Earlier this evening (Friday evening, February 19, 2016) I witnessed a bizarre event in Centerline, Michigan near the Detroit city border. Near a heavy industrial and trucking center area is an obvious Unification Church (Moonie) colony. I went to the occasion for a supposed "international food dinner." What the event actually turned out to be was a "Blessing" of Unification Church couples -- a "Cosmic Blessing" from "True Mother." The Moonie "Trinity" is obviously "God, Rev. Moon, and Mrs. Moon." As Rev. Moon departed for whatever his reward/punishment in 2012, an obviously aging Mrs. Moon was conducting the ceremony, simulcast to true believers via internet on Friday, February 19, 2016. Seen on the screen was a very packed Korean stadium with thousands of couples handpicked for each other with little or no prior notice of who was chosen for whom. Six "lucky couples" were chosen to enter the stage and receive presents from Mrs. Moon.
I will have much to say about this on my internet radio program, TMEradio.com a very few and too short hours from now. Needless to say, I am agitated about what I saw tonight and learned about infiltration of major religious denominations on our local front "right here in River City" as sung in the Music Man movie of years ago. They are obviously working hard on a New World Religion and were very happy about steps they perceive Pope Francis to be taking in that direction. Imams and Rabbis were present. I learned that they had extremely slick "Catholics" who were pretending to be the best of loyal Catholics but really believed Rev. Moon to be the true purveyor of truth and wisdom. Their veneer was "family preservation." As I know of few groups more responsible for family separation, it strikes me as more than ironic, if not disingenuous.
Please join me in the morning. Last week my preceding program was to have been rebroadcast as I had a Memorial service to attend for a very dear and close friend for many years. I understand that at least the first hour did not happen as planned. Oh well. God willing, all will go well in the morning. I have a whole lot to say. Please join me.
Tune in and stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
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wrong and vey dishonest and deceptive of you. all my explanations are in response to demands for same.
Susanna,
The Bible does not teach to elevate man-made traditions over his word. Of course the heavens declare the glory of God and the creation story can be understood through astronomy. There's a lot of people who write about this, so I just picked this article randomly as an illustration:
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2011/jimmyl95-2.htm
As I stated earlier, traditions are part of every culture and every religion. It's a behavior passed down within a group of people and they are not necessarily bad. The problem is when we confuse our traditions with the written word of God and give priority to our traditions. If our traditions contradict the word of God, we need to get rid of them. The emotional attachment to traditions without reconciling these traditions with the Bible is based on a need to belong to a certain group be it the Catholic Church, the Baptists, the Episcopalians or the Orthodox. The Word of God should be our guide. We don't need an intermediary to decide for us what that word means. That makes us dependent on men and not God. What is the purpose of having the Spirit of God dwell in us, if it is not to guide us personally? God can certainly use other human beings in our life, but ultimately each one of us answers to him.
Do a word search from the Bible on "your word" and see how many times it is mentioned in a positive light. The "keeping" or watching over or guarding of the Word of God is what did not happen in the Garden of Eden. Had Adam
kept God's word, we would not be in this mess. When the assembly of Philadelphia in the Book of Revelations, were commended for "keeping God's word" and not denying his name. There is no place in the Bible that commends people for keeping the traditions and every time people got into trouble, it's because they forgot to heed the instructions of the written word of God in one fashion or another.
The Levitical priests in Israel were necessary because the sin of Israel had to be atoned for year after year, as the book of Hebrews says. When Jesus came, he was both our king and high priest who intercedes at the throne in heaven and put an end to sin and death once and for all, so we do not need human intermediaries to atone for us anymore. If we do then we have to rip the book of Hebrews out of our Bibles. We don't have to pray through a saint or Mary . We are free to go directly to his throne of grace because Jesus died to remove our separation that was created through our sin. If Jesus death is not sufficient, then I'm not sure what would be?
