Sunday, September 14, 2008

Solana is apparently not going away anytime soon!

Breaking News:  Bank of America making deal to buy Merrill Lynch.  Bankruptcy possible for Lehman.  Monday predicted "rough day" for markets.  Much is happening in way of 'bad news' in USA.  Lehman Brothers is 9th largest global bank.  While this is happening, Javier Solana's global power and influence are increasing.  As Russian Orthodox priest Fr, Seraphim Rose would say, "it is later than you think, hasten therefore to do the work of the Lord!


While watching the leaders do their thing, it's important to keep an eye on their operations.

The information about Obama's internet network says
"This time around, it looks as if the winner will be Blue State Digital, the firm behind Sen. Barack Obama's ubiquity/dominance on the Web (1 million Facebook friends, $200 million raised online). Not surprisingly, there's a direct connection between Blue State and one of the previous pioneers of presidential campaigns: All of its founders learned at the knee of former Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi.

Among its achievements: Blue State built Obama his own social network, MyBO, which has 850,000 users and has organized 50,000 events. And they've done all this, BusinessWeek reports, while only billing the campaign $1.1 million."
Silicon Ally Insider June 27th.


"Those who have been calling for full lustration have largely ignored one of the most important aspects of Communism. It deliberately involved everyone in the system. Nobody was allowed to stay outside it as long as they kept quiet as it would be possible in an ordinary autocracy."

Obama's campaign's gathering of names and their interests is unprecedented. Obama's Communist conections are unprecedented.

Watch what you will. See previous threads re community organizers.

How many titles does JV have?
While researching another "Duncan Campbell" a "revivalist" whose name came up in Pat Robertson's book, I discovered this other DUNCAN CAMPBELL, who obviously is a big player in New Age circles.

obama is a communist and wants eveyone in the system. Do people know what hour it is,are they forgetting, or don't they see. From in missouri
"Those who have been calling for full lustration have largely ignored one of the most important aspects of Communism. It deliberately involved everyone in the system. Nobody was allowed to stay outside it as long as they kept quiet as it would be possible in an ordinary autocracy."

The architects of "Human Rights" in Canada are doing something similar.
A friend sent me a copy of an email the Obama camp is sending out. The purpose is to get people registered to vote. A person who went to said the form requested a lot of personal information before directing the information seeker to a standard voting registration form.

So I Googled the name of the website and the first link on the list that came up said
"Vote for Change
Welcome back! We noticed you’ve been here before. What would you like to do? Start over. Take me back. Vote for Change Vote for Change Vote for Change Vote ... - 9k - Cached - Similar pages"

When I tried to put a false name into the information box on the website, I could go no further in my search for information.

In a Google search it is pointing out I've been tracked? I didn't even have to go to the website itself? Google working hand in hand with Obama people? Maybe the mark of the beast is my email address and people who refuse to use the computer are wise. Too late for me to drop out.

Thanks Solana for following JS so close through the mideast...
hope to be able to attend today's radio show, please see my article on Solana's Nato and AoC activities lately...
Dorothy- I don't know if this will help but take a look at the list of Internet "Products" that are owned by Google.(last link on list) Because youtube and Blogger are two of those owned by Google I found all of the following links
helpful. -Rudi

Obama visits Google. First one is over an hour, but is the most eye-opening. I think it may explain a lot. It's dated Nov.14, 2007

NBC11 Tech news video

Google Public Policy Blog: (11/07)
Candidates at Google: Barack Obama


The page above takes on greater significance when you know who makes up Google management.


Google Products

I have two words for you that will help ease your mind regarding Obama: Sarah Palin.
My mind isn't at ease. It's obvious you don't live in the Chicago area or in Illinois. Chicago style politics are something else. Add New Age tinkering to that and its a slice of the New World Order, Soviet style.

Before and if she gets to DC, she's up against very, very big players who can sideline her lofty goals with one swipe of their paw. Unless she knows about the New Age movement, and she probably doesn't, she may be toast.

I listened to about 2/3 of the video of Obama at Google before my gag reflex kicked in. Audacity of Hope should be sequeled by Foolishness of Hope, as in I hope I win the lottery which will bring utopia for me.

He says he's going to show where government money is going. As was said of information in the Soviet Union, so much information was available that people didn't know what was missing.

Obama has done nothing productive in his life. He's nothing but a face for the establishment, something entertaining for the mob.

There is nothing that suggests that Google technicians know anything significant about politics, history or the New Age movement. They can be conned as easily as anyone living on Main street. Their danger is that they have no line over which they will not step in their use of developing technology. Sounds like the story of the tower in Babel.

Here is a Biblical study on the name Barack Obama as posted at 5 Doves.

I sincerely hope it is of some use.

I accidentally posted this to an older thread -- meant to put it here EXTREMELY RELEVANT IN LIGHT OF WALL STREET FINANCIAL DEVELOPMENTS from the Benjamin Creme / Share INternational / Maitreya/Betraya Crowd

Here's what the "Maitreya [Betraya] 'the Christ'" crowd has up their sleeve -- does it sound like today's events. Please do not forget that their Spanish site has nice big pictures of Javier Solana and an "" search brings up Share International on searches for "Javier Solana". Since there is not one word in the search result which could have triggered the search, i have to assume that signals are being sent that he may be THE MAN. Of course, Krishnamurti and Hitler hoped to be "the man" as well, so time and events will tell:

"Sharing is the answer"

"What could cause humanity, particularly those in the developed world, to change to a less destructive, more sustainable lifestyle before it is too late?

"The writing is already on the wall, according to former US Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Alan Greenspan. "It is not credible that the United States can remain an oasis of prosperity unaffected by a world that is experiencing greatly increased stress," Greenspan says. But the "stress" of collapsing economies in Asia and Russia ― and increasing turmoil in Latin America and Eastern Europe ― not only affects the oasis of the United States, but the rest of the world as well. The world economy is "in a mess," concedes a senior official at the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

"Efforts by the Federal Reserve and the IMF to prop up the global economy are dwarfed by the sheer size of the 'global casino' that has contributed to the problems in the first place. Some $1,5 trillion in currency changes hands electronically every day in search of speculative profits unrelated to any exchange of real goods and services. This flow of capital, when shifted away from countries like Thailand and Indonesia, has caused severe economic hardships, which have rippled across the globe. With Japan, the world's second largest economy, already in deep recession, the outlook is not bright.

"When the US's "oasis of prosperity" begins to dry up, as it must in the current global financial crisis, stock markets in the West will plunge. This collapse will provide an opportunity for governments to re-evaluate their economic priorities, says futurist Benjamin Creme. The nations of the world will meet together to discuss how to cope with the future in an orderly fashion."

The foregoing from "Maitreya's Priorities" of "Share International." Wonder how soon the 'emergency conferences' will be called on this? I am deeply suspecting "The Armageddon Script" (Aquarian Press) and "End of the World 2009" (Tarcher Press) in action!

Here's what the "Maitreya [Betraya] 'the Christ'" crowd has up their sleeve -- does it sound like today's events. Please do not forget that their Spanish site has nice big pictures of Javier Solana and an "" search brings up Share International on searches for "Javier Solana". Since there is not one word in the search result which could have triggered the search, i have to assume that signals are being sent that he may be THE MAN. Of course, Krishnamurti and Hitler hoped to be "the man" as well, so time and events will tell:

"Sharing is the answer"

"What could cause humanity, particularly those in the developed world, to change to a less destructive, more sustainable lifestyle before it is too late?

"The writing is already on the wall, according to former US Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Alan Greenspan. "It is not credible that the United States can remain an oasis of prosperity unaffected by a world that is experiencing greatly increased stress," Greenspan says. But the "stress" of collapsing economies in Asia and Russia ― and increasing turmoil in Latin America and Eastern Europe ― not only affects the oasis of the United States, but the rest of the world as well. The world economy is "in a mess," concedes a senior official at the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

"Efforts by the Federal Reserve and the IMF to prop up the global economy are dwarfed by the sheer size of the 'global casino' that has contributed to the problems in the first place. Some $1,5 trillion in currency changes hands electronically every day in search of speculative profits unrelated to any exchange of real goods and services. This flow of capital, when shifted away from countries like Thailand and Indonesia, has caused severe economic hardships, which have rippled across the globe. With Japan, the world's second largest economy, already in deep recession, the outlook is not bright.

"When the US's "oasis of prosperity" begins to dry up, as it must in the current global financial crisis, stock markets in the West will plunge. This collapse will provide an opportunity for governments to re-evaluate their economic priorities, says futurist Benjamin Creme. The nations of the world will meet together to discuss how to cope with the future in an orderly fashion."

The foregoing from "Maitreya's Priorities" of "Share International." Wonder how soon the 'emergency conferences' will be called on this? I am deeply suspecting "The Armageddon Script" (Aquarian Press) and "End of the World 2009" (Tarcher Press) in action!

11:38 AM

11:38 AM

A new article by Berit Kjos entitled:

Obama's "Universal" Service Plan - Part 1

Training a Socialist Army of World Servers

Read this and now would be a good time to repost the article found by Susanna regarding Antonio Gramscii (mentor to Alinksy).

I thought they tied in nicely with recent discussions here and information provided by Dorothy.



