Dear Friends,
Not too many advantages to a Leap Year Day birthday, but the humor of it increases with age. Today, I am having my 18th birthday, since arriving on earth on February 29, 1944.
I'm occupied with so many thoughts and projects, but I'm grateful to God for giving me this much time. My life has been sometimes sad, sometimes happy, sometimes frustrating, but never boring. I can take almost anything but boredom.
When I first (in April 1981) discovered the New Age Movement, the disturbing development that led to my researching and writing THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW (Huntington House, 1983), I was in "Leap Years" only 9 years old. In real time, that would have made 37.
Well, the Leap Year birthday has never been good for much but laughs. When I was a little girl who thought she was turning 8, I was disturbed to tears by my father putting two candles on my birthday cake and saying "you're only two."
At my present stage in life, it's a lot of fun, when asked my age, to have said for the past four years "17" and now, today, "18."
Thanks for being my readers and I'll have real meat to chew on soon.
You may download my two books for free for my birthday (see, you're getting the present!) by going over to internet archives by clicking on this link for HIDDEN DANGERS and this one for A PLANNED DECEPTION.
We are living in perilous times indeed, but I do believe the good Lord gave us a sense of humor as a safety valve!
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
474 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 474 Newer› Newest»"Did Mary go through this? Of course not, she as mother, couldn't be the spouse of Christ, right?"
Mary is considered the spouse of the Holy spirit not of Christ. Mary is Queen of heaven because Jewish queens were the kings' mothers not their wives.
nuns in particular and the Church in general is considered the bride of Christ.
Marko,
yes, you are correct.
There is not one ounce of doubt that the "Mary" of Roman Catholicism is NOT the "Mary" of the Bible. Nowhere does Scripture declare her to have been "Immaculately Conceived" (i.e. born without the original sin nature), nor will you find one shred of evidence that she should be called the "Queen of Heaven," someone to be prayed to, one that is sitting NEXT to Jesus Christ on the Throne of Heaven, one that has influence upon Christ, one that has statues made of her, one that was "assumed" bodily into heaven, etc., etc., etc.
The "Mary" of Roman Catholicism is nothing other than another manifestation of many false pagan deities such as Isis and Diana of the Ephesians. Jeremiah condemns any worship to the "queen of heaven" ... yet that is exactly the title Rome ascribes to their "Mary." Statues of "Mary" are everywhere, in spite of a clear and direct commandment against the making of ANY image.
immaculate conception is nonsense.
If Jesus is King then His mother by Jewish practice is Queen.
commandment against making images is in context of a larger overall statement against making "gods" and worshipping any but YHWH.
there were cherubim images on the veils of the tabernacle and two over the ark.
The Lateran Treaty of 1929 created the Vatican as a State and ceded over the land of Vatican City to the RCC. Signed into law by Fascist Dictator Benito Mussolini. Mussolini agreed to the treaty in order to receive POLITICAL support from the Vatican. The Vatican also received financial support in the form of a tax upon the Italian people. Note: Mussolini was an ally of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler (who also entered into a treaty with the Vatican).
"The Lateran Treaty (Italian: Patti Lateranensi; Latin: Pacta Lateranensia) was one of the Lateran Pacts of 1929 or Lateran Accords, agreements made in 1929 between the Kingdom of Italy and the Holy See, settling the "Roman Question". They are named after the Lateran Palace, where they were signed on February 11, 1929. The Italian parliament ratified them on June 7, 1929. Italy was then under a Fascist government, but the succeeding democratic governments have all upheld the treaty. It recognized the Vatican as an independent state, with Prime Minister Benito Mussolini agreeing to give the church financial support in return for public support from the pope at the time."
"Ye shall know them by their fruits ..."
About 50 posts are Christina's, yes FIFTY!
Beyond a joke! !!
"...that writer flunked Latin.."
No, he didn't! Why? Because you say so? You can't even write English properly! I speak five languages well, not that it matters but it does for this point: how about you, Cretine?
check online for latin for snake or serpent. it is not "can" it is serpens.
Just in case this was missed in the blog shuffle:
To all , please be careful if ever in Placer County (Erikson Territory: apt name for one who is all placer ((Spanish for pleasure)) and no morals!) of not being taken for a ride by a dubious "ex" Satanist called Mike.
He'll be there wearing that vile olive-green jacket of his, with scarf wrapped round his face, Mutley goggles and a dodgy karki-brown wollen hat, which altogether makes him appropiately resemble that vampire, Hannibal Lecter!
Just to be on the safe side for your wife and family, here´s what to avoid:
Ford, Reg No: D9520R1
Loaned to the driver from:
Yellow Cab of Roseville CA
201 Pacific St.
Roseville, CA. 95678
(916) 774-0303
(916) 862-1400
Email: yellowcab@ycab.us
I had "select all taxis" on the verify pics ... if in Placer County, definitely don't do that!
Just your forte, hey Cretine, you serpent, you venomous worm, you viper, you snake in the grass, you cobra of old .... when in doubt, check Google out!
Academia was never your strong point , Cretine : from physics to philosophy (although you're full of vain philosophy ) to philology, you shout aloud because you are found to be minimally exceptional!
Someone pass her the dunce hat:
Cretine, do it again!
Silly old asp, isn't she? She should hiss off elsewhere!
I'm catching up -- my local friends kept me very busy this week. Thanks for the lovely birthday greetings!
Constance
Christine, I've unsuccessfully asked you many times to use restraint in your posting and in your language. I'm reading that 50 of the posts here are yours. That should never be. I'm unhappy with the nasty posts against you, but I fear you may be inspiring some of them by arguing back and forth with other posters.
Constance
To Anonymous 6:05
You posted this Youtube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVPlEKhqUsM
re "Protestant Atrocities". I watched it with interest. It is, unfortunately, consistent with my own research. There is unfortunately plenty of blame to go around between Protestants and Catholics for those who did not get: "Which part of THOU SHALT NOT KILL DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND".
Yes, there were Protestant atrocities. There were also many in Geneva. There were Catholic atrocities. I suspect all dismayed God!
Constance
It is less than 50. I did not use any bad language. would you please delete the remarks about Mike and the company he leases the cab from? This could easily fall into the hands of people who might not want to deal with him if they are looking for a cab using a search. as a lawyer you know the implications here, damage could happen, and there would be no recourse since it is anonymous. A person who is turning his life around should not be penalized by the petty vindictive squabbles.
I will try to not answer so much. sometimes they say something that is difficult to leave unaddressed, because someone may come along who hasn't followed all this and doesn't know the truth. Like the one who asked what was what instead of just passing by and retaining false accusations as fact. The description on my video is false, it is not remotely new age.
perhaps to some people aliens is strictly a matter of channeling. I DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO SUCH THINGS. My interest is the information acquired by abductees who heard and saw things while captive by physical aliens.
That "protestant atrocities" 3-minute YouTube video posted at 6.05pm is historically illiterate. I could make a better one with that title myself, and I am protestant! Constance herself noticed that it failed to mention the persecution FOR THEIR FAITH of Catholics in Calvin's Geneva. Many of the incidents in it involved Catholic losing their lives in political battles, rather than for their faith. In particular...
The video starts by saying that the Inquisition was sanctioned by governments, not the Catholic church. That is a gross distortion of what happened. The 'trials' were conducted, often using torture, by men of the church who were paid via confiscation of the assets of those found guilty. After being found guilty they were handed to the civil authorities to be punished. But who decided the punishment? Well, the legislation De Heretico Comburendo enacting the death penalty for heresy in England was, in its opening phrase, “on the advice of the prelates and clergy of… England”.
King Henry VIII would have shuddered to hear himself described as "protestant". He detested Luther's theology; he simply wanted to seize the secular power that was wielded by the Pope through the church in England, for himself.
Oliver Cromwell was no friend of the Catholic church and fought his Irish campaign with greater brutality than his campaigns in England and Scotland, but the purpose of that campaign was not to do harm to peaceable Catholics but to prevent a Catholic army being sent to England in support of the royalist cause in the civil wars.
When a peasants' revolt broke out in support of Martin Luther in 1524/5 he supported the (Catholic) authorities in putting it down and restoring order.
The Salem witch trials were indeed done by puritan protestants; this craze crossed the Reformation divide. But look up online the trials, torture and executions of Walpurga Hausmannin (1587), the Pappenheimer family (1600), Merga Bien (1603) and Katharina Henot (1627). Who did those?
The French Revolution was enacted by SECULARISTS, not protestants.
Apart from that, the video is entirely accurate.
http://arthurandteresabeem.blogspot.com/2013/04/catholics-killed-by-protestants.html
This list also details protestant killing of Anabaptists, who rejected infant baptism, this Anabaptist attitude is now standard in Protestantism, but wasn't then. I guess this has more information than, and some of the same information as the video.
You are a liar as usual, Chritine! It's not less than fifty. 53 posts are from you now!!!
anon 5:42
at this point, yes 52 posts, but when it was counted as 50 it was less. Why do you not blame the people who demand responses? how about how many of you anonymous posts?
how about Constance's request there be no more than one Christine bashing post a day? that's one a day period, not one per person a day. None of you kept to that and often hounded me to answer. How about the time I tried to take a discussion to my page and was nagged and nagged. you are hypocrites.
you complain of what I post about my life, yet you bring on ALL those posts because you keep after me about it or make filthy remarks that include lies.
Given the time frame of my posts was 6 days, 29th through 5th, 6 of those posts don't count. This is my post for today.
you are the ones doing the damage here. you create disruption, bury others' posts in your wash of garbage and prurient interest. FRANKLY I THINK THAT IS YOUR PURPOSE OR THE PURPOSE OF SOME OF YOU.
Meanwhile, whenever a real new ager posts openly here new age and anti Christian beliefs, YOU SAY NOTHING. only I call them out.
let's see: disruptive damaging behavior towards a blog you pretend to defend, plus TOTAL SILENCE REGARDING NEW AGE/PAGAN PROMOTION BY OPEN NEW AGERS WHENEVER IT
HAPPENS, and one of you lot is semi arian and pro reincarnation?
sounds like you have a pagan agenda going on.
Saw this on the last topic admonishing Cretine and realised it's well worth a re-post:
"You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. - Summary in the Book of Days of Oliver Cromwell's dismissal of the Rump Parliament, April 20, 1653."
Constance Cumbey said... To Anonymous 6:05
You posted this Youtube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVPlEKhqUsM
re "Protestant Atrocities". I watched it with interest. It is, unfortunately, consistent with my own research.
Constance if you appreciated that video, this one has more substance with less dramatics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G6XxFmO0wA
IMO, the only thing that stopped the Catholic Heretic hunters "Atrocities" was to do likewise? The best way to stop a bully is give him a bloody nose?
Now we all need to sing "Kumbaya, my Lord" and submit to the papacy? I think not ..... Should the murder continue on either side, I pray not.
Constance, did you watch this video? This is how the Roman church treats its own!
Confessions of an Ex-Roman Catholic Nun: Charlotte Keckler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YXcKuT2Zg
No, that video is not much more accurate, 8.07am.
The Papal States were never a "gift". Mostly they were won in battle by Pope Julius II. Is the author thinking of the "Gift of Constantine" document, a forgery?
Just who laid siege to and burnt the Vatican? Secularists, that's who, not protestants. Napoleon, then the forces of the Risorgimento that unified Italy.
It IS NOT true that it is still illegal to be a Catholic in England, and that the law still exists but is not enforced. It was repealed in a campaign led by the Duke of Wellington in the first half of the 19th century.
And that was just in the first 90 seconds, at which point I gave up.
8:37 am,
Thank you for illustrating the very important point that for most, it is easy to find something on the internet that supports their position, and use it as a reinforcement of their position, without really challenging their position with an honest and open study of all sides of an issue, from reliable sources. BY THEIR VERY NATURE, internet sources should be assumed from the outset to be unreliable.
Anyone can be an "expert" on the internet. Before the internet, you had to have your work reviewed by a publisher, and if and when it got published, their were usually experts in the field in which you published that would review your work in a book review of some kind, and if you were off base, you would find out rather quickly.
If your work was too far out of kilter with the historical record, you'd know it. And the humble and honest writer would adjust their position to be more in line with the truth. That kind of writer is becoming rarer and rarer, unfortunately. Even more rare are they on the internet.
Ray B,
I am so enjoying your posts. God bless you! As for Constance, a better researcher would have read the papal stuff, I tossed her books in the dumpster long ago. I find it so interesting the Yuri Bezmenov explained in detail how they seek out big egos to complete their subversion. Shall we endure one more radio show from her about how amazing she is and how the university is storing her documents? Skip Cumbey's books and read Tupper:
http://www.tuppersaussy.com/Books.html
She has pulled a number on Catholics....very S A D.
To Dan Bryan @ 8:07 AM ...
Thank you for your post that was addressed to Constance. While you were right to challenge her, don’t expect any response from her. Any challenge or attempt to pin her down on anything related to the Catholic Church is typically ignored. I have personal experience regarding this. Several times I have posted direct inquiries to her regarding where she stands on specific Roman Catholic doctrines & dogmas. These inquires were never answered. If one truly believes in God’s Word as the authority in all matters of faith and practice, why would one not defend their beliefs? Assuming that is, IF that person actually has faith in what the Bible clearly teaches.
Regarding the 3 minute Youtube video, Constance states that she watched it "with interest" and found it "unfortunately, consistent with my own research." One can only imagine the sources of her "research." I wonder too how much actual time Constance has logged regarding her historical “research.” Being only 3 minutes long, the video is a classic when it comes to sound bite disinformation. It is obviously designed to fool unread people into believing that this is REALLY factual, unbiased “history.” Referring to Henry VIII (the murdering adulterer) as a “protestant” should stop any knowledgeable person right there in their tracks. Instead, Constance claims the video is “consistent with her research.”
(continued)
For approximately 1,000 years (500 – 1500), the “Dark Ages” was such primarily because the Papacy and its monarchs strictly enforced Rome’s edict (upon penalty of death) that the Bible was not to be read (or taught) to the common man. Try to imagine, if you can, being under the threat of losing your life for simply wanting to know what God’s Word actually said? By the way, what began to happen around 1500? Think Tyndale & Wycliffe.
I find it amazing too, that for 620 years, the European Catholic Inquisition raged on, brutally torturing and murdering countless numbers of “heretics.” Roman Catholicism via the Pope RULED Europe through their proxy monarchies; the “protestants” ruled no one. Question: WHEN have you ever seen Constance cite any of this? Instead, she makes the baseless claim that BOTH sides were “bad,” implying the POLITICAL wars were equal to Rome’s RELIGIOUS persecutions. When it comes to choosing sides between Bible believing Christianity and the Heresies of Rome, Constance will always side with Rome. If she claims that charge is harsh and untrue, then she should be willing to answer specific questions as to where she stands on the RCC doctrines & dogmas as it relates to God’s Word.
Back some 36 years ago when I, by the infinite grace and mercy of God, became a believer in Jesus Christ and His Word, there was a saying that I used to hear (and read) pastors verbalize:
"Peace if possible, but truth at all costs."
Today, the "spirit" of this age, that saying has been amended to this"
"Truth if possible, but peace at all costs."
As a reader of this blog, which one do you think is pleasing to God?
In the interests of public safety, I found this to be well worth a re-post...
To all , please be careful if ever in Placer County (Erikson Territory: apt name for one who is all placer ((Spanish for pleasure)) and no morals!) of not being taken for a ride by a dubious "ex" Satanist called Mike.
He'll be there wearing that vile olive-green jacket of his, with scarf wrapped round his face, Mutley goggles and a dodgy karki-brown wollen hat, which altogether makes him appropiately resemble that vampire, Hannibal Lecter!
Just to be on the safe side for your wife and family, here´s what to avoid:
Ford, Reg No: D9520R1
Loaned to the driver from:
Yellow Cab of Roseville CA
201 Pacific St.
Roseville, CA. 95678
(916) 774-0303
(916) 862-1400
Email: yellowcab@ycab.us
I had "select all taxis" on the verify pics ... if in Placer County, definitely don't do that!
Anon 1:42 PM
I really not a fan of Christine Erikson's. But I'm less of a fan of this type of attack. Please stop. Whatever this man may be, he's never done anything here to deserve this. His relationship with Ms. Erikson isn't justification to make him a target.
I'd like to add an even shorter additional comment to Anon 2:41's comment:
Anon 1:42 PM and earlier....
Please stop finding your own posts worthy of reposting.
