Here are the steps as I saw them THEN. Is any of this happening? Let me know what you think and what I may have missed.
The New World Religion
Copyright (c) 1994,1995 by Constance E. Cumbey
All. Rights. Reserved
1. New Agers believe recognition for a NEED·for the New World Religion will arise·from·a recognition of cults and their dangers, spiritual hunger, and conflict in human family. See Alice Ann Bailey, The Reappearance of the Christ, Chapter 6, pages 147-155. Cf. CRI (Christian Research Institute,SCP (Spiritual Counterfeits . Project), CAN, Cult Awareness. Network, EMNR (Evangelical Ministry to New Religions ), etc.
2. They will then explore religious facts we can AGREE upon.
3. The fact of GOD will be universally agreed upon.
4. Karma and semantic variations upon it will be increasingly expressed. In western religion it wi!! be based upon the biblical precept of "Whatsoever a man soweth, that will he also reap." . Karma.and . related semantic variations will be variously called "The Law of. Cause and Effect," "The Law of Reciprocity" (cf. Pat Robertson); The law of Rebirth, depending on the beginning religious/spiritual orientation of the presenter and the listener.
5. CONTINUITY OF REVELATION will be stressed. This should be carefully considered in view of ·Catholic/Protestant debates over SOLA SCRIPTURA and Protestant presentations of BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT and WORDS OF KNOWLEDGE. Traditional careful tests of what is and is not of God will be largely abandoned in hunger for "New Revelation," signs and wonders, abandoning past caution. of all such claims.
6. Doctrine of AVATARS or continuing saviors will be tied in with stress upon spiritual hunger of man and man's reaching out to God. Supposedly, God will respond with new messengers.
7. Man will be given an expectancy that ·another great REVELATION is on its way from an all caring God,
8. This new REVELATION will prove the truth of the IMMANENCY of God (that God is inside you and everything else).
9. We will also be told that God is TRANSCENDENT as well as IMMANENT. This is so we will have to LOOK outside as well as inside for new REVELATION. People who restrict themselves to Biblical consistency or Scriptural verification of these new "truths"will be increasingly marginalized -- inside and outside the Church.
10. A SCIENCE of prayer and worship will be stressed. Cf, "CONCERTS OF PRAYER (David Bryant); CENTERING PRAYER;CHRISTIAN MEDITATION in Christian groups. In New Age groups cf (compare with) TRIANGLES, MEDITATION GROUPS, etc. Praying will be done according to a FORMULA.
11. Hovering all through this is a belief in the establishment of THE KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH as "GOD REALIZED" peoples manifest "Christ," "God," ''The Holy Spirit," "angels," inside themselves as they increasingly absorb all of the above.
12. Astrology will be harmonized with the Bible and Bible Study and historical investigation will "reveal" that actually it is a counterfeited "Godly thing." Cf. Prophecies in Stone of Southwest Radio Church, Protestant beliefs that actually astrology stood for 12 Apostles, 12 Tribes of Israel, etc.
13. Throughout all of this the watchwords will be DIALOGUE and UNDERSTANDING in the interests of EVANGELIZATION. There will be presentations through CROSS CULTURAL MINISTRIES, and the missionary process, particularly of the Protestants, will be largely subverted in the interests of liberty to teach to indigenous peoples by stressing commonality with the native religions rather than a simple presentation of the Gospel.
14. CONNECTEDNESS and group exercises to make people feel CONNECTED wi!! be increasingly stressed. Sometimes this will be done to "promote righteousness." In the New Age the only "sin" is to be "the sin of separation. (Alice Ann Bailey). Cf. Promisekeepers, eastern rites, Native American Spiritualities and groups employing small group processes.Let me hear from you and remember to
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
209 comments:
1 – 200 of 209 Newer› Newest»Constance,
What is the opinion of "The ToothFairy" on Fr. Euteneuer that you mentioned you agree with? I can't find his comments.
Thank you,
Lisa
Hi Lisa,
Toothfairy said that Fr. Euteneuer was a legitimate exorcist. I would tend to concur.
Constance
These are just my opinions, but I think i will tackle these one by one.
1. I think in many ways this has already happened, though pieces are still falling into place. The shift of various doctrines toward mysticism and New Age thought is pretty complete at this point. There is yet to be the definitive binding point, but at this point it should be pretty obvious that such is coming.
2. I think through interfaith groups, this is at least partially under way.
3. I think to a certain extent this could be considered past tense as well. The debate even within politics is no longer if there is a god, but how people should come together in worship. How all religions should accepted as equal, etc. Even elements of science are now well within this spectrum.
4. I don't really think I need to broach this one too heavily, I think all can agree that the belief of Karma thickly permeates all of society. From name it, claim it to television programming this goose is cooked.
5. I think the fact that I am able to draw any relationship between #4 and the modern church pretty much lays this one to rest. I don't even need to cover other issues which will come up later in the list.
cont
More Solana EU news
"European Security and Defence College to award honorary fellowships to Javier Solana and to Karl von Wogau"
See
http://tinyurl.com/27rgbek
Constance
cont.
6. This one is a little trickier, as in some ways it has been disguised a little better. The plight of the world's suffering people has actually been one of, if not the biggest catalyst for the acceptance of these doctrines. Films like the Zeitgeist series, and gurus like Michael Tsarion and Jordan Maxwell have all become very mainstream by selling these doctrines to people looking to change the fate of humans suffering. Oprah also comes to mind, but she is a topic unto herself.
7. This is a very popular theme within charismatic circles right now, and is being sold lock, stock, and barrel to people trying to change the fate of this nation.
8. Close examination of those perpetrating #7 will prove this correct.
9. See 7&8
10. See 7,8,&9. We have discussed this very thing so many times in this forum, I couldn't even estimate a number to put on it.
11. This is a crucial doctrine of 7-10.
12. Astrology has become SO mainstream that most barely even notice it anymore. Some churches have embraced forms of it, while others are simply silent about it.
13. This is established practice in many of the mega churches.
14. I would answer this, but to be fair, I am typing this using the biggest tool for promotion of this type of thought the world has ever known.
In most of these, I associated how they have played out in the modern church. I thought most were obvious as to how it had played out in the secular and New Age community.
Constance - does the UFO belief stuff fit in with all this? Early Findhorn and Benjamin Creme come to mind.
There's seems to be an increase in news coverage on this in the past week or two on the UK's mainstream newspaper, 'Mail Online' website.
~K~
Did anyone catch this one:
UN names official space 'host'
UN names who will talk to aliens for earth.
http://tinyurl.com/22lrb6s
Thanks for the link Craig. The NYP report mentions an upcoming conference in the UK - maybe that accounts for the increase in news coverage on UFOs on the Mail's website.
~K~
How far we have come in 16 years! I'm sure in 94 you were viewed as coming from a different planet for creating such a list. Yet, it accurately describes the day in which we are living -- not in generalities but in specific detail.
Sadly, without going into detail on each issue, these issues are becoming common place in the evangelical church. As these themes merge with orthodoxy, I wait for the other shoe to drop -- have we reached the tipping point - or are we well beyond, rapidly picking up speed on the way down?
I know from experience that addressing these issues with tact and love within the church (at the local, state, and denominational leadership levels) has resulted in being viewed as out of step with what God is doing, some kind of ultra-conservative "wing-nut." for taking God's Word literally and daring to challenge error (and I'm a member of a conservative denomination!).
The Bible speaks of a delusion overcoming the world - I think that's already happening in and out of the church. It's hard to find people who are willing to seriously discuss these issues from a biblical perspective.
It's not hard to believe that in another 16 years, or a lot sooner, the world religion will be in full motion.
Thanks for sharing the list. I plan to spend more time reviewing it.
Dave in CA
I have an appointment this Thursday with a local pastor here regarding the words/actions of one of the deacons of this assembly. We'll see what happens...
I myself I'm contemplating the list of this thread. I'll post when I'm more clear-headed. (I'm tired from inadequately sleep.)
K,
Excellent question! Just today, while my husband and I were having lunch at a nearby eatery with a friend, I saw flash on FOX news items about military men making new revelations of UFO activity in past. There will probably be attempts to make us think "aliens" (demons) are planetary benefactors. Equally possible, even probable, is that when Jesus returns in the clouds of heaven to claim rulership of the world and the world unites against him, that there will be those convinced it is an alien space attack against earth which must be resisted.
Constance
Constance
Just a smattering from Google News link on UFO related items:
"Military Men Tie UFO Sightings To Weapons Testing
KTVU San Francisco - 1 hour ago
While some of the stories aired were standard UFO tales, others were entirely new. All of the incidents were described by one-time professional military men ...
UFO visits to nuclear facilities? Hmmmm. - Washington Post
UFO Press Conference: UFO Activity Near Nuclear Sites - Damego
Waves break on a stellar lagoon - msnbc.com
RT - Forbes (blog)
all 197 news articles »
Daily Mail
Alvin Lawson dies at 80; UFO researcher questioned beliefs of ...
Los Angeles Times - Keith Thursby - 1 day ago
Alvin Lawson, seen with a telescope in the early 1970s, became convinced over the years that alleged UFO abductees actually were using memories of birth ...
Los Angeles Times
UFO's, Nukes and Conspiracy Theories (Video) UFO Encounter in UK
National Ledger - Gene Byrd - 6 hours ago
Are those behind the controls of UFOs interested in our nukes? Conspiracy theories ran wild last week as the the United Nations was rumored to ...
National Ledger
Echo Flight UFO Incident Declassified by US Personnel
TMC Net - Erin Monda - 5 hours ago
Today, a number of former Air Force personnel have come forward, stating they had experiences with unidentified flying objects (UFOs) back in ...
UN appoints Alien & UFO ambassador
Allnewsweb.com - 1 day ago
In a move that seems to inch towards official global UFO disclosure and might even suggest that indeed aliens are on their way to openly meet Earthlings, ...
U.N. names Mazlan Othman Alien - UFO ambassador - Right Pundits
UN Should Name Obama and Carville as Official UFO Greeters - RushLimbaugh.com (subscription)
The Vatican and United Nations ready for Alien contact? - Examiner.com
SlashGear - AOL News"
Constance
I just noticed that Javier Solana's "Consilium" official European Union home page is still up. Unusual for one truly "retired."
Has anyone ever googled, "Project Blue Beam"? this is tony in vt/ this sounds a lot like deceptive lying signs and wonders by use of lasers and holograms so as to fool even God's elect if it were possible/ and it seems to fit this "image of the Beast" concept, perhaps? i havent looked or thought about this lately but you all are making me think of it as you speak of alien encounters etc. the project blue beam is intricate to say the least. Imagine ... they will worship the IMAGE of the beast! Adios amigos, -n- blessings.....
Thanks, Constance,
Then I can say that I agree with "The Tooth Fairy" (about Fr. Euteneuer), too!
I have met Fr. Euteneuer - he is rock-solid, a very holy man. Someone to take very seriously.
Lisa
Anybody know anything about folks running "The Volokh Conspiracy" spot? Here is something I just picked up on their spot relative to the UN, UFO thing:
"Curiously, this coincides with a long held view of mine — not that the UN need be the “take me to your leader” point of entry — but instead that global governance, in the strong planetary sense, only becomes a serious possibility, once the Vulcans arrive in our skies, passing through at the very moment that we achieve faster-than-light drive. At that point, assuming that the Vulcans actually engage with us on a pretty continuous basis and don’t flee, never to return, we are the defined by something else out there, so to as to create sufficient possibilities of uniting in order to deal with what is beyond. Governance is defined by borders, by what is excluded as much or more by what is included. (Cf. the great Stephen Krasner. Also, I rethought a bit of what I said and changed it.)
But it is also — my re-thinking this a bit — perfectly plausible that aliens deal with individual states. The traditional Star Trek Whiggish history assumes that progress requires that dealing with the out-there requires a single entity, but there is no particular reason that should be so. Aliens can deal with the US and China and the UN and Russia and whomever. It is not so obvious why any of this requires a central point of coordination. It depends on what our purposes are, and those of the aliens. Meanwhile, continues Othman:
[W]e should have in place a coordinated response that takes into account all the sensitivities related to the subject. The UN is a ready-made mechanism for such coordination.
Not everyone thinks the UN is a ready made mechanism for coordination. More likely is that there will be Five to Rule Them All — that’s the closest I could think the UN could get to coordination. As for take me to your leader … well, my estimation is that whether the aliens go to the UN or the US or China or Bhutan, we are easy pickin’s for a divide and conquer strategy, no matter who one talks to first or whether one starts with the UN as the ready made mechanism for coordination.. I think that the arrival of the Klingons or the Romulans would result in something very much like Cortes arriving in the Aztec empire. Lots of unhappy vassal states willing to make deals. I think Earth would be enslaved and perhaps turned into a giant alien ‘long pig’ factory farm faster than you can say, Have Spacesuit Will Travel."
http://volokh.com/2010/09/26/alien-frontiers-of-global-governance/
or http://tinyurl.com/28qu8j4
Constance
CHRISTIANS FOUND NOT GUILTY BY JUDGE IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN!!
