Thursday, August 18, 2011
Freethinkers, Atheists, Socialists gang up on Catholic Christians in Spain
It appears to be going on in Spain right now. Michael Voris is a Detroit area former TV sportscaster who now devotes himself to Catholic causes. I addressed one of his earlier conferences vis the New Age Movement and European Union developments (2008). Michael is now in Spain covering the Pope's planned Youth Conference this week. He sent me a video link to what I have embedded here. This is very important as it appears that anti-clericalism is growing in Europe. This happened in Spain before: from 1936-to 1939 in the Spanish Civil War. I don't agree with Michael on everything, but I deeply respect his integrity and his work. It might be interesting to follow him this week. He also covers areas of what he considers apostasy and promotion of anti-Christian agendas in Catholic settings.
Obviously, there are threatening mob scenes that must be intimidating to pilgrims to this conference. It appears, however, that the Spanish government has only seen fit to arrest one person -- a pilgrim from Mexico -- upon "suspicion" that he, a pope loyalist was planning a "gas attack" on the demonstrators. I'm not the accused's attorney, but I would love to examine that legal file for sufficiency of evidence. I suspect it is thin!
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
I am watching the broadcast of World Youth Day. The Pilgrims are so many and so happy, singing and dancing and praising the Lord.
The protestors are few in number, but are nasty and angry.
I think sane people can figure out who the extremists are.
The same thing happened at WYD in Toronto.
The number one question the media kept asking is "Why are these youth so happy?
Savvy
I would love to watch it. Is it on EWTN? Any internet options as I am locked in behind my computer today.
Thanks!
Constance
http://futureoftech.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/18/7408116-ibm-unveils-brain-like-chip?GT1=43001
I saw that and almost posted it today. It was TWITTERED by JAVIER SOLANA on his twitter site. Wonder what his interest was?
Constance
There were riots in the street by the demonstrators.
Constance
So what the heck are they protesting?
This is just raw hate.
Savvy
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/pope-protest-turns-violent-in-madrid-as-police-attack-civilians/story-e6frg6so-1226117898106
Savvy
Constance
Constance
it says the protestors are gays and lesbians, atheist groups and alternative Christian and leftist groups.
I wonder what alternative Christian is.
Savvy
Thanks!
Constance
Matthew Fox had a large Protestant following as well. He was friendly with Sojourners and spoke in at least one Baptist Church in Ann Arbor, Michigan that I'm aware of.
Constance
Yes, the media is focusing on the protestors rather than the 1.5 million young people.
Savvy
I have not had the opportunity or time to watch most of his video links, so I am interested in your opinions as well as those of Susanna.
Constance
I just found this on a google search on line. Is this part of what you are talking about?
He has also praised the institution of Catholic monarchy as a “benevolent dictatorship” and criticized democracy, saying the vote should be limited to those who are faithful Catholics.
If the information in it is accurate, I would have to reluctantly agree that Michael holds extreme views.
Constance
Yes, those are Michael's views. The thing is there are people who are frustrated with all the anti-Christianity/Anti-Catholicism so they want to strike back by bringing back Christendom.
This is a wrong approach not even shared by the Pope.
We win over our enemies through the witness of our lives and not by behaving like them.
savvy
http://www.madrid11.com/en/noticias/1630-comunicado-sobre-la-web
Savvy
"On the eve of Pope Benedict’s arrival in Madrid, riot police clashed with thousands of protestors, some of whom were chanting “God yes, Church no” and “we are not the Pope’s youth.”
Eight protestors were arrested, and nine protestors and two policemen were injured in the clash.
The demonstrators taunted World Youth Day participants with shouts of “Nazi, Nazi”--a reference to Pope Benedict’s involuntary registration in the Hitler Youth as a teen.
The participants responded by praying, singing alleluias, and chanting, “Long live the Pope.”
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=11422&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories+%28Catholic+World+News+%28on+CatholicCulture.org%29%29
I don't know everything there is to know about Michael Voris, whose apostolate, by the way, is not a Church-approved apostolate.
I am still trying to get to the bottom of the Michael Voris story myself.
Ergo, to some extent, for me, the jury is still out.
Nevertheless, there are a few things I have learned that I would like to share here.
First, let me say that Voris' "RealCatholic TV" is not the same entity as the approved "CatholicTV" whose President is Fr. Robert Reed, a Roman Catholic priest who studied at the Pontifical North American College and has a reputation for being quite faithful to the Magisterium. ( a.k.a. Roman Catholic Church teaching authority ).
