Thursday, September 12, 2013

Matthew Fox Associates - MALIDOMA - EARTH RITUAL workshop this weekend September 13-15, 2013

A New Ager I have kept tabs on since the beginning of my research starting in 1981 was "Theologian" Matthew Fox (born 1940).  He was born as "Timothy Fox."  Matthew was the name he adopted when he entered the Roman Catholic priesthood.   He wreaked much damage across the board in theological circles.  His influence was felt across the entirety of the New Age Movement.  His publishing company, Bear & Company, subsequently merged in 2000 to with the operations of  New York occultist Ehud Sperling, and his "Inner Traditions".  Some of the most shockingly blasphemous literature of the New Age Movement including the works of close Matthew Fox associate  Barbara Hand Clow have come from the spider like workings of Matthew Fox and his "religious" associates.

Although both Randy England (Unicorn in the Sanctuary author) and I were both rudely challenged by Fr. Matt Pacwa's then defense of Matthew Fox who was subsequently excommunicated as a Roman Catholic priest in 1993 (about time!), Fox's New Age commitments were some of the deepest held in the Movement.

One of his associates was an African by the name of MALIDOMA.  I learned this on my ongoing library review which now has included Matthew Fox's autobiographical work, CONFESSIONS OF A POST-DENOMINATIONAL PRIEST.

"Malidoma" had up until now largely escaped my radar.  Thankfully, he had not escaped CARRIE TOMKO's.  Carrie left our world on April 6, 2009, but her work lives on in her valuable archives.  You may access them by going to http://www.carrietomko.blogspot.com.

Malidoma, an African promoting African style earth worship and paganism was once a professor at the University of Michigan, only approximately 40 miles from my home.  My own work is archived there at the Bentley Historical Library.

The Promise Keepers Movement active in the 1990s and beyond drew heavily on the Men's Movement, a New Age operation largely shepherded by Robert Bly.  Robert Bly worked closely, as did Matthew Fox, with Malidoma.  Fox's autobiography CONFESSIONS opens with accounts of his conversations with Malidoma (pages 10-11, HarperSanFrancisco paperback edition, 1997)/

As that was then, I decided to see what was going with Malidoma now, and I found plenty.

This is from Carrie Tomko's accounts of this gang which includes Fox, Joanna Macy, John Seed, Earth Spirit Rising Council of Elders,

IMAGO AND CULTIVATING CONNECTIONS

are sponsoring the EarthSpirit Rising Conference once again.


2005 EarthSpirit Rising Conference comes to Cincinnati

Cultivating Connections and Imago are pleased to annouce that Cincinnati's own Xavier University will host EarthSpirit Rising: A Conference on Ecology, Spirituality, and Community. We live in a time of crisis-crisis of Earth, crisis of Spirit, and crisis of Community. Many of us have come to recognize that these crises are not separate, but interpenetrating dimensions that must be addressed as a whole. It is only through understanding the deep interconnections between Earth, Spirit, and Community that we will be able to transform this time of crisis into a time of hope.
EarthSpirit Rising 2005 explores the connections between ecology and spirituality through the lens of community. We recognize that without community and collective action our hope for a more ecologically sustainable and spiritually rich world will never be realized.

Matthew Fox and John Seed will be back again for encore performances. No mention of the Council of All Beings this time, though. Maybe they have decided to tone down the channeling. I wonder what Matthew Fox's "9 C's of Education" are? They have some ritual tucked into Malidoma Some presentation. They are going to talk about "Dagara cosmology"...as opposed to Catholic cosmology, one wonders?The organizers are described here. Notice down there on the bottom the Brueggeman Center for Dialogue at Xavier University? That magical word "dialogue" that exempts Catholic facilities from teaching the faith...Check out the "Conference Related Links". Foundation for Shamanic Studies???????????????They are offering a Youth Conference for ages 8-14. Wonder what sort of program is going to fall under "creative expressions"? Would you trust your kids to a bunch of conference organizers who provided a lesson in channeling called Council of All Beings at a previous EarthSpirit Rising Conference?They are having an EarthSpirit Rising Council of Earth Elders. The Earth Elders want to arrange the "transformation of human-earth relations." Did you know you can have relations with a planet? Stick with the nuns and they will guide you through "these times of great danger and great hope"...with the help of their "ally" gleaned from the Council of All Beings held at a previous EarthSpirit Rising Conference, perhaps.Look at the lineup for the "Experiential Sessions"! It would take an entire day to explore all of these presenters. I'm intrigued by the "Sacred Body, Sacred Community" presentation "inspired by nature mystics." It includes "chants and circle dances that create a deep, connecting, and healing experience of being fully in our bodies, connecting with each other in a deeply reverent way, and celebrating the mutual blessing that we are to one another and the rest of the Earth Community."

Looks like it is taking place in a Catholic University again.
It also looks like the nuns haven't shied away from sponsoring it.

IMAGO is an "earth centered" organization located near Cincinnati, Ohio.  Undoubtedly, it has close links with another Catholic New Age organization that Ohioans turned me onto starting in 1982:  Yup, just checked and Grailville's facebook page makes that close relationship clear!

This brings me to a main point of my concern with the New Age spiritualities, the Environmental Movement, etc., ad nauseum, where they are clearly headed is in no small part, mandatory Earth worship.  This is a clear theological line that we dare not cross.  The much maligned biblical Book of Revelation contains critical language in chapter 14:


6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


The message of this movement of which Matthew Fox (the theologian, not the actor by the same name) are such a prominent part is that we worship the earth, we worship the seas, we worship ourselves;  we worship our our Ancestors (prominently advocated by Malidoma); we worship "the universe," we worship even Lucifer -- we worship everything and everybody but the Good Lord who created it.

The New Age Movement has many rabbit holes for us to wander down, but they all lead to potential ruin and desolation.  There is no advantage -- either here or in the hereafter -- to abandon our Creator by worshipping all else and ourselves as "co-evolutionists."

This very weekend "Malidoma" is conducting a form of Earth Worship workshop which they call "Earth Ritual."  My prescription?  Be aware, but don't participate.

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Anonymous said...

It looks as if there is a series of videos. To find the one I just wrote about, move the marker to the end where you will find little pictures of available videos. Go to the one marked Tortured in Hell with a picture of a man with a red baseball cap. Click. That's the one you have to see.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

I couldn't find the video there, I have seen it, and I found it again through google and listened closely.

I don't see the problem. Unless it is (a) the exteriorization from the body near death situation, during his overdose, which is nothing unbiblical in itself; (b) the telepathic communication between this guy and Jesus when Jesus rescued him from the hell He let him see (apparently dragged out of his body while asleep, ready to kill himself the next morning)? he has to use the best term he can find to use, the communication was mind to mind, nonverbal. NOT channeling, which automatonizes you. (c) heard something in his voice that told her it was real this time? it is nothing New Age or occultic that you can hear more in the voice than the words, especially if you are used to someone. (d) the description of Jesus? He would be more swarthy than we generally depict Him in Anglo Saxon tradition, since He is Semitic. There was a woman who was being approached by demonic aliens, who was persuaded by them that they were okay because a blond haired blue eyed "Jesus" appeared to her and said they were working for him, and when asked why did she go for this when the real Jesus can't be blond, she answered that "he looked good to me!" so this was a very subjectivistic, fleshly kind of personal preference sort of Christian woman.

I can't find anything New Agey about this, but I can imagine someone would use this to argue that the out of body experience is proof there is more than Jesus to pay attention to (which is nonsense), that the sense of self is this and that and obviously should not be limited to the body, blah blah, and then work from there to full out lies.

But it isn't New Agey in itself, and if you think the Gospels haven't been used to the same purposes, re read some of the counterfeit Christianity the New Age spouts.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

oh yeah, I forgot one thing, if you don't listen carefully, you think he says Jesus appeared and then after that he saw Christ, but no, he says the light came pouring in, and he knew it was Jesus but didn't see Him Himself just the light from Him, and THEN he saw Him. There is no separation between Jesus and Christ here.

Also this guy warns that seeking the occult alienates you from Christ, and even pursuing out of body experience might be dangerous, it was on his list of things he was seeking while seeking Jesus Christ also. Whether it is inherently iffy or just because it lays you open in a fluid environment near your body but alienated from the physical to deception is another matter.

Anonymous said...

I've not seen the clip but nobody gets out of hell according to the Bible. Jesus might give people a warning vision of what hell WOULD be like, but that is not the same as the real thing. Is that what you meant, 4.05pm?

Anonymous said...

Would the rather short-tempered anonymous person who regularly posts here claiming - obviously genuinely - to be a multidecade expert on New Age please tell us where we can read your books or blog going into the detail you have found, please?

Susanna said...

Craig 2:46 P.M.

I understand what you are saying and agree. My intention was to simply add to what you said.

Re: This does not negate the possibility or reality of a true "evolutionary pantheism" in some other religious systems, of course.

It is possible as you said that other religious systems include the idea of "evolutionary pantheism,"
but it would not be objectively and universally real or true. It would only be "real" and "true" for them. It translates into "God becoming" and gives priority to becoming which is proper to creatures over BEING which is proper to God.

But please correct me if I am mistaken here.

I think I have an idea where you are coming from. If you are thinking in terms of how this all squares with the Incarnation of God the Son, according to Thomas Aquinas in his Treatise on the Incarnation we must think in terms of GOD MADE MAN. Man was not made God.

Moreover, GOD MADE MAN does not mean that God changed. It means that created human nature changed. Immutability is one of the divine attributes of God.

For what it is worth, the following is from the TREATISE ON THE INCARNATION by St. Thomas Aquinas:

Reply to Objection 1: The mystery of the Incarnation was not completed through God being changed in any way from the state in which He had been from eternity, but through His having united Himself to the creature in a new way, or rather through having united it to Himself. But it is fitting that a creature which by nature is mutable, should not always be in one way. And therefore, as the creature began to be, although it had not been before, so likewise, not having been previously united to God in Person, it was afterwards united to Him.

http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/TP/TP001.html#TPQ1A1THEP1
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Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

that particular bit from Aquinas almost sounds Nestorian, I am sure he corrected any such impression. The creature that began to be and then later was united to God in Person, would not be a separate person from The Word, but would refer to the flesh of Mary from which was taken that which was united to God the Word Logos God the Son. There was never some separate creature person that was then joined to God the Son to become Jesus Christ. (Christ means Messiah in Greek it doesn't have the connotations New Age gives it. yes you can say it is a title, like if you say "the president said," you refer to whoever is president right now, but if you had a president for life you would at any time in his life in saying "the president" refer to the same person. If that person was eternal, there would be no time when you could say "the president" and not be referring to that same person.

