Saturday, January 30, 2010


What is the prophesied image of the beast? I have long suspected that it is the Earth itself! After men walked on the moon in 1969 the New Agers were saying they now had "their image." It was an image of "the Whole Earth."

As we approach the time that prophesied events seem apparent and New Agers are becoming emboldened in their a la Shirley Maclaine "Karmageddon" prognostications against us.

I have been reporting, inter alia, on these "deep ecology" "eco-spirituality" developments since 1981. The Harry Potter movies were a form of mass initiation for impressionable children. AVATAR is obviously a form of mass initiation in "New World Religion" concepts for both adults and children.

"According to Bron Taylor, author of the new book Dark Green Religion, nature-based spirituality is not only undergoing a renaissance – it’s giving religious institutions a run for their money.

"Western society is in a dramatic shift away from monotheism, notes Dr. Taylor, professor of religion at the University of Florida. And in many cases, he says, former believers are turning to Mother Earth to fill the spiritual void.

"He cites findings that large numbers of people in Europe and the United States express “deep trust in nature as inherently spiritual or sacred.”

"The trend is obvious on the West Coast. Only 22 per cent of British Columbians attend a religious institution once a month or more, according to a 2008 poll by sociologist Reginald Bibby, compared with 38 per cent in Ontario.

"Instead, spiritual seekers are forming de facto congregations in nature’s cathedrals – mountain valleys and old-growth forests.

"Toni Pieroni, a registered clinical counsellor in Vancouver, says she discovered eco-spirituality about 15 years ago after going through a divorce. “It’s become very much part of my [spiritual] practice,” she says. “If I don’t get out and walk by the trees and by the ocean, I start to suffer.”

"In eco-spirituality workshops that she leads outside her counselling practice, Ms. Pieroni encourages people to think of the Earth as a sentient being, she says, “and to contemplate that the Earth that they’re walking on is also conscious of them.” . . . Similarly, in the movie Avatar, the blue-skinned Na’vi people worship a biological force that unifies their planet and all its life forms. The force is so tangible that the Na’vi can literally plug into it by connecting the tips of their long tails to the fronds of sacred trees. . . . On Pandora, the Na’vi people form circles to channel their world’s unifying power, notes Maureen Jack-LaCroix, an eco-spiritual facilitator and event producer known for her work on New Music West Festival and Tears Are Not Enough/LiveAid.

And in Vancouver, hundreds of people gather once a week in 40 community circles organized by Be the Change Earth Alliance, which Ms. Jack-LaCroix launched in 2008.

While the groups are open to people of all faiths, the goal is to restore a sense of connection with Earth’s life-support systems and to commit to actions that support sustainability, Ms. Jack-LaCroix explains.

“The essence of spirituality is feeling connected and not alone,” she says.

"Dr. Taylor says that dark green religion, despite its ancient pagan roots, is grounded in scientific evidence of DNA and the interrelatedness of life. “You don’t have to rely on some supposed revelation that somebody else had somewhere else in some distant time.”

"Unlike faiths that promise heaven in the afterlife, eco-spirituality calls upon adherents to treat the biosphere as paradise on earth, he explains. Figures such as Al Gore have called environmental destruction a “spiritual crisis.”

Let's review why we dare not go there. Scriptural warnings are abundantly clear. The most despised Biblical books to New Agers are Daniel and Revelation. Small wonder. They give away the perimeters of the Movement and its "hidden dangers" with great specificity. Both King James and Douay Rheims translated warnings are given below:

Saying with a loud voice: Fear the Lord, and give him honour, because the hour of his judgment is come; and adore ye him, that made heaven and earth, the sea, and the fountains of waters. (Douay Rheims)

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (KJV)

JD and Susanna have been working diligently with the help of other talented researchers from this forum to document disturbing about to be implemented developments in human RIFD and/or microchip implantation and tracking. The material is real. It is also happening. My next several internet radio programs and these blog columns will cover it. I also plan to submit material to NEWSWITHVIEWS for its use.

So what's the harm if we cross this "dark green religion" line? Again, we let the scriptures speak for themselves. Both King James Version and Douay Rheims translation are below:

6 And I saw another angel flying through the midst of heaven, having the eternal gospel, to preach unto them that sit upon the earth, and over every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people: 7 Saying with a loud voice: Fear the Lord, and give him honour, because the hour of his judgment is come; and adore ye him, that made heaven and earth, the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And another angel followed, saying: That great Babylon is fallen, is fallen; which made all nations to drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man shall adore the beast and his image, and receive his character in his forehead, or in his hand; 10 He also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mingled with pure wine in the cup of his wrath, and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the sight of the holy angels, and in the sight of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torments shall ascend up for ever and ever: neither have they rest day nor night, who have adored the beast, and his image, and whoever receiveth the character of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them. (Douay Rheims)

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. (King James Version)

The Scriptural warnings also tell us that those who cross the forbidden line break out with hideous sores all over their body. They would long for death, but death would not come. Already, those implanted with "Digital Angel" / Verichip implants -- human and animal have suffered painful cancers. The implications are clear. Giving into this system carries no advantage -- neither here nor in the world to come!

