Friday, May 22, 2009

A Missing Link? Nieves Mathews and Mark O. Hatfield?

Update: The "Mark O. Hatfield Library" appears to be a division of Willamette University. It is named after the former governor and U.S. Senator and one housing his papers. From its website:


The Mark O. Hatfield Library serves the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Education, and the Atkinson Graduate School of Management. Originally housed in Smullin Hall, the library moved to its new location in 1986. The new building is a gracious, modern, glass-walled structure that overlooks the Mill Race and Jackson Plaza, one of the main gathering places on campus.

The Hatfield Library offers the Willamette community a diverse, well-chosen collection of over 400,000 volumes, over 5,000 current journal subscriptions, and direct access to the Summit database, a shared academic collection of more than 26,000,000 items. The library also provides electronic access to information resources and documents of all types from around the world. The facility also houses an extensive collection of United States Government documents, a collection of Northwest materials, and a small collection of rare and/or old materials. The Hatfield Archives houses the political papers of Oregon's former United States Senator Mark O. Hatfield, which are currently being processed and are not yet open to the public. Senator Hatfield's memorabilia are available for viewing in a public display area, and his book collection is cataloged and available for in house use.

A highly qualified staff of librarians and support personnel, committed to developing and maintaining strong collections and services, supports the research needs of both students and faculty. A program of course-related instruction ensures that students not only find the information they need to satisfy course requirements, but also learn the search strategies they need to retrieve and critically evaluate information in a society that places increasing importance upon these skills. Librarians are also available at the reference desk and by appointment to help students with their research needs.

The print collection, developed over more than a century, provides strong support for undergraduate and some graduate research. The library's holdings also include a collection of musical scores and sound recordings. A collection of over 6,000 video recordings of classic motion pictures, documentaries, and other films supports courses across the curriculum. An efficient interlibrary borrowing service utilizes a national computer network and a developed electronic document delivery system for locating and rapidly retrieving material not available locally.

The library participates in Summit, a consortium of academic libraries in Oregon and Washington that share an online catalog. Summit Borrowing makes it possible to use the library resources of the member libraries as a single collection. Students, faculty and staff can request materials any time and expect rapid delivery. Participation in Summmit enhances the strong local collection and the traditionally strong interlibrary borrowing services.

The Mark O. Hatfield Library is an important public space on campus and includes many attractive areas suitable for study and reflection. A variety of displays are hosted, and lectures, readings, and recitals are frequently held in the popular Mark O. Hatfield Room. A 24-hour study room equipped with vending machines provides student space during the hours the library is closed.

My assumptions in writing the following were based on my perception that this was Mark Hatfield's personal collection. As a college collection, it probably has far less significance to Mark Hatfield's personal beliefs and connections . That Mark Hatfield had strong ties and sympathy for the New Age Movement is abundantly well documented elsewhere including his own books.

Constance

"This is interesting on many levels! It could well be an important missing link between several major links I have been following. The State of Oregon was plagued by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) in the 1980s. Mark Hatfield had been the governor of Oregon and thereafter represented the state in the United States Senate. His tenure was engulfed in financial scandal in 1982 when it was revealed that he had profited mightily on two real estate deals involving Paul N. Temple. Paul Temple, we have abundantly proved, was working both the Christian and the New Age powerhouse sides of the fence -- Fellowship Foundation (Abraham Vereide / Doug Coe) and the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Mark Hatfield and Paul Temple were two of the inner group, "The Core" of the Fellowship Foundation. The book pictured credits author Nieves de Madariaga Mathews' inspiration to Osho / Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. Sir Francis Bacon was a recognized pillar of the occult. Nieves is either Javier Solana's mother or a cousin (depending on which of Solana's authorized biographies one believes). She is clearly the elder daughter of Salvador de Madariaga, Javier Solana's main lifetime mentor.

Nieves Mathews on June 21, 1977, confided in the linked interview with "Osho Love Osho" that she was raised in Sufism by Salvador de Madariaga (her father) and Constance Archibald de Madariaga (her mother). In the same interview, she said she had known Krishnamurti (who had been the original New Age candidate to be 'Maitreya the Christ'.


Stay tuned!

Constance

Comments:
I'm adding detail to this article often, so refresh your browser every time.

Thanks!
Constance
 
This is off subject ( but not really) I stumbled on it, looking for a site that I saw the other day about global coherence and sufism, but I don't want to lose this:

http://www.futurefoundation.org/about/fff_advisors.htm

http://www.futurefoundation.org/

Okay, now I will post the one related to sufism.
Joyce
 
You have to click a bit, but you will eventually get to it. The site is full of info:

http://www.ourfutureworld.org/

and connected to the Global Peace festival, as a sponsor. Dorothy wrote on Rich's blog about "Points of Light" ( a very occult expression which Alice Bailey uses). Points of Light is a sponsor of the Global Peace Festival too ( a major one).

http://www.globalpeacefestival.org/partnerships.php

Anyway, I am aware of Points of LIght under Bush Sr. being connected to Islamic activity in communities dating back 15 years ago and could not find much to substantiate this, but do specifically remember this.. Our Future World Foundation is a link between Islam and Points of Light, a major sponsor of the Global Peace Festival.

There is a blatant mix of New Age and Islam...

Joyce
 
http://www.ourfutureworld.org/Express.html

Here we see their company Express Care, receiving a
"Champion of Compassion Award" under the White Houses "Faith Based initiatives.

Pretty amazing... The science and ideas are similar to the stuff coming out of Global Coherence Initiatives, with the Noetic Science connections.

