My perspective -- What Constance thinks

I live in a Chicago suburb, and the El accident on what the CTA calls the Blue Line (serving O'Hare and downtown Chicago, among other points of interest) was the lead story on local news programs for several days. According to those news programs, the first thought going through the minds of the passengers on that El train was terrorism. Fortunately, according to the news media, it wasn't terrorism that caused the derailment of the CTA train on the Blue Line.

This could have happened at any time. I know I worried when my husband and daughter used the Blue Line for part of their trip to Taste of Chicago the day it opened this year. (My dad used to work for the CTA for about 25 years before he died, so I was able to teach them everything Dad taught me about mass transit.)
 

Constance just did a radio interview with some Manhattan station. Tim Cohen, author of THE ANTICHRIST AND A CUP OF TEA, was also on. There was obviously a split of opinion among them. What do others on this site think?
 

I'm sorry, I'm new here. What does a pink or red moon signify? Just wondering.
 

There is a reference in biblical prophecy to the moon becoming red as blood before the Day of the Lord. I did see a pink moon the other night, but do confess to taking some poetic license with it -- the point is that things that are increasingly appearing apocalyptic do appear to be happening. If not actually apocalyptic, they are at least dangerous (witness the current Middle East conflagration)and my point is perhaps this is more out of the ordinary than most people realize and it may be time to soberly assess our future -- both in the here and hereafter! The specific reference is Joel 2:30-32:

"And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call onthe name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." The same is referenced in statements by Jesus as recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.
 

Regarding the Prince Charles antichrist theories, his name is far better known to many so far than Javier Solana's; HOWEVER, today on a google.com search of the two respective men:

Prince Charles: 4,810,000 GOOGLE HITS

Javier Solana: 6,180,000 Google hits.

Many of the google hits with the in quotes "Prince Charles" are not about the good prince. Most of the hits on "Javier Solana are about him. There are a very few about the Mexican sports car aficionado, the other Javier Solana.

It appears that Javier Solana has the lead over Prince Charles in current publicity!
 

Does anybody have any reliable information they can direct me to regarding:

Relationship between Sir Kenneth Grubb and his brother Norman Grubb vis a vis political affiliations and religio us ones. Norman Grubb was Dave Hunt's first publisher. His autobiography, Once Caught No Escape, records that he had once lost his faith and regained it with the great 'mystics.' Sir Kenneth Grubb was, as I understand it, the chief of British military intelligence.

I am also looking for information on Sir Anthony Buzzard. Barbara Aho had some at her website, but I need to know much more about his father's role and interactions, if any, between Sir Anthony Buzzard and his father who was active in setting up some of the very thinktanks that Javier Solana is now involved with.

HELP!
 

After reading info. on Sir Anthony Buzzard I was a bit confused. I read this info on Barbara Aho's web site and she mentioned something about Discernment ministries. This is what's confusing me: Doesn't Discernment ministries run the Herescope site? I always thought they were a good source of info regarding current apostacy, bible prophecy, and new age spirituality disguised as Christianity. Can there info even be trusted? Does this mean I owe Rick Warren a big apology?
 

Connie,
I cannot find any articles relating Javier and Maitreya (except alot of bizarre website comments). Can you supply the url for the article you spotted?
 

Constance Cumbey said...
Does anybody have any reliable information they can direct me to regarding:

Relationship between Sir Kenneth Grubb and his brother Norman Grubb vis a vis political affiliations and religio us ones. Norman Grubb was Dave Hunt's first publisher. His autobiography, Once Caught No Escape, records that he had once lost his faith and regained it with the great 'mystics.'

'Mysticism' in any form is occultism. It is the counterfiet of the true 'spiritual' experience and reality that is the birthright of every Believer based upon their union with Christ. *see 1 Cor. 6:17; Romans chapters 6 - 8; & Colossians 3:3.
 

Discernment ministries is all about discrediting conservative christianity. The same could be said about this site. Anti Christian = Anti-Christ!
 

I deeply respect Sarah Leslie's research, and she is probably responsible for what comes from the Herescope site. I have had some limited concerns about some things that have emanated from some other quarters, particularly the invitational conferences -- I don't know who the last "courageous" anonymous commentator is, but I will say that I have been down in the trenches for the last 25 years on this often confusing battle and this site definitely is not dedicated to denigrating conservative Christianity. Scripturally, we were explicitly warned that there would be those attempting to infiltrate our ranks and when people such as Sir Anthony Buzzard manage to slip in (and I'm sure he was most convincing to those inviting him), it is of concern when one knows by that that those accepting the invitation and dragging all their research were no doubt exposed to a very professional spy in their midst -- one whose very father obviously helped establish what now has turned out to be a very strategic think tank used in large part by Javier Solana himself -- the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Do a google on that institute and Javier Solana and you will see for yourself.

In 1987 major so-called evangelicals and bubble gum card New Agers had a unity conference at Gold Lake Ranch, Colorado. It was held in October, 1987. Had David Spangler not publicly bragged about it and astute Colorado Christians not ferreted it out, we may never have learned. I did newsletters about it at the time, "HOLY WATERGATE: THE MISSING 18 1/2 HOUR TAPES". Barbara Aho courageously posted much of it on the internet. That is not to say that I agree with all Barbara posts nor that I lack compassion for some who got caught in the crossfire, but it absolutely needed to be brought out. It turns out that the organizer of that New Age event was Doug Coe and he was assisted by a former Spiritual Counterfeits aide, Art Lindsley. Evangelizing? More likely, they were networking and delivering us up. There are still many unanswered questions on this and I am attempting to get to the bottom of it, wherever the chips may fall. Sarah Leslie is doing invaluable work -- the word "discernment" is a pretty generic one. I do have concerns about some networked or influenced by others who wittingly or unwittingly have been influenced by the EMNR (also in on the Gold Lake deal) and the Kenneth Grubb/Norman Grubb combos. I have hesitatingly dealt with much of this because of the strong biblical injunction against hurting the wheat in the process of pulling up the tares. I have been well aware of this since 1987 -- but now that the EU - globalist - apostate agendas now again appear to be converging and the fighting again is appearing to get dirty, I am stepping a little further into those muddy waters which are admittedly getting deep.

I speak somewhat in parables -- pray for me as this proceeds! For more than 20 years some of the so-called discerners (NOT Sarah Leslie) have worked craftily to prevent some legitimate concerns from reaching the Christian community. When I learn that they were in league with the Grubbs and the Buzzards, I am smelling deeper rats in the woodpile!
 

Whew! I was getting worried. Herescope has done some of the best exposes on Rick Warren, church growth movements, and current philanthropic trends. I agree that all these different elements--EU, apostates, etc. are all coming together with very similar agendas. Maybe even the same agenda.
 

