Tuesday, August 22, 2006
Will Solana send warships against Iran as he did against Canada?
WILL JAVIER SOLANA ACT AS QUICKLY AGAINST IRAN AS HE DID AGAINST CANADA IN MARCH 1995?
Update: Solana didn't need to send the warships. Iran already gave it back. Read about it at http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agUEW.vH2l3o&refer=home
Today Iran seized an EU country oil rig for allegedly violating its Persian Gulf water space. It accused the European drilling company owning the rig of “hijacking” another rig. Herb Peters has reported his personal belief that this will force Solana “to show the stuff he is made of.” Read all about it here. Well, perhaps there is historical precedent to predict the stuff of which Javier Solana is made. I have written about it in back blogspots. Read all about that here!
In March of 1995, Javier Solana, getting ready to enter his 6 month coinciding presidencies of the European Union and the ten nation Western European Union (WEU) faced a potentially non-cooperative Morocco. As Solana was also putting together his planned Barcelona Process, he badly needed Morocco’s cooperation. As most know, there is little love historically lost between Spain and Morocco. Conflicts continue to this very day. Morocco demanded concessions and Solana was in a position to award them. First, Morocco demanded the right to sell produce in the European markets. “Granted,” said Mr. Solana and associates. That cut into potential markets for at least Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, and Greece. Then Morocco made the cruelest cut of all. They demanded that Spain immediately cease and desist fishing its coastal waters. “Granted,” said Mr. Solana and his Spanish government cohorts. (Remember, Solana was a mere foreign minister of one of 12 EU countries at that time – Spain.)
This resulted in approximately 600 unemployed fishing trawlers with owners and crews sitting angrily in Spanish ports. They were, as I recall, even threatening a national strike.
Now, it's kind of hard to be a great world leader and have revolution brewing in one’s back yard. The ever clever Dr. Solana and his respective think tanks came up with a solution: GO FISH CANADA.
They did. They fished Canada’s halibut, cod, and turbot stocks almost to the point of extinction. They focused their fishing efforts on Canada’s Newfoundland coastal area. Canadians were not happy. They complained to the USA which helped pinpoint illegal Spanish fishing methods. Canada’s smoking gun came when the Estai, a Spanish trawler strayed into Canadian waters. Canada took it into custody.
What did our “very good friend” Javier Solana thereafter do? He promptly dispatched three (3 count ‘em) warships against Canada. Then he gave a press conference which should have been infamous for its double talk. “Yes, there are international treaties regarding fishing”, said Dr. Solana. But, he continued, they govern only the types of fish caught and not the amount. “If we are going to place limits on fishing, they should apply to all countries alike and not just to Spain”, he continued. Then, most audaciously and historically dubious of all, he gave his grand finale by proclaiming that “besides, the Spaniards discovered those Newfoundland fishing banks. Therefore, we should have every right to exploit them.”
Well, how did all this play out? Like about everything else Dr. Solana has ever done, he came out smelling like a rose. Immediately after the Israeli treaty was signed, but before the Barcelona Conference opened on November 27-28, 1995, he concluded a new fishing treaty with Morocco permitting the Spanish fishermen to return to its fishing banks. This gave Canada some reassurance that the Spanish ships would no longer be a threat. Never mind that it would take years for the severely depleted fishing stocks to recover! Then he concluded the Barcelona Process, was given sole credit for the “diplomatic accomplishment,” and only two days later, he was unanimously made the new dark horse candidate head of NATO. Canada, of course, was one of the countries voting for him. My bet is that they did so under USA duress.
Oh, and did Canada remember? Evidently not. In 2006 under the leadership of former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, Canada signed a treaty to contribute its troops to Solana’s European armies. If you’ve clicked on the “read all about it above,” you will find ready links to that story.
Well, it should be equally interesting to watch this one play out. I’m betting that Solana ends up working this one to his advantage as well – after all he wanted “emergency powers” and as we all know, in those Club of Rome circles, “crisis = opportunity.”
Well, I wonder how long until Europe sends warships to Iran? I wonder how long until Iran sends soldiers to Solana’s EU army? I wonder when that moon will be red again? I wonder if I’m right or wrong!
As friend and co-reporter Herb Peters admonishes, stay tuned!
Update: Solana didn't need to send the warships. Iran already gave it back. Read about it at http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agUEW.vH2l3o&refer=home
Today Iran seized an EU country oil rig for allegedly violating its Persian Gulf water space. It accused the European drilling company owning the rig of “hijacking” another rig. Herb Peters has reported his personal belief that this will force Solana “to show the stuff he is made of.” Read all about it here. Well, perhaps there is historical precedent to predict the stuff of which Javier Solana is made. I have written about it in back blogspots. Read all about that here!
In March of 1995, Javier Solana, getting ready to enter his 6 month coinciding presidencies of the European Union and the ten nation Western European Union (WEU) faced a potentially non-cooperative Morocco. As Solana was also putting together his planned Barcelona Process, he badly needed Morocco’s cooperation. As most know, there is little love historically lost between Spain and Morocco. Conflicts continue to this very day. Morocco demanded concessions and Solana was in a position to award them. First, Morocco demanded the right to sell produce in the European markets. “Granted,” said Mr. Solana and associates. That cut into potential markets for at least Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, and Greece. Then Morocco made the cruelest cut of all. They demanded that Spain immediately cease and desist fishing its coastal waters. “Granted,” said Mr. Solana and his Spanish government cohorts. (Remember, Solana was a mere foreign minister of one of 12 EU countries at that time – Spain.)
This resulted in approximately 600 unemployed fishing trawlers with owners and crews sitting angrily in Spanish ports. They were, as I recall, even threatening a national strike.
Now, it's kind of hard to be a great world leader and have revolution brewing in one’s back yard. The ever clever Dr. Solana and his respective think tanks came up with a solution: GO FISH CANADA.
They did. They fished Canada’s halibut, cod, and turbot stocks almost to the point of extinction. They focused their fishing efforts on Canada’s Newfoundland coastal area. Canadians were not happy. They complained to the USA which helped pinpoint illegal Spanish fishing methods. Canada’s smoking gun came when the Estai, a Spanish trawler strayed into Canadian waters. Canada took it into custody.
What did our “very good friend” Javier Solana thereafter do? He promptly dispatched three (3 count ‘em) warships against Canada. Then he gave a press conference which should have been infamous for its double talk. “Yes, there are international treaties regarding fishing”, said Dr. Solana. But, he continued, they govern only the types of fish caught and not the amount. “If we are going to place limits on fishing, they should apply to all countries alike and not just to Spain”, he continued. Then, most audaciously and historically dubious of all, he gave his grand finale by proclaiming that “besides, the Spaniards discovered those Newfoundland fishing banks. Therefore, we should have every right to exploit them.”
Well, how did all this play out? Like about everything else Dr. Solana has ever done, he came out smelling like a rose. Immediately after the Israeli treaty was signed, but before the Barcelona Conference opened on November 27-28, 1995, he concluded a new fishing treaty with Morocco permitting the Spanish fishermen to return to its fishing banks. This gave Canada some reassurance that the Spanish ships would no longer be a threat. Never mind that it would take years for the severely depleted fishing stocks to recover! Then he concluded the Barcelona Process, was given sole credit for the “diplomatic accomplishment,” and only two days later, he was unanimously made the new dark horse candidate head of NATO. Canada, of course, was one of the countries voting for him. My bet is that they did so under USA duress.
Oh, and did Canada remember? Evidently not. In 2006 under the leadership of former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, Canada signed a treaty to contribute its troops to Solana’s European armies. If you’ve clicked on the “read all about it above,” you will find ready links to that story.
Well, it should be equally interesting to watch this one play out. I’m betting that Solana ends up working this one to his advantage as well – after all he wanted “emergency powers” and as we all know, in those Club of Rome circles, “crisis = opportunity.”
Well, I wonder how long until Europe sends warships to Iran? I wonder how long until Iran sends soldiers to Solana’s EU army? I wonder when that moon will be red again? I wonder if I’m right or wrong!
As friend and co-reporter Herb Peters admonishes, stay tuned!
Comments:
And oh won't it look so impressive when Solana stands up to Iran and either takes action or talks his way out of not talking a firm stand by going the agreement route.
Since Solana goes into stealth mode with his actions, we never quite know whether he succeeds.
By the way here a cute question and answer based on the fauxphotography.
Q: Why does Nasrallah look so successful?
A: Hiz bull ahhh!
Since Solana goes into stealth mode with his actions, we never quite know whether he succeeds.
By the way here a cute question and answer based on the fauxphotography.
Q: Why does Nasrallah look so successful?
A: Hiz bull ahhh!
# posted by 
: 12:18 AM
: 12:18 AM
Has anyone wondered if we should simply leave Iran alone? We are still facing the blowback for overthrowing their government in '53 (when we threw out Time magazine's Man of the Year from '52). If we try to destabilize--or worse--them again, who knows what will happen?