Likewise Jesus is the only Christ, and that "anointed one" was a term used to refer to kings and so forth because anointed by God or His priest for this role, the term came to refer to the one anointed by God to be king of Israel forever and rule the world as well. Jesus is this One, and IS the Christ, you cannot distinguish between Jesus and Christ, just like you cannot distinguish between for instance, "president" and "reagan" when he was president. Jesus is Christ forever. New Agers like to talk about "the Christ" in a way unlike what Christians always meant.

Craig said...

Susanna,

You wrote, It is possible as you said that other religious systems include the idea of "evolutionary pantheism,"
but it would not be objectively and universally real or true. It would only be "real" and "true" for them. It translates into "God becoming" and gives priority to becoming which is proper to creatures over BEING which is proper to God.


Agreed. Yes, God alone is the I AM, the ONE BEING, the only one who is self-existent, eternal, and infinite. Man is created and only comes into being by same. We do not "evolve" into divinity.

I was not thinking at all about the Incarnation with this particular line of thought. I was just making the point that I believe pantheism is a misnomer with respect to being any part of the panentheism of Gnosticism, Lurianic Kabbalah, New Age / New Spirituality (at least the Blavatsky/Bailey model).

All the models I've seen entail an eventual destruction of matter - even if there is a period of evolution for a time. Given this, it would seem to negate the idea of matter being divine, unless one conceives 'god' as a being who is finite, non-eternal, and mutable, etc.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

about getting out of hell - first, this man was apparently taken out of his body during his sleep to experience hell, so he would really commit to Jesus, so he was not dead just planning his death for the next day. (note to self: take out the garbage, feed the dog, send the kids off to school, send wife off to work, blow brains out. that sort of thing. Pardon me if my sense of humor is offensive.)

Secondly, MANY people have been clinically dead and in hell and pulled out by Jesus, some of them for more than a few minutes.

Thirdly, prayer for the dead goes back so early in the church, and is validated by Jesus saying "with God all things are possible" that it is only by arbitrary overreaction by Luther against RC treating it as a racket, that it was eliminated from protestantism.

Actually, the real issue is purgatory, as distinct from hell itself. this is not Scriptural. purgatory is a temporary place where you get to leave after penancing in torment for unconfessed or unrepented of sin. The idea of RC prayer for the dead is that time here can be shortened, but no hope if the person is in hell, but we can't know for sure where he or she is.

Luther actually seemed to be favorable to the idea of prayer for the dead at least at one point.

The EO idea of prayer for the dead, is based on the Scriptural position that nothing is final until the Last Judgement.

What the angel said about finality and is sometimes referred to by protestants to reject prayer for the dead, is said ONLY in context of the time after the Last Judgement, which is not one's personal judgement at death.

The rich man called out to Abraham, not to God. So Abraham's reaction of can't so I won't to the initial request, about the great distance between the righteous and the damned, is not relevant to what God can do. Abraham's reaction to the request that Lazarus be sent to the rich man's brethren to warn them of the results of their ways, is also irrelevant to the issue, BECAUSE HE DOES NOT DENY IT CAN BE DONE, rather he says that Lazarus should not be put to such effort, especially since the rich man's family have Moses and the Prophets and if they won't believe them they won't believe even if someone rose from the dead, which sounds like a hint about how some would reject even the sign of The Resurrection of Jesus Christ Himself, though upwards of 500 people saw Him at one time or another after that and before His Ascension.

The reaction of the witch of endor, shows that instead of her familiar faking to be Samuel, the real one had turned up, driven off her familiar demon, and scared hell out of her as well.

So things are not as cut and dried as assumed by many about the dead. HOWEVER contact with them is not to be sought, and if they turn up, question them strictly and demand exact answers about Jesus Christ, and bind them in Jesus' Name to tell the truth, because most "ghosts" are deceiving spirits.

Susanna said...

Looks like some of the reports about Pope Francis may have been wishful thinking.

Report: Pope Excommunicates Priest for Supporting Gay Marriage, Female Priests

Just days after a controversial interview with Pope Francis was published in the Jesuit magazine America, the pontiff has reportedly excommunicated a priest in Melbourne, Australia because of his support for female priests and gay marriage.

According to Barney Zwartz reporting at The Age in Victoria, dissident priest Greg Reynolds has been both defrocked and excommunicated over his support for women priests and same-sex marriage. Zwartz says that Reynolds believes he is the first person ever excommunicated in Melbourne.

The order reportedly comes direct from the Vatican and not at the request of Melbourne Archbishop Denis Hart. Zwartz wrote that Reynolds said his order of excommunication “follows a secret denunciation in the best traditions of the inquisition.”

The excommunication document, reportedly written in Latin and providing no reason for the order, was dated May 31st.

Reynolds resigned as a parish priest in 2011 and founded a group called Inclusive Catholics in 2012. He reportedly said he had expected to be defrocked, or laicized, but not excommunicated.

''In times past excommunication was a huge thing, but today the hierarchy have lost such trust and respect,'' Reynolds said. ''I've come to this position because I've followed my conscience on women's ordination and gay marriage.''

Excommunication in the Catholic Church is the strongest sanction and bans an individual from receiving the sacraments. The Church uses excommunication as a means to urge an individual to reflect on his or her life in the hope of eventually bringing that person back into communion with the faithful. Laicization indicates that a man is no longer a priest....


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/24/Report-Pope-Francis-Excommunicates-Australian-Priest-Over-Support-For-Gay-Marriage-Women-Priests

Susanna said...

Craig,

Re: All the models I've seen entail an eventual destruction of matter - even if there is a period of evolution for a time. Given this, it would seem to negate the idea of matter being divine, unless one conceives 'god' as a being who is finite, non-eternal, and mutable, etc.

Agreed.

And here is another idea I would like to share...another reason for not accepting the idea that the universe is God.

The impossibility of an actual infinity with respect to the universe.

Anonymous said...

To Susanna @ 6:47 PM
Re: "Report: Pope Excommunicates Priest for Supporting Gay Marriage, Female Priests"

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Thank you, Susanna for posting this!!!

Susanna said...

Anonymous 11:03

Re:Susanna does it really matter that Adler wrote another book which suggested he has changed his thinking. He did a huge amount of damage that he can never undo while he was the beard at Aspen. His ugly control attempts while he was with Great Books of the Western World should be exposed. Let God worry about his soul. What should be done is a book about his connections on this earth, his connection to the University of Chicago and on what ideological basis it started and developed. If brilliant thinking alone leads people to right ideas, he never would have become involved in New Age.

I only mentioned the books that Adler wrote AFTER his conversion in response to Thomas Dahlheimer - or the person claiming to be Dahlheimer - when he mentioned Adler at his 12:34 A.M. post, saying:

Bottom line, as Adler said, you can't have one world government unless there is a common culture. The New Age leadership hopes to eliminate the "spiritual" differences by working the crowds to find what they have in common which can lead to a synthesis of religions. Aware Catholics and other Christians and Jews should have enough sense to say we aren't going to be suckered into a new system because academic language is used.

So I would say that in this context yes, it does really matter that Adler wrote another book which suggested he has changed his thinking.


Craig said...

Perhaps it would be helpful if I provided source material for my assertions regarding panentheism with respect to Theosophy. Here's a portion of the article I have in the works. The page numbers in brackets are to Bailey's A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. One can view this on Google books and search by page number.

First, it may be helpful to see the info on pages 148-149 regarding the destruction of matter after its abstraction from spirit. Following is my draft:

...But, this does not mean that matter has no function. Perhaps it’s not quite the ‘evil’ of second century Gnosticism, for “matter, being inspired by spirit, conforms”, [p 148] providing the means (the vehicle) by which spirit can evolve:

…The development of spirit can be only expressed as yet in terms of the evolution of matter, and only through the adequacy of the vehicle, and through the suitability of the sheath, the body or form, can the point of spiritual development reached in any way be appraised… [pp 49-50]

In other words, the outer body will improve concurrent with spiritual progression, or so it’s claimed. However, once “perfected consciousness” [p 51] is attained, the body is destroyed, annihilated [pp 51-52] marking the “escape of Spirit, plus mind, to its cosmic centre” [p 52] – the cosmic center being the transcendent aspect of this version of panentheism. So the formerly ‘trapped’ essence of the particular individual, as part of the immanent aspect, is now united to the ONE ABOUT WHOM NAUGHT MAY BE SAID.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

The totally contrary teaching of The Bible is THE RESURRECTION OF THE FLESH, glorified into something immortal and indestructible, but STILL RECOGNIZEABLE AS FLESH, just like Jesus in His Resurrection of His physical body which was transformed NOT in a way you could tell by looking at Him, He could eat for instance, He had flesh and bones to touch, but like Him we will ALL be immortal and indestructible, regardless of our spiritual condition.

Which is exactly the problem for the unbeliever, because ALL will be resurrected, some to glory and some to shame and judgement, and while gradations of blessedness and gradations of judgement aka damnation exist, for a great many it will be immortality and indestructibility under conditions they would like to be dead, and free from the pain.

everlasting fire, or everlasting cold and night, or everlastingly being gnawed on.

Reminds me of what C. S. Lewis said, that a hell for man and a paradise for mosquitoes could arguably exist in the same place.

Constance Cumbey said...

In court all day, tempted to nap, but catching the site instsead.

1. So Tom Dahlheimer is paying us visits?!

2. To CHRISTINA: Bluntly, most of the folks I've found proclaiming their panENtheism (a prime example is Matthew Fox) are as bad, if not worse, than those admitting they are pantheists. There may be some innocent panENtheists out there. I have yet to find them. You may have been more fortunate than I.

To SUSANNA,

Thanks for the valuable inputs.

To all: A new book arrived today, OCCUPY SPIRITUALITY by Adam Bucko and Matthew Fox. I'm reviewing it now and may feature it in the new blogspot I'm composing.

Thanks to all!

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

Christine, Craig, et al:

Let me express my favorite "theologian" on this: JOB.

"For though worms destroy my body, yet IN MY FLESH shall I see God. With mine own eyes and NOT WITH THE EYES OF ANOTHER."

This clearly implies a physical existence in restored bodies where "the lame leap as a hart," "the tongue of the dumb shall sing", "the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped" . . . etc.,etc.

Beautiful promises that I personally am looking forward to a future experience.

Constance

Anonymous said...

I must learn to spell everything out, in capital letters if necessary.

First, I posted the 12:34 note which was addressed to Thomas. See, at the top it says Anonymous. Do you actually think Thomas would have said that Adler did a lot of damage?

Second, can't anyone understand the situation when a New Age site posts a video with a fundamentalist Christian viewpoint? Tortured in Hell and surviving isn't a New Age point of view. Frankly I couldn't care less what the man said he went through, though his is a very entertaining presentation. Now why would a New Age organization allow that kind of video to be associated with an upcoming conference. One, it just may have been an accident on their part. Two, being anti-Christian why would they even chance such a video to come up? Could be to show how tolerant they are and that they are not anti-Christian. The Theosophical Society bookstore in Wheaton, IL carries many books that come from Christian and Jewish sources. Theosophy claims to be all inclusive. Third, not everyone who goes to one of their conferences is hard core New Age, as there are many people still searching for a place to land their "spirituality." They are not about to go to a Protestant church, but seeing that the website allows such things to appear makes the move into New Age much softer.