Maybe I don't know much about Chicago politics, but the pizza is great. Parking in Chicago is ridiculous. The Bears lost yesterday. Although not as bad as the Lions, what's up with Detroit? Could they get even worse? Will they ever go to a Super Bowl before the tribulation is over?

Unfortunately, you're probably right about Palin being toast. You have to admit, she has slowed Obama's train. The McCain train is starting to pull ahead.
Anonymous 7:16

Interesting link. The thing that grabbed my attention about your link was the word 'lightening'. I was fervently praying back in May about whether or not to post the info that I felt the Lord was showing me about Obama into blog format, and the word 'lightning', as well as Isaiah 14:12-13 kept coming to me in weird ways, once even in a parking lot on a license plate after buying lunch at Pannera Bread!

I also agree with Dorothy that Palin is toast, but I thought that from the get-go, given that she'd be lumped into the evangelical "dominionist" Bush Doctrine category, which has definitely already happened in the few short weeks she's been in the public eye.

The timing of this Wall Street Nightmare works in Obama's favor right now. With his ACORN skills, the polls mean nothing. He will win. I'll be surprised if McCain keeps his lead in the polls much longer based on how horrific the attack machine on Palin has been.

NWO Politics: Obama is key. The US is key. JS needs Obama more than vise versa in my opinion, in order to carry out the plans of the NWO. JS can be replaced. Obama can't. Obama will carry out his cult-like messianic message to the whole world once he's president. That's my opinion for whatever it's worth, and the faithful have received plenty of warning.

I'm tired of fighting though. I have had nothing but bad luck since I've gotten into the fray.

But the good news is that my faith is stronger now, and that's all that counts.

Dorothy, excellent detective work re: Blue State Digital. However, I'm still certain Snopes, Google, Factcheck. org (owned by Obama's Walter Annenberg connection) wikipedia and blogger are all in this together controlling the bloggers' ability to circulate truth and affect change. They (not the bloggers)can manipulate the truth and people believe them as gospel. Constance was on top of that one. Bingo.

Lies become truth.

We're all toast.
Warning, very gruesome. Found at Drudge.

TIME TO REMEMBER WHAT THE ALLIANCE OF CIVILIZATIONS NEEDS TO CRACK DOWN ON "FUNDAMENTALISTS. This story appeared on Drudge. Please send the information to anyone in the Jewish community that you know.

Ultra-Orthodox vigilantes spread fear in Jerusalem.

Sorry if this has already been linked...

Obama's "Universal" Service Plan - Part 1
UN seeks to tap your e-mail!

Interesting comment section, but what seems left out is intent and potential.
1 thing I have also seen coming to the forefront from Share International is the recent UFO issue.
They are in the process of pushing thier agenda regarding thier view on them and what they have to offer mankind. Intersting news in light of the this years developements regarding UFOs.

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but until I see a UFO land in my backyard and I can touch it and see little green beings I will stick to my guns that it is a hoax. See Blue Beam Project. People see things all the time.

JB in CO

Thanks to Dorothy for cluing me in on this one.

Obama's "Universal Service Plan" is an enterprise that Obama would like to see evolve from the Chicago Public Allies that he founded and later chose his wife to head up as executive director.

Given Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis in which she comes across as favoring segregation over desegregation - and given her indoctrination into Black Liberation Theology by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, one is left to wonder if Public Allies and its derivatives are fronts being used to disguise the radicalization of its recruits......or if Barack Obama has his way..."draftees."

A "liberal" version of "Hitler Youth," perhaps?


By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Posted Thursday, September 04, 2008

Election '08: Democrats' reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part of her resume: Public Allies.

Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."

The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.

In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.

Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.
Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It's training the "next generation of nonprofit leaders" — future "social entrepreneurs."

The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.

Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."

Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."

One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."

The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.

The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill."


By Michelle Malkin • September 5, 2008
Doug in MI,

What recent UFO issue are you referring to? Is this more of the Planet X thing or is it something else? If you get any links, let me know, I'd love to check them out.

After reading some interesting news stories on Fox news, it appears that the toaster is ready for Sarah Palin. Chevy Chase apparently doesn't like her and hopes Tina Fey "decimates" her. Tina Fey's impression of Palin makes her look like a total airhead.
Obama's Buddies at ACORN in Hot Water Over Fraudulent Voter Registrations in Michigan

"And guess which state just happens to be a key swing state in the upcoming election?

Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families.

The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs. ACORN’s Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees

“There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications,” said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office. “And it appears to be widespread.” more....
Exclusive: DOJ will not conduct witch hunts for Obama

By Michelle Malkin • September 16, 2008

Remember Barack Obama’s attempt to silence TV stations running an independent ad by American Issues Project spotlighting The One’s ties to Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers? (link)

And remember the Obama campaign’s attempt to sic the Justice Department on the GOP donor behind the forbidden ad? (link)

A source sends the following report on DOJ’s public comments about Obama’s witch hunt. The comments were made September 12 and have not been reported yet by the MSM:........

......No, Obama, the government will not do your bidding and intimidate conservatives exercising their free speech.

So call off your henchmen and back off.

And here, again, is the ad Obama doesn’t want you to see: entire article and view ad...
Hi Anonymous,
no - it is not the Planet X thing - I am aware of that and its trappings. I am refering more along the lines of the high ranking military types / politicians / doctors / attorneys/ astronauts (ect) who have gone on record this year stating what they have personally witnessed.
I have collected these items as I have with other news stories, which by the way, if I remember reading the patriot act correctly, makes me a violator of that document.
I do have the news items related to this ( I would be happy to share them) - over the past year there has been a definite increase, including the publishing of some countries data regarding them.
Share International has a portion of their web space devoted to this subject. Mr. Creme has taken it upon himself to explain what they are seemingly about.
I have posted in the past my own personal view regarding them -

McCain/Palin Release Troopergate Emails To Show That Commissioner Was Fired For Insubordination

Missouri Pastor Mike Hoggard who has his "Hogblog" is my guest today on MY PERSPECTIVE. Our Topic: THE EMERGING CHURCH and its extreme similarities to Marilyn Ferguson and her THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY.

Please join us in the chatroom in 20 minutes!


In a sane world, that should end "Troopergate". Though liberals' visceral reaction to Governor Palin leads me to believe it won't.

The Obamas might do well to read the following article about "romantic self indulgence" by African - American senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA.


"Sometimes you don't know when you are lucky. Certainly I did not consider myself lucky when I left home at seventeen and discovered the hard way that there was no great demand for a black teenage dropout with no experience and no skill.

In retrospect, however, those days of struggling to earn money to pay the room rent and buy food left little time or energy for navel-gazing over things like "identity."

All this came back to me recently when I saw a font-page story about middle-class blacks worrying about their racial identity. There, on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, was a picture of a black teenager whose mother was fixing his bow tie as he was getting dressed in a tuxedo, in preparation for a cotillion.

I never had the problem of wearing a tuxedo to a cotillion, so it was hard for me to empathize with their more.....

Since many members of the working class - regardless of race or ethnic background - have likewise never had Michelle Obama's "problem" of attending an Ivy League college, it will probably be equally hard for them to empathize with the angst embodied in Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis.

A thesis that Princeton tried (in vain) to suppress until after the November election!

It might also be a little difficult for these same working class folks to believe that the presidential candidate who is scheduled to attend a wealthy $28,500.00 a person fundraiser in Beverly Hills on a day when the crisis in the U.S. economy remained an urgent issue for many Americans is the kind of guy that is tuned in to THEIR angst.

Here is a shorter link.
Hi Susanna... about your past...

"Obama's Buddies at ACORN in Hot Water Over Fraudulent Voter Registrations in Michigan....9/16/2008" think I live in Michigan and this is News to me... Not surprised the mass media is not covering it...
Obama doesn't like opponents and he sends his attack army against them. For the second time the Milt Rosenberg show was the target of the Obama phone bank, attacking the show for having an author of a book that exposed Obama's weaknesses. or

Obama supporters drown out media messages opposing their candidate

(Chicago Tribune (KRT) Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) Much of Barack Obama's political success can be traced to a database listing contact information for millions of people, a tool that has proven invaluable in raising record sums of money and organizing a national volunteer network.

Now Obama's presidential campaign is increasingly using the list to beat back media messages it does not like, calling on supporters to flood radio and television stations when opponents run anti-Obama ads or appear on talk shows. (more at link)

A pretty powerful tool before and after elections.

Another post by Berit Kjos on Alinsky tactics:

This is in addition to her previous post on world servers.

American Thinker exposes many of the Obama connections.

ACORN, Fannie Mae and Motor Voter
Clarice Feldman
M. Simon traces the funds Fannie Mae pumped into vote fraud specialists ACORN, and explains how that organization pressed for the grant of mortgages to unqualified buyers, leading to the subprime mortgage mess and Fannie Mae collapse.

He also links the organization to Chicago politician and "post-partisan" nominee for President, Barack Obama: (more at link)

Also: From littlegreenfootballs
"Obama Got $126K from Fannie and Freddie
Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at
Barack Obama is the second biggest recipient of political money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the last ten years. And he’s only been in Washington for four. (more at lgf)

From a friend:
The failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have been averted IF Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 only has three co-sponsors : Elizabeth Dole, John McCain and John Sununu.