Jesus warning was that this system of deception would come "like a snare" upon all those that dwell in the face of the Earth. (Luke 21:35) May the Lord count us worthy to escape this deception.

Expect to be marginalized. Expect to have your willingness to accept such tracking and implantation as an indicator of sanity and parental fitness. Develop thick skin and stay strong. It appears to now be, absent divine staying, at hand.
Stay tuned!



Thank you for that very sobering post and the exhortation to stand in this hour.

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. Luke 21:36

Thank you to each of the post-ers here who watch and share. May we all be counted worthy to stand before the Son of Man.
A thought crossed my mind this evening and am curious. What are the workings/connections of the Red Cross and how are they interconnected. Certainly pushed right along with the UN agenda.
Unversaility and Unity is part of there "agenda" so to speak.

What do you think of this?

Sounds like another man with a God Complex to me.
London, England (CNN) -- Iceland's president accused the United Kingdom and the Netherlands on Friday of financially "bullying" his country.

Olafur Ragnar Grimsson said the two countries had been "using their influence within the International Monetary Fund" to stop it lending Iceland billions of dollars needed to rebuild the country's debt-ridden economy.

"We are being bullied. The British and the Dutch are using their influence within the IMF to prevent the IMF program from going forward," Grimsson told CNN's Richard Quest.

"We have a situation, where a small nation is in fact ready to shoulder part of this burden but doesn't want to be put in a corner where the very survival of its economy in the next 10 years would be at stake."

The comments came after the UK expressed anger at the highly controversial decision by Iceland's president's to veto a bill that would pay back billions of dollars Iceland owes the UK and Netherlands. Britain was forced to spend $3.69 billion last year to cover the losses that British savers incurred when Icelandic banks collapsed.

The British and Dutch governments condemned the decision by President Grimsson and hinted at repercussions for Iceland's bid to join the European Union and for its $10bn international economic rescue program.

Despite being already approved by Iceland's parliament, Grimsson refused to sign the bill and called for a national referendum.

Grimsson told CNN: "May I remind that if you take the sum that the Icelandic taxpayers are asked to shoulder and you transform it in to the British economic system to get the relative size, this is equal to the British taxpayers being asked to pay £700 billion ($1.1 trillion) for the years and decades to come."

Icelandic Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardottir hinted that the move could further tarnish the country's image and crush its hopes to become a member of the European Union.
Bron Taylor is a dangerous man.
Amen, a sobering post indeed.

To Peacebringer,
I believe that the red cross is derived from the order of the Knights Hospitalier who also used the same symbol of a red cross on a white background. They were Christian Mystics, more aquainted with Kabbalah than the Holy Scriptures.
Regarding Kabbalah, I have had a sneaking suspicion that the Occult sciences of Numerology and Gematria evident in the Kabbalistic "tree of life" which spells out the order and fabric of the created universe itself, is not much different from the science behind genetic research so it is no suprise that the Dark Green religion finds a "scientific" basis.

God bless,
WARNING: I have just downloaded and cursorily reviewed the book on "Supriem Rockefeller" and/or "Lucifer Redeemed."

BE VERY CAREFUL. The author of that book is obviously a New Ager himself. Stick to biblical specifications -- NOT things like the "Book of Oahspe" one of several New Age "bibles."

Thanks Constance. I knew from reading their propaganda that the "Supreiem Rockefeller" guy was crazy. I do not believe anybody except the one true God and his son Jesus Christ.

I mainly wanted to point this man out to others, so they are aware of their stuff.

They reference and speak about the following, which is obvious it's New Age Occult/Nazi stuff mixed in to create their own "religion/cult!"
A link was posted on the last thread, I just looked it up and was blown away. The article was written by Jerry Golden in 2004. This article is a must read. Jerry said (in 2004) that he believed it would be the Illuminati that would try to rebuild the Temple, not the "holy men".

Then that story about Rockefeller, I am wondering if there really are some dots to connect afterall!
I think the guy that wrote the free ebook about him is also theologically way off.

So was there no 7+ earthquake in
China the other day ?
Also see this, about this man saying he's going to rebuild the Third Temple.

Click here
A very good link from the FP board.

S.D.ROCKEFELLER HOLDINGS, LTD Signs Worldwide Agreement With GLOBAL FRANTECH GROUP To Market Licenses in 220 countries.

