rick Joyner, hypercharismatic crackpot heretic. supposedly the
Constitution came right out of the Bible I never could see anything clearly
biblical aside from the general premise everyone is evil and no one can be
trusted so break up the power elements of government.

I think Joyner is one of the NAR crew and in any case http://herescope.blogspot.com
has plenty of debunking information about him.
 
MCE, you had no reason whatsoever to be arguing in the first place.
Show some discretion and self-restraint by ignoring your own itch to fight here..or else get somebody to scratch it over at your own blog.
 
"Boykin works through his organization Kingdom Warriors. He also serves on the board of the dominionist Oak Initiative" http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/mythical-martyrdom-jerry-boykin

A point was made that his statements could so inflame moslems as to put American
servicemen in danger. I don't buy the general position of the article, but facts
as to what happened and to how it was spun are facts. And he's a dominionist.

http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/calvary_chapel_hawaii_pastors_silenced.html ecumenicist concerns


and a long article that gets around to him

"Lt. General Jerry Boykin’s Secret “Warrior” Recruitment Program



As one reads or recites the facts surrounding Abu Ghraib, one is tempted to ask how the American military, with its code of ethics as reflected in the high traditions of West Point and our Naval Academy—where men and women are imbued in the tradition of honor— could have turned into such a ruthless band of sadists? The answer is: They didn’t. Someone else did it."
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/InfiltratingTheUSMilitaryGenBoykinsWarriors.html

http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/09/lt-gen-boykin-ret-nicholas-papanicolaou.html more information in the links

http://www.dailystormer.com/lt-gen-jerry-boykin-caught-by-hot-mic-jews-are-the-problem/


 
It does get so very puzzling. More puzzling than New Age itself. There is Christine, everyone else who posts here, identified as "you people", possibly imaginary people or those who never share a thought here, and, of course, Constance, though it is unclear whether she is in the category of "you people' since it's never clear whether she is learning from or even listening to Christine.

When Christine writes, "I am tired of you people, you aren't worth talking to, I think I will
ignore you.' does that mean she is still talking to imaginary people or just writing messages to herself. If it is impossible to understand something like this which sounds so simple, how can we possibly understand the other things she posts. Since I am one of the "you people" who she is ignoring, perhaps one of other members of the "you people" tribe could answer this.
 
Its taken me probably 24 hours and deep web search engines but I do got him
nailed.

"The Oak tree from the Oak Initiative logo is adapted to follow

"As above, so below." These are words that circulate throughout occult circles."

http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/09/dark-side-of-oak-tree.html

" Boykin's website admits to being part of Billy Graham's Lausanne Movement.[3] This movement, whose goals are similar to that of the U.N. Millennium Development Goals [4], has expanded worldwide. Lausanne also has its hands on the National Day of Prayer. Its goals and language are New Age, and they will likely assist in usher-in the coming New Age [Masonic] universal christ.[4]

Lt. Gen. Boykin shares the oak tree symbol with another big name in Christian ministry - Rick Warren. On the cover of his Purpose Driven Life, which has sold over 30 million copies, there sits an oak tree."

now maybe someone who is more savvy on this stuff can tell me, in the Oak Initiative case as you can see on the page, the tree top and tree roots resemble each other, and they both float in this yellow bubble with no clear cut demarcation
of land and sky. In the case of the Rick Warren use of the oak, though there is
land and horizon, the roots are totally visible and weird looking. the oak figures in druidry and Nazism. http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2012/06/oak-summit-new-day-is-dawning.html shows a flyer for "a new day is dawning" that sounds like
Nazi and other nationalist fascist triumphalism talk, and a hidden Aquarius symbol
maybe, but the way the oak hangs in the sky in its yellow orb, above the sunrise,
it is not the sun, but more like a harvest moon one of those intensely yellow
almost orange moons near the horizon, odd.

http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-iron-cross-american-christians.html

I think the real ecumenical grounds is the dominionist thing. as was pointed out
in the article, the RC were the original dominionsts, and passed this to Calvin.
amillennialism which teaches a symbolic millennium and satan supposedly bound now
(so howcome we need these exorcists, eh? more like he's crippled not fully bound)
easily morphs into postmillennialism which with a shot of meth so to speak becomes
dominionism.

the page's treatment of the triquetra ignores that the triangle is a Trinitarian
symbol itself, and you have to roll those fish like segments to get the triple six
number, as it is it looks more like 699.



 
anon 4:41 you know damn well that "you people" is you and the rest of the detractors. it was in response to them that that was said.
 