# posted by : 2:23 AM
: 2:23 AM
Hey Davidinbattlecreek,
Did you write up the blog on Earl Creps?
http://unfoldingprophecy.com/david/?p=13
Sorry to all if this is off topic.
Did you write up the blog on Earl Creps?
http://unfoldingprophecy.com/david/?p=13
Sorry to all if this is off topic.
To writer with "leave Iran alone" question: You make some excellent points and inspired research of my own. I googled the 1953 situation and here's one interesting link with some detail on that CIA escapade:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.
com/CIA%20Hits/Iran_CIAHits.html
By the way, if anybody knows how or the principles behind the "short url" links, clue me in. Thanks!
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.
com/CIA%20Hits/Iran_CIAHits.html
By the way, if anybody knows how or the principles behind the "short url" links, clue me in. Thanks!
Earl Creps is a professor in the A of G theological seminary. He seems to be pushing the Emerging church movement along with it;s baggage (namely contemplative prayer) in the Assemblies of God. I read through his blog yesterday, there is not denying it. Anyway, I saw a blog from a guy named David and it looked very similar to what Davidinbattlecreek wrote.
On topic,
It truly amazes me to see all that is going on in the world, to understand bible prophecy makes it even more amazing. I am concerned with christians in American that are too busy or plain don;t think that prophecy is relevant. After all, "no one knows the day or hour, right?". A misuse of scripture, christians are good at that. We are in the end time and anyone who doesn't think so needs to get in the word a little more.
It truly amazes me to see all that is going on in the world, to understand bible prophecy makes it even more amazing. I am concerned with christians in American that are too busy or plain don;t think that prophecy is relevant. After all, "no one knows the day or hour, right?". A misuse of scripture, christians are good at that. We are in the end time and anyone who doesn't think so needs to get in the word a little more.
Dear Jboldt,
The evidence that you are right certainly seems to be accruing! Everybody should be "watching very closely"
The evidence that you are right certainly seems to be accruing! Everybody should be "watching very closely"
# posted by : 6:47 AM
: 6:47 AM
NEWS FLASH! Solana doesn't need to send the warships. Iran already gave it back! I've updated the blogspot article and sure would appreciate the "Short URL solution"
Constance,
Go to www.tinyurl.com and enter then enter the long URL, click on their button that converts it to a tiny one and there you go.
Rich
Go to www.tinyurl.com and enter then enter the long URL, click on their button that converts it to a tiny one and there you go.
Rich
# posted by : 9:09 AM
: 9:09 AM
Sorry, JBoldt, it wasn't me. I never even heard of Earl Creps. I do actually have a blog, but I wouldn't call what I wrote "articles." My last entry on my blog had to do with bashing shows on Playhouse Disney. Now, that's way off the topic. I usually stick to my DavidinBattleCreek tag so everyone will know there's more than just cereal going on here in Battle Creek.
Besides, for the record, I'm not in favor at all with contemplative prayer. After reading the latest Herescope entries I'm even more convinced. On Herescope there's a review of an online book dealing with Rick Warren. It's very interesting. I haven't read the whole book.
What's interesting about the oil rig incident is I have not heard a single word about it in the media. If it was an American rig, it certainly would have made it.
As for backing off Iran I think we all learned are lessons from Hitler about the dangers of doing this. Of course, if this is part of the fulfillment of prophecy, there isn't much we can do about it. Except pray. You know, in the normal method of prayer that Jesus instructed us to do.
Question: why is Iran and North Korea both being so confrontational virtually at the same time? Do they have a secret phone line?
What's interesting about the oil rig incident is I have not heard a single word about it in the media. If it was an American rig, it certainly would have made it.
As for backing off Iran I think we all learned are lessons from Hitler about the dangers of doing this. Of course, if this is part of the fulfillment of prophecy, there isn't much we can do about it. Except pray. You know, in the normal method of prayer that Jesus instructed us to do.
Question: why is Iran and North Korea both being so confrontational virtually at the same time? Do they have a secret phone line?
Ok, here's the "tiny url" link to the Solana 1995 fishing war statements:
http://tinyurl.com/gdc73
Thanks for the tip!
http://tinyurl.com/gdc73
Thanks for the tip!
If Iran develops a nuclear weapon, it would no doubt threaten the U.S. Trusting Iran with nuclear weapons is like trusting Hitler when he said he would not attack Poland.
Jboldt73: I completely empathize with you. I think Revelation 3:15 speaks directly to us (the modern Christian Church, especially in the US):
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
I'll go even further to write that I think verses 16-19 speak to our 'condition,' including pre-trib rapture notions. In praying on this I was led to Hebrews 11 and 12, which I'll only paste a portion of:
"4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."[a]
7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. 9Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! 10Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. 11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."
So, while the elect will be spared from God's wrath, I believe that we will all be refined by "fire", have opportunity to "clean our garments," put "salve on our eyes," etc., and endure the tribulation even unto death.
I'm getting onto a rant, and apologize folks...this is all new, and exciting, and terrorifying, and wonderful for me. So, back on topic...from the media today:
"...Rice, meanwhile, telephoned Javier Solana, the senior European Union diplomat who oversees exchanges with Iran. No account of their conversation, nor of her meeting with the president, was provided."
-New in Christ
P.S. I have received some very good guidance from folks here...please feel free to continue!!!
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
I'll go even further to write that I think verses 16-19 speak to our 'condition,' including pre-trib rapture notions. In praying on this I was led to Hebrews 11 and 12, which I'll only paste a portion of:
"4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."[a]
7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. 9Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! 10Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. 11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."
So, while the elect will be spared from God's wrath, I believe that we will all be refined by "fire", have opportunity to "clean our garments," put "salve on our eyes," etc., and endure the tribulation even unto death.
I'm getting onto a rant, and apologize folks...this is all new, and exciting, and terrorifying, and wonderful for me. So, back on topic...from the media today:
"...Rice, meanwhile, telephoned Javier Solana, the senior European Union diplomat who oversees exchanges with Iran. No account of their conversation, nor of her meeting with the president, was provided."
-New in Christ
P.S. I have received some very good guidance from folks here...please feel free to continue!!!
# posted by : 11:14 PM
: 11:14 PM
A friend told me that a large amount of military transport planes exited the Twin Cities airport yesterday. Having lived there, I've witnessed that myself whenever we enter into a war. I'm not saying that's what we're going to do, but the timing is interesting.
# posted by : 9:12 AM
: 9:12 AM
As part of the "now you see us, now you don't game" so often played by Solana and company, not to mention the entire New Age Movement, the usual links on Recommendation 666 have disappeared. I have found, however, that it can be found among the following documents on this PDF site maintained by the WEU. If you haven't archived it before, I suggest you go there IMMEDIATELY and do so now:
http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_
ordinaires/txt/2000/jun00_txts_
adopted.php
I tried unsuccessfully to convert it to a short url. Sorry!
http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_
ordinaires/txt/2000/jun00_txts_
adopted.php
I tried unsuccessfully to convert it to a short url. Sorry!
VERY IMPORTANT! Jost posted on Drudge--Israel may go it alone against Iran.
This may explain all the military planes leaving the Twin Cities.
http://tinyurl.com/n3pma
This may explain all the military planes leaving the Twin Cities.
http://tinyurl.com/n3pma
# posted by : 12:04 PM
: 12:04 PM
Thought you would find this one of interest after what happened in Michigan.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51655
or http://tinyurl.com/qoj7v
ON CAPITOL HILL
Alabama Christian Coalition leaves national group
Voter guides, IRS rules, broadened agenda cited as reasons
"...He said the national group has been moving to the left ever since a 2003 campaign by the national group opposed the statewide organization on the issue of a tax increase.
"Recently there was an article where she talked about a new vision. We don't know anything about a new vision," Giles said. He cited the environment, minimum wage and net neutrality all as important issues, but not the ones the Christian Coalition of Alabama chooses to pursue. "...
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51655
or http://tinyurl.com/qoj7v
ON CAPITOL HILL
Alabama Christian Coalition leaves national group
Voter guides, IRS rules, broadened agenda cited as reasons
"...He said the national group has been moving to the left ever since a 2003 campaign by the national group opposed the statewide organization on the issue of a tax increase.
"Recently there was an article where she talked about a new vision. We don't know anything about a new vision," Giles said. He cited the environment, minimum wage and net neutrality all as important issues, but not the ones the Christian Coalition of Alabama chooses to pursue. "...
# posted by : 12:31 PM
: 12:31 PM
Connie, you can use this tiny url for a link to the site you directed us to, but you have to open it in a new window.
http://tinyurl.com/o4vjt
Lesson learned today about this site. In the past a url could be followed outside of the border with a mouse so as to be captured. Today it ended at the border for me, making a url incomplete. (Website minutemen? LOL)
Anonymous 9:12, at this time of the year National Guard is doing summer reserve training. In the past, on other websites, people have gotten all excited when they saw equipment on the road or being transported by train.
http://tinyurl.com/o4vjt
Lesson learned today about this site. In the past a url could be followed outside of the border with a mouse so as to be captured. Today it ended at the border for me, making a url incomplete. (Website minutemen? LOL)
Anonymous 9:12, at this time of the year National Guard is doing summer reserve training. In the past, on other websites, people have gotten all excited when they saw equipment on the road or being transported by train.