The simplicity of the Gospel is sometimes buried by human traditions, and this is really sad. The beauty of the gospel is God came in flesh to redeem us because we cannot redeem ourselves. Because he paid for our sins in full, we have the assurance of eternal life and the resurrection. He loves us so much that he sent Jesus to buy us back, and to defeat Satan who is the Prince of this fallen world. As John says, for all who receive him, who believe on his name he gives the right to be called sons of God. He didn't say if we join this or that church we are saved. We are saved by faith in what our Savior did for us. Why complicate it? The Bible does give us instructions and does outline what is sin, but it's individual instructions like don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't covet other people's things, don't murder, don't worship false gods and so on. You get the idea.
When we go before the throne of God, those of us who know Jesus, it will not be our church affiliation that gains us entrance to the Kingdom, it's our new identity in Jesus that does. It's the fact that our names are written in the Lamb's book of life. This is the chief requirement and the only thing that keeps us out of the lake of fire.
you yap about "man ad tradition" without checking as to which are based in the word
of God and which are at least not refuted.
When RC goes to Mass and EO goes to Holy Liturgy, the focus is Jesus and the rest of
the Trinity. Mary gets a brief request to pray for us.
I think much of what you think is cool has its origins in the Restoration Movement
that birthed at least two denominations and several over heresies Mormonism included
and SDA on the edge with a demonstrably false prophet.
Christine,
I have been to Catholic Church, not Orthodox, so I can only comment on that. What I witnessed was tradition was placed above Scripture.
Don't misunderstand. I'm not saying other churches are perfect in this regard either, but some focus more closely on the gospel than tradition, but they can still place tradition over Scripture without realizing it. Man always searches for some structure and sometimes that search for structure and sometimes that man-imposed structure is just simply not biblical.
Not pointing to any one church. I'm talking about tradition in general. I happen to know a bit more about Catholicism than Orthodox and I think Catholicism has elevated quite a bit of their own traditions over Scripture and it's based on a fundamental misreading of one text about Peter.
I'd like to think that most of what I think is just based on the Scriptures because that is what I look to as my guide.
Probably not going to convince those who are attached to their traditions so I'll leave this discussion here.
6what do you mean by tradition, liturgical actions and al those prayer lifted
from Psalms?
how do you know early church didn't do smaller version of same from Temple
and synagogue liturgy?
and don't quote bout worshipping in spirit and in truth CONTEXT of that was
a question about WHERE to worship, not forms of worship.
how about posting a list of specifics you saw in Mass that you consider "traditions
of men" so I will know exactly what you are talking about?
I ;learned to accept Orthodox tradition because of my Bible reading.
Christine,
I don't think saints should be venerated for example. We are all saints even though we sin sometimes. We are only to worship God. We are only to pray to God.
These are simple examples of traditions of man that supersedes the written text of Scripture. As far as ways of worshipping, I think there is room for variety as long as the central object of our worship is God and it is not contradicting the Scriptures.
Jesus says this in Matthew 4. Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well to worship God in spirit and truth.
In Revelations John tried to worship and angel and the angel stopped him and said, "worship God only". In the Bible there is only two kinds of worship, true worship of God, or idolatrous worship of the gods who were not YHVH. There is nothing else.
Not to belabor this point, but that is one example where traditions are contrary to the word.
"Orthodox Judaism and Eastern Orthodoxy preserve features of Second Temple Judaism. I draw on Orthodox Judaism because it is the closest to the Judaism of Christ's time."
But still a long way off... Orthodox Judaism is the victory of one rabbinic school over all the rest that were contending at Christ's time. Any argument that depends on them being reliably the same is unsafe.
Your comments about vows make no sense. For a man to say to the woman "Be my wife" and her to assent means she has vowed to be his wife, does it not - with all that 'wife' is understood in that culture to imply.
while this may be the view of some, which is why one posted quote is apparently self contradictory, it isn't quite.
"Simple Definition of vow
1: a serious promise to do something or to behave in a certain way
Full Definition of vow
2: a solemn promise or assertion; specifically : One by which a person is bound to an act, service, or condition" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vow
"be my woman" which is what "wife" means in the language it came from Danish saxon,
and assent doesn't include anything but exclusivity and all else is either encoded
in a prior signed contract or in local laws.
