Saturday, February 20, 2016
Unification Church is still on the move - post death of Rev. Moon
I will have much to say about this on my internet radio program, TMEradio.com a very few and too short hours from now. Needless to say, I am agitated about what I saw tonight and learned about infiltration of major religious denominations on our local front "right here in River City" as sung in the Music Man movie of years ago. They are obviously working hard on a New World Religion and were very happy about steps they perceive Pope Francis to be taking in that direction. Imams and Rabbis were present. I learned that they had extremely slick "Catholics" who were pretending to be the best of loyal Catholics but really believed Rev. Moon to be the true purveyor of truth and wisdom. Their veneer was "family preservation." As I know of few groups more responsible for family separation, it strikes me as more than ironic, if not disingenuous.
Please join me in the morning. Last week my preceding program was to have been rebroadcast as I had a Memorial service to attend for a very dear and close friend for many years. I understand that at least the first hour did not happen as planned. Oh well. God willing, all will go well in the morning. I have a whole lot to say. Please join me.
Tune in and stay tuned!
No, it won't be old Buddha that's sitting on the throne
And it won't be old Mohammed that's calling us Home
And it won't be Hare Krishna that plays that trumpet tune
And we're going to see The Son not Reverend Moon!
It should really come as no surprise that the false teachers will embrace in unity to ultimately worship satan.
As the saying goes the road to hell is wide and the path to heaven narrow.
With the amount of false gospel thats being preached nowadays the road to hell is grown to a freeway with multiple lanes and a commuter fast lane for rush hour.
I recently viewed an excellent video that demonstrates how Russia uses disinformation on the internet and various media outlets (like RT - Russia Today) as an actual weapon, in the war they are engaged in against the West. It focuses on the Baltics, and how Russia is using disinformation and trolling as preparatory tactics for an eventual invasion.
I found it fascinating on a number of levels. For one, it drove home the fact that I need to vet EVERYTHING I read on the internet. It is so easy for someone with nefarious goals to create a false reality ready for consumption - disinformation. It also makes me realize just how easily large numbers of people can fall for a lie, or a half-truth. This is nothing new, really, and is part of the discussion about the coming deceptions, and the acceptance of the New Age.
Here is a link to the video... I'd like to hear what you think, and maybe how it can be relevant to the New Age topics discussed here.
Constance Butler Cumbey — 1 starWho is a liar but he that denieth JESUS is the Christ! He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22. Further, suggesting that the real Trinity consists of "Father" and "True Parents" is nothing short of the grossest, most dishonest blasphemy. I have divided the New Age Movement of which Rev. Moon and company was a vital component into two classes: the HYPNOTIZED (vast majority) and THE HYPNOTIZERS. The hypnotized are for the most part brainwashed, guileless slaves of the HYPNOTIZERS who have managed to get very wealthy from the deal. The greatest of shame to "Christians" who have compromised by accepting money and favors from Unification Church. "They went out from us but they were not of us. If they were of us, they would have remained with us." You cannot have communion from God's table and Rev. Moon's table simultaneously.
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I discovered a local physician and a local Catholic priest were both deeply involved with this local group. Simultaneously and with straight faces, they profess the most pious of Catholic beliefs. I have now learned and confirmed they then after gain confidence of other good Catholics try to convince them under the guise of "family values" that Rev. Moon is ultimate good and revelation. This has happened before. One of the most notable aspects was Archbishop Milengo of Africa who participated in a Moonie Mass wedding. He was defrocked and richly deserved the defrocking. I would love to hear from Susanna about this.
Article: The Jump from Ecumenical to Interfaith
Thank you for this post. It is interesting how church pastors today do not even see this as a problem, but something that is good.
Russia might be preparing for a move on the Baltics but it is NOT "rising". China is, but Russia is in deep trouble given the collapse in the oil price.
Why do you say that Russia has taken a page out of the US playbook? What exactly do you mean by that?
If Russia is preparing for a move on the Baltics, they most certainly are not "in trouble". They may not benefit from oil sales as in the past, but please consider how they operate. When weak, look strong. When strong, look weak. Their "playbook", if anything, looks more like Sun Tzu than anything from the US.
They plan on waging war asymmetrically - which is a way of winning war even though in a conventional sense and by conventional wisdom (which is how we in the West think about war), they are considered too weak to be a threat. The video demonstrates quite well an important tactic in achieving this: massive efforts on the informational / propaganda front - a front that costs very little, and which is quite effective. How many Americans get their news and information from RT, a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece? Way too many. Most of them say the kinds of things that Dan Bryan said (or implied) - the US/CIA is the bad guy, and Russia is therefore justified in protecting themselves from the "American Evil Empire". Evidence of our evilness will be "shown" by them through fake news stories and other influential disinformation channels, portraying us (and the EU perhaps?) as influencing internal affairs in the Baltics, even when we aren't, thus justifying a "preemptive" invasion, which in reality preempts nothing.
This is how they plan, and have always planned. We don't get it, and that is our Achilles' Heel.
the context of the remark was propaganda. "Most of them say the kinds of things that Dan Bryan said (or implied) - the US/CIA is the bad guy, and Russia is therefore justified in protecting themselves from the "American Evil Empire"."
information leaked or revealed in Congressional and other investigation and research for decades show much the same thing. The drug scene for starters was more the financing for the Kuo Min Tang (Chiang Kai Shek) and other USA backed people than of China. The sources you relied on all your
life need as much re examination as the Russian affected sources. Both sides were always dirty. I repeat. BOTH SIDES WERE ALWAYS DIRTY. and lied a lot.
I asked Dan what he meant, I did not ask you what Dan meant.
I rely heavily on the research efforts of people like Jeff Nyquist and Nevin Gussack and others, who have spent innumerable hours pouring over original source documents, or who have talked to and read the works of primary sources, who all say the same thing. One of the major realizations one comes to when doing this type of research is just how much the bad guys rely upon and use disinformation. The "leaked" information that you always refer to, and that I assume makes up a large portion of your research base, is probably tainted with disinformation to get you to believe one thing, when something else is really the truth. Unfortunately, this is true regarding a large amount of information that many conservatives, patriots, and armchair observers like us obtain through various books and especially the internet.
My sources, as listed above, have been vetted. Golitsyn is one primary source (a defector) whose warnings to the CIA when he defected (1961) were mostly laughed at. But, over time, it appears his "paranoia" about a long-range strategy to deceive the West that was in place in the Kremlin, and to a lesser extent, in China, was justified. Hence, Gussack's book "Golitsyn Vindicated". I have not read the book, but have listened to an hour-long interview with him about it, which has the advantage of condensing down into an hour what it might take me a week to read.
So I believe my sources are quite sound.
Yes, of course we have our own bad guys. But again you and I come to the same impasse. You assign a moral equivalence between East and West, and I do not. A few simple examples I can give in support of my view.
One, the 20th century was not a century where hundreds of millions died at the hands of Western corporate elitists, or the CIA, or US-backed anything (unless you want to consider that we stupidly gave resources to the Soviets and China, so that would be indirect support, and it can be shown that even that support was directed by communist influencers within our own gates - see for example "America Betrayed" by Diana West). These hundreds of millions died at the hands of Communists.
Two, the Iron Curtain was built to keep people from leaving the Communist world, not to keep people out. Some "worker's paradise", eh? The one place they wanted to get to, if they could somehow slip through a crack in that curtain, was the West, and specifically, the United States. If we are supposedly the moral equivalent of the Soviet Union and now Russia, why would this be? If you protest against the government in Russia, today, right now, you can be jailed, poisoned, shot, or "suicided". Not in America, thank God.
Do those two facts not mean anything?
Whittaker Chambers, in his book Witness, describes being witness first-hand to the battle between the two great "faiths" of our time - the Judeo/Christian one, which believes in the God of the Bible, and the "anti-faith" of the Communists - that there is no God except what we make of ourselves. The New Age says the same exact thing. New Age - Communism and the "New Soviet Man" - even Dominionism, Health/Wealth gospel/etc - these all are rooted in the same lie from the Evil One himself: You shall be as Gods.
For that to happen, the old God, and His teachings, must be destroyed.
Of course, to build a better world, you need money and wealth. This is where the non-profits and other organizations like the Ford Foundation, Rockefellers, etc, come into play. They don't run everything, as is commonly thought, but they do have a lot of influence and are "at the top" of a lot of happenings in a material sense.
Wars happen outside of their influence, because wars are a result of human nature. They may profit from them, but they don't start them all with the purpose of making a profit from them. It's more like "Well, people are going to war against each other, so we might as well make the most of it when it happens."
But at some point, their influence stops. Wars have a way of taking on a power of their own, where events get out of control, and more primal forces (sinful human nature) takes over. A nuclear bomb going off over a city trumps any piece of paper, any collective agreement, or any group of "enlightened minds" that says it is inhumane to use nuclear bombs.
The dangers of the New Age are real. So are the dangers of human nature, to control and rule as a god through conquest and enslavement. The New Agers, just like the Communists and other fellow travelers that they seem to despise, want to try and change human nature. In whatever measure any of them succeed, their "prescription" will be worse than the disease they propose to cure.
The best we can do as humans is to try to lessen the effects of our sinful natures, still accepting that nature as a given, which is the Biblical view of man. That is what our founding fathers did when they established and structured these United States in the manner they did. We have largely abandoned the view of Man as sinful at heart, so the grand experiment they began 200+ years ago is failing.
Sorry, that was more than I intended to write, but for me, it is clarifying to repeat the same things in perhaps different ways. I seem to find that as I write things out, it helps me make changes to my views on things, because in trying to explain something, I see errors of logic here and there that need to be addressed. We are all works in progress, yes?
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him."
This is the playbook that our enemies use to their advantage - spiritual ones as well as geopolitical.
A drawback for not actually logging in to comment is that I can't edit my post or delete it.
I mentioned not only leaks but CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS and so forth.
you are too trusting. instead of loving the protectors of your background think in terms of hiding under whatever bad guy's shield will do for the moment until he is ready to throw you to the wolves and be ready to move.
Start with Fletcher Prouty. This is the tip of an iceberg. As for communism, containment instead of rollback was chosen by the sort of people who were friendly to Nazi post war survival interests. The Cold War played both sides off against each other while the NAzi survival and regroup game could advance, and it has. as for my answering your question, Dan's remark was obvious needing no explanation and this is an open forum, you want no butting in you talk by email.
CIA did as much disinformation as KGB. Both sides were dirty and ours longer than theirs because older than theirs. I have already overrun my proper posting limit.
I found the interview (located at the end of the article) between Glenn Beck and Joel Olsteen to be quite interesting ... but not at all surprising. The interview is quite illustrative of the age in which we live ... the compromise of truth in order for the world to be at peace due to the uniting of all people of "faith." Beck (professes the "gospel" of Christ and yet is a member of a cult; Mormonism), Olsteen has repeatedly denied the uniqueness of Christ, and again does so as expressed by his stated belief in this interview that Hindus worship "God."
This may be hard for you to accept, but the Vatican is THE driving force behind this multi-headed, false spiritual beast, where truth (Jesus Christ)is sacrificed on the altar of peace and unification. I hope one day you will devote your research into the Vatican's role in creating this "interfaith" i.e. One World Religion movement (along with the role they are playing in promoting One World Government along with a One World Financial system).
Here was the solicitation for subversion software. They do not even attempt to cover up what they intend to use this software for.
Electronic Internet Subversion Software USAF
Persona Management Software.
Solicitation Number: RTB220610
Agency: Department of the Air Force
Office: Air Mobility Command
Location: 6th Contracting Squadron
Added: Jun 22, 2010 1:42 pm Modified: Jun 22, 2010 2:07 pm Track
0001- Online Persona Management Service. 50 User Licenses, 10
Personas per user.
Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history,
supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and
geographically consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to
exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation
and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries.
Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the
world and can interact through conventional online services and social
media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application
environment to maximize the user's situational awareness by displaying
real-time local information.
I contend the Arab spring was orchestrated with this software. See more here:
Marko is right, please do not attempt to answer for me.
Regarding "The Art of War", No one knows who Lau Tsu was, and there are
many who believe it was actually written by the Jesuits and that it is a metaphor
for the how they do their work.
All war is deception.
When you're weak appear to be strong
When you're strong appear to be weak
Disseminate lies, broadcast falsehood and use noise, noise, noise, Christine
Get your enemy to fund your ventures; steal your enemy's food
and feed it to your army, etc
Here is the information you requested on defrocked and excommunicated Archbishop Milingo:
Catholic World News
Excommunicated Archbishop Milingo continues to build schismatic movement in Africa
August 14, 2013
Excommunicated Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo now claims 300,000 followers for his “Reformed Catholic Churches” in Africa, a schismatic movement that has encouraged priests to marry.
Although the membership figures of his movement are probably inflated, Archbishop Milingo has recruited a number of Catholic priests to join his campaign, which now has its own churches in several different African countries. The Religion News Service quotes one leader of the movement, a former Catholic priest, as saying bluntly “we are not Roman Catholics.” The spokesman for the schismatic group said that the Reformed Catholic Churches hope to have their own leader, who “must be African.”
