Thursday, July 31, 2014

Who is "Queeny Cameron"? Her lies are outstandingly extravagant -- but funny!


UPDATE:  I'm continuously updating this breaking story, so refresh your browser often.  I've found the second video explaining part of the problems with this woman.  It appears she may have once had a personal relationship with somebody and was somewhat of a woman scorned.  Her real name is "Donna" (I have yet to learn her last name.)  

CORRECTION:  THE SECOND VIDEO IS NOT THE ONE I THOUGHT I POSTED.  Let's try this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67WuC20YGc4

There is a most dishonest purveyor of lies and disinformation out and about.  Her claimed name is "Queeny Cameron."  I rather suspect that is her pseudonym or "handle."  I've never spoken to her and so far I know very little about her, but I know she is dishonest to the extreme.  The chances that she is or ever has been a Christian are very, very remote.   Among the more interesting "facts" (none of them true)I've learned from her Youtubes are:

1.  Hillary Clinton considers me her enemy. 
2.  Constance Cumbey is an avid supporter of Hillary Clinton. 
3.  I am backed by Barack Obama and Hillary and Bill Clinton
4.  Chelsea Clinton introduced "my granddaughter" Madeline Cumbey.
5.  I borrowed a million dollars from somebody to oppose Benjamin Creme ads.
6.  Benjamin Creme appeared out of thin air and hypnotized me!

The stories are so ludicrous, I don't know which one to laugh at the loudest.  I saw Benjamin Creme, live in the flesh, at a evening where everybody had to buy tickets to get in the door of the Detroit Unity Center for Holistic Living.  It was held in the very large former Christian Science Church that Detroit Unity Church in Palmer Woods Park, Michigan had purchased for their various seminars and events.  The audience clearly appeared to be under mass hypnosis -- neither I nor several Christian observers I brought with me came under that unfortunate influence he obviously had on most of the rest of the audience.

The video where she makes these outrageous claims may be viewed by clicking here:




Madeline Cumbey is a fine young lady originally from the State of Indiana.  She is no blood relation to me, but she is a first cousin once removed of my son, Stephen Cumbey. That would make me a great aunt.  She has worked intensely on health and physical issues and has been honored by the State of Indiana and even nationally for her work.  She deserves all the credit she gets.  Her parents are fine Christian people who have interested their daughter in health and nutrition issues.  I met her only once -- at my mother-in-law's funeral in 2003.  Madeline was approximately 18 months then.  I would be honored to have her as a granddaughter, but such is not the case.  Until seeing the video with a blanked face, I did not know she had also received honors for her fitness, food, and gardening work.  Madeline's videos are featured by the Children's Museum of Indianapolis, Indiana, and I found them surfing on line -- not by family phone calls.

Until just a few weeks ago, I had never heard of Queeny Cameron.  I was looking for something else and stumbled upon one of her videos.  I was astounded to hear her claim I had "made millions."  Those of you who know me know I have truly done my work over the years on a shoestring and have supported myself by my modest law practice which has suffered greatly in finances, because I can't bill or charge for time I spend doing my equally time consuming work of staying abreast of the New Age Movement.



What is even more interesting to me is that her voice and phraseology about my heart felt congratulations to the British royals on April 29, 2011, for what appeared, in the large, to be a lovely Christian wedding ceremony, sounded identical to that of an active British pagan woman happily boasting that "Constance Clumsy" (her mocking reference to me) was wrong -- the royals were pagan, that voice happily and victoriously then said.   The phraseology and tone of voice were either the same voice, or very, very similar to the voice on the video below.

At any rate, it appears to me that same voice is now claiming to be a critical Christian telling extravagant lies and practicing the same big lie technique that Hitler used.  "Queeny Cameron" reminds me of a female Eustace Mullins -- with even less writing and speaking talent than that purveyor of Jew bashing enjoyed.  I once located a purported facebook page for her and left my phone number, suggesting she might want to fact check with me.  I never heard from her.  

Who is she?  Who is backing her?  I would appreciate your insights as well as prayers for me.  Years ago when I was young and running political campaigns, I could always tell when I was winning.  The opponents would circulate fantastic slanderous rumors.  I'm thankful that God has my back.  I must be doing something right.  It has been said that Satan lets sleeping dogs lie.

Interestingly, a top advisor to British royalty, Sir Martin Palmer, once wrote a book, COMING OF AGE, that gave me lots of unpleasant ink.  It was published by the unquestionably British New Age Aquarian Press.  I got even with him on the cheap with the following review of his book.  I am now so very happy to learn that I am "in like flynn" with the United States Presidency, leading hopefuls, and even British royalty.  Maybe that "ceremony" in my tongue in cheek review of Martin Palmer's book can be held in Buckingham Palace now.  For the record, here is my review of Martin Palmer's book which is posted over at Amazon.com:

One needs a sense of humour as well as honest information to stay abreast of the New Age Movement by whatever current appellation is currently in vogue among its adherents. Martin Palmer claims to be knowledgeable. There is not a doubt in my mind that he knows far more about it than this reviewer -- FROM INSIDE -- a vantage point he vociferously denies under the covers of at least this particular book. That the information is accurate or honest is debatable! I found his book, 10 years newer than my own pioneering book on the subject, THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW, on the "50% off lowest advertised price" on the remainder table of a USA Barnes & Nobles bookstore. It did not escape my radar that the book was published by the unquestionably "New Age" Aquarian Press! Of course, he had little use for me. In fact, as I recall the reading, he said he had spent so much time on my book because it was the first book to come from "THAT STABLE OF CHRISTIANITY." Of course, since my Lord Jesus according to gospel accounts came from a stable, I'll take that as a sort of backhanded compliment. Now Martin Palmer, a reported advisor to Prince Philip, claims to head a trillion dollar environmental consortium -- churches' moneys, no less. Hug the trees, decimate the human population (anything else is "speciesism" no doubt), adore the rocks and crystals, recognize the god in all (except the actual creator), no doubt. Well, look upon the bright side, as the USA evangelical purveyors of disinformation acted by largely copying my work, while shaving the reported true dimensions of the New Age Movement (unlike the Catholics who at least to some extent admitted it had taken root in their institution and cleaned house by sweeping out Matthew Fox [too bad they missed Basil Pennington and Thomas Berry]) at least Palmer gave me lots of ink. Well, I suppose his less than flattering portrayal of my work means I have no realistic expectation of winning the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion. If I did, I suppose the reception would have to held somewhere other than Buckingham Palace and the prize given by someone other than Prince Philip. Well, c'est la vie. So glad it's God ultimately judging me and NOT Martin Palmer. He accused me of quoting from that most dangerous of biblical books, "THE BOOK OF REVELATION." Well, certainly he probably has not crossed that "dangerous" line of even reading it himself. Had he done so, he would have paused at the clear warnings of Revelation 14:6-9 before making such foolhardy statements: "FEAR GOD AND GIVE GLORY TO HIM FOR THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT IS COME -- WORSHIP GOD WHO CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH, THE SEAS AND THE FOUNTAINS OF WATERS. . ."
It seems Martin Palmer is worshipping just about everything and everybody but the good LORD who created all.
Oh, and one more thing. It was so very good of Martin Palmer to reveal that he and not John Paul II was the real culprit behind the ever so syncretistic Assisi Council of 1986. He says in this book that he organized same on behalf of Prince Philip. Thanks for the insights!
May God have mercy on the poor deluded soul of "Sir" Martin Palmer!

Stay in prayer and stay tuned, and remember to keep your sense of humor.  God gave it to us as a safety valve -- to help us stay sane!




CONSTANCE

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Queeny Cameron is the person who runs Britain, of course - an amalgam of The Queen and Prime Minister David Cameron. If you want to google her, try also "Queenie Cameron" which returns four times as many hits.
 
A new law imposing restrictions on users of social media has come into effect in Russia. It means bloggers with more than 3,000 daily readers must register with the mass media regulator, Roskomnadzor, and conform to the regulations that govern the country's larger media outlets. Internet companies will also be required to allow Russian authorities access to users' information. It includes measures to ensure that bloggers cannot remain anonymous, and states that social networks must maintain six months of data on its users. The information must be stored on servers based in Russian territory, so that government authorities can gain access.

Quoted from

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28583669
 
Well, I've never been guilty of being anonymous on line . I'll check out the googling for "Queenie Cameron" as well as "Queeny Cameron". I probably wouldn't do so well with the Russian regulations. I allow anonymous posters, but I choose not to be anonymous myself.

Constance
 
Here's another video link I found on her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEJumlUlYjo
 
With a little more research, I've discovered that Thomas Gambill knew her as "Donna." It's been a long time since I've talked with him, but I'm going to try to reach him to see what he can share with me and what either her motives or true agenda might be.

Constance
 
So as not to bore others who aren't bothered about New Age control, but just to let those still interested, know things connected to it are going on, here's a sentence from an article I just read. Dig the article out yourself if you are interested. "The debate concerns the role of the social sciences in Western societies in the future. Since we Americans or Canadians or English or Australians might object to the planned shifts in society and the use of education to consummate the shift just as the Fabians imagined, we get lied to."
 
I believe that Queeny Cameron is the lady who I noticed putting up videos making unpleasant accusations against two Christians, one of whom you know, Constance, because you were featured in
his movie 'Aquarius - Age of Evil', namely Keith 'Truth' Thompson. The other is a very sweet, very intelligent guy named Chris White who has appeared on Dr Stan's Radio Liberty. He is a former New Ager who made that wonderful film debunking David Icke and exposing him just beautifully and laying out once again the true nature of the New Age.
 
Found the link the 2:43 challenger gave us:

http://tinyurl.com/kzxvfmx

Interesting article.

Constance
 
To Anonymous:

My mailbox was literally flooded with those giving "Queeny Cameron"
and her bizarre representations some credence. I'm sorry it does not concern you, but it concerned them and it concerns me. The BIG LIE technique worked for a tragic time and season for Hitler and I think her's which is especially prolific on the Youtube web needs to be nipped in the bud.

Constance
 
Here's the inside room for GELP mentioned in the article it was suggested we search out and I gave you the tinyurl link for that.

http://gelponline.org/

GELP stands for GLOBAL EDUCATION LEADERS PROGRAM.

Constance
 
Here's the inside room for GELP mentioned in the article it was suggested we search out and I gave you the tinyurl link for that.

http://gelponline.org/

GELP stands for GLOBAL EDUCATION LEADERS PROGRAM.

Constance
 
CISCO which is a heavy force behind the coming ominious INTERNET OF EVERYTHING is also behind GELP.

Constance
 
I see one of the GELP groups includes "Yoga and Meditation".

WHAT A SURPRISE-- NOT!!!

Constance
 
Constance, I had no doubt you would find it. Putting a section of words into a word search will show where on the web it is. You do have to use quotes around the word group. Maybe now that you've mentioned it, others will comment on it. There are major efforts going on to force individuals to be afraid to think outside the allowed views. Efforts include pressure from the outside to conditioning the way citizens view social problems. There are six major organizations that control almost all of the media in the US. If they get control over the internet, where will we be allowed to get information.
 
That video is laughable.
I love it when she says that one can "tell just by looking at the Romanov children that they are of the royal line of David"! What?
Wow! I didn't realize things were that easy and simple.
Come to think of it, as I look in the mirror, it's very obvious now that I, Paul Farrar, am a descendent of
Bill and Melinda Gates. The cheekbones are practically identical. There is no doubt.

 
Paul,

Please share your BIG Gates inheritance with the rest of us!

Thanks for that post. We needed a humorous break!

Constance

 
I purchased the KINDLE edition of REDESIGNING EDUCATION last night after reading this and checking out the site. Alice Bailey would have been so very proud of GELP!

Constance

 
Paul,

Of course you know that your newly discovered "Gates lineage" makes you my NEW BEST FRIEND!!!!! :-)
 
Time to give major credit to the woman who has been laboring to expose what is going on in the field of education. Now you already have a link to her columns.
http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/tag/cfsc-communication-for-social-change/
Her book is
Credentialed to Destroy: How and Why Education Became a Weapon - Paperback – October 12, 2013
by Robin S Eubank.

It is hard and serious reading because it is so academically detailed.

New Age is burning down our world. The enemy is huge and powerful. More people are needed to look at what New Age is doing and not just examining the different bows that can be used by the fiddler. There are many fighting New Age, but often they don't use the term because they don't know of its connection to the information they have gathered and shared. Consequently they don't get together because they don't realize they have a common enemy.

Anything any individual can do to show the connections to the big New Age picture is doing a service to their fellow man.
 
Did anyone see the video of Queeny and Keef Twoof


QUEENY CAMERON AND KEEF TWOOF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H96eM0AS9XU

See also:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5fQH7LQdlLB36UrRrETMUQ


What's up with these?
 
UK Government has agreed to fund three new Rudolf Steiner free schools.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28598342

~ K ~
 
Based on the number of views those Queeny videos have, are they really a threat to anyone's image? Giving any attention to them puts those who seriously expose New Age in the position of looking like foolish people who need to look under rocks to find opposition to New Age.

Go visit any alternative bookstore like Quimbys (http://www.quimbys.com/store/)in Chicago, found in gentrifying neighborhoods and you'll find truckloads of material produced by these little rebels Against The Man. Books, cartoon, self-published pamphlets, artwork, doodads, jewelry, etc.

Many years ago I went to Quimbys because they carried many alternative political publications. I was able to get new insights on the New Age network. No longer. Yes there are some publications that have a connection with New Age now, but at the most simplistic levels.

What I do find surprising is that there has been a growth in interest in bound comic books from places like Quimbys. I'm not talking about sex-themed ones. I was surprised to find many different ones at Powells, a bookstore for primarily used academic books, a place frequented by students from the University of Chicago. While these may encourage alternative views of reality, they do not expose any of the deeper levels of the New Age networks.

Checking out Queeny nonsense no one will find the deeper organized levels of New Age.


 
I should have said support for New Age under rocks.
 
So she also goes by "Queeny Blavatsky" ?
 

(From Wikipedia today)

On this date in 1929:
Jiddu Krishnamurti, believed to likely be the messianic "World Teacher", shocked the Theosophy movement by dissolving the Order of the Star, the organisation established to support him.

_Even he didn't believe it ! LOL
 
Hahahahha to Pauls snippet at 7.56


And the Queeny person and her sidekick seem like a couple of nitwits not worth paying mind to.

From Oz
 
RE:Hahahahha to Pauls snippet at 7.56

DITTO!!!!

I had forgotten about Jiddu Krishnamurti, "The Reluctant Messiah."
 
Dear Constance,

Have you seen these videos? Here is where she mentions you and HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW and things you said about Benjamin Crème.



Pastor Ben Heath (1-2) 666 = CHRISTIAN CROSS - MARK OF SATAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX5KIfOwlTE
______________________________


AQUARIUS - AGE OF EVIL [1-4] Constance Cumbey CONTRADICTIONS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH7uKmXSAmE
________________________________


AQUARIUS - AGE OF EVIL [2-4] Constance Cumbey CONTRADICTIONS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efx_3D-Ok74
_______________________________

Here,Queeny says the "Zodiac belongs to God."

AQUARIUS - AGE OF EVIL [3-4] Constance Cumbey CONTRADICTIONS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acgZpxU8K_M
____________________________


AQUARIUS - AGE OF EVIL [4-4] Constance Cumbey CONTRADICTIONS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn3BzMlqrP0
________________________________
 
http://www.constantinereport.com/the-occult-nazi-roots-of-mircea-eliade/
 
Susanna,

Whoever made those videos for whatever motive -- how sick! I don't know if they are videos from Queeny Cameron aka Sarah or against her, but they are sick. Thanks for letting me know.

