Thursday, April 22, 2010

what björn (farmer) thinks...: Solana called to create more global management structures

what björn (farmer) thinks...: Solana called to create more global management structures

TO MY READERS:


Despite my well publicized differences with Farmer (Björn Freiberg), this information is simply too important to ignore, so I am reprinting it in its totality here.  I trust you will understand.


Constance


"Madrid, April 20 .- The former High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy of the European Union (EU), Javier Solana, today urged to build more structures to manage the total financial structure, with the help of all world regions.
By participating in the seminar "From Rio de Janeiro to Madrid, a decade after, organized by the Ibero-American Secretariat (SEGIB), Spanish politician said" we have not yet been able to create mechanisms to govern the multipolarity. "
"We are very far from knowing how to deal with this structure and reach the goal of making it effectively," he said.
He explained that the realization that the world has ceased to be unipolar, "is something positive and are happy with that," but warned of the urgency of knowing how to manage to "know how to manage this without creating more problems."
Abounded that this occurs in a scenario of global problems requiring global solutions, "but there is no drive for it because of the national legitimacy."
Solana noted that despite United Nations efforts on many issues, and the G-20 on the topic of economic crisis, "still need to coordinate groups of countries based on their common elements, history, values and seek a common future. "
He also said that international relations are currently developing scenarios "within transfers of power between Member States and do not necessarily have things in common, and there was a different world view."
Regarding the relationship between the EU and Latin America, said the summit next May in Madrid between the two blocs have to be able to give substantive performance links have been forged in recent years.
He acknowledged that there are difficulties and differences on many issues, and they are an economic crisis, "but to pass these problems must be exploited and not lose the historic opportunity."
He suggested further work on the regionalization schemes, and international relations in the future will have very important groups, blocks and regions.
The seminar organized by the SEGIB met here with former presidents, representatives of multilateral institutions, academics and experts on transatlantic relations, to exchange experiences on the peaks Latin America, Caribbean and European Union."

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see background about this conference here: Link
see background of this philosophy here: Link

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Constance Cumbey said...

Satan d/b/a Lucifer doesn't care how he gets you, just so he gets you, it can be occultism (Cabala included, NOT EXEMPT), seances, "total tracking for global sustainability," etc. The trick is getting one to touch and/or taste what they were expressly instructed to avoid.

Constance

Jenny said...

Constance and All,

I'm sad to say.. that Satan is having great fields day on Here. We need to to keep to Gods word.

Please don't defile the Blood of Jesus we need to respect each others views and have them lines up with God word.
I believe God wants to clean up and restore hurts and misunderstandings from the past and currant posters on here.

Are we in a boxing ring? God forbid not!!

WE need Agape love for one another, sowing seeds in love can only develop a harvest of true blessings. It needs cultivating every day from God. When we differ it takes a huge amount of grace to pour out on us. not works!!

2Cor10:4-5
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God of pulling down strongholds......

If we don't agree on a point, the only way is to take it to God in prayer and wait on Him for the answer or revelation.

I said I wouldn't post again and when I see brothers and sisters been accused as I have in the last weeks or so, It brings home how Satan is laughing at us. He's the accuser of the brethren day in and day out.

I had to check my heart and I asked God to forgive me of my sin and let Him deal with my situation.
It's important to forgive one another and get past theses differences with maturity.

Gosh!!! I love you all in Jesus and love to hug.
((((hugs))))

Anonymous said...

Constance and all,

When typing out in comment box its looks different to when I posted. I seem to come across hard loveeeesss, it was not intended to be so.

Sorry everyone
God bless to you all

Jenny

Anonymous said...

Constance 8:29,

Like Bjorn's site.

Constance Cumbey said...

Dear Jenny,

Thank you for your very kind and well chosen words!

Constance

Anonymous said...

"Jenny said...
Constance and All,

I'm sad to say.. that Satan is having great fields day on Here. We need to to keep to Gods word."

Jenny your right! That's why kabbalah must be exposed as OCCULTIC! So that we defend God's Word, and refute Kabbalist WITCHCRAFT, including its promotion and unwise defense of it!

Anonymous said...

However,

that has been done, and where disagreement persists, it must be taken to God in prayer as you rightly say.


"WE need Agape love for one another, sowing seeds in love can only develop a harvest of true blessings. It needs cultivating every day from God. When we differ it takes a huge amount of grace to pour out on us. not works!!"

Well Remarked!

YesNaSpanishTown said...

‘This Is Brand New’

The CEO of Bloom Energy on a new way of powering the planet.

Bloom Energy CEO, K. R. Sridhar:

"It became obvious to me that on Mars, if you give me a few molecules of oxygen, I can create everything else human beings need: fuel, heat, electricity, plastic, food, water. So I started looking for someplace where I can make an impact in a realistic time frame, as opposed to something far in the future. It dawned on me that if we don't solve the energy issue, we will have significant problems.

See the entire interview at:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/236860

...a rather "god-like" boast, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

Constance wrote:
"Dorothy,
That is decidedly SLANDER and LIBEL against Joyce who by inference you falsely claim to be part of the New Age Movement. She decidedly is NOT."

I never said Joyce was part of the New Age movement, neither directly nor by implication. I don't know all of the organizations to which she belongs. It would be interesting to know how you came to your conclusion.

As you well know, the New Age movement is extremely large. The second edition of the Whole Again Resource Guide lists 3,000 organizations as part of New Age. Every person using any of those organizations is part of the New Age movement. Science fiction is used to bring followers into the New Age movement. Go to Star Wars movies and one is part of New Age. Many religious organizations are part of the New Age movement, so those who lead and belong to them are part of the New Age movement. Many political organizations are part of the New Age movement. And so on. There may be different levels of involvement, but the New Age movement is not some sort of secret club. It is a way of thinking that uses many ways to bring people into the movement whether or not they know they have become New Agers.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

FYI:
It is worth noting the military exercises of turkey with syria
http://tinyurl.com/29safma
Important as Turkey is a country in the Gog/Magog coalition.

Anonymous said...

Peacebringer,

the link's not working.

Anonymous said...

Peacebringer, thanks.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1081469.html

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1121000.html

http://www.armybase.us/search/military+exercise+turkey+syria/

Anonymous said...

The ADL is right! Any Christian that is Anti-Government should be considered just as extreme and a terrorist as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

America, just like Israel, has a right to defend herself. In America's case, arrest all Anti-Christian Zionists/Anti-Government protesters. Israel should immediately launch a couple of their Jericho III ICBM's to Iran. Peace in the Middle East will then be secure for the world.

Hashem Yimloch LeOlam Va'ed

BattleCreekDavid said...

I'm not anti-government. I'm just against our government acting stupidly. Is "stupidly" a word?

paul said...

anon. 11:27,
What kind of label is
"anti christian-zionist/anti-
government" ?
It's too complex as a soundbite,
and too disparate, and deceptive
to be of any lasting use.
Did you make it up yourself ?
If you want to say "Hooray
for Israel !", "Viva Israel !", or,
"Support Israel", just say it.
You are too vicious. The end doesn't
justify the means. Did you skip
the sacred Tanach and go directly
to Talmud ? Go back and see who
The Lord saves and protects with
a mighty hand.
God will protect you if you trust in
him. He doesn't need your bombs.
Bombs only make dead people and
mortal enemies.

Anonymous said...

David Of Battle Creek...Your name has been added to the ADL database of Extreme Anti Governement Christians...Report to your nearest FEMA camp administration office immediately.

Shalom

Anonymous said...

The ADL's recent April 2010 report "Violent Voices: Anti-Government Extremism Takes on New Intensity" has identified potential Anti-Government protesters as indifferent towards U.S. Foreign Policies. These conspirators also have a strong implied Anti-Semitic rhetoric in their dialogues. Thus they will be detained for further questioning and a freeze on all their financial assets will be implemented.

Anonymous said...

In reference to Bob Mitchells thread and "this is it" comment. I believe the mid point of the ENP falls on 14 June 2010. If nothing happens of significance around this date, that will surely throw a loop into so many's understanding.

If you will also note, the Jewish High Priests associated with the Korban Perchs (sp?) had constructed a portable alter that can host Temple Sacrifices in lieu of the monster the Temple once was. So there maybe a work around and we just have not realized this yet. Interesting that the same Priests have also been constructing their wardrobe for these sacrifices as well...

Mike in Colorado

Constance Cumbey said...

Dorothy comments that she gave the George Shuster book to me and hopes I could put it up on my blogspot archives, which l hope to do. The book is a valuable contribution. Curiously, though, as I discovered and passed on to Dorothy, Shuster and Saul Alinsky were close friends.

Constance

Anonymous said...

more interesting info, possible finding of noah's ark
http://www.noahsarksearch.net/
make sure you select ENG to be able to read when you get there

Constance Cumbey said...

To Anonymous 2:37 re Joyce

To the best of my knowledge, Joyce did not stalk. I had deep disagreements with her attitudes towards Catholics; HOWEVER, while she wrote long pieces expressing her own beliefs, she was not attempting to ferret out personal information and publishing it on the internet as I was told by Dorothy was happening with her own and others' investigation of Joyce. Seeking personal harm to another participant on this board is what I call "stalking" -- not expressing theological disagreements.

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

I heard also that they found Adam and Eve's original mummified bodies. How could they tell? NO BELLY BUTTONS!

Forgive me one and all, but it was time for a lighter moment!

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

I just came from looking at the now numerous news stories on the possible/probable finding of Noah's ark carbon dated to be 4800 years old! AWESOME!

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

Dorothy,

You wrote about me allegedly having direct communications with New Agers in the context of our post on Joyce. The innuendo to me was both odious and obvious.

The New Age Movement is MUCH larger than any 3,000 organizations. When I wrote HIDDEN DANGERS in the early 80's there was an advertised New Age directory with 10,000 networking organizations. Paul Hawken's numbers on "the Movement nobody saw coming" are much closer to the reality.

