When I discovered the existence of the New Age Movement, strangely, the lady I extracted the phrase "New Age Movement" from (Phyllis Warren) did speak to me of events taking place in my home town of Fort Wayne, Indiana. One year later, on March 10, 1982, the day of the New Agers' long awaited "Syzygy". I read in a Detroit Free Press article of a John Davis giving a talk that same day on "the three stages of the Christ's Reappearance." It was in 1988 that Marilyn Ferguson went out of her way to make an unexpected telephone call to me that she was attending a large world-level event in Kalamazoo, Michigan, held by a "Fetzer Foundation." Newspaper articles I then read contemporaneous with that event told of many notables in attendance including the widow of assassinated Egyptian Prime Minister Anwar Sadat, Robert Muller of UNESCO, Laurence Rockefeller, and many others.
What I did not know until the past seven months, starting on December 30, 2018, the day the Detroit Free Press ran a full two and a half page story on former Detroit Tiger owner John E. Fetzer was that a very major center of New Age activity had been centered not so much in California or London, but in Kalamazoo, Michigan -- 125 miles from me as the crow flies.
What I also did not know was that John E. Fetzer had financed much of the New Age activity I had been witnessing. I certainly did not know then that John E. Fetzer had graduated from Emmanuel Missionary College in Berrien Springs, Michigan as the class valedictorian. Ironically, he had given his valedictory speech on his chosen topic of "Faith of Our Fathers." It was a faith from which he shortly after radically departed. Ironically, it was the same faith as in which I was raised in my formative years -- the Seventh Day Adventist Church.
It appears to me, sadly, that John Fetzer tossed out his Bible and replaced it with his new chosen Bible -- first Tesla (with his fascination for technology of radio waves and beyond) and then later with such New Age sources as "The Book of Urantia" (said by some of the Fetzer Institute website sources to have possibly been written by one Kellogg (also a former Seventh Day Adventist). Fetzer was later to put faith in The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ. He also became a true devotee of Alice Ann Bailey and had his close associates recite her channeled "Great Invocation" at his Monday Night meetings that are detailed in Brian C. Wilson's John E. Fetzer and the Quest for the New Age as well as the numerous original sources that Brian C. Wilson used. Those sources were obtainable and downloaded by me from the Fetzer Institute's website.
It also became obvious to me that there had to have been Evangelical "cult expert" sources who were aware of these Fetzer connections back in 1982. They tried frantically to stop my work against the New Age Movement. I now know, for example, that Richard Halverson, president of International Christian Leadership had his personal file on the "Institute of Noetice Sciences," furnished him by his good friends, Paul and Diane Temple. Paul N. Temple was the co-founder and CEO of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. During this very time, John E. Fetzer was on the Board of Directors of IONS (Institue of Noetic Sciences).
It is now my educated guess that the very sophisticated video equipment I witnessed filming Benjamin Creme's lecture in Detroit on November 4, 1981, most likely was furnished by Mr. Fetzer. He owned a large network of radio and television stations as well as the Detroit Tigers. The video was never circulated. Extremely professional bright sodium lighting was employed that night. I suspect I might have personally ruined that video for them. At the end of the evening, everybody was to recite "The Great Invocation." After that, Benjamin Creme was to deliver a message directly channeled through him by "Maitreya the Christ."
Benjamin Creme requested those present to gather closely together for that recitation. A very prim and proper well-dressed black lady who looked like she could have been active and a pillar of the church in any local Baptist church sat next to me. I said to her as gently as I could, "I hope it doesn't offend you, but I will not say the Great Invocation with you. I will say my own prayer." She responded, "no, Honey, that's alright." I said, "the reason I will not say the Great Invocation is that the Bible very clearly said that the antichrist would declare that Jesus was not the Christ. Benjamin Creme has said all evening that Jesus is not the Christ -- but Maitreya is." The woman parroted back what Benjamin Creme had said all evening: "there's been many Christs." I said to her, "there's been only one and HIS NAME IS JESUS." From a few rows around, people were looking at me as if I were from outer space." Friends who came with me were cowering back, afraid I would be ripped limb from limb.
Benjamin Creme re-entered after that intermission and again tu rned his head as close to a full spin of the head as I have ever witnessed. Then he and the audience started chanting: "From the point of light within the Mind of God, May light stream forth . . .
Simultaneous with that, I went nice and loud (the acoustics were wonderful!) "Our Father, who art in Heaven -- Hallowed be THY NAME." I did that every stanza as they recited it. Finally they came to the culmination of their "Great Invocation": "May light and love and power restore the plan on earth and may it seal the door where evil dwells (sort of New Age talk for getting rid of us monotheistic dissidents). Again, I went nice and loud: "MAY JESUS CHRIST RETURN TO EARTH AND END THE EVIL PRESENT IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT."
Well, the funniest thing happened, or may I say it didn't happen. The audience was expectantly waiting from the transmission from "Maitreya." Benjamin Creme waited, waited, and waited. Finally, he said to the audience, that will be all, you are dismissed."
I note for the record that if Benjamin Creme had been making things up, he could have said anything. He was honestly waiting for whatever spirit possessing him to take over. It appears plainly that Maitreya could not come out and play at the Unity Center for Holistic Living on November 4, 1981,
I have now learned from my extensive downloading and reading of the Fetzer archives that John E. Fetzer suffered a great disappointment when the Creme promised "Day of Declaration" of May 20, 1982, did not occur. The worldwide newspaper ads of which I suspect Fetzer had been a primary donor ran on April 25, 1982. On April 25, 1982, Fetzer's chosen psychic, channeler, Jim Gordon, sent John E. Fetzer a letter of congratulations. Earlier on March 10, 1982, Gordon had told Fetzer that the new cycle, including the Bailey prophesied "cleansing action" was beginning.
Benjamin Creme concocted a story that I never believed, mainly because he did not come up with it until five days after he and I had a serious debate over local WRIF Detroit rock station, Sunday night interview. The New Agers had the confidence that Alice Bailey books had given them that no significant opposition could develop. It developed and suddenly they were on the run. It is now clear to me from reading the Fetzer archives that John Fetzer was in some respects in May 1982 like the original 1844 Adventists who sat on the mountain expecting the immediate Second Coming that William Miller had told them would happen on a specific date. It was a huge disappointment to them. May 20, 1982 was a similar huge disappointment for John E. Fetzer.
Fetzer sold his network of radio and television stations and then the Detroit Tigers so he could follow the channeled messages from Jim Gordon and the demons possessing Gordon to establish the Fetzer Institute so the New Age Movement could continue after the 1982 disappointment. I have also now read in those Fetzer archives that they are now confident that they will now succeed whereas in 1982 they failed -- because now a majority hold New Age beliefs.
Time and events will tell, but I think it would be good for the souls of those at the Fetzer Institute who think they are duty bound to implement John E. Fetzer's vision for the New Age to realize that perhaps if John E. Fetzer could come back and talk to them, he would now beg them to cease and desist, much as Jesus warned in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.
My first feelings towards John E. Fetzer were of anger. However, the more I have listened to the Fetzer archive tapes of conversations between him and Jim Gordon, I am realizing I was listening to a thoroughly hypnotized or brain-washed gullible man who was almost child-like in his belief in reincarnation, "the Ascended Masters," and a "New Gospel for the New Age." He was, bluntly and tragically, deceived.
