Friday, May 08, 2009

Senator George Mitchell: A New Ager?

In a used Christian bookstore maintained by a local rescue mission, I made a most amazing find yesterday. I didn't know just how amazing until I looked at it just before starting to bed. I delayed bedtime to bring you this amazing piece of the puzzle. I found a little book, "A Call to Action Book" by one Louise Diamond. Entitled, THE COURAGE FOR PEACE: Daring to Create Harmony in Ourselves and the World; its foreword is by Neale Donald Walsch. It appears to be a 1999 release. Curiously, the date of the copyright is not shown. The book is dedicated by her as follows:

"My spiritual Teacher, the Venerable Dhyani Ywahook , Principal Chief of the Green Mountain Band of the Aniyunwiwa (Cherokee) People, Who is, for me, The Spirit of Peace incarnate. With boundless compassion and generosity she has passed to me The precious teachings from her ancient lineage. They permeate my life and every word in this book. I am immeasurably grateful."
Louise Diamond's "Spiritual Lesson 1 is "The One That We Are is Simply Divine!" It was routine New Age stuff to me until I blinklingly looked at the back of the book and saw a a strong endorsement by former Senator George Mitchell, who continues to play a pivotal role for the USA on the Middle East / Israel / Palestinian issues. The book itself characterizes Louise Diamond as "an expert in conflict resolution and cofounder of the Institute for Multi-Track Diplomacy."

Wrote Senator Mitchell of Ms. Diamond's so very obvious New Age book"

"Who are the peacemakers of the world? In my work in international peacebulding in recent years, I have come to the same conclusion as Louise Diamond in her groundbreaking book -- namely, that the peacemakers are each and every one of us. Full of inspiring stories and useful tools, this book is a must-read for everyone who understands that peace in our daily lives, in our families and communities, is a crucial part of building a world where peace is truly a way of life."

Louise Diamond wrote that one John McDonald was her partner and cofounder of the Institute for Multi-Track Diplomacy. She has seminars and faculty. The all star New Age lineups included Barbara Marx Hubbard, John Davidson, and Corrine McLaughlin.
Is George Mitchell a politician who puts his name out wherever possible? Or is he a self-conscious New Ager? What is his real relationship with Javier Solana and vice versa?
Louise Diamond has the tightest of ties with major New Age interests: Institute of Noetic Sciences (a Paul Temple connection?), Barbara Marx Hubbard, Lucis Trust, etc.

President Barack Obama has named George Mitchell as the Special Envoy for Peace in the Middle East. Javier Solana welcomed this appointment of Mitchell, his long time friend.
If George Mitchell is a self-conscious New Ager, we are in even deeper trouble than I initially guessed. Stay tuned!


Anonymous said...

Disturbing information!

Constance Cumbey said...

Can't seem to correct the format no matter what I do with the story. Here's more on the "multi-track diplomacy" which reads amazingly like material from Alice Ann Bailey's THE EXTERNALISATION OF THE HIERARCHY:

Multi-Track Diplomacy: A Systems Approach to Peace.

By Louise Diamond, Ph.D. and Ambassador John W. McDonald, Third Edition, Published by Kumarian Press, West Hartford, CT, © 1996, 177 pages

Multi-track diplomacy is a way to view the process of international peacemaking as a living system. It looks at that web of interconnected parts (activities, individuals, institutions, communities ) which operate together for a common goal: a world at peace. This book identifies and documents nine tracks in this system: government; professional conflict resolution; business; private citizen; research, training, and education; activism; religion; funding; and media or public opinion. For each track the authors examine the purpose, culture, structure, activities, and place in the field of that track. Finally, the implications of this systems approach are considered in a rapidly changing, increasingly interdependent global community


Constance Cumbey said...

George Mitchell was also chairman of the Walt Disney Company:

"George Mitchell, chairman of the Walt Disney Company and former U.S. Senator. A recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the UNESCO Peace Price, he chaired a committee to examine the continuing crisis between Israelis and Palestinians and oversaw the relief fund for victims in the 9/11 attacks."


Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Constance and all,

In the process of viewing the material on the imtd web site, I read a few of the publications which all have the usual NA jargin. My interest was peaked however when I noticed imtd was an off shoot of the Combined Federal Campaign. A quick search brought me to the U.S. office of personell management, whose tag line is, ensuring the federal govt. has an effective civilian work force. In short imtd is not only very NA, but very well connected to the US govt via CFC and OPM.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

NOTE: A quick search for cfc brings up numerous chapters at the local level through out the country.

Susanna said...

Dear Constance and All,

Just wanted to contribute a few additional details to what you have already posted.

In November 2009, there is to be a seminar presented by the Common Bond Institute entitled "ENGAGING THE OTHER."

"WE INVITE YOU TO:an extraordinary international conference to address the roots of fear based belief systems and negative stereotypes, prejudice, polarization, enemy images, and artificial barriers of misunderstanding and distrust that divide us.

JOIN an international list of presenters and visionaries, and engage in 3 1/2 days of focused, facilitated dialogue, bridging the divide and cultivating our capacity for appreciation of diversity, reconciliation, and peace."

Summary notes on last year's 2008 ENGAGING THE OTHER conference are to be found here:

At a 2007 conference presented by the Common Bond Institute the speakers included Louise Diamond, and James O' Dea, Phd. who, at the time, was still president of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

James O'Dea, PhD, is the President of the Institute of Noetic Sciences and a native of Ireland. He was director of the Washington DC office of Amnesty International for 10 years, and for 5 years was executive director of Seva, a non-profit organization dedicated to international health & development issues in Latin America, Asia, and on American Indian reservations. He created and for 5 years has co-lead a series of dialogues funded by the Fetzer Institute called "Compassionate and Social Healing," bringing together leaders and activists in a variety of fields related to human rights, peace, and social reconciliation initiatives. He lived and worked in Turkey and Lebanon, and witnessed civil conflict and massacres, which influenced him deeply. He is a member of Ervin Laszlo's World Wisdom Council.


James O'Day is also listed on Louise Diamond's Global Systems Initiatives site which she founded and directs...

(http://www.globalsystems a list of "HOW TO CHANGE THE WORLD FACULTY" members at this link which is - interestingly enough - only available in its cached form:

Along with articles by familiar names such as Deepak Chopra and Ervin Laszlo, the Institute for Multi-Track Diplomacy and the Institute of Noetic Sciences are included in the same Table of Contents of the following site called EARTHRISE:

The Dawning of a New Civilization in the 21st Century

A Compilation of Articles by Leading Pioneer Organizations

Compiled by the Goi Peace Foundation

Edited by Patrick U. Petit

Herbert Utz Verlag • München

Copyright © 2008 Herbert Utz Verlag GmbH
ISBN 978-3-8316-0735-8
Printed in GermanyHerbert Utz Verlag GmbH, München
089-277791-00 ·

The name of the site EARTHRISE was likely inspired by the name of the famous photograph of Earth taken by William Anders in 1968 during the Apollo 8 mission to the moon.

Just as a little review here, one of the astronauts for the Apollo 14 mission was Edgar Mitchell, one of the co-founders of the Institute of Noetic Sciences along with Paul N. Temple and fellow - Uri Geller and A COURSE IN MIRACLES promoter Judith Skutch Whitson.


Here are some related links.


At the following site, one particular paragraph caught my eye. It occurs to me that in terms of Bronner's promoting "dialogue," perhaps he might want to consider practicing what he preaches.

If his own so-called "strident polemic" is against those who, while NOT pushing for what he calls a "self-serving globalism," are, nevertheless, simply loathe to compromise with their religious beliefs and the morality their beliefs embody, then said "strident polemic" may not only be more a part of the problem than part of the solution, but also an example of "strident hypocrasy" if "tolerance" is not to be applied across the board.

What anchors Bronner’s book? In a word it must be “dialogue.” And then there is the pursuit of
dialogue. And finally there is a strident polemic against those in power in the United States who do
not dialogue, especially with America’s enemies.
The latter judgment is aimed at the recently exited Bush Administration and its supporters from
America’s conservatives and the Christian Evangelical Right. For Bronner, the Bush Administration
had been the epitome of those who do not dialogue, who do not listen to other perspectives. They
are those “committed to a self-serving globalism rather than cosmopolitanism, (whose) officials lied
to the American public and to the international community,” carrying with it “a peculiar arrogance
informed (by) the twin beliefs that only the United States – and perhaps a few of its close allies – has
the right to engage in preemptive strike and doing so will evoke limitless gratitude from liberated
peoples who wish only to be like us” (6, 7).

Susanna said...


Here is a clearer link to the EARTHRISE site:

See also...

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

NOTE 2: A quick IMTD search brought me to International Center for Religion and Diplomacy, whom IMTD is a proud partner of. As are these organizations

Africa Center for Peace and Democracy

American Jewish Committee

American Muslim Council

Carter Center

Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding

Center for Strategic and International Studies

Center for Studies in Religion & Society, University of Victoria (Canada)

Community of St. Egidio (Rome)

Faith and Politics Institute

Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service

Institute for Global Engagement

Institute for Multi-Track Diplomacy

Institute for Sustainable Peace

Initiatives of Change

International Centre for Reconciliation at Coventry Cathedral

International Institute of Islamic Thought

Japan Center for Preventive Diplomacy

Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies

Mercy Corps International

PAX World Service

Salam Institute for Peace and Justice

Spiritual Enterprise Institute

St. Ethelburga's Center (London)

Tanenbaum Center

U.S. Institute of Peace

World Conference of Religions for Peace

World Future Fund

World Vision

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...


You went one way, I went the other. lol!

Susanna said...



Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Here is an article from Louise Diamond adressing European Platform for Conflict Prevention and Transformation. In which she sounds more like Dr. Solana than I am comfortable with.

Anonymous said...

This is all interesting.
Interesting that Mitchell ties to Disney, which always comes up with connections to MK Ultra and mind control discussions.

FYI- I will be going to see the new star trek movie today, and will probably write a commentary tomorrow.

Susanna said...

JD and All,

Anyone remember this one from just this past February 5, 2009?


So the chameleon lives on. Tony Blair, the closest world leader to George Bush, was this morning awarded "first friend" status by Barack Obama.

At the annual National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, Obama lavished praise on Blair, who was the principal speaker.

The president said: "I want to thank my good friend Tony Blair for coming today, somebody who did it first and perhaps did it better than I will do. He has been an example for so many people around the world of what dedicated leadership can accomplish. And we are very grateful to him."

Obama's gushing remarks shows that Blair has pulled off a charm offensive that even some fans thought was beyond the former prime minister: to woo the new president who has spent his first weeks trashing key legacies of Bush's presidency.

Obama's warm words show that the new president appears to agree with Blair's assessment at the weekend that they are similar political figures who are almost above the political fray. Blair told the Times on Saturday: "I think there is a new generation of political leaders who find the very traditional pigeonholing rather redundant, actually."

The warmth between the two men will come as a relief to fans of Blair, who feared that his closeness to Bush – at one point he starred in a White House "Barney the Dog" Christmas video – would place the former prime minister in a difficult position in Washington.

But Blair's deep interest in faith – he was the principal speaker at this morning's breakfast in his role as head of his Faith Foundation – has obviously endeared him to Obama, as my colleague Benedict Brogan writes on his blog.

The president's warmth will provide crucial support for Blair in his role as the Middle East envoy for the Quartet, which consists of the EU, the US, the UN and Russia.There had been speculation that the appointment by Obama of George Mitchell, the former US senator who chaired the Northern Ireland peace talks, as his envoy to the Middle East would undermine Blair's position. But Hillary Clinton, the new US secretary of state, offered Blair support when they met in Washington on Wednesday.

It will not go unnoticed that Blair has beaten Gordon Brown to meet President Obama. But Brown, who has patched up his differences with Blair (as I wrote in G2 last month), will be relaxed. He was the first EU leader to talk to Obama after his inauguration and will be the first EU leader to welcome him to Europe at the G20 summit in London in April.

Brown will know that having a British envoy in the Middle East who enjoys the support of the US president will enhance the UK's standing.

Just as a little review for new people, the annual Prayer Breakfasts had their origin with Abraham Vereide who founded The Fellowship Foundation (a.k.a. The Family).

The same Wikipedia article describes Paul N. Temple's ties with The Family:

Vereide's principal collaborator in France was Edmond Michelet, five-time minister under President Charles de Gaulle.[2]

By 1942, the organization had moved headquarters to Washington, DC, where it helped create breakfast groups in the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives. In 1944, the organization's name was changed to International Christian Leadership, then in 1972, to The Fellowship Foundation. It was at this time that the group's leaders decided to lower the Fellowship's public profile by decentralizing its leadership.

The movement's members have been active in reconciliation efforts between the warring leaders of The Democratic Republic of the Congo, Burundi, Rwanda and many other similar conflicts around the world.

The movement has had some involvement with the New Age Movement also known as the "Cultural Creatives Movement" in the form of Paul N. Temple, a former Standard Oil executive who was also instrumental in founding the Institute of Noetic Sciences as well as the World Business Academy. In 1987, The Family co-sponsored a conference, Bridging Through Christ, at the Goldlake New Age center near Boulder, Colorado. Barbara Marx Hubbard and Doug Coe co-chaired the event; David Spangler, Findhorn Community representatives, and Conservative Baptist Seminary representatives including Vernon Grounds and Gordon Lewis participated. The catalyst appears to have been Paul N. Temple, who co-founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences and is a major funder of both IONS and The Family through his "Three Swallows Foundation." The address of 133 C Street, SE, is the mailing address for Doug Coe,[3] and the address given on the 990 IRS form of the Three Swallows Foundation.

According to the Billy Graham Center Archives at Wheaton College in Illinois, Paul N. Temple's association with Abraham Vereide goes back to 1944.

After World War II Vereide went on a mission to Europe to round up "good Germans" who were believed to have only had peripheral ties to the Nazis - i.e.something along the lines of being "almost pregnant???" - armed with one letter signed by the head of the Marshall Plan.

Vereide arrived in Washington, D.C., on September 6, 1941, as the guest of a man referred to only as “Colonel Brindley.” “Here I am finally,” he wrote to his wife, Mattie, who remained in Seattle. “In a day or two—many will know that I am in town and by God's grace it will hum.” Within weeks he had held his first D.C. prayer meeting, attended by more than a hundred congressmen. By 1943, now living in a suite at Colonel Brindley's University Club, Vereide was an insider. “My what a full and busy day!” he wrote to Mattie on January 22.

The Vice President brought me to the Capitol and counseled with me regarding the programs and plans, and then introduced me to Senator [Ralph Owen] Brewster, who in turn to Senator [Harold Hitz] Burton—then planned further the program [of a prayer breakfast] and enlisted their cooperation. Then to the Supreme Court for visits with some of them . . . then back to the Senate, House. . . . The hand of the Lord is upon me. He is leading.

By the end of the war, nearly a third of U.S. senators attended one of his weekly prayer meetings.

In 1944, Vereide had foreseen what he called “the new world order.” “Upon the termination of the war there will be many men available to carry on,” Vereide wrote in a letter to his wife. “Now the ground-work must be laid and our leadership brought to face God in humility, prayer and obedience.” He began organizing prayer meetings for delegates to the United Nations, at which he would instruct them in God's plan for rebuilding from the wreckage of the war. Donald Stone, a high-ranking administrator of the Marshall Plan, joined the directorship of Vereide's organization. In an undated letter, he wrote Vereide that he would “soon begin a tour around the world for the [Marshall Plan], combining with this a spiritual mission.” In 1946, Vereide, too, toured the world, traveling with letters of introduction from a half dozen senators and representatives, and from Paul G. Hoffman, the director of the Marshall Plan. He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of “the predictable type” (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having “the faintest connection” with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison “to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction.” Vereide met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of “strong” government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

While digging for more connections to IMTD, I came across the Maxwell school at Syracure University. This is the division of the school that turns out social science majors and future politicians. While looking at former staff and alumni, I noticed a former dean by the name of Steven K. Bailey. I am having a hard time finding if there is any relation to the Bailey's we are all accustomed to. Any help I can get here would be appreciated, as I feel it may be important that a school turning out leaders of the world may have been headed by someone related to Alice or Foster.

Anonymous said...

It is amazing to see how the Lord works in this situation and leads you to the important information that needs to be out in the public. It wasn't by coincidence that you found that book. What a truly awesome God we serve. I appreciate your research,articles, etc. Thank you for your service to the Lord and to your brothers and sisters in Christ.


joyce said...

Jerusalem Academy has Multi-track Diplomacy listed on their website:


Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Government wants the military to run state schools

The Armed Forces will be drafted in to run state schools under plans to drive up discipline and respect in classrooms.
Ministers are in talks with defence chiefs about taking over a handful of schools and turning them into military academies.
Alongside daily lessons, pupils would be expected to take part in activities such as drills, uniformed parades, weapons handling and adventure training.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

This may have been posted already, but I don't remember seeing it.

Feingold Bill Gives ALL
US Water To The Feds!

In April, 2009, Senator Feingold introduced (and gathered 24 co-sponsors already) legislation, S. 787, to fundamentally change the definition of "water" under control of the federal government:


Section 502 of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (33 U.S.C. 1362) is amended--

(1) by striking paragraph (7);

(2) by redesignating paragraphs (8) through (25) as paragraphs (7) through (24), respectively; and

(3) by adding at the end the following:

`(25) WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES- The term `waters of the United States' means all waters subject to the ebb and flow of the tide, the territorial seas, and all interstate and intrastate waters and their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes, natural ponds, and all impoundments of the foregoing, to the fullest extent that these waters, or activities affecting these waters, are subject to the legislative power of Congress under the Constitution.'.

This would mean the only thing left to do, would be for the Feds to turn this over to an international body, or be subject to the rules of an international body. The second of which seems more probable, as this has been the way they have been working in the past.

Susanna said...


George John Mitchell, Jr., GBE (born August 20, 1933 in Waterville, Maine) is the American special envoy to the Middle East for the Obama administration. A Democrat, Mitchell was a United States Senator who served as the Senate Majority Leader from 1989 to 1995. He was chairman of The Walt Disney Company from March 2004 until January 2007, and was chairman of the international law firm DLA Piper at the time of his appointment as special envoy. He is the Chancellor of Queen's University in Belfast, Northern Ireland and was the main investigator in both Mitchell Reports.

Mitchell's father, George John Mitchell, Sr., was of ethnic Irish descent but was adopted by a Lebanese family. He was a janitor at Colby College. Mitchell's mother, Mary Saad, was a textile worker who emigrated to the United States from Bkassine, Lebanon at the age of eighteen.

Because of his origin, he has been defined as Arab-American.He graduated from Bowdoin College in 1954. He served in the United States Army from 1954 to 1956, rising to First Lieutenant. In 1961, Mitchell received his law degree from Georgetown University Law Center — he has since received an honorary LL.D. from Bates College.

Mitchell was raised a Maronite Catholic and in his childhood served as an altar boy at St. Joseph's Maronite Church in Maine.

He served as a trial attorney for the Antitrust Division of the United States Department of Justice in Washington, 1960–1962, and then as executive assistant to Senator Edmund S. Muskie 1962–1965. Mitchell practiced law in Portland, Maine, 1965–1977 and was assistant county attorney for Cumberland County, Maine in 1971.

....On March 4, 2004, Disney's board of directors, on which he had served since 1995, named him Michael Eisner's replacement as Chairman of the Board after 43% of the company's shares were voted against Eisner's reelection (35% was the minimum for disposal). Mitchell himself received a 24% negative vote,[13] a fact that led dissident Disney shareholders Roy E. Disney and Stanley Gold to criticize the appointment of Mitchell, whom they saw as Eisner's puppet.Having already served on the boards of such companies as Xerox, Starwood, Fedex, and Staples, Mitchell assumed his new role at a particularly tumultuous time in the company's history, needing to face such issues as Comcast's hostile takeover attempts and a possible split with Pixar.[14] Mitchell played an important role in the selection of Robert A. Iger as Eisner's successor as CEO in 2005.[15] On June 28, 2006, Disney announced that its board had elected one of its members, John Pepper, Jr., former CEO of Procter & Gamble, to replace Mitchell as chairman effective January 1, 2007. entire article...

Fast Facts:

• Born in Waterville, Maine in 1933. His mother was a Lebanese immigrant, his father an orphaned son of Irish immigrants who worked as a janitor at Colby College. As a youngster, Mitchell was a talented student, but frequently found himself overshadowed by the athletic exploits of his brothers.

• Received a B.A. from Bowdoin College (where he played on the basketball team) in 1954 and a law degree from Georgetown in 1960. In between pursuing his degrees, Mitchell enlisted in the army and served as a counter-intelligence officer in more...




Operation Paperclip was the code name for the 1945 Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency[1] O.S.S.[citation needed] recruitment of German scientists from Nazi Germany to the U.S. after VE Day.[2]

President Truman authorised Operation Paperclip in August 1945, however he had expressly ordered that anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazism militarism" would be excluded.

Under this criteria many of the scientists recruited such as Wernher von Braun, Arthur Rudolph and Hubertus Strughold, who were all officially on record as Nazi’s and listed as a “menace to the security of the Allied Forces”, were ineligible. All were cleared to work in the U.S. after having their backgrounds "bleached" by the military. The paperclip which secured their new details in their personnel files gave the operation its name.....

....On 19 July 1945, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff designated the handling of the Nazi scientists and their families as Operation Overcast, [8] but when their housing's nickname, “Camp Overcast”, became common, conversational usage, Operation Overcast was renamed Operation Paperclip[7][8] in March 1946... more....




Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Obama budget nixes aid for jailing illegal immigrants

President Obama voted in the Senate to provide additional funding for a program targeted for elimination by his budget that provides states a federal subsidy to offset the costs of jailing illegal immigrants.

Killing the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAPP) would save $400 million, according to Obama's budget for fiscal 2010 released Thursday. It's one of the largest non-defense discretionary cuts proposed in the president's budget.

The program is popular with border-state politicians on Capitol Hill, however, making its elimination a tough sell to lawmakers, particularly from California.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has repeatedly pushed for additional funding for the program, and lawmakers from other states that have costs associated with illegal aliens have also offered support.

A bipartisan trio of House members from California have drafted a letter urging the House Appropriations subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science and Related Agencies to restore funding for the SCAAP program. The three members, Reps. Mike Honda (D), Adam Schiff (D) and Jerry Lewis, the top Republican on the Appropriations Committee, are also asking the rest of the California House delegation to sign the letter, Honda's office said.

HMMM!! Smells like integration!

Anonymous said...

okay back from Start trek, the new age stuff seems primarily the typical "star trek" stuff. I will take time to put together the commentary sometime tomorrow. Usual new age themes of time, space, duality, student/teacher, destiny, and being "special" play a role. Will let you all know when I have it written.

Rudi said...

Joyce, the name, Ambassador John W. McDonald rang a familiar bell for me too and I noticed last night he is on the list of Patrons, Honorary and Ordinary Members and Associate Partners of Jerusalem Peace Academy.

Susanna, you mentioning James O'Dea and the Fetzer Institute in the same paragraph reminded me of something.
Awhile back I signed up to receive the Fetzer Institute newsletter, primarily to keep up with the ongoing 'Campaign for Love and Forgiveness'. Exactly as we've come to expect, under girding all the sickeningly sweet
platitudes, enticing humanity to participate, are the same "spiritual teachers", repeating the same ego embracing lie.
...Your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God. "Divinity in us,the hope of glory".

The Fetzer Institute homepage for 'The Campaign for Love & Forgivness' has the info following under the heading, 'Practice Love & Forgiveness'.
Fetzer's newsletters point the reader directly to the 'Living Spiritual Teachers Project' recommending Frederic and Mary Ann Brussat, who are the Directors of Spirituality and website. This in turn, opens wide the gate to the broad spiritual path that leads to destruction. Most of the teachers pictured and named will be very familiar to the majority of us.
Campaign for Love and Forgiveness:

Fetzer Institute Home:


Neale Donald Walsch and
Humanity's Team have petitioned the UN to declare an annual global Oneness Day. April 18, 2009 Humanity's Team gave one of those who signed the petition, Desmond TuTu its 2009 Spiritual Leadership Award at its global Oneness Summit in Pretoria, South Africa.


Here is the text of the
Oneness Day petition:

Also, I found it interesting to compare the recently updated list of key organizations and resources Humanity's Team identifies as active partners with the lists found on the websites of the
"Common Bond Institute". The list on Humanity's Team page is a good one to bookmark for future reference and follow-up.

Humanity's Team Active Partners:

NOTE: This list includes at the bottom
*Office of the President of the United States.

Common Bond Institute
Endorsers & Supporters:



Rudi said...

OOP's!! I made an error above. The link to a Press Release about the Global Oneness Day petition / United Nations / TuTu signing should be :

Susanna said...

Hi Rudi,

Thanks for the additional information.

The story I have been researching and following closely for some time now is the post-World War II infiltration of the neo-Nazis into Christianity (BOTH Catholic and Protestant), the New Age Movement and, believe it or not, the radical Left.

BEFORE the end of World War II, some of the leading Nazis foresaw their own defeat at the hands of the allies and began to make plans to go underground, survive, live to fight another day (World War III?) and hopefully establish a more global "Fourth Reich." Hence, the "ratline" networks like the one that came to be known as "ODESSA."

In fact, a Jewish journalist and refugee from Nazi Germany named Curtis Riess foresaw the same thing and wrote about it in a book published in 1944 entitled THE NAZIS GO UNDERGROUND. The book is no longer in print, but you can read it for free online here.

In 1944, Abraham Vereide also appears to have foreseen the Nazi defeat and, as I explained before, began making plans to rehabilitate those Nazis whom he defined as "good Germans."

As you know, Paul N. Temple has ties to Vereide that go back to 1944 according to the Billy Graham Center Archives. Temple also worked for Remington Arms and Standard Oil. Both had ties to the Rockefellers. Both had direct and indirect ties to I.G. Farben.

The Fetzer Institute not only has ties to the Institute of Noetic Sciences co-founded by Paul N. Temple, and for which James O'Day served as past President, but it also has ties to the Max Planck Society.

As I have already mentioned, the Max Planck Society was formerly known as the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Nazi Germany but changed the name because it had acquired a bad reputation vis a vis its infamous experiments - especially in the area of eugenics.

Check out the following.



Arthur Guy Zajonc (born 11 October, 1949, Boston, Massachusetts) is a professor of physics at Amherst College in Massachusetts. He is also a noted anthroposophist who served as the General Secretary of the Anthroposophical Society in America. He held a number of dialogues with the Dalai Lama about science, spirituality and cosmology.


He received his Bachelors of Science in Engineering from the University of Michigan in 1971. He received his Masters of Science in Physics in 1973 and his Philosophy Doctorate in Physics in 1976 at the University of Michigan as well.

Academic career

Zajonc has taught at Amherst College since 1978. He was Assistant Professor of Physics 1978-1984, Associate Professor of Physics 1984-1991, and Professor of Physics 1991-present. 1976-1978 Postdoctoral Research Associate at the Joint Institute for Laboratory Astrophysics at the University of Colorado and the National Bureau of Standards, Boulder, Colorado. From 1981-82 he was a Visiting Associate Professor of Physics at the Ecole Normale Superieure at the Laboratoire de Spectroscopie Hertzienne in Paris. In 1984 was a Visiting Research Physicist at the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics, Garching (Munich), Germany with H. Walther. 1986 he was a Visiting Scientist at the Institute for Quantum Optics at the University of Hannover in Germany. He was the Chairman for the Department of Physics at Amherst College for three different appointments: 1987-1989, 1998-2000, and 2005-present. In 1991 he was a Visiting Scientist at the Department of Physics at the University of Rochester with L. Mandel. In 1993 he was a Fulbright Professor at the University of Innsbruck, Austria teaching and doing research on the Experimental Foundations of Quantum Physics. Later that same year he was a Scholar-In-Residence at the Fetzer Institute. He was the Senior Program Director of the Fetzer Institute 1995-1997. He is the director for the Academic Program of the Center for Contemplative Mind in Society since 2004. This organization is comprised of 1500 academics that support contemplative practices in higher education. In 2006 he became an Andrew W. Mellon Professor at Amherst.

Other accomplishments

Co-founder of the Kira Institute
Past president of the Lindisfarne Association.
Co-founder of the Fetzer InstituteDalai Lama

Zajonc held a number of dialogues with the Dalai Lama in 1997 which were later published in 2004 under his scientific coordination and editorship as Dalai Lama: The New Physics and Cosmology. He was moderator for the 2003 dialogue with the Dalai Lama at MIT.

Alison Abbott

Hubert Markl, president of the Max Planck Society (MPS), has accepted that the management and staff of its predecessor society were involved in Nazi war atrocities, and has apologized to their victims.His statement was in response to the findings of a group of science historians he commissioned in 1999 to investigate the role played by basic researchers of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society during the Second World War.

William E. Seidelman MD

Revised February 18, 2001.

The Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institute of Psychiatry, Munich

The Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institute of Brain Research, Berlin-Buch

The Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institute of Anthropology, Human Genetics and Eugenics, Berlin-Dahlem

Present day Max Planck Society

One hundred years ago this past December a German scientist by the name of Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck gave a lecture in Berlin to the German Physical Society. Planck's lecture would change the world forever. Entitled "On the Law of the Normal Distribution of Energy" the lecture marked the birth of quantum physics. Quantum physics established a basis for the later development of nuclear physics, the laser and the computer. It is the foundation of the modern technological world extending from nuclear energy to the transistor radio.

Max Planck was to become the most influential scientist in Germany. For 26 years (1912-1938) he was permanent secretary of the mathematics and physics sections of the Prussian Academy of Sciences. It was Planck who brought Albert Einstein to Berlin in 1914. Planck, who was awarded the 1918 Nobel Prize in Physics for his 1900 discovery, became the president of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society (1930-1937), the prestigious and influential organization established in 1911 by the German government and industry for the promotion of research.

After World War II the Kaiser-Wilhelm Society asked the aged Planck to again undertake the presidency of what had become a badly damaged organization. Planck also agreed to allow the Kaiser-Wilhelm Society to take on his name; thus today's Max Planck Society which assumed its new name in 1948, one year after Planck's death at age 89.

Planck's achievements and distinctions and influence did not protect him from tragedy. His first wife died in 1909. His eldest son was killed in World War I. Each of his twin daughters died in childbirth. Erwin, the only surviving child of his first marriage, was executed by the Gestapo for purported links with Hitler's would be assassins.

Planck was admired not only as a great scientist but also as a moral and courageous individual. He criticized Hitler's racial policies to Hitler's face. Rather than flee Germany Planck remained in an attempt to salvage what was left of German physical sciences. And in the 9th decade of his life he agreed to again become president of Germany's preeminent research organization (1) (2) (3) (4).