AHMEDABAD, Gujarat, India . August 26th, 2006

Supriem Bank and Trust Company. (Supriem) signed a exclusive Global Agreement with Global FranTech Group and FranTech Asia, (FranTech), of Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India, which grants FranTech the right to market Supriem (Bank and Trust Company) licenses for "The Future of Banking Worldwide" programs through FranTech's network of agents in 220 countries to governments and enterprises around the world.

The company explained that the Supriem Bank and Trust will offer the Allied Unit, the world union and their unified global currency. Supriem (Bank and Trust Company) will be an International Bank and clearing house located in the Caribbean with a online banking license to service depositors in 220 countries.The bank will hold a A Class banking license which will be unrestricted global online banking.

Supriem Standard Services (Government) AU programs are uniquely suited to meet the needs of third world countries, clients and emerging growth companies in most countries.

Supriem Rockefeller, known for his work in artificial intelligence (AI) in global currency, option markets, development of international private
insurance annuities and charitable trust, has now turned his attention to providing worldwide private banking services for the individual accessible from any worldwide location, using any telecommunication device, at any time of the day or night,with the latest in biometric security for worldwide banking.

Read full article here:
That last item did not post correctly.

Rebuilding the third temple

And more on Google:

Click Here

In my opinion, even if this guy, which I believe, is a false prophet, he should be watched.
I agree regarding Supriem Rockefeller.
Wes Penre, despite his seemingly good intentions has lost his way somewhere along the line.
To Paul - I haven't seen a USGS confirmation on that 7.0 earthquake, but today a 5.2 shows up on Google earth USGS earthquakes in eastern Sichuan, China.
Everybody wait a few seconds here. I want to rule out that "Supriem Rockefeller" and "Frantechasia" are not supreme spoofs with supreme players in the time honored game of "Watch the Fundamentalists Run".

Could it be" "Supriem Rockefeller" = "Supreme Rockefeller"

and FRANTECHASIA" = Frantic Chase 'ya?

I advise CAUTION until we know more for sure about this one other than their websites.

Let's google them independently.


I would urge everyone to heed Constance advice here. I can't find anything legit on David Rockefeller or S.D. Rockefeller Holdings. Most of what I am finding are reprints or rewrites of the same story which seemed to have a questionable origin. I believe we may be seeing a intentional distraction here. I urge all to use extreme caution when looking into this subject.
My best information is that the SUPRIEME ROCKEFELLER and FRANTECHASIA is definitely A HOAX.


Concerning the 8.6 quake that was initially reported. It has now been confirmed that no quake took place. However nothing has been put forward to explain the readings and data streams produced by multiple sources drawing from multiple pieces of equipment. I have no clue what happened, but whatever it was were not going to be told.
If I may be allowed to beat what looks like an almost dead horse, there is also a "Fran-Tech-USA" site that looks like it hasn't been updated in 3 years or more.

It has a lot of interesting links. But as has been suggested, maybe these are "links to nowhere" and made to look interesting as a diversion. I don't know.

Lots of stuff there about "new technology" and other what I would call "lunatic fringe", Art-Bell-middle-of-the-night stuff.

And I agree that Wes Penra has "lost his way", as Pete says.

I guess in the end, there's bigger fish to fry.
God Bless You Constance Cumbey !!!
I have followed your 'ministry' ever since you wrote the book,
The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow !
May God, The Risen Living Lord Jesus Christ Bless Guide and Guard you in the days ahead !!! Shalom !!!
Has anyone else received a notice from Google on their toolbar that says "Google would like to have access information to your current location" ??? and then give options to ok the locate/not locate? (It started yesterday).


I am reposting this here, but my other posting on the likelihood of the Supriem enterprise being a hoax is on the previous thread.

Among Supriem's more recent enterprises is the so-called "Bank in the Sky." (Beam me up, Supriem!!! LOL)

Evidence for a "pump and dump" stock scheme lies in the fact that one of the companies Supriem has partnered up with - Kinti Mining - which is consigned to the "pink sheets" (traded over the counter and not on major stock exchanges) is reportedly being described as up by 200% as of this past December.

Looks promising.

Or is it? What exactly does it mean when a stock is traded on the pink sheets? According to Investopedia:

The stocks of well-known companies such as General Electric and Microsoft trade on major exchanges such as the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) and Nasdaq. But companies like GE and Microsoft must be listed - that is, accepted for trading purposes by a recognized and regulated exchange - prior to actually trading on an exchange. When a company isn't listed, it often will trade on the Pink Sheets or the Over the Counter Bulletin Board (OTCBB).