I would charitably tell the Fetzer friends and crew left behind: Carolyn Dailey, Attorney Mike Gergely, Bruce Fetzer and the rest of the associates and staff is that "you don't have to go through with this. To do so, could literally cost you your eternal soul! The eternal consequences for those worshiping the Beast and his image were clearly spelled out in Scripture 2,000 years ago. I submit that should have much more credibility than any "Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ" and the Alice Bailey writings.
May the Lord keep us all free from New Age temptation and deliver us from New Age evil.
CONSTANCE
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2:52 PM
Please explain how your blithely IGNORING climate change rebutting posts (such as Craig's) or dismissing their climate change rebuttal links out of hand or reneging on your promise to read them and give an honest reaction to what they show furthers your agenda here.
Thanks in advance!
We see at 2:52 PM yet AGAIN the SAME tired old endlessly rehashed and reworded Dahlheimer mantra of "When scientific discoveries prove Bible scriptures to be false, and essential Christian doctrines are based on these false scriptures, Christians go into denial..." blah, blah, blah!
And so yet AGAIN glaringly demonstrating the need for a simply done but GREAT compromise:
A 'Mirror' Blogspot of...
My perspective -- What Constance thinks
...where Thomas Dahlheimer (and Christine Erikson?) can post instead of here BUT post there to his/their heart's content.
And if anyone wants to debate him/her they'll have the SAME EXACT type forum as here to do it!
A parallel blog where his endless streams of climate 'crisis' + pro-New Age + anti-Christian, etc. statements can be dumped WITHOUT 'suppressing' his speech and simultaneously clearing up THIS blog for more consistently beneficial use from the pro-Christian perspective (which is a/the fundamental reason for its being established in the first place).
P.S.
Q: Think for a moment, WHO in their right mind would keep posting these "SAME tired old endlessly rehashed and reworded (Dahlheimer) mantra(s)"?
A: A TROLL
P.P.S.
It's very important to realize that simply because we know who Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer is does NOT automatically rule out that he's trolling us.
What IS trolling?
"the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to PROVOKE an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument."
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
"a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting INFLAMMATORY and digressive...messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or BLOG) with the intent of PROVOKING readers into displaying emotional responses...whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Craig,
I have dealt with all of this. the vow can be deduced she says, forward looking tense that I know not a man which is effectively I am one who never knows man.
I don't want or need the text to refer to a vow, its a reasonable deduction, unless Joseph was terminally impotent, had genital cancer and stuff removed, maybe HE had vowed to never replace his wife after she died, and a sexless marriage would fulfill this?
I already said cousins is irrelevant, since brother and sister are biblically (and in many middle eastern and African cultures now) used to refer to half siblings I gave the cites.
So Mary stayed with Elizaeth three months, I got that, but that is still a whole lot shorter than a year. Well within in range of time frame for a widower.
The passage about the dinosaur being made to be played with by the angels doesn't prove a gap but that long after the angels were created the megafauna were suitable playmates for gigantic
angels.
replenish doesn't mean RE fill except in modern English. it meant originally just to fill. (and you can argue what fill means.) neither does the Hebrew indicate anything but fill. https://biblehub.com/parallel/genesis/1-28.htm same term in speaking to Noah, it was a restart.
The whole effort to read gap theory in is because of ignoring everything you try to explain by it, being explained by a. the fall, and subsequent curses (and possibly some genetic engineering by humans) b. the Flood c. that dinosaurs are dragons and d. extensive time frame given by geologists is open to serious doubt incl. that the two radiometric means of dating rocks do not agree with each other on same samples.
anon re epstein, mossad, vatican, third temple - the most self contradictory stuff I've read. Mossad wants to discredit Israel - WHAAAT?!
It would certainly be a dark, dark day indeed if the profound insights of TD (& MCE) were relegated to a parallel blog...
There are no radiometric ways of dating rocks. Not two ways. No ways.
Mary was saying just what it sounds like she was saying.
Joseph was no widower or eunuch or anything other than what the text says he was; a descendant of Judah, just like Mary his betrothed.
My word Christine, must you muddy the waters of every subject that comes up? Is that all you want to do; Not give God the glory and simply believe what in this case is a literal, simple narrative about a young God fearing couple who are doing things the right way? God chose them to be the parents of his Messiah, for goodness' sake! Why must you always be contrary and (in your own mind), one step beyond and above everyone and anyone else in every conversation you've ever been in? It's just hardwired with you I guess. Is that what they call Aspergers? "Little Professors" even when they are five years old and have no idea that they don't know anything, but they figure that they know everything.
Oh well. I believe that you're a Christian in spite of yourself Christine, so...
You're a heck of a lot easier to take than the pagan Dahlheimer and his endless loops. Quoting the Bible over and over out of one corner of his mouth, (trying to hijack the Bibles' eternal authority ), and then saying that the Bible is a bunch of lies out of the other corner of his lying mouth, which doesn't make any sense at all.
He's a true Troll; taking great pleasure in trying to wear down people who believe in Jesus Christ. He's actually trolling God himself when you think about it.
Dahlheimer, your philosophy is a silly shallow pagan retread which you have in common with witches, Freemasons and the New Agers that Constance discovered back in the 80's and has debunked a long time ago. No amount of fifty dollar invented words
can really bring any life to your dead heathen antiChrist spirit.
You must be too afraid that even your allies would find you lost and confused. Why in the world would you keep spewing your confusion here, where no one has ever thought for a minute that there might be something in your rebellion worth considering?
Troll on Trollheimer.
Right on, Paul!
And Re: "'Little Professors' even when they are five years old and have no idea that they don't know anything, but they figure that they know everything."
"Is there a word for 'clever fool?' ... You might be looking for sophomore."
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/17525/is-there-a-word-for-clever-fool
Mayor "Pete" makes faith-based appeal to voters ...
Some interesting things I learned about "Mayor Pete":
Mayor Pete was raised by a former Roman Catholic-priest father and a "religious" but doubting mother. Buttigieg attended a Catholic high school in South Bend. While attending Oxford as a "Rhodes Scholar, he was "drawn to the Church of England and ended up "marrying his husband" in an Episcopal "church," which is the "U.S. counterpart to the Church of England.
Mayor Pete preaches a "social gospel." He purposely ignores the true Gospel, which not only saves us eternally, but also delivers us from the BONDAGE of a sinful life. The two cannot be separated. The true Christian is set free from being a slave to sinful rebellion against God. Mayor Pete is a pretender and a false witness. He declares, by his sinful lifestyle, that he has NOT been set free by being born again by the Spirit of God, but is still in bondage to his master .... Satan.
Don't be fooled by this man's pleasant, gentle, outward demeanor. Inside, he remains an enemy of Christ and His Word. This is the type that Jesus warned us about ... "wolves in sheep's clothing."
Here's the link to the AP article that I recently read regarding him:
https://apnews.com/bf10ec40db0b407f85a45edd1f261819
PS: Buttigieg remains a fervent defender of a "woman's right to choose," i.e. the murder of babies while in their mother's womb. He of course is also fervent in advancing the radical LGBTQ Agenda.
https://biblehub.com/
https://www.christiandailyreporter.com/
http://www.censored.news/
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/
http://badblue.bitnamiapp.com/trendr8.htm
Paul said when referring to me. "Quoting the Bible over and over out of one corner of his mouth, (trying to hijack the Bibles' eternal authority ), and then saying that the Bible is a bunch of lies out of the other corner of his lying mouth, which doesn't make any sense at all."