The Charlotte Keckler fraud:
The alleged ‘testimony’ of Charlotte Wells is the story of a nun (supposedly) who left the Carmelite convent and became a fundamentalist Protestant in 1945. The story she tells in her alleged testimony bears striking similarities to the Maria Monk fraud of the 19th century.
In summary: Charlotte Wells (1898-1983) reports a tale of rape and mistreatment by priests in the convent, and of torture by the mother superior, the priest fathering children by the mother superior, etc., a horror story very akin to the Maria Monk story. She traveleld about for 14 years, with a companion, Sister Nilah Rutledge, telling the story of her life to various congregations.
Her story has been posted on the internet in a few different places, under both ‘Charlotte Wells’ and ‘Charlotte Keckler’. Since the original of this article appeared in 2003, the ‘Charlotte Wells’ accounts have more or less all been removed, though those of “Charlotte Keckler” remain. Given the nature of the charges against the Roman Catholic Church, it is only in order that her story be critically examined. The following shows the apparent errors and falsehoods in this alleged ‘testimony’.
Before we go any further, however, it is helpful to discuss a logical fallacy called ‘shifting the burden of proof’. This is basically a logical error in which the side which makes an asserton tries to make the other side prove the assertion is not true. Example: ‘Aliens landed in my backyard last night. Prove they didn’t. If you can’t prove they didn’t, well, there’s the proof they did. Right?‘ Wrong. All this does is show that the side making the assertion has nothing to back up its statement.
I mention this logical fallacy because the case of Charlotte Keckler is a perfect example of attempting to shift the burden of proof away from the side making the ludicrous assertion (namely, that her story is true). In actual fact, the Keckler story, being an assertion of something that supposedly happened, itself bears the burden of proof. Later we shall see the attempted responses of those who knew Charlotte Keckler in real life, and we shall see how their efforts at “proof” end up as nothing more than pathetic efforts to shift the burden of proof.
cont.
cont.
In one part of her story she says:
‘I’m not afraid of anybody in all of this world. I’m a child of God. And I believe God won’t let anybody put a hand on me until my work is finished.’
If she was so unafraid and convinced she was doing right, why did she hide her name all the time?
But we don’t have the luxury of this information, a fact which should set alarm bells ringing for anyone seeking truth. We have no way of verifying the truth of this story she related, yet people are expected to believe it? Granted, she was accompanied for the 14 years of her travels by a companion but what does that prove? It only proves that she travelled for 14 years, certainly not that her story about her life before was true.
If her story were true, it should have been possible to come up with some kind of evidence for her story. But, as with so many other anti-Catholic tales, there is none.
Now let us have a look at the errors and inconsistencies in her story.
1. Number of nuns wrong; lifestyle wrong
Carmelite convents have a maximum of 20 nuns, yet Charlotte Wells claimed 180 nuns in her own wing. Needless to say, the name of this convent is not available.
Furthermore, the Carmelites order is cloistered, meaning the nuns never leave the convent to go outside into the world. This is in contrast to an open order, where the nuns can go outside. In the story Charlotte Wells/Keckler claims to be cloistered yet aslo claims to be a nursing sister, which would mean she would have to leave the cloister to get to work!
Dear Reader, there is no such thing as a cloistered order which does hospital work, as the two are mutually exclusive. If she was cloistered, she could not go outside to work in the hospital!
2. Wrong terminology suggests she may never have even been Catholic
Though it is quite possible Wells/Keckler was once Catholic (I have seen a photo), the taped recording of her story uses such contorted phrases as ‘going to confessional‘ and ‘the fourteen steps that Jesus carried the cross of Calvary’? Why did she not just use the proper terms ‘going to Confession’ and ‘the Stations of the Cross’? The defense that the terms used by Charlotte made more sense to Protestant ears is invalid: she could quite easily have defined the Catholic terms before using them in the taped testimony. In any case, as many Catholic would have heard her story as well. She also avoids the terms "novice" and "professed" which is quite bizarre for the story of a supposed nun, wouldn’t you think?
So was she really Catholic? It makes little difference if she were or not. Her story remains without a shred of foundation. If she were in fact Catholic, her judgment is made all the more severe on account of her dishonesty.
cont.
cont.
4. Relation of scenarios which expose a Protestant misconception of Catholic doctrine.
The story relates that the nuns are led to
‘believe that her family will be saved. It doesn’t make any difference how many banks they rob, how many stores they rob. It doesn’t make any difference how they drink and smoke and carouse and live out in this sinful world and do all the things that sinners do. It doesn’t make a bit of difference. Our family will be saved if we continue to live in the convent and give our lives to the convent and to the Church–we can rest assured that other members of our immediate family will be saved’
This is a ludicrous distortion of the Catholic doctrine of grace. It claims that one is not accountable for ones’s sins before God so long as a family member is in the convent!
The distorted idea is possibly derived from a misunderstanding of the Catholic teaching of offering up one's sufferings for the grace of conversion of others. This of course, is a thousand miles removed from the distortion presented in the story.
5. No evidence for this story: convent unknown, nun’s account not verifiable
As mentioned above, the alleged “testimony” of Charlotte Wells suffers from the fact that there is no convent name where these events supposedly took place; there is no history of the individual who relates it until long after the supposed events took place (the name Charlotte Wells being a pseudonym, as mentioned earlier, for Charlotte Keckler); there was no reason for the nun in question to hide her identity, if she were speaking the truth; there are no other sources in the story, no references, no named third parties which could support this story. In total: NOTHING.
Note: Claims that such convents, complete with dungeons, existed in Mexico, as ‘proven’ by the 1934 opening of the convents by the Mexican revolutionary government, actually prove nothing. There was in fact only one convent ‘opened’ in 1934, this being the Convent of Saint Monica, in the central Plazea, Puebla, Mexico; this convent had operated secretly till from 1857 till 1934. (Convents and monasteries had been abolished in 1857 under the anti-clerical Benito Juarez and the new Constitution of Mexico which stripped the Church of its property.). It is the necessarily secretive nature of this convent’s existence was used to substantiate the falsehoods about secret passages and dungeons in convents for such stories as Charlotte Wells’.
Charlotte Wells’ story is in no way corroborated by this story, as this convent was the exception, not the norm. (There is another convent in the same city of Puebla, the former Convent of Saint Rose at 14 Poniente No. 305, with a museum exhibit built in 1926, of an 18th century kitchen). The stories Charlotte Wells recounts of abuse, torture, and illicit sex are nothing but fiction which can never be substantiated. In any case Charlotte Wells, conveniently for her story, does not name the convent she was in.
cont.
cont.
Summary
The “testimony” of Charlotte Wells is a slanderous story of anti-Catholic nonsense based on the earlier work of Maria Monk. In keepng with this genre, there is not an ounce of factual evidence, no names or addresses, just sensationalist slander. Catholics presented with this "testimony" should recognize it for what it really is.
A couple of final notes:
(i)The author has written to Sister Nilah Rutledge seeking corroboraiton of Charlotte Wells' story. To date, there has been no reply.
(ii)For Charlotte Wells to claim that she had to change her name because was hiding from the Catholics is belied by the fact that she appeared publicly for 15 years with her so-called "conversion". If the "evil Catholics" wanted to silence her they just had to show up at one of her venues.
A much better reason for a name change is to hide behind a lying mask.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040109041001/http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/forgeries/charlottewells.html
MARIA MONK (FRAUD)
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=154
THE REAL MARIA MONK
J. Bernard Delany, O.P.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MARIAMNK.htm
Anonymous Anonymous said... The Charlotte Keckler fraud:
It was great for you to have found an apologist position already written for you on the web, that you could cut and paste the text. You would have served Constance's blog by placing some key points then adding the link?
My mom was placed in a Catholic orphanage as a child and lived there until it came to light that she was being abused. Her father, not having the means to take care of her placed her into another one.
Her stories to me of her treatment in those institutions left her with physical and emotional scars that only were relieved by her going home to the Lord.
I will not reiterate what she exactly suffered, as you may find another post to deny my mother's story?
That testimony of Charlotte Keckler, may very well be a fraud, but it has a basis in truth, IMO.
anon 10:18 am said to RayB (who didn't criticize the scorn towards Constance)
"As for Constance, a better researcher would have read the papal stuff, I tossed her books in the dumpster long ago."
what are you doing here then? trying to derail her blog by starting fights?
"Shall we endure one more radio show from her about how amazing she is and how the university is storing her documents?"
your description is false. very very rarely does she mention that university
having her papers. never does she say things adding up to how amazing she is.
your pomposterous statement makes no sense. (pomposterous a neologism of mine combines pompous and preposterous.) "shall we endure" is this a call to arms? what keeps you here? what browser requires you to listen to her show before you can go anywhere else on the internet? why not just leave instead of complaining?
Tupper Saussey deals with one of many power players. This blog is about a paranormal entity driven conspiracy to create a one
world government and religion, which has always been hostile to
Christianity and has had RC in its crosshairs for centuries and has to some
extent infiltrated it. you have attempted to hijack this blog to fight occultism's biggest organized enemy. Saussey doesn't even touch on this issue,
so is way inferior to Constance.
Dan Bryan etc.
abuse by nuns has been reported many times nothing like what
Maria Monk and her copier describe. Those kinds of things did happen - in Europe
in some infamous incidents where the problem was not Roman Catholicism but
satanism by priests and nuns in a couple of convents in France.
But your story is a little strange, how does a chld with a father get into an orphanage which by definition is for children with NO parents, and get to be taken out and put in another as if shifted from one school to another? or
maybe it is her story that is shifty? concocted or exagerated to keep you
from RC if you showed interest? yes abuses occurred, but
they don't relate to RC doctrine in any way. The exact same things and worse
have occurred under protestant and secular authorities. exaggerated obedience among monastics can create abusiveness. Also whipping was normal discipline in all
families in prior generations regardless of religion. some who were over
sensitive and some whose parents were violent suffered more than they should
have. Without details including the circumstances under which these things
happened, its impossible to draw any conclusions. Some were traumatized by
rulers slapping the back of the hand, others praised God for this as it
helped them focus.
by the way, regarding your notion that God the Son was not always in existence, I understand that John MacArthur teaches something similar, and Benny Hinn did
also. sounds like you got baggage from your charismatic days, or picked it up from MacArthur's preaching? Many teachers are good on some key points but dead wrong on others. In one of the strange fire sessions, he denied we have
the power/authority to bind satan. But there is a biblical basis for this. One
who does so acts (or should be acting) as Christ's representative, and Christ
talked about His servants casting out demons, hardly mutually exclusive
activities. Indeed to cast out is to bind to leave.
you criticize the poster for not "placing some key points then adding the link?" how many actually pursue a link that isn't clickable? this ensures it will be read.
Dan,
There is no serious doubt that the Charlotte Keckler/Wells tale is fabricated. Protestants (I am one) who use it against Rome discredit only themselves. But you can read a book edited by Richard Bennett and Mary Hertel called "The truth set us free: 20 former nuns tell their stories". There is also this survey (sponsored in part by Catholic orders) of sexual attacks from within the church on nuns in North America:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3512299?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
"at this point, yes 52 posts, but when it was counted as 50 it was less. Why do you not blame the people who demand responses? how about how many of you anonymous posts?
how about Constance's request there be no more than one Christine bashing post a day? that's one a day period, not one per person a day. None of you kept to that and often hounded me to answer. How about the time I tried to take a discussion to my page and was nagged and nagged. you are hypocrites."
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Christine,
I disagree with the anonymous poster(s) who make you out to be some kind of vile / evil monster. You're not that bad.
But in my mind you have to be the World's Worst Spoiled Brat ever.
The way you defend yourself you remind me of the kid on the playground who has brought all kinds of dislike upon yourself
from all the other kids and instead of modifying your behavior, and instead of having a little humility, you double down with the
obnoxious self righteous attitude, which just make them dispise you even more, which, in turn makes you turn UP the obnoxiousness even more, in a downward spiral.
Your self defense mechanism is leading you down the wrong path. Their dislike of you should not be a trigger to be even more of a nuisance, but less. Try the other tack. You know that you are an irritant to EVERYONE on this blog. Try a little humilty. Try a lot of humility.
_But you are well entrenched in your present approach even though it only makes people hate you, which sadly has become the norm for you. You thrive on negative feedback.
You are not a professor.
You are not a scholar.
You are a fraud and a self declared expert on the subject of pseudo-sciences. So you have read a lot. Congratulations. The world really doesn't turn around your little nose, you should know by now.
Aspergers is a bullshit, made-up so called syndrome just like all the other adhd, bipolar, bullcrap made-up syndromes which we have these days which are all invented in order to sell endless chemical prescriptions.
What you call Aspergers is really just an obnoxious anti social attitude for which most boys receive a punch in the nose while still very young, ( I did ), which actually worked quite well for centuries before this Pharmageddon world we live in now.
I've long since ceased to read your comments, but the fact that the comment section is all about you, all the time, is impossible to miss.
Constance has said that you have a "good heart". I completely disagree.
You're self absorbed, self righteous, and totally lacking empathy, or even common respect.
Fully agree Paul!
Well said.
Dan @ 12:16 AM
I have known of some real abuses, too. Second hand, but I believe the stories, one especially. My elderly neighbor who died about 10 years ago told me of what had happened to her at the hands of nuns when she too was in a catholic orphanage. I spoke to her about the Lord and His power to change my life, that He could cleanse and change hers, too.. She listened, but she was still caught up in the bitterness it left upon her heart. I prayed for her soul to find relief in Christ. Don't know the outcome. Her son came and moved her away, to where I did not know.
For the wrongs we have done,
and the wrongs done to us,
have been nailed there with HIM,
there on the Cross......
A monster? No.
But a self-righteous sinner? Yes.
Christine, you would do well to look at God's checklist in Romans chapter 1: 29-32 specifically and get yourself under the blood of Jesus. No hocus pocus, or ritual, not by the will of your fleshly mind, but by the Spirit who leads us in simple faith straight to The Blood's cleansing healing power. Pride will keep you from this. Humility, shown to us by the Spirit, takes us there.
Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
anon 10:18 am said to RayB (who didn't criticize the scorn towards Constance)
Dan Bryan etc.
.........Those kinds of things did happen - in Europe
True to form, you speak without knowledge but it was interesting, hearing you impugn my mom's story in terms of Christina speak! (shifty? concocted or exagerated)
Thanks for your other fine comments.
Blessings
Dan,
Christina questioning the validity of your Mother's account is so typical.
My Grandmother (my father's mother) was raised in Vienna, Austria at a Catholic orphanage. She died in 1970 at the age of 91. A few years after I became a Christian, I had a long conversation with my Aunt and she told me that my Grandmother was abused by the priests at the orphanage. My Aunt also told me that my Grandmother's account was so horrible she couldn't repeat what she was told. Until her dying day, my Grandmother never set foot again inside of a Catholic church.
Not only does the Catholic church have a history regarding the abuse of children, they also have a history of covering up these crimes, paying off victims (to buy their silence), and transferring offending priests into other dioceses ... only to repeat their abuse on more children. There is something very evil and diabolical about any institution that is complicit in the crimes of this nature.
" Also whipping was normal discipline in all
families in prior generations regardless of religion"
Somebody neglected to give you some good old-fashioned whippin's then, MCE.
I got those when I was a kid. But I did not resent my parents in a long term way (and my dad could be pretty harsh sometimes but I worked through that). When I was grown and raising my own children I thanked them for the whippin's. Taught me some humility. You have no idea what humility is.
No wonder the blog is sick of you.
I disagree, 2:41 PM,
if Ms Erikson stops her offenses at this blog, posts once a day and no more then I would see such uncharacteristically good manners deserve reciprocation, likewise, her poor manners warrant others being warned of her and her friend with benefits.
She is a real danger to the vulnerable. I suggest she shows good faith and she will get the same returned. Until then, it is my duty as a concerned citizen to warn others of her ilk, here and elsewhere!
As I said, 8:08 PM, in the interests of public safety, I found this to be well worth a re-post...
To all , please be careful if ever in Placer County (Erikson Territory: apt name for one who is all placer ((Spanish for pleasure)) and no morals!) of not being taken for a ride by a dubious "ex" Satanist called Mike.
He'll be there wearing that vile olive-green jacket of his, with scarf wrapped round his face, Mutley goggles and a dodgy karki-brown wollen hat, which altogether makes him appropiately resemble that vampire, Hannibal Lecter!
