Sunday, October 28, 2012

Earthquakes in divers[e] places AND UPON THE SEA DISTRESS OF NATIONS

My original illustration for this story
And this just in after I published -- an update!

Quoting from the King James Bible, Jesus warned when his disciples asked what should be the signs of his coming and of the end of the world that there would be, inter alia, "earthquakes in divers (many) places AND UPON THE SEA DISTRESS OF NATIONS."

Certainly, we have seen a great deal of "distress of nations" along the various world seas, including but not limited to the 2003 tsunami that violently struck many Asian nations, many Florida hurricanes;  Hurricane Katrina hitting the Gulf Coast and nearly destroying New Orleans in 2005.

Now our prayers need to be with the  projected one third of the United States that is said to be at potential risk from the lethal combination of Hurricane Sandy colliding with a cold front that could bring extreme rain, snow, and flooding to the eastern 1/3 of our country, even posing a potential threat to the Great Lakes region of which my part of the country is classified.

The storms are expected to threaten Massachusetts starting tonight, Sunday, October 27, 2012.  One of our most diligent contributors to our discussion board is Springfield, Massachusetts resident Susanna.  She and her husband faced tornado hazards a year or two ago.  Now they are probably occupied with preparations for this potential regional disaster.

We need to pray, be prepared to extend necessary support and relief supplies for those in this affected area. We also must soberly consider it as a grave "sign of the time."  Just maybe, atheist scoffing not withstanding, God is trying to send us a message -- e.g,  'WAKE UP'!

May the Lord help us all, especially those in these gravely affected areas.  I pray that the storm will turn back to sea or lose intensity.  However, we must always remember that God has the big picture and we the little ones and our most constant prayers should be "Come quickly, Lord Jesus" and "thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done . . ."

Stay tuned!


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just wait till the New Madrid Fault breaks loose.
To Ruth of Exeter:

I read your comments on my last post with great interest. I'm catching up from "older than I used to be" combined with "more recent court than usual" combined with trying to write another book which is going well for me.

I wish I could say I was surprised. Things like that have been said to happen here according to not easily dismissed allegations.

I will check out Mr. Gerrish's work with interest.

Is this 'the October surprise' that has been predicted?

One possible scenario of this Frankenstorm 2012 (or 'the perfect storm'), that's about to hit the East Coast, would be that 60 million people over an 800 mile wide area could be without power long enough to postpone the election.

Also, If anyone out there still doubts that weather can be modified, this is a must see video.

Dr. Ben Livingston ~ The Father of Weaponized Weather
Just Google sink hole Louisiana ... and see the looming disaster there.
HAARP Engineered Frankenstorm Hurricane Sandy Caught on Satellite and Radar

This video reveals satellite and radar captured infrasonic undulation, chemtrails enmass and chemdumping.

WHO is at the helm?

WHY are they doing this?

WHO benefits?

Isn't it funny how the mainstream media with all their coverage of Superstorm Sandy, just couldn't find the time to mention about that 7.7 mag. earthquake in the Queen Charlotte Islands region yesterday? One would've thought this should had the slightest mention given its 60+ aftershocks, or the potential tsunamis to other areas. Check out:

there's been a lot of earthquakes and stuff going on we don't hear about, I am on the Internet and alternative news sites a lot so I do hear about it. Looks like the sea floor is getting rearranged off Indonesia, for one thing.

And a geologist figured that the San Andreas Fault where it comes out of the gulf between Baja California and Mexico is going to take the path of least resistance in being the new edge of a new tectonic plate, and go between CA and NV and up to OR and WA bypassing the old fault line, or being a fork with both.

Supposedly this will happen in a 100,000 years, but I suspect it will be a lot sooner. A guy had a vision or dream of CA split from NV and at least 7 volcanos going off and water pouring between CA and NV. this is possible. A newly discovered fault line is right there.
Christine, Christine,...

"A guy had a vision.." ?

CNBC executive, Kevin Krim's two children murdered one day after CNBC reports $43 trillion bankster lawsuit

FOX News breaking news alert...

HUGE explosion at ConEd in New York City tonight!!!
Video shows a massive explosion at Con-Ed plant on 14th Street in Manhattan (10/29/12 @ 9:41 PM)

Saturday, Oct. 27, 2012

"It will be by their hand that lightening, earthquakes and tsunamis strike"
I'm sorry but the "Warnings Second Coming"
website appears to me like a hoax and a load
of lies, which the people who are publishing it
think that the end justifies the means.
It doesn't.
The main reason I think we might be in the end times, is that in Daniel 12:4 the angel says
"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

this sounds like the past few hundred years. things might indeed run slower than you expect. but it is accelerating.
Daniel 12 is indeed about the time of the end (of this age), the time of greatest distress for Daniel's people, the time of the resurrection of the dead.
... greatest distress to Daniel's people, but that greatest distress is NOT necessarily limited to Daniel's people only
And the end (of this age) is delineated by the (first) resurrection (of the blessed and holy - including Daniel) to honour ... (Rev 20:4,5) ... the rest of the dead all come alive a little after 1000 more years.
Has anyone heard from Susanna since the hurricane struck her region?

Yes, Constance.

Susanna and her husband are both fine. Although they did get wind and rain, the worst of the storm came in to the south of where they live.

To Anonymous 11:45


And thank you for the information on our beloved Susanna!

This new upgraded "type the two words" is beautiful
technicolor, 3D?
Looks cool, Constance.


yes,much more legible!
Constance and everyone, how are you doing? I figure the storm reached some of you.

I fumbled across this interesting site that is a calendar of many of the New Age events for the entire year of 2012 going back to January and the ones to come between now and the end of the year. A couple of the events coming up in December especially caught my attention. There is one conference of the "New Group of World Servers" which I have seen Constance comment on during the last 30 years. I haven't seen an update on that group until now. Another one is with Babara Marx Hubbard on December 22. This calendar even has "Wiccan" events.

This is very interesting. Pagan Chaplain Patrick McCollum was a special guest speaker for the "Awakened World Conference" which was held this past month on October 13-21 in Rome. Notice a picture of him sitting between Ghandi's grandaughter and a spokesman for the Dalai Lama. Very interesting to see an all out open pagan chaplain getting along so well with many other world religious leaders at this conference. Another thing you might find of interest is comments by this Patrick McCollum in some of his own websites. You will find many with him when you put his name into a search engine.
I have noticed lately that many New Age leaders have changed the title "New Age" to "Global New Thought".
Between now and December 21, it's going to be crazy New Age/Mayan nonsense. So, John Rupp...expect all these groups to crawl out of the wood work.
I wonder how many days will pass before the Mayan-end-of-the-world crowd realize nothing cataclysmic is actually going to happen. And...what's next for the websites that are counting down to the "end?"
Dear Constance and Anonymous 11:45 P.M.

Thank you both for your kind words and for your concern.

My husband and I are very grateful to God that we were spared the worst of Hurricane Sandy.

This "superstorm" was a frightful event that spawned at least one microburst which caused significant damage in a town called Wareham near Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

Something like that could very well have happened here. In fact, a large microburst occurred not far from me last year just one week after the tornado struck on June 1, 2011.

This year, we were fortunate enough not to have had to deal with anything worse than heavy winds and rain here in Springfield, Massachusetts and sustained only very minor damage ( i.e. a blown out screen on our porch).

Since this was the worst we had to deal with we have no complaints and we are very happy that our state of Massachusetts is in a position to send help to our neighboring states - especially New York and New Jersey - which bore the brunt of this storm.


By the way, Constance, I hope you are not suffering from the secondary effects of this storm. I heard that they were expected to extend as far north as Canada and as far West as Chicago. The storm was about 900 miles wide.,0,1318035.story

new age crawling out of the woodwork - yeah, they got to scramble to make as much money off the suckers as they can while they can, then sell what's left at discount because the real problem will manifest in a couple of months after Dec. 2012 or something like that.
apropos of the weather, though this isn't from such a storm, just a lot of rain near Seattle WA ad first may load slow but cute
God is love but he is also a God of justice and judgement. America is already under God's judgement for her sins, immorality and disobedience. The fear of the Lord is gone from the hearts of many "professing" Christians.

I am reminded of 2 Chronicles 7:14

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The devil wants so much to destroy America, will we let him?
We must turn to Jesus with a repentant heart.
Bobby, the USA is not a nation that has a national covenant with God. Israel alone has that. The correct analogue of that Chronicles quote for us is "If my people [Christians]... then I will heal their CHURCH."

"A few good men" can greatly change a nation for the better, of course.

Anon 9:54 AM ... taste and see that the Lord is good ... blessed is the man (people) that trust in Him ... Yes all, even now ... we all, in Christ, are invited to ... taste of the powers of the age to come. Baruch HaShem!
Baruch Hashem yes!
Hallelujah !

His mercy endures forever.
Baruch haba B'shem Adonai!
Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord!
Paul and Anon 4:11 ... His mercy is new every morning. Great is His fathfulness. His name is Jesus/Yeshua ... for He WILL SAVE His people from their sins. Oh turn us Lord, and we WILL be turned.
To ALL, especially the last poster before my Susanna inquiry: I did not mean to post the "Ha" that appeared. I tried to type in on a slippery keyboard, "Has anyone . . ." The box slipped away and I had to sign in again. I just now noticed the "Ha" which appeared on the surface to be a laugh at what preceded it -- NOT AT ALL -- it was a simple slip of the keyboard. I'm sorry and I just erased it. I spent a couple of intense days writing a required document due today to the Court and consequently was off line.