Constance
 
I've ordered Robin Eubanks book.

Constance
 
The problem, Dorothy, with Queeny is that there are, unfortunately, people who knew her formerly who are taking her seriously and I have received substantial number of emails demanding I respond to it.

Constance
 
Then I suggest you do respond, before you get denounced for not responding, which would be evidence that you are hiding something, afraid, guilty, whatever.

You could start your own youtube channel for free if each posting is 15 minutes or less. you can also monetize it and get some money every time someone clicks on the ad (make sure the ad appears). however if you do this you have no control over what kind of ads run, so it might not be a good idea.

This youtube thing would let you get your observations out there to a larger audience probably. commenting on current events and presenting the NA NWO big picture that very few present very well.
 
I've ordered Robin Eubanks book too.

And I just finished reading "Blood On The Altar"
by Thomas Horn as well as a number of other co-authors to this book which is subtitled "The Coming War Between Christian vs. Christian".
It has a lot of interesting conjecture in it and some
very interesting facts, coupled with conjecture, but the basic premise of a soon war between Christians, only reminds me that I believe in a pre Tribulation Rapture and this Great Apostasy that we seem to be in the doorway of, is the reason that I don't see such a war happening until the current
body of true believers in the world is taken out of the way. THEN, all the things in this book will likely happen, i would think.
I like the chapter entitled "A New Theory" by Michael Lake, which points out some fascinating
facts of nature which have recently been re-visited, such as the Schumann Resonance, which was discovered in 1953, and which I'd love to hear what Physicist has to say anything about.
Apparently the strings in String Theory vibrate ?

Susanna,
The Gates haven't gotten back to me yet, so hold that thought.
 
Constance, all you are doing is giving that very arrogant person more publicity by putting it on your blog. You do realize you could write up a piece and send it personally to those who might have written to you. Based on the number of views those videos have, I doubt very much any academically or seriously inclined person takes them seriously. All you are doing is distracting from serious research on New Age. Is this blog about to totally become turned over to nut cases when it should be about the serious side of New Age?

Of course the answer is well it's Constance's blog. I say no. It was set up witn the purpose of attracting those who wanted more information about New Age and not just personal matters. I notice you didn't answer other writers who questioned your credentials.

My guess is that you ran across them on wow.com which presents a list of Wikipedia articles on individuals, etc. It's quite a good resource, though given what we aren't supposed to know.
 
"Based on the number of views those videos have, I doubt very much any academically or seriously inclined person takes them seriously. "

TILT!

who cares what academic or seriously inclined people think? it is the masses that you have to reach, the masses who are being conditioned and led and who will vote, with ballots and with what they contribute to or spend on.

sure right now the viewership isn't that much. But I think you could do something valuable by getting a youtube channel. And I noticed doing some quick research that her buddy seems to be a satanist. go figure.

"serious research on the New Age" this person never defines what that is.

"personal matters" this "personal matter" is very much relevant to Constance's work on the New Age, which is a multifarious tentacled monster, one of whose tentacles has made itself known.

Serious research is big picture stuff like the complainer has no appreciation of. Frankly I suspect this person to be a New Age agent him or herself, every time something New Age serious or definitions come up, or tools to fight it on its own turf in the minds of its members or potential converts is presented, anonymice holler.
 
Christine, how did you access the entire article. I can't find a link to it. I can only access the preface at that site.

Mircea Eliade probably did more to bring on the New Age movement in the area of academic religion than anyone else. He was a very prolific writer in the Divinity School at the Rockefeller connected University of Chicago. His background before he came there was with the anti-communist Nazi connected Iron Guard during WWII. Like many of that type coming to America he professed how wrong he was and that gave him a free pass.

I became interested when going through books at Powells I came across an academic occult themed book by Ion Culianu. That led me to Mircea Eliade. At that time there were rumors of a Nazi cell at the University of Chicago. The combination of interest in the occult and Nazi fascism had to be explored to the best of my limited ability. Recently I read Red Horizons a book about Romanian politics and the control they was held of the people. God help us if are forced to live in that kind of world. We would appreciate more the freedom, however limited now, that we have.

I can do no better than pass this article on to you. It is about the killing of Ion Culianu. http://linguafranca.mirror.theinfo.org/9209/culianu.html

Ted Anton also wrote the book
Eros, Magic, and the Murder of Professor Culianu. I don't think it's as succinct as the article. I had read about Ted Anton's research for the book in The Reader, a free publication distributed in the Chicago area. I contacted him to give him some information on the extent of the New Age movement.

Although the article says Culiano's research was beyond New Age, anyone who knows the political connections of New Age will question that.
 
Just as I ignore you generally Christine, I also ignore the mounds of writings by people who say New Age is just a conspiracy theory. The average person has absolutely no knowledge of New Age and couldn't care less what anyone says about it. The closest they come to hearing the words comes when describing it as some sort of opposition to their professing Christianity. If you asked them what the New Age movement is, they would say something like "It's bad." So skip the TILT. The academic and political areas are where to find control of what Mary and John think. The manipulation comes from the networks at that level, the networks that teach the average person what to think. They don't need to get down to Mary and John to bring New Age about. Mary and John will think what the media tells them to think and what their minister tells them to think.

Good grief woman, have you never done a visual profile of how the UN gets the levels to impact on each one down the line until it reaches Mary and John? Think Farmer in the Dell with you being the cheese.

Christine, you follow leads whether they are good or bad. You have no discernment. Every once in a while you come up with something interesting, but given the mounds of leads you throw on this blog, you are bound to hit something of importance, even if it isn't original and is the work of others.
 
"Christine, how did you access the entire article. I can't find a link to it. I can only access the preface at that site."

I don't know why, I highlighted and right click "go to ...." and I'm there, you just scroll down from the preface and the article is there.

you might have to click an x in a box that pops up to get rid of the box I think it is asking for donations for the site.

If your zoom page size is set to much above 100% you might have to set it lower to be able to reach the X to get rid of the box.

as for the academics, yes, they are important, but how many of them are honest? career, money, status, blackmail, etc. you have to compete with them for the masses, as well as get the few honest among them to rethink things, and your whole self image and identity can be on the line when you rethink with a view to taking action.
 
Constance, just to let you know what is going on. All of the posts after Christine's link to the Constantine Report have disappeared. What I started to write just after that, but which disappeared, has appeared in the Leave your comment box. I guess we have to go back to copying and saving what we post just in case it disappears again for mechanical reasons of course.
 
I was checking for new comments and those disappeared comments were there. Strange.
 
Christine, I'm not sure what you are trying to say with that last paragraph.

The agenda is set from the top. Those below on the control chain operate on two levels. The first is trust of their superiors or those who are supposed to know more than they themselves do. The second is go along to get along. Nobody wants to associate with troublemakers, so those who disagree learn to keep their mouths shut.

A side thought. Constance says there are people contacting her asking about the accuracy of the nutcase. Now Constance has been at this for over 30 years. One would think those who have her email address or phone number would be smart enough to know what New Age is about and not to trust nutcases. If the truth about New Age can't get down to those people, just what makes you think it is getting down to the average person, even people that know Constance.

In 30 plus years I've come across maybe five people who know what New Age networks are operating, and these tend to be the more intellectual types. For all of the access to information coming through the internet for the average person, other the tea parties there has been no rebellion, and even tea party people don't go past the national.
 
"In 30 plus years I've come across maybe five people who know what New Age networks are operating, and these tend to be the more intellectual types."

precisely why the masses and any intellectual types online who do youtube need educating on this.

your other issues would be addressed by this, showing them how the people they follow have themselves been misled would undermine trust in them.

some truthers are doing a good job of this last, but they usually have severe flaws or are new age themselves and want to shift allegiance from the more political to the more "spiritual" with themselves in charge, and/or get people who are realizing something is wrong to do nothing but meditate.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnjDjBIyGoQ We've a bit of everything in this vid from Martin Palmer. Thought I'd see what I could see after reading your 'book review' here Constance.

From Oz
 
I wouldn't have come across the five unless I was trying to do that Christine. It is an impossible task when this is the only blog that dealt with that topic. It has gone so downhill as to almost absolutely useless.

Because major media never refer to New Age as such, individuals think it doesn't exist. Anyone talking about it looks like a conspiracy nut to those who can't get beyond the surface. People I thought could help spread information chickened out after talking about it a bit and getting negative feedback.

Where has Constance gotten? Speaking engagements at church groups. Where are her followers? Nowhere to be found. Is there anywhere a group meets to bring others up to date? No way. Have other books been written detailing New Age networks? Only False Dawn by Lee Penn, and that covered only one network though it was excellent. There are huge numbers of books detailing New Age goals, but obviously New Age people never get to the scary level that Inside the New Age nightmare gets, and that one never touches on the political part of New Age. Academics have written about New Age as a new religion, but even that stream of information has died off.

Why didn't I start my own blog or write a book? No following. I don't tie everything to quotes from the Bible, and Christians don't seem to look at the secular parts of New Age. For thirty plus years everyone looks to Constance as the only and key speaker on the New Age movement. I presume she has acted almost always as a solo lawyer and didn't see the need to work in concert with others, except those with big names. Nothing can be done about that now. Nothing more, except piddly efforts, can spread information about the entire New Age movement. Christine, your advice is well meaning and might have made sense thirty years ago, even twenty years ago, but not now.

As a side note to explain how the world works, I came across a title to a book title that spells it out. It's Kiss the Hand That Can Bite You. Some of us didn't learn that lesson fast enough, but too many did unfortunately.


 
starting her own youtube channel might remedy the problem of not much following. use creative tags and she can draw in people who normally wouldn't watch such, and might watch it.
 
To the last "anonymous" who is not anonymous to me. Hardly anybody would define my efforts at "piddly". I've done what I could in the face of almost overwhelming obstacles.

Having to fight these nasty little uncalled for battles between you and fights you have picked with some very good people coming to this blogspot over the years has also slowed me down to no small extent.

I'm not wealthy, nor have I ever resorted to begging for money -- I have pretty much fought this battle out of my own slim pocketbook -- and yes, we did slow them down -- significantly.

Constance
 
Oh baloney Constance. I am saying all that is left of the fight against New Age are piddly little efforts. You took the ball, controlled it and ran with it for 30 plus years. Overs were happy that you did it for them. For 25 years I followed, supplied you with the information I found, put people in touch with you, called your name to the attention of others on Facebook, etc. I did that because you were a professional and I knew others would listen to you when I could be blown off.

The battles I picked were with antisemites, that means Jew haters, who came over from the various sites you posted at and still are on the radio with. You know where that fight has led. You didn't stop their antisemitism, but merely said "take the wheat and leave the chaff" leaving them to go after Jews. Now, as seen by the previous comments, someone is going after Catholics without you interfering, free speech and all that. My guess is that you were willing to trade off your good credentials for access to more information. That was certainly the case with Bjorg. Well look at what I've written as free speech. Since hardly anyone on this blog knows me but they sympathize with you, of course they will jump to your defense. Maybe here I've gotten tired of Kissing the Hand That Can Bite Me.

I may be missing something, but just where you slowed down things is not clear. Somehow, though I don't doubt it has happened, but it never was posted on this blog.

Constance, you are a human being with the same weaknesses as other human beings.

You came across a piece of fantastic information which you shared. I picked up on it in connection with other research I did in the late '70s. As long I was just in the background no problem. I have tried to share what I've found with others over the years. The fact that you were not able to achieve more than I have is not a reflection on you as much as it is on the general sleepiness of the population we are fighting. But I truly doubt that you would have been able to take my role had the situation been reversed.


 
anon 11:30, the NAM is more than any one thing. some of us have different priorities and focusses in fighting it.

Anyone on those antisemitic and racist networks who listens to her and reads her book is going to be exposed to unpleasant facts about their beliefs sooner or later.

Most will probably reject these facts, others will reject their bad ideas.

Meanwhile, some people such as myself, never listen (except once in a while to see what is going on) to any program on microeffect but hers, though I did comment on and approve some good things they had on facebook.

How many out there surfing web based radio Saturday mornings stumble on her program? we don't know.
 
Christine, the Lachman piece you referred to is an example of what I am saying. His book was put out by Quest which is a Theosophical Society book. Politics and the Occult: The Left, the Right, and the Radically Unseen by Gary Lachman I have that book which I picked up at the Theosophical Society. I believe it is an effort to separate all of New Age from the Nazi connection. The details in it are accurate.

Unless individuals know what the entire picture of New Age is, they are unable to understand why they should fight it and thus recognize who the players are. What goes does it to fight parts of one network when the entire picture is much bigger and individuals have no clue who the enemy really is.

I'm not naive to believe what I shared will have any impact anywhere. What I've written will go by the wayside. People checking back in will find another post with comments. If I wrote over and over what I've shared, it might make a difference.

That same reason is why the entire picture of New Age needs to be repeated over and over again. To do that more and more people are needed to spread the message. They are nowhere around.


 
"Christine, the Lachman piece you referred to is an example of what I am saying. His book was put out by Quest which is a Theosophical Society book. Politics and the Occult: The Left, the Right, and the Radically Unseen by Gary Lachman I have that book which I picked up at the Theosophical Society. I believe it is an effort to separate all of New Age from the Nazi connection. The details in it are accurate. "

The operative phrase is,

"The details in it are accurate."

Frankly, given the New Age connections of the book itself, which I didn't know about, this excerpt or article based on the book, makes it all the more useful in discrediting the New Age.

Because it is obvious that there is nothing inherently peaceful, nonracist, or whatever, about mysticism that derives from Blavatsky. or anywhere else for that matter.
 
"Why didn't I start my own blog or write a book? No following."

And why did you have no following? No blog or book.

I recognise that your calling is research rather than publicity but why criticise Constance for taking her foot off the gas? She shares the same view of NA as you and she's not your employee. You need either to find someone else to do the publicising or do it yourself. And, surely, be grateful to Constance for 30 years of informal partnership rather than criticise her because her age and lifestyle mean she has less time and energy? Has she done you any wrong?

Plenty of people recognise your style and know at least your name, and we - certainly I - hope that you will put your work in the public domain by some means of your choosing. It will be wasted otherwise.

By the way, it's me who goes after Catholic doctrines about Mary. I dispute that I am a "Catholic basher" and I am not responsible for the content-free sarcastic comments about Rome. I am a selective "doctrine basher" and I regard these doctrines as gnosticism ie the original New Age. That's why they are appropriate for discussion here - especially in the preceding thread, which was started by an article of Constance's that was specifically about NA in Catholicism. Where Catholics disagree, a dialogue can occur which I take to be "iron sharpening iron" as Solomon put it in Proverbs; that's OK with me. And in case you were wondering, I take the Abrahamic covenant to grant the Jews continuing full political rights in an area corresponding roughly to Mandatory Palestine: I am a protestant Zionist.

 
Dorothy,
You caused more people top leave this blog than anyone else.
I am just one of many whom you mindlessly decided to attack and call an anti semite. I am not. Not even close. You speculated out loud here that I was "probably a cradle anti-Semite", which not only slanders me but my parents, who wouldn't have tolerated any such talk.
It's one thing to have an attack dog in your house but the dog can't be biting the postman and anyone else who comes to the door.
I criticized you on this website a long time ago and you labeled me an anti-Semite. It's frustrating to
have to try to un-detonate that bomb, and there is a whole string of others who ran into you and just
politely got out.


