Tuesday, April 30, 2019

The death of Barbara Marx Hubbard - Guest article by Richard Peterson ("Rich of Medford")

Last month New Age visionary Barbara Marx Hubbard died. She was commonly called the “mother of conscious evolution” by the other New Age visionaries. Hubbard became an advocate for the New Age after having a mystical experience where she found herself outside of her body in outer space looking upon the earth. She described that experience as having seen Earth’s spinal cord.  Hubbard claims to have witnessed this central nervous system emitting impulses which served to connect together a collective consciousness for common humanity; a new species for a new civilization. Hubbard’s vision included a spiral having a triple six running right through it.

The basis of Hubbard’s writings was from works she channeled called The Book of Co-Creation, an Evolutionary Interpretation of the New Testament. Those writings may more accurately be described as a revolutionary interpretation as she writes of a plan for genocide.  According to Hubbard, one-half of the earth’s population – those who do not adhere to the New Age mindset – must be eliminated before the New Age can materialize. Hubbard’s road to enlightenment sets people on a path towards the acceptance of a new world religion and a New Age Christ.  That christ is not Jesus.
Hubbard clashed with the Vatican’s doctrine of faith when the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) scheduled her as the keynote speaker which organizers later explained was to teach tolerance to participants. Cardinal Muller’s doctrinal assessment was spot on as he pointed out Hubbard’s vision is nothing new but rooted in the ancient mystery religions. In ancient times Hubbard would have been called a prophet of Baal. Per Cardinal Muller:
The "fundamental theses of conscious evolution are opposed to Christian revelation and, when taken unreflectively, lead almost necessarily to fundamental errors regarding the omnipotence of God, the incarnation of Christ, the reality of original sin, the necessity of salvation and the definitive nature of the salvific action of Christ in the paschal mystery. . . I do not think I overstate the point when I say that the futuristic ideas advanced by the proponents of Conscious Evolution are not actually new.”
As Hubbard is now gone her work will continue to be advanced through multiple political constituencies. Conscious evolution permeates through the workings of the New Age Evolutionary Leadership Network visible in the writings of Neale Donald Walsch, Deepak Chopra, Marianne Williamson, et. al. The doctrine also has been accepted by much of the evangelical right via Hubbard’s longtime friend Paul Temple affiliated with the Washington Fellowship Foundation  and the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
Hubbard’s death is disturbing for multiple reasons.  I sincerely hope she experienced a last-minute conversion. The book of Revelation contains a very specific warning for anyone who would add or take away from the words therein for all the plagues contained in the book would be added unto them. Hubbard Book of Co-Creation most definitely added to those words. But it is what it is.  I know for certain two women at different times had given Hubbard fair warnings.


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Anonymous said...

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Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said...

All of the people who have taken part in modern-day terrorist killings in synagogues, Christian churches and mosques were worshipers of the God of Abraham, that Old Testament God who in the Bible told his people to commit massacres of innocent children. The genocide that Barbara Marx Hubbard was referring to will happen when the hateful people of the different Abraham religions kill each other off. The genocide that Hubbard prophesied has already begun.

Anonymous said...

Anyone else find it interesting that, after the announced abdication coming way back in October 2017, Japan's new emperor is being installed on May Day?


Rich Peterson - Medford said...

Thomas Dahlheimer

You obviously have not read Barbara Marx Hubbard's writings very well. Barbara Marx Hubbard indicates there will be a signal in which the New Age leadership is to start killing people. She didn't see a vision of the future, she saw herself a participant in it. Thus, it HAS NOT already begun.

Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said...

Richard Peterson - Medford: A genocide has begun. I have not read Barbara Marx Hubbard's writings very well. Where did she indicate that there will be a signal in which the New Age leadership is to start killing people. I do not believe that she said what you claim.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

Thomas Dahlheimer

It is unlikely any amount of evidence presented here will make a difference to you. Nevertheless, the genocide Hubbard calls for has not begun. You might read her books before arguing that point. Happy Birthday Planet Earth (especially the chapter The Selection Process) is an excerpt from Hubbard's self published Book of Co-Creation. Hubbard is very explicit in the Book of Co-Creation that the New Age elders have the stomach and political will to eliminate one-half of the earth's population as it is a necessary action in their evolutionary journey, i.e., the rise of the super human.

Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said...

Barbara Marx Hubbard wrote: “This act [people of one Abrahamic religion killing people of a different Abrahamic religion] is as horrible as killing a cancer cell. It must be done [she does not say who is to do this] for the sake of the future of the whole. So be it: be prepared for the selection process which is now beginning [it has already begun]. We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation, to take action [by praying to the true God] to cut out [by using people of the different Abrahamic religions] this corrupted and corrupting element in the body of humanity. It is like watching a cancer grow; something must be done before the whole body is destroyed… The destructive one fourth must be eliminated from the social body.” (Barbara Marx Hubbard, Manual for Co-Creators of the Quantum Leap, pp. 55-57)

paul said...