Archbishop Milingo, who was married in a 2001 group ceremony at which the late Rev. Sun Myung Moon presided, was excommunicated in 2006 after he illicitly ordained four bishops for his movement, which has been subsidized by Moon's Unification Church.
You have to subscribe to get to the following article, but I think the title and subtitle of the following article speak sufficiently for themselves.
Schismatic African priests want a pope to call their own
Fredrick Nzwili | August 13, 2013
(RNS) Schismatic Roman Catholics priests, who left the church to claim their right to marry, are now asking for an “African pope” to lead them.
Same with this article......
Excommunicated bishop still sees himself as Roman Catholic
Fredrick Nzwili | September 11, 2013
(RNS) Milingo’s quest to reunite with Rome may be quixotic. The Catholic Church has cut all ties to him.
Before Milingo's heresy, schism and consequent excommunication, he had gained a strong following in a church where he had been stationed near Rome because of his reputation as an exorcist. But Catholic officials accused him of promoting African indigenous beliefs by performing mass exorcisms and healing ceremonies.
The Vatican had ordered a stop to exorcisms and healings during Mass in a bid to limit the growth of ''charismatic'' or ''neo-pentecostal'' movements.
On July 12, 2006, Milingo announced at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. his "plans to embark on an independent charismatic ministry to reconcile married priests with the Catholic Faith" as an advocate of the removal of the rule of celibacy for Latin Rite priests in the Catholic Church; the group is called Married Priests Now!. The sponsor of the press conference was MJT Television. Archbishop George Augustus Stallings, Jr., also an excommunicated priest, who had founded his own Imani Temple African-American Catholic Congregation, spoke as well.
Stallings outrageously stated that "Archbishop Milingo is not seeking to defy or divide the (Roman Catholic) Church, but is acting out of deep love for the Church and concern for its future." Milingo also announced that he wants to bring the Unification Church of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon closer to the Vatican. He announced he wanted them to co-operate in bringing religion to the world. In August 2006 Archbishop Milingo rejoined his wife, Maria Sung, and they live together as a married couple. In January 2010 it was reported that 20 priests in Uganda had formed a break-away Catholic sect which accepts married priests. This was said to be inspired by Milingo and to have around 12,000 members.
In an act of schism, on September 24, 2006, Milingo consecrated four married men as bishops, each of whom were already ordained in the Old Catholic line of succession and serving as a bishop in their respective Independent Catholic churches. In other words, these men had already been illicitly ordained independently of the Roman Catholic Church.
One of the four was Stallings. The other three were Archbishop Peter Paul Brennan of the Old Catholic Confederation; Archbishop Patrick E. Trujillo of the Old Catholic Church in America, and Archbishop Joseph J. Gouthro of Las Vegas, presiding bishop of the Catholic Apostolic Church International (CACI). In December 2007, in Brazil, Milingo conferred episcopal ordination on Harold J. Norwood.
Two days after the consecration of the four Americans as bishops, on September 26, 2006, the Holy See's press office announced in an unsigned statement that both Milingo and the four men involved in the episcopal consecration had automatically incurred excommunication (Latæ sententiæ) in accordance with canon 1382 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law.
In October 2007, Milingo's Vatican passport was revoked, ending his status as a person with diplomatic protection from the Vatican City State.
On December 17, 2009, the Vatican Press Office in an unsigned statement announced that Milingo had been reduced to the lay state. The statement explained the effect of the action as "loss of the rights and duties attached to the clerical state, except for the obligation of celibacy; prohibition of the exercise of any ministry, except as provided for by Canon 976 of the Code of Canon Law in those cases involving danger of death; loss of all offices and functions and of all delegated power, as well as prohibition of the use of clerical attire. Consequently, the participation of the faithful in any future celebrations organized by Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo is to be considered unlawful."
In August 2010, Milingo was named Patriarch for Southern Africa of the new "Ecumenical Catholic Apostolic Church of Peace", and called for married former Catholic clergy to join the movement. In April 2011 he consecrated the Rev. Peter Njogu as a bishop in Nyeri, Kenya. In 2012, Milingo praised the late Sun Myung Moon for his work to promote religious unity. Milingo retired from ministry in 2013, appointing Archbishop Peter Paul Brennan as his successor. Later that year, he stated that he still considered himself a Roman Catholic.
All I can say is that if Milingo still considers himself a "Roman Catholic," it is apparently a "Roman Catholicism" of his own devising.
It was apparently from Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo that the controversial late Jesuit priest Father Malachi Martin derived some of the more sensational allegations concerning "devil worship at the Vatican" for his book WINDSWEPT HOUSE.
Malachi Martin seems to have uncritically swallowed these allegations hook line and sinker.
In a Fatima Crusader article, Malachi Martin, a scholar, Vatican insider, and best-selling author, said, “Archbishop Milingo is a good bishop and his contention that there are satanists in Rome is completely correct. Unfortunately, Malachi Martin never presented any specific hard evidence to back up these allegations in a scholarly manner.
It is to be noted however, that some of Milingo's own fellow Zambian priests accused Milingo himself of practicing "black magic." And incredibly, the Unification Church has also been linked to devil worship in Zambia and has been forced to clear its name in the courts.
According to some experts, Moon, facing a steady loss in his ranks, looked to Africa as a new recruiting ground. Undoubtedly, the acquisition of such a charismatic figure as Milingo was "quite a feather in his crown."
And wore out your welcome a long time ago.
How about spend some time in the Proverbs and read and obey scripture such as this one:
Withdraw from your neighbors let he weary of thee and hate thee.
"Archbishop George Augustus Stallings Jr proclaims Rev Moon as The Messiah"
A brief word of caution on Diana West. I have her book and it looks well put together. HOWEVER, I am also troubled by apparent Unification Church links she may have vis a vis her past employment with the WASHINGTON TIMES.
I was not attempting to answer for you, I was addressing what he said. In an open forum, anyone can comment on any posted statement.
Art of War is by SUN TZU not Lao Tzu who wrote the Tao te Ching, but not I Ching.
I appreciate your concerns about Diana West. However, just because someone has worked for (or is working for) the Washington Times, does not mean they are tainted by the Unification Church. From what I know of her, through past interviews she has been in, she would probably describe herself as a secular Jew.
Bill Gertz has some of the best intel regarding the China threat out there, and he is a writer for the Washington Times.
Thanks for your reply. I haven't had time yet to give a detailed look at the info you provided, but it looks suspect to me. A couple of obvious (to me) questions arise, such as, why would the Air Force allow software like that (if it exists) to be available to the general public? And... where/how did you get the software? Maybe those things are answered in the rest of your post. I didn't get past the "V is for Vendetta" part, which I actually watched last night.
Very interesting movie. (I thought Natalie Portman did a poor job with the English accent though...haha...) It captures, I think, the mindset of a LOT of the younger folks who find the idea of tearing everything down and starting over appealing. It's why Bernie Sanders is so popular with them. It's the Occupy mindset put to film.
Is there any research data regarding the rumor that the Vatican is surrounded by a wall? Also, what are the immigration policies for the Vatican? Surely the Vatican must have an extensive stated policy on how it governs immigration for its nation/state.
I would love to hear from Constance/Susanna about this.
Just a followup to your concerns about Diana West:
I got a brief email response from her, which I've emailed to you in full.
I didn't feel right just pasting her response here. The gist of it is that she hasn't written anything for the Washington Times since 2002, and that she, like most people who write for the Times, have never had any affiliation with the Unification Church.
This is the site where I pulled the spec on the solicitation.
This site only holds active solicitations for a year, so trust me???
Just google the solicitation# to see other people pointing to this.
The complete text to the cover of this solicitation can be seen here, apparently others saw this beside myself.
The solicitation was for anyone to buy but for a software house 'Develop' the software under contract to the Air force.
The V movie is to program the drones to cause them to march lock-step when they create the deception.
RE:Malachi Martin personally told me that the "Cardinal of Century City" was Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago.
Then Martin's readers are pretty good guessers....because the general consensus has almost always been that the "Cardinal of Century City" in Malachi Martin's book WINDSWEPT HOUSE was Cardinal Bernardin.
And while there is also a general consensus that Cardinal Bernardin did a great deal of damage to the church on account of his "progressivism"/liberalism for one thing, I would need to see some hard evidence before I would believe that Cardinal Bernardin was actually into the kind of Devil worship described by Malachi Martin in his book which he himself admitted is a work of fiction.......dubbed "faction" by Martin on account of its being partly based on allegedly true events....probably in order to escape litigation.
Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that it is impossible that Bernardin could have been involved in the kind of satanic activities described by Martin. I just haven't seen the kind of evidence that would convince me he was. And given Malachi Martin's own activities and association with Sedevacantists, his word alone would not be enough to convince me.
The thing that "outed" Martin as far as I am concerned was the way he lifted certain elements of the history of the Taxil Hoax as told by A.E. Waite and incorporated it into his novel WINDSWEPT HOUSE....even down to the details of the South Carolina Connection.
DEVIL WORSHIP IN FRANCE
by A.E. Waite
Apart form A.E. Waite and Emmanuel Milingo, I don't know of any other credible sources for Martin's allegations.
the south Carolina connection itself was probably invented off the mother lodge of American freemasonry being in SC. Freemasonry does teach a veiled devil worship and a values system relevant to this http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-real-evil-of-freemasonry.html As for "hard evidence" just what do you expect to get? But churchmilitant on youtube Michael Vorhis I think the name is had an interview on the wheeling and dealing and scheming that got reception in the hand accepted for the USA. And the one doing the big push for this was....
Cardinal Bernardin. strange coincidence if he wasn't a Satanist.
reception in the hand is much more convenient for stealing a host to use in the Black Mass, than reception on the tongue (not impossible, but saliva logged perhaps and hard to remove unnoticed).
Malachi MArtin's involvement in sedevacantism is what you can expect if he believed the Siri Thesis which would have Cardinal Siri turning down the pontificate because of a threat which would make his move invalid so Pope John 23 was invalid and yes there is a news report of white smoke followed by black at that time. Martin was a bit of a fourflusher, but that doesn't rule out everything he had to say.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/060818 scroll down to The Boys Club Murder
more stuff http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2909862/posts
"Papal paperwork and black magic
A most telling clue that seems to confirm this comes from a journalistic peek through the crack between the basilica’s doors. The following is excerpted from a book called Pontiff, a colorful insider’s view of the Vatican from the last days of Paul VI through the assassination attempt on John Paul II. This scene deals with the Pope’s daily paperwork in July, 1978.
"Much of the work near the bottom of the tray requires no more than careful reading and initialing. The Apostolic Penitentiary handles complex problems of conscience:... It also advises the penalties a pope may impose for such a dire crime as a priest saying a black mass. Every year there are a number of such cases; they frighten Paul more than anything else. He regards them as proof the devil is alive and well and hiding inside the Church. Cardinal Giuseppe Paupini [the Major Penitentiary]... is the Vatican’s resident expert on sorcery of all kinds. His work is adjudged so important and urgent that he will be the only cardinal allowed during the next Conclave to remain in contact with his office." (Emphasis added.)
This has some very interesting and horrible implications. At the very least it should be rather disconcerting that the Pope, as part of his day-to-day job, is far more aware of the extent of true evil “hiding inside” the Church than even the most cynical outsiders can even imagine, and takes it very seriously."
footnote cited is The Church Visible: The Ceremonial Life and Protocol of the Roman Catholic Church by James-Charles Noonan, Jr., Viking, New York, 1996, p. 55.
Here are some more links that you might also find interesting.
I can only speak for myself, but I have read Diana West's book and found it very informative and helpful. Not only that, but I discovered that before I read her book I already owned many of the books that she cited as sources. ( i.e. Venona Secrets)
I didn't see anything whatsoever in her narrative that would even hint of any involvement on her part with the Unification Church.
"Wherefore in virtue of holy obedience, under threat of the Divine judgment, and pain of excommunication latae sententiae… we prohibit the cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, all and single, and likewise the Secretary of the Sacred College of Cardinals, and all others who take part in the conclave, to receive even under the form of a simple desire the office of proposing the veto in whatever manner, either by writing or by word of mouth… And it is our will that this prohibition be extended… to all intercessions, etc… by which the lay powers endeavour to intrude themselves in the election of a pontiff… Let no man infringe this our inhibition… under pain of incurring the indignation of God Almighty and of his Apostles, Sts. Peter and Paul."" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_exclusivae#Papal_attitude_toward_the_Jus_Exclusivae
Given his holiness reputation and hostility to modernism, it is possible this was
the result of persuasion by the College of Cardinals, he not realizing the bullet
that had been dodged by the use of that veto.
this article details other reasons, political, for the veto, and the rumors about Rampolla only surfaced later. But scroll down to "the Austrian veto" for some evidence. http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1136446/posts
Re: As for "hard evidence" just what do you expect to get?