And look here and see what real anti semites look and sound like.
Some of them are Jewish !

http://shoebat.com/2014/08/05/dont-mess-diamond-district-new-york/
 
Sorry Anonymous, you don't know me at all. Yes I research and hundreds of books, file drawers and many boxes of gathered information prove it. My countless trips to all kinds of bookstores and libraries, listening to speakers, reaching out to others proves it. From the very first I wore out three office sized copy machines sending out information on New Age out. That was before the internet. I have posted information on New Age in a huge number of places on the internet and I run a small mailing list, until recently all referring to Constance as the premier researcher. I knew I couldn't make it on my own because the spotlight was on her continuously. No big deal for decades. Getting the information out was the most important thing.

As my connection with Constance goes back to the beginning of the '80s, I know what is going on. I respect her research abilities and have always said so to others. I respect the fact that she has put in huge amounts of time and effort to keep the light on, but as she once said, it also bring law business to her. She is a very likeable person. She is much more technically oriented than I am and has a phenomenal memory.

However, she is not the only one who has put time, money, energy into the battle. My guess is that I'm not the only one who has done so. I may be the only one who hasn't dropped out. Over the years many serious posters have disappeared. I haven't because of the antisemitism in the New Age movement and I know what the Holocaust was about, having a husband who escaped with his immediate family in the last days and whose family members were killed by that occult operation.

I have never used the phrase "cradle anti-semite" so you have the wrong person. But I call them as I see it, not jumping the gun but waiting to see what Constance would do with the poster. It took a lot of ignoring posters with that mindset before I spoke out. Finally I dropped out by name as every time I posted they would come out of the woodwork and attack Judaism rather than what I wrote about New Age. Jew haters are very much like Hamas people in that they have a mindset similar to the cult kind of mentality now found with branches of the Muslims. There is no reasoning with them. Heaven knows the Jews as a group are far from perfect, but that doesn't mean all Jews are (fill in the blank). Having an all-Jews are mentality is is cult style thinking. And yes, I seriously looked at how cults operate, hands on with other serious researchers.

Of course I knew Constance supporters would disagree with me. No big deal. It's just that I see the world in flames thanks to New Age networks and here we get a huge post about some ignorant fools that she feels must be responded to. She has been demeaned by countless know-it-all academics and Christian opposers. Yet she never went after them. I totally dislike having all of my efforts to fight New Age downgraded in such a way. And yes, she has taken her foot off the gas. I haven't. I'm older than her and have had a very stressful life with many, many problems. Through it all I hung in without anyone saying how wonderful I was. If that had been important to me, I would have dropped out a long time ago. The battle is much bigger than cries for sympathy. Here I am mainly discussing the battle against New Age and what has occurred. My words will affect no one I know.
 
Only advice: Don't waste your work. Draw it all together and put it in the public domain. Once it is out you have no way of knowing whom it might influence for the better. Many here would love to see it.

 
Constance,

puzzled/disappointed about Sarah Palin and yoga? its worse than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4uvoMDOM5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjg8M9VSzmY

Palin and Wasilla Assemblies of God Church is New Apostolic Reformation aka Joel's Army aka New Age heresies and blasphemies doctrines you may have heard critiqued already regarding Copeland, the whole thing is Latter Rain, you dealt with this in A PLANNED DECEPTION under the heading of Manifest Sons of God goes back to William Branham who was anti trinitarian. Many of the present ones are not anti trinitarian but all are heretical to some degree, incl. of course in their core concepts.

I think some people have issues, I forget what they are, with Mike Hoggard, but these two videos stand on their own regardless of anything about Hoggard.
 
I've created a facebook group,
https://www.facebook.com/groups/hiddendangersoftherainbow/

to read and discuss this book, A Planned Deception and links to internet archive copies of them and also Fr. seraphim Rose's book with note this is harder to get ahold of.

Maybe some here on facebook can join in.

Maybe Constance can start her own facebook group, but I'd advise against using her usual email addy for the signup facebook has a bad security reputation.
 
Farmer is posting again after long lull.

There are about 4 new posts to view. Latest one 8/5/14 titled Bill Gates-Soros-Solana-Ebola
 
Here, Queeny slams Constance and claims that her connection of the new Age Movement to Nazism is bogus. I am posting all of the videos in this series for everyone to check out.

Apparently, Queeny is ignorant of the Traditionalist School - a.k.a. the radical right wing of the New Age Movement which certainly was connected both with fascism and with Nazism.

It flowed from Dr. Gerard Encausse (a.k.a. Papus ) who was a member of Helena Blavatsky's Theosophical Society, but left to start his own Rosicrucian variation of the theosophical society because he objected to Blavatsky's emphasis of Eastern (Oriental) esotericism at the expense of Western (Occidental) esotericism - including that of pre-Christian pagan Germany.

Jules Doinel who was a close associate of Papus was affiliated with the Parisian branch of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society headed by Lady Caithness. It was at one of her séances that Doinel received the "revelation" that inspired him to found his Gnostic church in which he and Papus functioned as "bishops".....along with Rene Guenon, co-founder of the Traditionalist School who became "bishop" of the Alexandrian branch of Doinel's gnostic church and eventually converted to Sufism......a gnosticised form of Islam.

Queeny is also apparently ignorant of Esoteric Nazism or Esoteric Hitlerism and Savitri Devi, who was called "Hitler's Priestess."

Again, in the following videos, Queeny is contradicting Constance in denying that the New Age Movement has any connections to Nazism. The comments following the videos are also interesting.

ADOLF HITLER RUMORS!!! [1/7] As Told By BLOODLINES of the ILLUMINATI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQuQ4PsysSw

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ADOLF HITLER RUMORS!!! [2/7] As Told By BLOODLINES of the ILLUMINATI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRVMeg3jJoM
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ADOLF HITLER RUMORS!!! [3/7] As Told By BLOODLINES of the ILLUMINATI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGlOr2k7xCY
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ADOLF HITLER RUMORS!!! [4/7] As Told By BLOODLINES of the ILLUMINATI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F5cNByTVI8
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ADOLF HITLER RUMORS!!! [5/7] As Told By BLOODLINES of the ILLUMINATI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PirzLiVxyv8
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ADOLF HITLER RUMORS!!! [6/7] As Told By BLOODLINES of the ILLUMINATI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvc7blUtH7c
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ADOLF HITLER RUMORS!!! [7/7] As Told By BLOODLINES of the ILLUMINATI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96-63HaiPi4
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By the way, Mirces Eliade was reportedly a "closet Traditionalist." He was personally acquainted with and a disciple of Traditionalist Julius Evola. Evola was heavily into the occult and was a fascist and Nazi sympathizer.
 
I have good reason to suspect that Queeny Cameron is involved with the Christian Identity movement which is only nominally Christian and propagates the belief that salvation is by race instead of grace.

One of the offshoots of Christian Identity is a movement called The Creativity Movement:

Creativity is a nontheistic, ethnocentric religion founded in Lighthouse Point, Florida in 1973 by Ben Klassen upon publishing his racial manifesto Nature's Eternal Religion. He further expounded his religious ideology in books such as The White Man's Bible, and Salubrious Living.

Creativity is known for being "antisemitic, racist and... anti-Christian." Ben Klassen described the organizational structure of the Church of the Creator as "monolithic and... authoritarian", although the Anti-Defamation League noted an apparent hierarchy in the religion. The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies its ideology as Neo-Nazi....
read more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)
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Queeny doesn't slam Ben Klassen for being a racist. Jer claim is that Creativity founder Ben Klassen was merely pretending to be of the ARYAN race.

BEN KLASSEN [0/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xA3Pr8NzO0
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BEN KLASSEN [1/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUa5PlebTu8
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BEN KLASSEN [3/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Loxe-B6gA
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BEN KLASSEN [4/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqK7edIUQy0
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BEN KLASSEN [5/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmR2Li0t4nA

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BEN KLASSEN [6/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B43kk-GnLs
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BEN KLASSEN [7/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHFTlD38JPU
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BEN KLASSEN [8/8] Rabbi William Finck & THE CREATIVITY MOVEMENT 501c3 Universalist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5TcNcwUspY
 

More of the racist gospel....where Queeny helps us to understand the demonological differences in the Identity Movement.......

CHRISTIAN IDENTITY [1/2] ISRAELITE IDENTITY - "6th Day Adam" vs "8th Day Adam"? REALLY?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxpTYbqPic
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CHRISTIAN IDENTITY [2/2] ISRAELITE IDENTITY - "6th Day Adam" vs "8th Day Adam"? REALLY?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gqu9QA4MIA

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This series is a gem!!!

CHRISTIAN IDENTITY [1-3] MIXED RACES - "WHICH" HYBRIDS ARE DOOMED, AND WHY? GENESIS 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpDyJ9GS4Ec
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CHRISTIAN IDENTITY [2-3] MIXED RACES - "WHICH" HYBRIDS ARE DOOMED, AND WHY? GENESIS 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB2I201YXog
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CHRISTIAN IDENTITY [3-3] MIXED RACES - "WHICH" HYBRIDS ARE DOOMED, AND WHY? GENESIS 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtHIfALWoQ0
 
it really doesn't matter if the New Age Movement has any Nazi connections or not in terms of trackable individuals.

What matters is that the core philosophy, right down to transformation of humanity and elimination of what opposes this, is essentially the same.
 
Don't mention the war!
 
Christine and others.

I do have a Facebook page. People can view it -- but I am from a fairly large clan in Indiana of which I am now effectively "the matriarch" by virtue of being born before everybody else. I wish you had asked me first before starting a page in my name!

Constance
 
Well, one distinctly trackable individual, recently dead, with obvious and open Nazi connections was EUSTACE MULLINS who claimed to have been mentored by another with open and obvious Nazi connections, EZRA POUND.

Constance
 
"I controlled it"????

I think a green eyed monster might be entering this room.

I have always appreciated your work and your efforts as I have the work and efforts of many other. Unfortunately, sometimes working with you has been like walking on eggshells as is now the case, unfortunately, again.

Constance
 
Bjorn has got to do better than use Rumor Mill stories. I sent this one out to my email group. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=313329
Surprise! Ebola Outbreak Connected To Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and George Soros Maybe I'm wrong and there is more meat to this story.
 
Constance, i didn't start it "in your name," I started a book discussion group which also addresses Fr. Seraphim Rose's Orthodoxy and The Religion of The Future. If you want I will cancel it. no members just two invitees so far.
 
"Getting the information out was the most important thing."

Yes it is, because once it's out anybody might pick up the ball and run with it. So please, if you are dissatisfied with Constance nowadays, either do it yourself or find someone else. Grumbling here doesn't get the information out.

 
Don't push it Constance. I didn't just enter the room. I've been posting here since the very beginning of this blog If I was jealous of you I wouldn't have hung around for decades. I have never said my research is better than yours. Frankly, I think yours is better. I am not impressed by your public curtsy to my input. The battle is bigger than either of our egos. Yes, you controlled the information outflow. Can anyone here name another person who has done research at whatever level on the New Age movement in totality? You never went out of your way to give real credit to anyone else. So, maybe I'm wrong. How about giving the first and maybe last names of all of those people who have contributed in a major way to research on the New Age movement. In this comments section you tried to skip giving credit to Robin Eubanks for her work exposing the New Age movement in education. No one here would have known her name if I didn't post it. You skipped right over, took a piece of what she wrote and tied it to your work. Her work is fantastic and meaningful.

Skip the green eyed nonsense. You are better than that. I think people might have gotten tired of requests over decades for constant sympathy for the trials and tribulations of CC. Your research stands far above your personality. Based on what I've come across over many years, people such as you who do truly good work often have enlarged egos which enable them to keep going. If that's what we have to deal with to get good contributions to humanity, so be it.

Tiptoeing around your ego has been difficult but doable for decades. It may be that at 75 I am getting too old to play the handmaiden to the queen no matter how valuable the results. I dislike getting into all of this, but poke me again and there is more.

Now come up with the names of all of those who have worked with you in getting information about New Age out. It's time for them to get credit.
 
"You never went out of your way to give real credit to anyone else. "

that is totally false, consider the Cuddy Chart just for starters.

As for Robin Eubanks, didn't Constance say she had just bought her book? Maybe you got nothing to do but hang around at home playing queen bee and getting fawned on, but Constance has a lot on her plate.

"you are better than that" now THAT line gets my hackles up, it is a clear manipulative appeal to the sin of pride, the same sort of shit my biological so called mother used to do.

Frankly, if the Nazi angle historically and present anti semitic tendencies weren't in play, I don't think you'd give a hoot.

I vaguely recall Constance referring to someone as having done some great work I can't recall who, I am more interested in what Constance says and links posted than kudos the denunciations are more important but I have trouble remembering names anyway, the save page function is helpful.
 
Christine, read the comments again. You are doing the handmaiden thing to Constance here. Good for you. Despite your being all over the internet, in many places and with your own blogs, you have no cohesive identity anywhere. Has Constance promoted your efforts? If so, I haven't seen it.

You won't ever learn the role I played in getting Dennis Cuddy's mother's outline to be shown. That's how things are.

Robin Eubank's name didn't come up until I posted it. So the book came up only after I posted the name. I'm on RE's mailing list, have her book and respect her. She is doing very well without a CC endorsement.

Constance has no more on her plate than the rest of us.

Christine, everything going on is not summarized in your head. Networks are formed when people of similar interests are allowed to work together, and this only happens when individuals are known and can be contacted.

Right now if I wanted to work with someone who knew New Age and was interested in a particular area, I could find no one. People new to the topic would go to CC who was very open and friendly and who seemed to be the source for all information. She in turn gets to be in contact with anyone who has important new information. Why go to people who might be lower level shlubs when the central source of information is so open. And without a network of people, that's how everything gets funneled.

Now, whether it is important to you or not, I'd like to see the first and maybe last names of those who over the decades have contributed to the research. I'd like to try and be in touch with them. I'm in touch with Cuddy and a few others, but their focus is not specifically on New Age.
 
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"Despite your being all over the internet, in many places and with your own blogs, you have no cohesive identity anywhere. Has Constance promoted your efforts? If so, I haven't seen it. "

Again, arguments that ASSUME I have some ego thing about what I do. I don't. that may make me incomprehensible to you, but that's the situation, deal with it (or ignore it).

As for the rest, you are talking nearly 30 years, and many many people who got into this research were started by Constance, so you could probably go and say that they don't count. But on youtube under the heading new age movement, new world order, globalism, aquarius, deception, etc., you can find many people (not all of them "pure" but with serious issues about major parts of the NA/NWO thing) who are teaching about this.

What do you want from a researcher? someone who relies on no second hand sources (instead of compiling and connecting dots) and no revelations from people who quit the stuff, but who join and infiltrate and report back?

As for Constance not having anything more on her plate than the rest of us, I studied law in an office for 2 1/2 years failed the first year bar by the skin of my teeth twice, and came away with a lot of information which cued me to errors of the "common law courts" crew and other things,

and also gave me an idea of complicated and time consuming preparing paperwork and filing and time in court can be, especially if you are to be present for three hours waiting for you and your client to be gotten around to.

So unless you are in a similar line of work, don't tell me she doesn't have more on her plate than the rest of us, especially having a disabled husband. So she is in the situation of having to support her family AND pay for her research materials.

I doubt that it is mere stingyness that she uses a free blog supplier instead of an expensive, classy web site.
 
Oh good grief Christine. No Constance doesn't have more on her plate than others despite your background. Are you comparing yourself to her and not to the rest of humanity? Do you really think the rest of the world, outside of you and Constance, lives in happy lala suburbia or North Shore something or other? By the way I worked for lawyers for many years. No big deal. Don't be so simplistic.