" We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation..,"

Oh I didn't know that you were one of The Elders.
I just thought you were a pompous ass. I could tell you are conceited. But and I didn't know you were actually crazy.

paul said...

You'd better stock up on bullets, Thomas.
You've got a whole lot of killing to do.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

Nice try Thomas Dahlheimer, but you've attempted to sanitize Hubbard's writings. So for the sake of other readers, I will properly quote from the Book of Co-creation and let them decide her intent.

From The Book of Co-Creation (p. 59-62)
An Evolutionary Interpretation of the New Testament
Part III
The Revelation
Alternative to Armageddon
Barbara Marx Hubbard

“Out of the full spectrum of human personality, one-fourth is electing to transcend...One-fourth is ready to so choose, given the example of one other...One-fourth is resistant to election. They are unattracted by life ever-evolving. One-fourth is destructive...They are defective seeds.”

“There have always been defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a “natural death”. Their bodies were recycled to new life…”

“We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation, to take action to cut out this corrupted and corrupting element in the body of humanity. It is like watching a cancer grow; something must be done before the whole body is destroyed.”

“Now, as we approach the quantum shift from creature-human to co-creative human—the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers—the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body.”

“We have no choice, dearly beloveds. It is a case of the destruction of the whole planet, or the elimination of the ego-driven, godless one-forth who, at this time of planetary birth, can, if allowed to live on to reproduce their defective disconnection, destroy forever the opportunity of Homo sapiens to become Homo universalis, heirs of God.”

“Before this stage of power can be inherited by the God-centered members of the social body, the self-centered members must be destroyed. There is no alternative. Only the God-centered can evolve.”

“Fortunately you, dearly beloveds, are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.”

“We come to bring death to those who are unable to know God. We do this for the sake of the world.”

“These defects have been tolerable in the past while the planetary system was maturing in its terrestrial, self-conscious phase.”

“Now that it is being born into its universal, whole-conscious phase, the disconnected must be destroyed.”

“The riders of the pale horse are about to pass among you. Grim reapers, they will separate the wheat from the chaff. This is the most painful period in the history of humanity.”

“You do no need to participate in the destruction.”

“Before the book of life can be opened, the selection process must be made so that only the God-conscious receive the power of co-creators.”

“We will use whatever means we must to make this act of destruction as quick and painless as possible to the one-half of the world who are capable of evolving.”

“The purpose of this text is to act as a guide to the self-elect during the days that are to come.”

Anonymous said...

VERY unusual.

When I used DuckDuckGo to search term "Barbara Marx Hubbard" comparatively VERY LITTLE negative came up, no matter how I phrased it. Perhaps some other way to phrase it would significantly change the results than the number of ways that I've already tried, but if not...

This might possibly suggest that even DDG has been (perhaps surreptitiously) tampered with to 'bury' certain search results.

(I certainly hope not!)

Here is one of the few things I found:


Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said...

Hubbard wrote: “We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation, to take action...." Only the elders are to take action. How many elders are there? There cannot be every many of them. Are we suppose to believe that a few elders are going to kill off one-fourth of the world's population, that's ridiculous. However, they could have the power, with the true God's help, to motivate enough groups of people of the different Abrahamic religions to kill off great multitudes people of other Abrahamic religions. They can pray and they can author books and write articles and post information on the internet that would spread hatred among these people of the different Abrahamic religions, so that they would kill each other. And the New Age elders would not have to lie.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

You are quite delusional Mr. Dahlheimer.

Anonymous said...


Thank you for your commentary. It is very appreciated.

Dave in CA

Anonymous said...

Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer:

A delusional mind such as yours can be helped!

"We have licensed psychologists and psychiatrists available to assist you"


Anonymous said...

The Fuzzmeister, Dahlheimer, has been duly, and thoroughly, busted. Again.
So much losing, Thomas. That's got to be getting old, eh?

Anonymous said...

Very old but nevertheless not nearly as old as your mentioning "fuzz" ad nauseum.

Anonymous said...

Get over it 6:46 PM.

Anonymous said...

Take your own advice 7:25 PM

Anonymous said...

Ditto to Dave in CA post to Rich Peterson - Medford.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it kind of funny how a simple quip bothers 6:46 more than Mr. Dahlheimer's bold-faced lies?
What's that about?

Anonymous said...

Simple. For all their faults, Dahlheimer's writings aren't as tiresome as endless variations on a single word. You post endless puerile insults based around "fuzz" evidently imagining them to be an endless stream of witticisms. They ain't.

Anonymous said...

