Friday, May 10, 2013

Dennis Cuddy's new book THE POWER ELITE AND THE NAZI SECRET PLAN

We are privileged the first hour of my program tomorrow morning on THEMICROEFFECT.COM or TMERADIO.com to feature Dennis Cuddy who will be discussing his most recent book, THE POWER ELITE AND THE NAZI SECRET PLAN.  Dennis was kind enough to send me a review copy which I have perused with interest.  We will talk about it the first hour of my two hour Saturday morning program on the Microeffect.com network.  It will air at 7 a.m. Pacific time, 8 a.m. Mountain time, 9 a.m. Central time, and last, but not least, 10 a.m. Eastern time, the time zone for yours truly and Dennis Cuddy.

Join us either in the chatroom or on the air live by calling 888-747-1968 or both!

Stay tuned!

CONSTANCE
Comments:
With all my respect to the poster on the last topic who said we should say, "Jesus the son of the Creator" to Muslims, I don't see the point of political correctness.

Muslims need to hear truth, just like anyone else and the problem is that too many people are afraid of offending them. They need to hear about Jesus, the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us through whom all things were created. They need to hear about Jesus the promised seed that defeated Satan.

The good news of salvation is never politically correct and will offend a lot of people, but remember it is the power of salvation to all who believe first to the Jew and also to the Greek as Paul said.

Muslims, Buddhists for a time Soviet Union, or people that are born in cultures that have been deprived of the gospel do not have an accurate understanding of God's redemption plan and how it applies to them. About 2000 years ago none of the nations did. If it weren't for a small group of Jews who took the Gospel from Jerusalem to the nations, no one would believe. We should all be grateful that the disciples didn't worry about offending people or none of us would believe today.

Muslims have no hope whatsoever of salvation unless the blow themselves for the cause of jihad, they have no concept of a loving God who could give himself up so they could have life so let's try to offend as many Muslims with the gospel as possible in hopes that a few will listen.

Justin
 
Thank you Justin for those entirely correct observations.

Constance
 
"With all my respect to the poster on the last topic who said we should say, "Jesus the son of the Creator" to Muslims, I don't see the point of political correctness."

Justin, that's me. I'm used to being called many things but politically correct is not one of them! The point is to preach to Muslims without compromise (agreed!) and in such a way that they will hear the gospel. If you say that "Jesus is the son of Allah" they will reflex-quote the Quran saying that Allah has no son and walk away. Say that Jesus is the son of 'Jehovah' (Yahuweh) and they will say that they do not use that name. I admit that if you say Jesus is the son of the creator then you risk the reply "Allah is the creator and Allah has no son so the creator has no son" but you are forcing them to think and that opens the door to dialogue, for some at least - you can use the points of similarity between the OT and the Quran to build bridges and then question the points of divergence. Have you ever entered into this kind of discussion with Muslims? The point is to listen respectfully (respect is for the image of God in them, not their views) and to ask leading questions.
 
I didn't say that we should preach to them that Jesus is the Son of Allah, but that is exactly what many muslims WERE saying in Sarajevo before the Serbian atrocities polarized them away from their Christian neighbors.

As for the Allah has no son, "he begets not nor is he begotten and there is none like unto him," says the Koran, which I have read in two different translations twice, the second one being the officially approved English version out of Saudi Arabia.

The answer to that I would argue, is that if you are talking about having a son like pagan gods had sons and daughters, by having sex with mortal women and producing hybrids, then indeed, Allah has no son, because that is NOT how Jesus was Incarnated (Islam does acknowledge the virgin birth) and Jesus is NOT the product of God having sex with Mary and producing a hybrid demigod.

The other big problem is that they think that Jesus didn't die on the Cross but a phantom took His place and He was taken directly to heaven, because God would not abandon a prophet before his mission was done.

The answer to that I think, is that "what if the prophet's mission included that He had to die, in order to be raised from the dead to show God's power over even death itself?"

Finally, some four versions of the Koran were circulating in Caliph Omar's time, he ordered three versions burned. What if he saved the wrong version?

These points should derail a lot of certainty on a moslem's part.

In Germany some people were working a while back, on a Koran from among those rejected recensions someone found, I don't know the upshot of that yet.

One muslim scholar has said that the Koran was written not in Arabic but Aramaic, that some things about it make more sense if viewed as Aramaic, and this also means that some words have been mistranslated into Arabic, for instance the virgins the martyr receives in heaven are not virgins but some kind of food I think it was, I forget what. Other flaws in interpretation as well. So there is a kind of deconstruction of islam you can do.
 
Christine,

The earliest version of the tale that Omar burned the variant versions of the Quran that were circulating itself comes from long after Omar's time. And Yes, there is indeed evidence for an Aramaic Quran. The book "Did Muhammad Exist?" by Robert Spencer, despite its rabble-rousing title, is an excellent summary for non-readers of the original languages of recent scholarly work into the origins of Islam, and the result is startlingly different from Islam's own account.

 
Anonymous 9:15

Engaging with Muslims is a good thing and so is being respectful, but their Quran is a based on a lying vision that Mohamed received from the angel Gabriel according to them. That's the same angel that brought the good news about Jesus. He was either lying to Mary, or that was some other angel disguised as an angel of light speaking to Mohamed. Since Satan is disguised as an angel of light, you can decide who inspired the Quran and if it is demonically inspired why would you want to mention it at all?

I know lots of people that want to discuss the Quran, but I don't see the need for that. I think it's just a trap. God's word is powerful truth and it never returns empty regardless of who you discuss it with because it's his word. His word has a lot more power than our words or intellect.

Justin
 
Justin,

I am not talking about religious dialogue with Muslims - pointless I agree - I am talking about preaching the gospel to them. But if you tell them to shut up whenever they mention the Quran then they are not going to listen to you when you talk about the gospel, are they? I believe we are are singing from the same hymn sheet, but I wonder if you have ever tried 1:1 evangelisation with a Muslim?

 
Yes, I share the gospel with whoever God brings along my path.

I listen politely and change the subject if the door is open to talk to them. If it's not, I don't. God is the one who brings salvation so the good news is it isn't my job to convert anyone.

Justin
 
Agreed Justin - I never mentioned "converting" anybody.
 
Justin...

Great response. The truth is always the best approach. Our role as Believers in Jesus is to clearly and accurately communicate the truth in love. It's the convicting power of the Holy Spirit that changes the heart not our creative messaging.


Dave in CA
 
Anonymous 11:13

Wasn't meaning to suggest you did. I was simply sharing how I approach Muslims or anyone else.

May God give us all wisdom in these challenging days.

Justin
 
excellent show, I was too sleepy to listen to the second hour. Scribd has a copy of this book

http://www.scribd.com/doc/40459728/The-Power-Elite-and-the-Secret-Nazi-Plan

I strongly suggest everyone here read it.
 
Today I went to a pro-heterosexual marriage rally outside a state senator's office. Who was there also? A very large homosexual contingent waving at least eight very, very large, maybe six feet by eight feet, rainbow flags. Knowing what I know about the entire background of the homosexual movement, (I doubt you can teach me anything Christine) the first thing that came to mind was the title of the Cumbey book, Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow. I know the title referred to much else, but what came to mind was the hidden dangers of the homosexual movement. They are one of the most cut throat edges of the New Age movement.

The pro-heterosexual marriage rally on a busy corner lasted about 45 minutes. Many people came out, but the number in actuality was small, not because so few people care, but because so few people care enough to get off their duffs.
 
As I once read in a book about Sweden, because they had sexual freedom, they thought they were free. Something about focusing on the need for personal sexual fulfillment as the root of everything in a civilized world leads to chaos where anything can happen. It's a form of escapism. Self-discipline? Foolish thought. The belief that everything will sort itself out for the betterment of everyone because all human beings are basically good is just escapism. Same pattern going on here in the US.