That Orthodox Judaism accurately preserved some elements of Herodian Temple Judaism is proven by the preservation of these same features in Orthodox Christianity, whose roots are also in Herodian Temple Judaism.
There would be hardly any differences in such issues between the different theological schools. Saduccees denying the supernatural except for God Himself, and Pharisees whose concepts (but not actual practices privately and personal arrogance and game playing) were substantially the same as that of JEsus and Paul, would have followed the same ceremonial, same for most other sects.
"Marriage vows are promises each partner in a couple makes to the other during a wedding ceremony based upon Western Christian norms. They are not universal to marriage and not necessary in most legal jurisdictions. They are not even universal within Christian marriage, as Eastern Christians do not have marriage vows in their traditional wedding ceremonies." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_vows
so by your thinking, if a couple got a license, had a ceremony in a church but not exchange promises merely agreed to be together, this would not be valid just pretend. Right?
"Jesus says this in Matthew 4. Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well to worship God in spirit and truth. "
that was in response to a GEOGRAPHIC question, where shall God be worshipped in Mt. Gerizim or in Jerusalem?
some Orthodox writer online said that PROTESTANTS DO NOT WORSHIP GOD. they VENERATE God, which is a lower order of honor.
If you don't know what it means to adore, then don't venerate saints, or Mary, keep it for God, if veneration, a lesser attitude, is all you can muster, save it for God.
I do think that full prostrations to icons of saints are probably inappropriate that should be saved for icons of Jesus.
"England includes a flat out blasphemous element of the bride worshipping the husband with her body, which is sex cult idolatry. I wonder who thought that one up."
Archbishop Cranmer who wrote the prayer book from which that wedding service (now seldom used) is taken, in the 16th century - but you need to know that "worship" in 16th century English was not a word reserved exclusively for man's attitude to the divine. Worship, and adoration or veneration, have since diverged in meaning. It is no more sinister than Christ saying "suffer little children..." in the King James Bible, meaning "let little children [come unto me]". That doesn't look good in today's English either, but it reflects nothing more than changing usage.
It's actually the man who says it to the woman in that wedding ceremony, as follows: With this ring I thee wed, with my body I thee worship, and with all my worldly goods I thee endow: In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
"It's actually the man who says it to the woman in that wedding ceremony, as follows: With this ring I thee wed, with my body I thee worship, and with all my worldly goods I thee endow: In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen"
and this endowing with his worldly goods is the reverse of what the law at least
in parts of the US was until various Married Women's Property Act type laws were passed, before which all she owned or earned was his to dispose of and no complimentary right of hers but minimal upkeep so whoever made that vow in those states perjured himself if he intended to go by the law of the land.
Cretine, the ghost of Old Mother Erikson is waiting at Hell's Gates to greet your foul spirit when it gets there. For all liars, murderers (you hate your mother therefore you murdered her in your heart ), false accusers, occult meddlers and fornicators shall have their part in the lake of unquenchable fire, and you fit all these categories: you are strolling the primrose way with your fornicating seer to the everlasting bonfire!
She's there waiting for you!
Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
"some Orthodox writer online said that PROTESTANTS DO NOT WORSHIP GOD. they VENERATE God, which is a lower order of honor."
This is so typical of Christine ... she uses as her source an ambiguous, unnamed "writer online" and then has the audacity to SHOUT her flimsy, baseless claim. I find it amazing how people like her (and there actually are quite a few) are so cavalier when speaking about subjects relating to the One that created the entire Universe by merely speaking it into existence.
In case you've never seen this ... "message" from "Mary" at Fatima regarding the "Rosary."
The 15 Promises of Our Lady to Christians Who Recite the Rosary
1. Whoever shall faithfully serve Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.
2. I promise My special protection and the greatest graces to all who shall recite the Rosary.
3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
SALVATION promised to the "soul" which "recommends itself" to MARY!
5. The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
(continued)
6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8. Those who are faithful in reciting the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.
9. I shall deliver from purgatory, those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11. You shall obtain all you ask of Me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12. All those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by Me in their necessities.