"Christian Missionaries Acquitted of Disturbing the Peace at Dearborn Arab Festival
Eugene Volokh • September 27, 2010 2:57 pm
The Detroit Free Press reports:
A jury acquitted on Friday four Christian missionaries who were accused of inciting a crowd while videotaping themselves proselytizing to Muslims at the Dearborn Arab International Festival in June.... [The missionaries] were acquitted of breach of peace .... [One of the four] was found guilty of failure to obey a police officer’s order.... They were charged in July with disorderly conduct after police said they received a complaint from a Christian volunteer working at the festival who said he was harassed by the group....
Dearborn Mayor Jack O’Reilly Jr. was quoted as saying that, “It’s [apparently referring to the missionaries’ message –EV] really about a hatred of Muslims.” “That is what the whole heart of this is.... Their idea is that there is no place for Muslims in America. They fail to understand the Constitution.” Well, the Constitution protects speech that argues that “there is no place for Muslims in America,” and it certainly protects speech that aims at converting Muslims to Christianity — or Christians to Islam."
Found this on the Volokh site that evidently is a blogspot for people in legal education circles. I'm going to bookmark it.
Constance
as i look at your post Constance,my mind comes up with this right quick: Hocus pocus, with lucifer as the focus, of control. Darkness surrounds us./ or in the words/lyrics of Pink Floyd, in the most beautiful song off of the Dark side of the moon album, "US and THEM", ..."Hav'nt you heard, its a battle of words, and most of them are lies. Yes their plan is manifesting, every jot and tittle ,it would appear!tony in vt.
The Transportation Security Administration is expanding the number of employees with "secret" clearances to 10,000 -- one sixth of the agency's workforce.
http://tinyurl.com/22koopx
Personally, I think too many people have seen things in the skies for there not to be something transpiring. What it is, I can't say. Some have stated that UFO's are terrestrial craft, used to deceive the public. This wouldn't surprise me. The other option would be that these are not extra terrestrial, but extra dimensional beings. This I lean a little less toward, but can't completely rule out.
I saw a mathematical equation once that broke down how long travel at the speed of light from the Earth to the nearest known inhabitable planet would take. The result was in thousands of years. This is one reason I have to believe if these things are not man made, then they have to be something that has always been here.
Given the recent ramp up of public discussion on these matters, from government officials to Esoteric teachers, I believe we will know sooner or later. I can only say one thing for certain, I won't trust whatever the end result is.
JD thanks for pointing out Herescope and the NAR articles on DOMINIONISM. tony in vt.[ on the previous post, that is ]
Hi Lisa,
I too had the pleasure of meeting Fr. Euteneueur and I concur with you as well as with "Tooth Fairy" on him.
Constance
The first time I came across UFO information it was in Ernst Zundel's antisemitic literature. On the net there are many sites such as this
http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
dealing with the Nazi UFO theme. I've never looked further because the topic was much too broad, but it should be of interest here as the New Age movement is a resurgence of Nazism.
Dorothy
This is probably too obvious to mention but a couple of years ago or so the TV program MY NAME IS EARL was put on. The main theme is Karma. It is full of immorality and vulgarity but presents itself as a show about morality.
The Harry Potter article was informative. I note that the vampire fad is continuing and now there are little child vampires being promoted in the media. It went from Rice to the Twilight Series and now there is a series aimed at even younger kids.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/19/entertainment/la-ca-dick-jane-vampires-20100919
Just Google "vampires for little children and you'll find all sorts of stuff. Even Vampire Little Women, a story about Meg and Jo, et al as vampires.
UN denies naming point of contact for aliens
2010-09-28 17:55
VIENNA, Tuesday 28 September 2010 (AFP) - The United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs on Tuesday dismissed as "nonsense" a newspaper report which said it had appointed a new ambassador as a point of contact for extra-terrestrials.
"The article in the Sunday Times is nonsense," UNOOSA said in a statement, referring to a report this weekend which said the UN was to appoint Malaysian astrophysicist, Mazlan Othman, to be the first contact for any aliens.
Othman heads UNOOSA, a little-known department of the UN based in Vienna with a staff of 27.
Under a mandate defined by the UN General Assembly, UNOOSA's task is to promote international cooperation in the peaceful uses of outer space and strengthen the use of space science and technology applications.
"There are no plans to change the current mandate," the statement said.
According to the Sunday Times article, Othman was set to describe her potential new role as chief alien ambassador next week at a scientific conference at the Royal Society's Kavli conference centre in Buckinghamshire, England.
But UNOOSA also rejected this.
Othman would use the conference to "raise awareness" about topics such as space debris, asteroids, "as well as the annual World Space Week celebrations from October 4-10."
In an interview with AFP a year ago, Othman had joked that the UN Secretary General would be the one to "represent mankind ... if we do make contact with aliens."
Benjamin Creme believes there are aliens on every single planet in the solar system. This in spite of the fact that Earth is the only hospitable place in the solar system for life to exist in abundance. (Perhaps microbes live on other planets, but microbes don't talk.) He doesn't call them aliens, though. He calls them space brothers or master or some crazy thing. I'm not sure, but the Nazis certainly believed in telepathic communication with extraterrestrials. Creme believes in this as well. In fact, I think the "master" that speaks for him is one of these as well.
Even if they exist, I don't trust them at all. I believe them to be demonic.
Yes, this is truly an example of what a GOOD priest looks like...
Fr. Euteneuer Departs HLI, Will Return to Diocese
FRONT ROYAL, VA, August 30, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – After nearly 10 years of service to Human Life International (HLI) as its president, Rev. Thomas J Euteneuer has suddenly and very unexpectedly stepped down from his position after being asked by his bishop to return to his diocese in West Palm Beach, Florida.
In a press release announcing Euteneuer's departure, the board of HLI thanked the priest for his "leadership, hard work and dedication in carrying on the legacy of Fr. Paul Marx." During his tenure Fr. Euteneuer traveled more than one million miles as a pro-life missionary to the world.
Fr. Euteneuer wrote in a letter to supporters last week after the shock announcement that, "A priest is a soldier of Christ and the Church, and obedience is the primary virtue of his state in life, but for my part, my discernment about this decision tells me that this is the right thing for me to do and at the right time."
He continued, "I do not have a parish assignment in my diocese as of yet, but I hope to take some time out before I go back into full-time parish work. I expect that some time of rest and renewal will help me to make the transition. It has been 15 years since I last had any significant time for renewal, and after traveling more than 1.1 million miles, authoring two books, visiting 58 countries and making thousands of public appearances, I am ready for a break!"
In their press release the board added, "While Fr. Euteneuer's leadership at HLI and his influence on the pro-life movement around the world will be greatly missed, we are blessed to have gifted staff who will continue to carry out our mission while a search for a new president is undertaken."
Msgr. Ignacio Barreiro Carámbula, director of HLI's office in Rome, will assume Fr. Euteneuer's responsibilities until such time as a permanent replacement is named.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/
2010/aug/10083008.html
To BattleCreekDavid (9:20 AM)
Yes, I absolutely AGREE with you that aliens are demonic.
I just came across this interesting boast from Randy Clark on his Global Awakening Conferences site:
As many of you know I consider myself a student of revival. I love reading about it, studying it, hearing about it and most of all living in it. I recently read a book by Tommy Welchel called “Azusa Street: They Told me Their Stories.” It’s a powerful book about lives of people who were touched by the revival at a very young age. In reading this book, I realized this revival was marked by the Shekinah Glory of God. I read something else, though, that has gripped me ever since. In 1909 or 1910 (the writer is unsure), both William J. Seymour and Charles Parham prophesied that in about 100 years “there would be a return of the Shekinah Glory and a revival that would surpass the Works of God at Azusa.” I believe that as we go into this that we should expect the fulfillment of this prophesy which will bring us into a level of healing that we have not seen for 100 years.
The crowd that follows the phenomena that these folk promote include the folks discussed a few threads ago: Bill Johnson, Chuck Pierce, Lance Wallnau, JoAnn McFatter, and many others.
Listen to McFatter teach here:
http://wyattroberts.blogspot.com/2008/08/instructor-from-chuck-pierces-issachar.html
Unbelievable what this woman says! I'm sure Barbara Marx Hubbard would love this stuff! Maybe that's what's behind her goofy grin in the pics you see of her.
What blasphemy! McFatter teaches as a guest in the "The Convergence School of Supernatural Ministry" one of the so called "Hottest Schools" today. The network of these folk is widespread. All of these folk are under the "apostleship" of C. Peter Wagner who has been connecting with evangelical and political leaders. Most of these folk are of the "Tea Party" variety. Since many evangelicals and fundamentalists agree with most of the Tea Party's rhetoric, they are following these folk without realizing their aberrant foundational beliefs.
Constance, your "prophecy" of 1994 certainly is amazing.
YesNaSpanishTown
I just came across this interesting boast from Randy Clark on his Global Awakening Conferences site:
As many of you know I consider myself a student of revival. I love reading about it, studying it, hearing about it and most of all living in it. I recently read a book by Tommy Welchel called “Azusa Street: They Told me Their Stories.” It’s a powerful book about lives of people who were touched by the revival at a very young age. In reading this book, I realized this revival was marked by the Shekinah Glory of God. I read something else, though, that has gripped me ever since. In 1909 or 1910 (the writer is unsure), both William J. Seymour and Charles Parham prophesied that in about 100 years “there would be a return of the Shekinah Glory and a revival that would surpass the Works of God at Azusa.” I believe that as we go into this that we should expect the fulfillment of this prophesy which will bring us into a level of healing that we have not seen for 100 years.
The crowd that follows the phenomena that these folk promote include the folks discussed a few threads ago: Bill Johnson, Chuck Pierce, Lance Wallnau, JoAnn McFatter, and many others.
Listen to McFatter teach here:
http://wyattroberts.blogspot.com/2008/08/instructor-from-chuck-pierces-issachar.html
Unbelievable what this woman says! I'm sure Barbara Marx Hubbard would love this stuff! Maybe that's what's behind her goofy grin in the pics you see of her.
...continued...
...continued...
What blasphemy! McFatter even emphasizes "resonating". McFatter teaches as a guest in the "The Convergence School of Supernatural Ministry" one of the so called "Hottest Schools" today. The network of these folk is widespread. All of these folk are under the "apostleship" of C. Peter Wagner who has been connecting with evangelical and political leaders. Most of these folk are of the "Tea Party" variety. Since many evangelicals and fundamentalists agree with most of the Tea Party's rhetoric, they are following these folk without realizing their aberrant foundational beliefs.
Constance, your "prophecy" of 1994 certainly is amazing.
YesNaSpanishTown
(BTW my word verification is "enessane"--HA!)
Sorry for the double post. The message came up that my post was too large so I broke it up without realizing that it had indeed posted. Strange.
YesNaSpanishTown
(The word verification for this post is "kingon". Sometimes its just too funny!)
YesNa,
I'm currently transcribing the Todd Bentley 08/08/08 'sermon' with Bob Jones and Bentley speaking of the New Breed. In it Jones refers to God bringing the Holy Spirit "100 years ago" which is an obvious reference to Azusa Street. Jones then goes onto the say the next revelation (Jesus' Incarnation was the first), the third revelation, will be the Father. It will be the New Breed -- those who will be "Jesus's all over the earth."
Randy Clark wrote one of the two forwards in Johnson's book When Heaven Invades Earth. Bentley is one of quite a few of the NAR who endorsed it.
Anon 4:07
_Exactly like a popular comedy
cartoon called "Family Guy".
The opening theme song asks
"where have all those family
values gone?" etc., as if they
miss those days, and then they
proceed to show you where those
days have gone with some of
the raunchiest, nastiest, violent,
so-called humor you could
ever imagine, all mixed in with
more or less neutral stuff.
Don't leave your kids with
this Family Guy.
The UN recently held Global Leaders Compact Summit 2010. During this summit large portions of the private sector came together to renew their commitment to the advancement of the Millennium Development Goals. There are many business that shape everyday life involved. There is far too much info for me to adequately summarize.
http://www.unglobalcompact.org/
Here is information the MDG Summit that was held among world leaders. Consensus included the need for "advanced financial instruments" to be put to work to advance the MDGs and end poverty. The language reads eerily like plans for a global tax is desired for implementation. I am also including the outcome document for the summit. Again there is a lot of info here, that is nearly impossible to summarize in a post..
http://www.un.org/en/mdg/summit2010/
http://tinyurl.com/33l9m9u
http://tinyurl.com/24qdf6v
http://tinyurl.com/2awr2vp
From the Los Angeles Times...
Former CIA Director, Michael Hayden says: "The U.S. President should have the authority to shut down the Internet."
http://tinyurl.com/2flwaju
From CNN...
Former President Jimmy Carter has been hospitalized in Cleveland with an unknown health issue, according to a spokeswoman for Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.
Gold is now up to $1,308 an ounce!!!
A website promoting a Single World Currency
http://www.singleglobalcurrency.org/
R
Here is a piece that I don't remember seeing here before. This one stemmed from ESDinds Project, a two year research project funded by the European Commision. It is called WE Value, and is designed to recognize value based indicators and offer a educational platform based on such. The goal is to partner with Civil Society, Faith Based, and business organizations to change vale sets.