To John Rupp:

Thanks for the McCollum Awakened World information. I do my internet radio program twice a week and did two very lively programs Lots of deliciously wicked space for satire there -- no pun intended. You might want to retrieve them from THE MICROEFFECT.COM archives.

I figure the ha was trying to be has
So it was a keyboard, not a Freudian
Well ... we are enjoined to rejoice in the Lord always ... and a merry heart does good like medicine ... and He who sits in the heavens took delight in the laughter of Sarah, even naming her child Isaac. So, not even a typo, is in vain, since you serve the Lord God, dear Constance. Baruch HaShem!
Galatians 3:29

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

The church is the key to the blessings of our nation. God's blessings upon the USA depend upon us - the church. That is why the enemy is plotting against the church. There is growing apostasy in the churches and liberal doctrines taking over. Ordaining homosexual pastors, denying the full authority of Scripture, changing the music, changing the focus of the church to humanitarian pursuits instead of fulfilling the Great Commission.

It also depends upon our nation's treatment of Israel.

Genesis 12:13

"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

Yes, God is slowly removing his hedge of protection around the USA.

Dear Susanna,

Thanks for the update! I will now have to google "microbursts".

I'm thrilled that you are all ok after this enormous regional disaster. Other than a couple of very cold and windy days, we came through ok.


Anon. 1:29:
Agree with much of what you say about the Church in the U.S., but please elaborate on "...changing the music..." Thanks.
Late comer question: Who is Benjamin Fulford? What's up with White Dragon's?
Benjamin Fulford is living in a fantasy land. Same for anyone talking about NESARA. White Dragon Society might indeed be a Chinese Tong or a Japanese Yakuza group some elite ran afoul of, but they are even worse by nature. And they won't solve any problems. Assuming they exist.
It seems the WDS exists and has many 'followers' around the globe. After 'researching some' ... he (Ben) seems to be an other advocate for a type of a 'new age' of 'peace and security/prosperity' ... for all global citizens ... but from what I just read from his writings, Ben seems to think that the Biblical text is just a 'made up' history to gain Rothschild control.
Yes ... caught up in a very heady world of self pride and self deceit ... Ben seems to think it's ok to sleep with his girl friends, be dismissive of his parents and family, (so it won't go well with Ben, neither will he live a long life), and of first importance, he denies his Creator.
However, it may be that his 'win-win for all' message is very enticing to this generation?
his scenario is so crazy I never even got to his message.
changing the music (in church) probably refers to Christian Rock and Roll and other suchlike stuff. A few of these songs are not too bad, and consider the Psalms were probably originally sung to something akin to arabic belly dance music but the content and lifestyle of these "christian" rockers is mostly dubious. A lot of appeal to the flesh in the philosophy. megachurch stuff.
apology to physicist, since you over the other side of The Big Puddle apparently don't use "research" to refer to getting information online or in libraries (a concept regarding the latter of course dating back in my experience to the 1960s) apparently my efforts to get you to dig up information for yourself and accusations of laziness were based on a misunderstanding from a differing use of language.

okay, so try this idea. hunt for information and connect the dots.
That's a very insincere apology Christine.
Yes ... there will be a new age ... but not as the 'new-agers' envision ... Isaiah 11 ... the wolf and the lamb will dwell together ... and the lion will eat grass like an ox.
The problem with people like Ben seems to stem from the lack of ... or the refusal of ... understanding that 'everything created reveals something of its creator'. So, if we blur and reject the obvious, then all we are left with is merely our own, or others, 'fantasy'. We need to be reminded, like Ben, that rebellion and stubbornness is witchcraft and idolatry.
Now we know that the DNA, in each one of our somatic nucleated cells, uncoiled and stretched out end to end, stretches a little over 2 meters. Since we (adults) have, conservatively, 6 trillion somatic nucleated cells, all that DNA stretches from the earth to the sun and back 66.6 round-trip times. But note this also: ALL the 5 carbon sugars in the DNA (deoxyribose) are chiral and ALL are ''right-handed'. And ... ALL the chiral amino acids coded for in the DNA are ALL 'left-handed'. Some very interesting 'computer data' ... don't you think ... but even more, by some very brilliant designer and builder!!!
Oops ... Meant to type above '10 trillion somatic nucleated cells' ... as the 'conservative estimate' for an adult.

Heads up: Google 'We Day'
interesting link about we day, the admission of problems from bankers leaving out specifics, sidestepping the elites and then dithering off into silly solutions. Like defusing the growing public knowledge and hostility about this. The hand logo is just the old boy scout hand sign.

now, given the occult connections of the foundation of the youth in the wilderness type movements, that might be odd in itself. There is a category of witchcraft that uses that hand sign to repel and control entities getting out of control, and it is (unbeknownst to the modern users, but the founders of the branch in Oregon in the 1930s were nominal Christian) a veiled version of the sign of The Trinity, three fingers up (first, second and thumb) and two down (the two natures of Christ, divine and human).

the graphics didn't load on that site, but the we day dance I could locate is like a rap dance, though the leader seems to have his hand near his groin too much, instead of to the side like the others behind him do, when demonstrating how to do it. Sort of like Michael Jackson.
Anon 2:01 pm,
Thank you for the heads up information on this "We Day" movement. It is really worth checking out what they are educating our educators and students with. This is a continuation of educating kids on becoming "Global Citizens". Interesting to see Mikhail Gorbachev promoting this. Here is one of their websites.
The infiltration at present looks very 'deep'. Below is just one site of many that attemys to expose some of the 'multi-links of illumined influence' ... via money especially ... (here especially via 'Moon')
here is a good link on freemasonry

thanks for reminding me about cutting edge ministries.

I see superficially on line that DAVID ICKE has interviewed him. I don't know much about MR. GERRISH, but I am quite well informed on the New Ager DAVID ICKE. I have to question DISCERNMENT on somebody working with ICKE.


I very much DOUBT that our beloved PSALMS were once sung (at least in church and synagogues) to the tune of BELLY DANCE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!

Constance, think middle eastern music, go search that term on youtube, and sample the various kinds.

get a load of the crap coming out of the Vatican. this site, Tom Horn, is not something I recommend to the undiscerning, but sometimes he comes up with good information.

scroll down to the bit about how they might bring better religious information. WTskubala, if it conflicts with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then they are fallen and need evangelizing. why are they more believeable than the usual crew of Gospel deniers from earth?
insincere apology - total submission or nothing? when I'm wrong I'm wrong when I'm right I'm right. I apologize for the accusations that were based on his nonreaction to "research" since he misunderstood the concept thinking it is only done in labs etc. not online and not in libraries, which is exactly what it has always been called research in library on a subject, but he is in Britain and I am in USA.

The demand to do some quality study on information available remains, but I am not going to argue with him anymore. Though he is not lazy etc. I still find his wierd twisting and shifting of ground in arguments quite familiar from my history of dealing with very dishonest people. I am not sure he feels that certain of his positions and doesn't want to face the possibility there is more out there than a university teaches, that some fraud and error may be at the root of a lot of modern science though not all of course.

When he dismissed Constance's worries about Project Blue Beam on the basis that holography is not occult, that was a classic example of either some kind of serious sloppiness or some (whatever motive) dishonesty, because she never said or implied it was occult practice, only that it could be used to promote an occult agenda.

Personally I think Blue Beam is bogus, and unworkable in the unstable environment outdoors. But that was not the argument he made, rather, he pretended she thought it was an occult art which she never said.

In order to know where the limits of science are, you have to know something about it. You don't, and it shows. As for which of us twists words, let people look up what was actually said rather than your summary of it, and decide for themselves.


Hi Constance - in answer to your last comment:
David Icke did interview Brian Gerrish but Brian very definitely does NOT work with him and has never interviewed him in return. Icke was the first to talk about the paedophilia and Satanism of the elite and has been responsible for waking a lot of people up to the political agenda in our country and Brian has to give him credit for that, with the current revelations going on. But he keeps him at arm's length. He even did the interview with Icke standing outside his house, in the English drizzle! which I think speaks volumes...

Brian Gerrish is trying to wake up as wide an audience in the UK as possible to the political realities, though the sad truth is that many of his supporters and followers are themselves New Agers who think they are in opposition to globalisation. We Christian supporters who know that the Luciferian New Age is just the PR arm of Satanism hope that he will soon speak out explictly about the dangers of the said New Age, or New Thought, or whatever alias they are using at the moment.

I don't know if you've heard Brian's interview with Dr Stan Monteith yet - you might be better able to see where he's coming from when he's talking to another Christian.

Anyway, I am aware that you in the US have your plate full already, without checking up on British campaigns. I'm so glad that your book is going well. You are in my prayers. Thank you so much for all you have done, and continue to do. I recommend your work to everyone I know and beyond.
Thank you!
TO CONSTANCE CUMBEY: How rude of you to take up so much space on Christine's blog here. Utterly impertinent of you. What have you got to say for yourself? lol.
Hey anon 12:22, Constance has a very busy practice, and assistants, in such cases, are quite the norm. Constance is constantly faithful and Christine has a very Christ like name, don't you also think?
Hey Anon 3-25, what you got to say for yourself troll?
Constance, here is a video link with snippets of music from different Middle Eastern countries.
Obama re-appointed as U.S. President.
Mitt who?
sad sad sad day for America!!! But we must remember that God knows and is sovereign. We must rest in His decision--even if it's judgment. He will take care of His own.
If same sex marriage is legal, then sodomy
must be okey, and if sodomy is okey then
how long before Bible believing is outlawed ?
Your original comment that the music in the Temple
must have sounded like belly dancing music, was
Citing different types of Middle Eastern music of
today does nothing to justify your original comment.