7:38 PM,

Yes, there's something very unchristian (even Anti-Christian) about 6:66 AM's ...oops, that should have been 6:46 PM's ... post. The following "fuzz" at 8:00 PM from the said poster has something of the Jesus Christ denying, Kabbalist supporting convert to false Judaism: Dot., is that you?

Thomas Dahlheimer,

Rather than being, as ever, intellectually dishonest and disingenuous, you should go to the passages Rich in Medford clarified for you to check whether it is in B. M. Hubbard's book or not. Many of us here have read such, or similar from her ilk, and therefore can vouch for the genuineness of Rich in Medford's abovementioned citation from such genocidal writings.


Be as the Berean Greeks and seek a matter out. Yet you won't do that, will you? No, it would be too much for your overly-inflated fragile ego to bare!

What is telling, is that Hubbard blatantly espouses genocide and has the same deluded lies as the jihadists, Chabadists, and others who CLAIM to be Christians but are far from it and deny Jesus Christ's teachings of, "turn the other cheek; We fight not flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness in high places; he who lives by the [literal] sword shall die by the Sword [i.e., shall be destroyed by the word of God]".

Unlike B.M. Hubbard, genuine Christians, who follow the genuine Christ (i.e., Jesus of Nazareth, God the Son) are not promoting nor promising to carry out genocide. Oh the irony which is born of your sheer hypocrisy, that you, Dahlheimer, who vainly and boastfully hold yourself aloft as a hero for Native American / First Nation rights, do gladly deny the reality that Barbara Marx Hubbard has indeed expressed HER (and those with her) genocidal intentions. A bit like denying Mein Kampf, etc, which shows to all intents and purposes, your heart's collusion in such planned evil, dehumanization and genocide against that perceived other (Christians). No doubt you'd have got on like a house on fire with the likes of Adolf Hitler, or even the likes of Captain David Williamson: sadly, unless you repent swiftly, Thomas, you will end up with them in the everlasting bonfire from which there is no escape.

P.S., Herr Dahlheimer,

If you are so concerned about giving the indigenous peoples of the Americas their land back, then why don't you set an example and clear off back to Germany from whence you came!

Anonymous said...

Everyone please welcome our illustrious 'Dorothy/Dot, is that you?' psycho back to this blogspot after an all too prolonged absence!

Anonymous said...

Wait just a sec! Could it be that our ad nauseum fuzz poster IS our DDITY psycho who just got off his/her meds and has now re-emerged to yet once again grace us with his/her profound insights? Fuzzwriter, is that you?

Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said...

Christians ether deny that 4 billion years of evolutionary life occurred on this earth before the first human came into existence, or they believe that they can believe in naturalistic evolution by modifying it a little and still be Christians. This is what is very delusional. Many good people are trying to influence humanity to move on to divinity and these delusional Christians are holding humanity back. Many of these delusional Christians are also climate crisis deniers. They are endangering everyone and every living thing. They are like cancer cells in the body of humanity. People of the Abrahamic religions who believe it was alright for their Old Testament "God" to command his people to massacre tens of thousands of innocent children are mentally deranged and dangerous.

Anonymous said...

You need a vacation, Frank @ 2:41, 7:39, and 7:54 AM.
A long one.
See ya in 5 years.

Al said...

"Many good people are trying to influence humanity to move on to divinity"

Ok I get it. The "good people" (such as you are, TD) want to rid humanity of those pesky and dangerous cancer cells.

How Hitler of you.

Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said...

To Anonymous 7:38 PM: I do not believe in an unjust genocide. I believe that a genocide will occur and that people of the Abrahamic religions will commit the genocide. What is worse than people believing in an unjust genocide is people believing in a "God" who sends people, body and soul, to Hell to burn FOREVER, and does so because they did not believe in a religion that scientific discoveries have proven to be false.

Anonymous said...

Things would go a LOT more smoothly all the way around on this blogspot if Troll er, Thomas Dahlheimer were banished. (If not outright, then at least to once a week.)

Just sayin'

Anonymous said...

Twitter bans quotes from Mother Teresa to silence pro-life voices and promote the continued mass murder of human babies!


Anonymous said...

No, my name is not Frank, and I didn't post at 7:39 AM and 7:54 AM. I hope that's cleared things up for you, Jesus Christ denying Dotty. There have been a good many posters who have come to know your trademark and demonic vitriol here over the years, you sociopathic Judas! You see, Dorothy chose to turn away from Christianity in favor of a false version of Judaism. Was it those pieces of silver that drew you to your husband and to glorifying the Kabbalah, Dotty?

What a bitter and twisted traitor to the true faith you are.

No, I am not being Anti-Semitic. Dorothy is not a Semite, she is a convert to a false Judaism. Sadly you threw away salvation in the hopes of a few pats on the back and the silvery numbers in your hubby's bank account, Dot., You should repent.

Anonymous said...

Dotty | Definition of Dotty by Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Mentally unbalanced : Crazy.

I get it now!