A stock that doesn't trade on a major exchange is said to trade over the counter (OTC). This means that the stock is dealt between individuals connected by telephone and computer networks.

Companies will typically be listed on the OTCBB for one of two reasons:

(1) The company has been delisted from a major exchange. When a company is facing tough times and is unable to meet the requirements for continued listing on the Nasdaq or NYSE, it will be delisted. This usually happens to companies that are under financial strain and near bankruptcy. Even when listed on the OTCBB, companies are still required to maintain SEC filings and minimum requirements set by the OTCBB; however, these requirements are considerably easier to meet than those set by the national exchanges. If a company undergoes bankruptcy proceedings or misses certain SEC filings, an additional letter will be added to the company's ticker symbol to notify investors of this problem.

(2) The company may be listed on the OTCBB because it is unable to meet the initial listing requirements of the Nasdaq or NYSE. In such a case, a company may choose to test the waters of the OTCBB, using it as a stepping stone before leaping into the larger exchanges and markets.

The Pink Sheets are different from the OTCBB. Companies on the Pink Sheets are not required to meet minimum requirements or file with the SEC. So-named because they were actually printed on pink paper, the Pink Sheets started out as a daily quote service provided by the National Quotation Bureau. Typically, companies are on the Pink Sheets because either they are too small to be listed on a national exchange or they do not wish to make their budgets and accounting statements public. To avoid having to file with the SEC, some large foreign companies such as Nestle S.A. have penetrated the American securities markets through the Pink Sheets. Companies listed on the Pink Sheets are difficult to analyze because it is tough to obtain accurate information about them. The companies on the Pink Sheets are usually penny stocks and are often targets of price manipulation. They should only be purchased with extreme caution.


As the article indicates, Pink
Sheet stock is not exactly Blue Chip.

At the end of the day, just the fact that Supriem (Bank and Trust Company) will be an International Bank and clearing house located in the Caribbean ought to raise red flags.
Al Gore uses more energy in one month than I do in a year! It is so irritating being lectured about global warming and reducing carbon emissions from someone who doesn't even follow his own advice.
Dave in Battle Creek,

Ditto. Their mentality is "scrimping for thee but not for me."
U.N.'s Global Warming Report Under Fresh Attack for Rainforest Claims
By Gene J. Koprowski

A United Nations report on climate change that has been lambasted for its faulty research is under new attack for yet another instance of what critics say is sloppy science -- guiding global warming policy based on a study of forest fires.
A United Nations report on climate change that has been lambasted for its faulty research is under new attack for yet another instance of what its critics say is sloppy science -- adding to a growing scandal that has undermined the credibility of scientists and policymakers who back the U.N.'s findings about global warming.

In the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), issued in 2007 by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), scientists wrote that 40 percent of the Amazon rainforest in South America was endangered by global warming.

But that assertion was discredited this week when it emerged that the findings were based on numbers from a study by the World Wildlife Federation that had nothing to do with the issue of global warming -- and that was written by a freelance journalist and green activist.

The IPCC report states that "up to 40 percent of the Amazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation" -- highlighting the threat climate change poses to the Earth. The report goes on to say that "it is more probable that forests will be replaced by ecosystems ... such as tropical savannas."

But it has now been revealed that the claim was based on a WWF study titled "Global Review of Forest Fires," a paper barely related to the Amazon rainforest that was written "to secure essential policy reform at national and international level to provide a legislative and economic base for controlling harmful anthropogenic forest fires."..

ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: Obama Organizing in High School

UPDATE: Chuck's daughter asked if there was a Republican option she was told that there was not.

Be sure to read the comments. This story is also being carried at

Also on Tuesday there will be a hearing in Congress on homosexuals in he military. As a rabbi know succinctly wrote:

Military "Recruiting & Retention" will certainly be harmed - as will "Readiness" - by the proposed proposal to allow overtly gay servicemen into the Military. By threatening the Religious Liberties of Bible-believers, the latter will tend to opt out, and not apply to begin with. (Some of us suspect this "side-effect" is actually intended, but our arguments remain strong without adding that element.)

Additionally, regarding "Readiness", it's self-evident that soldiers cannot properly fight well on two fronts - externally and internally (I.e., within their own units).

Have you all watched: Zeitgeist Addendum? Now this takes eco faith to a new level, with the 'Venus group' and promotes Jacque Fresco's visions of the future while using the banking problems, war and corruption to launch the world into the new paradigm.
See here with extreme caution (and read the comments, people are ripe and ready for this, while I thought the idea not possible to be embraced).
this picture of the Earth is my ipod's wallpaper. scary stuff
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About gays in the military,

I spent over a decade with the military. There have always been gays in the military. We knew who they were; they weren't "open" about it because it could lead to court martial back then. But it was no secret to most of the unit. It was generally a nonissue, sometimes uncomfortable, but not an issue of job or mission performance. The greatest 'sex' issue I saw was harrassment of lower ranking females by men in their chain of command and rampant adultery.