Well, like I said, "now you see us, now you don't." When I posted the article and for the last several weeks, the Share International article on "Maitreya the Great World Teacher" came up FIRST on an Ask.com search of Javier Solana. Now, fascinatingly, it has disappeared, which is why I keep stressing, ARCHIVE EVERYTHING -- IMMEDIATELY!
 

For Pastor Mike, this is the url for what until the Ask.com programmers undoubtedly rearranged it -- this is what came up first on an ASK.COM search about "JAVIER SOLANA"!


http://www.shareintl.org/
 

This article does contain many of my own concerns, although there are some innocent researchers who got caught in the crossfire and were unfortunately hurt by its ultimate disclosure:

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Arti
cles_V/aho_cospiracy.htm
 

These are the collected papers of Buzzard's father. Buzzard himself was nominated for the Templeton Progress in Religion award. It is amazing to me how similar the backgrounds are between the elder now deceased Buzzard and Salvador de Madariaga, Javier Solana's grandfather!

http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0014%2FBZRD
 

Greetings..I believe we are about to see Isa 17.1 come to pass. The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

The following came of Jim Searcy in Cyprus of the GJIGT web site:
There are many confirmations in Arab publications that Israel, on
Saturday, gave Syria a 72 hour ultimatum, to completely stop the
Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel. Isaiah told us how serious such
an ultimatum could possibly be. UNDERSTAND that this prophecy of
Isaiah 17:1 has not yet had its historical fulfillment which may be
scheduled as early as this WEEK. Be watching carefully for a major
terror incident at about 3 pm Israel time, at the temple mount, on
Monday or Tuesday which would confirm the reality of Isa 17:1 - The
burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a
city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
--------end

Solana is to be in Jerusalum today or Monday. As for Prince Charles, is has openly embraced islam.

I believe G-d will reveal THE anti-christ to those who seek Him.

With all that is happening in the USA being set up with the Real ID in 2008, The National Animal Identification System in 2009 and the North American Union in 2010; this country is complying with the One World System soon to come.

I am not the sharpest knife in the block, but do keep up with world events.

Thank you Constance for all your research and updates! JJ Downer
 

Condoleeza Rice told the G-8 Nations today in response to news that Iran considered the Western incentives "acceptable" that they should present their responses and requests THROUGH JAVIER SOLANA only. So far from news requests, there seems to be full concurrence with her. Per Rice, Solana alone is their "recognized channel".
 

Looks like the finale stages are being put into place for the acceptence of 'Peace with the many' including Iran's false peace.
http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?id=12946785&ps=1012&lang=en&_LT=HOME_WLNWC01L2_UNEWS

Looks like we are about to see some serious power gains this year for Solana. I just wonder if it will even wait for November, like a lot of other years. I just wonder if November with be the 'conferming' of the treaty with the many. Wich ever it is, its very soon!
 

I was hoping I would eat my words with Bush's seeminly lack of support for Israel. I was impressed when Bush said Israel had the right to defend itself, and the U.S. cast a veto vote at the U.N. condemning Israel's attack on Lebennon. But now with the bombing still going on and looking like the whole middle east is going to become a war zone, Bush seems to be softening his support for Israel. I pray I am wrong! Here is the link.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/16/D8IT3C880.html
First couple sentences of the article should give you what I mean.
 

Sorry for the bad link. here is the right one.

http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?id=12946785&ps=1012&lang=en&_LT=HOME_WLNWC01L2_UNEWS
 

Condoleeza Rice used some interesting wording in the July 13 press conference where she told reporters not to speculate on apocalyptic scenarios.

To JJ:
It definitely looks like the I's have been dotted and the T's crossed even within the United States. Marilyn Ferguson says in "AQUARIUS NOW" that NOW is time for the new civilization to claim its heritage.

RichInMedford
 

To RichInMedford
My heritage is in Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh, who is soon to return, praise His name...be well JJ
 

Oh, what a surprise! NOT!!!! "EU's Solana in Surprise visit to Beirut"

Looks like they're dusting off the covers of Peter LeMesurier's 1981 book, THE ARMAGEDDON SCRIPT, and perhaps acting it out?!?!
 

URL for "surprise Solana visit"

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/
newsdesk/L1675655.htm
 

Sorry, this is that link for 'surprise visit' - mistake is mine!

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1675655.htm
 

Clumsy me!

http://www.alertnet.org/
thenews/newsdesk/L1675655.htm
 

The pressure cooker is definitely releasing steam. I think this one may be one of the "smaller" releases at this time. I don't think Russia is ready to make its move yet. Either way, it is not pretty.

RichInMedford
 

watching very closely... to avoid long broken links, try going to www.tinyurl.com and pasting the url and it will create a short one like this: http://tinyurl.com/myf7o

This link will take you to the Solana surprise visit page.
 

Richinmedford said..."The pressure cooker is definitely releasing steam. I think this one may be one of the "smaller" releases at this time. I don't think Russia is ready to make its move yet. Either way, it is not pretty."

Agreed, however Russia's closer to the brink than it has ever been. Let's keep watching and see what happens.
 

Thanks John,

I've been watching and wondering are they going to make a move or not? But then I think, isn't it prophetic that Isreal is more or less at piece (unwalled) and that the invasion comes as a surprise? If you haven't had a chance to read Herb Peter's site, he has an equally important post on Solana that we shouldn't let escape notice as we watch the war.

Rich
 

I suspect this war is going to renew Kofi Anan's call for a multinational force in the Middle East. I'm sure the EU would be a primary player.

I wonder if the EU rapid reaction force is on alert?
 

London press reports today that Condoleezza Rice insists that Iranian nuclear talks MUST GO through JAVIER SOLANA.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g8/
story/0,,1822159,00.html
 

For some time now I have felt that Condi Rice couldn't be trusted. Hasn't anyone noticed that she's always right next to Solana in pictures? She's also weasled her way into Bush's trust. He will make statements supporting Israel, and suddenly, she will make an almost contrary one. She's in cohoots with Solana big time. Mark my words. Our President reminds me of King David, who didn't always have the most faithful and trustworthy advisors. She's got her own agenda--OR she's simply been deluded by her close contact with Solana like so many others. For sure, Solana has her in his pocket. Pray for the safety of our President. Pray for his discernment.
 

I heard on a British broadcast early this morning that President Bush has joined the rhetoric of the rest of the G8.
 

I wouldn't say that it is the G-8 rhetoric, but continued support of Israel. It's just that Israel is not doing what Bush is hoping fast enough. That's my gather from his remarks.
_____________________________________

Not realizing his remarks were being picked up by a microphone at a summit of world leaders, Bush bluntly expressed his frustration with the actions of Hizbullah.