Remember these things as the financial markets tumble. There's also a long piece over at the Village Voice as to causes.

Oh what will I write about when the election is over! LOL

Janeane Garofolo: Jail Republicans

Vilification of conservatives:

Has anyone else noticed that liberals have chonged their wording regarding abortion to "reproductive justice". I guess this is because they have been proven to be anti-"choice". The only choice they will accept is the choice to abort. Witness their reaction to Governor Palin's 5 children, especially Trig and her daughter Bristol's pregnancy.

It's all about marketing evil, when one slogan becomes tired, update it.
Just in case you missed that tiny one word link to the Simon story, here's the longer link: or

onday, September 15, 2008
The Best Congress Fannie Could Buy

This is a long and complicated story about how Obama backers were behind the mortgage industry meltdown.

It appears even the SF Chronicle agrees with the Democrats'culpability on the financial crisis:

I can't resist moving websites.
A Guide to the Political Left

Here's the write-up on Obama.

Whether you are looking for individuals, funders, organizations, if it's on the left you'll find information here.

The fun parts are the visual maps which take minutes to load. But when you get one up, you can move from group to group and see who is working with who in visual displays.

We need something like this for New Age, but will never get it because there is no funding.

Those who have been looking at politics for a time know of these networks, whether on the right or left. Those new to politics might be surprised to see how much goes on behind the scenes so that a politician can stand on a stage and pretend that he/she is a rebel leader who stands against the establishment while actually being part of it.

I would like to ask all, since we now have socialized our banking, mortgages, insurance, it seesm the only thing left that is nort socialized is health care - which will probaly be ushered in within a year, what makes us different than countries like - Russia? or even China?
Certainly not our laws - ever really read Patriot Act 1 & 2?
We are now a socialist country - and we are watching the down fall of the US happen live.
There will be no going back - once the tax payer spicket is turned on - who will turn down the dollars - oh, did I say dollars?? - please forgive me - since this "crisis" (order out of chaos)will take the last portion of confidence globally from the US dollar (China is already calling for the elimination of it)- it is the absolute best way to rid of the dollar and use the Amero, or how about this - they go for the golden egg - the Phoenix.

Senator Obama's surrogates are introducing race into election. There have been several allegations in the past two days that if he loses it will be due to race. Here are two examples:
Kudos Dorothy!
Excellent link at DiscoverTheNetworks.Org!

This morning my son was listening to Liddy. He had as a guest Celeste David of Loren Davis ministries who had written the famous "letter from Kenya" that brought Obama's Muslim ties to the surface. I believe the interview is archived. The letter led to the debate as to whether Obama was actually a Muslim and what is the status of his birth certificate.

The letter appears here:

Interestingly Loren Davis Ministries fights New Age and have the written on some of the same topics posted here.
Now throw this into the mix. I learned about the quotation from the interview.

"He pointed to presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and his famous 2006 speech about faith and public policy. The Illinois senator had said “democracy demands that religiously motivated people translate their concerns into universal rather than religion-specific values. Democracy requires that their proposal be subject to argument and amenable to reason.”

"Based on this philosophy, Obama reasons that even if he may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, he cannot pass a law banning abortion because people of other faiths and no faith may not have the same opinion about the practice. Obama believes he can only ban a practice if it violates a universal principle held by all people. "

If Obama is elected, which Obama will we see? Kenyan, American, Communist, Socialist, Christian, Muslim, Universalist? I guess it all depends on who his handlers are.

Dorothy -
some of this info is so condemning - I do understand news surpression but it seems relatively available.
Blind leading the blind is my supposition.

Yes, it is condemning. Unfortunately the major news media gives Obama a pass. Relatively available? Only to people who spend too much time on the internet.

I guess there can be other responses to what is going on. Compare it to Bible prophecy. Pray in private. Sit back and watch. Some of us need to be more active. Each according to their own character.

"Based on this philosophy, Obama reasons that even if he may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, he cannot pass a law banning abortion because people of other faiths and no faith may not have the same opinion about the practice. Obama believes he can only ban a practice if it violates a universal principle held by all people. "

But aren't pro-lifers espousing a universal ethic on the integrity of the human person?

i.e. You can't be pro-choice about slavery

This diabolical absurdity promoted by Obama is Demon-Speech par excellence. Remember, demons can only speak gibberish or seductive lies because they have set themselves against god and necessarily have excluded themselves from meaning.
I think the statements made by Obama in that text are in line with, (if not leading) with the AOC.
Dorothy I do thik that many who just have a passing question on Obama can find the droppings readily available.
Yeah, it does come from the net for most, but it seems the info is glaring enough to be hidden in plain sight if you will.

“Those new to politics might be surprised to see how much goes on behind the scenes so that a politician can stand on a stage and pretend that he/she is a rebel leader who stands against the establishment while actually being part of it.”
Like Senator Biden! Remember this: “Mr. Biden backed away from these statements in a June 28 television interview, saying that he had made those comments ''only in the context of Bork replacing a conservative.'' He added that, while Judge Bork was ''a brilliant man,'' that did not mean ''that there should be six or seven or eight, or even nine Borks'' on the Court.” Wow what reasoning, what party politics!
Yes, I agree with your statements. I may seem to be going overboard with my criticism of Obama. It's just that he is so charismatic when he is interviewed that it's easy to forget what he stands for. He comes across like a satin sheet that it's hard to dislike. If Clinton was teflon, Obama's a silk sheet.

I've talked with a few Obama supporters. They know nothing but just like the guy. That's why hard details are needed to go behind the camouflage. Just saying something negative about him only gets the other person to say something vague about the opposition.

McCain and Obama are like worse and worsest. Nothing in between. It's the choices we've been stuck with. Do we move into one world government and one world religion in a car or on a jet plane!

Senator Obama's double speak:

1.) claims to represent the masses and then speaks to San Francisco liberals condescendingly about them (they cling to their guns, Bibles, etc....);

2.) speaks on the campaign trail about the evils of NAFTA then has an adivsor privately assure the Canadian government he doesn't really mean it;

3.) speaks on the campaign trail about bringing home the troops then speaks privately to Iraqi leadership about delaying their return.

Each time he apparently thought he would not be found out. They should give all voters pause in considering which Senator will become President.

Someone has hacked Governor Palin's private email and posted it's contents on the web, including pictures of her family.
Jerusalem Post has an article up re: the bombing in Yemen.
Here's the link:

Who is going to bail out Uncle Sam?
China urging new currency order to stem the "financial tsunami".

Hi Dorothy,
either way, it is out of our coontrol. We can seek to influence and do what we can to inform and be (I hate to even say this) "agents of change" (AAA- bad taste in my mouth)but ultimately - we understand that those things are oing to occur - which certainly does point to the fact that it is later in God's timeline than most think - in my opinion.
I do not think you are being too hard on him - I once again - will not be voting for president (reasons were detailed out in previous posts).

Dorothy said:
"I've talked with a few Obama supporters. They know nothing but just like the guy. That's why hard details are needed to go behind the camouflage. Just saying something negative about him only gets the other person to say something vague about the opposition."

Something vague? Are you kidding?

A few weeks ago I went out to dinner with two so-called Democrat friends. We had agreed not to discuss politics but her husband brought it up anyhow. Asked me if I didn't think Michele Obama looked beautiful at the convention. I retorted that she's way too militant to ever look beautiful to me. Talk went on to include ACORN. My friends wanted to know what I had against ACORN. I told them it was corrupt and filled with fraud and that started an argument. Yesterday I sent them this link, as an explanation of an example of why I have problems with ACORN.

They responded by intimating I was a racist. I shot back another email reminding them that I was the one that initially voted for Obama in the primary, before I took the time to learn more about him.

I couldn't sleep last night and pulled out my bible.

"You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. All men will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will perish. By standing firm you will gain life." Luke21:16-19

In less than 3 months my relationships with two of my sons (as well as their girlfriends), my sister, and three of my closest friends has deteriorated to the point where it's obvious that it's not even mendable.

Why? because of two men.

Jesus Christ and Barack Obama.

If that's not Alice looking through the looking glass I don't know what is.

I don't think I'll even try getting through to people any more, Dorothy. Frankly, I'm tired of casting pearls to the swine.

In response to your comment:

"Like Senator Biden! Remember this: “Mr. Biden backed away from these statements in a June 28 television interview, saying that he had made those comments ''only in the context of Bork replacing a conservative.'' "

Has anyone ever noticed how many times the word "context" is used by radical liberals and socialists?There is a reason for that.

The word "context" is a key Marxist/Socialist buzzword.

For example, with Liberation Theology, Biblical interpretation can be weasel worded to correspond with any "cultural context."

Case in point "Black Liberation Theology" whose "context" of racial hatred and strife is emphasized over the more "traditional" Marxist "context" of "class struggle."

"Contextualism describes a collection of views in philosophy which emphasize the context in which an action, utterance, or expression occurs, and argues that, in some important respect, the action, utterance, or expression can only be understood relative to that context. Contextualist views hold that philosophically controversial concepts, such as "meaning P," "knowing that P," "having a reason to A," and possibly even "being true" or "being right" only have meaning relative to a specified context. Some philosophers hold that context-dependence may lead to relativism; nevertheless, contextualist views are increasingly popular within philosophy.