Anonymous 5:55, I haven't written any books nor do I have a blog. Most doing such things are competitive in the field rather than searching jointly for truth. I just share where I can. You are right. I am short tempered. Where such important changes are occurring, I would hope there would be more sharing of information jointly to attack the problem. Just doing basic research I can see where things are leading. That there is no group of people working together to fight back makes my spirits fall. Unfortunately it's happening. Too many just trusting in Jesus rather than fighting back.

Craig said...

Constance,

And to your Job verse I'll add the Apostle Paul from 1 Corinthians 15:50-52:

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Obama may have said he'd bring "change", but THIS is the kind of "change" I long for!

Susanna said...

Anonymous 9:30 P.M.

I missed the "anonymous" above Thomas Dahlheimer's name at your 12:34 post. Sorry.

But that said, I stand by my opinion that Adler's books written after his conversion - which, by the way, I own and have read - do make a difference because they are a powerful refutation not only of Adler's past pagan beliefs, but also of the "New Spirituality" and the pseudo-philosophies ( a.k.a. "angelistic fallacies" ) behind not only the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century, but also the totalitarian regimes of the New World Order. By the way, Adler was excoriated for writing his post-conversion books, so he had to pay a price for telling the truth.

Many a great saint began as Adler did....a prime example being St. Augustine who ran the gamut of vice before his dramatic conversion. Since he had also been a Manichaean hearer, after his conversion he was extremely well qualified to refute it since he understood it - not academically - but from experience

Disagree with me if you must, but as I see it, past sins of a philosopher - as long as they are sincerely repented of - are no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Anonymous said...

Susanna, I read one of his later books also. It is quite clear that you are an avid reader with a good memory. I would think that many who read this blog also have extensive home libraries as I do.

If the talk section connected with the Wikipedia article on Adler has any truth to it, it appears Adler was playing footsie with Catholicism all through his professional years. His near end of life conversion wasn't a surprise or a mind change event. However, during his professional years he couldn't let his religious leanings get in the way of what I would gently call the Progressive movement. A better picture of what he promoted can be found by looking at the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions where I found the article that he wrote.

For further information on the Center check out Sourcewatch and Wikipedia.

Concentrating on a few individuals or organizations connected with the New Age movement is an approach similar to those who approach the subject of our current governmental history by thinking if only we didn't elect Obama and when he goes away everything will be better.

New Age, like all movements, is a movement with a constantly changing pyramid of involved individuals. Those at the top are more influential in bringing about the changes taking place. The further down the pyramid of names, the fewer individuals that name will influence.

The New Age movement is a huge and constantly growing pyramid of organizations and individuals with the glue being promotion of world government and world religion. Because of this, Discover the Links and other such sites are more important in understand what is going on rather than concentrating on what one or two individuals think.

Here's another way to look at it. When one decides to invest in a certain stock, he looks at the history, the finances, the context and other such measurable things. He doesn't just check out what the head of personnel is thinking before he get involved through his purchase.

Craig said...

Old Man of the Ski posted an insightful article regarding "our common destiny":

http://oldmanoftheski.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/our-common-destiny-not-the-presidents-theosophy-and-agenda-21/

Here's a quote from Obama in 2010 at Jakarta:

“Ancient traditions endure, even as a rising power is on the move… That spark of the divine lies within each of us. We cannot give in to doubt or cynicism or despair… unity is more powerful than division; and that the people of this world can live together in peace. May our two nations work together, with faith and determination, to share these truths with all mankind.”

Anonymous said...

Constance,

Look at what else is going to happen in Boulder, CO next year around the same time. Wonder if it will get rained out too?

http://www.twoworldswisdom.org/2014-wisdom-gathering

Anonymous

Anonymous said...

They did something this year too:

http://kaiser.net/downloads/2013_Wisdom_Gathering_Agenda.pdf

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Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer said...

Father Mitch Pacwa, a world renowned lecturer, author, spiritual director and the host of TV shows on Eternal Word Television Network, is the author of an article entitled:
Catholicism for the New Age: Matthew Fox and Creation-Centered Spirituality. In the article Pacwa stated that there is a type of panentheism called "explicit panentheism" and that it "holds that the creation is inherently divine and masks as pantheism." Pacwa also indicates that Fox is of this type of panentheism, which he believes is actually Pantheism.

Actually this type of panentheism, "explicit pantheism", is not Pantheism. This type of panentheism holds that only the immanent part of God, the part of God that is the universe, is pantheistic. This type of pantheism is also called theopantism. Theopantism holds that God is, both, panentheistic and pantheistic. The Hindus call the pantheistic part of theopanism or "explicit panentheism" by the name Brahman. Brahma is the Universe/Nature or the Earth-including the cosmos that surrounds it. Brahma is earth centered and has a personality. A popular New Age and United Nations new name for Brahma is Gaia. Rev. Matthew Fox uses this new name for Brahman.

Fox's expression of Creation-Centered Spirituality is "explicit panentheism." The expression of pantheism within "explicit panentheism" is radically different than the type of pantheism that holds that God is exclusively in the Universe, is impersonable and worthy of worship. New Age spirituality/The New Spirituality - and Matthew Fox's expression of
Creation-Centered Spirituality is "explicit panentheism" and it holds that Brahma/Gaia is only fundamentally good or divine and is therefore not worthy of worship.

After reading articles and books by New Age movement leaders, I wrote:

(1.) "The belief in a world soul that is honored and prayed to, as is Gaia, by New Age Gaians, is not just a contemporary belief and spiritual practice. This belief and spiritual practice is ancient and found in both Eastern and Western culture."

(2.) "The world soul is a spiritual principle having the same relation to the physical world as the human soul does to the body. New Age Gaians of the New World Religion believe the world soul (Gaia) is not accorded the status of being the Ultimate Source, or Supreme Cosmic Spirit, but might be looked upon as an archangelic being, or Brahma in the Hindu religion, or the White Buffalo Cafe Woman in the Lakota people's Native American religion, or Mary the mother of Jesus in the Roman Catholic religion."

(3.) "James Lovelock wrote: 'What if Mary is another name for Gaia?' Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, is not worshiped."

(4.) "When referring to Gaia as the world soul, David Spangler, one of the founding figures of the modern New Age movement, wrote: 'It is generally not accorded the status of being the ultimate source, or Creator, but might be looked upon as a great angelic or archangelic being presiding over the well being of the world, or as the gestalt, the wholeness of all the lives and patterns that manifest upon, and as, the earth.'"

(5.) "Robert Muller (1923 - 2010), who was for a time the Assistant Secretary-General of the UN and called the "Prophet of Hope", wrote, 'Hindus call our earth Brahma, or God, for they rightly see no difference between our earth and the divine.' Brahma is not the Hindus Supreme Cosmic Spirit, or almighty God, and is considered somewhat corrupt. Hindus believe Brahma is divine, but most Hindus do not worship Brahma, or the Earth."

(6.) "The New World Religion views the world soul as the spirit of the earth, physically manifesting itself as the earth, or Brahma/Gaia, who presides over the well being of the world and is subject to the authority/will of God almighty."

Dahlheimer said...

Father Mitch Pacwa, a world renowned lecturer, author, spiritual director and the host of TV shows on Eternal Word Television Network, is the author of an article entitled: Catholicism for the New Age: Matthew Fox and Creation-Centered Spirituality. In the article Pacwa stated that there is a type of panentheism called "explicit panentheism" and that it "holds that the creation is inherently divine and masks as pantheism." Pacwa also indicates that Fox is of this type of panentheism, which he believes is actually Pantheism.

Actually this type of panentheism, "explicit pantheism", is not Pantheism. This type of
panentheism holds that only the immanent part of God, the part of God that is the universe, is pantheistic. This type of pantheism is also called theopantism. Theopantism
holds that God is, both, panentheistic and pantheistic. The Hindus call the pantheistic part of theopanism or "explicit panentheism" by the name Brahma. Brahma is the Universe/Nature or the Earth-including the cosmos that surrounds it. Brahma is earth centered and has a personality. A popular New Age and United Nations new name for Brahma is Gaia. Rev. Matthew Fox uses this new name for Brahma.

Fox's expression of Creation-Centered Spirituality is "explicit panentheism." The expression of pantheism within "explicit panentheism" is radically different than the type of pantheism that holds that God is exclusively in the Universe, is impersonable and worthy of worship. New Age spirituality/The New Spirituality - and Matthew Fox's expression of Creation-Centered Spirituality is "explicit panentheism" and it holds that Brahma/Gaia is only fundamentally good or divine and is therefore not worthy of worship.

After reading articles and books by New Age movement leaders, I wrote:

(1.) "The belief in a world soul that is honored and prayed to, as is Gaia, by New Age Gaians, is not just a contemporary belief and spiritual practice. This belief and spiritual practice is ancient and found in both Eastern and Western culture."

(2.) "The world soul is a spiritual principle having the same relation to the physical world as the human soul does to the body. New Age Gaians of the New World Religion believe the world soul (Gaia) is not accorded the status of being the Ultimate Source, or Supreme Cosmic Spirit, but might be looked upon as an archangelic being, or Brahma in the Hindu religion, or the White Buffalo Cafe Woman in the Lakota people's Native American religion, or Mary the mother of Jesus in the Roman Catholic religion."

(3.) "James Lovelock wrote: 'What if Mary is another name for Gaia?' Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, is not worshiped."

(4.) "When referring to Gaia as the world soul, David Spangler, one of the founding figures of the modern New Age movement, wrote: 'It is generally not accorded the status of being the ultimate source, or Creator, but might be looked upon as a great angelic or archangelic being presiding over the well being of the world, or as the gestalt, the wholeness of all the lives and patterns that manifest upon, and as, the earth.'"

(5.) "Robert Muller (1923 - 2010), who was for a time the Assistant Secretary-General of the UN and called the "Prophet of Hope", wrote, 'Hindus call our earth Brahma, or God, for they rightly see no difference between our earth and the divine.' Brahma is not the Hindus Supreme Cosmic Spirit, or almighty God, and is considered somewhat corrupt. Hindus believe Brahma is divine, but most Hindus do not worship Brahma, or the Earth."

(6.) "The New World Religion views the world soul as the spirit of the earth, physically manifesting itself as the earth, or Brahma/Gaia, who presides over the well being of the world and is subject to the authority/will of God almighty."

Craig said...

Dalheimer,

Then, the bottom line is that the Matthew Fox / New Spirituality schema is not really Theopan[t]ism or pantheism, because Gaia / Brahma / Mother Earth is not actually ontologically equivalent to the transcendent. For theopanism or pantheism to be applicable, wouldn't the 'god' of creation and the transcendent 'god' have to be equivalent beings?

