The United States government has been in a form of "shutdown" since October 1st. Looming today is the spectre of tomorrow's "governmental default." Immediately after the stock market closed yesterday, financial rating service THE FITCH GROUP announced it was placing the country on a AAA negative watch list.
I don't know which faction I am angriest at: the "Affordable Health Care" with its forced contraception service payments being forced upon conscientious religious objectors and the fines for those unable to afford expensive health insurance (even those with same will have annual "donuts" of moneys that must be paid out of pocket first before insurance coverage kicks in) OR the TEA PARTY.
In my opinion, this may be a charade that inures to the benefit of the WORLD GOVERNMENT, Oooops, GLOBAL GOVERNANCE proponents.
Something ugly is brewing in the winds. I am hearing too much talk of "global currency reset." I have had panicked phone calls from clients re same and found plenty of discussion of same on the internet.
The slightly toned down G-20 websites are openly talking about a "TIME OF TRANSITION" or THE TRANSITION.
This ominous Washington possible default news has pushed to the back pages items that would otherwise be critical worldwide news: A devastating 7.2 earthquake in the Central Philippines. A devastating typhoon hit Japan the same day. Both happened yesterday. "Earthquakes in divers places" and/or "upon the seas distress of nations"?? Forgive me for even daring to think it!
This was the talk of what the New Agers hoped would happen to our government back in the early to later 1980s with "Harmonic Convergence," "Crystal Earth Papers," and Barbara Marx Hubbard's infamous THE BOOK OF CO-CREATION: THE BOOK OF REVELATION.
Jose Arguelles, a co-laborer with Barbara Marx Hubbard on creating events designed to CHANGE TIMES to a 13 month calendar died in Australia in 2011. The biographical books about his life tell us that he was raised a Lutheran but deeply immersed himself in the writings of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and Alice Ann Bailey, inter alia, as an adult. He was the one who started the 2012 movement.
Since then all have been talking about EMERGENCE and THE SHIFT.
I don't know about the others. I pray I am wrong, but the events of October 2013 look like the long delayed events of the New Agers to me. Same sex marriages encouraged with additional leave days for military personnel entering into same?
I don't like to quote Theosophical writers such as Yeats, but for those who reject Book of Daniel, Book of Revelation plain warnings, how about Yeats' line: "WHAT STRANGE BEAST IS THIS, ITS HOUR COME ROUND AT LAST,SLOUCHES TOWARD BETHLEHEM WAITING TO BE BORN"??!!
This all looks apocalyptic to me. All ten virgins were sleeping. All ten virgins eventually woke up. Five had enough oil in their lamp to go meet their Lord, five did not.
Maybe it's high time to go "oil shopping."
CONSTANCE
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 286 of 286anon. 8:37 I have no idea what you mean by proving my point. If you mean math, the girls who are raised typical are low. The girls who are allowed their normal tomboy inclinations, are male level math/spatial. The boys raised overprotected are female low level on these.
This proves it is not inherent.
Observing parents and children, researchers found that a boy given an obstacle who sits down and whines, is far less likely to get help, than a girl who can't handle an obstacle. The boy is knee jerk encouraged to overcome, the girl is knee jerk encouraged to not overcome and not solve problems.
The implications for this for the issue of spiritual overcoming should be obvious. (Which we can't do without God's help, which is another matter. If the kids aren't taught to call on God for help in EVERYTHING they have a problem brewing. I ask God for help all the time, I can't find my keys for instance.)
Now, enough of the sex differences thing. check Prov. chapter 31 and notice her independent moves on real estate and business and strengthening her arms and girding her loins with strength, masculine type imagery. "virtue" by the way in those days didn't mean what we mean by it but involved strength and directness, you find this term virtus in Latin about men in pagan lit.
Do your own research on this.
Posted with reference to Christine
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=733746673305468&set=o.252626491513557&type=2&theater
http://themoynihanletters.com/from-the-desk-of/letter-94-the-russians-are-coming
Russian becoming more Christian while the West becoming more secular? Have the earth's axis switched or something?
Just a reminder that this website is supposed to be about New Age. Look over this page to see what is going on in part of it.
http://theosophywatch.com/2013/10/11/scientism-is-the-new-religion/
Christine, my own research on this would include a couple I know personally (both medics) who believed exactly as you believe until they had their own children - one boy and one girl - and found themselves, to their surprise, educated to their error by their own offspring. They were forced to the belief that differences are innate not learned. Have you brought up children of your own of each gender?
Read also the book "Brainsex" by Anne Moir and David Jessel (1989), about gender differences in parts of the brain whose functions we understand, which essentially proves the point. The feminists are stuck in the 1960s.
About "original sin" and contempative prayer:
In the book "The Desert Fathers - Borrowing From the East" Ray Yungen wrote:
"Catholic priest and contemplative advocate William Shannon in his book, Seeds of Peace, explained the human dilemma as being the following:
This forgetfulness, of our oneness with God, is not just a personal experience, it is the corporate experience of humanity. Indeed, this is one way to understanding original sin. We are in God, but we don't seem to know it. We are in paradise, but we don't realize it."
Shannon's viewpoint defines the basic underlying worldview of the contemplative prayer movement as a whole. One can find similar quotations in practically every book written by contemplative authors. A Hindu guru or a Zen Buddhist master would offer the same explanation. This conclusion becomes completely logical when tracing the roots of contemplative prayer.
In the early Middle Ages, there lived a group of hermits in the wilderness areas of the Middle East. They are known to history as the Desert Fathers. They dwelt in small isolated communities for the purpose of devoting their lives completely to God without distraction. The contemplative movement traces its roots back to these monks who promoted the mantra as a prayer tool.
For more information on this topic go to:
http://www.towahkon.org/OnewithGod.html
The present-day New Age movement is said to be based to a considerable extent on the Theosophical tenets and ideas presented by Blavatsky and her contemporaries. "No single organization or movement has contributed so many components to the New Age Movement as the Theosophical Society. ... It has been the major force in the dissemination of occult literature in the West in the twentieth century."
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Blavatsky
By the end of the 19th century the idea of a Perennial Philosophy was popularized by leaders of the Theosophical Society such as H. P. Blavatsky and Annie Besant, under the name of "Wisdom-Religion" or "Ancient Wisdom".
The idea of a Perennial Philosophy is central to the New Age Movement. The New Age movement is a Western spiritual movement that developed in the second half of the 20th century. Its central precepts have been described as "drawing on both Eastern and Western spiritual and metaphysical traditions and infusing them with influences from self-help and motivational psychology, holistic health,parapsychology, consciousness research and quantum physics". The term New Age refers to the coming astrological Age of Aquarius.
Perennialism is a perspective within the philosophy of religion which views each of the world’s religious traditions as sharing a single, universal truth on which foundation all religious knowledge and doctrine has grown. According to this view, each world religion, including but not limited to Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shinto, Sikhism, and Buddhism, is an interpretation of this universal truth adapted to cater for the psychological, intellectual, and social needs of a given culture of a given period of history. The universal truth which lies at heart of each religion has been rediscovered in each epoch by saints, sages, prophets, and philosophers.
“Although the sacred scriptures of the world religions are undeniably diverse and often superficially oppose each other, a common doctrine running through each is discernible regarding the ultimate purpose of human life. This doctrine is mystical insofar as it views the summum bonum of human life as an experiential union with the supreme being which can only be achieved by undertaking a programme of physical and mental purification.”
New Agers seek “an experiential union with the supreme being.”
The Perennial Philosophy is expressed most succinctly in the Sanskrit formula, tat tvam asi ('That thou art'); the Atman, or immanent eternal Self, is one with Brahman, the Absolute Principle of all existence; and the last end of every human being, is to discover the fact for himself, to find out who he really is.
The New Age/Hindu transcendent Supreme Being/Spirit, Brahman, is the New Agers’ "only Refuge and Object of adoration."
(Worship of the Supreme Brahman)
I bow to Thee, the pure Intelligence manifested in the universe.
I bow to Thee Who in His essence is One and Who grants liberation.
I bow to Thee, the great, all-pervading attributeless One.
Imperceptible by the senses, yet the very truth.
Thou art the only Refuge and Object of adoration.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/maha/maha03.htm
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The New Age religion is NOT an “Earth worshiping religion”, as Constance Cumbey states in her blog post located at
http://cumbey.blogspot.com/2011/11/fifth-seal-persecution-of-church.html
Cumbey wrote: “There are moves among some in the Occupy Movement to harness UN and Native American support for a New Age earth worshiping religion. One New Age /Occupy Movement activist, Thomas Dahlheimer boasts that he is meeting with UN and other leaders.”
Well said 8:37 P.M.
It is always the gospel according to Christine.
Christine,,,, you would do well to back away from the computer, get some fresh air, a job, and focus on living for a change!
why obsess on me? you go get a job or something.
Now, as to this blog's focus, I cannot agree with the assessment of New Age as not nature worshipping, based on some poem (the phrasing speaking of self existent etc. almost sounds like it is based on a remnant of knowledge of the True God, but a twist brought in) out of tantra.