While Planck the person is regarded with honor the same cannot be said of the organization that continues to bear his name... entire article...

Susanna said...


The international esteem of the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes is reflected in the support it received from the Rockefeller Foundation. The Rockefeller Foundation made major contributions to the construction of the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes of brain research (Berlin-Buch) and psychiatry (Munich). It also provided financial support to other Kaiser-Wilhelm institutes adversely affected by World War I and the ensuing depression (6). In addition to capital funding for construction the Rockefeller Foundation supported research at the Munich psychiatric institute and twin research at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Genetics and Eugenics at Berlin-Dahlem (7).

Ironically, the three Kaiser-Wilhelm institutes that were beneficiaries of Rockefeller largesse were to eventually play important roles in the development, implementation and exploitation of the racial programs of the Third Reich including murderous experiments and the exploitation of the dead. Kaiser-Wilhelm scientists joined with the Nazi state in pursuit of the goal of improving the people's health (Volksgesundheit), the major emphasis being on eugenic and racial purification. The resulting collaboration between science and the Nazi state not only legitimized the policies and programs of the Hitler regime it resulted in the exploitation and mutilation and murder of untold thousands of innocent victims by physicians and scientists associated with some of the world's leading universities and research institutes. The participation of scientists associated with the Kaiser-Wilhelm Society enhanced the credibility of the Nazi state's program of scientific terror and murder (8).

Susanna said...


In 1935 the Rockefeller Foundation withheld funding for genealogical and demographic research at the Munich institute. In 1940 the executors of the Loeb estate also ceased payment to the institute. Desperate for support Rüdin turned to the SS terror organization for salvation. In 1939 the world's first and foremost psychiatric research institute came under the influence, if not the control, of the SS and its research organization, the notorious Ahnenerbe (7).

Anonymous said...


I don't know whether enough people have taken the time to tell you this, but I just want to let you know what a tremendous and valuable asset you are to this blog.

Thank you for your objective, brilliant, extensive research contributions. They are greatly appreciated.

usanna said...

Dear Anonymous 6:41 P.M.

Thank you for your kind words.

Susanna said...

Given the ties between the Max Planck Society , the Institute of Noetic Sciences, the Fetzer Institute and possibly other new Age organizations, and given the influence of all of these organizations in the global corriders of power, I think it is important that we make it our business to get wise to the history of these organizations and the backgrounds of the people involved with them.

With regard to the Max Planck Institute, the following may be one example of "mind sciences" - Nazi style.

For all its seemingly "virtuous" facade, the Max Planck Society didn't "fess up" to being in possession of its ill-gotten brain specimens until the 1980's.

Hallervorden's main collection point for specimens was the euthanasia killing center in the town of Brandenburg. At Brandenburg the victims were assembled in a large room disguised as a shower where they were asphyxiated with gas.

Hallervorden is known to have been present for some of the killings and to have removed the victims' brains shortly after their murder. Many of the Brandenburg victims came from the nearby large psychiatric hospital known as Görden. Hallervorden had a neuropathology facility on the grounds of the Görden hospital where specimens were prepared and sent to the Kaiser-Wilhelm institute in Buch (22) (23) (24) (25). Beginning in 1944, and for a number years after the war, the Kaiser-Wilhelm brain research institute and its neuropathological collection were moved from Berlin (via Giessen) to a permanent location near the University of Frankfurt and a newly constructed facility now known as the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research (26). The misbegotten specimens acquired by Hallervorden remained in the collection of the Max Planck Institute until 1990.

The provenance of the Frankfurt brain specimens was not revealed until the late 1980's. This revelation occurred around the same time there were similar disclosures involving the Institute of Anatomy of the University of Tübingen. At first Max Planck officials denied the existence of the Hallervorden collection (27). The entire collection of brain specimens in the collection of the Frankfurt institute was buried in two adjoining gravesites at the Forest Cemetery in Munich. Munich was chosen as the burial site because it is the home of the Max Planck Society (28). It was also revealed at that time that the Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry had in its collection brain specimens from children murdered in the child "euthanasia" program. These specimens came from children murdered at Eglfing-Haar; a psychiatric institution near Munich (29).

By the way, the infamous Dr. Josef Mengele, whose very name became synonymous with Nazi depravity, was a member of the Max Planck Institute when it was still known as the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute.

Dr. Mengele, a Doctor and an S.S. Officer, named "The Angel of Death of Auschwitz", served there from 1943 until the liberation of Auschwitz in January 1945. The connection between Dr. Mengele and the "Kaiser Wilhelm Institute" is a fact. The connection involved necessarily people, correspondence and documents. Obviously, Dr. Mengele was involved and active in the Institute itself. The people working there could not be mistaken about his activities. He corresponded with them in the language of medicine, and this language aspires precision and realism.

Dr. Mengele was not outside of history, not outside of time, and not outside of the networks that activate a society: organizations, law, communications systems, archives and culture. Dr. Mengele was not outside of Germany. more...



The role of biologists in Nazi atrocities: lessons for today’s scientists

Katrin Weigmann

Indeed, the interaction between science and politics during the National Socialist era was manifold. Many scientists were on expert advisory committees, directly feeding the system with scientific justification, many of them scientists from the KWS. Through them, the violent anti-Semitism was claimed to have scientific backing. Rüdin and Lenz were both members of the ‘Expert Committee for Population and Race Politics’ of the Ministry of the Interior. Thanks to Rüdin’s radical suggestions, the indications for compulsory sterilisation were extended to ‘morally feeble and other psychopaths’. The council furthermore developed regulations that paved the way for the ‘law for the protection of German blood and German honour’ in 1935, the infamous Nuremberg Law, prohibiting marriage and extra-marital intercourse between Jews and German citizens. Otmar von Verschuer, Fischer’s successor as Director of the KWI for Anthropology, Human Genetics and Eugenics stated, ‘It is important that our race politics—also in the Jewish question—get an objective, scientific background, which is also acknowledged in broader circles’.
Scientists were then required to put Nazi ideology into practice. The Nuremberg Law required the classification of all Germans as ‘Aryans’, ‘Full’ ‘Half’ or ‘Quarter Jew’. In cases of doubt, the Reich Kinship Bureau consulted scientists, many of whom were from the KWI for Anthropology, Human Genetics and Eugenics. Their judgement decided the fate of these people, and decisions were taken with scientific precision. Never did they fake an expert report to save someone’s life. Wolfgang Abel, a scientist at the KWI proudly gloated in an interview: ‘I had become the expert in the field of human facial and cranial shape because of my genetical studies—just as the Norwegian, Dr Quelprud, in our institute was the expert in the inheritance of the shape of the ear’ (Müller-Hill, 1984). Scientists were too devoted to their peculiar field of research to ever reflect on its consequences. more...

January 23, 2009

The Nazi doctor Josef Mengele is responsible for the astonishing number of twins in a small Brazilian town, an Argentine historian has claimed.

Constance Cumbey said...


Outstanding posts and astounding information. Thanks ever so much -- and within 5 miles of my home no less -- Oakland University. One of the professors there, a Dr. Brooks, as I recall, is an active and militant theosophist.


Susanna said...

Dear Constance,

Thank you for your kind and supportive words.

If I have been on my Nazi/neo-Nazi watch for many years, it is because of certain "up close and personal" incidents in my life that have been directly related to the Nazis and neo-Nazis.

One of them is a story having to do with the so-called "Death's Head Ring," (Totenkopfring) which, I am sure would make your hair stand on end!

But that is for another day.

Again, thank you for your kind and supportive comments.

Susanna said...


By the way, Constance, were you aware that Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater (now known as "Xe"...pronounced "zee") is reportedly a close friend of Chuck Colson and funds Colson's Prison Fellowship through his Freiheit Foundation?

Unlike his family, which is part of the Christian Reformed Church, Erik Prince is a Catholic. He most likely became Catholic when he married his first wife, who died of cancer shortly after they were married. Interestingly enough, most of the leadership at Blackwater is also Catholic, albeit a conservative wing of the church that is quite reactionary. Erik Prince is personally connected to conservative Catholic groups like Catholic Answer, Crisis magazine, and a Grand Rapids-based group, the Acton Institute. But Prince has not abandoned his Protestant/Evangelical roots and is a close friend of Watergate criminal turned believer Chuck Colson. They have shared the podium on several occasions, even once at Calvin College. According to Scahill, Prince is aligning himself with a new Catholic/Evangelical alliance called "Evangelicals and Catholics Together." The ECT manifesto states:

"The century now drawing to a close has been the greatest century of missionary expansion in Christian history. We pray and we believe that this expansion has prepared the way for yet greater missionary endeavor in the first century of the Third Millennium. The two communities in world Christianity that are most evangelistically assertive and most rapidly growing are Evangelicals and Catholics."

...While Prince’s family has contributed greatly to religious right groups, Prince’s foundation has primarily funded conservative Catholic or evangelical organizations that do not have clear ties to the religious right. A major exception is the Freiheit Foundation’s $500,000 grant to ex-Watergate felon Chuck Colson’s Prison Fellowship, an evangelical ministry operating within the United States’ prison system and receiving financial backing from a variety of religious right funders...

björn said...

Susanna - I have written about earthrise in 'beast ahoy' one year ago here:

björn said...

Constance, this Mitchell thing is an awful important finding, thanks!

björn said...

concerning the south american tunnel system page, they write about 'the chronicle of akakor' by Karl Brugger. I read the book last summer (found it at an antquariat). It was the main inspiraion for George Lucas' Indian jones film 4 with the crystall skulls (he names his secret city 'Akator', and also the design is right out of the book). The Brugger 'report' was based on the faked story of a fake Indian, who turned out to be a German. Brugger, working for the German State TV, was shot some years later in South
America under strange circumstances...

joyce said...

Pope's first stop Jordan..A visit with King and Queen Rania of AoC and A Common Word, a Jordanian led initiative:

HK-91 said...


In reguards to your posts on Naziism and your research on the topic I thought I'd refer you to an author and some of his books, for your consideration.

The author's name is Dr.Joseph P. Farrell, and here is a list of three of his books:

"Reich of the Black Sun"

"SS Brotherhood of the Bell"

"Nazi International"

All of Dr. Farrell's books are extensively footnoted and his research is done at a highly scholarly level, jam packed with information.

You might find them informative, and thought provoking.

If you do a Google search for his interviews you will find many sources of interviews he has done about his work. Here is a link to a site that has a good number of them and they are good interviews:

I hope this information will be helpful to you. I do enjoy the information you provide on your posts, keep up the good work.


Susanna said...


Thank you for the link to your fine article on Earthrise.

There is quite a cast of characters involved, and I have bookmarked it so I can go through all the names and organizations listed there.

If you haven't done so already, Bjorn, check out the "partners" who are partying together at this World Shift Network (The Club of Budapest) site.

The interesting thing about this site is that in the little blurb about the Global Challenge Network, no mention whatsoever is made about the fact that its founder Professor Hans-Peter Durr was and still is a big stink in the Max Planck Society. However, it is mentioned on the actual GCN website - albeit in German.

Here is a little review of Hans- Peter Durr:

From 1978 to 1980 he was executive Director of the Max Planck Institute for Physics and Astrophysics (Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Physics) and of the Werner Heisenberg Institute for Physics (1971, 1978-1980, 1987-1992). He was Vice executive director at the Max Planck Institute for Physics (Werner-Heisenberg-Institute) 1972-1977, 1981-1986 and 1993-1995. Until 1997 he was professor of physics at the Ludwig Maximilian University, both in Munich, Germany.

At the "partners site, there is also an organization called Quantrek,

Quantrec is the core project of Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo-Astronaut and founder or the Institute of Noetic Scieneces. Quantrek’s vision is to accelerate advancement of knowledge about the ultimate nature of reality through the scientific method. It embraces the goal of empirically establishing a unified theory of nature, one that incorporates the phenomenon of consciousness.
The Quantum Hologram (QH) model represents a synthesis of thinking that could link disparate schools of thought in physics. It also could bridge the centuries-old chasm between science, metaphysics, philosophy and religion, thereby creating a convergence among them.
Quantrek sponsors rigorous research and sophisticated experimentation that may one day lead to a more encompassing, holistic, multi-disciplinary explanation of the nature, structure and function of the universe.

Here is Quantrek's website:

One often hears "quantum" this and "quantum" that coming out of the mouths of the more supercilious New Agers who seek to legitimize their occultism by making it appear "scientific" - as did the alchemists of the past who confounded formulae for their "magickal mixtures" with the authentic science of chemistry.

There seem to be few of these New Agers who are aware that Max Planck was the German physicist who is considered to be the founder of the quantum theory, and one of the most important physicists of the twentieth century.

One of the precise points where the Quantum Theory can be made to wander off the scientific reservation is the point
where the Uncertainty Principle of quantum mechanics is used as a justification for creating one's own reality.
Another is the notion that the observer can effect the thing observed vis a vis the energy expended in the very act of observing anything.

"Quantum physics has been quietly undermining the whole basis of
mechanistic cause and effect type science for nearly sixty years.

It has been said that if you are not shocked by the implications of
quantum physics then you have not understood it. This may be
perfectly true for the scientist but for the magician, quantum
physics provides elegant confirmation of many of his theories.

A quantitative approach to quantum physics is beyond all but the best
mathematician. Many of the principles are enshrined in equations for which we have few verbal or visual analogies. Because of this very
few laymen or philosophers have been able to appreciate what has
been going on.

Briefly in qualitative terms, we now have hard experimental evidence which strongly implies that physical process are, at root, acausal; they just happen out of themselves and that consciousness, or at least the decisions of the observer, can modify or control what happens. Secondly it would seem that pure information can travel anywhere instantaneously and perhaps persists indefinitely, providing there is some sort of affinity, or magical link as we would call it, between that which emits and that which receives.
Very few liberties need to be taken with quantum physics to fit in virtually the whole of parapsychology. It remains to be seen if quantum physics can be presented in sufficiently accessible form to provoke another occult revival.

The following "SATANIC RITUAL AND MAGIC SITE" reads:

The Quantum Physics explanation of supernatural magic

Modern proponents of the supernatural would invoke Quantum theory to explain supernatural magic, and the theories of faster than light communication, the interconnectedness of all things, the quantum soul theories and theories of will and effect (essentially of Thelema) are very relevant to occultists.

There are some good books on the subject of magic and the occult in a non-dualist framework, but if you wanting to look at it from a scientific point of view they will all be based on Quantum Physics. Look at Aspect's theories. Try books such as "The Quantum Self". I am not qualified to say much on supernatural magic myself.

Also on the World shift Network site is a link to the Global Marshall Plan Initiative. the Global Marshall Plan was founded by former Vice President Al Gore (D).

Susanna said...


Thank you for your kind words of encouragement and for your helpful information. As a result of running a search on Dr. Joseph P. Farrell, I have found a free online version of Dr. Jospeh P. Farrell's book. Here it is in case anyone else might be interested in reading it


Currently, I am reading the books that have been written by Nicholas Goodrick Clarke.






One of the reasons why the Nazis were believed to be obsessed with cornering the market on knowledge of the Black Arts is because the Nazis believed that advanced technology was encoded in the magic rituals - especially the black magic rituals - of various cultures around the world.



Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Susanna and others,

Herescope has a well written article concerning the early days of the emergent church, including its ties with Vereide, Buchman, and the family.

björn said...

thanks Susanna,
there is a great interview (mp3/ypoutube) with farrell here:

bye the way: once I met with farrell on the chat during constances radio show! He "spoke" with me in Frensh and German and seemed a very bright guy. The interview will give you the same impression and I think its always nice and helpful to hear the voice to the name.

Susanna said...


Thanks for the Herescope link. I will certainly check it out this evening.

Susanna said...


Thanks for the link. After HK-91 posted the list of Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's books I ran a search and was able to listen to part of an interview with Dr. Farrell.

I was favorably impressed.

I definitely want to listen to all of them - especially on account of my research on the mysterious "lost cities" and "secret tunnels" in Brazil and South America that the neo-Nazis are reportedly so feverishly hunting for - with financing from Iran.

Miguel Serrano believed that Hitler had actually survived in Antarctica!


.....The concept of Hyperborea has a simultaneously racial and mystical meaning for Serrano.[9] He believes that Hitler was in Shambhala, an underground centre in Antarctica (formerly at the North Pole and Tibet), where he was in contact with the Hyperborean gods and from whence he would someday emerge with a fleet of UFOs to lead the forces of light (the Hyperboreans, sometimes associated with Vril) over the forces of darkness (inevitably including, for Serrano, the Jews who follow Jehovah) in a last battle and thus inaugurating a Fourth entire article.....

There is a book entitled ARKTOS by Joscelyn Godwin,and according to the blurb,

This compelling book uses extensive foreign- language sources to enlighten English-speaking readers about the effect of the tilt of the earth's axis on catastrophes, the Hollow Earth Theory and the link between UFOs and the polar regions.ARKTOS


While we are on the subject of wierd Nazi "mysteries," here is an excerpt from another gem:


...The inspiration for this article began in the summer of 1996, when a series of email messages began to appear suggesting the possibility that “someone” or “something” was surreptitiously removing all recent maps of Antarctica. The notion was so outrageous that even die-hard conspiracy theorists found themselves having to clarify the subject—it wasn’t that Big Brother and his henchmen were ripping map pages out of every World Almanac and atlas in the country, it had merely become harder to obtain recent maps on Antarctica.

Intrigued by the electronic statements, I placed a call to Penn-Oh-West Maps in Pittsburgh to check on the availability of Antarctic projections. The storeowner’s response was startling: “Sorry, sir. All our new maps of South Pole are on back order. Must be some kind of problem with the USGS.”

The United States Geological Service, or USGS, produces the most detailed maps available, such as the 7.5-minute series topographic maps at a 1:20,000 scale. Nor is the USGS planet-bound—their expertise extends to detailed maps of the Moon, Mars, and Venus.

Antarctica has nearly 90% of the ice and 70% of the fresh water on Earth. The third-largest continent, it is one and a half the size of the US. Nations including the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, France and Argentina carry out experiments at bases dotted across the continent.

ALH 84001 was found in Antarctica during the 1984-1985 Antarctic summer. It was found by a team of meteorite hunters from the ANSMET program, which is sponsored by the Polar Programs Office of the U.S. National Science Foundation. ANSMET stands for ANtarctic Search for METeorites, and has been funded since 1977 by the NSF.

It is nearly certain that ALH 84001is from Mars, even though people have never been to Mars and no rocks have ever been collected on Mars. In fact, there are 11 other meteorites, called the SNCs, that are also almost certain to be from Mars. The strongest evidence for their Martian origin is that they, including ALH 84001, contain traces of gas that is just like the Martian atmosphere. We know the composition of the Martian atmosphere, because the Viking Lander spacecraft analyzed it, on Mars, in 1976. The Martian atmosphere is really different from the Earth’s atmosphere, or Venus’, or any other source of gas that has ever been found.

To get off Mars, ALH84001 must have left its surface going faster than Mars’ escape velocity, about 5 kilometers per second (about 11,000 miles per hour). The only known natural process that can get rocks moving so fast is meteorite impact--volcanoes can not throw rocks fast enough. If a large enough meteorite or asteroid hit Mars, some rocks nearby on Mars’ surface would be blasted up faster than the escape velocity and could leave Mars completely. The best estimates are that an asteroid bigger than about 1/2-2 kilometers could launch rocks like ALH 84001 off Mars and into space.

After it left Mars, ALH 84001 orbited the Sun on its own, like a small asteroid. It started out with an orbit nearly like Mars’. But its orbit changed each time it passed close to Mars or collided with an asteroid. Also, gravity from the planets (especially from enormous Jupiter) slowly nudged ALH 84001 farther and farther from Mars. By chance, the orbit of ALH 84001 changed enough so that it came near the Earth's orbit. 13,000 years ago, the Earth and ALH 84001 collided.

New Antarctica Mystery

Researchers have uncovered a Martian meteorite in Antarctica, one of only about 30 known Mars space rocks on Earth.

The specimen was found in December (2003) on an ice field about 466 miles (745 kilometers) from the South Pole, by a research team financed by NASA and supported by the National Science Foundation.

Scientists say the mineralogy, texture and oxidized nature of the rock are unmistakably Martian. At this point, there is no suggestion that the meteorite bears evidence of fossilized life.

~USA Today for July 22, 2004
"Piece of Mars found in Antarctica"

This leaves unanswered the question of how this rock crossed 52 million miles of space and arrived on Earth. Maybe a UFO landed on Mars, and the rock became lodged in its landing gear. Later, as the saucer was making its final approach into an alien base in Antarctica, the rock came loose and landed in the ice field. In short, the rock came to Earth the same way the dandelion came to North America--by ship.

Reflecting on the situation, I thought that the changes on the seventh continent are so few that they hardly justify the creation of new maps. If someone desperately needed a map of the South Pole, it would suffice to resort to a National Geographic map or to the nearest Rand McNally atlas. But could the polar conspiracy theorists be onto something?

The matter of polar cartography was soon forgotten—at least for me—until in 1999, the media trumpeted news of a truly sensational discovery: a lake whose waters had never seen the light of day, at least not for millions of years, a few miles beneath the polar icecap. The new body of water was christened with the name of the Russian experimental station located immediately above it: Vostok. entire article...

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

I found this via newswithviews, its an interview with Dr. Leuren Moret. In which she talks about eugenics and population control. I am not familiar with her, so if any body here is, I would be happy to here from them. I am approx. half way throughthe hour long interview, but have found many things already that are interesting.

björn said...

Dear Susanna,
sorry but I mixed Joseph P. Farrell and Peter Levenda in the comment before. I have read the material of Farrell and yes he was in the chat, but the interview was from the same site, but not with him, but with Peter Levenda, who was talking about the same subject (Nazis life in America), just his research is much more ripe (result of more than 40 years research) and it was his talking voice what i found so impressing...sorry! Here is the link:


Susanna said...


At the Herescope site, I noticed that Willis Harman of the Stanford Research Institute is mentioned.


Willis Harman (1918-1997) was a social scientist, academic, futurist, writer, and visionary. Publicly, he is most remembered as a social scientist with SRI International, for being President of the Institute of Noetic Sciences in California, and for his work in raising consciousness within the international business more...

....SRI International, founded as Stanford Research Institute, is one of the world's largest contract research institutes. Based in the United States, the trustees of Stanford University established it in 1946 as a center of innovation to support economic development in the region. It was later incorporated as an independent non-profit organization under U.S. and California laws. SRI's headquarters are in Menlo Park, California, near the Stanford University campus. Curtis Carlson, Ph.D., is SRI's president and CEO. Year 2008 revenue for SRI, including its subsidiary, Sarnoff Corporation, were approximately $485 million.[1] As of 2009, SRI and Sarnoff employ about 2,000 staff members combined.....

....In the 1970s, SRI undertook a number of research projects outside of the scientific mainstream, including research into expanded human consciousness and claims of extraordinary human abilities such as those attributed to celebrity psychic Uri Geller (see below)......

... In 1972, Dr. Harold E. Puthoff, then a researcher at SRI, put forth proposals to study quantum mechanics in life processes. This resulted in a series of studies in parapsychology, including the now controversial remote viewing programs that have been discontinued and partially declassified (see below).....

Research Outside the Mainstream

Clairvoyance and ESP

.....The first paper by Puthoff and Targ on psychic research to appear in a mainstream peer-reviewed scientific journal was published in Nature in March 1974; in it, the team reported some degree of remote viewing success.[13] One of the individuals involved in these initial studies at SRI was Uri Geller, a well-known celebrity psychic at the time. The research team reported witnessing some of Geller's trademark metal spoon-bending performances, but admitted that they were unable to conduct adequately controlled experiments to confirm any paranormal hypothesis about them.

Electroencephalography (EEG) techniques were also used by team to examine ESP phenomena. In these investigations, a sender, who was isolated in a visually opaque, electrically and acoustically shielded chamber, was stimulated at random by bursts of strobe-light flickers The experimenters reported that, for one receiver, differential alpha block on control and stimulus trials were observed, which showed that some information transfer had occurred. In contrast, this person's expressed statements of when the stimulus occurred were no different than that which would be expected by chance. The researches were unable to identify the physical parameters by which the EEG effect was mediated.....


Another series of experiments in the early 1970s focused on psychokinesis, which concerns how human consciousness may influence the behavior of external physical systems. In these studies, the support came from NASA on a contract administered by JPL. They involved building an electronic apparatus that would randomize images presented to an individual, who was asked to predict them in advance. By coupling the randomizer with encouraging feedback and reinforcement for successful predictions, the system was intended to measure how individuals develop their clairvoyance or other telepathic powers.... entire article....

Much of the funding for early SRI studies came from the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

Scroll down to Institute of Noetic Sciences at following link....and then down to Stanford Research Institute.


I think that a point that needs to be emphasized is that there may be a cross-pollination between The Family and groups like the Institute of Noetic Sciences - and perhaps even some neo-Nazi groups given Vereide's history. As I have pointed out previously, moreover, Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater ( now known as "Xe") is reportedly a very good friend of Chuck Colson and funds his prison fellowship through his Freiheit Foundation.


Paul N. Temple, co-founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences with astronaut Edgar Mitchell, used to occasionally allow Chuck Colson and Colson's wife use his villa in Spain when they went on vacation.

Not that there is anything wrong with Prince's or temple's generosity in and of itself.

But it does hint that that they - and Colson - were both more than mere passing acquaintances, doesn't it?

Susanna said...


Thanks for the corrected link.

Levenda's work looks quite interesting, impressive and informative as well. I am going to check into the work of BOTH Farrell and Levenda.

In fact, that whole Project Camelot site is something I am going to investigate.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...


Thanks for the valuable update on Harman. Your insight has helped put together the severly fractured pieces of the puzzle. Through work like yours, the type displayed in the Herescope article, as well as Constance's, we are begining to see this apostasy for what it is. A purposefull destruction by the likes of Temple, the family, Graham, Vereide, and others that has been in play for a long time. Woe unto them indeed!

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

From WND

Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists'
Bill empowers attorney general to forbid firearms for those 'suspected dangerous'

A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security memos labeling everyday Americans as potential "threats," could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others – any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential "extremism."

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, which permits the attorney general to deny transfer of a firearm to any "known or suspected dangerous terrorist." The bill requires only that the potential firearm transferee is "appropriately suspected" of preparing for a terrorist act and that the attorney general "has a reasonable belief" that the gun might be used in connection with terrorism.

Gun rights advocates, however, object to the bill's language, arguing that it enables the federal government to suspend a person's Second Amendment rights without any trial or legal proof and only upon suspicion of being "dangerous

Anonymous said...

Based on some of the names found when researching Farrell and, it may be another case of separating the wheat from the chaff. Proceed with caution.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

I think some one already posted something along this line, however this has video attatched, so I am adding.

Pope denounces religous manipulation.

Pope Benedict XVI has denounced what he called ‘religious manipulation’ as he attempted to build bridges with the Muslim world on his tour of the Holy Land. The Pontiff’s trip has been overshadowed by his 2006 speech seen by some as linking Islam to violence. However, during a visit to a mosque, Benedict was thanked for his recent expressions of respect for Muslims.

“I must also thank you, Holiness, for the regret you expressed after the Regensburg lecture of September 13, 2006, for the hurt caused by this lecture to Muslims,” said Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal, senior religious adviser to King Abdullah.

The Pope then tried to strike a note of harmony, highlighting the shared vision of Christianity and Islam. And he warned against the perils of religious misunderstanding.

“Certainly, the tensions and divisions between the followers of different religions, sadly, cannot be denied,” he said. “However, is it not also the case that, often, it is the ideological manipulation of religion, sometimes for political ends, that is the real catalyst for tension and division, at times even violence, in society?”

The Pope has one more full day in Jordan before the most delicate part of his trip – to Israel and the Palestinian Territories. He will visit a refugee camp within view of Israel’s wall sealing off the West Bank, and his every word will come under intense scrutiny from all sides.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Challenges and Prospects for the EU’s Area of Freedom, Security and Justice: Recommendations to the European Commission for the Stockholm Programme

This is a Centre for Eurpean Policy Studies paper that looks at everything from borders, integration, assylum, SIS2, and many other developing issues. It attempts to tackle the upcoming presidency change in the EU, and how EU policy should proceed.

Anonymous said...

Susanna, peacebringer7
and anyone else that may be of help.
You mentioned the MK-Ultra program, Project Paperclip, Nazi Scientist, Walt Disney.... all of which have common threads. I only recently (over the past year) through some very unusual circumstances have been made familiar to these subjects and families connection to these matters. My head is swimming over it all and I am still in a state of shock as things continue to unfold and be made known. I have been eager to find the origin of an image of a young girl that was said to be a victim of the MK-Ultra program. I am supposing that the image was at one time published in a book upon the subject and later down loaded on the internet. It is very important to me to find the earliest copy/image published and perhaps I will then be able to find its origin. My life has been turned upside down this past year as life does seem to be stranger than fiction. Constance, I am dizzied--even sickened over the magnitude of it all....along with the many, many, many connecting parts. I am so grateful that our God is so great--who is forever- sovereignly ruling over all...and all the awful, reprobate plans of men are but nonsense and foolishness to Him. While He is in control, we do still have the responsibility and privilege to fight in the strength that He supplies. On a very personal note, I would greatly appreciate ANY leads to the origin of the image that I am linking to here.

IF ANYONE has seen this published in a book or know anything about this image...please contact me here.
Constance, you have no idea how far reaching your work here has been. Understanding my past has its beginnings right here. God bless you in all you do along with your many friends that are coming along side you in this great work.

Anonymous said...

J-C I learned of MK Ultra basically to a link I think from here someone provided to this site

I am a mental health professional so learning about these things interests me. What I have seen is disturbing, yet also see some folks like this site: as well as icke's site
essentially at some level blame jews and christians

there are also infamous folks who claimed to be Monarchs but later debunked at some level, so they have made it real difficult to sort out what the real truth is.

Your tiny url is a dead link FYI. And when you start looking into Mind Control, it gets real hard to figure in general fact from fiction. Truth from distortion. Truth from manipulation (including alien stuff.) Certainly would be interested in more of what you have gone through.

Anonymous said...


The above is the longer URL... I did try the tinyURL again in it did work for me. Try again and let me know if it works the next time... otherwise cut and paste each segment. If you search MKULTRA under google image you will see it on a number of such sites that you are talking about. I too have found a lot of disinformation out there regarding this subject and it is clear just why... when one begins to understand how our own government (CIA) was involved with it all. I am still sorting through things. As you know, these things do not fit into the common boxes the world is so familiar with. Bottom line, my earlier request would validate so many things. Right's all here say. I am not interested in the sensationalism of this subject. I just want to be able to stand up to this man and say "I know that you know, and I want you to know that-- I know. This world-- for the greatest majority will never accept the awful atrocities that our own government has committed and are still committing. But one fine day, all that is hidden will be revealed.
We must be careful who we talk to. It's very difficult to know who one can trust. I am just thankful that I can have some measure of safety here behind Constance's skirt.


