Sunday, September 11, 2011
As USA remembers 9/11, EU ponders "alternative UN Palestine/Israel Resolution"
(Washington, DC)—Wendy Sherman, President Barack Obama's nominee for undersecretary of state policy, told the Senate during confirmation hearings on Wednesday that if a resolution for recognition was put in front of the UN Security Council, "we would veto it." (Photo by: Reuters)
"The United States is very resolved to a veto threat in the Security Council," she added.
According to a report in The Jerusalem Post, Wednesday's statements by Sherman were the first official confirmation that the White House Administration would veto such an appeal.
Very ominous news coming from this part of world.
I've listed the full contents of the catalog with descriptions along with a request for these tapes for further research. Any help in this endeavor will be appreciated!
I was not aware that Leonard Ravenhill had attended conferences with the so-called Kansas City Prophets, Bickle, Rick Joyner, Francis Frangipane, etc.
The post mentions Bickle's approval of both Cain and Jones -- who've both taught and still teach Manifested Sons of God doctrine (MSoG) -- as evidence of a free mp3 download on the IHOP site referring to them as "spiritual fathers":
“The two men that have been my spiritual fathers in different ways and at different times — Bob Jones and Paul Cain. When I look over my 30 years plus of walking with the Lord those two men are significantly, clearly I would have to call my spiritual fathers through all these years.”
If Ernie Gruen is still around, give him my regards. I spoke at his church in 1982, as I recall.
Unfortunately, Gruen went to be with the Lord about 2 years ago.
I'll have some more on KCF and Bickle/Gruen, etc. in a subsequent post.
Now, they have changed their name to a 'Vineyard"
one. The pastor has given up his former pre-trib point of view to think that we will be protected through the tribulation. I told him I didn't agree but he is a nice man and I wish them well.
I don't currently hold to a pre-trib view myself (I'm mid-trib) and I respect those who adhere to different beliefs in this regard; HOWEVER, if the Vineyard (or this particular Vineyard) holds to the doctrine of an overcoming church in the Tribulation then that is part of the Manifested Sons of God teaching (Joel's Army, Overcomers, Sonship, New Breed).
There are some of us who do hold a post-trib position and are not part of such movements.
Not that you were insinuating such, just being clear.
IHOP and others also teach more than overcoming. They say that the events in the tribulation are not going to happen TO us, but THROUGH us. Meaning that we will wield the sword and bring forth the judgments.
How I wish it were true that we could overcome our personal problems and the world's, but I don't expect it until Our Lord returns. And I have seen some miracles and experienced them...but I never thought that one could completely overcome darkness until the Lord comes.
My pastor whom I have now says I am a miracle that I survived so much....so I have been through plenty, and I'm still asking Him to hang onto me because I can't hang onto Him.
He teaches Contemplative prayer, prayer labyrinths, etc... His creation care stuff wanders into earth worship. Just check into his spiritual guru Phylis Tickle and you'll get the idea.
The Columbus Vineyard is experiencing their own set of problems -
If you go to a Vineyard, please double & triple check everything. Don't fall for the ushering in the kingdom hype. Don't believe that the person praying for you is "reading your mail" with a direct line from the Holy Spirit. I've sat in a class where the Pastor mentioned in the article above taught us how to "read" people by observing their subtle reactions to your investigative or what they call "the interview" questions.
I could say so much more about Vineyard Church of Columbus (oh, I forgot, I can't say Church because they took it out of their name). They're just Vineyard Columbus now. Huh, I wonder if that is to get another $240,000 grant from the Gov't? Maybe that's a good thing for if it was a Church one would expect to learn from the Bible vs. a Club/Community Center where one can learn about social collectivism.
Vineyard = Wolf in sheeps clothing, beware.
Just keep an eye on Sarkozy, and he will lead you to the identity of the antichrist in the near future.
For very good information on a pre-wrath (rapture is pre-wrath of God, post-mid-trib) see Marvin Rosenthal. He presents some very thought-provoking ideas, whether you hold to this view or not.
Dave in CA
Especially for the EU.... if something isn't done, Europe will fall apart. The question remains: Will something / someone pull it all together again? Or will it collapse and make room for the kings of the East to reign for a while?
Like Constance says.... Stay tuned!
A. The Bible (Revelations) shows silence in heaven between the 6th and 7th seals;
B. It next shows a vast number of redeemed standing in heaven clothed in white robes.
C. The angel says to John, "who are these" and John says, "Sir, thou knows"
D. The angel says, THESE ARE THEY WHO CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION; THEY HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND MADE THEM WHITE;
E. The seventh seal commences thereafter which includes the 7 last plagues which are punishments on the Beast and his kingdom.
Glen Beck the Jewish Mormon
That's an interesting take on a mid-
I hadn't heard it before, and I've
been staunchly, hard-line undecided
Wouldn't your take on the subject
also be considered pre-wrath ?
Mr. Ayalon said Israel is targeting countries in Africa, Latin America and even the Carribean, acknowleding that the primary battleground — and the greatest prize — is the European Union.
“A lot will be dependent on the Europeans,” he said. “Many countries are waiting to see how Europe will vote.”
The 27-member European bloc has struggled to forge a unified position on the Palestinian resolution, the exact text of which has yet to be finalized.
If the bloc spinters, Israeli officials expect Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and most former Soviet bloc countries to oppose the resolution, and most of the Scandanavian countries and other historically pro-Palestinian countries like Ireland and Belgium to favor it. Britain and France are seen as bellwethers, though the French are leaning toward supporting the Palestinians.
If the originator of the Israeli Peace Process (credites by Israel in 1995 as Solana, coincidentally?) could pull this off and take credit for it, wouldn't he look like some kind of all around hero, turning the crisis he created into no small degree of opportunity?
Just thinking, hmmmmm, out loud?
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