1. Hinduism is a hodge podge of conficting but accepted as okay all of it with an effort in the upanishads to get beyond the various deities and seek something beyond them. Essentially, Hinduism is theistic, polytheistic more accurately, and attempts to reconcile the conflicting claims of alleged top deities by claiming they are emanations of the same thing, or whatever.
2. Insofar as that poem points to "liberation" which in that context means liberation from the "illusion" of separate individual and physical existence, this means that the manifestation of this deity figure in nature is that nature is made up out of it. This is pantheistic.
3. insofar as the universe is viewed as consubstantial with the creator, of same substance with the creator, it is implying deity of all.
And this DOES add up to nature worship!
4. insofar as Theosophy points vocally and explicitly sooner or later to the damn lucifer fallen angel, aka satan (the adversary, enemy of God and man and all else ultimately) you are talking about an organization that is taking Hindu and related concepts, in explicit opposition to Christianity, attacks the Nicene Council, pretends things were banned from The Bible as if this was a coverup of truth instead of a defense of the only Apostolic literature against later false documents, etc., you have anti Christianity and since it despises YHWH aka Jehovah as well as a mere tribal local deity at best, you have devil worship, not some imperfect Abrahamic faith.
This brings us to the issue of WHO is God, YHWH or some other spirit or the whole universe itself?
AND SINCE
they let slip here and there the desirability of destruction of all matter, the development of nuclear weapons, chemtrails (don't bother me about this, go study up on weather engineering there is scientific stuff out there and proposals on it, incl. exactly what IS being reported by testing ground under chemtrails and I don't mean cloud seeding), and germ warfare, I suspect the ultimate goal is mass murder.
Christian,
It's not an either/Or.
These Christian women were also mothers and wives.
The argument being put forth by feminist thinkers is that being a mother or a wife limits a woman's social and economic options.
They point to the Middle East as an example.
There are others who at times have only looked as a woman as a mother and a wife and nothing else.
Christian balance would be to be able to be both.
To retain one's feminity without resorting to hatred of it, like we see today.
If the message has the word "stuff" in it, you know it's from Christine.
Why obsess on you Christine? You are amusing. In these serious times we need entertainment. You are a balabusta, (bossy woman for those who don't know Yiddish terms). You bustle around, get your dander up, make great pronouncements, bull a lot when you don't know what in the heck you are talking about. You are like an old character actress in some third rate play. That's humorous entertainment.
Christine may be a theosophists
"Today human beings are neither entirely male or female: along with a latently androgynous body, we are psychologically androgynous to one degree or another, manifesting both polarities of lower mental and emotional forces. Why should we expect otherwise when all of us have experienced many lives in bodies of each sex? In a series of lives a person may incarnate several times as a man, then live several lives as a woman, oscillating back and forth as the polarity of lower psychomental forces swings gradually one way and then the other, according to the person's thoughts and experiences, until balanced development is ultimately achieved. Therefore neither sex is superior, nor are the members of one sex as a group superior to those of the other. Each person evolves as an individual, using a particular type of physical and psychological apparatus because of psychomental tendencies built up over recent earth lives, and because of karmic demands and opportunities. "
http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/issues/sx-sbd.htm
Anonymous 3:48 P.M.
How true! Last weekend there was only about two posts in over 48 hours. Thats because Christine had announced she was going on one of her mini vacations. Christine you were sorely missed!
Is there any better place, to get a good heapin helpin of "oscillating lower psychomental force stuff?
4:08 You may be right. Christine is all over the map in nearly every topic--why not all over the map in that realm as well?
It would all be very funny (and is a bit entertaining) if it were not so sad for Christine herself...she does need an actual life. A mini-vacation is not cutting it.
anon. 4:08, you made my point for me, that theosophy and occultism is SEXIST, that it proclaims there are male and female spiritual forces and characteristics, things in the cosmos can even be categorized as such.
Nothing in that statement you cite denies classical sexist theory.
It merely says to combine them. Or claims that the tendency to do so is the result of subconsciously held tendencies and experiences from previous lives in different sex bodies. This combined influence is supposedly the cause of people not following "normal" sex character development. (and can be used as excuse or justification for homosexuality.)
One not too often run into idea is that the astral body is always the opposite sex to the physical body, which is totally false as anyone who has done bilocation can tell you. (I suppose if you bilocate only after such brainwashing, you might see yourself as opposite sex, but that is another matter. On your own you won't. Astral realm is fluid and illusory. Nothing to trust.)
That is not the same thing as saying they are an artificial construct, at least in humans, and should be ignored and individuals allowed to develop as they please absent sin and perversion.
Christine you are too much in your own head and too preoccupied by navels. That is a humanistic mindset. Streams of New Age "stuff" come from you almost incessantly. And don't tell me you read the Bible.......Christine, you need to believe it.
I do believe The Bible, but I read it a lot more carefully than you do and I don't bother anymore with the people who interpret it to support their fleshly agendas.
Just because the New Age is promoting some twisted version of something doesn't mean there isn't an element of truth. Are you going to empty your garbage can in the park or the gutter (and your industrial waste in the drinking water reservoir) just because 1. this was done in the more Christian worldview consensus Middle Ages when the streets were a running sewer in Europe, and 2. the New Agers are involved in environmentalism?
There are some environmentally relevant OT Laws, which by extrapolation to apply to modern times would validate a lot of (but not all) safety health and pollution codes.
Right Christine;
And the NFL is guilty for not having any women in it,
and the NBA and the NHL and MLB.
Not even soccer !
Christine, have you ever heard of the chemical that God himself put in men, which is called testosterone ?
Look up what testosterone does. It's a lot more than facial hair and deep voices.
Composers, artists, engineers, architects, sculptors,
producers, warriors, mathematicians
I'll tell you what; if I'm an American G.I. going into a battle situation and political correctness has determined that I need to have a female beside me
in war…well all I can say is... I'm screwed.
Hell, my wife wouldn't even stick around when I was being bodily threatened one time. She didn't even bother to be a witness on my behalf. She ran. She left the scene. Thanks honey.
Yeah, women make really fierce warriors when they're allowed to be tomboys, right Christine ?. Gimme a break.
Christine you are so full of impacted, uh, stuff, that
you don't know your right hand from your left.
But hey, you're really a brilliant debater. Maybe that's why Constance lets you do your thing here. She knows that you would have made a great defense attorney specializing in defending guilty-as-sin
clients.
If you had said that women are just as smart as men
I wouldn't have called you out, because they are.
But you reached way too far.
You're a jamming agent here and I hope that Constance realizes it soon.
Scary scary times. It appears there are two Christines, the androgenous or hermaphroditic body that supposedly lives on the early plane and gets words on this webpage and her astral twin.
If that is true, then the air is filled with anonymous astral bodies traveling to heaven knows where all around us.
Christine, how to I contact my astral body?
Christine, don't try to throw us off our path to knowledge. Own up to the fact that you are an ascended master come to teach those of us in the lower root races what true spirituality is. You gave yourself away with your comments about what the physical bodies of those we consider men and women really represent, the material world, not the true spiritual self.
I was fascinated by that theosophy watch page someone posted and tried reading more. I found http://theosophywatch.com/2010/07/04/a-new-order-of-ages/ a beautiful understanding of life.
"The Prophecy of the Secret Books
The characteristics of sex will gradually disappear, and humanity will be slowly once again becoming androgynous. Offspring will be born in a manner generally similar to that which prevailed during the second and early third root-race periods: -toward the close of the sixth, mankind will begin to manifest the first appearances of reproduction by kriyasakti (propagation by means of will and imagination)."
Ascended Master Christine, you have tried to teach us and we, lower level people, have made fun of you. Your thinking is not as is ours, so we have not appreciated it.
It even teaches on that page "Toward the close of the Sixth Root-race, humanity will be showing a steadily increasing tendency to evolve out of fleshly into more ethereal physical bodies."
That explains the ethereal body you speak of.
Do forgive our weaknesses Christine. One day we will be like you, given time and experiences that we need to grow in wisdom, not just materialistic factual knowledge. Have pity on us oh great one.
To the others here, do not go to that page unless you can take being enlightened. Your body will take on flashes of what looks like neon as you are being enlightened.
Lack of Testosterone had nothing to do with your wife's behavior.
Do you have any idea how many men would do the same thing she did?
And chemically and by physical appearance they do not lack testosterone.
I didn't say women ARE as brave but CAN be and HAVE been. And that the reason why is that they are encouraged to be cowardly.
We interrupt "The Christine Comedy Hour" (brought to you by the Annoy-a-tron, a device that emits random bits of noise to confuse and annoy those in the room), for the following announcement.
The following link appears to be a good "New Age" news site, following all the latest developments in New Age circles. Kind of like a Drudge Report for New Agers, only with pictures:
http://www.realitysandwich.com/
One of the ads in the box at top right:
"Shapeshifting in Action"
(with special guest: Barbara Marx Hubbard)
Lots of what's-happening-now stuff to be sifted through. Have at it!
And now, back to "The Christine Comedy Hour"!
Exciting, though not as exciting as Christine's insights.