Founding partners include Earth Charter Initiative, European Baha'i Business Forum, and the Alliance of Religions and Conservation. There is also representation from UNEP.
www.wevalue.org
I wonder how the Phoenix monetary System ties in with Bancor?
http://www.imf.org/external/np/pp/eng/2010/041310.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/2bw94yf
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/bancor-the-name-of-the-global-currency-a-shocking-imf-report-urges-the-world-to-adopt
or
http://tinyurl.com/3xokpeg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor
R.
(Includes an open letter to Obama on the future of a Global Currency)
http://ec.europa.eu/education/jean-monnet/doc/conf09/tamames_en.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ypxlfx
The Future World Financial Frame - European & Asian Impulses in Favour of a Global Currency; The Summing up of a Lecture by Professor Ramon Tamames...
http://www.canonfoundation.org/_images/_2009_lecture/Madrid_18.11.09_Canon_english_.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/369zdgx
http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/people/knicolaidis/compendium.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/35dy4at
R.
R,
Interesting question, let me see if I can expand on the knowledge. The IMF is proposing the Bancor, a reserve currency based on Special Drawing Rights (SDR). Which is essentially nothing more than the oft repeated basket currency idea. This type is meant to have the impression of putting the world on a level playing field.
However, the UN, World Bank, and even the IMF would much rather have the Tierra as the reserve system. The Tierra is a system where the reserve itself is actually carbon offsets. Under this system incentives of prosperity can be doled out to those become the most efficient nations in terms of green technologies and sustainable development. If you are familiar with the ideas of cap and trade, this takes that idea and bends the entire economic system to meet it.
My opinion is that the Bancor is a way to get the conversation rolling, or even a possible bridge between the dollar and Tierra. Given some of the more recent reports from the UN Social and Economic Council, I believe they would prefer to skip the Bancor all together. This way they don't have to hassle with cap and trade in individual countries, but can achieve the goals in one swift motion.
This also fits better with idea of the Phoenix Economy being promoted by the UN. But, the conversation has to start somewhere, and the Bancor may be that.
http://tinyurl.com/2bw4335
http://tinyurl.com/27eeyyq
http://tinyurl.com/273fvdq
http://timun.net/index.php
http://www.singleglobalcurrency.org/documents/ecopyNo12008EditionTheSingleGlobalCurrencyCommonCentsfortheWorld_000.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/34mnas7
R.
Last link also obtainable from the University of Munich
http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/1175/1/MPRA_paper_1175.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/3y5zvkj
R.
http://www.eumed.net/cursecon/textos/Tamames-Env_Order.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/3azbqzb
R.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23554528/A-Ordem-Economica-e-Ambiental-Mundial
R.
'What Does a World Governed by Humanistic Socialism Look Like?'
Reshaping the International Order, Part 1
http://nwo.11syyskuu.net/Humanistic.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/2vsg9hq
R.
http://www.singleglobalcurrency.org/book_notes.html
R.
All these Humanists and World Government Planners are feverishly doing their planning and imagine they are saviors of humanity because they don't believe there is a God in Heaven who controls everything. They must think that if they don't bring about their Global Governance there will be chaos and misery. I guess there will be but only if God allows it.
The Single Global Currency - Common Cents for the World (2006 Original Edition)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/24297031/The-Single-Global-Currency---Common-Cents-for-the-World-(2006-Original-Editioin)
or
http://tinyurl.com/2woa2sv
R.
UNCCD United Nations Convention to Combat Desertification Land Day 2010
http://www.unccd.int/publicinfo/landday/2010/event.php#summary
or
http://tinyurl.com/2vxlw56
Land Day Report 2
http://www.unccd.int/publicinfo/landday/2010/docs/LandDay2Report.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/2v27y6g
Club of Rome Secretary General speaks at the United Nations
http://www.clubofrome.org/eng/cor_news_bank/29/
or
http://tinyurl.com/36kebbw
R.
I tend to agree 3: 07 pm,
the only point I'd add is that the same ones wanting the phoenix to rise, are the same ones sparking the fires that bring about the chaos in the first place.
R.
I've read "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" about 10 times. It has been an invaluable resource for digging into the internet to research.
But Constance, truthfully, I think New Age is "Old Age", when it comes to thinking about what is emerging in globalism. I think we are seeing a new paradigm pointing to new possibilities in end times scenarios.
Militant Islam and the increased focus on the similarities between Islam and Socialist philosophies intrigue me. And I believe it is very possible that Islam will be the Beast religion to come.
Whatever the New World Religion is, it will be one that serves the political and social needs of the ruling elite. Islam is the supreme example of the merging of religion and politics. And it is a PERFECT vehicle for enforcing all the sorts of control that global Marxism wants to assert.
New Agers are NOT the ruling elite. They are a small part of the vast spectrum of useful idiot groups representing minority and disaffected causes. They are a SYMPTOM; they are not the disease.
And when the Beast comes, New Agers will be just another disenchanted group left out in the cold. If they are lucky. Or, they will end up in front of a firing squad, along with the civil rights and gay rights and the animal rights and all the other useful idiot activists on the leftist frontiers.
Constance,
The Foundation of International Spiritual Unfoldment is little known but is growing rapidly and now has training centers in:
UK (Headquarters)
Austria, Cyprus
Denmark, Finland
Greece, India
Spain, Thailand
America, Switzerland
China, Hong Kong,
Germany, Hungary
I found this transcribed ‘satsang’ (2004. I quote here the guru as saying:
"...This organization is important above all others in re-educating humanity in the truth. The gospels of Christ 2000 years ago have served their purpose and have served their purpose well. But now, for man of modern day age, this message is not sufficient for him to understand and realise divinity... he now needs a new set of rules, a new way of experiencing divinity or truth...I have said and I’ve said it many times again that our work here is so very important in this new era of spiritual education..."
(All people will eventually be saved regardless of who they are, what they have done and who they have worshipped). Our children are being indoctrinated with this kind of thinking.
Lorna
Lorna
September 28, 2010
The Associated Press published a slightly different version of the shooting at the University of Texas in Austin, Texas this morning.
http://tinyurl.com/22sbzy3
'Credible But Not Specific' Threat of New Terrorist Attack
Officials in Europe / U.S. on high alert...
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-
credible-specific-threat-terrorist-
attack/story?id=11747364
Jonathan...spot on I think. Islam is the perfect model for the religion of anti-christ. We all to often neglect to see it for what it is. Personally, the last way I'd want to die is to have my head cut off with a dull knife at the hands of a fellow monotheist who hates me for being an 'infidel'. But the videos have been out there along with the facts. The fact is that they seek control and will get it. If we don't convert we can look forward to a hellish death. That's the promise they make. And they're making huge political gains all over the world using our liberal western political ideals.
Glad to see someone who understands the dangers of accepting this as a protected religion. It needs to be outright rejected. That's not likely to happen. God bless you.
Steve
JD,
Consistent with the "values" matter you just raised, tonight after the broadcast I found on the Earth Charter site, "ED-Assess: The Earth Charter Ethics Based Assessment Tool."
How much do you want to bet that you and I FLUNK?
CONSTANCE
JD,
Consistent with the "values" matter you just raised, tonight after the broadcast I found on the Earth Charter site, "ED-Assess: The Earth Charter Ethics Based Assessment Tool."
How much do you want to bet that you and I FLUNK?
CONSTANCE
To 5:34 Anonymous:
"New Agers are not part of the ruling Elite . . ."
Just what do you think the following are:
AL GORE
MAURICE STRONG
JAVIER SOLANA
STEPHEN ROCKEFELLER
etc etc etc et al ad nauseum
NEW AGERS ALL
CONSTANCE
OH,
OBAMA's very close links to OPRAH WINFREY (very much a NEW AGER)
VACLAV HAVEL (New Ager)
GORBACHEV (New Ager)
too many more to mention as I am in court VERY EARLY in morning FAR AWAY from here and I am up PAST MY BEDTIME!
Maybe you should read HD 11th time and digest the appendix in the back with the supplements then and compare them to the mischief now.
Sufi Islamists fit into the New Age plans. The "fundies" of all the religions, per their sophisticated scenarios are to make war on each other and they, the New Agers, will emerge as the Phoenix from the ashes, WHICH IS PRECISELY WHAT THE VERY NEW AGE ALLIANCE OF CIVILIZATIONS IS ALL ABOUT.
Sorry, Earth Worship, not "Allah" is where the New Age planners are headed and have been consistently headed.
Constance
Sorry, "Anonymous," guess it was JONATHAN I was addressing.
Constance
I agree with Jonathan and Steve. Islam isn't just a religion, it's a political system. It fuses religion and politics just like Revelations predicts, and it provides an overarching system for controlling society, not unlike Marxism.
I do see what Constance is saying about New Agers being part of the ruling elite. They certainly are, and have done a great job of laying the foundation for a one-world government through networking. However, this same largely Western ruling elite is HATED by a large amount of the world's population right now. Walk down the street and ask someone who is to blame for the world's current economic problems, and I bet you won't have to find three people before someone says, "The elites! The bankers and CEOs, and don't forget our corrupt government which is in bed with them."
Plus, consider this also: 1/5th of the world's population is Muslim--a population that's growing faster than that of the Western world. This population has no use for Western society and its ruling elites.
The New Age Movement does wield a great amount of power, but I see Islam as ultimately having the upper hand because of demographics (far more young, hot-blooded men willing to kill for their cause) and unwillingness to compromise (follow Islam, or die).
I believe the NAM will do a great job at setting in place the structure for a one world government. I think the NAM will successfully create the "Babylon" of Revelations--a one-world system opposed to God. But this won't be the Beast system. The Beast will "hate the prostitute", "strip her naked and burn her with fire"--in other words, the Beast system will hate and destroy the decadent Babylon world order.
Also, Islam is quite capable of blending in with Western society, including New Age ideals, if it wants to. A Muslim version of a New World Order wouldn't initially appear so different from that of the NAM. Check out this quote from http://www.awaitedmahdi.com/mahdi06.html
hmmm...who does the Mahdi sound like, and what about the world order being described?
"As has already been described, the Mahdi will come in the End Times and save the entire world from the terrible confusion, injustices and moral degeneration afflicting it. Many of the Mahdi's attributes are described in the hadith related from our Prophet (saas) and in various accounts from his companions. He will do away with ideologies that deny the existence of Allah, put an end to the continuing injustices, oppression and terror all over the world, ensure that people live by the faith as in the time of our Prophet (saas), establish the rule of Qur'anic moral values, and build peace and security across the world."
This task undertaken by the Mahdi is a very difficult and wide-ranging responsibility and one calling for considerable endeavour. There is a high likelihood that the Mahdi, who will assume and successfully discharge that responsibility, represents a spiritual entity due to reign during the End Times, as various Islamic scholars have suggested. Every spiritual movement has a leader, of course, and the blessed Mahdi is the leader who will appear in the End Times. (Allah knows the truth)
As we shall be seeing throughout this site, the portents of the End Times have one by one been taking place. The Mahdi is a spiritual entity encapsulating the devout soul of the virtuous, heroic and steadfast Turkish nation. As a legacy from the Ottoman Empire that once ruled over three continents, the Turkish nation will grow and become a super-power and, when the time comes, will base itself on Islamic moral values in such a way as to produce a modern, enlightened and peaceful world. That is the system of the Mahdi. But every spiritual movement must still have a leader, and the blessed Mahdi is the true leader who will be coming in the End Times.
By Allah's leave, the 21st century will be a most excellent age, in which people across the world will turn to the faith, and particularly in the nations of the West."
I tend to agree with Constance. I think that the radicals are being used as a convenient tool/pawn right now. Having lived in an Islamic area of Asia for the last 20 years, I have watched the rise of the radicals in recent years. I have seen the local elites use radical thugs as tools of political control or distraction and even just plain using them to gain lucrative properties. Many experts, local and foreign, believe that elites in the west are behind the funding and training of the radicals to use for their own purposes. I personally see this current preferential treatment in the US as deliberate, probably for the purpose of building rage in the rest of the population, designed to provoke more conflict. Until everyone is so sick of conflict and religious "fundamentalism" that they will turn en masse to a new all-inclusive spirituality.
Theoretically yes, the Islamic ideal of melding of politics and religion seems like it would be the ultimate in controlling people. But perhaps we in the west have forgotten our own history of what happens when religion and politics are blended. Any human combination of religion and politics can and does create tyranny. That's why people are waiting for the Messiah, the Mahdi, and/or Christ to return and rule. Most Muslims do try to be decent human beings. Islam itself has many factions and they are constantly in conflict with each other so they too dream of "unity". The reality on the ground is that the radicals are a minority. Though their numbers have increased in recent years, many believe it is largely because there is money behind it. Most Muslims are apalled at the violence and the violent rhetoric. Indeed as a result, there is a far greater interest in the gospel or other options than ever before.
On the other hand, there is also a dark spiritual side to "advancing" too far in that politico- religious system. I've heard many of that faith say frankly that they don't study their own religion too much because they have seen that it leads to a dark spiritual bondage. (Perhaps that is the connection at the elite level with the NA/luciferian elite?)
I think what's coming will be a blend that will appeal to spiritually hungry and disillusioned-with-the-corruption Muslims - and Hindus and every other religion - that they can embrace as "true" Islam/Hinduism/Christianity/etc.