An eyewitness would be acceptable. Or even a diary that can be shown by experts to have been written by one of the parties involved.
Just remember, Malachi Martin's book is a work of fiction regardless of whether or not it is based on real life characters whose names were changed to protect the guilty.
You are right in saying that just because Malachi Martin was a bit of "fourflusher" that doesn't rule out everything he had to say. But neither does it rule out the necessity of citing credible sources when one is making such serious claims.
Also the thought occurs to me that if Malachi Martin was not a colossal fibber that many people think he was and the things he said were true, then why do a work of "faction" in the first place?
If anyone was into the occult, I think it was Malachi Martin himself. He was closely associated with "demonologoists" Ed and Lorraine Warren who included in their company a so-called exorcist named Reverend Jun who appeared to be a Tibetan monk. What is a Tibetan monk doing performing exorcisms side by side with Catholics?
Some of the Warrens' dealings with the devil have been made into movies.
Their nephew John Zaffis is now head of their paranormal investigation team.
Another Martin associate was excommunicated Sedevacantist Bishop Robert McKenna who worked closely with Ed and Lorraine Warren and with their nephew John Zaffis and whose specialty was exorcism.
Last but not least, yet another close Malachi Martin associate was the late sedevacantist Rama Coomaraswamy who was illicitly ordained a priest and illicitly consecrated a bishop in a ceremony. Malachi Martin was a participant in one of these ceremonies.
Rama Coomaraswamy was exposed by the late Carrie Tomko for professing the perennialist philosophy of the pagan gnostic Traditionalist School while at the same time professing to be a Traditionalist Roman Catholic.
Rama's father was Ananda Coomaraswamy. Ananda was one of the co-founders of the pagan neo-gnostic Traditionalist School and had some less than savory dealings with Aleister Crowley. I have a hard time believing that Malachi Martin would not have known about this.
The presence of Tibetan monk Reverend Jun in the little Monroe clique indicates the possibility that they were followers of the Traditionalist School which advocates belief in the "transcendent unity of all religions."
Zaffis himself has said:
Zaffis spent his first years studying under his uncle and aunt Ed and Lorraine Warren, both demonologists.What he learned from his aunt and uncle exceeded his original interests in ghosts and haunted houses. Zaffis became interested in demonology at a young age, which led into his involvement with cases of spirit possession and exorcism and working with prominent exorcists in that field. He has studied the work of Roman Catholic priests, monks, Buddhists, rabbis, and Protestant ministers. Zaffis has also taken part in and assisted with the work of well-known exorcists like Bishop Robert McKenna, Malachi Martin, and Reverend Jun.
Who needs United Religions Initiative?
An inside look into the late Moon's life.
What evidence do you have that Rampolla was a Satanist? I am not saying that he couldn't have been, but the only "evidence" I know of that exists is that his name is said to have appeared on some O.T.O. roster in Spain. That same list may well include Apollonius of Tyana for all we know.
However, another story exists according to which there are those who believe that this calumny was cooked up by the Emperor Francis Joseph I of Austria as revenge against Cardinal Rampolla for refusing to grant his son the Crown Prince Rudolph a Catholic Christian burial after he died in a suicide pact with his mistress, Baroness Mary Vetsera, at the Mayerling hunting lodge.
Given the Taxil Hoax, nothing would surprise me.
Photo of the wall around the Vatican RayB
Given the Taxil Hoax, nothing would surprise me."
Lots of religious drama to wade through on this blog isn't there?
if you read the article I linked you will see the case for this. Sure Apolonius of Tyana is going to be on that list for antiquity, but for RECENT people its another matter, and the list he'd be on would be the list of what they considered saints, not a normal membership roster. There are other arguments in that article.
There is satanist infiltration in the protestant churches one guy I met online took
an ex Satanist girl to his church and she left, explained the preacher was a leader
in her cult. This is nothing unusual. They are very good at being presentable.
Even the harpy coven ancestor to feri wicca were all churchgoing people in Oregon.
Russia called this sort of thing "dual faith."
The Broken Cross which I managed to get an online pdf or text copy of gives the source for the information usually repeated without source, that pope John XXIII
was a member of some masonic group, while it was still illegal and automatic de facto excommunication (so he was self excommunicate whether it was known about or not it just was an automatic fact by virtue of joining the group he ceased to be
a Catholic BEFORE he was pope so invalid as pope, one of the sedevacantist arguments) joined in Turkey something more Rosicrucian seeming than standard Masonic, probably sufic connected.
on the basis of once a priest always a priest, however, the consecrations and ordinations he did after that were still valid, even if his papacy and any encyclicals or official acts including signing off on Vatican II, if that requires the papal signature, were not valid because his papacy was held by deception. In his time it was illegal for any Catholic to be a mason, later only for clergy.
John Paul I was going to clean house, not only of corruption but of clergy and cardinals who were masons, and he died rather suddenly and conveniently *cough*
*cough* before he could do so. (yeah I'm implying murder and I'm not the only one
to think so.) Next pope made it legal for clergy to be masons.
Vatican City is a walled enclave within the city of Rome, has been that way for well over a thousand years.
Historically speaking, walls were always viewed as the first line of defense, not just for protection from foreign invaders, but also to protect against wild beasts and nature’s harsher elements. Jerusalem and the Temple Mount are/were both surrounded by walls. Most any major city mentioned in the Bible was surrounded by walls. Even the future “New Jerusalem” is surrounded by a wall. (Rev.21:12-14) Walls have been a fact of life in this world ever since God's judgment at the Tower of Babel. And that's really the point in this entire argument over "walls".
We should note that nearly everyone celebrated the fall of the Berlin wall as a victory for freedom and human dignity, yet a borderless EU is now experiencing major upheaval and turmoil as a result of the uncontrolled immigrant invasion. Just goes to show what can happen when there are no walls at all.
This Pope obviously hopes for, and openly works towards, a world without borders. Such "true believers" intend to create a new world order that will be strong enough to overcome the barriers (walls) created by the division of languages and division of cultures that God Himself brought about as a judgment against man’s arrogance and ambition on the Plain of Shinar so long ago. [See Gen. 11:1-9]
"True believers" like this Pope, believe they (we, us, mankind) have the power, authority, and skill, indeed, the MORAL OBLIGATION, to create the world they (we,us, mankind) chooses.
If you have not already done so, please read the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace statement on the need for a “World Public Authority". I've already posted this link several threads back, but it is worth posting again in light of the Pope's recent criticism regarding those who "erect walls".
It should be noted that the PCJP document reinterprets the biblical text in order to justify the renewed attempt to build a one world government where a SINGLE GLOBAL AUTHORITY is given power to rule over all the affairs of men.
The UN 2030 Sustainable Development Agenda, signed by 193 countries last September following the Pope's UN visit, describes the moral, political, and financial foundation of this new global "Authority".
I would urge you to compare the words and intentions of the following two documents:
“Only a spirit of concord that rises above divisions and conflicts will allow humanity to be authentically one family and to conceive of a new world with the creation of a world public Authority at the service of the common good.”
"As we embark on this great collective journey, we pledge that no one will be left behind...This is an Agenda of unprecedented scope and significance...It is accepted by ALL countries and is applicable to ALL...We envisage a world free of...[insert list of every problem known to man.]"
I will end my rant by reiterating that those who pursue their own idea of what constitutes the “common good”, or claim that some consensus derived definition of the "commonality” justifies creating a new global governing "Authority", (a.ka. building a new Tower], must of course spiritually and intellectually oppose all those who choose to spend their time on earth causing division. [See: Luke 12:51]
A line that has turned up in books and movies comes to mind, "don't listen to what they say, look at what they do."
What evidence do you have that Rampolla was a Satanist?"
Maybe Mike Tinge was acquainted with him?
A sincere thank you for your post ... some very, very interesting information that I was not aware of. I saved the link for the Pontifical Council for Peace and Justice statement and will read it in its entirety when I can devote the time to it. At first glance, it appears to be in support of a global authoritative government, which is not too surprising being that every pope since John Paul II (that I am aware of) have called for some type of global authority, whether it be economic or governmental.
At the very least, we are living in interesting times!
Add to that the calls for a cashless society. Bill Holter is not the only one talking about this. Many financial professionals are, but his insights are accurate:
The globalist types want to merge us spiritually, politically and economically.
An example of Malachi Martin's maverick tendencies can be seen in his book Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, wherein (p30-8) he speaks of the encounter between the Bishop of Rome, Miltiades, and Constantine immediately after Constantine entered Rome having won the Battle at Milvian Bridge (a few miles north of the city) that made him uncontested Emperor of the western half of the Empire, following his Christian vision. Martin throws in much fine detail of that meeting - fine detail which is not in any ancient account.
It is concerning that Christine, on the thread of the former topic, is stating that fornication equals marriage because the two become one flesh. This is abhorrent and is a vile doctrine of devils! She is dangerously influencing young and vulnerable people with her 'teaching'. She has now admitted to having fornicated with her "resident seer", an unrepentant rebellious " ex " Satanist ( according to her), no doubt she's picked something up.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is a demon speaking through her due to the manipulating deception employed.
She's a real spiritual danger here, and until she rejects all the doctrines of devils and New Age beliefs she promotes and disseminates here , surely the wisest thing would be to ban her!
I have watched Bill Holter interviewed on youtube a number of times and agree with his take on the economy. One site I recommend is Greg Hunter's youtube channel. He is a very good interviewer and has two guests per week, along with a Friday commentary ... highly recommend checking it out.
The economy (as in global) is heading towards an intense train wreck that will be the catalyst that will change all of our lives, and will probably lead to the New World Order these despotic elites have been planning for decades. God sees their end (along with all of His enemies) ... and laughs at them!
I looked up your scripture reference (Luke 12:51) ... Christ speaking:
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:"
And Luke 12:52:
"For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."
Along these same lines ... Luke 2:34 "And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against."
The truth is a DIVIDER and is opposed by this world that "lieth in wickedness." The false, ecumenical movement is nothing other than Satan's effort to construct HIS "church" upon the earth, where truth is slain upon his false altar. Ultimately, Satan's efforts will end just as the Tower of Baal collapsed. This time it will be the total destruction of all of God's enemies.
Nothing that Christine has written (on this thread or the previous) negates that. She has merely spoken around the subject.
This is not a view that she has invented herself; I think it is a view held by some Orthodox Jewish rabbis. But it's wrong whoever holds it!
MOONIES BACK OF EVANGELICALISM http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1818.cfm
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MAKE A RELIGION OUT OF ANTI COMMUNISM. SCROLL DOWN TO SUN MYUNG MOON AND READ THE REFERENCED ARTICLE FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SEEMS OLLIE NORTH WAS IN A SHEPHERDING "CHURCH." real nasty stuff was done in central America murder and rape while talking in tongues was reported by victims who survived, not in this article I think I read that year ago elsewhere. The South American prez I forget the country who was evangelical was another massacre orderer.
death squads tend to kill whole villages not surgical strikes on individuals.
I can be anticommunist without turning it into a religion.
I hope you can at least agree with that.
Just a cursory look at the Unification Church's theology reveals that it fits in quite well with the UN 2030 Agenda, the global movement towards religious tolerance and ecumenism, and the Pope's wish for a world without borders and the call for a single global governing Authority based on a common morality, or the "commonality".
These are all attempts, by man, to reverse the curse, mitigate or undo the fall of man as recorded in Gen. 3, and return mankind to some sort of blissful Edenic state.
From the Wiki entry on "Unification Church": "The Divine Principle's (Rev. Moon's theological treatise) analysis of the Fall sets the stage for the mission of Rev. Moon, who in the last days brings a revelation that offers humankind the chance to return to an Edenic state. The account in the Divine Principle offers Unificationists a comprehensive context for understanding human suffering."
She basically hates everyone, anyone, not like herself.
That is why she constantly reproves others when she only surmises (with her just throw a dart anywhere guesses) that someone else is wrong, with no reproofs (or apologies) for herself, even when she is found in a documented error.
She has nothing to teach because she cannot truly learn, only pass on her variety of "found it on the internet so it must be true" information.
She ruins every subject, every thread, every discussion.
RE: AE Waite a reliable source of information? For sure he knew a lot about the occult - he practised it!
Re:An example of Malachi Martin's maverick tendencies can be seen in his book Decline and Fall of the Roman Church...
Indeed....and that was one of his works of non-fiction!
As her confidence grows here, she produces her Scarlet apple more and more and no matter what glossy shine she tries to give it, inside it is full of rot and heresy, writhing with worms of deceit and decay, its sap deadly gnostism, and there is nothing spiritually nourishing therein!
I guess what I find interesting in this whole discussion is that Communism/Marxism is also one of the "...attempts, by man, to reverse the curse, mitigate or undo the fall of man as recorded in Gen. 3, and return mankind to some sort of blissful Edenic state", but it is sometimes hated by other groups (like the Unification Church and Rev. Moon?) with the same ultimate purpose.
It seems like a contradiction. Is it?