"See, the irony is, what they really need to do is to get Syria to get Hizbullah to stop doing this (expletive)," Bush told Blair in a discussion before the Group of Eight leaders began their lunch. Read about it here
 

Herescope's last two posts are very crucial reads. The July 14th post deals with Rick Warren and his aim to be a man of global peace and how he is quietly doing all of this under the radar, so to speak. Who else do we know is great at going under the radar? The more I read up on Rick Warren and tracking his activities, the more I wonder what he's up to. Maybe throwing his hat in the ring as a possible candidate for False Prophet?

Today, July 17th, really highlights the dangers of this 2nd reformation and particularily dominionism. I can't really give justice to these posts. Some of the language of these so-called Christian evangelists mirrors that of the New Age Movement.
 

Connie,

Did you ever figure out what statement or reference from the SHARE website included something about Solana that caused the site to pop up first on ask.com?
 

Egad,

I'm sorry, but trying to find something suspicious in the life of Rick Warren is truly silly. I wouldn't defend every action or statement made by anybody in the evangelical world, but to claim that something volitionally sinister might be going on with that man would be the height of absurdity. The only reason he goes anywhere to speak with anybody is to try and share Christ. You can disagree with his philosophy of ministry, you can badger him for his fluffy sermons, but don't make the mistake of questioning his motives. I would venture to say, if you haven't attended a PDC conference, you probably aren't qualified to speak on the issue of his motives.
 

Attorney General: Bush Blocked Internal Probe of NSA Program

http://www.foxnews.com/story/
0,2933,204153,00.html

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday that President Bush personally blocked Justice Department lawyers from pursuing an internal probe of the terrorism surveillance program that monitors Americans' international calls and e-mails when terrorism is suspected. ..
 

I'm sorry, but I'm not the only one who is suspicious of Rick Warren. My church is a Purpose-Driven Church and I've even gone through the 40 Days of Community and the original 40 Days of Purpose. I was even in a small group. Read through Herescope's more recent postings for more information. Rick Warren may or may not be the False Prophet anymore than Javier Solana may or may not be the antichrist. I think it's important to track such an influential church leader. Maybe all of his ministry is completely legitimate. Only God truly knows.
 

The CNN Lou Dobbs broadcast has been removed with this message:

"This video has been removed at the request of copyright owner CNN because its content was used without permission"

I thought that once on the internet domain, we could legally provide links to it. Constance, am I wrong?

RichInMedford
 

The web site showing the broadcast was Youtube. Maybe they put it there without permission?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueAdeZuns3A
 

Condoleezza Rice was an advisor to the former President Bush ("the Elder"). It is possible that SHE is following ELDER'S agenda. He gave the first New World Order speech on 9-11-90 of all days! I suspect she is implementing Bush's policy, not making it, albeit she is suggesting SOME of it. I'm sorry, I"m of the school that the buck stops with Bush, not that the buck never gets to him. Do a google.com search using the terms ["Javier Solana AND "George W. Bush"] all in the same search line. Then click on the picture link and get a good look at the picture of GWB and JS rubbing heads together and raucuously laughing!
 

davidinbattlecreek....
You are RIGHT. I have been following the Rick Warren purpose driven life and the emerging churh, along with the cabala craz...all of them are false with just enough truth to hook people who do not know the Word of God, or just ignor it. I have a deep problem with a "paster" who belives in astro signs and year symbols. As I read the profile of some of the people on this blog, I must say my mouth hung open.
One thing we should understand is that the Zohar is Cabala, and BOTH are OCCULT. The Cabala is obviously PANTHEISTIC in is doctrines more closely aligned with Hinduism than either biblical Christianity or Torah Judaism. The Cabala is an eastern religious viewpoint, and definitely NOT Biblical. Mysticism always leads one into opposing the biblical teaching of the word of God by the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, because Lucifer is the father of all false religions, and father of lies.
It is hoped that the Christian can see some of these same things being brought into the Purpose Driven Church movement of Rick Warren, Robert Schuler, and Bill Hybel and others. The mega church entertainment and self-esteem movement will drift further and further from Sound doctrine as an obvious sign of the times. In fact, the mega church or Purpose Driven church movement is some of the strongest evidence that the time of 2 Tim 4:3 has arrived in FULLNESS. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
The increasing popularity of the Cabala in Judaism is similar to what we see in this self-esteem mega church entertainment business. The mysticism of the Cabala plays upon vanity and the absence of TRUE spirituality much the same as the mega church movement. The Cabala simply is much more open about its mystical Luciferian roots than the Purpose Driven mega church movement.
It should really not be surprising to those aware of the signs of the times that Judaism and many Christian churches and especially Messianic congregations will be looking to the occult and ancient mystics and Cabala for their spiritual practices. Many popular new leaders are teaching and introducing concepts strictly forbidden by the Scripture as if now God approves of them. The promotion is done through books, church conferences, ecumenical gatherings, interfaith gatherings and the Internet.
Laurie Beth Jones is a corporate leadership coach who is on the Board of Directors of Ken Blanchard's Lead Like Jesus ministry, along with Rick Warren, Bill Hybels and New Age proponent Mark Victor Hansen. Lead like Jesus conferences are also advertised on Rick Warren's website. Jones travels the world speaking to business leaders how to be more effective using "spiritual" concepts. She speaks also with other popular New Age gurus. On one site she is a listed as a featured presenter at the Eighth International Conference on Business and Consciousness, which also advertises and promotes altered states of consciousness conference, sacred sexuality conference, and shamanism conference.
Laurie Beth Jones' work centers around the four elements of Earth, Wind, Water and Fire - the fundamental elements of our existence according to Jones. Each element Jones says, represents a personality type that is easy to understand in yourself as well as easy to identify in others. Psychological profiling of the congregations is an obvious and disturbing part of the mega church or Purpose Driven church movement of Rick Warren. Jones and Warren are teaching the same sort of psychological profiling and recently it has also be reported that the psychological profiles are being shared with government agency data bases.
Jones says the elements you find in the personality profile are universal. Every culture understands and respects the elements. Native Americans used pray to the elements,(I am Native American and DO NOT) but some still do, Hindus incorporate the elements into their healing rituals and the Chinese words "feng shui" actually mean "wind and water." The Kabbala states that the four letters which stood for Yahweh (YWEH) are actually a tetragrammaton meaning Earth, Water, Wind and Fire. Jones also says that in the Bible, there are more than 215 references to the elements, beginning in the book of Genesis.
THIS GARBAGE OF JONES IS ALL FALSE. SADLY PEOPLE TODAY ARE SO UNINFORMED WITH WHAT THE KJV HOLY BIBLE SAYS, THAT THESE NEW AGE GURUS ARE NOT ONLY STOPPED IN THE OCCASION THEY SEEK AMONG CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, BUT ARE INVITED IN TO PROMOTE THEIR CONFUSION AND OTHER ANTICHRIST ANTI-TORAH GOSPELS OF LUCIFER.
All of this New Age occultism and its connections with the Kabala, Church Growth Movement, and the Occult may be verified on Laura Beth Jones’ website.
Rom 1:22-25 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
 

Another group to watch are the so-called "Christian Environmentalists" who are shamelessly pushing the Jeremy Rifkin "new paradigm" of what is a combination of earth worship and political restructuring of the church in a direction that will not oppose same. For a list of some of the so-called Evangelical culprits, look at this one:

http://www.creationcare.org/
resources/signatores.php

The clear delineation is Rev. 14: FEAR GOD AND GIVE GLORY TO HIM FOR THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT IS COME -- WORSHIP HIM THAT MADE HEAVEN, AND EARTH, AND THE SEA, AND THE FOUNTAINS OF WATERS." Rev. 14:7

The elements and so many of the signatories on this list are the same ones that gave me trouble right from the beginning of my work on unveiling the New Age Movement as the threat to Christians and Jews that it is. They are shamelessly networked with the Thomas Berry, Matthew Fox, etc., ad nauseum elements!
 