The Institute of Noetic Sciences http://noetic.org/discussions/community-groups/412/ has a serious discussion "Can we influence reality with collective thought?" So, someone found an experiment at godlike productions, http://www.sesamebagel.com
"The Sesame Bagel Experiment is an attempt to measure the power of collective thought. The idea is to use Internet and Social Media to bring together the attention of as many people on a single object at the same time. The goal is to find out if physical reality can be influenced by the collective willpower. In this particular case we will try to move an ordinary bagel. Sesame Bagel. :) On a set date, November 11 at 11:11PM EST our live webcam will start broadcasting an ordinary sesame bagel in real-time. All visitors will be asked to concentrate their willpower on the bagel and imagine that it's moving into a set direction. That's about it. Then we'll see what happens." There are 876 participants so far. Isn't this exciting. There will be a live webcam watching the bagel.
And you thought New Age was dead and stupid!!!
I'm thinking Christine could move that bagel. What with all that oscillating lower psychomental testosterone STUFF she has all bottled up in her warrior princess psyche compartment #666
While the world of New Age, Theosophy, the occult etc. might seem totally strange and abnormal, many people of high intelligence are drawn to that field of study to explore the ideas found there. At Theosophy Watch I came across this page http://theosophywatch.com/2013/10/23/the-color-of-music/
In an effort to understand the paranormal, various ideas are explored such as the Color Reading Interference (Stroop) Test and the article on the Color of Music.
No matter what belief pattern one has, it's oh so easy to take a superior attitude toward everyone who doesn't have the same set of beliefs. Humbleness in the face of the complexity of life is very important.
Where a person can point out the dangers in a set of beliefs other than one's own, it is good to speak out. Know what is being attacked before attacking it.
I definitely am not supporting the Christine, the New Age movement or Theosophy with this post. I am saying know what you are talking about before you talk. Christine most often speaks about a wide range of topics with a know it all attitude without being able to clearly define the views she is pushing.
Ya know, God has this way of interrupting MY program....
Nightly devotions.... talked about the art of sympathy. I certainly didn't practice it in my comment above. The verse was 1 Peter 3:8.
"Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble."
Apologies again, Christine. I do think you should stick to your own blog, and honor Constace's request of you to limit your postings here, but that's no excuse for the condescending remarks I made above.
Do you see what your "stuff" really looks and sounds like Christine? We worship what we make a priority, for our minds, our time, our resources, our energy and interests. The first and greatest Commandment reveals that people can put God way way down on our list-if He is even on it. It does us all good to let that thought rest deeply in our minds. Your barage of stuff here could be very much tattling on you, Christine. I have to guard myself against treating God like that. Please take notice for your own sake too.
Reminds me of this passage of scripture:
"""Therefore, thus says The Lord: I shall make you as stubble fully dried; and behold, in the midst of you I shall kindle a fire! Upon you shall I bring distress and tribulation! For the whole land shall be as a woman caught in the midst of great travail; like a man overcome with madness, shouting and foaming at the mouth! The land shall convulse and your glory shall be thrown down, your loftiness bowed down, in the day I trample you underfoot! Says The Lord.
City by city shall be broken down, and the blood of the wicked shall be poured upon the ground! For as lightning sets the tree ablaze and boisterous winds drive the flames, so shall I consume you from off this land, from one end to the other!... With blackness and death, with desolation and great distress, until there is no place!
Behold, I shall wear you out, O mighty nation! Calamity upon calamity shall batter you and break you down! Your enemies shall persecute you, without respite, and breach the wall! For you have not ceased from doing evil before My face!... Behold, day and night the innocent are murdered because of YOU!
Thus My hand is stretched out against you, O nation not desired!
FOR YOU HAVE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD!...
Behold, I shall set you forth as an example,
A sign to all nations, a warning for all those who forget God!...
And it shall come to pass, that all who look
Upon you shall be greatly astonished;
They shall hide their faces and draw back from you,
Because of the terror of The Lord!
Therefore hear the word of The Lord, O peoples of the earth, even you who call of yourselves by My own name, thus says The Lord: The Day of The Lord has come; behold, it is at the doors! Yes, it is here and has come! The time has come, when I must remove My Bride and take My innocent lambs; it is time for My sheep to be called home. For they have followed close behind Me, and did not stray; indeed, many which were lost have been found, and now seek to go wheresoever I lead them. For I have called to them, and they have harkened to My voice... Behold, I have gathered them together, and soon they shall be given rest upon My bosom, in the house of The Lord.
Behold I shall pass through, and the judgments of God shall be poured out, even upon the whole earth and every inhabitant; and the whole world shall be shaken!... For the days of wailing are here, many days of sorrow have come in and shall not cease, until the people grow weary with groaning, until every face is wet and every garment is drenched with tears. For the day is coming when many shall be left alone, in a moment, when many knees shall buckle with fear.
Behold My anger is kindled, and My jealousy is brought forth like fire, and who is able to quench it?! For the wrath of God can not be turned aside; neither can the indignation of The Father be returned to its place! Like a flood bursting the banks it covers the land; like a monstrous deluge increasing in height, it eats up the shore and undermines the foundation, until the towers topple and the remnant thereof is carried away!... Behold, like the terrible mountain it spews its fervent heat and rains down upon men! It rushes down the mountain with terrifying speed, consuming all in its path!
And thus is the wrath of God, thus is the indignation of The Father: An ever-increasing weight, a rising tide that does not recede, an overflowing cup in the hand of The Almighty, poured out without mixture... Yet call upon My name in sincere repentance, and turn back from this evil way you have chosen, and I shall have mercy upon you; behold, even I shall deliver you. For there is but One Way and One Escape, One Salvation. Cry out therefore, call upon The Name, the only name by which you must be saved, YahuShua HaMashiach; yes, He who is called Christ and Jesus, Yeshua and Messiah! """" ~ SAYS THE LORD (excerpt)
anon 11:55, this is an awful lot of verbiage to supposedly come from God. these are not quotes from The Bible, but alleged letters received by someone from God, after starting with a dream. I cannot find on the site this is from any reference to the means of receiving the latters except that "Timothy" is told to write them.
Whether this is taking dictation or automatic writing is not specified, and if the latter then this is false. IF it is the product of a Bible soaked subconscious mind it will not contain specific doctrinal error, if it is a conscious fraud, it might not also. Or it may be buried in all that wealth of verbiage. God doesn't blather on and on like we do. Notice the pattern in The Bible even though the amount of material to write on was limited.
There is also what looks like an imninent snatch away scenario here, which has absolutely no Scriptural or historical interpretation precedent.
Exactly how do these "letters" come to "Timothy?"
and what kind of following is he developing and it is located where? who are these people?
I do hope you are not going to go wait to be taken home by Jesus only to find you are victims of a mass (and likely permanent) abduction by aliens who plan to "serve man" (as dinner).
okay, I am going to take this false prophecy apart at the seams. Glory to God for my brains. To YHWH (incl. Jesus Christ) be all the glory for my ability to use my brains.
http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=The_State_of_the_Dead_and_The_Fate_of_the_Wicked:_The_False_Doctrine_of_Hell_and_Eternal_Torment_Exposed#PART_3_-_Q_.26_A:_Lazarus_and_the_Rich_Man_Parable
"Question: Is the story of Lazarus to be taken literally? Can this story be used to prove the doctrine of eternal torment? Does this story prove that there is an “after-life” without being resurrected?
Answers: No, No, and No."
Then the argument is given that all are parables, but as someone pointed out, this is the ONLY parable where names are named. That means Jesus is here telling people of what happened to people they personally knew.
And notice that any life after death before the general resurrection of the dead is DENIED in this passage.
and notice this "This story has been used by men in attempt to authenticate the false doctrine of eternal life for the damned in torment"
say what? This doctrine is EXPLICITLY stated in Revelation and elsewhere, and in Jesus' own words where He speaks of their fire not being quenched and their worm (presumably the ones munching on them) does not die and also speaks of another situation of damnation, being cast into outer darkness.
this false prophecy of "trumpet call of God" goes on to nitpick over things like the man knew about his family - of course he knew about them, even if not what they were doing at the moment because he could see them from where he was, he knew what they were like, just like him, what their habits were.
and then there is nit picking over hades/sheol vs. hell. But the trouble is that hades/sheol by the descriptions is the place of the dead, divided into a place of happiness and a place of torment.
then it goes on to cite some passages about the dead, which since these are in conflict with other passages in Scripture about the dead, and Scripture does not contradict itself, cannot be taken as absolute, but as relative in some way.
In general, sure, the dead know nothing about what goes on here except someone coming from here (having died) or from God or God Himself tells them.
"Summary of the Symbols of the Parable:
1. The Lazarus of the parable was Eleazar, Abraham’s steward (Genesis 15:2).
2. He was a Gentile “of Damascus”, “a proselyte of the gate”, who “ate the crumbs.”
3. He was disinherited (to become a beggar), but he remained faithful to Abraham and God."
Total and insulting (to Abraham) bullshit. Why would Abraham when he decided not to make Eleazar his heir, kick him out to beg? this "explanation" makes Abraham himself out to be the rich man who let Lazarus starve!
I can't go into the rest of this in detail with the space here. I was suspicious from the getgo, but this proves it.
denial of eternal torment and denial of conscious existence after death. (Final unchangeable situation is only after The Last Judgement as per Revelation last chapter, but that is another matter.)