Rosa
Hello Constance, I`ve emailed you info on Johanna Brandt (not a very clear copy-but all I have plus the postage stamp) Also info on Table Mountain and the values Clarification-paradigm shift info of Don Beck. Please note the point that the actions of a few will not be tolerated by the new established order and will be acted against?.. Crazy. It was info I filed for many years and hauled out again. I only sent you the very last `station` of consciousness- It was a huge chart and I photocopied it from a friend of mine (25 years ago!)This chart featured as a psychological tool for her husband as an industrial psychologist and he had it gilded framed for his office! I only saw the implications and what it really said- after reading your book Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow.
I tried to google this original map but only get some info on Spiral Dynamics/ Integral life/ Don Beck.
Please just indicate if you received my email?
Melinda
Needless to say, at the moment and based on my present knowledge and understanding, I tend to agree with ROSA, but I respect the opinions and thoughtfulness of the others. The New Age books I collected starting in 1981 that themselves date from much earlier almost universally carried the theme that the fundamentalist elements of "Peoples of the Book" would be pitted against each other and this would enable the New Order to emerge.
This theme was particularly stated in these books:
REVELATION THE BIRTH OF A NEW AGE by David Spangler
THE ARMAGEDDON SCRIPT by Peter LeMesurier
THE RAYS AND THE INITIATIONS by Alice Ann Bailey.
Constance
Needless to say, at the moment and based on my present knowledge and understanding, I tend to agree with ROSA, but I respect the opinions and thoughtfulness of the others. The New Age books I collected starting in 1981 that themselves date from much earlier almost universally carried the theme that the fundamentalist elements of "Peoples of the Book" would be pitted against each other and this would enable the New Order to emerge.
This theme was particularly stated in these books:
REVELATION THE BIRTH OF A NEW AGE by David Spangler
THE ARMAGEDDON SCRIPT by Peter LeMesurier
THE RAYS AND THE INITIATIONS by Alice Ann Bailey.
Constance
Hi Johanna,
Jan Christian Smuts and his book HOLISM has been part of my library since the early 1980s. I had two copies and gave one to Jewel Vander Merwe (now Jewel Grewe) and she still has that copy, to the best of my knowledge. Her husband, Travers van der Merwe was from South Africa and that's why I thought they would be interested in that phase of it.
Constance
OVERLORDS OF CONFUSION? THEY SHOULD KNOW! A VERY CLEVER COUNTERFEIT
Satan’s game has always been confusion.
I have just come from nearly two hours of viewing when I should have been sleeping the very clever/diabolical website, OVERLORDS OF CHAOS. It purports to be anti-New Age, anti-Illuminati, anti New World Order, anti-Population Reduction.
The site is clearly ANTI-SEMITIC.
The site is CLEARLY ILLUIMINATI and I can prove same with competent evidence.
Rudolf Steiner was during his time the acknowledged head of the European Illuminati. Rudolf Steiner was a dedicated Luciferian. He wrote freely that when Jesus promised the sending of the Holy Spirit, he meant the Lucifer Spirit.
This site is CLEARLY AN ANTHROPOSOPHIC SITE, A MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT IN AND OF ITSELF! I discovered this when I started finding references to AHRIMAN, an anthroposophical concept.
The Anthroposophical Society was founded by Rudolf Steiner who was head of the German Theosophical Society.
I have downloaded the ENTIRE SITE and saved it to PDF form just in case they try to purge the tell-tale elements that give it away as NEW AGE when it in fact purports to convince people it is FIGHTING the New Age.
FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION! 1 Corinthians 14:33
"The chosen people of Yahweh were the Israelites, and especially the Judahites whose bloodline played acrucial part in the outer ritual of the Crucifixion. However, because of Chris's triumph over Evil on theCross at Cavalry this special status was removed from them. For, the Judahite blood had adulteratedand had become gall and would play no further significant part in the evolution of humanity. This issymbolically expressed in the story of the Crucifixion when the Roman soldiers cruelly mocked the dyingJesus by offering him the sponge of vinegar (Matt. 27:48; Luke 23: 36). Thus, at this most momentousevent in human history, the eugenic imperative put in place by Yahweh was replaced by the new BloodCovenant for all mankind. However, although the Judahites had served humanity well by providing the perfect humanvessel for the Incarnation of Christ by the time of Jesus' birth the Judahite people had become corrupted by theTalmudic mindset that was inimical to both Christ and His Mission."
OVERLORDS OF CHAOS??!! THEY SHOULD KNOW, THAT IS THEIR GAME. BEWARE AND DO NOT TAKE THE BAIT!
CONSTANCE
Constance, What do you think about this website?
http://vigilantcitizen.com/
An excellent on line article I just found about the deceptive practices of Anthroposophy/Steiner and its Luciferianism. The gall of the webmaster of OVERLORDS OF CHAOS to pretend they were fighting Luciferianism. They ARE Luciferians!
http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles/lombard.html
Constance
To Anonymous 6:11
Considering I spent the better part of a mostly sleepless night on OVERLORDS OF CHAOS, I haven't had a real chance to scrutinize "vigilantcitizen.com", but superficially, it has apparent similarities to OVERLORDS OF CHAOS. I will have to review later -- hopefully, I'll get some sleep somewhere in between time. Not not, I have to dress and leave for court.
Constance
Regarding the earlier comment that Muslims comprise about 1/5th of the world's population, I would say that Christians are roughly the same amount. HOWEVER, how many of either group are actually faithful to their respective faiths? My belief is that many of these 'beliefs' are merely a result of culture. If you ask the average American which religion they identify with most will say Christianity as that's what most Americans know culturally. It's worse in many Islam dominated regions as to profess another religion besides Islam can mean a death sentence.
vigilant citizen is an occult website that practices the idea that now it the time to teach the uninitiated masses the mystery religion of babylon ...
there are enough fleshy reasons not to watch music videos, or listen to the popular music without having to learn what every symbol means ... if you follow these websites long enough you find the knowledge of the occult replacing the knowledge of the Bible...
if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck ... we don't have to count every feather to know its a duck ...
this is why i refused to listen to scott johnson on contending for the truth.com...
i find these vigilant citizen people doing the same thing... i also believe they are somehow connected to the 7th day adventists...
want to see something strange? i wonder if they are still up? google videos of president bush and hillary clinton praising 7th day adventists~!!wow~!
Jonathan, Rachel, and Steve have made some excellent points.
The UN-AOC Rio Forum report contains enough fodder to placate the new age crowd, i.e. plenty of sustainability/unity/Earth Charter kudos. But the Alliance of Civilizations remains at it's heart and soul, a tool of Islam. If the UN-AOC is now, as they claim, the main org driving the globalist agenda, that means Islam is in the drivers seat.
The fundamental concepts of "unity", "tolerance", and other key AOC building blocks, are clearly defined (approved) by the OIC and other Islamist groups. The AOC model is based on the ideals of Cordoba, Al Andalusia, the achievement of a sustainable "peace" through global dhimmitude.
http://www.unaoc.org/
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75750
omots
Who's using whom? Is Islam playing the New Age or is the New Age playing Islam? Why is Islam where it is today? It's in the Bible, believe it or not:
Genesis 16: 8-12
8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
If you jump to Revelation, there is a reference to Mystery Babylon. It does not fit the description of Islam, but the New Age Movement. In fact, if you read "Hidden Dangers" ten times, you would've read how it lines up with Biblical prophecy. Constance connected these dots many years ago. I'm not trying to make her sound old by the way.
I believe Islam has done many evil things. I believe that it provokes it's followers into violence. It provokes a warped sense of martyrdom. Christian martyrs wouldn't hi-jack passenger jets and slam them into buildings. We just take up our cross. However, to say the New Age Movement will lose it's influence is naive. It has gained a worldwide acceptance and has found it's way into Churches around the world. Sorry, but you haven't done enough homework to jump to the conclusion you have.
Company that Obama said would rehire workers, if stimulus passed, plans to open new factory...in CHINA!!!
Caterpillar to install factory in China (09/29/10)
NEW YORK (AFP) – Caterpillar, the world's largest manufacturer of construction equipment, will build a factory in China to produce mini hydraulic excavators, the company said in a statement.
Construction will begin in Wujiang, near Shanghai, at the end of 2010 and the facility should be ready in 2012 to begin production of mini excavators of less than eight tons, the company said Tuesday.
Caterpillar did not say how much the project will cost.
It is part of a long-term plan for investments in China that will make Caterpillar one of the leading manufacturers of construction equipment in the country.
"China is the world's largest market for excavators in the below eight ton class, and the development of this new facility will better position Caterpillar to provide our customers in China with solutions that will help them succeed," said Mary Bell, a Caterpillar vice president.
Caterpillar already has a factory in Xuzhou, which is also near Shanghai.
The company, which is headquartered in Peoria, Illinois, had sales and revenue of 32.4 billion dollars in 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/25uqrcr
TSA's Secure Flight Program
http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layer
s/secureflight/
Thanks JD (at 2:19PM), Your reasoning is astute. I hadn't seen your post already,that's why I'd continued to post without first acknowledging you.
R.
Haiti Still Waiting For Pledged US Aid
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Sept. 29)
Nearly nine months after the earthquake, more than a million Haitians still live on the streets between piles of rubble. One reason: Not a cent of the $1.15 billion the U.S. promised for rebuilding has arrived.
The money was pledged by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in March for use this year in rebuilding. The U.S. has already spent more than $1.1 billion on post-quake relief, but without long-term funds, the reconstruction of the wrecked capital cannot begin.
With just a week to go before fiscal 2010 ends, the money is still tied up in Washington. At fault: bureaucracy, disorganization and a lack of urgency, The Associated Press learned in interviews with officials in the State Department, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the White House and the U.N. Office of the Special Envoy. One senator has held up a key authorization bill because of a $5 million provision he says will be wasteful.
Meanwhile, deaths in Port-au-Prince are mounting, as quake survivors scramble to live without shelter or food.
"There are truly lives at stake, and the idea that folks are spending more time finger-pointing than getting this solved is almost unbelievable," said John Simon, a former U.S. ambassador to the African Union who is now with the Center for Global Development, a Washington think tank.
For more...
http://tinyurl.com/2fanlxq
R,
No worries, glad you saw it. You seem to be very interested in the economic end, which a lot of other people don't pay as much attention to. In many ways economics can be one of the largest driving forces of change, if the economics changes then the world will change with it. I have spent a great deal of time getting to know the how, what, who, and why that is involved with the way the system is changing.
It gets a little dicey because there are so many sides of the equation and understanding how each piece is significant on its own, yet how it is connected to all of the other pieces is challenging. Technology is changing the economy as much as monetary systems are, which adds a whole other side.
I have a lot of pieces up in the comments section of my blog that add onto where my articles leave off. If you are interested, there is plenty to read through that might add to your understanding.
Wine VooDoo, learn something new a creepy every day
http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-11-19/news/voodoo-on-the-vine/1/
An earlier post included a link to a site that exposes Waldorf Schools. I have read several articles. Here is an excerpt from one of them written by a Jewish woman.
ANTHROPOSOPHY: The Best-Kept Secret of Waldorf Education?
Although Anthroposophy does not claim to be a religion, most of Steiner's writings expound on mystical realms, "supersensible beings," karma, reincarnation, Atlantis, astrology, numerology, phrenology, and various occult topics. There are thousands of followers of Anthroposophy worldwide, some of whom claim to practice "Anthroposophic medicine" or research "Anthroposophic science" while maintaining that they are not in any way following "Anthroposophic religion."
Anthroposophic educators within the Waldorf schools describe Anthroposophy as a "highly complex esoteric philosophy" that is not taught to Waldorf students. Waldorf teachers, however, in order to be certified as such, are required to read a great many of Steiner's books [see sidebar]. It is fair to say that Waldorf education, like Catholic education, may not teach theology to elementary or secondary school children, but is nonetheless directed by its particular world view. Steiner himself wrote, "We do not educate the child for the age of childhood, we educate him for his whole earthly existence, and even...for the time beyond" (The Roots of Education).
"Survivor groups" of ex-Waldorf parents who did not know of the belief system of Anthroposophy before they enrolled their children in the schools are springing up in the U.S. and U.K. "Anthroposophy is the best-kept secret about Waldorf education," one parent told me. These parents thought they were enrolling their children in progressive schools with an emphasis on art, music, and planting gardens. Indeed, favorable write-ups about Waldorf education and its emphasis on the "natural child" have appeared in such notable publications as The Utne Reader and Teacher Magazine with little or no mention of Anthroposophy's spiritual beliefs.
Some parents hit their respective ceilings upon finding out that their children are being asked to perform odd tasks consistent with these beliefs -- such as the lighting of daily candles to an angel in the classroom (the angel figurine represents Chri-- in his role as a "sun god") -- or when they find out that their children are being taught that there are twelve senses, corresponding to the twelve signs of the zodiac.
But some parents (and certainly many children) live through full terms of Waldorf preschool, primary, and secondary education without noticing anything too strange. Or if they do, they attribute this strangeness to a school philosophy that doesn't interest them; many parents believe Anthroposophy really has very little to do with the actual positive learning experiences of children in the classrooms.