# posted by : 12:42 PM
: 12:42 PM
Constance, I don't know how to archive a website. I'm sure I speak for others among us who are utterly clueless. Thanks for any tips you can provide.
I am looking for a reliable link to any web site that shows various wars/revolutions with their corresponding death tolls. Would appreciate any help.
# posted by : 1:35 PM
: 1:35 PM
New in Christ:
I do believe you are right when describing a lot of the churches, or even the majority of churches here in the U.S. I have already been washed by the blood of Christ, and will not need the tribulation to wash me cleen.
Rev. 3:10
"Because you have kept My command to perevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole wold, to test those who dwell on the earth". I am ready to be 'caught up' and why? Jesus referenced that there would be people dwelling someplace else other than earth. Why would he need to tell us "those that dwell upon the whole world" We have been told this in many places of the Bible.
Luke 21:35
"For it will come as a snare on those who dwell on the face of the whole earth".
There is the 'face of the whole earth' comment again. He is making this statement because there is another place that humans dwell.
Luke 21:36
"Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
Notice that He says we have a chance to escape all these things? Also where will we be when we escape these things? Before Jesus Christ Himself in heaven. I am an optomist, my glass is half full, not half empty. But more than that, my glass is overflowing because I am already paid for by the Blood of Christ. I don't need to be washed again. I am proud to be called 'a child of God' through Jesus Christ my Lord. This is not something I will have to work for during the tribulation. I have been accepted by faith.
If your happy and you know it clap your hands!
I do believe you are right when describing a lot of the churches, or even the majority of churches here in the U.S. I have already been washed by the blood of Christ, and will not need the tribulation to wash me cleen.
Rev. 3:10
"Because you have kept My command to perevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole wold, to test those who dwell on the earth". I am ready to be 'caught up' and why? Jesus referenced that there would be people dwelling someplace else other than earth. Why would he need to tell us "those that dwell upon the whole world" We have been told this in many places of the Bible.
Luke 21:35
"For it will come as a snare on those who dwell on the face of the whole earth".
There is the 'face of the whole earth' comment again. He is making this statement because there is another place that humans dwell.
Luke 21:36
"Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
Notice that He says we have a chance to escape all these things? Also where will we be when we escape these things? Before Jesus Christ Himself in heaven. I am an optomist, my glass is half full, not half empty. But more than that, my glass is overflowing because I am already paid for by the Blood of Christ. I don't need to be washed again. I am proud to be called 'a child of God' through Jesus Christ my Lord. This is not something I will have to work for during the tribulation. I have been accepted by faith.
If your happy and you know it clap your hands!
# posted by : 5:05 PM
: 5:05 PM
I found this picture quite interesting.
http://apnews.myway.com/image/20060824/GERMANY_US_NUCLEAR__IRAN.sff_MSC112_20060824135321.html?date=20060824&docid=D8JN0PO80
A shadow of things to come?Yes!!!
http://apnews.myway.com/image/20060824/GERMANY_US_NUCLEAR__IRAN.sff_MSC112_20060824135321.html?date=20060824&docid=D8JN0PO80
A shadow of things to come?Yes!!!
# posted by : 5:23 PM
: 5:23 PM
http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/08/17/30-days-new-age/
or http://tinyurl.com/efpmv
A review of a television show where a man tries New Age practices for 30 days. One of the paragraphs.
New Age is a big business. According to Morgan Spurlock, it brings in $50 billion a year in the U.S. alone, however the publisher of Skeptic magazine says it's all a crock. There definitely is quite a bit of skepticism around about these practices, but somebody is doing it from the looks of things! Tom engages in more rituals such as tribal dancing--
or http://tinyurl.com/efpmv
A review of a television show where a man tries New Age practices for 30 days. One of the paragraphs.
New Age is a big business. According to Morgan Spurlock, it brings in $50 billion a year in the U.S. alone, however the publisher of Skeptic magazine says it's all a crock. There definitely is quite a bit of skepticism around about these practices, but somebody is doing it from the looks of things! Tom engages in more rituals such as tribal dancing--
# posted by : 7:59 PM
: 7:59 PM
Just wanted to say they were sending US troops from Germany to undisclosed places.
Also, my husband was sent a web site that listed all sorts of info on us & you could buy ss #'s etc. The site is www.zabasearch.com/
Do they want people stealing identities? We don't know who is suppling this info either.
Charlotte
Also, my husband was sent a web site that listed all sorts of info on us & you could buy ss #'s etc. The site is www.zabasearch.com/
Do they want people stealing identities? We don't know who is suppling this info either.
Charlotte
# posted by : 8:35 PM
: 8:35 PM
Just checked out Zaba site using family names. Some of the information is not accurate. It's worth anyone's time to see what is going on...
# posted by : 9:19 PM
: 9:19 PM
I have four ways I archive materials from websites:
1. If in MicroSoft Browser, try saving the file in *.mht extension format, e.g. File name.mht You can use the internet name already given the file, or rename it to something meaningful to you and then save to the directory file assigned by the topic. I personally manage mine as one large filing cabinet with "A Files", "B Files", "C Files, etc." and subfolders within those files. Those files in their turn are part of a larger inclusive file called "research." I also have a separate C Drive file called "Prophetic Websites," where I have separate files for such sites as "fulfilledprophecy.com"
Another excellent way to archive is with Adobe Acrobat Professional or one of its act alike pdf filecreation substitutes.
Another excellent program for cut and paste archiving is MicroSoft ONE NOTE program.
If worse comes to worse, cut and paste it into your notebook or if space is a real concern, save it in *.txt format.
Hope this helps!
2.
1. If in MicroSoft Browser, try saving the file in *.mht extension format, e.g. File name.mht You can use the internet name already given the file, or rename it to something meaningful to you and then save to the directory file assigned by the topic. I personally manage mine as one large filing cabinet with "A Files", "B Files", "C Files, etc." and subfolders within those files. Those files in their turn are part of a larger inclusive file called "research." I also have a separate C Drive file called "Prophetic Websites," where I have separate files for such sites as "fulfilledprophecy.com"
Another excellent way to archive is with Adobe Acrobat Professional or one of its act alike pdf filecreation substitutes.
Another excellent program for cut and paste archiving is MicroSoft ONE NOTE program.
If worse comes to worse, cut and paste it into your notebook or if space is a real concern, save it in *.txt format.
Hope this helps!
2.
Constance, I'm not a computer geek - my (admittedly informal) training is in medical matters, and not in computer matters. Most of the suggestions you had made went right over my head. I'm sorry to say this.
BTW, I'd be glad to write up anything you might want about the New Age influence on health care - even in allegedly Christian health care institutions, the New Agers are taking over with the radical alternative-medicine nostrums. I can email you privately with this info if you wish.
BTW, I'd be glad to write up anything you might want about the New Age influence on health care - even in allegedly Christian health care institutions, the New Agers are taking over with the radical alternative-medicine nostrums. I can email you privately with this info if you wish.
Robin, if you could contact Connie with your contact information, I would appreciate it. I would be passing it on to others who are concerned about holistic health as it is the part of New Age that concerns them. If you leave your phone number at her office, I can get it from her.
# posted by : 1:38 PM
: 1:38 PM
It looks like the EU finally has a force together for the UN. Suddenly, those reluctant EU nations are ready to commit troops. What made them suddenly change their minds? And almost all ten WEU nations have made a military contribution. Herb Peters has more to say about this. Check it out!
Here's another interesting article tidbit from Lighthouse Trail Research's newsletter on Rick Warren:
On August 17th, acclaimed interviewer and broadcast journalist Charlie Rose interviewed Rick Warren.
In the interview, Rose and Warren discuss the Purpose Driven Life paradigm and its relation to Christianity in North America and around the world. Here are a few of the comments:
1. Rick Warren states there are over 2 billion Christians in the world, and says that this number includes hundreds of millions of Catholics.
2. Warren said that, with regard to his book, "I couldn't figure out why it became such a phenomena. I think now it was because God wanted to provide a platform for these other issues we care about." (Warren's 5 global giants)
3. "I've been taking people, irreligious people, people with no background in any kind of faith or they haven't been to church or synagogue or temple in forty years ... and we take them where they need to be.... My goal is to move the American church [away] from self-centered consumerism.
This interview showed very clearly Warren's dream to see Christians and Catholics join together, stating that "minor doctrinal differences" should not keep them separated. "What I am interested in is bringing the church together ... we are never going to agree on a lot of things, but I found we do agree on purpose." He talked about the purposes that all Catholics and Protestants agree on.