Paul,
If someone writes a book and you read it and you discover that there are some things in the book that are true and that there are also some things in it that are false you are not going to say "it does not make any sense at all for me to believe what I believe about this book, because everything in it has to be true or everything in it has to be false." That would be crazy. I know for a fact that the whole narrative of the Bible, from Gen. to Rev., is a lie. The creation was not originally pure, then became corrupted, and will ultimately be restored to the purity of its origins. It is a scientifically discover fact that the creation was not original pure, so it can not be restored to the purity of its origins. This does not mean that I can not believe that there are some scripture passages in the Bible that are true. When I post a scripture passage on a Christian blogspot and I know that the Christians reading it believe that all of the Bible scriptures are true and I therefore also know that they have to believe in the Bible passage that I post I can, in this way, lead them to the truth. Example: Rev. 22: 16 [Jesus Said] "I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." The name Lucifer is mentioned only once in the Old Testament and it is translated "Morning Star." This means that Jesus said He is Lucifer. Therefore, if Christians deny this Bible based truth they are hypocrites. It does not make any sense to say that you believe that all of the Bible scriptures tell the true and then not believe what Jesus said in Rev. 22: 16.
Got to hand it to you for your stay on your own message attempt, Mr New Age, thinking you have such pure motives to lead others to the truth using their information. That's quite the dance you are doing on this stage...and not even entertaining.
The problem and trouble is, how can you use rightly use scripture when you take it so severely out of context? And you have no valid point you can make out of your new age fantasy anyway. You're sweating profusely as you're busy pushing on a pull open door.
Yet another failure on your part.
You have racked up many failures here for all this trying. And you don't even have sense enough to be embarrassed.
You get the "gong".
I usually don't pay much attention to Dahlheimer's posts, BUT, in this case, he makes a very important point.
Dahlheimer states (in part):
"Rev. 22: 16 [Jesus Said] "I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." The name Lucifer is mentioned only once in the Old Testament and it is translated "Morning Star." This means that Jesus said He is Lucifer. Therefore, if Christians deny this Bible based truth they are hypocrites. It does not make any sense to say that you believe that all of the Bible scriptures tell the true and then not believe what Jesus said in Rev. 22: 16."
IF, one uses MODERN NEW AGE "translations" such as the NIV (they are actually INTERPRETATIONS), the case CAN be made that "Lucifer" and "Jesus" are one and the same.
The TRUE Bible translation, the KJV declares in Isaiah 14:12: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!" NOTICE THAT it is NOT calling Lucifer the MORNING STAR, but rather, the "son of the morning" !
The New Age NIV falsely INTERPRETS and declares Lucifer to be the MORNING STAR: "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn !"
Revelation 22:16 declares the Lord Jesus Christ to be the MORNING STAR. The Modern "translations" declare Lucifer and Jesus to be one and the same. If you are using MODERN translations, do you see how you have been deceived?
Dahlheimer is correct, but he is only correct because he is using a "translation" that is NOT THE WORD OF GOD, but a Satanic counterfeit.
There are hundreds of errors in these Modern Translations that teach FALSE DOCTRINES. DO THE RESEARCH and you will find out for yourself!
Don't believe that the Modern Translations are a deceptive fraud?
Virtually all modern translations have as a basis a false text that was produced by Brook Foss Wescott and Fenton John Hort, AKA, Wescott and Hort. They worked together for 28 years and created THEIR own Greek text from the vastly inferior Alexandrian manuscripts. Wescott and Hort's FALSE Greek text has been used by virtually ALL of the creators of the modern translations.
Many modern translators have taken it even a step further, where they ADD their OWN interpretations to the already false interpretations of Wescott and Hort!
Here is an amazing example of how Wescott and Hort took liberty in removing vast amounts of Scripture by simply "scratching out" what they didn't like.
https://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/themagicmarker.html
PS: Both Wescott and Hort were very friendly to the Vatican. Both participated in numerous seances, going so far as to organize a society entitled "The Ghostly Child." Both held views of "Mary" that were consistent with the RCC. Both held to the view that "Heaven" was a man made invention that existed "only in men's minds." It goes on ... but I'll stop here.
RayB what you just wrote is a punch of propaganda. So, you are the one who knows what the "True Bible translation is." Bible scholars will endlessly disagree on what the "true translation" is, as you Know. There is no "MODREN NEW AGE" translation. That a joke you are.
The way you Christians spin everything, and do so, so that you can believe that ever you want.
All you have to do is write something that will confuse people and they will keep on believing the same old Satanic lies.
Dahlheimer, it is you who has cornered the market on confusion here.
Counterfeits only go after the truth to twist it. They come from outside, but also from inside "christian" ranks. The Bible has been very terribly misrepresented through the ages but the Word Itself remains unscathed. People who actually read and believe and know it, are the ones who know the difference, because they know the Author and His Spirit reveals it to them, so they can spot the attempts to change what it really said.
And why you are at the wrong "mission field"......
Strong's Concordance (touch word[s] in question to access):
Isaiah 14:12
https://biblehub.com/kjvs/isaiah/14.htm
Rev. 22:16
https://biblehub.com/kjvs/revelation/22.htm
Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as the morning star?
The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (NIV). The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.” It is clear from the rest of the passage that Isaiah is referring to Satan’s fall from heaven (Luke 10:18). So in this case, the morning star refers to Satan.
In Revelation 22:16, Jesus unmistakably identifies Himself as the morning star. Why are both Jesus and Satan described as the “morning star”?
It is interesting to note that the concept of the “morning star” is not the only concept that is applied to both Jesus and Satan. In Revelation 5:5, Jesus is referred to as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. In 1 Peter 5:8, Satan is compared to a lion, seeking someone to devour. The point is this, both Jesus and Satan, to a certain extent, have similarities to lions. Jesus is similar to a lion in that He is the King, He is royal and majestic. Satan is similar to a lion in that he seeks to devour other creatures. That is where the similarities between Jesus, Satan, and lions end, however. Jesus and Satan are like lions in very different ways.
The idea of a “bright morning star” is a star that outshines all the others, and Jesus is the One who is called “bright.” Satan was a morning star. Jesus, as God incarnate, the Lord of the universe, is the BRIGHT and morning star. Jesus is the most holy and powerful “light” in all the universe. So, while both Jesus and Satan can be described as “morning stars,” in no sense is this equating Jesus and Satan. Satan is a created being. His light only exists to the extent that God created it. Jesus is the light of the world (John 9:5). Only Jesus’ light is “bright” and self-existent. Satan may be a morning star, but he is only a poor imitation of the one true bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the light of the world!
https://www.gotquestions.org/morning-star.html
Anon @ 12:24 PM ...
Congratulations, your post has totally confused the issue.
I'm sure Dahlheimer is thrilled with your contribution.
Anticipating such a response I led off by putting Strong's Concordance to TRANSLATE words in question.