And guess what? Rick Warren is one of those "Christian environmentalists." I'm really hoping that I'm wrong about Rick Warren because it would make life easier at my church. I have to agree with Ahwenasa, though. Rick Warren does create a very entertaining atmosphere and is a very good speaker. However, you could feel the same motivation if you went to an Amway/Quixtar seminar.

I am, however, always open to information that says Rick Warren is simply being a good church leader.
 

Rick Warren the false prophet? Yes, I can see it now, millions of muslims following him through the streets of Mecca...wearing hawiian shirts.

Somehow, I doubt that a conservative orthodox evangelical will be uniting the worlds religions.

As far as Purpose Driven being some kind of compromise, I'm trying to figure out how churches holding worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry and evangelism in balance, equates to heresy instead of health. By the way, PD and seeker sensitive are different things, as is a mega church. Each is it's own animal. People who take issue with all three, as if they're one, are making a mistake. A church might be all three, but it doesn't have to be. And while there are those unfortunate situations where churches lose their marbles and water things down, the church I am a part of is seeker sensitive, in that we make things easy to understand and make people feel welcome. But we don't shy away from ANY TOPIC. We think you can feed the sheep and intrigue the seeker at the same time. So, be careful not to paint with a broom.
 

ahwenasa said;

<<"SADLY PEOPLE TODAY ARE SO UNINFORMED WITH WHAT THE KJV HOLY BIBLE SAYS">>

ahem.

Man, I feel bad for the apostle Paul. The poor fool didn't have a 1611KJV.

But I bet he had some EARLY manuscripts to read from...like something closer to...Siniaticus! Ohhh God forbid!

Hey, nice dogpile of subjects all crammed into the same category...there's nothing like indesciminate dismisive labels...you would like mormonism...they do the same thing all the time.

Try not painting every church involved with some aspect of the things you take issues with into
the same corner...it doesn't do your argument any good. Try using words like "SOME". And puting the emergent movement in the same category as cabalism? PTHHHT!!Hey, I find much of the emergent thing goofy, but it's still a bunch of believers being goofy, as opposed to occult mystics.

Man, it's that broom painting thing again. Can we just put the brooms away?
 

I saw a picture of an Israeli soldier in the current war. The moon behind him was red. I immediately thought about the prophecy describing it and knew then and there that these are indeed the end times and that we are close to the rapture or being here to see Christ coming. I hoping for the rapture.

I will try to go back and find that picture so I can link it here.
 

Bush accuses Damascus over crisis

Lebanese Shia woman who fled her country due to the Israeli bombardment cries at a makeshift refugee centre in Damascus
The human cost of the crisis has continued to mount
US President George W Bush has said he suspects that Syria is trying to use the crisis in the Middle East to reassert its influence in Lebanon.

He suggested that Hezbollah activities were being orchestrated by Damascus.
 

Mike_the_Pastor,
I know that it's hard to hear that Rick Warren is not the 21st century Christian hero that we would really like him to be. However, it's important to hear the facts. My husband and I pray for discernment all the time. When we were called upon by our church to lead a PDL small group, we previewed the tapes before our meetings and were appalled at what we heard. Even before all the evidence of Warren's associations came out, we could see that there was definitely something missing in his message. It was incredibly watered down and at times, way off theologically--I'm talking doctrinally according to scripture. The times we live in call for discernment and wisdom. People MUST know the Word of God well. It's why I love Constance and Herb. They give us facts and they use scripture. We can't ignore facts. And we had better NOT ignore scripture!

Now, Constance, you are right about Bush. Ultimately, he must be held responsible for his actions. However, I still have a gut feeling that Condi Rice is having a great influence on him, going along yes, with his father's background. Let's just hope that he keeps our country supporting Israel. When we waver from that, we are in big trouble with God! (Not that we may not be already.)
 

It's not that it's "hard to hear" that Rick Warren is not the great american Christian hope...I never thought he was...what's hard to hear is conspiratorial bantering by people who are looking for demons and conspiracies around every corner. Out of balance, blanket statments by people who clearly have their own issues. I'm perfectly fine with folks who take issue with Warren's methods...hey, we have attempted to use his sermon series in the past and have had to re-write 80% of the material to make it more meaty...but finding points of theological disagreement and not liking the package doesn't mean the guy has to be tar and feathered or proclaimed a "wolf". If you've ever heard the man talk about the gospel live, there is no question that he is attempting to get as many people into the kingdom as possible.
 

Can anyone tell me if FBI directory Robert Mueller Jr. is the son of UN Assistant Secretary General Robert Mueller?
 

To the best of my knowlege, although the names are very similar, they are not related.
 

I saw a distinctly reddish quarter moon leaving my office last night. It whitened by the time I got home.
 

I must admit I enjoy Mike the Pastor's very keen sense of humor. Not since hordes of Rajneeshites went through the streets of Madras, Oregon wearing their red robest -- "hordes of Moslem converts wearing Hawaiian shirts"! Thank you, Pastor Mike, for bringing a big smile and chuckle to my day! One needs a sense of humor to survive in these apparent last days! God gave it to us, I hope, as a safety valve!
 

According to Herb Peter's commentary Israel is now willing to cooperate with the international community. This apparently is the result of the amazing peacemaking ability of Javier Solana.

I must admit there are some things I agree with Rick Warren on and he has certainly helped me examine my faith and where I stand. And, I'm sorry, I have a problem with the Hawaiian shirts. Can't he at least find another style once in a while?
 

It's my pleasure to tickle your funnybone Connie.

Incidentally, the best part of the Rajneesh incident in Oregon is the fact that the compound was purchased by Young Life and turned into a Christian camp!