In ethics, "contextualist" views are most closely associated with situational ethics, or with moral relativism."

Because of its ever "evolving" so-called "dialectic," which tends to reject traditional values that are "universal" and "timeless," (i.e. the Natural Law), Marxism and all of its derivatives can be legitimately described at least to some degree as "context-dependent."

This is why agitators are often needed to create "context" (i.e. racial tensions) where little or none exists.
Just for the record, it was Setterman who noted the word context in a Biden quote.

You've clarified an idea for many.

You wrote: "we understand that those things are oing to occur - which certainly does point to the fact that it is later in God's timeline than most think - in my opinion."

I think if it was so clearcut we would not have been given free will. Free will allows us to affect the world around us which in turn affects the timeline you speak about.


Did you read this SF Chronicle article?

Combining Alinsky tactics and schooled in Chicago politics is a a toxic brew. I posted a link the other day of Jeanene Garofolo saying Republicans should be jailed. After reading Young Grasshopper's post today, it seems Senator Obama's supporters resemble brownshirts more than ever. Yikes.

I know what you mean. Telling newbies about Obama and telling them about the New Age movement is just about the same kind of task.

Most people live in communities where they stroke each other by agreeing with each other. Here we come in like a burr under their bu**ts making them uncomfortable. Of course they don't like that.

You might be able to use the advice that someone gave me, but that I haven't taken. They said that you have to be a watchman on the wall, but one warning should be enough.

You've given family and friends their one warning that something is happening. If they chose not to listen, they might not deserve another warning. You don't have to agree with them. Just tell them you don't want to talk about it if the topic comes up.

Waffles Anyone?

UNESCO World Heritage Tour.
These are pictures that you can zoom and get panaramic views. I took the liberty to visit the Dome of the Rock, Islam Pavilion and I panned the view straight down on the center image. maybe some you can check it out, but correct me if I am wrong, this looks like a Jewish star.

I also got to speak with a young man from Israel about Freemason symbolism is in the parliament structure and he told me that Shimon Peres and many of the leadership is Freemason.

I also found an interesting peice of info.
The US Gov. on the # of Mosques in the United States.
This is stunning, Congress is contemplating adjourning in recognition that they are ill equipped to solve the mess they've created. I would say this is good reason to vote the whole lot of them out!
Could be true about Masonry in Israel. It would explain why so many in the leadership sell out Israel and its people to the one world crowd.

In connection with Muslims, you might find this story of interest.

From The Sunday Times
September 14, 2008
Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts
Abul Taher

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.
(more at the link)

Hi Dorothy -
we all need a call to action - but the Lord states this:

Daniel 8:19 (King James Version)
19And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

The time of the end is already dtermined - Bless the Will of the Lord God Jesus Christ.

In reading the comments in the Times story, I found that we have an Islamic Court established in Texas. Google the information.


My mistake and I apologize!

Is it possible that according to some Christian believers there is a set of things that are to happen but that the set can take place in a set of actual years that varies? I realize that's what all of the end times discussion is about...when all of the end times starts and stops, and if you are sure of the start and stop dates, you can do nothing.

I'm either paranoid or else the US GOV is tracking me. How nice! (And how surprising.)

I have hooked into my paint blog as well as the-obama-nation to track visitor IP addresses. I rarely visit statcounter anymore, but I just went on there today to see how many visitors looked at my new painting on my art blog. I found a curious IP address belonging to I googled it and discovered it's some sort of gov't tracking system called Parklawn Computer Center outside of Washington.

This guy writes about it in his blog here and is also highly suspicious of their activities (guy's dead now, BTW);


Went on to read more about it here:

Categories of individuals covered (AHEM-TRACKED)by the system:

The individuals on whom records are maintained in this system are: (1) Individuals who are involved in litigation with the Department or the United States (regarding matters within the jurisdiction of the Department) either as plaintiffs or as defendants in both civil and criminal matters, (2) individuals who either file administrative compliants with the Department or are the subjects of administrative complaints initiated by the Department, including claims which are the subjects of records maintained in the Administrative Claims System, 09 90 0062, (3) individuals who are named parties in cases in which the Department believes it will or may become involved, and (4) OGC attorneys to whom cases are assigned.

Since I am not involved in any sort of litigation and never have been, I can only think that #2 or #3 applies to me, thanks to my obama-nation blog. Very disturbing.

I also noticed that every time I post here, it takes two attempts to leave the comment, even though I am very careful about putting in the right password. I always receive the message that my password is incorrect. Anyone else getting that? Coincidence?


Maybe someone in the gov't wants to buy some pretty paintings...
The Brownshirts were more physical than the Obama followers. I wonder if even Obama knows what he is setting in motion and how hard it might be to stop it.

To All:

Check this out!

Explosive Video, Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae

So far they not physical. But the intimidation is real. What would it take to tip them over the edge?

I just watched a video from Fox news. I'm not sure how to link to it. Russia is planning on selling S-300 surface to air missles to both Iran and Venezuela. The Iranian president has said that "Israel will not survive." Just head to and it shouldn't be too hard to find.

Plus, the Iranian president has invited to debate both presidential candidates at the UN. Apparently, he's coming for a visit. There's also some interesting news regarding Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin appearing at a rally protesting the Iranian president's visit. Actually, neither one will be attending because Clinton wouldn't go if Palin was going to be there and so Palin was uninvited. This is also at Come on people, grow up. You're not in high school anymore!

David in Battle Creek

This is more about sharia courts in Texas, which Dorothy mentioned earlier. Interesting, to say the least.
An article on National ID.
I really can't tell in advance. It would probably be something that made Obama followers angry, a large gathering of people for some reason or other and a few provateurs, those people hired to rile up individuals in a crowd. The Seattle riots would be an example.

Right now Obama followers are being primed to follow orders. This concerne me, but I'm not a specialist in this area.

I know I'm stepping way off New Age topics with this one, but I've not read it elsewhere. I thought Gov. Palin looked awkward during the interview. There seemed to be something out of sync. After reading this column and the comments, I now know what happened. I know now I'll be looking a the news more carefully and not just listening.

Charlie Gibson and ABC News Camera Trickery
* Sep 12, 2008 at 9:32 AM
I'm a Director in Hollywood. I've also created visual effects for movies and commercials for 23 years. I'm not disclosing my name at this point, because frankly I've already suffered enough job loss because I was "outted" as a conservative. But enough about me. I caught a commercial teaser for the Charlie Gibson interview of Sarah Palin and something caught my attention as a Director immediately: The use of the position and choice of lenses to minimalize Governor Palin...."
(more at link)

By the way, does the body language expert on O'Reilly appear to others to favor Obama. It appears that way to me.

Article regarding the Catholic vote:
Okay, here goes...

What did Jesus really say in Luke 10:18?

Well, that Rabbi Sollog guy sure got me going! I decided to do my own Bible study to see if Sollog's hypothesis could be confirmed. Did Jesus really say, (in Hebrew), as recorded in Luke 10:18, “Satan barack o bama”?

Let’s start with the basics. Jesus did not speak Greek when talking to his disciples. Most likely Jesus spoke in either Aramaic or Hebrew. Unfortunately, all of the New Testament translations I have been able to find have been translated directly from the Greek or Latin language. Though they do exist, I have not been able to find a usable “Hebrew” version of the NT to conduct this study. If anyone here can help, please do so. However there are plenty of Hebrew OT texts to go around, and by researching how specific Hebrew words are used in the OT I think we can determine with a pretty good degree of accuracy what the actual Hebrew words were that Jesus would have spoken. In order to do this, we must assume that Jesus would have used the exact same OT terms when speaking about the exact same things to his disciples in the NT.

I have used the online Blue Letter Bible and Strong's Hebrew Lexicon to conduct this word study.

I looked up two specific Hebrew words. 'baraq' and 'bamma', “lightning” and “heaven” (or “on high”). Of course, there are several Hebrew words for both with slight variations in meaning and use.

H1300 baraq bä·räk' lightning, glittering, bright, glitter, glittering sword.

“Baraq” is the Hebrew word used to mean "lightning" when God sends it.

The specific word “baraq" is the word used for lightning in the following OT verses:

Psalm 18:14; 77:18; 97:4; 135:7; and 144:6

Job 38:35

Jer. 10:13; and 51:16

Eze 1:13

Dan. 10:6

Nah. 2:4

Zec. 9:14

H1116 bamah bam·mä' high place(s), heights, waves, “Heights” of Heaven

The word “bamma” is often used to describe high places in conjunction with the Lord’s anger, as in…

Lev 26:30…

“And I will destroy your high places (bamma), and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.”

“Bamma” is also used to describe a “high place that has become unholy”, Or to describe a “ high place to be struck down”, as in…

Num 22:41…

Num 33:52

Deu 33:29

and most revealing,

Isaiah 14:14...which reads....

“I (Lucifer) will ascend above the heights of the clouds (bamma); I will be like the most High.”

As for inserting an “O” into the text, I will borrow the expertise of Dr Rabbi Sollog, who I must assume understands Hebrew better than I.

Sollog writes,

"In Hebrew, the letter vau is transliterated as an “O” or “U”. It is primarily used as a conjunction to join concepts together. So, to “join” in Hebrew poetry the concept of lightning (Barack) and a high place like heaven or the “Heights of Heaven”, the letter “O” or Hebrew vau would be used."