Then again you again may be putting exclamation marks on everything connected with you.
Everyone who reads this blog knows of your ego. It can't be ignored. You are entitled to your own opinion of yourself.

My main point has not been to denigrate Constance's research. It has been to point out to why the work has not gone anywhere.

Almost all of the information on the internet is disinformation or propaganda about New Age networks. What is truthful appears to be knockoffs by ministers who know little but want to appear knowledgeable and who then tie the little they know into the Bible. They wouldn't know the secular part of New Age even if some called it to their attention. There are many apocalyptic agendas, some from a Christian viewpoint. Read the book Millenniums, Messiahs and Mayhem by Robbins and Palmer. However it swells their money box and makes them seem important to their congregants who lookd no further.

Constance's information from the beginning was different which is what attracted me. It was knowledgeable and made historical sense. Again, my problem is why is didn't go anywhere.
 
"My main point has not been to denigrate Constance's research. It has been to point out to why the work has not gone anywhere."

Not gone anywhere? What would you define as going somewhere? Why don't you go and post links to her blog on every blog forum and youtube video you can find if you have so much time?

secular part? I am sorry you didn't notice anything but the profiteering preachers.

The secular part, often to the exclusion of the "spiritual" part, is indeed harped on by some on youtube and elsewhere. Generally speaking these two features are not combined, though some do so.


 
Charlotte Iserbyte will be my radio guest the first hour Saturday, 7 a.m. Pacific time, 8 a.m. Mountain ime, 9 a.m. Central time, and 10 a.m. Eastern time, which is the time zone for Charlotte and I. We will be discussing education and Steiner education (Anthroposophy) related issues. I'll try to remember to tweet and facebook this as well. Busy week, I've been involved in Michigan's election process.

Constance
 
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http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/thegoodnews/newage.htm
Revealing The New Age Movement examines hijacking of Christian terminology and scroll down for invading society.

 
Exposing the New Age movement was a wonderful thing. It was so important any effort to share and spread the information should have been used. It wasn't.

I can't think of a single reason to send anyone to this blog now. What would they learn? That nobody considers the idea of the New Age movement very important any more? That some people were interested enough to read a book but not interested enough to do anything about the information?
 
first off, the BLOG is NOT this section where people post arguments, whining, and information.

the BLOG is Constance's front page which she, not you, controls.

This is only the comments section, and I wouldn't be surprised if few are interested in any blog's comments section anyway, unless they are curious or have something to say.

Secondly, with all the stuff out there on the New Age, either from a single angle, or not mentioning it but attacking one of its tentacles (globalist bilderbergers etc., a BIG object of interest going mainstream almost now, or Agenda 21 loathed by individualist back to the land type New Agers and rightists and leftists and Christians alike or whatever)

or focussing on its racist, or its religious, or its political angles,

giving a big picture with Blavatsky's role highlighted, or focussing on the occult practices of govt. and military elements and general citizenry of the USA and maybe a few other places alike,

The New Age Movement IS being discussed.

Even some books that shrug off Constance and others can't help giving a pretty good picture incl. the networking. One book online I looked at is like this, dismisses the idea of a conspiracy that is as well coordinating as Marilyn Ferguson claimed as being a pipe dream, because it would need hierarchichal coordination, and could not be a mere nodal network like she describes.

yet the same book paints a picture of how that coordination could exist, when it gets to the corporate side.

and if you factor in Bilderbergers, and media giants at the top of the coporations that control corporations that control most of the media,

and you add the theosophical sorts on the ground floor of many operations like the UN,

you have exactly the coordination you need, especially if you add demonic influence, something some people are not willing to admit might be in play.

Because when people go mentally passive and meditate, and share some presuppositions with others, the evil spirits can either lead them farther, or if they won't go in some direction blind them to its being a major aim so they go on their love peace bliss trip, and contribute money or effort in directions, or fail to oppose some directions, which action or inaction, and dismissal of worries, theirs or others, helps the NAM.

I recall listening to Constance interview you on her show one time, and she had to lead you out in almost all your statements.

I think your complaints of inability to get things done are a projection of your own difficulties you are not facing, or dealing with.

I might add, that if you expect this stuff to ever be put totally down you are mistaken. No one can do that alone or in a mass movement, it will simply go underground and surface again somewhere else. This war between good and evil will go on until the end of the world, as both Christian and Jewish eschatology indicate.

 
"I might add, that if you expect this stuff to ever be put totally down you are mistaken. No one can do that alone or in a mass movement, it will simply go underground and surface again somewhere else. This war between good and evil will go on until the end of the world, as both Christian and Jewish eschatology indicate."

Well said Christine! Our correspondent here needs to decide whether she prefers grumbling here or getting her (extremely valuable) information and insights out elsewhere.

 
Obviously you value the comment section. You use it extensively though not very wisely.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M

What they do with the kids is what they do with the world, on a larger scale. After a while people don't even realise what might be 'wrong' with the way things have turned. Hoping to catch your show Saturday Constance.

From Oz
 
Christine, "From Oz",

I appreciate your recent postss.

Constance
 
Thanks anonymous 8:22 for your kind words. You are right. Elsewhere sounds good. One of my human weaknesses is that I am unable to face frustration for long, periods of time without mental relief of some kind. Mental diversion after patience works almost always, but sometimes I will speak out, most often privately, but occasionally publicly when private does no good. I recognize speaking out publicly does no good, but I give in and that's a weakness .
 
Constance,
In case you miss this:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2462960/ibms-new-brain-chip-could-power-the-internet-of-things.html#tk.rss_all
 
I just got my copy of "Credentialed To Destroy" by Robin Eubanks.
I'm not sure if it's because Constance recommended it or because Dorothy told Constance about it or if Robin Eubanks is on Dorothy's personal favorites lists
and she recommended it or if I should give all my thanks to Robin Eubanks or if I should give the credit to Charlotte Iserbyte who is a very good friend of Constance's or if Charlotte Iserbyte was first recognized by Dorothy or what, but what little I've read is pretty impressive and no doubt true.
The dumbing down of America is a deliberate example of NEW AGE social engineering and
NEW AGE Gnostisism. It's deliberate and it's not
a small bad joke.
 
Paul,

If you want to get a wider perspective on New Age Gnosticism, check out "perennialism." Also the Traditionalist School

PERENNIAL PHILOSOPHY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy
_____________________

TRADITIONALIST SCHOOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School


 
actually, Queenie's take on the royals is most likely correct, and the wedding of course is going to have Christian trappings in that society, doesn't mean a thing. The scene of them coming outside afterwards struck me as more like barely christianized "merrie england" of yore than seriously Christian, something about the overall tone.

For a plausible scenario, look at horror movies that present a society that is on the surface Christian modern or semi traditional, but there is something else going on, especially in a crisis situation.
 
"The scene of them coming outside afterwards struck me as more like barely christianized "merrie england" of yore than seriously Christian, something about the overall tone. For a plausible scenario, look at horror movies that present a society that is on the surface Christian modern or semi traditional, but there is something else going on"

Quite so. There never has been a Christian country and there never will be until Christ returns.

To anybody who doubts this: give me a name and a date.

 
Yes but isn't it still better for a country to be
nominally Christian than not Christian in any way?
I would think that the nominal Christianity is an example of the Lord frustrating the intentions of the devil; "helped with a little help"
But Angola might just be the example that you claim can't be found.
Angola just recently made Islam illegal. As far as I know it's the only country ever to do so.
VIVA ANGOLA!
 
America was pretty much nominally christian and the Lord blessed her, but that is...was.....can no longer be considered christian. Never repented the sin of abortion and sexual lust that has lead to today-the days of utter perversion, greed for $$$ and power, so has lost her way and all reason and wisdom in a host of sectors-private and public, indivduals, homes, towns and cities, states, and in the national life, name your poison, American forgot the God of the bible who established her, turned her back, has ruined that testimony. And a global world waits for it's moment in the sun.............only gets it's moment though-----and then God Almighty will arise.
 
11:02
I'm not going to argue with any of that.
But there is still salt on the earth, the Holy
Spirit still restrains sin and
some US churches still worship the Lord.

 
Just checked out Barbara Marx Hubbards twitter page and this takes the cake:https://twitter.com/BarbaraHubbard/status/497716583096401921

From Oz
 
"Yes but isn't it still better for a country to be nominally Christian than not Christian in any way?"

Look at how nominal Christians Catholic and protestant tore at each other in the 16th and 17th century and think hard about that.

"But Angola might just be the example that you claim can't be found.
Angola just recently made Islam illegal. As far as I know it's the only country ever to do so.
VIVA ANGOLA!"

Yes viva Angola for that indeed. But its because Islam is intrinsically political, so it's a legitimate issue for politicians in Angola (or anywhere else) to address, whereas gospel Christianity isn't intrinsically political.

 
Susanna,
I realized when reading the WIKI definition of
Perennialism, that it's pretty much word for word
what you get when you ask a modern American
what they think the ultimate truth might be.
In other words, virtually everyone in our society
is infected with this shallow philosophy.
A Unitarian Universalist once corrected me when I had said something like; "well, we're all Christians", at a city hall event in honor of Martin Luther King: she said "well, not really. We Unitarians are not the same religion as you. We believe all the world religions are essentially correct, etc etc.
I just shook my head.
 
Susanna, given that Unitarian Universalists deny The Trinity and deny Jesus is God in the flesh in any sense that we aren't, I don't know how you could have thought they are Christian. Unitarians deny The Trinity and I am not sure about their stance on Jesus' divinity.

UU also often host wicca groups.
 
Christine,

Re:Susanna, given that Unitarian Universalists deny The Trinity and deny Jesus is God in the flesh in any sense that we aren't, I don't know how you could have thought they are Christian.

Where did I say Unitarian Universalists were Christian????

This is not the first time you have claimed I said something I simply did not say.
 
"Where did I say Unitarian Universalists were Christian????"

you said you said to one of them and got corrected.

"A Unitarian Universalist once corrected me when I had said something like; "well, we're all Christians"," at 1:29

"This is not the first time you have claimed I said something I simply did not say."

I doubt I ever did that, perhaps once got you confused with another I don't remember, but you spend so much verbiage of others you have to hand copy I figure you may not remember everything after a while. Some of those posts don't really address things the real source definitive would be ecumenical councils and early fathers (BEFORE Augustine who is to blame for all kinds of errors in protestantism, which is basically hard core Augustinianism) and you can't reasonably expect protestants to accept anything outside of The Bible, get used to finding little things in The Bible to support your positions.


 
Paul 1:29 P.M.,

Exactly!

Perennialism is not only a form of heretical Gnosticism from an authentic Christian perspective, but it is also part and parcel of that religious indifferentism, according to which "one religion is as good as another" in leading us to that one transcendent "truth" or "unity" ( independently of public divine Christian revelation )whose praises the Perennialists/Traditionalists sing.

Perennialism is the underlying theme of
UNITED RELIGIONS INITIATIVE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Religions_Initiative
__________________________

The founder of United Religions Initiative and President is William Swing who is also a close associate of excommunicated ex Dominicam priest Matthew Fox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Swing
__________________________

One term I have been noticing in association with the perennial philosophy is "integralism" or "integral theory." ( a.k.a. "theory of everything" )

This term was associated with Sri Aurobindo and Jean Gebser, and promoted by Ken Wilber.

INTEGRAL THEORY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_theory
____________________________

All this is simply an old error ( Gnosticism ) wearing new labels.
this is because Gnosticism is the INVARIABLE ELEMENT IN EVERY MAJOR CHRISTIAN HERESY.

Here is a little list of key gnostic players with a few accompanying highlights.

SRI AUROBIDO

....During his stay in Pondicherry, Aurobindo developed a method of spiritual practice, which he called Integral Yoga. The central theme of his vision was the evolution of human life into a life divine. He believed in a spiritual realisation that not only liberated man but also transformed his nature, enabling a divine life on earth. In 1926, with the help of his spiritual collaborator, Mirra Alfassa ("The Mother"), he founded the Sri Aurobindo Ashram. He died on 5 December 1950 in Pondicherry.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Aurobindo
____________________________

MIRRA ALFASSA - A.K.A. "THE MOTHER"
Around 1905 she met the occultist Max Théon, who explained her psychic experiences to her. She paid two extended visits (on the second one she was accompanied by or later joined by Morisset) to Théon's estate at Tlemcen, Algeria, to live with and learn occultism firsthand from Théon and his wife, Alma Theon.[10] Alfassa had a very high regard for Théon....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirra_Alfassa
______________________________

MAX THEON

....There is some dispute over whether Théon taught Blavatsky at some stage; the Mother in The Agenda says he did, Chanel et al. considers this unlikely, while K. Paul Johnson speculates in The Masters Revealed that the Theosophical adept Tuitit Bey might be based on Théon. The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor claimed to have originated in Egypt in 1870 and been brought to England by Théon in 1884....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Th%C3%A9on
_______________________

KEN WILBER

Kenneth Earl "Ken" Wilber II (born January 31, 1949, in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma) is an American writer and public speaker. He has written and lectured about mysticism, philosophy, ecology, and developmental psychology. His work formulates what he calls Integral Theory. In 1998 he founded the Integral Institute.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber
_________________________

KEN WILBER AND INTEGRALISM

http://www.integralworld.net/shepherd2.html
___________________________

Have a good read. :-)
 
Christine,

That was not me being quoted by Paul.

Paul was quoting a Unitarian Universalist who corrected him when he (Paul) said something like; "well, we're all Christians", at a city hall event in honor of Martin Luther King: she ( the Unitarian Universalist) said "well, not really. We Unitarians are not the same religion as you. We believe all the world religions are essentially correct, etc etc..

Paul was merely addressing me at the beginning of his post when he wrote "Susanna".

I am not the one who is confused here. I know what I said and I know what I did not say and it is all right here for all to see.


Re:I doubt I ever did that, perhaps once got you confused with another

You did it just on the previous thread and then apologized when you were called on it. Your comment and apology were signed "Christine Erikson (aka Justina)"
 
Good study on Nimrod, Babel, and its Tower

parablesblog.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2014-08-09T16:02:00-04:00&max-results=1

Thursday, August 7,2014 post

Also see post on Google censorship of christian view points. Also PayPal.

Saturday August 9 2014 postarsrch THE
 
Paul, @ 11:02 I was speaking the bigger picture. There are still pockets of believers in many places-in America-and other places too. America (the nation) is heading down the wrong road and away from all of the things that once made her great (we say we know that but do we really acknowledge and mourn that loss?) and one can hope that Angola will stay that course, but time is marching on toward a global goal and it has nearly arrived is the way I see it. The apostate condition of the church world wide is pervasive but how amazing are those whose testimony is not sold out though paying a tremendous price to do so. I believe that is coming to us in this country also. Islam's impact on the world at large, has been raised up for our day and time to suit the devil's purpose helping 'to create the need' for the new world order and the new age agenda that has crept in on the unaware, the willingly ignorant, the apathetic, and the compromised of all of the denominations and are powerless to sway it because only God can stem the tide (but will He?). I believe it has come to the point that God states in Jeremiah 15:1. We'll see if I am getting this right (though one can hope that I am wrong).
 
6:02 P.M.

"America (the nation) is heading down the wrong path and away from all of the things that once made her great"

Here in this video of a speach by Caroline Glick is one reason this nation will indeed fall. Daniel chapter 8 is all about that fall.
 