David, Rick Warren actually had an extreme makeover last year...I don't know if you've seen him recently, but he doesn't wear glasses anymore, sports a Van Dyke (hair on the chin), new hair style and wears more hipster clothing. Also lost some weight...now he's ready to take over the world :)
 

Teacher of the word refered to us possibly being in trouble with God already about Israel. I believe we are. Just when will we pay? Here is an article from world net daily that the Bush administration has stated that we will give Israel 1 more week before falling in line with the international call for a Lebanon ceace fire deal.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0%2C%2C1823817%2C00.html

I just can't see from a war on terror perspective, that the U.S. would call for Israel to back down against terrorist states and organisations, especially when we havent. Nor do I expect us to back down.
It looks as if someone is trying to weaken our stance on Israel. I just pray its not Bush. I do believe Rice is a mojor influence on Bush with all her education and world wide recognition. However smart she is, it seems to me that she forgot to study the Bible. If she did study it, she must think that it is just a story book. I hope we go soon! I don't want to be around for the punishment for dividing Israel as well as our weekening support for them. I think more and more will happen to us in weather, politics, wars, terror and what ever else as our support for Israel dwindles. I think we are going down the back side of the mountain very fast. It looks as if any attepmt to put the brakes on might just burn them up. I think we are in need of a miracle.
 

Annan to Meet with Rice, Solana on Mideast

http://tinyurl.com/h7wnm
 

Everything seems to be finalizing in 2010, which is about 3.5 years from now, or June 6, 2006 (666).

Did the rest of June just fly by like a week, or is it just me getting older?

I can't believe it the 20th of July already. The days sure seem to have been sped up these past few years and going faster today. 9/11 seems like it was very recent, but it is over 5 years ago.

Does anyone else sense this?
 

This story is interesting. This article doesn't say, but could the G3 be operating independent of Solana?

EU-3 Introduce Draft Resolution on Iran to UN Council

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/
2006/07/21/189@116827.htm
 

I listened to Constance's recent interview with Dr Stan Monteith of Radio Liberty.It can be listened to or downloaded gratis. I learned so much about Javier Solana and have informed my contacts here in Britain about the programme. I have a copy of 'Hidden Dangers of ther Rainbow' Thank you.
 

I saw that somebody posted about Herbert's book Recommendation 666 at Joel Rosenberg's blog.

Rosenberg has made a very, very strong well researched case concerning Ezekiel 38-39.

Check it out.
 

Joel Rosenberg's blog spot is interesting. I hope he soon catches on to Javier Solana and his immense role in all of this!
 

Thank you for the link to Joel Rosenberg's Blog! I am getting indication that more and more ministries that are centered in Biblical Prophecy are watching the comings and goings of "Mr. Europe" more closely. Yesterday, I had the opportunity to share with my parents alittle bit about Bible Prophecy, The Middle East, & about Solana. My parents are up in years, but are open to, The Gospel.

When I went to DebkaFile, an outstanding Israeli news site, Solana's picture was right in the middle of their update. When I showed this to my dad, a strange thing kept on happing to my computer: When I scrolled down to show my dad, so that he could view the picture of Solana, my computer screen started blinking! It ONLY did so when I scrolled down to read this article! I am not one who is big into visions, and all that stuff, so this was really weard! Anyway, if led, please pray for my parents and family, that they would come to know Jesus, during this late hour. This is one of the main reasons why all of us are here, online. Thank you and God bless you all!
 

Here are the mp3 downloadable podcasts mentioned in Robert Theobald's post (Hover over these links, right click, and then "Save Target as.."):

Constance speaking about New Age

and

Constance speaking about Javier Solana
 

Solana again appears to be speaking for the world on the Middle East issues! He is also apparenting doling out aid on behalf of "the international community"!
 

It is appearing to me that the newest "Left Behind" book, raptured, has "Carpathia" morphing into a profile that sounds more and more like Javier Solana's.
 

Paralyzed man moves computer cursor through thought

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/3188/2006/07/
14/841@114334.htm
 

Chip ramps up neuron-to-computer communication

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8902
-chip-ramps-up-neurontocomputer-communication.html
 

Hil [Hillary] frets chips will
be put in kids' brains

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/436952p-368077c.html
 

Many personal comments on Solana are being published for all to see on Arutz Sheva, Israel National New's Website:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=107829


I sent my comment re: Recommendation 666 & the EuRomed Treaty... we'll have to wait and see if they publish it, anyway, you may want to check out the link above!
 

I wonder if Javier Solana is setting President Bush up to look like an incompetent buffoon when it comes to Mid-East affairs. Solana comes away as a master peacemaker. He seems to be more in charge of the whole process. The media is playing up the delayed evacuation of Americans from Lebanon, when the Europeans had already been on their way out. It makes me think of Hurricane Katrina and the slow response to that crisis.
 

I just read the Hilary Clinton article about her concerns over potential microchipping and I, at least time time, agree with her and pray she will continue to grow in discernment over the times in which we live!
 

Something strange happened to me last night. I attempted to reach the links from my blogspot to the "Maitreya" ones and to my surprise, the site was now demanding a "user name" and "password" for entry. Same results when I reached it from google.com. I wrote a blogspot about the "Big Brave Maitreyan Soldiers" hiding behind this tactic. I successfully published and it was up there as a new blogspot article, VERY BRIEFLY. Suddenly, the article DISAPPEARED and simultaneously, I linked to the "Share International" site of the "Maitreyans" and it could be accessed again. I don't know what to make of this!
 

Regards the Hillary Clinton post, it should have read, "at least this time" -- NOT "at least time time." SORRY!
 

We've been seeing more and more mention of Javier Solana, more visibility on our tv news, but I also noticed over the past couple of days that Rush Limbaugh mentioned him as well as Sean Hannity. Yesterday Sean Hannity even commented on the title of "EU High Representative", saying something to the effect of 'that's some title'.

Today I heard a caller on the Hannity show bring up the fact that what we are seeing in Israel is very Biblical. Sean Hannity responded with something like "No one knows the day or hour".

I've wondered if any of these political news commentaters who I would think have a kind of inside view might already have a clue as to what was going on...and it's starting to look like the just might be.
 

Do not have a link to the following as it came in an email from a ministry in Cyprus. Sorry for the length, but thought you all would like to know why it is taking so long for all countries to get their people out.

Cyprus is beginning to feel the strain of a huge influx of foreign
nationals evacuated from war-torn Lebanon amid government appeals
for EU assistance to fly thousands of stranded people home more
quickly. The island has earned appreciation and thank you messages
from the international community for bearing the brunt of a full-
scale evacuation out of Beirut.

But ports and airports are creaking under the sheer weight of an
international flotilla ferrying evacuees in growing numbers as they
flee from the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon. With the prospect of
thousands more pouring into Cyprus, handling the influx of evacuees
is becoming a logistical nightmare with the airports and ports
operating close to maximum capacity.

The Cyprus Foreign Ministry held a crisis meeting yesterday to see
how best to tackle the stream of evacuees as the exodus from Lebanon
moves into overdrive. Authorities believe there could be as many as
70,000 evacuees passing through Cyprus sea ports with more than
11,500 having already arrived since the bombing of Lebanon on July
12.