13. I have obtained from My Divine Son, that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors, the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.
14. All who recite the Rosary are My sons, and brothers of My only son Jesus Christ.
15. Devotion to My Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
Note:
2017 marks the 100th. Anniversary of Fatima. Look for a lot of Catholic propaganda regarding the Fatima hoax to begin in earnest as we draw closer to 2017.
Christine,
You clearly identify yourself as an Eastern Orthodox Christian. I'm not acquainted with the teachings and traditions of the EO church other than what you endeavour to teach us here.
When you explain with scriptures from the Holy Bible, the validity of chakras, telepathic overshadowing between Elijah and John the Baptist, the need to not forgive unless certain circumstances have been met, that a man and woman may live together as concubines without the need to marry, etc., etc., would I be correct in understanding that these are the beliefs and teachings of the EO Christian church?
~ K ~
-k- at 8:57
no they are not EO beliefs and teachings. But I am not a follower of tradition I chose EO for several reasons (including greater effectiveness of its Holy Water)
and because it was a better fit to Scripture than RC or the protestant scene. All the decades I was Christian I could never join any church, merely attend where Jesus
was the focus, because I did not want to subscribe to things that were not entirely scriptural and NONE of them are entirely scripturally correct.
I bring up concubinage because it is in the category of "biblical marriage" which you and/or other posters refer to.
the over application of forgiveness or the heresy of judge not and so forth has snuck into EO but that is the problem of a lot of individuals and some teachers not formal dogmatic definitions.
Jesus was specific: after three tries with increasing public involvement, the unrepentant should be simply ostracized.
what is necessary about marriage is a permanent public claiming by whatever means and the EO in a marriage ceremony does inquire if either has pledged him or herself to another already. At the present development of practices, the celibate situation would make the arrangement okay, the first priest I dealt with knew of this.
In early centuries one argument that went on was when a Roman bishop would marry people who were illegal to be married because of the social status of one, and argued that the church should not be subject to pagan laws. The contrary argument of course was obey the law and look respectable.
concubinage is a form of marriage which Exodus rules make permanent. the woman was apparently a household slave of some sort and not the man's social equal. A slightly different implication is around now. The term "consort" was used by the
SSI worker who sorted it out with me not to call him husband, but fiancé to avoid getting cut off, BECAUSE THEN APPARENTLY DC WOULD CONSIDER ME MARRIED.
""some Orthodox writer online said that PROTESTANTS DO NOT WORSHIP GOD. they VENERATE God, which is a lower order of honor."
This is so typical of Christine ... she uses as her source an ambiguous, unnamed "writer online" and then has the audacity to SHOUT her flimsy, baseless claim. I find it amazing how people like her (and there actually are quite a few) are so cavalier when speaking about subjects relating to the One that created the entire Universe by merely speaking it into existence. "
I was not talking about "subjects relating to" God but subjects relating to His worshippers.
never mind the ambiguity of source, it wouldn't matter who said it, is it true or not? from what I have seen there is some validity to it.
Cretine, the ghost of Old Mother Erikson is waiting at Hell's Gates to greet your foul spirit when it gets there. For all liars, murderers (you hate your mother therefore you murdered her in your heart ), false accusers, occult meddlers and fornicators shall have their part in the lake of unquenchable fire, and you fit all these categories: you are strolling the primrose way with your fornicating seer to the everlasting bonfire!
She's there waiting for you!
Still explaining your sick insides to justify your belief system here on a public blogsite to us on the outside. It's God, not DC, you should be legit before.
But you're not legit.
With anything, no matter what you post about. You are so mistaken in your beliefs about God, science, relationships, you name it, on and on and on, you are doing your only thing and the truth doesn't come near you. You are in an Old Testament Bible term, a cake not turned. You are half-baked.
Your dirty life is your business, and not ours, not the world's, why do you force that upon people?
If your man-centered religion that you focus upon and place your "worship" and trust in, is so great, you would have already had that mess in your mind and life cleaned up by now.