There is a political component to what is going on, and a spiritual one. Perhaps in the political realm, two or more groups can be in opposition, while in the spiritual realm they are on the same page?
Susanna has observed in the past that the New Age movement has a political arm, and a religious arm. These are, respectively, Marxism/Communism, and Gnosticism. I find that observation pretty accurate. (Susanna, if that's not a correct recollection, please correct.) When you have an entity that is a mixture of both, the power for deception and destruction is great.
Perhaps it is the case that there are many permutations of the above formula - a perversion of the gospel mixed with Marxism, as in Liberation Theology, for example. Another example might be Rev. Moon trying to use the popular platform of conservative media to gather funds for his real agenda, which is not conservative at all.
Many ways to slice it and dice it, yes?
Our enemy, the devil, is one of chaos and confusion, so it really isn't all that surprising that you can have various people and groups all being influenced by him, and by the Big Lie that he gave us in Eden, but fighting among themselves nonetheless. Some New Agers rant against the New World Order only to propose their own New World Order. New and Improved! Only $6.66 plus shipping and handling!
Just as no one knows who wrote the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".
Generally speaking even such divergent groups like those you mentioned, (or at least the elites guiding many of them), are all concerned with the same thing, survival. Most believe that war is no longer a viable option so they are looking for some kind of common ground that respects differences and enshrines the principle of the "commonality", not just as a noble cause they actually believe in, but because they think that by doing so it protects their interests and provides the only hope for avoiding endless wars and possible annihilation.
That said, there are of course significant exceptions and warring factions opposing any movement towards any sort of global political unification or religious syncretism or reconciliation. Such factions are labelled "extremist" or "fundamentalist".
[Rich of Medford wrote a lot about this subject on his blog page, "Time, Times, and Half a Time" at http://www.pineline.blogspot.com/]
As for me personally, I do not believe there will ever by a man created "one world religion" as we understand it. However, as I noted previously, there is plenty of evidence that such a superficial "brotherhood of man" complete with a universal moral code is already coming to fruition. The guiding slogan for all humanity has already been identified and selected. It is a slogan that will cause all men to support, or at least tolerate, the formation of a world political Authority charged with serving the common good.
The universal moral code is known as, "The Golden Rule".
Kindly explain how that follows from what I said, Christine. I advocate sexual activity only within marriage. Mosaic Law nowhere explicitly prohibits a man going with a prostitute, but God's view of prostitution is very obvious throughout scripture and (for example) there is certainly a Mosaic Law against the family of a Levite priest being involved with it.
you again, with the no prohibition on going to a prostitute. the model given in Genesis, part of what was to be read to everyone the whole Torah every 3 years gives no non marital type sexual option.
23,000 men were killed by God for sex with Moabites.
the harlot is a model of idolatry and the whole prostitution thing is tarred with the brush of pagan culture.
no options other than marriage or concubinage that is permanent is described.
prohitibion on prostituting your daughters lest the men become wicked. What happens when the land falls to wickedness? Israel gets slammed with curses.
where is it allowed? it isn't. It is an unthinkable non option. But if you only pick over the rules and not the context, you can twist it all you want. What you ADVOCATE means nothing when you yank the rug out from under the morality you say you advocate. Sure Paul denounces this stuff. And homosexual acts. because pagan converts came from a background where both were options.
Jesus didn't have to give lectures, HE only had to say "repent of your sins" and His Jewish listeners knew exactly what these included, going to prostitutes, doing homosexual acts, and other things.
here's how your position leaves the seduced and abandoned out in the cold. Sex outside of legal marriage is sin, so a guy is not just free but encouraged to abandon his lover and she free and encouraged to abandon her lover. THE PERSON ONE HAS HAD SEX WITH IS NOT SEEN AS HAVING ANY CLAIM ON THE PARTY. of any kind.
your kind of talk is what resulted over and over in pregnant girls getting thrown out of school while the unchaste boy's future is not meddled with. The girl facing
this, and possibly being thrown out in the street with her infant by her parents, if it is born, is under duress to commit abortion, something always available and the respectable people always sneaking off to (including married women who were tired of childbearing, and midwives with potions to stop a pregnancy once you missed your period a couple of times, even when it was illegal.
the same mentality has the moslems doing honor killing instead of telling the girl and boy they gotta get married. If he seduces his fiancé he can dump her as not a virgin and she can be killed.
this mentality talks about coming to MARRIAGE as a virgin (if female, easily overlooked if male) but not about coming to ONE'S MATE as a virgin.
you seem focused on prostitution, not on the non prostitution party or friends with benefits or lovers or get together in a bar go home drunk and get laid scene. Why the focus on prostitution? what is with you anyway?
I agree, sir. The foundations are being laid, true. But perhaps the ancient lie in Genesis, only updated, re-sealed and presented one last time with the coming disclosure, would by default create a true global religion. In other words, a faith that is physically brought here by the fallen cherubim, when they return as detailed in the book of Revelation. I am open to other eventual scenarios, but again, I don't see any other event causing such a 'falling away' of faith. Christ asked if He would find faith when He returns. Is that literal?
Yes, Greg's site is very good. For day to day news ZeroHedge is worth looking at too. The comment section can be rude, but..the articles are by professionals who understand what's going on. Greg used to be in mainstream media.
the king of the Kingdom of Heaven and earth, individuals in the world are trying to destroy him by uniting individuals, families, nations, the world and the universe against him. From the position of having to suffer all kinds of persecution, plotting and slandering by Satan, he has gained victory on the individual, family, national, world and cosmic levels and has become one with God. As the first victor of history, he came to the satanic world of the individual, family, nation, world and cosmos.
The True Mother, who has been in the position of following after the True Father, has for the first time in history come to stand in an equal position. Through her worldwide declaration of the liberation of women, the True Father and the True Mother will take their children, go before God, and inherit all the authority and power of heaven. They will establish the original family, and reclaim the tribe, race, nation, world and cosmos, and reorganize the perfect world of Gods will.
The Detroit area physician (Dr. Michael T. Ross) who claims to be a Catholic Christian, it now turns out is really a believer in Rev. Moon and has been helping to arrange such things as mass weddings under the guise of "family protection". "Family," of course, has a double meaning with the Moonies and they also practice what they sometimes call "heavenly deception." This emergency physician who claims to be Pro-Life is working hard to advance the concept of Rev. and Mrs. Moon as "god"!!!!!
I Have Fulfilled my Mission as the Lord of the Second Advent,
the Savior and the True Parent.
As I have mentioned before, the left-wing and right-wing worlds are already being
straightened out through the Headwing ideology. Also, the religion of Islam has started to promote reconciliation and cooperation. A miracle took place last April when representatives from eight Middle East countries took part in a mass holy wedding of the Unification Church. I conducted the blessing ceremony through which fallen people can be cleansed of sin. I solved the historical conflict and settled the tension between the left and the right; furthermore, I established the miracle of bringing about reconciliation with the world of Islam.
These kinds of works cannot be performed through the ability or planning of an individual alone. God chose me to be the Messiah and during this time He has been performing His work of salvation. I have fulfilled my mission as the Lord of the Second Advent, Savior and the True Parent. I am proclaiming this in this place because the time has come to do so. Those who accept this will be blessed. If this race listens to me, how good that would be for this country. How good it would be if the statesmen listen to me. Whether a person listens to me or
not is his individual responsibility; however, the time is coming when all people of the world will want to listen to me.
Dr. Michael T. Ross is very busy infiltrating as many Catholic Churches, Right to Life Groups, Hillsdale College circles and the others as he can reach surreptiously then steering as he sees fit into Unification Church avenues.
A great and filthy seducer he is, I have to say, "even denying the Lord who bought him." Evidently, he's going to see Rev. Moon, not the Son!
You are using my pointing out the silence of Mosaic Law on prostitution (except for priests' daughters) to suggest that I am condoning it, even though I said that God made his negative view of it clear elsewhere in the Old Testament and I am against sex between persons not married to each other (a view I live consistent with). If you think God forgot something at Sinai then you should take it up with him, not me. There isn't any Mosaic Law against drunkenness either, but God makes his negative view of it clear elsewhere in the Old Testament. Drunkenness carries its own penalty, and prostitutes doubtless feel the same about the wretched profession that circumstances led them to adopt.
I don't put much weight on biblical exegeses about sexual morality from someone who cohabits with a man she calls her husband yet refuses to marry before the authorities on financial grounds and for lack of trust; and who excuses this arrangement by saying that the act of sex does not take place because of medical reasons. (The authorities have legitimate right to know who is married to whom.) What if your man's heart condition improved? As for the present, you would presumably have sex if you could; does it not then amount to fornication in your hearts, which Jesus said on the Mount is as bad before God as physical fornication? And what example does this set to secular people who learn of your situation (which you have publicly disclosed on this blog)?
For your own sake and his, please ponder these questions seriously.
you should never put weight on ANYONE'S biblical exegesis regardless of their purity or lack thereof, wisdom or lack thereof.
you should look at the exegesis and see if it fits if the Bible and context is being quoted correctly and all possible relevant Scripture brought to bear on the matter.
Very interesting that the Rev. Moon claimed that “the religion of Islam has started to promote reconciliation and cooperation.”
The “Golden Rule”, as Christians understand it, is a commandment found in Matthew 7:12-
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”
Wow, that’s pretty significant, “the Law and the Prophets” all wrapped up in one single phrase. This “RULE” must be pretty important. No wonder it is being used so effectively by the UN and all their spawn agencies such as the Alliance of Civilizations to bring about a single global political Authority. After all, who, in good conscience, could possibly oppose a world government based upon such an all encompassing compassionate concept?
But we would be extremely naïve to think that everyone on earth understands or interprets such a rule the same way we do. For example, to the followers of Islam the “Golden Rule” has an entirely different meaning. In this 4 min. video praising Islam’s “Prophet”, Karen Armstrong, High Representative for the Alliance of Civilizations and author of the International Charter for Compassion, discusses the “Golden Rule” at length.
In the introduction, Armstrong claims that, “The Prophet, peace be upon him, once said, ‘Not one of you can be a believer, unless he desires for his neighbor what he desires for himself.’”
Well that certainly sounds like the Golden Rule. But while Armstong has spent the better part of her adult life praising Islam, and attacking exclusivist fundamentalists of all persuasions, she fails to understand that people do not interpret the “Golden Rule” the same way.
To the Islamic mind, which places all things in the context of jihad and Allah’s will, such a statement can be interpreted thus: Since every Muslim believer desires to go to heaven, and understands that submission to Allah is the only possible path, and that all non-believing infidels are destined for hell, then it is the duty of every Muslim to try and convert his non-believing neighbor to the “path of righteousness” so that he too, has a chance at gaining heaven.
According to Islamic teaching and history, this can be accomplished by using the same techniques used by the “Prophet” himself, which would include persuasion, bribery, deceit, intimidation, or the sword.
In short, with regards to Islam, anything is permissible in order to insure that one’s neighbor, or his neighbor’s neighbor, submits to Allah’s will, for that is to the neighbors own benefit, even if he doesn’t agree with it or understand it. And if he will not submit, than a quick death can be rationalized as preferable to a long life of unbelief that might negatively affect others. Besides, the very act of removing an infidel’s head from his body may cause an unbelieving "neighbor" to repent and submit to Allah.
Therein lies the secret of how Islam seeks to promote reconciliation and cooperation around the world.
Not so: in my post to which you have responded with these words, I wrote, "I am against sex between persons not married to each other". That would include sex with a prostitute, would it not?
These sentences of yours make me shudder. Prettier girls tend to marry richer men, but provided they stay together that is not a sin of any kind. No woman became a prostitute for the fun of it in the ancient Middle East; it was a last resort way of getting money to survive.
you say you are against it, while you reduce this to merely personal inclination without divine backing because you deny there is any solid Scriptural basis against it.
some prostitutes are nymphomaniacs. but that is not the point. the courageous, the virtuous, will die or kill themselves before they let themselves be pushed into brothels. (Typically Kurdish women warriors at least in Syria have a "weapon of last resort" to kill themselves rather than be taken alive by ISIS. A Croatian girl accepted death rather than work in a Serbian brothel during the Bosnian wars.) the sellouts sell themselves. A kind of gradual conditioning slippery slope goes on sometimes.
the marriage for money period, as distinct from picking a love object from among such men, is what I am talking about. This deal may not be exactly sin BUT THIS MENTAL ATTITUDE IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF A PROSTITUTE, AT LEAST THE COURTESAN TYPE WHO IS SELECTIVE AND CLASSY. it can go downhill from there in terms of selectivity and classiness. last stop the gutter then death.
If the men clients and pimps were put to death there would be no prostitution.
bibles, bubble gum or bimbos, you can't sell a product without a market. kill the market, no product.
I am going beyond the technicalities of sin and talking about the attitude that is a sin precursor. when you look at what someone is really doing, and the difference is one of number of clients and legal fictions, while that first part may be more significant, the fact is that the similarity is enough to make someone under financial pressure just go oh, well, what's the difference really? the guy just wants a wife so he doesn't risk disease and has house work done also, the gal just wants money, let's simplify it and remove the hassles of relationship because love is an illusion and a lie, especially since men are faithless, screw you and marry another and cheat on them.
