Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Birth Certificate Information

Here is valuable information I received via email this morning from readers interested in the truth.  I hope it will put an end to some of the hysteria over Barack Obama's birth certificat

Dear Mrs. Cumbey,


Since you are a practicing attorney, I know you are interested in the legal fine points and accuracy.  In responding to your note on Barack Obama’s birth certificate, as a point of interest, I include the following, emphasis mine:


U.S. Birth Certificates and Certificates of Live Birth

Long forms

Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and Photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth. The long form usually includes parents' information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child's birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the childThe long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents.

Long forms may become obsolete in years to come, as many states have begun to use Electronic Birth Registration systems. The use of these systems will enable information typically seen on certified copies (long forms) to be available in computer databases that typically issue short form certificates, thus eliminating the need for "hard copy" long form certificates and having all birth information stored in computer databases only. This benefits parents in many ways; registration can be completed via computer at the hospital, meaning that parents can stop by their Vital Statistics office on the way home from the hospital to purchase the birth certificate instantly. It also means that the extra cost for long form certificates will no longer be a factor.

Short forms

Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible.Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a "Certification of Birth" or "Certificate of Live Birth". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels.



 "But as for me, I watch in hope for the Lord." - Micah 7:7



No one is hysterical, here. We are all just seeking the truth.

So, does this means that Barack Obama's Kenyan paternal grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister are all LIARS?

Barack Obama's paternal grandmother claims that she was present in the delivery room when he was born in the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya on August 4, 1961 at 7:24 PM.
To add to your post Constance, at least in WA state you can order an heirloom type birth certificate for an added cost, which will include more information, but the days of the old time birth certificates is gone. I had to replace my husbands certificate, he only had the hospital one with the footprints which is NOT a legal document only a souvenir. His looked very similar to the one you posted. My boys new certificates were identical to that too. I was told by a family member doing genealogy to photocopy the copy I filled out in the hospital so I could have that to pass down.

That whole mess to me still leaves some unanswered questions, but if there is a cover-up, I think they did a great job.

Official website of Philip Berg:

For those who haven't seen it yet..

p.s. I think it's a waste of time, but interesting conjecture..
Words by Teddy Roosevelt:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or anyone else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

The world has changed quite a bit since then.

I agree with Joyce, it's a waste of time.

"He sets up kings and diposes them."

And listen to his grandmother's comment, they cut part of it off, so you don't hear the whole thing.

We know who is control, however much we like or dislike someone, we ought to pray for their blessing.

"For what is it to you to love someone who loves you, even the pagan does that, but love those who persacute you and do wrong to you, for this is righteous."

JB in CO
If the short version is an indication that a long version is on file, then why not show the long version and get everyone off his back? He could but chooses not to. Why? other president has had to submit his birth certificate for public examination. If you all wanna believe in myths and legends, go right ahead. I know...the stimulus package and why it's so expensive is really a way to pay back all the people involved in teh coverup of his birth certificate. That's gotta be it! Obama doesn't have to post anything public! You think he's gonna do that just so some anonymous poster on a blog will believe he's a natural born U.S. citizen. He's got bigger things to worry about.
Hey, Anonymous (1:33 PM):

If you want to "trivialize" our Constitution, be my guest; but please respect the rest of us who take this issue a little more seriously.

According to our U.S. Constitution, a candidate for U.S. President MUST meet the following criteria:

-- be 35 years of age
-- be a naturalized U.S. citizen
-- be a resident for 14 years
Moses wasn't a natural born citizen
of Egypt, and he became powerful
in Egypt, though not as powerful as
Joseph who also was not a natural
born citizen of Egypt but he became
second-only to Pharoh.
God works any ol' way he wants to,
for His own purposes, on His own
time table.
But God is not capricious like the
gods of this world.
God reveals his will and his way
in the books of the Bible. God is
faithful and true.
God knew Barack Obama before
he was born.
To Paul (2:40 PM):

Actually, you do have a point.

Also, proving that President Obama was born in another country, at this late stage, would more than likely cause riots in the streets and possibly bring about Martial Law.

The one positive outcome that I observed on Inauguration Day was that the black people finally felt "lifted up" and that needed to happen.

So, maybe - in the midst of the evil NWO goals and agenda, etc. -God is showing us that HE still has a plan in all of this.
Perhaps with all of this discussion as to IF and MAYBE - is why this is going on -

Need a place to put those you areest under martial law don't you?
Isn't that why Haliburton got the $ to build them here in the US?

Obama says his "recovery plan will include UNPRECEDENTED measures that will allow the American people to hold [his] administration ACCOUNTABLE" yet Obama refuses to be held ACCOUNTABLE to the same American people for his UNPRECEDENTED refusal to show his actual birth certificate.
Speaking of birth certifications...there's a new baby about to hatch...