1:02 PM is projecting himself/herself on various Anonymous posts and is, in effect, talking to himself/herself!

Anonymous said...

Au contraire, 3:39 PM,

Psychoanalytically evaluating your obtuse response (peppered with an unstably excessive utilization of exclamation marks and an unqualified and inappropriately applied usage of colons ((unquestionably schematic due to the dung constipating your cognition)) ), it is thus unequivocally evident that any projecting of your Leviathan of lunacy, and transference thereof, originates with you. Indubitably, moreover, you may experience somewhat of a catharsis were you to surmount your inability to decenter from your fragile yet unduly amplified ego, and once more seek recourse in perusing a dictionary of English usage as well as a vocabulary thereof, albeit above your narcissistic and intellectually challenge persona.

So, Dotty (or are you, perversely, merely a friend of Dorothy here?), my prognosis is you are acutely suffering from an entrenched form of NPD or BPD with narcissistic traits, most probably due to delusionally grandiose beliefs you have entrenched within your psyche, abnormal defenses you have scaffolded (no doubt since early childhood), which when challenged cause immense narcissistic trauma for you, splitting your thinking so as to produce your fallacious and counterlogical reasoning when confronted with veridical perception, albeit negative, from others (directed towards your unstable self or those unstable others you unhealthily though, psychiatrically speaking, understandably identify with yourself: dotty?).

Anonymous said...

Re: my post at 4:13 AM

Oops, 3:39 PM,

The "d" is inadvertently missing from the word, "challenged", no doubt fate has it that such a "d" is duly fitting for your identity, 3:39 PM, albeit above your narcissistic and intellectually challenged persona to understand such, i.e., although such a statement goes over your head a little too much, 3:39 PM. Therefore, I'll be kind enough to necessarily patronize you here: the "I" is none other than your fragile and faulty ego and the "entity" is your egocentric state of being.

So, as the "D" emblazoned cap fits you so aptly, 3:39 PM, wear it. After all, you should thank me for pointing out your incomplete "id", for such may help any health professional to alleviate that which is undeniably missing within your abnormally wired cerebrum.

Anonymous said...

Thanks DDITY for clarifying with your exceptionally profound (even for you) insights at 4:13 AM & 4:41 AM!

So in summary then:

Ban both Dahlheimer and YOU from this blogspot to vastly improve it. Got it.

Anonymous said...

Future doctors being trained that unborn babies are “parasites” in the body!


Anonymous said...

Once again, 8:37 AM,

Your inability to use colons properly is evident. Indubitably, with a caput plena stercore bovis such as yours, such blockage is inevitable.

However, to assume you had the capacity to comprehend the English used in my former posts would be a dubious notion of generosity indeed. I should imagine even the ramblings of Silvester Stallone's Rocky character are somewhat too highbrow for you to grasp.

Enjoy your day, Dotty.

Anonymous said...

@ 12:17 PM,

You claim 8:37 fails to properly use colons (though I see the content as perfectly acceptable contemporary English--most especially for a blog comment), as if you are some authority in all things grammar, yet you cannot even spell Sylvester Stallone's name.

Perhaps you need a bigger mirror for self-reflection.

Anonymous said...

Oh dear,12:44 PM,

Once again your narcissistic ignorance reveals that a little learning is dangerous thing.

I had therefore correctly perceived Silvester Stallone's Rocky Balboa character as being your ideal intellectual giant, 12:44 PM.

I couldn't personally give two hoots as to how he chooses to stylize the spelling of his name because the standard spelling of his first name is "Silvester" (despite any alternative spellings of such). The name Silvester derives from the word, "silva", meaning wood, and denotes, "a dweller in the wood".

So, Narcissus aka Dotty, I suggest you turn your mirror back toward yourself where you can admire your warped self-image all day long as usual.

Love and care.

Anonymous said...

To add to 12:44 PM's good comments, may I mention that the colon placement in my 3:39 PM post was NOT mine but Merriam-Webster's. Nevertheless it MUST be admitted that NO ONE knows about colons better than ANOTHER colon, and DDITY is MOST CERTAINLY a colon (i.e. full of sh*t)!

Anonymous said...

@ 1:11 PM,

I've (@ 12:44 PM) only just entered this fray; that is, this is my first post pertaining to this. Thus, you've obviously confused me with another anonymous poster--not so difficult to do with all the anonymous posters.

Why such vile venom? Do you consider yourself Christian? If so, your tone and manner are very un-Christ-like.

Anonymous said...

"It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth" (Matthew 15:11).

At judgment day I wouldn't count on any sort of distinction between words verbalized via the spoken word and those written.

Anonymous said...

2:09 PM

All due respect, you don't get it. DDITY is mentally ill, so it's NOT just a case of simple confusion. DDITY sees Dorothy/ Dot/Dotty behind every bush and tree, figuratively speaking.