Woops,,,, here is the link to that video of Caroline Glicks speach.

https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=dgwmerQYndo

A link to this video is also found at The Golden Report, latest post.
 
Susanna, okay I see the paul label ahead of Susanna, sorry, I've been exhausted.

restate - Paul, how could you not know Unitarian and Unitarian Universalist non Christian status, any high school comparative religions chart will show details, any basic Christian instruction for new Christians or whatever comparing denominations will explain this?

or are you one of those people whose entire life consists of interacting with other people, not checking on facts, details, and so forth either before or concurrent with dealing with them? there's a building calling itself a church therefore by some inherent cosmic force it will be what you expect it to be never mind all the kooks like Scientology and satanists and whatnot who use the label "church"?
 
Thanks so much for the link 8:36 p.m.



 
Daniel chapter 9 includes the interpretation, that the first is the medes and persians and the second the greeks. the little horn is apparently antiochus epiphanius, who fulfilled in detail things in Daniel chapter 11, which nonetheless was also expected by early interpreters to be relevant to the future as well as their then recent (a few centuries) past. probably noticing a double fulfillment of prophecy or two stage someone else pointed out I forget who.

These are detailed in the books of Maccabbees which were held in esteem by the early church and patristic times and up until Luther decided to kick these and other "deuterocanonical" books out. Even so, the first edition of the KJV included them.

I think it is Daniel 7 where the fall of the US empire is shown.

the first beast, a lion (British core and origin and ongoing partnership) with an eagle's wings (eagle would relate to US and to air power) is stripped of its wings, and made to stand upright like a man and a man's heart given to it.

Serious smackdown followed by repentance.

Bear, Russia, Leopard most likely China, all three still in existence when the fourth beast arises probably out of Africa, strikes them all down, but they remain in existence, then out of that beast empire rises the antichrist.

we are seeing the beginnings of these now. To be anything much in prophecy, one has to be a major player in Israel specifically or the Middle East in general. Britain-America and through the elements running them EU and NATO definitely have been. Russia is moving into position, and any one of at least two causes could put them boots on the ground as a permanent presence in the Middle East.

China is moving on the perimeter, with ties to Iran and lesser so to Syria, and building interests and relationships in Africa and South America, Central America and Mexico.

The beast the harlot rides in Revelation has features of the previous three, leopard, lion and bear, so will be in a way a product of them.

The statue segues into the first coming of Christ, the four beasts segues into the Second Coming of Christ.
 
Christine,

Re: Susanna, okay I see the paul label ahead of Susanna, sorry, I've been exhausted.

No problem. Nobody is perfect - including me.

As for Paul, he may not have been wise to the beliefs of the Unitarian Universalist Church when he said "well, we are all Christians."

But he is certainly wise to their beliefs right now and that is what counts.
 
"These are detailed in the books of Maccabbees which were held in esteem by the early church and patristic times and up until Luther decided to kick these and other "deuterocanonical" books out."

Jerome never believed that they were canonical, more than 1000 years before Luther. Moreover, no Apocryphal book asserts divine authority (as do the law and prophets). And they say these things:

1. Sirach on bringing up children: “He who loves his son will whip him often… If you play with your child, he will grieve you; do not laugh with him, or you will have sorrow with him… give him no freedom in his youth… make his yoke heavy” (ch. 30). Is that consistent with the loving discipline in Paul (Ephesians 6:4), or Proverbs, or Jesus’ tender talk of children in Matthew 18?

2. Tobit was supposedly alive when the Assyrians invaded Israel in 722BC (Tobit 1:3), and also alive more than 200 years earlier when Jeroboam’s revolt against Jerusalem (Tobit 1:4-5) divided Israel into northern and southern kingdoms. Yet he is said to have lived less than 130 years (Tobit 14:2)!

3. The Letter of Jeremiah (often printed as the 6th chapter of Baruch) says (in verse 2) that the Jews would be in Babylon for seven generations, whereas Jeremiah (25:11) stated (correctly) 70 years.

Canonical?
 
nonetheless these books WERE esteemed though NOT counted as something to read in The Holy Liturgy. That they were esteemed is evident in that Jerome dealt with the subject at all.

Tobit frankly reads a bit more like a novel than a history book.

NO CRITICISMS ARE RELEVANT TO MACABBEES, and the information in these regarding Antiochus Epiphanies is also to be found in secular sources.

As for the recommendations on child rearing, one description of typical toxic parents, is that they are trying to be pals rather than parents to their kids. Whipping is not with some serious type of strap or knotted weapon obviously. We are warned by Paul not to drive your children to despair, also translated rage, so sounds like despairing anger, a dangerous hybrid emotion. Children of the days conservatives look back to nostalgically were raised with corporal punishment, and the lack of this shows no good results. Granted this passage overdoes it.

But the rest of the book is pretty good. Why don't you read it for yourself, not just some excerpt from an anti deuterocanonicals page?

Now, these books WERE QUOTED FROM IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. here is a list.
http://www.cathtruth.com/catholicbible/deut.htm
 
there was also a Jewish synagogue ruin discovered somewhere with some of its scrolls showing it had used at least one of the deuterocanonicals in its services.
 
Yes thank you Christine for essentially calling me a fool, right after you failed to see my name on a post.
That is rich. You immediately give me a lecture that I don't need in order to make yourself seem a little
more knowledgable and a little less of a continual speed reader who skips all kinds of things.
My comment wasn't addressed to you yet you have the hubris to hold forth like a teacher at me.
As a matter of fact, what I said to that woman from the UU church was just me trying to be polite but at the same time hear what she would say. She took the bait and ran with it and that's when I realized that EVEN THEY don't consider themselves Christian, which I did not at that point know.
If I had been you of course there would have been no need as I would already have known everything in the universe.
 
paul, hubris or ignorance I am not sure what to ascribe to you
"My comment wasn't addressed to you yet you" etc.

your comment was in a public forum, it does not matter who in particular, if any, it is addressed to, it is PUBLIC and for ALL TO READ and ALL TO COMMENT ON.

duh!

you complain I hold forth as a teacher, well, your very arrogant attitude of being ticked off that anyone do so (incl. someone who is likely older than you chronologically and older in The Lord Jesus Christ) shows you need teaching more than I realized.

and if you don't want to be taken at your word you post PUBLICLY, that you said this as if you meant it, THEN INCLUDE THE CAVEAT YOU JUST INCLUDED BELATEDLY NOW, AT THE START, or if you don't, then don't complain that you ARE taken at your word, even Susanna says "As for Paul, he may not have been wise to the beliefs of the Unitarian Universalist Church when he said "well, we are all Christians."

But he is certainly wise to their beliefs right now and that is what counts."

so she took you at your word, it is not mere foolishness on my part.

Actually, given your obvious bondage to the sin of pride, I am not sure you are not lying when you add the caveat that you said that as bait, in order to make yourself look less ignorant.


 
to the Elder of the Church:
Christine,
Where do you get that I would not be corrected by "anyone" ? There are plenty of people who could correct me and I would accept it.
As far as being older than me, and older than me "in the Lord", what kind of logic is that ?
Never mind, I know. It's the same sort of guesswork you practice here many times a day.
But if you say that the thing that matters is how long you've professed to be a Christian, give me a break !
So all the baggage and neurosis, and mother- loathing that you've spelled out here about yourself became obsolete and irrelevant since you
became a Christian? Since you became a Christian who mixes her Christianity with all the things you mix it with; chakras and men on Mars and various
demonologies and ways of dealing with demons,
including repetitions and special powerful prayers, etc. Yeah Christine you've really got it all together.
And since you figure that you've been a Christian longer than me, all the anti psychotic drugs and
and concoctions that you still need after all these years don't change the idea that you're my, what, spiritual leader ?
Oh and since you have "mild Aspergers", and as you've pointed out, that means that you have special talents, such as "pattern recognition" and
apparently, special insights, but the upshot is that you get special treatment, although not so much from me.
I was talking to Susanna. She answered me in kind.
You stepped into someone else's conversation and blasted me for no good reason. You speed read over my name and could have graciously apologized but chose to double down instead.
And there is no similarity between your assault and Susanna's mature response.
Nice try.
 
I haven't tried antipsychotics since 1991, and have been off antidepressants since 2013.

stepping into a conversation is what you can expect when you conduct it on a public forum, same as screaming at each other from tables on opposite sides of a restaurant.

as for men on Mars, I hypothesize they originated here, and my book is the only one I know of that fits possible alien life into a 6 day creation scenario that has no separate life creation or not intelligent life at least elsewhere.

why don't you try reading it not just the bit amazon.com gives for free before slamming what you know nothing about?

St. Theophan the Recluse recommends modifying the preset prayers with anything that crosses your mind as needing prayer about, which I do, and was doing anyway before I read his collected letters.

age brings knowledge.

as for slamming I recall someone mentioning you as one of the nastier posters around here at least in times past.
 
"And there is no similarity between your assault and Susanna's mature response."

you are blind or dishonest. I never implied there was any similarity in the tone of the response.

I said THE PRESUPPOSITIONS behind her response and mine was the same.

Susanna's response PRESUPPOSED YOU WERE IGNORANT AT THE TIME.

As did mine.

Based on your words.

Which you then explained as being "bait" therefore not reflecting ignorance.

And I suspect you lie in saying the latter.


 
Well said Paul!
 
"as for men on Mars, I hypothesize they originated here, and my book is the only one I know of that fits possible alien life into a 6 day creation scenario"

Hypothesize that WHO originated here? There is no evidence that there has been intelligent life on Mars. And not much on earth, I sometimes think.

 
the men on Mars came from here.

BTW Mars atmosphere is closer to half or more our air pressure OR THE DUST DEVILS PHOTOGRAPHED THERE COULD NOT EXIST, and THE CLOUDS PHOTOGRAPHED THERE OF TYPES THAT CAN'T FORM AT THE ALLEGED MARTIAN AIR PRESSURE WOULDN'T EXIST.

that's just for starters.


 
http://davidaroffman.com/catalog_1.html

http://arkcode.com/3%20Martian%20Air%20Pressure%20Part%20III.pdf

author of this work is working on his physics PhD at CERN in Switzerland.

And I figured out about the implications of the clouds on Mars in the late 1980s or early 1990s.
 
"nonetheless these books WERE esteemed though NOT counted as something to read in The Holy Liturgy."

By whom? You are using the passive. But in any case nobody denied here that they were esteemed. The question is whether they are canonical.

"the rest of the book is pretty good. Why don't you read it for yourself, not just some excerpt from an anti deuterocanonicals page?"

Why do you assume that I haven't read the whole of Sirach?

"NO CRITICISMS ARE RELEVANT TO MACABBEES"

As these would be the only pre-Christ scriptures written in Greek it can plausibly be argued that the Apocryphal/deuterocanonical books stand and fall together. Certainly Macabbees nowhere claims to be scripture - no "Thus says the Lord". Given that you accept the criticisms of Sirach, Tobit and the Letter of Jeremiah above, which suffice to disqualify them as scripture, it is up to you to make the case that Maccabees is.

"Now, these books WERE QUOTED FROM IN THE NEW TESTAMENT."

Sure. So are some Greek poets (by Paul in Athens), and so is Enoch. That means only that the bits quoted are perfectly accurate.

 
""nonetheless these books WERE esteemed though NOT counted as something to read in The Holy Liturgy."

By whom? You are using the passive."

excuse me? you are talking about tenses in Greek not English.

obviously given the CONTEXT of my statement, it is the early church up to Luther's time in the west, and currently in the east, that esteemed them and still does.

Proverbs and Ecclesiastes doesn't say "thus saith The Lord" either.

Maccabbees info is validated by other historical sources, and you won't find anyone arguing Antiochus Epiphanes did not fulfill Daniel, neither will you find early church writers who knew this arguing that that meant this wouldn't happen again.

The main issue is Daniel 7, and that points to a destruction of America and England and EU probably by Russia and China, followed by repentance for all our sins (some of which some here would consider virtues).

followed by the fourth beast, and out of that empire will rise the antichrist.

Then Jesus comes back to destroy the antichrist, catch up the Christians still alive and resurrect the faithful dead, who stay in the clouds with Him until the wrath of God is completed, then descend with Jesus to earth to rule on earth with Him over unbelievers who did not take the mark of the Beast and so survive the wrath of God.
 
So the atmosphere on Mars is at a particular pressure. That says nothing about its composition, and whether other factors necessary to sustain intelligent life were present, and even if so then whether intelligent life actually was present. Keep going if you want to make the case. Apologies for the second para at 10:47am, that was inappropriate.

 
Who was disputing the existence of Antiochus IV ('Epiphanes')? The dispute is whether Maccabees is scripture. Just because it mentions a guy who existed doesn't prove that it is scripture.

You: "nonetheless these books WERE esteemed though NOT counted as something to read in The Holy Liturgy."

Me: "By whom? You are using the passive."

You: "excuse me? you are talking about tenses in Greek not English."

I am talking about the passive in your statement "nonetheless these books WERE esteemed though NOT counted as something to read in The Holy Liturgy".

 
a. NASA claims are wrong, while Roffman argues error I argue fraud, re air pressure.

b. that means NASA claims about the rest of the composition are in error, or fraud.

If the air is 95% CO2 as claimed, then the air pressure drop during winter, due to its freezing out of the atmosphere at the poles especially the south pole, should be a lot greater than it is.

c. NASA is now claiming liquid water exists at times on the surface.

d. photos show things that may be wreckage of some sort. In some photos there is indication that something in them moved between the two shots, something with more shape and bulk than a tiny easily wind blow pebble. For more details, google mars anomalies, etc. Hoagland is a gatekeeper, always blithering about defunct civilization millions of years old, try a few hundred years to current. Indications of a nuclear event also exist, Brandenburg who noticed this first went public on the idea that it was a natural pile like the slow burn on earth in a uranium field in Gabon. on Mars it supposedly ran away into a fast burn (explosion). But in a book he is more honest, there is no crater, it was an air blast, not a ground burst.
 
WERE is not "passive" it is "past" tense, and were is used because the context is earlier church than later Rome.
 
Active: Person X esteemed these books.

Passive: These books were esteemed by person X.

Passive with a rhetorical trick to avoid being specific: These books were esteemed.
 
idiot at 11:39 am

do you know the meaning of the word CONTEXT?

the specific is in the CONTEXT, which is the early church attitude to the deuterocanonicals as basis for judging their value.

out of that context, which books "these" are is unknown, along with who esteemed them.

in that context, the identity of what "these" are that is referred to is known, along with who esteemed them.
 
Christine,

Matthew 5:22. Be careful.

 
Christine the presence of an atmosphere and of water is no proof of intelligent life. Science and the Bible agree about that, never mind whether they agree about timescale. As for things moving on the surface of Mars that couldn't be shifted by wind, how about earthquakes?

Intelligent life on Mars in the last few hundred years? Hoagland reckons there was intelligent life there aeons ago, because it would take that long for buildings, highways etc to decay. So why don't we see those things?

Easy: they never were there.

 
google those anomalies on mars. yes we DO see stuff that looks like wreckage and there was an infrared photo by Russia of Mars at night, showing what looked like heat from an underground city.

these photos are linked to the NASA and JPL sources, so you can check they are not altered. It is a matter of blowing up and changing contrast sometimes.

as for something blown by the wind, I said it was too big and bulky for that. are you missing words or deliberately trying to make an impression, counting on the reader to not remember or not have read what I said?

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/
 
"as for something blown by the wind, I said it was too big and bulky for that. are you missing words or deliberately trying to make an impression, counting on the reader to not remember or not have read what I said?"