Constance

Constance

Anonymous said...

Re: Constance's post about a supposed allegation by another poster that joyce was "part of the New Age Movement."

All i know about "Joyce" was based on what she wrote at this blog.

I can see though how, based on her writings, which consistently and vigorously attempted to SOW DIVISION between Jews, Catholics, and Protestants, and polarize the participants here by religion, one might question whether Joyce was advancing an agenda the New Age would approve of.

By the way, this observation is just my opinion and interprtation of the content of her posts. It is not based on any personal knowledge about Joyce or her activities or associations off the blog, whatever they may have been or may be.

Anonymous said...

Hard to believe though it is true, Alinsky tactics were developed not in support of one world government but to fight the corruption of Chicago politics.

From Wikipedia:
In the course of nearly four decades of organizing the poor for radical social action, Alinsky made many enemies, but he has received praise from an array of public figures. His organizing skills were focused on improving the living conditions of poor communities across North America. In the 1950s, he began turning his attention to improving conditions of the African-American ghettos, beginning with Chicago's and later traveling to other ghettos in California, Michigan, New York City, and a dozen other "trouble spots.""
..."In the 1930s, Alinsky organized the Back of the Yards neighborhood in Chicago (made infamous by Upton Sinclair's novel The Jungle for the horrific working conditions in the Union Stock Yards). He went on to found the Industrial Areas Foundation while organizing the Woodlawn neighborhood, which trained organizers and assisted in the founding of community organizations around the country."

And yes, I know the book The Jungle was an exaggeration, but yes, the conditions in the Chicago stockyards were employment pits. I heard the stories from family members who had worked there.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Here's what Jesus says about peace:

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Maybe it's not the New Agers that should get all the credit for sowing division. He says his truth will bring division and persecution. Maybe the problem on the blog is spiritual warfare? Just something for everyone to think about.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Whole Again Resource Guide, the first edition with 1500 listings came out in 1982. The second edition with 3,000 listings came out in 1986. After another 24 years of course there would be many more organizations involved. The Guides are important because they do list organizations involved in the culture change by category, name and address. They are not speculations. The Guide has a website. No other editions came out. As usual when too much information is getting out and making the top people nervous, there is a shutdown of information.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Joyce baited and taunted Dorothy viciously at this blog at times. I felt she was trying to provoke Dorothy into something...to lose her marbles? To leave the blog? To give Constance an ultimatum? We will never know what Joyce was really thinking.

Then, she would come back a few days later with a short, lighthearted post telling Dorothy she was praying for her.

Joyce was one of the most two-faced operators I have ever seen on any blog. She was so smooth that she even managed to convince some people here apparently that she was the "victim" in this situation.

Coast to Coast, LA to Chicago....

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:16

I think you hit it right on the head. All should think about your post.

Anonymous said...

Constance, you've talked several times about being at Marilyn Ferguson's house You've talked about family members being involved in the movement. There were a couple of other contacts. No big deal. All of us who do decent research make it a point of getting information directly from as many sources as we can. It's only when spreading all of those ideas as valid would it become a problem.

Stalking? That's a laugh. By the way, Joyce's antisemitism doesn't seem to bother you. She was consistently lying about Judaism, pretending she was some sort of expert on Judaism. Len had to come on board and and correct her distortions time and time again. She was doing as much damage to Jews as the Institute of Historical Review people. Her distortions of Catholicism were ugly.

Yes, I considered her an opponent, and not an honorable one. Just as everyone here has tried to learn more about destructive people, we tried to learn more about a destructive, very anonymous person.

If you want to call it stalking and think stalking is bad, stop writing about those involved in the New Age movement.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Dorothy, what sect of Judaism do you practice?

Anonymous said...

Dorothy,


I dont want to be rude but youre a very unhappy person. Are you on any medication?

Regards,
Steve.

Anonymous said...

Steve,

Are you a Christian? The reason I ask is, your post @5:10 would suggest the heart of one who has never read the gospel or, worse, who HAS but does not believe in it.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 4:16
Do you really think Jesus was the only one in history who used those kind of rules for group members? There might be spiritual warfare taking place, but don't depend on those words to prove it. Very different kinds of groups use those rules.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Yes Dorothy,

Im concerned about your state of mind.


Regards,
Steve.

Anonymous said...

Because there is no way I could change my lifestyle enough to belong to an Orthodox Judaism community in these later years of my life, I think like an Orthodox Jew but belong to a Conservative congregation.

Yes, right now I'm very unhappy. How would you feel if someone who was a major part of your life for almost 30 years turned out to be someone you really didn't know.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Steve,

My name isn't Dorothy.

If you were really concerned about Dorothy, you would not have posted what you did. Since unlike Dorothy I AM a Christian, I am calling you to account for your ungodly actions, in accordance with scripture.

Anonymous said...

Id ask what was my part in it all. Id stop blaming and apologize, especialy if I upset her blog without cause. Then Id hope the friendship could be resumed.

Regards,
Steve.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Steve,

If Dorothy is on any meds could this be why she has responded to Constance's inquiries about Bjorn, Rob and Joyce?

Even the best God Fearing Christians on Anti-Psychotic/Anti-Depressant Drugs can at times exhibit brash tendencies.

It was a question based on all of her previous posts on this thread, not an attack.

Come on people.

Anonymous said...

Steve,

You need to go back and read the gospels. You sound like a pop psychologist not a Christian.

Read the gospels. Allow Him to speak to your heart.

Anonymous said...

OK.

This is not Steve.

Dorothy are you on any meds?

With much love and care.

Anonymous said...

5:56

This is not Dorothy.

There are a lot of people at this blog who don't like Dorothy because she is a Jew. Thanks for reminding us.

Maybe now you will all finally get your wish and she will leave permanently, taking her insights with her.

Oh, happy happy days for you all. Praise the Lord and stuff.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of people who don't like dorothy because she is nasty.

Nothing to do with her being a jew.

Her playing the AS card every time is a downrite offense to all jewish folk who suffer real anti-semitism.

The point is she is nasty.

Anonymous said...

You people who keep talking about psychiatric medications, I refer you to the ministry of Martin and Deidre Bobgan.

You people need to spend some time learning about the anti-Christian agenda at the heart of the psychology and psychiatriy industries which are anti-God and seeped in the New Age:

http://www.atruechurch.info/bobgan.html
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are merely ignorant of this fact and not Hypocrites. Because we know from reading the gospels exactly what Our Lord thought of hypocrites.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Anonymous said...

You people need to lay off Dorothy now. Enough is enough.

Anonymous said...

The AS card is always a red flag.

Constance Cumbey said...

Dorothy,

I never saw the slightest hint of anti-Semitism from Joyce. You construed same from her profession of belief in Jesus. I wasn't thrilled about many of Joyce's posts myself, but I was equally unhappy at the allegations you made against her. You redefined "New Age" as the "mixing of religions". I would define it as the corruption of truth.

Constance

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous:

Dorothy doesn't need anybody to speak for her.

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Anonymous said...

OK the AS card has won, again.

Goodnight folks.

Anonymous said...

How about Dorothy laying off Constance??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

6:24

I am not speaking for Dorothy. I am speaking for myself according to my conscience.

I learned from Jesus Christ's words and from His life to stand up for my brothers and sisters and this includes Jews.

Anonymous said...

I am well aware that Dorothy can speak for herself. I have not been here long, don't know her, and don't always agree with her, but this is exactly what is wrong here, and you don't have to be here long to figure it out. Some of you just continue kicking a person, and it is ridiculous.

Even if she is/was wrong, which I am not saying she is, your behavior is downright ungodly.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Constance Cumbey said...

To Mike in Colorado:

Why June 14th as a date? The midpoint of 2010 would not be until mid June, earliest.

Consta

Anonymous said...

Does Dorothy by any chance practice astrology?

Constance Cumbey said...

I am going to ask FOR ONE LAST TIME for the bickering to stop. I have serious research to do and this tempest in a teapot does nothing to edify any of us.

Constance

BattleCreekDavid said...

Will the real anonymous please stand up!?

Anonymous said...

David of Battlecreek go and report to the nearest Fema camp immediately.

Constance Cumbey said...

I am just asking that when we get young, enthusiastic people such as Rob of London and Jenny of Australia that we not immediately excoriate them for not contributing data on the New Age Movement. Dorothy has made invaluable contributions over the years, but I do feel with no small justification that sometimes she has been overly harsh on people not on our level of understanding. As I said before, it is time we well realized that none of us are perfect and show a little human compassion.

Constance

Rob said...

I am breaking my silence hopefully to end this bickering.

I believe that enough is enough for all concerned. I do not know if my opinion is worth anything here, but I think that the pack-mentality against Dorothy is wrong despite what she has done.

I personally have forgiven her, and ask that others can do likewise so that this mess can be stopped, and hurt on all sides is stopped.

Thank you for listening to me.

God bless,

Rob.

Constance Cumbey said...

Thank you, Rob! I think it is high time we all "kissed and made up."

Constance

Anonymous said...

Constance,
Have you forgotten the New Age movement has several parts, two of which are one world government and one world religion. Just how do you think a one world religion is to come about? A magic wand where everyone becomes a Buddhist or an occult practitioner? Blended and turned is the answer. Go and reread the role religion is to play in the book Open Conspiracy by Wells. Go into your Parliament of World Religions file and reread what's there.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Dorothy,

Now that you have admitted belonging to the sect of Judaism known as "Conservative Judaism" please answer the following questions:

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation allow the ordination of women as rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation ordain gay and lesbian rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation practice kabbalistic mysticism?

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Dorothy opened this door.
Will she close it just for the record?

Jenny said...

DEar Constance thank you for your comment to me..