Just to be on the safe side for your wife and family, here´s what to avoid:
Ford, Reg No: D9520R1
Loaned to the driver from:
Yellow Cab of Roseville CA
201 Pacific St.
Roseville, CA. 95678
(916) 774-0303
(916) 862-1400
Email: yellowcab@ycab.us
I had "select all taxis" on the verify pics ... if in Placer County, definitely don't do that!
It´s a pity she's so fat: it´s a GREAT PITY!
She snorts back snot like the pig she is in her video .... yuk!
Nasty little oink if ever there was one!
Matt 8:28 -34
28 When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
30 Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. 31 The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
32 He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. 33 Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. 34 Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.
"EAT BUGS!..."
Brought to you by infowolf1 channeler, MCE
"avoid bright colored bugs, could be poisonous, ditto smelly or hairy bugs."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuYpRFIyNog
Perhaps those vampires she talks of attacking her, were youtube fans who'd seen this video and mistook or rightly took her for a big fat smelly and hairy bug! Who knows ...
Here is why Ms Erikson is a dangerous New Ager with her promotion of Aliens, etc!
"United Nation's "UNICEF" Mass Conditioning - Coming Alien Disclosure Lie?"
Published on Aug 23, 2015
"The demonic powers that be at the United Nations are preparing children to accept the Antichrist and his demonic minions that WILL be released on earth. This video NOT a creative tool for expressing the Johnny come lately anti-bullying nonsense. ANY one with a biblical background should be able to see the symbolism encoded within this. Jesus Christ is the only hope. Seek him."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABNQrR-4bSM
Dear 3:27 PM,
I disagree with you in a profound way, even though I agree with much you have pointed out. Why? Because the truth should be offensive to the sinner, not the truth teller. Wise as serpents to call it sin, but harmless as doves to know we aren't the ones to condemn another. Why not confront without becoming confrontational yourself?
You misrepresent God by these personalized attacks on another's person. Call out behavior but leave it to God to address that by His Spirit to another soul.
Take heed lest ye fall are words that should sober us! There but for the grace of God go I! (and you!)
Truth without Grace is brutal. Grace without Truth is hypocrisy.
Jesus is the the sum total of truth and grace, both, in their perfect order and balance. John 1:14 and John 1:17
That is who you are misrepresenting.
Who here doesn't realise Christine is wacko,,,, ANYONE?
There is no need to abuse her by calling her all kinds of really nasty and hurtful things, and critisizing her appearance, very unchristian to do so! Really disgusting! Stop the childish behavior.
Constance would actually be helping Christine by banning her from this site for good!
She needs help!
Please Constance,,,, do the right thing.
Yes, a gentler spirit is what is needed , 3:27. Many of us are angry and tired of her but a less offensive way of saying things would be better.
Having said that, gluttony is a sin as is being a sloth.
I agree with 4:13 . If she were banned, Constance would be doing her a favor and hopefully she'd get out for some no doubt needed fresh air and exercise.
The Bible has to be infallible.
How else could it survive so many years of bad preaching?
(including Christine Erikson's)
Sola Scriptura!!!!!!!
Dan Bryan,
Re: I will not reiterate what she exactly suffered, as you may find another post to deny my mother's story?
That testimony of Charlotte Keckler, may very well be a fraud, but it has a basis in truth, IMO.
The only reason why you are kvetching is because you do not have any evidence to back up your Charlotte Keckner story, and you are not going to be allowed to get away with shifting the burden of proof which is on the accuser, not the accused.
What hard evidence do you have that this particular Charlotte Keckner case has a "basis in truth?" Either it is true or it is not. You bet I posted the article debunking the story in all its entirety.....with no apologies.
That said, I have no desire to deny your mother's story. Since I do not know you and never knew your mother, it is silly to even suggest such a thing.
I am actually very sorry for whatever abuse your mother may have suffered - presumably at the hands of Catholic religious in an orphanage. Any religious who did abuse your mother in any way will have to answer to God for their wretched behavior to a helpless child which was a sin and scandal if it actually occurred and, as the Bible tells us, "millstone worthy."
One more thing....the reason I am not inclined to doubt what you have said about the abuse your mother endured is because my own mother was once taught by a Catholic nun when she attended parochial school who, according to her, was an abusive wretch who was as mean as cat dirt. My mother used to say that probably the only reason she - and others like her - became a nuns in the first place was not because they had true vocations to love God and neighbor as consecrated religious, but to escape the stigma (back then) of becoming an old maid. The same holds true for any Catholic men who sought to hide their homosexuality and other disordered desires behind a Roman collar.
But when all is said and done, the Catholic Church does not exactly have a monopoly on this sort of thing. Abuse does not necessarily have to occur in a Catholic convent, monastery etc. in order for it to qualify as abuse.
And when you present these fraudulent sensationalist tales like that of Keckler as if they were true, and as if only Catholics are involved in this sort of thing, all you wind up doing is stepping on your own airhose......because there are actually a lot of Catholics who sympathize with you and would whole-heartedly condemn the kind of abuse you claim your mother suffered in Catholic orphanages which should have been paragons of Christ-like charity and virtue.
Peace and Blessings
World Bank
This may be old news, however I found it interesting, especially with the bank account name of White Spiritual Boy???? What the heck is that?
I watched this video, of which I thought it was some weird NewAge whack job, then at the end he mentioned ASBLP 0330. It is so weird, I will let you draw your own conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COajFKl-8Y0
I then located that document which appears to be some world banking consolidation documentation. An audited statements of accounts of which you can access below, at the end of the document you will note the signatures of our Obama, The Bernanke and Geithner among other world leaders including the Vatican.
https://endpatras.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/209255397-world-bank-2012-final-audited-statement-files-for-asblp-accounts-updates-and-revised-3-30-2012.pdf
I still do not know what to make of it. What I do see as significant is the lack or irrelevancy of Russia and more importantly China, not being signatures of the same.
This blog was derailed the day Christine entered. Since the day she posted it's been nothing but insult and discord and now it's finally turned on her. The blog is in a state of being locked up and going nowhere fast.
Anonymous said...3:40 PM
"United Nation's "UNICEF" Mass Conditioning - Coming Alien Disclosure Lie?"
Thanks for the link.
The video on their FaceBook page is in Spanish.
https://www.facebook.com/unicefchile/videos/946000022110234/?pnref=story
Dear Constance, do you believe you can get björn (farmer) to weigh in on this?
Thanks,
dan
World Bank - Followup
It appears that the previous email was a settlement to the Philippines.
If you read the Preface here, it appears that the Philippines received a settlement from the world bank for stolen funds at the end of WWII? (It is a little difficult to read)
How is the economy of the Philippines today?
Is there a big investment opportunity here?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/135370661/Complete-Puzzle-of-ASBLP-File-of-2007
Dan, what does this have to do with the New Age?
"Here is why Ms Erikson is a dangerous New Ager with her promotion of Aliens, etc!"
which I have repeatedly stated are physical, demon involved, and lie through
their teeth or whatever. that they may claim they made us but in fact our
ancestors made their ancestors.
The physical ones are savable because all creatures except fallen angels are included in the eventual restoration of creation that Jesus' death and Resurrection laid the groundwork for. the ones who would walk
among us are probably 7/8 human and wouldn't look odd. Because they've been
kidnapping people and breeding hybrids from us for generations. new age
claims they are good and spiritual etc. that is nonsense. they have a take over agenda that involves use of new age notions. so do lots of regular humans.
"Are all aliens descendants of Adam? Is that why they need to be converted?"
most likely.
"Where did you receive this channeled information?"
It is not channeled it is the result of submitting all available NONchanelled information to the limitations and implications the Bible gives.
I DO NOT DEAL WITH CHANNELED INFORMATION. only what abductees have seen and heard and sometimes physical evidence for all this. That evidence itself is telling, all DNA samples from glowing hand prints or whatever are from earth.
"How did these aliens find a way to get 'off world'?"
wrong question. how did mankind, unmodified and modified get off world? two scenarios. a development over centuries such as we've done but with the big brains living alongside the next generations as all lived hundreds of years. imagine newton, Einstein, tesla, von braun, and the Horton brothers and schauberger all living at the same time and working together. what would you think would result?
technology doesn't have to be limited to the directions ours took more recently (past 200 years). electrogravitics could have been dominant from the start.
secondly, fallen angels were involved with humans per Genesis 6, and probably jump started a lot of things to gain influence in society.
"Did the giants get off world and then come back?"
again, wrong question. "there were giants in the earth in those days AND AFTER when the sons of God etc etc." giants existed anyway a natural anomaly. military leaders would want more. the angels (non reproducing species, could get solid but no DNA to contribute) gave them what they wanted, genetic engineering either from scratch or improving it, same all technology. By the time of the Flood or some centuries before, earth (or competing elements on earth) had an empire to Mars and beyond.
"Hybrid souls? Are all souls redeemable? How would you know?"
traducianism dictates hybridity of souls. lack of soul in any real sense is lack of existence. If animals and sea slugs and suchlike can praise God (Rev. 5:13 and other hints elsewhere) then they are in a relationship with Him and included in the new heavens and new earth. they are souls we are souls a hybrid soul is a soul. Given the lateral inheritance thing (look that up for yourself) which GMO badly mimics we are subtly hybridzed anyway (potato and chimp and whatnot genes in the human genome).
"So we engineered the aliens so they can return to deceive us?"
not for that purpose. but those wanting to conquer would use whatever propaganda they could. noticing that their psychic attacks can be blocked by calling on Jesus or rebuking in His Name, they would steer people away from that. also they are in some deal with the devil. two reasons to do that.
the deception is not that they exist, the deception is whatever kind of false religious ideas they would promote. The Great Deception is likely nothing of this, though this might feed into it a bit, more likely the worship of the antichrist or some kind of predisposing false religion.
Apparently, a certain someone, was taking out her garbage @ 8:04 in the morning, and instead of putting it out on the curb, she decided to dump it in here.
Constance has plenty of evidence that her blog has been flooded with Ms. Erikson's agenda in posting her warped world/other world views, trying to pin a anti-new age spin on it all (and it doesn't stick). Has been pure static coming from her against what Constance has tried to make clear. How tiring and boring is her mind candy posted here.
When Constance really takes the time to evaluate the damage done to her own anti-new age message here at her own blog, she will finally see that the license she gave her to post here should be revoked.
The comments section really has become Erikson's personal dump site for garbage, no doubt about it.
Well, a dog returns to its vomit, and her garbage is full of it , left to fester for years without true spiritual disinfection and always with the same demonic dark and rotten ingredients. Yes, she dumps it here over and again.
Those who expose and disinfect such deceptive gnostic trash of hers under the salt and light of Biblical truth, she attacks , falsely accuses, insults and dismisses with the utmost arrogance and then has the cheek to call such Christians, bullies!
She is spiritually poor and wretched yet claims she is knowledgably wealthy! Her self-righteousness and rebellious pride knows no bounds as she incessantly and constantly scatters her stinking pig-swill of doctrines of devils all over this blog: she should have been banned a long time ago!
To the anti-Christine commenters here,
You seem to have LOTS of time (which I wish I had), so why not start up a forum somewhere, with the kind of controls needed to ban or otherwise control posters who get out of control?
It's easy to criticize, but not so easy to offer solutions, yes?
I'm guessing that Constance doesn't have the time, and never will, to properly run a forum, exercising the kinds of controls many here are asking for (and that truly are needed).
There are plenty of places a person could set something up, and for free. Here is a list of the most popular free and not-free forum softwares:
http://www.quertime.com/article/15-best-online-forum-platforms-software-free-and-paid/
Some require installing, some don't.
So how about it?
I'm guessing that Constance doesn't have the time, and never will, to properly run a forum, exercising the kinds of controls many here are asking for (and that truly are needed).
I don't agree, 11.38am. Only one thing need be done by Constance to trurn this blog round, and it's easy to implement.
Slight change of subject ...
Link below is for an interview of Catherine Austin Fitts by Greg Hunter, touching on a variety of social, economic, geopolitical as well as the USA Pres. election. I found this very interesting ... hope you will as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kdIKQDorng
PS: Greg Hunter's youtube channel is one site I never miss. He interviews 2 guests (always interesting) per week and wraps up with a weekly commentary on Fridays. I generally do not recommend websites ... but Greg Hunter's is one I always encourage people to check out.
Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said... @ 8:04 AM
Dan, what does this have to do with the New Age?
Oh enlighten us! Daughter of the morning. Expound thy wisdom! Hold not back! Give us the questions to ask and then distill your deluded answers in the ointment of moths. And then shall come forth the blessing of the pit! A smell of the rotting carcass shall be sweet and desired in comparison.
Her hour has come. She cometh forth stepping out of the per-dulvian primal soup, neutering angels and in the same paragraph justifies her sexual perspicuity outside of a marital covenant under God.
You didn't answer the question, Dan.
Or shall I call you Trump the II?
Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said... @ 8:04 AM
Dan, what does this have to do with the New Age?
Anonymous Anonymous said... @ 2:03 PM
You didn't answer the question, Dan.
Which post are you referring to? Have you reviewed all the materials?
For what it's worth...the Golden Rule, Global Unity, Ecumenism, and the Pope, all nicely wrapped up together in this little anti-christ rant from Deepak Chopra:
Will Pope Francis Become a Holy Man for the World?
Article excerpts:
“Every pope is also the guardian of a second Jesus…”
“There is a third Jesus who today stands higher in modern reputation than either the historical or the theological Jesus. This is the Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount, a teacher of higher consciousness….”
“Jesus was speaking from the level of God consciousness (as we tend to call it today), inviting his listeners to create the world he envisions.”
“I hope in a corner of my heart that Francis I can open himself to a kind of Super-ecumenical position not only allowing that other faiths have validity, but seeing that the Eastern tradition of higher consciousness is in fact universal.”
“If we are in fact witnessing the career of the most conscious pope in modern times, let him tell us more about consciousness and the spiritual fulfillment it contains.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/will-pope-francis-become-_b_8911402.html
There is a "religious climate change" going on that has been in the making for a long time, but gaining much ground these days with Pope Francis at the helm as we witnessed last year at the UN.
I think Deepak Chopra won't have to wait long to get the fully homogenized blend that he's wanting.
http://archives.weirdload.com/mmonk.html
“Awful Disclosures”
— But No Longer Unbelievable
Maria Monk Reconsidered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6K2QwJeybw
http://www.reformation.org/maria-monk.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq_5jvxI9mU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5aInfMEALI
Lincoln and the Jesuits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6OyXMyQVqk
Jesuits and Rome and VietNam, can you just hear them whisper in the ears of the Catholic Royals ...do charge more rent...do it please those heritics....and on the other side in the ears of the Buddhists....oh those pesky royals....you deserve human rights...let us protest...burning man style.. and the agitators are the same as Chicago and Baraka Obama-Alinskyites in tactics.
"What happened in Viet Nam will be felt in America" she said...propping up satellites up with puppets? Yes we have gotten used to this pattern. Never mind darling your children have been flown to Rome ..come now, they said..(as she cursed America)...she did not know the ways of Jesuits deception/theater...it's an "art" to lie and deceive and cause discourse among human brothers, now matter if God hates us, we are innocent, we have out own laws, "do what thou wilt" is the whole of our law, pay no attention to the ones who say God's Law is the character of God Himself, it's only art what we do...or something similar to the Spanish Civil war...and all the others...just some arts projects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfAyNrEsqic
"I'd Organize Hell" - Saul Alinsky TV interview 1966
I have been thinking maybe that Luther was God's answer to Loyola and Ellen White God's answer to H. P. Blavatsky, funny that Elvis read Blavatsky on stage...what a showman.
To Dorothy and others:
I've attempted little censorship here, except recently to unsuccessfully try to tone down and remove many of Christine's posts. When I saw complaints that there were numerous attempts to post, I did check my spam box on the comments and I marked most that did not make it here as "not spam". I'm in trial this week and much else is going on -- I'm a Precinct Delegate and involved with the political/election process as well.
I'm going to try to catch up, but the volume between Christine and others is like trying to read a long and rambling book.
I suggest Christine take another one of her long vacations from this blog. Sorry, Christine to have to do it, but your actions are repetitive and stir up too much dissent here taking away from serious issues.
Sorry!
I'm also going to delete posts referring to one's physical appearance and accusations of "ugly" unless the "ugly" is the content and/or character -- not references to physical appearance.
CONSTANCE
Constance, for clarification - will you actually enforce a temporary ban on Christine if she tries to post, or is this another request? She has ignored plenty in the past.