"Yet in My mercy, I have made death
likened unto a dreamless sleep, so all those whom I love do not suffer in death, but only close their eyes to this life
and then reopen them again to The Kingdom of God" http://trumpetcallofgod.com/pdfs/letters-vol1.pdf
not exactly the usual picture the Church has taught throughout the ages. Sure, the dead may alternate between sleep and waking as seems to be shown in Revelation but that is not the same thing as soul sleep which this teaches.
Don't be deceived by the otherwise biblical content, as I pointed out anyone steeped in Scripture can put together either by some subconscious self deception or a deliberate deception to promote some specific doctrinal deviation, an otherwise sound book.
We are looking at the start of yet another cult here.
"Timothy I have made the head, for he speaks for Me... Yet I am the head of all, even over all creation, that which is
known and unknown. And in the days soon to follow will I give him authority over many, though he will be without
his body, of which you and his children are its members. In that day, he will be all in all in the Spirit, and this will
be the new body in which he will accomplish My will. Therefore he must be separated from his earthly body, of
which you and his children are its members, for a time, times and half a time, and again."
say WHAT?! this is not about roles in marriage this is about this guy is going to die, and is going to be all in all (which is what Revelation says about God not creatures) in future, is going to be separated from his physical body and have some ministry after that. (same pdf.)
"All the rest of the dead, who rejected Him or
did not know Him, will also be raised and live at the end of the Millennial Kingdom. In that Day, the penitent will
receive life everlasting... And the wicked, condemnation, forever separated from God."
http://trumpetcallofgod.com/pdfs/letters-vol3.pdf
well, if there is no eternal torment, then what is this eternal separation from God about? they go into limbo? or just stop existing like the Jehovah's Witnesses teach?
"YOu WILL BE TAkEn OuT OF this world, which has all together become liken to that Babylon, I will
destroy in the hour of My God’s judgment. Many more will I take out after the elect have been lifted up... They will
be martyrs. And yet, a remnant will remain who shall be hidden in the earth for a time, times and the dividing of
time... To these, it is reserved to be taken through."
Interesting confusion between a pre wrath post trib rapture position, and the people who are taken through the tribulation either in hiding or as glorious martyrs who die for Jesus Christ.
http://trumpetcallofgod.com/pdfs/letters-vol3.pdf p. 162
repeatedly there are calls to keep the seventh day sabbath, yet St. Paul lists "sabbaths" among those works of The Law that are done away with in the New Covenant. Yet vol. r says "return to My Sabbaths" note plural. that would incl. the rest of the Mosaic holy days, which ST. PAUL says are done away with, they are the shadow but Christ is the reality.
"And steadfast patience and rock-hard faith will
be required of the latter-days saints of The Lord’s Day, for great and terrible things are coming during these days,
and greater still to come, during the Last Week." vol. 4 p. 237 latter day saints of The Lord's Day? huh? is this some new Mormon spinoff?
"Many of you shall die... Let your hearts not be troubled, these things must
be... But you shall not sleep. You shall surely pass from the shadow of death into the light of life. In those days, you shall
know God’s sanctuary... You shall worship in His tabernacle, clothed in white robes.
To the prophets, My witnesses, 144,000, to you it has been purposed, and it shall be done. You shall not be of the world,
though you remain in it" p. 281
this is the doctrine of the JW's and I think of their predecessors.
"God is no respecter of persons, for all in Christ are of one body. So neither
by lineage nor inheritance have I chosen these 12,000 from each tribe; for who I have chosen, I have chosen.
Whether they be of the Gentiles, or of the line of Israel, there is no difference; for who I have chosen, I have
chosen. I am The Lord.
And if I choose one such as you,
Whom I have plucked from among the Gentiles and grafted in,
Are you not then the same as those who remain in the olive tree?...
Of the same family, under God, sons and daughters,
All of one family by the blood of Christ?...
For only those in union with The Messiah shall go for Me.
Therefore, put no difference between you and them. For if you are adopted into the family of Abraham, then of
Abraham you are; if I have grafted you into the branch of Levi, then of the Levites you are and as a Levite you shall
serve...'
Interesting subtle tweaking of Revelation's plain words.
notice "For if you are adopted into the family of Abraham, then of
Abraham you are; if I have grafted you into the branch of Levi, then of the Levites you are" vol. 5
this almost rivals the ignorant rants of Joseph Smith.
the Levites ARE of the family of Abraham, and ALL Christians are of the family of Abraham through Jesus Christ!
The fact that the tribe of Dan is left out of the 144,000 list makes it likely that this is literal.
"3/20/07 From God The Father and Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior -
A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear
Keep The Passover, Even All Seven Holy Days Set Forth by The Father, and You Will Begin to
Know and Understand The Glory of God and His Christ
Thus says The Lord God of Israel:
Keep The Passover...
Keep it according to the New Covenant...
Keep it in faith and love.
Forsake these vanities of men, false doctrines, taken from that which is unseemly in the eyes of The Lord your
God. Unleaven yourselves and give Me perfect praise, pure worship in Christ, your Sanctuary. Keep The Feast of
Unleavened Bread also... Seven days as an offering of thanks for Him who I sent to you, the very same who has
removed all leaven from within you." http://trumpetcallofgod.com/pdfs/letters-vol5.pdf p. 324
This is the rejection of Christ by keeping The Law that Paul warned of, and I suppose soon I shall read of circumcision as well, or perhaps not.
whew, I am skimming vol 7 now, almost the end of this mess. I think this man is not so much hearing from a lying spirit (though that may have played a role at the start and he did the rest) but making it all up himself.
"6/19/07 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior -
A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear
Salvation Is Given and Must Be Received; Once Received, Forever Shall It Belong to the Redeemed cont.
So then, O arrogant generation, who do call of themselves by My own name, you do greatly err. For upon this one
truth is the Kingdom built and eternal life established!... Salvation received in Me is forever, as I am forever and
unchanging! For I have already told you, this is a cord which can not be broken, for it is made of the finest thread
and the strongest steel, and in no wise shall death prevail. And by no means can one be cast into hell, to suffer
day and night without end. This teaching is false and myth, borrowed from the deceiver, who upon all pagan
religion was built.
Sons of men, know you not what the Scriptures say: That whosoever believes in The Son abides forever; and
whosoever has not The Son shall perish and not see life? How then shall one say, that whether one believes or
believes not, both have eternal life? This teaching among the churches" p. 462
ahem. the complaint is apparently that those who claim one can go into eternal damnation, are saying that the damned have therefore eternal life.
This ignores the fine point in Scripture, that "eternal life" is a relationship with God, through Jesus Christ, not mere everlasting physical (or glorified, rendered immortal and indestructible physical) conscious existence.
And of course the once saved always saved doctrine is taught,
Notice that St. Paul speaks of Christ having destroyed the works of the devil that is death by Christ's death and Resurrection. But also that this will not be perfected until the last.
So what do we have here? Eternal glorified (i.e., immortal and indestructible) physical existence for ALL, the saved have "eternal life" i.e., alive to God and with Him, and in a paradisiacal existence, but the damned have immortality and indestructibility - in a very uncomfortable existence.
Death in the physical sense we know has been destroyed in fullness at that point, but the damned are dead to God just as they are in this life if they don't repent, and the immortality of the just is paradisiacal while the immortality of the damned is hellish.
"Thus says The Lord: The light has gone out of the churches of men! Therefore I, even I, have removed all candlesticks
from their places"
Where have I heard this before? ah yes, Harold Camping.
a call at one point to keep all the Mosaic holy days http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=Grace_AND_The_Law_(Bible/Letter_Study)#The_Entire_Human_Race_Was_on_Death_Row.2C_But_Capital_Punishment_is_Annulled_in_YahuShua_HaMashiach_.28Jesus_The_Christ.29:
which St. Paul said not to keep.
I haven't found Christological or Trinity opposing heresies, maybe I missed something. But the main goal of this effort seems to be, to make Timothy your guru.
Anyone coming here to find a discussion about the New Age movement soon learns this site is being kept deliberately useless, whether by Constance Cumbey or Christine, I don't know. Both will find themselves answering to God for the destruction of others they could have held back somewhat but didn't.
There are sins of commission and sins of omission. What we are seeing are sins of omission.
"I am going to take this false prophecy apart at the seams. Glory to God for my brains. To YHWH (incl. Jesus Christ) be all the glory for my ability to use my brains."
I think I'm going to be sick.
anon 6:11 "Anyone coming here to find a discussion about the New Age movement soon learns this site is being kept deliberately useless, whether by Constance Cumbey or Christine, I don't know. Both will find themselves answering to God for the destruction of others they could have held back somewhat but didn't."
Er, this is Constance Cumbey's blog, she isn't just another poster here. And New Age is multifaceted enough to incl just about all issues hashed over here, whether they are your particular concerns or not.
I suppose to you "new age" means strictly what some few individuals are up to who are leaders, never mind what the rest of the network they set up is doing.
yeah, right, keep hitting at the original site of the cancer and ignore the rest of it metastasizing elsewhere. That's your mentality.