But as he has done so many times in the past, Warren took his ecumenism a big step further than just a union of Catholics and Protestants. As Warren did at the Pew Forum on Religion last year, he explained to Rose his "man of peace" concept and said that every village, every government, every place has a man (or woman) of peace: "The man of peace is open and influential ... and here's the other thing, the man of peace does not have to be a Christian believer ... could be Muslim, could be Jewish." Warren said that Jesus sent out his disciples to go find the man of peace in every village. He said Jesus sent them out to find people who would work with them on solving poverty, sickness and the other problems of the world.(He said that they did not have to agree with the disciples message or beliefs.) In the same vein, Warren said that we don't have to have the same religion or moral beliefs to work with people on poverty, disease, etc. As an example he said he just met with the President of the gay-activist group ACT UP, and asked him, "Eric [Sawyer], how can I help you get your message out?" Sawyer answered, "Use your moral authority." Warren then said to Rose, "I'm working with these guys ... I'm looking for a coalition of civility, which means let's get back to the original meaning of tolerance. (See our previous post on Rick Warren's "coalition of civility.")
Warren has made a terrible distortion of what Scripture actually says. Jesus told his disciples to go out and call people to repentance whereas Warren is suggesting that we are to ignore our differences (including moral differences) and work together for peace (peace was not a goal that Jesus gave the disciples but rather was a blessing the disciples could give to a house that received their message):
These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.... Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!" Matthew 10:5- 15
"Who's the man of peace in any village - or it might be a woman of peace - who has the most respect, they're open and they're influential? They don't have to be a Christian. In fact, they could be a Muslim, but they're open and they're influential and you work with them to attack the five giants. And that's going to bring the second Reformation." Rick Warren, May 23, 2005, Pew Forum on Religion
On August 17th, acclaimed interviewer and broadcast journalist Charlie Rose interviewed Rick Warren.
In the interview, Rose and Warren discuss the Purpose Driven Life paradigm and its relation to Christianity in North America and around the world. Here are a few of the comments:
1. Rick Warren states there are over 2 billion Christians in the world, and says that this number includes hundreds of millions of Catholics.
2. Warren said that, with regard to his book, "I couldn't figure out why it became such a phenomena. I think now it was because God wanted to provide a platform for these other issues we care about." (Warren's 5 global giants)
3. "I've been taking people, irreligious people, people with no background in any kind of faith or they haven't been to church or synagogue or temple in forty years ... and we take them where they need to be.... My goal is to move the American church [away] from self-centered consumerism.
This interview showed very clearly Warren's dream to see Christians and Catholics join together, stating that "minor doctrinal differences" should not keep them separated. "What I am interested in is bringing the church together ... we are never going to agree on a lot of things, but I found we do agree on purpose." He talked about the purposes that all Catholics and Protestants agree on.
But as he has done so many times in the past, Warren took his ecumenism a big step further than just a union of Catholics and Protestants. As Warren did at the Pew Forum on Religion last year, he explained to Rose his "man of peace" concept and said that every village, every government, every place has a man (or woman) of peace: "The man of peace is open and influential ... and here's the other thing, the man of peace does not have to be a Christian believer ... could be Muslim, could be Jewish." Warren said that Jesus sent out his disciples to go find the man of peace in every village. He said Jesus sent them out to find people who would work with them on solving poverty, sickness and the other problems of the world.(He said that they did not have to agree with the disciples message or beliefs.) In the same vein, Warren said that we don't have to have the same religion or moral beliefs to work with people on poverty, disease, etc. As an example he said he just met with the President of the gay-activist group ACT UP, and asked him, "Eric [Sawyer], how can I help you get your message out?" Sawyer answered, "Use your moral authority." Warren then said to Rose, "I'm working with these guys ... I'm looking for a coalition of civility, which means let's get back to the original meaning of tolerance. (See our previous post on Rick Warren's "coalition of civility.")
Warren has made a terrible distortion of what Scripture actually says. Jesus told his disciples to go out and call people to repentance whereas Warren is suggesting that we are to ignore our differences (including moral differences) and work together for peace (peace was not a goal that Jesus gave the disciples but rather was a blessing the disciples could give to a house that received their message):
These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.... Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!" Matthew 10:5- 15
"Who's the man of peace in any village - or it might be a woman of peace - who has the most respect, they're open and they're influential? They don't have to be a Christian. In fact, they could be a Muslim, but they're open and they're influential and you work with them to attack the five giants. And that's going to bring the second Reformation." Rick Warren, May 23, 2005, Pew Forum on Religion
David,
I really like that site, lighthousetrails. They really have done a good job at researching the (what I am going to refer to as) the ;ast days apostate church or Emerging Church.
I really like that site, lighthousetrails. They really have done a good job at researching the (what I am going to refer to as) the ;ast days apostate church or Emerging Church.
Constance, you already have my email address - I've emailed you privately before. I'll back that up with a phone call Monday morning. I can pull up your office phone number from your profile on this blog.
By the way, the August 25, 2006 Herescope entry is interesting. It talks about the "unity in diversity" idea as it applies to religious doctrine, and about how many New Agers (and, increasingly, many evangelical "Christians") are buying into the notion that all religions contain elements of the fullness of truth, and must all be considered valid.
This idea has even entered the post-Vatican II Catholic Church. It used to be that Catholics were taught that "outside the Church there is no salvation" - a concept many Protestants objected to. Nowadays, even the most loyal-to-the-Vatican Catholics are saying that all religions contain elements of truth (but that the Catholic Church contains the "fullness of truth").
By the way, the August 25, 2006 Herescope entry is interesting. It talks about the "unity in diversity" idea as it applies to religious doctrine, and about how many New Agers (and, increasingly, many evangelical "Christians") are buying into the notion that all religions contain elements of the fullness of truth, and must all be considered valid.
This idea has even entered the post-Vatican II Catholic Church. It used to be that Catholics were taught that "outside the Church there is no salvation" - a concept many Protestants objected to. Nowadays, even the most loyal-to-the-Vatican Catholics are saying that all religions contain elements of truth (but that the Catholic Church contains the "fullness of truth").
JBoldt,
Both Herescope and Lighthouse have done tireless work in exposing apostate movements sweeping churches. It's as if churches are engaged in a hostile take-over and no one is really noticing. Shining a spotlight on these movements, which I believe are very calculated plans started by the New Age Movement, is just as important as spotlighting Solana, the EU, and political events in the world, particularily in the Middle East.
Isn't it amazing how apostate movements are happening virtually at the same time as the events in the Middle East. And no one seems to even have a clue that it's happening. Is this just coincidence or are these the very same events God warned us about in the prophecies? Has anyone noticed any more red moons?
Both Herescope and Lighthouse have done tireless work in exposing apostate movements sweeping churches. It's as if churches are engaged in a hostile take-over and no one is really noticing. Shining a spotlight on these movements, which I believe are very calculated plans started by the New Age Movement, is just as important as spotlighting Solana, the EU, and political events in the world, particularily in the Middle East.
Isn't it amazing how apostate movements are happening virtually at the same time as the events in the Middle East. And no one seems to even have a clue that it's happening. Is this just coincidence or are these the very same events God warned us about in the prophecies? Has anyone noticed any more red moons?
Uh Oh! Israel is requesting arab nations to help make up the border security.
http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?id=13044107&ps=1012&cat=&cps=0&lang=en
This has got to be a deal invoving Solana. I wonder if this was the exact deal with the moderate muslim nations wanting to kickstart the road map to 'Piece' again.
Luke 21:20
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near."
1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they say,"peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
I'm afraid that the time is very soon upon them. May God protect Israel.
http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?id=13044107&ps=1012&cat=&cps=0&lang=en
This has got to be a deal invoving Solana. I wonder if this was the exact deal with the moderate muslim nations wanting to kickstart the road map to 'Piece' again.
Luke 21:20
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near."
1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they say,"peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
I'm afraid that the time is very soon upon them. May God protect Israel.
# posted by : 6:11 PM
: 6:11 PM
Robin, if you wanted to contribute an article on New Age influences on health care, I'm sure our readers would welcome it and so would I and I think I speak for Dorothy who is helping me, as well.
Rick Warren says every village etc has a "man of peace." Is that like a type of deputy antichrist for that area?
# posted by : 7:01 PM
: 7:01 PM
I've added a link to Vic Eliason's (WVCY-TV, Milwaukee)'s daughter's site, A SLICE OF LAODICEA. In her turn, she has a new story up about an extremely apostaste ELCA church with a woman pastor giving communion in the name of "the goddess". It is one of the most evil examples of pure apostasy I have seen yet and the scriptural correlation with what we are now viewing as apparent end time events is 'MEASURE THE SANCTUARY AND THOSE WHO WORSHIP THEREIN, BUT THE OUTER COURT LEAVE OUT FOR IT IS GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES FOR 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months." That is exactly the period for the reign of the antichrist. More than possible that those events could be and are in fact coinciding!