This video on immigration patterns in Sweden might as well be labeled New Age planning in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07PZgUOL-o&feature=youtu.be

I may be offensive in my comment here, but Christian posters here are so self-centered. The projected message is for an individual to be personally saved and the rest of the world can go to hell with all of the destructiveness connected to it. If that isn't a Gnostic message I don't know what is. Gnostic thinking says the material world we live in is evil. Ignore it. Live in the spiritual world. Yes, it's very complicated. It's escapism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

Ignoring what monotheistic history teaches and moving into a supposed nice safe cave of Christian thinking is no different than escaping into drugs, alcoholism or any other form of escape. Everyone is looking for an escape of some kind. The real world can be harsh. Don't bother to respond. Your escapism is somehow different.
 
whichever anon you are, I agree with you to some extent. every time I start on some big picture matter you or whoever thinks is a waste of time, it is exactly with this goal of having some impact on things, not just hiding, in mind. When I give a tool to use in arguing against some NAM or NWO specific part, it is with the intent of having some impact on the scene at large.

We may not be able to save all these souls, but we can do the following.

1. slow the advance of what may be inevitable. if this round is another dry run it is not inevitable if staved off long enough. If it is going to end in the antichrist appearing then we can only stave it off, not stop it.

however, buying time means more can be saved.

2. create possible safe zones some can run to.

and so forth.

NAM and NWO is a multi headed tentacled hydra, and some parts can be cut off by some of us, some other parts by others of us.

Consider the "paradigm" of a monster movie. Some people get eaten, some people don't, partly by accident and partly by action of other people who DO something.

That person you turn from this stuff may not become Christian but that person MAY in turning against the worst of the evil play a role in protecting some Christians later or making an intellectual environment that doesn't take NAM and NWO ideas for granted and thus helps some question and escape the trap, whether spiritual or physical.
 
Christine, you focus so much on minutia that the bigger picture gets totally erased.
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-11/guess-what’s-hidden-immigration-bill-national-biometric-database-citizens

biometric id for us citizens to be mandatory to work under new immigration law
 
Dear 12:02am,

Aren't you forgetting something? You are seeing on this blog a debate between Christians - which used to take place in private before the internet - and assuming that all we do is talk at each other. You have no knowledge of how we live our lives, which is more important to Jesus and perhaps to the world.

 
4:39 This blogspot is supposed to be about the New Age movement. How Christianity affects it is only one part though a valuable one. I may see things differently, but when missionizing for Christianity takes over against a fight against the New Age movement I have to realize that's where heads are at.
 
This blogspot is run by a Christian so that's where HER head is at anyway.

The big picture of NAM is that it will not tolerate a biblical Christ - a specific Person Who is YHWH part of the YHWH Trinity Elohim (plural ending there im) Incarnate, died as sacrifice about the time of the Passover being the fulfillment that the Passover lamb prefigured, Passover lamb being for those following Moses out of Egypt and Jesus the Passover for all, and risen to life again literally from the dead.

Only the mystical self centered dreamy state versions of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are tolerated in NAM system. Nothing that focusses on God as real, a PERSON Who has specific goals and opinions the Only One Whose opinions count, Who we should obey instead of thinking He is a higher part of ourselves we are to manifest.

THAT is the big picture, rebellion against YHWH and worship of the self, "ye shall be as gods," knowledge of good and evil being the nietzschean beyond good and evil, experiential knowledge and defining for self like one is God.

The major drivers to accomplish this on the political scene are Hubbard-Theosophy stuff, and more obviously cold blooded nazism.


 
'...the big picture, rebellion against YHWH and worship of the self, "ye shall be as gods," knowledge of good and evil being the nietzschean beyond good and evil, experiential knowledge and defining for self like one is God.'

Hey Christine, you (and Constance) wage a good warfare against the evils of NAM and NWO types who have been captivated by the-chief-deceiver, the-arch-self-deceived-one, himself.

Great example Constance, of patient perseverance, in the face of a deluge of evil mockery.

Yes, we are called to be more than over-comers because of Yeshua who more than overcame, for us.

May HaShem Himself ever only be your very present Shield and Exceeding Great Reward.

Baruch HaShem!!!

David W. Zavitz
 
Anonymous 12:02....

Clearly and accurately communicating the truth in love includes all aspects of life that are in need of God's love and grace, as well as the most important human need, personal salvation.

Dave in CA
 
Until the anti-Christ appears on the scene and someone points him or her out, any attempt at exposing the New Age movement agenda will be considered useless. This blog spent 15 years speculating about Solana as the possible anti-Christ to the almost complete exclusion of solid information that others could get behind to expose what is the New Age agenda.

There is a New Age agenda. People need to know what it is and how it will affect them and their families. Yes, part of the New Age agenda is to bring forward some kind of leader. While there was much speculation about Solana going on here, in the world outside of this blog Obama was being presented as a kind of new Messiah. New Age leaders out of Princeton were touting him. I presented that here and it was ignored. I don't remember anyone presenting any additional support for that idea. The person who put out http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ gave out more information than found here.

Cuddy's information is extremely valuable and Constance had him on as a guest on her radio show. I believe the show was archived and can be heard. I haven't tried to go there. Final Warning: A History of the New World Order by David Allen Rivera should be read by everyone seriously interested in what the New Age movement is about.

Being a person who follows the Christian or Jewish way of life is extremely important but it is no protection against everything happening in the world.
 
Anonymous 3:46

Well put. I think we also need to pay attention to the so-called alien/UFO agenda. Tom Horn and others like Lynn Marzulli speak about this. Jesus said in the last days, it will be like the days of Noah and in the days of Noah there were Nephilim on the earth, which were hybrids between fallen angels and daughters of men. Jewish sources confirm this interpretation of Genesis, like the book of Enoch and Jubilees. Early Christianity did too, but around the 4th Century a different version of the Genesis account emerged.

Last week in DC there testimonies by former miltary, intelligence folks and others in front of former members of Congress and the Senate. This disclosure conference was organized by Steve Greer of CSETI who is a New Ager who is pushing our government to disclose information that they are keeping from the public about UFOs and aliens.

I just want to preface my comments by saying that I believe UFO/alien business is demonic in nature and has nothing to do with life on other planets. Steve Greer produced a humanoid which was studied at the Univ. of Stanford by the head of a department there to decide where the DNA came from. The conference discussed such things as cattle mutilation and some of the cover up by our military of bizarre sitings and subsequent physical disabilities of our military who actually saw strange craft and were in physical contact. Our military will not allow the medical records of these men to be seen by them or their own doctors.

Alien abductions all sound similar and do sound like some kind of demonic activity with DNA always harvested from the victims.

When Judas betrayed Jesus the Bible says Satan entered him. Maybe the antichrist is going to be some hybrid being or just completely demon possessed.

Steve Greer is trying to contact the aliens thorugh Eastern Mysticism ( inviting the demons to possess him) in places where there have been known sitings and where by coincidence Indian tribes have done demonic rituals in the past.

Too much to put in a short post, but Hitler was trying to tap into Vril power and be a modern day Nimrod. Hitler had the SS go to Tibet to study their practices. The entire SS was completely occult.

The Jesuit scientists are part of the LUCIFER project on Mt. Graham, along with NASA and Univ of AZ where they are using an infer-red telescope to peer into space.

Before anyone dismisses this as insanity, do your own research. Jesus said in the last days there would lying signs and wonders and if it was possible even the elect would be deceived. Maybe we'll have a nuclear exchange and then these aliens will appear and try to straighten out our civilization. Alien abductees have been found to have implants.

Something demonic was opened with the sacrifice of 6 million Jews in Nazi Germany, a holocaust, which is a burnt offering, undoubtedly to Lucifer. Our CIA and NASA were formed with NAZI scientists. There are a lot of disjointed thoughts here but if you are willing to think this through, and read Tom Horn, Steve Qualye, Chris Putnam and others you might be surprised.