Your website shows you to be someone who believes
anything and everything that Jeff Rense has up on
his site. UFO's, Morgellons disease, chem trails, nibiru, reptilians, etc etc etc etc etc .
I'm really beginning to think that you are in fact
a disinformation agent and an agent provocateur.
You certainly bring a full dose of confusion to this website.
First you're on your meds, then you're not...
You say that you're a Christian, so everyone here gives you a pass. I'm really rather tired of your
grandiosity. It's one thing to be scatter-brained, but to be self righteousness about it is too much.
You even rearrange your, and other people's, former comments in order to justify some of the ridiculous
things you've said.
You've lost me as someone who will defend you.
You should apply for a job with National Enquirer or Star Magazine.
Paul, I don't put anything on my site I haven't researched carefully. and if you bothered to read any of it instead of skimming the subject list you would see that.

By your logic, the whole subject of globalist new world order totalitarian conspiracy is bunk because there are new agers who are worried about it also (probably because it might interfere with some personal plans of theirs, or as a means of exploiting a bandwagon).

Morgellon's for one, produces thread like things that have been examined chemically and under microscopes. It is very real. Do your research before you blither on.

I used to think floridation worries were nonsense. But there are a lot of doctors and others taking note of problems connected with it.

anyway, I don't need your defense. as for grandiosity look in the mirror. I am not grandiose I say what I think and that after I have looked into something.

I ignored nibiru at first precisely because of the origin of the idea, but you can eliminate Sitchin and Leider et. al., and still have a suspicious situation.

Lately i think the nibiru scenario is wrong, it is the nemesis theory that we should look at (leaving out millions of years), that something that never enters the inner solar system, but is on a tilt and does swing into the Kuyper Belt will send us a lot of asteroids and disrupt all the comfortably calculated and known (for now) orbits or a lot of them of Near Earth Objects, probably already doing it now.

I am sure you did not know, that the Indonesian tsunami a few years ago was immediately preceded by sightings of something very like a meteorite impact in the sea.

To keep public panic out, of course this wasn't mentioned.

Constance has just woke up (like most Americans only noticing wild weather etc. when it his home), but this post of hers could have been written a few years ago.

Did you know the north magnetic pole is headed for Siberia? that is from standard science sources. And the field is weakening. ditto. And the Gulf Stream is near stopped. Check naval temperature maps. That's why England had such a freeze recently.
I rest my case.

Thanks for verifying everything I said.

Since Jesus said great deception would mark our days ... wouldn't this include in ... science, medicine?

We now know, modern physics says, that the moon isn't really there unless someone is looking at it ...and other nonsense like that.
P.S. see

There is indeed a risk of the scenario you mentioned leading to an asteroid impact with earth. In view of certain prophecies in Rev 8 I believe it will happen one day too.

However the undersea earthquake was quite sufficient to account for the Boxing Day of 2004. What is your evidence for the claim that it was caused by an observed meteorite strike?

"the Gulf Stream is near stopped. Check naval temperature maps. That's why England had such a freeze recently."

When would that be, Christine? I live in England and remember some cold spells in the last few winters but heck, winter is winter isn't it? If the Gulf Stream really had stopped then we would be 20 or so degrees down (Centigrade), not one or two.


PS To Anon@9.450am re the Moon: Don't believe everything you read about interpretations of quantum mechanics.
interesting! thanks for the link
Bohr's Atom
In 1913, Niels Bohr proposed a theory of the hydrogen atom (the most simple of all atoms) consisting of one heavy proton in the center with one lighter electron in orbit around the proton. Bohr supposed

That electrons move in circular orbits around the atomic nucleus.
Only certain orbits are permitted.
That in these permitted orbits, the electrons would not radiate (would not create radio waves).
That light of certain colors (and wavelengths) would be created when the electron (of its own power) changed orbits.
These postulates were entirely arbitrary and even violated the established laws of electricity and magnetism. In spite of this, physicists still use the Bohr model (when it is convenient).
Parson's Magneton Theory of the Atom
“By 1915, A. L. Parson knew that the Bohr model of the atom could not be real, so he developed and even experimented on a model of the atom where the electrons were not point-sized particles that orbit around the atomic nucleus. In Parson's atom, the electrons in the shells surrounding the nucleus were rings of charge (with the shape of a toroid or donut). Since the electrostatic charge at the surface of the these rings is rotating, each electron is a tiny magnet. In 1918, Dr. H. Stanley Allen of the University of Edinburgh discussed the arguments in favor of the ring electron, showing how it removed many outstanding difficulties of other theories of the atom. In spite of its superiority, Parson's magneton model of the atom did not become popular (but a modern version, the Lucas model of the atom, has now been introduced).
De Broglie's Model of Matter: Particle-Wave Duality
“About 1924, Louis de Broglie proposed that all particles of matter (from single atoms to large objects) moving at some velocity would have the properties of a wave. Today, most physicists take this farther and say that all material objects actually are waves until they are measured or observed in some way. When this takes place, the wave is said to collapse and turn into an object. An example of this notion of reality is given by the famous Cornell physicist N. David Mermin who says "We now know that moon is demonstrably not there when nobody looks."
obviously, if the moon keeps cropping up as soon as someone looks at it, and doesn't change other than according to observed patterns (phases) then something really IS there to be observed in the first place. so much for fantasy land science ideas.
Thanks Paul. You spoke for me too. Nothing to defend afterall of the verbose "offerings" and are we really surprised?

Christine is pretty much all about "smoke an mirrors". This inquiring mind ain't buying what she's selling............
Christine, your 5:29 a.m. and 9:36 p.m. replies are plain nuts. What are you smoking?
"The earth will groan in pain as the antichrist prepares his entrance."
what are YOU smoking? what makes you think that ancient Hebrew music was any different from the usual Middle Eastern kind of music? take a look at the instruments mentioned in psalms

especially psalm 150.
"obviously, if the moon keeps cropping up as soon as someone looks at it, and doesn't change other than according to observed patterns (phases) then something really IS there to be observed in the first place. so much for fantasy land science ideas."

A pleasure to agree with you Christine. Absolutely right. (This is Physicist.) David Mermin - with whom I have met and personally discussed these things - is one of the best expositors of how to DO quantum mechanics today, and is also a deep thinker about some of its counter-intuitive predictions. But when he adopts an interpretation of its mathematical formalism he talks trash about the moon not being there when nobody looks.

The point is that quantum mechanics was the first physical theory not to have a 1:1 correspondence between every symbol in its equations and things that were held to be real and out there. This meant that the usual 'realist' interpretation of the equations no longer held. The path was open to weird interpretations of the formalism which could not be tested experimentally. The moon stuff is one such. Quantum mechanics also predicts only probabilistically in some circumstances, ie it doesn't say what will happen next time you do an experiment, but only the proportion s of the various possible outcomes in a large number of repeats. The 'moonies' say that to ask what will happen next time you do the experiment is no longer a legitimate question and we have to put up with nature being intrinsically random. I say that it is the charge of scientists to ask just such questions and that any theory which cannot answer it is incomplete. I believe in what are called "hidden variables" which mediate the ourtcome of the experiments. If you don't look for them then you will never stand a chance find them and physics comes grinding to a halt. It is a self-defeating position. Admittedly, since the 1960s, John Bell and others have shown that any hidden variables must have some pretty weird properties, but so what? Physicists are supposed to thrive on hard problems. Personally I believe that the lack of nerve shown is related to the loss of a culture in which everybody believed the Bible was true (even if they showed little personal commitment to its message), and that the universe was intelligible sense of because it was created by someone intelligent in whose image we are.


Bohr introduced his model of the atom to explain the spectrum of the hydrogen atom. It worked brilliantly, but it was not generalisable to multi-electron atoms. Other early attempts to do this just got bogged down, until in the late 1920 Heisenberg and Schrodinger wrote down the correct equations for arbitrary numbers of interacting particles. (Schrodinger's equation was more physically transparent but Heisenberg's math was equivalent to it.) When a lone particle moves in the absence of the field produced by any others, it moves like a plane wave, just like de Broglie said. But Bohr, Parson and de Broglie were all in a sense put out of business by Schrodinger and Heisenberg. Lucas is simply a clever set of rules for dealing with atoms, cleverer than Bohr but still not universally applicable in or out of atoms like Schrodinger.


Yes let's look at Psalm 150.
The trumpet in verse 3 was probably a one key,
four or five note, (no valves), instrument perhaps comparable to our bugle as opposed to our three-valve trumpet.
The psaltry and the harp, being stringed instruments, would have been tuned either to a given key, as in an arpeggio, or tuned to a set of frequency steps, like any one of the Greek modes, of which there were/are seven, or they could have been tuned chromatically and then selectively strummed or plucked or bowed, but no one really knows. At any rate it probably didn't sound anything like our well tempered tuning which didn't come around until the sixteenth or seventeenth century. Perhaps it sounded more like John Cage music, ( polytonal and/or atonal; polyrhythmic and/or arhythmic, but I doubt that too.
Verse 4's timbrel and pipe surely didn't sound anything like a clarinet as in Klezmer music or an oboe or a bassoon...

Why am I playing your game, Christine ? You don't know what you're talking about, but that doesn't slow you down in the least. On the contrary...