The idea that changes in regulation could change human nature is ludicrous. People will be who and what they desire to be regardless of what is legal or illegal. Only changes in the heart will prevent gays from being in the military or anywhere else for that matter.

A more disturbing trend would be lowering enlistment standards allowing for an escalating criminal element - which then become trained in combat arms, weaponry and military tactics. And with the increasing unemployment and economic issues many young people are left with little choice but to support themselves and their families by waging war. It's an attractive package: it doesn't require previous knowledge, work experience, or an uncle in the business. Ok, well Uncle Sam is in the business of war. They not only get a steady paycheck, but also healthcare, housing, a career, comradery, the opportunity to travel the world, and a new measure of respect.
From Beliefnet (01/31/10):


The U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado will set aside a worship space for followers of "Earth-centered" religions such as Wicca and Druidism, according to an Air Force news release.

A stone circle atop a hill on the base in Colorado Springs will likely be dedicated in a ceremony March 10, according to the release, and be available to cadets and other service members who live in the area. The base already has worship spaces for Protestants, Catholics, Muslims and Buddhist, the release said.

The Air Force has been accused of allowing evangelical officers to openly proselytize and pressure cadets of other faiths. In 2005, the Air Force issued new guidelines pledging to "accommodate free exercise of religion and other personal beliefs."

Tech. Sgt. Brandon Longcrier, who worked with academy officials to create the space, said in the news release, "there really haven't been any obstacles for the new circle. The chaplain's office has been 100 percent supportive."

Longcrier, who became a pagan in 2006, said "when I first arrived here, Earth-centered cadets didn't have anywhere to call home. Now, they meet every Monday night, they get to go on retreats, and they have a stone circle."
Anonymous 10:57
You might want to read this article on the topic.

The Nazi Model for “Gays” in U.S. Military
Guest Column | By Dr. Scott Lively | February 2, 2009

AIM is Accuracy in Media.

While you may have known some individual homosexuals, you probably were not exposed to the homosexual community, their newspapers, their organizations, etc. To learn what this was, I monitored the two free papers for that community that were distributed in stacks around the downtown area of Chicago. These were quite large, usually 30 pages or more each week. Coverage in the paper ranged from political stories targeted to that community to erotic ads with pictures of very attractive young men.

Don't ask; don't tell is one thing. Exposure to the network and overt behavior is another.

I appreciate anonymous 10:57's comment based on military experience.

I am personally more alarmed and disturbed by the legitimizing/stamp of approval now given to witchcraft (12:13 post) in the military than I am by gays in the military.

If the gays in the military sll become Wiccans then that will really worry me.

Mary Jean
If you haven't already, check out Fulfilled Prophecy right now. There is excellent commentary on a documentary called "Waiting for Armaggedon." The focus of the movie is on evangelicals are praying for the world to "go to hell." It is a definite attack on Christians. You can go to the movie trailer at this link:

Also, they have a link to an article concerning a town in Sweden where there appears to be a great deal of anti-semitism. You can also follow this link:

Very disturbing!

As for me I don't pray for Armagedden or wish for the Great Tribulation. I pray for the day God triumphs over injustice and unrighteousness and Jesus returning to put an end to oppression and evil.

However, Jesus' resurrection wouldn't have happened without his own tribulation and sacrifice. The world will go through this tribulation, but something glorious is on the other side of it.

Jesus' Second Coming will be very different from his First. All I can say is come Lord Jesus!
More on the earthquake in China that was reported.

"1 killed in China earthquake
India Blooms News Service

Beijing, Feb 1 (IBNS): At least one person was killed and 11 other were injured in an earthquake that hit China's Sichuan province on Sunday, reports said.

According to reports, the quake, which measured 5.2 on the Richter scale, struck around 5:30pm local time.

Over 120 houses have reportedly collapsed in the town of Moxi, near the epicentre.

Rescue workers and medical teams got to work immediately and all the injured received medical attention within 30 minutes of the quake, reports added.

In May 2008, a 7.9 earthquake struck the same area and left around 90,000 people either dead or missing."

Maybe that 8.0 was a prequake or a misreading, but this one was real.
Another source for the China earthquake, from their official news page:

"SW China moderate quake not aftershock: expert 2010-02-01 11:00:43 FeedbackPrintRSS

SUINING, Sichuan, Feb. 1 (Xinhua) -- The earthquake that killed one person in southwest China's Sichuan Province Sunday was not an aftershock of the 8-magnitude quake of May 12, 2008, said Lu Yipei, deputy director of Sichuan Provincial Seismological Bureau, Monday.