P.S. You see, Thomas Dahlheimer (perhaps deliberately) doesn't understand Biblical nuances, so the point to him was: EVEN IF that NIV "interpretation" that HE likes so much WAS correct it WOULDN'T automatically mean that Jesus & Lucifer are one in the same. BUT it IS vital to seek out the TRANSLATION in such important matters, you are certainly correct! Therefore, to make it even easier, here are those translations (and note that in Isaiah they are NEITHER identical to the KJV/NIV passages):
Isaiah 14:12
KJV:
"Lucifer, son of the morning!"
NIV:
"morning star, son of the dawn!"
Strong's TRANSLATION:
"shining one, son (of) dawn."
Rev. 22:16
KJV:
"the bright and morning star."
NIV:
"the bright Morning Star."
Strong's TRANSLATION:
"the bright and early star."
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https://biblehub.com/kjvs/isaiah/14.htm
https://biblehub.com/niv/isaiah/14.htm
https://biblehub.com/kjvs/revelation/22.htm
https://biblehub.com/niv/revelation/22.htm
note that (ESPECIALLY in Isaiah)...
http://truepundit.com/jeffrey-epstein-was-murdered-claims-victims-lawyer-after-receiving-new-information-from-prison-source/
http://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/08/26/border-wall-replacement-from-diverted-defense-funds-underway-in-new-mexico/
http://lifesitenews.com/blogs/you-might-wish-to-ignore-the-great-trans-social-experiment-on-our-kids-but-its-not-ignoring-you
http://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-26-climate-change-hoax-collapses-as-michael-mann-bogus-hockey-stick-graph.html
http://www.infowars.com/personal-stories-about-abortion-and-being-pro-life/
http://lifesitenews.com/news/parents-fill-twitter-with-pics-of-their-kids-after-alyssa-milano-touts-double-abortion
http://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/08/25/previous-sex-offenders-continue-to-participate-in-drag-queen-story-hour-in-public-libraries-thanks-to-left-wing-lunacy/
To all:
I have been digitally archiving my ancient files from my law office. In them, I was surprised to discover an article I had written in 1988 for publication in NEW AGE MONITOR, but had not used because the space was pre-empted by the information I had just gleaned on the ties between Fellowship Foundation (Doug Coe) and the Gold Lake Event. I was given that information on July 2, 1988 by a Colorado researcher who called me asking what I knew about "Evangelicals for Social Justice." I advised her to call Dr. Gordon Lewis at the Denver Seminar. She said they had used her name on their letterhead without permission. I also suggested she ask him about "Gold Lake" while she was at it. She did and called me back with the information I soon after published (09-1988) about Art Lindsley affiliated with "The Fellowship" as well as Spiritual Counterfeits Project (co-author of book NEW AGE RAGE) and then running the C. S. Lewis Institute in Washington, D.C. When I learned he was having dinner that coming Saturday night in Washington, D. C., I thought it newsworthy and did a newsletter on same. Therefore, I did not publish the article I had composed on John Earl Fetzer and the Fetzer Foundation (now Fetzer Institute). I filed it away and a secretary must have really filed it away because I found it in long buried files transported in old storage boxes. I am about to publish it here and send it to NewswithViews.com. I cannot overstate the seriousness of the Fetzer Institute -- working feverishly to implement John E. Fetzer's vision (he died in 1991) with the hundreds of millions of dollars he bequeathed for that work of bringing in the New Age to run the world for the "next 500 years"!
Constance
Dear Thomas Dahlheimer,
NO, NO, NO -- Jesus and Lucifer are definitely NOT THE SAME. "How art thou fallen from Heaven O Lucifer (Isaiah 14); Jesus told his disciples "I beheld Satan fall as lightning from heaven."
Thomas, once again I'm pleading with you not to put your money on the losing horse. It could extremely and excrutiatingly painfully cost you your eternal body and soul.
Constance
As Long As Enemies Of The State Keep Dying Before Trial, No One Should Trust The State
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-25/long-enemies-state-keep-dying-trial-no-one-should-trust-state
Thomas says this in response to the umpteenth time that people here have tried to correct him;
" and they will keep on believing the same old Satanic lies. "
Now, that is rich.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-26/silicon-valley-building-chinese-style-social-credit-system
http://www.activistpost.com//2019/08/dont-want-5g-in-your-community-steps-to-effectively-challenge-installation.html
http://www.activistpost.com//2019/08/common-sense-gun-laws-are-a-trojan-horse.html
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/techwatch/alexander-hall/2019/08/26/facebook-bans-pro-trump-epoch-times-advertising
http://truepundit.com/nasa-scientists-crush-climate-change-hysteria-around-amazon-fires-heres-the-truth/
Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said (in part) @ 12:03 PM ...
"RayB what you just wrote is a punch of propaganda. So, you are the one who knows what the "True Bible translation is." Bible scholars will endlessly disagree on what the "true translation" is, as you Know. There is no "MODREN NEW AGE" translation. That a joke you are."
Actually, it is God Himself that promised that He would protect His Word. He did not promise that there wouldn't be Satanic attempts to corrupt His Word with counterfeit "bibles." In fact, corrupting God's Word has been the primary scheme of Satan from the very beginning. Satan seeks to ensnare people with his lies. You are currently one of his many, many victims.
The Textus Receptus (the Received Text) is the one and only standout against ALL of the corrupt "New Translatons." It's use stood for 1800 years, until the deceiving agents of Satan Wescott & Hort came along and offered the world their "interpretation" of the already corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts. It is from these "manuscripts" that ALL OF THE MODERN TRANSLATIONS are derived. THAT is why every single Modern Translation, including the corrupt "New King James Version" differ widely from the King James Version.
Your insane reasoning that "Lucifer and Jesus are one and the same" has, as you have proven, its foundation in the Modern Translations, many of which do in fact make YOUR false case by falsely proclaiming that Lucifer is the Morning Star.
"Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Find out the truth! Obtain a King James bible and FEARFULLY read it, humbly asking for God's help and mercy in understanding what you are reading.
http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/how-you-train-your-mind-will-either-make-or-break-you_08262019
http://newswars.com/60-miles-of-new-border-wall-erected-where-illegals-once-stormed-america/
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/university-of-texas-freshmen-threatened-with-doxing-if-they-join-conservative-groups-on-campus/
http://www.blacklistednews.com/article/74493/meet-the-next-generation-of-koch-libertarian-social-justice-warriors-for-big.html (for-big-brother)
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/americans-under-the-age-of-39-have-completely-different-values-than-the-generations-that-came-before-them/
This Is Going To Be HUGE: Media Meltdown In Progress As Conservative Operation Turns "Journalistic Techniques" Against The Liberal Media That Created The 'New Rules' Of Journalism!
http://allnewspipeline.com/Meltdown_In_Progress_Journalistic_Techniques.php
RayB,
On behalf of Thomas Dahlheimer might I encourage you to RENOUNCE violence in your approach to him and REFRAIN from punching propaganda?
And might I encourage you further to 'get hep' and 'take a walk on the wild side' and EMBRACE the Modren New Age?
You don't Know what you're miggins!
"punching propaganda" LOL !!
I think Thomas had you in mind when he wrote @ 12:03 PM: "THAT a joke you are."
Are Pastors in America betraying their flock?
VERY FEW do not. Most aren't much better than crowd pleasing politicians, intent upon maintaining their grip on their salary paying flock. But it's going to get even worse !