Anonymous said...

weird the tiny url worked in firefox but not microsoft. Bizarre.
That picture rends my heart and feel overwhelming pain. I pray that God touches her heart. Clearly you have some personal concerns about the picture. Feel free to drop me an email j-c if you care to share thoughts in private. I don't know where images come from, perhaps multijudy or others may, I pray God leads you to what He needs to show you.

Anonymous said...

J-C I also get what your saying with caution. Check me out in terms of blog, forum, what I say. At any rate, may God guide your steps and path.

Anonymous said...

Lizards, aliens, etc;'s called DISINFORMATION so as to Dis inform you so as to make the truth look like a rediculous subject that only a fool would dare talk about.
And unfortunately, it works very well.

Anonymous said...

Thank you- I will look into that. For now- It's late. Have a blessed Sabbath

Anonymous said...

Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar D. Mitchell, the sixth man ever to walk on the moon, has a message for all citizens of Earth: We are not alone.

"We are being visited," the 79-year-old grandfatherly "spacefarer" told 100 or so UFOlogists gathered at a National Press Club conference called by the Paradigm Research Group (motto: "It's not about lights in the sky; it's about lies on the ground").

"It is now time to put away this embargo of truth about the alien presence," said the astronaut who made the longest moonwalk in history. "I call upon our government to open up ... and become a part of this planetary community that is now trying to take our proper role as a spacefaring civilization."

Joyce said...

It looks like Crans Montana forum this year is focusing on the Middle East and Africa, and Obama will be honored there:

Obama is also going to speak in Egypt:

Heinrich Eliyahu Benedikt and Ervin Laszlo will be in attendance at CMF too.


Anonymous said...

To Peacebringer7: Yes. Truth is stranger than fiction. Most people are blissfully unaware that putting their children in government schools is also part of the program to manipulate the population and control the masses. Having learned from employees lying to parents to convince them to allow their children to be in so-called gifted programs. Those programs made up of specialized books and materials that are written to manipulate and brainwash (Philosophy For Children and Jr. Great Books are two examples). Classes conducted by teachers who are trained facilitators and train the children to engage in DIAPRAX. Children told to lie down and imagine a light traveling around their bodies. These and even worse examples are reported by knowledgeable parents around the country but the masses continue to support and fund the government schools. Teachers like John Taylor Gatto expose the schools but the masses ignore him. Charlotte Iserbyt writes tomes exposing the deceivers but the masses ignore the facts. What an enormous evil...the hugely powerful teachers' union and all the hundreds of thousands of people who are employed in government schools who support those schools because they derive their income from them. And taxpayers are bled dry paying for indoctrination.

Anonymous said...

peacebringer7 said...
"That picture rends my heart and feel overwhelming pain. I pray that God touches her heart."
If she is who I think she is....which I am 99.9% sure that she is, I am very glad to report that God has indeed touched her heart in an eternal saving way though not till she was nearly thirty. If the phrase "pay it forward" could be redeemed to mean something else, I would give it the greatest value in meaning that your prayer was answered from before the foundations of the earth were laid. What an awsome amazing God we serve. I pray that we all have a very blessed sabbath.

Anonymous 622 AM- It is refreshing to hear a sensible voice on the subject. I would be interested in knowing what led you to looking into the matter in general.


björn said...

thanks Joyce!!
Crans Montana Forum
I see besides Heinrich Eljah Benedikt and Ervin Laszlo they have also Erdogan, EU foreign commissioner Ferrero Waldner, Marc Otte (Eu repr. to middle east), de Hoop Scheefer from NATO, OSCE GS Perrin and other illustrios guests gathering at some of their nights in restricted gatherings called the "Night Owl"...

Constance Cumbey said...


Here is more critical historical background on the Sufi influence and role as well as interfaces between Sufism, Theosophy, and deMadariaga (Solana):

Work in the West
Inayat Khan travelled and taught in the United States, England, Russia and Europe, for sixteen years. He began his work by trying to get “accustomed to the people, to the atmosphere, and to the country … studying … the Western mind, the mentality of the Occidental people, their attitude towards life, religion and God.” Inayat Khan made much effort to get to know his very different new environment. He saw himself as “Transported by destiny from the world of lyric and poetry to the world of industry and commerce … the land of my future.”[vii]
From 1910 until 1912, Inayat Khan gave concerts of Indian music and talks on Sufism in major American cities, though at first it was a struggle to find work and opportunities.
 In 1912 Inayat Khan and his brothers left the United States for England. There he gave concerts and lectures and made contact with artists, musicians and many of the minor aristocracy. The brothers spent some time in London and Paris before accepting an invitation to visit Russia in 1913. With the outbreak of World War 1, Inayat Khan and his family returned from Russia to London. He formed groups of mureeds and gave lectures throughout England and Wales, often at the invitation of the Theosophical Society. The Sufi Publishing Society was started, and the quarterly magazine, ‘The Sufi,’ began. Inayat Khan’s first book, A Sufi Message of Spiritual Liberty, was published in 1914. 
Inayat Khan’s work went ahead after the war, especially in Europe, where he reached many of the cultural and social elite “such as Debussy, Scriabine, Maria Montessori, d'Annunzio, Paderewski, Count Tolstoi Jr., Salvador de Madariaga.” Much of his later following was recruited from the European gentry and aristocracy of the period. By 1923 Inayat Khan had established Sufi Societies in many of the major cities of Europe.
The annual Sufi Summer School, which is still held today, first took place in 1920 in Wissous, near Paris, where it lasted for several weeks. Following this, the Summer School was held for three months each year in the grounds of the family home at Suresnes, except for 1922 when it was held at Katwijk, in Holland. On this site, in the sand dunes at Katwijk on the North Sea, Inayat Khan had undergone a profound spiritual experience, and blessed the place, calling it Murad Hassil (fulfilled wish). Each year more people came, and by 1923 more land was bought, a lecture hall built, and a house purchased to provide accommodation and food for the mureeds from Europe and the United States.
The Summer Schools were opportunities for training in the Sufi path, providing an extended time when mureeds could be in the presence of their Murshid, on a daily basis. During the Summer Schools, Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan held classes for mureeds, gave public lectures, and was available to see mureeds and others in private. Shaikh Al-Mashaik Mahmood Khan, a nephew of Inayat Khan, recalls how Inayat Khan and his brothers performed morning practices for at least two hours, and then, in the afternoon, walking meditation. An important part of the training at the Summer Schools was group ‘silences,’ in which mureeds could attune to, and reflect, the deeper consciousness of their spiritual master. The Summer Schools also included Universal Worship services, musical concerts and a festive gathering for Viladat Day on 5 July, the birthday of Inayat Khan.
After Inayat Khan’s death, the summer school continued for many years to be held at Suresnes, first conducted by Shaikh-al-Mashaikh Maheboob Khan, Hazrat Inayat Khan’s brother, who read his addresses, held silences and gave lectures. The location was important, as Inayat Khan’s presence had blessed the place and could be felt as an inspiration and healing for mureeds and visitors. When this site became unavailable, acquiring the land blessed by Inayat Khan at Katwijk then became a priority, and the main Sufi Temple was eventually built on this site.
Except for the three months of the Summer School, Inayat Khan spent the years from 1920 to 1926 travelling in Germany, Holland, England, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, Belgium and Switzerland, establishing and building up Sufi Societies. In 1923 and 1925 Inayat Khan travelled again to America, visiting the various Sufi Societies to initiate and train mureeds, as well as giving public lectures. By the spring of 1925, these years of continual travel and exertion, teaching and organisation had affected Inayat Khan’s health, though the Summer School was held as usual. In 1926 Inayat Khan’s final Summer School concluded on September 13, the anniversary of his
departure from India for the West, and still celebrated by mureeds as Hijirah Day.
Hazrat Inayat Khan was an Indian Sufi master who founded an order and trained a circle of disciples, and a multidimensional figure – musician, sage and visionary - one of those beings who emerge periodically to shape and reshape a sacred landscape.
 Jervis, J. 1998. 'The Sufi Order in the West and Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan: Space-Age Spirituality in Contemporary Euro-America' in Clarke, P.B. (ed.) New Trends and Developments in the World of Islam. London: Luzac Oriental, 213.
 Khan, I. 1967. The Vision of God and Man. London: Barrie and Jenkins, 146.
Van Beek, W. 1983. Hazrat Inayat Khan: Master of life, modern Sufi mystic. New York: Vantage Press, 56.

Khan, I. 1967. The Vision of God and Man. London: Barrie and Jenkins., 149.

Block, R.M. 1915. The Confessions of Inayat Khan. London: The Sufi Publishing Society.

Inayat Khan, in Van Voorst van Beest, M. and Guillaume-Schamhart, E. 1979. 'Biography of Pir-o-Murshid
 Inayat Khan'. London: East-West Publications, 182-183.
Ibid., 121-129.

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Joyce said...

Yes, I know you've followed this forum closely..

One of the attendees of the conference is EU rep on Mideast peace process. Here's an old article about his position:

Not very good news for Israel. My guess is the compromise will be an internationalized Jerusalem with UN banner, as per the Theosophists..


Joyce said...

I posted a lot of sufi info a few blogs back. Don't know if you saw it, but very interesting how much of this is being brought into US.

I'll see if I can dig up my previous posts.


Joyce said...

Just saw your post a few blogs back about God's faithfulness to Israel, and I just want to say, Amen to you. This is the ultimate proof of God's grace. Israel who committed spiritual adultery, is restored because God promises to do this. This should humble all of us, and prove that none of us are worthy of His grace, that's what makes it grace..

The physical restoration of the State of Israel was done by many secular Zionists, but that does not preclude the sovereignty of God to accomplish His plan..That's just part one. Ezekiel 37 speaks of physical restoration, spiritual restoration and then reconciliation in the family and the covenant of shalom ( wholeness).

I love Deut 28-30 because it is so accurate.. People call it "old" but I call it very current.. Some has already happened and some is in the process of being accomplished:

Deut. 30:1-7 “So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind in all nations where the LORD your God has banished you, and you return to the LORD your God and obey Him with all your heart and soul according to all that I command you today, you and your sons, then the LORD your God will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has cscattered you. “If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. “The LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. “Moreover athe LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. “The LORD your God will inflict all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecuted you.

The circumcision of the mind ( leb in Hebrew) is when the Torah will be put on our minds through the Spirit of the Living God, through faith in Yeshua. Salvation is of God ( the meaning of the name Yeshua literally in the Hebrew)..

Scripture repeats this renewal of the covenant over and over again in Ezekiel in Isaiah in Zechariah in Jeremiah and in Hebrews, etc. One can only miss it if their heart and mind is closed and they want to miss it. What should comfort us is that God is faithful to accomplish His Word. It blows me away when people like "51 Reasons to Say No to Global Gov't" and many others refuse to acknowledge this. It is as though, they believe that they are worthy of salvation and Israel isn't..this is very bad theology. Worthiness has nothing to do with salvation. We receive Yeshua's righteousness by a complete act of His grace. This is what makes it good's not our worthiness that saves us, but God's incredible grace and mercy. That grace and mercy should produce obedience, but we don't save ourselves. The Exodus story illustrates this beautifully. God takes us when we were enslaved to sin, and by His strong right hand delivers us..

Yeshua's righteousness is what we are given as a "new identity" , so like in Exodus, salvation comes from the blood of the Lamb...the Wilderness is where we learn to "listen to His voice"..

FYI, that was the Apr1 blog, 6:33pm that I am responding to.

Susanna said...

Dear J-C 11:38 P.M.

I have run a search on the picture of the young girl you posted who was allegedly a victim of MK-ULTRA brainwashing(a.k.a. "depatterning")experiments, and so far, this is the best that I have been able to do with regard to helping you to identify the young girl.

I hope you find it helpful.

....Army doctors were actively involved in LSD testing at least until the late 1970’s. Subjects of LSD experiments included children as young as five years old, and brain electrodes were implanted in children as young as 11 years of age.

Four of the CIA’s MKULTRA Subprojects were on children.

The mind control doctors included presidents of the American Psychiatric Association and psychiatrists who received full-page obituaries in the American Journal of Psychiatry.

Responsibility for the unethical experimentation lies first with the individual doctors, but also collectively with the medical profession, and with academia as a whole. BB 21

The MKULTRA contractor about whom the most has been written is Dr. Ewen Cameron.

At various times, Dr. Cameron was President of the American, Canadian, and World Psychiatric Associations.

He was one of four co-founders of the World Psychiatric Association.

Dr. Cameron began conducting unethical, unscientific, and inhumane brainwashing experiments in the 1930’s.

Schizophrenic patients were forced to lie naked in red light for eight hours a day for periods as long as eight months. Another experiment involved overheating patients in an electric cage until their body temperatures reached 102degrees. BB 125-128

From January 1957 until September 1960, Dr. Cameron’s project received $64,242.44 in CIA funds. [36] When the CIA stopped funding him, Cameron received $57,750 from the Canadian government to continue his research from 1961 to 1964. [37] The actual number of patients on whom Cameron tried varieties of his experimental techniques is reported as 332. [38] NB 52, 53

Linda MacDonald was a victim of Dr. Ewen Cameron’s unethical, destructive mind control experiments in 1963. Dr. Cameron used a “treatment” which involved intensive application of three brainwashing techniques; drug disinhibition, prolonged sleep, and prolonged psychological isolation. These were combined with ECT [Electro Convulsive Therapy] treatments. [39][40][41] The amount of electricity introduced into Linda’s brain exceeded by 76.5 times the maximum amount recommended in the ECT Guidelines of the American Psychiatric Association. Dr. Cameron’s “depatterning” technique resulted in permanent and complete amnesia. Dr. Cameron proved that doctors skilled in the right procedures can erase a subject’s memory. To this day, Linda MacDonald is unable to remember anything from her birth to 1963. As recorded by nurses in her chart, Linda was completely disoriented. She didn’t know her name, age or where she was. She didn’t recognize her children. She couldn’t read, drive, cook, or use a toilet. Not only did she not know her husband, she didn’t even know what a husband was. BB 181-183

Life changed for Linda when the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation program, The Fifth Estate, aired a segment on Dr. Cameron on January 17, 1984. A Vancouver newspaper ran a full-page story on Robert Loggie, a Vancouver man who had been experimented on by Dr. Cameron. Loggie was a plaintiff in the class action suit against the CIA for Dr. Cameron’s MKULTRA experiments, which was settled out of court for $750,000, divided among the eight plaintiffs in 1988. [42] Eventually Linda got $100,000 plus legal fees from the Canadian government. BB 187, 188.........

Just about all the accounts of the dark history of the MK-ULTRA nightmare have determined that the main culprit in the unspeakably vicious and brutal treatment of those who were used as guinea pigs was Dr. D. Ewan Cameron. As the above article indicates, Cameron reportedly began his experiments during the 1930's - about the same time the Nazis were conducting their own criminal experiments.


.....Cameron lived and worked in Albany, New York, and was involved in experiments in Canada for Project MKULTRA, a United States based CIA-directed mind control program which eventually led to the publication of the KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation manual.

Cameron was the author of the psychic driving concept which the CIA found particularly interesting. In it he described his theory on correcting madness, which consisted of erasing existing memories and rebuilding the psyche completely. After being recruited by the CIA, he commuted to Montreal every week to work at the Allan Memorial Institute of the McGill University, and was paid $69,000 from 1957 to 1964 to carry out MKULTRA experiments there. The CIA appears to have given him the potentially deadly experiments to carry out, as they would be tried on non-US citizens. However, documents released in 1977 revealed that thousands of unwitting, as well as voluntary subjects, were tested on during that time period. These included United States citizens.[citation needed]

In addition to LSD, Cameron also experimented with various paralytic drugs, as well as electroconvulsive therapy at 30 to 40 times the normal power. His "driving" experiments consisted of putting subjects into drug-induced coma for months on end (up to three in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple repetitive statements. His experiments were typically carried out on patients who had entered the institute for minor problems such as anxiety disorders and post-partum depression, many of whom suffered permanently from his actions. His work in this field was inspired and paralleled by the British psychiatrist Dr William Sargant who carried out virtually identical experiments at St Thomas' Hospital, London and Belmont Hospital, Surrey, also without his patients' consent.

It was during this era that Cameron became known worldwide, serving as the second President of the World Psychiatric Association, as well as president of the American and Canadian psychiatric associations. He was also a member of the Nuremberg medical tribunal a decade earlier, where he accused German medics of things he himself did between 1934–60 or later, though his scientific work during World War II for the OSS has never been a secret... entire article...

October 17, 2004




paul said...

I've mentioned this group before, because
they have been conducting "Sensitivity Training"
in my home town of Bethel Maine for over forty
The group was called National Training Labs
(NTL) and they were brainwashing people
in five person groups all that time.
The reason I bring it up now is because
I thought I recognized the Dr Caeron name
so I just Googled "Dr Ewan Cameron Tavistock Institute" and voila !

Anonymous said...

To the 6:22 anonymous: You are living in a world of make-believe. You are overly paranoid over fictional ideas in your head. Government controlled schools? Every public school in the U.S.? Hahhahahahah!

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Anon 7;30,

Before you begin to deflect on others, you may want to ask yourself. Is the curriculum in any public school mandated at the state level? Are false ideals and teachings taught as absolute truths in said schools(darwinism, creative spelling among other things)? Last I heard every religion short of Judeo-christian ones were open for discussion in a public school, including some where you can actually take courses on other religions. Maybe you should take a harder look at what is actually taught in a public school prior to calling someone else crazy.

Susanna said...

To All:


Sufism is an umbrella term for the ascetic and mystical movements within Islam.

The introduction of heretical gnostic elements (by Islamic standards) into Sufism is what caused it to face increasingly growing opposition from orthodox clerics.

Just for the record,in 1909, Rene Guenon - who, along with Ananda Coomaraswamy and Frithjof Schuon is regarded as one of the three founders of the syncretistic gnostic philosophy called Perennialism - was consecrated a "bishop" in the Alexandrian branch of the neo-Cathar gnostic church founded by Jules Doinel.

Doinel founded his church on the basis of revelations made to him by a dead 12th-century Cathar bishop when he attended seances at the home of Lady Caithness who led the French branch of H.P. Blavatsky's Theosophical Society

Papus also functioned as a "bishop" in another branch of Doinel's gnostic church, which, along with several other gnostic churches was eventually consolidated by Jean Bricaud into one umbrella gnostic church which became the ecclesiastical arm of the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.).

Guenon also wrote articles for Regnabit - the propaganda arm of an organization called the Hieron du Val d'Or which was co-founded by a Spanish nobleman of questionable Catholic orthodoxy named Baron Alexis de Sarachaga.

The Hieron du Val d'Or became a center for the so-called "Traditionalst school,"and peddled the Perennialist philosophy disguised in the terms and symbols of traditional Roman Catholic devotions.(i.e. "esoteric Christianity")to unwary pilgrims who visited Paray-le-Monial.

In 1930, Guenon left Paris and went to Cairo, Egypt. While there, he met Sheikh Salama Hassan ar-radi Founder of Hamidiya Shadhiliya sufi order, joined the Order and accompanied Shiekh Salama ar-radi till the Sheikh died on 1938.

.."He then met Sheikh Mohammad Ibrahim whose daughter he married in 1934. From this marriage, he had four children, the last (Abdel Wahed) being born in 1951. In Egypt, René Guénon carried on an austere and simple life, entirely dedicated to his writings and spiritual life.[15] In 1949, he obtained Egyptian nationality.
Urged by some of his collaborators, he gave his agreement to the creation in France of a Masonic lodge of traditional nature, whose name La Grande triade ("The Great Triad") comes from the title of one of his books. The first founders of the lodge, however, separated a few years after its inception.[16] This lodge, belonging to the Grande Loge de France, is still active.

He died on January 7, 1951, after having said "Allah" as his last word."...

Now why would this be important???

Because Rene Guenon was one whose works significantly influenced Savitri Devi, a.k.a. "Hitler's Priestess!"

Both Guenon and Savitri Devi also influenced Miguel Serrano, one of the architects of "esoteric Hitlerism/Nazism."

This shouldn't surprise us since Rene Guenon was an associate of the Nazi-friendly Italian fascist, Julius Evola who also influenced Savitri Devi.

Savitri Devi(like Julius Evola) traces the ancient Aryan cosmology to the Arctic, to Hyperborea of Thule in a line of descent from the Thule Society to National Socialism....

Regarding rene Guenon.....

..."Savitri's admiration for Guénon is especially evident in her Souveniers et réflexions d'une Aryenne (written between 1968 and 1971), in which she quotes approvingly from five of Guénon's books, as well as from Evola's Chevaucher le tigre."

"Guénonian Traditionalism has been one of the main influences on Sufism in the West. It was established by René Guénon, a French philosopher who at one point worked within the context of the Catholic Institute in Paris, but in 1930 left Paris for Cairo where he died some twenty years later, cited as a model of Muslim and Sufi piety by no less an authority than Abd al-Halim Mahmud, then rector of the Azhar and so the preeminent religious authority in Sunni Islam. Mahmud, however, had not read Guénon's books, and failed to appreciate the true nature of Guénon's Traditionalism. This derived ultimately from Perennialism, a religious and philosophical school established in Florence during the Renaissance. Renaissance Perennialism held that all the world's religions were expressions of a single original "perennial" religion, since lost to humanity. This hypothetical "perennial" religion is the "tradition" referred to in the title "Traditionalism."

Constance Cumbey said...

I am watching now a History Channel program on ANGELS AND DEMONS -- it appears to be an attack on Christianity. I rather suspect some Protestants might cheer thinking the Catholics are getting a comeuppance. I remind all that this happened in Mexico from 1926 to 1935 when Christianity, starting with the Catholics, was banned from Mexico unless they would let the state define the perimeters of religion. Protestants sat back and then, surprise, surprise, the same laws were applied against them. We'd better keep an eye on this one. I suspect the war against Christianity, the fifth seal of Revelation might be ready to burst into full bloom.


Susanna said...


I am so very glad you found the data on Harman helpful in piecing together the "power puzzle" for our time.

As I have suggested before, the New Age Movement, Communism, neo-Nazism, The Family and the even so-called Catholic "Traditionalist" movement did not just pop up onto the world stage out of a vacuum.

They have a history.

Whether we are looking at the prelude to what the late Father Vincent Miceli referred to as another "mini-Antichrist," or the prelude to THE Antichrist, it always behoves us to watch and pray as Our Lord advises us to do in the Sacred Scriptures. Matt 26:41

Anonymous said...


The New Age spin masters want Christians to rise up so they can prove just how violent we are.

The moviemakers of Angels and Demons, were trying to pick a fight, hoping for a backlash from the Catholic Church. Thinking they would ban, boycott, or burn them at the stake. In a smart PR move the Vatican newspaper called "Angels and Demons" harmless entertainment, with spectacular visuals. That posed no threat to them. They did add that the characters were sterotyped and badly crafted.

They beat the moviemakers at their own game.


Anonymous said...

Susanna, I have been digesting the information you have realated here for the past year and while the image is often included on their sites or on YOUTUBE videos, I have yet to see one person give reference to where they obtained the image. I cannot afford to purchase all the books published these past thirty plus years in search of the one book that may contain this image, so I am hoping that someone with just said book would would come forward to help me in finding the image's origin.
I did purchase one book that did contain the image on the cover of their book, (only recently published) but it seemed to be copied from an image obtained on-line (copy of a copy of a copy) and the book gives no reference to where they got the image. He uses the image a number of times....a lot (probably for it's shock value) but I have yet to hear a response from him.
Thank you for the links...I will look over to see what I have not already seen which probably is not much.
IF ANYONE has seen (link below) this published in a book or know anything about this image...I would greatly appreciate the help.


Susanna said...


That was a very interesting article - especially where it reads:

...Today the Tavistock Institute operates a $6 Billion a year network of Foundations in the U.S., all of it funded by U.S. taxpayers' money. Ten major institutions are under its direct control, with 400 subsidiaries, and 3000 other study groups and think tanks which originate many types of programs to increase the control of the World Order over the American people. The Stanford Research Institute, adjoining the Hoover Institution, is a $150 million a year operation with 3300 employees. It carries on program surveillance for Bechtel, Kaiser, and 400 other companies, and extensive intelligence operations for the CIA. It is the largest institution on the West Coast promoting mind control and the behavioral sciences.

One of the key agencies as a conduit for secret instructions from Tavistock is the Ditchley Foundation, founded in 1957. The American branch of the Ditchley Foundation is run by Cyrus Vance, former Secretary of State, and director of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Winston Lord, president of the Council on Foreign Relations.

[Editor, Tim Aho's note: The wife of Winston Lord (CFR, Bilderberg, Skull & Bones), Bette Bao Lord (CFR, Bilderberg), is Chairman of the Board of Freedom House whose manipulation of the Christian Right via the Religious Persecution issue is documented in our report>Freedom House: A CFR Front.

One of the principal but little known operations of the Rockefeller Foundation has been its techniques for controlling world agriculture. Its director, Kenneth Wernimont, set up Rockefeller controlled agricultural programs throughout Mexico and Latin America. The independent farmer is a great threat to the World Order, because he produces for himself, and because his produce can be converted into capital, which gives him independence. In Soviet Russia, the Bolsheviks believed they had attained total control over the people; they were dismayed to find their plans threatened by the stubborn independence of the small farmers, the Kulaks....


Much of the funding for early Stanford Research Institute studies came from the Institute of Noetic Sciences.


And I have already posted a litany of "mind science" experiments conducted by the Kaiser Wilhelm Society ( now the Max Planck Society)which also has ties to the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

But in addition to mind control, there is yet another technology in the wind related to controling agriculture (and people) - something that was thought to have died down - something I regard as downright EVIL! It is called


While most of us don’t bother to reflect on where the corn in the box of Kellogg’s Corn Flakes or the rice in a box of Uncle Ben’s Converted Rice come from, when we grab it from the supermarket shelf, they all must originate with seeds. Seeds can either be taken by a farmer from the previous season’ seeds, and planted to produce the next harvest. Or, seeds can be bought new each harvest season, from the companies which sell their seeds.

The advent of commercial GMO seeds in the early 1990’s allowed companies like Monsanto, DuPont or Dow Chemicals to go from supplying agriculture chemical herbicides like Roundup, to patenting genetically altered seeds for basic farm crops like corn, rice, soybeans or wheat. For almost a quarter century, since 1983, the US Government has quietly been working to perfect a genetically engineered technique whereby farmers would be forced to turn to their seed supplier each harvest to get new seeds. The seeds would only produce one harvest. After that the seeds from that harvest would commit ‘suicide’ and be unusable.

There has been much hue and cry, correctly so, that this process, patented ‘suicide’ seeds, officially termed GURTs (Genetic Use Restriction Technologies), is a threat to poor farmers in developing countries like India or Brazil, who traditionally save their own seeds for the next planting. In fact, GURTs, more popularly referred to as Terminator seeds for the brutal manner in which they kill off plant reproduction possibilities, is a threat to the food security as well of North America, Western Europe, Japan and anywhere Monsanto and its elite cartel of GMO agribusiness partners enters a market. entire article....


The Rockefeller Foundation has been involved in this controversy -as has DuPont.

In October 1999 following a worldwide storm of protest against Terminator seeds that threatened the very future of the Rockefeller Foundation’s ‘Gene Revolution’ Dr. Gordon Conway, President of the prestigious Rockefeller Foundation, met privately with the Board of Directors of Monsanto.

Conway convinced Monsanto that for the long-term future of their GMO (gene modified organism) Project, they must go public to indicate to a worried world that it would not commercialize’ “Terminator” (i.e. seed begetting crops which cannot be used for seed the next year.

Development of the genetic revolution and genetic engineering as a research area had been the project of the Rockefeller Foundation over decades, along with researchers in the family’s Rockefeller University. The world was left with the (misleading) impression that Terminator was dead.

Reality was it was anything but dead. Seven years later, long after public outcry against Terminator technology had died down, Monsanto re-entered and bought Delta & Pine Land (which had cooperated with the US Secretary of Agriculture on the Terminator project since 1983) and its Terminator patents. The key scientific member of the Delta & Pine Land board since 1993 has been Dr. Nam-Hai Chua. Chua, 62, is also head of the Rockefeller University Plant Molecular Biology Laboratory in New York, and has been for over 25 years, the labs which are at the heart of the Rockefeller Foundation’s decades-long development, and spending of more than $100 millions of its own research grants to create their Gene Revolution.

Until 1995, Chua was also a scientific consultant to Monsanto Corporation, as well as to DuPont’s (like Rockefeller one of Fritz Springmeyer´s 13 illuminati bloodlines) Pioneer Hi-Bred International. Chua is at the heart of Rockefeller’s Gene Revolution. And, clearly, Delta & Pine Land and their research on Terminator have been in the center of that work.

Why do they do this to us?
Sound far-fetched? Go back to what then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger did in countries like Allende’s Chile to force a regime change to a ‘US-friendly’ Pinochet dictatorship by withholding USAID and private food exports to Chile. Kissinger dubbed it ‘food as a weapon.’ Terminator is merely the logical next step in food weapon technology.

As Kissinger said back in the 1970’s, ‘Control the oil and you can control entire Continents. Control food and you control people…’ more....

See also


The following is from MSNBC


LONGYEARBYEN, Norway - A "doomsday" seed vault built to protect millions of food crops from climate change, wars and natural disasters opened Tuesday deep within an Arctic mountain in the remote Norwegian archipelago of Svalbard.

"The Svalbard Global Seed Vault is our insurance policy," Norway's Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg told delegates at the opening ceremony. "It is the Noah's Ark for securing biological diversity for future generations." entire article

Anonymous said...

So Susanna, what has the Sufi movement to do what what is happening today? Does it have a number who ascribed to it. Sure it has a history, but we live in the present.

Susanna said...


I have looked at several sites where this photo is posted and have seen nothing to indicate the origin of the photo.

In almost all instances, however, credit is given to atasbawah, which appears to be a Malaysian site.

You could contact the webmaster at this e-mail address:

I found the e-mail address at this site.

I thought the part that might possibly be helpful is the claim that only "four of the CIA’s MKULTRA Subprojects were on children.