I agree that Herescope's latest entry is worthy of reading. An excerpt of an online book critical of the Purpose-driven movement shows an interesting comparison to statements written by Alice A. Bailey and statements made by Rick Warren. They were eerily similar.
At least the Purpose-driven movement doesn't go as far as the church Constance mentioned.
At least the Purpose-driven movement doesn't go as far as the church Constance mentioned.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3014581497309209211
http://tinyurl.com/quaho
One part of the video Occult History of the Third Reich. I found two other parts on the web, but I hesitate to give the site because it is intertwined with links that are conspiracy trouble.
If you haven't done any research on Nazis and the occult, this is an interesting introduction.
Connie has pointed out that Krishnamurti was groomed to be the messiah, but he backed out. It was suggested that Hitler was the "disciple on the Rhine" when the experiment was next tried, but obviously that experiment failed. Watch the language in this film which tends to confirm that.
Dorothy
http://tinyurl.com/quaho
One part of the video Occult History of the Third Reich. I found two other parts on the web, but I hesitate to give the site because it is intertwined with links that are conspiracy trouble.
If you haven't done any research on Nazis and the occult, this is an interesting introduction.
Connie has pointed out that Krishnamurti was groomed to be the messiah, but he backed out. It was suggested that Hitler was the "disciple on the Rhine" when the experiment was next tried, but obviously that experiment failed. Watch the language in this film which tends to confirm that.
Dorothy
# posted by : 11:01 PM
: 11:01 PM
Constance, I will email you later today, and back that up with a phone call to your office, probably Monday morning (8/28/2006).
I wish Herb Peters allowed comments on his blog/website like this blog allows them. He has so much to offer and to have that interactivity on his site, would promote even more reflection on his points (even though i disagree with him on his pre-wrath rapture comments as I too was once strongly in that camp of thinking).
Dorothy:
That link you posted for Hitler and the Nazzi movement was very good. It is truly amazing when watching it you cant help but compare the modern state of Iran to it. It shows Hitlers beginnings as well as the beliefs that got him there. Then time just falls in to play on the world scene. Iran has followed that exact same pattern. But at this point the president of Iran is about to make the move, just as hitler did. The time line of the Nazzi's is almost identicle to the movement in Iran. To say the least, it was well worth the watch, especially keeping Iran in mind while watching it. I'm sure there are other aspects to gain from watching it, but Iran came to the forefront for me. May Jesus open the Jewish eyes.
Thank-you.
That link you posted for Hitler and the Nazzi movement was very good. It is truly amazing when watching it you cant help but compare the modern state of Iran to it. It shows Hitlers beginnings as well as the beliefs that got him there. Then time just falls in to play on the world scene. Iran has followed that exact same pattern. But at this point the president of Iran is about to make the move, just as hitler did. The time line of the Nazzi's is almost identicle to the movement in Iran. To say the least, it was well worth the watch, especially keeping Iran in mind while watching it. I'm sure there are other aspects to gain from watching it, but Iran came to the forefront for me. May Jesus open the Jewish eyes.
Thank-you.
# posted by : 12:13 PM
: 12:13 PM
After reading Herb Peter's latest comments concerning the President of the Club of Rome I now understand how all these current church growth movements, including Purpose-Driven and Emergent church, fit in with all that's happening in the world. It's like right before a broadway production. The stage, actors and scenes all have to be in place.
Yesterday while mowing my lawn I didn't notice a yellow jacket nest. Yellow jacket's have very small nests about the size of a walnut, maybe a bit larger. If I had known it was there, I would've been more wary. Unfortunately, I didn't know it was there. I was stung five times. Even believers can get stung if they are unaware of possible dangers around them. There's not much we can do about yellow jackets, but there's plenty we can do to prepare for the events of the "end-times."
Yesterday while mowing my lawn I didn't notice a yellow jacket nest. Yellow jacket's have very small nests about the size of a walnut, maybe a bit larger. If I had known it was there, I would've been more wary. Unfortunately, I didn't know it was there. I was stung five times. Even believers can get stung if they are unaware of possible dangers around them. There's not much we can do about yellow jackets, but there's plenty we can do to prepare for the events of the "end-times."
Lighthouse trails gathered some interesting quotes from New Agers and those folks supporting contemplative prayer:
New Agers and Contemplatives Speak About Mysticism
"I would like to explore what I call interspirituality: a crossing-over boundaries that mysticism makes possible and concrete.... [t]he spiritual common ground which exists among the world’s religions." Wayne Teasdale (who coined the term interspirituality)
"[M]ysticism provides some hope for common ground between Christianity and Islam." Tony Campolo, Speaking My Mind
"The meditation of advanced occultists is identical with the prayer of advanced mystics: it is no accident that both traditions use the same word for the highest reaches of their respective activities ... occultism is defined as the science of mystical evolution; it is the employment of the hidden (i.e. occult) mystical faculties of man to discern the hidden reality of nature, i.e. to see God as the all in all." Richard Kirby, The Mission of Mysticism
"Mysticism is the awakening to and cultivation of transcendental consciousness. It is unitive awareness. All forms of mystical wisdom are unitive, that is, nondual. This is a significant point of convergence among the religions themselves." Wayne Teasdale
"Through the discipline of contemplative prayer, Christian leaders have to learn to listen to the voice of love ... For Christian leadership to be truly fruitful in the future, a movement from the moral to the mystical is required." Henri Nouwen, In the Name of Jesus (Recommended by Kay Warren, wife of Rick Warren)
"I built myself a prayer room—a tiny sanctuary in a basement closet filled with books on spiritual disciplines, contemplative prayer, and Christian mysticism. In that space I lit candles, burned incense, hung rosaries, and listened to tapes of Benedictine monks. I meditated for hours on words, images, and sounds. I reached the point of being able to achieve alpha brain patterns..."Mike Perschon, Youth Specialties Magazine, December 2004
"This mystical stream [contemplative prayer and other monastic traditions] is the Western bridge to Far Eastern spirituality." Tilden Edwards, Spiritual Friend (recommended by Richard Foster)
New Agers and Contemplatives Speak About Mysticism
"I would like to explore what I call interspirituality: a crossing-over boundaries that mysticism makes possible and concrete.... [t]he spiritual common ground which exists among the world’s religions." Wayne Teasdale (who coined the term interspirituality)
"[M]ysticism provides some hope for common ground between Christianity and Islam." Tony Campolo, Speaking My Mind
"The meditation of advanced occultists is identical with the prayer of advanced mystics: it is no accident that both traditions use the same word for the highest reaches of their respective activities ... occultism is defined as the science of mystical evolution; it is the employment of the hidden (i.e. occult) mystical faculties of man to discern the hidden reality of nature, i.e. to see God as the all in all." Richard Kirby, The Mission of Mysticism
"Mysticism is the awakening to and cultivation of transcendental consciousness. It is unitive awareness. All forms of mystical wisdom are unitive, that is, nondual. This is a significant point of convergence among the religions themselves." Wayne Teasdale
"Through the discipline of contemplative prayer, Christian leaders have to learn to listen to the voice of love ... For Christian leadership to be truly fruitful in the future, a movement from the moral to the mystical is required." Henri Nouwen, In the Name of Jesus (Recommended by Kay Warren, wife of Rick Warren)
"I built myself a prayer room—a tiny sanctuary in a basement closet filled with books on spiritual disciplines, contemplative prayer, and Christian mysticism. In that space I lit candles, burned incense, hung rosaries, and listened to tapes of Benedictine monks. I meditated for hours on words, images, and sounds. I reached the point of being able to achieve alpha brain patterns..."Mike Perschon, Youth Specialties Magazine, December 2004
"This mystical stream [contemplative prayer and other monastic traditions] is the Western bridge to Far Eastern spirituality." Tilden Edwards, Spiritual Friend (recommended by Richard Foster)
Gracewalk radio wrote:
"I wish Herb Peters allowed comments on his blog/website like this blog allows them."
Actually, he does allow them. There is a "button" for the Discussion Board near the top of his main webpage. The direct link is as follows:
http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/
His commentaries are nearly always copied into the "What do You Think (About News)" forum where they are discussed.
Hope it's helpful.
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
"I wish Herb Peters allowed comments on his blog/website like this blog allows them."
Actually, he does allow them. There is a "button" for the Discussion Board near the top of his main webpage. The direct link is as follows:
http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/
His commentaries are nearly always copied into the "What do You Think (About News)" forum where they are discussed.
Hope it's helpful.
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
# posted by : 6:11 PM
: 6:11 PM
Dorothy Margraf called three important "occult and third reich" type videos to my attention Saturday night. I have been trying to attach them to this blogging site but am running into technical problems doing so, getting message "unexpected response from blogger." I'm not sure what the problem is, but readers may want to download and view those extremely important videos for themselves, which they can do. To find them easily, use google.com search terms of "Hitler" and "occult" and then hit the video tab on your google search. It should bring them right up. The quality and the information are exceptional.