You only mouth (or type) words about Jesus (His name is not a magic word don't you see that?) but you don't have the faith to trust Him without your long list of additions to "help" Him do the job. Your version of Jesus is weak--as weak as you are. You need the real Savior, not the one you (or somebody else) invented.
My Savior is the Mighty Christ of the cross Who atoned for me as God's Lamb, and raised me to new life in His resurrection power and I take up the cross and follow by laying down my own self righteousness (which is wrongness because it falls short of the glory of God) for His righteousness to fill me and move me in life. I am radically changed by His Spirit so many decades ago--perfected in the heavenlies already and not perfected yet in this earthly plane, but being made perfect as I learn submission to Him-that is the "2 sided coin" you don't know anything about evidently. Salvation was immediate when I gave myself entirely to Him for forgiveness and cleansing, my sanctification is a process and still have a long way to go, I can easily admit this. But He loves me and is working on me-within me---thanks to God the Father above.
He loves you, too, ya know. When are you going to let Him show you that?
Your dead religious attempts are vanity and pride and certainly cannot and has not fixed you.
You're still stuck with those nasty insides that you parade around this blog and elsewhere.
Good people don't go to heaven-------forgiven and forgiving people do.
Lay it all down at the cross and leave it there, instead of this charade and parade thing you do here, and the cleansing you need will happen.
No one (not even one) can improve upon what Jesus alone can do.
"the unrepentant should be simply ostracized"
So we should apply this to you then correct?
"Still explaining your sick insides to justify your belief system here on a public blogsite to us on the outside. It's God, not DC, you should be legit before."
exactly. and I am legit before God.
"Your dirty life is your business, and not ours, not the world's, why do you force that upon people?"
very disingenuous. I talk about these things because anonymice that probably includes you demand I do so or post outrageous lies.
and....
""the unrepentant should be simply ostracized"
So we should apply this to you then correct?"
yeah why don't you shut up and ignore me? you wouldn't hear all the stuff you don't want to hear (but must want to as you keep bringing it up) if you didn't start these rows.
The blog should ostracize you----but better yet, Constance should ban you.
You talk about these things to all of us, because your own head and heart quit listening to you being told the truth, even on that rare occasion when you tell yourself the truth..
Your life is a housefire.
What the blazes are you doing about it except forcing upon everyone else?
Since you have all the answers, why then are you letting it just burn?
You don't feel the flames of your error consuming you?
CHARADE and PARADE.
makes ya feel a little bit alive at least ;)
Such a game you play (with you)......solitaire.....
"if you didn't start these rows."
LOL!
Rebuke a wise man, he'll be yet the wiser from Proverbs!
She won't be wising up today, either.
you're the ones that have been tearing down this blog. constant blather and when I
post some other matter you demand I deal with your garbage and correct your lies and wrong thinking and you never repent of your lies and slander. that business about my posting something I didn't put you right in the crosshairs of a lawsuit for creating a false impression and something else, but for one thing, proof of
actual damage to my reputation or other interests. Dan Bryan is more traceable than the rest having an ID and since he claimed, falsely, to have seen that "ad" he is one of those who qualifies as "publishing the libel." you came real close to disaster.
why don't you try obeying the 10 commandments for a change?
Poor, pitiful, you.
Victimized again.
Why do you come here?
You need us.
It's sick of you, but you need us.
Blow and show, charade and parade, it's what you do.
It's all you've got.
Cretine,
Any law suit you bring will be met with counter claim upon counter claim. You will find you and your fornicating house devil out in the streets without a penny to your name. I am seriously considering contacting the authorities in Rocklin and Sacremento and letting them know of your arrangements. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones: so back off, child of Satan!
First off there is no law against this kind of arrangement anywhere in the USA
anymore. some places there never was.
secondly, the lawsuit would have centered on putting me in a false light regarding that alleged ad, nothing more. and you would have lost. or rather Dan, the only one possibly trackable, would have had to pay up. But there is no proof actual damage was done, there are some accusations that are "libel in themselves" very few. unfortunately this isn't one of them.
Well, there's no harm in making sure, now is there? Don't overestimate your intelligence and thereby underestimate that of others : like I said, back off you child of Satan!