Yes... that was a funny remark about the belly buttons how true it might be after all God created Adam and Eve.

please WE all need to stop and think once again about our stand about forgiveness. Are we not learning from each other love and grace. our 2c is not worth losing salvation.
Jesus said this is my commandment that you love on another as I have loved you.

Offenses is the most sever weapon Satan will use to bring distentions between us so please remember, It don't matter what our Position is just as long as it don't cause an offense.

"Amazing Grace" how sweet the sound..... how can we sing this song when fight and slandering going on not just here but every where. We all need to examine our hearts so please let "God" deal with us.

Your sister in the Lord
((((hugs))))

Jenny

Rob said...

Thanks Constance, I agree. (6:44PM)

Well said Jenny, (6:55PM)

God bless you both,

and all here.



Rob.

Jenny said...

Dear Rob and Dorothy,

Great to see you are back Rob don't leave Hun stay as Constance said you are valuable to this sight and Yes you forgave Dorothy.
Your heart is teachable and soft.

Dorothy pay no attention to the drug allegations on you, most of us know you have been falsely accused.

Their seems to me to be a patten of what is happening here through "this in and that in"...

As was pointed out earlier about the boxing ring now its becoming a 3 ring circus. God forbid this!!

Jesus I come against every lofty thoughts that sets up it's own will and ask that you bring the hearts back to you for worship as to stand holly and blameless in your sight and others Dear lord. Lift your name high in the mist of all this chaos, lead our hearts to your truth as to stand for one and all, in the precious name of our Savior Jesus. Amen!!!

Obedience is better that sacrifice. Amen!!!


Love you all

(((hugs))))

Anonymous said...

Const - I stand corrected by your observation. The ENPI started on either 10/1706 or 1/1/07. And I am not sure which? So sometime in June - would that be a fair characterization?

And gee's folks, in the two years I have been reading all of your thoughts on this blog I have never seen such anger amongst some of us. I had seen on other blogs where imposters portrayed themselves as a frequent visitor with explosive postings, and I wonder if this is happening here?

Someday we will have identity assurance thru Web 2.0 to prevent this, if you choose it, right JD?

Mike in Colorado

ps - Constance, what a trained eye you have. Your not a litigator are you? You sure appear to be one.

Anonymous said...

This interrogation has gone on too long. No I'm not on any medication. My rabbi has warned the congregation about the New Age movement and has written many articles for publication warning about the New Age movement. He has spoken during High Holiday sermons warning about NA. No, it's not a sect. The Conservative movement is a branch of Judaism. The synagogue is a belongs to United Synagogue. No we do not go into the dungeon under the synagogue and practice mystical Kabbalah under candlelight. (What an absolutely stupid question!)

The only reason you feel so secure in asking me questions is unlike others I'm honest. I do not remain anonymous like almost everyone else here. I do not have other agendas.

If you thought I was not to be trusted, you wouldn't have asked such personal questions, thinking I might be lying and it would be useless to ask them.

I expect to see rounds of questions directed at everyone here.

How about you Steve. Are you on any medications?

You Rob, what's your last name and where do you live in London? Do you have any siblings?

And you Mac...do you own your own home and how much did you pay for it? If you don't own your own home, why not?

Jenny, why not not do a Show and Tell for us about the church you go to.

Constance, since you know so much about Kabbalah, why don't you tell us how the Greek Kabbalah differs from the Christian Kabbalah and how they differ from what you would learn in books at a New Age bookstore....

Oh this sharing is so much fun isn't it! Frankly I don't give a darn about any of that information. It's that I just want to be part of this twitter crowd.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Dorothy says, "Because there is no way I could change my lifestyle enough to belong to an Orthodox Judaism community in these later years of my life, I think like an Orthodox Jew but belong to a Conservative congregation."

Dorothy,

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation allowing the ordination of women as rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation ordain gay and lesbian rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation practice kabbalistic mysticism?

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Anonymous said...

The United Synagogue Of Conservative Judaism Dorothy?

Dorothy is your Rabbi male?

Do you practice Kabbalah?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation allow the ordination of women as rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation ordain gay and lesbian rabbis?

Jenny said...

Dear Dorothy

I'm not attacking you..

I will not attack you...

God wouldn't want me attacking you...

no offense taken just loving you.

I don't have a church to attend to either they tickle ears and watered down or the new age crept in. I live in a small community in the hills. As I said before when I talk about what is going on in the new age they laugh and think I'm over the top etc...I smile back at them hun do the same here. Don't stress.
Not all ppl here are against you remember that love ...ok

Constance Cumbey said...

The European Neighbourhood Policy went into effect on January 1, 2007.

Constance

Rob said...

I live in East London Dorothy. It could be somewhere in Tower Hamlets (eg Bethnal Green or Whitechapel), Hackney, Newham, Barking and Dagenham, Redbridge, Ilford, or other. I shall not specify exactly where. My surname is not relevant here, nor is my NI Number.

I loved Mr. Men books as a child, especially Mr. Bump, eating Caramac, Grange Hill, etc. I hope that is British enough for you.

I have forgiven you, and I am sorry for my earlier anger with you. I am also sad for all of the flak you have consequently suffered.

Like Jenny, I also know the accusations against you being on drugs to be completely unfounded, and it was a disgraceful thing to say.

Peace be with you Dorothy.

God bless you,

Rob.

Jenny said...

Dear Dorothy

Only God can show you truth I don't believe in the Cabala either but that is not a slur on you..Sometimes we are blinded to what is really going on and the scales over the eyes stops us from seeing truth.

This is not putting you down ppl love you here. ok
God bless you
(((hugs)))

Rob said...

Anonymous 7:33/7:40PM,

I am asking you to please let it go now. I understand you want to push the point but I do not believe it is achieving anything but pain. Please let it go, and have mercy in this situation.

We are to do unto others as we would HAVE DONE unto us.

'Vengence is mine saith the Lord, I shall repay.'

Please have a heart, and let the subject go.

Thank you.

God bless you for your understanding.

Rob.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy some sects of Conservative Judaism practice kabbalah and condone homosexuality with their rabbis as well as marriages.

Your honesty can painlessly close this door as God opens a new window for you.

The United Synagogue Of Conservative Judaism Dorothy?

Dorothy is your Rabbi male?

Do you practice Kabbalah?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation allow the ordination of women as rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation ordain gay and lesbian rabbis?

Jenny said...

Dear Rob,

Rob Said
I am asking you to please let it go now. I understand you want to push the point but I do not believe it is achieving anything but pain. Please let it go, and have mercy in this situation.

Well said brother
This goes for all of us.

Peace Shalom and rest in Him.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy, does your Conservative Judaism Congregation marry gay and lesbian couples?

If God closes one door for you Dorothy, He will open a new window.

Jenny said...

Rob


OPPS left out your scriptures Sony mate...
Getting ready for work..

I'm off for now back later.

Gods Peace to all please reflect on His word where ever you are.

Love and prayers for all

(((hugs)))2

Rob said...

Thanks Jenny,

God bless you sister.

Rob.

Rob said...

Love and prayers to you too Jen,

may the Lord watch over and protect you in His love, in Jesus Christ's Name.

Rob.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Let it go mate. You are not vindicated just because Dorothy is not answering you. If you feel you've sown a seed, stop pressing the trowel down on it.

All that you're causing is further stress and pain, and pushing Dorothy away. Don't swallow a camel whilst straining a gnat is what I'm saying. Let the situation go, and leave it in God's hands now surely.


I doubt your going to get an answer by keeping on pressing the point, come on, let it go. The Lord will deal with it.

I am not going to post anymore to you here, I just hope you pause and reflect and remember that we should love one another.

I hope you can find it within your heart to do this.

Peace be unto you in the Name of Jesus Christ,


Rob.

Rob said...

Anonymous,

Let it go mate. You are not vindicated just because Dorothy is not answering you. If you feel you've sown a seed, stop pressing the trowel down on it.

All that you're causing is further stress and pain, and pushing Dorothy away. Don't swallow a camel whilst straining a gnat is what I'm saying. Let the situation go, and leave it in God's hands now surely.


I doubt your going to get an answer by keeping on pressing the point, come on, let it go. The Lord will deal with it.

I am not going to post anymore to you here, I just hope you pause and reflect and remember that we should love one another.

I hope you can find it within your heart to do this.

Peace be unto you in the Name of Jesus Christ,


Rob.

Jenny said...

Dear Dorothy

Chin up hun. We don't kick a dog when its down neither do I. We come along side and hold you up in prayer no matter where we stand .. yes!!!

Not referring you to a dog... no way, your a women of substance and God loves you very much...sleep on this.

Oh Gosh its time to get to work or I don't eat.

Jesus Peace over you

(((hugs)))

BattleCreekDavid said...

Hey, wait a minute. There aren't any FEMA camps around here. Maybe underneath the Federal Center or Kellogg's or Post or...who knows. And they probably make you eat the left over cereal from last year's cereal fest. Either way. I know a lot of camp songs. Just as long as they don't make you watch "Battlefield Earth". I don't think I could take that.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:40 and Battlecreek David:

Thanks for providing a much needed lighter moment. I have been laughing to myself all night since the Anon 6:40 comment, and Battlecreek David at 9:35 was the topper.

Dawn said...

I would like to know how many times Anon and Steve flush their toilets every day? I would also like to know what radio stations you listen to and how many hours you have spent on the computer.

Anon and Anon --Would you please sign your name or have some other type of identification, perhaps even a letter or two of the alphabet!

Why are you brow beating Dorothy? What has she done to you? Are you a Christian? Don't you think, no matter what type of congregation she is a part of that we should try to be kind to her?

Rob--
I am still trying to figure you all out.

Blue annon--
Thanks for coming in and saying something first. I hope you can contribute to this blog more.