Other parents become fans of Anthroposophy. One Jewish parent of two children enrolled in a Waldorf school told me he found many aspects of Steiner's work appealing. "Within Judaism," he said, "[Chassidut] certainly has some beliefs that are as weird upon first examination as anything Steiner ever came up with... Based an Lurianic Kabbalah, it certainly has angels, reincarnation, and posits a very complex spiritual realm." He sees some real difficulties for a Jewish parent with the Christian mysticism of Steiner but believes that the classroom experiences his children have within Waldorf are worth some dissonance.
BattleCreekDavid,
But I actually agree with you that Mystery Babylon fits the description of the New Age Movement. Here's where I differ from you: Revelations 17, which mentions Mystery Babylon as "the prostitute", then goes on,
16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
So it's clear that the "beast" (presumably the antichrist or the government of the antichrist) "hates the prostitute"--ie. Mystery Babylon, ie. the New Age Movement--and completely destroys her.
Is it possible for someone within the New Age Movement to also "hate, bring to ruin, strip naked and burn" the New Age Movement?
That's what I'm wondering.
I actually have read Hidden Dangers of a Rainbow, as well as A Planned Deception (not ten times, mind you!)and think Constance did a great job at showing how the New Age Movement lines up with Biblical prophecy. I have been reading about the New Age Movement and related deceptions (such as the New Apostolic Reformation) for about three or four years. Where I differ from the view of many people here is that I also see Islam as a significant player in the end-times and not just one of the three monotheistic religions that will submit to the New Age Movement in the last days.
I agree with Constance that in the near future, there will be a world conflict where "fundamentalist" members of all three "peoples of the Book" will be pitted against each other, and that remaining moderates from these religions will submit to the New Age Movement for the sake of peace. But we know from Bible prophecy that a remnant of both Christians and Jews won't both submit to the government of the antichrist. So why should we believe that all Muslims will become moderate enough to submit? I think Islam has shown itself very capable of blending in with Western society when it wants to, then turning on it and attacking it from within. What if a core group of Muslims pays lip service to the New Age Movement, gain power from within, and then overturn the global system set up by the NAM?
I respect the research Constance and everyone else is doing and I agree with most of it. I just think there might be further elements to the end-times scenario that we're overlooking, because we're (rightly) paying a lot of attention to the New Age Movement and its literature. But if Satan is capable of using the NAM to deceive the world, he is also capable of deceiving the NAM. If we're only looking for New Age buzzwords in policy platforms and literature, we naturally won't pick up on Muslim plans for global dominance and therefore will dismiss Islam as dangerous but comparatively insignificant. But how much do we really know about the Islamic ummah and Muslim dreams for a restored caliphate? How often do we look for ways in New Age goals could be interchangeable with Muslim goals?
Someone here mentioned links between the Islamic cultural centre/mosque in New York, and the New Age Movement. Maybe the connections and differences between Islam and the NAM are worth exploring further.
BattleCreekDavid asked...
"Is Islam playing the New Age or is the New Age playing Islam?"
The question itself exposes a false dialectic. The answer is that both are merely tools. One is the proper tool for screwing, the other for hammering. An assortment of tools is usually needed to complete a demolition or construction project.
Granted, establishing a common set of core values shared by the major religions of the world, (i.e. the "work" of the A.O.C, World Parliament of Religions, Tony Blair's Faith Foundation, and countless others) is at the heart of the political/religious synchronicity, or "unity" framework envisioned by the New Agers.
Yet every move or gain the "New agers" have made, every "religious" unity forum, every international agreement, indeed every single "politically correct" deal forged by the "New agers", has been of great benefit to Islam.
Islam is the most obvious vehicle for the "world unifier", the coming Mahdi, or the "new age christ", to be driving. According to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a Moslem can call himself a "Jew", or can call himself a "Christian", and yet remain a devout Moslem and not sin against Allah.
The Koran teaches that Jews and Christians, the "people's of the book", are Moslems who just don't know/realize/understand/or have yet come to accept this enlightened fact. (Sura 5:15, Sura 29:46, Sura 2:62, many others). The coming "Mahdi" will make this point crystal clear, either by gentle yet powerful persuasion, ingenious diplomacy, or by the sword if necessary, whatever it takes.
There's an excellent interview with Imam Rauf over on the Atlas Shrugs website. He seems to think of himself as the "coach" in a vast cosmic mind game, and claims that he "plays" world leaders, (including President Obama, Clinton, and Tony Blair), like useful idiots.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/atlas-exclusive-imam-rauf.html
http://tinyurl.com/2cr6mdf
omots
Imam Feisal is Sufi. For those wanting to study the hand in glove fit between the NA and Islam....he's a very good start:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/interviews/feisal.html
http://tinyurl.com/ydq25p
Rachel @ 5:32 PM:
There are many people who believe that 'the great whore of Babylon' is the United States of America!!!
test
I posted this comment and links here last year. It looks like the web links are still good. This is worth another look in light of the connection between Islam and the New Age...
The 5th International Conference on the Doctrine of Mahdism
4-5 August 2009, Tehran
”Thema: Society and government which prepare the ground of the appearance:
Missions and strategies”
“Peace be upon the spring of creation and the delight of era.”
http://www.mahdaviat-conference.com/vdcakyn0149ny.gt4.html
Of particular interest to me was a paper entitled,
“Belial, Antichrist, and Dajjal: Personification of Lawlessness in Abrahamic Eschatology; Signs to the Rightly Guided World”
by H.R Wright
Source : scientific committee of the international Mahdism doctrine conference
This paper lays out a comparison of the Jewish, Christian, and Moslem perspectives re the appearance or, reappearance, of the Mahdi, Messiah (messiah), Christ (christ), World Savior (server). It’s worth a look even though obviously slanted towards the Islamic perspective. This study concludes with the following statement:
“Our participation becomes a bright and shining sign of the preparation of the rightly guided world.”
“~Wa’Llahu a’lam: And Allah knows best.”
http://www.mahdaviat-conference.com/vdceb78fijh8w.k1j.html
BCD, I have obviously done my homework. Have you done yours?
omots
David, Rachel, OMOTS, etc
I think the conversation being held has taken some interesting turns. While I don't want to postulate too much, there are possible answers that I haven't seen posed yet. Could the reason that it is said that the beast will turn on the harlot be due to the perversion of the Esoteric doctrines? Too much acceptance of other doctrines in order to sell it publicly, without proper reference to who the Esoterics give credit?
I like everyone else do think Islam has a larger role yet to play. What it is I am not sure yet. I don't think any of us can say with any level of certainty. The AoC does cater to Muslims. The New Agers are bending over backward to accommodate them. This much I can't argue with, but I also think we all can agree that some form of synthesis looms on the horizon. I also think we all can agree that if applied evenly the rule book of the AoC would put a heavy hammer down on the people of Hubal.
Where this ends is the game being played. It has been said that the New Age will be like a cruel joke to even many of it's adherents. While I have to admit, I just don't know, I do like how it is being discussed.
Constance did you hear the news about the new terrorism threat in Europe? The French is also expelling the Gypsies. It reminds me of the Donauswabian (Swabins Germans of the old Danube)expellsion of ethnic germans out of yugoslavia in Oct 1944-1945 by Tito and made to go back to Germany on marches that led to genocide of many to Jarek concentration camp. Just because of what they were. Land given to them by the Hapsberg empire. To make the further Austrian-Hungrain empire. Now the Gypsies how terrible. The world is in a huge mess may God help us all.
Tony Blair's Face to Faith global schools program and Clinton's Global Initiative push UN MDG's as well as open up the school door for the Muslim foot:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100922/pl_usnw/DC69872
Constance,
Hear are some of my observations and speculation.
I think you are right on in your analysis in many areas.
I think you are dismissing the Roman Church in thinking it is not an 'actor' in the end game.
The roman Church denies the Protestant's faith toward God as invalid, yet makes statements that Islam and Eastern Religions have their own path to the Creator.
Today, the head of the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, is still called the Pontifex Maximus.
http://bit.ly/4ZYv1z
It's a political or governing office that has been in existence and in perpetual use for nearly 3,000 years.
I do not see the Church separating itself from the title and all that it represents.
Does the title carry weight? If not shed it and repent of the mixture, if it does, it may be a tool for the final culmination of global effort.
Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
I see the end game being dualistic in nature. A marriage of convenience if you will.
The regional approach of the Global Governance paper you posted could be that of the 10 toes of the image.
The feet and toes could be conceived as being the Clay-Luciferian-Religious and the Iron-Political-Exalted Man.
Thanks,
Dan
Compassion desirable, while conceit is blind........db
test
" "Is Islam playing the New Age or is the New Age playing Islam?"
The question itself exposes a false dialectic. The answer is that both are merely tools. One is the proper tool for screwing, the other for hammering. An assortment of tools is usually needed to complete a demolition or construction project."
This quote by Anonymous is perfect!
Constance
You might want to check something out. Tooth Fairy who posts from over the pond has been unable to post anything to the blog in the last 24 hours. I know you don't censor anyone so do you know if there has been any problems with posting to the blog experienced by anyone other than Ashcraft?
Dorothy
Hi Dorothy,
Nothing that I am presently aware of -- the only thing that I have limiting participation on this blog comment forum is the "word verification" which is done to make sure it is not a machine posting repeat spam.
Constance
I've had Waldorf teachers consult me and tell me that they were totally frustrated with their teaching experiences there -- they weren't allowed to really teach and the "eurhythmics" and improvised spellings left the kids worse off academically than before. They weren't really learning, just feeling. Some may learn DESPITE this. A reporter in the Detroit area confided in me in 1993 that a Waldorf Charter School (receiving governmental education money) chastised a student "for bringing disgrace upon the good name of Lucifer."
A Waldorf teacher told me he had been reprimanded for failing a student on a spelling test who had failed the spelling test -- "it damaged the child's self esteem."
Constance
Looking at the OVERLORDS OF CHAOS website, the Anthroposophical anti-Semitism is OBVIOUS.
Constance
On the Waldorf Critics website there is an excellent article showing the connections between the Green movement and the antisemitic anthoposophical society. The Green party movement is growing here in the US.
http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles/Staudenmaier.html
I knew a decent lady who was generational Anthroposophical. Her daughter went to Waldorf schools through high school here in Chicago. Her beliefs were very strange. I went to a school holiday presentation which was very esoteric. Being generational, she had no idea how strange her views were compared to others.
Waldorf schools were part of the largest private school system in the world. I think the Gulen schools have surpassed them.
Obama has promoted charter schools.
Dorothy
Dorothy and Constance,
Thanks for checcking this out for me. The strange problem with posting appears to have stopped at least for the moment.
The Tooth Fairy
Dorothy,
Waldorf School is very trendy. I have some Anglican (Episcopalian) acquaintances who are heavily involved with it. They are highly educated, very involved at their church, and no, they don't want to listen to reason.
Might as well be letting your kids play with Ouija boards on Sunday before the family leaves for services.
The Tooth Fairy
Remember this a week or so ago
Retired NORAD officer predicts October 13, 2010 as the tentative date for a fleet of extraterrestrial vehicles to hover for hours over the earth's principal cities.
Now this from blossom godchild’s sprit guild dated 29 sept 2010
May we speak candidly? Preparation is underway to ‘surprise’. It has been deemed that this is to now be the most secure avenue. Therefore we say to you to be on RED ALERT.
http://www.blossomgoodchild.com/
I wonder what Benjamin crème will have to say in his Oct post
Amanda
A similar Blossom Goodchild rumour was circulating in October 2008! As I remember, a "large lightship" was supposed to appear in the sky on a specific date. It didn't happen, and days later she turned up with a channeling that things had been delayed or something like that. People were disillusioned, but I was amazed at how many of her followers swallowed that and prepared to wait for the REAL lightship appearance whenever it happened.
Blossom Goodchild? Please tell me you're joking!
By any chance is she related to Truly Scrumptious?
The Tooth Fairy
Dear Amanda,
It's truly amazing what they can
do with holographics these days.
Between awesome 3D images in
thin air, and state of the art
Photoshop, etc.,
the opportunities for big time
deception have never been so
good, and so tempting to use
for our self appointed handlers,
er,... socio-engineers, um, I mean,
leaders.
I'm just waiting for an "alien
invasion" any day now.
NATO aircraft entered Pakistan this morning (09/30/10)...
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/new
sdesk/SGE68T0IB.htm
It doesn't look to me like this has been addressed in the comments, but I really see the focus on "good works" being used to draw different types of "christianity" together. In Emerging terms it's social justice, in Purpose-Driven/ Seeker-sensitive terms you have Rick Warren's P.E.A.C.E. Plan, and among the NAR you folks like Ed Silvoso claiming that "eradication of poverty is the sign of transformation of an area"- see also the Transformations videos.
Also the spiritualizing of environmentalism seems to be something these groups are moving toward. I could see a hybrid "christianity" based on social justice, environmentalism, and a few other things.
I've been wondering how the liberal "social justice" types will overcome their political differences with the largely right-wing NAR people. It seems to me this is an area of agreement they might exploit.
Portia,
Your comment is both absolutely correct and quite timely. As the subject of "good works" becomes a focus within the heretical groups, so too are the calls for global governance changing. My 11:45 am and 11:58 am posts in this thread are a perfect example of what I mean. Global taxes are now being sought for the purpose of poverty reduction. While more and more "Christian" authorities are promoting microcredit and other poverty reduction platforms through groups like World Vision, so too are the focus of the globalists changing.