Here's the link from the hearings which are still available in the archives:

http://www.citizenhearing.org/

Daniel
 
Daniel,

I’m not so sure about Tom Horn’s scholarship, as I understand he has confused the Greek god Apollo with Apollyon, which is the Greek word for the Hebrew Abaddon meaning “destroyer”, in his book Petrus Romanus. I’d also heard from someone else that Horn was promoting the whole Nephilim as giants, based on his understanding of Genesis 6:1-4, which I also don’t see as viable.

From the Beale/Carson Commentary of The New Testament Use of the Old Testament, Carson notes that there are three main understandings of Gen 6:1-4:

1) the “sons of God” really were fallen angels who mated with human women; 2) the “sons of God” were kings, judges, etc. who indulged in polygamy, taking many women as they wanted, abusing their power; 3) they were from the line of Seth who married ungodly women [p 1070].

There is no doubt much support for #1; however, Jesus Himself said that angels do not marry. And while angels are certainly portrayed as males in Scripture, this does not mean they were actually sexual beings:

http://www.gotquestions.org/angels-male-female.html

I think a better explanation, though this is admittedly relatively new and in the minority at present, follows:

A few scholars have suggested the possibility that the first and second interpretations might be combined; that is, human rulers (the second interpretation) who claimed some sort of divine status [ED: even Scripture called rulers “gods” cf. John 10:34-35; Psalm 82:6] might still fit the requirement of some kind of “angelic” encroachment (the first interpretation) if they were viewed as somehow demon possessed [p 1071; emphasis added].
 
Craig,

Michael Heiser who is a scholar in Biblical languages says that the sons of God are fallen angels. I can't say that Tom Horn is a scholar, but Michael Heiser is and as for the Apollos vs Apollyon, I haven't looked into that so I won't comment about something that I don't know about.

Keep in mind, that up until the 4th century, most sources both Jewish and Christian believed that fallen angels mixed with the human race. This actually explains why God destroyed all living things except Noah's family.

It actually makes perfect sense if you take into account that God said the seed of the woman would crush the seed of the serpent. The serpent would not want the seed of the woman to be pure, thus corrupting the bloodlines. The serpent was already condemned.

Jude says that the angels did not keep their first abode but abandoned it and compares this to Sodom and Gomorrah where some went after strange flesh.

The original language text does talk about the result of the strange unions between sons of God and daughters of men and the Israelites were in constant battle with giants. If you remember the story, the 10 of the 12 spies didn't want to go into the promised land because they were like grasshoppers in the site of these giants. Goliath was one of these giants. David defeated him with the truth of the Bible. The Bible says there were Nephilim on the earth in the days of Noah and after. Presumably, the giants or Nephilim were the offspring of fallen angelic beings that left their first estate and tried to corrupt the human race to prevent the promised savior from coming.

God told the Israelites to completely destroy the Annakim and others that were descendants of Nephillim because their flesh was corrupt. It's not only Tom Horn's writings but all of the ancient texts like Enoch and other Dead Sea Scroll manuscripts that talk about this.

Most Christians don't really want to look at the true nature of the spiritual battle which is not against flesh and blood but against forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. The fallen angels are part of the great battle.

Jesus came to defeat the serpent and his minions and it is in him and only in him that we have life. The serpent doesn't care how he enslaves people, as long as he can keep them from the life that they have in their savior. New Age, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism are all forms of this spiritual enslavement.

Our savior has overcome the serpent and in him we have life. I think the spiritual battle is going to get much uglier and more deceptive in these last days. Don't underestimate the snake. If he could fool Adam and Eve, he can fool others too.

Daniel
 
Craig, Daniel, there is destruction of the culture, world, going on around us now. While both of you might be scholars looking for a place to show off your knowledge, how will it help the ordinary people looking to understand the world in which they live and whose children will be affected. No doubt you have these thoughts in your heads, but we can't see them. Let's say Benghazi or Cleveland. What do you know that has an impact on those two today topics on the table. New Age efforts hit everyday people. You have to fight back at that level knowing what you know.
 
Look, Javier Solana was the best bet for Antichrist for a long time and let's thank Constance for pointing him out and for her other work on the New Age rather than castigate her because she was over-committed to Solana and premature. I believe she was wrong but I've learned a load from her and am grateful.
 
Daniel 6:30 P.M.

How would you answer Herescope Wednesday May 1 post?

I'm not choosing sides but there have been several recent posts there that label a Genesis interpretation as you offer "deception"
 
Daniel,

I’ve already noted that the predominant view has been that the “sons of God” were fallen angels. However, I submit that for quite a few centuries it was thought that the earth was flat….

You wrote, This actually explains why God destroyed all living things except Noah's family. Carson notes that the understanding of the Nephilim of Gen 6:1-4 as the mating of fallen angels with humankind ends up shifting the blame for the Flood from humans to demonic entities [p 1072].

The 12 spies account comes after the flood, which, if we accept that the giants (Nephilim) were destroyed in the Flood, would mean these “giants” were not the Nephilim. So, I submit those who made the 12 spies seem as “grasshoppers” was spoken as hyperbole, i.e., they were large men in the land of milk and honey, but not giants.

You wrote, Most Christians don't really want to look at the true nature of the spiritual battle which is not against flesh and blood but against forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. The fallen angels are part of the great battle.

Yes, we battle not with flesh and blood. Alice Bailey makes it clear that the goal of the Spiritual Hierarchy (fallen angels) is demonic possession (she calls it "soul control").

Emphasis should be laid on the evolution of humanity with peculiar attention to its goal, perfection…man in incarnation, by the indwelling and over-shadowing soul…The relation of the individual soul to all souls should be taught, and with it the long-awaited kingdom of God is simply the appearance of soul-controlled men on earth in everyday life and at all stages of that control…The fact will appear that the Kingdom has always been present but has remained unrecognized, owing to the relatively few people who express, as yet, its quality…. [Externalisation of the Hierarchy, p 588]

This is why I agree with combining interpretations 1 & 2 above. And, if this interpretation is correct, then Jesus’ words of the last days “as the days of Noah” would mean rampant demonic possession near the end times. This is no doubt what some New Agers speak of as having ‘ascended’.
 
Anon 7:03,

Here's my simple answer: men willingly succumbing to demonic entities, i.e., men doing Satan's bidding.

Now perhaps you can enlighten the readership here with your views on the subjects you've just raised.

(I did briefly mention Benghazi on the previous thread.)
 
Daniel,

And, I should clarify Jesus’ words of Matthew 24:36-39:

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. [NIV]

The thrust of this passage is that the people were oblivious to the impending judgment of God upon the wicked people of the earth. The “marrying and giving in marriage” is not a reference to the “sons of God” taking the “wives of men”; it’s illustrating that the majority of humankind will have no idea of God’s forthcoming wrath.
 
"for quite a few centuries it was thought that the earth was flat" only briefly during the late dark ages and middle ages, due to some brilliant idiot named indicopleustes who tried to create a mechanistic totalitarian biblical worldview, the ancient world and The Bible did not declare the earth to be flat.

indicopleustes of course like others, took quick glance flawed semi reading of Scripture out of context as all there was to be found on any matter, and got it wrong. Much like those who try to find a biblical mandate for a particular economic or social or political system, whether right left or monarchic or communistic or radical individualist randian capitalist or whatever.


 
Christine,

Really, do you have to 'shoot from the hip' on almost every subject on here? What about pre-NT times?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
 
Since Christ's death and Resurrection lays the groundwork for the restoration of the whole Creation not just mankind, it follows that pure human bloodline is irrelevant. WHOSOEVER will come to Him He will not cast out.

Nephilim nonsense throws focus onto bloodlines not behavior and attitude.

Whatever was going on, it isn't really important. It was just part of the big picture of all kinds of evil.