Not that these individuals and the part of the New Age network that is immediately connectable to them isn't important to look at, but there is a lot more to it than that, and they could all drop dead and the damage is still out there, which consist not just of individuals networked but the ideas and institutions they have set in motion which can work more or less on their own with enough believers.
Doubletalking again Christine so you can go on speechifying about any topic that crosses your mind.
There is a New Age movement that can be defined. Obviously you aren't intelligent enough to know that.
I am saying you are intellectually reckless, a real loose cannon where information is concerned, a real buttinsky.
Let's see a show of hands of those who feel they have learned anything from your ponderings, and if so they might add what they have learned.
Constance is not beyond criticism. No one is. There is no pedestal on which she stands. Yes, she has done much good, but God put her in her mind knowledge to use. She gained fame and opportunity from that gift. The question is how has she been using it.
You have no followers here.
obviously you are not intelligent enough to realize that the New Age movement is not a narrow limited thing.
Some other people, who have critiqued my opposition to sexism by saying this is a New Age idea (it isn't in itself and the so called order of things at creation is actually the curse on Eve in Genesis chapter 3, not the original order of Genesis chapters 1 and 2).
Also others are intelligent enough to realize that UFOs and oddball physics are a New Age issue, as is Nibiru and cataclysmic worries in general, since they critique my NON New Age concerns about this as being a symptom of New Ageism on my part.
Wise up. Many things are exploited by the New Age or given their spin, that are NOT New Age in themselves.
But in their confusion, their attacks show that they understand the New Age a whole lot better than you do.
"Also others are intelligent enough to realize that UFOs and oddball physics are a New Age issue, as is Nibiru and cataclysmic worries in general"
Dear Readers, do not believe this. Christine has proved in several threads on this blog that she does not understand elementary physics yet she regards herself as an authority who knows more than the worlds's top physicists. She does this by taking experimental results from one or two generations ago and seizing on a small number of anomalous experimental results performed at the limits of technology of the era or by persons of limited training. In other words, these results are untrustworthy outliers. As technology advances, physicists continually revisit the experiments on which the subject rests, to determine what is happening to better accuracy, and the effects that Christine insists are new physics have now been ruled out to a very high degree of certainty. Far from being a generation ahead of the game, Christine is a generation behind. She nevertheless implies that the subject is a clique, rejective of outsiders who consider "other types of physics". But there is only one type of physics, because there is only one set of laws of physics, and those are what we study in the discipline called physics.
In particular, Nibiru is not an identified celestial body. The name alone exists, to be attached to whatever body the conspiratorialists need to believe is out there posing a threat at any given time. In a previous thread I pointed out how much infrared detector technology had improved since the first claims of a brown dwarf star, such that we can now rule this out decisively.
Christine spends much more time here than writing her own blog, which I regard as walking onto a stage before an audience who have come to see someone else, and then proceeding to harangue them. I think that this blog would revert to what it was - an interesting forum for discussion about the menace of the New Age movement, largely but not exclusively for monotheists, if Constance were to bar Christine. I miss the good old days.
Physicist
"Dear Readers, do not believe this. Christine has proved in several threads on this blog that she does not understand elementary physics yet she regards herself as an authority who knows more than the worlds's top physicists."
Yes to what you wrote 6:21 pm. And do not believe what she says when she is preaching the Bible either. She does not rightly divide the Word of God. She has a weird mixture of Bible and New Age plus a caustic view of what home and family are supposed to look like. Just a bit of Truth here and there, but mostly half-truths, which is worse than a bold-faced lie, and the junk science and junk philosophies of humanism (roots of New Age). Her brand of toxic koolaid.
The New Age exploits a lot of things that we need to recover the correct parts for ourselves instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Physicist, an object that would fit the description of nibiru was identified in 1983 and another one later. I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT
1. originally I ignored nibiru because of the New Age channeled source of more recent info, and
2. that I no longer buy the nibiru scenario but the nemesis one, the latter does not involve a close approach, but does fling asteroids at us, and there has been an uptick of hitherto unknown ones coming by and meteorite hits. The one in Siberia is the best known.
you on the other hand have steadfastly refused to consider that what you know is incomplete, which is precisely the attitude that impeded discoveries in the past of things now part of your accepted knowledge.
anon 7:45 if you would read the Bible references and context you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss things as lies or halftruths.
ironically, my family life was the result of a wrong sort of woman ruling, if my father had been boss things would have been better. but that is only because he was a better person. (And I would probably have been in better shape physically, he brought me a little boxing bag on a pole on a plate you stand on to hit it when I was a little kid.)
We're waiting to see if anyone will say you taught them anything Christine. The people who post here are quite intelligent and not in need of your input. If this hurts your feelings, so be it. You are hurting the necessity to expose the New Age movement and the fight against it, something which is much more important than giving you a stage on which to speechify.
That Constance is so desperate to have input on her blog that she lets it be destroyed is a tragedy. There is no excuse for such behavior.
You have destroyed this blog so much that even given time it may not recover and would better be closed. As it is Christine, you have turned it into a joke.
Christine, as you have described her, your mother had a very strong ego and pushed her views in a destructive way. Perhaps you are more like her than you realize. Try to remember what your father appeared to be and try that way of acting toward others.
"Physicist, an object that would fit the description of nibiru was identified in 1983 and another one later."
And that's the problem - TWO nibirus already, and NO catastrophe.
"I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT... originally I ignored nibiru because of the New Age channeled source of more recent info, and... that I no longer buy the nibiru scenario but the nemesis one"
But it was nibiru that you mentioned above in this thread. I'm glad that you no longer believe it and were mentioning it merely as a New Age belief, but it is not a significant tenet of New Age compared to crystals, pyramids, earth-worship, forms of divination etc and the politics of this belief system.
"the latter does not involve a close approach, but does fling asteroids at us, and there has been an uptick of hitherto unknown ones coming by and meteorite hits. The one in Siberia is the best known."
Yes; although we know about most things nearby in earth-intersecting orbits, we cannot exclude somewhat larger bodies farther out in the solar system being slingshotted at us by a close encounter with one of the outer planets. Indeed this is likely someday in view of some passages in the Book of Revelation. But where is the statistical evidence for that uptick; on what timescale? (Obviously if you start the clock the day before the Siberia meteorite and stop it the day after then there has been an uptick.)
"you on the other hand have steadfastly refused to consider that what you know is incomplete"
Christine, why do you think I do research in physics?
Physicist
The good old days....
Here's what research here *used* to look like (as just one example):
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11772087&postID=636107864146963870
Constance's post was crammed full of info, as were the comments. Names, organizations, books, etc. Mostly quick, hard facts, left to the reader to investigate further.
Oh Marko, thanks for that trip into the past. There were so many concerned, intelligent posters and we all learned from each other.
To think that it all withered away. I wonder why others stopped posting. Have they stopped researching, feeling their input was wasted?
""I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT... originally I ignored nibiru because of the New Age channeled source of more recent info, and... that I no longer buy the nibiru scenario but the nemesis one"
But it was nibiru that you mentioned above in this thread. I'm glad that you no longer believe it and were mentioning it merely as a New Age belief,"
physicist, you DO have a reading comprehension problem. you need to address it.
I was not merely "mentioning it merely as a New Age belief."
1. initially because NA was the main recent source I ignored it.
2. I came across non NA astronomical and something-is-being-covered-up indications reasons to give it credence.
3. I gave it credence, but decided Nemesis is a better more likely scenario.
Nemesis is based on the same astronomical evidence as nibiru, without the effort or capability of use as effort to write off Biblical disaster type miracles as mere natural events.
Nemesis also is large dark body on a tilted orbit, pulling Neptune and Uranus downwards, by now it should be farther from the ecliptic on a cross ecliptic orbit either above or below it, but mainly
5. it never gets near us though might be a distant crustal disruptive pull if above or below us while above or below the ecliptic. It disrupts oort cloud stuff and maybe while under or above asteroid belt stuff, and we get some of the results.
which means, look for city killer asteroid impacts sooner or later.
There is a big difference between saying "this is a NA belief that is an influence currently," and
"this is being exploited by NA but is a real issue, unless it is something else that is a real issue."
I notice you once made a long post explaining that there is nothing occult about holograms, because of Constance's concern about them re Project Bluebeam.
But neither she or anyone else said or implied they are occultic, merely that occultists could use them for their purposes (like they can use physical art, radio, TV, music and Internet).
So obviously you got a reading comprehension problem. And I am sure that especially if this operates in the heard as well as seen words, this is making for some interesting misunderstandings in your private and maybe professional life.
There are courses you can take to deal with this.
What someone says and what you hear, what someone writes and what you see, are not apparently the same thing all the time.
Christine, what in the hell does your supposed information about something out in space have to do with the New Age movement?
If anyone has a reading comprehension problem it is you.
I would compare you to a pebble in an empty can which makes a lot of noise.
Do you comprehend that? Probably not.
OK Constance your number count is kept high by Christine's meanderings. Good for you and your information about the New Age movement and the world around it which includes anything that Christine wants to put in it. No wonder you have so few people in the chat room when you are on the radio, and most of the time they are ignoring what you are talking about.