And what ad might that be, MCE?
aka Justina, your smokin'!
Hey Christina,
Don't confuse your google searches with Constance Cumbey's law degree, the same way you have confused your google searches with Physicist's.
It is real foolish to do so.
You shouldn't piggyback on Ms. Cumbey's good name either.
You've already abused her blog. Have you no good sense, or manners?
I studied law for about two years. I am not talking google searches.
"Have you no good sense, or manners?"
No, she hasn't, Anon 1:08 PM, she's got neither of those qualities, sadly!
Christine at 10:13 AM
Thank You, it's good to hear that your controversial beliefs and teachings are not held by the EO Church.
~ K ~
Isn't it, K! Scary thought otherwise! !
Anonymous 12:30 A.M.
Re: "The Bible does not teach to elevate man-made traditions over his word......"
That is right. It doesn't And since the Bible does not teach "Sola Scriptura" and "private interpretation" those who embrace these unbiblical teachings are elevating "man made traditions" ( i.e. Martin Luther's word, not God's) over God's word......BY YOUR OWN RULE OF FAITH.
So don't even think about hitting Catholics here with the "it's not in the Bible" routine. "Bible only" is not the Catholic Rule of Faith. In fact, the Bible is part of the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church.....the WRITTEN part of that Sacred Tradition, the other part being the ORAL tradition.
Just because you decide to judge something to be a "man made tradition" doesn't necessarily make it so except for you! This is because Catholics do not acknowledge the validity of your self-contradictory rule of faith ( i.e. "sola scriptura) which is nowhere taught in the Bible. Neither do we acknowledge the validity of your Old Testament canon, the Catholic Old Testament canon being the Septuagint which is the Old Testament canon most often quoted by Christ and the Apostles.
What Catholics believe to be Sacred Tradition has been explained several times here in this blog, but I will explain it again...... it is the divine revelation ORALLY transmitted by Christ directly to the Apostles who preserved it and handed it on intact to their successors in both oral and written form to this very day.
For you to call this a "man made tradition" is at best ignorant and at worst blasphemous.
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Re: If our traditions contradict the word of God, we need to get rid of them.
That is absolutely correct! And since "sola Scriptura" and private interpretation contradict the Word of God, you do indeed need to get rid of it.
If you want to hang onto it, fine, but don't go around lecturing Catholics about their so-called "man made traditions!"
Anonymous,
Just quoting Jesus. If you have a problem with his word, you will have to take it up with him. As I said, tradition is not in and of itself evil or bad, but when it contradicts the word of God, it elevates man and man's traditions over God.
Think carefully about it. If Jesus said this to religious leaders of his day, what do you think he would say today to people that are supposed to know him?
In second Peter we are warned that destructive heresies would be introduced. He starts by saying we have the prophetic word to which you would do well to pay attention. Here is precisely what the word of God says:
2Peter 19 And we have more firm the prophetic word, to which we do well giving heed, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, till day may dawn, and a morning star may arise -- in your hearts;
20 this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private exposition,
21 for not by will of man did ever prophecy come, but by the Holy Spirit borne on holy men of God spake.
Paul talks about teachings of men which:
Colossians 2:20 If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?
21 -- thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle --
22 which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,
23 which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body -- not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.
Peter was never a Pope. He was an apostle, and Paul probably started a lot more congregations than Peter did on his missionary journeys, not to undermine what Peter did at all. Their roles in the spread of the Gospel were different. They were told to go and make disciples teaching them to obey all that Jesus commanded. He is our rock, he is our source and anything that contradicts him and his word is errant.
Traditions are not bad in an of themselves as long as they don't oppose the Word, who became flesh and dwelt among us. He is the one that is worthy of all of our praise . He allows us the privilege of serving him.
Jesus said, "if you love me you will keep my commandments." (not someone's traditions). He also said he would send his spirit of truth to guide us whom the world cannot receive because they do not see or know this spirit that abides with you ( those that know him).
Nothing against anyone here. I just love the word of God, and believe this should be our guide not vain human wisdom. God said to Solomon he would give him riches and honor if he walked in his statues and commands. The emphasis is always on God's teaching and instructions and hearing and obeying.