Dan Bryan said: "The roman Church denies the Protestant's faith toward God as invalid":
Please let me correct the ignorance of this comment by quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church (the OFFICIAL TEXT OF THE TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!).
From the CCC:
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation
those who at present are born into these communities [that
resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the
faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect
and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith
in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right
to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as
brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."
“819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of
truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic
Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope,
and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well
as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and
ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives
from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the
Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to
him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."
In the future, Dan, refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It will help you to avoid making false and deceptive comments about the Roman Catholic Church.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU!
Lisa
To JD and rest:
This is what a current Lucis Trust World Goodwill seminar in London is about:
"3.50 Panel with two co-workers discussing their experiences with money
Josh Ryan-Collins - Reconnecting Economies – Putting People First
Josh joined the New Economics Foundation in 2006 and is a researcher working in the Business, Finance and Economics team where he is leading research on monetary reform and research into alternative and complementary currencies, including timebanking, local paper currencies, mutual exchange schemes, commercial barter and interest-free credit models. Josh is also developing a programme of work on creating a more sustainable housing system in the UK and also on wider reforms to the financial system and a new macro-economic model to enable the transition to a low-growth economy."
Attention OMOTS,
Big bad wold makes good:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-ward/the-big-bad-wolf-makes-go_b_741710.html
Get ready to get huffed up with this load of cow dung.
An excellent post on Glenn Beck
http://www.calvarybcpolson.com/glenn-beck-and-new-age-faith
http://tinyurl.com/29wxjr8
More on Beck
http://tinyurl.com/33tnztd
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcroft or Ashcraft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
Okay, this is my 2nd attempt to post this comment . The last one appeared and immediately disappeared. My computer was making noises like it was having an orgasm. Not sure what is going on, but I believe it has something to do with Fr. A.
Here's the comment that I tried to post 5 minutes ago.
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcroft or Ashcraft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
3rd time I am trying to post this!
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcroft or Ashcraft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
To Lisa @ 5:55 PM:
What a breath of fresh air you are.
Welcome aboard!!!
Anon 9:21,
Yes, as I’ve said many times, the wolf is viewed as the savior of the environment. It is the “god” that we need to turn to in order to heal our land. That is the point I’ve been making in several articles and letters since the RE-introduction program began. None of this is news, nor a surprise.
The Chip Ward piece that you linked to is a fairly accurate synopsis of the “positive” changes to the Yellowstone ecosystem following wolf re-introduction, however, as expected, it leaves out all the negatives, such as the spreading of parasites, mange, rabies, etc. while ignoring habitat carrying capacity and the natural wolf/prey population crash cycles. Fairly soon we are going to witness a wildlife fact which has been very well documented and described by a number of good Canadian wolf studies, namely the “natural” peak and crash of interlocked wolf and ungulate prey species populations. Idaho is already experiencing the first phases of this cycle. You’d have to see a graph to fully comprehend what these population crashes look like.
In a nutshell…
Wolf numbers increase rapidly and inversely to the available prey population. Wolf populations in Yellowstone and Idaho skyrocketed rapidly because the food supply in the available habitat was relatively high when reintroduction began. When prey species are reduced sufficiently, (as is now occurring in Idaho), there will be a lot more hungry/starving wolves roaming about than the available habitat can support. It becomes a numbers game. Wolves will naturally spread out from habitats that have been denuded of prey species. This fact, coupled with the need for prey species to escape predation through migration is the rationale behind establishing corridors, habitat connectivity, and a massive expansion of core areas denuded of all human activity.
The article concludes with the usual rash of anti-human propaganda which reveals the precise agenda I have been warning about for over 15 years now. Ward asserts that, “Western landscapes are already stressed -- whole forests are dying and deserts are becoming dustbowls. To maintain their vitality in the face of such dire challenges, those lands will need all the relief we can give them. We now understand far better the many ways in which nature’s living communities are astonishingly connected and reciprocal. If we could only find the courage to trust their self-organizing powers to heal the wounds we have inflicted…”
Bottom line: Nature can heal itself (or herself), if man is just moved out of the way. That’s the green agenda. Pack your bags.
omots
Anon 9:21, thanks for the wolf article link.
Yes, as I’ve said many times, the wolf is viewed as the savior of the environment. It is the “god” that we need to turn to in order to heal our land. That is the point I’ve been making in several articles and letters since the RE-introduction program began. None of this is news, nor a surprise.
The Chip Ward piece is a fairly accurate synopsis of the “positive” changes to the Yellowstone ecosystem following wolf re-introduction, however, as expected, it leaves out all the negatives, such as the spreading of parasites, mange, rabies, etc. while ignoring habitat carrying capacity and the natural wolf/prey population crash cycles. Fairly soon we are going to witness a wildlife fact which has been very well documented and described by a number of good Canadian wolf studies, namely the “natural” peak and crash of interlocked wolf and ungulate prey species populations. Idaho is already experiencing the first phases of this cycle. You’d have to see a graph to fully comprehend what these population crashes look like.
In a nutshell…
Wolf numbers increase rapidly and inversely to the available prey population. Wolf populations in Yellowstone and Idaho skyrocketed rapidly because the food supply in the available habitat was relatively high when reintroduction began. When prey species are reduced sufficiently, (as is now occurring in Idaho), there will be a lot more hungry/starving wolves roaming about than the available habitat can support. It becomes a numbers game. Wolves will naturally spread out from habitats that have been denuded of prey species. This fact, coupled with the need for prey species to escape predation through migration is the rationale behind establishing corridors, habitat connectivity, and a massive expansion of core areas denuded of all human activity.
The article concludes with the usual rash of anti-human propaganda which reveals the precise agenda I have been warning about for over 15 years now. Ward asserts that, “Western landscapes are already stressed -- whole forests are dying and deserts are becoming dustbowls. To maintain their vitality in the face of such dire challenges, those lands will need all the relief we can give them. We now understand far better the many ways in which nature’s living communities are astonishingly connected and reciprocal. If we could only find the courage to trust their self-organizing powers to heal the wounds we have inflicted…”
Bottom line: Nature can heal itself (or herself), if man is just moved out of the way. That’s the green agenda. Pack your bags.
omots
I tried posting this 4 different times last night and it wouldn't post so I gave up.
I am trying again this morning. Here Goes:
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcroft or Ashcraft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
OMOTS,
I was the one that posted the article. I agree with your analysis completely.
My bags are packed.
YG
This is becoming laughable. I tried 3 or 4 times to post this comment last night, and then I tried this morning and the same thing happened. It appears for a few seconds and then promptly disappears. Okay I am trying one more time just for kicks and giggles…
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcroft or Ashcraft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
Okay , someone is having a great deal of fun. I cannot post a comment about Fr. Ashcroft. Each time I try, it disappears a few seconds later. Abracadabra and it's gone. Who else moderates this blog other than Constance?
I bet I know.
This is becoming laughable. I tried 3 or 4 times to post this comment last night, and then I tried this morning and the same thing happened. It appears for a few seconds and then promptly disappears. Okay I am trying one more time just for kicks and giggles…
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcroft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
Happened three more times. Now I am thinking that there is a keyword setting off a trigger. Which keyword is it in my comment that is doing this? Hmmmmmmmm
Lisa @ 5:55:
While the Catechism affirms protestant and some other non-Catholic Christian churches as being part of the faith, Pope Benedict has said somewhat recently that all but the RCC is "defective:"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288841,00.html
this is a test
frankenfish
this is a test
Gulf of Mexico eugenics
Anon,
As interesting as proof of such a conspiracy would be, I have to argue against your thesis. Such would mean that someone was monitoring this blog looking for specific vocabulary. I have had similar problems with Rich's blog and mine as well. The topics I was posting on were completely random, and some even had nothing to do with the work done at any place mentioned. So unless the puppet masters have a agenda to keep people uninformed about day to day happenings with my 3 month old daughter, I would say there is a hole in the thesis.
It is much more likely that there is a hole in Blogger programming that is causing these errors, since all places mentioned are Blogger accounts. Or maybe you are partially correct and someone is messing with the blogs removing completely random information. lol In either case I know it is not Constance as there would still be a notification that the post was removed by a moderator.
Anon 9:35,
Fr. Ashcraft is a dimwit. He's gay, and a proponent of eugenics, is himself a product of bioengineering, and on top of that, he voted for Obama.
There. I had no problem.
Anon, if you are that paranoid, stay off this site or else Fr. Ashcraft's little green monkeys are going to find you.
spook daddy
You would think it was common sense that humans and predatory animals don't mix well. We can't outrun them. God gave us permission to have dominion over the animals and the whole Earth. Sure, wolves might look cute when they're young and you see them on T.V. They're not so cute if you're being hunted down by them.
Actually JD, I am thinking it is google analytics doing this. Google owns blogger.
This morning I actually asked OMOTS to try to post the comment that I cannot post. I'll be interested in seeing if he can get it to post. If he can, than its a problem with my computer and not this blog.
In my comment that won't post I was just trying to say that Fr. Ashcraft's comment about disappearing comments was legit since someone further up the thread asked the question whether or not anyone else had had problems posting. I offered proof by showing that I had had the same problem about 4 posts back and mentioned it at the time, and that was well before Fr. Ashcroft had his problems with posting.
The really creepy thing was that as I kept trying to post the comment my computer started making groaning noises. I kid you not. I'd have been freaked out except that it's happened before and I suspect it's my spyware protecting the computer from attack.
YG
After President Rafael Correa's rescue, Ecuador under state of siege...
http://tinyurl.com/2c45dgd
Hopper,
Interesting, your theory of analytics might be valid. I know all three blogs I referenced (this one, Rich's, and mine) use the program. Maybe a short term experiment is in order. Perhaps run one of the blogs without and one with and have a handful attempt to post the same material in both places over a control period. If it continues in both places the issue obviously isn't analytics, if it ceases on the blog without then it is. I would be willing to try such a experiment, and even run a test thread for it.
Thanks J.D. (2.14 PM)
R.
Ireland reveals massive extent of banking debt...
http://euobserver.com/9/30934
JD,
I think that's a great idea. It would be nice to get to the bottom of this. Thanks for the idea and offering to run the experiment.
YG
I'm trying it again. Maybe I'll have the magic touch this time, lol.
This is becoming laughable. I tried 3 or 4 times to post this comment last night, and then I tried 6 times this morning and the same thing happened. It appears for a few seconds and then promptly disappears. Okay I am trying one more time just for kicks and giggles…
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcraft or Ashcroft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
Well, did anyone see it? It was there a minute ago! This is crazy.
I took a picture of the screen while it was still there. Anyone wants to see it, I'd be glad to email it to you.
Hi Craig,
Here is what Pope Benedict XVI's document actually stated (I tend to NOT rely on the news to interpret anything that has to do with my faith):
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html
And this explains the Protestant and Roman Catholic definitions of the "church" - they differ, as you might imagine.
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Church_Dogma/Church_Dogma_027.htm
The Catholic Church has the fullness of the truth (which has been held for 2000 years). We believe that there is one truth, not many different interpretations of the truth.
Sincerely,
Lisa
RE: Disappearing comments.
Sorry to hear that folks are having probs. Google Blogger have a support forum post that indicates this has been an ongoing issue for many months.
Here's a link to the forum post which is now running to 20 pages of reported issues!!!
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/blogger/thread?tid=3dcb02c83302034f&hl=en
or tiny -
http://tinyurl.com/2aw2pto
Hope the issues are resolved for y'all soon.
~K~
In light of the above discussion on Islam and the Beast, I offer the following:
Rick Warren: A Shill for Terror
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/10/01/rick-warren-terrorisms-useful-idiot/
This also fits right in with the Alliance of Civilizations. Being an advisor to Tony Blair's Faith Foundation rather clinches it.
YesNaSpanishTown
October 1, 2010...
Rick Sanchez was fired from CNN today!!!
http://tinyurl.com/27j6ftj
I don't know what purports to be going on vis a vis the Ashcraft situation, but to the best of my present knowledge, NOBODY moderates this blog but me. I have deleted nothing, except some duplicate posts of my own that I thought had been unsuccessfully posted, but ended up being posted multiple times.
Constance
To all,
The hearing seems to be improving, but now whatever it is/was seems to be settling in my respiratory system -- throat, lungs.
Miserable time here. Pray for my soon recovery!
Constance
Was the pope getting even for those who said all but the Catholic churches were NOT defective?
Just irreverently asking!
Dear Constance,
I currently am suffering from this flu ... it almost suffocated me by way of liquid build up in my lungs... i have no medical coverage of any sort so this is what i am doing ...
cough syrup with dextramethorphan
mucinex dm (dextromethorphan)
generic expectorant tablets (active ingredient dextramethorphan)
and my regular meds for spastic colon/hiatal hernia which are
dicyclomine and hyoscyamine
every 4 hours ...
its barely working to dry out my lungs ... i beg you to seek medical help for this flu cause mine started in my head and migrated to my lungs just like yours
In light of the recent UFO comments on lookupfellowship, here is a relevant site
http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/
or
http://tinyurl.com/2dxf9dd
AnonymousJ
Sorry, YG, I didn't get home until late and saw your email. Interestingly enough, when I opened your email, an Active X warning popped up. Sounds to me like there's a glitch in your own PC. Here's your post, via my email (omots)...