To everybody watching Israel and appostacy:
Apostacy in route at T.B.N. again!
This is to appease there Arab audience. The halotte in formation? Or the harlotte taking charge?
I guess there is nothing that rakes in the bucks like watered down Christianity!
Zola Levitt the soft speaking Christian Jew who supported showing the Jewish roots of Christianity is cancelled.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51705
2nd progam that speaks truth involving the dangers posed by radical Islam cancelled. 1st Hal Lindsey, 2nd Zola Levitt. However Zola was always soft spoken even about islam. He showed inacuraccies in their religion compared to accepting Christ.
Who's next to get the ax at T.B.N.
Perry stone
John Hagee
Rod parsley
Pastor Hagin
Jack Vanimpe
Lets see... how many others on that network stick up for Israel?
At this point it does not matter your view on pre-post-trib rapture, before long we wont be hearing of either! All we will be hearing is liquid love, all inclusion, and money.
I wonder how long before Solana tells them "good job", or even appears on their programming.
Apostacy in route at T.B.N. again!
This is to appease there Arab audience. The halotte in formation? Or the harlotte taking charge?
I guess there is nothing that rakes in the bucks like watered down Christianity!
Zola Levitt the soft speaking Christian Jew who supported showing the Jewish roots of Christianity is cancelled.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51705
2nd progam that speaks truth involving the dangers posed by radical Islam cancelled. 1st Hal Lindsey, 2nd Zola Levitt. However Zola was always soft spoken even about islam. He showed inacuraccies in their religion compared to accepting Christ.
Who's next to get the ax at T.B.N.
Perry stone
John Hagee
Rod parsley
Pastor Hagin
Jack Vanimpe
Lets see... how many others on that network stick up for Israel?
At this point it does not matter your view on pre-post-trib rapture, before long we wont be hearing of either! All we will be hearing is liquid love, all inclusion, and money.
I wonder how long before Solana tells them "good job", or even appears on their programming.
# posted by : 9:05 AM
: 9:05 AM
I'd like to suggest a shortcut for those interested in the videos Constance Cumbey mentioned. Type in the Google video site directly:
http://video.google.com
There's a search box on top. Type the words Hitler and occult in that box, then hit your enter key. Three videos will come up on the screen when you do that.
http://video.google.com
There's a search box on top. Type the words Hitler and occult in that box, then hit your enter key. Three videos will come up on the screen when you do that.
Dave,
I am going to have a discussion with my Pastor on Wednesday about contemplative prayer and the EmChurch movement. He knows nothing about the prayer, but is vary familiar with authors like Kimball, McClaren, and McManus. I found out that the youth pastor has already done prayer stations with the youth. I want to state my case to pastor and share my concerns with him. It should be engaging, I don't exppect much I just want him to be aware of the dangers of the movement as I see it.
I am going to have a discussion with my Pastor on Wednesday about contemplative prayer and the EmChurch movement. He knows nothing about the prayer, but is vary familiar with authors like Kimball, McClaren, and McManus. I found out that the youth pastor has already done prayer stations with the youth. I want to state my case to pastor and share my concerns with him. It should be engaging, I don't exppect much I just want him to be aware of the dangers of the movement as I see it.
Can anyone tell me the 2005 annual revenue of Lucis Trust and affiliates? Is Lucis Trust and non-profit?
# posted by : 12:53 PM
: 12:53 PM
If somebody wants to see how ruthless Senor (Dr.) Solana can be, read the material on this website which I found on a google search today, using the terms "Solana" and "warships".
http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/docum
entos/1999/ing/d010699i.html
Bear in mind that this is one of Castro's websites. If one is cruel by Castro's standards, I submit that must be very cruel indeed! (I must confess some of the most delicious material I have ever read on the internet about the former Minister of Culture of Spain [Solana] came from Castro's own pen. Castro rightfully considers Solana a shameless opportunist, provided of course, that Solana by now has not done the same job on him that he did on another former critic, Muammar Khadafy),
http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/docum
entos/1999/ing/d010699i.html
Bear in mind that this is one of Castro's websites. If one is cruel by Castro's standards, I submit that must be very cruel indeed! (I must confess some of the most delicious material I have ever read on the internet about the former Minister of Culture of Spain [Solana] came from Castro's own pen. Castro rightfully considers Solana a shameless opportunist, provided of course, that Solana by now has not done the same job on him that he did on another former critic, Muammar Khadafy),
Extemely interesting post Constance. Imagine if [since] Solana is willing to use such force in his own back yard what he would do to the United States, a country he hates, should we resist.
RichInMedford
RichInMedford
# posted by : 1:21 PM
: 1:21 PM
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Dorothy
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Dorothy
# posted by : 3:24 PM
: 3:24 PM
The previous information is not the bottom line, which is hard to find. For instance
http://www.n2012.com/n2012/index.htm
is supported by Lifebridge which is linked to Lucis Trust.
The Ethical Globalization Initiative is featured in a World Goodwill newsletter. The Initiative is tied to Aspen Institute, a powerful international think tank which you will see referred to in the media as Wye Plantation.
Not everything is sponsored by Lucis Trust. The jobs are spread around.
In fact, the headquarters of Lucis Trust in NYC appears to be quite small with a tiny little waiting room with brochures and a set of the books. The library which is open to the public is extremely tiny compared to the one run by the Theosophical Society in Wheaton, IL.
But then I've learned that some organizations have what could be considered mail drop offices when the real business is run elsewhere.
Just note that there has been no history of the organization in print and available to the public even though it is an international organization which has been around for over 80 years.
Dorothy
http://www.n2012.com/n2012/index.htm
is supported by Lifebridge which is linked to Lucis Trust.
The Ethical Globalization Initiative is featured in a World Goodwill newsletter. The Initiative is tied to Aspen Institute, a powerful international think tank which you will see referred to in the media as Wye Plantation.
Not everything is sponsored by Lucis Trust. The jobs are spread around.
In fact, the headquarters of Lucis Trust in NYC appears to be quite small with a tiny little waiting room with brochures and a set of the books. The library which is open to the public is extremely tiny compared to the one run by the Theosophical Society in Wheaton, IL.
But then I've learned that some organizations have what could be considered mail drop offices when the real business is run elsewhere.
Just note that there has been no history of the organization in print and available to the public even though it is an international organization which has been around for over 80 years.
Dorothy
# posted by : 3:59 PM
: 3:59 PM
In regards to the possible significance of the mid-point of the 7-year European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP)(2007-2013), please note the following:
"Two years ago in May of 2002, a group of international petroleum specialists met at Uppsala University in Sweden for a two-day conference to discuss the world's oil supplies. The result was a consensus that global supplies of crude oil will peak as early as 2010 (or earlier) and then start to decline, ushering in an era of soaring energy prices and economic upheaval.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/
2006/08/27/the-world-at-100-a-barrel/
?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheseoultimes.
com%2FST%2F%3Furl%3D%2FST%2Fdb%2Fread.
php%3Fidx%3D441&frame=true
More info. on other events scheduled to transpire in 2010 is available on Herb's discussion board (see link in previous post).
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
"Two years ago in May of 2002, a group of international petroleum specialists met at Uppsala University in Sweden for a two-day conference to discuss the world's oil supplies. The result was a consensus that global supplies of crude oil will peak as early as 2010 (or earlier) and then start to decline, ushering in an era of soaring energy prices and economic upheaval.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/
2006/08/27/the-world-at-100-a-barrel/
?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheseoultimes.
com%2FST%2F%3Furl%3D%2FST%2Fdb%2Fread.
php%3Fidx%3D441&frame=true
More info. on other events scheduled to transpire in 2010 is available on Herb's discussion board (see link in previous post).
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
# posted by : 9:01 PM
: 9:01 PM
I'll add to the 2010 time frame. The Alliance of Civilizations intends to introduce its recommendations before the UN General Assembly in September 2007. Once approved, the Alliance plans for a 24 month implementation period. This would firmly seat the Alliance of Civilizations as a world wide entity by the end of 2009.
According to one Alliance report:
"Symbols can be very effective tools in advancing a cause. The creation of a house or temple of religions or civilizations in as many cities as possible will be a tangible and important step in this direction."
I suspect by the end of 2009 we will see a HUGE Alliance presence, along with a most unpleasant symbol.
I will be compiling much of the material I've been reading very soon and forward it to Constance and Dorothy for review and perhaps publication.
RichInMedford
According to one Alliance report:
"Symbols can be very effective tools in advancing a cause. The creation of a house or temple of religions or civilizations in as many cities as possible will be a tangible and important step in this direction."
I suspect by the end of 2009 we will see a HUGE Alliance presence, along with a most unpleasant symbol.
I will be compiling much of the material I've been reading very soon and forward it to Constance and Dorothy for review and perhaps publication.