Given that I suggested earthquakes as a possible explanation, I ask you the same question.

If you really think that NASA is covering up clear proof of intelligent life on Mars then you have no idea how large organisations work.

 
not when it has a tail. not when it is something peeking out of a dark space mini cave between rocks in photo and gone in another.
 
C'mon Christine why is it all Maybe and ambiguous? Not a single straight line or right angle observed that would prove intelligent life had been constructing stuff on Mars. Not one. Think about it.

 
Oh well, the main thing is that Christine is once
again embroiled in controversy over her
irresponsible comments, and thus she's the center of attention...again.
That's the point.
That Constance has asked her over and over to limit her posts to one a day, and despite her promise to do so , she has commented no less than THIRTY SIX TIMES on this thread alone. And most of her comments are in defense of herself after making irresponsible comments.
So it's the Christine show again today just like yesterday and the day before.
Get your own blog Christine aka Justina.
Oh that's right you already have one. It's just that no one goes there. I should say, you have numerous blogs, but no one goes to them.
 
You know, over a year ago I wrongly called someone a moron or some such thing after a comment they made about western medicine. That person cautioned me rightly, about Matthew 5:22. I asked the Lords forgiveness for that, if that person still reads the comments here, I apologize to that person, and ask their forgiveness as well. You know after that person I offended cautioned me about Matthew 5:22 Christine applauded their rebuke of me for what I had done. I decided to see if Christine would commit the same sin I was guilty of, and sure enough she has done the same thing before, and now here again today. Need more be said?
 
..." showing what looked like heat from an underground city."

We know what heat from an underground
city should look like:
You have your underground city, see.
With heat coming off it, which heats up the ground
over it and begins to make the ground glow a reddish glow, from above, depending on how much ground there is between the underground city and the outside-the-planet atmosphere.
Most underground cities are way too deep to
be able to see their heat, and some underground cities are almost all the way at the planet surface
which keeps it from glowing because the heat dissipates too quickly.
The underground city that was seen by NASA on mars, is at just the right depth to be seen from earth. It was located by using a computer search
to find the areas with the highest numbers of those tiny creatures with tails whose little eyes blink and can be seen from earth, but only momentarily.

 
The Dark Space Mini Cave Creatures
The dark space mini cave creatures are well known.
They seem to be peeking out a lot.
They peek out from their dark space mini caves,
as if they are afraid of their natural enemies the
inactual birdlike creatures that feed on them.
Every day on mars these timid little guys blink their
very bright eyes. Their eyes are so bright that we can see them blink from earth!
But they are timid to say the least. With so many
inactual birdlike creatures all around the martian atmosphere, it's no wonder.
Mars is indeed awash in activity, and of course the whole universe is teeming with other creatures much more evolved than us, but alas, they all possess Star Trek Cloaking capabilities and so the
entire cosmos that we have observed thus far only
appears to be deader than a doornail, except earth,
where we still haven't figured out cloaking. And
the dark space mini cave creatures who also haven't got that technology yet.
Also, all the other planets have cloaked their respective huge oceans of salty, liquid water. The reason is so that nobody from any other planet tries to come and steal their
huge liquid oceans of beautiful bluish H2O, so they
all have their oceans cloaked as well.
 
What would they have eaten on Mars Christine?

 
Here is a slightly different interpretation regarding Daniel 7:

1) Lion is Great Britain 1815-1914 during Pax Britannica. It is the first global empire in the modern age. Portugal, Spain, Holland, France were all powerful empires but did not have complete global hegemony. These empires are part of the "blowing of the four winds" or the return of globalization in the late 15th and 16th centuries.

The Eagle's wings do not represent the united states, rather they represent that Great Britain has majestic rule over the entire world during the 19th century. Britain's power influences the millerite and other end time movements of the mid 19th century as people see a global empire for the first time since rome.

In 1914, Britain loses its magisty and global dominance due to WW1. The lion loses its wings - global dominance in glorious form - and returns to be a man, meaning that they become a normal "good" kingdom though less powerful. They are instrumental although in a lessor sense in stopping the proto 4th Beast of Hitler.

2) The Bear is Russia, or more specifically the Soviet Union under Stalin. The Bear feet represent the T-34 tanks that Stalin uses to slaughter Nazi's and eat its fill of the proto 4th Beast of Hitler. Stalin is a horribly evil man though successful at industrializing the Soviet Union. He is only able to conquer "half the world" or the bear on one side though he eats his fill of the three ribs of the three Baltic States. The USSR is still the most powerful entity after WWII but is constrained in an economic sense to only half the world. Stalin has an epiphany during the ten days that he disappears in the opening of WW2 where he realizes that although he is the 2nd most evil man in the world, Hitler is the most evil and it is his divine job to stop Hitler. Stalin after 1941 forbids anymore persecution of Christians and opens the seminaries in 1943 even after his eventual victory was certain. Christians are not persecuted in the USSR from 1941 to 1957 under Kruschev.

3) The leopard represents the United States. After WW2 the US becomes the dominate nation in the world, though the image of the US is not the reality - the leopard and its spots. It gains more and more power, although the Soviet Union, or Bear, has checked its power until 1990. George H W Bush tricks Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait so that Bush can demonstrate the awesome power of the US military and show that the US could easily defeat the USSR in battle. He is successful and declares a New World Order, which means the world is ruled by the Leopard.

In 1991, the USSR falls completely and quickly. The US has four wings and four leopards heads that dominate the world with incredible speed. No one can stand up to the drone attacks or Marine Expeditionary Units should the Presidents send them. There is increasing resentment against US hegemony and this is manifested in the 9/11 attacks. The US responds in a fury, but does not follow Kissenger's advice and over-extends itself. By 2008, Russia has recovered, although as a weaker but still strong country, and humiliates the leopard by invading Georgia.

We are here now - at the end of the leopard.

Russia, China, Iraq, or economic factors may end the swift but global and violent reign of the United States.

4) The beast that looks like a leopard - the new NATO or EU will not be what it seems, similar to the US, it will have the aggressiveness of the Soviet Union under Stalin, and it will use English as a language like Great Britain. It will rise after a series of wars or other traumatic events that end the reign of the leopard and cause chaos. This could happen 0-20 years from now.
 
Paul,

At my 4:15 post to you, after showing you part of the perennialist "apostolic succession" deriving from Max Theon, H.P. Blavatsky, The Mother, and Sri Aurobindo, I linked you to a couple of articles about Ken Wilber and his "Integral Theory."

While Ken Wilber's Integral Theory is not mainstream, it is nevertheless featured at the Institute of Noetic Sciences website.

An Introduction to Ken Wilber’s Integral Model

Chattanooga December Meeting

Saturday, Dec 14, 2013


http://noetic.org/events/2013/12/intro-to-ken-wilbers-integral-model-chattanooga/
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When all is said and done, "Integral Theory is one thing. "Integral Christianity," quite another......with book titles like INTEGRAL CHRISTIANITY: THE SPIRIT'S CALL TO EVOLVE by Wilber disciple Paul Smith.

From the Inside Flap

THE EVOLUTION OF ALL RELIGIONS into deeper, wider, and higher dimensions is crucial to the evolution of human spirituality and consciousness. In this book, Paul Smith presents just such an inviting and expansive pathway for the Christian religion that is faithful to a Jesus-centered theology of biblical interpretation and illuminated by the emerging field of integral philosophy.

The perspectives of integral theory and practice articulated by Ken Wilber help uncover the integral approach that Jesus advocated and demonstrated in the metaphors of his time--and that traditional Christianity has largely been unable to see.

Smith incorporates elements of traditional, modern, and postmodern theological viewpoints, including progressive, New Thought, and ones. However, he goes beyond them and moves to a Christianity that is devoted to following both the historical Jesus and the Risen Cosmic Christ whose Spirit beckons to us from the future.

Smith reminds us, "The oldest thing you can say about God is that God is always doing something new. Jesus pushed his own religion to newness by including the best of its past, and transcending the worst of its present. He calls us to do the same, whatever our religion is today. Jesus continues to be a prototype for all spiritual paths in their task of keeping up with the Spirit's evolutionary impulse to welcome the next transcendent stage."

http://www.amazon.com/Integral-Christianity-Spirits-Call-Evolve/dp/1557788006

cont.
 
cont..

On a hunch I checked out the term "Spiritual evolution." It was like I had crashed the "Ugly Bug Ball."

SPIRITUAL EVOLUTION

Spiritual evolution is the philosophical, theological, esoteric or spiritual idea that nature and human beings and/or human culture evolve, extending from the established cosmological pattern or ascent, or in accordance with certain pre-established potentials. It is synonymous with "higher evolution", a term used to differentiate psychological, mental, or spiritual evolution from the "lower" or biological evolution of physical form.

The concept of spiritual evolution is also complemented by the idea of a creative impulse in human beings, known as epigenesis.

Within this broad definition, theories of spiritual evolution are very diverse. They may be cosmological (describing existence at large), personal (describing the development of the individual), or both. They can be holistic (holding that higher realities emerge from and are not reducible to the lower), idealist (holding that reality is primarily mental or spiritual) or nondual (holding that there is no ultimate distinction between mental and physical reality). All of them can be considered to be teleological to a greater or lesser degree.

Philosophers, scientists, and educators that have proposed theories of spiritual evolution include Schelling, Hegel, Max Théon, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Henri Bergson, Rudolf Steiner, Sri Aurobindo, Jean Gebser, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Owen Barfield, Arthur M. Young, Edward Haskell, E. F. Schumacher, Erich Jantsch, Clare W. Graves, Alfred North Whitehead, Terence McKenna, P.R. Sarkar and contemporaries William Irwin Thompson, Brian Swimme, and Ken Wilber.

Precursors to the idea

The cyclic cosmos

Mircea Eliade has suggested that in many pre-modern cultures one finds the concept of the Fall and a "nostalgia for paradise". However for those cultures that have a cyclic cosmology, the concept of a progressive deterioration of the universe (as in the Hesiodic, Hindu, and Lurianic cosmologies of a degradation from a Golden Age to an Iron Age or Kali Yuga) might be balanced by a corresponding ascent to more spiritual stages and a return to paradisical conditions. This is what one finds in Buddhist and especially Jain cosmologies
.....read entire article...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_evolution
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Wow!.....just....Wow!

It just goes to show you...gnosticism by any other name is no less a "falsely so-called knowledge."

 
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/07/-unlock-your-moto-x-with-a-digital-tattoo.html

This combined with Bitcoin is the future
 
Thanks Susanna,
I'll be checking out that link when I get home tonight.

 
http://www.pidradio.com/2009/10/18/vftb-018-constance-cumbey-new-age-hijacking-of-evangelicalism/

audio file of the interview
 
listening to the audio, and getting to all the Christians incl. anti occultism writers being friendly to New Agers, I thought, that since all these occultism measures they oppose are simply to connect - with some difficulty - to spirits of evil, which are obvious, it doesn't matter to the devil if these are opposed, as long as the core of it, getting infested with some luciferic spirit, is accomplished some other way.

In addition of course, as long as you think occultism and evil only exists in a socialist context, it is easy to be deceived by those who oppose this and add a slam against ouija boards (which even occultists consider too dangerous) and tarot and so forth.
 
Pope Francis when asked about the gay lobby in the Vatican responded with the statement that we should not judge gay people but instead integrate them into society.

What's up with this? Kind of goes against all that stuff Susanna and Paul were railing against a few threads back.

But I'm sure they will find a way to cover his butt on this one.
 
I don't think francis is the antichrist or the false prophet, but there is no reason he could not be corrupt, perverted, even a secret heretic. These elements are known to be in the college of cardinals, who, after all, select and vote for the candidates for pope.

the truth of Jesus Christ does not depend on the papacy or any church organization remaining uncorrupt.

The Bible written by prophets and Apostles has been preserved, passed on and now replicated everywhere by RC and non RC alike.

from the perspective of RC as only church, remember that this incl. the saints and the believers dead and with Jesus Christ, so regardless of the physical church's condition on earth among the living, the gates of hell do not in the long run prevail, and PREVAIL is a longterm phrase, short term conquest that later fails is not prevailing.

I think susanna should't be too quick to trust the pope, and shouldn't think that you need him to tell you Jesus is Lord, because you ALREADY know this, and while you may have gotten it from a tradition that is RC, it is still the truth even if the papacy falls.

and/or check the sedevacantist crew?
 
"Pope Francis when asked about the gay lobby in the Vatican responded with the statement that we should not judge gay people but instead integrate them into society. "


The whole 'churchianity' lump (rcc and not rcc) is leavened.
 
Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Might help explain Pope Francis' comment re gay people. The church doesn't approve homosexuality but at the same time it wants Christians to be Christian and show some kindness even if we don't get it. These people need help.

From Oz
 
"tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."

God declares this behavior an abomination. I think He would know what it is and what to call it.

But we must know this....

...all sin pays a wage and that wage is death. Grace pays too-the kindness of God's unmerited favor-His forgiveness and it is received by faith, it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. (romans 6:23 & eph 2:8,9)

The Lord loves the homosexual just as He loves every sinner--no matter how good or how bad--we all fall short of His perfection-disqualified for His perfect home so.....good thing Jesus came to save the lost--each of us--lost as lost gets. Good thing He gave us His righteousness in exchange for our filthy rags--our best righteous works are mere rags and not fit for His kingdom--not good enough. Good thing He made the way by faith in Christ the Son so that none of us could claim ourselves better than any other. The ground is level at the foot of the cross.

God is waiting for people to choose life in His name. All we have to do to go to hell is.........nothing. All we have to do to be saved and go God's eternal home is.......repent toward God and believe in Jesus the Son. Not easy believeism--repenting is not an easy thing--it takes a move of the Spirit of God to surrender our willful hearts. It is His miracle. Call upon His name by faith and He will give you the faith to believe and be received into the beloved. Anybody who does not know for certain-not sure where they stand with God-know themselves to be a sinner in need of a Savior-if you do not know where you will spend eternity--make sure of your eternal destination---today. Trust Jesus Who paid your sin debt with His own blood--His innocent life given for your guilty one. Today. Life is short...but eternity is long.
 
ammunition in arguments
http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/08/black-belts-white-matter-shows-how-a-powerful-punch-comes-from-the-brain-2446082.html

This article shows that behavior and thought habits affect brain structure and activity after a while.

If this is true in fighting, it is true elsewhere.

which means that brain scans of homosexuals and autopsies ditto showing differences from normal people, are showing effect of thought and behavior, not cause.
 
In ancient Greece there was a huge amount of homosexual activity. Socially accepted was the sexual mentoring of a boy on the point of adolescence by an adult man (who might well be married), and there was plenty of other stuff - see the book Greek Homosexuality by Kenneth Dover, a genuine scholar. Yet ancient Greek had no word meaning "a homosexual". It has a verb but not a noun, because the Greeks did not consider that there was any such thing as ‘a homosexual.’ There is only male and female, according to your body, and what you do with it, according to your mind. The body cannot lie but the mind can. Mosaic Law prohibits acts and it was revolutionary in the ancient world. (Canaan too was errant: Lev 18:22-24.)