We can play semantics, I suppose, but I don't see how this can be monistic or monotheistic if there are, in effect, two gods, which is polytheism.

Susanna said...

Craig,

Here is a link to the article to which "Dahlheimer" is referring.

Catholicism for the New Age:Matthew Fox and Creation-Centered Spirituality
by Mitchell Pacwa, S.J.


http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF105.pdf
_____________________________

In his comment "Dahlheimer" writes:

Father Mitch Pacwa, a world renowned lecturer, author, spiritual director and the host of TV shows on Eternal Word Television Network, is the author of an article entitled: Catholicism for the New Age: Matthew Fox and Creation-Centered Spirituality. In the article Pacwa stated that there is a type of panentheism called "explicit panentheism" and that it "holds that the creation is inherently divine and masks as pantheism." Pacwa also indicates that Fox is of this type of panentheism, which he believes is actually Pantheism.

this is patently false. Mitch Pacwa said no such thing in the article Dahlheimer cited.

Scroll down to page 4 to read what Mitch Pacwa actually said about "panentheism."

I am not a big fan of Father Pacwa, but I am not about to stand by and allow such an outright falsehood to go unchallenged.

Constance Cumbey said...

Re Fr. Mitch Pacwa: My personal experiences with him -- Randall England, Catholic author of UNICORN IN THE SANCTUARY told me that about the same time I was having these experiences that Pacwa had called and "reamed" him for coming againt Matthew Fox. I hope Pacwa has changed course, but to the best of my present knowledge, he has not apologized to Randy England and certainly not to me.

Here is a link to the article I wrote on this blogspot relative to Pacwa:

http://cumbey.blogspot.com/2006/07/of-fr-mitch-pacwa-matt-fox-ewtn-and.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/ppv95z7

Constance

Anonymous said...

Here is an example of what is going on in the New Age culture that the average person can relate to.

The entire Obama care package is New Age to its core. The local library scheduled an informative program for the general public. A very charming, smiling, attractive younger woman representing a major health care insurance company went step by step to teach the audience how to proceed with compliance starting starting October 1. The small audience was composed of mostly gentile senior citizens.

She used every lying cliche we have heard through the media to present it as a wonderful caring thing being done for the public. Negatives were skipped. Almost every challenge someone else or I presented was answered by her smiling response that she was sorry but she didn't know anything about that but one could contact one source or other for further information. She was so innocently delightful that it appeared to others that I was picking on this charming lady. While it was clear to me that she would not have been sent out without complete training on how to handle confrontational questions, others in the audience were bothered that someone would be picking on such a sweet person, never giving a thought that she was lying about the extent of her knowledge.

The thought entered my head that this was the way Jews were sold the idea that relocating them was for their benefit when they were in fact being taken to a killing camp.

That is New Age in reality, far apart from discussions about pantheism and panentheism.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 2:10 p.m.
This is systemic and systematic while people argue about the finer points of pointless religion.

Susanna said...

Constance,

If you read the article I linked Craig to, you will see that Fr. Mitch Pacwa is certainly NOT defending Matthew Fox or his "panentheistic" views in that article......Fr. Pacwa's past New Age involvement notwithstanding.

At first, I wasn't going to post the link to the article by Fr. Pacwa cited by "Dahlheimer" out of respect for you feelings over the way you said Fr. Pacwa had once treated you.

But I was sure that you would not have wanted "Dahlheimer's" outright falsehood to go unchallenged either. that is why I posted the link to the article.

Anonymous said...

'pointless religion' 2:15 PM???

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 2:15

It is precisely the corruption of those "finer points of religion" and/or the abolition of religion all together which has led to the kind of radical moral relativism that makes evil systems like "Obamacare" possible to begin with.



Anonymous said...

All religious discussion is definitely not pointless and religion is not pointless. However while the house is burning down, it's useless to stand around discussing the history of fire.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

no but you might want to check what kind of fire it is before applying the wrong fire extinguisher.

Here's one fire extinguisher I am providing: A disucussion of the absurdity of a notion that Fox is cited by Pacwa has promoting, but I find it in all kinds of places.

"Fox identifies St. Augustine and his theology of humanity’s fail into sin and need for redemption as t he prime culprit behind
today’s problems. Wars (especially the threat of nuclear war), ecological crises, boredom, unemployment, and the rest of modern
woes go back to St. Augustine’s idea that people are born with original sin in their souls."

There is no logical connection between ANY of these things and the notion of orignial sin.

ON THE CONTRARY, THESE THINGS PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH US, which would fit the original sin paradigm quite nicely. And the Biblical warnings of St. Paul that we have to fight against the influence of the old man, or original sin nature, and put on the new man, the redeemed and improved nature, and "work out your salvation with fear and trembling," and take note of the list of things that Paul gives in at least two epistles, that are "works of the flesh."

If everyone was taking this seriously and applying it, we would have a lot less of what Fox blames on the fall/redemption paradigm.

"Fall/redemption theology leads to
“sentimentalism and fundamentalism,” focusing on personal salvation and a personal savior. 3 As a result, Fox says, people have
“no ego, no self-respect, no tolerance for diversity, no love of creation, no sense of humor, [and] no sense of sexual identity or
joy.”"

This is absurd on the face of it. For one thing, how can you focus on personal salvation, a personal savior, and not have a sense of self identity, self respect of the sort St. Augustine says is godly where you want the best for yourself which is to be better and more godly, as opposed to the ungodly kind of self love which is self indulgent and bad for others around you and can even lead to bad physical health?

If you are seriously looking at yourself, and your relationship to your Savior Jesus Christ, how can you miss the issues of how you deal with others, and if you are in charge of a nation or in a position to influence it, how you would have that nation act towards other nations? (the war and so forth issues, sometimes unavoidable but would be severely reduced if the motive of pride, greed and vainglory and empire were eliminated).

As for diversity, you can't get more diverse than the saints and believers of the RC and Orthodox churches.

What the problem is, is NOT the fall/redemption paradigm existing in theory, but that too often it exists ONLY in theory and not in personal and group reality.

As for patriarchal, the idea that men are cold, calculating and violent and women pure, sweet, loving, etc. is a recent conceit.


Anonymous said...

All religious discussion is definitely not pointless and religion is not pointless. However while the house is burning down, it's useless to stand around discussing the history of fire.

That is right. I did not qualify all religion as pointless-but noted that on this thread is too much diddling about(what i said)-that pointless religion being discussed currently causing a discussion that is exactly this: "while the house is burning down, it's useless to stand around discussing the history of fire".

Can ya hear me now?

Anonymous said...

4:23 pm
I agree.
In reality there is no fighting or exposing the New Age movement on the blog anymore. I'm the short tempered one so here a comment along that line.

Most posts on this blog should have the heading..
Fan my face. I'm so brilliant.
(I deleted the next six lines because they were just too mean.)

paul said...

to point number (2) above at 9:55, by Mr Dahlheimer ?

I'd be fascinated to know more about the "White Buffalo Cafe Woman" above.
Does she play guitar ?

Anonymous said...

.....and then there is Christine who has to beat every single subject....to. death.

Susanna said...

Paul,

It is actually "White Buffalo Calf Woman."

WHITE BUFFALO CALF WOMAN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Buffalo_Calf_Woman
_________________________________

She probably doesn't play guitar, but she brought the first peace pipe.

Anonymous said...

Dear Short-tempered One,

I don't get it. You say that it is futile to divert into lesser matters when the clear and present enemy is New Age, yet you haven't shared what you know about it - which is obviously a lot - in a systematic and public way (ie, book, website).

This means that you can criticise others while never exposing yourself to even constructive criticism of your own work. Yet you speculate about the psychological motives of others who write here!

I for one would gladly buy a book, were you to publish one. If you wish to remain an anonymous author, pseudonyms are not unprecedented.

Anonymous said...

Regarding White Buffalo Calf Woman, it says "Later, the story became attributed to the goddess Wohpe, also known as Whope, or Wope."

Always something new to learn. That where the song Making Woopie came from I can see.

And maybe the religions can be blended. Wikipedia also says,
"The syncretic practice of identifying Mary with PtesanWi and Jesus with the chanunpa continues among Lakota Christians to this day."

chanunpa so close to Chanuka, the Jewish eight day festival beginning on the 25th day of the Jewish month of Kislev. It usually occurs in December. The 25th of Kislev, the 25 of December, and chanunpa associated with Jesus. Wow!

Just thought I'd help the New Agers out a bit.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:05
Just find all of the short tempered comments posted since the beginning of the blog and you'll have much of my ongoing research. LOL It wouldn't be too hard to find them as most of the serious posters died off the blog over the last seven or so years. If you have specific questions about a New Age topic, there are still a few knowledgeable researchers around, including myself.

Anonymous said...

The blog itself is less than 8 +1/2 years old!

Anonymous said...

7:05
The reality is that in the 1980s and 1990s there was enough of an audience for information on the topic. When End Times didn't come when the calendar turned 2000, interest died off in a major way. Many reasons for that.

I've compared fish in water to people living in our New Age culture. If fish could think they would wonder what kind of water is on the other side of the glass. For them water is a normal environment.

Most people can't separate the ideas of New Age from let's say freedom because New Age is what they know as reality that they take for granted.

Those individuals fighting Common Core education planning by the government are a good example. They analyze the string of actions that have taken place extremely well, but they see it as heavy handed government. Tell them, and I have, that Common Core has its basis in the New Age movement and they say thanks and move on. They don't associate what is going on with the overall movement that is changing their lives in other ways. They are an extremely knowledgeable and active group of people.

Tea party people are another example of what I mean. Knowledgeable and active, yet they can't put what is going on in the context of New Age. They are familiar with conservative versus liberal and see all cultural activity in that light.

I could go on with other examples as could others who post here, but I think the point is made.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I know how old the blog is. New Age was a hot topic during the 1980s and 1990s. Huge amounts of material were available. There were New Age and Afrocentric bookstores across the country. There were many Christian bookstores, radio and television shows and Constance appeared on many of those shows.

Constance had put two books out. She had her newsletter going for a short period of time. There were many other book writers on the topic, some New Age, some religious, some academic, some from America, some from other countries. I have a very thick catalog which New Age bookstores used to order stock.

At this point New Age has become a very big a part of the standard culture. Both support for and opposition to the term New Age looks as if it has died off. During the glory days it was never fully understood. Those who saw it as a pagan three ring circus think it has gone away. To simplify, those who saw it as some kind of utopian cultural change have generally joined causes, easily making the transition.

Attempting to educate what would be the audience with another book appears very futile.

Anonymous said...

I just heard from a friend that Beck is promoting The Great Controversy by Ellen White, Seventh Day Adventist. I'm not about to read the book, but if anyone can tell me from a neutral point of view what Beck is saying, I would appreciate it. I haven't paid to be part of his system.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

`well, if Glen Beck were to become SDA it would be a step in the right direction, last heard from he's Mormon. At least the SDA (I think) don't have serious Christological problems like the Mormons do.