To all who are newbies (Jenny, Rob, all annons)

Let me give you a piece of advice. As it is free you can take it or leave it. 1) go to the main page and you will see links to Constance's books. The Hidden Danger book is the one you should read first.
2)Then spend about two weeks not posting just see how much there is out in your neighborhood or in your groups and see what you can come back with.
3)Then I would suggest coming back with fresh eyes.

This is what I did. I was lost for a whole year on this blog. Then I read her book. I started to understand more. Then you start to pick up things in groups that you are involved in. The number seems to be greater than 3,000 or 10,000 I am sure there are things in your neck of the woods.

Anonymous said...

Off topic here.

Since this site has been about discerning wolves among sheep, I have noticed that for a long time that Glenn Beck's stature hasn't been appreciated nor has been criticized.

I honestly think that he is a pawn in the game of the new age. He is a reductionist by practice since he reduces almost all problems in economic terms. He doesn't really bring anything outside the Marxist perspective that every social act is determined by the economy. He slams the Catholic Church by saying that social justice is nothing but socialism,Nazism etc.whereas the social teachings of the Catholic Church teach only about the morality and not the economic systems per se. Beck numbs the masses by mentioning "sharing the wealth" in a wrong context. A common american will not feel threatened by the such phrase if is not expounded thoroughly, therefore what he does I think just makes the common American think unconsciously, "what's so bad about Marxism then?

If Beck really wants to share the truth, he can easily say that a it is impossible to have a Marxist president that believes in God. Since the core Marxism is radical materialism which means that everything is fundamentally matter. Marxism is equal to atheism, not by analogy, but in reality.It is like an atheism with purpose, and that purpose is to destroy religion.

The real horror of Marxism is not the abolition of private property, not that in itself it is not a horror, but rather the abolition of religion.

Pat from Manila

Dawn said...

Pat--
Some time I will have to share my whole journey of Loving to distrusting Beck. What I will say about him, he is getting some information out there that is true. He calls it Progressive movement, we would call it NAM.

I too think he is being used and controlled. Occasionally he will say something only once that is not like the rest of his stuff never to touch on it again. These are usually the important things that he is able to get by whomever. The rest of it is alot of fluff. I fear he is also being used by those in all circles from all sides. The NAM, progressives and the dominion movement (they are willing to forgive he is Mormon because he pulls Christians into the movement).

Anonymous said...

To whom it may concern:

Dorothy is not on TRIAL here. You are not her judge and jury.

Dorothy and Constance share a long history together. If they both feel the need to air their differences, it's not anyone's place here to interfere in that exchange.



Enough is enough.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy, just send us the link to your Conservative Judaism Congregation so we can read your Rabbi's thoughts on the NA movement.

If God closes one door for you Dorothy, He will open a new window.

Anonymous said...

Hey, 1:08 AM -

Why don't you go 'open a new window' and JUMP OUT!!!

Anonymous said...

Pat from Manila,

Thank you for a thought-provoking post on Glenn Beck. I have long had my suspicions about him and continue to watch him with skepticism.

Please post more, as this type of analytical commentary is very valuable to people here.

Anonymous said...

If I thought anyone reading here had a sincere interest in Judaism I would post the link. In fact I could post several. However reading the posts in the past few days has convinced me otherwise. There isn't even much intellectual curiosity.

Stay fat, happy and content. That's not a bad life for a lot of you.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

After lurking here a while and reading all these posts I am now quite curious about why Dorothy will not answer those questions. Is it just stubbornness or is the inquisitor on to something?

Rob said...

Dawn,

"Rob--
I am still trying to figure you all out."

That's alright. I think it is because I am from a different culture.


Without wishing to reignite the issues, I returned to post here only to defend Jenny against vicious unfounded attacks upon her character, which came from Dorothy.

I then became the target of Dorothy's attacks, which led even to defamation of my character, slander & libel, and all sorts of hateful unfounded allegations against me, which I did not respond to because my objective had been to defend Jenny, and also Constance was then emotionally blackmailed.

God laid it on my heart for me to turn the other cheek and walk away and therefore I kept my mouth shut, and laid down my pride and my right to defend my character and respect, so that Dorothy and Constance could repair their friendship.

I then had enough of seeing Dorothy berated and attacked and so I've intervened as I have thought it unjust and over the top, and have hoped it is not in revenge for what happened to me.

Am I hurt? Yes. Am I angry? Yes. But that does not mean I have not given this over to the Lord and that I have not forgiven. I have handed this over to God I know He will deal with the situation.

I shall now stop posting again.

God bless you all mightily,

the Peace and Love of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ be with you all,

Rob in London.

Rob said...

To Anon at 5:00AM

I just think Dorothy and everyone has had enough.

You are BEHAVING LIKE A Nazi. You should be ashamed of yourself!

I will pray for you.

Rob.

Rob said...

I shall now post no more threads here.


God bless all who post here.


Rob.

Rob said...

Dear All,

I said, I shall post no more threads, please forgive me for this last post.

To the anonymous poster that keeps haranging Dorothy.

If you have evidence that Dorothy is PERSONALLY involved in a PARTICULAR 'Conservative' group, that may give reason for your otherwise perverse and impertinent comments, SUBMIT IT!

I SAID PERSONALLY LINKING DOROTHY. I PUT IT TO YOU THAT YOU HAVE NO SUCH EVIDENCE, AND THAT THEREFORE YOU ARE FABRICATING AN UNFOUNDED TISSUE OF ALLEGATIONS, THE ORIGINS OF WHICH ARE TO BE FOUND NOWHERE BUT IN THE CALLOUS INTENTIONS OF YOUR HEART.



To All,

My post to the anonymous poster above, appears to the intelligent as though I have indeed been playing some underhanded Alinsky tactics all along. I assure you this is not the case. I am not, however, stupid, which is why I am pointing it out!

I believe Dorothy has suffered more than enough already. There is, therefore, no underlying tactic meant against Dorothy by my rebuking of the Anonymous poster currently harrassing her. I am not in cohoots with him or her (though I suspect a him), in a good-cop vs bad-cop role.

The comments I have made to him are in no way meant to otherwise manipulate, that is why I am, as they say in English literary criticism, 'laying bare the device', although there really is no alternative motive on my part here.

As I said earlier I do not like bullying, wherever it comes from.

I hope all can forgive, forget and move forward.

Thank you Constance for all you do and put up with here.

I shall now leave no more threads and let the matter rest, despite anyones responses. Please ignore any further responses from the Anon that is haranging Dorothy.

Thank you.


Peace be with you all, in the Name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,

God bless,

Rob in London.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy,

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation allow the ordination of women as rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation ordain gay and lesbian rabbis?

Dorothy do you practice kabbalah?

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Dorothy, does your Conservative Judaism Congregation marry gay and lesbian couples?

If God closes one door for you Dorothy, He will open a new window.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy wrote, "Because there is no way I could change my lifestyle enough to belong to an Orthodox Judaism community in these later years of my life, I think like an Orthodox Jew but belong to a Conservative congregation.

Yes, right now I'm very unhappy. How would you feel if someone who was a major part of your life for almost 30 years turned out to be someone you really didn't know.

Dorothy"

Anonymous said...

Dorothy,

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation allow the ordination of women as rabbis?

Does your Conservative Judaism Congregation ordain gay and lesbian rabbis?

Dorothy do you practice kabbalah?

Dorothy, is your Conservative Congregation a member of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism or with the worldwide Masorti/Conservative movement?

Dorothy, does your Conservative Judaism Congregation marry gay and lesbian couples?

If God closes one door for you Dorothy, He will open a new window.

Anonymous said...

In regards to Kabbalah

Dorothy wrote to Constance about Christian Kabbalah:

Dorothy wrote:
"Constance at 4:44
Maybe you aren't as knowledgeable as you portray yourself. Try researching Christian Kabbalah. That group distorted Kabbalah over 800 years ago for their own beliefs.

Dorothy"

So this definition kabbalah was defined as occultic.

Kabbalah is difficult to categorize because it is a subjective non-falsifiable belief system. In other words, it rests in non-verifiable philosophy, not in historic fact. Nevertheless, kaballah is a mystical and esoteric system of observing and interpreting the universe and mankind that also seeks to reveal the true relationship between God, man, and the universe. It teaches that there is a divine being, neither male nor female, that has 10 primary aspects called sephirot which are represented in the Tree of Life (see diagram to the left). Kabbalah teaches that the supreme being created the universe through a series of those 10 aspects that descended through various levels until creation was fully realized.

There are slightly different definitions of the word "Kabbalah". One source says it comes from the three Hebrew kbl which means "reception". Another source says "Kabbalah is a word meaning "tradition."1
Kabbalah is also known as cabala, cabalah, kabala, caballah, qabala, qabalah, etc. You do not have to be Jewish to study Kabbalah and its proponents state that it can adapt itself to any religious system.
Furthermore, the Kabbalist is supposed to gain understanding about God and himself by learning to understand these 10 aspects, their relationship to each other, and then apply the principles thus learned in his own life to help him return back to God -- Kabbalah teaches the soul's pre-existence.

Kaballah is the way of viewing reality based upon subjective, experiential interpretations of the world, life, death, creation, meaning, purpose, etc. It is an inner-contemplative movement and is considered to be a way of life. Kabbalah relies heavily on mystical interpretations of the first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) as well as the rest of the Old Testament. Its premises are that there are secret and hidden meanings in the biblical text that can be discovered by examining the shape of Hebrew letters, the gematria of words (mathematical values), and how these word values relate to each other. The problem is that this method often draws conclusions that are in contradiction to the plain teaching of the text that it examines. Thus, Kabbalah can have a variety of disjointed beliefs. This is why David A. Cooper, a Kabbalist, says, "Kabbalah does not lend itself to a straightforward definition or even a clear-cut history...it teaches us about the mysteries of life, how the creation works, where we are going, and how we get there."2

http://www.carm.org/what-kabbalah

7:38 PM"

Constance confirms:
"Yes,

Cabala/Kabbalah is considered by the New Agers as part of the Movement. The thing to remember about the New Age Movement is the METHOD which is MYSTICISM moving people away from analytical "left brain" to "Spiritual", "symbolic" thinking.