If I find anything else significant, I will certainly post it.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the e-mail and link.
The claim that
"only" four of the CIA’s MKULTRA subprojects were on children is indeed suspicious and revealing. Seems to me that they were only wanting to admit guilt to what they were not able to disprove. Then it became so evident that it was alarmingly necessary to vamp up a massive and compelling disinformation campaign to silence the multitude of other victims that began to come forward.
I am so sorry to have to admit the truth- that if these things had not affected me and my family so personally, I could have just as easily been like the majority of mankind that did not have time or concern to understand such things because "it did not effect them personally"...or so they (I)thought.

Susanna said...

Anonymous 10:51,

It is not the Sufi movement, per se,that necessarily has the potential to cause problems, but rather the pagan occult gnostic antinomian element that has infiltrated it.

Although it began as a move towards excessive Ibaadah, such practices were doomed to lead to corruption, since their basis did not come from authentic religious doctrines, but rather from exaggerated human emotions.

Sufism as an organised movement arose among pious Muslims as a reaction against the worldliness of the early Umayyad period (AD 661-750)4. The Sufis exploited the chaotic state of affairs that existed during the fifth and sixth centuries A.H. and invited people to follow their way, alleging that the remedy to this chaos was conformity to the guidance of their order's Sheikhs. Dar al-Hikmah was established during the reign of Khalifah Ma'moon, where he invited the scholars of the Romans and Greeks to meet with the Muslims and 'discuss' their respective positions. This provided the perfect breeding ground for the synthesis between Islam and Pagan theology, to produce the Sufism of the like of Ibn Arabi.

With the demise of the companions and their successors, the door became open for the distortion of Islamic principles. The enemies of Islam had already burrowed deep into the ranks of Muslims and rapidly caused Fitnah through their spreading of forged hadith and subsequently created new sects such as the Khawaarij and Mu'tazilah. Sufism gained its breeding ground during this period, whereby it gained its support from the Dynastic Rulers, who had deviated from Islam to the extent whereby magic was used as entertainment in their courts, even though magic is considered as Kufr in Islam.[7] During this period, Sufism developed its Shi'a flavour, indeed the roots of contemporary Sufism have been traced back to Shi'a origins (see later). Sufi ideology and thinking flourished during the times of the likes of Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Jalal Ad Din Rumi, and Imam Ghazali. Their translation of Greek philosophical works into Arabic during the third Islamic century left an indelible mark on many aspects of Sufism, resulting in Greek pantheism becoming an integral part of Sufi doctrine. Pagan practices such as Saint worshipping, the use of magic and holding venerance towards their Sheikh overtook the Orthodox practices of Islam and had little resemblance to the Islam left by the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam). By examining the mystic doctrines of Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism and other religions, it becomes clear how much closer Sufism is to the mystical aspects of these religions than it is orthodox Islam itself. In fact, Sufism is never characterised under "Islam" in any system of catalogue, but rather under 'Mysticism'. Sharda highlights these unsurprising similarities by stating that: "After the fall of Muslim orthodoxy from power at the centre of India for about a century, due to the invasion of Timur, the Sufi became free from the control of the Muslim orthodoxy and consorted with Hindu saints, who influenced them to an amazing extent. The Sufi adopted Monism and wifely devotion from the Vaishnava Vedantic school and Bhakti and Yogic practices from the Vaishnava Vedantic school. By that time, the popularity of the Vedantic pantheism among the Sufis had reached its zenith."

I have already mentioned gnostic "bishop" and Sufi convert Rene Guenon (1886 - 1951) on this thread.

There are also rumors that the heir to the British throne, Prince Charles, has been initiated into a Sufi order. That might be a little tricky if he becomes the King of England since the British Monarchs are also head of the Church of England.

As far as history is concerned, a failure to understand the past often results in a failure to understand the present.

In fact, it was the American philosopher and poet George Santayana who once said something to the effect that: "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

Joyce said...

Here was one of the links on Whirling Dervishes and the Interfaith Dialogue, which seems to be one of the ways sufism is being popularized:

To the person who asked Susanna about why it is relevant today, I will answer that it is being used to promote Interfaith agenda, including by Heinrich Eliyahu Benedikt who promotes it on Jerusalem Academy website. In the same way Kabbalah and Christian Mysticism is being promoted, sufism is being promoted.

Mysticism promotes experience over doctrine bypassing the mind.( although I know some who will deny this) . This is a neat trick to draw people in and open spiritual doors that allow for bonding between those who would otherwise disagree.


Len said...

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Column One: Obama's green light to attack Iran

May. 7, 2009

Arctic winds are blowing into Jerusalem from Washington these days. As Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's May 18 visit to Washington fast approaches, the Obama administration is ratcheting up its anti-Israel rhetoric and working feverishly to force Israel into a corner.

Using the annual AIPAC conference as a backdrop, this week the Obama administration launched its harshest onslaught against Israel to date. It began with media reports that National Security Adviser James Jones told a European foreign minister that the US is planning to build an anti-Israel coalition with the Arabs and Europe to compel Israel to surrender Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem to the Palestinians.

According to Haaretz, Jones was quoted in a classified foreign ministry cable as having told his European interlocutor, "The new administration will convince Israel to compromise on the Palestinian question. We will not push Israel under the wheels of a bus, but we will be more forceful toward Israel than we have been under Bush."

He then explained that the US, the EU and the moderate Arab states must determine together what "a satisfactory endgame solution," will be.

As far as Jones is concerned, Israel should be left out of those discussions and simply presented with a fait accompli that it will be compelled to accept.

Events this week showed that Jones's statement was an accurate depiction of the administration's policy. First, quartet mediator Tony Blair announced that within six weeks the US, EU, UN and Russia will unveil a new framework for establishing a Palestinian state. Speaking with Palestinian reporters on Wednesday, Blair said that this new framework will be a serious initiative because it "is being worked on at the highest level in the American administration."

Moreover, this week we learned that the administration is trying to get the Arabs themselves to write the Quartet's new plan. The London-based Al-Quds al-Arabi pan-Arab newspaper reported Tuesday that acting on behalf of Obama, Jordanian King Abdullah urged the Arab League to update the so-called Arab peace plan from 2002. That plan, which calls for Israel to withdraw from Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the Golan Heights and accept millions of foreign Arabs as citizens as part of the so-called "right of return" in exchange for "natural" relations with the Arab world, has been rejected by successive Israeli governments as a diplomatic subterfuge whose goal is Israel's destruction.

By accepting millions of so-called "Palestinian refugees," Israel would effectively cease to be a Jewish state. By shrinking into the 1949 armistice lines, Israel would be unable to defend itself against foreign invasion. And since "natural relations" is a meaningless term both in international legal discourse and in diplomatic discourse, Israel would have committed national suicide for nothing.

To make the plan less objectionable to Israel, Abdullah reportedly called on his Arab brethren to strike references to the so-called "Arab refugees" from the plan and to agree to "normal" rather than "natural" relations with the Jewish state. According to the report, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was expected to present Obama with the changes to the plan during their meeting in Washington later this month. The revised plan was supposed to form the basis for the new Quartet plan that Blair referred to.

But the Arabs would have none of it. On Wednesday, both Arab League General Secretary Amr Moussa and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas announced that they oppose the initiative. On Thursday, Syria rejected making any changes in the document.

The administration couldn't care less. The Palestinians and Arabs are no more than bit players in its Middle East policy. As far as the Obama administration is concerned, Israel is the only obstacle to peace.

To make certain that Israel understands this central point, Vice President Joseph Biden used his appearance at the AIPAC conference to drive it home. As Biden made clear, the US doesn't respect or support Israel's right as a sovereign state to determine its own policies for securing its national interests. In Biden's words, "Israel has to work toward a two-state solution. You're not going to like my saying this, but not build more settlements, dismantle existing outposts and allow the Palestinians freedom of movement."

FOR ISRAEL, the main event of the week was supposed to be President Shimon Peres's meeting with Obama on Tuesday. Peres was tasked with calming the waters ahead of Netanyahu's visit. It was hoped that he could introduce a more collegial tone to US-Israel relations.

What Israel didn't count on was the humiliating reception Peres received from Obama. By barring all media from covering the event, Obama transformed what was supposed to be a friendly visit with a respected and friendly head of state into a back-door encounter with an unwanted guest, who was shooed in and shooed out of the White House without a sound.

The Obama White House's bald attempt to force Israel to take full blame for the Arab world's hostility toward it is not the only way that it is casting Israel as the scapegoat for the region's ills. In their bid to open direct diplomatic ties with Iran, Obama and his advisers are also blaming Israel for Iran's nuclear program. They are doing this both indirectly and directly.

As Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel made clear in his closed-door briefing to senior AIPAC officials this week, the administration is holding Israel indirectly responsible for Iran's nuclear program. It does this by claiming that Israel's refusal to cede its land to the Palestinians is making it impossible for the Arab world to support preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Somewhat inconveniently for the administration, the Arabs themselves are rejecting this premise. This week US Defense Secretary Robert Gates visited the Persian Gulf and Egypt to soothe Arab fears that the administration's desperate attempts to appease the mullahs will harm their security interests. He also sought to gain their support for the administration's plan to unveil a new peace plan aimed at isolating and pressuring Israel.

After meeting with Gates, Amr Moussa - who has distinguished himself as one of Israel's most trenchant critics - said categorically, "The question of Iran should be separate from the Arab-Israel conflict."

Just as the administration is unmoved by objective facts that expose as folly its single-minded devotion to the notion that Israel is responsible for the absence of peace in the Middle East, so the Arab rejection of its view that Israel is to blame for Iran's nuclear program has simply driven it to escalate its attacks on Israel. This week it opened a new campaign of blaming Israel directly - through its purported nuclear arsenal - for Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Speaking at a UN forum, US Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller said, "Universal adherence to the [Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty] NPT itself, including by India, Israel, Pakistan and North Korea... remains a fundamental objective of the United States."

As Eli Lake from The Washington Times demonstrated convincingly, by speaking as she did, Gottemoeller effectively abrogated a 40-year-old US-Israeli understanding that the US would remain silent about Israel's nuclear program because it understood that it was defensive, not offensive in nature. In so doing, Gottemoeller legitimized Iran's claim that it cannot be expected to suspend its quest to acquire nuclear weapons as long as Israel possesses them. She also erased any distinction between nuclear weapons in the hands of US allies and democratic states and nuclear weapons in the hands of US enemies and terror states.

The Israeli media are largely framing the story of the US's growing and already unprecedented antagonism toward Israel as a diplomatic challenge for Netanyahu. To meet this challenge, it is argued that Netanyahu must come to Washington in 10 days' time with an attractive peace plan that will win over the White House. But this is a false interpretation of what is happening.

Even Ethan Bronner of the The New York Times pointed out this week that Obama's Middle East policy is not based on facts. If it were, the so-called "two state solution," which has failed repeatedly since 1993, would not be its centerpiece. Obama's Middle East policy is based on ideology, not reality. Consequently, it is immune to rational argument.

The fact that if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, all chance of peace between Israel and the Palestinians and Israel and the Arab world will disappear, is of no interest to Obama and his advisers. They do not care that the day after Hamas terror-master Khaled Mashaal told The New York Times that Hamas was suspending its attacks against Israel from Gaza, the Iranian-controlled terror regime took credit for several volleys of rockets shot against Israeli civilian targets from Gaza. The administration stills intends to give Gaza $900 million in US taxpayer funds, and it still demands that Israel give its land to a joint Fatah-Hamas government.

REGARDLESS OF the weight of Netanyahu's arguments, and irrespective of the reasonableness of whatever diplomatic initiative he presents to Obama, he can expect no sympathy or support from the White House.

As a consequence, the operational significance of the administration's anti-Israel positions is that Israel will not be well served by adopting a more accommodating posture toward the Palestinians and Iran. Indeed, perversely, what the Obama administration's treatment of Israel should be making clear to the Netanyahu government is that Israel should no longer take Washington's views into account as it makes its decisions about how to advance Israel's national security interests. This is particularly true with regard to Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Rationally speaking, the only way the Obama administration could reasonably expect to deter Israel from attacking Iran's nuclear installations would be if it could make the cost for Israel of attacking higher than the cost for Israel of not attacking. But what the behavior of the Obama administration is demonstrating is that there is no significant difference in the costs of the two options.

By blaming Israel for the absence of peace in the Middle East while ignoring the Palestinians' refusal to accept Israel's right to exist; by seeking to build an international coalition with Europe and the Arabs against Israel while glossing over the fact that at least the Arabs share Israel's concerns about Iran; by exposing Israel's nuclear arsenal and pressuring Israel to disarm while in the meantime courting the ayatollahs like an overeager bridegroom, the Obama administration is telling Israel that regardless of what it does, and what objective reality is, as far as the White House is concerned, Israel is to blame.

This, of course, doesn't mean that Netanyahu shouldn't make his case to Obama when they meet and to the American people during his US visit. What it does mean is that Netanyahu should have no expectation that Israeli goodwill can divert Obama from the course he has chosen. And again, this tells us two things: Israel's relations with the US during Obama's tenure in office will be unpleasant and difficult, and the damage that Israel will cause to that relationship by preventing Iran from acquiring the means to destroy it will be negligible.

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Anonymous said...

Anon 7:30 is very typical. Likely derives income from government schools. Or family members do. Some of the subjects written about on this thread were written about by Charlotte Iserbyt. That's why I posted. People who put their children in government schools do not want to be told that they are putting them in harm's way there. So they strongly refuse the truth. Our child was recruited for a gifted program in an Ohio government school, a very affluent school. She was about to be a fourth grader. When I asked if Values Clarification was involved the teacher lied to me and told me it was not. I was told this five-year-long pull-out class was academic enrichment. It was not. Books did not come home. It was in lieu of SOCIAL STUDIES. SOCIAL STUDIES is one of the prime areas used to brainwash children. For the five years our child was in the PACE program we were unaware of the purpose. We trusted. We believed liars. By the time our child was about to graduate from high school I was given the information that opened my eyes. I asked to see the books and materials used in the class (the ones never came home). I asked to see the teacher's manuals. They balked. I spent months demanding to see them before I was allowed. That really opened my eyes. I spent well over a decade getting educated about the sources, purposes, history, culprits, etc. I was sure others would want to know. I was wrong. Anon 7:30 is a perfect example. Ignorance is bliss. Most teachers are brainwashed themselves. Most are not the brightest to begin with. The schools they attend train them to dumb down and brainwash. The in-service meetings and summer institutes they attend fine tune their training to facilitate the programs the Feds. use to control the masses. The result of generations of Americans in government schools is before our eyes. The culture we live in is the result. The more dumbed down each generation is, the more money the govt. demands for their "schools". A sick joke. As for Federal problem proving that. All States are part of the Federal Outcome Based Education program. General Systems Theory rules. It is Systems Education. That's what OBE is. That's what Total Quality Management is. That's what Rick Warren's Purpose Driven effort is. It's all Systems Theory. LESS IS MORE is one of the important themes. Children are only taught what the Feds. want them to be taught. Brainwashing does not require that you be tied to a chair and tortured. It only requires that your knowledge be limited. You are fed certain bits of info, much of it dis-info. You base your values, beliefs and behaviors on those bits. OBE is about instilling attitudes, beliefs and behaviors. Benjamin Bloom and his cohorts wrote the books. Bloom, Krathwohl, Hilda Taba, etc. Taxomonies of the Cognitive, Affective and Psychomotor Domains. To know, do and be like. The government decides what you should know, do and be like, determines what curriculums will bring that about, installs the curriculums, and the teachers test, test, test to make sure each child is turning out the way the people who put it together desire. If children don't PERFORM and SHOW PROPER OUTCOMES then they are put through again until they do. Or the program is changed and the tests are changed to result in the desired OUTCOMES. I know that most people will refuse the truth. I am not surprised. Tavistock, Bethel Maine, psychologists and so forth are all involved in this subject. Spend some time at the web site of Lynn Stuter. Get Charlotte Iserbyt's books. Read what John Gatto wrote. Sam Blumenfeld. Anita Hoge. You dumbed down, brainwashedd people don't have to remain that way.

Anonymous said...

Ano 8:07 AM

Thank you so much for sharing your insight. I am only recently waking up to yet another aspect of the massive web of deceit that is all around us. I was raised in the San Francisco Bay Area, ran away to join the AF, married and settled down on the East coast where we eventually settled to raise a family that I felt compelled to home school our children, in part, (perhaps subconsciously) to protect them from a monster I could not explain, see or understand...but feared ever handing my children over and letting my precious children out of my site. I did a fair job of educating them, but give more credit to the friends that helped to supplement where I was so lacking. Not all schools are so affected as you say, but you have to pay (over and above taxes) to attend those that are not... and even those need to be scrutinized.
I suspect that the Montessori is highly suspect. If anyone thinks that our schools today are not run by our government are either- as you say- asleep or in denial.

Anonymous said...

And to think...that the children that are being educated today...will be the future bloggers...and so much more tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Montessori Schools. Maria Montessori. Yes. Big problem there. Research Maria and her associates. Steiner. Blavatsky. New Age. Our family has a history of association with a private country day school in our State. Spouse's father, spouse, and child attended. Bush ancestor one of founders. As the years went by it became worse and worse. Took our child out before eighth grade. They brought in an east coast man for head master who brought with him the radically liberal agenda. Now they have club for homosexuals and their supporters. Even though the academics are superior to the government schools, the mind-bending is in place there also. Our child who was victim of the PACE program homeschools her darlings. She knows the truth. Even Christian private schooling must be investigated for infiltration. A few people have done the work, wrote the books but most people are too lazy or cognitively dissonant to avail themselves. Government schools are sacred cows. And where would people stick their kids during the day if not for the government schools? Gotta have those sports activities too. That's why sports, bussing and so forth are used as threats to get voters to pass levies and taxes. The masses have NO IDEA about the machinations in your average government school. The union is so powerful. The politicians need that power to stay in power themselves. Just a big pack of deceivers.

joyce said...

Speaking of interfaith, I'm watching with great interest the Pope's visit to first Jordan where he went to a mosque, then he went to Mt. Nebo. The Jerusalem Post has a special section on the visit, so all who are interested can follow it:

It's like walking on land that has mines in it and trying not to hit any. He will go to Yad Vashem, but not in because he has no time.. He'll just visit the memorial. He will not call Israel Israel, but talk about the "unity of the two testaments" but probably avoid the subject about "conversion of Jews to Catholicism" which is what he really believes.. It's all kind of amusing since this is supposed to be a "personal visit" and not a "political one". As I said a few months back, it would be impossible for the pope to visit Israel and it not be political. Every move, every word is carefully calculated and the efforts at "interfaith dialogue" will be continually promoted.

At the same time, the Egyptian Brotherhood said Obama's visit will be a waste of time, and Syria has sanctions back on from US.

The incident of US hitting civilians last week in Afghanistan was reminiscent of the Bush era that everyone was so critical of: know, the mistakes that led to the CFR proclaiming a "Clash of Civilizations" which caused the UN to develop the "Alliance of Civilizations"

Obama has used the "surge" strategy that Bush employed in Iraq.

North Korea is upping the ante with their boldness about building a nuclear arsenal and doesn't think that US has changed its policy.

Netanyahu's visit to Washington, should be interesting. The EU has grown more hostile to Israel in recent weeks, so is it will be interesting to see if the US jump over to the side of the EU. There are very high expectations on Obama to produce this time. If the great guru of change doesn't produce. King of Jordan is predicting war in the near future:,7340,L-3713798,00.html

If Israel bows down to the worlds demands and gives up Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, not to mention letting the so-called refugees come back, the Arab world promises to recognize Israel. How much of Israel would actually be left? A tiny, indefensible strip of land with hostile neighbors on every side. The Arab nations have used the Palestinian people as pawns to turn attention from their own corrupt governments, and they could care less about them. If they really cared they would have done a lot more for them than they have with all their oil wealth and land.

The historical facts are quite different that what most of the world is led to believe. Most other "refugees" are absorbed by their host country after 60 years..but the Palestinian people and their children and grandchildren continue to be called refugees. There is no other refugee group in the world defined this way. It is truly a unique situation. If these so called refugees resided in the Land between 1946- 1948, they were considered eligible for refugee status. No one talks about where these folks originated from. Imagine if Jews claimed refugee status from all the lands they ever resided in and for their descendants. The UN would have quite a problem on their hands.

We won't talk about the apx. 1 million Jews evicted from Arab countries in '48. Why is it that they are not called refugees, and their children, and their grandchildren. I'm not saying Israel is perfect, but I want to point out the incredible injustice in the way that Israel has been treated in the situation. Here's a synopsis, not entirely unbiased, but worth reading:

and one other article:

The terms "occupied territory" instead of Biblical lands of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem make it appear as though Israel has stolen something that wasn't legitimately belonging to her in the first place. The promises of God are considered null and void by a world hostile to the God of the Bible. There is no talk of Jerusalem in the Quran, and only tradition states that Mohamed went up from their like Elijah. Amazing how all their stories sound so much like the Bible with just a little change of names.

All the archeological evidence that Israel was their for centuries prior to the people who come from the surrounding countries, and that these people had very little interest in the Land until Israel became a nation again in 1948. The Bible indicates that the aliens may dwell among Israel, and Israel should treat them well, but the problem is that the Land must be cleansed of the asheroth poles and baals.

The presence of a god who is worshipped, who is not the God of the Bible, contrary to popular belief, the god Allah, is completely at odds with the Biblical instructions. The battle is not so much one of flesh and blood, but one of spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly realms as the Apostle Paul said. This is why a political solution will never bear any fruit. Israel as a people must turn back to their God and cry out to Him to reveal Himself fully, and this will happen when they have no where else to turn.

American aid will dry up, their weapons will not be adequate, their military tactics will not suffice, only turning too the Living God will, as they did when they were oppressed by Pharaoh will do. Only when they realize who they are and that their God is salvation ( Yeshua) will His deliverance come.

The world is aiming for a political, spiritual solution that will never fly. Their is only one Prince of Peace and when all else has failed, every knee will bend and tongue confess who is the Lord. In the meantime He is shaking Israel from the nations, and bringing people from every tribe and tongue to the glory of His Name, not by power, nor by might but by His Spirit.


Anonymous said...

I am so thankful for the internet and this computer. I tried for years to get out a little that I had learned to others. As I wrote, most people refuse the truth. It is INCONVENIENT. I put forth much effort. I contacted newspaper reporters, television reporters. I was naive. The media are all controlled by the same people who control everything. And they fear the teachers' unions too. Just try to find a television station or newspaper that does not pimp for school levies and taxes and bond issues. They will not tell the truth even if they know it. And they, too, came out of the government-controlled schools.

Shem1777 said...

Pope Benedict XCI calls for Palestinian homeland. Yahoo News

Would someone please send the Pope a Bible?

Oh, that's right, the Pope is a worldly, um, I mean, world leader. They are a power unto themselves

Shem1777 said...

Anonymous 8:07

Well said!!!!

The damage done to souls by the television/movie industry, and the public indoctrination system is immeasurable.

Anonymous said...

When I got a clue and requested the books used in the gifted class I was loaned the children's books and I was given the syllabus. I'm sure the teacher had no idea what I would do with that information. I began researching the people listed there on whose work the class was based. I passed on the material to Charlotte Iserbyt. She told me it was one of the worst she had seen. Charlotte was a whistle blower who had worked in the Fed. Dept. of Ed. during the Reagan admin. but after she let the cat out of the bag they fired her. Her books tell all about the Government's nefarious doings. No delusions or paranoia here. Just the facts. Documents. Facts. The "gifted" teacher retired on a very generous fund, payed for by all of us, and got busy in the Emmaus Walk movement. That is an ecumenical movement (Catholic- and Methodist-connected and her talents as a Facilitator are very useful. DIAPRAX (Dean Gotcher) - diverse groups of people, dialoguing to consensus with the help of facilitators and predetermined outcomes. Exactly what she was paid to do with little children in the PACE class. The class was a diverse group of children. The books, materials and topics she presented them with held the social issues and moral dilemmas that they were to come to consensus on. She helped them come to the predetermined outcomes/conclusions. The Philosophy For Children Series (Montclair State University) (Lippman) is carefully constructed to lead the child along to conclude what the writer wishes. The questions so helpfully provided to the teacher/facilitator by the writers are engineered to control thought and conclusions. Generations of Social Scientists and Psychologists have devoted their lives to these things, and been well-paid to do it. Even well-meaning and/or "Christian" teachers in govt.-controlled schools will do what they're told. Pastors who value their jobs will not denounce the schools. There are too many in congregations who work in schools or have family members who work in them. And most of the children in churches attend those schools. Can't offend the people who put money in the collection plates.

Anonymous said...


Estimated 20,000 people fill Jordanian sports stadium for open-air Mass

The Associated Press
May 10, 2009

AMMAN, Jordan - Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday urged Middle East Christians to persevere in their faith despite hardships threatening the existence of their ancient communities.
An estimated 20,000 people filled a Jordanian sports stadium as Benedict celebrated the first open-air Mass of his Middle East pilgrimage.

"The Catholic community here is deeply touched by the difficulties and uncertainties which affect the people of the Middle East," Benedict said, speaking in English, at the Amman stadium.

"May you never forget the great dignity which derives from your Christian heritage, or fail to sense the loving solidarity of all your brothers and sisters in the church throughout the world," he said.

Catholics from across the Middle East are attending the service. Many held up flags from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and other countries. They applauded the pope's words and shouted out his name.

The Mass was on the third day of Benedict's weeklong pilgrimage to Jordan, Israel and the Palestinian territories.

The pope was welcomed at the stadium in Arabic by the Latin rite patriarch of Jerusalem, Archbishop Fouad Twal, who recalled that Jordan has taken in more than 1 million Iraqi refugees since the start of the war, some 40,000 of them Christians. According to Vatican statistics, Christians are less than 2 percent of Jordan's overwhelmingly Muslim population.

For years, the church has been alarmed by the declining presence of Christians in the Holy Land and throughout the Middle East, driven out by war and economic hardship.

In his homily Sunday, Benedict urged that the "material and moral assistance" Christians need will never be lacking. He also paid tribute to Christian women in the region, saying many have "devoted their lives to building peace and fostering harmony."

Father Raymond Mousalli, an Iraqi priest, said there are about 20,000 Iraqi Christians in Jordan, and Iraqis of all faiths must sit together and find peace after years of war.

"The holy father speaks here, and his voice is heard in the Middle East especially by Iraqi Christians who are suffering a lot," Mousalli said.

Peter Samaan, 15-year-old Iraqi dressed in a white communion robe, said he hoped Benedict could one day travel to Iraq.

"We Christians want to return. We are strangers in this country." Samaan said, adding that his family fled Iraq to avoid persecution.

In the afternoon, Benedict was scheduled to travel some 30 miles from Amman to Bethany beyond the Jordan river, the site of Christ's baptism. He will also bless the foundation stones of Latin and Greek Melkite churches.

Constance Cumbey said...

I had an interesting and disturbing incident recounted to me regarding a now dead by suicide gifted and talented teacher in the State of Colorado. Her sister came from New Jersey to meet with me in Maryland back in the 1980s -- about 1984 or so as I recall. The woman had post-graduate degrees and was the author of a widely used talented and gifted textbook. She had become involved in "spiritual growth" classes at her Unity Church. She had a 10 year old daughter and was going through a divorce. Unity required "spiritual growth" classes and the one she took was of the "light channeling" variety. It wasn't even the heavier stuff. She felt herself strongly attracted to her divorce attorney who was happily married and the father of 3 children. She told this to her "spiritual growth" class. She was told, per her sister who had spoken with her prior to this tragedy that the reason she was so strongly attracted was that they had been married in a past life and would be together in a future life, but for this life, it was not to be. The teacher then went out and shot and killed the attorney and then turned the gun on herself. She left a suicide note for her family which I read in the presence of her surviving sister.

I understand the New Age culture strongly permeates the "gifted and talented" curriculums. Having some highly gifted and talented members of my own family -- a niece who was a true genius -- I can understand some of the dilemmas of keeping these children challenged, BUT, the New Age teachings are brain rapes of these precious children!


Anonymous said...

Since we're on the subject of 'gifted classes' maybe someone here can assist me. My brother and I were placed in 'gifted' classes in Jackson, Mississippi in the early 1980's. We were read a few of the Time Quintet books by Madeleine L'Engle. Although my brother and I were very smart (he has an IQ well above genius), the books thoroughly confused us. I have never gotten past the strange, unsettling feelings I got while 'learning' and discussing these books. No other children in our schools, or any other schools I attended afterwards, had ever heard of 'A Wrinkle In Time'...any ideas on who or what Madeleine L'Engle was associated with?

Anonymous said...


From Indian Catholic (03/24/09):

"Angels and Demons Film Scripted in Catholic-bashing"

By Joseph Dias

Dan Brown, the author of Da Vinci Code seems to have excelled in the art of Catholicism-bashing and he takes his anti-Catholic agenda further with the novel - Angels & Demons. Co-producer, Brian Grazer wants ‘Angels & Demons’ to be ‘less reverential’ than ‘The Da Vinci Code’, meaning more liberally anti-Catholic – which it is, if one goes by the book.

One would have no objection to the movie-makers, had they left real-life historical figures and the Catholic Church out of their web of cultic charm. However, this is not so and the film deals with historical persons and events, lying about them and demonizing the Catholic Church all through. The lies in the movie makes it difficult for one to separate fact from fiction and tho se not familiar with the history of the Catholic Church are bound to go away with a warped opinion about it.

The Story

The protagonist in both, Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons is Harvard symbologist Robert Langdon. In Angels & Demons, (the movie based on the novel by the same name opens worldwide on 15, May 2009), Langdon is recruited by CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) to investigate what happened to one of its top physicists: he was found dead with a mysterious symbol seared into his chest. It was the symbol of a secret society, long thought moribund, the Brotherhood of the Illuminati.

In time Langdon becomes convinced that the Illuminati have returned. According to Brown, the organization, which numbered Galileo among its members, was founded to assert the superiority of science over the irrationality of religion, especially Roman Catholicism. It now seeks revenge, having captured antimatter, a dangerous substance discovered by the scientist who was assassinated. Langdon’s mission is to stop the Illuminati before it blows up the Vatican with a time bomb procured from the antimatter.

What one finds objectionable

* Priest & nun settle for artificial insemination: The depiction of a young priest who before he became pope fell in love with a nun. They wanted a child, but also wanted to remain chaste, so they settled for artificial insemination.

* Distortion of facts concerning real-life: Brown’s deceit is that he intersperses real life characters, like Copernicus and Galileo; and real life organizations, like the Illuminati; and real life issues, like science and religion, to draw his own concocted conclusions, that are not borne out by historical facts and are blatant lies.

* Wrongful portrayal of the Catholic Church: Dan Brown knows what the historical record says, and yet he deliberately misrepresents it. His willful distortion of the truth is done to smear the Catholic Church. He wants to show that the Catholic Church sees science as the enemy and will stop at nothing to get its way.