The number of those fleeing the bombardment of Lebanon is expected
to continue and increase. The Cyprus Foreign Minister, George
Lillikas, has asked for assistance from the European Union so Cyprus
can continue to offer its services for the evacuation from a war
zone. Cyprus is requesting that more planes be put at its disposal
to speed up the evacuation of foreign nationals from the island as
Nicosia wants to make clear it is only a transit point and nothing
more.

Some 25 schools in Limassol and Larnaca have been made available as
temporary reception areas to cope with processing fresh waves of
evacuees. Asian countries such as the Philippines, Sri Lanka and
India, which have expat workers plus Mexico, Ukraine and Russia,
have all requested help in organizing the escape of their nationals
from the bloodshed. There is one request to move out at least 1,000
Indians through Cyprus.

Cyprus can not handle long term stays. Cyprus is trying to make
stays only be for a few hours or whatever is needed. That is why
Cyprus has asked for a significant number of planes to be made
available. The European Union had "promised" to make every effort to
respond to Cyprus' requests.

Cyprus offered itself as a safe haven from the conflict and a
staging post to allow a huge multi-national evacuation of tens of
thousands of European, American, Commonwealth and other foreign
nationals. However, Cyprus has not asked for any financial aid but
many of the countries involved in the evacuation are "burdening"
most of the cost.

Cyprus welcomed thousands of Lebanese seeking safe refuge during the
civil war years of 1975-1990. The war in Lebanon has coincided with
the peak of the tourism season meaning accommodation facilities and
flights are at a premium. The exodus out of Lebanon is being
described as the biggest evacuation plan since World War II. Both
Larnaca and Limassol are seeing a record number of ships and
passengers dock at its ports.

Larnaca airport yesterday had aircraft circling above because there
was no room to land, as the tarmac was full with aircraft waiting to
fly out evacuees as soon as they touched foot on Cyprus. Over the
next 24-hours Larnaca airport is looking to handle 20 additional
flights to get evacuees out to their chosen destination as countries
like the US, France, Britain and Canada charter more planes.

Helicopter airlifts out of Beirut to Cyprus only compounded the log-
jam at Larnaca yesterday. There was a continuous transfer of US and
French nationals by helicopter from Beirut. There are requests for
planes to land and take out foreign nationals all the time but there
is limited space and also tourist flights. Larnaca airport's arrival
and departure lounges are teaming with a strange mix of carefree
holidaymakers and war-weary Lebanon evacuees having to endure the
long wait.

The government has decided to divert more air traffic to Paphos
airport to relieve the pressure on Larnaca. But the increased flow
of traffic out of Beirut is causing a backlog at the ports with
scheduled arrivals being put back on a regular basis. Also competing
for limited accommodation are the hundreds of diplomatic staff
brought in to coordinate the evacuation out of Lebanon of their
nationals.

Britain and America are also making contingency plans to temporarily
house the thousands of evacuees coming to Cyprus on warships,
ferries and cruise liners. Around !,000 Americans have already
arrived by sea in the first sea lift on the Orient Queen earlier on
Thursday and 900-odd Britons have arrived on British destroyers
shuttling to and from Beirut since Wednesday.

A makeshift transit camp holding up to 1,000 US citizens has been
established at the state fair ground in Nicosia as the process of
getting people back home is a tremendous challenge. The makeshift
camp in Nicosia expects an inflow of 2,200 over the next 24 hours
which is a great logistical with only the 1000 so far. There is a
great need to get the people moving out of the airports and sea
ports because so many more are coming in. The American ambassador
acknowledges the great strain this is having on the government and
people of Cyprus, and how remarkable is that effort acknowledging it
ot be not only "noble but superhuman. "

British military bases are studying contingency plans to erect tents
for those they can not get out without delays. The British military
bases on Cyprus though not ideal does have the capacity to put tents
up on short notice. Flights are being chartered to fly Britons out
of Royal Air Force Akrotiri base, the largest of its kind outside
the UK.


ALSO.....

Lebanon crisis meeting to be held in Rome July 26
http://tinyurl.com/m8jw4
 

Rush Limbaugh still denies the existence of the New World Order which makes me suspicious. I know he is more sophisticated than that.
 

Sorry Constance for the choice of words in the last post.
 

On Herb's site, he posted another shocking biblical quote from Matt. 24:8 coming from Condi Rice who said: "We are seeing the Birth Pangs of the new Middle East."

This comes in the same 7 day period as when Olmert said: "We seek a covenant of peace."

My Oh my, isn't this coming right on cue?....

Lebanon crisis meeting to be held in Rome July 26
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

ROME
Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D'Alema said Friday that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will lead an international meeting of foreign ministers in Rome on July 26 to seek a Middle East cease-fire.

The meeting will bring together foreign ministers from the United States, the European Union, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan "to confront the situation in Lebanon," D'Alema said on Rai public television's national evening news broadcast.

The meeting will aim to broker a cease-fire, secure humanitarian access and find ways to stabilize the region with international forces, D'Alema said.

Lebanon crisis meeting to be held in Rome July 26

Right out of the revived ROMAN empire.

Whew!
 

This also is very interesting....

7/21/06 Risen from the chaos the nation suddenly loves him.

In every field of dry brush a match is hiding, says Amir Peretz, and one day it will be lit and ignite a big fire. The match happened to be lit on my shift, and it's my job to put out the flames. Me, of all people, he says - a man of peace and of morality, who wants to improve relations, who talked about building a diplomatic axis that would vanquish the violence. It turns out that I am the one who in these two months have had to handle what other defense ministers wouldn't see in 20 years. Peretz knows these days will either make him or break him. He talks about "putting out flames" while the army under his charge is wreaking terrible destruction in Beirut, destroying civilian infrastructure and killing hundreds of men, women and children, while men, women and children in the north are being killed and wounded by Katyushas. He isn't blind to this irony, but he projects great self-confidence.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/741115.html
 

It seems kind of interesting that the focus of the revived Roman Empire has suddenly changed from the northern sections to the southern sections. Since this event is happening in Lebanon, Cyprus is now becoming the forefront on rescue. Now the politicians are going to Rome because it is more centralised location to the middle east without being in the path of destruction, but on the same hand it has taken the focus off of recomendation 666 and brussels. Could this be Solana's perfect distraction to the world. The information about who Solana is was starting to get out at a rapid pace among Christians. The problem is it is also getting the attention of non-believers as well from what the Christians are saying. Now an event has happend that is bringing the Rome area to the forefront allowing Solana to escape or to distract from him being a possible dictator in discuise. This event has allowed Solana to look like a hero. It brings him to the forefront of the world politicaly. I look at all the pictures where Solana has given credit to other politicians for political events, even though he was the mastermind, but it looks like the time is coming near for these politicians to pay back there respects. I believe the world leaders will marvel at this mans leadership skills very soon. It reminds me of a verse. Revelation 17:13 "These are of one mind, and they will give thier power and authority to the beast." The verse before describes the kings only having power for one hour. Seems like we are on a rapid pace for the full revival of the Roman Empire. Could all this be accomplished by this November? Seems like November is Solana's favorite month.
 

