Sunday, June 08, 2008

War on the Saints?

A FASCINATING EXPLANATORY SPEECH BY AN EU OFFICIAL ON THE PROGRESS OF THE 'REVITALISED BARCELONA PROCESS':  READ ABOUT IT BY CLICKING HERE:

UPDATE ON LAST POST:  FOR THOSE WONDERING ABOUT DAVID MILIBAND, AS WRITTEN UP ON A RECENT POST, IT APPEARS HE IS ALREADY BEING SET UP BY THOSE OLDER AND MORE TREACHEROUS.  READ ALL ABOUT IT BY CLICKING HERE:

I just discovered Adam's Blog.  His subject today is "Making Christianity a Hate Crime."  He has a very listenable and well articulated podcast account  (which I just surfed upon) is accurate, a Canadian Catholic priest is being prosecuted by Canada's Human Rights Commission for expressing traditional scriptural and Catholic Church teachings about the sacredness of marriage and against same-sex marriage.  His objections were expressed in the context of a debate.  It is MUST LISTENING and here is a tiny URL link to it.  I found it surfing information for Michelle Obama and discovered a startling fund raising letter by her posted at Prolifeblog and then a link to "Adam's Blog."  

Breaking News:  "kck" a participant on our board has just called my attention to some very current breaking news on Javier Solana and the "new era" ("New Age"?) being ushered in within Europe.  He is putting great pressure on the European Union to swiftly and massively militarize itself.   Stay tuned!



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Anonymous said...

I think I'll have Constance's comments about me printed up, enlarged and pasted on top of my monitor.

Those of us who have been spreading information on New Age work against the tide. With all of the research she has done Constance is not a regular on Savage, Hannity or Limbaugh. It's only concern about others that keeps us going.

I want to pay tribute to Dawn here. She is the future. Dawn is a gentle person who is gradually learning what world politics are about. She took a stand on my behalf when others kept quiet. She went against the quiet crowd. That is the kind of person we can only hope will continue the fight as some of us age out. There is a power in her that will not be denied.

Dorothy

Dawn said...

Dang that Will Smith. I am going back to my original position. That at the most Smith is heavily involved with Scientology and is in fact more of a New Ager. If anyone is interested the articles of my further research are from here: http://tinyurl.com/278euz
and here(be warned the title of this piece contains a bad word).
http://tinyurl.com/2f2l56
perhaps he gets a pass for doing so much 'work' for the organization.

Anonymous said...

Constance:

Maybe you can verify whether the following website is legitimate:

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentrat...

There is too much chilling detail to ignore or dismiss. It even includes a section on the coming "CopperCard" to be launched on July 4, 2008.

Do you have any information on this to share with us?

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Constance,
My comments would be a lot shorter if I didn't have to respond to ludecrous remarks like I have something in common with the MSOG. I have been accused of being a New Age plant on your blog, a heretic ( indirectly) arrogant, having false humility, etc, etc. and yet Dorothy, who attacks everyone on the blog seems to be above and beyond reproach.

I am not interested in becoming an expert on the Manifest Sons of God, but I did read enough about them to know that I have nothing in common with them. As I said to you before, if you want to level accusations why don't you look at the Scriptures that I provided and address my interpretations of them instead of trying to throw me into a box with theologies that have ABSOLUTELY nothing in common with what I think. There seem to be some people who can see through what is going on on your blog, then there are those that may not bother to look and will just accept what your saying is true.

I can honestly say that at this point I am beginning to lose a great deal of respect for what is going on here.

Here is another article on the MSOG, but a discernment website. All I can say is maybe you think you read what I wrote, but you didn't bother to read carefully or compare it to Scripture.

http://www.letusreason.org/latrain1.htm


I will say again, it is irresponsible to try to slander someone. If you know what I believe is so wrong, then go to the Scriptures that I quoted and tell me where my error is, otherwise please refrain from associating me with a group that I have nothing whatsoever in common with. As I might have said before, in a court of law you'd have to do a much better job of providing evidence than you have here, so don't lower your standards for me.

Here is one quote from the MSOG:

Bill Hamon writes, “The Church will gain victory over the last enemy, death. Victory speaks of a battle being fought. The last day saints will wage and win a warfare against death. The last generation saints will come to translating faith in preparation for participation in the translation.” (The Eternal Church, P.349)


I do not believe this at all. I believe Yeshua defeated death when He rose from the grave.

"The Central theme to Manifest Sons of God doctrine is the belief that sonship to God comes through higher revelation via apostles and prophets. The Christian life, has levels to go through, to reach maturity. The first level is that of servant of God, the next is that of friend of God, following this is to become a son of God and the realization of gods ourselves. much like the new age potential in man)"

This has no relationship to my beliefs either.

Constance, what in the world are you talking about?




I don't believe this either.