* Untruths about CERN & antimatter: Brown begins with a “Fact” page that mentions CERN. He describes it as a Swiss facility that created antimatter, “the most powerful energy source known to man.” It is so powerful that “a single gram of antimatter contains the energy of a 20-kiloton nuclear bomb—the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima”. This is untrue.

* CERN clarifies its stand with facts: CERN has gotten so many inquiries about Brown’s allegations that it has a special section on its website answering them. For example, it says that “CERN is not a Swiss institute, but an international organization”; it is located partly in Switzerland and partly in France. Antimatter does exist, and is routinely created at CERN, but “There is no possibility to use antimatter as energy ‘source’. A popular question asked of CERN officials is, “Do you make antimatter as described in the book?” The reply: “No. ” Everyone wants to know how dangerous antimatter really is. CERN says it is “Perfectly safe, given the minute quantities we can make. It would be very dangerous if we could make a few grams of it, but this would take us billions of years.

* Catholic Church resorts to any means, leading to revenge: More important, Brown says on the very next page that “The brotherhood of the Illuminati is also factual.” And what are the Illuminati up to? In the book it says that “the Illuminati were hunted ruthlessly by the Catholic Church.” In a trailer for the movie, Tom Hanks, who plays Langdon, says of the secret society that “The Catholic Church ordered a brutal massacre to silence them forever. They’ve come for their revenge.” On pp. 39-40 in the book, it says the Illuminati were founded in the 1500s; the movie says the same. On p. 23, it says that “Word of Galileo’s brotherhood started to spread in the 1630s, and scientists from around the world made secret pilgrimages to Rome hoping to join the Illuminati….”

The film’s director, Ron Howard, concurs: “The Illuminati were formed in the 1600s. They were artists and scientists like Galileo and Bernini, whose progressive ideas threatened the Vatican.” Brown, on his website, hammers this point home: “It is a historical fact that the Illuminati vowed vengeance against the Vatican in the 1600s. The early Illuminati—those of Galileo s day—were expelled from Rome by the Vatican and hunted mercilessly.”

* Lies about the Illuminati: The truth is that not a single member of the Illuminati was ever hunted, much less killed, by the Catholic Church. Exactly who the Illuminati were shows how bogus Brown’s claims are. The Illuminati were founded by a law professor, Adam Weishaupt, in Bavaria on May 1,1776. It didn’t last long: it totally collapsed in 1787. This isn’t a matter of dispute, so dragging Galileo into this fable is downright dishonest—he died in 1642, almost a century and a half before the Illuminati was founded. Brown must know all this because on his own website there is a section on the Illuminati that correctly identifies its founding in 1776!

*More historical lies about real- life figures: The book claims that CERN invented the Internet, which is manifestly untrue. It credits two BBC reporters with winning a Pulitzer Prize, even though the award only goes to Americans. It says Winston Churchill was a “staunch Catholic, when the fact is he was never a Catholic. It floats the idea that the Catholic Church is filthy rich when in reality its annual operating budget is about one-fifth that of Harvard’s. The book maintains that Copernicus was murdered, yet the record shows he died of a stroke. It holds that Galileo was a pacifist, though there is no evidence that he ever was. Brown takes a belief by Christian Scientists on the impropriety of medically treating a young person and falsely attributes it to Catholicism. He also falsely paints Catholics as opposed to the teaching of evolution, and identifies a Protestant organization, the Christian Coalition, as a Catholic entity.

* Brown elevates science to the position of God: On p. 31, one of Brown’s characters delights in saying, “Soon all Gods will be proven to be false idols. Science has now provided answers to almost every question man can ask.” So what’s left? “There are only a few questions left,” writes Brown, “and they are the esoteric ones.” Like the very meaning of existence! On p. 218, Brown gets so excited by the promise of science that he uses italics to exclaim, “Science is God.” On p. 474, he really gets into orbit: “Medicine, electronic communications, space travel, genetic manipulation…these are the miracles about which we now tell our children. These are the miracles we herald as proof that science will bring us the answers.” Then he goes for the gold: “The ancient stories of immaculate conceptions, burning bushes, and parting seas are no longer relevant. God has become obsolete. Science has won the battle.”

Is there anything science can’t do? Evidently not. Here is Brown at his wackiest (p. 658): “Science has come to save us from our sickness, hunger, and pain! Behold science—the new God of endless miracles, omnipotent and benevolent! Ignore the weapons and the chaos.” It’s even an elixir for personal problems: “Forget the fractured loneliness and endless peril. Science is here!”

*The fact is that Catholicism promoted science & astronomy: Science would not have progressed as it has. “For the last fifty years,” says professor Thomas E. Woods, Jr., “virtually all historians of science have concluded that the Scientific Revolution was indebted to the Church.” Sociologist Rodney Stark argues that the reason why science arose in Europe, and nowhere else, is because of Catholicism. “It is instructive that China, Islam, India, ancient Greece, and Rome all had a highly developed alchemy. But only in Europe did alchemy develop into chemistry. By the same token, many societies developed elaborate systems of astrology, but only in Europe did astrology lead to astronomy”.

The Catholic role in pioneering astronomy is not questioned. J.L. Heilborn of the University of California at Berkeley writes that “The Roman Catholic Church gave more financial aid and social support to the study of astronomy for over six centuries, from the recovery of ancient learning during the late Middle Ages into the Enlightenment than any other, and, probably, all other institutions.” The Jesuits scientific achievements alone, reached every corner of the earth.

What was it about Catholicism that made it so science-friendly, and why did science take root in Europe and not some place else? Stark knows why: “Because Christianity depicted God as a rational, responsive, dependable, and omnipotent being, and the universe as his personal creation. The natural world was thus understood to have a rational, lawful, stable structure, waiting (indeed, inviting) human comprehension.”

Church & Galileo – many untruths: The myths about Galileo are so rich that few bother to consult the historical record to learn what really happened. Brown exploits this ignorance to the hilt. When he says on p. 41 that Galileo’s “data were incontrovertible,” he is not even close to telling the truth. For instance, we know that the tides are explained by the gravitational forces of the moon. But Galileo’s fixation on the earth revolving a round the sun did not allow him to see this he believed that the tides were understood by the earth’s revolutions around the sun. More important, what got Galileo into trouble was less his ideas than his arrogance: he made claims that he could not scientifically sustain.

If Galileo was punished for maintaining that the earth revolves around the sun, then why wasn’t Copernicus punished? After all, Copernicus broached this idea before Galileo toyed with it, and like Galileo, he was also a Catholic. The difference is that Copernicus was an honest scientist: he was content to state his ideas in the form of a hypothesis. Galileo refused to do so, even though he could not prove his hypothesis.

If the Catholic Church was out to get Galileo from the get-go, then how does one explain why he was celebrated for his work in Rome in 1611? Why did Pope Paul V embrace him? Why did he become friends with the future pope, Urban VIII? Quite frankly, Galileo never got into trouble before he started insisting that the Copernican system was positively true. When he first agreed to treat it as a hypothesis, or as a mathematical proposition, he suffered not a whit.

In 1624, Pope Urban VIII gave Galileo medals and other gifts, and pledged to continue his support for his work. According to Woods, “Urban VIII told the astronomer that the Church had never declared Copernicanism to be heretical , and that the Church would never do so”. This, of course, is not what Brown wants us to believe. Eight years later, Galileo wrote his Dialogue on the Great World Systems; he did so at the urging of the pope. But this time he made the leap of asserting that the Copernican theory was empirically true. Moreover, he presented himself as a theologian, not simply as a mathematician, as he agreed to do. The Church was not pleased, and indeed felt double-crossed by him. Just as important, the scientific community was unimpressed. His hubris was appalling to as many outside the Church as within it.

It is easy for us today to say that the Church overreacted in its treatment of Galileo. This is true. But it is also important to note that he was never tortured and never spent a day in prison. He was confined to house arrest in a modest home for nine years. He even stayed for a while in the home of the archbishop of Siena. Not exactly the Gulag-type experience we’ve been led to believe. It would be interesting to know how Brown would explain the fact that the first leader of the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences was none other than his favorite “martyr,” Galileo Galilei!

If the Catholic Church was so anti-science, why did Pope Benedict XIV grant an imprimatur to the first edition of the complete works of Galileo? He did this in 1741. And if further proof is needed to demonstrate that Galileo’s abrasiveness had something to do with the Church’s response, consider that scientists like Father Roger Boscovich continued to explore Copernican ideas at the same time Galileo was found “vehemently suspected of heresy.” It should also be noted that Catholics were never forbidden from reading Galileo. Moreover, scientific books of all kinds circulated freely during and after his censure.

Bill Donahue’s Rationale

According to Bill Donahue of the US Catholic League – “In brief, the tag team of Dan Brown and Ron Howard would have the public believe that Galileo was a member of a secret society, the Illuminati, and that the group seeks revenge against the Vatican today because of the Catholic Church’s anti-science history. The fact is that Galileo died almost 150 years before the Illuminati were founded on May 1, 1776. So why do they lie? Because their goal is to paint the Catholic Church as the enemy of science, and what better poster boy to trot out than their favorite martyr, Galileo? The ultimate victim, Galileo’s alleged persecution is cited as proof of the Church's war on reason.

“Galileo was never imprisoned or tortured: His confinement to house arrest, though unwarranted, was more a function of his arrogance than his ideas: he persisted in presenting his ideas (taken from Copernicus, a Catholic scientist who was never punished) as scientifically accurate, something which even scientists of his day scoffed at.

* Anti-Church eye-witness accounts of the film crew: Father Bernard O’Connor, a Canadian priest and an official with the Vatican’s Congregation for Eastern Churches was in Rome last year, while director Ron Howard was shooting the movie. O’Connor had two encounters with the film crew, informal discussions with about 20 of them. He was dressed casually so no one knew he was a priest. They spoke openly, thinking he was just “an amiable tourist.” He wrote an article about his experiences for the monthly magazine, Inside the Vatican. One self-described “production official” opined, “The wretched Church is against us yet again and is making problems.” Then, speaking of his friend Dan Brown, he offered, “Like most of us, he often says that he would do anything to demolish that detestable institution, the Catholic Church. And we will triumph. You will see.” When Father O’Connor asked him to clarify his remarks, the production official said, “Within a generation there will be no more Catholic Church, at least not in Western Europe. And really the media deserves to take much of the credit for its demise.”

“The public is finally getting our message,” boasts the movie official. The message is clearly defined: “The Catholic Church must be weakened and eventually it must disappear from the earth. It is humanity’s chief enemy. This has always been the case.” He credits “radio, television, Hollywood, the music and video industries, along with just about every newspaper which exists, all saying the same thing.” He also cites the role which colleges and universities have played in undermining Catholicism.

Who is the Illuminati & what is it credited to do?

In truth, the Illuminati were populated by men of the Enlightenment who believed they possessed some special knowledge that would enable them to reform Germany. Weishaupt demanded that his followers cut themselves off from family and friends—in cult-like form—so they could build a revolutionary society. Before he died, he renounced all secret societies and reconciled himself with the Catholic Church. But none of this is told because Brown wants us to believe that the Illuminati are still in existence.

Joseph Dias is general secretary of The Catholic Secular Forum (CSF). With inputs from Bill Donahue, Catholic League, USA

Anonymous said...

Madeleine L'Engle: We had never heard of L'Engle but our "gifted" daughter was assigned A Wrinkle In Time by her elementary teacher. Then when I began my inquiry about the whole "education" system I learned about L'Engle. I have a book titled BATTLE TO DESTROY TRUTH by Claris Van Kuiken. It's the true story of how the Dutch Reformed Church, Wheaton College and many other people and orgs. protected and promoted L'Engle's New Age books, passing them off as Christian. Mrs. Kuiken still does interviews. L'Engle, who died recently, was a very deceptive person. She fooled so many.

Anonymous said...

New Age in "Gifted" classes: When I finally knew enough to ask our child what had happened in that first she said she did not remember anything, that it was a big waste of time. Then she told me she remembered the teacher having the children lie down and imagine a light traveling around their bodies. She also told about the teacher facilitating peer pressure. If one child was not coming around she would have a group of kids pressure the one to change opinions. When I asked the teacher about this she told me my child was mistaken, that she (teacher) had never done that. She told me," I am a Christian. I would never do anything to harm a child. I will even tell you what church I attend." I told her I thought it strange that my "gifted" child would be so confused about such things. But many of us know that multitudes attend churches and call themselves Christians but they are anything but.

björn said...

Constance, I posted an article about Agnelli and Solana at my blog. Thanks for having a look!

björn said...

July-Dec 2009 Swedish EU presidency logo: ying and yang in blue and yellow:see


History Maker said...

FYI- At the top of Berit's website is "A Chronology of
The Revolutionary Roots of the UN
and the radical minds behind the New World Order (Old but relevant)"

Good info there especially re: NEA & UNESCO, and related to the discussion taking place here about education.


History Maker said...

p.s. Funny, I was just remembering how I discovered Constance about a year ago when I was looking up information about the International Baccalaureate Program...

Oh, how much I have learned this year! Yikes.

Susanna said...

Bjorn (farmer)

I read your excellent article on Agnelli. Bravo!

You mention Propaganda Due.

Propaganda Due was founded by Fascist Licio Gelli, who, during World War II, reportedly became a liaison officer in the SS Hermann Goering Division.

During the 1930s, Licio Gelli volunteered for the "Black Shirts" expeditionary forces sent by Mussolini to Spain in support to Francisco Franco[1], and subsequently became a liaison officer between the Italian blackshirts government and the Third Reich, with contacts including Hermann Göring. He participated in the Italian Social Republic with Giorgio Almirante, founder of the neofascist Italian Social Movement (MSI) more...


Anonymous said...

All here,

I have at times expressed affection and gratitude towards most I have come into contact with here, and that continues to this day. However it is becoming ever more clear that our time here is coming to a close. Constance, mentioned in an earlier post, her thought that the fifth seal was in our near future. I want to go one step further here.

None of us really know how much time we have left, however if things are as they appear, over 5 billion people on this planet could be gone in the next couple years. While it is our responsibility to show them what is happening, we must not forget to show them why.

This is meant simply as an encouragement to my brothers and sisters to share the love of our Father. Given the losses we all are expecting, I want to make sure we all realize our focus should be on showing our Messiah first and exposing the enemy second.

Anonymous said...

Annony, 1:03, that may be well and good and certainly understand the speculation. Yet I don't believe we are quite at the seals yet and in the period of setting up the ground work for what is to come. Yet things are coming in this time that will be difficult. We are also within a period where much shaking will go own, the church will begin to wake up and either chase the lies or grow in truth. This is where we are I believe, so prepare and grow in God and know things will get difficult, but things go by God's time table and not mans table. Note the continued delays on the "appearance" of Maitreya. TPTB claim cause not enough folks talking about the supposed star. This is because again, God has his time table and while close we are not there and not one seal has been opened, only the "beginnings." One can specualte elsewise but when the seals are broken there will be NO MISTAKING IT.

björn said...

Susanna, yes P2 links also with PS 'Priory of Sion' - Davinci code, which is documented/declared in leghth in holy blood holy grail/ messianic legacy by Baigent Leigh and Lincoln, here also a lot of links to European unification movement and Kissinger in Swiss P2 loge Alpina, close to Lausanne:)a village called Sion...

björn said...

Susanna, me written on P2 and Gelli here:

Joyce said...

Well, it looks like the pope is not the only one who wants Israel to relinquish land, so does Brian McClaren, surprise surprise:

Jim Wallis of Sojourners is part of the Obama Faith-based initiatives.

Peres presented the pope with a nano Bible but I think he should have presented him with one that is is big enough to read the passages about the Land. Of course we can spiritualize away God's Words about the Land. Brian just thinks when God makes a covenant that he is says He will keep:

Gen. 17:7 “I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.
Gen. 17:8 “I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

God is clear through which son, the descendants would be named:

Gen. 21:12 But God said to Abraham, “1Do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for athrough Isaac your descendants shall be named, not through Ishmael. That doesn't mean Ishmael's descendants can't be saved, but they must come through the promised seed, the Messiah, Yeshua.

So...the problem is that the Pope, Brian McClaren, the UN, the EU, the US, Russia, etc. do not want to follow God's plan. They prefer to depend on human wisdom which is vain. This is why interfaith has become some popular.. that's man's wisdom, not God's. God's wisdom is foolishness to those who are perishing.. It's the cross.

Brian talks about hermeneutics. He wouldn't know what a hermeneutic was if he fell over one. He is one of the great deceivers of this generation of young people ( and some not so young too) The book of Luke:

Luke 2:25 ¶ And lo, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name [is] Simeon, and this man is righteous and devout, looking for the comforting of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him,
Luke 2:26 and it hath been divinely told him by the Holy Spirit — not to see death before he may see the Christ of the Lord.
Luke 2:27 And he came in the Spirit to the temple, and in the parents bringing in the child Jesus, for their doing according to the custom of the law regarding him,
Luke 2:28 then he took him in his arms, and blessed God, and he said,
Luke 2:29 ‘Now Thou dost send away Thy servant, Lord, according to Thy word, in peace,
Luke 2:30 because mine eyes did see Thy salvation,
Luke 2:31 which Thou didst prepare before the face of all the peoples,
Luke 2:32 a light to the uncovering of nations, and the glory of Thy people Israel.’

Yeshua came for Israel, and the nations. God has not forgotten His covenants. The nations who were far off where brought into the covenants by the blood of Messiah, but the covenants haven't been abolished.. contrary to popular belief.

Eph. 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to bthe covenants of promise, having no hope and dwithout God in the world.
Eph. 2:13 But now in aChrist Jesus you who bformerly were cfar off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

The nations being brought near does not annul God's eternal covenants with Israel. On the contrary, it allows the nations to enter in. God's plan was always that Israel would be a light to the nations because He loves the nations too.

Rom. 11:23 And they also, aif they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Rom. 11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

I won't post the whole passage, but:

Rom. 11:29 for the gifts and the acalling of God bare irrevocable.

Did God not give Israel gifts, a calling, a Land? These things are irrevocable whether the Arab nations, the UN, the US, Brian McClaren, the Pope, Jim Wallis, like it or not. If they read their Bibles and believe God is God, He is able to restore His people and be glorified, because He is God. This is not about how holy Israel is, but about how faithful God is. He will give Israel His righteousness, then the world will understand who is the God of Israel.

We, in Yeshua have received His righteousness. I am a Jew, but my righteousness is through Yeshua. It is because of His atoning work for me that I have have been redeemed. God will do the same for many more Jews, and the descendants of the Northern Kingdom scattered in the nations too, and for the nations themselves. . This is for His Glory, and His Name.

I think the anonymous person that wrote before me is talking about proclaiming this message. The world events are important because they confirm prophecy, but the focus of our attention should be the one who is faithful to accomplish all that He said He would. If God does not restore Israel, then His Word is not true, but as it stands, God's Word is 100% true and so He will do ALL that He promises, and this should be a great comfort to all of us.

We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but thanks to Yeshua who paid the price in full for our violations of God's Torah, we have new life. This is the life-saving message of the Gospel. It's not the only thing that the Bible promises. There are land promises, there are promises concerning the Millennium and the New Jerusalem, so all of it is true. We cannot pick and chose from the Bible and accept some passages and reject others. Replacement theology has done this and rejected God's eternal promises to Israel, but as Scripture says:

Is. 49:14 ¶ But Zion said, “The LORD has forsaken me,
And the Lord has forgotten me.”
Is. 49:15 “Can a woman forget her nursing child
And have no compassion on the son of her womb?
Even these may forget, but aI will not forget you.
Is. 49:16 “Behold, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;
Your bwalls are continually before Me.
Is. 49:17 “Your builders hurry;
Your destroyers and devastators
Will depart from you.

If any of you on the blog are far from the Lord, you should take comfort to know that He is faithful, even when we are not, but you must turn to Him and He will cleanse your iniquities. He removes them as far as the east is from the west, but you must turn to Him. Sorry to preach, but I think the times are short and we all need to listen to His voice. His faithfulness to Israel, my people who have turned from Him many times, should encourage us all.

He is the Messiah promised to Israel, but He is the Messiah of all the nations too. If people really understood this, we would not be in the mess we're in today.. but one day soon, with or without bending their knee they will.. Hopefully, many more will do this before He comes.

The interfaith movement is a great distraction from the truth because it says that we can all do our own thing and the only thing that is important is to get along. As people dabble in spirituality, they feel spiritual, but what spirit are they listening to? This is the great question one must ask.. I would wholeheartedly disagree that interfaith is a good thing. It is humanism in its worst form. The truth is that we all need Yeshua, without exception and this is the message we need to be proclaiming today.

Matt. 3:3 For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said,

This One is coming again, and we should be getting ready as the spotless bride. We have received already His righteousness, if we know Him and we would want to be walking in what has already been given us freely, by obeying His commands. This is the fruit of a life consecrated to Him.

I'm not going to predict where we are in the prophetic cycle at the moment, but the days look increasingly evil, so we need to be on our guard because the devil is roaming around trying to see who he can devour and destroy. Keep your eyes on the Biblical feasts of Lev 23, which will teach us how to walk in sacred time and listen for the sound of the shofar. Through these appointments, if we walk in them, God will teach us more about Himself and we will learn to lead sanctified lives because the appointments are for our instruction. We need to put on the full armor, and the full armor starts in Genesis and ends in Revelations.


Anonymous said...

Joyce said:

"Mysticism promotes experience over doctrine bypassing the mind.( although I know some who will deny this) . This is a neat trick to draw people in and open spiritual doors that allow for bonding between those who would otherwise disagree."

A perfect example:


Anonymous said...

1 John 4:1
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but TRY the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

1) to test, examine, prove, scrutinise (to see whether a thing is genuine or not), as metals.

2) to recognise as genuine after examination, to approve, deem worthy.

Besides devils (spiritual beings)their are witches & warlocks and those with demons who astral project and with proper instruction (various new age conferences) bring about a counterfeit/parroting a HOLY experience through leadings, suggestions or strong impressions upon their target so as to deceive.(even the elect if possible).

2 Timothy3:6
"For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,"

Thank goodness for the HOLY GHOST who leads us into truth. Can't find the reference yet - looking.


Susanna said...


I read your excellent articles on P2, Licio Gelli, Priory of Sion, etc..

I am sure that JD would find the "ODESSA" activities of Licio Gelli in Argentina and elsewhere particularly interesting.

Jaclyn said...

Joyce, thank you for your most recent post re: Israel, I completely agree. I am going to a church that is covenental to the degree that they believe Israel is no different than any other country and that God has absolutely no special dealings with them, we are all the same. I am tenacious about following Scripture, "Sola Scriptura"...and in complete disagreement with this teaching.

I'm making a list of the Scriptures you posted, if you have any more references off the top of your head, I would appreciate any you can send.

Thanks again!

Constance Cumbey said...

From Javier Solana's 2006 acceptance of a Carnegie Peace Prize -- shortly after the Dutch rejected the EU Constitution"

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EUHR Solana awarded Carnegie-Wateler Peace Prize
Sommaire: EUHR Solana awarded Carnegie-Wateler Peace Prize (23 November 2006: the Hague)
Acceptance speech of JAVIER SOLANA, EU High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy, on the occasion of receiving the Carnegie-Wateler Peace Prize, The Hague

Excellencies, distinguished guests, dear friends,

I am honoured but also humbled by the decision of the Carnegie Foundation to present me the Carnegie-Wateler Peace Prize for 2006.

Let me begin by thanking you Hans for your warm and carefully chosen summation of the reasons that have motivated the jury. The prize may have been awarded to me personally. But I feel this is very much a recognition of the contribution that the European Union has made to building peace - in Europe and around the world.

The timing and place of this ceremony are fitting. The Netherlands has just had an intense general election. And it is always good to see democracy at work. Receiving the award in this Great Hall of Justice inside this magnificent building, the Peace Palace, adds to the occasion.

Democracy, Justice and Peace. These are big words. But they mean a lot to me. In many ways, the search for democracy, justice and peace has been the guiding force of my political life.

It is no accident that the world's most important legal institutions are based in this country. You are traditionally known for values such as openness, liberty and compassion. I myself benefited from Dutch hospitality when I spent a year in Eindhoven while my country Spain suffered under an authoritarian regime. The spirit of acceptance, tolerance and freedom made me feel welcome.

This same spirit has long defined the role of the Netherlands. Also in the European context, as one key contributor to the process of European integration. I hope this spirit returns to the Dutch political arena after yesterday's elections. Both Europe and the wider world need this country to play an active, self-confident role. Staying engaged; committing resources; taking risks for peace.

Dear friends,

I sometimes feel we are too complacent about the 60 years of peace which Western Europe has enjoyed.

That we are now so prosperous, so free and so secure is thanks largely to the vision of men like Jean Monnet, a previous winner of this Prize, and Robert Schuman. These founding fathers knew very well the horrors of war. They were determined that Europe should end the cycle whereby every generation prepares to go to war with their neighbours.

I know it is no longer fashionable to describe the European Union and its previous incarnations as a peace building project. Instead, in the eyes of some, the Union has become a distant bureaucracy without popular support. I disagree.

The idealism behind the EU's foundation is vital to defining who and what we are today. And it helps to appreciate the value of the European Union as a force for good in the world. We have carefully built a zone of peace, democracy and the rule of law of more than 500 million people.

Now we have to extend that zone further. And to answer the call for Europe to act. To promote peace and protect the vulnerable. That is the aim of the Common Foreign and Security Policy. It is also my personal mission. It may be hard for some to imagine that in Asia, Africa and Latin America, people speak with great admiration of the European experience.

It is true, building peace can feel like a Sisyphean task. Sometimes, your hard work done over years is unravelled in weeks or days. We know that creating a self-sustaining peace is hard. It requires stamina, creativity, resources and above all commitment. But unlike Sisyphus, we also know that the peace agreements, which we push up the hill metaphorically, can succeed.

We did so in the Balkans and in Aceh in Indonesia. And we are trying to do so in the Middle East, Darfur and elsewhere. In many ways, the European Union is one big mediation and conflict resolution machine, based on law and non-stop negotiations. This puts us in a position to not only advocate preventive diplomacy but also to implement it.

I am pleased that by awarding this prize, the Carnegie Foundation has underlined both the results achieved to date - and the need to continue our efforts. We tend to forget how young our European Security and Defence Policy is. Our first mission started a little more than three years ago. But we now have more than 10 in the field, on three continents. From 'classic' peacekeeping, to police training, to border monitoring, to security sector reform.

This is also a natural growth area for more work. If you don't like preventive wars, you must develop preventive policies. We always aim for bespoke solutions. Our vision is one where crisis management tools are used to create the space for politics to work. Because at the end of the day, conflict resolution requires political agreements.

Thus far I have spoken about 'classic' conflict resolution where the parties and boundaries of the conflict are relatively easy to identify. But there is another type of conflict we have to discuss. It involves a toxic brew of group and ethnic identities. A sense of alienation and resentment. The use and misuse of religion.

It is a global conflict in which our values are tested. It is a borderless conflict, taking place in distant countries and our cities and societies. Some of the flashpoints are Iraq, Israel-Palestine, Kashmir.

But also Amsterdam, London, Copenhagen and Madrid. Globalisation and new media mean that perceptions from different parts of the world can collide.

Part of the answer lies in more inter-faith dialogue and inter-cultural dialogue. A dialogue in which we seek common ground. In this dialogue we have to be aware that 'we' are numerically in the minority. But equally we should stand up for the universality of some of our values. Insisting on the universality of our values also helps against the charge of double-standards.

It is not easy to conduct this dialogue. I experienced this first-hand during the Cartoon crisis. But I am pleased that Europe's message of profound respect for others was well-received. And it was important that everyone could unite on the importance of mutual tolerance.

There is also the difficult question of who to engage. Should we talk to radical Islamists who profess to hate the West. And if so, up to what point? And what about those who have justified or used violence, now or in the past? These are intensely difficult moral and political questions. But all conflicts have ended by talking to 'the other' at some point.

I see all the pitfalls, especially for governments. But my sense is that this larger conflict will not be resolved if we talk to ever fewer people. And I am worried that the gap between this part of the world and the wider Muslim world is growing. Without compromising our values, we should do all we can to close that gap.

Let me end by thanking, once again, the Carnegie Foundation for bestowing this honour. It is true that the European Union has done a lot for peace. But there is even more to be done.

Thank you very much.
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Constance Cumbey said...

Madeline L'Engle was deeply into the mainstream New Age and had an office in the Cathdedral Church of St. John the Divine in New York City under the auspeices of James Parks Mortn, the closest of friends with David Spangler, Mr. "Luciferic Initiation to enter the New Age" himself!


Anonymous said...

update on Maitreya's star: according to share international's May 2009 posting, maitreya's star is no longer a star! it's a UFO! according to share international, there are four large UFOs orbiting earth! each UFO is the size of 5 football fields! these giant UFOs are from our galaxy... insanity! i suspect that there may be an attempt to hype this with the new UFO movie coming out this summer " District 9".

Anonymous said...

there is also a funny "miracle" that maitreya performed. in the May 2009 issue from share international, there is the face of Jesus bitten into a KitKat bar! maitreya took credit for that "miracle". i can't make this stuff up people! share international seems desperate for ANY attention! i imagine our Heavenly Father laughing at this miracle just as i did! please check it out for yourselves. i at least got a great laugh!

Anonymous said...

John 16:13
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. "


Anonymous said...

share international may 2009: another maitreya "miracle". a cross on the surface of a potato! this is just sad. i guess even negative attention is still attention....?

Anonymous said...

2nd anony 2:43pm
could you supply a link or resource?

Anonymous said...


Is the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City an Episcopal church?

Anonymous said...

share international's website is: click on "the curse of commercialization" on their homepage. that will take you to their May 2009 publishing.

Anonymous said...

incredible - thanks for resource.

although the kitkat bar one was pretty good if i do say so myself.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

This is a link to IBM's Smarter Planet Initiative. This iste promotes RFID and Smartgrid systems as the be all solution to every problem, from tracking fresh water, to energy use, smart cities, homes, and even nations.

Ther is also an article about Malta desiring to be the first complete smart grid nation.

Malta: the first smart grid countryKnown for its dry sunny weather, knights and long architectural history, this Mediterranean archipelago is about to become known for something else: it's the world's first "smart grid" country.

Malta's electricity and water systems are inexorably intertwined. Malta depends entirely on foreign fuel oil for the production of all of its electricity and for more than half of its water supply, which filters through an energy-intensive desalination process.