The thing about Psalm 150, which you site, is
that God's people need to praise him. Praise him in any and every way that we can. Loudly, with whatever instruments we have.
Praise him and thank him !
Praise the Lord ! is what Psalm 150 tells me.
The best explaination of the 'physics' of ALL created reality is given here: Hebrews 11:3 ... what we measure today, as positive and negative charge in my opinion, is better described by those at common sense science ... than those at quantum electrodynamics ... in physics, medicine, all things, let's not 'throw out the baby with the bath water.'
P.S. all things ... maybe includes Christine :)
first off, the Greek tuning modes wouldn't have been in use though some similarity might exist. Second, do you think these things were played only if at all like they were played in the european middle ages? you admit that much yourself.

there are some psalms that are of such a subject that the music for them would not have been all that bouncy. but when it comes to praise Him with the dance etc. and the use of small drums and stringed instruments, you probably have lively type middle eastern music. Why not?

I don't know what "game" you think I am playing. I don't play games and don't joke around much either.

I am not talking about Kleizmer or oboe the former is a hybrid of many cultures incl. Balkan, and oboe is a deeper tone than was apparently in use.
i can't follow his arguments on the notations or other calculation of the tones in psalms, I am only looking at the kinds of musical instruments in use, which are pretty much what is in any middle eastern band, except they may use larger drums.

I know one thing for sure---the tone coming from Christine is monotonous.
Strange, it seems to me, that the tone against Christine is 'mono tone'. I've had to learn the hard way, not to throw out the baby with the bath water. It's a hard way to learn. We will all be judged just as we judge ... the goal is salvation, but we need to see the 'evil' in our own hearts, if we would come to Yeshua to be saved.
"obviously, if the moon keeps cropping up as soon as someone looks at it, and doesn't change other than according to observed patterns (phases) then something really IS there to be observed in the first place. so much for fantasy land science ideas."

I can almost agree Christine, as long as necessary corrections are made to your point like so:

Obviously, if Christine keeps cropping up as soon as someone looks at Constance's blog, and doesn't change other than according to her obscure perspective (phases) then something really IS there to be ignored in the first place - her comments, repeated so much for fantasy land science ideas.
Ref. 12:01 comment

Guatamala had a 7.4 mag. earthquake today, 11-7-12.

I know I can't divert conversation for all time from the so entertaining and diverting discussion about snippets from Christine's Quirky Encyclopedia Of All Known Information but we just had a major New Age event take place last night.

If you remember back in 2008 a person on this blog gave information on how Obama was supported by major New Age leaders from the Princeton group. Do a search. If you are intelligent enough, you can do it. If not, just skip this and go on to Christine's diversions.

Then look at a link from May 10, 2011 on this blog which described Slaughter's book on a New World Order. She was at Princeton. Read the reviews at Amazon.

It is a repeat of the quick takeover in Nazi Germany and should scare you more than any yammering about physical changes on the earth or musical instruments used in ancient times.

If anyone else reading this knows what I'm talking about, please comment. I find it very lonely not knowing anyone who is looking at the New Age movement seriously.

Now back to Christine's so interesting diversions.
This scenario would effectively eliminate any law and controls while everything is done by a good ol' boy network. The supremacy of the semi secret club of people with shared goals, ways of doing things, incl. what to enforce and what to cover up. The Illuminati's dream of Weishaupt, no govt. just mobs run by opinion shapers themselves illuminist, and this is close to it.

Frankly since accountability and transparency are out the window, I find this more dangerous than up front world government. sort of like some horror story where all the people who are to correct a problem or protect you are part of it.

from the site,
"Anne-Marie Slaughter asks us to completely rethink how we view the political world. It's not a collection of nation states that communicate through presidents, prime ministers, foreign ministers, and the United Nations. Nor is it a clique of NGOs. It is governance through a complex global web of "government networks."

Slaughter provides the most compelling and authoritative description to date of a world in which government officials--police investigators, financial regulators, even judges and legislators--exchange information and coordinate activity across national borders to tackle crime, terrorism, and the routine daily grind of international interactions. National and international judges and regulators can also work closely together to enforce international agreements more effectively than ever before. These networks, which can range from a group of constitutional judges exchanging opinions across borders to more established organizations such as the G8 or the International Association of Insurance Supervisors, make things happen--and they frequently make good things happen. But they are underappreciated and, worse, underused to address the challenges facing the world today.

The modern political world, then, consists of states whose component parts are fast becoming as important as their central leadership. Slaughter not only describes these networks but also sets forth a blueprint for how they can better the world. Despite questions of democratic accountability, this new world order is not one in which some "world government" enforces global dictates. The governments we already have at home are our best hope for tackling the problems we face abroad, in a networked world order."
Christine is an individual with unusual ideas. The internet makes possible all manner of divergent ideas to be presented to a larger audience. It is up to the audience to look seriously at the information. At least in the academic area there are challengers. Unfortunately history shows that people in the general public don't bother to research anything and will just comment on what comes before their eyes.

This blog has become a perfect example of that. Dear people, it really don't matter if you challenge Christine and her strange ideas. It will have no impact on larger events. Things can be changed, but until Constance makes the effort, I don't know how.

If you actually care about the New Age movement and what it is bring about, post your research here where you can interact with someone who knows what you are talking about.

If you are just waiting around hoping Constance will post some new information that will change your world, good luck. She has two feet and two arms and one brain. She is not the only one who is following the movement.
Christine must be sitting on the blog, watching it by the minute, otherwise nothing Slughter wrote would have appeared here.

Skip it Christine. You've had your chance to research the New Age movement and what it is doing to the government and culture.

You'll go back shortly to your disinformation. Frankly whether you are an innocent or an agent, I don't know.

What? No discussions on the election? What's wrong with you people? You're not branding Obama the antichrist right now? Or the nonsense of "socialism won for a 2nd time." What about a win for the New World Order? C'mon. As for the guy who lost...I can't even remember his name now.
you people?
"I can't even remember his name now", has that got something to do with you being old, anon 3:57 PM, or are you breathing the same toxic Illinois, I suspect is being exhaled at 3:54 PM, could a gambler even put Monee on it?

Yours Curiously,

"I can't even remember his name now", has that got something to do with you being old, anon 3:57 PM, or are you breathing the same toxic Illinois fumes that I suspect is being exhaled at 3:54 PM ... could a gambler even put Monee on it?

Yours Curiously,

Here is something from an egroup i am on, a classic example of what NAM causes, and NWO would be happy with, and which can also be viewed as plain heresy and religious indifferentism.

"Yesterday I attended the Dedication of the Bunting Family Interfaith Chapel and the Bunting Family Children's Meditation Room Celebrating Spirituality at The Johns Hopkins Hospital.

Rev. Rhonda Cooper gave the invocation and not once did she mention the word God or his name. Another chaplain addressed God as "Creator" but he also said that we call Him either God, Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, and another name or two. There was a definite emphasis on spirituality and its importance to healing. We also learned a little about the history of the big statue of Christ in the main lobby of the hospital. It was placed there and removed because of some strong opposition to its presence and put back because of even stronger opposition to its removal. "
well, its nice there was such strong opposition to its removal, but that it was removed says something about the people running that chapel.

It is one thing to provide a space for whatever, it is another thing to specifically exclude Christ. And that is the real ballgame.
Guatemala's president says at least 15 are dead after a magnitude 7.4 earthquake strikes off the country's Pacific coast.
This report is a little clearer.

Earthquake Rocks Guatemala City, Mexico
Published November 07, 2012

"The best explaination of the 'physics' of ALL created reality is given here: Hebrews 11:3 ... what we measure today, as positive and negative charge in my opinion, is better described by those at common sense science ... than those at quantum electrodynamics ... in physics, medicine, all things, let's not 'throw out the baby with the bath water.'"

Anon@1.32pm, physical science is all about learning more about "the fixed laws of the earth and the heavens" spoken of in Jeremiah 33:25-6. Quantum electrodynamics successfully predicts the gyromagnetic ratio of the electron to better than one part in a billion. That's good enough for me.


a great blog, some of the false prophecies in the article on Rick Wiles were hilarious, except the subject of false prophecy isn't funny.
Breaking News...

We interrupt Christine to update you on the election results.

In case you've been hiding under a rock, Barack Obama has been re-elected to a second term - winning both the electoral vote and the popular vote.

And now, back to Christine.
It is not wise to mock Christine for her true comment that 'false prophecy isn't funny' ... The fear of the Lord is His treasure. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Great peace have they that love thy law and nothing shall offend them. Yeshua instructs us that offenses will come ... but woe to those who either offend or take offense. Let's also recall, that we must give account even for every word ... and are to overcome evil with good (Rom 12:21 but please see alll of Romans 12)
Heads up to students of modern physics: if it doesn't feel right ... just maybe it isn't. The same demons are decking this naked modern physics principality with fancy flattering words ... but be an honest child and see ... and don't be afraid to say ... but the king is naked. The new age is all about believing a lie as the truth and modern physics is not exempt to the strong delusion God promised to those who reject Him and take pleasure in unrighteousness. Newton feared God. Faraday and Maxwell feared God. Barnes feared God. Yeshua cautions us that when He comes again will He find faith. If we are in the last days now ... should we not expect then, that modern physics is also highly deceived/deceitful ?
Further heads up to all who call Yeshua Lord ... the sad reality in the march to apostasy has been ... it was best advanced by those who claimed to be Christian ... But, were we not forewarned of wolves in sheepskin?

Physics is secular, ie it looks at the laws by which the material world runs, but this does not mean that physics is secular *humanist* or satanic. Physicists who are Christians (or Jews) believe that those laws were ordained by a creator God; physicists who are atheist or pagan believe the laws had some other origin (which, frankly, they struggle to explain). But physics is simply the study of those laws; acknowledge that they exist, and anybody can take part. (NB Jews and Christians are more likely to, as they have grounds to believe that the universe is in principle intelligible to man.)