Constance,
I will take another vacation. The past three posts were one in a day except one that a second brief one to support something you said. These people have never respected your request to do only one Christine bashing post a day, so why not delete everything they post that is not new age relevant, and is more than one Christine bashing post in an am to pm cycle of time?
Meanwhile, every time some overt new ager/pagan posts defending or preaching new age or outright paganism, none of them speak up, I am the one that challenges such people. A while back you commented on new age moles lurking here, well, I think at least one of the attackers here (who drove out Joyce, and Dorothy and others years ago), is exactly that. the attacks on "religion" and against using your mind in reading Scripture and Grant dragging in Viola's book while disingenuously
claiming he doesn't endorse him, tells me the bulk of this garbage is from charismatics and new age moles.
I will leave you all with some links to research.
http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/forcing_change_carl_teichrib_globalism.html
many articles by Carl Teichbrib most of which you'd have to pay for elsewhere.
http://www.markswatson.com/occultgov.html
https://visionthought.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/occult-practices-of-the-american-political-establishment/
http://freedomoutpost.com/bohemian-grove-conservative-christian-leaders-go-dabble-occult/
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/210607_bg.html bohemian grove attendee list
http://exposebohemiangrove.org/ lots of research connecting some attendees to policy and economic issues.
http://www.dtl.org/treatise/parallels-1.htm parallels between the charismatic and new age movements
http://www.dtl.org/treatise/parallels-2.htm
http://www.endtime.net/engelsk/charisma.htm
http://www.unitypublishing.com/NewReligiousMovements/WhatSpirtPart6.html Frank Sandford back of Parham and Swedenborg back of his pedigree = contaminated flow
http://www.tribwatch.com/apostles.htm
as usual the rest of the articles at the various sites I don't automatically endorse in some cases disagree with or haven't read.
charismatics, in my opinion, should be classified with the new age.
http://www.tribwatch.com/charismatic.htm
as for covenant before God Mike and I have an understanding this is permanent and that is covenant before God enough. Perspicuity is braininess, Dan, and promiscuity is multiple partners over a few months without selectivity. I think you meant promiscuity. And I am not promiscuous. and you are moving in the zone of slander in itself type statements where you don't need to prove damage.
Charismaticism roots are in heretics and links to Swedenborg one of the two root sources James Webb's books show back of the most dangerous developments in illuminated politics,I think the other is Martinism but I'm not sure.
My own experience with one charismatic (and experiences of others with such) tells me the whole thing is demonic except where God barges in and does something now and then usually resulting in someone coming out of it.
Maria Monk's story was probably cobbled together from rumors slipping out from a Satanist infiltrated convent, but one detail derails her story as being hers: you don't mix acid and base. quicklime for the bodies and add acid to help breakdown? nah.
meanwhile some people worry Copeland et al is leading "the church" (dubious designation) back to Rome. Actually, they are looking to take Rome over.
9:48 AM, you wrote: "...and is more than one Christine bashing post in an am to pm cycle of time?"
Christians here and elsewhere have not only a right but a stark duty to challenge, expose, rebuke and correct the sort of ungodly nonsense you and others like you promote. One post from one person may expose you on one point and another on another. Or, one may confirm what another has said in exposing your gnostic heresies and promotion of sin, as well as defending themselves or others against you baseless attacks and false accusations on folk here, for which you are renowned.
"Meanwhile, every time some overt new ager/pagan posts defending or preaching new age or outright paganism, none of them speak up, I am the one that challenges such people..."
You have got to be joking! I shan't bother listing all the tripe you display here, we know already. If you want this site to be free from pagan and gnostic doctrines of devils then stop posting!
God does not endorse your shacking up out of wedlock and living in sin , even if you plan to do so for as long as you live. Such is abominable!
Now, don't make yourself a liar yet again here and take that long vacation forthwith and until you have repented , don't come back!
Above you can see Constance apologising to Christine when she (Constance) is doing nothing wrong. In contrast...
Absolutely right, 11:12 AM, Christine's heart is hardened and the love of the truth is not in her. Were it to have been otherwise then we would have seen the evidence and results thereof. Sadly, her fruits are far from the spirit of Christianity.
Luke 6
A Tree and its Fruit
(Matthew 7:15-23; Matthew 12:33-37)
43For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 44For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. 45A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Catholic Priest 'Caught Snorting Cocaine in Nazi Room '.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35688817
3:03 Now that's the video definition of NEW AGE!!! Let's guess...hmm...Priest huh? Crossan have an SJ behind his name??
http://tullylish.com/photos/ordination/413-ordination
Stephen prostrates himself on the altar while the Bishop prays over him
same guy?
http://tullylish.com/photos/caught-on-camera/1705-farewell-fr-crossan
yup
https://www.facebook.com/BanbridgeChroniclePress/posts/725421860902721
he lost some weight....
LOL the comment!! Exactly my point as well!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/12180306/Australian-inquiry-hears-of-gun-toting-paedophile-priest.html
Terrible, 4:56 , cover-ups by an archbishop and dubious excuses by a cardinal and the Vatican's complicit guilt through saying and doing nothing to stop this pedophile and many more like him in that spiritually dead institution!
Very informative ... "Secrets of the Vatican" (PBS Frontline) investigative documentary on the Rome's crimes and the Vatican's subsequent cover-ups.
WARNING: contains adult subject matter. Viewer discretion is advised.
http://www.pbs.org/video/2365187642/
Dear RayB
Thanks for the Secrets of the Vatican
Do you believe as I do that this piece is just for damage control?
Can the Roman Curia ever change or does it morph and change color to protect itself? Is there or will there ever be the political will within the Vatican to fix the sex abuse thing? Do you have any hope for change or will we see a shift of focus, 'oh, look at this shiny new thing over here'?
Anon 6:40,
There are many Catholics who are not "spiritually dead" but are in fact, sincere believers and followers of Christ.
As for the "institution" itself, the hierarchy, the government, and the Popes, well, their spiritual condition (dead or alive) is also debatable.
As one anti-christ has noted, it has been the spiritual role of the various Popes to be the "guardians of a second Jesus", or more specifically, a "Jesus" for the New Age that, unlike the historical Jesus, does not divide people, but unites all of mankind.
Obviously, those who promote such heresies are very much alive.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/will-pope-francis-become-_b_8911402.html
Christine is gone and posting drops to a trickle.
Weird
Omots, and who says the Popes are not New Age theosophists themselves? If Chopra said the Earth is spherical would that mean he was wrong just because he's a gnostic reprobate?
I used to be a Roman Catholic so as a born again Christian, I know that Babylonian institution to be spiritually dead! Did I say that meant all Roman Catholics are therefore spiritually dead too? No I didn't, though those who are not are not spiritually dead in spite of her ( Rome) and not because of her. That is why the Holy Scriptures tell such Christians to 'come out of her' so that they don't suffer her plagues, which is precisely what I did, praise God, so don't put words in my mouth! Rome is spiritually dead and if you can't see that then you are blind, and if the blind follow the blind both shall fall into a ditch!
You are not being spiritually loving to many Roman Catholics, quite the opposite! You are patting their backs all the way to Hell!
You are therefore either deliberately obfuscating things here and are an agent of that spiritually dead institution or you have not done your homework.
To: 9:36 AM
I think what we are witness to is the blog's exhaustion after she has overworked it, wearied and manipulated it, with her non-stop bad lifestyle, "teaching", manners, and belief systems, flooding it to the eyebrows.....
Let the blog take some deep breaths.
Goodness knows, it needs it.
And why she should have to vacate and not just vacation from it.
She needs her own radio or tv show. Patterned after the Jerry Springer variety of "entertainment".
Her blog is a dump. She should stay there.
The Pope is declared to the "Proper Receptor " [False Prophet] to the New Age Christ ( Antichrist )!
http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc104.htm
Not surprisingly so, considering the diabolical fiascos of Assisi 1986 and 2011, and Francis' attending of the 911 memorial service late last year.
Who can forget those horrendous images of JPII kissing the Unholy Koran or receiving the mark of Shiva on his forehead, etc? !
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com.es/2010/11/constance-cumbey-and-catholic-church.html?m=1
Exposing the New Age and defending Rome?
9:39....
I am glad that you are not my final judge, or the final judge of those who follow Christ within whatever "structured religion" they find themselves at the moment. Not everyone the Holy Spirit calls moves as fast as you did. I think the Lord understands this, and He is patient, and merciful, and I wish you would display a little more of the Lord's patience and mercy.
Don't be like Joshua, wailing and bemoaning that he's the only one who hasn't bowed down to Baal. You really don't know who belongs to Christ - none of us do. We think we know. We are fruit inspectors, but we aren't the harvesters.
On that Great Day of the harvest, in fact, there will be many surprises. While Christ warns us of those who think they have made it, but really didn't, isn't it possible that there will be also those who will make it that the rest of us thought were lost causes? Probably a good chance of it, I would say.
Realizing this should make us all a little less quick to condemn others, and a little more quick to attend to our own eternal destiny.
"On that Great Day of the harvest, in fact, there will be many surprises. While Christ warns us of those who think they have made it, but really didn't, isn't it possible that there will be also those who will make it that the rest of us thought were lost causes? Probably a good chance of it, I would say."
Amen.
Some that don't have all the ducks in a row in doctrine but humbly know and love the Lord will be there. Some that have much doctrine correct yet are proud in it, won't be.
Everyone's theology will be perfectly right when we see Jesus the King of Glory.
In the meantime God knows those that are His. His now, or yet to be......
Anon 9:39,
You assume too much, and completely misinterpret my point. Is not Lucifer very much alive? Are not the demons themselves living beings? A dead thing has no power, and is soon forgotten. For someone to claim that the Catholic Church is "spiritually dead" is absurd, and just plain wrong. The spirit of anti-christ is very much alive and active in the world, and in the Catholic Church, at least until God decides otherwise.
As for individual Catholics, I know many who are sincere believers, very much embarrassed by their own church leadership to the point of feeling betrayed. And yes, they should leave. God will be our/their judge, not me, or you.
Hi Dan,
I do think that the “damage control” came at the end of the PBS documentary with the “coronation” of Francis, implying heavily that he would be an agent of “real” change. Prior to that piece of propaganda, I felt it very accurately portrayed how the Vatican really operates. I found it interesting that it verified what others that are “in the know” have said regarding the powerful homosexual lobby that exists inside the Vatican (one of the primary reasons Francis stated "who am I to judge?"). As far as the “child sex abuse” issue, that has been going on globally for centuries, so I don’t see anything changing other than Rome taking more effective steps doing what they do best; create a better smoke screen in order to hide their dirty secrets.
Also, based on their well documented past history, Rome has always played the chameleon. I do think the PBS documentary at least pulls the curtain away to expose how they operate; obfuscate, ignore, deny, cover-up, pay-off (for silence), etc. Rome is well known to have zero cooperation with policing authorities (the benefit of being an independent “state”) and typically, they hide behind statutes of limitations as an excuse to NOT do what is right. I don't see any sign that Rome is suddenly going to "reform" from its evil ways, primarily because a "leopard cannot change its spots."
The bottom line is, in my opinion, the RCC is one huge, very powerful, sophisticated, money making religious con game. After being financially & politically rescued in 1923 by the Fascist government of Benito Mussolini, the Vatican has no intention to reverse what that accomplished for them. Rome will do everything it can in order maintain its lofty, worldly position, and in order to accomplish that, it must continue to create the illusion that it is something other than what it actually is. True "reform" really isn’t possible, because true reform would mean virtually the entire system would have to be cleansed and CHANGED in conformity to the Word of God. History is our witness; there is virtually no chance that is going to happen.
Marko, I am glad I am not your final judge either! You are yet another self-righteous and blind mouthpiece for Rome.
You should be ashamed of yourself!
Omots, Anon 9:39 here, I have just read your last post and am in a sense inagreement with you. That will not, however, detract from me exposing Rome here, however.
Yet on my assuming too much and your reiteration of individual Catholics, I believe you have assumed too much from my post as I clearly stated that as a former Roman Catholic I am against that institution yet fully aware there are real Christians in there who should come out of her!
On the point of being spiritually dead I point you to the story of the prodigal son who was declared dead yet now is alive. The prodigal son was obviously alive in a sense but not alive in God, he was no doubt influenced by demonic entities when he strayed into sin , yet was spiritually dead in that he was not with God until he repented. The same can be said of that spiritually dead institution, the Whore of Babylon, Rome!
Constance, this UK news report may be of interest to you.
"A Christian judge has been struck off after claiming during a BBC interview that adopted children were better off with a man and a woman as parents than with a gay couple.
Magistrate Richard Page, 68, was sacked after 15 years at Maidstone and Sevenoaks courts, in Kent, after objecting to a gay couple adopting a child live on air.
The Judiciary Conduct Investigations Office confirmed that the father-of-three has been removed from the magistracy as a district judge."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3485915/Christian-magistrate-sacked-claiming-adopted-children-better-man-woman-parents-gay-couple.html#ixzz42YRW5M5f
~ K ~
Dear Constance,
Again I ask your opinion as to where you see the New Age movement compared to when you did your yeoman's work researching and exposing it?
I see the New Age plan being implemented into every element of society
I see it has permeated it into business philosophy.
Reiki is running rampant in the medical community.
Churches have mainstreamed The gods of destiny, mammon, and mysticism.
Schools are teaching Mohammedanism and Yoga with no regard for the supposed separation of church and state.
Beside these, I would like to get your take on what has transpired with this New Age stuff since the 80's?
Anon. 5:30...
If you knew me well, you would know I am no mouthpiece for Rome.
I am certainly not blind to the atrocities the RCC has committed down through history. Nor am I blind to the atrocities committed by Protestants as well down through history. Both have great potential for future atrocities, most likely working in cahoots to bring about the greatest atrocities ever seen in the not-too-distant future.
I simply remain silent about them for the most part, because this isn't a blog about RCC or Protestantism, it is a blog about the New Age Movement. Yes, New Age ideas have and do influence Rome, but they also influence the empires of Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, and even Billy Graham. But there are also things that happen that aren't influenced by New Age "doctrine" at all, but are just the result of doctrinal error in general. That is what I believe is behind most of the split between the RCC and the Protestants. There are people in both camps that are truly on the same side - they belong to the Church of Jesus Christ - His Bride. There are also people in both camps that are actively working from within and without to destroy that same Bride.
It will take discernment in the days ahead to know who is who.
Marko,
You said "it will take discernment in the days ahead to know who is who."
What will your "discernment" be based upon?
Christ spoke specifically about two, distinct types of people in the following verse:
"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." John 8:47
There is the the one person that "is of God" and is known to be such because he bows (hears) to the authority (by faith) of God's Word (what He says). There is the other person that does NOT hear (does NOT believe to the point to alter one's opinion and actions) and is NOT of God.
There is only one means of "discernment" by which all things are to be judged, and that is God's Word.
Watch the video that is part of the news story re: Ted Cruz and his Pentecostal Pastor Father.
These people teach a false prosperity "gospel" along with false "dominion" theology. The pastor on this taped video talks about an "end times transfer of wealth" (that's a new one) that is going to be transferred "from the wicked" to the people (that he refers to as "kings") of his congregation, etc. The bottom line about these types of people is this: THEY LOVE MONEY, precisely why they respond to a false message such as this ... and the Bible tells us that the "love of money is the root of all evil."
We are truly living in an age of apostasy, where they are "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
http://eastorlandopost.com/ted-cruz-closet-pentecostal
Ted Cruz's father speaking in tongues at the church of false prophet, prosperity gospel, bow down to the pope Kenneth Copeland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0_KKg6Wh3Q
Anon 5:44,
RE your analogy of the Catholic Church being some sort of "prodigal son", I suppose one can always hope. While I would agree that there is always hope for an individual, there is little chance that such a corrupt and corrupting institution would ever repent, turn from it's wicked and worldly ways, and become a shining beacon of spiritual light for the world. The Catholic Church, it seems, has made it's choice, to promote a "World Political Authority" that will allow the global hierarchy to maintain/increase it's power and influence.
Re Ted Cruz's dominionist father, yes, very concerning. I wondered how long it would be before that info became political fodder. I would hope Ted, if he were to be elected POTUS, would be able to temper such influences by maintaining a firm grasp on reality.
I have my doubts and concerns about each of the candidates and believe that we will probably get the kind of governance this nation deserves. Regardless of who is elected, as for me and my house, we will continue to serve the Lord.