After all, who in their full, rational mind would ever embrace their agenda?

http://hsf.bgu.ac.il/cjt/files/electures/NAKabbalah1.htm

Constance"

Constance then writes to the definer:

"To Anonymous 7:38

Sure looks like occultism to me.

Constance"

Conservative Judaism Congregations practice kabbalah.

Dorothy, does your Conservative Judaism Congregation permit you o practice kabbalah?

Do you practice any form of kabbalah?

If God closes one door for you Dorothy, He will open a new window.

Anonymous said...

Pat in Manila-
I don't see much of that in Beck, but I almost never get to see his show, but only hear him on the radio (except I turn it off when his feminine side comes out, which, according to his producer, is 90%). Today he is discussing what he sees as groundwork to make Peurto Rico a state, more or less against their will, and thereby getting more voters for the Progressives. He is also talking about the global tax (I think) that will be pushed. He also talked about how so many of the politicians are pushing for bigger government, and then all it will take will be some bad guy in power
to take the reins. Hmm, maybe once the ten trade zones are set up, every zone will adapt a Recommendation 666 type document for emergencies, and when one comes, the ten will all give their powers to a leader. Just my musing.

Anonymous said...

I wanna know too.

Dorothy wrote, "Because there is no way I could change my lifestyle enough to belong to an Orthodox Judaism community in these later years of my life, I think like an Orthodox Jew but belong to a Conservative congregation.

Yes, right now I'm very unhappy. How would you feel if someone who was a major part of your life for almost 30 years turned out to be someone you really didn't know.

Dorothy"

Anonymous said...

Whoever you are Anonymous, obviously you are a Christian? Does your pastor teach Christian mysticism and encourage you to practice it? Do you even know what it is? Is Christian mysticism part of the occult?

Whatever is your occupation at what level did it stop? If you drive a car, why didn't you stop at driving a bicycle? If you are a lawyer, why didn't you stop at paralegal? If you are a nurse, why did you stop there and not become a doctor on your own? If you can run a household, why did you stop there and not run a hotel? If you are Catholic, why aren't you the Pope?

The more intelligent a person is, the more they can be challenged and the more they want to be challenged in understanding the world around them. The problem comes when individuals attempt to go beyond their limitations because they don't know their limitations.

Damage is done in the world by people who assume they have no limitations, those who assume much and know little. It's why New Age is so popular. Too many people do not realize their limitations. It's why we have quack alternative health practitioners, and people like you who knew nothing about Kabbalah and yet assumed you did know a lot. It's quite obvious you still know nothing even after looking it up.

Kabbalah is no more occult than Christian mysticism, the philosophy of Kant or nuclear physics. There is no stopping speculation about any part of the world we live in. Kabbalah is speculation about the unseen.

Has popular study of kabbalah done damage? Only in the middle ages to the Jewish community. It hasn't produced hydrogen bombs, murdering governments or Branch Davidians. Do you think people who rightly or wrongly study kabbalah run around casting spells on unsuspecting neighbors? By the way, kabbalah isn't practiced. It's something studied.

No I don't study Kabbalah. I'm old enough to have learned my limitations. No I've never heard Kabbalah talked about in any of the synagogues I've belonged to. And no, it's not because I run away from learning about ideas that are over my head.

Why don't you start here and learn something about Christian mysticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism before you go making comments about mysticism in a religion about which you know nothing. After you've become a scholar in the area of Christian mysticism, start learning about Kabbalah.

Reading your comments I think you need to go further back in learning about Christianity. Start with the Two Great Commandments and move on to the Ten Commandments where you are taught how to treat your neighbor. It seems to me you need to learn the basics of morality before you try mysticism.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Dorothy writes "No I don't study Kabbalah."

The question still remains:

Do you currently practice any form of kabbalah."

If God closes one door for you Dorothy, He will open a new window.

Anonymous said...

Dorothy writes "kabbalah isn't practiced. It's something studied."

To study is to know.
To know is to practice.

From The Kabbalah Centre TM

Kabbalah is ancient wisdom and practical tools for creating joy and lasting fulfillment now.

http://www.kabbalah.com/

Do you use the practical tools of kabbalah in any form daily?

If God closes one door for you Dorothy, He will open a new window.

JD said...

And I was accused of being a bully? Multiple people across the board, even some who don't neccesarily agree with Dorothy, have asked for this to stop. Dorothy has answered questions which she was not obligated to, which came from a person who levied accusations that she was mentally unstable and needed medicated. It should be becoming obvious that the questions are not what really matters, as even after Dorothy has answered them said person persists. How long are we as a group going to put up with this? How long shall we let a deviant attack which only damages this blog continue? How long will we let this smear the reputation of all who post here?

Constance Cumbey said...

Dorothy is correct about the dangers of Christian mysticism.

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

I am going to immediately start deleting obvious "cut and paste" repeat blog posts.

Constance

JD said...

For anyone still reading, Herescope has yet another good article up about the mayday event and the associated esoteric teachings.

Constance Cumbey said...

I would appreciate everybody leaving Dorothy's Conservative Judaism congregation alone! Dorothy and I have had extreme differences over the handling of certain blogspot participants, but there is no disputing the value of her work over the past 29 years.

Constance

Anonymous said...

JD,

Happy to see you chime in, that is what is needed, someone with sense, intelligence, and credibility.

If a few more regulars that have a little clout around here, do what you have done, you may start to see this problem diminish in the future.

Anonymous said...

You are really mixed up. Do you really practice everything you know. Do you practice New Age because you know something about it? Do you practice Obama's politics because you know something about them?

Everyone knows the Kabbalah Centre is a cult operation. It's a money making operation that doesn't teach Kabbalah. It sells pop psychology to goofballs like Madonna along with products like red thread bracelets for lots of money.

If you call a dog a horse, it doesn't make it a horse.

No dearheart I do not "practice" or read Kabbalah on an hourly, daily, weekly, yearly, century basis. I have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you tell me how I would "practice" Kabbalah. This I have to see.

http://www.shemayisrael.com/shaar_hashamaim/who.htm
You might have read that the Mekubbalim practice Kaabbalah.
"Although Kabbalists in all generations have been engaged in healing the sick, helping people in distress, and offering guidance to anyone who sought it, these deeds were only the result of their compassionate natures that they developed so arduously, and not the aim of Kabbalah. The experience of Kabbalah implants a holiness in the hearts of its followers. They attain higher planes of consciousness and gain a new harmony with all their surroundings. These aspects as well as their love and affection for all beings, contribute to their self perfection. Despite being engaged in the study of the higher Realms of Existence, the Kabbalist does not become disconnected from daily life, community, and family. On the contrary, his deep understanding causes him to have a special good-heartedness towards every detail of life, and emphasizes an awareness of the meaning of Human Relations."

I have enough problems trying to put together the information on the New Age movement into some sort of cohesive pattern.

For those looking for authentic information on the Kabbalah, here are two sites.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/kabbalah.html

and

http://www.shemayisrael.com/shaar_hashamaim/kabala.htm

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Thank you Constance for acknowledging what Dorothy has posted about herself that she is a Conservative Jew and a member of a Conservative Judaism Congregation.

To JD and Dorothy's fans.

If Dorothy would answer the questions instead of misdirecting them then this would have stopped immediately. Apparently, whats good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

But as Constance has asked us, "I would appreciate everybody leaving Dorothy's Conservative Judaism congregation alone!", we therefore acknowledge Dorothy Margraff pleading the 5th on her personal Conservative Judaism views.

This case remains irreconciled.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/07/us/07jews.html
Read the story anonymous.

However I don't see Christians leaving Christianity in droves because some churches have accepted homosexual pastors. I don't leave this country because of the present administration and I didn't leave this blog when certain posters came on.

If you believe strongly in something, you fight when corruption enters. No male who is a real man leaves his wife when a prettier face comes around.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Constance (and JD), The DANGER is that you can lose your witness when it might really have impacted someone. One of this world’s oldest analogies’ is (in many forms) “the Boy who cried wolf”. When the wolf does appear for real (whomever the Anti Christ is or whatever the "mark of the beast" might be).. Who will listen? As for the whole "Watchman" thing. Do you know what happened to heralds who 'got it wrong'? not a pretty sight.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous (5:00 AM)
"Is it just stubbornness or is the inquisitor on to something?"
__________________________________

The only thing the 'inquisitor' is on to is continuing to be obnoxious!!!

I repeat: Dorothy is not on TRIAL here.

JD said...

Anon 12:36,

Dorothy did answer the questions, you chose to ignore her response. Further more her congregation is none of your business. She did not bring her beliefs in Judaism here to spread them, unlike some she does not try to convert others. She has openly stated multiple times that she does not practice nor study Kabbalah. Had you been around here for any length of time, you would have known that already as its a subject that has come up in the past. Before you ask her about her beliefs or congregation, why not post yours? After all you do want to be fair don't you? You wouldn't expect her to answer questions that your not willing to answer would you? Dorothy at least has a history here that most (even if they don't like her) know of. All we know about you is you like to hide behind an anonymous tag and attack others, even those who have had disagreements with Dorothy have recognized such. If you want info on others why not lead by example?

JD said...

Anon 2:07,

So tell me, if I am indeed crying wolf, what is acceptable about tagging objects, people, and everything else under the sun in the name of Sustainable Development? Which of the Holistic principles of Sustainable Development are acceptable to you? Why do you support Holism when it is a key principle of pantheism and panentheism? Do you not believe that people deserve to be warned about government mandated Holism or pantheism?