CATHOLIC TV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CatholicTV
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The following overview of RealCatholicTV is from Catholic Culture to which I subscribe.
REALCATHOLICTV
http://www.catholicculture.org/
culture/reviews/view.cfm?recnum
=4129&repos=2&subrepos=0&searchid
=771167
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Another of the reasons why Michael Voris has been banned in certain dioceses is because of his insensitivity to people of other faiths.
While we must certainly be careful to stand up for our beliefs and not cross over to the extremes of false ecumenism, we must also be careful not to go to the extremes of rank bigotry and hatred when it comes to our attitude about other religions. Respecting the sincerely held beliefs of others is not the same thing as agreeing with them.
Included in the following article is Michael Voris' video entitled "THE JEWS"
THEOLOGICAL ERRORS IN REALCATHOLICTV
http://www.catholicplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4615
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Regarding World Youth Day's disavowal of any connection with Michael Voris, the following article is from the blog hosted by Patrick Madrid. ( No pun intended on the name "Madrid" LOL )
World Youth Day Madrid 2011 officially disavows any connection with Michael Voris
http://patrickmadrid.com/world-youth-day-madrid-2011-officially-disavows-any-connection-with-michael-voris/
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Here is Michael Voris video about replacing democracy with a "Christian dictator." If I don't agree with Michael Voris' questionable political views as a Catholic, it is because it was Christ Himself who said "My kingdom is not of this world.!"
May God preserve us from "Christian" dictators!
Michael Voris S.T.B. :Why We Should Replace Democracy with Christian Dictator
http://tentsofissachar.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/michael-voris-s-t-b-why-we-should-replace-democracy-with-christian-dictator/
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Another interesting overview of Voris' "apostolate."
VIRTUAL POLEMICAL VIDEOS NOT REAL CATHOLIC TV
http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/29/virtual-polemical-videos-not-real-catholic-tv/
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Have a good read.
Muslim terrorists put chokehold on food to Christians
'There are those who do not allow aid to come in'
Members of Somalia's jihadi group al-Shabaab are on a campaign to starve the country's Christians by preventing food from being delivered to them, according to ministry groups working in the chaotic region.
While reports from a number of analysts say Mogadishu's population is swelling daily with people coming to the city to escape the famine-ravaged countryside, Christian human rights groups offer additional details.
According to the Barnabas Fund, it is the al-Qaida-affiliated group al-Shabaab whose members are putting a chokehold on international food aid that is being dispatched to Somalia but is not reaching the people.
For more....
http://tinyurl.com/3w9t5ye
I'm posting more frequently now to TWITTER links to these articles in Tinyurl form. My Google options allow for pages to be translated into English (although I'm getting lots better at reading the Spanish and French).
Constance
This blockade of food to Christians is PURE EVIL. It's not the first time I have heard of it, however. There was a priest in Detroit who used to be a missionary with a religious order to Africa, Somalia area as I recall. I was introduced to him and spoke with him at some length probably about 2002. He said the first time he had witnessed "pure evil" was when he saw available food deliberately blockaded from starving peoples.
Constance
Constance
In the real world, there are going to be a variety of opinions.
Do you think Christians should just sit back and not participate in any civil society?
Should American Christians involved in politics have their churches burnt to the ground, have thousands of people killed?
Yes, that will teach the Christians to stay out of the public square.
Savvy
Savvy
Thanks for watching and reporting here!
Constance
Constance
And, no, I'm not a Catholic basher. I was a devout Catholic for half my life and am VERY well versed with the doctrines and Canon law.
So, sorry if anyone is offended, but I am very disgusted. The diocese of Wilmington, DE ( I am no longer a member) is bankrupt from settlements of sexual abuse cases of almost 80 million dollars (and this is relatively smaller diocese). There have been billions, yes billions of dollars paid out by the church all over the world. Can you tell me that on that scale, that no one really important in the church hiearchy knew about these things over the years, and I mean all the way to the top?
There are MANY good Catholic people out there, but the church is, how do you say? Pure evil.
Please look at these pictures and tell me whose evil here. Nasty people attacking young Catholics praying
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/08/18/anti-pope-protesters-confront-madrid-police-and-catholic-wyd-pilgrims-pix/
Nobody has been more disgusted by the sex abuse scandals than faithful Catholics.
But, the gates of hell will not prevail.
Most of us go to churches without abuse and studies have proven that the abuse rates are the lowest of any organization.
I am not saying, this makes this right.
My personal experience has been that Catholics, in name only, who rally against the church, generally do so, because they have ulterior motives, or disagree with her teachings.