Joyce
 
Joyce,

GLOBAL COHERENCE, IONS, and especially SUFISM are very much on target here.

Thanks!
Constance
 
They are partners with the Global Coherence Initiative..

If you look at their bizarre site long enough you find this:

http://www.ourfutureworld.org/GCP.html

http://tiny.cc/da5fK

Joyce
 
HOME: NO PLACE FOR BIBLE STUDY
By Drew Zahn of WND:
"A San Diego pastor and his wife claim they were interrogated by a county official and warned they will face escalating fines if they continue to hold Bible studies in their home."

"The couple, whose names are being withheld until a demand letter can be filed on their behalf, told their attorney a county government employee knocked on their door on Good Friday, asking a litany of questions about their Tuesday night Bible studies, which are attended by approximately 15 people."

"Do you have a regular weekly meeting in your home? Do you sing? Do you say 'amen'?" the official reportedly asked. "Do you say, 'Praise the Lord'?"

"The pastor's wife answered yes."

"She says she was then told, however, that she must stop holding "religious assemblies" until she and her husband obtain a Major Use Permit from the county, a permit that often involves traffic and environmental studies, compliance with parking and sidewalk regulations and costs that top tens of thousands of dollars."

"Broyles confirmed the county official followed through on his threat. The pastor and his wife received a written warning ordering the couple to "cease/stop religious assembly on parcel or obtain a major use permit."

"The Western Center for Law and Policy is troubled by this draconian move to suppress home Bible studies," said the law center in a statement. "If the current trends in our nation continue, churches may be forced underground. If that happens, believers will once again be forced to meet in homes. If homes are already closed by the government to assembly and worship, where then will Christians meet?"

Link To Full Article-
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98895

Or Here-
http://tiny.cc/mCv8L
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**The times are very serious, my friends. Praying constantly these days.

By His Grace,
-SV
 
Constance,
You'll appreciate this one:

http://www.festivalculturesoufie.com/spip.php?rubrique15

http://tiny.cc/QGKAX

The link here between Madaraiga is Guerrand-Hermes, who is a sponsor of this festival:

http://www.ghfp.org/

The Chairman Simon Xavier Geurrand-Hermes name comes up a lot in the interfaith movement and is a funder of AoC:

http://www.unaoc.org/content/view/343/200/lang,english/

http://tiny.cc/eOnbj
and Imams and Rabbis, along with Elijah Interfaith are all connected to Hermes:

http://tinyurl.com/pv3x3q

and Heinrich Eliyahu Benedikt is connect to Elijah Interfaith, so clearly there is a longing for the "golden age" when Islam, Judaism and Christianity were united by their mystical traditions.

Joyce
 
On the link I posted about Our Future world two scientists are mentioned..so here's an article about mind control, CIA, electromagnetic waves, etc. where Dr. Van Bise is mentioned:

http://mindjustice.org/tvlist.htm

Joyce
 
I'll just post a quote from this doctor, now remember Our Future World foundation mixes the chakras, sufism and global coherence all together:

"CNN news broadcast, Special Assignment by Chuck DeCaro, "Weapons of War, Is there an RF Gap?", November 1985. Dr. Bill van Bise, electrical engineer, conducting a demonstration of Soviet scientific data and schematics for beaming a magnetic field into the brain to cause visual hallucinations. The demonstration on reporter Chuck DeCaro was successful. Dr. van Bise stated, "In three weeks, I could put together a device [weapon] that would take care of a whole town."

Yes, we certainly are in difficult days and a lot of discernment and wisdom is required.

Shabbat shalom,


Joyce
 
and Dr.Rauscher, Dr. Bise's partner is mentioned on the Global Coherence site. It's all really interesting. I started looking at some of the RFID technology with regards to this, but will have to post at a later date.. How does all of this link to the emerging global spirituality? If coherence is acheive, whether by sufism, TM, yoga, etc, etc, these people would say that we will have world peace:

http://heartspring.net/global_coherence_project.html

http://tiny.cc/4MxHR

This false spirituality to have coherence is the goal. God Himself doesn't try to "control us" but the goal of controlling humanity is ultimately, that they would bow down and worship the antimessiah, regardless of how this is acheived.

Remember, all kinds of "good reasons" will be given for these technologies that are being developed.

Receptors LLC is working with Verichip...Look at all the "good things" these receptors can accomplish...
detect Swine Flu epedemic, biologic threats, etc, etc,

http://www.receptorsllc.com/

It's certainly not a time to sleep, and above all keep our eyes on the Scriptures and on Yeshua, our true salvation.

Joyce
 
SV

Thank you for providing the WND article Home: No Place For Bible Study. It would be interesting to follow-up and discover if the authorities were surveiling the group or if some "concerned" person/s (volunteer) reported their assembling. One wonders if perhaps the GPS system of IDing our homes/personal information would be used to track assembling as well (if they stop meeting at one place, we can locate them at the other?) all under the guise of environmental impact permits, etc.

VW
 
On JS' website, some comments recorded as made by Solana to the leaders of Bosnia and Herzegovina regarding plans on how to move it more to the EU, with such things as constitutional changes. It is important for a government to be able to act quickly these days, he says. VP Biden also there. (It did not mention if Paul Temple was or not.)
 
Yes, that was not good news, SV. Speaking of GPS satellites, I recently read somewhere that the system is endangered (maybe not today or tomorrow, but in the upcoming years) because of the decay of the orbits of the satellites. I don't remember where I read it. Probably Drudge.
 
Joyce and all:

Lucis Trust and Sufism ARE interlinked and interconnected -- BIG TIME! So was Javier Solana's family.