Well the hour is late, and this study was very exhausting. I have just begun looking at all the Hebrew words for "fall", which is a word also used by Jesus in Luke 10:18. But I want to post what I have so far. Sollog thinks Jesus most likely used the Hebrew word "pesa", meaning "to fall" as in sin/transgression/rebellion.

Pesa (Strongs word 6588) refers to a revolt, rebellion or sin, a “transgression”. I understand it literally means "piss on the wall".

By studying how specific Hebrew words are used in the OT, we can conclude that it is highly likely Jesus actually said, as recorded in Luke 10:18....

"Satan baraq o bamma pesa."

My thoughts exactly.
I don't often e-mail posts to family and friends, but your 2:39 efforts have gone out; thanks for the INSIGHT!
OLDMANOFTHESKI: Thanks so much for your research! I intend to send this to family members too. Would you mind if I used your research in a new post on my blog? I'd be happy to give you credit if you email me your name.
Your research is assuring in that it tells me I wasn't just having a weird gut reaction to Obama's logo when I first saw it and associated it with Isaiah 14:12.

Thanks again for this added evidence against BO. I have felt for months that he is Satanic, this is more proof.

Dorothy, I can't stomach Bill O'reilly but I did happen to catch the last 5 minutes of his show over the last 2 days and I definitely agree with you, i.e.- he's pro-Obama. Not surprising considering his character.
Keep in mind, I know absolutely nothing of the Hebrew language, just fumbling along with the study tools I have available. In my earlier post I forgot to include the other OT scriptures where the specific word "bamma" or "bamah" is used to denote "high places".

1Sam 9:12,13,14,19,25 and 10:15

2 Sam 1:19 and 22:34

1 Ki 3:2,4 11:7, 12:31,32, 13:32,33, 14:23, and 15:14

I also want to point out that if O-bama is not "the" anti-christ, he sure fits the descripion of a "anti-christ".

I've had several conversations with a DNC operative over this past year. The man has been a big mover and shaker for Obama since the beginning and was at the Dem convention in Denver. I try very hard to be respectful and lighthearted whenever I try to carry on a logical conversation with the man, yet he always, always, always goes off into a hate filled rampage.

"#*((!!## Bush administration!" etc.

I then have to remind him that I voted for Ron Paul, to which he usually has no answer. The last thing he said to me (on Tuesday) was, "Obama's going to win you know." To which I replied, "Well then, I guess I'm going to have to move up to Alaska and start working on that secession thing."

Maybe Alaska is where a lot of us "bitter clingers" are going to end up, eh?

This man's predictable anger/hate filled reaction did get me thinking more and more about what Obama was all about. Haven't those of us who have had conversations with dyed in the wool New Agers experienced the same kind of animosity?

It's hard not to take the bait and fire back, but if there ever was a time to turn the other cheek and show Christ's love, this is it.

Keep looking up folks, our redemption cannot be far off.
"Turning the other cheek" is not a sign of weakness. It does not mean we are to back down or give in. On the contrary it means we are willing to take the consequences and stand firm in our faith to the very end.

Young Grasshopper, copy away as you see fit.

The visceral reaction you got from your friend is being experienced by a lot of people. Amir Taheri is the reporter who broke the story about Senator Obama encouraging the Iraqi leadership to delay troop withdrawal. Apparently, he's been receiving death threats to he and his family. It seems Senator Obama's supporters have no sense of humor regarding his ascension to the presidency. I remember joking with Senator Kerry's supporters in the last election and they took it in stride. That's not at all the case in this election. Our local conservative talk radio host got a flurry of threats and hate mail after Senator Obama's speech in Elko, NV. It's like mass possession.


An example of those who becoming unhinged by the election. I read one commentator say the feminists were getting in touch with their inner ax murderer.
As one blogger put it over at Free Republic: "TIME TO PIN THE TAIL ON THE DONKEYS!!!" - regarding Fannie Maes and Freddie Macs.





Senator's links to mortgage giants also include campaign contributions

Update: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Lawmakers

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Democrats

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac CEOs to get golden parachutes

Daniel Mudd and Richard Syron, who are stepping down, have already made millions at the troubled mortgage giants and are expected to take away millions more.

Acorn, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Barack Obama’s Finance Chair-Penny Pritzker, All Tied To The Sub-Prime Meltdown

September 17, 2008 10:10 PM

Obama gets big Bucks from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac

Obama, Barney Frank, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Campaign contributions, Democrats, Lobbyists, Truth about Obama, More Obama lies, McCain reformer

September 17, 2008

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac execs
Paid Off Obama for LAST THREE Years!

Links to mortgage giants
also include campaign contributions

Thanks to Dorothy for this one

Video: "We Are Family": Obama, Dems, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
Gateway Pundit reveals a video of the Obamas with the Congressional Black Caucus getting wined and dined by Fannie Mae - as they sought to have legislation blocked that would tighten the screws on the organization - legislations sponsored by Senator John McCain.

Listen to the "Family connection" between Obama and Democrats

Explosive CEO calling Obama, Dems "Family" of Fannie Mae

August 14, 2008, 1:32 pm

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Are No-Shows at Conventions
Check this out before you use the Sollog information:
The personal study stands for itself I think, in spite of Sollogs "prophecies". Excellent work!
At the risk of being tracked (I probably am already) Wouldn't this be the time to see those "millitia" folks coming out of the wood work? I all ways figured they were weirdos that would be the first run and hide (guess I'm right). I personally don't know of any, but it seems like they were mentioned all the time in the 80's & 90's.

JB in CO
Dr. Solana has posted an agenda for his upcoming Washington D.C. and New York, N.Y. visits, 9/18-9/27:

Note his visits with the following individuals:

Chairman of House of Representatives' Foreign Relations Committee (18th)

Pres. of the World Bank (18th)

Senator Chuck Hagel (19th)


Anonymous 3:02,

I see Senator Hagel is critical of Governor Palin. I'm sure she is not Mr.Solana's first choice.

This is where socialized medicine takes us.

Elderly people suffering from dementia should consider ending their lives because they are a burden on the NHS and their families, according to the influential medical ethics expert Baroness Warnock.

This woman is a medical ethics expert - yikes.

This is like the article yesterday that Trigg Palin and all Downs Syndrome babies should be killed to avoid the cost to society. And a blog commentary that 90% of Downs Syndrome babies are being aborted already.
David in Battle Creek,

Nice to see someone else from my hometown in the fray here so to speak. It seems there are many of us from this part of the country here. At least I know when they come to get me, I'll have friends. {LOL} Heres a link to the Russia story.

I too often have issues posting here as well as other places, the really odd part is the more pertinent the info the harder it is to post. I have also gotten strange bugs and viruses on my cpu, one of which recently caused my system to crash, to which irradicated any and all info on my hard drive. [thank the Lord for back ups]
Between Obama and Solana I am beginning to believe we may be seeing both beasts from Revelation at work, keep up the good work to all as our time to do so definitely seems to be dwindling.


I wish I was making this up but it seems the Department of Homeland Security has seen fit to partner with Sesame Street. The cover story seems to be preparing kids for terrorist style emergencies. I found this via the DC examiner. Needless to say this disturbs me to the core. The ramifications of what could be spoon fed to the next generation via this medium are staggering. I know its off topic, but its important enough to post.

His an interesting tidbit from Fox news regarding Barrack Obama's committment of American taxpayer money to a certain UN project. He forgot to mention this when he stopped here in Battle Creek.

David in Battle Creek
JB in CO
the maltia types - were smoked out by the Clinton administration during the 90s. Janet Reno and crew, especially after creating the MJTF rendered them almost inefective.
the pockets of resistance in this regards will alwys be there nut the orginazations as a functional unit have been nuetralized.


Constance i would like to get a link to the picture of JS on the cover of SHARE INT.
Constance and all,

Todays show on the microeffect took an interesting turn, as it flooded my mind with recollection about some directions the Sustainable Design movement was taking while I was in college.

There was an early connection in the late 90's between Universal Design and its principles and the budding Sustainable development movement. I found a boring article that I won't bother posting here with lots of New Age lingo coming from academia. What might be relevant to those searching on Agenda 21 and its affects into society were in the footnotes. Not sure how easily these titles are accessed, but the names are telling. Here is a sampling:

Sandu, Jim. 2001. “An Integrated Approach to Universal Design: Toward the Inclusion of all Ages, Cultures, and Diversity.” Universal Design Handbook 3.3. McGraw-Hill.

Walsh, C. J. 2001. “Sustainable Human and Social Development: An Examination of Contextual Factors.” Universal Design Handbook 33.1. McGraw-Hill.

Weisman, Leslie Kanes. 2001. “Creating the Universally Designed City: Prospects for the New Century.” Universal Design Handbook 69.3. McGraw-Hill.

Weisman, Leslie Kanes. 1992. “Discrimination by Design: A Feminist Critique of a Man-Made Environment.” Urbana, IL: University of Illinois Press


I cant believe finally some truth in the news...

This was written by


"McCain is correct when he says Obama is the No. 2 recipient of campaign money from employees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Obama has collected $126,349 from those sources, according to a compilation by the Center for Responsive Politics, second only to Senate Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who has received $165,400. The ranking covers the period since 1989."