OK Christine, what do you believe makes you an authority on the New Age movement? What are the boundaries of the New Age movement? What do you know that makes you believe it is so wide ranging that anything can be included, including every cockamamie fringe thought that someone can post? What governmental activity exists outside of the New Age movement? What cultural activity exists outside of the New Age movement?
Where else do you regularly post?
There is a New Age sucker born every minute it seems. One company, Umbralight Metaphysics is on Facebook where it has 54,540 people saying they like the company and 4,014 followers. They are out of Oklahoma. I came across the name because an Obama supporter on another site was complaining about their service.
I do think there is more money to be made supporting New Age things than in fighting the movement.
Anyone else think that big financial money supports the cultural side of New Age in order to change the culture enough to accept the political side bringing in socialism/one world government and control, control, control.
"physicist, you DO have a reading comprehension problem. you need to address it."
Christine, you are absolutely right that I have a reading comprehension problem regarding your posts here.
"Nemesis is based on the same astronomical evidence as nibiru, without the effort or capability of use as effort to write off Biblical disaster type miracles as mere natural events."
The above is an example of a sentence that I find hard to understand.
"Nemesis also is large dark body on a tilted orbit, pulling Neptune and Uranus downwards..."
If it were doing that then we would have noticed it by now. The existence of the outermost planets was inferred from their effects on the farther planets that we DO observe, and only after that were they directly observed by telescope. Anything 'large' exerting such an effect would also have been inferred to exist from its effect on other bodies in the solar system. If you know roughly where it is then IR telescopes would presumably have spotted it even if optical ones didn't. Even if those didn't see it, the fact that it hides the stars that is passes in front of would have let us see it by now.
Nothing is added to our knowledge of presently undetected Earth-hitting meteorites by giving them a name, whether Nibiru or Nemesis. The risk scenario is well understood. The problem is that we can't do much about it. Even prayer is useless against one of these given that it is prophesied in Revelation.
Physicist
"The above is an example of a sentence that I find hard to understand.
"Nemesis also is large dark body on a tilted orbit, pulling Neptune and Uranus downwards...""
What is so hard to understand? the information present is name, description, orbit look, orbit effect.
"If it were doing that then we would have noticed it by now."
It WAS noticed by Naval Observatory astronomer R. S. Harrington http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Planet_X_VS_Nibiru.html
who just when he was setting up an observatory in New Zealand a better position to see a southern hemisphere viewable object, whose existence was indicated by effects on planets on the ecliptic, conveniently that's
"CONVENIENTLY" (do you understand what I am implying here?)
died of an unusually fast acting cancer, and his laboratory burned down.
By now, if it is incoming (but not going to cross the ecliptic) it is where it cannot affect Neptune and Uranus any more. The size of Saturn and Jupiter may prevent obvious effect, but atmospheric behavior (loss of a band and near loss of the "eye" on Jupiter, and changes in some rings on Saturn) may indicate the influence, which by definition would on a loop be farther from them than it was from Neptune and Uranus, so you could expect no pull effect.
"Nothing is added to our knowledge of presently undetected Earth-hitting meteorites by giving them a name, whether Nibiru or Nemesis. The risk scenario is well understood. The problem is that we can't do much about it."
Encouraging preparedness and a return to early 1900s technical capability of a lot of the population would help mitigate damage. DHS/FEMA is doing a grid down exercise this month. Napolitano said in her outgoing speech that you can expect a grid destroying cyber attack and/or CME of the Carrington Event and disasters in different locations at the same time during her successor's tenure.
"Even prayer is useless against one of these given that it is prophesied in Revelation."
There is a saying, it's not the bullet with your name on it you have to worry about, its the ones marked "to whom it may concern."
and those can be prevented or mitigated.
I’ve heard that if you ignore them, they will go away. Conversely, I understand that gentle proddings aimed at an individual to reduce the quantity or to refrain from commenting altogether will result in the commenter actually getting the point (or at least caring about it, anyway). However, that doesn’t work in this case, for no matter what tack is taken, like a boomerang or a bad penny Christine returns.
The following lyrics to David Bowie’s “Breaking Glass” are an apt description of Christine and her string-of-consciousness ramblings (the “I” being Christine, room and carpet metaphors for Constance’s blog, the “you” representing the viewpoint of the collective commenters (except Christine) on here):
Lately, I’ve been
breaking glass in your room again
Listen
Don’t look on the carpet
I drew something awful on it
See
You’re such a wonderful person
But you got problems
While my blog is relatively inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, and only somewhat related to the postings here, it was Christine’s insistence for using the odd cuss word here and there, to include overtly breaking the 3rd commandment, which led me to withdraw “My Perspective” from my blog roll. And that’s a pity. Even though Christine hasn’t penned a cuss word in a while on here (that I’m aware of), and even though I know I don’t post very much of import here, her inane ramblings, especially the frequency with which she chooses to do so, persuades me from limiting and perhaps even ceasing to post on Constance’s blog. What’s the point, as it’s hard to be heard above the din of Christine?
But, going back to one of the subjects Christine brought up somewhat recently, I offer to Christine Graham Parker’s 1979 “Waiting for the UFOs”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_O2JwQEiRM
…We are waiting for the UFOs, we know that they’re there.
They’re there.
This new obsession is turning us alien too...
Constance
Have you ever read Open Scroll Blog?
I was Wondering if you think his interpretations of NA/occult symbolism in various media to be accurate. See current 4 part series 'Celestial Stargates'
Constance, what do you know about Hendrickson Publishers, Inc. PO Box 3473 Peabody, MA?
Jesus Christ said that he who is faithful in small things is faithful in big things.
And these people have made a change in a small thing, so I am wondering what else may be wrong or just lacking?
They publish Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible, Updated Edition, on the copyright page called updated and expanded edition.
But in one thing it isn't.
In the original Strong's Concordance, "helpmeet" is shown to be TWO separate words in Hebrew (neither of which especially in combination with each other implies that either of them rules over the other, which situation is stipulated only after The Fall and The Curse on Eve).
And online (so far) it shows the same thing.
But in this updated version, only ONE word, ezer, is used. When you look for "help" you find ezer, but when you look for "meet" in the same sentence, you again find "ezer."
Now, sex roles are not important as long as there is no cruelty or overbearing behavior or failure to listen and set aside ego for the issue of what is the right idea about or solution to something.
So this is, despite my ranting about it, A LITTLE THING.
And the updated Strong's is not faithful in this little thing.
So now I am wondering what else they are not faithful in, leaving out some word, treating it as absent when it is present, when people go looking for Greek and Hebrew regarding doctrine?
Or things that would be qualifiers in a historical event account, which could matter in issues of is The Bible accurate or not?
Maybe this is the one and only case they are not faithful. But I suspect this might go farther.
So, Constance, is there any New Age connection to Hendrickson Publishing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV62HreJpQQ
talking point for resisting the RFID technology being developed, use it, send it to your representative. computer virus infection of RFID chip and this then infects everything else. other issues of infection discussed here also.
on the contrary. in Hebrew English interlinear you can find that TWO words are used translated ezer and either neged or kenege I forget which. I remember the former from the original Strong's, the latter from the online version now, and it is essentially the same thing, though neged may be the root.
This adds up to helper (the same term used to refer to God Himself at times) and like unto/face to face sort of thing. Can mean face to face as opposition or as partner. Hebrew is often contextual in understanding its words.
My point is, if this change has occurred in a LITTLE matter, what else may be present that could screw with proper understanding on some doctrinal words?
I don't remember what happened to that earlier edition I had from the 1980s.
Jay Green editor of Hebrew English Interlinear Bible shows that TWO SEPARATE groups of Hebrew letters are involved.
Original Strong's concurs. Updated Strong's does not.
Where else is it in error and why?
IF this is a New Age infection effort, then we can expect two things.
1. because NA is sexist (inherently similarity of the sexes rejected in favor of merging the allegedly inherently opposed sexes, the merger of opposites, the hermetic great work and you can see this in political plays where a pincher move is at work, see None Dare Call It Conspiracy for an analysis of this) you can expect that the "suited for because like unto" implying second word will be left out.
you have to have the primordial opposites (incl. good and evil) to merge and transcend (beyond good and evil, or a concept of God that has Him being both good and evil or the devil as God's supposed dark side or whatever).
So originaly similarity of men and women has to be left out.
2. you can expect to find that there will be similar flaws in places to do with doctrine, Christology, soteriology, etc. something will be left out, some phrase that in a Greek Interlinear will show as two or three words will be reduced to one or two, so that an important modifier will be left out,
which will undermine some point of doctrine.
It will be quite an effort to go through it to find this, and without an Interlinear Greek English (I lost that volume) Bible very hard.
If Hendrickson as an organization has NA money or directoral personnel involved, that would be in itself a heads up.
I wrote (quoting Christine in quotation marks):
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"Nemesis is based on the same astronomical evidence as nibiru, without the effort or capability of use as effort to write off Biblical disaster type miracles as mere natural events."
The above is an example of a sentence that I find hard to understand.
"Nemesis also is large dark body on a tilted orbit, pulling Neptune and Uranus downwards..."
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Christine replies:
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"Nemesis also is large dark body on a tilted orbit, pulling Neptune and Uranus downwards...""