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Thomas Dahlheimer's comments on the blog have proven that what Constance wrote about in the 1980's regarding the New Age movement's plans and false doctrines was totally correct.
The comments on the blog provide first hand proof of new age indoctrination and its ultimate plans

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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I like Tabitha.

Curb your Self-Importance:

Anonymous said...

Pope Francis donates $500K to help illegal aliens reach America

Anonymous said...

Someday Francis will 'reach' the Lake Of Fire. The sooner the better.

Anonymous said...

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paul said...

I have to reload your webpage about six times before it lets me access the comments section. It's been this way for about a week..

Anonymous said...


I suggest that you try it from a different device (or carrier) as I (for one) haven't had any such problem.

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Mark of the Beast via "social credit."

The Censorship Game:

RayB said...

I wasn't going to comment on this, but, for whatever reason, I feel compelled to address this. Rich wrote in his above article the following: "Hubbard’s death is disturbing for multiple reasons. I sincerely hope she experienced a last-minute conversion."

I don't know of anywhere in Scripture that even remotely teaches the theory of a "last-minute conversion."

Personally, I have known quite a few people that have told me "I'll become a Christian at some point in the future," in other words, at a time that THEY determine to be convenient. One stated "I plan on just before I die to ask God forgiveness for all that I have done." Is God obligated to answer such a "prayer?" Does a person just "decide" to become a Christian at a time or season of their own, independent choosing, or, does God call and ultimately choose? ("Many are called, but FEW are chosen") In reality, no one can become a Christian without aa sovereign act of the Holy Spirit. One does not "decide" on Christ of their own volition! True conversion requires a SOVEREIGN act of God that begins with a drawing to Christ ... "No man CAN COME to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him ..." John 6:44

The entire 9th. chapter of Romans should be studied, but consider, in part, what Paul declares:

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

For the scripture saith unto Pharoah, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Thou will say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Nay but, O man, who art thou that replies against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Romans 9: 13-20

In contrast to the above (and much, much more in scripture), modern "Christianity" is Arminian to the core. That is, it holds that man has the authority to decide on the time and even the terms as to when and how Christ will be "accepted." Man becomes the emphasis in such a system, not God, making it a real form of humanism. The results can be found in our modern churches, which have continued upon their predictable slide into utter ineffectual oblivion.

Craig said...


What do you make of the Parable of the Workers (Matthew 20:1-16)?

Craig said...

...even more pertinent: the thief on the cross.

Anonymous said...

Just what came to my mind as well, Craig.
Grace happens, even last minute grace.
God knows those that are His.

RayB said...


I'm not sure how you tie in the Parable of the Laborers with a "last-minute conversion." The traditional interpretation is basically that the "householder" is the Lord that hires various laborers throughout the day, which indicates his sovereignty in that he not only picks the laborers, but also the timing that they are chosen. Some have argued that it also teaches that amount of grace that has sovereignly been meted out is illustrated by the difference in the time of day. One thing is clear, as stated in verse 16, it is the Lord that determines both the timing and the choice ... "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."

As to the thief on the cross. I think any keen observer would have to admit that his situation was completely unique, in that, he was in the actual presence of the Lord Jesus Christ, as he was shedding his blood upon the cross. We are told nothing about the history of the thief other than the account provided. I believe that it was through an act of God's grace that the thief was given a contrite heart, sufficient enough to see that he was in fact a sinner, as he himself stated, "that deserved," unlike Christ, the punishment that the criminals were receiving. He also expressed his faith by not only emphatically proclaiming Christ's innocence, but also by asking Jesus to "remember him in his kingdom." Compare the thief's defense FOR Christ with the Jews that had witnessed his many miracles over the course of three years, but whom still insisted upon His being put to death, while proclaiming the murderer Barabbas to be set free! Christ, in their eyes, was lower than a murderer!

Several other observations; try to imagine the overwhelming experience of seeing Christ in the flesh. Then try to imagine hanging next to Him during the entire time of His crucifixion. Needless to say, the thief's experience was completely unique and far different, in every way, to any so called "last-minute" conversions! Furthermore, the "thief" along with his companion, is mentioned in OT prophecy (Isaiah 53:12). Like all true believers, he is also included in Ephesians 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation to the world ..." and "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." Ephesians 1:5

One more thing to say ... a person like Barbara Marx Hubbard spent an entire lifetime believing, writing and proclaiming utterly false, blasphemous information about the true Christ of the Scriptures. Is it really plausible that, at the "last-minute," such a person would suddenly deny the extensive foundation of her life's work and be suddenly converted to the true Christ of the Scriptures? Upon which "Christ" would she even know to call upon? The "One" of her New Age blasphemy, or the true Christ of the Scriptures?

Your thoughts?

Anonymous said...