That being said, there is a growing wall between baby-boomers who have destroyed our church and younger Catholics who are faithful.
Savvy
There have also countless false allegations made.
There is no place today safer than the Catholic church, which has worked very hard to get rid of these things, once exposed.
Sex abuse is however still rampant in many other churches, schools, and organizations.
Savvy
http://lxoa.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/anonymous-seminarians-criticise-maynooth/
http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar74.htm
http://www.apropos.org.uk/index.htm
Savvy
The attacks on the young Catholics are absolutely horrible. I think any sensible person should see across denominational, political, etc. lines that these actions are wrong towards any human being.
The issue is not - "check this out and tell me who is nasty here'. It is not about tit for tat. The issue is that the same church fathers who teach "canon law" to many of these young people, are the same ones who have participated in and knowingly concealed these horrible acts. That is REALLY scary.
And you are wrong. It is not one of one of the lowest of any organizations with these occurrences. But, we know it depends on which study you read - doesn't it?
I respect your right to respond, but I will remain silent on this issue after this post as it is not my intention to start one of those nasty denominational arguments I have seen happen here many times in the past.
God Bless
"The issue is that the same church fathers who teach "canon law" to many of these young people, are the same ones who have participated in and knowingly concealed these horrible acts. That is REALLY scary."
You are making sweeping generalizations by attacking all priests.
Yes, I said we are all disgusted by what took place.
Catholic teachings however, have been handed down from the Apostles and not invented by these priests.
I make a distinction between teachings and actions that have been a gross violations of these teachings.
"It is not one of one of the lowest of any organizations with these occurrences. But, we know it depends on which study you read - doesn't it?"
It depends on the facts.
Sexual Abuse in Social Context: Clergy and Other Professionals
http://www.catholicleague.org/rer.php?topic=The+Sex+Abuse+Scandal&id=110
God Bless You Too.
Savvy
You are also forgetting that the church consists of all the people in it, saints and sinners, not just the clergy.
Savvy
I have noticed these days most of this nastiness is coming from gay activists, feminists etc.
We need to pray for our enemies.
savvy
In reply - you assume that Christians CAN be in politics. That isn't an option in Saudi Arabia or North Korea. In democracies, I believe that Christians should be in politics but the church as an institution should not. Clear?
Anon@1:52 p.m.
Yes, I understand that the church as an institution should not be in politics.
However, it's a fact a religious Catholic or a religious Protestant politician is not going to compromise their principles.
If you are one of those people who think the church should shut up and sit down. I disagree.
Since atheists, socialists, The New Age are not doing the same.
Savvy
You have to also understand that Catholics are seen as the bigger threat, because everybody knows nobody is going to take a Bible-thumper's rantings seriously.
But, they just might take those who argue for their values using sound logic.
Savvy
http://byztex.blogspot.com/2011/08/los-angeles-church-desecrated.html
Savvy
Savvy
http://tinyurl.com/43dd4pv
http://www.speroforum.com/a/58847/Hindus-attack-Christian-church-in-Pune-India
Savvy
The Sisters of Life are Blogging from Madrid. If you were actually versed in Catholic teaching, as you claim you would not call it scary.
feed://loveandlifewydmadrid.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
Savvy
"The besetting sin that has riven the two sides is homosexuality, more specifically pansexuality in the form of LGBTQI (I - the latest letter in the pansexual alphabet -stands for something called Intersex - the abnormal condition of being intermediate between male and female; hermaphroditism.)."
http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=14767
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/08/21/israel.violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/world/middleeast/21egypt.html?_r=3&hp
You are right! The atheists are losing sleep.
"In wake of World Youth Day success, atheist Richard Dawkins decries "extreme power" of Catholic Church, plans September 17 demonstration."
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/08/richard-dawkins-atheism-wyd-pope-benedict/1?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Religion-TopStories+%28News+-+Religion+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
Savvy
Are you saying, at 7:11, that Protestants
are illogical Bible thumpers and only
Roman Catholics are logical ?
So Isaac Newton (Anglican)
was just an illogical fraud.
Right when I was about to say how
I heard the Pope speaking and I was
pleasantly surprised to hear him
lifting up Christ alone without all
the usual trappings.
I was referring to some Protestants, not all.
I am sorry if this came across as a generalization.
Savvy
What you mean is what you "think" are the usual trappings?
Savvy
argument blog between Catholics and Protestants?
I dont' come here for that kind of posts and think its very inappropriate considering the state of the world right now.