I was looking at Herb's web site and looked at the picture of Solana kissing Condi Rice hand. Condi looks mesmorised like she just found a new boyfriend. But the evil intent from Solana is streaming out of his eyes under what would normally be considered an intimate moment. She is looking at him with sincere awe. But in return he is not even looking at her but looking away to the thoughts of his own mind. It looks as if Solana is not capable of showing love. His eyes are burning saying "You stupid pawn, I'm going to burn you too in due time." The look on Solana's face is that his achievement is not far away, even though it is not the face of joy, only the passion of deception and death.
 

I hope everyone is finally seeing the true nature of the Zionist Israeli state now. It is behaving like a little mini beast, killing and maiming its weaker neighbor. And LYING, that it is all because it was PROVOKED, by two soldiers being kidnapped.

Jesus told of parable of virgins, some wise and some foolish. Likewise, there are wise christians and there are foolish christians. Foolish christians are undiscerning, and follow simplistic and gratuitious end-time paradigms such as is served up by Trinity Broadcast Network 'prophets', and 'best-selling christian authors' such as Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye.

Poor innocent little offence-less Israel must 'defend' herself against rocket potshots and soldier captures by bulldozing and crushing their neighbors, murdering hundreds of citizens, maiming and mauling hundreds and hundreds more, and basically disrupting and ruining the lives of over half a million of their national neighbors.

Some christians are wise and realize this is not the actions of a people favored by God. But other deeply foolish christians gullibly think that if they support 'the Chosen People' it will win God's favor and blessings of material prosperity upon their own heads. This thinking is so wrong on so many levels. It is a brand of teaching that has been targeted at the spiritually and mentally juvenile by corrupt men-pleasing actors, who perform, preach, and write for the gain of easy popularity and lucre.

How can anyone, ANYONE, who claims to be a believer and disciple of Christ, then turn and abandon the teachings of Christ to root and cheer for a godless nation, executing evil and Satanic warfare against their defenseless neighbors? HOW??

Here is how: Christ is an offense to you. You do not believe and love his words and teachings, which are the expression of his being and the essense of God.
"Love thy neighbor as thy self."
"Do good unto those who do evil unto you."
"Pray for those who persecute you."

If you think God is sitting in heaven, misty-eyed, doling out blessings of appreciation to supporters of his darling Zionist state - hey, you have been hornswaggled.
See now - try to get ahold of this. Jesus said his 'family' are not those who shared in his human ancestry. Remember the incident? HE HIMSELF SAID that His mother and brethren in the flesh were NOT automatically his spiritual family. Whom did he say is His family?: "Those who do the will of God", i.e., believe in Jesus and follow his teachings.

See, the problem is you think the political state of Israel is God's chosen vessel for the end-times, and full of Chosen People, your veritable spiritual brothers and sisters. But nothing could be further from the truth. Because the New Covenant fulfilled the Old Covenant, and now there is only one way to be Chosen, or that is, in God's favor, and it is NOT by claiming Abraham as your father. Jesus said, "for everyone who receives not me, receives not the Father."

Are you getting this yet?? When Jesus taught this to the Jews, they effectually said 'ha, we are Abraham's children, so we know we are God's Chosen.'
[now LISTEN, if you don't know this scripture, be sure to look it up because what Jesus answered them is VERY IMPORTANT.]
He said, "If Abraham were your father, you would do the works of Abraham. But now your father is the devil, whose works you do."

When Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped by a military party of raiding kings from the east, Abraham went after that marauding military, defeated them, and rescued his nephew. He did not launch a 'scorched earth' campaign slaughtering innocent inhabitants. When Abraham feared Sodom would be destroyed, he pled for mercy upon them if there were even just a few good people among them. Today we see 'Israel' bombing and destroying the land of their neighbors, and pushing the whole world closer to WWIII on the excuse of two individual soldiers being captured. Now I ask - are these the works of Abraham? Or is this the works of an Enemy, who "comes not but to kill, to rob, and to destroy." As Jesus said to the Jews of his time, "ye do the works of the devil, who is your father."
Omigosh -- Jesus was an ANTI-SEMITE!!! He said naughty about THE JEWS!! GASP.

So likewise, the nation of Israel today, this very week, is conducting the work of Satan, and so reveals to all the world who it's spiritual father really is.
Again, there is the principle that a tree is known by it's fruit, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Unfortunately, many professing christians in the USA, of all the people in the world, seem to be the furthest from recognizing this evil for what it is. Because they suffer themselves to be led by blind guides. Rather, they should follow the Holy Spirit, who teaches us to build upon the Rock. For all those who build not upon the rock, will be like the foolish builders, who rejected the chief conrerstone, and built their house on sand. And great will be the fall thereof.

And what did the Lord Jesus promise to those who love and ensue for peace: "... for they shall be called, the Children of God."

And what did Jesus warn those who choose to live by the sword? "He who lives by the sword, will die by the sword."

Do not rush to call me an "islamic anti-semite" - because I am neither.

Go by the Word, not the herd.
 

Peace seeker,
How ironic that you would use such a name. You are writing out of passion, surely, but you are also not writing out of a true understanding of God's Word. Anyone who truly STUDIES the scriptures is totally aware that God regathered the Jews into the Holy Land while they were yet in unbelief. NO, they don't know their true Messiah yet, but through great tribulation,one day they will. The story--God's plan for them-- simply isn't finished like you imply. Please do not cast stones at any of us, when in fact, YOU have not been led properly in the study of God's Word!! We cannot pick and choose how we want things to be. GOD is the sovereign One who guides the courses of history. I encourage YOU to find proper teachers. I will pray for your understanding.
 

'Piece' seeker, refering to piece Israel apart one piece at a time.
Since you feel enlightened, here is one for you. Romans 11:16-21
For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree,were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.


You should really read all of Romans ch 9,10,11. It will humble you just a little bit while boasting how good you are( or Christians in general) and how bad Israel is.

Romans 11:25 For I do not desire, bretheren, that you should be ignorant of thismystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the gentiles has come in.