Noah perfect in his generations was not perfect in purity but through the generations he lived he alone was perfect and God also specified he alone was found "righteous."

That also means that whatever perfect in his generations meant, only Noah was that, not his wife, not his sons, not their wives.

So if hybrid bloodlines is a problem, then Noah alone lacked them, but his wife and his sons and their wives had them so WE ALL GOT THEM TOO.

For more discussion with Bible and Strong's Concordance references, see

http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-horn-steve-quayle-and-nephilim.html

also check the posts before and after for some interesting stuff.

If aliens exist, as physical beings, they would still fight against Christianity because it gives power against mind control.

Also they might represent hindu similar ideas from pre Flood culture, if they originated in mad scientist dna manipulation to make reengineered people with reptile, insect and animal dna for extreme environments who were off world when the disaster hit and maybe somewhat affected there also, and are literally chickens coming home to roost.

By the way, UFO sightings, incl. aliens, wayyy predate AD 1947 but things did ramp up a lot then.

Also if rumors of ancient hindu cultures having some antigravity and offworld capability is true, you can also expect some similarity in ideas.
 
Craig,
I pointed you to a Biblical scholar, Michael Heiser. I don't know anything about the people who write on Herescope, but Michael Heiser knows 8 biblical languages, so he does understand the text and speaks with some authority. Don't just trust him. Use lexicons of the language because there is remarkable consistency which prove what the expression sons of God mean in the Old Testament.

The Jewish sources confirm that the sons of God that mixed with the daughters of men were fallen angels. Finally, the book of Jude confirms it. The Seth theory is not confirmed in the text. I believe Scripture interprets Scripture. The book of Job confirms that the sons of God were fallen angels.

How do you explain verses in the book of Revelations that say the dragon was thrown down to earth and persecuted the woman in the presence of the serpent.

I believe that modern day Christianity has removed the supernatural from their doctrine, therefore they cannot fathom the things that will come to pass. Think about the Exodus story, the Nile became blood, frogs came into homes, boils, darkness the battle between the gods of Pharaoh and the God of Israel.

It's easier for people to think that angelic beings didn't try to interfere with the promised seed of the Messiah, but it makes a lot more sense that if the fallen angelic beings knew they would be defeated by the promised seed, that they would try to interfere with God's plan. Why did Satan try to get Jesus to worship him as he promised him to give him the kingdoms of this world? He didn't want the promised seed to defeat his wicked plan. This battle has been waging for thousands of years, but those of us who have had our corrupt flesh redeemed are on the winning side of this battle.

Pharaoh tried to kill all the Israelite babies, Herod tried to kill them too. To this very day, the snake doesn't want to see Israel in the land and being resurrected as a people, and above all he didn't want to be defeated by the promised seed of the woman.

Satan is intent on thwarting God's plan, whether through the New Age or other false religions like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, it doesn't matter to the serpent as long as he convince people that they can be gods and live forever. Sometimes Satan just wants to corrupt human DNA. Why does taking the mark of the beast keep people from ever, ever being redeemed. What does this mark to that prevents mankind from being saved by grace? Is God so vindictive that he can't forgive or does something happen to the very essence of man that makes it imossible to be redeemed?

Why would God have Israelites wipe out entire peoples when they entered the land. Was he just a mean hateful God. Remember he didn't instruct Israel to kill everyone, just the descendants of the Nephilim. I'm not going to try to convince you any further. I usually don't have time to contribute to blogs but I had a little time today. I pray that God guide you as you listen and that you listen to his word and hear what he is saying to his children in these last days.

The New Age connection to the alien/UFO agenda and the teachings of all the theosophists fit together like a glove. The idea of panspermia which is an extension of evolution is setting people up to believe a big lie. Most people today believe in the big bang theory. We aren't a product of a sovereign creator but we were seeded by benevolent beings from other parts of the universe.

The gates of hell will not prevail against the gospel , but the serpent of old hasn't given up. He knows his time is short on planet earth. I don't think people are prepared for the testing that is coming on the earth in the days ahead.


Daniel
 
"I believe that modern day Christianity has removed the supernatural from their doctrine"

definitely. and the whole Velikovsky thing, whatever its superficial merits, and Sitchin, is aimed at debunking Biblical miracles as mere misunderstood rare but natural phenomena. I don't think that the groanings of a volcanic mountains are going to be misinterpreted as "no murder" "no adultery" etc. as Velikovsky in one of his books explicitly states.

In Orthodox iconography, the sun and moon are often shown on opposite sides of the Crucifixion scene, highlighting the fact that the darkness that came at Christ's death was NOT an eclipse, these heavenly bodies being in the wrong position to have an eclipse of any kind. Though this may not be understood by many who look on these icons now, the message is obvious to anyone thinking about natural explanations and what arguments might have been given by rationalist pagans later on. This eclipse explanation is impossible.
 
Daniel,

You wrote, The Jewish sources confirm that the sons of God that mixed with the daughters of men were fallen angels. Finally, the book of Jude confirms it.

Yes and no. Yes, I’ve agreed with you on the “sons of God” interpretation. That’s not in question. The question is what it means in the text. I’ve offered another interpretation. Here’s Carson again:

However we understand “sons of God” in the Hebrew of Gen. 6:1-4, the LXX refers to them as angeloi, which word [sic] is picked up in both Jude 6 and 2 Peter 2:4 and, in the NT, is almost always used of angels, rarely “messengers,” and never of aristocratic figures such as kings and nobles. In other words, on the basis of philology alone, the angel interpretation seems most credible, unless one accepts the synthesis of Watke and others who see the “divine kings” are “possessed” by fallen angels, combining the strengths of the first two interpretations [p 1072]

No, the book of Jude does not confirm this interpretation:

Crossing the species line is central to Jub. 5; that is not explicit in either Jude or 2 Peter. Jude is interested in the inevitability of the judgment of these “angels,” whoever they are, rather than in the precise nature of their sin. [p 1072]

I’m certainly not denying the supernatural; but, I’m not sure of the necessary correlation of believing the theory to which you are adhering and believing in the supernatural in general.

You wrote, Sometimes Satan just wants to corrupt human DNA.

That’s an argument from silence Scripturally; you’re argument’s circular: because you believe in the this particular theory, then “Satan wants to corrupt human DNA”.

You wrote, … Is God so vindictive that he can't forgive or does something happen to the very essence of man that makes it imossible to be redeemed?

According to Cumbey’s first book, the New Agers themselves claim that to take the mark (I don’t recall their terminology of the full context), is to take a Luciferic initiation. It’s literally choosing Satan over God. So, it’s man’s choice.

You wrote, … Remember he didn't instruct Israel to kill everyone, just the descendants of the Nephilim.

Once again, the Nephilim were wiped out in the Flood. They were not part of Noah’s descendants; so, they are not with us today.

It may be beneficial of you read this post:

http://herescope.blogspot.com/2013/05/homo-nephilus_6651.html
 
as for the mark of the beast, it doesn't say that repentance is impossible just that it doesn't happen. By the time someone is willing to do this, he or she is so sold out nothing is going to change them.

But in the Torah, in Exodus, the original order to "cast out" the Canaanites was a Hebrew word related to divorce, and you don't normally divorce someone using a sword. They were to be driven out, which would incl. some killing of course.

Time passed, the people showed they were incorrigibly unreliable, and they also in Numbers offered a holocaust sacrifice to YHWH of all the people in two or three towns if He gave them the victory, which He did.

Deuteronomy in repeating the order to drive out or cast out, uses a very different Hebrew word, which is more like exterminate. Check Strong's Concordance on all this.

Bloodline had nothing to do with it.