...I have no idea if anybody (outside of cyberspace) considers Sollog a real "rabbi". I've never heard of the man until the link to his "interpretation" was posted on this blog. That said, what we need to look at are all possible Hebrew translations of the words used by Jesus in Luke 10:18, which is a direct reference to the Isaiah scriptures...

Luke 10:18 "I saw Satan (Lucifer) fall like (as) ligtning from heaven (on high)."

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

The key words are "Fall, lightning, and heaven (or, on high)" I'm guessing the reference to the "sides of the pit" describing Lucifer's fall may be where Sollog's "piss on the wall" interpretation came from.

Let's try to confirm or refute Sollog's interpretation of Luke 10:18.
Old Man of the Ski,

I know there are many schools of thought on this, but didn't the Jews in the Galilee speak Aramaic as well. I know there are some Aramaic New Testaments that are original texts not translations. I wonder how Luke 10 is rendered in it. There was a interlinear Bible available. I will see if I can track down the link.

Here it is

-go to Interlinear NT
-book of Luqa
-chapter 10

Hope that helps


This is a copy of the proposed mortgage bail out bill for the US tresury. It came via Fox news. In it the tresurer is given authority to purchase up to $700,000,000,000 in mortgage debt. The part that concerns me is Sec. 8 which states
"Decisions by the secretary pursuant to this Act are non-reviewable and commited to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any adminastrative agency."
Now I am not up on all the legal jargen, so Constance maybe you could help me out here, but this sounds like a direct violation of checks and balances established in our constitution. It also sounds to me like the government will be able to buy up as many mortgages as it pleases with no one to answer to.
Is it just me or does this not seem to be a land grab that could result in an excessive abuse of our freedoms. If I seem alittle paranoid forgive me, but given the events of the last few years I have a hard time trusting any government, especially when they want power to be able to purchase whatever pleases them.

Dave in Battlecreek, maybe Obama and Biden will get their 50 billion from Galveston and Houston, I doubt that they’ll ask the folks in New Orleans, but you never know!

Anon 3:17 Downs Syndrome people represent some of my best friends, I’m sure that many will sit closer to the Lord than I will; but in, dare I say, a material world, wealth, fame, youth, and ‘beauty’ reign supreme.

"Never before in human history has there been such a confluence of forces. Technology, globalism, and the leftist drumbeat are joining together in a way that is allowing mankind to believe, on a worldwide scale, that it can control its own destiny."

An interesting commentary at the American Thinker.

“Except the LORD build the house,
they labor in vain that build it.”


We, The World's Change Agent Network (We CAN!)
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Ongoing Projects to “Celebrate the Change”:

“11 Days of Global Unity”-
‘ Peace On Earth
and Peace WITH Earth’:

Participants and supporters of the launch of 11 Days included Nobel Peace Laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Jane Goodall, Deepak Chopra, Marianne Williamson, Robert Thurman, Hazel Henderson, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Riane Eisler, Amnesty International and many others.

September 11-21 2008. This event is “an annual worldwide promotion of peace, justice, sustainability and transformation that now includes 700 associated events in over 60 countries around the world.”
This event culminates tomorrow September 21, 2008, with the UN International Day of Peace, “which itself has literally thousands of events in over 100 countries.”


“In September 2002 We, The World launched Interdependence Day at the Johannesburg World Summit on Sustainable Development at the Sacred Place in Ubuntu Village.

Our Voices, Our World (OVOW)

The focus is especially on youth, with events held approximately every 3 months (to start) in major cities and towns throughout the US, as well as globally. All events will be theme- based music concerts, interspersed with speakers, exhibit tables with literature, books, tapes etc. for co-sponsoring organizations and “socially responsible” business sponsors.
(Mass indoctrination for the young people.)

There is so much additional information available through this site. The list on the left column
of the main page provides access to nearly every significant person we’ve discussed here - if you follow up with the links of sponsoring organizations. One of the sponsors, “ManyOne” will only be accessible if you sign up. (I'm nosey enough, so I signed up) I’ve done additional research in recent weeks particularly on The ManyOne Foundation which is aligned with the Earth Charter. There will be an internationally representative Board of Directors established for the ManyOne Foundation, and will include 30 to 40 members from around the world . The second link below has the list of those Leaders who have already agreed to serve. Paul Hawken, and Maurice Strong are two of the 16 names listed at this time. The Foundation is separate from The ManyOne Network so no need to sign in to view the list. -Rudi

Home Page We The World
Rudi, I didn’t see Obama’s name on your list! “The foolish built their house on sand.”
Great research, thanks.

Did you know that if the Presidential election is close, and Obama is not elected, there is a strong case that it is ‘White’ racial prejudice to blame?
Ron Fournier (Flaming conservative if you are Rolling Stone) and Trevor Tompson leave precious few options other than Obama is black. I, for one, voted for Allan Keyes, but we all know that if you’re conservative you can’t be black, and if you are a conservative woman you must be a transsexual John Bircher!
The self-loathing American has been mentioned on Constance’s blog before, (accounts for America last mentality) but self-loathing Whiteness is being appealed to, not that Obama sat under a KKK-type preacher for twenty years, not that Bill Ayers kicked off Obama’s campaign or a host of red-flags.
Finally no mention that it is estimated that Obama will get 93-96% of Black votes; there’s no racism there!
Deannie, Great article by William Staneski, and the comments, though time consuming, well worth the read. If I had read this before my post I would have included this quote:
“As each school textbook is rewritten to reflect the new ideas of family and cultural heritage, our children are lost to the forces of the drumbeat as they learn to view America and traditional Western culture as oppressive and imperialistic.”

I believe that Rudi’s information is what is missing from William’s essay; Marxism is being over-taken by the New Age mystics.
Hi Setterman,
Obama...I have been asking myself from day one of his emergence, why so much obvious favor with the press? Why did the first "Obama messiah" suggestion come from the press? Then I remembered a video I watch recently featuring Al Gore. I was alerted to the video in a June 20, 2008 article in Findhorn's Community News.
"Climate Leadership Programme - Building Partnerships "

In Gore's talk,("New thinking on the climate crisis") he likens the "climate crisis", it's implications, and necessary response required, to military conflicts. You can view the video here:

For me, when I began thinking about current events we are seeing unfold and those behind the scenes; who may be intentionally manipulating events with a strategic goal (desired outcome)or endgame in mind, from the viewpoint of a military strategist, it gave me another perspective. From earliest times (think Trojan horse) a key component of military strategy
is deception aimed at the enemy.
" “Military deception” is an umbrella term that includes both denial and deception. Denial hides the real and deception shows the fake. Denial and deception are operations; propaganda and disinformation are the products (DOD Background Briefing:3).

Text of Al Gore’s March 2008
talk “New thinking on the climate crisis" (scroll down)

My point regarding Obama is, in my opinion, the "profile" we have been given of Obama as "mesmerizing", "messiah-like" was created. No doubt, he is being promoted. No doubt, people in high places have financially supported and possibly groomed him for whatever role they see him filling. But he could in reality be, militarily speaking, a decoy.
Reading a financial news article this morning, I couldn’t help but notice the writers use of “code words” we recognize as the “language” of the New Age. The headline that grabbed my attention for obvious reasons is:

"Huge shifts ahead after financial titans fall:
Investment banks took ever-greater risks on esoteric investment"

As I read, I found myself wondering why the reporters chose to use terminology easily recognized by anyone familiar with the intentional move toward global governance and new spirituality?
Is it simply hip and cutting edge journalism? The purpose of all media is first and foremost to communicate with its audience.

"dramatic reconfiguration"
"esoteric investments"
"icons of investment banking"
"some shifts are already evident"
"the emergence of a handful of giant, global firms"
"cultural shift"
"The new management, analysts say, will emerge from the ranks of commercial bankers."

- I say, who's the phoenix???

The writers also chose sub-headings that would be “attention grabbers”, for any of us
who read and study about end times as recorded in the Bible.

"Three out of five fallen"

“Three of the five free-standing investment banks have fallen. Bear Stearns was sold at a fire sale, 158-year-old Lehman Brothers went bankrupt and Merrill Lynch is being acquired by Bank of America. The surviving titans, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, remain under pressure and have been weighing their options.”

"Birth of a new system?"

“Whether these changes portend a permanent remaking of Wall Street remains uncertain. The answer could turn in part on whether the government's rescue plan announced Friday succeeds. If the massive bailout fails, the destruction wrought on global financial markets could be staggering, ultimately clearing the way for the birth of a new system.”

My conclusion? I believe the Lord is alerting us as to the sound of approaching hoofbeats. Elijah…consider the ravens… -Rudi
To: Old Man of the Ski

Can't tell you how much I enjoyed your Greek - Aramaic "P" on all analysis. I'm still giggling over your "sentiments exactly", that is if I interpreted you correctly?

To the Anonymous poster leaving the Solana schedule update. THANKS! I've been working on lots of other things and Dr. Solana had a short reprieve fom me -- glad you were on the case!

Thursday and Friday I was at the State Bar of Michigan convention -- received some encouragement, even from a Michigan State Representative who told me about a former law partner of mine who gave him information necessary to understand the "hidden dangers" of the New Age. The State Rep who I had not formerly met brought another person to meet me and discuss the New Age Movement.