The length of her posts are bad enough but her subject matter is over the top in that she must air this here? Her blog alone should be the place for her own anx over her own undone life and lifestyle.
She does not want information or instruction from you concerning the topics you post or she would cease and desist letting her personal "stuff" steal it's thunder.
Her demand to teach this blog her weird brand of old testament rulings (among other what could be deemed near heretical things) that she alone abides by (excuses herself with) and the rest of us are in error for not adhering, is getting to the point that I can't stand to even scroll through this place now. People respond to her because they are disturbed at what she is passing off as truth here so they don't leave her uncontested for that reason. She loves to keep the pot stirred for her own amusement or she would just simply disagree and move on. But no!........
She is digusting. Really.
Why is she still allowed to be here with these oft repeated offences after your several reprimands?
I was at another blog's comment section recently that brought up her as an issue over here at your page. Your blog is getting a reputation based up her antics. That is sad.
Way too little, way too late.
You should direct people to continue these episodes over at your own blog.
You love being an issue here or you would have stopped long time ago.
You shamelessly disrespect Constance, and others, repeatedly....
Just keep it up, everyone can see what you are.
everyone can see my remarks are in response to demands for explanation. on this and all other disputed subjects. you are probably one of them. And I have attempted to direct to talk on my blog, but was repeatedly attacked telling me to settle it here.
"And I have attempted to direct to talk on my blog, but was repeatedly attacked telling me to settle it here."
You have been asked to table things here to take to your own blog and why Constance gave you a link from here. How soon you forget--no--how soon you trample her repeated requests to quit the takeover of her blog. you should have directed and stayed directed at your blog for these personal topics-or has been noted episodes.......
Your disrespect only continues this thread and last one too.
Your reputation has widened to other places and it is not a good name you leave behind.
You are so full of yourself that it makes you a totally unfit participant here.
I agree with you and have the exact same attitude (I read Zero Hedge as well). I'm confident that you agree that God gives us knowledge & wisdom to act accordingly ... Joseph in Egypt preparing for the coming famine is an example ... but ultimately we have to put our complete faith and trust in God. I'm sure you probably agree ... we are heading into some very challenging times. The global central bankers have nothing left as far as their ability to artificially spike economic activity. I read recently that in times past, the Fed needed a minimum of 350 basis points to "jump start" the economy ... they are now sitting at a whopping 25 basis points off of zero. Negative rates is just around the corner ... that won't work either. What happens after that is anyone's guess. Add to all that, we are now in another global credit crisis, with personal and government debts way above pre-2008 ... and growing. Baltic Dry Index, bench mark for global commodities, once stood @ 12,000+ is now hovering at around 300 ... a 99% drop!
Hold tight onto your Bible ... things are, IMO, going to get very, very ugly!
A few years ago, I quit visiting this site entirely. I recall, at that time, that one "Christine" droned on and on with hard to follow, lengthy, convoluted, pseudo "New Age" type nonsensical reasoning, etc. I also remember a lot of (sometimes subtle, sometimes overt) pro-Catholic disinformation and basically just wrote the entire site off as a complete waste of my time. For whatever reason, one day I visited the site again. Sadly, not much has changed, other than I think "Christine" has actually gotten even worse. Constance, as in the past, remains very pro-Catholic and seemingly refuses to focus any of her professional research eye towards the direction of the Vatican ... or the Jesuits. Occasionally, she will make a mild comment that she has some "concerns" (such as her comments re: Francis' UN speech) but it never goes any further. Often, Constance raises a "question" that she somehow can't answer, then asks "Susanna" for her "thoughts" which predictably will be very positively biased towards anything and everything Roman Catholic. The whole charade is really quite juvenile, and sickening at the same time.
There is one positive development; I have noticed that there are a few more Bible believers that post on this blog than there were in the past. An even more positive development would be a dedication to the total truth, and follow that truth wherever it might lead. Fighting just the "New Age Movement" while turning a blind eye to Satan's schemes in other places is NOT pleasing to God.
Re:Susanna has observed in the past that the New Age movement has a political arm, and a religious arm. These are, respectively, Marxism/Communism, and Gnosticism. I find that observation pretty accurate.
Your recollection is totally accurate.
Additionally, in a Bible Commentary I once read, it pointed out that at the time of the writing of the Book of Revelations, the two chief dangers to the Church were Emperor Worship and Gnosticism. If these two dangers have a tendency to go tandem, it is because of Gnosticism's strong Pantheistic strain according to which everything in the Universe is somehow all - or a part of - God.
Totalitarian regimes are a modern form of Emperor Worship. And if you carefully study the totalitarian regimes you will eventually find the Gnostic elements albeit more likely in secularized garb.
Socialism/Communism had its modern origins in the Utopian Socialism based on the thinking of early nineteenth-century French political and economic theorist Henri de Saint-Simon whose followers turned Saint-Simon's movement into a quasi-religious system called Saint-Simonianism. Utopian socialists never actually used this name to describe themselves; the term "Utopian socialism" was introduced by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in The Communist Manifesto in 1848.
What you might want to consider reading - if you can find them - are two books by the late historian James Webb.
One is entitled THE OCCULT UNDERGROUND
The other is entitled THE OCCULT ESTABLISHMENT
You may be able to get them through your local library.
Here are a couple of links you might find interesting.
Good observation in my opinion.
Ecumenism Dialog = Anglican/Vatican/American Evangelicals-Copeland
Ecumenism Dialog = Church of England/Vatican/The Family
Federation for World Peace and Unification-Moonies
Note the pivot man in this effort is the Vatican, maintaining enough separation as not to be accused of heretical apostasy? Rome always starts at the fringe when it comes to ecumenism. IMO allot dialog, a little consensus, with roots of compromise.
Please look up my posts again. Do you see where I stated that the daughter of a priest was forbidden to become a prostitute in Mosaic Law? That shows that God thinks it is not OK, does it not? Why God restricts the prohibition to priestly families is an interesting exegetical matter, but once again you have spoken falsely of what I said.
As to your comments about marriage being akin to prostitution in some circumstances, it certainly shows a jaundiced view. I prefer God's high view of the institution.
It is increasingly true today, but is not accurate historically. Marxism/Communism was for more than a century a hardline antisupernatural materialist view of the world; Gnosticism wasn't.
She's a rebellious reprobate with a seered conscience. She's about as Christian and as gentle in spirit as that devil of old, Pope Gregory III.
She dreams of being the Delilah here, enticing the vulnerable over to her Philistine lair, bringing down this blog and devouring anyone tempted by her gingerbread and candy coated abode of Californiacation ! She must be exposed .... why be the watchman sounding the alarm against the wolves outside when one has crept in among us, this infowolf?!
Why, Omots and Marko and others at points would rather shoot the messenger and let her roam free tearing the lambs to pieces. She must repent or go. She is practising her deceptive craft of ego. Her fruits are thistles, thorns and rot and those who support her in this are watering such and increasing the cess.
For we fight not flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness in high places. She is living with a witch , someone who has dabbled in Satanism and may "backside" into it (her reason for not marrying him), if we infer rightly from her text.
She may be smallfry compared to H Blavatsky, Pope John Paul II , P Teilhard de Chardin, etc , but exposed she must be and the flock protected, or we are failing in our care for the Ecclesia!
I would like to briefly add that the word Gnosticism, comes from a Greek word describing how a person acquires knowledge - whether natural or supernatural. But Gnosticism is not supernatural in and of itself.
Moreover, Karl Marx was himself a Gnostic whose "dialectical materialism" was a variation of Hegel's Gnostic meanderings.
MARX AS UTOPIAN
I think it would be safe to say that the following represents the views of more than one reader..
In response to a raft of appalling comments that Christine has written on this blog and now in particular her self justification of living with a man unmarried as being biblically permitted as a "concubine".
Christine were the laws of the land dont contradict Gods laws and morality you are to follow them.
A true lover of the one true God will do that willingly in order to please Him because we are in a covenant relationship with God... and likewise marriage is a covenant relationship.
One of the many signs of the comeing satanic "lawless one" is lawlessness.
Your need to constantly rebel and act in a unregenerate manner is only to obvious to even a casual reader of this blog.
The Bible clearly states "by their fruits you shall know them" your continual rejection of sound counsell from brothers and sisters in the faith concerning sin would warrant being disfellowshiped from the Church until genuine change takes place.
Unfortunately this blog provides the ideal enviroment for you to flaunt your sin and abberant teachings.
Constance has extended you grace well beyond the biblical mandate to do so.
Freedom of speech on a Christian blog does not mean freedom to openly promote sin but rather the opposite freedom to promote truth and expose lies.
I hope Constace takes stock of what is being said because to continually allowing you to behave in the manner that you do is only making matters worse.
You have rejected sound counsel time for removal is long over due.
Remember some people's moral compasses will never point north because they even want to defy Gods law of gravity.
"Please look up my posts again. Do you see where I stated that the daughter of a priest was forbidden to become a prostitute in Mosaic Law? "
apparently to you "prostitution" does not include the client. only the prostitute.
let me rephrase it.
you say you are against prostitution and against (I assume you include men doing
this) sex outside of marriage, but you reduce this to merely personal inclination without divine backing, BECAUSE YOU DENY THERE IS ANY SOLID SCRIPTURAL BASIS AGAINST A MAN GOING TO A PROSTITUTE.
prostitution includes the man. without the man there is no prostitute. or not for long getting no clients. she'll have to try begging instead. and/or eating weeds (many of which are very good for you) and such wild quail (extremely good for you) and rats etc. she can catch.
NO PROSTITUTE CAN COMMIT AN ACT OF PROSTITUTION WITHOUT A CLIENT. period.
bibles, bubblegum or bimbos, you can't sell a product without a market. period.
That is why Jesus says to the prostitute :"go and sin no more! "
Likewise, you and Mike should stop living in sin and should go and sin no more. Instead you boast of your sin without shame.
You have been clearly told. Your blood and Mike's is on your hands, MCE.
I'd say that sums it up nicely.
you have been clearly told and shown that this relationship is biblically
marriage and if it had been going on in a few other states, presenting as man and wife, for less time than it has, we would be legally married. truth is not geographical.
you also have been shown that if we broke up and legally married others we would be committing adultery same as if we were legally married and divorced.
the issue is not just what some local laws define as marriage. the issue is one flesh and does the intent equal whoredom of some degree, or does it equal marriage?
if a couple sees sex not as the ultimate finalizing degree of the relationship, but as a step towards something more, then they are in the fornication category, and the best corrector would be to legalize it. that way they would have the right attitude in what they do.
if they are antisocial or rather asocial and don't play the definition redefinition tradition creation legal structure creation game that in one situation for instance redefines an embryo as legally not human so killable at will, then they are not fornicating, though if they have an ease of "divorce" and "remarriage" attitude they will commit serial adultery, but this serial monogamous adultery is not the same degree as classic adultery since Paul addressed people who would include divorcees when he said let everyone have their own spouse, and Jesus didn't rescind the divorce option merely stated that it was an accommodation and in reality they were doing a permitted degree of adultery.
Do you vent constantly to the guy in your house, like you do here?
Sure explains why there is no sexual relationship.
And why you are not relatable in the least here either.
All you have is words and they are a wasteland. No truth, no content, so full of hot air that it is the Hindenburg floating around in cyberspace.
When the devil is this thing gonna blow?
Have respect for Constance and her blog and go blow up at your own blog.
dominionism running the election somewhat. The thought bothers me....what if the seven mountains concept shows that dominionism is (or is part of) Babylon the great
who sits on seven mountains? scroll down for more articles from herescope.com relevant
to this linked in the main article.
Exactly. We need wisdom that comes from the Bible to bring us through what looks to be the most difficult period the world will face not only economically, politically, militarily, and so on. The opening of the seals points to peace being taken from the earth and hyper-inflation which comes from the debasement of currencies to the point where they are not worth the paper they are printed on. This central bank Ponzi scheme is holding together by a thread, but that thread is about to break. If anyone wonders how the beast system will unfold there is no need to wonder anymore.
Joseph's preparation for 7 years of famine is well worth taking note of.
As for your second comment "An even more positive development would be a dedication to the total truth, and follow that truth wherever it might lead. Fighting just the "New Age Movement" while turning a blind eye to Satan's schemes in other places is NOT pleasing to God."
All I can say is Amen.
The Emergent New Apostolic Reformation Flowing into the New Age
The previous Herescope post looked at the big picture of how the Emerging Church movement is connecting with the New Apostolic Reformation, as exemplified by the release of the new book Jesus Manifesto co-authored by Leonard Sweet and Frank Viola. There are even more troubling connections, and these lead straight into the New Age movement.