Watch this short video from Israeli News Live"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73h92beOcHY
RayB,
Apparently you think this is a joke so let reassure you about those of us in the Modren New Age:
We grow, we reflect, we are REBORN!
Reality has always been buzzing with spiritual brothers and sisters whose dreams are enveloped in stardust. Gratitude is the driver of flow. Humankind has NOTHING to lose! Throughout history, humans have been interacting with the nexus via expanding wave functions.
Our conversations with other spiritual brothers and sisters have led to an unveiling of pseudo-technological consciousness. We are at a crossroads of chi and turbulence. Who are we? Where on the great circuit will we be guided?
Conscious living REQUIRES exploration!
This life is nothing short of an invocation explosion of life-affirming growth. To embark on the myth is to become one with it. Nothing is impossible.
The goal of electromagnetic resonance is to plant the seeds of nature rather than stagnation. Stagnation is born in the gap where understanding has been excluded.
If you have never experienced this wellspring on a cosmic scale, it can be difficult to reflect. Although you may not realize it, you are infinite. The multiverse is calling to you via frequencies. Can you hear it?
https://tinyurl.com/lgme3zu
"The multiverse is calling to you via frequencies. Can you hear it?"
Amazingly, I think I CAN hear it ! It sounds like some kind of cosmic buzz ...... very faint .... it seems to be trying to tell me something .... Oh wait ... I can actually SEE it ....
what I'm hearing is my neighbor's lawn tractor in the distance .... : ( What a disappointment.
Will tune in later and try again ... I promise.
PS: you sound deep ... much like Thomas.
PSS: Thomas, go to website posted above .... you will find it interesting ... and DEEP.
RayB wrote:
The Textus Receptus (the Received Text) is the one and only standout against ALL of the corrupt "New Translatons." It's use stood for 1800 years, until the deceiving agents of Satan Wescott & Hort came along and offered the world their "interpretation" of the already corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts. It is from these "manuscripts" that ALL OF THE MODERN TRANSLATIONS are derived. THAT is why every single Modern Translation, including the corrupt "New King James Version" differ widely from the King James Version.
You are very misinformed. The Textus Receptus (TR) comes from Erasmus, who completed his Greek text—taken from the small amount of manuscripts he had access to at the time—in 1516. The Wikipedia entry does a pretty good job of laying it out (though I disagree with Stanley Porter’s blanket statement that the Alexandrian text being “earlier yet corrupt copies”—though I think his statement is likely lacking complete context. That is, from other material I’ve read of Porter I don’t think he is of the opinion that the Alexandrian text-type is completely corrupt, as in irredeemably so. Frankly, no single extant manuscript is completely free from some sort of ‘corruption’, whether it be misspellings, inadvertent missing text, inadvertent added text, etc.
You’ve apparently read the very shoddy work of Gail Riplinger. You may want to read some other material in this vein. It’s rather ironic that Riplinger Catholic-bashes in her book, when Erasmus relied on the RCC’s Latin Vulgate text at times, most particularly in portions of Revelation (he couldn’t find a full Greek Revelation), though in other books as well to a lesser degree. To call Westcott & Hort “deceiving agents of Satan” is libelous. The purported gnostic corruption of the Alexandrian texts would be a laughable position if it weren’t so dead wrong. Are you aware that these Alexandrian texts exalt Jesus higher than the TR in John 1:18, with its monogenēs theos (unique, one-of-a-kind/only begotten God) over against monogenēs huios (unique, one-of-a-kind/only begotten son)?
Have you read any of Westcott’s commentaries? If not, you can start right here in his commentary on John’s Gospel: babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.ah21fc&view=1up&seq=219. A great place to begin reading is on page 219 of the pdf, which is page 19 of the commentary. This is where John 1:14 begins, and you can read how he describes the two natures, Divine and human, of Jesus Christ. Then you can move to 226-227/26-27 to see his comments on John 1:18—sorry the text is not transliterated into English lettering, but you can see his adopted text of μονογενης θεος instead of the KJV’s μονογενης υιος.
Also, ironically, the KJV adopts the Latin “Lucifer” from the RCC’s Vulgate in Isaiah 14:12 instead of the more literal “shining one” of the Hebrew Masoretic text (helel) or the LXX’s ho heōsphoros (Greek translation of OT by Jewish scholars ca. 200BC) “the [morning] star”. Anon 12:24PM/2:26PM is absolutely correct, and the Strong’s translation is faithful to the Hebrew.
PREVIOUSLY ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...
Mike Cernovich on Epstein: 'NO Press Conference,' 'FOOTAGE,' or 'Explanation'
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/08/12/cernovich-epstein-press-conference-footage-explanation/
Green on Epstein Death: 'We Need to See the Video Immediately'
http://www.infowars.com/green-on-epstein-death-we-need-to-see-the-video-immediately/
Whoopsie!
Report: 'Camera Malfunction' in Epstein's Prison Cell Prevented Recording of His Alleged Suicide
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/report-camera-malfunction-in-epsteins-prison-cell-prevented-recording-of-his-alleged-suicide/
Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik: Cameras In Hallway Will Show Who Entered Jeffrey Epstein Prison Cell And At What Time
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/former-nypd-commissioner-bernard-kerik-cameras-in-hallway-will-show-who-entered-jeffrey-epstein-prison-cell-and-at-what-time-video/
AND NOW...
"WHoopsie!" Part TWO
Report: The Video from Camera Outside Epstein's Prison Cell is UNUSABLE
http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/27/report-video-from-camera-outside-jeffrey-epsteins-prison-cell-is-unusable/
The governing powers of the United States are every bit as evil, and corrupt as any other nation in the world. Probably more so. No one cares about justice, or righteousness. We have the leaders we deserve.
I grew up in a semi rural area just west of Grand Rapids Michigan. When I was in the third grade in 1963, the teacher was a devout Christian woman, and we would pray daily for the troops in Vietnam. Her son was there. She was worried sick about his well being. You could pray in public school then! At least in that Western Michigan Bible belt. The teacher told us that we were very blessed to live in The U.S.A. She said the troops were fighting for our freedom. She meant well. Back then I was sure she was correct. My dad was in the military, and loved it. My whole family was very patriotic. After becoming a believer myself later in life I gradually became less, and less patriotic. At this time I care for the people of this nation. I'm heart sick that the vast majority of them have no clue as to the horrors that are soon to come. It's not long now until judgement will destroy this once great nation, and it will cease to exist. We deserve it. Our priorities now are money, pleasure, Hollywood, sports, porn, and leisure. And any other crap that I didn't list. Bye Bye Miss American Pie.
The Awesome Mystery of GOD - The Father, the Logos, the Messiah, the Mystery of Christ
Table of Contents
Chapter 1: The Genesis Factor - A New Look at the Mystery of God
Chapter 2: Is God Reproducing Himself?
Chapter 3: The Mystery of God
Chapter 4: Is Jesus Christ the LORD of the Old Testament?
Chapter 5: Who Is the “ONLY True God”?
Chapter 6: Did Christ Pre-Exist His Human Birth?
Chapter 7: Who or What Was Jesus Christ Before His Human Birth?
Chapter 8: Was Christ Created?