RichInMedford
# posted by : 12:37 PM
: 12:37 PM
Rich, this is Connie's blog. I'm only a guest here, perhaps a busybody one, but a guest nevertheless. Everything is up to Connie although she has been gracious enough to name me several times. You will enjoy the same status as you post your accumulated information as a main piece.
Something continues to bother me. Although Connie has covered a wide range of topics in the New Age agenda, commenters seem to focus on Solana and end times almost exclusively.
It is important to know that the ways New Age is impacting each of is is large. I came across a website which was linked to one Connie links to.
http://www.spirit-wars.com/content.asp?
id=95661
This world traveler pastor talks about planetary paganism in a series of short essays that are easy to read and understand. It might show some how widespread paganism has become.
Dorothy
Something continues to bother me. Although Connie has covered a wide range of topics in the New Age agenda, commenters seem to focus on Solana and end times almost exclusively.
It is important to know that the ways New Age is impacting each of is is large. I came across a website which was linked to one Connie links to.
http://www.spirit-wars.com/content.asp?
id=95661
This world traveler pastor talks about planetary paganism in a series of short essays that are easy to read and understand. It might show some how widespread paganism has become.
Dorothy
# posted by : 1:24 PM
: 1:24 PM
Rich,
The goal of the Alliance is very similar to the goal of Rick Warren's P.E.A.C.E. Plan. Planting a church in a community to become the focal point of a worldwide distribution system. It doesn't have to be a church, it can be a mosque or temple or whatever dominate religion is a part of a particular community, according to RW.
JBoldt, I hope and pray it works out for you. I know that once contemplative prayer becomes a practice in your church, it may lead to other New Age practices even more deceptive than contemplative prayer.
The goal of the Alliance is very similar to the goal of Rick Warren's P.E.A.C.E. Plan. Planting a church in a community to become the focal point of a worldwide distribution system. It doesn't have to be a church, it can be a mosque or temple or whatever dominate religion is a part of a particular community, according to RW.
JBoldt, I hope and pray it works out for you. I know that once contemplative prayer becomes a practice in your church, it may lead to other New Age practices even more deceptive than contemplative prayer.
David,
I'll be writing more on the Alliance soon. I think I would rest a little easier if it were comparable to Rick Warren's group. This looks like it is going to be THE entity that takes full control over all religious thought and speech. As much glitter and window dressing as they try to springle on themselves, they're not looking pretty.
RichInMedford
I'll be writing more on the Alliance soon. I think I would rest a little easier if it were comparable to Rick Warren's group. This looks like it is going to be THE entity that takes full control over all religious thought and speech. As much glitter and window dressing as they try to springle on themselves, they're not looking pretty.
RichInMedford
# posted by : 4:34 PM
: 4:34 PM
Javier Solana has a BIG cheerleader in Jacques Chirac of France who is chewing out Finland and Great Britain for not giving Senor Solana more power and voice! I predict these pressures on the others will increase and with backing from the USA -- and then, I predict, Solana will use the power he gets directly against the USA, the power is being given him to equalize EU with the USA.
Here's the link for the story:
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/
Analysis_Lebanon_exposes_EU_policy_flaws_999.html
How about somebody more energetic than me tonight turning that link into a "short url"? Thanks!
Here's the link for the story:
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/
Analysis_Lebanon_exposes_EU_policy_flaws_999.html
How about somebody more energetic than me tonight turning that link into a "short url"? Thanks!
Hey, for the record, I welcome ALL of Dorothy's and ALL of Rich in Medford's contributions. Both the emphasis on the New Age Movement and Solana are critical. I personally suspect Solana is a key player, but then Hitler looked like one too. For sure, both are key dangerous players!
Thanks Jason! That made it so much easier to read the site Constance referenced.
Charlotte
Charlotte
# posted by : 10:04 AM
: 10:04 AM
"Constance Cumbey said...
Javier Solana has a BIG cheerleader in Jacques Chirac of France who is chewing out Finland and Great Britain for not giving Senor Solana more power and voice!"
....clearly this is happening. I have a question on this, however. I was under the impression that the antichrist is going to pluck out 3 nations from the roots after he offically confirms his 7 year peace treaty with Israel. Aren't the 3 nations, likely going to be The EU3? Britian, Germany, & France? Now that France is buddy-ing up with Solana, it seems that they may not be plucked out after all. Your thoughts? Thanks!
Javier Solana has a BIG cheerleader in Jacques Chirac of France who is chewing out Finland and Great Britain for not giving Senor Solana more power and voice!"
....clearly this is happening. I have a question on this, however. I was under the impression that the antichrist is going to pluck out 3 nations from the roots after he offically confirms his 7 year peace treaty with Israel. Aren't the 3 nations, likely going to be The EU3? Britian, Germany, & France? Now that France is buddy-ing up with Solana, it seems that they may not be plucked out after all. Your thoughts? Thanks!
Chirac likes the idea of the EU because it pulls more money into France than France gives toward EU spending. Chirac doesn't support Solana to the extent that it will cost him EU troops in Lebanon. He just wants to give orders. Blair and some in the government might support the US, but the newspapers in the UK are very antisemitic.
A side note. Israel has worked to provide bomb shelters for its civilians because of attacks on it in the past. That's why there are fewer civilian casualties in Israel in spite of the number of missles that have hit it. If you go to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs website, you will find a detailed summary of of military activities as well as a thread that lists civilian and military casualties and the reasons for their death.
http://tinyurl.com/zm83q
It appears that Hezbollah has more civilian casualties because they operated mobile launchers in civilian areas. They can claim their military are civilians because there is no uniform.
The Israel-Lebanon conflict may have delayed the timetable of the New Age politicians if this analysis is correct.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hezbollah8.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/eb7bx
Dorothy
A side note. Israel has worked to provide bomb shelters for its civilians because of attacks on it in the past. That's why there are fewer civilian casualties in Israel in spite of the number of missles that have hit it. If you go to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs website, you will find a detailed summary of of military activities as well as a thread that lists civilian and military casualties and the reasons for their death.
http://tinyurl.com/zm83q
It appears that Hezbollah has more civilian casualties because they operated mobile launchers in civilian areas. They can claim their military are civilians because there is no uniform.
The Israel-Lebanon conflict may have delayed the timetable of the New Age politicians if this analysis is correct.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hezbollah8.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/eb7bx
Dorothy
# posted by : 2:43 PM
: 2:43 PM
Someone has probably already broached the idea, but is it possible that the "3 subdued horns" of Daniel are as follows (quote is from C.C.'s above posted link):
"Ahead of the 2003 invasion, Britain, Italy, Spain and some eastern European states allied themselves with the United States, while the rest of Europe led by France and Germany..."
Blair (Britain), Berlusconi (Italy) and Aznar (Spain) were in power at the time.
1) Berlusconi of Italy has since been replaced by Romano Prodi (whose name reportedly means "forerunner of the Roman one", 2) Aznar of Spain has since been replaced by Socialist Zapatero (following the train bombing in Madrid), and 3) Blair has given hints of stepping down soon.
Two down, one to go?
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
"Ahead of the 2003 invasion, Britain, Italy, Spain and some eastern European states allied themselves with the United States, while the rest of Europe led by France and Germany..."
Blair (Britain), Berlusconi (Italy) and Aznar (Spain) were in power at the time.
1) Berlusconi of Italy has since been replaced by Romano Prodi (whose name reportedly means "forerunner of the Roman one", 2) Aznar of Spain has since been replaced by Socialist Zapatero (following the train bombing in Madrid), and 3) Blair has given hints of stepping down soon.
Two down, one to go?
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
# posted by : 3:47 PM
: 3:47 PM
One reason that the 3 subdued horns" may be Britain, Spain and Italy (as opposed to the "EU-3" or "Big 3," Britain, France and Germany) is that Blair (Britain), Aznar (Spain) and Berlusconi (Italy) were all in power as members of the 10-nation WEU when Solana (little horn?) first made his appearance as Secretary-General of the WEU (the same cannot be said of Germany as Chirac is no longer in power).
In other words, they would have all been "horns" together.
In other words, they would have all been "horns" together.
# posted by : 4:48 PM
: 4:48 PM
Dorothy,
You make a wonderful point. Israel had enough sense to build bomb shelters for their civilians because they have been hated since the beginning of time. Ishmael mocked Isaac and I doubt his decendents will ever like those of the chosen lineage! Even if Israel did have more civilian casualties, I doubt that we would ever hear or see it in the media!
You make a wonderful point. Israel had enough sense to build bomb shelters for their civilians because they have been hated since the beginning of time. Ishmael mocked Isaac and I doubt his decendents will ever like those of the chosen lineage! Even if Israel did have more civilian casualties, I doubt that we would ever hear or see it in the media!
# posted by : 7:17 PM
: 7:17 PM
Correction to the post made at 4:48. The end of the first paragraph should read as follows:
"(The same cannot be said of Germany as Schroeder is no longer in power.)"