There's a distinct difference between people who dispassionately and 'cleverly' calculate how to 'have their cake and it it too' (by willingly leading a carnal lifestyle their whole lives while planning on a 'deathbed repentance') and those who ALSO led a carnal lifestyle BUT who are genuinely moved to (an entirely unplanned) repentance in a late stage of their life (i.e. 'the thief on the cross'). Those who think they can 'trick' or 'fool' God Almighty into entering His Kingdom are very sadly mistaken indeed.

RayB said...

One experience regarding the above that I would like to share:

Early on in my Christian experience, I attended an annual prophecy conference that was put on by the Moody Bible Institute. It was a week long event, with various speakers that were brought in from various parts of the country. All of course, were of the Arminian, Dispensational, Pre-Trib Rapture, etc. camp. At the end of each session, the obligatory "altar call" was made. Prior to one of these altar calls, I distinctly remember one of the speakers making the following claim: "God's grace is such that if Adolf Hitler would have asked Jesus into his heart just before he died (i.e., committed suicide), he would have been saved." Although I was a young Christian at the time, I literally shuddered at the utter falseness of such a ridiculous statement. What may have struck me even more was that several of my young friends stated later that "it's really something that God couldn't turn down even Hitler if he said the sinner's prayer!" They seemed to take great joy in the fact that if God wouldn't turn away Hitler, he SURELY wouldn't turn away them!

Here is a passage from Proverbs chapter 1: 24-31 to consider:

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

Anonymous said...

Yes, 5:18 PM.

God would definitely know that difference whether we do or not.
He really does know those that are His (the ones that will be, whether early or late coming to Him in repentance and faith).

And RayB, God also states in the Bible that He does not take delight in the death of the wicked so He is perfectly right and perfectly balanced on this whole matter.
I think the topic is bigger than you or I can fathom.

God is not in a box, His ways and His thoughts are not like ours.

Anonymous said...


If they're going to surveil ANYWAY, REGARDLESS OF THE 4TH AMENDMENT...

•They'll surveil US [4th Amendment or no]?

Federal Judge Sides With Federal Government, Rules Mass Surveillance Can Remain Secret

Published: May 3, 2019

Despite a wealth of public information detailing the U.S. government’s secret warrantless mass surveillance programs, a federal judge has blocked a lawsuit, claiming that revealing any details would threaten national security.

A federal judge has ruled that the federal government can assert state secrets privilege to keep details of the warrantless mass surveillance programs secret. The ruling from U.S. District Judge Jeffery White brings an end to a legal battle that has lasted more than ten years as five Americans sought to reveal the full scope of the controversial spying program. The plaintiffs have been represented by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) since 2008—several years before whistleblower Edward Snowden leaked classified files revealing the NSA’s massive spying apparatus.

Judge White agreed with arguments made by the Department of Justice, namely that revealing any details about whether the government collected the five plaintiffs’ internet and phone data would threaten national security. The judge refused to comment on whether previous reports on government surveillance confirmed that the U.S. government spied on Americans.
Courthouse News reports:

“The judge refused to consider a letter the government accidentally disclosed to The New York Times in 2015, identifying AT&T, Verizon and Sprint as companies that gave the NSA access to customers’ phone records. Because the government inadvertently disclosed the document...White said he could not rely on it.

White also declined to rely on a 2009 NSA inspector general’s draft report describing another mass surveillance program. Although former NSA contractor and fugitive Edward Snowden vouched for its legitimacy in a sworn declaration, White refused to consider it because the government would not authenticate it.”

In his 26-page ruling, Judge White wrote,”the court cannot issue a judgment without exposing classified information.” EFF says this argument is a Catch-22 where no one can sue unless the court first determines that they were specifically affected by the NSA’s mass surveillance programs. “But, the government argued successfully, the court cannot decide whether any particular person’s email, web searches, social media or phone calls were touched by the surveillance unless the government admits it. Which, of course, it will not do,” EFF wrote in response to the courts decision.

•BUT not THEM?

Christian-Phobia At "Near Genocide Levels" Globally:

The Threat Is Already Here In The U.S., Hiding In Plain Sight

Stunning Numbers The MSM Doesn't Want You To See About Islamic Terrorism In America

May 4, 2019
By Susan Duclos
All News PipeLine

Flashback: Does anyone remember a 2013 editorial by Investors Business Daily that claimed that as of 2011, the Obama administration had made mosques in America off limits to their intelligence communities ability to surveil possible terror threats?


Via that piece that was only acknowledged by a few conservative outlets:

That's right, [4th Amendment or no] the government's sweeping surveillance of OUR most private communications EXCLUDES the jihad factories where homegrown terrorists are radicalized.

Anonymous said...

SHOCK VIDEO: Kids at Muslim American Center sing ‘we will cut off their heads for Allah!'


Enjoy your week. They're operating 42 chapters throughout the USA.