BattleCreekDavid said...

Anon 12:36,

The case is only irreconciled with you. And, Dorothy doesn't have to answer you at all. Why is it so important to you what Dorothy does? You have given Dorothy a great deal of importance in your life. If you are a Christian, then there should only ONE life important to you. You almost seem like some kind of stalker.

It is obvious to me you are not here to learn anything about the New Age Movement or the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. You are here only to find a way to tear down the people who post here. You can try to fool others into thinking you're a Christian, but you can't fool God. Your ways are the ways of Judas and the serpent in the Garden. A tree is known for the fruit it bears. And your fruit is poison.

I try and stay out of bickering. But this is not mere bickering. What your doing is harrassment, plain and simple.

I'll tell you what, Dorothy is tougher than you think. And you won't succeed in tearing her down!

JD said...

Before I am accused of making up a tie between Sustainable Development and Holism.

1.Sustainable Development Africa - Home
Sustainable Development solutions demand HOLISTIC thinking. Working in partnership with industry, government and other organisations, we have ...

sustainabledevelopmentafrica.com

2.Sustainable Development Initiative — Sustainable Development ...
Sustainable Development Initiative. Last modified 2010-03-11 18:37 ... and the food economy into a HOLISTIC approach to reach sustainable community goals. ...

sustainabledevelopment.osu.edu

4.Foundations for a Sustainable Common Future - UN Documents ...
The values guiding development need to reflect a sustainable consensus of the ... In the context of sustainable development, a HOLISTIC approach must embody a commitment ...

www.un-documents.net/values/fscf.htm

6.Holistic Learning for Sustainable Development According to ... (PDF)
Keywords: Holistic Learning, Education for Sustainable Development, Deep ... promoted following the King's concern about sustainable development and the ...

unescobkk.org/fileadmin/user_upload/.../Prapapat_Niyom.pdf -

6.Call for Papers - Interpretive Political Social Analysis ...
Health, Holism and Sustainable Development: Civilizational Crises and Cultural Change. ... Sustainable development has been defined as 'development that meets the needs of the ...

www.ucc.ie/ipsaw/call05.htm - 22k

Some more info on Holism cna be found below, including all of the typical New Age mumbo jumbo, interconnectivity, its association with quantum mysticism, as well as pantheism/panentheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holism

http://www.answers.com/topic/holism

http://tinyurl.com/25vgep3

http://tinyurl.com/2ahmu69

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/new%20agey

So again, if I am crying wolf, what about this is acceptable to you?

JD said...

Ooohh, I almost missed a good one.

Living in Harmony with Gaia
Holism and Ecological Spirituality
and
The emerging eco-spiritual civilisation

http://tinyurl.com/2d4rvpq

and another

"Critical Holism": A New Development Paradigm Inspired by ...
235k - Adobe PDF - View as html
Thailand and abroad towards sustainable development and genuine progress. ... Age will consolidate. this world view or whether new opportunities for human development ...
http://tinyurl.com/27b9ast

and another

Democracy and Regional Sustainable Development: Probing the ...
113k - Adobe PDF - View as html
Assuming regional sustainable development (RSD) to be an acknowledged goal ... sustainable development requires a new consciousness with respect to ...
http://tinyurl.com/2bd45q3

"The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and
spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest
opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level."
- Al Gore,
Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech

"In Nature organic growth proceeds according
to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is
missing from the process of growth and development of
the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for
sustainable growth and world development based on global
allocation of all resources and a new global economic system.
Ten or twenty years form today it will probably be too late."
- Club of Rome,
Mankind at the Turning Point

http://green-agenda.com/index.html

Stop me when you can tell me how this is acceptable and should not be warned against.

Anonymous said...

JD

You missed it again. It's not about what you think, it is about how people react to your words today. When it turns out they should be watching the Shepherd and not the wolf, who will tell them? You?

YesNaSpanishTown said...

JD,

I also noted the post on Herescope. I clicked one of the links. Did you read the following?

http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=41538&columnid=4347

Here is a blatant connection to holism in the NAR:

Every covenant that God ever made with mankind was for the purpose of engaging humanity in the Dominion Process. Both the connection of man to the earth and the two-fold sequence of Dominion Process are found in each one.

Re: Adamic Covenant:

After the fall, God spoke directly to the connection of man to the earth and how man’s condition affected the earth.

Noahic Covenant:

Notice the connection of Noah and his family to the earth and the two-fold sequence of the Dominion Process that gave humanity a blessing so it could then bless the earth as it was repopulated.

Year of Jubilee:

As a side note, two specific events within the Law reaffirmed the connection of the redeemed seed and the land.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord shall come like a thief in the night in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are in it shall be burned up.

Lest anyone misinterpret my intent, I do believe that we are to be good stewards of the earth and that we should not abuse the resources that God gave us to maintain life on this planet. However, this earth will pass away. "Nevertheless we according to His promise look for a new heaven and new earth in which righteousness dwells.

YesNaSpanishTown said...

File this one with the Haldron Collider and Bloom Energy's CEO who says he can create everything human beings need.


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/04/28/laser.fusion.nif/index.html?hpt=C1

Scientists in California plan to use the world's biggest laser to set off a nuclear reaction so intense it will make a star bloom on the surface of the Earth. If they succeed they say they could solve the planet's energy crisis.

Also on CNN headlines, Spain and Eurozone woes.

JD said...

NO, NO, NO, that is not what you said, TELL THE TRUTH. You claimed I was crying wolf, and inferred that I was incorrect as a watchman. We are told to watch for the changing seasons because it points to the Lord's return. By reporting on the changing season, I am doing just that, pointing to the Lord's return. I have also encouraged others to be steady and to walk in faith because I am watching the seasons change. It is also why I have been warning of false prophets. Don't try to twist your accusations because you can't substantiate them, I ask again, TELL THE TRUTH.

JD said...

Terri,

I had not caught that one, as I had only read the initial column and had not yet gotten through the links. Thanks for posting it.

Anonymous said...

I’m not a detective, but I think that both Rob in London and Jenny (Aussie) are probably not young.

Rob states earlier in this thread that he liked watching Grange Hill on TV when he was younger. I am from London too and this series first started in 1981/2. He also mentions the Mr Men books and these were popular in the late 1970's. I reckon Rob is around my age, 42.
Jenny mentions her mother in an earlier thread. She said …’my mother is 80 and she thinks Anomy should get her mind out of the gutter.' A good estimate is that Jenny is also in her early 40's.

Rob quote: “I then became the target of Dorothy's attacks, which led even to defamation of my character, slander & libel, and all sorts of hateful unfounded allegations against me, which I did not respond to because ....”

What! But you did respond Rob... how could you not! you called Dorothy a child of the devil...

Oh yes, you have since forgiven her, prayed for her and continue to bless her and all.

Despite how this sounds, apparently Dorothy, (if is was her posting) provoked Rob, by asking him whether his second name was Rumplestiltskin.


From a female reader of this blog for a couple of years now. I don’t usually comment.

Ps. Most of my circle of friends are blissfully unaware of the new age agenda and I find it hard to communicate even with my husband on these subjects. I do gain a lot of knowledge from Constance Cumbey’s research and collaborative researchers here and posters contributing information on this site.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Dorothy, for that perfect New Age interpretation (excerpt) of Kabbala...

"They attain higher planes of consciousness and gain a new harmony with all their surroundings. These aspects as well as their love and affection for all beings, contribute to their self perfection."

The quest for "Self perfection" certainly puts the Kabbalah into perspective. After all, isn't that what the New Age, (the old lie), is all about?

Ah, to become enlightened, a perfected master, a smiling Buddha...no need for god...no, not when you is one, or at least, are on the road to becoming one.

omots

Anonymous said...

http://tinyurl.com/27raepb
"The unspeakable evil the United States and England did unto the Serb people who had never spilled one drop of Anglo blood in their entire history. Not even in self-defense when American and English war criminals were bombing and destroying their country and burning them and their children alive."
Ruslan Tokhchukov

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:08

Thanks for your appreciation.

I think Glenn Beck has been used to test the waters, and at the same time to numb the senses of the people.

Marxism is atheism that considers the economic factors to be the primary if not only moving force governing humans.

Remember that in Benjamine Creme's site, he said that Maitreya will come not as a religious teacher but as an economic leader. Glenn Beck, though apparently opposes Obama's socialism, conditions us to only think in economic terms, and therefore is still under the Marxist perspective. We must know that Marxism is much more than just the communist manifesto. It is an atheistic ideology that denies anything that is not matter.

iF the antichrist were to be successful in uniting all to destroy Christians and the world, the atheists, materialists, new agers will be united.

Remember that Jesus wasn't accepted as the messiah for the simple fact that he spoke of his kingdom which is not defined by power and riches, but rather by humility and selflessness. We must be equally conscious of atheistic leaders as we are with new age gurus.

Pat from Manila

Susanna said...

GREEK FIRE TURNS TO SPANISH FEVER

By Victor Mallet in Madrid, David Oakley in London, Kerin Hope in Athens, Nikki Tait in Brussels, and Quentin Peel and Gerrit Wiesmann in Berlin

Published: April 28 2010 17:51 | Last updated: April 28 2010 21:25

Fears that Greek debt crisis will spread to other eurozone nations intensified on Wednesday when Spain suffered a debt downgrade from Standard & Poor’s, sending the euro to fresh lows against the dollar.

The downgrade, by one notch from AA plus to AA, dealt a blow to Spain’s frantic efforts to avoid contagion from Greece and followed S&P downgrades this week of Greece and Portugal.

As financial markets continued to gyrate and investors offloaded Spanish stocks and bonds, the head of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development compared the growing debt crisis to the Ebola virus.
....read more....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/adda620
a-52e1-11df-813e-00144feab49a.html

Anonymous said...