Dear 4.18pm,
I'm not the Anon to whom you replied, but I think your criticism of 'private interpretation' needs unpacking. You presumably believe that private Bible reading at home is good and that believers should not be restricted to Bible study in groups led by congregation leaders? I would be horrified at any such restriction. Private reading then triggers questions and ideas in the mind of the believer, and some of those ideas might be wrong. I think that any committed Christian will want to discuss those ideas with other Christians and air those questions corporately. So what exactly do you mean by "private interpretation", please? I have argued that the notion is not as clear-cut as it seems. Could you define it?
Scripture is God's word and all Christians accept that it is unique - as unique as God, in fact. Does that not make any discussion of sola scriptura somewhat irrelevant?
What Catholics believe to be Sacred Tradition... is the divine revelation ORALLY transmitted by Christ directly to the Apostles who preserved it and handed it on intact to their successors in both oral and written form to this very day.
We all accept that Christ wrote no book and that others preserved his words. Some of those words are preserved in the New Testament. What other words of his do you mean, please?
brief remark on "private interpretation."
2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." KJV
"Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. Douay-Rheims.
the context rules out this verse being about privately interpreting Scripture for yourself. it is about how prophecy came about. how Scripture in general and the books of the Prophets in particular were written.
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." KJV
"For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost." Douay-Rheims
Strong's Concordance keyed at biblehub.com shows that interpretation is epilusis
with various meanings, http://biblehub.com/greek/1955.htm a release, an interpretation
which latter could be an interpretation that is a release or unpacking of bible
information by sound exegesis.
But in context, what is being said is,
no Scripture was given by human decision to release something inside his heart or soul or mind, or by deducing from existing Scripture something to then itself be written as itself sacred Scripture. someone's lectures of exegesis however God AIDED they may be are not God BREATHED.
So this verse is irrelevant to this and all similar discussion.
It is very damning, however against Bill Hamon's old school and subsequent copiers of prophecy where you learn to prophesy.
Sod off, Chritine, you gnostic heretic!
Christine and Anonymous 4:18,
If we look at the context of what Peter is saying, he is talking about Jesus' power and coming and majesty, and the revelation from God at the transfiguration when he said "this is my son with whom I am well pleased".
That is the backdrop for telling his audience to pay attention. This was revealed by God. So therefore, prophecy is not something personal it comes from God and His Spirit.
What God reveals never contradicts his written word because he is not a man that he should lie. As I have already stated when any tradition, be it the Pope, your Pastor, your denominational leader, your bible study leader says something that contradicts the Word of God he is wrong, period.
The Catholic Church used to forbid meat on Fridays. This is simply not Scriptural. I'm not picking on the Catholic Church exclusively because I have heard followers of Darby say, "you can't go to the movie theater".
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
What Peter admonishes after saying this is:
3 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your[a] life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
It is no longer we who live, but Jesus who lives in us and we are hidden in him therefore our sins are forgiven and when we know we are new creatures, we act this way. Rules and regulations do not save us. Jesus did and when we realize our great salvation, we do not want to break God's commandments and he gives us the strength to keep them. Again, manmade traditions are an obstacle to faith and turn a lot of people off. Manmade traditions are what Peter is talking about when he says "one's own interpretation". That includes Popes Priests, Pastors, Bible study leaders.
No one has the right to contradict the Word of God, no matter what title or position they hold. Unfortunately, throughout history men have done this and thankfully Jesus is coming back to set everyone straight. Only those who are born-again will receive the kingdom of God. This new birth is a work of his spirit. Neither sacraments nor church membership can make us new creatures. There are undoubtedly many unredeemed sitting in the pews of many churches. New birth is when the spirit of God comes and convicts of sin, righteousness and judgement and we turn to God in repentance and thank him that Jesus paid the price for our sins and we have faith in his finished work at the cross that no one can add to or subtract from.