What is so hard to understand? the information present is name, description, orbit look, orbit effect.
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I wrote "the above is... a sentence that I find hard to understand", but Christine takes my words to refer to the sentence BELOW my words. And SHE claims that *I* have a reading comprehension problem, on which she proceeds to lecture me! All this in an attempt to divert the debate from her schoolkid bloopers about physics (which continue at 7:13pm).
Physicist
It is unfair to impute motives other than kindness to Constance's refusal to bar Christine. But the outcome is a ravaged blog.
One post per a day Christine, what happened to that polite request of Constance, whose blog this is?
Anonymous 6:23
Undoubtedly it seems to the giver as kindness, making the giver feel good about themselves. Kindness can be misplaced. Is it really kindness for one to give all to a ne'er-do-well while letting family members go in rags or is it something else?
"This is likely because “help meet” is a rather strange translation (“`ezer is clearly used as a noun, while “neged” is clearly an adjective in the context)."
The original Strong's and the online version had no difficulty with this, because they were going to the Hebrew and Greek, back of the English.
yet "helpmeet" is strange, because it is Elizabethan English, "meet" meaning "fit" or
"correct," like "it is meet that we should pay our bills." combining in one word instead of a meet helper or a helper meet it is helpmeet perhaps because the translators were uncomfortable with the egalitarian connotations.
I think it is deliberate. I also notice that along with some translations incl. oddly enough Douay Rheims, John and Colossians where it is written that all things were made THROUGH Jesus Christ, as well as by Him, the concordance only gives the word for "by," as if The Father didn't make them, Jesus did.
Give this trend enough generations of editions and rewrites, and enough modern increasingly bad translations, and popularization of gnosticoid thinking in churches, we might end up with a neo Valentinian concept of The Father didn't make any of that lesser stuff mere material creation, Jesus did it all, and then might add to that some idea like that He then had to clean up His mistake in doing so on the Cross or some such blasphemous notion.
The rest of you, you waste a lot of blog space in your arguing and condemning, instead of providing anything you think is useful. And you are often good as posting such drivel that I can't leave it unanswered for the sake of other readers.
"The rest of you, you waste a lot of blog space in your arguing and condemning, instead of providing anything you think is useful. And you are often good as posting such drivel that I can't leave it unanswered for the sake of other readers."
Yes you can; what you mean is that you WILL not. To date Constance is not enforcing her request that you restrict yourself to one post per day. I hope that she will consider deleting all but the first post that you make every day according to the blog clock.
As for the "sake of other readers" - we don't seem to be very grateful, for just about everybody who has commented on your contributions has commented negatively. It now seems that the opinion is mutual. Christine contra mundum, are we really all wrong?
Is anything pulling Uranus downwards, Christine?
You keep forgetting whose blog this is Christine so loving to make an issue of--let's guess--herself-making herself the crybaby pooh-pooh pants here trying to sound educated...but is really educated only in all things Christine. The world according to her and wow do those pants need changing. Standing on the playground and the bell has rung to return from recess to class and honey you missed your potty break (while too busy fighting.. just everything). (am familiar with schoolyard bullys myself). Your supposed help as this blogs "helpmeet" or helper(whatever!)...stinks.
anon 9:25 - if you read the link to the report on Harrington's findings, you will see for yourself. I doubt very much that this is going on now, though, if nemesis has moved from being under Uranus' orbit to under a more inward planet's orbit, and also farther down from than planet than from Uranus due to the shape of nemesis' orbit.
(The fact that someone tried to dismiss this as miscalculation doesn't prove anything, because if this thing is moving not just tilted but lengthwise below the ecliptic, then later observations would not give the same result because it would be out of range now.)
Instead of asking snarky questions, try reading the materials referenced first.
Christine,
Harrington was a trained astronomer who published in a reputable journal (Astrophysical Journal, or Ap J as it is known in the trade), but science has moved on since his paper. Around the time of his death the mass of Neptune was recalculated from its effect on a passing manmade spacecraft, and the new value eliminated the orbital discrepancies from which Planet X was inferred. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_x#Planet_X_disproved
Even if there is another planet, so what for the laws of celestial dynamics and for meteorites? This is routine physics, I am happy to say.
You wrote that Harrington, "just when he was setting up an observatory in New Zealand a better position to see a southern hemisphere viewable object, whose existence was indicated by effects on planets on the ecliptic, conveniently that's "CONVENIENTLY" (do you understand what I am implying here?) died of an unusually fast acting cancer."
If you are suggesting that his death was deliberate, which I do not believe, what was the motive and how and why did any killer(s) induce esophageal cancer rather than kill him by some other means?
Physics
The Jewish understanding of the role of woman.
Genesis II, 7 - Then the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis II, 8-17 The garden including the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the natural landscape which were given names by God. Again out of the ground were these things done. Adam was allowed to eat of the tree of life but not of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis II, 18 And the Lord God said: "It is not good that man should be alone, I will make him a help meet for him."
Genesis II, 19-20 Again out of the ground were formed every beast, fowl, etc. "but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him."
Genesis II 20-22 Adam was put into a deep sleep and He took one of his ribs, He made a woman and brought her to the man.
Genesis II, 23 Adam named her woman because she was taken out of man. Notice she was not formed out of the ground.
Genesis II, 24, 25 Here the woman is described as wife.
Commentary: A wife iss not a man's shadow or subordinate, but his other self, his "helper" in a sense which no other creature on earth can be.
"We have here a wonderfully conceived allegory designed to set forth the moral and social relation of the sexes to each ot her, the dependence of woman upon man and her close relationship to him, and the foundation existing in nataaure for the attachment springing up between them. The woman is formed out of the man's side; hence it is the wife's nataural duty to be at hand, ready at all times to be a "help' to her husband; it is the husband's natural duty ever to cherish and defend his wife as part of his own self.
In verse 22 the word made is lit. 'builded'; the Rabbis connected this striking use of the noun 'understanding; intuition and remarked, "This teaches that God has endowed woman with greater intuition than He has man.
This is from the Socino edition of the Pentateuch and Halftorahs edited by Dr. J. H. Hertz. Three and a half pages are given to sources. It is used in Conservative Congregations.
This gives the spiritual ideal of the role of man and woman. Man and woman are to work together in a spiritual relationship, forming one flesh. Neither is complete without the other. Both are to work together to fulfill the law.
My comment: The term Adam stands for man, not just male. Eve was given the name by Adam in Genesis III, 20. The spiritual rules that man must follow also pertain to Eve. If man could stand alone, a help meet would not have been created. If the characteristics were the same for both, why would a help meet have been created. If both are the same, both would have been created out of the ground. If it was just a matter of who gives birth, why in a sense would Adam have given birth to woman.
This is going to have to be two posts, because I am allowed only 4,096 characters. This subject requires careful explanation, and enough information that anyone can take this and run with it online to dig up more.
"Around the time of his death the mass of Neptune was recalculated from its effect on a passing manmade spacecraft, and the new value eliminated the orbital discrepancies from which Planet X was inferred."
Physicist, will all due respect, and apologies for my own snarkiness and impatience at times,
The mass of Neptune doesn't settle it. URANUS was also at issue.
Further, what was observed was minor orbital changes, indicating something below the ecliptic pulling downward.
This thing having travelled out of range by now, you could not expect to see this phenomenon now.
"If you are suggesting that his death was deliberate, which I do not believe, what was the motive and how and why did any killer(s) induce esophageal cancer rather than kill him by some other means?"
motive. stop the research. why? the assumption this fit the nibiru hypothesis (which was definitely on the table in some minds, since Zechariah masonic antibiblical agenda plant Sitchin interviewed him I guess for TV since this is available in a videeo now), public panic and chaos would be an issue.
motive 2. Here we get conspiratorial, but nothing not already shown in the UN and New Age documents.
depopulation. The less prepared the more will die, not only from catastrophes but from killing each other over resources.
power grab. Elites bugging into deep underground military bases (google DUMBS for this) and private versions would expect to survive, and emerge after the chaos settled a bit and take over.
The more any such disaster is mitigated, the less they have to gain.
Those who are eugenics minded, interested in new blood of equal superiority to their supposedly own superior blood, but worried about eventual inbreeding in future centuries, and in helping make the next level of human evolution in general, would be in a certain amount of minimal conflict with the former.
Enough to encourage such leaks (and crazy versions) so that those who are smart and capable will survive, their survival being proof of their fitness to breed with in future.
3. Velikovsky may have started the charge on this, I am not sure. But there has been a trend to explain away biblical miracles and disasters specified in The Bible as miraculous wrathful interventions by God, as merely natural phenomena.
The Flood of course is part of this scene, and placing it so also challenges God's promise in Genesis that there would never again be a flood to destroy all life on earth, and by implication never again any disaster that would be that much of a dieoff event.
Sitchin of course works along this line, as do various other sources, and Nancy Leider brings in the channeled alien nonsense angle on this. Which means that those who survive anything serious that they expect to happen, would be not only the more fit, but the more inclined to listen to New Age nonsense, leaving Christians in a distinct minority.
The Nemesis theory is not nearly as severe in its implications, but severe enough to still suit such interests.
part two.