...or this:

"Some believe that the second coming of Jesus is to be “in the Church,” before he comes for the Church. That the Church, his body will actually become Christ on earth, glorious and triumphant. They will go Conquer the land and then rule the nations with a rod of iron. Some believe that after the Church has taken dominion over the nations, she will hasten the day that will call Jesus back to earth and hand the nations over to Him."

This is another belief that is so far off from my beliefs it's not funny........

Constance, you really need to read what I wrote and read the corresponding Scripture passages. I believe that Yeshua died for our sins, rose on the third day, is coming back. I believe in the bodily resurrection of the saints at the end of the Tribulation, I believe that Yeshua will reign for 1000 with the saints in the Millennium kingdom, Satan will be unbound for a short time and after he goes to his final defeat, the New Jerusalem will descend and it will last forever. I believe that Yeshua and the YHVH are echad ( one) I believe that all Scripture is God-breath and useful for training in righteous, reproving and rebuking.

I believe that God's covenants with Israel are eternal, and that all that He said He would do from Genesis to Revelations has either already come to pass or will at sometime in the future.


I believe that we are called to go to all the nations and make disciples. I believe the gospel will go out to all the nations and then the end will come.

I believe that Man is inherently sinful since the Fall in the Garden when Satan tempted Adam and Eve and they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and cannot save himself only Yeshua can us through His death and resurrection. Once someone comes into a relationship with Yeshua, the natural fruit of that is to walk in obedience to His Word, through the power of His indwelling Holy Spirit which guides us in all truth. I could probably go on and on, but I think most on the blog get the idea. If this is a place that is hostile to Bible believers and believers in Yeshua, then perhaps the New Age agenda is not our only worry? We might have to worry about friendly fire?

I'll try to keep my comments brief, you would refrain from trying to undermine my reputation. I think this is quite fair.
Thank you,
Joyce

björn said...

Dear Dorothy happy to see you back!
Constance, great guest tomorrow!
regarding Kosovo:
"Thursday, 12 June 2008
Javier SOLANA, European Union High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security
Policy (CFSP), is travelling to Paris to participate in the International Conference in Support for
Afghanistan that will be held on Thursday, 12 June 2008.
In the margins of the conference, Javier Solana will meet UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon"
source: consilium.eu

Constance Cumbey said...

I've bookmarked the "liberyforlife" webspot and will be analyzing it. I have a mandatory seminar this morning in federal court on electronic filings and a very busy day facing me with rugged weather warnings for SE Michigan.

Constance

Bleedin Red White and Blue Baby! said...

Dorothy,

My name is JD Lucas, I live in Battle Creek, Michigan. My email can be reached by clicking my name here in the posts and clicking on my email link. Would you care to repost your info as all I have seen you post as is annonymous. I'm not saying you haven't provided such, I just don't have time to dig through a couple years worth of posts. I am glad you have shown yourself to be civil and hope to continue this conversation in such a manner. I hope despite a difference of opinion we can show posters the ability to do such. Understand this is not meant as sarcasm but genuine desire. Every one here does not view you as an enemy, nor are all disagreeing comments meant as insults or attacks. Feel free to email me if you wish.

JD

Constance Cumbey said...

JD, so you are a fellow Michigander! Great!

Constance

Anonymous said...

Joyce is on to something people; many of you seem to want to miss, or assign into a box,(BI) so as not to look at it-continue to study...I know because the Lord has been showing me the same thing,( I am not a jew) for months now, and as she has said, it has nothing to do with the 'British Israelism' seen/taught by a faction in the American church. I showed up on the blog by accident to read her words, encouraged by confirmation to questions I have only secretly asked the Lord about,knowing the church would 'attack' if I asked 'them'... I printed out your references-thank you!

I for one appreciate her 'voice' here, it is new, different, but not without great relevance, and good for the blog. Is 'welcome' still appropriate?

I must say, without trying to referee or anything, that Constance jumped on her in a pretty out of line way;

"Joyce, you may think you have nothing in common with the MSOG Movement, but I do presently believe you have more in common with them than you presently suspect."

How would you deduce this from this blog alone? Constance has done this with me before- assuming I fit in one box, simply from a short question I asked. Immediatly she assumed I was unsaved/new age, another time seeking and lost; and another part of the new age to infiltrate the blog...better to ask questions if in doubt,( hey when you say this- I think this, was that your intention?) answer the questions and ask for clarification rather than hurt with words of accusation/condemnation. (our words matter!)

We all see through a glass darkly, lets let go of pride and trusting in our own wisdom or level of knowledge- none of us has arrived yet! We all have much to learn; I guarantee it! Most of the time the behavior is great here, but something flared, and sometimes it is revelation of truth unwanted.

Joyce, I would love to visit your blog-see what God is showing you; we don't have to agree, but you may have some keys in understanding I am looking for...

~Sleepless in Seattle

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