Chirac, of France, is very pro-Solana, which would seem to disqualify him as one of the possible subdued "3 horns" of Daniel.
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
"(The same cannot be said of Germany as Schroeder is no longer in power.)"
Chirac, of France, is very pro-Solana, which would seem to disqualify him as one of the possible subdued "3 horns" of Daniel.
Sincerely,
A Fellow Watcher
# posted by : 9:10 PM
: 9:10 PM
The other night after reading some of the more ugly aspects of new age literature, I went to bed and a peaceful feeling came over me as I considered how the world has changed since I was a teen ager. I can sum up what the new age movement has personally confirmed for me in 4 words:
THE LORD IS REAL
There is great comfort in that.
RichInMedford
THE LORD IS REAL
There is great comfort in that.
RichInMedford
# posted by : 9:36 AM
: 9:36 AM
Hi, all this is important and I believe Solana's move is soon, but also important and relevant is the information you can find on Patrick Woods' site "The August Review.Com" about our upcoming (United States of North America) which will be similar to Solana's EU. The Global NWO plans are that by 2010 with Bush, Fox and Canada's new prime minister through executive orders in March ,2005 and April, 2006 meetings where they and others set up 20 group/working committees in each country to establish the rules and regulations to be used (see the Council on Foreign Relations magazine Foreign Affairs May 2005 on North American Union )in each country of which these people have been planning,(see WWW.SPP.GOV) and how it is falling into place (COULD SOLANA BE THE WORLD DICTATOR OVER ALL THESE REGIONS?!!!.) This is why I also believe Javier Solana's time is near to step in, as many in some circles also believe Russia seems to now have hooks in her jaws and evil thoughts to move in the Middle East and regain her position in the world she had lost as a super power. The comments on how the "churches" are not warning us and have entered into full APOSTASY also shows us why our Lord warned us to come out of the churches who are using the dialectic and the total quality management model that has been in our government,military, and schools and is now in full force...and the last bastion to invade said Peter Drucker is the churches... and it has happened. THE TIMES ARE VERY INTERESTING . I hope youall will check out Patrick's site because it correlates many points. Also a big THANKS to Constance here for the book "The Hidden Dangers Of The Rainbow" . It brought a young witch to the Lord that we were working with. The book just clicked for her, as it explained so well what so many of us had tried to explain, it also showed her lifestyle ,thoughts and actions in word form ,so She saw the New Age for what it really was and it all just finally clicked for her(Thanks to the HOLY SPIRIT) and the book being available and she has now accepted Jesus as her Savior(prayer works). She then witnessed to a Sunday School class about what the new age really is and how our young people are being pulled in so quickily and its real dangers.Thank you for letting me drop in this info.
# posted by : 1:35 PM
: 1:35 PM
To Dorothy,
Thanks for the Occult & Third Reich video link. Its opening lines immediately brought to mind something I had just read by the Alliance of Civilizations. The quotes are:
From The Occult History of the Third Reich Adolf Hitler - May 1933, all over Germany Nazi students, Brown Shirts, and Hitler Youth gather and burn books by the thousand. Works of literature, philosophy and science believed un-German are consigned to the flames. Adolph Hitler has declared war on reason itself. “People set us down as enemies of intelligence" proclaims Hitler. "We are, but in a much deeper sense than those conceited dolts of bourgeois scientists ever dreamed of…”"
From the Alliance of Civilizations -
“Rather than learning “hard knowledge” from text-books, young people “learn by doing” through peer-education methods and voluntary work.
“If we insist on critical thinking, it is to make understand what could be the response of free youth organizations to:
- instabilities
- the threat of fundamentalism and propaganda
- the elaboration of cultural prejudices
- social exclusion
“Non formal education helps to empowerment children and young people”
Does anyone else smell the distant smoke an upcoming book burning?
RichInMedford
Thanks for the Occult & Third Reich video link. Its opening lines immediately brought to mind something I had just read by the Alliance of Civilizations. The quotes are:
From The Occult History of the Third Reich Adolf Hitler - May 1933, all over Germany Nazi students, Brown Shirts, and Hitler Youth gather and burn books by the thousand. Works of literature, philosophy and science believed un-German are consigned to the flames. Adolph Hitler has declared war on reason itself. “People set us down as enemies of intelligence" proclaims Hitler. "We are, but in a much deeper sense than those conceited dolts of bourgeois scientists ever dreamed of…”"
From the Alliance of Civilizations -
“Rather than learning “hard knowledge” from text-books, young people “learn by doing” through peer-education methods and voluntary work.
“If we insist on critical thinking, it is to make understand what could be the response of free youth organizations to:
- instabilities
- the threat of fundamentalism and propaganda
- the elaboration of cultural prejudices
- social exclusion
“Non formal education helps to empowerment children and young people”
Does anyone else smell the distant smoke an upcoming book burning?
RichInMedford
# posted by : 4:06 PM
: 4:06 PM
I just wonder if the devil's new age thread is played out. The middle class of europe and America don't reproduce, the third world is their future. For America its a Hispanic future, but for europe it's a Muslim future. A european caliph would make a nice antichrist and in fact the muslim prophecies of the imam mahdi are eerily similar to the Biblical prophecies of the antichrist, see:
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Authors/JR/Future/
Could you imagine how a Muslim caliph ruling in europe would galvanize the world! Especially if he gains the approval of the catholic church as I suspect he will and especially if he displays "signs and wonders".
Also the Mohammed tactic of conquering through false peace treaties seems to fit the antichrist well.
I just don't see any religious overtones to Solano. He may be an antichrist wannabee, but he's got to show more charisma and some kind of spiritual direction for me to be convinced. I'm trying to imagine his milquetoast image calling down fire from heaven and making proud boasts against the Lord and it just doesn't fit, ..yet.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Authors/JR/Future/
Could you imagine how a Muslim caliph ruling in europe would galvanize the world! Especially if he gains the approval of the catholic church as I suspect he will and especially if he displays "signs and wonders".
Also the Mohammed tactic of conquering through false peace treaties seems to fit the antichrist well.
I just don't see any religious overtones to Solano. He may be an antichrist wannabee, but he's got to show more charisma and some kind of spiritual direction for me to be convinced. I'm trying to imagine his milquetoast image calling down fire from heaven and making proud boasts against the Lord and it just doesn't fit, ..yet.
# posted by : 5:47 PM
: 5:47 PM
Matt,
The Bailey writings say that the new age christ will appear in a way that no religious group could claim him as their own. Benjamin Creme tells us he is to be a teacher in the broadest sense of the term. Solana would fit these descriptions.
As far as the false miracle of making fire appear to come from the heavens, Solana is a physicist and I suspect he may be able to make that happen too.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
RichInMedford
The Bailey writings say that the new age christ will appear in a way that no religious group could claim him as their own. Benjamin Creme tells us he is to be a teacher in the broadest sense of the term. Solana would fit these descriptions.
As far as the false miracle of making fire appear to come from the heavens, Solana is a physicist and I suspect he may be able to make that happen too.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
RichInMedford
# posted by : 6:03 PM
: 6:03 PM
Constance, you and Herb should start a listing of all the people claiming to be Christ that are popping up. Have you seen the videos of the Latin American Jesus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNz8I-ZDMo
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037HvQ1TyGM&search=Jesus%20satan%20JOSE%20LUIS%20DE%20JESUS%20MIRANDA%20false%20prophet%20cult%20miami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNz8I-ZDMo
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037HvQ1TyGM&search=Jesus%20satan%20JOSE%20LUIS%20DE%20JESUS%20MIRANDA%20false%20prophet%20cult%20miami
0wen,
The first link shows a pretty trendy Jesus, complete with gold jewelry. I'm more interested in the two other guys, the one with fluffy white wings and the movie star hunk. It might take me being under hypnosis, two drinks and a big hit on the head but even then I don't think I would accept this pretender's claim.
The second link was cut off as you can see.
Dorothy
Dorothy
The first link shows a pretty trendy Jesus, complete with gold jewelry. I'm more interested in the two other guys, the one with fluffy white wings and the movie star hunk. It might take me being under hypnosis, two drinks and a big hit on the head but even then I don't think I would accept this pretender's claim.
The second link was cut off as you can see.
Dorothy
Dorothy
# posted by : 7:27 PM
: 7:27 PM
Rich, that was an interesting observation. I look forward to reading your analysis of the Alliance and what they are promoting in regard to a common ground that we are all to accept.
Dorotohy
Dorotohy
# posted by : 7:59 PM
: 7:59 PM
The full link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037HvQ1TyGM&search=Jesus%20satan%20JOSE%20LUIS%20DE%20JESUS%20MIRANDA%20false%20prophet%20cult%20miami. I don't think it got cut off. The first video you saw was only about one man. The man with angel wings was just a guest on a talk show with no association with the antichrist character.