Now about the military perspective. What do you expect them to do? Sit around and become politically correct like you and other liberals. And padon me for calling you a liberal. You are one when it comes to the Bible. You teach replacement theology and expect to be blessed by it? Now here is a concept, how about taking the Bible literally, especially when God has revealed his plan for the Jews that you don't seem to care about to much. Sometimes I wonder if the people who claim to be Christians really are when they portray such garbage on the Jews. The reason why I wonder is the simple fact that you cant take the Bible for its literall interperatation when it comes to the Jews, so how can you decide to take the message of salvation for its literall meaning either? Why are you so selective when it comes to the Bible? I will believe this part because it sounds good to me, but I don,t like this part so I have to change the meaning of it or ignore it. The Bible is not a grocery store I'll take a little of this but not any of that. Teach your anti Jewish deception to satan. Youll be in good company.
The reality is, the demise of the Jews is the demise of Christianity! At this point in time, satan recognises that both are against him. And one day, the Jews will recieve the true messiah, Jesus Christ.
 

As far as blaming the Jews for the beginning of world war 3, how about putting the blame where it is rightly deseved, TERRORIST !!!They are the pawns of satan!
 

The Bible clearly shows us how the world empires and surrounding nations interact with the nation of Israel in the end times. It would appear to me that Peace Keeper missed some major portions of scripture in his analysis:

Revelation 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Luke 19
43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Did you notice WHO casts the trench? These are the Lord's words.

Zachariah 12:2
"I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem.

Peace Keeper, in light of this scripture, who is persecuting whom?

Of further interest: Palestinian Media Watch – A Self Portrait of Palestinian Society http://www.pmw.org.il

The I’m not anti-Semitic, just anti Zionist argument is more than transparent.

RichInMedford
 

The following is well said....

HOW DO REPLACEMENT THEOLOGIANS ARGUE THEIR CASE? THEY SAY:
(Note: I have added my rebuttal to each point.)
1. To be a son of Abraham is to have faith in Jesus Christ. For them, Galatians 3:29
shows that sonship to Abraham is seen only in spiritual, not national terms: “And if you be
Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Rebuttal: While this is a wonderful inclusionary promise for Gentiles, this verse does not exclude the
Jewish people from their original covenant, promise and blessing as the natural seed of Abraham. This verse simply
joins us Gentile Christians to what God had already started with Israel.
2. The promise of the land of Canaan to Abraham was only a “starter.” The real
Promised Land is the whole world. They use Romans 4:13 to claim it will be the Church that
inherits the world, not Israel. “For the promise that he should be the heir of the world was not
to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”
Rebuttal: Where does this verse exclude Abraham and His natural prodigy, the Jews? It simply says that
through the law, they would not inherit the world, but this would be acquired through faith. This is also true of
the Church.
3. The nation of Israel was only the seed of the future Church, which would arise and
incorporate people of all nations (Mal. 1:11): “For from the rising of the sun, even unto the
going down of the same, My Name shall be great among the nations, and in every place,
incense shall be offered to My Name, and a pure offering for My Name shall be great among the
nations, says the Lord of Hosts.”
Rebuttal: This is great, and shows that the Jewish people and Israel fulfilled one of their callings to be “a
light to the nations,” so that God’s Word has gone around the world. It does not suggest God’s dealing with Israel
was negated because His Name spread around the world.
4. Jesus taught that the Jews would lose their spiritual privileges, and be replaced by
another people (Matt. 21:43): “Therefore I am saying to you, ‘The kingdom of God will be taken
from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it.’”
Rebuttal: In this passage, Jesus was talking about the priests and Pharisees, who failed as leaders of the people.
This passage is not talking about the Jewish people or nation of Israel. See Teaching Letter #770008, “Did
God Break His Covenant With the Jews?”
5. A true Jew is anyone born of the Spirit, whether he is racially Gentile or Jewish
(Rom. 2:28-29): “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is
outward in the flesh; But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart,
in the spirit and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
Rebuttal: This argument does not support the notion that the Church replaced Israel. Rather, it simply reinforces
what had been said throughout the Hebrew Scriptures [the Old Testament], and it certainly qualifies the
spiritual qualifications for Jews or anyone who professes to be a follower of the God of Israel.
6. Paul shows that the Church is really the
same “olive tree” as was Israel, and the Church is
now the tree. Therefore, to distinguish between
Israel and the Church is, strictly speaking, false.
Indeed, people of Jewish origin need to be
grafted back into the Church (Rom 11:17-23).
Rebuttal: This claim is the most outrageous
because this passage clearly shows that we Gentiles are
the “wild olive branches,” who get our life from being
grafted into the olive tree. The tree represents the
covenants, promises and hopes of Israel (Eph. 2:12),
rooted in the Messiah and fed by the sap, which represents the
Holy Spirit, giving life to the Jews (the “natural branches”) and Gentile
alike. We Gentiles are told to remember that the olive tree holds us up
and NOT to be arrogant or boast against the “natural branches”
because they can be grafted in again. The olive tree is NOT the
Church. We are simply grafted into God’s plan that preceded us
for over 2,000 years.
2
7. All the promises made to Israel in the Old Testament, unless they were historically
fulfilled before the coming of Jesus Christ, are now the property of the Christian Church.
These promises should not be interpreted literally or carnally, but spiritually and symbolically,
so that references to Israel, Jerusalem, Zion and the Temple, when they are prophetic,
really refer to the Church (II Cor. 1:20). “For all the promises of God in Him (Jesus) are Yea,
and in Him, Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” Therefore, they teach that the New Testament
needs to be taught figuratively, not literally.
Rebuttal: Later, in this Teaching Letter, we will look at the fact that the New Testament references to Israel
clearly pertain to Israel, not the Church. Therefore, no promise to Israel and the Jewish people in the Bible is figurative,
nor can they be relegated to the Church alone. The promises and covenants are literal, many of them are
everlasting, and we Christians can participate in them as part of our rebirth, not in that we took them over to the
exclusion of Israel. The New Testament speaks of the Church’s relationship to Israel and her covenants as being
“grafted in” (Rom. 11:17), “brought near” (Eph. 2:13), “Abraham’s offspring (by faith)” (Rom. 4:16), and “partakers”
(Rom. 15:27), NOT as usurpers of the covenant and a replacer of physical Israel. We Gentile Christians joined
into what God had been doing in Israel, and God did not break His covenant promises with Israel (Rom. 11:29).
Shalom from Jerusalem,
Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.
 

Connie, this is D writing today from CA. This sends a chill through me.
http://www.gopbloggers.org/julypollresults.php?refer=rightwingnews.com

The link puts Allen, Tancredo and New Age Newt as winners in a poll for likeability in 2008.
 

http://www.gopbloggers.org/
julypollresults.php?
refer=rightwingnews.com

This should be the full link reference. I don't know why the other seemed to cut some off.
 

To D,

I just received Tancredo's book from Amazon and have briefly scanned through it. A few things raised an eyebrow. Is he a new ager?
 

I do not believe Tom Tancredo to be a New Ager. That is not to say that I agree with him on everything -- I suspect we may have some substantial arguments vis a vis immigrants. I have met Tom Tancredo personally and I knew him to be a supporter of my work against the New Age Movement. When I met him, he was trying to resist same within the U.S. Department of Education.