Secular society is the first in history to recognise the category of ‘a homosexual.’ But human sexuality is more flexible – as ancient Greece, prisons and historic shipboard life show. Man is fallen and will have sex with almost anything; this is a standing joke among medical students, who see the physical effects. What of the psychological effects? If you explore good and evil for yourself instead of trusting God, you become prey to appetites that would ravage your life: a principle that started with Adam and Eve. The idea of ‘a homosexual’ underlies the claim that God, in condemning homosexual practice in the Bible, is uncompassionate (to ‘gays’). This has confused liberal churchmen into unbiblical statements on the subject, or waffling instead of saying “Love them and tell them that they need to repent and be changed.” Most persons who identify themselves as homosexual insist that they were born like that, but they cannot know how they felt before their earliest memory. Infant sexual abuse before that age cannot be ruled out, and is known to have grave effects. Activists for homosexuality have also had their views reinforced by extensive homosexual practice, as Christine points out just above, and it is as difficult to reverse as any entrenched addiction.
 
" Man is fallen and will have sex with almost anything; this is a standing joke among medical students, who see the physical effects"

what physical effects?
 
Vacuum cleaners for a start Christine:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1713722/?page=1

And diverse household items get lodged inside women and need the attention of a medic for removal. Please google for yourself if you want further info.

 
oh, yeah, that stuff. pretty damn idiotic. I remember being in a bar once they had this porno flick on the wall, and women were getting it on with vegetables. The thought crossed my mind of what you tell kids "don't play with your food."
 
Thank you for that recollection Christine.
It's good to hear you thinking to yourself out loud.
 
Craig Ferguson once commented on a PETA ad that was to encourage vegetarianism by appealing to sex appeal, which had these semi naked women wallowing around with fruits and veggies "if I wanted to watch a woman get it on with a vegetable I'd go peek in the window at the Playboy Mansion," back when whatsisname was trying to show he was still virile at over 70 by flaunting two alleged girlfriend bunnies for a while. (probably using viagra or not getting anything done at all in fact is my guess, pathetic.)

PETA took the ad off after a very short run.
 
Who here wanted to know that?
 
You are revealing yourself to be pathetic Christine. What is in there is what comes out....you have a very guilty heart and mind and it comes out of you. Some things really are unspeakable (and the bible says so) but especially in certain places yet you speak up needlessly for what purpose? Only your dark heart knows. And God knows too. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. I tell you, believe it or not as a friend, get right with God.
 
purpose? share some humor. PETA by the way is a NWO player using legitimate concerns for cruelty to animals to help an admitted long term agenda of no human animal interactions (no pets as well as no meat to eat) and I am sure they are supporting Agenda 21. For a while they were the only ones sneaking in with video cameras exposing abuses so at that point in the program agenda they were doing good, but there is at least one other group doing this now, so its time to jump ship from PETA and send no money. Pagan too, I think.

They really made fools of themselves with that ad.
 
Come on Susanna and Paul

You had NO PROBLEM blasting the gay lifestyle before with no toleration.

But silence when Pope Francis doesnt really blast it?

I'm waiting for some good stuff about what he really meant and how the church fathers said this and that and how we misunderstood his statement.

I do not approve of the gay lifestyle, but I happen to agree with him on that, "who am I to judge?".

I just think its funny that both of you had a good ole time blasting it, and now, nothing.
 
Deflecting at 1:11 p.m. does not keep you from being tasteless and shameless. You are very gratuitous in both.
 
Servando's Anti-Anti American Manifesto

www.intelinet.org/sg_site/articles/sg-antiamerican_manifesto. html
 
https://archive.org/details/Anointing-OrApostasyTheLatterRainLegacyByCharlesGraves

I am not sure when this was written, but he figures the end times apostasy great deception was birthed in the Latter Rain Movement or Manifest Sons of God that Constance talks about p. 171 et. seq. in A Planned Deception. it is currently making the rounds as New Apostolic Reformation.

Constance noticed in the book, that a New Ager was approvingly reporting on MSOG as New Age teachings in church, presented with Christian terminology.

the charismatic movement, with the possible exception of the Assemblies of God, is infected with this, but frankly I think the whole charismatic pentecostal thing is a demonic or at best fleshly deception, and AOG is therefore to some extent infected, but its biblical orientation keeps a check on the worst of it.

New Apostolic Reformation and the whole trend away from Scripture (except for a life non altering "soaking" type reading of it) and into experience as standard instead of Scripture as standard, is setting the stage for this.

I think we should be taking a closer look at NAR connected churches and individuals and their networks. Precisely this dominionist stuff is the kind of Christianity that is in the FGBM and suchlike government and military brass Christian scene.

Someone called Joel's Army "an incubating terrorist group," and I agree. Two other people are suggesting that Christians might get persecuted (violently not just name calling and such like) by other Christians.

The mixture of this New Age eschatology dressed up in Christian terminology, and meditative mental states and occasionally more obvious occultism like visualization, is a convergence of these two.

Constance, and others, remember that either Alice or Foster Bailey said the New Age would get either accomplished by or a major push from the churches? I forget which. anyway, this is more of an issue than whether the pope is up to no good or not or RC has heresy in it (and if so what) or not, it is precisely the charismatic crew of the worst sort (Copeland and co.) that Pope Francis is making overtures to.

So in a way you could all be right, but focussing on only one thing (RC or Nazis) is missing something.
 
Christina

I'm sorry but it is NOT more of an issue than if Pope Francis is up to no good. Are you kidding me?

The leader of one of the largest religious organizations in the world and with more real estate holdings than any other organization in yhe world possibly uniting heretics and apostates in these times!

You are as blind as your RCC brethern.
 
you are only looking at the political economic side. The issue is the charismatic movement (which has infiltrated RC) and the demons piggybacking on it, and millions receiving "impartations" and "anointings" and that link I gave is to an ebook that shows the whole modern scene derives from occult connected people incl. William Branham.
 
"frankly I think the whole charismatic pentecostal thing is a demonic or at best fleshly deception"

Have you not looked at its history, at the many people it attracted whose lives were changed and who confessed Christ thereafter? It is an authentic movement of the Holy Spirit, and that always attracts opposition from unholy spirits and their master, who knows that he needn't bother with churches that are already spiritually dead. So you will find the wheat and the tares in that movement. Better than no wheat, ie no food. You just need to have discernment as to which is which. Read the letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor in Rev 2&3 for a snapshot of various types of congregation. It is a categorisation that is still relevant today. (And no, I am not discussing whether they represent a sequence corresponding to the history of the church; that's a separate issue.)

 
"with more real estate holdings than any other organization in the world"

Is that true of the Catholic church? I'd welcome a reference.

 
Here's a good write up on the subject or the catholic institutions wealth.

news.national post.com/2013/03/08/wealth-of-roman-catholic-church-impossible-to-calculate/
 
Now here's a real New Age network: exposed in a document called "The chain of environmental command: How a club of billionaires and their Foundations control the environmental movement and Obama's EPA":

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=8af3d005-1337-4bc3-bcd6-be947c523439

Let us be thankful that there are still men in Washington willing to expose such deceit.

 
How much money does the Catholic Church have?

No one outside the Vatican really knows, precisely. But it almost certainly has wealth that would rival that of many national governments. Last year, The Economist calculated that the Catholic church in America alone had a $170 billion annual operating budget. Globally, the figure is much larger. When you add up the value of the church's worldwide holdings—land, buildings, and treasures—it's reasonable to imagine a huge, huge number.

Is the Catholic church using its wealth in the best way possible? That is, is it using its resources in the way that most effectively embodies the Christian ideals that the church purportedly stand for? Leaving aside some of the church's odious political positions, is it even spreading the good kind of Christian Love For They Neighbor as Thyself very well? The Economist's estimates found only about $5 billion in annual charity spending out of that $170 billion total— less than 3%. Even if the actual charitable spending were triple that amount, it would still mean that the American Catholic church spends less than 10% of its budget on direct good works.

That's not even enough for a proper tithe.
 
Good point 10:21 AM.

We know what the bible says about the love of money...
 
Dear Paul,

Ken Wilber is a proponent of Synchronicity. Synchronicity is a consequence of the Perennial philosophy. Everything is connected to everything else - if not by way of causality, then by way of meaning.

Ready for another little trip down the rabbit hole?

Synchronicity: A Post-Metaphysical Interpretation (w/ Corey W. deVos and Ken Wilber)February 07, 2011

http://www.kenwilber.com/blog/show/676
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SYNCHRONICITY

Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events as meaningfully related, where they are unlikely to be causally related. The subject sees it as a meaningful coincidence. The concept of synchronicity was first described by Carl Jung, a Swiss psychologist, in the 1920s.

The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality (however critics state that the causality, statistics and probability theorems, is enough for explaining cases of "synchronicity", which are in fact "normal events of low probability"). It maintains that just as events may be connected by a causal line, they may also be connected by meaning. A grouping of events by meaning need not have an explanation in terms of a concrete sense of cause and effect
......read more....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity
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Unbeknownst to the general public during Jung's lifetime ( Hey, everybody's gotta make a living, right? )was that many of Carl Jung's theories were inspired by his so-called "spirit guide" named Philemon, who seems to be a character out of Goethe's FAUST. According to Martin Buber, Jung's interpretation of religion was a modern manifestation of Gnosticism.

JUNGIAN INTERPRETATION OF RELIGION
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_interpretation_of_religion
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The Occult World of CG Jung

How a near-death experience transformed the psychologist's attitude to the world of mysticism and magic


Although the arcane scholar Gerald Massey and the French esotericist Paul Le Cour had earlier spoken of a coming Age of Aquarius, Jung was certainly the most prestigious mainstream figure to do so, and it is through him that the idea became a mainstay of the counterculture of the 1960s and ’70s. This was mostly through his comm­ents about it in his book Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky (1958), in which he argued that UFOs were basically mandalas from outer space.....read entire article....

http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/3847/the_occult_world_of_cg_jung.html
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The automatic writings of Jung

Carl Gustav Jung is notorious for being more “liberal” in his psychology than his friend Freud. But what is less known, is that Jung was more of an alchemist and Gnostic, then a psychotherapist.


Philip Coppens

http://www.philipcoppens.com/jung.html
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Getting back to Synchronicity, this was the concept which Bjorn (farmer) seems to have embraced when he appeared to be going over to the dark side.

LOL You will notice that Lewis Carrol is mentioned at the Synchronicity page at Wikipedia.

One of the rabbit holes run by an acquaintance of Bjorn's from the UK named Richard Arrowsmith is aptly called the "Sync Whole."

THE SYNC WHOLE
http://g8ors.blogspot.com/
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Another of Arrowsmith's blogspots is Black Dog Star. I don't know if Bjorn is still into Synchronicity, but he was a commenter at Blue Dog Star in 2009using the screen name of "Far More."

BLACK DOG STAR

http://blackdogstar.blogspot.com/2009/05/nature-of-beast.html
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Dear Paul,

Ken Wilber is a proponent of Synchronicity. Synchronicity is a consequence of the Perennial philosophy. Everything is connected to everything else - if not by way of causality, then by way of meaning.

Ready for another little trip down the rabbit hole?

Synchronicity: A Post-Metaphysical Interpretation (w/ Corey W. deVos and Ken Wilber)February 07, 2011

http://www.kenwilber.com/blog/show/676
______________________________

SYNCHRONICITY

Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events as meaningfully related, where they are unlikely to be causally related. The subject sees it as a meaningful coincidence. The concept of synchronicity was first described by Carl Jung, a Swiss psychologist, in the 1920s.

The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality (however critics state that the causality, statistics and probability theorems, is enough for explaining cases of "synchronicity", which are in fact "normal events of low probability"). It maintains that just as events may be connected by a causal line, they may also be connected by meaning. A grouping of events by meaning need not have an explanation in terms of a concrete sense of cause and effect
......read more....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity
______________________________

Unbeknownst to the general public during Jung's lifetime ( Hey, everybody's gotta make a living, right? )was that many of Carl Jung's theories were inspired by his so-called "spirit guide" named Philemon, who seems to be a character out of Goethe's FAUST. According to Martin Buber, Jung's interpretation of religion was a modern manifestation of Gnosticism.

JUNGIAN INTERPRETATION OF RELIGION
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_interpretation_of_religion
___________________________

The Occult World of CG Jung

How a near-death experience transformed the psychologist's attitude to the world of mysticism and magic


Although the arcane scholar Gerald Massey and the French esotericist Paul Le Cour had earlier spoken of a coming Age of Aquarius, Jung was certainly the most prestigious mainstream figure to do so, and it is through him that the idea became a mainstay of the counterculture of the 1960s and ’70s. This was mostly through his comm­ents about it in his book Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky (1958), in which he argued that UFOs were basically mandalas from outer space.....read entire article....

http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/3847/the_occult_world_of_cg_jung.html
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The automatic writings of Jung

Carl Gustav Jung is notorious for being more “liberal” in his psychology than his friend Freud. But what is less known, is that Jung was more of an alchemist and Gnostic, then a psychotherapist.


Philip Coppens

http://www.philipcoppens.com/jung.html
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Getting back to Synchronicity, this was the concept which Bjorn (farmer) seems to have embraced when he appeared to be going over to the dark side.

LOL You will notice that Lewis Carrol is mentioned at the Synchronicity page at Wikipedia.

One of the rabbit holes run by an acquaintance of Bjorn's from the UK named Richard Arrowsmith is aptly called the "Sync Whole."

THE SYNC WHOLE
http://g8ors.blogspot.com/
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Another of Arrowsmith's blogspots is Black Dog Star. I don't know if Bjorn is still into Synchronicity, but he was a commenter at Blue Dog Star in 2009using the screen name of "Far More."

BLACK DOG STAR

http://blackdogstar.blogspot.com/2009/05/nature-of-beast.html
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P.S.

Paul,

Sorry about the double post. I had trouble posting this message.
 
Dear Paul,

A while back, I mentioned a person named Paul LeCour.

Paul LeCour was involved with an actual organization called the Hieron du val D'or which is pretty much given a chapter all its own in the 1981-1982 book Holy Blood Holy Grail which, in turn, inspired The DaVinci Code.

The Hieron du val D'or was a hotbed of "esoteric Christianity" ( Gnosticism )and it was tied in with the Traditionalist School which peddled the Perennialist Philosophy. Rene Guenon, one of the co-funders of the Traditionalist School and at one time a "bishop" of the "Gnostic Church" founded by Jules Doinel wrote for the Hieron's propaganda arm known as REGNABIT.

Baron Alexis de Saracha was one of the co-founders of the Hieron du val d'or, and after he died, Paul Le Cour assumed leadership of the organization on account of Sarachaga having bequeathed his signet ring to Le Cour.

LeCour and others were talking about the "Age of Aquarius" long before Marilyn Ferguson. But possibly due to his anti-Semitism and other reasons, he was relatively unknown in the English-speaking world

PAUL LE COUR AND THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

Paul Le Cour [1871 - 1954 AD] published in 1937 a work entitled Ere du Verseau. Avènement de Ganyméde, which translates as the Age of Aquarius, the Advent of Ganymede.* Le Cour's start date for Age of Aquarius was 2160 AD.

This appears to be the first book ever written concerning the Age of Aquarius. However, Le Cour remains essentially unknown in the English-speaking world. This may be for two reasons. Firstly, the French-language Ere du Verseau. Avènement de Ganyméde seems never to have been translated into English. Secondly, Le Cour was thought by many to be an antisemite. This would not have endeared him to Carl Gustav Jung, the subsequent populariser of the Age of Aquarius, and Jung never refers to Le Cour in his writings. However, Ere du Verseau predates Jung's first recorded mention of the Age of Aquarius by some three years.

(Note: * Ganymede in the original Ancient Greek tale was immortalised by Zeus as the constellation Aquarius. He was cupbearer to the Gods, taken up to heaven on account of his transcendent beauty. [He was also Zeus's lover.)