In the meantime, I found a valuable resource on Eugenics and its relationship to the New Age Movement and Nazism. You can find it at this link:
http://www.trdd.org/EUGBROE.HTM
Thanks!
CONSTANCE
Constance
Further, the ongoing struggle to fight God by "termites from within; wrecking balls from without" will continue until the end of time.
Who is on the Lord's side?
Constance
I regret to say I am still reading it after all this time. I read a significant chapter last night. It looks like that ugly history is repeating itself -- this time on a much wider scale than the internal boundaries of Germany from which Shuster reported.
Constance
Constance
http://tinyurl.com/3ccl8kh
Constance
Constance
That's just the way it is and has been. Fortunately, apart from the "Baal" components, most were duly concerned about the New Age Movement which is a major focus here.
Constance
Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Military hides from ... the Red Cross???
I'm not a lawyer, but common sense and every Mom in the world will tell you: when the kids are hiding something, they know they're guilty. If we can apply that same logic to Lt. Col. Diane Beaver, a retired military lawyer, then the Bush argument that waterboarding is not really torture disintegrates in a puddle of useless lies. In documents released by the Senate Armed Services Committee, Beaver said this in a 2002 meeting at Gitmo:
"We may need to curb the harsher operations while ICRC [Red Cross] is around. It is better not to expose them to any controversial techniques."
On the same subject of torture, we have another classic defense from CIA spokesman George Little: the ends justify the means.
"The agency program, which has been carefully reviewed within our government, has disrupted terrorist plots and saved innocent lives."
Using this logic, we could send NYPD out to, say, shoot everybody in Manhattan. Then we could justify our actions by pointing at the reduced crime rates.
The scariest part of all this is that these Washington types seem to believe their own words, and expect us to believe, too. It's like ... they've been deluded or something.
And then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
http://akagaga.blogspot.com/2008/06/military-hides-from-red-cross.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/4xl4rra
That reminds me of one of my favorite Bible passages describing the Godly king Josiah where of him it was said he walked neither to the right hand, nor to the left, but strictly in the paths of the Lord.
Most excellent policy!
Constance
If someone told me that their church had no sinners. I would not go there. It would be to good to be true.
Savvy
http://tinyurl.com/3krke72
http://tinyurl.com/3p5be5u
or
http://www.euractiv.com/en/future-eu/eu-leaders-face-crossroads-european-integration-analysis-507032
http://www.unsealed.org/
(snip)
According to Thorsten Benner it is vital that NATO recognize that political stabilization is not something it excels at.
"NATO had a very limited UN mandate in Libya which it consistently overstepped so it should now scale back its involvement and let the UN and regional organizations such as the African Union and European Union take the lead on the international front." (cont'd)
http://tinyurl.com/3n3rhyj
or
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15334410,00.html
http://tinyurl.com/3zalme5
Hmmmmm????!!!
Constance
Looking in on Cristina Gallach, I discovered her reference to this obviously deeply anti-Catholic Church article. While she wrote "no comment," about same, it does reflect the same type of anticlerical sentiment that brought deep persecution on many in past episodes in Spain, Mexico and elsewhere.
Mexico was going to be kept out of the League of Nations because of its anti-Catholic in particular and anti-Christian in general combined with the bloody persecutions of same. It was Solana's GRANDFATHER/COUSIN/UNCLE/WHATEVER (depending on which version of his ever changing genealogy one accepts) SALVADOR DE MADARIAGA who stood up in the League of Nations and gave the impassioned speech which resulted in Mexico's admission to the League in the height of the bloody slaughter of Christian faithful.
Whether the attitude is Cristina Gallach's / Javier's or not, that it exists is an ominous foreshadowing of what so many of the global governance folks would like to see come to pass.
http://tinyurl.com/3e85alw
CONSTANCE
“@javiersolana: Why the United States Must Support Bid for Palestinian State - Brookings Institution http://t.co/WWWLeeI” Totally agree!
This is the URL for the Brookings Institution reference:
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2011/0809_palestine_sharqieh.aspx
or
http://tinyurl.com/3d9354o
Things are happening very fast!
Constance
And, it seems the 'prophets' of hyper-charismaticism are saying theres to be some sort of acceleration in Sept/Oct. Bill Johnson appears to be getting more blatant as evidenced by his most recent tweet:
“Jesus is returning for a bride whose body is in equal proportion to her head.”
I do believe Colossians 2:19 applies [NIV especially]
http://tinyurl.com/3nf6bkl
and see
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25955
Armageddon draweth near????
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