The new smart grid, integrating both water and power systems, will be able to identify water leaks and electricity losses in the grid, allowing the utilities to more intelligently plan their investments in the network and reduce inefficiency. 250,000 interactive meters will monitor electricity usage in real time, set variable rates, and reward customers who consume less energy and water.

By addressing the issues of water and power as a system, the Maltese government can provide citizens with better information to make smarter decisions about how and when they use power—and the country can begin the task of replacing carbon-intensive fuel oil with renewable energy for the future.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Small chips with big potential: New EU recommendations make sure 21st century bar codes respect privacy
Europeans should be able to have control over smart chips, a worldwide market set to grow five times over in the next decade, while still being able to easily use them to make everyday life simpler. There are already over 6 billion smart chips, microelectronic devices that can be integrated into a variety of everyday objects from fridges to bus passes. With Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology, they can process data automatically when brought close to 'readers' that activate them, pick up their radio signal and exchange data with them. They are in the passes you use to enter your office and the smart cards that pay highway tolls. Today, the European Commission adopted a set of recommendations to make sure that everyone involved in the design or operation of technology using smart chips respects the individual's fundamental right to privacy and data protection, contained in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union proclaimed on 14 December 2007.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

RFID: Radio Frequency IDentification: Frequently Asked Questions
"While smart chips working with RFID technology can make businesses more efficient and better organised, I am convinced they will only be welcomed in Europe if they are used by the consumers and not on the consumers. No European should carry a chip in one of their possessions without being informed precisely what they are used for, with the choice of removing or switching it off at any time. The 'Internet of Things' will only work if it is accepted by the people."
Viviane Reding, EU Commissioner for Information Society and Media

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

José Manuel Durão Barroso
President of the European Commission
Leading by Example: The EU and
Global Governance

Until recently, many people felt that the state of affairs in our globalising world was
'normal, certain and permanent'.
Then came the sub-prime crisis, the credit crunch, near financial meltdown, a
decline in international trade and a global recession.
Given the enormous gains we have made in recent years – the lifting of millions out
of poverty, the increasing interdependence that encourages greater stability and
peace - it is vital that the world does not once again turn its back on globalisation, as
a result of the global crisis. It is vital that we avoid the mistakes of the past.
There is reason to be confident. So far, the world has resisted the worst displays of
protectionism. And there is a shared understanding that this crisis presents a real
opportunity for reform. An opportunity to reinforce multilateral governance.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that the financial crisis represents a turning point
for global governance, both politically and psychologically; the emergence of the
G20 process is one sign of this. But it is up to us, the world community, to grasp this
opportunity. If we fail, history will not judge us kindly.
For its part, the EU is certainly playing, and will continue to play, a central role in
shaping the new order that is gradually emerging.

This is a interesting speech, he hits all the bases, climate change, integration within EU as well as other nations, sets Europe as the standard by which all other nations should be measured. Yet he still has time to promote the Millenium Development Goals. What comes out of this climate change meeting in Copenhagen should be interesting, not to mention the further G-20 implementations Europe adopts in the next couple months.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

José Manuel Durão Barroso
President of the European Commission
Introductory remarks at the Press Conference following his meeting with religious leaders

Brussels, 11 May 2009

I am very pleased to be here today with most eminent religious dignitaries of the three monotheist religions. We are pursuing our inter-religious dialogue. It is I believe very important to listen to the opinion of these religious leaders.

As usual, I'm in the company of the President of the EU Parliament Hans-Gert Pöttering. Thank you for coming. I was in this meeting also with my colleagues from the Commission Ján Figel', Commissioner for Education and Culture, and Joaquín Almunia, Commissioner for Economic and Financial affairs.

Today we have been discussing the serious challenges that the global economy and our societies are facing. In particular we have addressed a dimension that is all too often neglected: the importance of ethics for European and global economic governance.

As the financial and economic crisis progresses, it becomes increasingly clear that it is imperative to reconcile economic governance with the fundamental ethical values on which our European project has been based over the last 50 years.

I want to underline what I believe was the fundamental convergence during this morning's discussions.

This fundamental convergence is the need to put our emphasis on social matters, especially for the most vulnerable; that in this time of crisis we do not give up to some trends of extremism, of xenophobia, of islamophobia, or anti-semitism, or ultra nationalism; that we stand for our values, including our responsibility towards our citizens here in Europe and also in the rest of the world, namely the need to fulfil the Millennium Development Goals. The basic idea of reconciling our commitment to open economies with our commitment to social justice, which is very much the European model, or as we call it very often, the social market economy.

In the EU we are putting this as a priority. We have come with very important initiatives in terms of regulation and supervision. We try to reinforce the mechanisms of responsibility and the ethics of responsibility in our financial and economic activities. Also through the Employment summit and other initiatives, we try to put the emphasis on the priority for social matters. The most urgent priority now is to tackle unemployment.

So I think it was indeed a very important exchange of views. Last year for instance at this level we have discussed the problems of climate change; we saw how important it is to have this kind of responsibility - responsibility towards our citizens, but also responsibility towards future generations.

I think the need for dialogue is stronger than ever – between the EU and citizens, between institutions and people, between leaders from politics and from religious communities. I have been happy to see, at our meeting today, that we all remain committed to continue this dialogue. We need it to rise to today's global challenges and progress towards solutions that cannot be found in a single segment of politics or in a single segment of society alone.

Susanna said...

Bjorn, JD , and All:

Neo-Nazis screaming 'Heil Hitler' attack concentration camp survivors during memorial service for 345,000 dead.
By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 1:58 AM on 12th May 2009

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Presidents of Commission and Parliament discuss ethical contributions for European and global economic governance with European faith leaders

Today around twenty high-level representatives of Christianity, Judaism and Islam in Europe gathered at the Commission headquarters at the invitation of the President of the European Commission, José Manuel Barroso, for an informal dialogue with the EU. The meeting was co-chaired by Commission President Barroso and the President of the European Parliament, Hans-Gert Pöttering. This year's meeting focused on a major European and global challenge: The economic and financial crisis and ethical contributions for European and global economic governance.

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Member of the European Commission responsible for Regional Policy

Opening Speech on "Regional Governance in a Global context"

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Lisbon Treaty strengthens role of religion says EU

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Securing a stronger consultative role for European religions in EU policy making is another good reason to support the Lisbon Treaty, say two of the EU's most senior officials.

Speaking after a meeting with European religious leaders on Monday (11 May), European Parliament President Hans-Gert Poettering said such discussions in the future could not be guaranteed without the full ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.

Mr Pottering said the annual inter-religious dialogue between European religious leaders and the EU institutions - formalised in 2005 - were carried out on the "basis of good will" rather than because of a legal obligation.

"If the Lisbon Treaty is not ratified, with the new leaderships in the commission and the parliament, they could abolish this dialogue because legally it's not binding," he said.

He added that it is the "responsibility of Ireland" to ensure the treaty comes into effect.

The Church and Lisbon

"[The Lisbon Treaty] is the first time ever that our churches and our religious communities are included in the law of the European union," Mr Pottering said.

However, the EU's secularism, in particular politically unwillingness to include a reference to the Christian god in the Constitutional Treaty's preamble, was one reason given for conservative Christian groups' opposition to the Lisbon Treaty during the country's referendum on the document last June

So now, if the Libson fails, then so do inter-faith talks across Europe?

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Joyce said...

Thanks for the article. He's always good.


There are probably hundreds of scriptural references about Israel , and God's plan, so I'll just post a few. Amos 9 is a restoration chapter. Here's one verse but read the whole chapter:

Amos 9:14 “Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit.

Zecharaiah 12, Isaiah 11:

Is. 11:12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations And bassemble the banished ones of Israel, And will gather the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth. Then the jealousy of Ephraim will depart, And those who harass Judah will be cut off; Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah, And Judah will not harass Ephraim.

You will note, God is restoring both houses of Israel, so that we are not only talking about the Jews ( Judah, Benjamin, Levy and those attached to Judah) but we are talking about all the tribes, who will be identified by name.

Eze 47-48 about the Millennial Kingdom:

Ezek. 47:13-23Thus says the Lord GOD, “This shall be the aboundary by which you shall divide the land for an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel; Joseph shall have two portions. “You shall divide it for an inheritance, each one equally with the other; for I swore to give it to your forefathers, and this land shall fall to you as an inheritance. “This shall be the boundary of the land: on the anorth side, from the Great Sea by the way of Hethlon, to the entrance of Zedad; Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of bDamascus and the border of Hamath; Hazer-hatticon, which is by the border of Hauran. “The boundary shall 1extend from the sea to aHazar-enan at the border of Damascus, and on the north toward the north is the border of Hamath. This is the north side. “The east side, from between Hauran, Damascus, Gilead and the land of Israel, shall be the cJordan; from the north border to the eastern sea you shall measure. This is the east side.
“The south side toward the south shall extend from bTamar as far as the waters of cMeribath-kadesh, to the dbrook of Egypt and to the eGreat Sea. This is the south side toward the south. “The west side shall be the Great Sea, from the south border to a point opposite Lebo-hamath. This is the west side. “So you shall divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. “You shall divide it by alot for an inheritance among yourselves and among the baliens who stay in your midst, who bring forth sons in your midst. And they shall be to you as the native-born among the sons of Israel; they shall be allotted an cinheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. “And in the tribe with which the alien stays, there you shall give him his inheritance,” declares the Lord GOD.

God will restore ALL Israel to their inheritance which He promised. He's never stopped dealing with Israel, but what most people don't account for, including Covenant theologians is that Israel has been dispersed into the nations, and been mixed and for all intensive purposes look like Gentiles. The failure to recognize this causes people to do one of several things: say that God is done with Israel and is now dealing only with the Gentiles until the end and He will deal with Israel, who they believe are just the Jews.

The other thing people do with is say that "the church" is the "new Israel" and is the bride of Messiah, and fail to recognize that God's covenant was "renewed" or "improved" with Israel who broke it, and the nations must join themselves to God's covenants which were made with Israel. This is replacement theology.

There are those that do not believe in a literal millennial reign and believe all the prophecies of Matt 24 were fulfilled in 70 a.d. but this is impossible because there are prophecies in the Tanach that were never, ever fulfilled, so one must presume that God will fulfill them sometime in the future.

One of the prophecies that has never been fulfilled is the restoration of the whole kingdom of Israel with all the tribes. Once the Kingdom was divided after the death of Solomon it was never corporately restored and yet God says it will be in places like Ezekiel 37 to name one.

Put away the theology about "Old and New Testament" and read the Bible as a book that talks about past, present and future, so when it says "in that day" or in the "last days" or when you see something that hasn't happened yet, assume it will happen in the future. Take a lexicon and where the Bible makes a distinction between the "called out assembly" and "the church" assume that it is one and the same.

Covenant theologians are correct in saying that God has one called out people, but what they do with Israel is absorb it up into the church. I would do the exact opposite. I would say that God has one called out people, Israel, and the nations are to attach themselves to Israel. Now all Israel has not been redeemed yet, what I mean is without Messiah we have to look to the future and believe God will put "His Torah on their minds" Jer 31:31-33. This will happen through a relationship with Yeshua, when they recognize Him as their long-awaited Messiah, so right now when we look at most Jewish people people think they should "join the church" instead saying, "they will see their Messiah".

Israel is God's chosen and Israel doesn't need to "join a church". Israel needs to stay Israel and be redeemed. A redeemed Israel one day will bring great glory to God, as the nations see, He is still the God of Israel, faithful to His promises and they all go up to His holy mountain.

Look at what Isaiah says.

Is. 66:18-24“For I 1know their works and their athoughts; 2the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory. “I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations. “Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the LORD, “just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD. “I will also take some of them for apriests and for Levites,” says the LORD. “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So your offspring and your name will endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the LORD. “Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
dAnd their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Just to put that passage in context read this verse from the chapter before:

Is. 65:9 “I will bring forth offspring from Jacob,
And an heir of My mountains from Judah;
Even My chosen ones shall inherit it,
And My servants will dwell there.

The problem is that people look at an unredeemed quite secular nation of Israel, which consists only of Jews for the moment and underestimate the power of God to redeem those who He chose, and so they try to explain away hundreds and hundreds of prophecies and promises about His restoration, and in doing this, they do it to their own detriment because this will surely be a stumbling block in the last days in which we are living.

Systems of theology can be misleading because it causes people to superimpose a grid over the Bible instead of reading the text and just seeing exactly what it says. It's a little like putting God in a box. I just read the text and see what it says and believe God, since up to this point He's never failed to come through. All that to say, if a restored Israel doesn't fit into someone's theological grid, they will either explain those verses away, skip over them, call them an "Old Testament" and systematically ignore the truth of Scripture.

This is a huge subject, and too complex to cover here, but I think you can see what I'm talking about.


sarah said...

Hi Joyce,

A wonderful read, I agree with you, and Romans 11 expresses it fairly succinctly:

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."

20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith Do not be conceited, but fear;

21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,

28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

We gentiles, the wild olive, are grafted INTO Israel, the cultivated olive tree.

take care,

Joyce said...

Yes, absolutely, good passage. I would just want to chose a different translation, more accurate for the word "Gentiles" because the expression "fulness of the nations ( ethnos in Greek)" is a reference back to Genesis 48:19:

Gen. 48:19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know; he also will become a people and he also will be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and ahis descendants shall become a multitude of nations.”

The fulness of the nations has the same meaning as the multitude of nations. In the Hebrew, the word is "melo" which can mean "multitude or fulness". It is what became of Ephraim, who was promised the double portion... i.e. physical multiplicity. This physical multiplicity was accomplished when the Northern Kingdom, lead by Ephraim was sent into Assyrian exile, never to come back again, until the end when God will restore all of Israel, Judah ( the Jews) and Ephraim ( an expression used interchangeably for the Northern Kingdom) who became literally the fulness of the nations or the multitude of nations.

The Northern Kingdom are the lost sheep of the House of Israel i.e. THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE JEWS and don't know who they are. God's judgement on them for spiritual harlotry was dispersion and mixing with the nations, the gospel message goes out to the nations the Northern tribes have been hearing it and responding for centuries. Paul understood this because he quoted from the prophet Hosea who writes about this. Peter quotes from Hosea as well.

I've written about this before on this blog, and it's something that once you "see it" in Scripture, you will understand that God's redemption plan for Israel did not stop...It's been going on for centuries.. In the "fulness of the nations" all Israel will be saved..

There is an inherent connection between the nations and the sons of Israel, so when Israel came into Egypt there were 70 members of the family, and the nations named in Genesis are 70, no accidents here:

Deut. 32:8 “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,
When He separated the sons of man,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the sons of Israel.

Israel was to be a light to the nations. The living water would flow from Israel to the nations..

Ex. 15:27 Then they came to Elim where there were twelve springs of water and seventy date palms, and they camped there beside the waters.

When Israel understands...

John 7:38 “He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”

This is the living water that flows from the very throne of God..

Rev. 22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,

This is the same living water, that existed from before the beginning:

Gen. 1:7 God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters bwhich were above the expanse; and it was so.

The living water that flows from the very throne of God was there from the very beginning and Israel was the chosen vessel through which God would bring this river of life to the nations, fulfilled ultimately in Yeshua. From Yeshua's side flowed blood and water. When the nations can see this and Israel can see Yeshua, we will have true shalom:

Rev. 22:2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

When you see the river flowing, then the whole picture comes into focus. God's plan has always been to restore us to delight, because of the separation that happened through sin. Delight is the meaning of the word -eden, and the garden that God planted in delight, was planted in Him from before the foundation of the world . When we know Yeshua, we are restored to this place of delight because He is in us and we are in Him. He is in His Father...

God's plan is so simple, and when we see it, we can know ourselves in Him, in delight. There will be a total restoration one day, but while we are waiting we can live in the spiritual reality of being in Him, and He in us, in delight.. and the separation caused by sin will be swallowed up entirely:

Rev. 21:4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”


Joyce said...

The pope has promised to "cease all missionary work among Jews":

Jerusalem post:

Now, this is kind of interesting, because the Jews wanted the Catholic Church to give all the names of the Jewish kids taken in in WWII, by Catholic families whose families didn't come back and were converted to Catholicism without being told of their Jewish origins.. God will reveal their origins, but it would be nice for them to know too...not necessarily to convert to Judaism per say, but as one whose origins were hidden I know the feeling.

I'm glad that the Catholic Church will no longer try to make Jews Catholic.. I personally don't think Jews should be anything other than Jews.. That's what God made us.. however, having said that, I think that a Jew who knows their Messiah has redemption, so all of you on the blog who know Jews, you can feel free to talk to them about Yeshua, and let them know that it's not true that one has to "change religion" to believe. Religion is man's invention, not God's. God calls us into relationship, and whether we are Jew or Greek, we don't stop being a Jew or a Greek..

Religion, Judaism, Christianity, etc. has complicated this whole subject. God said to leave our homes, family, father's house and follow Him. i.e. walk in relationship with Him. He didn't say join a denomination, do a ritual conversion and join a certain synagogue, church etc.

If we attach ourselves to Him, through Yeshua paid for our sins in full, and gives us a new identity, His righteousness, we are in relationship, not in religion.. Religion is a babylonian invention and we end up trying to see what we can do to earn our own righteousness, when we have already been given the righteousness of Messiah freely.

So all of you believers out there, keep telling Jews, Muslims, Hindus, New Agers, Christians ( don't assume they know) Buddhists, atheists, Chinese, Japonese, Indians, Australians etc. about the life you have received in Messiah... This is very good news and is given freely to all. They don't have to change their race, nationality or identity.. They might have to leave religion and enter into a relationship with the living God..and renounce the things that don't conform to His Word.

Tell them that they can have all sins forgiven once and for all, and then He will give them a new identity which He empowers us to walk in. He heals the brokenhearted and sets the captives free who are enslaved to sin. helps us to forgive others. It is His work, we just abide in Him and He will help us to bear fruit. Our responsibility is just to take Him at His Word and believe..

Some people are enslaved to sin because they have never learned who they are in Him. They hang on to their old identity, which Satan is more than happy to remind them of. This is so sad. Yeshua said that we should "go make disciples" that means students of His. He didn't say to make Catholics, Baptists, Messianics, Protestants, Methodists, He said "diciples" or in Hebrew "talmadin"

That doesn't mean we won't go and worship somewhere or be part of a body, but our walk is with HIm, and our identity is Yeshua's righteousness... The walk will follow, once we understand this. That's a lifelong process...and we all keep learning..


Jaclyn said...

Thank you Joyce, I will make note of your post. Yes, I read Romans 11 yesterday and thought it completely supported the fact that God is not finished with Israel.

I have never needed to discuss this issue before as the churches we had always attended supported that view.

We now attend a Reformed Baptist church and I was surprised to learn their position on Israel, it seems to be such an obvious departure from Scripture.

Thanks again for the help, blessings to all.

Susanna said...

POSTWAR CATHOLICS, JEWISH CHILDREN AND A RUSH TO JUDGEMENTPope Pius XII never told Catholic groups to keep 'hidden' Jewish children from their families after World War II.

BY: Ronald J. Rychlak

When it comes to criticizing Pope Pius XII (or, frankly, almost any aspect of the Catholic Church), some people can barely contain themselves. So it was with the newest "discovery" that appeared to cast a bad light on the Catholic Church during the World War II era. The New York Times and many other publications reported the finding of a French document, purportedly authorized by the Vatican, saying that church authorities should not return "hidden" Jewish children to their families after the war if they had been baptized. Long before any serious study could take place, critics were in the press explaining how this document proved that Pius was indeed an evil man.
First, to set the stage: During World War II, many Jewish people sought refuge in the homes of Christians. Pope Pius XII threw open all of the buildings under his charge in Rome and set the example, encouraging Catholics to shelter Jews from the Nazis. All across occupied Europe, Jewish families hid in Catholic homes. Some Jewish children were placed with Catholic institutions. Many of their parents did not survive the war.

While the children had to "pass" as Catholics, outward appearances were usually sufficient to deceive the Nazis. Canon 750 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which was supplemented during World War II by orders from the Holy See and the French bishops, made clear that hidden Jewish children were not to be baptized without parental consent. In fact, classes were often established to let the Jewish children study their own religion-for example, in the basement of a convent where the children were staying. Nevertheless, some Catholics did indeed baptize the children-perhaps out of their own faith conviction, or as an effort to further deceive the Nazis. This complicated the post-war question about what to do with children whose parents had been killed by the Nazis. While the numbers vary widely, it could be estimated that around 10,000-20,000 were orphaned and were in the custody of Catholic institutions or families in France. A small percentage had been baptized.

Enter the new discovery: On December 28, 2004 an Italian professor from Bologna named Alberto Melloni published an article in the Italian newspaper Il Corriere della Sera entitled "Pius XII to Nuncio Roncalli: Do Not Return the Jewish Children." The article cited a document that Melloni claimed to have received from an unidentified archive in France. This document [read it], dated October 23, 1946, was said to be "a disposition of the Holy Office" (the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's former name), and it purportedly contained Pope Pius XII's directives to his representative in France-Archbishop Angelo Roncalli, the future Pope John XXIII-on how to handle the Jewish children, especially any who had been baptized by their Catholic rescuers.

According to Melloni, the letter said: "Children who have been baptized must not be entrusted to institutions that cannot ensure their Christian education." Also according to Melloni, the letter said that children whose families survived the Holocaust should be returned, "as long as they had not been baptized." The clear implication was that baptized Jewish children should not be returned to their families. Melloni quoted the letter as saying: "It should be noted that this decision taken by the Holy Congregation of the Holy Office has been approved by the Holy Father."

But was this document authentic? The New York Times reported that the letter was made available to it "on the condition that the source would not be disclosed." This, in and of itself, should have set off alarms on the heels of the recent CBS memo scandal. Moreover, the letter was not signed, not on Vatican letterhead, and Vatican officials immediately noted that the words used were not typical for directives from the Vatican. Importantly, the letter was in French, not in Italian as it would have been had this actually been an instruction from the Pope to his nuncio.

During and after the war, Archbishop Roncalli certainly never acted in a way that Melloni's report said he was instructed to act. In fact, he has been repeatedly praised for all he did to assist Jewish refugees. When he was thanked for having saved so many Jewish lives during the war, he gave all credit to Pius XII (whom, according to his private papers, he "venerated and loved").

To its credit, The New York Times at least mentioned that Melloni's report had been questioned. Jesuit Father Peter Gumpel, a Vatican historian who recently completed an eight-volume study of Pius XII's life, was quoted as saying: "There is something fishy here." He understood at once that the document did not come from the Vatican.

Like any good historian, Fr. Gumpel undertook an investigation to discover exactly what was behind Melloni's report. More on that in a moment. Let us first see how the would-be historians reacted.

Daniel Goldhagen, author of the sharply critical book "A Moral Reckoning," in the Italian newspaper Il Corriere della Sera and in the Forward called for the establishment of an international commission to investigate the Catholic Church's handling of Jewish children. He used the new memo to call Pius XII an "anti-Semitic pope" who was "one of the most rampant would-be-kidnappers of modern times."

Regarding Melloni's unsigned letter, Goldhagen argued that it "reveals that the pope's and the church's policy was, in effect, to kidnap Jewish children, perhaps by the thousands....Its plain purpose was to implement a plan that would cruelly victimize the Jews a second time by depriving these bodily and spiritually wounded survivors of the Nazi hell of their own children." He concluded by telling the Church of today that it "should cease efforts to canonize Pius XII."

Other critics, like Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, similarly blame Pius XII for "kidnapping" Jewish children. Revelations from journalists and historians in France now reveal, however, that the critics of Pope Pius XII rushed to judgment.

Melloni's article was based on a bad translation (perhaps an intentional fraud) of instructions that were sent from Msgr. Domenico Tardini, a top Vatican official, to leaders of the Church in France. Giving Melloni the benefit of the doubt, the document may have been fabricated by a Catholic who, in 1946, wanted to keep their Jewish child. Alternatively, Melloni may have fabricated it. We do know his version was not from the Vatican. The instructions dealt with Jewish children who had been entrusted to the Church for safekeeping and with inquiries about them from outside organizations.

Melloni did not identify the archive from which his document came, but Italian journalist Andrea Tornielli was able to track down the original Italian instructions [read English text] in the Centre National des Archives de l'Eglise de France.

The amazing thing is that the instructions are almost exactly the opposite of Melloni's account, which was so enthusiastically embraced by the papal critics. Nowhere do they suggest that Jewish children should be kept from their families-precisely the opposite!

The instructions said that if institutions (not families) wanted to take those children who had been entrusted to the Church, each case had to be examined individually. Some such institutions may have been trying to take the children to Palestine, to help populate the new Jewish homeland.

Indeed, there was special concern about baptized children. In some cases, their parents had requested baptism, perhaps because they thought that would best protect the children. In those cases, the Church would breach its obligation to the parents if it turned the children over to the wrong organization. In other cases, when Catholic rescuers had baptized Jewish children without consent of the Jewish parents, the Church was still concerned about turning the children over to organizations that were not associated with the children's family.

As for the rest of the children, the instructions provided: "also those children who were not baptized and who no longer have living relatives, having been entrusted to the Church, which has taken them under its care, as long as they are not able to decide for themselves, they cannot be abandoned by the Church or delivered to parties who have no right to them." There were very few facilities fit for children in Palestine or war-torn Europe.

The document made clear that these instructions related solely to institutions, most likely Jewish humanitarian organizations wanting to relocate orphaned children to Jewish homes after the war: "Things would be different if the children were requested by their relatives." This qualification changes the entire meaning of the instructions; these instructions did not relate to children being sought by their parents or other relatives. This is completely different from what the initial news reports led people to believe.
Note: For all anyone knew, these purportedly "Jewish" institutions trying to claim Jewish children could have been fronts for neo-Nazi groups looking to continue the "final solution" where Hitler left off.

Archbishop Loris Capovilla, secretary to Nuncio Roncalli during and after the war, explained the need for close scrutiny of organizations: "It was then natural to screen the situations case by case, paying the highest attention to those who knocked on the door to reclaim the children: What should those [Catholic] families have done? Give the children raised together with their own to those who first presented themselves? The Church did nothing other than to counsel a rule of prudence, and to watch over the protection of the little ones." Archbishop Capovilla said that he was not aware of any case in which a Jewish child was impeded from re-entering his or her natural family.

These Vatican instructions regarding the return of Jewish children were prompted by a meeting between the Pope and Chief Rabbi Isaac Herzog of Palestine in March 1946. In a surviving letter sent at that time, the rabbi expressed his profound thanks for the "thousands of children who were hidden in Catholic institutions." Herzog noted that Pius XII "has worked to banish anti-Semitism in many countries" and concluded with an invocation: "God willing, may history remember that when everything was dark for our people, His Holiness lit a light of hope for them."

The Palestine Post (March 31, 1946) reported that Rabbi Herzog "told of his audience with the Pope, who had received him on a Sunday early in March. Their conversation...was mainly on the subject of the 8,000 Jewish children in Poland, France, Belgium and Holland who were [being] brought up in monasteries and by Christian families. He had the Vatican's promise of help to bring those children back into the Jewish fold."

The Pope must have come through on that promise, because Rabbi Herzog continued to praise his conduct toward the Jewish community throughout the Pope's life. As Dr. Leon Kubowitzky, of the World Jewish Congress, said in 1964: "I can state now that I hardly know of a single case where Catholic institutions refused to return Jewish children."

There are very few cases (seven, based on my latest information) where a petition from a Catholic parent who did not want to return Jewish children to their natural parents made its way to the Pope. Each time, Pius instructed that the children should be returned to their families.

Consider the case of the Polish Catholic woman Leokadia Jaromirska, who was later honored as a Righteous Gentile. She sought the Pope's permission to keep the little girl whom she was raising as a Catholic even though the Jewish father had returned. In his book "Avenue of the Righteous" (1980), author Peter Hellman reports that Jaromirska "was instructed by the Pope to return the child to its father." The Pope explained that it "was her duty as a Catholic not only to give back the child, but do it with good will and in friendship."

The European press has now fully exposed the falsehood of Melloni's account. In a front-page story entitled "The real document of Pius XII and the Jewish children," the Italian newspaper Il Giornale compared the text of the original document to Melloni's claims and vindicated Pope Pius XII. A different article in that same issue, entitled "The Hasty Scoop of Professor Melloni," chastised Melloni for publishing an incomplete document. The paper Il Foglio explained: "Now it is no longer a case of Pius XII. It is no longer a case of Roncalli. It is now a case of Melloni." Jewish historian Michael Tagliacozzo, a leading authority on (and survivor of) the 1943 Nazi roundup of Roman Jews, wrote in the Italian newspaper Avvenire: "Pius XII kidnapper of children? But let us be done with such foolishness!" Tagliacozzo confirmed that Jewish children were "returned to their parents as soon as possible."

Had the American critics actually investigated this story (or even if they had waited just a few weeks while others did), they would not have embarrassed themselves. The critics' rush to judgment probably got them headlines that are denied to true scholars. By drawing hasty conclusions, they have once again smeared a good man-Pope Pius XII-and the Catholic Church.

NOTE: Ronald J. Rychlak is a Professor of Law at the University of Mississippi, author of Hitler, the War and the Pope (2000), and a contributor to The Pius War (2004).

Joyce said...

Glad to be of help.


Anonymous said...

Thanks for that post Susanna,

People need to get their facts straight. I hope the Pope will continue to press for an indepth investigation into World War 2 archives, and won't give up until it's done.

As for missionizing there are plenty of ways to tell the Gospel story without actually using the "Word" or preaching. St Francis of Assisi said preach the Gospel and use words if necessary.

Some Christians make it seem like before the printing press was invented which made Bibles easily accesible, nobody was taught about Christianity.

Christians had to rely on more creative means of conveying the Gospel message, such as art, music, and the like.

Just the other day, I had a discussion with an agnostic friend, he said if Christianity was true, Christians would not have done horrible things. I told him that actually proves Christianity is true and went on to explain how the paradoxes of Christianty actually tell the human story. He became very quiet all of a sudden. I asked him what happened. He said "I am thinking, I am thinking". A seed was sown that day without even a Bible or overt preaching.

Jesus preached without preaching, Jesus used parables to convey deep spiritual messages.

If people don't want to be preached to, then let's not preach. It doesn't mean that the Gospel message still cannot be conveyed.


Anonymous said...

This one is really odd

Len said...


To Anon 3:40 PM

The Cathederal is the mother church of the Episcopal Diocese of New York and the seat of its Bishop.


Len said...


Sarah wrote: "26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,

Dear Sarah,

I know this is in the New Testament but you should know that it is a mistranslation of Isaiah 59:20 which actually says:

20 And a redeemer shall come to Zion, and to those who repent of transgression in Jacob, says the Lord. 21 "As for Me, this is My covenant with them," says the Lord. "My spirit, which is upon you and My words that I have placed in your mouth, shall not move from your mouth or from the mouth of your seed and from the mouth of your seed's seed," said the Lord, "from now and to eternity."