Constance
 
Joyce and all:

Lucis Trust and Sufism ARE interlinked and interconnected -- BIG TIME! So was Javier Solana's family.

Constance
 
Constance,
I'm not doubting you.
Joyce
 
Constance-

What's the evidence that Nieves Matthews knew Mark Hatfield?

Interesting the inclusion in the archives on The Foundation at the Billy Graham Library the "mimeographed", as in old, copy of the just recently published post-humously de Chardin essays titled The Heart of the Matter. Hmmm. Who at the Foundation had a pipeline to the darling of the New Agers de Chardin's unpublished works?
 
From what I read some time ago, Nieves was the daughter of a Scottish woman with a probable Masonic background. I am gradually coming to think that a lot of woo-woo stuff comes out of Scotland. Certainly it was a hotbed of Templarism in the middle ages, both during and after the Templar reign in France. Maybe even before. An early French ancestor of the Stewart clan (before they became rulers in Scotland) took his infant son to Scotland for baptism, indicating a spiritual link with that place; but the Stewarts and others (including my ancestors} settled in Shropshire for a couple of generations, after William the Conqueror, before leaving to settle in Renfrewshire. In Renfrewshire they founded or renewed Templar-associated abbeys such as Paisley and Melrose, bringing in Benedictines from France and Shropshire.
That was two centuries before the abbey famed in the Da Vinci Code was built by the Sinclairs.

It is spooky history and it continues? Maybe, but Solana would probably laugh if you asked him about it.

Mariel

Mariel
 
Scotland: woo woo.
Of course there is Findhorn.
And the movie THE WICKER MAN.
 
NAVY WARSHIPS DISPATCHED AS SPAIN INVADES SEAS AROUND GIBRALTER
23May2009 by Daily Mail Reporter:

"Royal Navy warships have forced heavily armed Spanish ships to retreat from British waters around Gibraltar.
Relations between the 30,000 residents of the British outpost and mainland Spain have become strained following what the Foreign Office described as 'a violation."

"The Rock's inhabitants fear Spain could damage their economy by making moves to seize control of its sea and air traffic.
The incident on May 8 is the latest in a long series since Britain was handed Gibraltar in the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht.
The Spanish Government has refused to recognise that territorial waters were a part of that agreement and made repeated attempts to reclaim them.
For centuries Gibraltar has been a key strategic base for the Royal Navy."

"The latest incident followed a day after Gibraltar's government vowed to block EU moves to give responsibility for the environment around the Rock to Spain."

Link-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1186822/Navy-warships-dispatched-Spanish-invade-seas-Gibraltar.html

Or Here-
http://tiny.cc/VDvNM
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**British royals bucking orders from Solana?? Serious rumblings going on?? We'll see what develops....

By His Grace,
-SV
 
yes, Anon, Wicker Man was well done horror, filmed in Washington State; Nicholas Cage is always great in those things. As for Findhorn, it was presented to me eons ago as an ideal answer to everything; a teacher at my school was really into Findhorn.
I thought of going to see, but I was too busy to go. Now my skin crawls at the thought.
I did have my sufi period, with a fairly innocuous bunch who didn't even "whirl", just sat around and thought about philosophy, although they did have Sunday night services where we read from the scriptures of the Six Great Religions. The infighting among the sufi groups was intense. We drifted away...

Mariel
 
NATO Secretary General at the Istanbul AoC forum. He supports freedom of expression for intercultural dialogue provided it does not offend.

http://tinyurl.com/ok8ffz
 
Nieves was the DAUGHTER of SALVADOR DE MADARIAGA and his wife Scottish Economic historian CONSTANCE ARCHIBALD DeMADARIAGA. My best information is that she is Javier Solana's free-spirited mother and one he has tried to hide due to the obvious embarrassingly traceable occultism -- Sufism, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh / Osho. The Masons are relatively tame stuff. Nieves was an active New Ager when living and was among othe thaings a correspondent with Fritjof Capra. Javier Solana heads the Salvador de Madariaga Foundation. Before they tried rewriting history, Salvador was his grandpa and Jaiver was his "nieto." These days, Salvador is his "great uncle." Solana is his "sobrino-nieto (grand nephew). It is undisputed that Salvador de Madariaga who we now know for sure was a supporter of Krishnamurti as Maitreya and of Sufism was Solana's primary mentor!

Constance
 
2002 http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16659he long-running legal battle between Congregation Kol Ami and Abington Township moved to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on July 29, as a three-judge panel peppered lawyers with questions on equal protection issues.

The case may later test the constitutionality of the 2000 Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, designed to outlaw religious bias in zoning decisions. The law is being challenged in more than 30 cases around the country, but none have yet reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

Judge Rules in Favor of Couple Holding Prayer Meeting
Jul 14, 2001
The Houston Chronicle
On July 14, 2001, The Houston Chronicle reported that "a federal judge said last week New Milford, Conn., officials violated a couple's religious freedoms by limiting the number of people who could attend prayer meetings at their home." The couple had violated zoning rules by inviting too many people, but asserted "their constitutional rights to freedom of religion and peaceful assembly."

The battle has been going on for a long time. Put "zoning prayer meetings" in a search and all kinds of cases will come up.
 
Sufism as practiced in America was tame, too, Constance, all the groups observed. Mainly social groups with lots of singles looking to pair up. Bhagwan was tame unless you took the ultimate step of giving up your jobs and moving to the ashram, and getting stuck in commune hell. I know some folks who did that, but their adult kids rescued them. Lots of silly old fools out there! It was the Indian gurus who really harmed me...the kundalini crisis was real, all too real. I learned to "ground" and have never ungrounded again. Lesson learned.