It struck me on learning of the elite takeover after a disaster, that this is almost identical to Manson's idea, that he and his crew would somehow, by the murders, start a race war, and that in this war the Blacks would win, but are so inferior they can't handle anything, so after the dust settled Manson and co. would come out from their planned hideout (also underground I think), and persuade the Blacks to let them rule them for their own good.
Remove the racial agenda and hippy craziness, and you have a very similar idea. Given that elites hobnobbing with Hollywood types and miscl. lesser types, and incl. satanists among their ranks, it strikes me that Manson and the elites were drinking from the same poisoned well, obviously in spiritual and attitude terms, but also in rather specific future scenario terms.
The Denver Airport is an interesting study.
Does this say anything about what WILL happen? no. but it says something about what some people think like and think or hope will happen.
Now, as to technique of Harrington's murder, IF it was a murder.
Harrington was high profile and respectable (precisely what made him dangerous, but also made him untouchable). Though murders and staged suicides had not been dumped then altogether, or even in a few cases now, these people had begun to learn that when you off someone it immediately gives credence to whatever they were saying or looking into when they died.
The blowback of increased credibility in the public mind, regarding JFK assassination conspiracy, of all those witnesses who dropped dead under odd circumstances over the years must have taught them a lesson.
Cancer of a fast moving sort might be induced by exposure to polonium. Absent testing for it, or an autopsy, no reason to suspect it. There are probably other means. Not as fast as desirable from such a viewpoint perhaps, not as reliable, but better than nothing.
Now days the usual routine is to render the subject ridiculous, or discredit the messenger instead of killing the messenger.
A case in point now would be Richard Dolan and his analysis of the UFO phenomenon in terms of human technology and black budget and black operations and all kinds of rumors. Due to this, he concluded that there might be a breakaway civilization operational now, something that Catherine Austin Fitts has latched onto, focussing on its depredations earthside.
Because it runs on corruption, drug money laundering (Chase Manhattan is one of the biggest of these) and prostitution and suchlike, and of course there is that missing 3 trillion with a t dollars, which only took 2 or 3 months to sort out as an accounting glitch. Ms. Fitts was originally with HUD and exposed some of their fraud and so forth.
If it were an accounting glitch and not a reality it would take a lot longer than 2 or 3 months to figure it out. That was a whitewash.
Well, all of a sudden out from under some rock crawls two or three people who claim they have been a part of a CIA secret high tech time travel and teleportation project that runs bases on Mars.
Which makes it all look ridiculous. But leave out the time travel (impossible see Ilya Prigogine and the arrow of time) and teleportation (unlikely and unnecessary) and you have the breakaway civilization, Dolan's part of the picture. The fact these characters (incl. one who claims to be Pres. Eisenhower's granddaughter) are suddenly operational, means someone wants this whole subject put out of the category of acceptable discussion by sane people and/or Congress that might launch an investigation.
Christine,
Didn't you read the web reference I gave you properly? I wrote "Around the time of [Harrington's] death the mass of Neptune was recalculated from its effect on a passing manmade spacecraft, and the new value eliminated the orbital discrepancies from which Planet X was inferred." You replied: "Physicist... The mass of Neptune doesn't settle it. URANUS was also at issue."
I directed you to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_x#Planet_X_disproved
from which I quote: "Standish had used data from Voyager 2's 1989 flyby of Neptune, which had revised the planet's total mass downward by 0.5%... to recalculate its gravitational effect on Uranus. When Neptune's newly determined mass was used... the supposed discrepancies in the Uranian orbit, and with them the need for a Planet X, vanished."
So Uranus IS accounted for. You also wrote: "Further, what was observed was minor orbital changes, indicating something below the ecliptic pulling downward. This thing having travelled out of range by now, you could not expect to see this phenomenon now."
A massive body orbiting the sun, with an orbital plane tilted from the ecliptic plane, and which was beneath the ecliptic when near to one of the known planets, would indeed pull that planet down beneath the ecliptic. But astronomers are aware of that possibility, and no systematic effect was found in the residual noise once the mass of Neptune had been determined accurately.
Physicist
I - Physicist - don't buy the view that Harrington was murdered. He died of esophageal cancer and if that was caused by radioactive isotopes slipped in his food then he would have been suspiciously ill when that happened some months before - sufficiently ill that a diagnosis would have been insistently sought. Second, esophageal cancer takes some time to kill from its onset, and its onset comes an unpredictable interval after an insult (in the medical sense). Any killer would not know how long it would take for Harrington to die compared to how long his research would take to be firmed up and reach the public domain. You suggest the motive was to prevent the latter, but there are faster ways of killing someone and making it look like an accident. Moreover the nature of research is such that another astronomer would soon be ploughing the same field. One called Standish did, as mentioned in my preceding post, and he found no evidence for this celestial body in a peer-reviewed study. I hope you are not suggesting that Standish and his collaborators and reviewers are all in on a conspiracy.
Finally, if a large meteorite hits the earth - which neither we nor the alleged conspirators can influence - then the effects on human life are not going to be all that different a century later whether we are prepared or unprepared.
Not all conspiracies are equal, as someone said here, and there is no reason to suppose that Harrington was murdered.
Hello. I have not been here for a while, but see you are still publishing the blog. Blessings to all. I am OK but sad, as we all are. I have had radiation twice to lower my platelets, and I have not needed a phleb for 6 months. I found my Stuart line ancestor, which I had been looking for for years, because I have Porphyria s many of them did. My son is still an atheist. So my world is sad and hopeful at the same time. The New Agers are still at it, stronger than ever, now embedded with great success in the Mainline Churches which I have observed in my community and elsewhere. We need the Lord to come quickly to save us from the temptation which sits like a gargoyle on all the perches of our churches.
Blessings to everyone,
Mariel
More Christine crap having nothing to do with the New Age movement, just some flim flam she picked up on one of her crazy travels around the internet. It is obvious she needs these kinds of props to make herself feel important. We continue to be her couch. And Constance continues to disregard the New Age movement except for continued talk about Gold Lake which happened thirty years ago and some commentary about the news.
Naruek Yes, you a living a mixed blessing and I hope it only goes positive for you. Our children have been raised in a different environment than we have been, no matter the when your early years were and when theirs were. They see things differently and need a different set of wake up calls. I hope your son gets his in time for you to smile.
Dear Mariel,
I will pray for your son's conversion along with you. I will also pray for you.
I once read somewhere that God always answers prayers for the conversion of a soul. So do not lose hope. Just keep praying.
Pray, hope and don't worry.
Murial, please forgive my carelessness. I had my typing fingers on the wrong keys. The message for Naruek was meant for you.
Mariel, good to see you post here again.
My prayer group and I will be praying for you and your son.
We all have, I suspect, many we anguish over who are lost, but the Lord delights in "bringing many sons to glory". We don't understand the operations of His grace, but it never runs out!
http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/07/motorola-patent-points-to-electronic-neck-tattoos-that-double-as-microphones/
Motorola patents tattoos that act as microphones.
Mark of the Beast with full audio surveillance capability? - check.
karen hudes,... whistleblower...youtube....tony in vt
Constance,
These are definitely some of the birth pangs Jesus spoke of!
Oh, and thanks for the collapse comments suggestion, it's great. You're a kind soul for letting people have their say. However, there is nothing wrong with silencing an unrepentant trouble maker either, especially after repeated instructions are ignored. Christine Erikson has made 65 out of the 288 comments on this article alone (yikes!) and are completely irrelevant to the content of this post.
And now to the rest of the lambs here on this blog:
GOOD PEOPLE! - spread the word: Stop commenting on Christine's comments! I know, I know, it is hard for those who are sane to not try and correct an error, but some people are simply contentious, and that is what she feeds on - contention. She is completely unteachable, and is NEVER wrong in her own eyes, so stop,stop I BEG YOU, from wasting your valuable time on her.
The poor mixed up girl seems to be some sort of half-convert from another religion, like Mormonism, which embraces the idea of "alien" life on other planets. I'm exhausted by her dizzying diatribe. She has shown herself to be ignorant of the way of Christ, and apparently can't fathom literary devices in the Bible, and doesn't recognize any human authority, including the authority God ordained men have over women (I"ll bet she's bristling in her chair about that one!)in the teaching of sound doctrine.
So good people, leave her to her nearly unintelligible ramblings, as only Jesus can save her at this point, as I can well testify.
No one could correct me, I was ALWAYS right, so it was only by the Lord's effective use of physical chastisement, that finally got Him my full attention. And by that traumatic loss (which my own stubbornness brought upon me),He was able to completely save me from the great darkness of a false faith, that I was haughtily convinced was the true light, and gospel truth(Matthew 6:23). Truly He disciplines those He loves. I just pray that she doesn't wait that long to yield to correction.
Love in Christ,
Heather
Heather,
It is (now) for the sake of others who read this blog that I correct Christine on matters of physical science. I believe this is worth doing. The remedy for getting this blog back to where it was is in Constance's own hands. She has asked Christine to restrict herself to one post per day, Christine has trampled on this request, but Constance has not enforced her request, to date at least. It is her blog and we have to accept that.
Physicist
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