This does NOT say that the redeemer will take away our sins but, rather, he will redeem those who repent of their sins. The "words" mentione in Vs 21 are those of the eternal Torah.

Peace and blessing,

sarah said...

Hi Len,

Quick question -

Who says it's a mistranslation?

take care,

Anonymous said...

we have been in trouble for a long time... clinton...bush...obama.... same group of people put these men in office and all have one purpose....

Eventually we will hear that the cry for "peace....peace...." has been answered. And then all hell will break loose.

look out. Even if the dots can not ALL be traced.... the picture will be made clear. Keep up the good work!


Len said...


Dear Susanna,

I am reprinting two articles on the subject of Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust. The first one, here, is a critical review of Daniel Goldhagen's article in the New Republic based on his book, book, Hitler's Willing Executioners." I had a link to it but it is broken.

The second, in the next message, is a Wall St. Journal article by the late editor Robert Barkeley.

Jewish World Review Jan. 22, 2001 /9 Shevat 5762

Sam Schulman

Goldhagen to Christianity: Whatever You're Doing, Stop It!

Daniel Jonah Goldhagen has done it again.

He's taken a stupefying commonplace which "everybody knows" - in this case, the boringly ubiquitous charge that the Catholic Church under Pius XII bears significant responsibility for failing to rescue the Jews and even for causing the Holocaust - and announcing that he has a mission to bring it to the world's attention. And in doing so, implicitly taking credit for the commonplace.

Goldhagen has made a career out of erasing distinctions. Two years ago, he called down upon the entire Serbian people the guilt for the supposed mass murders that Milosevic seemed to have been responsible. In his famous book, he declared that the entire German population was essentially as guilty as Hitler.

Now he's made some other discoveries.

He's discovered that Christianity was anti-Jewish for its entire 2,000-year history.

He's discovered that the Catholic Church is - like the Protestant Churches and Islam - inherently committed to the belief that in religious terms, the Jews are in error. And - horrors - that the Catholic Church is not.

He's discovered that the Nazis hated Jews too - enough to try to kill them all.

So - hey presto - the Catholic Church must be considered culpable "for the Holocaust itself."

Because - if it weren't for the Church - how would those dim Nazis ever 'invented exactly their murderous brand of anti-Semitism out of thin air?"

It's bloody suspicious, now you come to think of it.

Unfortunately, he's also discovered the long, tendentious, polemical books written by bitter ex-Roman Catholics like Garry Wills and James Carroll. In 24 interminable pages of The New Republic, he repeats at great length the arguments of these anti-Catholic polemicists, he suppresses any mention of the facts which complicate their arguments, he makes leaps of illogic that most undergraduates would never have dare to make - and in general makes a muddle of any attempt to sort out blame, judgment and understanding.

Let's be fair to Mr. Goldhagen. In his defense, he doesn't seem to have done a speck of original research. In fact, Goldhagen has made another discovery: He's discovered that if you ignore actually doing history, and merely compile summarize the polemics of others, no one will stop calling you an historian.

Goldhagen lays out his argument like a prosecuting attorney (writing like a badly educated prosecuting attorney), not an historian who must account for all the evidence.

So here's just a few bits of evidence you won't find addressed in Goldhagen's article.

Any consideration of why Catholics and the Catholic Church only - and not also Protestant Churches - should be held responsible for the holocaust.

Any reminder that the Protestant Churches of Germany were equally - and in the view of most contemporary observers - much more supportive of the Nazis, and that the German state was traditionally Protestant rather than Catholic.

Any account of how Vatican radio, under the direct supervision of Pius XII before he was Pope, gave sympathetic coverage to the plight of German Jews before the war, asking Catholics to pray for their welfare after the Nuremberg Laws, for example, and reporting the horrors of Kristallnacht.

Any account of Pius XII's 1935 open letter to the bishop of Cologne, Germany, in which he declared that Nazis were "false prophets with the pride of Lucifer." As David G. Dalin wrote in the Weekly Standard, 'That same year, he assailed ideologies "possessed by the superstition of race and blood" to an enormous crowd of pilgrims at Lourdes. At Notre Dame in Paris two years later, he named Germany "that noble and powerful nation whom bad shepherds would lead astray into an ideology of race."

Any account of how Pius XII - a not unprejudiced man - was nonetheless "widely lampooned in the Nazi press as Pius XI's "Jew-loving" cardinal, because of the more than fifty-five protests he sent the Germans as the Vatican secretary of state (Dalin)."

Any awareness that not only Catholic Christians but also Protestant Christians, Orthodox Christians, and atheists tended unfairly to blame the Jews for Bolshevism, because so many Jews were prominent in the Russian Revolution and in the government which followed.

Any suggestion that when the Pope condemned the Nazi sway of terror over the occupied Poland - calling them to account for their barbaric treatment of civilians - that he might have meant Polish Jews as well as Polish Christians.

Goldhagen says that Pius XII's 1939 encyclical against the Nazis "was not a general condemnation of Nazism" and its condemnation of racism did not help the Jews. But he doesn't mention that it seemed anti-Nazi enough for the Allies to risk the lives of airmen to drop printed copies over Nazi Germany as propaganda, and for the New York Times to hail it. Sorry, your holiness. By Goldhagen it wasn't good enough.

Goldhagen says that Pius XII intervened only to save Christians, not Jews. But as Dalin tells it, "when French bishops issued pastoral letters in 1942 attacking deportations, Pius sent his nuncio to protest to the Vichy government against 'the inhuman arrests and deportations of Jews from the French-occupied zone to Silesia and parts of Russia.' Vatican Radio commented on the bishops' letters six days in a row-at a time when listening to Vatican Radio was a crime in Germany and Poland for which some were put to death. ("Pope Is Said to Plead for Jews Listed for Removal from France," the New York Times headline read on August 6, 1942, and editorialized "the pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism." "Vichy Seizes Jews; Pope Pius Ignored," the Times reported three weeks later.) In retaliation, in the fall of 1942, Goebbels's office distributed ten million copies of a pamphlet naming Pius XII as the "pro-Jewish pope" and explicitly citing his interventions in France."

In spite of all this, Goldhagen says - again and again and again - that "Pius XII never privately instructed [the catholic clergy] to do whatever they could to save Jews. He did not protest or instruct others to do whatever they could to hide Jews [from German deportation] including from his own city, [anybody? anybody? anybody?] Rome." But beginning in October 1943, Pius did just that. In Rome - that's where the Pope lives - 155 convents and monasteries sheltered 5,000 Jews. Pius XII's own summer residence sheltered 3,000. As Dalin puts it, "Sixty Jews lived for nine months at the Gregorian University, and many were sheltered in the cellar of the pontifical biblical institute. Hundreds found sanctuary within the Vatican itself. Following Pius's instructions, individual Italian priests, monks, nuns, cardinals, and bishops were instrumental in preserving thousands of Jewish lives. Cardinal Boetto of Genoa saved at least eight hundred. The bishop of Assisi hid three hundred Jews for over two years. The bishop of Campagna and two of his relatives saved 961 more in Fiume. Cardinal Pietro Palazzini, then assistant vice rector of the Seminario Romano, hid Michael Tagliacozzo and other Italian Jews at the seminary (which was Vatican property) for several months in 1943 and 1944."

It's not simply facts that are ignored. Goldhagen is incapable of accounting for the complexity of world politics and the nature of religion itself. He declares, for example, that a non-anti-Semitic Catholic Pope would have ordered his priests not to confess a single member of the German army and civil population. He suggests that, barring this order, the priests became "partners in this mass murdering onslaught.

That those who actually conducted the mass killing of Jews could have made an honest confession - could be regarded as practicing Catholics at all - is, of course, impossible.

There are real questions here, of course. If Pius had acted differently, could more Jews have been saved? Could Pius have acted differently? Was he as good as he should have been? Was he as wise or courageous as he should have been? These are all perfectly arguable questions - and not one of them can be answered using Goldhagen's bulldozing approach. And the same questions could be asked of FDR, Churchill, and Rabbi Stephen J. Wise. That these questions can be asked does not suggest that these gentlemen were complicitous or sympathetic with the Nazi war against the Jews. But Pius XII - who was surrounded by German power - is held to a higher standard.

Still, - do Goldhagen's lack of learning and his inability to think or sort out evidence have any more than academic consequences? I think so.

Here's the danger. Goldhagen is, as usual, quoting the egregious James Carroll here, but he endorses this ridiculous and badly-expressed sentiment: "The German people [during the Holocaust] maintained their ostensible Christian identity - which is why the question about . . . acquiescence in genocidal crimes is a question about the content of that identity."

In other words, Christianity leads inexorably to the Holocaust - it caused it.

Never mind that Hitler and his minions despised Christianity and plotted against it, never mind that there was a deeply anti-Christian impulse in central German government since the founding of the German state, never mind that Pius XII told his people that Hitler was the Antichrist. In the view of Goldhagen and the wacky Catholic Carroll, there's something inherently Christian in being a Nazi. As Garry Wills likes to say in his risible book Papal Sin, the Nazis who conducted the holocaust were "persecuting Christians."

Why is Nazism Christian? Um, well, because Nazism occurred in Germany, which was a mainly Christian country. And look - the only people through history to oppose the Jews were - people who weren't Jewish! And the Pope - he's the boss of all the Christians, isn't he? And Pius XII was Pope when the Holocaust took place.

It looks ridiculous put this way - but that, in essence, is Goldhagen's argument.

For those who think this way about Christianity, implicating the Catholic Church in particular is crucial. It's not that Catholicism is all that powerful - but it is the only supranational Christian institution. If it can be successfully be associated with Nazism, then Christianity itself is irreparably tainted. That's why the German Protestants, who were certainly more Nazified than German Catholics, and by far more influential in the Third Reich, get their mysterious free pass.

For an uncomprehending and unsympathetic non-Christian like Goldhagen to lend himself to this effort is simply idiotic. To manufacture a seamless identity between anti-Jewish gentiles (and renegade Jews) and Christianity - well, it's precisely the same argument made against the Jews for their "responsibility" for Communism, and the mass murders - equally horrific - that attend upon it.

Goldhagen - who has made a career out of erasing the distinctions between moral monsters and ordinary people caught up in the grip of history - does us Jews no favor by it. It's one thing for Carroll to condemn, from what I can see, virtually everything about his religion - including the passion of the Christian Messiah and the symbol of the Cross itself. But Carroll - whom Goldhagen ludicrously calls "a devout Catholic" - is at least talking about his own church. He's somebody else's problem. Goldhagen, who is intellectually and imaginatively unable to comprehend the religion Carroll caricatures, is not a Christian, and would be well-advised to let poor Carroll sort it out with his own fellow-non-believers. Otherwise, he begins to throw charges about which are uncomfortably close to those which the Jewish people have suffered for centuries - not out of maliciousness, but from genuine dimwittedness which shines through every awkward, goofy sentence he writes.

For Goldhagen, there is only a dead end. In his blinkered view, one cannot be Christian without being anti-Jewish, and anything which white people who are anti-Jewish do is essentially informed by Christianity. That is all he feels one has to know, and all one can know. Poor Goldhagen lives in a closed world, at odds with reality, deeply incurious about Nazism, Christianity, human nature, history, and the history of the Jews. Goldhagen is the last person to undertake the task of telling Christians "what would Jesus have done" - because , poor fellow, he can't possibly have a clue.

JWR contributor Sam Schulman is a New York writer whose work appears in New York Press, the Spectator (London), and elsewhere, and was formerly publisher of Wigwag and a professor of English at Boston University.

© 2000 by Sam Schulman

Len said...


Sorry! That is Robert Bartley:


Christians, Jews and Wotan

Updated March 25, 2002

Holy Week is by no means all sweetness and light. This Friday Christians mark the crucifixion, a terrible event redeemed by the resurrection three days later. The Jews gather on Thursday for Passover, celebrating the Exodus from slavery as the angel of death skipped Jewish homes during Egypt's tenth plague, the killing of the firstborn.

So perhaps it's not an inappropriate time to discuss another terrible topic, the Holocaust, and in particular the divisive issue of Christian culpability in the Nazi genocide of the Jews. It is not the purpose here to dismiss the long history of anti-Semitism in Christian lands. By now most Christians agree this was a sin, and its legacy surely played an important role in laying a groundwork for the Nazis and in muting opposition to the "final solution."

It is the purpose, however, to stress one point that seldom receives due emphasis. To wit, the Nazi leaders and ideologues were not Christians. They were pagan, some quite explicitly. For the rest, the ancient myths celebrated in Wagner became a pillar of their doctrine of Teutonic racial superiority.

Nazism was itself a "political religion," Cardiff University historian Michael Burleigh stresses in his magisterial "The Third Reich: A New History." It sought to displace the traditional church and command spiritual authority as well as temporal. Its special animus toward Jews was not religious but racial, and it "had one foot in the dark irrationalist world of Teutonic myth, where heroic doom was regarded positively, and where the stakes were all or nothing -- national and racial redemption or perdition."

The Nazi attack on Christianity was widely understood at the end of World War II. William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" recounts the Nazi plan for the Christian churches: It included an intention to "exterminate irrevocably . . . the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800." Current denominations would be replaced by the National Church. Its altars would have only a copy of "Mein Kampf," with a sword to the left. The Christian Cross would be removed, replaced "by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika."

The Nazi's aggressive paganism is far less understood today. At one presidential prayer breakfast, Bill Clinton offered the opinion that "Adolf Hitler preached a perverted form of Christianity." I remember a night with my own rabbi on matters Jewish, Seth Lipsky, then editor of the Forward and now embarked on the audacious enterprise of launching a new daily newspaper in New York. When I read Shirer's description, he exclaimed, "You'd better get that scoop in the newspaper."

Too, the Nuremberg Project of the Rutgers Journal of Law and Opinion made some headlines by publishing a 1945 document prepared by William Donovan's Office of Strategic Services, "The Nazi Master Plan: the Persecution of the Christian Churches" (see /publications/law-religion/nuremberg.htm). Papers such as the Philadelphia Inquirer and New York Times thought it news that the Nazis had sought to suppress Christianity.

Among scholars, by contrast, the pagan roots are not controversial. In 1998, the Vatican issued a seminal statement, "We Remember: Reflections on the Shoah." It asserted, "The Shoah was the work of a thoroughly modern neo-pagan regime. Its anti-Semitism had its roots outside of Christianity and, in pursuing its aims, it did not hesitate to oppose the Church and persecute her members also." The World Jewish Congress response affirmed this assertion, "It is true that the National Socialist regime adopted a pagan ideology which rejected the Church."

In the WJC response this is a passing comment amid complaints that the Vatican had not adequately addressed its statement's next sentence: "But it may be asked whether the Nazi persecution of the Jews was not made easier by the anti-Jewish prejudices imbedded in some Christian minds and hearts. Did anti-Jewish sentiment among Christians make them less sensitive, or even indifferent, to the persecutions…?"

Reading these two documents, I come away with the impression that the WJC complaints score points on the margin; the Vatican did not need to say that "many" Christians offered help to Jews, for example. But as a whole the Vatican statement is forthcoming, and surely the church is entitled to cite some of the sermons and statements responding to Nazism by condemning racism and affirming the church teaching of the unity of the human race.

I came to an interest in this issue via a circuitous route. Dow Jones & Co. is controlled by a family we call the Bancrofts, and one of its most interesting members was Mary Bancroft, who recorded her wartime adventures in a book, "Autobiography of a Spy." She spent the war in Switzerland as assistant to and mistress of OSS chief Allen Dulles. ("We can let the work cover the romance -- and the romance cover the work," he told her.) She was also a patient of psychoanalytic pioneer Carl Gustav Jung, who published a 1936 article on the Nazis entitled "Wotan."

Jung believed in a collective unconscious, citing the similar symbols and motifs in mythologies around the world and their appearance in dreams. This position was instrumental in his split with Sigmund Freud. In the Nazis Jung saw an upwelling of the German collective unconscious, the resurgence of pagan gods. He saw the advent of the Nazis as powerful evidence on his side of the dispute with Freud. Because of this, his biographer Frank McLynn held, "Jung sometimes wrote about the upsurge of Wotan from the unconscious in triumphalist terms." This, along with cranky right-wing aristocratic views, left him with the image of a Nazi sympathizer.

One does not have to accept Jung's psychological apparatus, let alone his political views, to recognize that the Nazis represented something inescapably primitive at work in the heart of Europe. The Cambodian killing fields and Rwandan genocide show that the beast is still at large elsewhere in the world, and on the fringes of Europe "ethnic cleansing" has reappeared. Unarguably the Jewish Holocaust remains uniquely horrible, but if we fail to understand its pagan roots, we may miss what it teaches about the nature of us all.

Updated March 25, 2002

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

..Helping Christians Reconcile God With Science

For many young Christians, the moment they first notice discrepancies in the Biblical tales they've faithfully studied is a rite of passage: e.g., if Adam and Eve were the first humans, and they had two sons - where did Cain's wife come from? The revelation that everything in the Bible may not have happened exactly as written can be startling. And when the discovery comes along with scientific evidence of evolution and the actual age of planet Earth, it can prompt a full-blown spiritual crisis.

That's where Francis Collins would like to step in. A renowned geneticist and former director of the Human Genome Project, Collins is also an evangelical Christian who was the keynote speaker at the 2007 National Prayer Breakfast, and he has spent years establishing the compatibility between science and religious belief. And this week he unveiled a new initiative to guide Christians through scientific questions while holding firm to their faith. (Finding God on YouTube)

After his best-selling The Language of God came out three years ago, Collins began receiving thousands of e-mails - primarily from other Evangelicals - asking questions about how to reconcile scriptural teachings with scientific evidence. "Many of these Christians have been taught that evolution is wrong," Collins explains. "They go to college and get exposed to data, and then they're thrust into personal crises of great intensity. If the church was wrong about the origins of life, was it wrong about everything? Some of them walk away from science or faith - or both."

Collins, 59, who with his mustache and shock of gray hair looks like former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton's cheerful twin, seems genuinely pained by the idea that science could be viewed as a threat to religion, or religion to science. And so he decided to gather a group of theologians and scientists to create the BioLogos Foundation in order to foster dialogue between the two sides. The name - combining bios (Greek for "life") and logos ("the word") - is also what Collins calls his blended theory of evolution and creation, an approach he hopes can replace intelligent design, which he derides as "not a scientific proposal" and "not good theology either."

Through the Washington-based foundation, Collins says he and his colleagues hope to support scholarship that "takes seriously the claims of both faith and science." Its online component,, is designed to be a resource for skeptics and nonbelievers who are interested in religious arguments for God's existence. But the primary audience for BioLogos is Collins' own Evangelical community.

All I can say is uggghh! A key note speaker at the National Prayer Breakfast should be an idea of what side of the fence this comes from.

Len said...

September 23, 2004, 8:35 a.m.
Fighting Anti-Semitism with Faith
Europe’s Christian heritage is its deepest source of tolerance.

By Joseph Loconte

Anonymous said...

"In other words, Christianity leads inexorably to the Holocaust - it caused it."

WOW - now that is a claim.

What a friend I have in the Lord Jesus Christ - by the shedding of His Holy, Righteous Blood upon the cross, my sins are forgiven and not remembered as far as the east is from the west.

Len said...


Sarah asked: "Who says [Rom. 11:226-27] a mistranslation?"

Dear Sarah,

I say so based on any of many Jewish translations of Isaiah you want to cite. Here is an on-line one for you:

20. And a redeemer shall come to Zion, and to those who repent of transgression in Jacob, says the Lord.

This is the Judaica Press translation; one of the very best. But all of them support this and none at all have your version.

Do you think that Christianized translations of Hebrew are more faithful than the Jewish ones?

This is not the only mistranslation of the many paraphrased NT quotes of the Jewish Scriptures. I am just correcting errors and will not bring up others unless and until I see them used.

Peace and blessing,

Susanna said...

Dear Len 3:42

Thank you, Len and BRAVO! Your comments and articles are spot on!

Anyone who knows me knows that I would be (in fact I am) the first one to drop the hammer on ANY Roman Catholic peddling anti-Semitism, and I wouldn't care if it were a priest, bishop, Cardinal or even a Pope!

In fact, I have already mentioned the pro-Nazi Bishop Alois Hudal who was reportedly involved in helping Nazis to escape vis a vis the "ratlines" after World War II.

Even before the War, Hudal had run afoul of the Vatican by proposing a "truly Christian National Socialism" in his booklet on the basic foundations of National Socialism.

In this booklet, Hudal openly questioned the Vatican policy of Pope Pius XI and Eugenio Pacelli towards National Socialism, which culminated in the same year in the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, in which the Vatican openly attacked National Socialism. THIS was the encyclical that the French made copies of and dropped over Germany in 1937.

When all was said and done, however, Hudal represented only a small minority of Catholic clergymen who had wandered off the Catholic reservation and onto Nazi turf.

Ultimately, Nazism is PAGAN! If Nazism succeeded at times in appearing to be "Christian," this is because it had begun to infiltrate Christianity - BOTH Catholic and Protestant - and was tricking out its pagan beliefs in "Christian" wraps - just as gnostics and Manichaean/Cathars did in the past - just as the neo-Nazis are doing today.

By the way, I posted the following article a few months ago, but I think it is worth posting it again.

The article explains the TRUE origins of the Hitler's Pope Myth.

Here is the article from the National Review Online that I posted a few months ago.

January 25, 2007


The KGB made corrupting the Church a priority


In February 1960, Nikita Khrushchev approved a super-secret plan for destroying the Vatican’s moral authority in Western Europe. The idea was the brainchild of KGB chairman Aleksandr Shelepin and Aleksey Kirichenko, the Soviet Politburo member responsible for international policies. Up until that time, the KGB had fought its “mortal enemy” in Eastern Europe, where the Holy See had been crudely attacked as a cesspool of espionage in the pay of American imperialism, and its representatives had been summarily jailed as spies. Now Moscow wanted the Vatican discredited by its own priests, on its home territory, as a bastion of Nazism.

Eugenio Pacelli, by then Pope Pius XII, was selected as the KGB’s main target, its incarnation of evil, because he had departed this world in 1958. “Dead men cannot defend themselves” was the KGB’s latest slogan. Moscow had just gotten a black eye for framing and imprisoning a living Vatican prelate, József Cardinal Mindszenty, the primate of Hungary, in 1948. During the 1956 Hungarian Revolution he had escaped from jail and found asylum in the U.S. Embassy in Budapest, where he began writing his memoirs. As the details of how he had been framed became known to Western journalists, he was widely seen as a saintly hero and martyr.

Because Pius XII had served as the papal nuncio in Munich and Berlin when the Nazis were beginning their bid for power, the KGB wanted to depict him as an anti-Semite who had encouraged Hitler’s Holocaust. The hitch was that the operation was not to give the least hint of Soviet bloc involvement. The whole dirty job had to be carried out by Western hands, using evidence from the Vatican itself. That would correct another mistake made in the case of Mindszenty, who had been framed with counterfeit Soviet and Hungarian documents. (On February 6, 1949, just days before Mindszenty’s trial ended, Hanna Sulner, the Hungarian handwriting expert who had fabricated the “evidence” used to frame the cardinal, escaped to Vienna and displayed microfilms of the “documents” on which the show trial was founded. Hanna demonstrated, in an excruciatingly detailed testimony, that all were forged documents, “some ostensibly in the cardinal’s hand, others bearing his supposed signature,” produced by her.)..
read entire article...


Again, Len, many thanks.

Peace and Blessings,


Anonymous said...

Hmmmm, lets see - old testimant - verses new testiment - no miss transaltion - just lack of being able to flex your neck and see without having to turn on lights.

Some would call it blatant christian bashing.

History Maker said...

Hi, Len. I was talking to my son just this morning about Leviticus 16, and was reminded of our discussion as I read your comment about the mistranslation of Isaiah 59:20. Specifically, we talked about the sacrifice of the goat for the sins of the people and verses 20-22 "When Aaron has finished making atonement for the Most Holy Place, the Tent of Meeting and the altar, he shall bring forward the live goat. He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat's head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a solitary place; and the man shall release it in the desert."

Yes, we must repent, as Aaron did when he confessed the sins of the people over the second goat. It's also clear to me that Jesus took the place of both goats- the one sacrificed and the one who carries away sins. (Also see Hebrews 9.)


Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...


I need some help, my wife, recently came home and told me her boss was starting an enrgy bus. When I questioned what this meant, she told me it involved positive reinforcement, positive thinking, team building, etc. She came home today informing me this was based on an author by the name of Jon Gordon. A small peek at his website brings up most of the obvious red flags, however I am not familiar with his work itself.

She is not as familiar with some of the typical things that are intwined in these type of motivational speakers, however from the small amount she has been exposed to, she is already uncomfortable. Her boss states to be a believing christian, yet seems to have fallen into the same trap many are. If any one knows directly about this man or his work I would appreciate help. I want to be able to help arm her with enough info, so that not only can she avoid this pitfall, but would also like her to be able to show her boss the problem with what is being taught here.

sarah said...


No offense intended, but my quoting of Romans deals strictly with my agreement with Joyce that replacement theology is not a teaching of the Scriptures, as Romans 11 points out so eloquently.

I have no desire nor the energy to get into more discussion, as you took off on a tangent. I hold to the above scriptures referred to.

take care,

Susanna said...


You might want to check this out for starters.

It is a preview of Gordon's book THE ENERGY BUS

Here is a preview of Gordon's book

Chapter 29 in ENERGY ADDICT is entitled ENERGIZE WITH YOGA!!!

Chapter 56 in ENERGY ADDICT is entitled TAP INTO THE ENERGY OF NOW and it reads:

"Spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle, author of one of my favorite books THE POWER OF NOW, teaches that people are happiest when they live in the "now." He explains that only when we free ourselves from our minds and constant thoughts are we able to experience the power of the present moment. He teaches that our energy is greatest in the more.....

It looks to me like Jon Gordon is an advocate of Eckhart Tolle's views. Also of Yoga.

You may want to check into this further.

In the meantime, I hope you find this information helpful.

Susanna said...



If there is any "religious" content in Jon Gordon's works, your wife's boss may be violating her civil rights if involvement with ENERGY BUS is proposed as a requirement and/or a condition of continued employment.

Shenanigans like this were perpetrated in the Federal Aviation Administration back in the 1980's and 1990's vis a vis the Gregory May stress management/sensitivity training fiasco.

It was found that Gregory May was a disciple of J.Z. Knight and that his seminars were inspired in part by a 35,000-year-old spirit named "Ramtha" who was channeled through Knight.

Gregory May wound up spending some time in the slammer over this scam.




Anonymous said...


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Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...


Once again I owe you my thanks. Her boss seems to be skirting the religous side of it at the moment, however if it gets too deep I will make sure she knows how to push back properly. I have had concerns with the organization for which she works on a whole, she works in the health care industry, and while she strictly deals in office management and medical billing, the company she works for offers reiki therapy to some of their patients.

I know the industry as a whole is sliding down this slippery slope, and have repeatedly warned her of my concerns. Thankfully our relationship is built on trust for one another, and this includes the others judgement. However, I was still releived when she told me of this as I knew she was listening to what I was warning her about.

If you or anyone else happen to find anything else(even though this is more than enough to confirm my suspicions) please let me know.

Len said...


History Maker wrote:”--- we talked about the sacrifice of the goat for the sins of the people and verses 20-22 "When Aaron has finished making atonement for the Most Holy Place, the Tent of Meeting and the altar, he shall bring forward the live goat. He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat's head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a solitary place; and the man shall release it in the desert." Yes, we must repent, as Aaron did when he confessed the sins of the people over the second goat. It's also clear to me that Jesus took the place of both goats- the one sacrificed and the one who carries away sins."

Dear HM,

You are describing more or less accurately the procedure on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, when the Temple was extant. But that ritual was symbolic. It showed the congregation that they can free themselves from the burden of past sins. It is we who deserve to be sent to our deaths and would be but for God’s infinite grace.

The two identical goats demonstrate that each of us must choose between good and evil with no room between, If one doesn’t choose to move towards holiness he moves towards the wasteland of spiritual death.

With all due respect, however, what is clear to you is not clear to Jews. When the Temple is returned to us we will again perform the two-goat ritual. What we do today instead is to cast our sins, in the form of bread crumbs, into living water on Rosh Hashana, the beginning of the ten days of repentance that end on Yom Kippur. This is in tune with Micah 7:18-19:

“18 Who is a God like You, Who forgives iniquity and passes over the transgression of the remnant of His heritage? He does not maintain His anger forever, for He desires loving-kindness. 19 He shall return and grant us compassion; He shall hide our iniquities, and You shall cast into the depths of the sea all their sins.”

It would be appropriate to tell your son that God’s ability to forgive did not end with the Temple’s destruction and the end of sacrifice. The prophets knew this when they wrote:

Samuel said, “Has The Lord as much desire in burnt offerings and peace offerings, as in obeying the voice of The Lord? Behold, to obey is better than the fat of rams. (1 Sam. 15:22)”

"For the Israelites shall go a long time without king and without officials and without sacrifice and without cult pillars and without ephod and teraphim. Afterward, the Israelites will turn back and will seek The Lord their God and David their king -- and they will thrill over The Lord and His bounty in the days to come. (Hosea 3:4-5)

"For I desire loving-kindness, not sacrifices, and knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. (Hos. 6.6)”

"Take words with you and return to the Lord. Say to Him: 'Forgive all guilt and accept what is good. Instead of bulls, we will pay [the offering of] our lips (prayer and repentance)." (Hosea 14:2,3)

"With what shall I come before The Lord...? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings and yearling calves? Will The Lord be pleased with thousands of rams...? He has told you, O man, what is good and what The Lord demands of you: but to do justice, love loving-kindness, and to walk discretely with your God. (Mica 6:6-8)”

"So said The Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel: Mend your ways and your deeds and I will let you dwell in this place. Don't put your trust in illusions and say, ‘The Temple of The Lord, The Temple of The Lord are these [buildings].’ No, if you really mend your ways and your deeds... if you do not follow other Gods, to your own hurt -- then only will I let you live here, in the land I gave your fathers for all time. See, you are relying on illusions that are to no avail. Will you steal and swear falsely, and sacrifice to Baal and follow other Gods whom you have not experienced, and then come before Me in this house that bears My Name and say, 'We are safe?' -- As for Me, I have been watching -- declares The Lord.