Thanks be to God! I needed that encouragement! We are in extremely serious times indeed!

To Rudi:

THE CHANGE AGENT NETWORK? Yes! "Where the circles meet" --

I am reminded of Barbara Marx Hubbard, a participant who is extremely close to Paul N. Temple, and her 1988 Seattle statement in the event hosted by Fritz Hull that "now all the resonating core groups with outwardly purposes are merging and blending and coming together to do the one work . . . ."

It's here! We need to stay strong in God!

I found a fascinating internet article in European Affairs by Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff-- it purported, at least, to be by him. Right smack in the middle of the article was a paragraph that obviously did not belong there that was obviously a Javier Solana paragraph about the then hoped for Lisbon Treaty. Other parts of the article alluded to "extremists" using modern technology (i.e. blogspots? the internet?) to their advantage -- something also that I recognized from past Solana speeches and writings. The paragraph tucked in Chertoff's article may be found at this website (HURRY AND ARCHIVE IT -- IT WILL SURELY DISAPPEAR)

"What matters is that the treaty saves the most important institutional changes needed to make the EU more efficient in terms of decision-making. Crucial points include the extension of qualified-majority voting (even then, many areas will still require unanimity: tax harmonization, defense, and even the Common Foreign and Security Policy, migration, parts of commercial policy, future reductions in the number of Commissioners, any extension of the Commission President’s powers). In making this change, the most contentious issue was the plan to shift to a new “double majority” (requiring 55 percent of EU member states representing 65 percent of the EU population for a “majority”). This complex procedural question included a new calculation for the number of votes allocated to each member state in decisions by the European Council. Poland set out to be the spoiler, vehemently opposing the new voting formula because it would enhance German power to the detriment of smaller members, notably Poland and Spain. The adjustment seemed reasonable to most Europeans: Poland’s population only comprises about eight percent of the EU total of 490 million, compared to Germany’s 17 percent, yet Poland under the old (and still temporarily prevailing system) has had nearly as many votes as Germany. (Out of a total of 345 votes, Poland had – and retains until 2014 – 27 votes compared to the 29 each of Germany and the other largest countries.) The Nice Treaty, which allocated the old voting quotas, also established a threefold requirement for majority (states, population and weighted votes) that favored smaller and medium-sized states (such as Poland) in a way that ensured that the three biggest members had no blocking minority. Most EU member states agreed that this needed to be changed (with the new “double majority” voting formula) to facilitate majority voting in the expanded 27-member bloc. After the summit, the EU has a road map to this slightly-streamlined system."

Actually if you are sure of the start and stop dates you can be empowered to do more. Daniel predicted the exact time the Messiah would come the first time. He also "saw" the prophecy by Jerimiah regarding the 70 years. When you look at the past and see prophecies fulfilled you(I anyways)get excited that God lets His children know the times. As a follower of Yeshua I am watching as the end draws near and more boldly can tell people the gospel since I can see the current events happening as God said they would.

Daniel predicted the exact day by the 70 7's.
Just to add to it, similarly for those that read and study the prophecies get excited, it is also empowering to stay close to God as Constance just said when you are a watcher of the other team through your peripheral vision. Being here is keeping one eye on the enemy, unfortunate for them we know the end game.
oops, forgive my spelling.

Just food for thought, per your 3:34 comments. Could this bailout bill possibly be the birth of the new monetary system you eluded to?

This online book is interesting so far, and I haven't progressed very far through it yet. It concerns the timing of the rapture. The way things are going, maybe everyone who is going will be gone before there is enough time to read the book!
Speaking about books, the other day I debated getting the Course in Miracles book, to read up on it, and the other two books combined into it. Then I came across a John Walvoord book, Every Prophecy in the Bible, so I picked that up instead. I figured it would be a better read. (I only skimmed it; I am working my way through Golda Meier's autobiography.)
Hi Rudi,

You have us (me at least) at the edge of our seats regarding your intriguing 3:21 comment. What do you think Obama is a decoy for? Mc Cain? Or Solana? Or what?

Is the idea to have the media scare people with messiah/antichrist stuff so they'll vote for McCain instead? McCain and Palin seem more likely to draw the US into another major conflict that will start WW3 than Obama, INHO. It's that Bush Doctrine thing that Palin couldn't describe in her interview. The two of them being pro-life inevitably have roused the base, just as Bush was able to rouse Christians to vote for him. I've often said that the devil must be laughing his head off that so many Christians voted for Bush, since in fact Bush has done more to potentially harm Christians in the future then any other President in history with his fight against religious extremism and the Patriot Act.

On the other hand, an Obama presidency puts us on the fast track to NWO Completion. (This is a pun, BTW, see link below.)

Anyhow, is that what you meant? Mc Cain's code name according to the media is Phoenix, but I figured that had something to do with Arizona.

So if the media scares people who were going to vote Democratic because of the failed Bush administration (that would be me), then they would go back to the GOP and vote McCain to avoid imminent Armageddon. McCain gets elected and we go to war with Iran. Constance's Solana scenario has taken place and people respect him for having a hand in the interim peace processing in Jerusalem. Is that what you mean? Or something else? Others weigh in here, too, please.

The more I look at Obama, the more I see a huge corrupt phony and a type of antichrist figure. But THE antichrist? I don't think so as much lately. It's almost too obvious. Yesterday I promised my son I'd watch Obama's nomination speech if my son would read Jill Stanek's website. So I watched the speech last night and almost fell asleep-it was that boring.

The best thing about the whole Democratic convention week was a video clip that the Daily Show did the night Obama made his speech. If you haven't watched it, here goes...

I thought it was a hoot, especially the messianic implications through the dirty ole Disney movie, Lion King.

One last thought is that I did think Obama might be the A-Man way before the media or anyone else started talking about his ONEness. I don't know what to think anymore but all I know is that in just a few short months the world has become a much more uncomfortable place for Christians to live in.

We are living in end times, but how long is left remains to be seen.
If you think about it, in order for them to force us to use a different monetary system they have to make the money we use now worthless... which is what we saw on wall street last week I'm thinking...

another thought... with the "Your anti black if you don't vote for Obama" rhetoric that is coming from the AP one would think that the sheep that follow the AP/OB are being groomed for a racial W A R if OB is not elected.


We certainly seem to be farther along than any of us might have guessed! Below are links regarding NASA's Blue Beam Project; and an interesting explanation of the role PsyOps forces have played (and possibly, will play) in any future warfare.

Note the planned date of 10/14 for the (staged), but, very real seeming UFO appearance (NASA Blue Beam).

Note also, that the author of the Blue Beam text noted that an economic collapse or near-collapse could herald the start of chipped, monetary system and the readiness for the appearance of "saviors" from beyond!
The Destruction of Those Who Believe in the Bible or Worship Jesus Christ?

and note the chilling statement of how easy it is "now"! to be able to beam info of seeming reality into people's heads.
Nasa's Project Blue Beam - NWO (Part 1 of 2) and then, onto Part 2

I also include another video on the Blue Beam Project --although the author displays her non-Christianity by using such trade phrases as how we can all access "the light within," saying that she "respects all beliefs," and ending her audio with "namas-te" (sp?) a Hindu phrase supposedly acknowledging the "divinity" in us all.

Her fault and downfall is in thinking that she can be "of this world" and still escape what she realizes is coming through her own intellect (humanism).

An aside, is this does come to pass, it's interesting that it will occur during the Jewish time of Sukkot. According to some information I pulled up, in addition to living in booths, Jews reenact a ceremony that was orininally observed in the Temple--that of "The Four Species."

Observant Jews are to take an etrog (citrus plant),a palm-branch, three myrtle branches and two willow branches. They are held together in the right hand and waived while one recites a blessing. The motion used to waive the bundles is much like that given to the Israelites to appoint the lamb's blood over their lintels.

These four plants are also held during processions around the Torah pedestal in the synagogue. Since Jews are currently bereft of their Temple; this ceremony commemorates similar processions there.

Interesting to note, is that the processions are called "Hoshanahs", because while processing, the people recite a prayer with the refrain, "Hosha na!" (please save us!).

If this demonic monstrosity comes to pass, we will all need that prayer.
Oh dear - young grasshopper,
I didn’t mean to be so dramatic. Gore’s talk gave me something to think about as it related to Obama. Because I am aware of his high level involvement in global governance circles,
(not only related to our so called “planetary emergency” but, in political and “spirituality” areas as well), I allowed my mind to wonder how these same military strategies could be used by the powerful to bring about a desired outcome in a non-military setting. I directed my comments around Barack Obama because first and foremost I have thought from the beginning, from all corners it has been WAY too obvious.
That alone IMHO eliminates any need for Jesus to have warned believers about the possibility of being deceived. The entire media madness surrounding him and his “messianic” qualities has reminded me of the tricks done by magicians when they get even a huge audience focused in one area in order to misdirect and miss what is happening right in front of them. I used “decoy” meaning it as the possibility of all focus on Obama while something is happening we don’t see. I have no idea who will win the election or what is going to
be happening five minutes from now. Events are transpiring SO fast in so many areas. What we think we know one day based on one set of circumstances, can be flipped up-side-down in a heartbeat. I am aware of at least five individuals now living whose genealogies and background have been scrutinized to the smallest detail who, in many ways exhibit characteristics of the antichrist. All the information is compelling. Don’t stop reporting what you find. You have provided so much valuable information on Barack Obama and I appreciate it very much. I’m just watching and praying like we all are, trying not to worry about tomorrow – each day has enough trouble of its own. -Rudi
Jesus said, “When you see …then you’ll know.
Wondering out loud -
The bible says in Revelation "Babylon is fallen, is fallen......"
I wonder if we are witnessing Babylon's 1st fall-?