Constance Cumbey said...

As I was initially raised a Seventh Day Adventist, I do understand their theology and I have read THE GREAT CONTROVERSY by Ellen G. White. I do have problems with SDA theology, although I agree not as many problems as with Mormon theology.

1. The SDA's believe that Michael the Archangel is Jesus.

2. The SDA's also believe that Lucifer was once the Archangel.

3. If both Jesus and Lucifer were "archangels" what does that make them? Brothers? Sounds remarkably similar to some of the Mormon theology.

4. The Great Controversy by Ellen G. Whie while interesting reading should be considered as fiction in my opinion because it clearly crosses biblically forbidden paths of adding and/or subtracting from the Book of Revelation.

4. The SDA emphasis on vegetarianism as getting one in effect "brownie points" with God troubles me in light of Biblical warnings that in the last days there would come those telling you it is wrong to eat meats or to marry.

5. I am troubled by the belief that Ellen G. White has the same status as biblical prophets and that SHE, ELLEN G. WHITE is the "SPIRIT OF PROPHECY."

With all that being said, I think basically it comes down to who loves God and is honestly trying to obey and please him. None of us have "perfect knowledge" and we all "see through glass darkly."

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

Susanna,

You are correct. Dahlheimer's untrue statements -- whether about Pacwa or somebody else -- should be challenged. Dahlheimer has an agenda which is not compatible with mine -- at least to my present knowledge, that is the case.

Thank you!

Constance

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

I didn't realize SDA think Jesus is the archangel Michael incarnate. oops. SDA came out of the same ferment of reconstruction of the early church type efforts that spawned JW, Mormonism, and on the (I think) less heretical side Cambpell's preaching which resulted in The Christian Church from which split The Church of Christ over the issue of whether musical instruments should be allowed in the church service or not. Probably some others. Russellites which were antecedent to JW (and maybe SDA I forget?) were part of this.

Constance Cumbey said...

Dennis Cuddy will be a guest on my radio program tomorrow (Saturday) morning at www.themicroeffect.com. He will be on the second hour, 11 to 12 Eastern time (7 to 8 a.m.) We will be discussing a back but extremely imortant book of his SECRET RECORDS REVEALED.

Constance

Anonymous said...

Dennis Cuddy, who Constance will have on as a guest, is an extremely good information provider. I have his books and value them. They are meat and potatoes kind of information, no fluff. They are not filled with a lot of hot air.

Carl Teichrib has also been a guest on Constance's Microeffect show several times. If you put in his name in quotes + Cumbey, you will see how they have been paired together on other sites.

He charges for his information, but lets some of his research out without a charge. He does have good information. Below you will find that free information.

http://forcingchange.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/celebrations-for-transformation-release-note/

http://www.forcingchange.org/free_articles

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

from the free articles "Paradoxically, while the evangelical Christian community talks about "spiritual warfare" and "putting on the full amour of God," many of these same churches can be found embracing that which they claim to counter. In seeking relevancy, we have become dangerously "experiential," and old forms of mysticism are becoming center-pieces in "experiences of faith.""

well, if they are getting too experimental, maybe that is why they have to do so much spiritual warfare!

Anonymous said...

Father Mitch Pacwa, a world renowned lecturer, author, spiritual director and the host of TV shows on Eternal Word Television Network, is the author of an article entitled: Catholicism for the New Age: Matthew Fox and Creation-Centered Spirituality. In the article Pacwa stated that there is a type of panentheism called "explicit panentheism" and that it "holds that the creation is inherently divine and masks as pantheism." Pacwa also indicates that Fox is of this type of panentheism, which he believes is actually Pantheism.

Actually this type of panentheism, "explicit pantheism", is not Pantheism as it is generally understood . This type of panentheism holds that only the immanent part of God, the part of God that is in the universe, is pantheistic. This type of pantheism is also called theopanism. Theopanism holds that God is, both, panentheistic and pantheistic. The Hindus call the pantheistic part of theopanism or "explicit panentheism" by the name Brahma. Brahma is the Universe/Nature or the Earth-including the cosmos that surrounds it. Brahma is earth centered and has a personality. A popular New Age and United Nations name for Brahma is Gaia. Rev. Matthew Fox uses this name for Brahma.

Fox's expression of Creation-Centered Spirituality is "explicit panentheism." The expression of pantheism within "explicit panentheism" is radically different than the type of pantheism that holds that God is exclusively in the Universe, is impersonal and worthy of worship. New Age spirituality/The New Spirituality - and Matthew Fox's expression of Creation-Centered Spirituality is "explicit Panentheism" and it holds that Brahma/Gaia is only fundamentally good or divine and is therefore not worthy of worship.

After reading articles and books by New Age movement leaders, I wrote:

(1.) The belief in a world soul that is honored and prayed to, as is Gaia, by New Age Gaians, is not just a contemporary belief and spiritual practice. This belief and spiritual practice is ancient and found in both Eastern and Western culture.

(2.) The world soul is a spiritual principle having the same relation to the physical world as the human soul does to the body. New Age Gaians of the New World Religion believe the world soul (Gaia) is not accorded the status of being the Ultimate Source, or Supreme Cosmic Spirit, but might be looked upon as an archangelic being, or Brahma in the Hindu religion, or the White Buffalo Cafe Woman in the Lakota people's Native American religion, or Mary the mother of Jesus in the Roman Catholic religion.

(3.) The world renowned James Lovelock wrote: "What if Mary is another name for Gaia?" Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, is not worshiped.

(4.) When referring to Gaia as the world soul, David Spangler, one of the founding figures of the modern New Age movement, wrote: "It is generally not accorded the status of being the ultimate source, or Creator, but might be looked upon as a great angelic or archangelic being presiding over the well being of the world, or as the gestalt, the wholeness of all the lives and patterns that manifest upon, and as, the earth."

(5.) Robert Muller (1923 - 2010), who was for a time the Assistant Secretary-General of the UN and called the "Prophet of Hope, wrote, "Hindus call our earth Brahma, or God, for they rightly see no difference between our earth and the divine." Brahma is not the Hindus Supreme Cosmic Spirit, or almighty God, and is considered somewhat corrupt. Hindus believe Brahma is divine, but most Hindus do not worship Brahma, or the Earth.

(6.) The New World Religion views the world soul as the spirit of the "earth"-including the entire cosmos, physically manifesting itself as the "earth", or Brahma/Gaia, who presides over the well being of the world and is subject to the authority/will of God almighty.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

These are the reasons I don't like the term panentheism. it is open to too much multi meaning and too close in sound to pantheism, with which it effectively overlaps.

EO doesn't talk about this term, it just holds, with The Bible, that God is infinite, ergo everywhere, and that He contains the universe. The creation is not divine but points to God. If someone wants to apply panentheism in its least obnoxious form to this, well, okay, but what has been discussed here is generally not what the doctrine of the infinity of God is about.

One could argue, that since God is everywhere as says so, how can there be exclusion from His Presence?

Well, party A could turn his back on party B rejecting him, while still being in the same room.

The concept of God turning His face or attention towards someone in acceptance, giving help, approval, or turning His face from someone in rejection would fit the situation.

paul said...

I personally don't believe in the concept
of omnipresence.
The Father is in heaven. It's the very first
thing Jesus taught us to acknowledge in prayer
He is holy, and holiness is all about separateness,
likened to the clean, washed food ready for cooking
and eating as opposed to the trimmings and dirty
peelings, etc., that is, Kodesh in the Hebrew.
The very word denotes separateness.

God doesn't need to be everywhere because
He is Omniscient and Omnipotent, as well
as Eternal and...Holy

And like any wrong-headed doctrine it always
leads to bad behavior and faulty religion.

The Wiccan "religion" believes in omnipresence
because it works so well for their silly
notions about spirits; in the trees and spirits in the
breeze and nobody's wrong and everybody's right
in whatever they feel like believing, etc.

God is in heaven. Jesus is in heaven at God's right hand, and heaven is the place that God created for himself.
He tells His people to "come ye out of her ( the world ) and be ye separate."

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

Being separate is as much a state of mind, if not more so, as of geography.

But in The Bible in Isaiah I think it was that I quoted, God says "do I not fill all heaven and earth? saith The Lord."

But for the very reason you point out in the first couple of paragraphs, this does not need to be emphasized, like The Trinity it is barely mentioned or hinted at in the OT probably because too easily warped into polytheism, and God's infiniteness is easily warped into pantheism.

But like the fish in the water, the water surrounds the fish, but is totally distinct from the fish.

God does seem to have a "locus" shall we say, in heaven or "the heaven of the heavens" beyond the visible heaven, OUTSIDE of creation which is finite. The infinity of God is a constant refrain in all ages of the church. He is infinite and all powerful, and no one and nothing can hide from Him, He is all seeing.

One might of course check on the exact meaning of which Hebrew word is used in that verse for "fill," but He is either literally or effectively everywhere. Being beyond and outside creation (though containing it) it is quite correct to think of Him as up in heaven, beyond even the stars themselves.

This may appear to be self contradictory and mutually exclusive, but it isn't. This is what is called a paradox.

And the finite mind can't understand the infinite, or even everything that adds up to the finite but huge.

A good example is the story of the blind men and the elephant. Each one felt a different part of the elephant, so thought it was a wall, a rope, a huge snake, a pillar, each was right in part, but wrong in taking that part as the whole.

Be on guard of course lest this sort of example be used to further religious indifferentism or all faith are equal sort of thing.

paul said...

It's only a paradox when your doctrine is
as faulty as yours is in this matter, Christine.
It's not a paradox. God is in heaven, where Jesus
ascended after his resurrection. It's a geographic
place, heaven. God the Father lives there because He is holy, and will not mingle with this filthy world.
It's interesting that you quote popular vignettes
and not Gods' holy Word to make your point.
Five blind men and an elephant??
Even in your famous metaphor, the truth is that all
five men were WRONG. It was an elephant, not
a snake or a pillar or a wall !
So somehow I can't imagine God saying Thank you Christine, a.k.a. Justina, for explaining what my
son; my Word, wasn't quite able to explain clearly.
I wonder what a new translation of the Bible would sound like if you were the one translating and
paraphrasing it:
Our Father who has a sort of "locus" in heaven, and everywhere else too, paradoxically, hallowed,
( though not separate ), be thy name, etc.

That's witchcraft Christine.

Craig said...

paul,

The doctrine of omnipresence has been pretty much a settled doctrine in the Judeo-Christian tradition for some time. Considering that the same Holy Spirit indwelling one Christian is the same Holy Spirit which indwells another seems to make the doctrine intelligible - otherwise we'd have as many 'Holy Spirits' as believers.