This is becoming laughable. I tried 3 or 4 times to post this comment last night, and then I tried 4 times this morning and the same thing happened. It appears for a few seconds and then promptly disappears. Okay I am trying one more time just for kicks and giggles…
To those who are wondering whether anyone else had experienced the perils of Pauline that Fr. Ashcraft or Ashcroft seemingly had experienced in posting a comment to this blog, I can give a resounding YES!
If you go back to the post "A sign of the Times and then some" you'll see that I tried 6 different times to post part 3 of my rant about frankenfish and each and every time part 3 would appear for a second and then disappear.
(Note: just hit Ctrl F and type in 'salmon' to find my rant.
I am not siding with Fr. A or anyone else. Just stating the facts.
I actually know practically nothing about the good friar or the tooth fairy and the rest of the protagonists or antagonists involved in whatever is going on in this latest drama that seems to have unfolded on this blog.
I don't read here very often due to time constraints, and when I realized no one was particularly interested in the evidence I was trying to present regarding frankenfish and Gulf of Mexico eugenics, I just kind of lost interest here. So anyway, just went back and scanned quickly through a couple of the last posts and thought I should at least tell Constance at 10:54 that I have had a very difficult time posting a couple comments here, so Fr. A. is certainly not making this stuff up.
Cheers folks. Hope you're all well. Let's see if this posts;0)
YG
Lisa,
If this is indeed what Pope Benedict said, then yes he's calling all non-Catholic churches not a part of the 'true church:'
According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery[19] cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called “Churches” in the proper sense[20].
Whether he did or did not use the term "defective" does not change the fact he does not see Protestant Christians as brothers.
Constance,
Sorry that your sickness has improved in one area only to worsen in another. I'll be praying for you.
I posted this today; and, this just shows how all the polluted false doctrinal streams are converging:
Joel Osteen Endorses Che Ahn's HRock Church
http://tinyurl.com/267hgxh
See my last comment regarding Ahn's role as part of Bentley's "Revival Alliance."
'Disclosure' and the great deception
As people may have noticed there has been increasing hype about the whole 'alien' phenomenon, personally I have not paid to much attention to it in the past, but its starting to get
http://cryptogon.com/?p=18005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vumb8J-x8
The reason that I am writing this email is because when i was listening to the radio interview on the bottom of the cryptogon, one of the people said something that caused a light to go on in my head. He said " the truth is so valuable that it needs to be surrounded by a body guard of lies".
Of course the truth that he is talking about is not the same truth that I was thinking about... the 'truth' that he was talking about is actually part of the body guard of lies.
If, and this is a big if.... if they do come out with some sort of disclosure on the whole alien coverup, I think i already know the whole story that they are going to tell us. Furthermore, i think i know what the truth behind it is.
This is what i think they will tell us: 1) there was an alien space ship crash back in the '50's 2) there were survivors 3) they have been kept in observation and they have decided that since they are so much like us -- the way they think, the way they act, the way they look and so on -- that they are going to let them out of custody and allow them to be part of our society.... or maybe they will even be promoted as having knowledge that can answer all our problems.
The reason this notion got me so excited was because I realized that it potentially fits directly into the prophecy of scripture....
Consider for a moment: If Satan being cast from heaven is a physical event, and I see no reason why it can't be -- after all he appeared physically before Eve in the garden for the first lie, so he will probably appear physically before us for the last lie. So Satan is cast to earth in a literal, physical sense. Perhaps this has already happened -- following world war 2 and the rebirth of Israel as a nation --"the great sign" (i know your views on Israel in prophecy but, hear me out, reread revelation 12 and pray about it) Satan is cast to earth.
Now, if this has already occurred, Satan, naturally is not going to reveal his true identity to everyone -- that would send everyone, even many non-believers, scrambling for their bibles.
So what Satan does, is he starts working on a plan to present him and his angels as 'aliens' who are superior to us in knowledge and power and are here to save us.
It obviously takes some time to get everything in place for the mass deception. And so, if the plans are in place the next step will be 'disclosure' and, if you are paying attention to all this hype you probably have come to the same conclusion, which is, its going to happen some time soon.
What is even more interesting is, that this could still come in time to fit in with the 7 year treaty and other interesting events that have appeared as though they were fulfillments of prophecy.
~Nick
Whether he did or did not use the term "defective" does not change the fact he does not see Protestant Christians as brothers.
Craig,
You seem to have missed Lisa's point and not taken time to read her links. Whether this is a case of deliberate obstinacy on your part I cannot say, but Pope Benedict has neither stated nor implied that which you have put into his mouth. Since this false claim is often used to justify and incite anti-Catholic bigotry and drive wedges between Catholics and Protestants, it can hardly be deemed a minor error.
I know many Catholics, and I can assure you we all see Protestants who adhere to the substance of the creed as our brothers in Christ, even in instances where the favor it not returned (including here at this blog - you know who you are). In this, we are following the Magisterium.
The Tooth Fairy
The Tooth Fairy:
The second link seems not to be complete; and, I can't get it to come up. However, I'm quite aware of the RCC's position on the Eucharist which, of course, is not what most Protestant denominations believe.
As regards the first link, I quoted directly from it; so, I don't understand where you believe I've somehow not taken Benedict at his words.
After the quote I used directly from the link Lisa provided is the following:
The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, ratified and confirmed these Responses, adopted in the Plenary Session of the Congregation, and ordered their publication.
So, apparently I'm the one who's thick here as I see this as plainly stating that the words in my previous post were indeed Benedict's which are tantamount to denying Christian denoms and non-denoms as being part of the 'church' since those do not have 'apostolic succession' nor the "integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery."
This is what Lisa said in her last paragraph:
The Catholic Church has the fullness of the truth (which has been held for 2000 years). We believe that there is one truth, not many different interpretations of the truth.
So, please explain where I'm misconstruing words.
The Tooth Fairy / Lisa:
OK, I see where my statement:
Whether he did or did not use the term "defective" does not change the fact he does not see Protestant Christians as brothers.
...is too strong. The Pope essentially sees salvation coming about in those churches that do not have 'apostolic succesion' and 'the integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery' as almost in spite of this fact at said churches. So, then, those who are saved out of these churches which have these 'defects' are done only by the Grace of God -- again despite the lack of 'apostolic succession' and 'Eucharist.'
Hey constance I can relate a bit. It has been one thing and another for me here. Viral infection that brought on dehydration, followed by bronchitis, followed by mouth pain that is a gum issue need to have sorted out, and now seasonal allergies it seems kicking in.
Constance,
Did you see this: Global Governance 2025: At a Critical Juncture at: http://tinyurl.com/3y4twm6
Eric Hall
Nick,
So far your alien thesis/synopsis mirrors the scripting for NBC's "The Event", (sorry, I can't make my computer print a backward "e").
http://www.nbc.com/the-event/
This has to be one of the closest things I have ever seen to truth in advertising. WARNING: The video contained at this link is GRAPHIC!!!
Go green or we'll kill your kids' says Richard Curtis eco-propaganda shocker
http://tinyurl.com/2vo5gpq
Constance:
You are in our prayers, but PLEASE stop being so stubborn and get yourself to the doctor (preferably an ear, nose and throat specialist). They will probably need to run some tests. It could be serious, and we don't want to lose you!!!
YG,
I'm no puter whiz, so this baffles me. I cut and pasted your comment from my email last night. I posted it here after 9PM PDT, which would have given it a time stamp sometime after midnight on this comment page.
I made sure it was posted here before I turned my computer off last night. I don't see it posted here this morning.
Not sure what's going on and don't know if this is related, but when I opened your email, an Active X warning appeared.
Reminded me of that old TV show -Lost in Space:
"Warning Will Robinson! WARNING! Alien life force approaching!"
omots
Anon. 11:45 AM,
Yes, "the Event" is exactly what I was pointing to. The youtube and cryptagon link deal specifically with that program.
But I was mainly trying to bring attention to is the fact that there has been a heavy increase in alien related subject matter coming from media/entertainment.
When the Nephelim do return, I would imagine they will most likely want to shed their past history and rebrand themselves as something that will lead people away from the bible rather than back to the bible.If pretending to be members of an advanced civilization from some far of solar-system is there means, well, I would imagine it will be quite succesful.
~Nick
Nick @ 12:15 PM:
Re: "something that will lead people away from the bible rather than back to the bible"...
___________________________________
Uhhhh, yeah...
Nick, more and more true Christians are beginning to believe that aliens are actually DEMONS (rather than something from another planet).
The advertising and graphics for "The Event" are interesting.
They highlight "Eve"
in ads with believe they highlight lie...
it is about as blantant as fringe...
FYI: Regarding posting here...
My experience lately is that I always have to post my comment TWICE!!!
The first time, the 8 letter word verification code is not there.
So, I do a copy/paste of my comment (so I don't have to retype it).
Then I escape (back out) of the comment section and come back in again and paste. The second time, the 8 letter word verification code is always there so that I am able to successfully complete my post.
(Anyway, that is the ONLY problem that I am having when posting.)
Since 'there will be signs in the heavens'... it might be a good idea if we all checked this website a few times a week.
http://www.spaceweather.com/
Craig,
If I may jump in here, I would like to very respectfully put in my two cents worth.
In paraphrasing the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, here is what the Church is basically saying.
Yes, we Roman Catholics believe that the fullness of truth is to be found in the Catholic Church.
But we also understand and respect that Protestants such as yourself
believe that the fullness of truth is to be found in your own Christian communion.
As the late great C.S. Lewis once put it, at the end of the day, there is only one reason to embrace the teachings of a particular Christian communion...and that is because you honestly happen to believe that it is true.
If either of us didn't honestly believe that the fullness of truth was to be found in our own Christian communions, then neither of us would have any business being or remaining a member of that particular communion - whether Catholic or Protestant......lest we add hypocrisy to our "heresy" ( whether "heresy" is defined according to Catholic or Protestant standards.)
Since neither one of us had any control over the religion we were born into, "sending each other to hell" for that reason is not only just plain stupid, it is also unbiblical.
See Mark 9:38-39
In any case, from the Catholic perspective, you are not what could be properly called a "heretic" to begin with.
You would have to have been a baptised Roman Catholic who knowingly rejected Church teachings in order to be legitimately referred to as a "heretic." And even then, only God can know whether said rejection of Church teaching is out of ignorance or malice.
As a person born into the Protestant communion, you are what the Catholic Church would refer to as a "material schismatic" - which simply means that through no fault of your own you are not in full communion with the Roman Catholic church. It is not in any way a put down. It is simply a statement of fact.
Yes, we do have our differences with regard to the Christian Rule of Faith, ecclesiology and the Sacraments. And we should honestly - and respectfully - acknowledge those differences.
If I am not mistaken - and please correct me if I am - the only Sacraments most Protestants recognize are Baptism and the Eucharist. Protestant denominations, both sacramental and non-sacramental, almost invariably affirm only these two as sacraments, traditions, or ordinances; although they may also practice some or all of the other traditional sacraments as well while not acknowledging the action of divine grace in the external form.
Our rock bottom agreement as Christians, however, is with regard to our Christology as formulated in the creeds of Chalcedon and/or Nicaea...briefly, that Jesus Christ is truly God and truly man, was born of the Virgin Mary, that he died on the Cross to save us from our sins, that He rose from the dead on the third day, that we too shall rise from the dead when Christ will come again in glory on the last day as the just Judge, and His kingdom will have no end.
cont...
cont...
We Catholics believe that the rock bottom truth (pun intended) that the Pope preserves, defends and hands on intact to his successors from the time of Peter, is the answer to Christ's question to Peter. "Who do you say I am?" To which Peter answered "Thou art the Christ" ( and some versions add "the Son of the living God.")
Mark 8:29
Luke 9:20
Matthew 16:13-20
In this sense, by way of your faith and Baptism ( which the Catholic Church recognizes as valid )you do have ties to the "apostolic succession" - albeit not in terms of what Catholics believe to be the Sacrament of Holy Orders.
Actually, just for the sake of conversation here, if you were to become a Catholic ( please don't flame me LOL ), the Catholic Church would not re-baptize you because your water baptism would be regarded as valid by the Roman Catholic Church. Same for any marriage you may have entered into as a Protestant. The only time the Catholic Church would baptize you is if there were any doubt as to whether or not you had actually received water baptism - in which case you would be baptised "conditionally."
Saying that Protestants do not have what we Catholics regard as the Sacrament of Holy Orders is not the same thing as saying that Protestants and/or Protestant ministers are a bunch of "no-goodniks" who are consequently "going to hell in a handbasket" or some other obnoxious putdown.
This would be redolent of the error of Father Leonard Feeney who was excommunicated for teaching such an ugly lie about the eternal destination of Protestants or anyone else who was not explicitly Roman Catholic - in spite of warnings from the Vatican.
While the saying is true that outside the Church there is no salvation, only God can know precisely when and if someone is "outside the church" and no longer capable of receiving salvation.
Since most Protestants do not acknowledge Holy Orders as a Sacrament to begin with, I can't see how any offense could be taken by the Pope's remarks - which are simply a statement of fact about our respective beliefs.