Anonymous said...

More pleas from satanist Pope Francis for diversity, and Bulgarians/Macedonians to open homes to migtants.

Anonymous said...

Pope Francis begins visit to Orthodox Bulgaria and North Macedonia


Anonymous said...

Migrants, not migtants @ 11:21A.M.

Anonymous said...

Baby born at 21 weeks is alive and well, but Democrats called her an “UNVIABLE TISSUE MASS”


Anonymous said...

May 5th, 2019

Special to ANP by Dr. William R. Graham, R. James Woolsey & Dr. Peter Vincent Pry

A threat that could literally mean the end of civilization...


Anonymous said...


If deathbed sorrow for sin, with confession, and prayer asking for salvation is not real, then how do you deal with this verse?

Ecclesiastes 9:4

For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

Anonymous said...


RayB said...

Anon @ 6:10 PM ....

I don't see how you can tie in the verse of Ecclesiastes with a "deathbed" conversion. All that this verse is stating is that as long as there is life, there remains "hope" ... of what specifically that hope is, it does not say. Is it a "hope" for a better life, or does it refer to salvation? Read it in the context of where it appears (as in the entire chapter) and you'll find your answer. In particular, that true wisdom (although it may not be recognized by the world) is better than the strength of the flesh (read Chap. 9:13-18.

The real message of that verse is that the seemingly high and mighty living lion is reduced in death to a lower state than a living dog. Ecclesiastes deals over and over again with the utter vanity of life here on earth when its meaning is based upon worldly wisdom, possessions, position in life, etc. All of these things that so many people value highly are nothing but vanity, because when we leave this world, it will all vanish. We will leave this world the same way that we entered it, with absolutely nothing.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to find a better example ... one from the OT or NT that actually establishes "deathbed" conversions to be the rule, rather than the rare exception.

I have more to say on this subject when I can find the time.

RayB said...


Regarding the person on their "deathbed," do we know how many times that they rejected the callings of the Holy Spirit to repent of their sins and turn to Christ for redemption? Did they spend a lifetime rejecting the "light because their deeds were evil?" (John 3:19) Are we to assume that now, because they are near death, that suddenly the Lord must answer their request when His calling was repeatedly rejected throughout their lifetime?

Does Scripture deal with such a scenario? Again, here is a passage from Proverbs chapter 1: 24-31. This is a very fearful warning to all that think they can "accept" Christ on their terms and at the hour of their choosing!

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

Anonymous said...

◄ Luke 12:15-21 ►

“Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”

Then (Jesus) told them a story: “A rich man had a fertile farm that produced fine crops. He said to himself, ‘What should I do? I don’t have room for all my crops.’ 18 Then he said, ‘I know! I’ll tear down my barns and build bigger ones. Then I’ll have room enough to store all my wheat and other goods. And I’ll sit back and say to myself, “My friend, you have enough stored away for years to come. Now take it easy! Eat, drink, and be merry!”’

“But God said to him, ‘You fool! You will die this very night. Then who will get everything you worked for?’

“Yes, a person is a fool to store up earthly wealth but not have a rich relationship with God.”


Craig said...


You’ve failed to convince me that the Parable of the Workers/Laborers and the example of the thief on the cross are inconsistent with last minute conversions. The fact that the “householder” chooses the workers certainly supports last minute conversions—ones that are picked by the “householder” at the “eleventh hour”. The example of the thief on the cross is simply last minute contrition (presumably at the Spirit’s prodding) leading to conversion. The circumstances surrounding the thief may be unique, but every conversion experience is arguably unique in some sense (and consider Jesus’ words to Thomas in John 20:29).

There are (at least) two meanings in the Parable of the Workers/Laborers. The first is that last minute conversions (last minute picks) receive the same “wage” as those chosen earlier. The second is the lesson to those picked earlier who deem this unfair, for their agreement with the owner of the vineyard has nothing to do with the agreement the owner made to those chosen to work later in the day. Your objection to the possibility of last minute conversions to individuals such as Marx Hubbard illustrates to me that you’ve not fully considered the second lesson.

Craig said...

Mexican residents call on government to deport illegal immigrants

One America News Network
Published on May 3, 2019

Following months of surging illegal immigration, residents in Mexico are saying they have had enough. One America's Pearson Sharp has more on how Mexicans are fed up with the crime and insecurity created by the migrant caravans.

Craig said...

Here's the link for the above:


I give up trying to hyperlink here. No longer works for me, as it keeps prepending the blogger.com site to the url.

GrantNZ said...

Hi RayB,

For consideration...

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

The King James uses the word "iniquity".