God also specified that this total extermination was NOT to be normal war practice but only for these people, and in all cases terms of peace to be offered first. None accepted them. Rahab said that the people of Jericho were terrified but obviously not out to arrange peace terms. (you can assume there weren't too many children or infants left to kill either, since all or most would have been sacrificed to the false gods by then, by Canaanites seeking protection. Rahab herself was Canaanite as was Judah's wife and daughter in law, so this supposedly Nephilim bloodline was in Judah and Jesus through David.)


 
As I pointed out, if only Noah was perfect in his generations in the sense of bloodline, then his wife and sons and daughters in law were NOT. Even if you argue that perfect would incl. being hardwired to accept as wife only another purebred human, that doesn't say anything about their sons' wives, after all, it was purebred humans who mated with the fallen angels, right? Check the article I linked with the Bible and Strong's references.

http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com/2013/01/tom-horn-steve-quayle-and-nephilim.html

Fr. Seraphim Rose suggests that the sons of God were Sethites so called because of being of the party of God, and being situated closer to the now closed off Garden of Eden, probably higher elevation so closer to God symbolically than the Cainites. This is the only argument I have read that makes sense. However, though Enoch is to put it mildly dubious, Jude and Peter seem to refer to such an even, though in Peter we have two references to Christ preaching to the dead, one of which is kerygma and the other euangelion.

It was argued that the preaching was only an announcement not an invitation, but the use of euangelion rules out that interpretation. One of these refers to spirits in prison since Noah's time, but probably refers to humans back to then and maybe before.

Grounds for prayer for the dead.

The Nephilim bloodline thing is a close copy of the Two Seed heresy which argued that Cain was the son of satan, since Eve said "I have gotten a man from the LORD," and then these people argue Lord meant baal, but where KJV has all caps for Lord, this is where the Hebrew says YHWH, so Eve is crediting YHWH for helping her conceive and safely give birth.

(this Two Seed heresy usually incl. a notion of racial issues, mud races or dark colored people descended from satan and whites are human, or vice versa if the racial theorist is Black.)

Ideas about soul or spirit and even original sin transmitting only through the male, hinge on assuming that present patrilineal naming is aboriginal and universal, and ignores that Hebrew translated begat in the case of a man begetting a son, is the SAME word used for a woman giving birth see Strong's Concordance again.

Such ideas also reduce a spiritual matter to a mechanistic pure physical one. Jesus in John chapter 6 calls those Jews who rejected Him sons of the devil, but also specifies they are Abraham's seed physically, but spiritually they are not because of attitude and actions.

Even now, son of something or even father of something or mother of something is used to refer in the Middle East to non literal descent issues not physical but psychological or spiritual similarities.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkGo6GiVQtw
 
Constance,

I understand Dr. Erwin W. Lutzer has authored a book called, "The Cross in the Shadow of the Crescent." Jack Van Impe quoted from this book on tonight's television show.

If you have any knowledge about either the author or the contents of this book, I'd be interested in your opinion.
 
To those who say the nephilim were wiped out by the Flood: the nephilim were the product of union between falen angels and human women (Gen 6). Could that have happened again on a smaller scale AFTER the Flood? To answer that, notice that Genesis 6 also says that the nephilim were the heroes of old. Now look at pagan mythology - Greek, Norse and Indian. It's packed with matings between women and pagan 'gods'. And clearly these accounts are postdiluvian as they would not have been preserved by the eight survivors of the Flood, a family that knew Yahuweh.
 
even if it did, that does not change any points I made earlier. There are notions out there that anyone with such ancestry however ancient however slight cannot be saved and doesn't have a soul.

Guess what. nobody HAS a soul. We ARE souls. "Adam BECAME a living soul," when the breath of life was breathed into him, and regarding the animals who died in The Flood
they are referred to as having the breath of life in them. Animals also are souls, just different kinds of souls. If there is a hybrid, it has a mix of soul natures as well as physical. There is no such thing as a soulless animal or human though the term often expresses the impression one might have of a person who is very inhuman either chronically or at the moment, or even just out of it on drugs or whatever.

Nephesh refers both to the entire soul body spirit being as well as to the immortal part that is etheric attentuated matter as distinct from spirit, sometimes when it appears bilocated or after death it is called a "spirit."

"the soul that sins it shall die" The Bible says, referring to physical capital punishment.

so this whole nephilim thing is really irrelevant, even harmful when it creates despair in someone who thinks they cannot be saved.

A creationist site pointed out that we share easily 50% of genes with bananas. while evolutionists would point to common descent, you can also argue that this shows an Intelligent Designer (aka God) using similar materials.

It also means that anomalous genes not common in humans discovered in a human cannot prove they are truly non human.

Now, as for the physicality of aliens, check out The Star Child Skull on youtube and elsewhere. This is not cradle boarding or head binding, neither are the coneheads who usually have larger cranial capacity than normal humans. Something very strange went on, but whether this reflects some other creation on another planet by God, or a population descended from humans who had been genetically engineered by mad scientists of a lost civilization is another matter.

Does the Gospel apply to them? of course it does. Christ died to renew ALL creation. Romans and Colossians. "the first born of every creature."

Multiple incarnations and death and resurrections are totally unnecessary and unbiblical an argument.

In the 1800s when Lowell was arguing Mars was inhabited, the Christian response was to announce we had to prepare missionaries to go to Mars. This is far more sensible than crazy ideas about their being irrelevant to the Gospel.
 
"This blogspot is supposed to be about the New Age movement... when missionizing for Christianity takes over against a fight against the New Age movement I have to realize that's where heads are at."

This blog is Constance's take on NA and she's a Christian, so you can expect the Christian view. And as NA has been infiltrating the churches for 2000 years (orginally as gnosticism) there's going to be quite a lot of denominational talk. Modern liberal churches are NA-polluted. Some people have concerns about the Roman Catholic (and to a lesser extent the Eastern Orthodox) view of Mary. Provided it doesn't get personal such talk is on-topic. I repeat that you do not know the extent to which Christian posters here stand against NA in the secular world, so you should not assume it is negligible.

 
"I wish her posts were fewer and further in between" - Constance on Christine, thread starting 3rd May 2013, 10:01 PM.
 
For her radio show which may have a bigger audience than those who read here, class guests like Cuddy are invited to appear. Cuddy doesn't post here, Lee Penn doesn't post here. Monteith doesn't post here. The guy who runs News with Views doesn't post here. Constance herself hardly posts here. It's as if this blog is meant for the "squabble amongst yourselves" crowd while the grownups are in the other room.
 
Constance frequently posts here and has the courage to use her name unlike the last anonymous. Lee Penn, Dr. Monteith, and I talk frequently and share information.

Constance
 
"Anonymous," I am NOT throwing Christine off this site, nor did I throw you off when I had many private emails and some public postings suggesting same. We have an open forum here whether you like it or not. You may think, perhaps with justification, that your research is superior to many. Your nasty comments poison the air to the point that I am often reluctant to look in.



Constance
 
To Anonymous 4:39

I also am very proudly an unashamed Christian. Whether it is admitted or not, it is in addition to its pronounced anti-Semitism is first and foremost an anti-Jesus movement. I most certainly not throwing people off this site for being "too Christian" just as I'm not throwing people off for being "too Jewish." Jews, Christians, and even Moslems are declared New Age targets. The strategy was one of termites from within, wrecking balls from without. It would be accomplished in no small part by pitting target groups against each other. Let's make sure we don't play into those overarching strategies. Let's also make sure that we don't "bite and devour each other."

Constance
 
To David Zavitz:

THANKS and GOD BLESS YOU!

Constance
 
Was I REALLY wasting my time on Solana? Check this recent news:

Former senior EU officials urge labeling of Israel as "occupying state"

Meanwhile, a group of former senior European officials called on the EU to change its policy in favor of a more aggressive approach. In a letter seen by the Israeli newspaper 'Maariv', whose signers include former EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana, former Italian Prime Minister Giuliano Amato, former French Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, and former Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Ángel Moratinos, a full moratorium on Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank is demanded. The former officials also urge to designate Israel as an occupying state. “It is time to provide a clear warning that the current Western policies are preserving the occupation,” the letter states, according to Israeli media.