Emergent leader Mike Morrell got the plum job of conducting the book-launching "Interview With Frank Viola and Leonard Sweet," which was posted on June 1 at Morrell's webpage HERE. Morrell, "an editor with TheOoze.com and founder of the popular ‘alt.Christian’ web directory zoecarnate.com, explains how he originally hooked up with Frank Viola in his article "House Church: Ready for Prime Time? Frank Viola says 'Yes!'" Morrell, describing Frank Viola as a "family friend," records that he "started reading Frank right at the beginning of my house church journey in 1998, my freshman year in college" and how "[o]ne year later, he crashed on a pallet beside me and three other guys on my parents living room floor!" He then explains the significance of connecting the Emergent movement to the NAR's "house church" movement. He began by relating that
Around 2005 Frank discovered what dawned on me in 2001; that these ‘emerging church’ folks were valuable friends and conversation partners in discovering the life, meaning and mission of Jesus’ followers in the 21st century. He asked me what he should be reading more of, and who he should be talking to. I introduced him to some friends, and gave him some contacts with the e-zines. After digesting more of ‘the conversation,’ Frank penned an article that went viral, Will the Emerging Church Fully Emerge? Andrew Jones and many othersweighed in. . . . 
This 2005 article of Viola's that Morrell is referring to, "Will the Emerging Church Fully Emerge?", was a bold attempt to tweak the Emergent Church, moving it closer towards the ideal structural format of the New Apostolic Reformation's concept of "house church." At this point it is important to explain that the emerging "house church" concept in the NAR is engineered to be an organic whole that is facilitated and networked by a growing alliance of international self-anointed, self-appointed apostles and prophets - a living "body" on earth that is both hierarchical and cellular in nature. It is an "organism" that must be managed by the machinations of man (not God), assessed via feedback mechanisms, monitored and propelled towards an evolutionary target of a collective "emergence." Don't be misled by the rhetoric! The NAR concept of "house church" is not about humble little autonomous churches meeting in living rooms.
By 2008, Morrell was explaining how Viola's ecclesiology was appealing to various Emergent leaders, and he opened the topic for further discussion:
So these days Pagan Christianity? and Reimagining Church hold their own in faith-based best-seller lists alongside other house church-oriented books (that you may or may not have heard of) like The Shack. Michael Spencer, the Internet Monk himself, thinks that emerging church practitioners should take Frank and his ecclesiology seriously. RTS prof Steve Brown is pleasantly surprised by house church ideas. And Relevant’s newly-launchedNeue Ministry discovers that house church folks really can care about the poor.
If you’re a house churcher or emerging churcher (or baffled onlooker), what do you think of this confluence of HC and EC?
Emergent Future Scenarios
On June 1st this past week Mike Morrell greatly assisted the marketing of Sweet and Viola's book by publishing the interview about it on his zoecarnate webpage. The significance of Morrell's role in launching this book must be noted. Morrell is at the cutting edge of this Emergent "confluence." His online bio states that
Mike Morrell – Partner and Associate Consultant/Futurist: I am a Graduate Fellow in Emergent Studies, Master of Arts in Strategic Foresight program at Regent University, and a member of the Association of Professional Futurists. I have six years experience in the publishing industry, working in editorial, marketing and consulting capacities for ABA and CBA publishers including Random House, HarperOne, Tyndale and Zondervan. I am an editor with TheOoze.com and founder of the popular ‘alt.Christian’ web directory zoecarnate.com. My passion lies in the intersection of media and sustainable futures, creating usable futures to function resiliently in a generative economy. This passion has resulted in a growing expertise in the areas of local and global food economies, generative community building, human development and social justice issues, and a focus on sustainable and resilient practices for global resources.
In his capacity as a self-avowed futurist, Morrell represents the most forward wing of the Emerging/Emergent movement that is propelling the church forward into a New World Order/New Age. For example, Morrell was a featured speaker, along with Emergent leader Brian McLaren at the New Age World Future Society Annual Conference held on July 26-28, 2008 in Washington, D.C. At the time, we posted a report describing the significance of this event:
The World Future Society is a leading organization devoted to creating alternative future scenarios for planet Earth. According to Wikipedia, it has about 25,000 members in more than 80 countries.
Also listed on this year's conference program is evangelical leader Jay Gary, who has longtime associations with the World Future Society (see article written by Warren Smith entitled "Evangelicals and New Agers Together"). Gary was instrumental in writing the Perspectives course, which has trained an entire generation of missionaries in new theologies and practices.
Jay Gary and Brian McLaren have both been actively eschewing "doomsday" eschatologies, a fact which we have written about previously on Herescope (a very important read!).
Morrell has published his infatuation with the future on his blog. He has been a student in the Masters in Strategic Foresight program at Regent University under the tutelage of Jay Gary, a global mission leader who has been for the past 3 decades closely associated with the leaders of what is now called the New Apostolic Reformation. Jay Gary, who has also been a speaker at the World Future Society, is at the forefront of Christian Futurism. Over the course of the past decade, Gary has been working on an alternative eschatology of "transmillennialism", which is an unabashed attempt to reformulate and update Teilhardian evolutionary philosophy into a new hybrid eschatology that will facilitate an evolutionary ecumenical convergence. Morrell describes how he works with Gary's agenda:
"Presence, an eschatologically adventurous think tank and activist cell living visions of a new reality. Together we’re helping mine creative futures for a world chock-full of the earthy and divine."
Closely connected with this newly concocted eschatology is the idea of "transhumanism," that humans can evolve into a higher order species via techno-spiritual evolution.
Jay Gary is a fascinating study in how an evangelical mission leader could hook up with the New Age so quickly. In 1996, Berit Kjos wrote about his connections with the New Age, explaining how he had joined
forces with Robert Muller, the former under-secretary of the United Nations, whose spiritual tutors include former Buddhist U.N. leader U Thant, former occult Masonic leader Foster Bailey, and Alice Bailey, his wife who channeled the Tibetan Master Djwhal Khul.... On the first page of his Bimillennial Research Report (March-April 1992), Jay Gary gave an uncritical endorsement of Robert Muller, announced the coming “World Parliament of Religions"....
The World Goodwill Newsletter published by Lucis (formerly Lucifer) Press, which was founded by Foster and Alice Bailey, offers a clue. It describes BEGIN, the global networking organization founded and directed by Jay Gary, and endorses the relationship between Gary and Muller.
The Bi-MillEnnial Global Interaction Network (BEGIN) is a group of concerned world citizens who circulate information and ideas on celebrating the year 2000 as a planetary jubilee with an agenda of hope. The question which BEGIN seeks to address is: “How can the thousands of bi-millennial celebrations of life and civilizations truly leave a legacy for the entire human family that will endure the test of time?”
In a letter to World Goodwill, BEGIN Executive Director Jay E. Gary writes:
“One common project we are developing is an `International Year of Thanksgiving’ in 2000, especially through the United Nations. Dr. Robert Muller has given leadership to this proposal. If any of your readers would like to bring definition to a World Thanksgiving Year in 2000, marked by reflection, reconciliation, and gratitude between nations, cultures, and peoples, please have them correspond with us. We are collecting articles and papers on these themes for an upcoming Lets Talk 2000 Forum."
Apparently Jay Gary does not seem to discern the danger inherent in an alliance and joint celebration with occult world leaders.
All of this interaction with leading Luciferian futurists has far-reaching consequences. Gary's student, Mike Morrell, is playing a key role in this great "confluence" of Emergent, New Apostolic Reformation and New Age. Morrell wrote the following explanation about how this has all come about in a piece entitled "Sunday Devotional: Matthew Fox, Cosmic Mass":
...no one processing religion, faith, and spirituality in a post* world can afford to ignore Matthew Fox - tempestuous, flamboyant, inventive; priest, artist, liturgist and theologian. The defrocked Catholic-turned-Episcopal priest was (with the unlikely influence-pairing of Vineyard revitalizer John Wimber) responsible for inspiring what was arguably the first ever emerging/postmodern congregation in the mid-1980s – the brilliant, controversial, combustible Nine O’ Clock Service. Inspired by a Wimber prophecy at St. Thom‘s in Sheffield and nurtured by Fox’s Creation Spirituality amongst working-class rave culture, the NOS was a potpourri of influences and expression.
Even after it’s untimely demise, the UK’s ‘Planetary Mass’ idea – shades of Teilhard de Chardin‘s Mass on the World – re-caught the attention of Fox himself, who brought it back to the US as a ‘Techno-Cosmic Mass.’ To this day, there are many interested in applying the ideas of Original Blessing and Creation Spirituality to communal expressions, as well as many of more staidly orthodox persuasion interested in alternative worship expressions...
A new article just posted on the Apprising Ministries website, "MIKE MORRELL ON MATTHEW FOX, JOHN WIMBER, AND THE EMERGING CHURCH," provides an in-depth examination of the background and far-reaching ramifications of all of this emerging "confluence."
Matthew Fox's Cosmic Christ is an alternative "christ" that is more in keeping with an ecumenical New Age than the Gospel of Salvation of orthodox Christianity. Which raises the question: precisely which Jesus is being talked about in Frank Viola and Leonard Sweet's new book?. . . .
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" (Romans 6:3-5)
was a tendency to seek clerical blessing on a marriage and civil
marriage remained but sometime in the middle or late first millennium
it developed that all marriages had to be in church.
This held thereafter, so that civil marriage didn't even exist until it
was recreated by anticlericalists in the French Revolution. In England,
the common law marriage was an alternative (and included civil ceremonies
and shipboard captain doing a marriage, but also living together openly as
man and wife, the key issue is public claiming of each other, not sneaking
around meeting somewhere) and common in the USA but gradually changed for
Churches now are pretty much influenced by the culture and concepts around
them. Some few would consider a civil marriage not done in church to be
not valid but fornication. Before Vatican II the RC didn't recognize a
marriage done in any other denomination or done by civil ceremony.
cultural baggage has gotten into churches before. sometimes it would result
in a heresy, sometimes in a dubious practice.
An early fight in I forget which century, was over I think a Roman bishop
who would marry couples that were not legal to marry because of the social
status of one of the parties. This was attacked as not obeying the law of
the land, and his answer was that the Church should be under God not the
The symphony between church and state was a cooperation, neither ruling
over the other though heretical emperors would persecute Orthodox and
sometimes payback when Orthodox emperors replaced the former, and the
Church would criticize emperors and society. One early father, St. Gregory
of Nyssa made a case against slavery, but this didn't have the impact
it should have had. The legal category of slave remained, and a rule was
made that a slave could not be clergy without his master's permission,
but there was I suppose some tendency to free slaves. This is an example
of the issue of cultural baggage getting into the church, that slavery
wasn't fought much.
on the other hand, as long as it was legal to kill unwanted infants by
exposure (leave them out on the garbage dumps or the woods to die or be
eaten or worse picked up by brothel keepers to be raised as prostitutes),
Christians were scrambling out there picking up babies and raising them
sloppy views the parties have, I would recommend any couple who
aren't married to get married or to so arrange their property and
a contract guaranteeing payoff if they separate for reasons other
than abuse or cheating, so as to make "divorce" more difficult.
Age of consent for marriage is about without parental permission. If
a teen couple going steady are having sex, their parents should get
them to marry which they can do at various mid teen years with parental
permission depending on the state. (New Jersey and Texas last I heard
the age of consent period, sex or marriage, was 14. That may have changed.)
This married status protects the relationship against wannabe homewreckers
and secures issues like contact in a hospital. This also can be managed
by adults in paperwork they set up for their relationship. You can
designate anyone you want to always have information, visit, make
decisions be emergency contact, etc. if it happens to be your "mate"
it makes no difference.
"Before his death in 1965, his occult healing spirit was transferred to hundreds by the laying on of hands. These people include almost all the major names who operated as "healing" evangelists during that time, and who are still at work today. They took Branham’s mantle through the period known as the Latter Rain, endued by the power of his demonic occult entity. "
before you let anyone slay you in the spirit or lay hands on you or prophesy
over you, and before you give too much credence to prophesying, you'd best consider
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
Christine has hogged up this entire blog (has been going on for YEARS ... Hello, Constance ... are you still there?) with her self-serving, self-justification, self-righteous rationalizations in order to convince one and all that she is not living in sin.
Question: is there a single person on this entire blog that would allow Christine to teach their children?
sloppy views the parties have, I would recommend any couple who
aren't married to get married"
Quite right Christine. How about taking your own advice?
our moral status is married. there is no pragmatic need to make it legal. I've answered your questions before. Why do you tie up the blog with your incessant whining and accusing? My moral standard is far higher than yours. you figure if you have a backslide and have a fling with someone you need to "repent" and dump the person. I figure you do that, you have to stay with that person for the rest of your life, even if it wasn't an ideal pick. This is highly limiting.
No. Her lump is leavened.
So is she so numb spiritually that she has no idea how dangerous the position she is in by her "form" of "obedience" that is not really based in what God says but based on what she says instead?..