The Hindu Worshipping RC Cardinals (Christine would be proud!)
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com.es/2010/05/hinduism-and-roman-catholicism.html?m=1
RayB:
I agree with you that "There is only one means of "discernment" by which all things are to be judged, and that is God's Word."
Can you please explain, however, why there are so many different interpretations of God's Word, and how a person can know for sure which interpretation is the correct one?
I know the scriptures that say the ones of God will hear His voice. But so many of the different interpreters claim the same thing: "This is what God says". So there must be some other authority that works in concert with God's Word, to verify what is actually true, wouldn't you say?
Anonymous RayB said...
Watch the video that is part of the news story re: Ted Cruz and his Pentecostal Pastor Father.
There are many Christians in the 'domminion-ism' circles.
I came out of a satellite church of this group (not Copeland)
The rhetoric sounded good, yet the fruits of Kingdom expansion (in the Godly form) was never there. They had allot of programs that helped the poor, the unwed mothers, and even had block parties to evangelize some of the worst communities in the City.
There are good fruits in the form of souls coming to Christ. However, the overall return on investment (I know we are not to look at it in a business sense) would have greater yields if the focus returned to soul winning and cleaning fish.
Not all the dominion-ist churches have differing levels of engagement in the movement.
Some are ecstatically charismatic to the point of worshiping 'the experience' instead of their creator and are borderline mystic. Some have sound doctrine. Not all subscribe to the 7M (mountain) mandate. Most all focus on the business mountain, as that is where the money is?
I believe when a church has shifted or divided its focus from soul winning to something else as well, it is compromised. When a church comes to a certain scale/size it necessarily has to focus on the money. Unfortunately for the rich, they get a pass from the church. Their sin is overlooked.
The pixie-dust variety focus totally on experiential manifestations. A feel-good lot they are and some like Mark Chironna and Johnson have bought into 'Christianizing' New Age doctrine. (Syncretism)
Many people from all religious persuasions, including Catholic and her daughters, see or confuse Chrism or Charisma with Anointing. It is not! This is a major breach or deception in the church. When people lose the Holy Spirit, it turns naturally to the flesh or Charisma.
So Babylon is an equal opportunity persuasion among all churches! So the admonition come out of her is not only that of the Catholic but also that of the wayward daughters as well.
Marko, you sound like Caesar when he asked what is truth.
Very telling!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-anniversary-conservatives-idUSKCN0WD0TF
"Pope" Francis declares a One World Religion https://youtu.be/07dPzM5q43c
Marko said...
"RayB:
"I agree with you that "There is only one means of "discernment" by which all things are to be judged, and that is God's Word."
"Can you please explain, however, why there are so many different interpretations of God's Word, and how a person can know for sure which interpretation is the correct one?"
Marko,
Your question as to "so many different interpretations" on the surface seems to imply that God's Word is subject to ... "interpretations." In fact, it is not. I'll TRY to be as brief as I can.
Every single false doctrine has its roots planted firmly in the soil of "private interpretation" along with the practice of taking Scripture out of context (add to that the "traditions" that Rome falsely utilizes, along with the Sanhedrin of the Jews). True doctrine is established when God's Word is "interpreted" by USING OTHER Scriptures to verify and compound the doctrine being declared. For the opposite, here's an example of how false doctrine is typically established:
The Jehovah Witnesses quote various verses about Jesus Christ to prove (in their minds) that Jesus is merely "a" God, and not God Himself. They use verses, out of context, that refer to His humanity, and completely ignore the multitude of verses (in both the OT & NT) that clearly declare His eternal divinity. Now, how do we know that their proclamation of this false doctrine is in fact false? By what the Bible clearly declares in the MULTITUDE of verses that deal with this subject.
One can study a subject using a Strong's Concordance (by doing a word search) and reading every Bible passage in which that particular word is used. For example; if you wanted to study what the "fear of God" meant, you would read all the passages (there are hundreds) dealing with the "fear of God." Once can also utilize a Nave's Topical Bible which lists verses and passages in accordance with the subject you are studying ... all without comment. The only "comment" being utilized in Nave's is the Word of God, compounding over and over again the meaning as declared by numerous verses and passages in Scripture for that particular subject. THEN, there is simply reading (and believing) what God's Word is declaring, within the context in which it is written.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Pope" Francis declares a One World Religion https://youtu.be/07dPzM5q43c
7:00 PM
I've seen this before ... it is very revealing as to where Rome sees itself in the coming One World Religion and One World Government. I've said it before ... Rome is a very powerful political, religious, economic, geopolitical force, and it no doubt plans to be a major player in the scheme of things. At the root of the evil One World Religion is the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ and HIS WORD must be neutralized. He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE, no man comes unto the Father BUT BY HIM (John 14:6). The Pope in this video CLEARLY sides with the FALSE religions of the world that proclaim a FALSE WAY. This treachery should be no surprise ... and this denial of Christ as the ONLY WAY did not begin with Francis!
It's Pontus Pilate, 6:42 PM, in John 18:38, though I agree with your comment's point. Well said!
Ray B, it didn't begin with Francis, you're right: with regards to Rome, it has been around ever since Constantine and before. Any Pope, along with millions of Christians which have opposed that corrupt Institution have been brutally murdered, e.g, Clement V and John Paul I.
Dear Friends,
I just made a startling discovery that I think some of you may have been alerting me to -- I had projects going on my Google Chrome browser, so I tried to access this website, www.cumbey.blogspot.com from the new MICROSOFT EDGE browser. On that browser, I was unable to access my blogspot and something very different came up indeed. To access this blog, it is safer to stay with the Chrome browser. In fact, looking at this, perhaps the MICROSOFT CHROME BROWSER is not yet safe. I get warnings from Norton Security that EDGE is not yet a safe browser for its protection capacities.
TODAY the bulk of my program 3/4 will be about CLUB OF ROME newer developments. 1/4 of the program will be devoted to water issues that Ron Siegel wanted to share with us from a story he is developing for Detroit newspapers. He will be on from 10:30 to 11.
CONSTANCE
Anon. 5:55.....
When you say "Any Pope, along with millions of Christians which have opposed that corrupt Institution have been brutally murdered, e.g, Clement V and John Paul I", you are implying that the Popes mentioned were on the side of Jesus Christ, and paid with their lives. I think it's more than an implication; it's a fact. Not only were they within the RCC, they were at the very top! And yet they were true to Jesus.
That's my point, and the point of others here. You can be a Catholic, and serve the Lord Jesus Christ, and have major issues with your Church - the same as many Protestants who are serving the Lord have major issues with their churches and church leaders. It's what motivates Constance and others to expose the error within. Not everyone is led to leave their church. Some remain inside so as to rescue as many as they can from the rampant deception.
And hopefully I don't need to remind you that I'm not a Catholic, so that's not the motivation behind my comments. My motivation is to recognize my brothers and sisters wherever they are, and to encourage them to keep the faith, and remain true to Christ.
God will judge whether we belong to Him, or to the world. Those are the only two choices, and He is the only final judge. Jesus is our advocate before the Father, and if we serve Him as Lord and Savior, no matter how imperfect we are in our human ways, or how much me missed seeing some obvious things (we're kinda dumb, like sheep, yes?), we will be accepted into His Glory.
And just what was the point of comparing me to Pontius Pilate? We are all seeking Truth, and that quest doesn't ever end. You are on a dangerous path if you think you've discovered all the Truth there is to discover. Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ is the first and most important Truth to know, but the "working out of our salvation" is another one that God's Word spends a lot of time on. Faith and works go hand in hand. It's the ones who think they got their "get out of hell free" card by saying the sinner's prayer (or by being baptized as a baby), and then take no more care about their spiritual life, that are in that group of people who will be surprised (in a not good way) on the great day of judgment.
The point I was trying to make earlier was that the Holy Spirit helps interpret the Word, since they are in complete agreement. Would you agree that without the Holy Spirit's participation, the Word falls on the infertile soil of a hardened or worldly heart?
I just put it in using the Windows 10 "Ask me Anything" Cortana button and it came up from the BING search engine. Don't know exactly what is happening.
Constance
"Not everyone is led to leave their church. Some remain inside so as to rescue as many as they can from the rampant deception."
The Bible is clear that at some point the Lord will push the issue and we are told to come out from among them. The separation speaks volume to them left behind in these situations if it is said and done in love.
A daily devotional for today actually brings up this very issue......
"Then Peter began to say unto Him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed Thee… ."
Mark 10:28
Our Lord replies in effect, that abandonment is for Himself, and not for what the disciples themselves will get from it. Beware of an abandonment which has the commercial spirit in it - "I am going to give myself to God because I want to be delivered from sin, because I want to be made holy." All that is the result of being right with God, but that spirit is not of the essential nature of Christianity. Abandonment is not for anything at all. We have got so commercialized that we only go to God for something from Him, and not for Himself. It is like saying, "No, Lord, I don't want Thee, I want myself; but I want myself clean and fill ed with the Holy Ghost; I want to be put in Thy show room and be able to say - 'This is what God has done for me.'" If we only give up something to God because we want more back, there is nothing of the Holy Spirit in our abandonment; it is miserable commercial self-interest. That we gain heaven, that we are delivered from sin, that we are made useful to God - these things never enter as considerations into real abandonment, which is a personal sovereign preference for Jesus Christ Himself.
When we come up against the barriers of natural relationship, where is Jesus Christ? Most of us desert Him - "Yes, Lord, I did hear Thy call; but my mother is in the road, my wife, my self-interest, and I can go no further." "Then," Jesus says, "you cannot be My disciple."
The test of abandonment is always over the neck of natural devotion. Go over it, and God's own abandonment will embrace all those you had to hurt in abandoning. Beware of stopping short of abandonment to God. Most of us know abandonment in vision only.
My family is largely Catholic. Even the Jews in my family are Catholic. I can honestly say I have never met a Christian Catholic in my life. At least in the way of knowing Christ was central to salvation, and religion wasn't necessary.
When I have engaged Catholics in conversation about the the goodness of the Lord. When I was seeking common ground fellowship in the Spirit with Catholics, family, and non family alike, there was always a barrier that was perceived in my spirit toward this yoke of fellowship. I care about my family, and I care about how religion in general is Satan's dirty work. So I take the liberty of speaking out against religious enslavement, and for seeing captives set free!!!
A couple threads or so ago where Marko, worried about other posters eternal well being, gave his two cents on how we should prepare ourselves for communion. Then another poster commented on Markos "heaping helping of LUKEWARM". So I contemplated beyond a superficial leave, a deeper understanding of why LUKEWARM is so deeply repulsive to the Lord? The answer came quickly. Those who are LUKEWARM are very effective agents of Satan, whether or not they realize it or not. They in effect scramble clear perception, and are the leavening agents Satan sprinkles over creation to blind and confuse people from 'seeing the true light of the gosphel'.
So perhaps Marko, consider this when you prepare your own heart before receiving communion!
It's well past time to come out of religious, social political, etc. Babylon, as we are now seeing this world nearing great tribulation.
It's time to stop being a compromiser, and a trouble maker!
That's why the Lord will spew the lukewarm out of His mouth. They are not truly for Him.
RayB said:
"True doctrine is established when God's Word is "interpreted" by USING OTHER Scriptures to verify and compound the doctrine being declared."
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Really?
The Bible doesn't teach that. Where does the Bible teach that the Bible interprets itself? And which "other Scriptures" are being referred to?
The Hebrew Bible put together at Jamnia by a small group of rabidly anti-Christian rabbis?
What authority did these rabbis have to "revise," "mistranslate" and "reinterpret" the Sacred Scriptures other than the "authority" they conferred upon themselves? Apparently the Ethiopian Jews didn't get notice of their "new and improved Judaism" because they still use the Septuagint to this very day.
In 66AD the Roman occupied province of Judea rose up against the power of its Roman oppressors. The Roman Empire responded with characteristic ferocity. In 70AD the Roman army conquered Jerusalem and set fire to the Holy Temple, which was utterly destroyed.
Before the revolt thousands of Jews had converted to Christianity and during the revolt more than a million Jews had been killed by the Romans, with most of the survivors sold into slavery. The Jewish Rabbis were desperate to save their Old Covenant faith but with the death of almost all the priestly families and the destruction of the Temple - the only place where sacrifice to Yahweh could be offered - they would have to re-invent the Jewish faith. They did this not only with a view to undermining Christianity, but also with a view to appeasing the pagan Emperor Vespasian by eliminatint the books that gave an account of the Maccabean War of Independence against Antiochus IV Epiphanes who was a client of
Rome. It was at Emperor Vespasian's pleasure that they were even allowed to gather and settle in Jamnia.
Jochanan ben Zakkai was among the surviving Jewish scholars who settled in the village of Jamnia with other scholars, rabbis and scribes. These rabbis were determined to fight Christianity and to preserve the “sacred trust”, AS THEY UNDERSTOOD IT.
They needed to develop a new form of Judaism that would unite all Jews - at least until the Temple could be rebuilt - and to somehow undercut the Christian claims of the divinity of Jesus and His identity as the long awaited Messiah.
During this time the rabbis responded to the Christian use of the prophetic passages in the Septuagint to prove Jesus was indeed the Messiah by assembling a completely new Greek version of Jewish scripture.
The reinterpretation and reinventing of Judaism at Jamnia at the close of the first century AD was heavily influenced by rabbis who were particularly zealous enemies of Christianity (Acts 5:17-19). By this time the Greek translation known as the Septuagint had become an anathema to them because it was being successfully used by Christians to proselytize Jews.
In order to undermine the Christian claim that Jesus was the Messiah they rewrote the prophetic texts that Christians used as proof of the Messiahship and divinity of Christ. One of them for example, a scholar named Aquila, removed the word parthenos = virgin from Isaiah 7:14 and rewrote the passage as neanis = young woman, so that the passage now read “…a young woman shall conceive” instead of “the virgin shall conceive.” This deception allowed them to assert that the prophecy didn’t match what the Christians were teaching ABOUT THE VERY NATURE OF CHRIST.
So what was that again about "true doctrine being established when God's Word is "interpreted" by USING OTHER Scriptures to verify and compound the doctrine being declared?????"
Anon. at 5:55 AM said
Ray B, it didn't begin with Francis, you're right: with regards to Rome, it has been around ever since Constantine and before.
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Actually Protestantism - or rather its Bible - has been a lot more influenced by a pagan Roman Emperor than Roman Catholicism insofar as it relies on the "new and improved" ( revised ) Hebrew Bible which was put together by anti-Christian rabbis who functioned at the pleasure of the pagan Roman Emperor Vespasian.
Aquila of Sinope translated it into Greek and tried to pass it off as the Septuagint in the remaining synagogues. Aquila is said to have been a pagan who converted first to Christianity and then apostatized and converted to Judaism.
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Aquila - "Translator of the canonical Scriptures from Hebrew into Greek. He was by birth a Gentile from Pontus, and is said by Epiphanius to have been a connection by marriage of the emperor Hadrian and to have been appointed by him about the year 128 to an office concerned with the rebuilding of Jerusalem as "Ælia Capitolina." At some unknown age he joined the Christians, but afterward left them and became a proselyte to Judaism. According to Jerome he was a disciple of Rabbi Akiba. The Talmud states that he finished his translations under the influence of R. Akiba and that his other teachers were Eliezer ben Hyrcanus and Joshua ben Hananiah. It is certain, however, that Aquila's translation had appeared before the publication of Irenæus' "Adversus Hæreses"; i.e., before 177."
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1674-aquila-akvlac-foreignchars-v02p034001-jpg-foreignchars
Scripture bears witness to scripture is entirely right.
Why do you think Jesus referred to the Old Testament so often when he spoke? He was letting the scripture speak and his very presence and what he taught and fulfilled, expounded and developed it, furthered by the Spirit writing through those who penned the New Testament.
And why do you think Apostle Paul wrote that he spent 3 years in Damascus to basically unlearn and relearn from the scriptures to see the fullness in the Lord Jesus Christ whom he met on the Damascus road and was converted?
Would think you would know that RayB.
Ray B is the one showing Scripture supports Scripture , as you have shown yourself, Anon 12:17, it is some Sanhedrin -Pharasaic Roman Catholic no doubt that is trying to trip him up on it, albeit unsuccessfully so by that serpent hissing merchant of Rome.
While Jesus did indeed quote the SEPTUAGINT Old Testament, He never said that Scripture alone interprets Scripture. It wasn't the Old Testament Scriptures that taught Peter to say "Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God." Matt. 6:16 It was the Father.