From one "you people" to another, I can tell you that is her callous, ungracious way of telling every last one of us to "stick it" (or something) as she fully intends to post nonstop because no one on earth visits her blog to fight with her there. She said she has one fan, but maybe has worn that poor person out.
She talks down to everyone, including Constance. I don't take it personal, but hold her feet to the fire when she goes off on me.
She believes she is persecuted, but that is her narcissim talking.


Anti-social (lots of rude and crude) with no life except to visit the virtual world to stir up something-anything-as she sits at her computer all day and into the night, wearing her superhero cape.

She must love it or she would stop the behavior or move on, but is quite satisfied with herself, according to her anyway.
I think she is a sad person, morbid even.
 
Christine @ 4:46 PM.

That is nothing new and has been said here already.
Just more of your dead horse routine.
 
"you people" 6:17 I would add frustrated to your description. She appears to be a unique fringe Orthodox Christian who really doesn't like establishment Christianity, one who dabbles with the dot of truth that can be found in almost everything. She can't wait to show off what she has found in her frantic journey around the internet. Even before she gives a second thought to what she just has found, she's off to find something new, to show off and drop as a cat drops a dead mouse before the owner of the house. Then she's off to find a new mouse/idea. It'a wonder she hasn't openly stated she knew all about the New Age movement even before Constance got around to describing it.


She won't discuss an idea with anyone. Instead she pretends she was there first and knows more about it than anyone else. Then she's off on another frantic trip around the internet. She openly expresses her frustration that she isn't recognized as the on call genius. Wonders why it's not happening.

The tragedy is that the New Age movement, though a replay of past utopian planning, is successfully enslaving huge numbers across the world. Christine and others like her are big distractions. On this blog she makes the effort to expose the New Age look like a project of those whose minds are far away from understanding reality.
 
in case you people hadn't noticed, the subject of the past three threads including
this one is whatever dirt can be dug on Vallely McInerney and Boykin because of
their association with each other and Vallely's with Aquino.

Constance was the first to cue me that the new age was dangerous instead of a namby pamby wishy washy joke that took itself too seriously. of course I knew about
hindu and Buddhist theology and some other things, for well over ten years. I'd read some Baily and Blavatsky and wasn't too impressed, I'd rather read a good horror story by H. P. Lovecraft and later on I became Christian after God saved me from a mishandled demon conjuration preliminary situation about to go extremely bad.
the incident was when I was around 23 or 24, I don't know most of my life is a
blank, it took a few years to knuckle down and get baptized, belief I evolution
stood in the way. sometimes I can be stupid.
 
In case you hadn't noticed the thread is about what Constance has brought forward----not your "expert" advice on how we are to process and understand it.
You are in the way of the message and part of the stupid you mention.
 
"mishandled demon conjuration preliminary situation"
Christine, you are still under the influence.


Jesus' salvation is not a namby pamby, wishy washy joke.
Jesus saves from the guttermost to the uttermost.
Let Him do it.

 
regarding proof US Army recognized satanism as legitimate religion for chaplaincy I bought a copy april 1980 "Religious Requirements and Practices of Certain Selected Groups A Handbook Supplement for Chaplains" from military/info PO Box 41211 Plymouth, MN 55441 which sells photocopies of old military manuals.

Table of Contents, Revision chart "Other" Groups lists American Council of Witches,
Church of satan and Gardnerian Wicca among others.

Church of satan is on page VII-21 and reads"

"The original description pertaining to the Church of sata, appears on pages vii-17 through vii-22, in Department of the Army Pamphlet no. 165-13

"No revision in content of original descripition has been made, however, please note change in mailing address listed at top of pabe vii-17 rom
Church of satan po box 7633 San Francisco, California, 94102
to church of satan PO Box 896 Daly City, California, 94017"

That's all.

But that shows that in 1980 it was accepted for chaplaincy issues, and was also
accepted before that in the infamous 165-13 which I think is the thing cited
by Satanists, and predates 1980. Temple of Set is not mentioned in the table
of contents, but might be in the original material on the church of satan.
 
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