So said The Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel: Add your burnt offerings upon your sacrifices and eat the meat. For neither did I speak with your forefathers nor did I cammand them, on the day I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning a burnt offering or a sacrifice. But *this* thing did I command them saying: Do My bidding so that I may be The Lord your God and you may be My people; walk only in all the ways that I command you. (Jer. 7:3-11,21-23

"Performing charity and justice is preferred by God to a sacrifice. (Ps. 21:3)

"Rescue me from blood guilt - O God of my salvation. The Lord, open my lips so my mouth may declare Your praise. For You desire no offering, else I would give it; a burnt offering You do not favor. The offerings of God are a broken spirit. God, You will not despise a broken and crushed heart. (Ps. 51:16-19)

Without the goats what do we do on Yom Kippur? We follow the Bible which says we can sacrifice only in the Temple. But it also says:

Lev 16: 29 And [all this] shall be as an eternal statute for you; in the seventh month, on the tenth of the month, you shall afflict yourselves, and you shall not do any work neither the native nor the stranger who dwells among you. 30 For on this day [God] shall effect atonement for you to cleanse you. Before the Lord, you shall be cleansed from all your sins. 31 It is a Sabbath of rest for you, and you shall afflict yourselves. It is an eternal statute. 32 And the Kohen (priest) who is anointed or who is invested to serve in his father's stead, shall effect [this] atonement, --- 33 upon the kohanim (priests) and upon all the people of the congregation. 34 [All] this shall be as an eternal statute for you, to effect atonement upon the children of Israel, for all their sins, once each year.

We afflict ourselves by fasting for 25 hours and spending about 16 hours in the synagogue, on the evening before and the following day, saying virtually all the prayers and Bible readings in a 400 page prayer book including congregational multiple confessions of sins.

Tradition says that the ten days determine who shall live and who shall die. on Rosh Hashana our sentence is inscribed in “the Lord’s book” and at the end of Yom Kippur it is sealed. But prayer, repentance and charity averts the bad decree. This concept is dramatized in the following beautifully scripted YouTube dramatization of this concept entitled “Who Shall Live.”

Peace and blessing,

Len said...

Pope in Bethlehem: A missed opportunity

Pope overlooked murder, persecution of Christians

Posted: May 13, 2009
2:34 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

During Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Bethlehem today, the pontiff did not address rampant Muslim persecution of Christians and stood by as Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas lied about the real reason behind local Christians fleeing.

Len said...


This paper is five years old but, if anything, thhings have gotten worse for Christians since then.

The Beleaguered Christians of the Palestinian Authority
By David Raab
Jewish Viewpoints | March 16, 2004

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation of the past two years. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People

Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."2

However, the reality of Christianity under Islam has often been difficult. "Over the centuries, political Islam has not been too kind to the native Christian communities living under its rule. Anecdotes of tolerance aside, the systematic treatment of abusive and discriminatory by any standard....Under Islam, the targeted dhimmi community and each individual in it are made to live in a state of perpetual humiliation in the eyes of the ruling community."3 As described by a Christian Lebanese president, Bashir Gemayil: "a not a full citizen and cannot exercise political rights in any of the countries which were once conquered by Islam."4


Len said...

Update from yesterdeay's NY Times

May 13, 2009
Mideast’s Christians Declining in Influence
NY Times

JERUSALEM — Christians used to be a vital force in the Middle East. They dominated Lebanon and filled top jobs in the Palestinian movement. In Egypt, they were wealthy beyond their number. In Iraq, they packed the universities and professions. Across the region, their orientation was a vital link to the West, a counterpoint to prevailing trends.

But as Pope Benedict XVI wends his way across the Holy Land this week, he is addressing a dwindling and threatened Christian population driven to emigration by political violence, lack of economic opportunity and the rise of radical Islam. A region that a century ago was 20 percent Christian is about 5 percent today and dropping.


Susanna said...


I am so very happy to have been able to help you out.

In addition to what I have already said, I have to say that if this looks like something that is going to involve your wife being threatened with the loss of her job as a result of her refusal to participate in what amounts to a RELIGIOUS program disguised as something else, you might want to quietly consult a lawyer who specializes in this sort of thing NOW in order to find out what you can do in the event of such a thing coming to pass.

Susanna said...



As you know, I am Catholic.

The Catholic Church has recently come out against Reiki being offered in Catholic hospitals.

I made a few comments about this on a couple of previous blogs to the effect that phenomena such as Reiki and "Animal Magnetism" which was popular in the 18th and 19th centuries are collectively regarded as "energy therapies."

It would appear that "Animal Magnetism is being referred to nowadays as "electrobiology."

Len said...


Joyce wrote: "We cannot pick and chose from the Bible and accept some passages and reject others. Replacement theology has done this and rejected God's eternal promises to Israel"

Dear Joyce and Sarah,

I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth. You say so many nice things about Israel and God's promise to it that I am tempted to leave well ennough alone.

Since Joyce and Sarah invoke Rom. 11 as evidence against replacement theology I must call attention to the fact that Paul set forth his own style of replacement theology there and elsewhere by giving with one hand and taking away with the other.

What is it, if not replacement theology, to infer as Paul does in Vs. 11:6-11, that the righteous "remnant" of Jews is that set of them, "chosen by grace --- nothing to do with good deeds" who have "seen the truth" about Jesus? that the righ accuse Jewish Jews of "unbelief" as Paul does in Rom. 11:23?

What is it, if not replacement theology, to say about the remnant of Jewish Jews, as Paul does in Vs. 11:12, that the world "would benefit from the conversion of them all?"

What is it, if not replacement theology, to accuse the remnant of Jewish Jews of "unbelief" as Paul does in Vs. 11:23, and "disobedience" as he does in Vs. 11:31 because we do not buy the "good news," and to say, as he does in Vs. 10:33, that "only thoose who believe in [Jesus] will have no cause for shame?

What is it, if not replacement theology, to say as Paul does in Vs. 10:9-13, that only those Jews who believe in Jesus will be saved and that "Scripture makes no distinction between Jew and Greek" only when both the Jew and Greek "call on the name of [Jesus]?"

Contrast all this with the truly universal Tanakh which says that "God is near to *ALL* who call Him" (Psalm 145:18) You do not have to be Jewish to be saved; just righteous. That includes Christians who do not try to convert Jews by deception.

James himself contradicted Paul on the importance of deeds when he wrote, in Chap. 2:

14: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15: If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16: And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19: Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20: But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

That is why the Talmud says:

1. “The righteous of ALL nations have a share in the world to come.” You don’t have to be Jewish to be righteous.

2. “A Gentile who occupies himself with Torah is equal to the high (Jewish) priest.”

3. “I call heaven and earth as witnesses: whether a person be Jew or Gentile, man or woman, man servant or maid servant, according to their DEEDS does the holy Spirit dwell upon them.”

Peace and blessing,

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Susanna said...


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DavidinB.C. said...


Can't they just get energy like the rest of us...a cup of coffee! Having been in similar work situations myself, I can honestly say, none of those techniques build teamwork. I had to endure "Healing Racism" once. All these techniques do is spread New Age ideals and make someone a ton of money.

Susanna said...


Here is some more information on Jon Gordon that I thought you might want to see.

Jon Gordon is the author of a book called The 10-Minute Energy Solution. Ironically enough, Ray Yungen wrote about Gordon and his book in A Time of Departing. He wrote about it to show further proof of Ken Blanchard's embracing of the New Age, for you see Blanchard had endorsed Gordon's book. Listen to what Yungen said:

In early 2006, a book hit the market called, The 10-Minute Energy Solution by Jon Gordon. The book is filled with suggestions on how to improve energy levels through meditation, yoga, breathing exercises, and other such techniques. Throughout the book, Gordon quotes favorably from the Dalai Lama, meditator Daniel Goleman, Thich Nhat Hanh, New Agers Marilyn Ferguson and Wayne Dyer, and from A Course in Miracles. Gordon promotes panentheism (God in all) by saying things such as: "You came from this source [speaking of God] and you are this source."

Jon Gordon is as New Age as it gets. On Tuesday morning we read an article from Gordon's recent newsletter. The article is titled "The Secret Behind the Secret." In discussing the new film, The Secret, Gordon states:

The law of attraction [what The Secret is based on] is important to share and it's a big part of my new book, "The Energy Bus," which tells the story of a man who uses the law of attraction to help turn around the negativity, fear, adversity, and challenges in his life. In understanding the law of attraction many are now realizing that they are involved in the creation of their lives; that their energetic thoughts, beliefs and actions have an impact on the world and in imprint on the energy fabric of the universe.

You see, Gordon likes The Secret because he believes that God is in all creation. And The Secret teaches that God is in everyone; actually it teaches that we are God. Listen to The Secret:

We are the creators not only of our own destiny but also of the Universe ... We are all connected, and we are all One (p. 175).

No matter who you thought you were, now you know the Truth of Who You Really Are. You are the master of the Universe. You are the heir to the kingdom. You are the perfection of Life ( p. 183).

You are God in a physical body ... You are all power ... You are all intelligence ... You are the creator ( p. 164).

Few could deny, after hearing these statements that The Secret is pure occultism, especially when we realize that the author of the book is a disciple of "the teachings of Abraham," 1 which is a group of spirit guides (demons). But listen now to what Jon Gordon says next in his article. To him who has ears, let him hear:

While having dinner the other night with Erwin McManus, author of "Soul Cravings" and a person who has had a profound impact on my life, we discussed The Secret and Erwin made a great point that we need to explain there is a secret behind The Secret.

God gave us free will and the power to choose. In choosing to have faith and believing in a brighter and better future, cultivating a grateful and appreciative heart, and practicing forgiveness we open ourselves up to amazing possibilities. We become a vessel God can use to mold into the people we were born to be... who share the love we were meant to share.

We are co-creators of our life with God. We are both creating and being created at the same time. The universe is not some magic genie that's says, "Your wish is my command," bringing you any car, house, or amount of money you desire. The Secret does not exist to satisfy your every wish but to help us become the kind of people God can use to make His ultimate wish come true - Heaven on Earth and inside each one of us.

Erwin McManus resonates with The Secret and with Jon Gordon. more....


In the "Yoga - cise" paragraphs below, one is reminded of THE GOLDEN COMPASS in which so-called "daemons" in animal form and of the opposite sex were attached to everyone beginning as children.

Addicted to New Age energy

Jon Gordon is a New Ager, who openly promotes Yoga, Qigong, Tai Chi, meditation, and more on his website

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On page 8 of his article, "The Energy Addict's 7 Day Plan For Raising Healthy & Positive Kids," Gordon even promotes Yoga for children:


Children’s yoga is becoming very popular and it is great to teach them at a young age. Many of the yoga postures are named after animals and this makes yoga fun for children. You can either buy a children’s yoga video or look for a children’s yoga class in your city or town......

Gordon wrote the books Energy Addict: 101 Mental, Physical, & Spiritual Ways to Energize Your Life (September 2004), and The 10-Minute Energy Solution (December 2005), both of which were endorsed by Ken Blanchard

books.html ).

And in Blanchard's latest endorsement of a Jon Gordon book, he leads the reader to get onboard "the right bus;" a bus fueled by New Age "positive energy":

If you want to fuel your family, your career, your team, and your organization with spirit, read this book. Jon’s energy and advice will leap off the page and help you cultivate positive energy in everything you do—and you will make the world a better place for your having been here. Thanks, Jon, for pumping us up and making sure we get on the right bus. [The Energy Bus, January 2007,

In the Expanded 2nd Edition of his book, A Time of Departing, Christian author and apologist Ray Yungen has this to say about one of Jon Gordon's books and his spirituality: early 2006, a book hit the market called, The 10-Minute Energy Solution by Jon Gordon. The book is filled with suggestions on how to improve energy levels through meditation, yoga, breathing exercises, and other such techniques. Throughout the book, Gordon quotes favorably from the Dalai Lama, meditator Daniel Goleman, Thich Nhat Hanh, New Agers Marilyn Ferguson and Wayne Dyer, and from A Course in Miracles. Gordon promotes panentheism (God in all) by saying things such as: "You came from this source [speaking of God] and you are this source." [Lighthouse Trails Publishing, 2006, pp. 164-165]

Gordon's panentheism is further illustrated in his August 1, 2005 The Energy Addict newsletter, where he attempts to reduce the Biblical Creator and Sustainer of the universe to a mere "source and force" or "whatever":

The way I see it, God, the universe, intention, or whatever you wish to call the source and force from which everything emanates and gives everything life is really big and has a lot of energy-perhaps an infinite amount of energy. This energy makes the world go around. It moves our legs, lights up the stars and fuels every living creature on earth. With so much energy in the universe I often wonder why as energy beings many of us expect so little of ourselves and the world around us. As an Energy Addict we must tap our share of infinity. There is so much energy in the universe even if we tap a big share, there will still be plenty of energy for everyone else. more....

Friday, June 20, 2008


“After college until about 32 I was drawn to new age writers, Buddhism and quantum physics. I always saw the world in terms of energy. I never liked organized religion and never went to church. Never felt at home there. I thought Jesus was a great teacher and messenger and enlightened being......

.......“Then after a conversation I had with a Buddhist energy healer (not the usual way most people find Jesus) it all became clear to me and I walked out of his office committed to following Jesus. I was baptized on Palm Sunday, 2007. People think that only Christians can point you in the right direction but for me it was the fact that God used everyone in my life to show me the way. God brought me to my friend Daniel. He brought me to Erwin McManus. He brought me to Rob Bell. He brought me to the Buddhist energy healer. He brought me to Jesus. And now he is bringing me to those who are stuck and need God more than ever.”


While Jon Gordon doesn't appear (so far) to have any direct ties to the Institute of Noetic Sciences, Ken Blanchard, who has promoted his books, does appear to have such ties.


The Twin Cities Thought Leader Gatherings have included individuals from the following organizations:

(Among those included are individuals from the Institute of Noetic Sciences and The Ken Blanchard Companies. Click onto link below.)



BOTH Ken Blanchard and Institute of Noetic Sciences co-founder (along with Paul Temple) Edgar Mitchell are "graduates" of the so-called "Hoffman Process."


".....The list of Hoffman Process graduates is impressive and sometimes surprising. It includes the likes of international management guru Ken Blanchard and Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell. It contains an abundance of psychiatrists (like TM doyen and author Harold Bloomfield) as well as professors of psychiatry" (ibid., emp. mine) entire article.......


Check out page 54 at the following " " link

Here are some related links where "new labels" for "old errors" are listed.




Joyce said...

Okay, off the New Age and back to the Bible..

Paul never said Israel had to be converted to Christianity. He said they had to accept Yeshua's atonement for their sins. You want to pay for your sins by your good works, when if you believed that Yeshua paid for yours, YOU WOULD ALREADY BE DECLARED RIGHTEOUS.

The righteousness we have in Yeshua is His righteousness. Just as sin came into the world through one man, Yeshua paid for the sins of all, which is why when He was on the tree, He said "it is finished".. translated.. Sin and death are taken care of. He overcame them, through His death and resurrection.

Now, if Yeshua paid in full for my violations of Torah, and now as a new creation with His identity, should I violate His Torah? Heavens no!

The righteousness that I have been given is because of the blood that was poured out by the Lamb of Pesach. Just as when the angel of death passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt, none were killed, when I receive Yeshua's atonement for the price of my sins, I am not only declared just, but death has no hold.

In Bereshit is says that God planted a garden in delight from before the very first. The garden He planted was in Himself. We were made in His image, but the fall created separation. That separation meant that mankind did not have God's righteousness.

This concept of reflection is woven throughout the Torah. The mishkan reflects the throne room. We are made in God's image, and Yeshua is the fulness of deity in bodily form.

Man was created in the image of God. He was created to be a reflection of His creator, but with the fall the image of man corruption entered in. Death, sickness, fear, insecurity, jealousy, all that enters when we are in a state of separation entered humanity.

These things were so bad at one point God floods the earth and starts over with Noah's family and ultimately Abraham's. The idea was not just that we would "act right" because we had be fundamentally changed, corrupted by sin. Our very nature was different because we had eaten the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

Legally speaking, the world was now under the control of the evil one, until such time as the kinsman redeemer would redeem a people for Himself. He chose Israel to be the nations of priests, through which not only would this redemption come visa via Messiah, but to teach all the other nations, so they too could know the truth.

All Israel was lost. Judah had sinned and so did the House of Israel. The Northern kingdom was scattered and assimilated into pagan nations. Judah had lost its way. The leaders of the nation were divided corrupt, they were under Roman rule when Yeshua showed up on the scene.

God did not permanently scatter Judah because they preserved Torah, and the Living Torah, Yeshua came through the line of Judah, even though Yeshua was born of the Ruach HaKodesh, not of the corrupt seed of man. He who appeared to Moses in the burning bush, the I will be what I will be came in the flesh to redeem us.

The same God who redeemed us from the power of Pharaoh, and Eygpt, would redeem us from sin, the ultimate slave master. Why is that so difficult to understand? Only because of your upbringing, but it would be the first time Jews didn't understand God. If we listened in the first place we would have gone directly to the Promised Land from Egypt, don't stop at go and collect $200 dollars...but the fact is we blow it over and over and over and over again. If you were obeying Torah fully, shouldn't you be living in the Land, celebrating the 3 feasts there? Why do you still live in diaspora? ( I'm not criticizing you, just pointing out the truth is we don't always hear and obey)

We have sinned over and over and over. God is patient, long suffering, but He is not stupid. He knew we could not redeem ourselves. This is the good news, not that you have to stop being a Jew. That's just simply not true.

Yeshua became the sacrifical Lamb, so that through His death the works of darkness could be destoryed, so that the kingdom of HaSatan would be legally redeemed and become the Kingdom of God, so that death, which is separation could be swallowed up one day, once and for all.

Righteousness of Yeshua, we don't work for. We receive it by faith, just as Abraham did when He believed God's promises. The giving of Torah did not do away with God's promises to Abraham. It teaches us how to hit the mark, so we don't stop aiming at the mark, but I don't know anyone who lives out Torah perfectly because we can't.

Our righteousness comes from Yeshua's perfect obedience to Torah and then His substitutionary atonement. Once our sins are removed, of course we should walk in conformity with the identity already given to us.

Just because I'm forgiven, doesn't give me the right to keep sinning. That would be a mockery of God's free gift. Justification has ALWAYS been by faith, not by works.

If you have the Apostles writings in your home, read Hebrews 11 and that will explain it well. Faith is what pleases God. If we have real faith, the works will follow, so that's what James means by "faith without works is dead". It's not that our works justify us, rather good works is a fruit of having faith.

If I believe in Yeshua, I will try to obey His commands, and His commands are Torah, because He is the Living Torah, the Living Word, that came to dwell among us.

Who could overcome HaSatan? Certainly not a human being. God's election of Israel was to bring forth Messiah, first for Israel and then for the nations.

In Bereshit is says that the seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent. The seed of the woman, the seed of Israel crushed the snake, the one that deceived the nations.

God knew that all of our righteousness is like filthy rags, compared to His righteousness, so He redeemed us Himself. This is true love.

Now because He did this for me, I have no problem obeying Him. I desire to walk in what He already credited to my account. Do I do it perfectly? No, but living sanctified lives is a life long process. My justification comes from Him, my sanctification comes from learning how to walk according to the Scriptures..

We learn that the High Priest can only go into the Mishkan or Temple once a year, and he has to go through a lot to do this. Why? Because there is this separation. Just as God placed cherubim with flaming swords over the entrance to the Garden, we see the cherubim over the ark and over the mercy seat. In the ark are the elements that point us to Yeshua, the manna ( the bread of life) the Tablets ( the Word) and the staff representing the Priesthood.

Yeshua's Priesthood would be different than Aaron's because He would enter into the throne room of heaven, which the kiddush kiddushim was only a reflection of. His blood would cleanse the mercy seat at the very throne of God, making His sacrifice superior and good for all time. He only had to do this once in order to reverse what had be accomplished by the snake in the Garden.

If obeying Torah perfectly, like Yeshua was possible for mere mortals, then we could achieve the holiness of Yeshua, but the problem is that we were born with our human nature, and in Him, we receive His nature.

Religion doesn't change anyone's nature. Religion is man's efforts to reach God. In Yeshua we don't "convert to a religion". We have new birth, so if you are born a Jew, you are still a Jew, just a born-again Jew who now has his Messiah's righteousness. If you are born Greek, you stay Greek, but you have Messiah's righteousness and you can attach yourself to His people, Israel.

This is a little long, but you ask good questions and I want to answer them thoroughly. Paul is greatly misunderstood, even Peter says this.

He was addressing, in his letters, specific problems that existed in his day in specific assemblies or cities. Sometimes, without knowing the background of what was going on in a particular place, Christian Churches have jumped to conclusions that I believe are wrong. These biases are centuries old and have become institutionalized.

Context is an important part of Scriptural interpretation, as you well know. We are often not given the context because Paul was writing letters.. He probably didn't think they would ever be interpreted in the way that they are.

People have misunderstood expression like "judiazer" or "under the law" and this causes misinterpretation of whole large passages of text.

Paul was addressing a lot of things that were taking place in the Second Temple environment, that were unique to that period. He was not hostile to Torah, by any means and did not want Jews to become something else. They were still meeting in synagogues unless they were kicked out.

The very kicking out allowed the gospel to go to the nations where the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel were located, as well as to the nations themselves. God's scatter of the Northern Kingdom several hundred years before was no accident. God knows what He was doing. The Northern Kingdom was ALREADY divorced because of their adultery. How would He bring them back? Trust me, God always has a plan. Some rabbis can't decide whether they will come back or not, but that would make God a lier and He is not a lier. He promised to bring them back, but they would have to be justified.

What do you think it means when God says, He will cleanse our iniquities and put His Torah on our minds. It's not US doing it. It's God. This is the renewed, or improved or better covenant that He made with Israel.. How is this accomplished? In Yeshua. Most people in churches are not taught this but Jer 31:31-33 is very clear and so are many other passages.

This explains a bit of my position on your question, but I probably don't speak for everyone here.


Len said...


Joyce wrote: “Paul never said Israel had to be converted to Christianity. He said they had to accept Yeshua's atonement for their sins. You want to pay for your sins by your good works, when if you believed that Yeshua paid for yours, YOU WOULD ALREADY BE DECLARED RIGHTEOUS.”

The best way to respond to your blatantly and tranparently false assertion is to quote Maimonides example of failed repentance:

Anyone who makes a verbal confession without resolving in his heart to abandon his sin is like one who takes a ritual bath while grasping a defiling object. The bath is useless unless he first casts the reptile away. (Mishneh Torah/Repentance 2:3)

You have an obvious problem with identity. You refuse to acknowledge that Jews are synonymous with Israelites today, and you refuse to acknowledge that people who believe in Jesus are Christians even if they use Hebrew words.

Joyce>>The righteousness that I have been given is because of the blood that was poured out by the Lamb of Pesach.

The Paschal Lamb was forbidden to gentiles (Exod 13:43-49). Moreover, if you understood why a lamb was chosen you would not be so eager to identify Jesus with it as you and other missionaries are wont to do.

It is exactly because the Egyptians worshipped sheep and did not eat them. Just as Christians worship the Lamb, the Egyptians similarly worshipped lambs. They also hated shepherds for similar reasons. It was Egyptian IDOLOTRY that led to their lamb worship.

When Pharaoh gave Joseph permission to have his family come to Egypt, Joseph told his family that shepherds are abhorrent to Egyptians (Gen. 46:34). When Pharaoh asks what they do Joseph tells them to respond that they are "men of cattle." Breeders of cattle were not despised, as were shepherds. The implication to be given is that they were fallen cattlemen who, due to the famine, had been reduced to shepherding. Pharaoh would demand that they live in a remote province of Goshen, far from the native population.

When Pharaoh told Moses he would let the Jews sacrifice to their God, but within Egypt, Moses replied: “It would not be right to do this, for what we sacrifice to the Lord our God is untouchable to the Egyptians. If we sacrifice what is untouchable to the Egyptians before their very eyes, will they not stone us? (Exod. 8:22)”

Rashi, the great exegete, wrote, "’for all shepherds are an abomination to the Egyptians‘ because they worshipped sheep.” This sets the stage for the events of the Exodus.

The Lord decided to stick it to the Egyptians by singling out their lord for sacrifice. The principle was that, if Egyptians were going to commit idolatry by worshipping a lamb, then God's people will sacrifice these false gods and objects of idolatry; exactly opposing and denigrating the Egyptian belief system. It was self-assertion, on the part of the Israelites, and repudiation of their masters.

When God tells Moses and Aaron to tell each family to draw out a lamb (Ex. 12:3), we interpret it metaphorically as drawing out from the Egyptian idolatrous environment. The Midrash/exegetic parable states: "So it was with Israel in Egypt that they were given to idolatry and did not forsake it, for it is written, 'But they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes. (Ezek. 20:7-8)’ Said the Holy One, blessed be He, to Moses: As long as the Israelites worship the Egyptian gods they shall not be redeemed. Go and tell them to forsake their evil ways and repudiate idolatry -- as it is written, 'Draw out and take you ---' that is to say, 'Withdraw your hands from idolatry and take you a lamb, and slaughter thereby the Egyptian Gods and make the Passover.’"


Len said...


Joyce wrote: “Our righteousness comes from Yeshua's perfect obedience to Torah and then His substitutionary atonement. Once our sins are removed, of course we should walk in conformity with the identity already given to us. “

Jesus obedience does absolutely nothing for you if you are disobedient. And vicarious atonement is a contradiction of God’s word.

Moses offered to take the hit for his people who worshipped the Golden Calf but God rejected his offer:

Moses pleaded: “--- erase me from the record which You have written." But God replied to Moses,

Also, on vicarious sacrifice:

“The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers; EVERY MAN SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” (Deuteronomy 24:16)

And Jeremiah! This is about God returning the exiled Jews to their land following the destruction of the in the 8th Century BCE. They are returning because they sincerely repented for the sins which led to exile in the first place. In Judaism confession (to one’s self and God) and repentance earns atonement on Yom Kippur. We don’t need anyone to die for our sins because God tempers justice with mercy.

Jer. 31:28 In those days, they shall no longer say, "Fathers have eaten unripe grapes, and the teeth of the children shall be set on edge." 29 But each man shall die for his own iniquity; whoever eats the unripe grapes- his teeth shall be set on edge.

And Ezekiel :
20 The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Also Ezekiel on the power of repentance -- just a few lines later reads:
“As for the wicked man, if he should repent from all the sins he committed, and keeps all My laws and does what is just and right; he shall surely live. He will not die. None of his transgressions will be remembered against him; because of the righteousness he has practiced, he shall live. ‘Do I desire the death of the wicked man?’ says the Lord, God. It is rather that he shall turn back from his ways and live.” (18:21-23) This idea is repeated again and again till the end of 18 with the final sentance being,

No perhaps you can show me where God said it is OK to have someone, even a son of God, sacrifice himself for his friends. And the fact that Jesus did not sacrifice himself but was murdered -- and died saying, "Lord, Lord; why have you foresaken me." are besides the point. Right?

>>Just because I'm forgiven, doesn't give me the right to keep sinning. That would be a mockery of God's free gift. Justification has ALWAYS been by faith, not by works. --- read Hebrews 11 and that will explain it well. Faith is what pleases God. If we have real faith, the works will follow, so that's what James means by "faith without works is dead". It's not that our works justify us, rather good works is a fruit of having faith.

James had it right and Hebrews 11 was close – but no cigar. Jeremiah wrote: 

“And the Lord said: (It is) because they have forsaken My Law, which I set before them, and have not hearkened to My voice, nor walked by it. (Jer 9 12 )”

"Law" means "works" while "hearkening" means "faith." The order of the two complaints of God seems to indicate that God would not mind not hearkening to His voice if people did not forsake His Law. Christians in general, and you in particular, harp on "being saved" as if that was the only important thing for a religious person. Why?

Jews do not have faith and observe the commandments just to be saved. We do these things just because they are right; we do them for their own sake. The Talmud says:

“Do not be as slaves, who serve their master for the sake of reward. Rather, be as slaves who serve their master not for the sake of reward. And the fear of Heaven should be upon you.”

We love, fear and serve God -- we do “works” because we take pleasure in them and feel close to God; not just to be "saved," whatever that means. This is sufficient reward in itself without any other compensation. It is our relationship with God, while we are alive, that is paramount. "Works" are not an activity apart or remote from God. Rather every commandment serves to call us to His presence, before His countenance, in order to perform within His sight a service pleasing to Him. Every such "work" brings us closer to Him and should so enrich us with His approval that this realization of His nearness and approval makes us so happy that doing the "work," the service to God, is a reward in itself. It never occurs, to the religious Jew, to seek additional reward.

Proverbs cites “fear of the Lord” as the beginning of wisdom and not faith. (Prov 1:7)

When God commanded Moses to “speak to the rock” to bring forth water Moses struck the rock instead. God then told Moses that, because he did not have faith he would not bring the people into the land. (Num 20:7-12) The evidence for faith was works in this case.

In Chap 2 Hosea quotes God as follows: “21 And I will betroth you to Me forever, and I will betroth you to Me with righteousness and with justice and with loving-kindness and with mercy. 22 And I will betroth you to Me with faith, and you shall know the Lord.” He mentions righteousness, justice loving-kindness and mercy before faith.

>>Yeshua's Priesthood would be different than Aaron's

Aaron was a priest of the tribe of Levi. If Jesus was of Judah (as was David) why do you call him a priest?

>>Religion doesn't change anyone's nature.

Speak for yourself, Joyce. Proverbs begins:

Prov 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel, [are]; 2 To know wisdom and discipline, to comprehend words of understanding; 3 To receive the discipline of wisdom, righteousness, justice, and equity; 4 To give prudence to the simple, knowledge and discretion to the youth. 5 Let the wise man hear and increase learning. The understanding man shall acquire wise counsels 6 to understand an allegory and a figure, the words of the wise and their riddles. 7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and discipline.

Religion is man's efforts to reach God. In Yeshua we don't "convert to a religion". We have new birth,

What wisdom and discipline do you obtain from your “new birth;” what learning, what change in your “nature?” According to you; none!

>>Christian Churches have jumped to conclusions that I believe are wrong. These biases are centuries old and have become institutionalized.

Notwithstanding the slight adjustments you make, you are part and parcel of those churches in spirit and basic mode of worship.

>> Paul was writing letters.. He probably didn't think they would ever be interpreted in the way that they are.

You don’t need to make excuses for him. Christians understand him perfectly.

>>What do you think it means when God says, He will cleanse our iniquities and put His Torah on our minds. It's not US doing it. It's God. This is the renewed, or improved or better covenant that He made with Israel.. How is this accomplished? In Yeshua. Most people in churches are not taught this but Jer 31:31-33 is very clear and so are many other passages.

I suggest you read “Redemption and the Power of Man.”

Judaism and Christianity differ on man's moral capacity.


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