That may be read in its entirety at the World Jewish Congress website and its tinyurl is http://tinyurl.com/ct2wtup,

Constance
 
The last piece is dated April 18, 2013, FYI.

Constance
 
Anon 12:39,

If you don't mind, I'll jump in here. From what I've read of Lutzer, I find him to be a conservative Christian with much wisdom. I've quoted from his The Doctrines That Divide book a while back.

In looking at the Amazon reviews of The Cross in the Shadow of the Crescent, I'll have to pick this one up:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Cross-Shadow-Crescent-Christianity/product-reviews/0736951326/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_5?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addFiveStar&showViewpoints=0
 
Wow!!! Everything I've written stands no matter how angry you get Constance. Fifteen years of is Solana a possible anti-Christ got you a lot of attention with nothing to show for it in the end. There are a lot of bad guys in the world and Solana is one of them, no doubt. It did distract from all of the New Age growth in the US.

Yes, the New Age movement is very much against Christianity and Judaism. Newswithviews and the Microeffect are another story. Mussolini "made the trains run on time" and Hitler "loved animals."

Are you a good informer about the New Age movement. Yes you are. Are you the best informer about the New Age movement, no. Are you above criticism? No.

Should I be openly using my name here? Based on my previous experience, absolutely not. No one had my back. Should everyone openly come out with contact information, I would advise them not to based on my experience.
 
Anti-Christian war raging at the Pentagon

http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/anti-christian-war-raging-at-pentagon/


 
"Fifteen years of is Solana a possible anti-Christ got you a lot of attention with nothing to show for it in the end."

okay fine so that happened as I predicted HOWEVER THERE WAS ALWAYS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THE FORUM AND OFTEN ON THE MAIN BLOG, Constance didn't focus ONLY on Solana, and the research on his family and connections and behavior shows what NA type "spirituality" connects to.

that research is still good as a "case in point."
 
"Are you the best informer about the New Age movement, no."

So share some links to such.

"Are you above criticism? No."

nobody is, myself and you included.
 
OK.. a little reality check. Maybe I'm wrong and people following this blog know what the New Age movement is, it's history, who is involved, etc. If anyone should know what New Age is about, it should be people who have been following what is posted here. If asked about New Age, what would you tell a friend it is. Don't say read Cumbey's book which was written over thirty years ago. Much has happened since it was written.
 
The elements are still the same as in my book. Yes, much has happened and if the atmosphere were not so poisoned here by the power plays and squabbling, much more would be freely shared. When people are too critical of others, some people don't post out of disgust and others don't post because they are fearful of being criticized themselves. Dennis Cuddy's books are compiled from his columns written for NewswithViews. I could do the same, but unfortunately, there is at least one who either sulks or throws tantrums when I write for them. I have shared much there and here.

Constance
 
Why didn't we hear from "anonymous" about the 5:52 post?

Constance
 
Don't say read Cumbey's book which was

written over thirty years ago. Much has happened since it was written.

10:29 PM

ahemmm....Not so fast--much of what was written about over thirty years ago is still morphing and is everyday happening that we can see because we were informed through what Constance wrote. (and of course The Bible being The Source first and foremost).


Solana was not a distraction---He embodies even today-what we should be watching out for. He has paved the way most consistently for either himself or for someone he has personally "groomed" for that role. Much of what has been implemented in the political/religious/economic/scientific world scene is his "calling" and "life's work", 9he weighs in on everything for everywhere) bringing virtually all government leaders around the world on board to (no one else has a rolodex file like his). And his age has nothing to do with his influence and viability to stay the course to see it through. He submerges, then comes up for air (before-during and after-many manufactured crises), in the most timely ways, interjecting like a good grandfather tending a brood. Don't count him out--he has singularly set much of what is right on course for the "new age" of mankind--the anti-christ plan the Bible has told us would happen.


Constance (and yes, some other very important voices in concert) consistently warned and still warn, us. Thanks to those who do not cloud the issues with the minutia as has been pointed out...that truly gets in the way of the message intended to spread here.


 
of course Solana and his associates should be watched. But exactly what is "the message" here? vote him and his out of office assuming it is even amenable to a vote? what of us who are not EU citizens or whatever that deal is?

the so called minutia from some perspectives would include Solana. The NAM is a big picture consisting of many "minutia," the part of which that can impact everyone regardless of their beliefs, state of deception, or whatever, is of course world politics.

And the more local national politics where no matter what party you vote for, the control at the top is the same. probably ditto scene in Europe.

Some "minutia" such as medical problems with meditation, pedophilia in halls of power, etc., can be used against these people to discredit them, and some "minutia" of interest only to Christians would alert and turn that bloc against all connected to such, other "minutia" of interest to Jews ditto, other "minutia" of interest to people of no persuasion could still mobilize them on those issues.
 
Could it be that Solana, like Krishnamurti, is a 'candidate' for the Beast position, who will go on to full Antichrist status if the system is far advanced enough?

On the vexed subject of the Nephilim:
Anyone who believes the Bible to be the Word of God realises that history is a great deal stranger than we are led to believe in this secular society. But I am sure that the notion of 'Serpent Seed' is a lie and a distraction from the fact that God saved Noah because of his righteousness. The other side turn everything upside down and inside out - they make the spiritual physical and the physical spiritual. They are playing this game with the occult - trying to make it 'scientific'.
 
"Could it be that Solana, like Krishnamurti, is a 'candidate' for the Beast position, who will go on to full Antichrist status if the system is far advanced enough?"

possibly. all the more reason to try to undermine the system so it can't get that advanced in our lifetimes, or at least stave it off.
 
I'm Anon@7:04pm who wrote "Javier Solana was the best bet for Antichrist for a long time and let's thank Constance for pointing him out and for her other work on the New Age rather than castigate her because she was over-committed to Solana and premature." I'm not the Anon who introduced Solana into this thread, whom I guess Constance is addressing at 11:07am. Whether JS is the AC has been discussed to death on this blog in the past and there is no decisive evidence either way, whether from the world or the Word. I suppose it would be bad taste to lay a bet on it to be settled in heaven, but I'll certainly apologise if my view that he is not the AC turns out to be wrong.

It's worthaking the piont that a particular man can at once be (a) best bet and (b) very unlikely - if there are many candidates with little to choose between them.

 
All we can do is wage good warfare against this system. We cannot overthrown what even God said -will be- because Who will overthrow it is none other than Jesus Christ at His Return, having regained the title deed to the earth.

Meanwhile we (with the True Gospel) are to spread (by loving word and deed) the Lord's Plan through His Word of escape (Hebrews 2:3)-to all-whether they listen or not(and bear that consequence of affliction for the message goes against the world system since the fall. The worldly person wants to be "enlightened" rather than forgiven and that appeals to the "new age" of each generation and era of men on the earth. Each answers for the sin of their own soul but still need that warning of judgment to come before the Lord of all.


"Some "minutia" such as medical problems with meditation, pedophilia in halls of power, etc., can be used against these people to discredit them, and some "minutia" of interest only to Christians would alert and turn that bloc against all connected to such, other "minutia" of interest to Jews ditto, other "minutia" of interest to people of no persuasion could still mobilize them on those issues."

True-until the graphics some (like you too much love to wallow in) make the details bigger than the actual issue that needs action against it rather than more morbid attention to it. That is your sad contribution of "minutia" way too often here Christine. You don't mobilize anything. Isn't it better to inform without taking over a topic and we will all be better served? We can think for ourselves after all....I and others don't need a "couch potato coach" about the issues you say you are so interested to see ("you people") engaged in the fight against.
 
"You don't mobilize anything"

I give information and suggest talking points, and give enough info to more than mildly touch, and also suggest how to research more on these things.