We physicists simply seek to describe the physical world with ever increasing accuracy as research continues. A body either takes 1 second to fall a certain height to the ground, or 2 seconds (to the nearest second). We do not explicitly invoke God to find out which and we do not need to, any more than you need to invoke God explicitly when you switch on your electric light.

Can you state ONE specific finding of modern physics from the recent era of little faith which you question for that reason? You are making some very general criticisms and you should provide some hard evidence.

"Newton feared God. Faraday and Maxwell feared God. Barnes feared God."

Every physicist learns of the work of Newton, Faraday and Maxwell early on at university. That is bedrock in physics today. Not so Barnes - I'm not even sure who you mean, and I hold a doctorate in physics. I've come across a few papers by people called Barnes, as you would expect given the size of the research community today, and I am familiar with Bishop EW Barnes who gave lectures on physics and Christianity in the Gifford series between the wars, but nobody with any physics training would mention a Barnes in the same breath as Newton, Faraday and Maxwell.

Oh no.
Is Christine now commenting anonymously,
like Dorothy ?
To Anonymous @ 3:11 AM:

Please lighten up, clueless one.

What most people get (and you obviously don't) is that the only thing I am 'mocking' is the fact that Christine completely dominates this blog as if it belonged to her and not to Constance.
Constance hardly posts at all, and has repeatedly said people should use the collapse comment option if they don't want to read something. My posts don't use up a limited amount of space someone else could use, the page just generates another page of posts to use.

your claim of opposing not content but excessive presence is lame.

The MEGA New Madrid Earthquake is Coming Soon

more relevant to the topic of Constance's post
relevant to spent fuel rods, those are NOT all that spent. Seems they have a lot left to them, but in water cooled systems they can't be used up, while in the old liquid sodium system they could be. All nuclear systems should be redone to be liquid sodium cooled, and use up those "spent" rods first. This would recover some of the money spent on the redo. FEMA is worried about the New Madrid Fault, and this video is a sort of tutorial on using google at first.

The new Madrid Fault the sleeping giant incl. description of what happened in the 1800s earthquakes.
Well, Frank,

Just don't let Karl Rove near that money. He wasted $300 million! Besides, is that the best you can do? C'mon, where's the discussion on the significance of Obama's win? You're discussing belly dancing. Since Obama won, who cares if anyone remembers Mitt Romney? In the end, people could tell that he was a king with no clothing.

As for Obama...does this significantly advance the cause of the New Age Movement or not? Do you people even care? Or, are you still interested in discussing belly dancing? C'mon, Paul, you didn't like me calling you "you people." Why? You all complain about Christine. Just let her rant and leave it be. C'mon...discuss the New Age movement.
It was a lose-lose proposition.
Who can get upset now ?
I voted locally and nationally
I lost on more than one front
It doesn't change the powers that be.

At lest with Obama we know what we've got;
a Socialist Freemason.
With Romney it would have been
a Mormon Freemason.
Here is what Donald Marshall is saying:

Q)hey do u know who the illuminati chose to be the next president before everyone else or did they not tell you that?

A)Donald Marshall:Obama and Romney are both members of the Illuminati/NWO as is Clinton as is Paul. all candidates are members, each election.

Q)What about Ron Paul?

A)Donald Marshall:all candidates. illuminati never loses the election.

Read more:
Christine, using up the nuclear fuel is not about what coolant is used, it's about what nuclear reaction takes place. Some reactions generate faster neutrons and are better cooled with different coolants, that's why there's a correlation between coolant and fuel usage. For more, look up "breeder reactors" on Wikipedia.

that is not the way the experts discussing the problems about Fukushima and why those stored rods are dangerous put it. Now I am back to ignoring you.
Here is what Donald Marshall has to say about it:

Donald Marshall:................ Kim was responsible for the tidal wave that hit the Fukushima nuclear plant,... Korea and Japan have been enemies for like 1000 years or more and before the "mental" Kim Jung Il died, he wanted to leave his mark. He exploded a nuke below the sea floor and intentionally caused the tidal wave knowing it would mess up the nuclear plant... THEN, the next time he was at the cloning center, the Illuminati/NWO were furious, they had not all sanctioned the attack and Kim said he did not care... They made Kim have an aneurysm then... and allowed his son Kim whatever to take over...

Read more:
Donald Marshall:................ Kim was responsible for the tidal wave that hit the Fukushima nuclear plant,... Korea and Japan have been enemies for like 1000 years or more and before the "mental" Kim Jung Il died, he wanted to leave his mark. He exploded a nuke below the sea floor and intentionally caused the tidal wave knowing it would mess up the nuclear plant... THEN, the next time he was at the cloning center, the Illuminati/NWO were furious, they had not all sanctioned the attack and Kim said he did not care... They made Kim have an aneurysm then... and allowed his son Kim whatever to take over...

Read more:
Christine, the Fukushima people you saw are probably dumbing down the explanation for the general public because it is not necessary to go into the details that I explained just above. There is no disagreement between them and what I say, just that they go into more detail in some areas and me in others. Feel free not to take my word for it - check "breeder reactor" on Wikipedia.



Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Christine @ 12:19 PM -
Re: "Your claim of opposing not content but excessive presence is lame."

Well, 'lame' to you maybe - but you do not speak for others on this blog!!!

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Chakras and reptiles and vampires oh my!

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Chakras and reptiles and vampires oh my!

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Chakras and reptiles and vampires oh my!


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The struck a nerve dance
More like the Sycophantic Shuffle
This is interesting... Occupy doing something genuinely useful:
Do you remember when we were hearing rumors, a couple of months ago, that an 'October surprise' could change the outcome of the election?

Hurricane Sandy hit the East Coast on October 29th. Up until then, Romney clearly had achieved momentum, as his poll numbers were higher than Obama's. After the mega-storm, all of that changed.

Here is a link to an article from October 26th: "Hurricane Sandy Divine Wind For Obama."


Dr. Ben Livingston ~ The Father of Weaponized Weather

Hurricane Sandy actually served a two-fold purpose:

1) By controlling the outcome of the presidential election in favor of Obama.

2) By convincing the masses that this was a natural disaster caused by global warming, it helped push the carbon tax agenda.
We don't know how to do that, remember the butterfly effect that makes the weather so unpredictable? Plus the fact that a typical hurricane releases the same amount of energy as a 10-megaton nuke every 20 minutes (see ); there is no known way to inject that amount of energy into the atmosphere, and even if you could then it would be absolutely impossible to do clandestinely. This is typical Alex Jones sloppiness, extrapolating wildly from what can and has been done to what is impossible if you understand the science.

If you really want an electoral conspiracy, it's called the Benghazi cover-up and took place involving the liberal media and the State Department.


I strongly disagree. We DO know how to do that....

Scientific research has demonstrated that the ionosphere plays an important role in hurricane dynamics.

Dr. Nick Begich and Jeane Manning are experts on HAARP and its military application. “Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope; antenna send out signals instead of receiving. HAARP is the test run for a super-powerful radiowave-beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto earth and penetrate everything — living and dead,” they explain.

The U.S. government admits electromagnetic manipulation of weather is a reality. In 1996, during a Department of Defense news briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen said governments can “alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.”

On a less grand scale, scientist in have worked to create rain in Abu Dhabi’s Al Ain region using giant ionizers.

The Pentagon’s HAARP, or High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, is not required to modify and direct hurricanes, however.

As weather modification expert Ben Livingston, who has a degree in cloud physics from the Naval Weapons Center and Navy Post Graduate School in California has stated that hurricane behavior can be modified by seeding clouds with silver iodide. The University of Colorado and others have published reports on the effectiveness of cloud seeding.

Ben Livingston “seeded clouds and dramatically increased rainfall in his theater of war, creating impassably muddy roads, slowing down the Vietnamese and Korean troops, and saving lives and entire towns from occupation.”
Have you googled Begich and Manning? The former is not a trained scientist and the latter publishes books about free energy but never produces a DEVICE that accomplishes it - it's always just round the corner and stopped by THEM. Both are hung up on HAARP, but the energy it pumps out is (1) a negligible fraction of that involved in a hurricane; (2) not suited to *systematic* alteration of the weather; (3) dissipated to almost nothingness by the inverse square law by the time it gets from Alaska to where hurricane Sandy was born.

Cohen was badly briefed. I admit to some surprise at that statement, but it is false. If you want to set of a volcano or earthquake, drop a giant nuke into the cone of the fault; electromagnetic waves can't do it. As for cloud seeding, it works only if there is already cloud - you can release as much silver iodide as you like into a dry atmosphere and it will simply fall to the ground.

"Electromagnetic waves then bounce back [from the ionosphere] onto earth and penetrate everything — living and dead." Yup. It's happening to you and me right now, with radio waves from over-the-horizon radio stations. Feels terrible doesn't it?


Typo alert: that should be "If you want to set off a volcano or earthquake, drop a giant nuke into the cone or the fault"

What no dismissing of Ben Livingston, too?

He was an advisor to both LBJ and the Joint Chiefs of Staff back in the 1960's.

That was at a time when 'cloud seeding' was used (for good rather than for evil) during the Vietnam War to slow down the advance of the Communist North Vietnamese.

What's ironic is that everyone on this blog agrees that the main goal and agenda of the New World Order Global Elite is to reduce the world population down to 500 million people.

There are many ways to achieve this goal - including wars, Eugenics, the slow poisoning of our air, water and food, and also weather modification.