Le Cour's earlier Age of Aquarius differs from Jung's in one very notable aspect. Whereas Jung saw the start of the Age of Aquarius as the end of the Christian "Era of the Fishes," Le Cour saw it in the opposite fashion, as a Second Advent of Jesus, albeit perhaps Christianity without its original Jewish roots.

A part of the charge of antisemitism against Le Cour lies in the difference between the first and second editions of Ere du Verseau. The first edition contains a chapter on Jewish and Christain accord, in which Le Cour writes "One of the great events of the Era of Aquarius must be logically the reconciliation of the Jews and the Christians." And that a "Temple of Solomon" would be restored. This chapter is removed from the second edition. However, it must be born in mind that the second edition was published in the early 1940s when France was under Nazi occupation.


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Did Le Cour Originate the Age of Aquarius? A reading of Ere du Verseau indicates that Le Cour was rather a bad astrologer. Notably he didn't seem to understand the Movement of the Vernal Equinox Point, the reason for the Movement of the Ages, and notably confuses the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiac, not understanding that an Astrological Age can only happen in a Sidereal Zodiac system. It's clear then that the answer to this question is: No. Le Cour, in turn, was relying on the work of others. See Edward Carpenter for more details.

http://www.reocities.com/astrologyages/paullecouraquarius.htm
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EDWARD CARPENTER AND THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

Looking for the first mention of the Age of Aquarius is rather like opening a series of Russian dolls... one reference leads to another. The work of Paul Le Cour, and later Jung, seems to rest in turn on work in the 1920s by the English author Edward Carpenter [1844 -1929 AD], now better known for his openly gay life style [unusual at the time], than for his works on astrology. [And in turn Carpenter's work seems to rest on that of another Englishman, Gerald Massey [1828 – 1907 AD ......read more...

http://www.reocities.com/astrologyages/edwardcarpenteraquarius.htm
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GERALD MASSEY

Gerald Massey [1828 – 1907 AD] in his Lectures [published privately c1900 AD, but written over several decades prior to this], described many of the concepts we now associate with an Astrological Age [though the concept had yet to be given this name] some forty years before Jung first writes on the subject.

He describes the effect of Precession as moving the Vernal Equinox into the Sign of the Fishes, whereas it had previously been in the Sign of the Bull. He uses 2155 years for the length of what we would now call a 'Platonic' Month. He looks forward to a new Messiah, "when the Equinox enters the Sign of the Waterman about the end of this century", [which for him would be the end of the nineteenth century] i.e. the start of what we would now call the Age of Aquarius. In this latter respect he is very different from Jung's decidedly non-Messianic view of a New Age.


http://www.reocities.com/astrologyages/geraldmasseywaterman.htm
 
More on Edward Carpenter whose work on the "Age of Aquarius" influenced that of Paul Le Cour and Carl Jung

EDWARD CARPENTER

Edward Carpenter (29 August 1844 – 28 June 1929) was an English socialist poet, philosopher, anthologist, and early LGBT activist.[1]

A leading figure in late 19th- and early 20th-century Britain, he was instrumental in the foundation of the Fabian Society and the Labour Party. A poet and writer, he was a close friend of Walt Whitman and Rabindranath Tagore, corresponding with many famous figures such as Annie Besant, Isadora Duncan, Havelock Ellis, Roger Fry, Mahatma Gandhi, James Keir Hardie, J. K. Kinney, Jack London, George Merrill, E D Morel, William Morris, E R Pease, John Ruskin, and Olive Schreiner.

As a philosopher he is particularly known for his publication of Civilisation, Its Cause and Cure in which he proposes that civilisation is a form of disease that human societies pass through. Civilisations, he says, rarely last more than a thousand years before collapsing, and no society has ever passed through civilisation successfully. His 'cure' is a closer association with the land and greater development of our inner nature. Although derived from his experience of Hindu mysticism, and referred to as 'mystical socialism', his thoughts parallel those of several writers in the field of psychology and sociology at the start of the twentieth century, such as Boris Sidis, Sigmund Freud and Wilfred Trotter who all recognised that society puts ever increasing pressure on the individual that can result in mental and physical illnesses such as neurosis and the particular nervousness which was then described as neurasthenia.

An early advocate of sexual freedoms, he had a profound influence on both D. H. Lawrence and Aurobindo, and inspired E. M. Forster's novel Maurice
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Carpenter
 
from that pdf link

"As we have seen, many of the Latter Rain apostles and prophets are proclaiming a coming “civil
war” in the Church. A time of purging and bloodshed in which all of the “grays”, those who stubbornly hold
to ‘scripture only’ as the basis for belief and practice, will be destroyed. A cleansing – a time of bloodshed –
exactly the same thing the New Age is declaring:

The New Age teaches that the removal and physical destruction of all Christians will
be a holy act. This is carefully and elaborately explained in a key New Age bible called The
Keys of Enoch. First published in 1978 by a group calling itself the Academy of Future
Science, this incredibly revealing text – 618 pages in length – describes the wrath that will
befall those who, in the last days, refuse to embrace the New Age religion and its gods. It
speaks of a “great cleansing” to take place as the Earth is advanced to the New Age, an era in
which our planet will enjoy “a higher orbital frequency”. The death and passing form the
scene of the unbelievers in the New Age will open the earth up for a higher “spiritual
frequency”. This higher frequency will, in turn, allow a “New Communion” to occur as the
higher angelic beings (Christians call them “demons”) join and merge with the holier race of
humans, [Genesis 6:1-5 ; Luke 17:26!] who have become gods.

....Not surprisingly, The Keys of Enoch teaches that the Antichrist is
not a man (Revelation 13 says he is to be a man). Instead, he is said to be the collective spirit
[the anti-anointing] of all those who stick to the “contaminated” man-made doctrines of
Christianity and who teach against the “living word” [rhema] given by New Age religious
leaders. This “Living Word” is said to consist of new “mystery texts” to be revealed later
[present-truth], as well as the Dead Sea scrolls. These new mystery texts, or “sacred
scriptures” shall be brought to man by interplanetary messengers who will reveal them only
to the New Age “sons of light”. [Present-day apostles and prophets.] 316 (comments in
brackets mine)
Not only do the Manifest Sons and the New Age share a common belief in a rapture of the wicked
and a cleansing to follow but both are claiming that they are going to become a “victorious army” which will
triumph over all their enemies. We have seen The Manifest Sons of God claim they will go forth as Joel’s
Army conquering and triumphing over all in the Tribulation."
 
8:36 AM - EXCELLENT PIECE OF INFORMATION
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/385340/sessions-warns-chilling-obam

All designed to erase borders and expand the global reach. Systematic, on course, fast approaching the goal..
 
Anon@10:21 a.m.

Did you read the Economist article correctly?

It says the Catholic church in America, spends $170 billion a year.

$5 billion goes into spending on social service agencies.

The rest is divided into health care and education.

That's not just 3%. It's more than even !0%




 
The apostate Catholic church runs the largest health care networks in the United States. This makes them the enemy of women's reproductive rights, since it restricts access to abortion in America.

It also interferes with gay rights, because it's adoption agencies won't permit gay adoptions, schools won't hire teachers who are openly gay, and spends millions fighting gay marriage.

The current Pope just talks, but has made no changes to teaching.

The anti-woman, anti-gay church must be destroyed.




 
I've had internet problems for past two weeks -- it is crawling since Comcast made "improvements" for our area. I have a business account. That made the audio impossible for the past two radio programs. Comcast is allegedly working on specifically my problems today.

In the meantime, I'm an elected precinct delegate to the County Republican convention today. Same sex marriage endorsement was what finally made me give up my long time Democratic party alliances.

Common Core education resistance is a big item with local Republicans here, so I thought I might be of some value there, as well as on the Carbon Credits, Convergence & Contraction issues.

We shall see.

Constance
 
Carbon Credits = Secular Indulgences
 
Well, it looks like we have another "anonymous" with views that challenge attempted conversion.

Constance
 
Susanna,

On that "higher evolution" or whatever page, also pay note to OWEN BARFIELD who was the translator of Rudolf Steiner works into English. Sadly, there is virtually a shrine to him at WHEATON COLLEGE in WHEATON, ILLINOIS. So depressingly strange to me that the Evangelicals and the Theosophicals have the same "Holy City" -- WHEATON, ILLINOIS. Owen Barfield has been invited and delivered major speeches at WHEATON COLLEGE. More interestingly still, Lucis Trust's BEACON MAGAZINE gleefully ran articles on both OWEN BARFIELD and his best friend C. S. LEWIS as "Forerunners." I have them in my personal library.

The plot thickens, or shall I say, the plot SICKENS.

Constance
 
Constance, having the same "holy city?" yes it makes a horrible kind of sense.

here's what I think. Doing research on NAR (aka MSOG though there are variations among them but they all honor each other and call for unity), I discovered there was a plan operating in stages, or development in stages which they ascribed to God but probably was in the minds of the leading doers and not just something that developed on its own or by God's hand.

the first stage was the whole evangelical non denominational movement in itself.

Now of course we should put the focus on Jesus Christ and off the usual denominational differences that are not really central issues (ecclesiology, predestination, etc.)

but this movement and parachurches and so forth, though most members and probably most of the leaders who took the idea and ran with it were innocent, has the effect and apparently the goal of step one:

separate the sheep from accountability and structures and rules that can protect them.

then we get the reclaim America (or any given city or state) for Jesus thing, again, good as far as it goes, but this lays the groundwork for accepting dominionism.

if it is not outright accepted, actions and patterns and institutions that support it are established.

step three we get the charismatic renewal etc. which usually wasn't MSOG but it got more and more people into a seeker friendly and mindless state and accepting this.

also anything odd has to be of God. Granted Assemblies of God with its biblical focus kept a lid on this in its own ranks, but the unholy spirit piggy backing through the door opened by the procedures of speaking in tongues, trance states rejecting mental sobriety and saying you have to set your mind aside and let God work, and worse yet accepting impartations and anointings by laying of hands or by the push into slain in the spirit (which seems to have gotten its start with highly dubious Kathryn Kuhlman), and you get more people INFECTED.

What is seen as bringing Christians into heathen Rome by some detractors, is actually more like a move to infect and take over and direct Rome by the charismatics.

So the same holy city?

it makes perfect sense.

the latest craze in hyper charismaticism is some guy who says yes, the Eucharist is the literal Body and Blood of Christ disguised, and sells a package of bread and wine he has consecrated.

aside from the issue of SELLING this being real bad,

just exactly whose body and blood or at least spiritual presence (assuming there is any at all) is present in this bread and wine he sells? It might not be that of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

priesthood of all believers doesn't guarantee this works right. Justin Martyr c. AD 150 said the president (presbyter) of the congregation would give the Eucharistic prayers, after which the bread and wine became The Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
 
Well thank God someone is spending millions fighting gay marriage in the US. It has not been approved here in OZ either thanks to our current PM. The CAtholic church is not anti women by the way. If they were they wouldn't bother spending their millions fighting abortion, would they? Its BECAUSE the care about women and their unborn that they bother at all. ( see anon at 1.56pm)

From OZ


 
Anon @ 1:56
You've been duped.
You've been tricked, snookered and misled.
Your point of view is the direct result of
heavy, hard, and continual propaganda.
In fact they've used your intelligence and
perceptiveness against you.
I pray that the God of heaven reveals himself
to you and that you come to believe in him.
 
Dear Constance,

The page to which you are referring described "Spiritual Evolution" and named some of the persons who bought into it.

If Lucis Trust was somehow implying that C.S. Lewis was in agreement with Owen Barfield, then they were very much mistaken. Perhaps it was a case of "wishful thinking" on the part of Lucis Trust.

Although Owen Barfield was one of C.S. Lewis' lifelong friends, Lewis disagreed with Barfield "on just about everything." Especially Anthroposophy.

Saturday, December 19, 2009

The Great War (CS Lewis, Owen Barfield, and — Anthroposophy)


The following first appeared in my old blog a few years ago. I've always considered the letter by CS Lewis quoted here to be among the best and most significant he ever wrote, and it seemed important enough to me to merit posting it once again.


CS Lewis, when speaking about Owen Barfield, once said that there are two kinds of best friends a person can have. One was the type of friend Lewis had during his younger years in Arthur Greeves, and this was the kind of person with whom you had everything in common. The other was the kind of friend he had in Owen Barfield, and this was the type of friend with whom you disagree about everything: "He has read all the right books but has got the wrong thing out of every one... How can he be so nearly right and yet, invariably, just not right? He is as fascinating (and infuriating) as a woman."

Owen Barfield was a lifelong friend to CS Lewis despite their differences in opinion. They were introduced during their days as students at Oxford by another student, Leo Baker. Baker was a priest with the Anthroposophical Christian Community and taught at one of the early schools started by the Anthroposophical Society to promote the spiritual philosophy of Rudolf Steiner widely referred to as Anthroposophy.

Anthroposophy itself would become a lifelong point of contention between Jack, and Owen.

Barfield was enticed into joining the Anthroposophical Society in the early 1920's after hearing Steiner lecture on the subject.


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Steiner's spiritual philosophy was based on mankind being a part of the creative thought behind the development of the world, both spiritually and materially, that man's will was there from creation, and that will took part in all decisions that would influence the evolution of the whole world and man's place in it. Like many spiritualists groups of the day, Steiner introduced meditative techniques involving visualization and concentration of the will in bringing man back into a conscious state whereby he could regain his lost knowledge of those latent creative forces which a devotion to materialism had made him to forget. He believed that when enough people had regained this knowledge of themselves and their capabilities that mankind would enter a new evolutionary stage of consciousness. Anthroposophical teaching, along with various apocalyptical prophecies from the Mayan; the Hopi Indians; and several other sources including the Bible itself, were the basis for the New Age movement of the early 1970's. Steiner was careful not to espouse a pantheistic philosophy that replaced God with a super-consciousness that encompassed every living thing. In his mind, God was still the chief architect, but he allowed man to have a much larger part in running the world than traditional Christianity had taught.

Lewis, however, was not convinced and once described Anthroposophy as "a kind of Gnosticism". The Catholic Church agreed and denounced Anthroposophy condemning it as far back as 1919.
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http://reconditecogitations.blogspot.com/2009/12/great-war-cs-lewis-owen-barfield.html
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It is too bad that Wheaton College appears to have given "equal time" to Steiner and the Gospels - especially since Wheaton was originally founded as a Christian college. But given the state of certain Catholic colleges here in the U.S., I would certainly be the last one to throw any stones.

By the way, congratulations on your becoming an elected precinct delegate to the County Republican convention!

 
Oz 9:21

Re: The CAtholic church is not anti women by the way. If they were they wouldn't bother spending their millions fighting abortion, would they?

Irony of ironies also.... being called a "racist" for being pro-life - especially given the fact that so many abortuaries are in minority neighborhoods.
 
My mother had a dog named Queenie. Or did she spell it Queeny? Anyway, she was a dog.
 
Queenie is definitely a dog's name.
 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20081212_sintesi-dignitas-personae_en.html

Its not just the abortion clinics that are a cause for concern but also the 'everyday' procedures at hospitals and clinics that run counter to Church teaching. Its amazing how much 'mainstream' medicine goes against God when it comes to the field of 'fertility'. Dr Caruso read the above noted link from the Church and it struck him that what he'd been involved with for years as an obstetric endocrinologist(tossing out unwanted embryo's) was wrong. He and another doctor eventually opened their own clinic that runs in line with the Church. Now that he's made a start and stepped out lets hope others might follow his example.http://www.catholicnewworld.com/cnwonline/2013/0818/11.aspx
 
From Oz above.
 
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