Mariel
 
Dear VW,
Yes, I'll keep an eye out for further info.
A further step towards communism/persecution of Christianity.
Thanks for your input!

By His Grace,
-SV
 
Thank you Constance. Quite an interesting commentary! You said:

"That Mark Hatfield had strong ties and sympathy for the New Age Movement is abundantly well documented elsewhere including his own books"

I'll bet his most recent book -
I think it's the most recent, "Against The Grain Reflections of a Rebel Republican"
( by Senator Mark O. Hatfield
as told to Diane N. Solomon- 2000) might hold some additional surprises.

" This eloquent memoir also lays out Hatfield's spirituality, the source of his stands of conscience, as well as reflections on creating a new revolution in American politics and society."

Publisher, White Cloud Press, is most definitely in the "new age spirituality" category. They don't appear to be a huge company, but they are affiliated with the much larger Hay House Radio, Spiritual Cinema Circle, Earth Cinema Circle etc. So, maybe you CAN judge a book by it's cover. -Rudi

http://tinyurl.com/owjzv8

http://www.whitecloudpress.com/product.asp?specific=jnpnhro8
 
Dear Susanna,
I've been meaning to thank you for your amazing input in the previous threads! I'll take the time to do so now: THANK YOU!! :-)

You are such a great researcher and I find your communication of the facts easy to navigate and helpful in my pursuit of information.

Great work!

By His Grace,
-SV
 
This is an interesting Sufi organization with UN links that is probably worth watching:

http://www.ias.org/founders.html

Sufism, unlike the other branches of Islam allows for the relationships with other religions..and is more experiential, so through the whirling one goes into a trance like state.

Sufism arose because people were thirsty for more than the rituals of mainstream Islamic practices, and the whirling allows one to go into trance-like states..

We would call this demon possession, but these are benevolent demons who want world peace, much like the demons that Alice Bailey was in contact with...

http://www.straight.com/article-119277/why-the-dervishes-whirl

Joyce
 
Mariel: THE WICKER MAN movie that I have seen was the original, not Cage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicker_Man_(1973_film)
It is a creepy horror film and when I saw it on TV years ago it was the first I knew of several occult practices.
 
That "whirling" that the Sufi's do is
physically identical to what heavy-metal
fans do to their music.
It's potentially brain damaging and the
"trance" is probably better described as
oxygen deprivation to the brain.
 
Yahoo News:

Obama's supreme court pick would be "someone whose brand of justice means seeing life from the perspective of the powerless"

Unbelieveable!!!!!!
 
SV 10:28 P.M.

Thank you for your kind and encouraging words.

It is most gratifying to know that I have been able to logically "connect dots" in such a way that you haven't found the implications my research difficult to follow.

If I have more or less been making the Kaiser Wilhelm/Max Planck Society a focus of my research, it is because others - including you -have already been doing a great job researching and reporting on other organizations with New Age ties.

Ergo, I thought it might be useful to post information on an organization that not only had Nazi ties in the past, but also has ties to these other New Age/"mind science" organizations (i.e. Insntitute of Noetic Sciences, Fetzer Institute, etc.) but has nevertheless gotten little if any attention.

This is not due to lack of diligence in the area of research.

Information on the Max Planck Institute is not something that is obviously "out there."

In fact, I came across it quite by chance while I was running a search on something else.

Since the new Max Planck enterprise in Florida is going to be funded with taxpayer money, I think the taxpayers have every right to know what they are up to and who their friends are.

This is not to say that the Max Planck Florida Institute is necessarily up to no good.

However, given our fallen human nature and the lessons of history, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that what CAN happen in the absence of vigilance and a demand for moral accountability on the part of those who are operating on or off the taxpyers dime might be similar to what happened with its predecessor Kaiser Wilhelm Institute research facilities in Nazi Germany - something similar to what happened in the United States after World War II involving some of that same research facility's "Project Paperclip" scientists vis a vis secret mind control projects like MK-ULTRA which was foisted on U.S. citizens without their knowledge or consent - often with devastating consequences.

In terms of genetic engineering in general, so-called "terminator technology" is already a reality and in 2005 the Max Planck Society was listed among the applicants for a "terminator patent."(#28 on following link)

http://www.keinpatent.de/index.php?id=32

IMHO, one of the most important names to know regarding the history of the Kaiser Wilhelm/Max Planck Institute is the author of an article I have already posted which goes into the most detail about The Kaiser Wilhelm/Max Planck Society's infamous past.

His name is Dr. William E. Seidelman, MD, and he has not only done articles for the Jewish Virtual Library (i.e. MEDICINE AND MURDER IN THE THIRD REICH), but also for other well-known and prestigious journals (i.e. PROJECT MUSE), news publications and organizations including the New York Times and the ADL.
 
Constance,
A correction regarding your statement:
"Update: The "Mark O. Hatfield Library" appears to be a division of Oregon State University - one named after the former governor and U.S. Senator and one housing his papers."

The Mark O. Hatfield Library is housed at Willamette University, a private school and his alma mater in Salem, Oregon.

This library has no relation to Oregon State University, however, the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport, Oregon is named for him and is an operating unit of Oregon State University.
 
The influence of Immanuel Velikovsky on Nieves de Madariaga is an interesting subject to investigate.