I particularly like the way in which Thomas V. Morris [The Logic of God Incarnate, 1986, Cornell University Press, Ithaca, NY & London, UK] describes omnipresence with its close dependence on the other two ‘omni’ attributes and vice versa: “Perhaps the best understanding of the attribute of omnipresence is that of its being the property of being present everywhere in virtue of knowledge of and power over any and every spatially located object” [p 91].

Wikipedia uses some Scripture to illustrate the doctrine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipresence



-God is naturally present in every aspect of the natural order, in every level of causality, every fleeting moment and momentous event of natural history...(Psalm 8:3, Isaiah 40:12, Nahum 1:3)
-God is actively present in a different way in every event in history as provident guide of human affairs (Psalm 48:7)
-God is in a special way attentively present to those who call upon his name, intercede for others, who adore God, who petition, who pray earnestly for forgiveness (Gospel of Matthew 18:19, Book of Acts 17:27)
-God is judicially present in moral awareness, through conscience (Psalm 48:1-2, Epistle to the Romans 1:20)
-God is bodily present in the incarnation of his Son, Jesus Christ (Gospel of John 1:14, Colossians 2:9)
-God is mystically present in the Eucharist [ED: I don't subscribe to this belief], and through the means of grace in the church, the body of Christ (Ephesians 2:12, John 6:56)
- God is sacredly present and becomes known in special places where God chooses to meet us, places that become set apart by the faithful remembering community (1 Corinthians 11:23-29) where it may said: "Truly the Lord is in this place" (Genesis 28:16, Matthew 18:20)"

In the Judeo-Christian religions, God is omnipresent in a way that he is able to interact with his creation however he chooses, and is the very essence of his creation. While contrary to normal physical intuitions, such omnipresence is logically possible by way of the classic geometric point or its equivalent, in that such a point is, by definition, within all of space without taking up any space.

Constance Cumbey said...

I thought I had posted this, but DENNIS CUDDY is my morning guest the second hour, 11 a.m. Eastern time, 8 a.m. Pacific time.

Susanna, could you please get in touch with me privately at my business number of 248-253-0333? Thanks!

Constance

Anonymous said...

Constance Cumbey wrote:

Susanna,

You are correct. Dahlheimer's untrue statements -- whether about Pacwa or somebody else -- should be challenged.

Cumbey likes to call people liars. But does not give any evidence to back up her false accusations.

Here are my statements about Pacwa and Pacwa's statements from his article:

Pacwa wrote: "Is Fox pantheistic or not? He when wrote: "A central element in the New Age movement is belief in pantheism, the idea that God is everything and everything is God." Pacwa when wrote: "Fox explicitly rejects pantheism and holds to panentheism, which teaches that 'everything is in God and God is in everything'."

It is true that "a central element of the New Age movement is belief in pantheism". However, it is also true that the New Age movement has [another] central element besides pantheism, it is belief in panentheism. Fox explicitly rejects exclusive pantheism, a form of pantheism that does not allow for (also) a belief in panentheism.

Pacwa wrote: "Fox's quotation of Nicholas of Cusa sounds like pantheism, though he calls it panentheism...Explicit panentheism holds that the creation is inherently divine and masks as pantheism."

I did not make any false statements about Pacwa or anyone else.

Constance Cumbey said...

We are on the air with DENNIS CUDDY - right now!

www.themicroeffect.com

or www.chatroom.themicroeffect.com

Constance Cumbey said...

Why do I feel as though I am caught in a vise between two people who have never been friendly to my cause -- Mitchell Pacwa and Thomas Dahlheimer?

Susanna, I had a human visceral reaction to Pacwa who has never apologized to either me or Randall England. I found it interesting that Thomas Dahlheimer spoke highly of him. Given Pacwa's spirited defense to me of Matthew Fox and even more so to Randy England of same, I will confess I assumed the worst without careful reading of Dahlheimer.

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

So, Thomas Ivan Dahlheimer, per my latest internet search is an Episcopal priest "closely associated with Matthew Fox." WELL, WELL, WELL!!!! Why am I not surprised?!

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

Dahlheimer as Episcopal priest info link:

http://tinyurl.com/kxy2yxw

Constance

Anonymous said...

Tweedledee vs. Tweedledum, and/or is it Tweedledee AND Tweedledum -- what's the difference??

Anonymous said...

Susanna said...
Craig,

Here is a link to the article to which "Dahlheimer" is referring.

Catholicism for the New Age: Matthew Fox and Creation-Centered Spirituality by Mitchell Pacwa, S.J.

http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF105.pdf
_____________________________

In his comment "Dahlheimer" writes:

Father Mitch Pacwa, a world renowned lecturer, author, spiritual director and the host of TV shows on Eternal Word Television Network, is the author of an article entitled: Catholicism for the New Age: Matthew Fox and Creation-Centered Spirituality.

In the article Pacwa stated that there is a type of panentheism called "explicit panentheism" and that it "holds that the creation is inherently divine and masks as pantheism." Pacwa also indicates that Fox is of this type of panentheism, which he believes is actually Pantheism.

this is patently false. Mitch Pacwa said no such thing in the article Dahlheimer cited.

Scroll down to page 4 to read what Mitch Pacwa actually said about "panentheism."

I am not a big fan of Father Pacwa, but I am not about to stand by and allow such an outright falsehood to go unchallenged.
___________________________

Here's what Pacwa wrote: Page 5

Neo-Platonism (a mystical philosophy which combined ideas from Plato with Oriental, Jewish, and Christian beliefs) of the
Middle Ages, especially as represented by John Erigena, Nicholas of Cusa, and Meister Eckhart. Because Fox does not like Platonism, he dubs these Neo
-Platonists “creation-centered theologians.”

All three philosophers came under church scrutiny and condemnation because their explicit claims of panentheism (which is bad enough, since it holds that the creation is inherently divine) masked an implicit pantheism. Fox has the same problem. His quotation of Nicholas of Cusa sounds like pantheism, though he calls it panentheism:
___________________________

The "explicit claims of panentheism" are "masked as
explicit pantheism."

"Fox has the same problem. His
quotation of Nicholas of Cusa sounds like pantheism, though he calls it panentheism:"

Where is NO "outright falsehood?"

Why didn't Susanna put the actual quote in her comment?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:01 P.M.

from page 5


Neo-Platonism (a mystical philosophy which combined ideas from Plato with Oriental, Jewish, and Christian beliefs) of the
Middle Ages, especially as represented by John Erigena, Nicholas of Cusa, and Meister Eckhart. Because Fox does not like
Platonism, he dubs these Neo-Platonists “creation-centered theologians.”
All three philosophers came under church scrutiny and condemnation because their explicit claims of panentheism (which is bad
enough, since it holds that the creation is inherently divine) masked an implicit pantheism. Fox has the same problem. His
quotation of Nicholas of Cusa sounds like pantheism, though he calls it panentheism:
The absolute, Divine Mind, is all that is in everything that is....Divinity is the enfolding and unfolding of everyth ing that is.
Divinity is in all things in such a way that all things are in divinity....
We are, as it were, a human deity. Humans are also the universe, but not absolutely since we are human. Humanity is therefore a
microcosm, or in truth, a human universe. Thus humanity itself encloses both God and the universe in its human power. 22
Fox frequently quotes his version of Meister Eckhart:
The seed of God is in us....Now the seed of a pear tree grows into a pear tree, a hazel seed into a hazel tree, the se ed of God into
God.23 I discover that God and I are one. There I am what I was, and I grow neither smaller nor bigger, for there I am an
immovable cause that moves all things.24
These and similar passages throughout Fox’s books manifest an understanding o f Christ and divinity rooted in Fox’s translations
and imagination rather than Scripture or church teaching. Sounding remarkably like New Agers Mark and Elizabeth Clare
Prophet of the Church Universal and Triumphant, Fox wants people to “birth” their own “ I am,” which is the experience of the
divine “I am.” The reason for our existence, Fox tells us, is to “birth the Cosmic Christ in our being and doing.”
25 Fox believes
that everyone can and should give birth to the Cosmic Christ, which he believes will awaken the maternal within us.
Fox’s Cosmic Christ sounds pantheistic and not at all like Jesus, the only begotten Son of God. He writes, “The divine name from
Exodus 3:14, ‘I Am who I Am,’ is appropriated by Jesus who shows us how to embrace our own divinity. The Cosmic Christ is
the I am in every creature.”26 Again Fox sounds like the Church Universal and Triumphant, claiming that Jesus appropriated His
divinity and we can do the same. This makes Jesus no more divine than we are, as New Agers teach.



http://www.equip.org/PDF/DF105.pdf

Constance Cumbey said...

Speaking of Dahlheimer falsehoods, the statement in the article he posted quoting me as allegedly saying "that in all likelihood Matthew Fox is the antichrist" is nothing I have ever said. While he is undoubtedly an important New Ager, syncretiser, etc., ad nauseum, I never believed him to be the antichrist, although I clearly believe him to be in league with the antichrist, whoever and whatever emerges!

Constance

Constance Cumbey said...

I would have posted the foregoing at Dahlheimer's site itself, EXCEPT he requires posters to be a member of their "Creation Spirituality" circle, something I absolutely refuse to do!

Constance

Anonymous said...

Cumbey, In the article I clarified my statement by writing:

In Robert Fuller's book Naming the Anti-Christ - the history of the American Obsession, he wrote that Cumbey said Matthew Fox is "in all likely hood the Antichrist himself."

Link to above statement in Fuller's online book.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Hb2mrW5gDbYC&pg=PA188&lpg=PA188&dq=
Matthew+Fox+-+
cumbey-+antichrist&source=bl&ots=-MMQ9hES0o&sig=_Xc79MqjXX_BPjLCqf_PX7Bli7g&hl=
en&sa=X&ei=o-z9Tq67IsvBgAfGqdWvBg&ved=
0CCIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Matthew%20Fox%20-%20cumbey-%20antichrist&f=false

Fuller wrote: Cumbey has, in fact, identified one New Age writer Matthew Fox, as in all likelihood the Antichrist himself. Cumbey claims that Matthew Fox is a pen name and that his original name can be reworked in ways that yield the mark 666:

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

I recall Constance noticing that Matthew Fox's name adds up to the evil number, but I don't recall her claiming he is or even likely to be the antichrist. The issue as I recall is that (by implication or so I infer) anyone who is going to change his name to something that adds up to that, and preaches what he preaches, must be up to something and know what he is doing. That is not the same thing as saying he is or is even likely to be the antichrist. It is implying he sort of identifies with the antichrist.

Anonymous said...

Dennis Cuddy who was on the show on Saturday wrote this column on New Age in March 2009. It deals with Obama as the New Age president as we were told by New Age leaders. http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis151.htm

The column ends with, "Finally, New Ager Benjamin Crème, who claims to be a spokesman Maitreya (“the Christ”), in a November 30, 2008 interview said Obama would be more responsive than John McCain to Maitreya’s ideas. And in response to a question as to whether Obama could be the last President (to be replaced by a group of wise elder statesmen) Crème replied: “That is still the Plan, so there is every chance that Mr. Obama will be the last President.”