Chapter 9: Is Jesus Christ “God”?
Chapter 10: Is GOD a “Trinity”?
Chapter 11: Is the Trinity Biblical?
Chapter 12: Were Lucifer and the Logos “Twins”?
Chapter 13: The Origin of the Logos
Chapter 14: Early Church Fathers Knew the Truth!
Chapter 15: Who Is the “Angel of the Lord”?
Chapter 16: Who is “Michael, Your Prince”?
Chapter 17: The Book of Enoch, the Prototype, “Chosen One,” And “Metatron”
http://triumphpro.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/god-mystery-of-book.pdf
(FYI: WFD Didn't Always Share Mainstream COG Views And Some Parts Of This Particular Book One Might Consider More In The Way Of Interesting Speculations, That Is To Say 'Food For Thought')
Warning:
Post above @ 7:59 PM directs you to a link of a book that was written by a member of a well known cult.
As is typical with ALL cults, scripture is taken out of context and is manipulated in such a way as to teach what THEY want you to believe, NOT what the Bible clearly declares.
They also attract prideful people that want to possess "special" knowledge that sets them apart from the mainstream. It is a very common, and clever, psychological method that is used when applying control tactics upon the cult's followers.
All cults and false religions have one thing in common; they diminish the Lord Jesus Christ, repackage Him in accordance to their invention, and present Him to their followers.
Jesus warned us of "false Christs." The above cult has created exactly that.
Warning:
The post @ 8:39 AM is written by RayB, who promotes the heresy of "faith ONLY" SATANIC LAWLESSNESS which will get you into eternal damnation as much as any (actual) cult's teaching.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’" Matt 7:20.
RayB NEVER quotes such things as THAT. NOR from the book of James such Scriptures as James 2:17. Why? Because it ALSO gives the LIE to his embraced FALSE GOSPELl doctrines!
"Faith, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD"!
He gets angry (if not enraged) RATHER than humbly be as the noble Bereans and then repent whenever the falsity his own theological positions are exposed.
But for the REST of us, let US:
Believe the BIBLE, the WHOLE Bible, NOT the FALSE Gospel teachings of RayB or ANYONE ELSE!
All cults and false religions have one thing in common; they diminish the Lord Jesus Christ, repackage Him in accordance to their invention, and present Him to their followers:
The 'Faith ONLY' heresy advocates such as RayB want you to believe in a LESSER 'Christ' who APPROVES of 'Faith' WITHOUT works being necessary! Jesus warned us of "false Christs." The CULT of RayB has created EXACTLY that!
As is typical with ALL cults, scripture is taken out of context and is manipulated in such a way as to teach what HE wants you to believe, NOT what the Bible clearly declares!
Warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader:
✓No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
✓The group/leader is always right.
✓The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
Isn't it interesting that RayB is so AFRAID of what people might find out if they read something for THEMSELVES that he has to try to KEEP that from happening in the first place?
TRUST RayB! Let HIM do your thinking FOR you! DON'T read ANYWHERE that HE doesn't approve of!
THOUGHT POLICE
In "Nineteen Eighty-Four," the government tried to control speech, actions, and thought of the population, by defining "unapproved thoughts" as thoughtcrime and crimethink!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police
"Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true."
https://biblehub.com/bsb/acts/17.htm
READ FOR YOURSELF!
THINK FOR YOURSELF!
READ FOR YOURSELF!
THINK FOR YOURSELF!
BUT FOLLOW YOUR CULT!
You can see clearly how RayB has no compunctions about resorting to MANUFACTURING untruthful statements out of wholecloth when HIS doctrinal positions are in jeopardy.
He actually managed to incredibly TWIST the unambiguous statements:
READ FOR YOURSELF!
THINK FOR YOURSELF!
Into something WHOLLY OTHER!
VERY sad!
Court decision just slapped down Michael Mann and his fake global warming hockey stick!
http://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-28-court-decision-slapped-down-michael-mann-fake-global-warming.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-28-man-made-global-warming-fiction.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-27-obamas-purchase-lavish-beach-front-estate-despite-claims-ocean-levels-are-rising.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-26-university-banned-beef-because-a-fashion-expert-declared-a-climate-emergency.html
Anon @ 11:49
How do you know if Ray B is living a lawless life? How do you know that he's not quite virtuous compared to...you , for example?
Did Ray B say somewhere that he disregards the Ten Commandments?
Maybe he just realizes that all our works are as filthy rags before the Lord. (Isaiah 64:6)
There is none righteous, no, not one. (Psalms 14)
But the just shall live by his faith. (Habakkuk)
I think you'd better be careful who you call Satanic and Lawless.
That is of course unless you haven't broken any of Gods Laws.
Agreeing with you, Paul.
Hmm. 11:49 AM's extra wide painting method might possibly mean there's a Pharisee holding the brush?
Best to be careful as you suggested..
Paul, thank you for your comments! However, you misunderstand, it is NOT a comment on HIM, per se, it's a comment on the fact that his many times here promoted 'Faith ONLY' NO works are required for Christians DOCTRINE is Satanic & Lawless. And YES indeed, he HAS said keeping God's LAWS is NOT a REQUIREMENT (they're 'works' you see) = LAWLESSNESS.
And further speaking of "I think you'd better be careful who you call Satanic and Lawless." I said THE HERESY was Satanic. I NEVER said HE was Satanic. (Goodness gracious!) And I was mainly concerned about Thomas Dahlheimer, frankly, who is under the impression that Jesus is Satan, therefore I posted all the chapter headings (knowing in advance that that though would quite possibly 'trigger' RayB but if it took that approach to get Thomas's attention, and intrigue him enough to read up on the matter, so be it)!
Epstein lawyers HIGHLY SKEPTICAL of 'suicide' ruling, say he was NOT ‘despairing, despondent’ before death!
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/27/jeffrey-epsteins-lawyers-skeptical-of-suicide-ruling.html
Whew! We can rest easy now:
FBI Crime Lab Analyzing Two Broken Cameras From Outside Epstein Cell
http://www.activistpost.com//2019/08/fbi-crime-lab-analyzing-two-broken-cameras-from-outside-epstein-cell.html
Mormon leaders declare all churches will be “gun-free zones,” meaning they will be the very first targets of mass shooters
08/28/2019
By JD Heyes
Normally, virtue signaling is a harmless, politically correct way to show someone how much you claim to ‘care’ about a certain issue or a certain person, but in the case of the Mormon church, virtue signaling to the gun control crowd can get your members killed.
As reported by The Associated Press, officials who lead The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have implemented a new policy that prohibits members from taking guns with them into church services.
In the past, the Mormon church merely frowned upon the practice. But now leaders have created several new “gun-free zones” that are going to be infinitely less safe than they were before the policy.
...
http://www.newstarget.com/2019-08-28-mormon-leaders-declare-all-churches-will-be-gun-free-zones.html
Smell The Panic In The Air?
In Just Seven Days, THREE Independent Media Websites Have Been Targeted For Destruction By Liberal Establishment News Outlets!
August 28, 2019
By Susan Duclos
All News PipeLine
On August 21, 2019, ANP highlighted how NBC News targeted the popular website The Epoch Times with a hit piece about their culture, their religion and their employees private lives.