I didn't watch the clip through. I didn't need to. As far as I got, there was no reason to doubt what Ben Livingston was saying. Seeding existing clouds in a region of high humidity is going to make a difference, although you cannot influence the direction of a cloud - if you want it to rain at point X then the cloud has to be heading for point X and to be seeded to the right extent at the right times, and even then it will only be possible if there is enough water vapour around.

War and eugenics are evils alright. But large scale weather modification of the hurricane Sandy sort is a myth. And food, water and air are fundamental to health. If they are so terrible, how come Americans are living longer than ever before provided only that they take reasonable amounts of exercise?

There is quite enough to be scared about in the economy and the consequences of family breakdown, without adding needless scares.

'Needless scare tactics'?

Try telling that to all of us thousands of suffering people on the East Coast (our lives have been changed forever!) who have NEVER seen anything like what happened to us on October 29th!

Evidently, some people either find it more comfortable (or just prefer to remain in denial) rather than deal with the very real possibiity that weather modification can acually be used for evil purposes.

Slick rhetorical trick, implying that I am without compassion for victims of Sandy when I am saying only that this was a natural disaster not arranged by human agency.

Before you talk about denial, please learn some meteorological physics. Then you will have an understanding of what can and can't be done and why.


Physicist @ 5:54 PM

Just because you say that it can't be done....doesn't mean that it can't be done!

I believe that as time goes by, you will be proven wrong about this.
As seen on the History Channel (Video posted November 14, 2009)

"HAARP WEATHER CONTROL could be part of NWO DEPOPULATION PLAN, here's the science."

this site is a bit sensationalistic, but they cite legitimate sources.
Today Michael Medved interviewed Barbara Thompson on his syndicated radio show. She is a tenured professor from Florida who wrote "The Gospel According to Apostle Barack: In Search of a More Perfect Political Union as Heaven Here on Earth.

"The book’s thesis is that Obama is not just the 43rd president of the United States. Much more than that, he’s an apostle akin to Martin Luther King, Jr. or even Jesus Christ." Check out the story on the internet.

The last caller was cut off quite quickly. Before he was cut off he said he was an expert on the occult and New Age and testified on it in court. He mentioned by name that Constance Cumbey wrote a book called A Planned Deception.

Does anyone know who that caller could be?


Yes, anybody can be wrong including me. But is a professional physicist less or more likely to be wrong about matters of physics; and why?

I too am content to let time be the judge.

President Barack Obama reduced to tears

Long Valley Caldera in CA might be ready to blow. BTW any major emergency can be used as an excuse for martial law and Continuity of Government plans to kick in, research the latter online. Plans to suspend the Constitution. suspension to end when? The Onion parodied this sort of thing with a hilarious speech of a non existent congressman asking for amounts of money (the amount classified) and all sorts of stuff in the bill couldn't be read because "classified" and ended with a new Bill of Rights to be voted on by "classified."
Rev. Robert Schuller 'confused and forgetful' in testimony against Crystal Cathedral...
Petraeus Denial Implicates Obama on Benghazi

From Breitbart (October 26, 2012)

Central Intelligence Agency director David Petraeus has emphatically denied that he or anyone else at the CIA refused assistance to the former Navy SEALs who requested it three times as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on the night of Sep. 11.

The Weekly Standard and ABC News report that Petraeus's denial effectively implicates President Barack Obama, since a refusal to
assist "would have been a presidential decision."
Is this why CIA chief (Petraeus really resigned?

Gun running to jihadists could dwarf 'Fast and Furious' scandal

gun running to jihadists - you mean you didn't know we practically invented them in the first place? Russia was lured into invading Afghanistan then we build up the jihad crew to drive them out. the Taliban element took over and were inconventient because they shut down opium production which we needed to finance all kinds of stuff. So they were driven down and out sort of, and finally they got corrupted and turned to opium sales to finance themselves.

meanwhile, the jihadis we trained started turning up everywhere - oops, blowback.

Meanwhile Bush and bin Laden families were in each other's pockets with Haliburton etc. and big gains in the long run from 9-11.

Al Qaeda has been armed by us to fight Assad. the game is, take down Syria then Iran. Oops, Russia ia backing both and China also backs Iran.

Constance notices wild weather, this has been going on all over the world for a while now.

meanwhile, check wikipedia. the Richter Scale has been upgraded, not one to one like some say but close to it, so next you wonder how come a 4.0 did so much damage it is really a 5.0. Is this perhaps an effort to keep the public from panic?
Radio talk show host John Baxter told CNBC’s Larry Kudlow the step-down may be part of a deal made by Petraeus to avoid testifying before a closed-door session of the Senate Intelligence Committee next week about the CIA’s role in the September 11 assault on the diplomatic facility and a CIA annex in Benghazi.

The House Intelligence Committee has also scheduled a hearing to grill Petraeus and National Counter terrorism Center Director Matt Olsen.

The chairman of the House committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, has vehemently criticized the Obama administration for its role in the attack that left ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans dead.

“Benghazi is not about Libya, Benghazi is about the policy of the Obama administration to involve the United States without clarity to the American people, not only in Libya but throughout the whole of the Arab world now in turmoil,” Baxter told Kudlow. “Benghazi is about the NSC directing an operation that is perhaps shadowy, perhaps a presidential finding, perhaps doesn’t, that takes arms and men and puts them into Syria in the guise of the Free Syria Army.”

according to both Lindsey Williams who had two close friends who were big oil insiders, and a general in an interview on TV, there was a plan many years ago to take down various monarchies and secular Arab regimes and this is what is being attempted. It looks like it is going to be stymied by Russia and China, a lot of influential people are realizing the US may have bitten off more than it can chew, or may be about to do so.

I repeat, the best case scenario is that such a war stays regional, but it is far more likely to result in someone taking it home to the aggressor to solve the problem once and for all - nuke USA and some of the main drivers among the EU.

The most devastating attack would not be standard nuclear. It would be a few thermonuclear bombs set off real high up, you might not even notice them but you would sure notice the electromagnetic pulse results the whole power grid would be down, circuits fried beyond repair in all the stuff we rely on, and in the following months millions of Americans dead of the infrastructure total failure effects.

truck and car electronics fail - no food transport. Those water systems not gravity fed but electro pumped? forget it. no fuel. no heat. no communications. first responders? they would have to hike over to the situations.

Since this would be a bad scene if you want to move in and use the infrastructure, we would be better off if the goal was to invade and occupy. Then some nukes used normally followed by massive invasions.

So, start studying preparedness and Russian and Chinese and how to get along with these cultures.

Please don't act as the resident Alex Jones. There is a mix of truth and falsehood in your comments. Without question the USA armed Islamic fundamentalists to fight against Soviet forces and their proxies in some parts of the world. Whether in retrospect that was good policy is unclear, but it is a fact all too seldom stated. What is nonsense is that the Soviet Union was 'lured' into invading Afghanistan. Soviet communism was a thoroughly aggressive entity with its own coherent if evil ideology, and it played the domino game with considerable success. 1979 was simply the next domino. But there are no winners in Afghanistan - in the last 150 years they have seen off the British Empire, the Soviet Empire and will soon see off the USA. That is due partly to the terrain, but it is still a mighty impressive achievement. You wouldn't want to live among those people though.

You also need to understand the difference and the falling-out there between the Mujaheddin and the Taliban.

I do not believe that there is any clandestine US plan to take down the Saudi monarchy, which is the one that counts.

Don't write as if Islam is a bit player that can be manipulated at will by a shadowy elite. Islam has its own highly aggressive agenda and has oil money to fund it. There are more hats in this ring than are sometimes realised.

Finally a personal question, triggered by the way you write about these things: Would you be glad to see America laid low?
sure the USSR was aggressive, but Brzynsky (sp?) bragged of having lured them in. No Islam is NOT a bit player. Yes, Saudi monarchy is on the hit list eventually. I could have come up with all this without ever having heard of Alex Jones. I don't agree with his take on some things. (I am not called politically unclassifiable for nothing, also he sometimes jumps to conclusions.)

no I wouldn't enjoy living through the take down of America, but it is inevitable for two reasons. First, our sins are piling up. Second, all empires fall sooner or later, which is not entirely unrelated to the first since God repeatedly speaks of bringing the high down.

My focus is preparedness to deal with whatever. Consider Jeremiah, I am sure he and Daniel both were viewed as collaborators by some. I am NOT claiming prophet status. I am simply drawing conclusions of likely scenarios and how to properly behave to be godly and do okay in that order of importance when our time comes, and it may be coming soon.

Sure there is some illuminati or generic illuminati plan to ultimately destroy USA as democracy presence, but God has His own agenda and has used His enemies to accomplish His goals. Read through The Bible and see.

There is nothing inherently sacred about the USA or any nation.

If we don't back off the escapades in the Middle East we may be facing our takedown.

"sure the USSR was aggressive, but Brzynsky (sp?) bragged of having lured them in."

Let's have the quote and its context.

you can read several articles dealing with this.

by the way, you can't lure someone into invading some place if they are not aggressive to begin with.
Christine, your methodology is lazy and sloppy. You made a claim based on a quote, I asked for the quote and its source, and in response you paste in google's response to a very vague set of search parameters.

On these occasions you generally retreat by using the trick of saying "if you are so interested then go google it yourself." No - you made the claim, you gave the quote, you cite the source. What would a university tutor who criticised a student for failing to check sources say if the student responded "go find it yourself"?

"by the way, you can't lure someone into invading some place if they are not aggressive to begin with."