Jews blamed for pedophile backlash
By JONNY PAUL
13/04/2010 02:19

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=172996

Bishop quoted as saying “Zionist attack” behind criticism of church.
Talkbacks (21)
LONDON – An Italian Catholic Web site is claiming that a retired bishop has blamed the Jews for the current backlash against the church over sex abuse claims.

Giacomo Babini, 81, the emeritus bishop of Grosseto, allegedly said in an article on the Pontifex Web site that he believed a “Zionist attack” was behind the criticism of the church, considering how “powerful and refined” the criticism was.

“They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers,” he was quoted as saying.

The comments were spotted by the American Jewish Committee (AJC) on Friday.

Referring to the comments as anti-Semitic libel and to Pontifex as an extremist Catholic right-wing Web site, AJC is calling on the Italian Conference of Catholic Bishops (CEI) to condemn the comments.

“Babini, the retired Bishop of Grosetto, referring to the pedophile scandals, accused Jews of a ‘refined Zionist’ media attack against the Church. He called Jews a ‘Deicide’ people and inferred that the Holocaust took place due to Jews ‘strangling Germany economically’ through ‘usury,’” the AJC said.

Anonymous said...

What do these powerful men have in common?

Herman Von Rumpoy
Jose Manuel Barrasso
Nicolas Sarkozy
Javier Solana
Tony Blair

paul said...

Testosterone ?

SV said...

Dear friends and Contributors,
Numbers 12:1-9 is a somber reminder of God's anger which burned against Miriam for complaining against and judging her brother Moses.
Verse 6-9, "Listen to My words: when a prophet (teacher, seer) of the Lord is among you, I reveal Myself to him in visions, I speak to him in dreams. But this is not true of my servant Moses; he is faithful in all my house. With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak AGAINST My servant Moses? The anger of the Lord burned against them and He left them."

These words of the Lord should cause us to tremble before Him at the very thought of speaking out against or judging His children. Paul writes in Romans 14:4, "Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand,". Although God relented after Miriam had spent seven days outside the camp riddled with leprosy as a result of her lack of humility before Him, the very work that God was doing through Israel was COMPLETELY HALTED for an entire week (vs 15) because of one person's sin.

To the anonymous poster that is continuing to riddle Dorothy with arrogance and judgement, yet who claims to come here and post in the name of the Lord, you would do wisely to heed the lessons taught to us by His Word.

How much more should the researchers and contributors here be held up from the work that they are doing, warning God's people of the dangerous lies and pitfalls of evil principalities at work in this present darkness (Ephesians 6:12), due to this slander and judgement?

This blog is not a breeding ground for grumbling, gossip, judgement, and slander. There is important and serious research being accomplished within these threads.

Miriam's attitude and words were destructive towards God's purpose for His people; they were as contagious and flesh-eating as the leprosy that was brought upon her.

I would not want my words to be brought before me at the bema (Strongs G939) seat of the Lord and to be told that His anger burned against me because my testimony was a contagious, flesh-eating disease that impeded His will and purpose.

By His Grace,
-SV

Anonymous said...

Anonymous@6:09

What is your beef here? Why are you goading Rob? Did he say his age? If he kept quiet when called young, may be he did not want to complacate things more, and Jenny too.

Stop blowing on the embers, can't you, and cherriepicking your way thru the comments. Maybe your the same anon thats been attacking Dorothy, and now your changing victim as the wind has changed.

Let the dust setle I always learned.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 7:49

Bishop Babini has vehemently denied having made the remarks attributed to him by Pontifex.

Moreover, this would not be the first time Pontifex misquoted/misrepresented a statement made by a Roman Catholic Prelate.

http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=19134

In the wake of Bishop Babini's denials that he made the comments attributed to him, Pontifex is threatening to release a tape they claim to have of Babini's comments.

If Pontifex actually has such a tape, then why merely threaten to release said tape? Let's hear it!

Otherwise, one might be well advised not to trust anything Pontifex says unless one has been able to independently verify it.

Anonymous said...

SV

I am sincere when I tell you that I mean no disrespect, this all would have faded sooner had you not jumped in. I see that there are many here who respect you and would not dare say such a thing, so I expect a wave of hostile responses.

Reflect back on the posts, and you will see that what I say is true.

Anonymous said...

Dear SV:

BRAVO!!!

God bless you for speaking out.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous (7:49 PM):

Your very transparent attempt to play the Jews and the Catholics (on this board) against each other is failing miserably . . . and backfiring on you (in case you haven't noticed).

Nice try though . . . LOL

Anonymous said...

The Role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's Holocaust

During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, Catholic priests and Muslim clerics were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, the Croatian Ustasha and Muslim fundamentalists were openly supported by the Vatican, the Archbishop of Zagreb Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac (1898-1960), and the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini. Many of the victims of the Pavelic regime in Croatia were killed in the war's third largest death camp - Jasenovac, where over 200,000 people - mainly Orthodox Serbs met their deaths. Some 240,000 were "rebaptized" into the Catholic faith by fundamentalist Clerics in "the Catholic Kingdom of Croatia" as part of the policy to "kill a third, deport a third, convert a third" of Yugoslavia's Serbs, Jews and Roma in wartime Bosnia and Croatia (The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Vladimar Dedijer, Anriman-Verlag, Freiburg, Germany, 1988).

On April 6th 1941, Nazi Germany invaded Yugoslavia. By April 10th, Croatian fascists led by Ante Pavelic were allowed by Hitler and his ally Mussolini to set up a "independent" puppet state of Croatia. Hitler granted "Aryan" status to Croatia as his fascist allies carved up Yugoslavia. Pavelic had been awaiting these developments whilst under the auspices of Mussolini in Italy who had granted them the use of remote training camps on a Aeolian island and access to a propaganda station Radio Bari for broadcasts across the Adriatic. As soon as the new fascist state of Croatia was born, and campaign of cold-blooded terror began, as noted by John Cornwell in his book Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (Viking, London, UK, 1999):

"(It was) an act of 'ethnic cleansing' before that hideous term came into vogue, it was an attempt to create a 'pure' Catholic Croatia by enforced conversions, deportations, and mass exterminations. So dreadful were the acts of torture and murder that even hardened German troops registered their horror. Even by comparison with the recent bloodshed in Yugoslavia at the time of writing, Pavelic's onslaught against the Orthodox Serbs remains one of the most appalling civilian massacres known to history" (p 249)...

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_catholic_church.htm

Anonymous said...

_church.htm

Anonymous said...

See Kerry & Clinton partaking in RC eucharist, see just who is behind the curtain.

http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2008/10/dialogue-2008-troy-space-with-guy-stair.html



http://continuingcounter
reformation.blogspot.com/

2008/10/dialogue-2008-troy

-space-with-guy-stair.html

SV said...

Dear Anonymous 8:56,
Indeed, if you feel that I am responsible for the elongation of this 'spat' then you have my apologies.

I will not waver in my support for Constance, Dorothy, JD, Susannah, Savvy, and many others who expend a tremendous amount of time researching, dissecting, filtering, and posting relevant information for those who are seeking to understand the times.

If someone wishes to discuss differences in religious views or more personal matters, then they should inquire regarding a private means to contact the individual. If they refuse a more private means to contact them because they do not want to discuss such things with others here, then they should be RESPECTED for their choices.

Many contributors here are constantly under attack from disagreements with the information that they post. They do not deserve to be constantly 'under the gun' for their personal beliefs as well.

I am strongly convicted regarding this point.
By His Grace,
-SV

Anonymous said...

Pope Benedict XVI calls for a New World Order (2009)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4htNRiw2ZE

Anonymous said...

Pope John Paul II New World Order Speech at Gandhis Memorial : NWO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRX-KEXBvYY

Anonymous said...

Pope, religious leaders denies Jesus : New World Order ( NWO )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOY11ALIlI4&NR=1

Anonymous said...

Vatican Plans "a New World Order"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky6JAGd5Wy4&feature=related

Jenny said...

Dear SV

PTL SV! So much wisdom in putting it together.. I second that emotion
BRAVO!!!

God will restore the yrs the locusts have eaten.
Including this blog as you said. Many who come here for the first time don't know about New Age wanting to learn. I wanted to sit and learn from most of you. I'm not confident to post here as a result there is a lot to learn. However I can tell people face to face the basics of what it taking place out their because of this blog.

Some reap and some sow. Its all ministry unto the Lord working together hand in glove. yes!!

Thank you again SV for your wisdom in your post.. we can all learn from it hun.

God bless you for godly wisdom.

(((hugs)))

Anonymous said...

Jews do not run the NWO PT 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOI3uRggJE

Anonymous said...

Black Nobility & Jesuit World Order pt.1/4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0meVCKe3q4

Anonymous said...

Israel is a Nazi Enterprise/Experiment 1/5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHh8LpdUnk

JD said...

SV,

Thank you, as always your level headed approach is appreciated. If the last couple days have not bore witness to the fact that there are some posting here for no other reason than to detract from the work being done, nothing will. I see the anti-catholic rants have started again, seems to follow a pattern does it not? Anti-Jew, Anti-catholic, kiss and make up, attack the work done here, attempt to pit others against each other, repeat.

Constance Cumbey said...

To me, unfortunately, even if Rob and Jennie were 42, that is YOUNG! I have a 42 year old son.

Constance

Anonymous said...

The 'trolls' are out in full focce tonight.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:10

What are you going to do with John Chapter 6?

Anonymous Catholic

JD said...

Anon 8:56,

This unfortunately isn't going away. Granted it has gotten worse over the last couple weeks, but there have been lurkers here who like to stir things up for a while. It follows a pretty predictable pattern, and when the poster sees they are not getting anywhere slandering one person or group they move on to the next. Maybe after watching it in the accelerated pace it has taken lately, you will see why some of us will stand so strongly for one another. Pay attention, it will normally start witha anonymous poster (not like you in blue) trying to get one section in upheaval. Oh wait, it has already started again!