And when you see the term "defective" in Catholic ecclesiastical documents, this Catholic "churchspeak" is simply a reference to the Catholic belief that the fullness of truth is to be found in the Catholic Church.
While Protestants may not use the precise word "defective," in their own documents, their own "churchspeak" certainly embodies their teaching that the Roman Catholic Church is "defective" in terms of their equally sincere belief that their own Christian communion posses the fullness of truth.
I would just like to point out here that the Roman Catholic church isn't merely trying to "corner the market" on "apostolic succession."
Orthodox Catholic Christian communions are not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church either but the Roman Catholic Church acknowledges the validity of their Sacrament of Holy Orders because their bishops can be shown to be a part of the concrete historical Apostolic succession dating back in an unbroken line to Peter and the Apostles.
HOLY ORDERS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_
Orders
Let me add this to strange Google happenings. Phone numbers disappear. When I first saw this happen I thought it was just on one website, but it's happened to me in several places. I was getting the phone number off a website that had a village hall phone number. The number would appear briefly and then disappear. It might or might not appear again. Then I saw it happen on the screen where the list of places one can go to appears. It's happened at least five different times. The phone number will appear, disappear and the space remains empty as if nothing had been typed there.
Dorothy
A caller from Alaska to Alan Watt last nite on his program, http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com,
reported that the occult/NA was being taught in public school there. He referred to the following being taught at: http://tinyurl.com/3x5rup7
i.e., OpenWaldorf - Rudolf Steiner.
Eric Hall
JD,
Thanks for the link to the video advert.
'Go green or we'll kill your kids' says Richard Curtis eco-propaganda shocker
Gore and his family consume resources on such a scale that if we compare it to an ordinary family it is akin to comparing the resources consumed by the US to that consumed by Norway. But, hypocrisy is endemic: it is a case of "do as I say not as I do."
I don't think they are kidding when they imply they want to kill people.
U.S. to issue alert for Americans in Europe...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/02
/europe.advisory.discussions/index.
html?hpt=T1
In a computer worm, a possible biblical clue...
http://tinyurl.com/34xcph4
FYI:
"The Event" is now being shown on NBC.
OMOTS,
Thanks so much for your help. I'm not a computer whiz either but glad I'm not the only one that couldn't post what I thought was a rational comment. THe active X warning is curious. Perhaps I've become an enemy of the state, for reasons I can't fathom.
A little disturbing but not very surprising.
YG
Thanks for this info "Thenew world relighion" So many of my peers in the ministry are reading books like the Shack, Ron Bell and when I warn them they think I'm over cautious.
DTM
In the recent past I regularly got a 404 error saying the comment was too long. I would use the back arrow and find it was already posted. It didn't disappear. Since nothing disappeared I haven't added this information.
Dorothy
Dorothy,
That has been happening to me recently, too. That is why my past few posts have been duplicated--because I didn't check after I received the same message and re-posted.
I'm trying to develop the habit of either typing my post in Word first, or copying before clicking "Publish your comment". Sometimes I forget.
YesNaSpanishTown
Craig,
We are all saved "only by the grace of God".
Lisa
Lisa,
Now THAT's as statement I can agree 100% with! :)
Craig,
Lisa is correct of course. I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.
The Tooth Fairy
With all the yammering I have been hearing about "false ecumenism," I think it is good to know people who are capable of making an honest confession of faith-whether or not I happen to agree with it.
As C.S. Lewis pointed out, while the divisions of Christendom is a sin and a scandal with plenty of blame to go around and with atrocities committed on all sides, just think of the opportunities that God has nevertheless created for mutual charity and respect among the various Christian communions.
Craig, I am assuming that you believe that the fullness of truth is to be found in your particular Christian denomination.
Well, so does the Pope think that the fullness of truth is to be found in the Catholic Church.
However, the Church (including the Pope)understands and respects that you sincerely believe that yours is the one true Church.
The Catholic Church doesn't even refer to "cradle Protestants" as "heretics." Properly speaking, a "heretic" is a baptised Catholic who rejects Catholic teaching. From your perspective, a "heretic" would be a born Protestant who rejected Protestant teachings.
Only God can know whether such rejection is done through ignorance or malice.
At the end of the day, Catholics and Protestants each have their own definition of "Church."
Since Protestants do not accept Holy Orders as a Sacrament to beign with, I do not understand why a Protestant would be offended by the Pope simply stating what Protestants themselves claim they believe to begin with.
But regardless of these disagreements, you are a part of the Church. You are my brother in Christ......if only by virtue of the one baptism.
In fact, if you have received water Baptism - whether by "sprinkling" or "dunking" - and decided to become a Catholic, you would not need to be re-baptized. I don't see how that could be the case if you were not "part of the Church!!!"
China and Singapore partnering to build green eco city, model for the future...for the new millenium....after the global population crash here's what the survivors get....OZ...
http://www.tianjineco-city.com/en/eco_city/living_in_eco_city/906.aspx
If this contact information has been shared already I wasn't aware.
One thing we can thank God for is for Obama. WHAT!!!
Yes!! America has become more aware of the MUSLIM AGENDA because of this man. And we better KNOW what their plans are because it will affect each one of us if they succeed. Pray they don't.
Usama Dakdok is a chrisitan who is really getting the truth out about their deceptive ways. He loves the muslim but hates Islam. Please check him out at thestraightway.org
Taking it to the throne by the blood of Jesus.
bw
The Tooth Fairy,
That pretty much clears it up. I would say the only thing that doesn't sit right with me from my "Protestant" (I use the word as a descriptive term even though I can't say for sure I would subscribe to it) perspective is that while the papacy considers Oriental churches as 'sister churches,' the pope refers to other Protestant churches as having 'defects' without specifying a familial bond. In fact, he seems to deny it in answering the fifth question.
Further, he states (paraphrased) that it's the assumed primacy of the Catholic Church which leads to individual salvation in the non-Catholic/Protestant churches:
“It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church”
I suppose it's fair to say that the converse is true with regard to my position as a "Protestant" as Susanna basically says.
Susanna,
As regards your last paragraph, please pardon my ignorance; but, I understand this to be correct: for a Protestant to become a member of the RCC they must know the Catechism and affirm it as a sort of 'statement of faith.' Is that correct?
I want to add that I've been studying the intertestamental period as background for an article I'm writing and found out that some of the teachings of the RCC including purgatory and the Assumption of Mary came from the Apocrypha. At least now I know just where these teachings come from.
Of course, from my perspective, which is consistent with Protestantism, I do not view the Apocrypha as being inspired as the other 66 books of the Bible. This knowledge just helps me see the "whys" of some of the RCC teachings.
Craig,
I am going to ask Susanna to answer the question you directed at me, since she has a far better grasp of the historical development of the various non-Catholic Christian churches, and the Roman Catholic Church's relationship to these churches from a theological perspsective, than I do.
The Tooth Fairy
The British newspaper, The Guardian, and Bill Gates partnered to start this website that is meant to cover Global Development. Now eradication of poverty, etc. is a goal that is idealistic. What the leaders don't realize as a result of their pride is that it is all one big experiment. If they weren't full of pride, they would start small and try to fix one small country first. Maybe learn something in the process. Instead they just keep building that Tower of Babel.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development
Dorothy
Craig and Tooth Fairy,
The reason why the Roman Catholic Church refers to the Orthodox Catholic ( "Oriental") communions as "sister churches" is because we share the same beliefs about the seven Scraments - and their bishops can be traced back to the Apostles in an unbroken line of succession.
EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Eastern_Orthodox_Church
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Moreover, like the Old Testament in the Roman Catholic Bible, the Old Testament of the Orthodox Catholic Bible is based on the ancient Greek Septuagint translation which includes the books which most Protestants refer to as "apocryphal." Roman Catholics and Orthodox refer to these books as "deuterocanonical" -meaning that while these books are not to be found in the Hebrew Bible, they are nevertheless a part of the Old Testament canon.
SEPTUAGINT
The Septuagint (pronounced /ˈsɛptuː.ədʒɪnt/), or simply "LXX", referred to in critical works by the abbreviation , is the Koine Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, translated in stages between the 3rd and 2nd century BCE in Alexandria. It was begun by the third century BCE and completed before 132 BCE.
It is the oldest of several ancient translations of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean Basin from the time of Alexander the Great (356-323 BCE).
The Septuagint was held in great respect in ancient times; Philo and Josephus ascribed divine inspiration to its authors. Besides the Old Latin versions, the LXX is also the basis for the Slavonic, the Syriac, Old Armenian, Old Georgian and Coptic versions of the Old Testament. Of significance for all Christians and for Bible scholars, the LXX is quoted by the New Testament and by the Apostolic Fathers....read more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Septuagint
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HEBREW BIBLE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Hebrew_Bible
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The main argument over the apocryphal/deuterocanonical books of the Bible has to do with the question as to whether or not the prophet Esdras closed the Canon after the Babylonian Captivity.
Some Jewish scholars claim that Esdras did close the canon after the Babylonian Captivity. Catholics claim that there is no convincing evidence that Esdras closed the Canon - and if he did there is no evidence that he was authorized to do so.
Another point to be made about the Roman Catholic Church regarding the oriental communions as "sister churches is the fact that because of the beliefs we hold in common about the Sacraments, the Roman Catholic Church has an ecumenical agreement with the Orthodox Church to the effect that in an emergency (i.e. no Roman Catholic priests to administer the Sacraments or danger of death)a Roman Catholic may receive the Sacraments from an Orthodox priest.
This would be related to what I told you about a Protestant not needing to be rebaptized if he were to decide to accept Roman Catholic teachings and become a Roman Catholic. We share a common belief about the Sacrament of Baptism, and therefore acknowledge the validity of one another's baptisms.
If, on the other hand, a Protestant were of a "non-Sacramental" denomination and had not received water baptism, he would need to be baptized if he wanted to become a Roman Catholic.
Getting back to the Orthodox, one of the main impediments to full reunion between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches is the disagreement over the papal primacy.
Contrary to what some might think, the Roman Catholic Church is not merely trying to "corner the market" on "primacy" or apostolic succession.
We Catholics believe that the rock bottom truth (pun intended) that the successors of Peter preserve, defend and hand on intact to their successors is the answer to the question Christ asked of Peter:
"Who do you say I am?"
To which Peter answered:
"Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God."
Matthew 16:13-20
Mark 8:29
Luke 9:20
Susanna,
Thanks for the elucidation. I was aware of the reason the Oriental churches identified as "sisters" in view of the link Lisa provided.
I've been reading about the Apocrypha this past week; so, now I'm pretty much up to speed with how these books played a part in the pre-Christian and Christian era. Here's an excerpt from an as yet unfinished article:
"…These [Apocryphal] and other writings emerged during the long silence that fell between the death of the last OT prophet, Malachi (about 400 B.C.), and the appearance of John the Baptist. To some extent these writings attempted to discern what God was saying to a nation that, though it had repudiated idolatry, still suffered under the dominion of a succession of pagan powers…" [Richards p 76]
'However, at the Council at Jamnia (AD 90) the Hebrew canon was affirmed by Hebrew rabbis while denying this status to the Apocrypha, which was then a part of the Septuagint. Some of the Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine such as purgatory, masses for the dead, and obtaining the merit of God through good works comes from Apocryphal works. [Richards p 76] The OT canon accepted by Protestants today was “very likely established by the dawn of the second century,” though after the destruction of Herod’s Temple in AD70.[NIV p 1425] However, the Apocrypha was still in common use by most Christians until the Protestant Reformation.' [NIV p 1425]
The bracketed sources are Richards Complete Bible Dictionary and the NIV Study Bible which are my notes until I'm ready to finish and add the actual end/footnotes.
I'm familiar with the Peter as "petros" argument: but, I'll refrain from going further so as not to get into further Protestant vs. Catholic debate.
Many of the commenters here were trying to determine who is the real threat...New Age or Islam. Please take a minute to look at this site. It is by one of the WTC mosque backers. It will show you the combined efforts of radical Muslims/New Agers:
http://www.mujca.com/
Be sure to click on the "spiritual UN" dove on the right. You'll be taken to some serious anti-semitism, which is weird, since this site is supposed to be a Muslim/Jewish?Christian alliance (which is obviously not true). Much emphasis on reading Teilhard de Chardin, too.
Hi Craig,
I appreciate that you have taken the time to check out the links I recommended. I have another. I hope you will consider this perspective regarding the "other 7 books".
http://www.sanctepater.com/2009/06/5-myths-about-7-books.html
Lisa
It seems most of these things are here now.
I'll comment on two.
One, yoga and meditation, centering prayer and stuff like that in the church. Here. This is a hard nut to crack, since some physical yoga is OK if it doesn't get into breath patterns that alter consciousness and neurological function, pushing a person into a too-open and protected space. Most people are not interested in hearing the subtleties of what is OK yoga and what is not. I know a lot about it but I am considered sort of one of those wingnuts mentioned. I feel very distressed at being so "odd". I am very anxious for the rapture to get me OUT of this crazy situation in which nothing positive
occurs.
Two. We have a new orthodoxy in the
church. Those who agree with inter-faith and syncretism are the newly "in" group. The rest of us are painfully "out." Here again, a case can be made for the value of interfaith dialogue...so to distinguish between "talking" and "merging" is hard. If one tries to distinguish one is, again, a "wingnut".
Mariel
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