If your name is not written in the Lamb's book of life, you cannot inherit the kingdom. It doesn't say in the Bible if you join this or that church you will receive the kingdom. Jesus is the rock and our salvation is in him and him alone.
rules and regulations don't save, but if you are following rules that are what JEsus said to do and not do, you are doing it for Jesus. That is focusing on Jesus and not on earthly things.
Jesus warns His followers who do things worthy of punishment will get punished matthew chapter 25.
now, lets get specific. WHICH rules and regulations?
Not the ones you follow, and many of the ones you don't, Cretine, that's for sure!
The New Testament is the last word on the subject. The words of Jesus and the Epistles that were just as much written by the Holy Spirit as what was recorded of His words, are what to follow as far as commandments and "rules" go.
Justina, trying and failing to live under some Old Testament stuff and all the while dismissing the New Testament in the by and large, is in trouble. She cherrypicks to her own liking. This is not what submission and trust in the Lord looks and sounds like. She has removed all doubt as to whose rules she follows making this up as she goes to mix up old and new and doesn't really respect either, frankly.
She rams and crams "her way or the highway" brand of rules and regs with insurmountable numbers of lectures to whip and spur the blog, while she lives and promotes her confusion everyday, all day long, right here------for years!
Poor soul, caught in her own trap. Sad too, we on the web, are seeing her publically scream and squirm under it's hypocrisy, yet she refuses knowledge and correction.
Ya get what ya ask for ;) .........
You should have been careful what you asked for aka Justine......because we see you've gotten it.
The ground where you stand is quicksand.
"Justina, trying and failing to live under some Old Testament stuff and all the while dismissing the New Testament in the by and large, is in trouble."
the OT stuff that is out is the circumcision, food laws and Sabbath and holy days requirements. Paul is very specific. Paul also does not denounce usus marriage typical of the social strata most converts came from.
Did you not know that the OT is the basis of the NT, and that the OT is cited at least 143 times in the NT?
Where there is a problem in determining what would be applicable to a situation, and the specifics of NT morality are translated with terms loaded with more limited or different meanings in English, it is wise to check the OT.
"She cherrypicks to her own liking."
Not true. I have made changes sometimes difficult because of bible issues.
I think you need to practice submission to and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and stop your slanders, which if you are the same as some other anonymice, include lies and twisting my words. Its called bearing false witness.
it is you lot that refuse correction. I have shown you Scripture and translation ad application. a man' wife is (both Hebrew Greek and Anglo Saxon) not his properly wih oaths and ceremony formalities "wife" but his woman. public claiming and permanent intent is the issue. whatever that consists of. sex makes the two one flesh (that's linked flesh with one other or with 100 others) so must not be done outside of such a context. If they are experimental and view "marriage" as a greater commitment, then given they are in that deception they should get legally married. If they consider once they have sex they are stuck with each other, that is another matter.
you or whoever reject biblical correction regarding "forgiveness" and ignore also the wisdom of some people separating company lest they be a temptation to each other like Esau and Jacob after patching up their quarrel. you support the wicked and condemn the innocent. in this you oppose God.
Take it all up with God and leave the rest of us out of it, MCE. This blog is very tired of your issues and arguments that really amount to how unsettled you are with Him..
You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. - Summary in the Book of Days of Oliver Cromwell's dismissal of the Rump Parliament, April 20, 1653.
This is Anonymous 12:00 am.
There is no need to really discuss this subject. Pray and see what God shows you Christine and I hope you find some peace. I come to this blog once and while and notice that it is constant controversy and arguments. If people believe in God there shouldn't be all this strife, unless they have unresolved issues that are troubling them.
I hope God can really lead you and give you some peace and wisdom in your life and in your faith.
Be blessed Christine.
This from Wiki today:
Mary I (1516–1558) was the Queen of England and Ireland from July 1553 until her death. She is remembered for her restoration of Roman Catholicism after the short-lived Protestant reign of her half-brother, Edward VI. During her five-year reign, she had over 280 religious dissenters burned at the stake in the Marian persecutions. After her death, Mary gained the posthumous sobriquet "Bloody Mary", and Protestantism was re-established by her successor Elizabeth I.
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