Experts were still investigating the cause of the 5-magnitude quake, he said.

"We are sure this quake is not an aftershock because of change in geological structure and environment caused by the devastating quake in May 2008, which left about 87,000 people dead or missing," Lu said.

The earthquake, which struck the juncture of Sichuan's Suining City and Tongnan County of Chongqing Municipality at 5:36 a.m. Sunday, also injured 15 people and caused more than 2,000 to be relocated as of Sunday.

Its epicenter is located at 30.3 degrees north latitude and 105.7 degrees east longitude, with a depth of about 10 kilometers.

The possibility of aftershocks could not be ruled out, said Chen Tieliu, director of Chongqing's earthquake bureau."
But this quake does not appear on USGS or Google Earth earthquakes. So don't know how valid this one is or if it's related to the Sunday quake.

"Seven killed in China earthquake

A magnitude 3.4 earthquake on Monday has claimed seven lives in China's southwestern Guizhou province, state media reported.

The earthquake struck near Anshun city in the southwest of the poor and remote province, the China Earthquake Administration said on its website.

Aside from the seven deaths, China National Radio added that two people were injured and one was still missing. It gave no details on how the seven died.

The quake had caused at least two landslides, one of which hit a boat on a river, said official news agency Xinhua.

Southwest China is frequently hit by earthquakes. A massive temblor in 2008 in Sichuan province killed around 80,000 people."
Dave in BattleCreek, I noticed that post at fulfilledprophecy. It also plays off the new release called "Legion". I have copied and pasted a little bit of an email I sent out this morning.
Holly highlighted the film "Armageddon" on her website, I have heard of it but had not paid much attention to it. The trailer is linked below along with the trailer for the movie "Legion".

In the movie Legion, God was mad at His children and was sending legions of demons to cover the earth.

You see, they are conditioning the public for the coming darkness and laying the groundwork to blame those bad, bad Christians!

A new film accuses evangelicals of “praying for the world to go to hell.”
Waiting for Armageddon claims to expose the “frightening” beliefs of 20 million evangelicals who are yearning for God’s judgment at the battle of Armageddon. It portrays them as trying to bring about the battle by provoking war in the Middle East through a fanatical support of Israel. Read about it

My mother told me of a prophecy when darkness would cover the earth....God had changed, He was mad AT HIS CHILDREN.
Sad things are via NAR/IHOP crowd, there are those who are "praying for world to go to hell" so to speak.
Constance: you wrote in the original thread here:

Develop thick skin...

Was the double entendre intended; or, is it just my warped sense of humor? ;-)
Many, many towns/cities have newspapers by and for homosexuals. Columbus, Ohio has several freebie papers that come out every week that are extremely liberal and gay-friendly. ALIVE and THE OTHER PAPER are two of the freebies. They are full of advertising and lots of it is for businesses offering naked women or naked men to entertain others. Columbus is very accepting of homosexual behavior. Ohio State University is here with all that entails. Columbus has The Columbus College of Art and Design. Les Wexner does his part. There is a queer parade every summer. The mayor and city counsel, many local "churches" and just overall it's a queer-friendly place.
Copenhagen Treaty was signed today by U.S., China, E.U., Australia, India, Canada, and others (accounting for 80% of carbon emmissions).

Big, out-of-the-blue surprise. I thought nothing would happen.

LA Times is now confirming.

Dorothy, Suzanne, others,

Please excuse the rash of mysterious emails from me. I did not send them. I am locked out of outgoing mail for 24 hours because some spammer captured my mailing handle so I am alerting you here.

Thank you, Len.

I appreciate the explanation.

The article states this is Erwin McManus church. Wasn't he involved in that rethink conference a few years back? I am going to go to bed and research further in the morning.
It should be obvious through life experience that this planet is not a "paradise". that is wishful thinking, to consider it so. For some, that paradise may be seeming to come to pass, but if they are honest most will say, it never really materialized. I know of some "old" New Agers, who maybe know by now that it is a disappointment. Sadly, few of them turn to the Author of Life as an alternative, at least among those I know of. I don't know many of them personally any more, for I walked far far away from their green forest--even though I still love the forest and the waters and all the beauty that God created.

A real Paradise will come to those who love Him.

Raj Patel seems to be getting more media exposure:
Chrystal Cathedral laying off 50-may cancel Hour of Power television
The Mount of Olives goes online.
Pope Benedict attacks (UK) government over Equality Bill

The Pope has urged Catholic bishops in England and Wales to fight the UK's Equality Bill with "missionary zeal".

Pope Benedict XVI said the legislation "violates natural law" and could end the right of the Catholic Church to ban gay people from senior positions.