YOU may not be mobilized, but that doesn't mean someone else isn't, or that those already mobilized aren't gaining something from this.

Interesting Monteith, Cuddy and Lee Penn are commented on as not posting here, but they DO deal with some of the subjects over the years that I deal with.

Cuddy was interviewed by Alex Jones at least once. Does that discredit Cuddy?
 
"Interesting Monteith, Cuddy and Lee Penn are commented on as not posting here, but they DO deal with some of the subjects over the years that I deal with. "

Yes, and they do it a lot better too. They aren't dilettantes.
 
ever the master or mistress of self contradiction. on the one hand, any effort at dealing with these things in brief enough for a forum like this, with a 4200 or so character limit to each post, is decried as dilettantery.

on the other, any effort at dealing with anything in more detail is denounced as taking over the blog and/or wallowing in minutiae.

I hope by now someone has googled up enough info to see what a fool physicist made of himself in saying that govt. and military wouldn't be messing with psychic stuff. Hah! the tip of that iceberg came out in the Senate Hearings, the Church Committee on the CIA in the 1970s. its public knowledge. A lot more came out later.

meanwhile, new research shows Reagan's interest in occult philosophy if not always practice goes a way back beyond his wife hiring an astrologer.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/political-bookworm/2010/04/reagan_and_the_occult.html

his whole dreamy evocative "great communicator" style is a kind of enchantment, and manipulation.

BTW that Washington's Vision mentioned in the article has been outed as made up. http://www.snopes.com/history/american/vision.asp

 
The New Age and Aliens:

http://www.new-age-of-aquarius.com/do-aliens-exist.html
 
"I give information and suggest talking points, and give enough info to more than mildly touch,"

...more than mildly touch...sorry but you bludgeon the subjects.

I am active to make contact on the federal, state, and local level to decry the policies being put in place that include all manner of new age operations. From food/water and environmental issues-education and parental rights, etc. just to name a few-it's a very comprehensive list of things that have already infiltrated our way of life to bring on the "new age dream"-nightmare in reality-here and abroad. So I am doing something besides sitting around weighing in on the minutia and (as you call it) "boots on the ground" interested in stopping if possible what I can.

Yeah right! ;) you have a "mild touch" on this blog.......

You actually have my sympathy. If all you can do through this blog is all you can do then fine-great even--I just wish you were respectful and careful not to make it so much about yourself (your "commando attitude" take on things to the near total exclusion of others).
 
Joel's Army comes to Wales, UK.

http://wordsabout.walesawakening.org/
 
"I hope by now someone has googled up enough info to see what a fool physicist made of himself in saying that govt. and military wouldn't be messing with psychic stuff. Hah! the tip of that iceberg came out in the Senate Hearings"

Please quote my exact words on this blog to that effect, giving date and time, or your words will rebound on you. I have been aware for many years of (from memory) dated US govt attempts to communicate to submarines using ESP and other stuff like that. They gave up because it didn't work, of course.

Physicist

 
the submarine experiments were not that non workable. and I wasn't talking about that but remote viewing and other stuff.

the problem with all this stuff, is that you DO get information, but it is rarely much better than HUMINT (human intelligence, i.e., someone snooping and blabbing). The problem in that case could be the means used - seems a sigil was in play which means some kind of spirit WAS involved and its interests would not be to be of much reliable help to anyone.

I have been trying to find your original words, but that is buried somewhere in more forum postings than I can sort through now, but you did deny that this was being done except maybe once or twice and it failed.

On the contrary. This has been an ongoing interest (though without of course a psychic operations officer attached to every brigade or whatever) that first crops up in WWI or between the wars I forget which.

occult philosophy was a mainstay of leaders and population segments on all sides of WW II.

For an indication of the kind of spirits the enchantment and false beauty slinging faeries are, somewhere in one of those books from the 1960s or 1970s is a mention of some such saying they had interfered in support of the Japanese in China, because the Japanese had kept spirituality and the Chinese had not. Seems these entities contributed to the failure of the defence of Nanking, which resulted in unparalleled atrocities of rape and murder. One can only wonder what kind of spirituality these entities favored.

For an eye opening expose of remote viewing, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKh9TuhEmho and move on to parts 2, 3, etc.

For information on military involvement in the occult dig through James Webb's books, also PSYCHIC DISCOVERIES BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN and google the subject.

yes the stuff works. No it is not reliable.

when you find any article that has links in it, pursue the links to sources, use http://www.archive.org to locate stuff no longer on the web, and prepare for spending days at this.
 
"I have been trying to find your original words, but that is buried somewhere in more forum postings than I can sort through now, but you did deny that this was being done except maybe once or twice and it failed."

Originally you said that I denied such things had ever taken place at all, now you say I denied it except "maybe once or twice". Aren't you trying to get wiggle room for the fact that you can't make your original intemperate accusation stick? Kindly have the decency to either prove it by finding where I supposedly said it (BTW it's not my fault if that takes time - you should think before you type) or retract the accusation.

Physicist

 
Me: "...US govt attempts to communicate to submarines using ESP and other stuff like that. They gave up because it didn't work, of course."

Christine: "the submarine experiments were not that non workable... yes the stuff works. No it is not reliable."

If it is not reliable enough for communication then what do you mean by saying it works?

Physicist

 
it works intermittently and not always entirely accurately when it works.

there was no communication purpose, it was to locate and track, maybe mess with the heads of, the enemy.

the only communication experiment I know of, was when they took a mother rabbit on a sub, and her young babies were left in a lab on shore. One by one they were killed, and she, hooked up to brainwave and heart I guess monitoring equipment, showed a reaction at the same time each baby was killed.

there is no wiggle room. your remark added up to some few experiments, all failed, and governments and military wouldn't be doing this stuff except maybe as a one or so time experiment. like it was too silly for them to consider.

Someone pointed out, that the pentagon (and by extension the rest of govt, elected and unelected, and power elites, and so forth) are a cross section of/reflection of society, so will include everything that is in that society, incl. interest in the paranormal, occult, etc. This makes the picture painted by researchers a lot more likely than you were willing to consider.

I repeat, this country and its govt. and so forth, has never been a purity scene only lately corrupted. The corruption has increased in publicity and amount. There is spiritual compromise especially in the 20th century when this stuff got more respectable.

The two main interests in the psychic scene, were get information on the opposition, and use psychic attack to disorient, and if possible to kill individuals such methods to be used on relevant foreigners and relevant Americans.

I am not going to tie the blog up with longwinded lectures and right now I am going to be looking through years of notebooks for something else. you might not hear from me all day or even tomorrow.
 
Christine at 6:00am: "I hope by now someone has googled up enough info to see what a fool physicist made of himself in saying that govt. and military wouldn't be messing with psychic stuff."

Christine at 5.54pm: "your remark added up to some few experiments, all failed, and governments and military wouldn't be doing this stuff except maybe as a one or so time experiment."

So you confirm that you have changed your claim - from saying that I denied ANY US govt involvement to saying that I said there was only a little. That would be good, except: (1) you deny you have changed, when the words are there for everybody to see; (2) you attacked me intemperately in relation to the first claim; (3) you have not provided any reference to my alleged words.

I'm not surpised that you are planning to go quiet. You are learning one lesson, anyway: When you are in a hole, stop digging.

Physicist

PS "the only communication experiment I know of, was when they took a mother rabbit on a sub, and her young babies were left in a lab on shore. One by one they were killed, and she, hooked up to brainwave and heart I guess monitoring equipment, showed a reaction at the same time each baby was killed."

This has been rattling round as an urban myth and now the internet for decades, and I challenge you to: (1) proivde a reference written by the guys who witnessed and/or did it; (2) explain why it has never apparently been replicated, as it would revolutionise science if true.
 
White House drumming up Arab support for Palestinian state

The administration of President Barack Obama has been recruiting Arab states to support a U.S. drive for a Palestinian state in 2014.