Where in the world is Javier Solana? Here's today's itinerary:


New York (USA)

United Nations General Assembly

Meeting of the Ad Hoc Liaison Committee (AHLC) (Support to Palestinian Authority)

Meeting with President of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe

Meeting with Minister of Foreign Affairs of Indonesia, Noer Hassan Wirajuda

Meeting with Head of UN Genocide Prevention Advisory Group, David Hamburg
I wonder if they plan to expose Sarah Palin to Javier Solana at the UN. My educated guess is that they will. Pray for her during this time.

Regarding the "Sharia" / Islamic court. This is not as uncommon or unprecedented as one thinks. Private arbitration can be stipulated by parties and it will be held up by courts. "beatings, stonings, death . . . would not be upheld." More likely would be issues of property division, custody, parenting time arrangements. The troubling question would be if pressure was put on one party to agree. I commonly see agreements in court that a party must agree (in Jewish marriages and divorces particularly) a rabbinical dissolution of the marriage so the other party is free to remarry.

Chancery courts developed in Europe from Christians who did not feel they could conscientiously go through the pagan legal system.

The precedent here is that two adult people with religious scruples can stipulate to submit their dispute to church authorities for resolution and that the resolution will be binding.

Sorry, this is the lawyer coming out in me!
I just found this on Fox...
Palin is going to be in NYC this week... we defiantly need to pray for Sarah

"According to a Palin campaign aide, this Wednesday in separate meetings Palin will meet with Iraqi President Talabani, President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvelli; President of the Ukraine, Victor Yuschenko; Pakistani President Zardari, and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

She will also meet with rock star and humanitarian, Bono on Wednesday.

As previously reported, on Tuesday she will meet with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, and Dr. Kissinger in separate meetings.

The meetings will be in New York and coincide with the United Nations’ General Assembly which attracts leaders from all over the world. "

Palin Draws Crowd of 60,000 in Florida...

Prominent Feminist admits "Abortion is Murder" but "I Am a Firm Supporter"

nature has a master plan pushing every species toward procreation and that it is our right and even obligation as rational human beings to defy nature's fascism. Nature herself is a mass murderer, making casual, cruel experiments and condemning 10,000 to die so that one more fit will live and thrive.

Sounds like NA rethoric to me.

Fact: I have been noticing here in Calif. many cars with the EU flag. Some men came into my husbands work and had the logo on their hats.
One World Currency By 2010?-
"On Wednesday, finance chiefs of five of the six-member, oil-rich Gulf Cooperation Council approved a proposal to create a monetary union as a move toward adopting a single currency, according to the AFP."
"The six Islamic states constituting the Gulf Cooperation Council are Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Oman pulled out of the agreement last year."
"Five states in the compact have agreed to set 2010 as the target date for the creation of a monetary union and the adoption of common currency."
"The monetary union will entail the creation of a central bank to issue the single currency."

Link to article here:

Things are speeding up so much! Ten years ago, I just couldn't fathom how it would be possible to create a single world-wide currency. I have family in the banking industry and THEY couldn't fathom a single currency! Looking at the financial situation today, it's mind-boggling how quickly they are accomplishing the goal of "inter-dependency".
Curiously, Dr. Solana arrived in the U.S. on Thursday, the 18th, the day before Tony Blair began teaching his "Faith and Globalization" class at Yale.

What are the odds.



From another forum:

"Bob Pisani is reporting traders are remarking this morning that it doesn’t matter so much who is elected to be our next President. The real question is who is going to be the next Treasury Secretary."

You may want to look a bit deeper into Palin's past. She does have a stong connection with AoG that is heavily involved in Joel's Army and the Latter Rain movement. We can't pick on Obama and his church affiliation without pointing out her's. Oh, and I came out of an AoG (praise God) through prayer and discernment. Through that discernment I've found this website and many of the others we probably all check in on. AoG is into some very, very questionable principles and the ones around here have become very seeker sensitive and word of faith.


I was thinking the same thing about the new money system, but you would think we would have to be given an equivalent value exchange for or liquid money (even if it devalued to mere cents).

Oil jumped on fears of the bailout. Is it me or do people speculate on oil for fear of someone in the room passing gas- all pun intended!

JB in CO
Baroness Warnock: Elderly with Dementia have a "Duty to Die"

Baroness Warnock, called the "philosopher queen", is regarded as Britain's leading moral philosopher. She said that she hopes people will soon be "licensed to put others down" who have become a burden on the health care system.

JB in CO
the model used would probably be along the lines of when the EU started - but if the dollar is worthless - what would you seek in exchange?
Sorry JB - should have signed it -

To All:

Does anyone know anything about this? A friend just sent my this in an e-mail message.

Satanic Teachings of Oprah's Guru Linked to Barack Obama

MEDIA ADVISORY, September 22

/Christian Newswire/ -- In a series of essays published at, author Robert Bowie Johnson Jr. presents evidence that Barack Obama is directly linked to Satanic teachings through his close association with Oprah Winfrey, who parrots and relentlessly promotes, worldwide, the anti-Christian doctrine of her guru, Eckhart Tolle. A summary:

Michelle Obama has written that Oprah Winfrey is the one who challenges her and Barack "to make the world as it is the world as it should be," calling her a "global role model," and "the first to show us how it can be done."

To change the world, forming a global "new kind of tribe," Oprah, in turn, relies upon the virulently anti- Christian teaching of her pathologically narcissistic guru, Eckhart Tolle.

Tolle, in turn, relies on a spirit or force he calls the "Source" which he says resides within him, Oprah, and all others who believe as Oprah does.

Tolle's "Source" tells him and Oprah that the word of the God of the Bible cannot be trusted, that there is no death, and that he and Oprah both are as God, able to say of themselves, "I Am That I Am." These things that the "Source" has told Tolle and Oprah are the same things the ancient serpent told Eve in the garden. According to Scripture, Satan is another name for the ancient serpent.

"The voting public has a right to know to what degree Barack Obama, who has called himself a 'committed Christian,' considers himself and his wife to be integral parts of Oprah's and Tolle's New Age global tribe, a tribe that has adopted the "wisdom" of the ancient serpent as its own," Mr. Johnson said.

Please see Satan/ Oprah/

The author is available for interviews.

Yes, I would assume it would be similar to the Euro in Europe with us having the Amero or something like it. I was not very interested in politics or religion and was a new ager when Europe went to the Euro, and haven't researched what they did as far as the exchange went. I would be interested to know how it affected each country individually.


I would think anything that is connected to Oprah (in a spiritual way) to be satanic. Marrian Williams and her Course in Miracles, Ekhart Tolle. If anyone denies Jesus Christ as The Christ is from the evil one, and they obviously do. I do not know the relationship between Obama and Oprah. When I read between the lines it makes me think that Oprah wants to help him, but is trying to not come across with a racial preferrence. I agree the sheeple need to know what he truly believes, but I personally thought "W" was a christian. My mother actually has a friend whos daughter works in the white house and is part of the "prayer" party that prays for him and his ilk daily. I am unaware of this prayer party has always existed or was started when he took office. My point is, is that all politicians lie about anything to help them progress. You just can't be in politis and not lie.
Doug in MI,

You said, "You may want to look a bit deeper into Palin's past. She does have a stong connection with AoG that is heavily involved in Joel's Army and the Latter Rain movement. We can't pick on Obama and his church affiliation without pointing out her's. Oh, and I came out of an AoG (praise God) through prayer and discernment. Through that discernment I've found this website and many of the others we probably all check in on. AoG is into some very, very questionable principles and the ones around here have become very seeker sensitive and word of faith."

Could you enlighten those of us who attend AofG churches what those questionable principles are?

I have no idea what Latter Rain or Joel's army is, and why you think it's dangerous, and I'm sure I'm not alone here.
to anonymous,

there are more, but I hope this will do. I am not here to debate this and by all means I could be wrong and I cannot throw the first stone, but please do not put any faith in any man except the Lord Jesus. Pray for discernment (which I'm sure we all do, your eyes start to open and the discomfort with those you trusted starts).

JB in CO
To Anonymous, I did not refer to Palin's past JB in CO did - but I am familiar with Joel's endtime army and the latter rain movement - dominionism to the core.

To Anonymous, I did not refer to Palin's past JB in CO did - but I am familiar with Joel's endtime army and the latter rain movement - dominionism to the core.

I'm back after several days away due to a medical problem. Watching the television I saw an ad for this.

Should we be concerned?

Hi Dorothy -
hope you are feeling better- or actually better -
Thta is an intersting sight -
I want to take a closer look - just can not do it now.
Well - the NAU paperwork was signed years ago by Bush - so - it is just a matter of time now.

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