As for Paul, he also paid a visit to the Apostles - notably Peter - in order to have his revelation of Christ authenticated.
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Acts 9: 26-30 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to
the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
27. But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them
how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had
preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
28. And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.
29. And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the
Grecians: but they went about to slay him.
30. Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent
him forth to Tarsus.
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After spending some time with the disciples of Christ in Damascus, God called Paul to Arabia where he spent at least two years or more in the desert. It is believed that this is where Paul had visions much like the vision St. John writes about in his book of Revelation. The Lord prepared Paul to teach the Gospel, and when Paul returned from the desert, after a short stay in Damascus, he went directly to Jerusalem where he met with Peter and some of the other Apostles, to receive Peter’s blessing before he started on his ministry.
Anon 12:35 P.M.
Re: Ray B is the one showing Scripture supports Scripture , as you have shown yourself, Anon 12:17,
Ray has shown no such thing. He has merely declared it to be so without sound logical proof......as he usually does. No one needs to "trip up" Ray. He does it all for us.
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.......it is some Sanhedrin Sanhedrin -Pharasaic Roman Catholic no doubt that is trying to trip him up on it, albeit unsuccessfully so by that serpent hissing merchant of Rome.
When a person stoops to ignorant ad hominem attacks, all it "proves" is that the person making such comments has failed to make his case.
Buh-bye!
Anonymous 12:42PM
Scripture shows ample evidence that Paul readily submitted to the authority of Peter’s office. For example, consider Galatians 2, which took place about 17 years into Paul’s missionary ministry after his conversion (cf. Gal 1:18, 2:1): "I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. I went up by revelation; and I laid before them (but privately before those who were of repute) the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, lest somehow I should be running or had run in vain" (Gal 2:1-2).
This passage indicates that Paul wanted to be certain that his own teaching was in conformity with the teaching of Peter and the apostles. Indeed, although Paul considered himself an apostle, he considered himself least among them: "Last of all, as to one untimely born, (Jesus) appeared also to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God" (1 Cor 15:8-9).
Anon 12:54 PM, tell that to Jesus who called people like you vipers!
Bye!
12:54 P.M.
If you could rightly discern Galatians 2, you would realize you have been decieved by your vain religion.
2:26 PM, 3:34 PM
Again, your ad hominem attacks simply demonstrate that you have failed to make your case for the so-called "Christianity" you claim to profess.
We Catholics, on the other hand, don't have to say a word to make you look bad. You have done it all for us........ And have made a fine job of it too!
Anonymous Anonymous said... 1141
RayB said:
"True doctrine is established when God's Word is "interpreted" by USING OTHER Scriptures to verify and compound the doctrine being declared." Really?
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It is everywhere. The Bible supports itself, interprets itself. Declares the End from the Beginning. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth.
Yes Really! Read the Word!
Mat 1:18-25 .....fulfilled which was spoken the prophet - Christ's birth
Mat 2:13-15 ..... which was spoken by the prophet - Jesus called out of Egypt
Mat 2:23 ..... which was spoken by the prophet - he shall be called a Nazarene
Mat 3:3 ......spoken of by the prophet Esaias - the voice of one crying in the wilderness
Mat 4:14-17 ......spoken of by the prophet Esaias - the people saw the light
Mat 8:17 .....spoken of by the prophet Esaias - Jesus took our infirmities and sickness
Mat 12:17 .....spoken of by the prophet Esaias - he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles
Mat 13-35 .....which was spoken by the prophet, -will utter secrets from the foundation of the world
Mat 21:4,5 ..... spoken by the prophet, saying, thy King cometh sitting on an ass
Mat 24:15 ....the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet....
Mat 27:9 ...spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver...
Mat 37:35 ....be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments...
Acts 2:16 .... which was spoken by the prophet Joel; I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh
Acts 3:21 Whom heaven must receive until..... spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets
Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel ..have spoken, ...foretold of these days.
Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Eschatology too!
It even speaks of those that would scoff at the word holding their own belief higher than the Word.
Acts 13:40,41 ...spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
Yes Really! Read the Word!
Constance & fellow bloggers,
With regards to the Brex-it, he's got quite a few good points here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-barack-obama-remain-campaign-brexit-europe-a6927731.html
Now Obama who is having trouble running his own country is going to go over to the older civilization and tell them how to govern. Europeans would call this arrogance and so do some of us Americans.
Obama must be afraid that Soros' plan to erase all borders is a complete failure. Already UK had the good sense not to take their stupid currency which is drowning in the debt of the PIGS ( Portugal, Italy Greece and Spain). Lets hope they have the good sense to pull out and prove that giving up national soveriegnty to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats is NEVER a good idea, but will UK have the political will to pull out? The migrant crisis is out of control, but I think that was the idea, to let it get out of control.
A Brex-it might give some ideas to the other nations who are less than enthralled with the bureaucrats in Brussels running their countries. The financial injustices foisted on Greece and other nations have left nations impoverished with skyrocketing unemployment. Goldman Sachs profited by pushing extraordinary debt on countries who cannot repay, to form the failed monetary union. EU is not for the benefit of the EU citizens. Even Germany who was the economic engine of EU has their banks facing defaults which could spread throughout EU and the rest of the world and make 2007-8 look like a joke.
Obama administration's Victoria Nuland has already said "f___Europe" as US policies messed up the Ukraine, installed our puppet and demanded that EU put sanctions on Russia, an important trading pattern for EU. I am sorry to say that our country has really made a mess with all of its military exploits in EU, Africa and Middle East and we are having a hard enough time in our own country. Obviously the committed globalists in these countries, seem happy to go participate in his insanity, though there have been tensions.
On a slightly different not, but not unrelated:
Donald Trump is not politically correct in his manner, and I'm not sure if his presence in the race is a distraction or if he is a genuine candidate. His poll numbers and wins thus far would suggest he is for real. I have many issues with him and our political campaigns in general, but he is speaking some important truth and sometimes just common sense. In the 2008 crisis he said we should have let the banks fail. That's how you wash bad debt out of the system. I agree. Instead the banks were encouraged to do the same stupid things that didn't work over and over again at our expense. Now his rallies are being targeted by Soros and Co. organization MoveOn.org.
We are being told that the RNC doesn't want him, and the more he is not wanted the more popular he seems to get. He is being painted a monster by the mainstream press, but seems to be the teflon man that nothing can stick to, no matter how outrageous he is. It's a very odd paradox. If he says to abolish the Fed and reinstitute Glass Steagall, then you will know he's serious about reform. He and every other politician know that the absence of change on these two items is the source of most of our economic problems. The international bankers are really calling the shots, not our politicians. The power to print money at will is how they accomplish this. This must stop if we are ever to see meaningful change.
The Europeans appear to hate Donald, and so does China, but Putin seems to have taken to him. There is some mutual manly respect. Our nation has been feminized, including the military, even though they are sent off to fight endless wars that we never win.
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We have come to recognize that the Hegelian dialectic is always in play as the plan to implement the new order of the ages is pushed on us. The question is who are the real players and who are the plants who are being used in this scenario. Can someone be a player in national elections if you are not part of the game? My suspicion is no in spite of appearances, but the jury is still out on this.
The insiders are masters of manipulating public opinion and using social engineering to bring about change, so keep your eyes open and try not to get sucked in. Our emotions are being played like a fiddle while the world is really on fire. There is only one who can solve this mess, and he will come back one of these days soon, so keep the faith on the one above, but not in politicians. Will God allow us to be ruled by these beast system? According to the prophet Daniel and the apostle John, it appears he will for a short time but, his kingdom is an eternal kingdom and he is coming back to judge the gods of this world. In the end he wins, just like when Jesus was going to the cross it looked like defeat, but he disarmed the rulers and authorities by what appeared to be defeat. Remember who is behind all this evil. It is Satan himself so take comfort, Jesus has overcome the world.
7:06 PM, you claim Ray B. has done no such thing, and by claiming such falsehood you are either suffering from cognitive dissonance brought on by being soaked in the Harlot's (Roman - nothing Catholic about it at all - supposed Catholicism) spell or you are knowingly downright lying. You also attempt to make the Word of God of no effect through your vain traditions of men!
An ad-hominem attack is a BASELESS attack on the person whilst ignoring the facts of a matter at hand, this is what you have done to Ray B. I, on the other hand, acknowledged and defended such facts that Holy Scripture supports Holy Scripture and that is how Christianity works in interpreting Scripture, as others have demonstrated here too. We are to be as the Berean Greeks (note, they were not told to seek after man-made and vain traditions such as those of Rome) and search the Holy Scriptures to see if a matter is correct.
Well did our Lord and Saviour speak of proud and blind followers of vain man-made traditions such as yourself when he called such men, of their father the Devil and vipers!
If you're looking for someone disseminating baseless attacks on the person without addressing the argument at hand then go and look in the mirror and you will find that person, for the only one really making such ad-hominem attacks here is you, you child of Babylon!
sputniknews.com/latam/20160312/1036173443/mexico-exorcism-crime.html
If RCC wasn't a pantheistic cult that has mixed with paganism for centuries, Mexico wouldn't be the hell hole it is today!
Just another nice side business for Rome! Keep us posted on how the nationwide exorcism goes?
I have lived in Phoenix Arizona since the early 70s. It would be a lot easier to count the younger Mexicans, and central Americans there who do not have tattoos of Mary, and other various saints on their bodies. Their vehicles often have huge decals of Mary on the rear window, not to mention the Mary t shirts, and statues of various saints glued to the dashboard. They pray to them for protection. They make offerings to them. Especially those in gangs, selling drugs, and beating, and murdering rival gang members etc. As if Mary and the saints would answer thir prayers and protect them, and prosper them in their evil doings.
Yes, there are many humble Catholics who want no part of this demonic side of their culture. It is however, in general, the Catholic religions fault for not offering the gosphel to these people, and rather offering them a false message instead.
Anonymous said @ 1:00 PM:
"Scripture shows ample evidence that Paul readily submitted to the authority of Peter’s office. For example, consider Galatians 2, which took place about 17 years into Paul’s missionary ministry after his conversion (cf. Gal 1:18, 2:1): "I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. I went up by revelation; and I laid before them (but privately before those who were of repute) the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, lest somehow I should be running or had run in vain" (Gal 2:1-2)."
Anonymous:
You make the assertion that "scripture shows ample evidence that Paul ... submitted to the authority of Peter's office." Scripture shows the exact opposite. You quote from Galatians 2:1-2, but somehow, you neglected to continue to read and quote from that chapter of Galatians. Had you read a little further, you would see that PAUL rebuked PETER in verse 11: "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I WITHSTOOD HIM THE FACE, BECAUSE HE WAS TO BE BLAMED." Even for the traditional method of Catholic "interpretation" of scripture, this one would be a little difficult to maintain that Peter was somehow the head of the Apostles!
Anonymous said @ 1:00 PM:
"This passage indicates that Paul wanted to be certain that his own teaching was in conformity with the teaching of Peter and the apostles. Indeed, although Paul considered himself an apostle ..."
The passage upon which you base your assertion of Paul's submission to Peter is laughable. How anyone can "read into" Paul's submission to Peter using that scripture is beyond me.
Furthermore, you lamely state that "Paul considered himself to be an apostle ..." Really? Is that what Paul "considered" himself? I think I'll rest with what Scripture states itself, inspired by the Holy Spirit, written by Paul: "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" Paul was APPOINTED BY GOD to be an apostle, and did not serve in that capacity due to ANY man ... including Rome's invention and fictional "pope" Peter.
I neglected in my previous post to give the scripture reference for this verse ... it is Galatians 1:1
"Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)"
In I Corinthians 1:1 Paul states: "Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God ..."
Again, in II Corinthians 1:1: "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God ..."
Do you see anywhere in Scripture that Paul was subservient to Peter? The clear answer is NO! He was answerable only to the One that called, chose and appointed him to be an Apostle.
Kind of an interesting fact that Roman Catholics never talk about. They make the bogus claim that Paul was submissive to Peter, and that Peter was clearly the lead Apostle. Yet, if Peter was what the Catholics claim him to be, why is it that Paul authored 13 epistles, and Peter only TWO?
Interesting too is the fact that in the two epistles (I & II Peter) that Peter authored, none of the following "doctrines and dogmas" are even mentioned ONCE:
The office of the pope.
The Rosary.
Praying to Saints (dead or alive).
Praying to Mary.
The Immaculate Conception of Mary.
The Assumption of Mary bodily into heaven.
Mary's continual "sinless state."
Mary sitting next to the Lord Jesus Christ on the Throne of God.
The "eucharist."
The office of the priest.
Confessions to a priest.
(continued)
Purgatory (a place of torment to pay for remaining Venial sins).
Penance for sins.
Indulgences.
Infallibility of the "pope."
Attending Mass (to miss is a "Mortal" sin ...)
Baptismal Regeneration.
Baptizing Babies.
Morphing in and out of a "state of grace."
Celibacy.
Making images.
Collecting of relics.
Etc., etc., etc.
You get the picture. Peter wrote of NONE of these things. Yet, they claim he was the FIRST Roman Catholic! Obviously, Rome's "Peter" is just another of Rome's many inventions.
"If RCC wasn't a pantheistic cult that has mixed with paganism for centuries, Mexico wouldn't be the hell hole it is today!"
Nonsense, 11.10am, Roman Catholic doctrine is entirely Trinitarian. The problem is that the RCC is willing to turn a blind eye what converts get up to with pagan gods provided that they show up for the Eucharist on Sunday, and for the sake of numbers not challenge them. That's not good but it's not what you are grumbling about.
A. Prot
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Jesuits_controlled_Hippie_movement_McSorley
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-3485947/Beatles-producer-George-Martin-known-fifth-Beatle-argues-Event-s-music-critic-Tim-Lisle-Beatle-man-band-truly-fab.html
It was Apostle Paul, who knew Who called him and what was his calling from God, that was the one who went to Rome (and died there).
Peter was not the one who went to Rome, much less became pope.
The subjective "filling in the blanks" to build doctrine for a religious traditions and hierarchies (making a vain show in the flesh) is not of God. Paul nor Peter, neither one sought for, or gained preeminience. Their individual ministries were equal before God. God is not a respecter of persons. Why would the Lord set up ministry to be other than that? The servant is not greater than his Lord--they knew this! They were both humbled, humble men of God.
It was the false teachers in the pride who did that and both apostles warned of such.
Scripture interprets scripture and does not need anyone to fill in blanks. It can easily take care of itself.
That the Scripture interprets itself is a Protestant fallacy. It is a fundamental element of Sola Scriptura.
Scripture doesn't interpret itself if Scripture is to be believed:
2 Peter 3:15-17 -- "There are some things in [Paul's letters] hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability."
If the Bible interprets itself, where in the Bible does it say so?
If scripture interpreted itself, everyone who reads it would come to the same conclusion about what it means. Instead, we have thousands of answers to the same questions from thousands of denominations. Thousands of conflicting denominations demonstrate the Bible does not interpret itself.
It is therefore surprising that some people still believe in this mythical "clearness" without taking into account the continuous splintering we see in Protestantism today, which is an irrefutably logical consequence of this thinking.
Jesus didn't give the "keys to the kingdom" to a book. He gave them to Peter.
That the Bible interprets itself the most fascinating things I have ever heard.....especially in the context of also being told that Catholics have an erroneous Bible insofar as it has 72 books in it and the Lutheran Bible (?) has 66. By what authority do these Lutherans use only 66 books? Surely not Luther.
Where in the Bible am I informed as to which of the 66 or 72 are supposed to be in the Bible? Or do we not need an infallible authority (e.g. a church council) to establish an infallible authority (e.g. the Bible)? And why does the Bible not include one or more of the dozen of letters and writings from the early Apostles such as the Gospel According to Peter, The Epistle of Barnabas, or The Didicae? Who determined what was to be in the Bible and what was to be excluded?
If the Bible can interpret itself, then surely it can resolve it's own evolution.
And if the Bible can interpret itself, then why are their 20,000 + different Christian churches all claiming that the other church is misinterpreting the Bible?
Before the Protestant Reformation, the answer was very simple. In fact, the answer now is the same as it was for the first 1500 years. There is an authority that listens and obeys the Holy Spirit as prescribed by Christ.