Makes me wonder if her head will be what keeps her out of heaven, in other words, missing it by that critical 18 inches, so to speak. Having a "form" of godliness (her twisted version), but denying the power thereof. There is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof is the ways of death, it says in proverbs. Is this where she is at? Ever "learning" and never coming to the knowledge of it? Solomon said in the pursuit of knowledge (as a mere goal) it is weariness and vanity--a pride as none other. It is no joking matter that she has wearied things here so badly, is she stumbling others like Jesus said in Matthew 23:13? That is what she represents to me.
None of the great themes of the bible come out of her posts. No holiness, no majesty, no mercy, no love, oh my goodness, no forgiveness....There is just more preaching of her version of the "facts". Working night and day, post by post, justifying herself rather than the Lord.
God knows what merry-go-round this pitiful soul is on.
She's still arguing with God in this public place.
Pride will go before a fall. That is a given.
What did this blog ever do to be relentlessly subjected to her moral standard which is so much higher according to her?
She is one sick pharisee.
Have you looked at the comments here about who does that?
My moral standard is far higher than yours. you figure if you have a backslide and have a fling with someone you need to "repent" and dump the person. I figure you do that, you have to stay with that person for the rest of your life
God said that that was necessary only if the woman was a virgin beforehand. In other cases you are adding to the law. Didn't Christ have something to say about that?
if you are not free to divorce one you are legally married to then you are not free to dump someone who is a lover not legally married to you either. If it was some fly by night, or wild party or a professional whore, then you might be better off just disappearing, if it was clearly not supposedly romantic.
Was Jesus ADDING TO THE LAW when He told the Pharisees that their divorce and remarriage was adultery, on the basis of the situation in Eden, that they were not pure, merely using an accommodation God gave to their weakness but they were not pure?
divorce was easy under mosaic law, unless you made a public disgrace of the girl.
Jesus taught Paul and Paul held up one flesh as the issue in prostitution that the man has committed a sin against his own flesh all other sins are outside of the body but this he defiles himself.
now I ask you, WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT A MAN CAN ENGAGE IN SEX WITH A NON VIRGIN, OR A PROSTITUTE AND NO CONSEQUENCES? where? The overarching principle was holiness. the sexual example was adam and eve. polygamy and divorce and remarriage was allowed but polygamy was limited to what you could afford to keep giving her including sexual attention. lessen any of this for another woman, and whether she be formally married wife, or a sold servant who was also a concubine, she could walk out without paying money (paying the bride price back, how would she get it? making things and selling them, keeping back from an allowance she might have, begging, get it from a relative).
with all these limitations, you think the impurity you suppose to be okay would be anything but an anomaly?
there were a core set of judgements and rules from God. there were judges (not the ruling judges of "Judges") set up and harder cases came to the priests. obviously many things weren't cut and dried. A lot of matters not covered specifically would have to be worked out on principles calculated from what WAS specific.
and if the wicked are to be flogged or killed, then the prohibition on prostituting your daughters lest the land fall to wickedness means men who go to prostitutes are wicked and that puts them in range of flogging.
I can only speculate why you are so concerned to uphold the freedom of men to do these things, though of course you don't approve, nose in the air, but its allowed. what game are you playing on the side? do you have a "kept woman" you support in return for sex, something much more like marriage than a more equal affair, and worried you might have to make it legal with what you see as your personal whore?
Christine posted the following as the reason(s) why she won't get legally married...
"What's keeping me from making it legal now? two things. one, the subtle threat of a non wife being able to testify in case he backsides into doing serious bad stuff (increasingly unlikely), and his debts which under California's version of the Equal Rights Amendment I would be liable for. about $80,000 old child support back due and student loan his daughter he taught too well in the old days had used forgery to hook him on beyond the $3k or $5k he agreed to cosign.
So her first reason is ... having the threat and legal right to bear witness against her (non) husband which is the opposite to spousal testimonial privilege as covered in US law (however Federal common law differs).
Second reason is monetary... incuring no liability.
WHOW! Two ticks for showing love based reasons... I think not.
So we are to understand that holding on to threats, mistrust and love of money.... is the total sum of why you won't get married.
Repent of the unforgiveness that rules your life and thoughts.
Disgracefully, you turn an exegetical discussion into a personal one by asking whether I have a "kept woman". The answer is No. I am not married and am celibate and not cohabiting. How about you?
So if he "Christines defacto" has a daughter that means he had sex with another woman so according to Christine is one in the flesh with someone else making him married so according to what Christine has said then he is a husband to someone else and therefore would make Christine an adulterous woman.
But wait I think she advocates "no" to adulterous because she shows fedality in that she is only for him as a "concubine" and therefore wouldnt have been be stoned for adultary in biblical times because shes a concubine and not a prostitute.
Multiple wifes, concubines where will it end.
Now none of this makes sense for good reason... because its unbilical, non christian, sin justifying nonsense.
the word translated husband is aner, man. "For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. "
"For you have had five men; and he whom you now have is not your man: in that said you truthfully." Probably someone she was not even properly concubine to but a friend with benefits or someone else's man, now that monogamy was the rule. There was a JEwish decision that a woman could not legally have more than four marriages, something is wrong if that many men are dying off or she's getting that many divorces, by the time she's buried or dumped or been dumped by number four, no more. Whether Samaritans were under Jewish law the lot of them under Roman rule, or had developed the same idea on their own or borrowed it I don't know. However, FIVE been mentioned they either allowed five sequentials instead of four, or that was just the figure.
There was something screwy about the relationship. The last statement "in that you spoke truthfully," is kinda strange. Implying she lied a lot usually? could be. Or she was angling to look single and snag this interesting and maybe useful guy Jesus. Which of course He would know, and not going for it.
"So if he "Christines defacto" has a daughter that means he had sex with another woman so according to Christine is one in the flesh with someone else making him married so according to what Christine has said then he is a husband to someone else and therefore would make Christine an adulterous woman."
They both remain one flesh but they both have had other partners since each other. And his prior sex partners would have gotten laid by the time I took up with him. The last one kicked him out when he ran out of money, would qualify as the Pauline exemption (abandonment), so we are in the clear on that one.
And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
Whst this crazy talk about five spouses as a limit... I am surprised you havent used the above old testment quote to justify having one thousand as a limit.
The new testament says husband of one wife not "one at a time" or any other number of wifes.
You advocate heretical sexual sin... repent of your idolatry and adultary.
Whats next co habitation with an alien!.
You're basically arguing with wallpaper again, in another one of your what "is" is lectures, because your arguments are lost on real people in real life.
Is there no end to you're rebellious stupidity and senseless arguing?
You are desperate to find a way to right your wrong.
All of your reasoning is artificial an non-applicable anyway because you have no biblical grounds whatsoever no matter how much bible you are trying to make stick to it.
Shame on you for using this blog for your personal dirty laundry.
"Perhaps the best way to define the Jezebel spirit is to say it characterizes anyone who acts in the same manner as Jezebel did, engaging in immorality, idolatry, false teaching and unrepentant sin."
I will stick with the Bible in context.
Someone advocateing non marriage as christian and using name christine.
Really! It just does quite add up.
Maybe this is a dupe
"Disgracefully, you turn an exegetical discussion into a personal one by asking whether I have a "kept woman". The answer is No. I am not married and am celibate and not cohabiting. How about you?"
This is typical of Christine. Challenge her on anything and she will always attack personally. Recently, I correctly stated that she advertised the psychic "talents" of her live in boyfriend on this blog. She realized her mistake by placing it here instead of on another obvious site and quickly removed it. Three other people saw exactly what I saw. Instead of admitting what she did, Christine attacked me as an "obvious Satanist," etc.
Whenever you are attacked, always consider the source. Being attacked by Christine and her ilk should be viewed as the ultimate compliment.
Whats the bet she reads "World News" maybe she could write articles for them and spare us of the "spew" forth.
She could have her own soap: "Gnostic -Landing"
Regardless of her victoriolic and selfrighteous accusative manner many have taken measures to correct any percieved wrong and do away with any potential appearance of evil whether it be real or imaginary for the Gospels sake.
Unfortunately whilst we all would consider any revileing accusation bought against us by Christine in the light of scripture (should there posibably be any merit in her accusations) inreality no one is afforded the same consideration by her when trying to bring correction to her .
I firmly believe her unrighteous behaviours are rooted in unforgiveness towards her deceased Mother whom she has referred to as a "b ( she dog) on this blog.
Christine needs to experience the forgiveness of God in its fullness and I really dont know whether she can if harbouring unforgiveness as she seems to.
Further proof (refer Anon 05.04pm blog post above) of her unforgiveing, mistrusting rejection outlook seems evident in her reasonings for not being married to the man she now lives with.
Christine read every scripture on forgiveness and seek Godly counsel, repent and confess yor sins so that you may be forgiven, healed and delivered.
"Gnostic Lunar Lander" the game where Alien thought twists scripture in preperation for the comeing Antichrist
(Censorship rated as "NA" new agers only)
"Defileing the Temple" this deadly games aim is to encourage the defileing of the temple of the Holy Spirit (as defined in scripture as a Christians physical body)and achived by the twisting of scripture to indulge in an unlawful carnal relationship.
(Censorship rated as R18 for explict non biblical and unlawful sexual content)
Because when there is such a repetitive focus on one thing, prostitution, when there are other forms of sexual misbehavior, it makes him look suspicious. many people have personal agendas. either themselves are up to something or some decision they made long ago needs defending, or some friend's situation is an issue.
some lines of argument theologically add up to specific cult lines of thought, or are obviously headed that way. this guy's obsession with prostitution being okay as per Mosaic Law is really weird.
now, I think I can prove it was Not An Option.
where something is allowed, there are regulations about it, particularly if it goes wrong. you are allowed to keep sheep and cattle, BUT if you graze them on someone's land you pay for this. if you start a fire on your property you are liable if it gets to another property, but no prohibition on starting a fire in the first place, there are legitimate reasons (Garbage burning).
WHERE IS IT WRITTEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS? (non existent hypothetical law "if a man goes in unto a prostitute, he will pay her what they agreed on. if it is more than the usual price, or same or less, he will pay. if he does not pay she may take him to the judges, and he will pay her twice what they agreed on which he did not pay. But if she steals from him to get her pay he has refused, and he accuses her of theft, she shall keep the value of the theft that was what they agreed on, but shall return the rest and not get twice the value of their agreement because she stole instead of complaining to the judge.")
this would be acknowledging as legal the behavior of going to a prostitute, by regulating the commerce and potential disputes in the matter.
there is no such law.
therefore, prostitution clients were not anticipated as existing in any sense of acceptability enough to regulate dispute between them, or to guarantee her pay as would a normal worker be guaranteed where it says not to keep a worker's hire overnight but pay him.
SINCE THERE IS NO LAW SPELLING OUT THE RIGHT OF PROSTITUTES AND CLIENTS, THERE WAS NO ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRACTICE OF GOING TO A PROSTITUTE.
Sure they were around, Samson went to one. In a time of chaos, breakdown of values, etc. etc.
And being a concubine rather than a wife!.
Seriously wheres this Alien rubbish comming from.. go and get some help.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/concubine/ in modern terms you could relate me to that, also he as my concubine since we are not legally married. you could also call us "husband and wife" as we do, which in Hebrew and Greek is "man and woman."
My concern is that couples be encouraged to stay together, and regularize relationships for respectability's sake since they are known to not be legally married. Mike and I are not known to not be legally married.
"My concern is that couples be encouraged to stay together, and regularize relationships for respectability's sake since they are known to not be legally married. Mike and I are not known to not be legally married."
Actually Christine its about Gods sake and His institution of the marriage covenant.
Its a blood covenant and a witness to those that are outside the faith
Your arguement is the same as Gay marriage activists use.
You never seem concerned about your witness but then your world revolves around you... you have created it and in doing so deny the one true Creator.
I doubt Constance is remotely interested in your sinful outlook on co habitation Christine.
Playboy magazine may.. perhaps you should leave this site and write on their blog.
Hugh had live in bunnies.
Man that totally proves everything... I think not.
Did the Aliens tell you marriage was wrong Christine?
In the Bible God explicitly said in Genesis, male and female made HE them, and the unhappy couple Chritine and Mike, are outside the norm, so they have chosen to make their own rules of 'engagement' ;). We know from what has been written multiple times here that the one who is playing 'wife' is an amazon wearing the pants, and holding the wallet.
They have to. The Bible cannot validate them.
I think we all have received endless compliments when it comes to Christines rants.
I stopped using my name ages ago because of her constant badgering of anyone who comments about anything contrary to her scripture twisting.
Seems of late the exposure of her lifestyle choice (as the world would put it) has finally made her really declare where she is at.
Fancy actually trying to defend co habitation as biblically right.
Nows she calling her defacto partner a concubine to quote " he as my concubine since we are not legally married".
Who's conquered who?.
Maybethis blog shouldbe renamed Area 51.
Is this what prompted Christines rubbish about redemption for aliens.
Maybe she could right a thesis titled "preaching extraterrestial doctrines" its more palatable to the gulliable than what the bible calls it "doctrines of demons" (abstaining for marriage being one of them).
I feel sorry for people trying to get out of the occult and new age who come to this place in hope of help and find some of Christines writings (they dominate the place).