I couldn't agree more. What has that to do with the matter at issue of whether the USSR was or was not lured?

a quick glance at that google page would have given you what you wanted, but here you go from that same search and no it is NOT vague at all.

as for whether USSR was or was not lured, my point about being aggressive was to clarify that I am under no illusions about their aggressiveness.

but you have to realize that there has been a big chessboard game going on for a long time, which has nothing to do with morals or high values or anything like that. To some extent, we took up vs. USSR where Britain left off vs. Tsarist Russia.

here's another link.

and get ahold of CIA AND THE POLITICS OF HEROIN also get ahold of THE SECRET TEAM by Prouty, both should be available in pdf somewhere I know the latter is.
It may have already been mentioned here but if it hasn't, here goes! The Sandy Super Storm (SSS) hit at 8pm (they say) on 29th October, 2012. Barack Hussein Obama ran a 30 minute (600+600+600 secs) infomercial on 29th October 2008. Some say that this event, 4years to the minute before Sandy, is the covenant with the many for one '7'spoken of in Daniel 9:27.
However, if 29th Oct, 2008 was the beginning of the last 7 years then the mid-point would have been April 11th,2012. Did God mark this day with the ONLY two earthquakes over 8 on the Richter scale up till then?
Read more here -

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
-Psalm 9:17

Brzezinski was playing brinkmanship, the Soviets responded by going in, and Brzezinski then aimed to turn it (quite successfully) into their Vietnam. That is what was going on in people's heads in real time, and while events can be interpreted in the light of history there was no question of 'luring' the Soviets in. Don't mislead.

Brzezinski's views on Islam are extremely foolish, although that is a separate issue.

"you have to realize that there has been a big chessboard game going on for a long time"

When I seek to educate myself, your writings are not the first place to which I turn.

"Brzezinski was playing brinkmanship, the Soviets responded by going in, and Brzezinski then aimed to turn it (quite successfully) into their Vietnam. "

you just admitted what your post denies.
Dear 7:53 a.m., Does the Bible say mid-point or in the midst? Which does not have to play out as an exact middle but somewhere in a scenario,in the "midst",perhaps?
If you are looking for the Rapture, The Bible says in II Thessalonians that Jesus will NOT come back until AFTER the antichrist has appeared "been revealed" I think is the phrase, so forget about being airlifted to safety. We are not appointed to the wrath of God, but that has historically never meant we didn't sometimes face tribulations that come from God's enemy.

Noah was brought through The Flood not out of it except in the narrow sense of being out of the water in a boat.
Me: Brzezinski was playing brinkmanship, the Soviets responded by going in, and Brzezinski then aimed to turn it (quite successfully) into their Vietnam.

Christine: you just admitted what your post denies.

My response: I was contending your claim that the Soviets were LURED into Afghanistan. The interview with Brzezinski shows clearly that that was not his *intention*, but something he was willing to countenance as part of brinkmanship. "Lured" implies intent. I hope this is now clear.

Strong quake strikes Burma; up to 12 feared dead

4.3 Magnitude Earthquake Rattles Kentucky - Seven Other States
his intent was to get them into a bind one sort or another. it is very unlikely he could not predict Afghanistan.

And playing these games was the utmost in irresponsibility. On the one hand, brinkmanship can go over the brink. On the other hand, look at all the harm done to people.

When I saw Alien Vs. Predator Requiem, when the monsters explode out of the sewer system and start tearing up the street and buildings going after each other, all I could think about was how this must have been what it was like for the average person in Viet Nam, and of course Afghanistan, having a couple of monsters (USA and USSR) going off on each other in the other peoples' back yards.

morals and compassion have been severely lacking on both sides.

now, earthquakes. while some argue we are better at noticing them now, this strikes me as a bit weak. Also, the Richter Scale often referred to is not actually the scale in use, effectively the Richter Scale has been nudged down a notch (though not one to one in all levels as some say) according to wikipedia.

So next time you hear of a 5.0 quake, read 6.0.

This is done of course with a good excuse about it measures things differently, because of different scientific and physical parameters, blah blah. Of course it does. It wouldn't exist if it didn't.

however.....this is a damn good way to keep the public in the dark and not panicking.

things do seem to be getting worse.
There seems to be an ongoing discussion among historians as to whether Hitler was directly involved in the occult. This impacts directly on how involved the Nazi movement was with the New Age movement which has a strong occult component. Personally I am convinced Hitler worked directly with those involved with the occult movements of the time.

Recently I picked up a book called Hitler's Private Library,The Books That Shaped His Life by Timothy Ryback. (Hitler spent much time reading.) It pulls together titles of books Hitler owned which were stored in many different places.

Ryback writes about some occult books which crossed Hitler's path. One in particular was emphasized by Hitler through 66 different marks in the margins, an unusual practice on Hitler's part.

Magic, History-Theory-Practice was written in 1923 by Dr. Ernst Schertel. It was given by the author to Hitler J. H. Kelly had it translated. It is no pop book. It is quite deep and fits in with other heavy occult books I've come across.

If you go to (catalog of the universal mind), you will find a list of some of the things that Hitler marked off in the book and which appear on the back cover of the book. The book doesn't deal with names, but rather with theory. Don't expect an easy read if you get it in one way or another.
"his intent was to get them into a bind one sort or another. it is very unlikely he could not predict Afghanistan."

By "predict Afghanistan" do you mean predict the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan or predict a Soviet invasion followed by a bogging-down of them?

You have already changed *your* view by saying his intent was to get them in a bind one way or another. You started by making the erroneous statement that his intention was specifically to lure them into invading Afghanistan.

"playing these games was the utmost in irresponsibility"

Brinkmanship is simply hi-stakes diplomacy. It is Washington's responsibility to involve itself in diplomacy and sometimes to see if the other side is bluffing. If you don't do that then you end up rolling over at every threat whether credible or not, to your nation's detriment. It is well that you do not negotiate on behalf of the USA. My objection to US policy in Afghanistan, then and now, is not its intent but its disastrous miscalculation regarding Islam.


Welcome to the Age of Obama — the Age of Aquarius

By Clash Daily / 10 November 2012 / 1 comment

by Loretta Baughan
Clash Daily Guest Contributor

Media and political pundits have been burning up the airwaves and spilling a lot of ink since Tuesday’s election trying to explain and point the finger of blame as to why Republicans failed to win the White House. Although some valid points have been raised, most analysts are entirely missing the big picture.

It began with the counterculture war on God, Mom and apple pie in the sixties and seventies. A tied-dyed rebellion against mainstream society waged mainly by young, white, middle class hippies and fueled by psychedelic drugs. It was about eliminating social and religious taboos. The dawning of the Age of Aquarius wasn’t just a catchy anthem, but its utopian social justice lyrics were actually taken seriously by these bell bottomed, anti-establishment freaks as a call to usher in a New Age. (more at the link)

Truth appears in that column. People should save it to remind themselves of the harm done by followers of New Age rather than allow themselves to be distracted by all kinds of distracting information.
Anon@9:43 a.m.

This article is good, except the argument that conservatives can save the day by their economic policies.

Have we learnt nothing that politicians simply are not going to bring in cultural change?

Obama used community organizers, so basically a grassroots movement that reached out to people.

Social conservatives should do the same, instead of relying on politicians who have let us down.

For example, 40 days for life has changed more hearts and minds than a single politician.

God is not a Republican or Democrat, time to move beyond them.

Change the culture with your life and start at home.

Stop relying on politicians, on both sides who will eventually give into pressure.


Loretta Baughan has written several other interesting columns. Here's one of them from her website:
Changing Society Through the Minds of Our Next Generation by Loretta Baughan
Savvy, the left reaches out through many different organizations. That's why it has a following. Sitting home and living a moral life works on an individual level, but not on any large scale. There aren't enough people who would read your words to make any kind of difference. If there wasn't a tea party movement where people networked with others to promote the social conservative agenda, things would be moving even faster. By the way, where you got the idea the column was pushing economic policies is beyond me. You really should go back and read the entire thing.
Religious people should push so their freedom of speech is not taken away. Here's a link to a story that says that.
Community View: 'Biblical people' deserve free-speech rights, too

It was implied that radical Capitalism is better than radical Socialism.

The left no longer runs on "community", but in fact on radical individualism that they learnt from the conservatives. It's now all about legislating their morality or lack of it as "rights"

The Tea party reaches out to Fiscal conservatives who are mostly white.

They leave out social conservatives among other groups.

A lot of the blacks and hispanics who voted for Obama are pro-life and pro-family.

The Republicans were just not reaching out to them. They spent on their time on anti-Obama conspiracy theories and their stupidity cost them the election.

I am sorry, but this is a fact.

How come no one ever told me that all those
gods of the Sumerians, Egyptians, Babylonians,
Medo-Persians, Assyrians, and all the gods of the Chinese and the Japanese; the gods of India,
the Norse gods, and no doubt the gods of the Aztecs , Incas and Mayan's as well as the multitude of tribes in North America, and all those Australian, New Zealand gods, were ALL, originally, men and women who lived and died.
Every one you can think of was known to the early Church fathers as having a known gravesite,
whether it was a shrine or a monument.
Almost all of these grave sites were recorded in books which are now lost.
Every one of them; Zeus, Baal, Venus, Mars, Neptune, Saturn, Ammon Ra, Isis, etc etc ...
Not only are they not God(s), they were all nothing more than humans, and dead ones at that.
What a waste of time to worship them !

However, there is one God.
He is the Lord. The Lord is his name.
He is that God of Noah.
He is that God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
He is the God of Moses
He is the God of King David.
He sent a number of Prophets, but
the people killed them one after another,
and went back to worshipping idols, which
were nothing more than dead heroes.