On August 24, ANP wrote about another conservative website being targeted by the liberal establishment media after the New York Times wrote attempted to trash The Western Journal.
On August 28, another liberal media site, Buzzfeed, went after The Federalist by doxxing (revealing information about online) one of their supporters, which the site's publisher Ben Domenech warned his Twitter followers about the day before, stating "Tomorrow a blog will attempt to doxx one of our supporters. Not a big one - we have no big money supporters. They will do this because they want to shut us down. We know where it came from. Very fitting to come after us this of all weekends. Says a lot."
ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA & BIG TECH TEAM UP TO DESTROY INDEPENDENT MEDIA
In the original NBC News hit piece against The Epoch Times, they highlighted that the wielded "one of the biggest social media followings of any news outlet," highlighting their following and reach on social media, specifically Facebook. The NBC piece also whined about Epoch Times having "spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 pro-Trump advertisements in the last six months, according to data from Facebook’s advertising archive — more than any organization outside of the Trump campaign itself, and more than most Democratic presidential candidates have spent on their own campaigns."
While the initial attack of The Epoch Times backfired because countless readers that heard of the story decided to start subscribing to their product and decided to support them by becoming a regular reader, while other Independent Media websites like ANP gave them a permanent link on our front page, and encouraged their own readers to visit The Epoch Times, big tech, taking their cue from the liberal media, started attacking them as well.
"Vandals" started updating The Epoch Times Wikipedia page with various attacks from the NBC News smear job, and then Facebook, specifically mentioned in the initial NBC News piece, banned ads from The Epoch Times, which was gleefully reported by liberal media outlets like NBC News, the New York Times and Washington Post.
Likewise the New York Times attack against Western Journal also complained about the previous Facebook reach of The Western Journal, stating "Western Journal Facebook posts earned three-quarters of a billion shares, likes and comments, almost as many as the combined tally of 10 leading American news organizations that together employ thousands of reporters and editors."
Ask we asked in our August 24th article, are we seeing a theme?
Apparently so, but the more information that emerges the more the bigger picture comes in focus, now that we see yet another popular conservative leaning website, The Federalist targeted by Buzzfeed.
The headline of the piece states "The Weekly Standard’s Corporate Owner Considered Buying The Federalist," but it quickly becomes apparent that Buzzfeed was targeting investors of The Federalist, despite it being a privately owned company that does not have to disclose their ownership or funding structure. That didn't stop Buzzfeed from doxxing one donor, nor targeting The Federalist as other liberal outlets have targeted The Epoch Times and The Western Journal.
BOTTOM LINE - SMELL THE PANIC IN THE AIR
This begs the question of what are these liberal media outlets, who have hundreds of millions in funding, so scared about that they feel the need to attack much smaller, far less funded, Independent Media websites.
So terrified of a little competition coming from a conservative point of view that we can smell the stink of their panic as they attempt to destroy anyone that could possibly offer an alternative political view and that supports President Trump and conservative ideology!
...
http://allnewspipeline.com/Seven_Days_Three_IM_Sites_Targeted_By_Liberal_Media.php
NBC News, The New York Times and Buzzfeed are radically liberal outlets, determined to see President Trump denied re-election and they are waging their war against Independent Media, starting with those that have a largest social media following and an even larger readership, all because these liberal outlets lost control of the narrative and the electorate in 2016 and are bound and determined to
wrest control back from Independent Media collectively.
We at ANP recommend bookmarking The Federalist website and visiting them every day to show support to yet another embattled IM site that is being targeted for destruction by liberal media outlets, big tech and social media giants. Readers can also find their website, which we just added, on our own front page under the "Top Websites" category.
One targeted attack against a large, popular, conservative leaning Independent Media website, then a second one, and now a third, all by liberal media outlets, is not a coincidence, nor is the coordinated banning of Facebook ads directly after the attacks.
It is a pattern and laughable since one of the same liberal media outlets attacking IM websites are now whining and clutching their pearls that a "conservative" group has decided to turn the tables against them and have archived their liberal employees own controversial online content to use against them.
They seem to think they can attack anyone they want with impunity, but how DARE anyone turn the focus upon THEM!
https://youtu.be/XwFkS2zVXd0
Christine (@3:31 AM):
You wrote: … [Mary’s supposed vow of perpetual virginity as part of betrothal agreement] can be deduced she says, forward looking tense that I know not a man which is effectively I am one who never knows man.
I don't want or need the text to refer to a vow, its a reasonable deduction…[ridiculous, wild, and unnecessary speculation about Joseph removed]…maybe HE had vowed to never replace his wife after she died, and a sexless marriage would fulfill this?
I already said cousins is irrelevant, since brother and sister are biblically (and in many middle eastern and African cultures now) used to refer to half siblings I gave the cites.
So Mary stayed with Elizaeth three months, I got that, but that is still a whole lot shorter than a year. Well within in range of time frame for a widower.
So if someone were to ‘prophesy’ to me, telling me, e.g., “You will write code for a large, established company” and I respond, “How will this be, for I do not know the first thing about writing code?” we can deduce from this that I took a vow to never learn to code? Is this a “reasonable deduction”?
If, per your baseless speculation, Joseph “vowed to never replace his wife after she died,” wouldn’t it make more sense that he simply never remarry? In any event, you completely miss the point I specifically made regarding the one month betrothal in cases in which either party is widowed—not one year, as per the usual arrangement. This renders your position fatally flawed.
The big problem for MCE is that her twists and manipulations of Scripture are all about making herself feel better about disobeying the Lord.
You lose, Christine.
God won't change what He said to let you live a lie.
Deal with it.
Thanks for your comment(s) Paul @ 6:05 PM & Anon @ 6:57 PM ...
What I am being accused of is the heresy that is known as Antinomianism, which is, in essence, a "faith" that does not produce repentance, but rather, produces a rebellious, sinful lifestyle that is "justified" by its adherents because "all of our sins" have been forgiven via our "faith."
Those that have known me over the last 35+ years would probably laugh, or be shocked that I would be accused of such a heresy.
All cults and false religious systems have many things in common aside from diminishing the FINISHED redemptive work of Christ on the cross. More often than not, they attack His deity. They typically take verses, or sometimes even fragments of verses, out of context and twist them in order to justify their "belief system." These groups always provide a distortion, or, counterfeit to the true Gospel. Antinomianism (faith without repentance) appeals to those that proclaim "Christ" while maintaining their sinful lifestyle ... precisely what the "pro-LGBTQ churches" are now proclaiming ... and this movement is growing.
On the other side of the coin is the false "gospel" of legalism; "follow us, we have the TRUE faith that will eventually lead to saving your soul," "just do EVERYTHING we say." This is the message of Roman Catholicism .... it is also the message of virtually all of the mainline cults, most of which I have dealt with personally.
Maybe later, when I find some time, I'll post some verses that absolutely destroys any notion of "justification" that is based upon OBEDIENCE to the Law. My only problem with such a task is that there is so many verses and passages, it might be difficult to limit the amount !
Again, thanks to both of you for your kind comments.
Ray
Yes, a little better to simply explain what your understanding is on doctrinal differences rather than automatically attack others and put them on the defensive.