Officials said the White House and State Department have been lobbying Arab allies of Washington, to support a peace deal with Israel that would enable the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank. They said the Arab states were urged to move away from their traditional demand of a total Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem....

“The Arab League delegation understands that peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis is starting [and] is a strategic choice for the Arab states,” Hamad said. “The Arab League delegation affirmed that agreement should be based on the two-state solution on the basis of the 4th of June 1967 lines, with the possible of comparable and mutual agreed minor swap of the land.”
 
Hope everybody had a restful Memorial Day weekend. I was blessed with a surprise visit from my son and 3 grandsons Friday night. I was criticized by somebody here for quoting in last few months from the 1982 Stanford CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN study as "old news." It may have been that, but it is certainly FOUNDATIONAL. Purusing my library, I found this in a book FACES OF THE THIRD REICH, page a summation by its author that any totalitarian regime is preceded by an attempt to change the image of man. Interesting! I will include the same quote in a soon coming article. I'm still working on the Australian and other New Age / Earth Charter nuns.

Constance
 
Well, I didn't catch all the dialogue yet between Christine and Physicist, but certainly our government and military have abundantly "messed with psychic stuff." President George H. W. Bush used para-psychics in his CIA operations, during that phase of his pre-presidential career. The First Earth Battalion was all about "psychic stuff." Jon Ronson's movie, THE MEN WHO STARE AT GOATS was based on Jim Channon and his military cohorts New Age military exploits. Arthur Egendorf's book HEALING FROM THE WAR contained claims that "80 of our finest generals have been trained in the consciousness raising techniques of the New Age", etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Constance
 
Found the quote I was looking for from

Every totalitarian government starts from a new image of man; this, by defini­tion, is what distinguishes it from the classical forms of coercive government. Its revolutionary
claims are not aimed solely at the reconstruction of the state; it not only prescribes new laws,
demands new principles of order or new forms of mutual relationships, but also calls for a 'new
man'. Unlike the great revolutions of past ages, it sets out to change not things but people, not
structures but hfe itself: this is precisely what identifies it as totalitarian. Nothing
demonstrates, in this strict sense, the totalitarian character of the Third Reich more
unequivocally than the measures consistently taken on all social planes to mould a new human type,
the creation of which National Socialism described as 'the task of the twentieth century'.3 Hitler
himself identified this project completely with the meaning of bis struggle for power when he
stated:

The selection of the new Filhrer class is what my struggle for power means. Whoever proclaims his
allegiance to me is, by this very proclamation and by the manner in which it is made, one of the
chosen. This is the great significance of our long, dogged struggle for power, that in it will be born a new master class, chosen to guide the fortunes not
only of the German people but of the world.•


Clearly and unequivocally, the New Agers through one of their major think tanks were seeking once again, as did the Nazis, the Communists, and other Totalitarian regimes, "A New Image of Man."

Sarah Leslie detailed much of the support they received from Evangelical circles when Willis Harman was invited to present his theories to Evangelical leaders.

Constance

 
The foregoing quote was from THE FACE OF THE THIRD REICH by Joapage chim C. Fest. It is found on page 292. The book was copyrighted in 1970. Its USA publisher was Pantheon Books.

Constance
 
"So you confirm that you have changed your claim - from saying that I denied ANY US govt involvement to saying that I said there was only a little. " No I didn't. the claim basically was that (as I agreed) this stuff didn't work too well reliably ergo (wrong) was dropped altogether and they wouldn't be into any of it after that.

Just read Constance's info on First Earth Batallion, which is the tip of an iceberg.

Then look at what Nick Redfern came up with in Final Events. and aside from all that, the interest in this goes back to before WW II and if you get a copy of Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain which I don't have any more, you will find a lot of stuff on both sides of it.

The point is that ranging from active attempts to put occult forces into practice, to membership in and subscription to ideas of various metaphysical occult organizations, this has been infecting controlling elements of govt. and military (and by govt. I do not mean merely elected people there is plenty of unelected positions and then there's the behind the scenes elites) and dowsing has been in play to locate targets as late as the first Gulf War don't ask for a reference.

No it was NEVER about communications between one person and another on the same side. And submarines have not had much trouble doing normal communications using ELF and VLF radio ranges extra low frequency and very low frequency, which will go through water though I forget to what depth.

it was always about spying and weaponizing the occult.

since every post has to the poster even later a little garbage can icon, allowing the poster to delete the remark, I guess that is why I can't find your supercilious sounding remark that of course this is just too silly (not exact words but general attitude) hmmmmm?

I WAS THE ONE who attacked these practices as unreliable, but so is a lot of technology at the startup phase and even later, notice some jets that had to be grounded for some ridiculous but potentially deadly problem. ridiculous because it should have been caught earlier before they were in production for the military.

And once some people get obsessed with this, or see it as the practical outworking of their masonic ideas (and don't underestimate the number of those people), they WILL keep at it.

Before I realized that remote viewing uses a sigil to help focus, I had answered an ad for training with Ed Dame's organization. Well, I decided this was not a good idea, and did not follow through.

But something interesting happened.

I think it was a few days after I had answered the ad online, and I got remote viewed by someone probably Ed Dames himself. The feel was of an observing presence coming down on me from above and an angle that might be the general direction of their offices.

The feel was slate dark gray with a less obviously particulate quality than what I had learned to associate with some kinds of demonic (or other evil?) attack, but it was similar to the feel off a masonic lodge, though more active.

Clearly, there is a bad spirit not just human ability involved in all this. Even if only human ability, it is infected with something else or at least contaminated by it.

I can't recall if I had seen the Russ Dizdar videos that interview an ex remote viewer by then or not, but I didn't want anything to do with this.

Dames and I think another RVer sell their skills to govt. and private big business. go figure.
 
"I was criticized by somebody here for quoting in last few months from the 1982 Stanford CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN study as "old news." It may have been that, but it is certainly FOUNDATIONAL."

Constance and her critic, foundational material is ALWAYS important. It helps you recognize and sort stuff out later.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=BN26l8FBha4

Russ Dizdar on astral projection, but in the part on Whitley Streiber, around 35 minutes in I think, there is interesting information on the origin of some of the New Age literature, the intent of entities to get in touch with and influence people in hopes of finding some individuals who will be willing to receive writings to influence humanity with.
 
Christine,

You started this by saying in a post at 6:00AM above on this thread that "I hope by now someone has googled up enough info to see what a fool physicist made of himself in saying that govt. and military wouldn't be messing with psychic stuff."

I have long known that the US government HAS tried that in the past, so I knew I had not said that, and I challenged you to say where. Despite putting up an elaborate smokesecreen you HAVE NOT DONE SO.

"since every post has to the poster even later a little garbage can icon, allowing the poster to delete the remark, I guess that is why I can't find your supercilious sounding remark that of course this is just too silly (not exact words but general attitude) hmmmmm?"

I suppose you are insinuating that I have deleted my post. I have never deleted any post of mine at this blog. Now, will you have the guts to accuse me straight out of being a liar in saying that, or will you continue to wiggle?

Physicist

PS You wrote: "submarines have not had much trouble doing normal communications using ELF and VLF radio ranges extra low frequency and very low frequency, which will go through water though I forget to what depth."

Please read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications

to see that it is just possible, with enormous difficulty, to transmit to submarines at operating depth using post-WW2 technology, but not possible for the submarine to transmit without surfacing or sending a a transmitter buoy up to the surface.

 
I thought I delineated the differences very clearly. Moreover, Sourcewatch probably extrapolated the information from my second book which is a free download, A PLANNED DECEPTION. It is, of course, good to have this information again. I wanted people to know that the New Agers were again playing their time honored game of "Now you see us, now you don't." Sourcewatch is generally hostile to my own work against the New Age Movement. They consider themselves to be watchers of the Religious Right.

Constance
 
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