It seems all to obvious that we are living in an age of ever increasing lawlessness as sin abounds amongst those who would claim to be Christian let alone those whom make no such claim to follow Christ.
Unless one be born again they cannot not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Christ was bruised for our iniquities, our inherent trait to sin.
Only true believers can overcome sin by and through Christs shed blood and the total work of the cross to change our very nature.
Paul says regarding even conscience
"Whilst I know nothing against myself I am not justified by this" we need
the work of the Holy Spirit to search our hearts and convict us of our sins that we may repent.
Is it possible in the last moments of our life to honestly repent of our sins... yes.
Is there the guaranty you'll get the chance to is another question all together.
GOD is the one whom knocks on the door that we might open it.

Anonymous said...

Craig, apparently it is being prevented by deliberate design (by whomever) as...

The title of the desired action box for your last HL attempt is:


And your last attempt shows the "address":


Anonymous said...

Aside from perhaps very subtly trying to promote (the idea of) open borders as somehow being Christian (by association - by being in an article about Christian doctrine) by calling illegal aliens "undocumented", this article has some interesting points to ponder about Matthew 20:1-16


Craig said...

Anon 11:20 PM,

Hmmm. I'm not sure what you're seeing, so let me write what I see. On the non-working hyperlink, it reads:


You can see how the blogger url is prepending. If you take that off you should be able to view the video:


Anonymous said...

P.S. Building walls is HARDLY unbiblical!


Anonymous said...

CNN and NBC Caught FAKING Photo of Baby with Measles to Stoke Mass Hysteria!


Mainstream Media Now Calling for the ARREST of "Antivaxxers"!


Japan Leads the Way: No Vaccine Mandates and No MMR Vaccine = HEALTHIER Children!


GrantNZ said...

That's not anecdotal evidence at all to support non vaccination.
Japanese diet is implicated in their long life span.
Japan society is also known for it's very high hygiene standards.
All these things like the wearing of masks stop the spread of illness and diseases.
They don't have an open border policy either.
They are some what isolationist in comparison to other countries and this can add to a higher rate non infection.

Anonymous said...

Craig at 10:11 PM...right on.

And Grant at 10:45 PM...right on as well.

RayB is right, yet still falls short for the broadness of the work of grace and mercy that only God can and will do, as he sees to do it and with whom, that is altogether above and beyond, and apart from what we, as finite, see or understand.

And why it makes me glad when all is said and done, that God is the Judge, not people.

RayB said...

To Anon @ 11:14 AM ...

I never said that God is limited in any way as far as what He "can and will do." I was only making the point that so called "last-minute conversions" are exceptionally rare and definitely not the norm, but in particular, regarding a case such as Barbara Marx Hubbard, who spent an entire lifetime researching, writing and promoting a false, demonic system that is antichrist to the core.

Let's not forget that there are numerous * FALSE Christs, as Jesus himself warned us about. Upon what evidence could there be that such a person as Marx Hubbard would suddenly, somehow, KNOW the real Christ of the Scriptures after having obtained all the baggage of her false Christ?

* False Christs as is presented in Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, the Roman Catholic Church, the New Age Movement, the Prosperity Gospel cult, liberal "protestantism," etc., etc.

Anonymous said...

South Africa's land reform, 'white genocide' in focus days ahead of general election

"South Africa's conservatives and far-left radicals are surging in polls just days ahead of a general election. One America's Kristian Rouz looks into the matter."

Anonymous said...

Then why did you not let the examples that Craig presented show you that the Lord, at his discretion, can opt to do something miraculous at a deathbed?
Yes, the warning you sound out is taken, is good to call out false salvation/conversion by the cults and the compromised, but also we know that the Lord's mercy is much greater than we can possibly know, and he knows when and to whom to give the gift of repentance and faith, even right up to a "last minute".

The Lord has presented himself clearly in scripture so that the false is exposed by his light and where it seems he could be saying, in effect, two differing things is only because we cannot think (or remotely go) that broad in scope to see all in advance as he did from beginning. We are unable to view from his vantage point...

And he is past finding out, correct?

Anonymous said...

above at 1:57 PM is in answer to RayB.

Rich Peterson - Medford said...

My understanding of the Gospel is that no-one is beyond the Holy Spirit’s reach and opportunity for repentance is extended until a person has breathed their last breath. I believe this to be an unlikely given Barbara Marx Hubbard's lifetime work. I consider the possibility that during the week she was hospitalized something could have changed her mind (again unlikely). Could something such as an open-eyed view of her spirit guide make her suddenly realize she’d been in err? I will let God be the judge of Barbara Marx Hubbard.

RayB said...

Anon @ 1:57 PM ...

Can you provide some examples "where it seems he could be saying, in effect, two differing things?"

Anonymous said...

From Proverbs (that you RayB quoted)
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

But this is also the Lord's view of the death of the wicked:

King James Bible
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

On one hand he will laugh and on the other he is not pleased. Seems to show us more than one side of this issue. So which is it?

Is both..because he is God. Perfectly balanced perfectly right and just in all angles of any issue.

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