The Ultimate Betrayal
https://sidneypowell.com/media/the-ultimate-betrayal-the-truth-about-the-invasion-of-america/
Sydney Powell is a very smart woman.
organ donors often alive no anesthesia just muscle paralyzers given brain death is fraud.
http://www.organfacts.net/freebook/
organ donors often alive no anesthesia just muscle paralyzers given brain death is fraud.
http://www.truthaboutorgandonation.com/index.html by Dr. Byrne brain death a redefinition for advantage like abortion supporters redefine terms and concepts. same game.
Craig,
"you completely miss the point ...regarding the one month betrothal in cases in which either party is widowed—not one year, as per the usual arrangement. This renders your position fatally flawed."
YOU COMPLETELY MISSED Scripture refuting you. Mary was only absent THREE MONTHS, already pregnant when she left (a day or two journey) and Joseph had his dream and took her into his house long before Jesus was born. THAT IS NOT A YEAR. THAT IS FOUR MONTHS MAX. THAT MEANS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE MONTH IF MARY HAD NOT FIRST VISITED ELIZABETH.
" Why must you always be contrary and (in your own mind), one step beyond and above everyone and anyone else in every conversation you've ever been in? " because I've been studying the things I argue about more than most I argue with.
any idiot would know even half grown children would not need to run only those under two years old, and three people excite less attention than a whole family incl. grown (teenage was legally adult of military or criminal for that matter capability age.)
So their absence from the trip to Egypt doesn't mean they hadn't been born yet.
I am not asserting the things about Joseph merely speculating. But a good way to be sure a virgin conception and birth occurred, would be to be dealing with a girl intending perpetual virginity. And this could be a two way street. After all, aside from suppressing her own sexual urges and setting them aside until they were starved out, there is the issue of the urges of her husband, or lack thereof. Joseph didn't enter a sexless marriage in ignorance.
"paul said...
There are no radiometric ways of dating rocks. Not two ways. No ways. " you are dead wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
"Among the best-known techniques are...potassium–argon dating and uranium–lead dating. other systems listed. all depend on unprovable presuppositions.
https://rkbentley.blogspot.com/2014/11/radiometric-dating-epic-failure.html
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/radioactive-dating-failure/
not about c14 it is a subsection "Recent New Zealand lava flows yield ‘ages’ of millions of years."
http://www.halos.com/faq-replies/creation-halos-stand-unrefuted.htm adventist but good.
https://creation.com/radiometric-dating-and-old-ages-in-disarray
Another tortured comeback from a tortured mind @ 10:13 PM, where the truth is guaranteed to be tortured till unrecognizable.
The author of confusion is having a field day with your mind, missy.
CE said this as a response to the question as to why she's such a self absorbed know-it-all:
" because I've been studying the things I argue about more than most I argue with."
You couldn't possibly know that Christine.
Not to mention that it's a lame answer.
Christine,
You are nothing if not tenacious. That’s stating things in as positive a manner I can muster. But your delivery is characteristically caustic (“any idiot would know…”), and you persist even when your position is proven to be wrong in your steadfastly ignoring of that which illustrates such.
Let’s very briefly sketch the portion of your position most pertinent to this discussion: In Scripture, Jesus’ brothers and sisters are step-siblings, for Joseph is a widower who had children from his previous marriage.
Now I’ll show (once again!) how this cannot be so.
In first century Judaic culture a betrothal was typically one year in length, except when either bride-to-be or groom-to-be are widowed. This exception is explicitly noted under the Betrothal and Home-Taking section here: http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3229-betrothal:
…After the [negotiations of the] betrothal a period of twelve months was allowed to pass before the marriage was completed by the formal home-taking ("nissu'in," "liḳḳuḥin"). In case the bride was a widow or the groom a widower, this interval was reduced to thirty days (Ket. v. 2; Shulḥan 'Aruk, Eben ha-'Ezer, 56).
The Greek word translated “betrothed” is mnēsteuō, which is used in reference to Mary (and, by extension, Joseph) in Matthew 1:18, Luke 1:27, and Luke 2:5. You’ve already noted the three month time period Mary was at Elizabeth’s, yet you have failed to see that this fact alone renders your Joseph-as-widower position untenable, as per the above. To be specific, this three month period well exceeds the thirty days betrothal period in cases of widowhood.
Keep in mind that during the betrothal period the two are considered husband and wife both legally and for religious reasons, even before the ‘home-taking’ (verb: gameō), and should either party wish to break the betrothal, a formal divorce was necessary (see first three paragraphs at link above and Matthew 1:19). After the home-taking, both parties are considered gamos (noun), no longer betrothed, mnēsteuō. Yet, Scripture never references Mary or Joseph as either gameō or gamos, and though this may possibly be inferred by the language in Matthew 1:20-24 (“take/receive Mary as your wife” in vs. 20; “taking/receiving Mary as his wife” in vs. 24—the word “home” found in some translations is not in the Greek), the language is ambiguous (see NASB and/or KJV translation, which are more literal than others). The way I construe this, the sole purpose of the angelic visit to Joseph in his dream was to dissuade him from divorcing Mary because of her pregnancy by explaining the purpose. Thus, satisfied with the angel’s explanation, Joseph no longer had any qualms about holding to the terms of the betrothal. This adequately reconciles Matthew’s account of Joseph ‘taking/receiving Mary as his wife’ (Matthew 1:24) with the chronology in Luke, the latter including the three months period Mary spent at Elizabeth’s (Luke 1:56), plus the time between Mary’s returning home from her stay at Elizabeth’s (Luke 1:56) and the later travel to Bethlehem mentioned in Luke 2:4-5, at which time the two were still betrothed (mnēsteuō), with Mary giving birth to Jesus during their time there (Luke 2:6-7).
Anonymous 7:08 said: "And I was mainly concerned about Thomas Dahlheimer, frankly, who is under the impression that Jesus is Satan, ..." Like I have always believed and stated many times on this blog, Jesus is divine and holy. I am a devote follower of Jesus Christ. Anonymous 7:08 is working for Satan. Satan is a liar and so is no-name coward Anonymous 7:08. Does lying Anonymous 7:08 represent who Constance Cumbey is and the people who believe in her theology? People who believe in a "God" who sends people to hell to burn FOREVER are not capable of love and honesty and are being manipulated by Satan. Anonymous 7:08 is a good example of the truth in this statement. There are some Christian people who post on this blog who seem to be trying to be good people. But, how come they do not express their embarrassment and regret when Anonymous 7:08 posts blatant lies and evil hateful statements on this blog.
Interesting compilation of ALL of the Mass Shooters (4+) for 2019.
We already know that 99% of them are those evil white people ... because that's what the main stream media keeps telling us.
But check it out just for fun:
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/photo-of-every-mass-shooter-in-2019/
Dahlheimer, you can just swallow (or choke if you want) your grievances with 7:08 because you and your total new age package of unproven hokum and epically failed history of old pagan repackaged new age tripe don't give you a leg to stand on. Your dead heroes all died in vain.
You have much bigger problems than 7:08 not buying what you are peddling.
You and what you believe are what prove to be hateful. You hate Christians no matter what. Want them done away with to make way for your utopia.
That makes you the hater.
And this blog is not your platform. Why can't you just take your new but not new old package of #^**@_)~ and missionary it to your hearts content where you will be heard?...because sure isn't here.
Maybe you should finally get a life in your old age.
You can't profess young and dumb anymore.
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