Not only was Nieves de Madairaga influenced by Velikovsky, but Nieves' father, Salvador de Madriaga was said to have been Velikovsky's friend and collaborator.

http://tinyurl.com/rcnl98

In fact, Salvador de Madariaga's name appears on the following web page among those to be thanked for their help in publishing Velikovsky's views. At the time, Madariaga was Honorary Fellow, Exeter College, Oxford University.

THE VELIKOVSKY AFFAIR - SCIENTISM VS. SCIENCE

http://tinyurl.com/q3ky4e

Immanuel Velikovsky was a psychiatrist turned amateur scholar in the field of "celestial mechanics" whose world view was known as "Catastrophism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism

Which challeneged the then - prevailing view of "Uniformitarianism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism_(science)

At the suggestion and with the blessing of her teacher, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, Nieves de Madariaga wrote a book about Francis Bacon who was the author of the utopian novel THE NEW ATLANTIS.

For what it is worth, there are those who say that the American Founding Fathers were influenced by Sir Francis Bacon's utopian blueprint.

You can read THE NEW ATLANTIS online at the following link:

http://tinyurl.com/opwkal

According to the legend of Atlantis which has its origins in Plato's Timaeus and Criteas, Atlantis is said to have been submerged in a catastrophic event.

There are many who have subsequently predicted (falsely so far) that another global catastrophe will result in the raising of at least parts of the lost continent of Atlantis.

For example:

During the late 19th century, ideas about the legendary nature of Atlantis were combined with stories of other lost continents such as Mu and Lemuria. Helena Blavatsky wrote in The Secret Doctrine that the Atlanteans were cultural heroes (contrary to Plato who describes them mainly as a military threat), and are the fourth "Root Race", succeeded by the "Aryan race". Theosophists believe the civilization of Atlantis reached its peak between 1,000,000 and 900,000 years ago. Rudolf Steiner wrote of the cultural evolution of Mu or Atlantis. Edgar Cayce first mentioned Atlantis in 1923,[25] and later asserted that it was located in the Caribbean, proposing that Atlantis was an ancient, now-submerged, highly evolved civilization which had ships and aircraft powered by a mysterious form of energy crystal. He also predicted that parts of Atlantis would rise in 1968 or 1969. The Bimini Road, a submerged rock formation of large rectangular stones just off North Bimini Island in the Bahamas, was claimed by Robert Ferro and Michael Grumley[26] to be evidence of the lost civilization.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis
 
cont....

Interestingly,while he didn't explicitly mention "the raising of Atlantis" in the following, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh nevertheless made some catastrophic prognostications which included the need to create a "new humanity":

The Oregon years saw an increased emphasis on Osho's prediction that the conventional world would destroy itself by nuclear war or other disasters sometime in the 1990s. Osho had said as early as 1964 that "the third and last war is now on the way", and had commented in the intervening years on the need to create a "new humanity" to avoid global suicide. By the early 1980s, this had become the basis for a new exclusivism, with a 1983 article in the Rajneesh Foundation Newsletter announcing that "Rajneeshism is creating a Noah's Ark of consciousness ... I say to you that except this there is no other way". These warnings contributed to an increased sense of urgency in getting the Oregon commune established.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho

Velikovsky's theories seemed to add a quasi-scientific veneer to some of Nieves de Madariaga's other New Age beliefs.

The problem, however, was Velikovsky's use of the wrong methodology in postulating his theories pertaining to celestial mechanics in so far as he is described as having attempted to "wed the study of myth with the study of meteorites."

"Scholars view his unorthodox methodology (for example, using comparative mythology to derive scenarios in celestial mechanics) as an unacceptable way to arrive at conclusions."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

Velikovsky may have made some good guesses along the way, but making a good guess is not the same thing as arriving at a correct conclusion by the use of the proper method of inquiry.
 
Dear Zil,

Thanks!

Constance
 
My opinion on Atlantis:

The world God judged AND CONDEMNED. Part of the pre-flood world. Inerestingly, part of the New Age ideology acknowledges the Noachic flood.

Constance
 
One more thing...

Another suggestion that has been made is that Velikovsky's ideas were partly derived from the "World Ice Theory" of Hans Horbiger which eventually became popular among the Nazis who later associated it with ideas of the lost Atlantis and a "master Aryan race."

http://www.answers.com/topic/hans-h-rbiger

Welteislehre (World Ice Theory), also known as Glazial-Kosmogonie (Glacial Cosmogony) is a cosmological theory proposed by Hans Hörbiger, an Austrian engineer and inventor and respected steam engine designer, whose invention of the Hörbiger valve made him a wealthy man.

Hörbiger did not arrive at his theory through research, but said that he had received it in a "vision" in 1894. According to his theory, ice was the basic substance of all cosmic processes, and ice moons, ice planets, and the "global ether" (also made of ice) had determined the entire development of the universe.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre

ATLANTIS - THEORY AND FANTASY

DISASTER SCENARIOS

......Typical was Austrian engineer Hans Hoerbiger. Fascinated, by astronomy and mythology, he put mythologies of a malevolent Moon down to the fact that Earth had been struck by the Moon in the past.
However, this was not our present Moon. This, Hoerbiger, was convinced, was just a ball of ice. But in the past, Earth had had a second Moon, a captured comet, which caused a great flood and other disasters when it exploded.
Many Atlantis theorists have associated this much discredited disaster scenario with the destruction of Atlantis. And the same can be said for the ideas of psychoanalyst, Emmanuel Velikovsky.
Fascinated by Sigmund Freud’s idea that Moses was also the Egyptian pharaoh Akhnaton (a pharaoh who briefly introduced into Egypt the idea of a single God), Velikovsky became intrigued by early mythologies.
In particular, the disasters such as the Flood arrested his attention. In 1680 a comet had approached Earth, and the scientist W Whiston had put forward the idea that on a previous encounter this comet had caused the Biblical Flood.
Velikovsky tended to agree with this idea, and went on to formulate a cosmology in which a comet had several times approached Earth, causing all Biblical disasters, and accounting for the destruction of Atlantis, before finally settling down to become the planet Venus.