Full story;

It was good to know that there's a wonderful blog site like this. Just like KimClement. Please visit because there's a lot information about prophecy, prophet, and etc.

Another UK report from the BBC that caught my eye in the past few days.

New synagogue opens religious debate in Lebanon

Lebanon was once home to a thriving Jewish community, but its estimated that there are now fewer than a hundred Jews left in the country.

So it came as a surprise when the tiny Jewish community announced the rebuilding of one of Beirut's historic synagogues.

Video report;



Kim Clement is one of the most blatant of the false prophets out there. Really, how many of his "prophecies" have come true?

Welcome! I hope you find truth here; but the Author of Truth is who we all should be spending most of our time with. People are a great resource that God places into our lives to help us grow, to encourage us, to inform us, and to correct us via the Spirit, but God alone is the only one whom we can fully trust. Pray and seek Him in His word daily.

Having said that, I respectfully disagree that this place is just like Kim Clement's, and speaking for myself, I believe Kim Clement to be a false prophet, or at best a misguided one.

The words of the Almighty alone are always trustworthy and true! We humans try to speak truth always but sometimes fail.

Thank you for explaining. I was wondering what on earth had happened.


i agree with the electronic device, pretty much any idea that, people say we need to put in our hand is, well, a snare, a costly one, meaning full cup of God's wrath, in the presence of the Lamb, and we don't really want to forsake Him.

but in our soberness, let us not grow weary in well doing. it is easy to just right people off as evil, but remember, we are all evil, (that is in our flesh). And if all believers grew so tiresome of the world, i might not have made it. so just remember where we came from, and remember what it was like to be blinded by the god of this world. So all i am saying is, please beware that if we lean any one way too far, our adversary can push in that direction. if you are overly angery at evil, watch out for bitterness, if your'e overly joyous, watch out for pride or vanity,if our overly protective, your skin gets tuff, but so does your heart. exe, exe.

Who is like unto our God? the only Living and true God, ain't He somthin!

a pupil
in Christ

Article 1 has been sent, the title is Traceability in a Sustainable World.
Hi Constance,

I've been trying to check into your "Presentations for Downloading" page, and for the last several days its content is missing. I only get the language selection button.

I also run on a mac (imac), and I have checked the page against several browsers, all quite different in config to eliminate similarities, and it is the same on all of them. I also had my daughter check it out on her laptop, and it was the same. All your entries are missing.

Looking forward to reading the research of JD and Susanna.

take care,

I know many here use gmail and am hoping somone can help. I am having issues with emails I send not including the text I have just finished typing. I can read my email but others are not receiving my responses. It has even asked me in one case if I wanted to send a message without the text, but I can't figure out how to fix the issue. Any help is appreciated.
Hi JD,

Just as test, have you tried typing your message in text edit or notepad (so you won't lose your work) and then copying/pasting it straight into the email and sending from there? A quick google right now has not come up with anything immediately helpful on your issue.

Are you working directly in the web email interface, or through an email client?

I also use gmail, running it through Thunderbird as imap, and haven't had that happen to me (yet).

take care,

Finding out more, if you are using the web interface (logged into your email account through a browser) it seems it may depend upon the browser you use.

Still looking for more answers.

take care,

I have gotten the issue resolved. There was a problem with an out of date program on my laptop. Thanks for your help.
No problem,

Glad it was simple.

I am really anxious to read what you and Susanna have compiled. Any way to get a sneak peek? I'm having difficulty being available for Constance's show, to be able to give a good listen.

tke care,
REturning to the thread title, "Dark Green REligion From Hell"

Raj Patel has a fascinating movie review of "Avatar" `posted on his blog page:

"What Avatar provides is a language to explain the voracity of a system we’re currently living in, and a chance to point to resistance that thrives not light years away, but right here on earth. It’s an opportunity to talk to everyday folk about the need for change in ways that use a common language. It is, in short, an opportunity to open one’s mind to how we might live differently."

Differently indeed.


My rough draft has been sent to Constance, so I am confident my first article will be up shortly. With the very vast nature of the topic sneak peeks are hard to do and still have them make sense. In a nut shell Susanna and I have discovered a very real agenda to implement RFID globally. this includes the ability to identify individuals with RFID. The agenda reaches out across the globe, covers every sector of business, has huge proponents in Washington, can be directly connected to nearly every subject discussed here, and is frighteningly close to fruition. This is more like a teaser I know, but is the best way that I can summarize without getting into great detail.
Speaking of Raj Patel and the "green" movement

Soros Fund Management
George Soros hires Raj Patel


Not the same person. Soros hired "Rajeev Patel", a former financial expert with Galleon Investment and Trading.
Thanks for the correction - where did you find the Rajeev Patel info?