Anonymous said...

I've been away all day. There are posters here who are rational and can extend a dialogue. There are others who can't do any more than jab. The jabbers are very entertaining and get the adrenalin up, but when all is said and done they add nothing to the dialogue. Sorry guys, you are out of your element here. Why don't you go back to the websites and radio shows where you really don't have to go past the cliches that make you happy. You can pat each other on the back and smile away. You may enjoy being stubborn, but I doubt your feelings are enough to convince more rational people.

SV, JD, Suzanne, Dawn, Battle Creek David and those Anonymous posters who have posted serious comments about the dialogue going on, thank you for trying to move the dialogue back to analysis of the New Age movement which can destroy us all.

Constance, in your mind when does someone grow up? When do they become an adult responsible for the words that come out of their mouths. When do they become responsible for the crimes they commit? When does someone become responsible enough to go to jail for the things they do? How old does a doctor have to be before you say you shouldn't have made that mistake and killed the patient? Do you excuse them because they are young? In Judaism someone stops being young at the age of 13? That's how it was in the past. Humanity doesn't change and most of the very young, those at that age, these day, don't live up to what they can do, but it's expected that they start taking responsibility. I doubt if your son would be flattered by your comparison of him to Rob. From what I've heard, your son has faced his responsibilities and tried to live up to them.

I offered some criticism to you Jenny. You didn't have to take it. Your words are very conciliatory, and I'm sure you would be a wonderful neighbor. What you don't seem to realize is that Rob has libeled me and is so arrogant that that he expects his forgiveness of me is somehow important to me. If someone deliberately runs over another person and then says they forgive them for stepping in front of the car, does it make sense to you that this is a normal course of events? It really is blaming the victim. At some point you should stop straddling the fence, if only privately to say to yourself what you consider right from what you consider wrong. If you do that you can start thinking why you have come to certain positions and where those positions lead you.

Now can we get back to discussing JD's information which is very analytical and not emotional as to what is going on? We need everyone to understand what is going on and we do not need to make excuses for adults who sit on their butts refusing to recognize their responsibilities as citizens in whatever country they are in.

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Just to let others know what I'm encountering whether it means anything or not, every time I try to do a post I have to do it twice. I always get a message saying that I've not typed the characters I see in the picture. I can understand sometimes when there is another post between what I've written and the last post, but that's not what happens all of the time. Not to lose what I've written, I copy it so as to be able to repost it if something happens. In addition, there is now a lag time between when I send a comment and when it appears in a thread. That didn't happen in the past. Probably it means nothing, but if it happens to other, then they'll know it's not unique to them.

Anonymous said...

Pat from Manila, Jesus was not accepted as the Jewish messiah because he didn't fulfill the standards that had been judged to be important in the Jewish community. There were many who claimed to be the messiah to the Jewish community at that time.

It appears there were individuals in the Jewish community who liked his leadership and appreciated his messages.

There was a period of time when the followers of Jesus and some in the Jewish community found some accommodation with each other's views. That didn't last very long. The understanding of how God could be understood and how the followers of Jesus understood God conflicted with each other. From what I've seen, the message of Jesus' followers resonated with and were an major improvement over the pagan beliefs, and that's where the Christian community found its following. There was large Jewish missionary activity at the time, but the Christian movement offered a less stringent life style than Judaism did while offering a similar morality which was an improvement over paganism. The ability to identify with God in human form and thus have identifiable standards to live up to has worked.

This is just my opinion I know, but it's based on many things. God doesn't need our flattery. He doesn't need to be told by us puny humans how wonderful he is. He has given us standards by which to live and rituals to remind us of those standards. Those Jews and Christians who know these things honor him by listening to his message.

God has allowed the Christian community to exist for 2,000 years. Jews have existed for many more years. To use a cliche, different strokes for different folks. He must have thought it was necessary. I don't challenge God's choices in how he conducts the world.

This is not an establishment view that I was taught by either the Catholic or Jewish community, so don't blame them. I'm not going to change my opinions.

My fight against the New Age movement is based on what I've read which says its morality is far from that of Jews and Christians. It is a man made morality that puts the community over that of the individual. See Gene Veith's book Modern Fascism. Gene Veith is a Christian.
http://tinyurl.com/2ad95xp

Dorothy

Anonymous said...

Thanks Dorothy, for that perfect New Age interpretation (excerpt) of Kabbala...

"They attain higher planes of consciousness and gain a new harmony with all their surroundings. These aspects as well as their love and affection for all beings, contribute to their self perfection."

The quest for "Self perfection" certainly puts the Kabbalah into perspective. After all, isn't that what the New Age, (the old lie), is all about?

Ah, to become enlightened, a perfected master, a smiling Buddha...no need for god...no, not when you is one, or at least, are on the road to becoming one.

omots

Anonymous said...

What do these powerful men have in common?

Herman Von Rumpoy
Jose Manuel Barrasso
Nicolas Sarkozy
Javier Solana
Tony Blair

They were/are instrumental in shaping the horrible times ahead.

They all belong to and have ties to a particular church.

Interesting...........

Susanna said...

Anonymous 7:04 A.M.

These powerful men all have ties to a particular church "in name only" and for the sake of political expediency.....similar to members of the British Royal Family who have ties to another particular church for the same reasons.....even more interesting.....

Susanna said...

Anonymous 9:44

First of all, your link doesn't work. (surprise surprise).

As for the Hitler's Pope myth, we have already "been there done that" on this blog.

In fact, it is a JEWISH researcher who has unearthed tons of documents that have substantiated the truth that the "Hitler's Pope Myth" was begun as a Communist strategy to drive a wedge between the Jews and the Catholics.

Since you obviously missed it the first time the material was posted here, I will let you go and track down the threads from this blog where it was previously discussed.

I, for one, intend to stick to the subjects Constance wants to discuss on these current threads.

Anonymous said...

Susanna

Point made, point taken.

I am not so sure the British Royal Family are quite as influential as these men in bringing about a NWO, one world currency and one world religion.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 11:11

Possibly....but it is also possible that the British Royal Family has become little more than puppets ( i.e. the equivalent of C.S. Lewis' Narnian "Donkey named Puzzle" ) of other similarly "enlightened apes" lurking in the background who may very well have the greater power to bring about a NWO......

IMHO, there may even be a "harmonic convergence" between the two groups who belong to different churches - albeit "in name only."

Anonymous said...

Susanna

Valid point. All I am saying is it is interesting, everything doesn't have to be considered anti-catholic if it is worth looking at.

Anonymous said...

Even more interesting Susanna,

is the Queen of England is a Dame of Malta (SMOM) and therefore a subject of the Roman Catholic Church, despite her fid. def. Anglic. Eccles. credentials! BTW, so is the Queen of Holland, a renouned Bilderberger, 'protestant', and yet also a Dame of Malta (Sovereign Military Order of Malta), yet another subject to the RC Church!

Susanna said...

A little deeper digging will show something even more interesting still...namely, that the Malta group the Queen of England is involved with as Dame of Malta is the Protestant Knights of Malta and is also known as the Most Venerable Order of St John of Jerusalem in Great Britain.

King Henry VIII confiscated all of the property of the original Catholic order in England when the Pope in Rome refused to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon.....after which - for all intents and purposes - he proclaimed himself "pope" along with all of his heirs.

Ergo, the Queen of England, far from being a subject of the Roman Catholic Church, is herself a kind of "pope" of the Church of England.

Len said...

5/2/2010

Whoever Anon 2:10 is he/she is a jerk wasting readers' time for meaninglessly manipulating language to obfuscate and condemn rather than to enlighten.

Len

Len said...

5/2/2010

I am shocked at the great amount of invective in this thread. Bickering is bad enough but, when anonymous, is inexusible.

Constance, if you do not want to moderate I understand. But you can cut half the invective out by simply banning anonymous postings.

As it is, all here are anonymous except for those who know each other personally. No one knows who "Len" is but he at least is identifiable on the blog so he gan be answered directly instead of by a time slot that is irrelevant because the date is uncertain.

Think about banning anonymous posts, please, for the good of the forum.

Len

Len said...

5/2/2010
Constance wrote: "Cabala/Kabbalah is considered by the New Agers as part of the Movement. The thing to remember about the New Age Movement is the METHOD which is MYSTICISM moving people away from analytical "left brain" to "Spiritual", "symbolic" thinking."

True Kabbalah is extremely analytical and is studied only by people well versed in Torah. These are indubitably NOT new agers.

New agers who dabble in Kabbalah are like New Agers who dabble in Christianity. Doesn't Madonna dabble in both; wearing a cross as well as a red ribbon?

It is easy to knock something you do not understand but please try to resist the temptation.

Len

Len said...

5/2/2010

omots wrote: "The quest for "Self perfection" certainly puts the Kabbalah into perspective. After all, isn't that what the New Age, (the old lie), is all about? "

No, self perfection is not what NA is all about. NAers think they are already perfect and everyone else is the problem.

Religion is about self perfection as well as perfection of the world under God's rule; at least Judaism is. Religious people are aware of their imperfections and the tension this causes is a spur to self- improvement and renewal. The discipline of religion aids this process.

Anonymous said...

Savvy, I am touched by your statement of faith in adversity, and I am glad you posted it. I too am having faith in adversity, and it's good to hear of another winning through. Yes, His
grace is sufficient unto us.

I have not been here for a while, just read the last two blogs.

Mariel

Constance Cumbey said...

Len,

Dorothy always posts at the top as "Anonymous" signing her name in the bottom. If I erased all "anonymous" I would have to erase Dorothy and several others doing likewise.

Constance

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