IN CONCLUSION

Of course, none of these ideas can now be backed up by real science. For instance, the Moon is not made of ice, Venus is a definite planet. But in the world of Atlantian speculation, anything goes........
http://tinyurl.com/r49e2c
 
THE SUFISM OF SALVADOR DE MADARIAGA - THEOSOPHICAL TIES!!!

" In 1912 Inayat Khan and his brothers left the United States for England. There he gave concerts and lectures and made contact with artists, musicians and many of the minor aristocracy. The brothers spent some time in London and Paris before accepting an invitation to visit Russia in 1913. With the outbreak of World War 1, Inayat Khan and his family returned from Russia to London. He formed groups of mureeds and gave lectures throughout England and Wales, often at the invitation of the Theosophical Society. The Sufi Publishing Society was started, and the quarterly magazine, ‘The Sufi,’ began. Inayat Khan’s first book, A Sufi Message of Spiritual Liberty, was published in 1914. 
 
Inayat Khan’s work went ahead after the war, especially in Europe, where he reached many of the cultural and social elite “such as Debussy, Scriabine, Maria Montessori, d'Annunzio, Paderewski, Count Tolstoi Jr., Salvador de Madariaga.” Much of his later following was recruited from the European gentry and aristocracy of the period. By 1923 Inayat Khan had established Sufi Societies in many of the major cities of Europe."

Copied from "Sufism in Australia" http://smia.com.au/HIK_HistoryandBackground.html

5/24/2009, 11:04 PM

Constance
 
Constance,

We are in complete agreement.

That is MY opinion on Atlantis as well.

If this was the civilization that existed in the days before the Flood, then this was the civilization that God judged, condemned and wiped off the face of the earth.

Just the fact that New Age occultists seem to be so obsessed with it ought to serve as a big HINT that something is very wrong with THIS picture of "Utopia!"
 
5/24/2009

"You shall commit no injustice in judgment; you shall not favor a poor person or respect a great man; you shall judge your fellow with righteousness. (Lev. 19:15)

"You shall not pervert justice; you shall not show favoritism, and you shall not take a bribe, for bribery blinds the eyes of the wise and perverts just words. Justice, justice shall you pursue, that you may live and possess the land the Lord, your God, is giving you. (Deut 16:19-20)
 
5/24/09

20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil, who change darkness into light, and light into darkness, who change bitter into sweet, and sweet into bitter!
21
Woe to those who are wise in their own sight, and prudent in their own esteem!
22
Woe to the champions at drinking wine, the valiant at mixing strong drink!
23
To those who acquit the guilty for bribes, and deprive the just man of his rights!
24
Therefore, as the tongue of fire licks up stubble, as dry grass shrivels in the flame, Even so their root shall become rotten and their blossom scatter like dust; For they have spurned the law of the LORD of hosts, and scorned the word of the Holy One of Israel.
25
Therefore the wrath of the LORD blazes against his people, he raises his hand to strike them; When the mountains quake, their corpses shall be like refuse in the streets. For all this, his wrath is not turned back, and his hand is still outstretched.

(ISAIAS 5:20-25)
 
Susanna,
If you are interested in the subject of the New Atlantis, I know I've recommended this film before, but I'll recommend it again, which talks about Bacon's interest in this:

http://tiny.cc/TXUqN

Of course, I believe in the Biblical account of the Flood, but it's interesting to see how these truths are distorted.. Karen Armstrong likes to put the Biblical accounts and the myths side by side with out giving her opinion, as if to say either story could be true..

Today many liberal theologians are using tactics like to undermine the Scriptures. Nothing new under the sun, did God really say....?

Joyce
 
I am still shaking my head over this one.....especially on account of my knowing about the fiasco at the FAA involving J.Z. Knight disciple Gregory May.

Here is an interesting little transcript from the Larry King Live show dated less than a year ago on August 2, 2008.

The guests included former astronaut Edgar Mitchell, co-founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, Dean Radin, Senior Fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and J.Z. Knight - channeler of the 35,000-year-old spirit from Atlantis named "Ramtha."

http://www.rickross.com/reference/ramtha/ramtha1.html

Here is the CNN transcript.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/
TRANSCRIPTS/0808/
02/lkl.01.html

By popular demand, this J.Z. Knight episode of the "Larry King Live" program was rebroadcast internationally on August 8, 2008.

Gee. I wonder if there is a connection between Edgar Mitchell and Immanuel Velikovsky?

As Constance always says...STAY TUNED! :-)
 
This is a very amazing site. Again it is on the theme I've been exploring of Global Coherence, and the usual cast of characters are involved. Ervin Laszlo, Dean Radin, the Global Consciousness Project, etc, not to mention all of the World religions, including sufism and it also mixes in the theme of the Mayan calaendar. I'm posting one page, but look at the whole site and some of the links:

The organization is Compassion Passion:

http://tiny.cc/PHt7G

Joyce
 
Constance,
Please check your email.
Joyce
 
The site examines Sacred Geometry, a very occult and masonic theme and links to Carl Yohan Calleman's site on the Mayan calendar:

http://www.calleman.com/

http://tiny.cc/FpNsx

In case anyone had any doubts about what Global Coherence is all about, you won't after looking at these links.