Wait for the day when Constance properly confronts Christine for her sinfilled writings and actions in Jesus Christs Name... it surely can't be to far off when considering things that Christines been writing on here.
In truth It is hard to take some of what you write seriously but it isnt funny.
If you really do believe in what you are saying (and it seems that you do) then you need proper christian counselling to bring correct guidance on matters that are concerning you and Mike.
There is a huge danger when people look into false teachings etc that it can possibly gain a foothold somehow.
Your obvious capacity to absorb imformation seems well beyond the average norm and I would respectfully suggest that with such a high rate of absorbtion you need a very good filter.
Gods Word and the leading of the Holy Spirit is our defense.
I for one want to see you in right relationship with God and believe many on this blog want the same for you as well.
'What Critine thinks!'
Her perspective : sometimes surreal, sometimes far out, always twisted and nutty!
Except that you have freely disclosed this information and your full name and his first name and your State of residence on a public blog. More importantly, known to whom? God knows all things.
The neighbors and others around us don't know except for Brian in the wheelchair we took in. and the cleaning lady a bit loose herself I had to read a lecture to.
On this blog, the issues have been being hashed out already. if some immoral person considers it righteous to break up a couple because of a mere technicality or to abandon a long term lover who has always been faithful on account of "repentance" that is their problem. I have always considered that St. Augustine's kicking the mother of his son out because not legally married to her was bad, and while his mother St. Monica had prayed for his conversion for years, she also wanted to break them up to get him into a socially useful marriage. But he became a priest instead and having been ordained while single had to remain single. Ah how the standards of the world creep in.
4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
6 So we say with confidence, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?”
7Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so.
In simple application of the scriptures above to todays situation
1) Honor marriage by getting married.
2) Defilement of marriage is judged by God.
3) Money or debt liability is no excuse not to marry.
4) We are not to fear man but trust in God.
5) Genuine disciples of Christ and the Word should be our example (not ungodly worldly sinners or heretics)
6) God,Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and therefore His Word are unchangeing.
7) Dont indulge in strange teaching it will lead you astray.
Your answer will speak volumes about you.
21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—
30 for we are members of his body.
31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Its all to obvious as to the application of these scriptures.
Right relationship to Jesus Christ is totally foundational to the willing and loveing submission, respect and relationship to eachother found in genuine marriage.
Christine, Is this why you won't get married, you're not sure?
She refuses to address the scriptures directly choosing to argue with people instead, which gets her nowhere and still wrong because the word of God has got her number. She lives in violation of it, claiming a higher morality than the rest of put together...but the buck stops with GOD, not her ;) .....
I hope you find this helpful.
St. Augustine's mistress and son, and a lesson from his conversion
The greatest of the Fathers of the Church, the Doctor of Grace, St. Augustine was not always so saintly. This is well known. Until his thirty-second year, the future Bishop of Hippo was not baptized nor did he live a life worthy of the true Faith.
St. Augustine, in the time before his conversion, had contracted an illicit relationship with an unnamed woman and, from this union, came a son. What became of these two – this mother and son – after St. Augustine’s conversion?
What brought about this great conversion in Augustine?
When only seventeen years of age, Augustine entered into relations with a young woman. She conceived and bore him an illegitimate son, whom he named Adeodatus or “Gift of God”.
When the future saint traveled to Rome and then to Milan, the woman and child accompanied him. She and Augustine continued their illicit union.
The guilt of their relations was a source of great sorrow for St. Monica, Augustine’s mother, who prayed for her son’s conversion with many tears. Her prayers were very nearly answered by a marriage, but this was postponed and ultimately abandoned for a reason which has been lost to history.
However, the son, Adeodatus, was a bright young lad with a promising future. His intellectual capabilities were evident even from his young teenage years. He was the joy of his parents.
The conversion of the mistress
When it became clear that marriage would not be contracted (and, most likely, related to whatever the difficulty was), the unnamed lover of St. Augustine experienced a strong conversion. The couple ended their illicit relationship.
“She was stronger than I,” wrote St. Augustine, “and made her sacrifice with a courage and generosity which I was not strong enough to imitate.”
The mother of Adeodatus, gave her son to his father (a sacrifice which was great indeed) and abandoned the world to devote herself to a life of penance in a monastery in Carthage. There this woman made atonement for her sins and sought God above all things. We can suppose that she died a very holy death.
St. Augustine’s conversion
The Doctor of Grace was, however, slower to respond to the divine assistance. While desiring holiness, he yet desired pleasures and so fell to yet another illicit relationship. This was, however, short lived and his true conversion followed shortly.
Hearing of how others had been converted by reading the Life of St. Anthony of the Dessert (the first great Life of a Saint, itself written by the great St. Athanasius), Augustine was moved to strive in earnest for heaven.
While praying in a garden in Milan (and weeping over his attachment to sin), Augustine heard a faint voice say tolle, lege or “Take up and read.” The Saint opened the Letters of St. Paul at random and found Romans 13:13-14, Not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying, but put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof.
At the Easter Vigil of 388, St. Augustine was baptized together with Adeodatus by the saintly bishop of Milan, St. Ambrose. And so began his Christian life which has benefited the Church through the ages to the present day.
[Update: I neglected to mention that Adeodatus, about a year after his baptism, died a holy death at the young age of sixteen]
Augustine's mother had followed him to Milan and arranged a marriage for which he abandoned his concubine. Although Augustine accepted this marriage, Augustine was deeply hurt by the loss of his lover. He said, "My mistress being torn from my side as an impediment to my marriage, my heart, which clave to her, was racked, and wounded, and bleeding." Augustine confessed that he was not a lover of wedlock so much as a slave of lust, so he procured another concubine since he had to wait two years until his fiancée came of age. However, his wound was not healed, even began to fester. (Confessions 6:15)
There is evidence that Augustine may have considered this former relationship to be equivalent to marriage. In his Confessions, he admitted that the experience eventually produced a decreased sensitivity to pain. Augustine eventually broke off his engagement to his eleven-year-old fiancée, but never renewed his relationship with either of his concubines. Alypius of Thagaste steered Augustine away from marriage, saying that they could not live a life together in the love of wisdom if he married. Augustine looked back years later on the life at Cassiciacum, a villa outside of Milan where he gathered with his followers, and described it as Christianae vitae otium – the Christian life of leisure. (Burrus, Virginia (2011). ""Fleeing the Uxorious Kingdom": Augustine's Queer Theology of Marriage". Journal of Early Christian Studies (Johns Hopkins University Press) 19 (1): 1–20. doi:10.1353/earl.2011.0002.)
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Thank you. I confess that I have never been able to read Augustine's Confessions though. I have read Athanasius' biography of St Anthony, but I think you mean he is Anthony of the Desert rather than the Dessert!
While I have not yet read St. Athanasius' biography of St. Anthony ( of the desert ) I have Read St. Augustine's CITY OF GOD, THE CONFESSIONS, and
If you like, CONFESSIONS is available at Project Gutenberg and you can read it at the following link for free online. I have also posted links below to some of St. Augustine's other works that are available for free online.
CONFESSIONS ( St. Augustine)
CITY OF GOD
ON THE TRINITY
ON GRACE AND FREE WILL
ON CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE
THE COMPLETE WORKS OF ST. AUGUSTINE IN ENGLISH
Anonymous 5:56 P.M.
Re: Hearing of how others had been converted by reading the Life of St. Anthony of the Dessert(sic) (the first great Life of a Saint, itself written by the great St. Athanasius), Augustine was moved to strive in earnest for heaven.
I posted it the way I found it. :-)
Its tantamount to the extreme of antinomianism that teaches that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation.
It stands to reason that unless one is truly born again ( through repentance and true faith) and renewed by the washing of Gods word the rejection of Gods will and Word and any socially established morality (that is consistant with Gods ways) is likely to manifest.
Re: "Thank goodness we are to imitate Christ and not draw upon the dubious example of sin in the life of so called venerated saints to support ungodly living."
That is a totally clueless remark. The reason why "so-called venerated saints" are venerated is precisely because of the way in which they freely and heroically answered the call of God's grace and repented. We do not draw upon the "dubious example of sin in the life of so called venerated saints" to support ungodly living." We draw upon the shining example of their grace-filled transformation in Christ Jesus to support GODLY living.
Re: "Its tantamount to the extreme of antinomianism that teaches that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation."
That may have been what St. Augustine taught as a Manichaean before his dramatic and miraculous conversion. But it is not what Augustine taught after his conversion.
Insofar as antinomianism is by its very definition "lawlessness" it is completely contrary to the Gospels.
What the Gospels and the Bible DO teach is that faith without works ( i.e. faith in action) is dead. This includes obedience to the new commandment which is the Law of Love. "Sola Fides" bereft of accompanying said works along with the "once saved always saved" meme is a recipe for Sloth which is one of the seven capital sins.
So if anyone wants to talk about "true faith," he had better be thinking in terms of obeying the Ten Commandments - the "Old Law" which has "not been abolished but fulfilled" and incorporated into the New Law - The Great Commandment which mandates love of God and love of neighbor as oneself.
Otherwise, as St. Paul says, one is merely a "noisy gong." 1 Corinthians 13:1
Really? Is this what the Apostles taught us, to venerate Mary?
Is this what the Church fathers taught us, to venerate themselves or the Apostles?
The pagan construct and source of the word is telling!
This is repugnant to me, and has nothing to do with Faith or Works!
One who turns from the worship of the creator to that of the created?
Have we heard that somewhere before?
My comments on venerated saints was directed out of concern over Susanna's comments re Augustine as they seem supportive of Christines defacto relationship defense.
quote "There is evidence that Augustine may have considered this former relationship to be equivalent to marriage"
Very early on Augustine should have been disqualified from leadership, and to think that his later confessions are used as a basis for down playing sinning how appalling.
Eli and his sons 1 Samuel 2:12-36 shows the drastic consequences of failing to deal with sinning in the preisthood.
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you... Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven... I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators
1. Denying the Divinity of Jesus Christ.
2. Promoting reincarnation on her New Age blog.
Please clarify this: are we to accept this is just yet another of her false accusations , or was your silence due to admission? She said she has proof. Whether that proof is of the same inadmissible nature as that with which she falsely accused Paul or is it of a more believable standard?
the evidence on Paul is NOT inadmissible and I leave it up to those who saw it to decide if it fits paul's style or not.
Let's see what Dan says, then I will post what I saved.
WAY, WAY TOO MUCH FROM YOU! I AM BEING URGED TO BAN YOU FROM THIS. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW UP ON AS MUCH THIS WEEK AS COMPUTER RESTORATION FROM THE CRASH AND FACTORY REPAIRS IS STILL TAKING PRECEDENCE ON MY TIME -- COMBINED WITH COURT -- I WAS ALSO BUSY AS A LAWYER THIS WEEK. THE BACK AND FORTH ARGUING WITH OTHER POSTERS HAS GOT TO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FURTHER, I AM ADVISED -- NO TIME YET TO CHECK IT OUT -- THAT YOU ARE ADVANCING POSITIONS FAVORABLE TO FORNICATION AND "SHACKING". I DO NOT WISH SUCH ON THIS BLOGSPOT, AND AS FOR THE 'ALIENS', P-L-E-A-S-E!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm just about ready to go on air for this week's radio program. i'll need your help and input this week! Thanks!
as for "shacking up" I am for monogamous single standard permanence. That a couple not legally married are as bound as a legally married couple morally, and cannot separate and marry others without biblical basis for divorce, without guilt of adultery. words translated his wife and her husband are "his woman" and "her man" in Hebrew and Greek. same as for "married" as for concubinage and as for betrothed.
Paul did not denounce those who practiced usus marriage (married by living together a year and a day, typical of the lower classes Christian converts came from under Roman law) or were in the process of establishing this, when he denounced fornication in I Corinthians he addressed a form of incest having your step mother as your woman.
as for aliens, why does no one take the tack of the old time Christians of the 1800s to prepare to convert them to Christ, if they turn out to be physical?
as for volume of posts, take a look at the volume of theirs, and if I post something of use in keeping track of globalism or whatever, they start their attacks again. Some years ago they were doing the same vilification and slander of other people and drove them out.
And RayB, Dan Bryan, and two (?) anons ganged up claiming to have seen a post that was me advertising Mike's services as a psychic that I supposedly put here by accident and deleted. I have NEVER advertised Mike as anything but a cab driver! The
post I made needed a rewrite and more information and I deleted it, thinking wrongly that this game of saying I'd posted something "vile" and deleted it was over. That post they claim they saw never existed. They are liars. The space available had only that one deleted by author.
maybe I am onto something in showing that astral projection doesn't prove reincarnation, chakra existence is not the issue it is opening them that is the issue and should never be done, aliens if they exist are no more credible than any human from anywhere and might be humans from earth thousands of years ago plus genetic modification? The most deadly hits against some key NEw Age idea get the worst attack.
"his woman" the term "lawfully wedded wife" is "lawfully wedded woman."
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