NY Times for one, there are plenty of others, just link search the names, "Soros" and "Patel".

Looks like those top level Galleon insiders are in high demand while the company disbands and their former boss takes the heat for insider trading. Galleon had dealt primarily with eurocentric investments, talent cess pool perfect match for Soros.

Was listening to the program tonight and wondered if you were aware that IBM has applied for a patent on a process of tracking people by what they wear(assuming that the clothes have a chip in them).

This is patent application 20020165758 and the abstract reads:

"A method and system for identifying and tracking persons using RFID-tagged items carried on the persons.
Previous purchase records for each person who shops at a retail store are collected by POS terminals and stored in
a transaction database. When a person carrying or wearing items having RFID tags enters the store or other
designated area, a RFID tag scanner located therein scans the RFID tags on that person and reads the RFID tag
information. The RFID tag information collected from the person is correlated with transaction records stored in
the transaction database according to known correlation algorithms. Based on the results of the correlation, the
exact identity of the person or certain characteristics about the person can be determined. This information is used
to monitor the movement of the person through the store or other areas."

Thought this might be helpful.

Ted N.
TEd N.

In Haiti, I wouldn't be surprised if RFID became the acceptable method of tracking orphaned children as well as tracking dispersal of aid, medical records, etc. I bet this is how it will start, necessity (compassion and safety) being the mother of invention.

Biblical Prophecies for the near future:

I know that there may be many here who have succumbed to the lie told over and over by the church - “no man shall know the day or the hour" of the tribulation or the return of the Messiah. However if you read the preceding verse where that misconception comes from, you will see that what Jesus/Yahshuah/Yeshua was talking about was the day that heaven and earth pass away, not the day or hour of His return or the time of the tribulation.

Mat 24:35 “The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My words shall by no means pass away.
Mat 24:36 “But concerning that day and the hour no one knows, not even the messengers of the heavens, but My Father only.

Clearly He meant for us to know the timing, at the very least the season, as He commanded us to watch and gave a great deal of description about the condition the earth would be in. The Bible is also full of prophecy, from cover to cover all pointing to Messiah. Either His coming, His return, or His reign as King of kings.

There are some Biblical scholars from different denominations coming to the same conclusion - that the 7 year tribulation (not the great tribulation) starts this year. The timeline as prophesied in Daniel lays it all out exactly, but it was sealed up until the time of the end. And that time is now. Almost all here know that it is, with every piece posted and every evil scheme uncovered, the coming end of days becomes more and more apparent. I don’t think I need to try to convince anyone that we are in that time.

I urge and challenge each of you to watch this video and study the Scriptures to see whether it be true. If you can find any points that don’t fit The Bible, please post a scripturally based response.

With the idea that RFID may be forced upon the population of the world fairly soon, I felt compelled to post this for you to consider.

There is also a prophecy in the Bible code for a major earthquake in California among other things predicted for the very near future.

Amo 2:16 and the bravest among the mighty flee naked, in that day,” declares יהוה.

Funny(not ha ha) you should say that. One of the groups we have been looking into has a strong presence in Haiti. They are also positioning themselves to help finance the rebuild of Port Au Prince. One thing that is important to understand is where this group is at work, RFID isn't far behind. I plan to write a full article on this group and its associates but if you want to get a head start take a look at Grameen Foundation.

Funny(not ha ha) you should say that. One of the groups we have been looking into has a strong presence in Haiti. They are also positioning themselves to help finance the rebuild of Port Au Prince. One thing that is important to understand is where this group is at work, RFID isn't far behind. I plan to write a full article on this group and its associates but if you want to get a head start take a look at Grameen Foundation.
It seems the presses are busy at Findhorn Press! And the new buzz words seem to be 'co-creator' and 'co-creating'.

A new title 'The Confident Creative - Drawing to Free the Hand and Mind' marks a move by Findhorn into publishing books about art and creativity.

Findhorn's web blurb for the David Spangler course at Findhorn picks up on the co-creator buzz words;

As does Diana Cooper on her bizarre facebook entry where she says, "After 2012 people will become conscious co-creators and many will have their full psychic and spiritual gifts restored."


Co-creators and 2012 - these presses are seriously hyping things up now!

Correction - Diana Cooper is featured on someone else'e Facebook, this is not her facebook.

Apologies, I followed a link from Findhorn Press Newsletter which led me there.

Global Warming may be worse than expected!

This report aired on Channel 4 News last night.

Who expected them to throw in the towel?

God bless
sorry link not working try this one.
Please see what Benjamin Creme says during a private phone call in regard to Raj Patel being betraya. Very insightful...

God Bless you all. Ben
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