Joyce
 
Here this Calleman fellow ties it in directly with the Second Coming of "Christ". He didn't specify which "Christ", Yeshua the Messiah or some other "Christ".

I'll let you intelligent readers decide which one you think it is:

http://tiny.cc/HOL35

Joyce
 
Joyce,

Thank you very much for the link. I am downloading it now. I hope I can get into it. If for some reason I can't, I will let you know.

As I see it, Atlantis is a metaphor for the "evil empire" that existed in the days before the Flood.

The way I learned it from the Bible, it was God's intention to wipe the very memory of this "evil empire" off the face of the earth.

It is my understanding that much of the so-called "paranormal" phenomena being "researched" by groups like the Instutute of Noetic Sciences and branches of the Max Planck Institute were the "norm" in the days before the Flood, and are those very phenomena which occultists believe were "lost" on account of the Flood.

I say this because the Bible says this....that in the latter days it will be as it was in the days before the Flood. (Matt. 24:38)

At the end of the day, we don't know what kind of technology existed in the days before the Flood.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the antedeluvian "technology" primarily involved sorcery and magic.

If today's technology primarily invovles "science," then I am reminded of C.S. Lewis' comment about how the Devil "loves a materialist as much as he loves a magician."

As for "paranormal" capabilities, I have been taught that where fraud is discounted, the cause is usually demonic!

What do you think?
 
Some more links from the Compassion Passion site:

http://www.barrygoldsteinmusic.com/

and he links to the World Puja Network:

http://www.worldpuja.org/

This global coherence is multi-faceted, but I think we will be hearing a lot more about this if my instincts are right.

Joyce
 
Well previously I have expressed concern about Lowell "Bud" Paxson of Paxson Communications and IONS television networks, in particular IONS life, which has similar "interfaith" type symbols in its logo. Not heard anything more on this person but wanted to give reminder.

Now something else that has rang some alarm bells as well. Recently a lot of PSAs are shown on TV from the Foundation for a Better live. Main site is www.values.com. This is run by a pruported Christian and the head of PTC and Discovery Institute: Philip Anschutz. He also runs Regal Cinemas, heads an oil company in Denver, and Sponsored a "Pass it on" campaign. He is also behing head of Random acts of kindness foundation and www.actsofkindness.org

This I find concerning and what we might find more and more. This is the promotion of values outside of the Gospel. It fits part and parcel to the new age, and different then Paxson's take. I wonder if these 2 gentlemen are associated with the Fellowship and Coe at some level. Just seems to fit. Any thoughts
 
This is how it will infiltrate popular culture, always through music and dance.. remember the 60s.

http://www.wildflowermuse.com/

...also a link on his site. Listen and look at this stuff with caution. I don't take any of this lightly. We should be really careful to pray when we do research into darkness, and not delve too deep. . Only deep enough to recognize the trends.

Some photos...

http://tiny.cc/iloUf

Here they are celebrating the winter solstice:

http://tiny.cc/eQucF

..in Minneapolis.

Joyce
 
Again from the same site:

The Gather of One: a Global Eden Event:

http://tiny.cc/yryuM

Somehow, I don't think this exactly represents the restoration of all things...at least not the one I read about in the Scriptures.
Joyce
 
Joyce,

This so-called "Emerging Church", "Emeging New World," or Emerging WHATEVER movement is definitely NOT my religious "cup of tea."

I am as much against the false ecumenism ( a.k.a. religious indifferentism ) as you are.

There is only one reason to be a member of ANY religious community:

BECAUSE YOU HAPPEN TO HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT ITS TEACHINGS ARE TRUE!!!
 
Of course the site I just posted is pure Theosophy. It's talking about the "Masters" ( plural) return:

http://www.lifewebnetwork.com/gatewayinfo.htm#purpose

http://tiny.cc/JcEUx

Allah, Bhrama, Buddha, etc.

http://www.lifewebnetwork.com/gatewayinfo.htm#purpose

http://tiny.cc/xw9PF

Here we see an attempt to gather 144,000.. This is clearly a counterfeit to the 144, 000 from the 12 tribes of Israel that God will seal in the Last Days.

http://tiny.cc/pa762

We should really pray for these people who are so deceived, that their eyes would be open.

http://tiny.cc/pa762

...and we should pray for one another as we expose dark material because we really are in enemy camp as we're doing this. I've been impressed with how heavy and serious this stuff is, not that we should be scared because the Lord is so much greater, but we shouldn't be naive and spiritually careless. We REALLY need to keep the full armor of God on because the enemy is not happy to have his strategies displayed.

I don't think we should minimize either, the power of our prayers in breaking down spiritual walls of darkness. In Yeshua we have direct access to the throne. As I was typing this, my computer started giving me problems which I rarely have... Interesting..

Joyce

Joyce
 
This fellow who writes about the Indigo Children is the
one writing about all of this nonsense. You can see how he incorporates sacred geometry, world religions, angels, etc, etc, Remember that he is linked to Laszlo's global coherence and you can begin to deduce how this pseudo science is going to be used to bring about "oneness".. Not all will be deceived obviously, but it looks like a greater and greater number as we see how many of these projects are interlinked:

http://www.gwhardin.com/index.html

He's out of Denver, CO, but the people involved are worldwide.
Joyce
 
Okay, here's the You tube video ( short) that ties the Mayans with the global coherence. At the end of thsi 2 minute video you will see the players mentioned, including of course Compassion Passion:

http://tiny.cc/1xqAu

and The Gather of One, site as well.