The Bible is a book, an object. Objects don't have an intellect or will. Thus, the bible cannot interpret itself, and thus needs an interpreter with a intellect and will to divulge its pages. Yet the Bible has one voice: that of God and the men divinely inspired to write his pages. Catholics believed these writers passed on this teaching and this teaching is found in the Church. It's not simply "easy believism" as some call it, but preservation of the deposit of faith left by the Apostles.
Anonymous 6:39 P.M.
"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you." 1 Corinthians 11:2
Most Protestant Christians believe that the Bible is the only source concerning faith. According to them, there is no need for Apostolic Tradition or an authoritative, teaching Church. All that they need is the Bible in order to learn about the faith and to live a Christian life. The "Bible Alone" teaching can be appealing in its simplicity, but it suffers from fundamental problems. A few are considered here.
First the Bible itself states that not everything important to the Christian faith is recorded in it. For example, not everything that Christ did is recorded in the inspired Books:
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." (John 21:25; RSV)
According to John 20:31, some things have been recorded in the Gospel in order to come to know Christ; however, John 21:25 suggests that there is still more to know about Him. At least for St. John the Apostle, there was more that he needed to teach which was not recorded in the Bible:
"I had much to write you, but I would rather not write with pen and ink; I hope to see you soon, and we will talk together face to face." (3 John 13-14)
Also St. Paul instructs Timothy on how to orally pass on the teachings of the faith:
"...what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also." (2 Tim. 2:2)
St. Paul even commands (2 Thess. 3:6) the Thessalonian Christians to follow the oral Traditions of the Apostles:
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us (Apostles), either by word of mouth (oral) or by letter (Epistle)." (2 Thess. 2:15)
These commands promoting Oral Tradition would be quite strange, if only the Bible were needed to pass on the entire Christian faith.
A second problem with the "Bible Alone" teaching is canonicity - i.e. which Books belong in the Bible? It must be remembered that the Books of the Bible were written individually along with other religious books. Centuries later the Church compiled together the inspired Books under one cover to form the "Bible." A big question in the early Church was which books are the inspired written Word of God. (Inspired=written by men but authored by God; See Catechism of the Catholic Church 106.)
Scripture did not come with an "inspired" Table of Contents. Nowhere in the sacred texts are all the Books listed. There are some Books cited in the sacred writings but these lists are vague and incomplete (Acts 28:23; 2 Peter 3:16). There are also references to books not found in the Bible, such as St. Paul's Epistle to the Laodiceans (Col. 4:16). St. Paul even encourages the Colossians to read this epistle, but still it is not in the Bible. Jesus in the Gospel never attempts to list the "official" Books of the Old Testament (OT). This issue was hotly debated in His day. Today Protestant and Catholic Christians disagree over which Books belong in the OT. Catholics follow the list in the Septuagint (2nd century B.C. Greek translation of the Hebrew Scripture) while Protestants follow the list used by the anti-Christian Pharisees at Jamnia. A list from Jesus could have eliminated this problem, but no such list is found in the Gospel. As a result the Bible needs a visible authority outside of itself to list the inspired sacred Books. This authority must be guided by the Holy Spirit since these Books are from the Holy Spirit.
cont.
cont.
Some Christians claim that the Table of Contents in their Bible lists the inspired Books. Even though found in modern Bibles, the Table of Contents is still not inspired. It is not the Word of God but words added later by human editors, much similar to footnotes. The Table of Contents is basically the opinion of the publishing editor. Others may claim that the closing verses in the Book of Revelation, specifically Rev. 22:18-19, cap off the Bible and define all the preceding Books as inspired by God. But do these verses apply to the whole Bible or only the Book of Revelation? Another flaw with this idea is that not all Bibles have the same number of Books. As alluded to above, Catholic and Protestant Bibles contain different numbers of OT Books, yet all these Bibles close with the same verses: Rev. 22:18ff. Both cannot be right. Finally the Book of Deuteronomy contains similar verses (4:2 & 12:32). Does this imply that the Books after Deuteronomy are not inspired by God? No.
A third problem with the "Bible Alone" teaching is proper understanding of critical Bible passages. Most Protestant Christians promote personal interpretation of the Bible, i.e. anyone can interpret these passages by himself. Unfortunately this leads to chaos. For example over Baptism, some Protestants accept the validity of infant Baptism, while others do not. Some believe in the necessity of Baptism for salvation, citing Mark 16:16, while others disagree by citing John 3:16. They all claim to be Bible-based, but still they disagree over fundamental issues regarding salvation. Sadly the "Yellow Pages" phone directory is a witness to the many "Bible-Based" churches who disagree with each other over key issues of the Christian faith. Personal interpretation of the Bible naturally leads to a mire of human doctrines as a result of differing personal opinions.
The Bible was not written as a catechism. It is a collection of many different styles of writing - poetry, history, parables, letters, songs, etc. - requiring different ways of understanding. Sometimes Jesus in the Gospel purposely taught in figurative language and parables, which makes literal interpretation impossible. Even St. Peter admits that St. Paul's Epistles can be difficult to understand:
"...Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." (2 Peter 3:15-16)
Finally the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:30ff needed St. Philip to explain the Book of Isaiah. Obviously not everyone can understand the meaning of Scripture by simply reading it. More is required. These difficulties in the Bible demand an independent visible teaching authority that is guided by the Holy Spirit.......
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/apologetics/bible/do-christians-need-only-the-bible/
Cruz and Copeland (newer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3h-KfsD_iw
Copland and pontificus maximus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeytBEmYEoE
AS I HAVE BEEN POSTING the next POTUS will be Ted Cruz and he is just the same as the rest conspiring against God as usual--with Rome. Bets of which excuse Trump will use for exit?? Umm something like Perot's exit I am predicting or in the same vein possibly? Trump is a good dog he did his duty. So Cruze's daddy is calling for an end between Rome and state, I mean and end of separation of "church" and state, yeah that's how he put it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3h-KfsD_iw
Inquisition for everyone! I mean, uh, uh -- UN Agenda 21 save-the-planet, global warming --um uh climate change--uh uhm-- from zombies (believers in the resurrection of Jesus Christ) cause we have a shortage of supplies!! OH NO MR. BILL, the Nazis are coming and I hear the Roman army coming, don't you?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruz
The word "Cruz", as well as "Vera Cruz" ("True Cross") and "Santa Cruz" ("Holy Cross") are used as surnames and topological names. Its origin as a surname particularly flourished after the Alhambra Decree of 1492 and the increasing activities of the Spanish Inquisition, when New Christian families with Crypto-Jewish, Moorish, and/or mixed religious heritage converted to the state-enforced religion of Catholicism and subsequently fashioned and adopted surnames with unambiguous religious affiliation.
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Yup, got it.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/newsweek-writer-calls-ted-cruz-and-his-supporters-nazis-on-twitter/
7:03 PM
"...Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." (2 Peter 3:15-16)
The ten commandments are completely different in my copy of the Catholic Catechisms vs. my copy of the textus receptus, they do so twist the scriptures!
KJV Rev 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I am sorry for you, you have no credibility is the area of Biblical teaching and I am concerned for your salvation, come out of her so you won't be a partaker in her sins and iniquities.
"If the Bible can interpret itself, then surely it can resolve it's own evolution"
It saddens me to read your statement.
Because the bible already has resolved all of this by just being.
The word of God is living. The Spirit of God wrote it as it claims. 2 Peter 1:20-21
But to know that you would first have to know the Author......
It is truly miraculous. It would have to be, to survive what mere men have tried to do it in all the bad teaching by misusing and abusing it, by their adding to it or taking things away from it. But God has seen to it that it's message got out, and I am one changed inside to out by it's truth. That happened when the 'scales' fell off of my eyes and heart.
The humble and contrite don't struggle with the issue you bring up.
If you actually knew the Author and read it with his guidance, you would understand what is wrong with your statement.
Hare Krisha at the Vatican!
http://www.galatiansfour.blogspot.com.es/2016/03/hare-krishna-at-vatican.html?m=1
Satan's Masterpiece : The [Roman] Catholic Mass is Witchcraft!
I thought the title over the top until I read the text and saw the accompanying videos in this posted topic. As a former Roman Catholic I know that Institution to be false yet the more I learn of its reality, the more I see how wickedly corrupt it truly is!
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com.es/2012/01/satans-masterpiece-catholic-mass-is.html?m=1
They even keep dead men's bones ("relics") under the altars.
Matt. 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited supulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, BUT ARE WITHIN FULL OF DEAD [MEN'S] BONES, and of all uncleanness!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AacP_xH2aQI
20 brands of bottled water tested for pH
More evidence of mass murder? Acid water causes cancer.
"It saddens me to read your statement."
It saddens me even more to see the way you gloss over the abyss of self contradiction that is your rule of faith which is unbiblical.
If you actually knew the Author and read the Scriptures in and with the Church He established, you would understand what is wrong with YOUR statement.
Catholicism , Buddhism and the Dalai Lama
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com.es/2010/09/catholicism-buddhism-and-dalai-lama.html?m=1
Hinduism and Roman Catholicism
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com.es/2010/05/hinduism-and-roman-catholicism.html?m=1
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/dialogue-with-muslims-committee-statement.cfm
Dialogue with Muslims
Statement of the Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
The Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs (CEIA) receives its mandate to engage in dialogue with Muslims from the Second Vatican Council's (1962–1965) Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (Nostra Aetate [NA]). It states unequivocally that the Church urges its members to "enter with prudence and charity into discussion and collaboration with members of other religions" (NA, no. 2). With respect to Islam, the council fathers say that "the Church has also a high regard for the Muslims" and that despite centuries of conflict "the sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding" (NA, no. 3).
The declaration has been consistently upheld by recent popes. Pope John Paul II affirmed the need for dialogue with Muslims on numerous occasions throughout his long pontificate (1978–2005). For example, in Crossing the Threshold of Hope he remarked in the chapter entitled "Muhammad?" that "believers in Allah are particularly close to us" and that "the religiosity of Muslims deserves our respect" ([New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2005], 91, 93). The pope also reiterated the central mandate of Nostra Aetate by reminding the faithful that they are called to maintain "a dialogue with followers of the 'Prophet'" and that "the Church remains always open to dialogue and cooperation" (ibid., 93, 94).
(yeah really, really close said Alberto Rivera)
The Catholics teach and believe the same thing as the Mormons.
'As God once was; man is. As God is; man will one day be.'
The Hinn, Copeland, Myers, White, Dollar and others are preaching the little gods doctrine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iETg-9K51Wc …
They are just dramatizing the Catholic Catechism 460 god-man teaching?
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
http://scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a3p1.htm#I …
Interesting yes??
"The Catholics teach and believe the same thing as the Mormons."
Nonsense Dan, Catholics believe that Jesus is divine and Mormons don't. I'm a protestant, by the way.
Anonymous said... 1:06 PM
Nonsense Dan, Catholics believe that Jesus is divine and Mormons don't. I'm a protestant, by the way.
You are correct, but on this point, that man will become god they agree.
Dan at 1:13 PM, I agree with you on your connection between Roman Catholicism teaching here (which many Roman Catholics are sadly unaware of) and Mormonism.
However, without wishing to mount an ad-hominem attack which distracts from your valid point here, in view of Christine's assertions about you, I am deeply concerned about what your views on Jesus Christ's eternal existence and eternal Divinity are as well as to whether you believe in reincarnation as she has asserted about you.
1) Dan, do you accept Jesus Christ's Ever Eternal Existence as God and as Divine?
2) Do you believe in reincarnation?
We are Biblically taught to let our yeses be yeses and our no-s be no-s.
Please clarify.
Thank you.
It doesn't surprise me, 5:21 PM, all three are linked to the Jesuits!
Anonymous Anonymous said...4:42 PM
Dan at 1:13 PM, I agree with you on your connection between Roman Catholicism teaching here (which many Roman Catholics are sadly unaware of) and Mormonism.
However, without wishing to mount an ad-hominem attack which distracts from your valid point here,
Then send me your email address or contact me through my blog, and I will satisfy with the dialog you desire.
I will not rehash this on Constance's site.
Anon 8:49 P.M.
The author of the article posted at the Glatians 4 BlogSpot is seemingly a disgruntled ex Catholic whose knowledge of Catholic teaching is such that a first grade catechism student could put him/her to shame. Actually, it sounds more like a Protestant PRETENDING to be Catholic.
In any case, it has been my experience that ordinarily, when people leave the Catholic faith, it is seldom over problems they have about dogma. It is more often because they have a problem living up to the Church's teachings on morality....especially sexual morality. This is true of just about every single person I know who has left the Catholic faith.
In fact, there is an old Catholic aphorism to the effect that "Most heresy begins below the belt."
Dan , 6:27 PM, thank you for your reply. I will do.
6:52 PM
You are describing 'backslidden' Catholics. Not a former Catholic that comes to know Christ as their Savior and leaves Catholicism because they realize their former religion was phony.
"Church's teachings on morality" the official teachings do not match Biblical teachings nor are they followed by the clergy, and that is usually why people leave or they get tired of being charged out the azz while their kids get abused.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/14/unprecedented-un-global-data-gathering-to-add-huge-amounts-information-for-governments-to-collect.html
well....maybe they want to know exactly where to spray the chem trails ???
Vatican priest claims emotional blackmail behind leaks
AFP By Jean-Louis De La Vaissiere
3 hours ago
google that one
Anonymous Anonymous said... 9:07 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/14/unprecedented-un-global-data-gathering-to-add-huge-amounts-information-for-governments-to-collect.html
The Globalization of Orwell 1984??
Thanks for the link!
7:03 PM
Passing on what the Bible says, does not mean adding to it. Jesus on the road to Emmaus opened up the eyes of his disciples after the resurrection teaching them all that the Scriptures said about him. Those given the responsibility to teach were faithful to the text. The apostles were eye witnesses who received the Spirit of God after the resurrection:
2Pe 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son,i with whom I am well pleased,” 18we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
The New Testament explains how Jesus was taught from Genesis. Teaching these truths and making disciples is the responsibility of all who believe in the Bible, but not adding our own words or traditions to the inspired truth.
The problem with religion is man. Man gets in there and distorts the truth of what God gave us. All the ceremony and ritual associated with man made religion may give the appearance of piety, but when we look at Jesus life he didn't try to control people. He just was all the fullness of deity in bodily form and his power was evident.
Jesus didn't set up a bunch of institutions with lots of riches. He simply said to his disciples to go and make other disciples. He empowered them to obey the teachings of the Torah in Spirit and in Truth, but more importantly he save them from their sins because all of us have sinned and the penalty for sin is death.
He took that penalty in our place and overcame sin and death and because he did that for us, through his living Spirit we no longer live, when we accept him. He lives in us and we have the power to walk in obedience to him and though one day our perishable bodies die, we have the absolute promise of eternal life. Because he was raised from the dead, we know that we will be too, unless he comes back while we are alive in which case as Paul says, in the twinkling of and eye we will be given our resurrection bodies, which will be exactly like his body after the resurrection, perfect and imperishable.
Why would anyone want to complicate such a hopeful, wonderful message?
The other problem with man made religion is it does not help to control human lusts. Rules, on the contrary create temptations. Only a relationship with the living God who empowers us can keep us from this weakness, but we need not add rules about abstaining from marriage that God never made.
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-priest-claims-emotional-blackmail-behind-leaks-211545837.html;_ylt=AwrXnCUjRedWnGwAiu_QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBzdmVvZmlwBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxMAR2dGlkAwRzZWMDc3I-
The absence of marriage in the Catholic clergy is a huge problem, which results in a lot of sexual sin, including pedophilia and things mentioned in the article above. The Bible never forbids marriage, on the contrary marriage is one of the first things the Bible shows us when Adam receives his helper.
Great comebacks 1:13 AM and 1:30 AM.
On point and enough said.
Any rebuttal to what you said is just man-centered religion still trying to take the preeminience from the LORD and His authority.
Genesis to Revelation it's God's book and all we are to do is obey it.
The secret things belong to the Lord, but those things revealed belong to us (Deut 29:29)---to listen, humbly receive by faith, and follow and do in the strength and Spirit of the Lord.
"The other problem with man made religion is it does not help to control human lusts..."
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That is true. Luther's man made religion didn't help him control his human lusts.....neither his own sexual lust ( i.e. he violated his own vow of celibacy and married a nun ) nor his lust for power.
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"...The absence of marriage in the Catholic clergy is a huge problem, which results in a lot of sexual sin, including pedophilia and things mentioned in the article above."