And now you know why things are so messed up.

That explains so much. It explains that is wasn't by chance that Obama was being presented as some sort of Messiah as documented by the website http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ and it explains why the Princeton New Age group Institute for Noetic Science had a book promoting him.

A search putting in Obama and the Institute came up with http://blog.darwincentral.org/2009/07/18/obamas-pseudoscience-czar/ which points out in 2009 that an appointee of Obama, Van Jones was connected with the Institute.

How much research about New Age is still undone!!! It's pretty obvious that one person can't do it all. Who else wants to pitch in.

Anonymous said...

Add this book title to the preceeding post. The Gospel of Barack Hussein Obama According to Mark
Book came out 3/12
Description at Amazon
""The Gospel of Barack Hussein Obama According to Mark" is designed to initiate the reader into a meditation on what it means to be human, what it means to be a manifestation of God, and how Barack Obama is a unique and important manifestation of God’s desire for human flourishing. In a blend of words from his public speeches, imagined conversation, and fictional situations, the book highlights Obama’s real stance on social justice and, in particular, economic and political empowerment." More at Amazon.

No, I'm not a supporter of Obama.

Craig said...

Anon 5:26AM:

Thanks for posting this. I'm curious: How did you find out about this?

The book The Gospel of Barack Hussein Obama According to Mark, has a preview feature on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Barack-Hussein-Obama-According/dp/1469952793/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t#reader_1469952793

Here's a blurb from page 2:

In the year 1961, the first upside down year since 1881 where there will be no such year until 6009, Barack Hussein Obama was born in no less of a month than August and no greater a symbolic day as 4. The Anointed One was incarnated into this world on August 4, 1961, praises be unto him.

Anonymous said...

Craig, you asked how I found this. I do a lot of speculative web searches, putting names, organizations, descriptive terms, etc. together based on my curiosity. At Amazon, for instance, I will look at what other books were purchased by those who were interested in a book about which I wanted more information.

I did the research for the 11:54 post in the same way. Based on the fact that there was no comment on that post, I would guess that no one bothered to open the IONS site to see what else was there. After posting the information to my email list, this blog and about ten conservative pages at Facebook, I received only one serious comment from another researcher and two comments saying that New Age was a cult or many cults, an idea that would have been quickly disproved by opening up IONS.

Is it possible that high IQ people are attracted to the complexity of the topic, while average individuals run from analyzing it? A frightening thought about the continued infiltration into the culture.

I opened it again this morning looking for the list of Fellows. Others could put their own 1+1 together based on their own interest.

When I found this page, http://noetic.org/discussions/open/460/ Spirituality vs Religion, it attracted by attention because I had coined the term describing New Age spirituality as "Spirituality without Morality" a description many seem to like.

Personally I didn't find something that interested me until I came to the comments and the TED link where, bottom line, liberals believe they are superior because they are open minded liberals, not tied down to authority. Very clearly it shows how New Age "spirituality" influences the political world.

Anonymous said...

What are the steps leading a person to accept New Age teachings? Here's one example of many possibilities.

First we have the good old fashioned learn about nature program.
http://www.reconnectwithnature.org/about-us/highlights/Leave-No-Child-Inside

Second, What this? Same Will County Forest Preserve program
http://www.reconnectwithnature.org/calendar/events/10-4-2013/Candlelight-Yoga_F2013
Welcome the Autumn Equinox in October and the Winter Solstice in December through the ancient tradition of yoga.

Given the opportunity and a bit of lead in through various publications, a certain kind of person becomes attracted to New Age programs which promise a deeper connection to nature. There are many of these programs around, locally as well as at retreats and vacation locations. These views of nature are completely at odds with monotheistic beliefs.

http://malidoma.com/main/event/divinations-weekend-workshop-in-boulder-co-in-september/
http://www.susanmanchester.com/schedule/malidoma/

http://spiritlibrary.com/spiritual-entities/mother-earthgaia
Mother Earth/Gaia
Mother Earth is the sentience or soul of our planet. A sentience is that which is conscious or aware of itself and its purpose. A sentience is more like an emotional response and less like an intellectual process. Gaia sentience (or Mother Earth) animates the planet, gives it purpose and makes life on Earth possible. Our past is deeply rooted in the earth and our future depends upon our ability to recreate a relationship with our sentient planet. We hope that you will accept Mother Earth's invitation to open your heart and change the world by honoring all moments with respect, partnership and peace.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 2:22 and 3:31 EXCELLENT points, exactly the sort of thing I have trying to point out but you say it better, more succinctly.

I would think anyone who has researched the NAM would see this as obvious.

This is also why NAM can be viewed as a multiplicity of cults because it consists of a lot of different lead in angles.

I like your definition, "spirituality without morality." While most of them think in terms or at least appeal to those who think in terms of a morality that focusses on violence as the only issue (which means you can then blame Christians acting unChristlike for everything even stuff that was normative for thousands of years BC like the insane rant of whatsisname blaming wars and other things on the Fall/Redemption paradigm

AND ignore all issues of sexual morality, not to mention fraud if nothing is real but what you think is real).

After enough of these get mad enough at Christians and Jews as alleged cause by our ideology of every evil, extermination would not be difficult. Or at least isolation in camps or a deporation to some remote corner of the world to be hemmed in for our good and away from everyone else for their good.

And in such contexts mass murder could be done secretly.

Remember the Nazi death camps were publically stated as mere "work camps." Which they also were, but would work people to death as well as gas them.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

I just got banned from an egroup, BlackDahliaElizabethShort because I wouldn't go along with the moderator's devotion to the innocence of George Hodel re his incest trial and the possibility of hypnosis being usable to get people beyond normal ranges of activity.

The key old newspaper article posted by the moderator, which started the conversation that led to my being banned, was one that blamed the Black Dahlia murder and other stuff on sexual frustration of men. Which is ridiculous on the face of it.

The Dahlia murder, if in deed George Hodel did it, opens a barrel of worms including the potential of media to influence people. In the third book in the series by his son Steve Hodel, MOST EVIL, details of how and where George Hodel picked up his motives and philosophy in the first place come out. Movies and de Sade philosophy.

The whole surrealist movement and artists Man Ray and others, and writers Henry Miller and others, all in Hodel's personal circle of friends, is loaded with the kind of thinking that is (a) occultic and amoral, fights the idea of objective truth and reality ergo also of morality and the latter is explicitly attacked at times, and (b) ubermensch (overman or superman) notions and potentially violent contempt for lesser beings. This is not on the basis of race, but on the basis of some people being as individuals a predator elite type ergo supposedly superior.

And these people shaped the foundations of a lot of 20th century pop culture.

Constance Cumbey said...

I'm wondering if and how the Washington shutdown plays into the long time New Age Armageddon Script. Newt Gingrich seems just too happy about it!

Constance

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

http://deceptionbytes.com/category/prophetic-movement/

a really good collection of articles by a person who decided the dominionist, prophetic, etc. movement was apostasy and repented.

Anonymous said...

The current shutdown doesn't really mean anything by itself.

The more dangerous event is the debt ceiling debacle in sixteen days time. Without an agreement the government will have to cut roughly 30% of the federal budget - and this means cuts to one or all of social security, medicare (most likely), or the military.

A 9/11 style terror attack could change everything. There is a scenario where the President and executive branch completely bypasses the legislative branch to fund the government because of "national emergency." The empire could find its emperor.

Maybe this is what Gingrich is thinking? Or maybe as a southern white man he is happy that a black President will look bad?

Anonymous said...

6:00 am
Why would Gingrich want Obama to look bad? They are both on the same side, the New Age movement side.

Gingrich was tied to the movement going back to the 1970s when he was part of the Futurist movement. Obama was eased into his position by them.

Anonymous said...

"Without an agreement the government will have to cut roughly 30% of the federal budget - and this means cuts to one or all of social security, medicare (most likely), or the military."

Yes please they are all bloated and the government has not the guts to cut them. The coming showdown shows the wisdom of those who insisted on such a system.

Anonymous said...

I think what we should be watching is how much New Age medicine will be incorporated and paid for by Obamacare.

Already in the 1980s I saw it promoted by health insurance companies such as Humana. Keep in mind most things New Age do not have those words in their label.

New Age style medicine is pretty cheap and carries the message one is responsible for healing oneself. If you don't heal, it is because you have the wrong attitude or negative energies, etc.

Although there are a huge number of such sites, this is a new one for me that I just came across. http://issseem.org/

The last four letters stand for Subtle Energies, Energy Medicine. They have been publishing for 21 years. "ISSSEEM operated under its own charter until June of 2013 when it was placed under the corporate umbrella of Holos University Graduate Seminary. As the International Research Division of Holos, ISSSEEM will retain its original name and goals. See http://www.issseem.org/mission.cfm"

Look for these names. Dr. Normal Shealy and Holos University. https://www.holosuniversity.org/faculty/26/

What does Holos teach? "Masters, Doctoral, Post-Doctoral & Certificate Study

Graduate studies in: spirituality;
medical and intuitive counseling; integrative healthcare;
mysticism; transformational psychology.

Debunking holistic medicine isn't easy. Most on the faculty have advanced degrees from other institutions.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

interesting how that acronym sounds like a snake's hiss.

as for the budget and bloated sections, the biggest bloat seems to be the military, which is also scattered too far outside the country in bases all over the world. "the sun never sets on the American empire." This is not a good thing.

Tarpley has been pushing for revival of the Glass Steagell Act which would stop the derivatives market, and to have a minor tax on Wall Street (which did once exist long ago) which would solve the budget while we scale back.

Another big drain, consider those missing 3 trillions of dollars. the claim they were accounted for after a mere glitch is ridiculous,especially given the short timeframe in which the accounting was done, with all the indicators of a black budget scene existing. Between drug running and the big banks laundering the money, and the redirected govt. funds, that breakaway civilization has been draining us like a tapeworm.

Anonymous said...

Here's another Conscious Evolution New Age seminar that has a list of big name New Agers.

http://generationoneintensive.com/course/GenerationOne

Here is a second program that pushes the Conscious Evolution theme. If you a one who doesn't know who Barbara Marx Hubbard is, here a good bio at this site. This time the program is connected with Wisdom University. http://www.wisdomuniversity.org/conscious-evolution.htm

Here's the political side of Conscious Evolution. You are to change so you can change the world around you, to the liberal side of course.
http://www.evolutionaryleaders.net/acalltoconsciousevolution

paul said...

I see that Holos is a "seminary"

Anonymous said...

Yes Paul, that's pretty clear. Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

Anonymous said...

Interesting coincidence?