Just a warning, the repetitious chanting, will drive you nuts so you can turn the sound on your computer off because there are no words except:

"I am, you are, we are one" over and over.

Joyce
 
Joyce,

I'm sorry.

I meant to sign my "Anonymous" 1:48 post.

It's getting late and I am getting tired.

Mille pardons!!! :-)

Regards, Susanna
 
Here's the suggested "prayer" from the Gathering of One. I really am having difficulty with this site, so I hope you can open it:

http://tiny.cc/VkFag

Joyce
 
And the Temple of Sacred Sound:

http://www.templeofsacredsound.org/

Using sacred music is quite effective for manipulating people. There is nothing that touches the spirit more profoundly than music. The evil one knows this too!

Is. 14:11 ‘Your pomp and the music of your harps
Have been brought down to Sheol;
Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you
And worms are your covering.’
Is. 14:12 “How you have fallen from heaven,
O star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!

Joyce
 
From Common Passion, we also get to this site about TM:

http://www.permanentpeace.org

What is most interesting about this site, and the idea of using TM to bring about Global Coherence, is from it we link to a Harvard trained Quantum Physicist:

http://hagelin.org/index.html

John of course is connect to Noetic Sciences, David Lynch who just sponsored the big TM benefit in NY with Paul McCartney, and Ringo Starr, trying to get a million kids to learn TM and he has this organization:

http://uspeacegovernment.org/

Folks, he even has a Global Capital Corp, of NY:

http://www.gfcny.net/

and "scientifically proven" that supposedly TM will create this:

http://www.Invincibility.org/

Doctors are saying this:

http://www.DoctorsOnTM.org/

This is false, and I can think of some personal examples of college friends who had anything but peace in their lives, and were deeply involved in TM. One ended up leaving her husband who was into domestic abuse.

Joyce
 
And of course he will do a conference with the Assoc. of Global New Thought,

http://www.agnt.org/

which is connected to AoC as a sponsor of the Abraham's Path initiative, along with the Saudi Prince..

...and of course they are involved in the World Parliment of Religions, which Heinrich Eliyahu Benedikt will speak out, among many others.. You can check out the site yourself, if you've never seen it .

Joyce
 
Susanna said... If today's technology primarily involves "science," then I am reminded of C.S. Lewis' comment about how the Devil "loves a materialist as much as he loves a magician."
Doctrines of Demons are just that; a great quote, thanks.
Don’t know if this has been submitted, but worth a look!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99105

“WASHINGTON – Some of the richest men and women in the world met secretly recently in New York to conspire on using their vast wealth to bring the world's population growth
under control.”
 
Dear Setterman

The last sentence of the article you posted really cracks me up..

As to secrecy, the guest said, "They wanted to speak rich to rich without worrying anything they said would end up in the newspapers, painting them as an alternative world government.".....as if they are not already influencing the governments of the world from behind the scenes.....
 
Setterman,

The C.S. Lewis quote is to be found in the preface to THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS. :-)

http://tinyurl.com/pnz6o4
 
Susanna--

Here's a link which may shed more light on the Atlantis comments.

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Writings.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/rb24ae

The author is attempting to refute the opionion among some scholars that any pre-Platonic information about Atlantis is either a) not there; or, b) not credible.

Interesting, the comment that the men of Atlantis neither slept nor ate (any living food). I suppose angels (in this case, fallen) don't need to eat or sleep.
 
Dear Jolo0.sa

Thank you for the Atlantis link.

I agree with the author's attempt to refute the idea of the non-existence of pre-Platonic information about the antedeluvian civilization that came to be called "Atlantis."

Whether explicitly called "Atlantis" or not, there is plenty of pre-Platonic information about a civilization that was destroyed by a catastrophic Flood....including the lore of ancient mezo-America.

LOL Of course, the Old Testament of the Bible is "pre-Platonic."

Deep-water Archaeologist, Oceanographer and explorer Dr. Robert D. Ballard who found the Titanic has already begun to find evidence that there was a catastrophic Flood as described in the Bible vis a vis his Black Sea project.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/20/018.html

http://tinyurl.com/qqdgor

We do not know what the antedeluvian "technology" consisted of(and probably don't want to know), but it has long been my suspicion that at least some of the "technicians" of the antedeluvian world may have had demonic "tutors." - if only because of the passage in Genesis that tells us

And when God had seen that the earth was corrupted (for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth,) (Genesis 6:12)

This implies that humanity was not only in violation of the Golden Rule ("Do as you would be done by"), but also in violation of the Natural Law. The antedeluvian world was more or less a "hell on earth."

In terms of what the Bible tells us about human longevity it is hard to even begin to imagine the kind of nightmare civilizations - civilizations unspeakably worse than those that existed under Hitler, Stalin or Mao - that may have endured for periods just a couple hundred years shy of Hitler's planned "Thousand Year Reich."

The Atlantis myth figured prominently in Nazi "master race" propaganda.

The Nazi Party has bee rightly described as
"essentially an occult black magic movement with the outer trappings of a political party.The Nazis were not only obsessed with the Atlantis myth because it was a key element in their Aryan "salvation by race instead of grace" beliefs, but they were also obsessed with ancient magical traditions and even went so far as to establish a whole department devoted exclusively to the task of tracking down these traditions.

http://greyfalcon.us/Ahnenerbe.htm

The reason why they did this is because they believed that advanced technology - especially UFO technology - was encoded in the magical rituals.....especially the black magical rituals.....of the most ancient pagan civilizations whose magical traditions may have included some that were preserved from the days before the Flood.
 
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