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The Catholic Church not only does not have a monopoly on pedophilia among certain members of her clergy but marriage has also never been proven to be a guarantee against this perversion - any more than marriage is a guarantee against homosexuality.
Yet certain Protestants continue to take cheap shots and throw stones at the Catholic Church while failing to acknowledge that they reportedly have an even bigger pedophilia problem among their own clergy.
https://www.nolanchart.com/article6740-pedophilia-only-a-catholic-sin-html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/1959011/posts
http://www.redstate.com/diary/roetenks/2009/08/14/pedophilia-only-a-catholic-sin/
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By the way, no one holds a gun to anyone's head in order to force him to enter the Catholic priesthood any more than anyone holds a gun to anyone's head in order to force him to become a Protestant pastor.
No one held a gun to Luther's head either. The only "gun" held to Martin Luther's head was the rash promise he made in order to save his own hide.
cont.
cont.
As Martin Luther himself admitted, the real reason why he originally entered a monastery and became a monk was because during a violent storm near Erfurt, he made a rash promise to St. Ann that if God spared his life through her intercession, he would become a monk. In our own time, I can tell you that any Catholic vocations director worth his salt upon hearing Luther's lightning tale would have immediately dispensed Luther from his rash promise and sent him packing in recognition that Luther's so-called "vocation" was nothing more than an irrational instance of servile fear.
Luther's father certainly didn't want his son to enter the priesthood. He wanted Luther to become a lawyer and Luther was actually studying the law at the University of Erfurt when the lightning incident occurred.
While some members of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church were not exactly paragons of virtue and gave great scandal in the time just preceding the Reformation, Martin Luther "took scandal" and evilly used the wrongdoing of others as an excuse to break from the Church founded by Jesus and start his own to replace it.
In fact, it was Luther, along with the other reformers, ( not the Bible ) who originated the "5 solae" - 5 doctrines which were totally anti-Catholic, anti-biblical and anti-Christ.
While many of Luther's 95 Theses were legitimate concerns that did indeed need reforming, Luther did not limit himself to these legitimate concerns. If he had, he could have wound up being heralded as a saintly reformer. But in his lust-fueled arrogance, Luther proceeded to "reform" the wrong things while failing to "reform" himself.
What takes the cake is that after bloviating about papal politics and how the papacy was trying to control secular authority throughout the world - things he believed to be actions of the "Antichrist" - Luther didn't hesitate to hypocritically ally himself with the German princes who were only too glad of an opportunity to seize the property that belonged to the Church in their kingdoms.
So if we are going to talk about "man made religions............."
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Celibacy of the Catholic clergy is not a Catholic dogma. It is a Catholic discipline which is capable of being changed. In Eastern Orthodoxy, bishops and monastics are celibate. However, candidates for the priesthood and diaconate are allowed to marry if they do so before ordination.
Actually, there are married priests in the Catholic Church right now on account of a dispensation given to Anglican and Orthodox clergy who become Catholic and wish to enter the Catholic priesthood.
I have had personal experience of former Episcopalian priests who were married and functioned as priests in the Catholic Church after their conversion to Roman Catholicism and found them to be very good and faithful priests as well as good husbands and fathers. As a Catholic, I would personally have no problem if the Church were to change her celibacy requirement for priests.
All you are doing, 11:49 Am, is presenting catholic "hoops" for people to jump through to conform to a man-centered version of Scripture, that plays out a demonstration of "faith" that ends up denying the very authority of God, to hand it instead to men to hold over the heads of other men. A faith placed in faith itself, faith placed in men. That is counter to what the Bible teaches, while using it's words selectively and subjectively.
Catholic doctrines/teachings produce very tortured answers/solutions to what the Bible keeps simple.
No thanks.
All you are doing 12:26 PM is glossing over and denying whatever FACTS - including HISTORICAL FACTS - that don't happen to square with your own manmade, man centered, Vespasian approved version of the Scriptures that was invented at Jamnia by anti-Christian Jewish rabbis and peddled about fifteen centuries later by Martin Luther.....who, by the way, was one of several CATHOLIC heretics and apostate "reformers" who could and should have known better, but allowed their own lust for sex, power and wealth to outrun their scruples to the detriment of the whole world. They were the ones who denied the very authority of God by tinkering with the Scriptures.
It is you and your fellow Protestants who have placed your faith in men instead of Jesus Christ and this can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt by the very fact that the Bible - the Word of God - does not teach "sola Scriptura," or private interpretation" or the idea that the Bible "interprets itself," etc.
Therefore, it is not surprising that whenever you are unable to make the case for your own manmade belief system and/or to back up your anti-Catholic assertions ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN RULE OF FAITH, (not mine) you start with your amorphous clear-as-mud vagueries and groundless assumptions larded with misinterpreted prooftexts from the Bible about what you erroneously THINK Catholics believe and ignorantly trot out the well worn ad hominem attacks and sex abuse scandals as if Protestants have from the get-go been "without sin" and are therefore entitled to cast the first stone.
Don't get me wrong. If you are content with your belief system, wonderful!
Knock yourself out. But when you and your fellow bigots come on this blog and gratuitously start attacking others whose Christian beliefs do not happen to agree with yours, then you are the ones who have wandered off the Christian reservation by using and abusing the Bible in order to justify your bigotry and its accompanying hate speech.
If you honestly think you are going to convince people that your version of Christianity is the real deal with that kind of "evangelization strategy," then your mother must have dropped you on your head when you were little.
Ditto on the "no thanks!"
How the EU uses 'diplomatic immunity' to grab Israeli land
EU deliberately funds illegal building to 'pave the way' for Palestinians taking Israeli land, claims immunity when challenged in court.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/209414#.Vuhqg8HD-Um
I am so thankful that the faith like that of a child is enough for Jesus. When you read Luke 18:15-17 you can see how He kept it simple about loving and trusting God.
Just faith in the Right Person. Children can grasp this. Following because you just love Him for forgiving you, when your heart and mind were ready to agree with God about sin because His Spirit convicted you, not because somebody made you come to Him their way......making you jump through their hoops to get to Him. That method is found just as readily in some Protestant circles, too.
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for this very thing. They stood in the way, to keep people coming to them rather than to the Lord.
"Good" people don't go to heaven, forgiven people do.
That isn't a private interpretation. That is just the facts, real simple, just as the Lord teaches us.
'certain Protestants continue to take cheap shots and throw stones at the Catholic Church while failing to acknowledge that they reportedly have an even bigger pedophilia problem among their own clergy.'
The proportion of Catholic priests who are pedophiles is very small, although whether it is smaller than the proportion in the general population is an interesting question given that the RCC claims to have the moral leadership of the world. (Anybody know?) But the proportion of Catholic bishops who covered it up, in dioceses where it is known to have taken place, is 100%.
'All you are doing 12:26 PM is glossing over and denying whatever FACTS - including HISTORICAL FACTS - that don't happen to square with your own manmade, man centered, Vespasian approved version of the Scriptures that was invented at Jamnia by anti-Christian Jewish rabbis and peddled about fifteen centuries later by Martin Luther'
The canon asserted by protestants was that established by St Jerome 11 centuries before Luther. As for the Council of Jamnia, how come it was never heard of before the late 19th century?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jamnia
1:38 who sounds like Susanna,
No one is asking anyone to change anything, but I think it is fairly evident that some of the man made traditions have not worked out very well. Ask some of the child victims. There is nothing more horrific that can happen in a child's life than to be violated. There is something even more evil when the perpetrator is protected and the victim does not receive justice. This problem in the Catholic Church is systemic.
If your okay with that, stay put, by all means.
Anonymous 8:01 P.M.
Re: "The canon asserted by protestants was that established by St Jerome 11 centuries before Luther. As for the Council of Jamnia, how come it was never heard of before the late 19th century?"
That is historically false. It is interesting how Catholics have been ridiculed here for using Wikipedia while it is apparently OK for Protestants to do so.
First of all, the canon was not "established" by St. Jerome. St. Jerome may have been a Church Father, but St. Jerome was not the Pope. The canon was established by the Church, and it was based on the Septuagint. Jerome merely TRANSLATED the Bible into Latin and in so doing, made use of all available texts as any good scholar/scribe would do. The canon of Scripture,
Old and New Testament, was finally settled at the Council of Rome in 382, under the authority of Pope Damasus I. It was soon reaffirmed on numerous occasions. The same canon was affirmed at the Council of Hippo in 393 and at the Council of Carthage in 397. In 405 Pope Innocent I reaffirmed the canon in a letter to Bishop Exuperius of Toulouse. Another council at Carthage, this one in the year 419, reaffirmed the canon of its predecessors and asked Pope Boniface to "confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church." All of these canons were identical to the modern Catholic Bible, and all of them included the deuterocanonicals ("Apocrypha").
What the Council of Trent did was to reaffirm, in the face of the new Protestant attack on Scripture, what had been the historic Bible of the Church — the standard edition of which was Jerome's own Vulgate, including the seven deuterocanonical books Protestants refer to as "Apocryphal"!
While Jerome has often been accused of questioning what Protestants refer to as the "Apocrypha," ("Deuterocanonical" to Catholics, in the face of these accusations by his peers, he clarified his position by explaining that in reality he was merely citing those HEBREWS who objected to the inclusion of the Deuterocanonicals/"Apocrypha" in the canon and wound up strenuously defending their status as inspired Scripture, writing:
"What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections THAT THE HEBREWS ARE WONT TO RAISE against the story of Susanna, the Son of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume (ie. canon), proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I wasn't relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us" (Against Rufinus 11:33 - A.D. 402)."
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cont.
cont.
In other words, it was not Jerome who was objecting to the "Apocryohal" texts, but the Hebrews he was citing. Thomas Aquinas does something similar in the Summa Theologica when he cites an erroneous opinion before replying to it. If a person is not familiar with the format of the Summa Theologica, he could easily mistake the erroneous view for that of St. Thomas.
The bottom line is that the Septuagint was the Old Testament canon in use in the days of Jesus and the one most often quoted by Jesus and the Apostles. As for the argument that "Jesus did not quote the Deuterocanonical (Apocryphal) books," it is to be noted that there are "Protocanonical" (Hebrew Canonical) books that Jesus didn't quote either. But that doesn't make THEM any less canonical. Not only that, but if the Septuagint were not the authentic Word of God, Jesus would have certainly indicated this.
At Jamnia, the same anti-Christian Jewish rabbis who convened AFTER the Jews and Christians had gone their separate ways, pronounced many other books to be unfit as scriptures - INCLUDING THE GOSPELS!!!
Oh....and these anti-Christian Jamnian rabbis are alluded to by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus ( Against Apion 1,8 ) and St. Irenaeus in Adversus Haereses (3.21.1).
Anonymous 12:55AM who sounds like RayB,
Re: " There is something even more evil when the perpetrator is protected and the victim does not receive justice. This problem in the Catholic Church is systemic."
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Oh. And you think the problem in Protestantism is NOT systemic? Or that using the state of matrimony as a "front for perversion" instead of a Roman collar necessarily precludes perversion among your own pastors and ministers?
Is THAT how you justify glossing over/sweeping horrific Protestant sex abuse scandals under the rug while throwing stones at the Catholic clergy??? As for "systemic," the Southern Baptist Convention with all its "Messianic" and other appendages looks pretty "systemic" to me. And that is just ONE denomination!
"1:38 who sounds like Susanna," ... "Anonymous 12:55AM who sounds like RayB," ...
Lol!
Not a bit of the arguments made over the past several days has convinced me of any error in saying that a person can belong to the Church of Jesus Christ, the Eternal Bride who will inherit the Kingdom alongside Christ, and ALSO belong to a Catholic church, a Baptist church, a home church, or be in a prison in some third-world Islamic or Communist country that Jesus Himself visited in a vision (or whatever you want to call it), inviting that person into fellowship with Him - without the benefit of a Bible, because the Living Word Himself was there!
Please save your arguments about who belongs and who doesn't for that great day of separation, and take up your case with the One doing the separating. See how far that goes.
If you have confessed your sins, trust in the work of Jesus on the cross by faith, and believe the creeds (which includes belief in the Bible as authoritative and true), then rejoice and stop picking on another brother or sister for something that in the end will probably not matter.
I used to say there are two highly-used "D" tools in the Devil's toolbox - distraction and deception. I'm adding a third - division.
Division and separation are real, and are a part of following God. But *that* kind of separation is separation from the world, from all that would hinder your walk with Him, and is painful but necessary. Unity is also one of the Devil's tools. "Being at one with the world is to be at enmity with God." (my paraphrase from memory) But being united with all who belong to Jesus, even if you disagree doctrinally, is a commandment, is it not?
But division among the members of His True Church (and only HE knows the complete membership roster!) is of the enemy. And while only He knows who belong to Him, because He looks at the heart, and we look on the outside, it will be important in the days ahead to have a decent amount of discernment about who belongs to Jesus and who doesn't.
He says "My sheep know my voice, and follow me. Another voice they will not follow." How do we learn to know His voice then? The Word, the witness of the Holy Spirit, and the experiences and wisdom of the saints who have passed before, and THEIR witness to the truth or falsehood of various things, and to the Faith as it has been lived out in their lives as an example to us all. (The great "cloud of witnesses" spoken of in the Bible.)
So, no, it's not Sola Scriptura. It's Scripture, the Holy Spirit, and the great cloud of witnesses that have gone before. All of those (and other things, other people), keep us on the narrow path to our salvation, which we are to work out with fear and trembling, looking to the Author and Finisher of our salvation for help and guidance and the sealing of the deal. That "sealing" is the working of the Holy Spirit, yes? Not the work of the Word, although it had to begin there.
As an aside: Unforgiveness is a deal-breaker. I think some of the scariest verses in all of scripture are these:
"But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses." -- Mark 11:26
I see so many people unwilling to forgive others for some offense. God takes that pretty seriously. I wouldn't want to bet my eternal soul on the idea that He was using hyperbole to make a point.
We're here to tell the truth, Marko. Just because you are not convinced (in your cosy but deadly ecumenicist hugs with Rome) doesn't mean others haven't made their cases clearly and with clout as to the nature of the Harlot you so willingly ignore in your lukewarm 'niceness'.
https://www.facebook.com/Ligonier/videos/10154092034303115/?fref=nf
Christ the divider.
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/conferences/standing-firm-2012-west-conference/for-justification-by-faith-alone/
To 1.29pm,
From 8.01pm to whom you replied,
Greetings. I have never grumbled about Catholics quoting Wikipedia. It's best to respond to individuals separately. Same with denominations. If you want to attack episcopalian liberal theology then I'd join you without joining your church!
I used the word "established" loosely when stating that Jerome established the same canon as protestants later did. I think that you in turn are overdoing it in claiming it was established at the Council of Rome in AD382. Councils are fallible (if you want an example of error then I'd give one) and this council simply rubberstamped what had become common understanding. you say Jerome did believe that the Apocrypha were canonical. If so, he changed his mind:
http://www.bible-researcher.com/jerome.html
There is of course mention of a meeting at Jamnia made in ancient sources; that Wikipedia article I cited is about what happened there, and you need to overcome its critique in order to make your case.
I'd add that if the aim of the Council of Jamnia was to remove Jesus from the Old Testament then they did a notably poor job of it. Generally it is agreed that the outstandingly obvious passages are Isaiah's four "suffering servant" poems, and they survived Jamnia intact.
The idea that we should give a translation precedence over the original is as absurd in regard to the Old Testament as it would be if we found a French translation of Shakespeare that was marginally older than the oldest English folio we happen to have.
Dear Marko, ...3:24
Thanks for your comments.
You are correct in as much as I can accept. When we look at scripture of where we as individuals give an account for our life's fruits, it is us alone at the judgment. No one else. We will not be pointing over here, over there. We individually give an account for ourselves, so we may do well to start focusing ourselves on that relationship here with our savior. Romans 14:11-13; Matthew 12:33-37
The other thing that you said that brought a scripture to remembrance is the admonition of not reaching out and trying to tear out/up the tares. For in doing so we destroy the wheat? This is the hardest verse to abide by, as it is easy to see error everywhere. Will we be accountable for the wheat we destroy? Maybe? That is a fearful proposition in itself. Matthew 13:25-30
The third thing that I have noted in my study of scripture is a quote from me (based I believe in scripture). "Just like those that need a savior, those that would be deceived, need a deceiver."
So in reflection we need to consider if we are ourselves playing the deceiver, or being deceived? Both are quite serious, yes? The scripture basis for this is: 2 Chronicles 18:18-22
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