"We could view the threats and challenges we face today as the difficult birth-pangs of a new global order."

Gordon Brown [Jan. 26, 2009]
Big brother is coming to a theater near you?
It seems that the new administration is in a hurry to prepare for nationalized medicine.
In an interview on CNN, Ron Paul speaks out on the Stimulus Package:

URL to article:
Obama's envoy to the middle east Mitchell holds private talks with Solana.

Cairo - US President Barack Obama's envoy to the Middle East, George Mitchell, arrived in Cairo airport on Tuesday, at the beginning of a tour of the region.

Shortly after touching down at Cairo airport, Mitchell had private talks with EU foreign-policy chief Javier Solana, who is making his own tour of the region in an attempt to turn twin ceasefire declarations from Hamas and Israel into a longer-term peace

I found this via FP. It seems while the controversy looms Obama and Solana are working hand in hand.
To JD:

T H A N K S !!!

I had a busy day and only now saw it in your comments!



For anyone seeking to understand a little better the theology of Alice Bailey, Lucis Trust have published the following 'contents' page on their site. It makes shocking reading, so enter with prayer! Whether this is intended to be free public reading or not, I have no idea!

Constance has been reporting on all this for years, so there's nothing new there really - it just confirms that which she has been faithfully reporting.


An introduction to the writings of Alice A. Bailey and the Tibetan Master Djwhal Khul

Doug in Michigan -- the Halliburton activities have long been of concern to me and I can't help but think how intertwined it was with the last administration.

From a link to the article JD gave me entitled Obama says we must change with the world, I found this disturbing snippet from his inaugural speech:

"“The world has changed, and we must change with it,” he told an exuberant crowd of hundreds of thousands gathered in Washington’s National Mall to mark the inauguration of the country’s first African-American president. “Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.”
Folks in Africa have been known to exaggerate and even lie -- just like folk elsewhere BUT I need to see more evidence on the paternal grandmother statement than a mere hearsay statement. What is your source, "anonymous."

To Constance (10:33 PM):

Posted October 23, 2008 (11:33 PM)

Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.

The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.

But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

Berg said he's pursuing the issue because of "the most important document in the United States," the U.S. Constitution.

"Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years, and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment on the issues.

WND reported earlier this week Berg's claim that Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in his lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations.

Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States.

His lawsuit is demanding that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate.

Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Since Obama filed only motions to dismiss the case and did not actually answer the claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen., asserted Berg, who has taken his information public through his website.

Berg addressed the existence of a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper, featured on the Atlasshrugs2000 website, that suggests Obama was born in the city Aug. 4, 1961.

But Berg explained to Savage he believes Obama's mother was near the end of her pregnancy and unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya. The family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the newspaper announcement.

Besides Berg's lawsuit, several other court challenges also have been filed, including one in Washington state where petitioners are seeking to have the Washington secretary of state "verify Obama's eligibility" to serve prior to the election.

The claim states, "The 'certificate' that Mr. Obama has posted on his official Website is a 'Certification of Live Birth,' and not a 'Birth Certificate' from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place."

Berg also told Savage there is no information available on which hospital Obama's mother used in Hawaii.

The Washington state case also alleges, "Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen.

When Jerome Corsi, senior WND investigator reporter, recently traveled to Kenya to investigate several questions about the candidate, he was told the records were sealed and would not be made available.

Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of the Hawaii certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

The Washington claim states, "If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama's birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of 'natural born.'"

Berg said he believed it also was a complication that Obama's mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when, Berg said, only Indonesia citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam.

When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found. If that was not processed properly, Berg said, Obama would be in a situation even worse than not being a natural-born citizen.

"If he didn't go through immigration, he now is illegal and has been an illegal alien. He couldn't even hold the position of senator for Illinois," Berg said.

Further, Berg said he suspected Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that's why those records have been withheld by the campaign.

"I really think it's because it probably indicates he's from Kenya, or Indonesia, or received foreign aid," Berg said.

"I feel very confident saying these things," Berg told Savage.

This is another source that mentons the name of the hospital in Kenya: The Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Solana had been very busy..check Consilium Europa, especially his meeting (speech) tomorrow about us post the US elections.
OK, OK, OK, enough already, I can't take any more hoaxes: First we have Al Gore's gobal warming, next comes Obama being a constitutionally qualified President, followed by Obama's stimulus plan, but now we have Robert Reich telling us why we need stronger unions. Are we heading for Saturday Night Live 24/7?
To Ted (11:57 AM):
Re: "Are we heading for Saturday Night Live 24/7?"


No, Ted. Saturday Night Live is funny. This is not!!!
We also have a Stimulus Plan Part 2 in Australia - 42 Billion Aussie Dollars to promote spending. As some have said it is just increasing debt. However, it may not get passed by the Senate as the government is outnumbered there.

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