Zero enrollment to Obamacare in the state of Louisiana

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360210/zero-enroll-new-la-plan-obamacares-first-day-andrew-Johnson


Tropical Storm 'Karen' possibly headed for Louisiana

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/

Craig said...

YIKES! NAR member Rick Joyner suggests his followers should call on "God" for military takeover of US:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/christian-tv-host-asks-god-military-takeover

"That's why I appeal to the Lord: Don't let us be totally destroyed, please raise up those who will save us. And as I've been telling friends for a long time, no election is going to get the right person in there because the system is so broken."

Joyner added that the "only hope is a military takeover, martial law."

"And that the most crucial element of that is who to the martial [sic] is going to be," he said. "I believe there are noble leaders in our military that love the republic and love everything we stand for. And they could seize the government."

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

hmmm. Joyner represents exactly the kind of thing that Antipasministries.com warns about. And given the dominionist tendency to martialism, I would think that massacres of the poor and of Christians who are not dominionist might go along with it.

Susanna said...

Hans Küng says he is considering assisted suicide


http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19248

I am simply going to allow this article to speak for itself.

Anonymous said...

"Hans Küng says he is considering assisted suicide."

I couldn't possibly comment!

Anonymous said...

Bank of America was advertising this free educational service:

https://www.khanacademy.org/about/our-supporters

All of these benevolent companies are helping to support Common Core:

https://www.khanacademy.org/commoncore

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

stop doing business with B of A. boycott them.

Anonymous said...

New Age can be described as a way to bring about planned cultural change with long term goals.

Given an overview of what is going on, I think we can see a basic New Age method of control based on aroused emotions which can be deliberately manipulated.

Either something exists in the material world or it does not. How we see the things that exist can be manipulated by ourselves and others through the use of emotional controls.

New Age leaders have been bringing about large scale changes. At the adult level, New Age leaders such as Barbara Marx Hubbard are teaching an adult population that the emotions are the best judge for small and large scale decision making. They are doing this in many ways, one promoting Conscious Evolution as a standard for accepting what should be changed in the material world. Conscious Evolution promotes an emotional acceptance of the direction that New Age leaders present as good things. A short popular way of thinking about this is "If you make it they will come." A person is not to analyze factual information in decision making. It teaches acceptance of the wishful thinking in what New Age leaders present as good change.

Common Core education, another New Age connected operation, teaches acceptance in the same way to the young. It teaches there are no right and wrong concrete standards. All life decisions are to be based on acceptance of emotional standards.

Examples: For instance, Hans Kung, a big name theologian who seems to go along with New Age ideas, now emotionally believes assisted suicide is a good thing, something based on one's emotional feelings at the moment. Under monotheism, suicide is considered a sin. http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19248

Obama could be the poster boy on manipulation through controlling the emotions of the target US audience.

Obama and the Democrats in particular, totalitarian regimes, and con artists all depend on emotional manipulation. All of the tactics coming out of the White House in connection with the current shutdown are based on emotional manipulation, everything from shutting down down government controlled places that bring people pleasure, name calling of opponents, and plain old stubbornness are some of the tactics used to reach their goals.

Common Core now in US education is based on Social/Emotional learning, described here. http://www.isbe.state.il.us/learningsupports/html/sel.htm

http://www.edsource.org/today/2013/social-and-emotional-learning-gaining-new-traction-under-common-core/32161

This is a short version of the changes I see taking place in the culture as a result of New Age planned change. Much more documentation could be presented in a long article.

da

Anonymous said...

I posted this at Facebook
Crafty! Arizona unveils plan to fool parents by changing Common Core name, nothing else.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/crafty-arizona-unveils-plan-to-fool-parents-by-changing-common-core-name-nothing-else/

and Helen replied
They always do that. UN Agenda 21 is now called "Future Earth". Global Warming went to Climate Change, Smart Cities is a/k/a Smart Growth or Sustainable Development. It goes on and on.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"the emotions are the best judge for small and large scale decision making."

to some extent, this began a few hundred years ago with the German Romantic movement,
and nut cases like Shelly, Byron and a hellslew of writers, artists and poets who
have somehow become accepted as classical English literature, great, etc. etc.

This movement also played a major role in the development of political movements, the ethnic
nationalism back of panslavism, panturkism, pangermanism, etc. etc.
and argues that a nation should be a people identifiable by language, blood and culture.

(while these exist as realities to some extent, their power as realities lies in being overly focussed on by the members. Nazism was a major exponent of this. The colonial border drawing in Africa that crossed tribal lines, made for
a kind of unreliability in loyalty to post colonial governments and set everyone up for ethnic tribal demagogues. The horror in Rwanda happened when Kofi Annan, himself of one of the two relevant tribes, ordered a man who reported weapons stashes to NOT destroy them, making possible the subsequent massacres started by the same ethnic group Annan hails from.)

I read once that the ancient nordics viewed love poetry as a kind of witchcraft type attack to seduce, cast a spell. I forget which part of the northern countries this was in, perhaps all of them.

Spell casting incl. a lot of emotional mental manipulation of the target. Aside from actual paranormal stuff. But a bias towards subjectivism makes you more amenable to stuff whether of words and rythm to create a mental state, or spirits or psychic messages that work on your mind and feelings.

The rise of the "do your own thing" ideal and criticism of 9-5 workers as fools and ordinary life is so boring and so forth and then the ME generation and all this, now New Age and Common Core, sets the stage for a population that can be led by demagogues and mood swaying media entertainment.

I am amazed at how people groove to stuff that is pure garbage, whether in the category of "classical music," itself not without occult connections on the part of some composers, or rock and its variants.

Adam Weishaupt in his lectures to various levels of initiates, laid out the full picture at the priest level, that every man should be the unfettered lord and priest of his own family as was Abraham (so he said), and the atomized masses of course without govt. or formal leaders with any structure or accountability, or indeed standards to judge them by, would be ruled by those who were expert in manipulation.

So much for grass roots movements, eh?

Twist the masses and espouse the will of the people while shaping that will, and you have a dictatorship disguised as democracy. or even as a democratic republic. libertarianism, though it is a good counterbalance to some trends in govt. now, would itself fit nicely in this. Any form of govt. could be rendered irrelevant in this scenario. The real rulers would be whoever controls media and money, and shapes public opinion to accept this, reject that, and blindly follow charismatic leaders who pop up out of nowhere.

St. Paul said, "if we would judge ourselves, we would not have to be judged by God." Somewhere in the Prophets or maybe in Psalms, God says something like we should not be like horses that have to be controlled by reins and bits but control ourselves.

The animal fit for sacrifice (and under the Mosaic Covenant, for eating) split the hoof and chewed the cud.

What does this say? capable of shifting weight and keeping stable even on rocky and unstable ground, but keeping to the direction one is headed in without being disrupted.

AND, not just take in a digest and make a part of yourself everything that comes into your ears or eyes or even sense of smell, but pull out these ideas and reexamined them, chew them over, reject the bad and keep the good. Not like the emotion or habit or greed or glory driven herd.



Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

Southern Poverty Law Center (supports gays and abortion as well as minorities, but that's another matter, their intelligence on who is up to what is usually good, whether you side with the people they are opposing or support them) took note of Joyner's call for a military coup, and noted

"One of the more disturbing aspects of this pronouncement is the fact that Joyner — who heads up the dominionist Oak Initiative, which seeks out “Christian leaders” and then tries to place them within the halls of government, including the military — is also a close associate of retired Gen. Jerry Boykin."

In other words, an existing network is in place that might follow his lead in this direction.

Anonymous said...

"Under monotheism, suicide is considered a sin"

Not so fast! I disapprove of assisted suicide, but as for suicide itself... there is no condemnation of it in the old Testament - nothing in the Law of Moses about "cutting off from Israel" the families of suicides, or people who attempt suicide and fail (you can bet it went on just as today and there were plenty of plant-derived poisons). Some denominations condemn it in strong terms, but if somebody finds the life that God has given him so unbearable that he wishes to give it back, who is man to condemn him when God is silent in the comprehensive list of sins that is Mosaic Law?

Best Christian article I know on (non-assisted) suicide:

http://www.cmf.org.uk/publications/content.asp?context=article&id=1365

Anonymous said...

10/03/13

Christine Lagarde tells US that debt crisis threatens world economy

IMF chief says US politicians must overcome shutdown and raise US debt ceiling before 17 October deadline

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/03/christine-lagarde-us-debt-crisis-shutdown

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

RC considers suicide the unforgiveable sin assuming the person is in his or her right mind when the suicide occurs. This is based on some convoluted reasoning plus Paul in I Corinthians saying that we are the temple of God and who destroys His temple He will destroy, but the context is shaky for suicide, but might be extrapolatable to it.

Some saint martyrs could be argued to have committed suicide by turning themselves in as Christians, without being caught, and in the earlier days this didn't seem to be such a problem, since some nuns threw themselves into a river to die rather than get raped by some barbarian invaders, and a Christian woman, wife of a man in Nero's court, learned she was sold to Nero to rape, and grabbing a sword killed herself to escape this so this didn't seem to be that big of a deal.

St. Augustine in arguing that a pagan who heard of nice afterlife killed himself to get there was silly, and said that one would hardly recommend a convert slave to kill himself lest he be pressured to sin by his owner and be unable to keep resisting the orders, didn't raise the issue of this being an unspeakably horrible sin.

Suicide however, is something encouraged by satanic culture and some pagan cultures, and in the current context is hardly anything to be encouraged.

Certainly suicide done from the perspective of being one's own absolute owner and deciding one's own fate is sin of pride, as distinct from weighing various options and deciding death is preferable. Killing yourself to defraud an insurance company or otherwise to keep one's family in money, strikes me as morally dubious after all, you wouldn't kill someone else to gain monetarily, why kill yourself to have another gain, but for the most
part, suicide is part of the whole death culture being promoted by the supposedly life affirming loving blissed out NAM so for that reason alone should be avoided under most circumstances.

That said, there is an old saying, "save the last bullet for yourself," from the Indian wars days, because you don't want to get tortured to death. And I have always appreciated the Japanese soldier who machine gunned some American or Australian nurses on an island the Japanese were landing on, before his fellow soldiers could get their hands on them.

This is a very dicey subject.

The whole issue of suicide and assisted suicide and euthanasia began on the battlefield, and should have stayed there.

I think the tendency to be too quick to kill excess or otherwise inconvenient animals sets a stage for a similar attitude to humans.

It is argued that we are better than animals so euthanasia is wrong. Problem is, if euthanasia is a kindness, and we should be kind to animals, and if humans are better than animals, then it is all the more important to be kind to humans, so euthanasia is okay.

whatever the merits of euthanasia, which is what assisted suicide pretty much is, the problem is that the CONTEXT all this is developing in allows
1. abuses that push people (weak minded normally or weak at the moment) into this and
2. creeping extermination operations. Hitler's exterminations of millions of people started with legalizing euthanasia.

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