So, He sent his only begotten son
into the world to save anyone in the world
who believes in Him, and He sent him to
eventually judge the world with righteous judgement. That is coming soon.
His son's name is Jesus. Yashua in the
Hebrew tongue.
He is one with God.
He is the image of the invisible God.
All power is given to him.
He sits at the right hand of God.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
Conservatives need to realize that Age of Aquarius is about pansexuality, more than it's about big government.

This is a growth industry with gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transgender, intersex, two-spirited, questioning etc.

They use bullying and emotional blackmail to win people over with things like, "if you do not approve of my practises, you are a bigot, you want me dead."

The Episcopal church in the U.S. has already embraced pansexuality.

The Church of England has not, but the new head has indicating that he is open to taking these groups concerns into consideration.

New Archbishop Justin Welby pledges re-think on gay relationships

We are seeing a different Gospel and even a different God emerging.

What's more they are marching globally.

The document titled the Yogyakarta Principles could be called the Magna Charta of the sexual rights movement.

It was created by a team of self-proclaimed experts in international law, including nine UN Special Rapporteurs. The document purports to summarize international rights relating to sexual orientation and gender identity.

It says sexual rights trump religious liberty and free speech rights.

Savvy, how many tea party meetings have you gone to in the US. Don't believe everything you are told up there in Canada about conservatives in the US. I've gone to many meetings and have followed the movement in the US. Putting it bluntly, you are wrong. If anything, tea parties are about teaching what the government should be. Independents on the internet wrote the anti-Obama articles. The Republican party has tried to take the tea parties over, but it hasn't worked. Tea party people did the street work for social conservatives. By the way, the Catholics voted for Obama as did the Jews. Not tea party people. If you can't get Catholics to vote a moral line, where do you think the people are going to come from.

You are right though in that the Republican establishment was afraid to show up a socially conservative. They pushed Romney who wasn't anywhere near social conservative and in fact had a background that was very liberal. They thought this way they could get Democrats to vote for him and con the social conservatives. It didn't work. If the figures are right, some 3 million Republican voters didn't show up for this election.

If you think the article implied what you say it did, it's in your way of wanting to see things and not in what is occurring.

Internationally countries have changed their values because of the New Age movement. The parties are just going along with what they see as the base values of their followers. The article is right. You are wrong.
Anonymous 12:48. The New Age movement is very big on the governmental level. Check out a book called A New World Order by Anne Marie Slaughter of Princeton. One world government and all that.

The things you mention are part of changing the culture in all countries so that they can all be blended into this one world government. It's why there is such a battle against Christianity and Judaism. They want the sense of morality to come from the government.

They've been at this since the early 1900s one document after another. Check out the first Humanist Manifesto which came out in the 1930s. See who signed it. Check out the second one in the 1970s and see who signed it. Because they support each other and the linked organizations, they have extreme patience that they will reach their goals.

By the way, your link didn't work. I checked out the Principles on another site.
"According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap…. The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter “We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War.”"

this shows intent. or at least hope.

no I have not changed my position at all. there is no difference between entering Afghanistan and being bogged down in it. Not to anyone with the historical reference frame someone with B.'s education and focus (or someone who collects oddball trivia and patterns in history I stumble on while interested in other stuff and remember).

I didn't realize you didn't know that Afghanistan has been the bogdown of empires for a long time. Britain couldn't handle it, I stumbled on that researching Arab horse pedigrees the stallion Dwarka was himself given The Kandahar Star for his performance as a war horse, I think Alexander the Great didn't get far into it, and any densely mountainous place is a nightmare for invaders tactically.

rule number one. do not get into a land war in Asia. rule number two. do not get into a war in Afghanistan. period.

now as for high stakes diplomacy, there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. And one of those ways has to do with decency. the puppet govt. in Afghanistan could only make for some improvement for the people, and should have been left alone. The Russians were educating girls and the king had ordered that the Buzkashi games be changed as follows, deviating from centuries of tradition:
playing field not over 1 mile or was it a half mile. no barbed wire, knives or guns to be brought onto the field by players. (In Buzkashi a dead goat or calf is picked up and taken from one end of the field to the other or maybe it is and back again, I forget. The rival players and any number of teams can be on the field, must try to get the dead animal from the team that has it and take it the length of the field. This is on horseback. Obviously a distant relative of the game of polo.)

Probably other improvements i don't know about.

Afghanistan has no strategic value worth a dime, the only religion likely to get undermined is islam which shouldn't matter to a theoretically Christian government like ours, and we
bogged our own damn selves down in Viet Nam with the fake Gulf of Tonkin incident, now admitted in declassified documents to have NEVER HAPPENED.

The Cold War was partly a fraud run by the military industrial complex to make money and the Nazi elements on both sides of the iron curtain.

Containment was decided on instead of rollback by precisely the most pro nazi and porkbarrel profiteer connected elements like McCloy.

diplomacy? once stuck with containment I would have run things differently and probably with better results sooner - of course, I would have been assassinated or fired in the real world. JFK only managed that nuclear Cuba thing by backchannel communications with Kruschev on the shared ground that neither wanted nuclear holocaust (not to mention the aftermath). That is not the kind of premise that brinkmanship works on.
anonymous re Hitler, get that information you just posted out there on every forum and on usenet aka google groups, that deals with the debate. Hitler is still cited as a Catholic in a recent post I read somewhere.
Yes, Paul...


Savvy 11:56 AM

Living in Canada, you are probably receiving more of a slanted view as to the reasons why the election turned out the way it did.

Many people here feel that if Obama had not been the incumbent, it would have been much easier for Romney to have won.

Anon@1:20 p.m.

50% of Catholics voted for Obama, 70% of Jews did. They have a religion it's called liberalism.

They are both stupid, for voting for the most anti-semitic/anti-catholic President in American history.

You are right that Romney was a weak candidate.

But, only something drastic will wake the two groups up.


Anon@6:04 p.m.

You are right. I was not aware that 3 million people did not vote.


"I didn't realize you didn't know that Afghanistan has been the bogdown of empires for a long time."

What is your basis for that inference? In fact I wrote above that "in the last 150 years they have seen off the British Empire, the Soviet Empire and will soon see off the USA". Admittedly you could not be certain that I was the same Anon who wrote that, but you made an assumption that I wasn't, and it was wrong.

Re intent, it seems that you are unable to understand the difference between deliberate purpose in setting up a situation and and exploitation of a situation that has arisen partly as a result of your actions. People may read what you wrote and decide for themselves.

Hitler is cited as a Catholic because he was baptized as one. That was enough, just 38 years earlier, for the Pope to order a Jewish boy, Edgardo Mortara, to be forcibly and permanently kidnapped from his parents in Bologna after their Catholic maid told a local priest that she had clandestinely baptized him when he was seriously ill. The same church regulations which called for that were still in force throughout Hitler's lifetime Rome wants it both ways.

"The same church regulations which called for that were still in force throughout Hitler's lifetime Rome wants it both ways."

The Catholic bashers are out of closet..

What are these church regulations BTW?
Answer to 7:00 PM: A document dated 23/10/1946 from French church archives was published this century in Corriere della Sera containing papal instructions that the Catholic church in postwar France was to return Jewish children to their parents (if the latter had survived) provided the child had not been baptised. Canon Laws 868 (subsection 2) on baptism, and 98 (subsection 2) on episcopal authority, still imply the same today.
Anon@7:73 p.m.

Do you have a link to this document, because Canon Laws 868 of Article 2 has nothing to do with baptism.

It's about departure from an religious institute.

And Canon 98, 2 has this to say,

§2 "In the exercise of rights a minor remains subject to parents or guardians, except for those matters in which by divine or by canon law minors are exempt from such authority. In regard to the appointment of guardians and the determination of their powers, the provisions of civil law are to be observed, unless it is otherwise provided in canon law or unless, in specific cases and for a just reason, the diocesan Bishop has decided that the matter is to be catered for by the appointment of another guardian."

What on earth are you talking about?

Are you a canon lawyer?

re Hitler, being baptized a Catholic does not make you one bit Christian in your ideas or motives if you apostasize which obviously he did. it can be secret it can be public it can be gradual it can be sudden in which case you probably weren't too Christian to begin with.

Technical history of baptism and even formal membership does not guarantee anything, "by your fruits you shall know them," and by the sort of things they drool over, which is I guess a sort of fruit.

it is perfectly reasonable to expect a religious body to attempt to retrieve a child who has been inducted into its faith, from a context that is inimical to this. This would play out regardless of the religion of the parents, Jewish, Hindu, Islamic, whatever. Typically these others would be expected to do the same. The power difference however, in some places, might prevent it.

you don't need to be a canon lawyer to read what is written. that is a cheap shot at the poster.
now as to Afghanistan, if he was doing brinkmanship, and was putting agents into Afghanistan in response to the soviet relationship to the govt. there, he could damn well EXPECT them to do as they did sooner or later, or at least HOPE THEY WOULD and that is intention in any legal sense of the word. A provocation was provided what did he expect? Celebrating the predictable reaction to a provocation shows intent.

Ask Constance how this would play in court "sure I did stuff that would attract the person onto the location, stuff he normally wouldn't ignore, and his long desired for by me broken leg resulted when he stepped in the disguised bear trap there, ...bears? no bears in the county, why? .... but no I didn't intend this to happen I didn't cause this to happen....." that would be practically an admission.

An adult is responsible for the choices they make. And only one of his parents was Catholic.

The reason why I asked if he/she was a cannon lawyer, was because he/she said it was implied that a baptized child could not be returned to their parents.

A canon lawyer would know better how how something could be applied and in what situation and why etc etc.
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