Thursday, March 09, 2006



I’ve had another long day at the office and am still here past 11 p.m. I intended to leave a little earlier, but I took one last peek at news headlines before departing for home, my husband, cat and dog, and nice warm bed. The usual mayhem, murder, church burnings, etc. occupied the news. Then I decided to check recent news articles about Dr. Solana again using the search engine. Fatal mistake! I can see its going to be a night too short and morning too soon. I cannot leave here without blogging this one.

What was that headline? “Javier Solana says the world is not standing still.” What did he mean by that? Well, let’s read it real slow – together. Well, EurActiv was nice enough to summarize it: “With or without the Constitution the EU urgently needs to think about streamlining itself, says EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana . . .”

Hmm, does that mean reducing EU governmental positions? I read recently that Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero was thinking of asking Javier Solana to fill the Spanish Socialist Party vacancy for candidate as Mayor of Madrid. Fat chance! I’m more than certain that given the control and world wide frequent flyer privileges that Solana has enjoyed, including successive entertainments at the world’s palaces, he would not be content to be a mere participant at the Spanish equivalent of the United States’ National League of Cities or U.S. Conference of Mayors.

Even if most in the USA don’t currently recognize Dr. Solana’s name or title, those in high places clearly do. Javier Solana, being the political animal his spokeswoman Cristina Gallach says he is, would certainly not wish to step down from running all of Europe to running only Madrid. Well, what does he seek as a true Euro-patriot?

In his own unique phraseology, Solana says:

"I remain convinced that Europe badly needs the ideas contained in the Constitution for a more streamlined and effective EU. We need more consistency among political, economic and military instruments; a better link between the budget and the political decision-making and a more effective system of external representation. The world is not standing still and there is no time to lose. The Union has to respond quickly and gain legitimacy by action."
"No individual country today is capable to cope successfully with the challenges that confront us[...] Member states realise that their influence is greater when they are united and act together. There is no a zero-sum game, in reality we have a win-win situation for everyone."

Well, I am fairly certain, based on my Solana-watching since November 22, 1995 that it is a safe bet that he does not mean to step down and hand his current responsibilities to the Austrian lady who currently shows up as part of his long-dreaded ‘troika,’ Benita Ferrero-Waldner. It is interesting to note that in these configurations, at meetings of, say for example, “The Quartet” that Javier Solana is seated next to Condoleezza Rice, whereas Jack Straw and Benita Ferrero-Waldner sit "beneath the salt," at the end of the table and not as part of the true decision makers, unlike Dr. Solana, who clearly is "the insider." The EU Commissioner for External Affairs until the new EU constitution becomes ratified and Solana as Foreign Minister designate is properly installed as the “One Voice” for Europe.

“Foreign Minister” has one nuance to USA citizens who see the Secretary of State as operating under the thumb of the USA presidency. Under the proposed EU constitution or whatever structure Javier Solana helps them with midwifing, it means something entirely different. It relegates the EU presidency to essentially “a handshaker” and gives autocratic powers, both foreign policy and military to “the Foreign Minister,” i.e.., Javier Solana.

Solana may be urging the hastening of his ratification process now to forestall an increasingly shaky coalition. France’s Chirac has announced his renewed determination to increase Javier Solana’s powers. That was good news for Javier Solana. On the other hand, he was recently criticized by the Dutch foreign minister. And now, very recently, the Polish President Lech Kaczynski has come out in staunch opposition to the Jacques’ Chirac’s proposals and the underlying powerful Foreign Minister position itself. The same article (you may read it by clicking on the hyperlinks underlying the last sentence) noted that other opposition now appeared to be developing to Javier Solana. It will be interesting to see what pressures the USA puts on those countries to back him. My long memory of Javier Solana includes Canada of March 1995 vis a vis Canada of November 1995 when Canada joined the USA in unanimously electing Javier Solana as the new head of NATO. Only six short months earlier, in March, 1995, Javier Solana had sent Spanish war ships against Canada when they tried to protect their fishing stocks.

Well, at any rate, it appears that Javier Solana wants his enhanced power and he wants it now. It will be very interesting to watch the winners and losers in this game. I’m putting my money on Javier Solana, but then again, life – and politics – are full of surprises. As my friend Herb Peters says, “Stay tuned.” Will he be king? Will he be Mayor of Madrid? I’m betting on the former, but then again, I could happily be wrong.
Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ohlmert has announced that Israel will draw permanent borders in 2010, an action destined to draw much controversy in that year, the same year the European Neighbourhood Action Plan is up for midpoint review in its 7 year confirmatory renewal process. This could be big news. It is interesting to see how the EU will react!
It seems to be kind of strange timing for Solana to be proposing this at the same time Kofi Annan of the UN has a proposal on the table to streamline the UN.
"This reform is not a cost-cutting exercise, any more than it is a grab for power by the Secretariat, or a desperate attempt to placate one or two major contributors to the budget," Annan told the General Assembly.
"...Many of the proposals are controversial, including one that would give the secretary-general more power to allocate and consolidate jobs without asking the General Assembly..."

It probably sounds paranoid, but this reminds me of the con man's shell game where the rube tries to find where the bean is hidden. Since when are these two power hungry structures so concerned about spending the money of other people? I have no real basis for this thought, but it strikes me as similar to the time that Nazi leadership made a transition from the SA to the SS. It cut the number of people involved, but hardened the focus of the organization and consolidated the power.

As far as 2010, I hope we make it thru 2006.
At times as I read and look at the evil of this entire “plan” that the earth is about to experience, I get a feeling of dread. I think that John captures that feeling best in Revelation 12:12 where he writes "...Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

I need to sometimes remind myself of his fate: Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

I pray for all Christians reading this that you stay strong in faith and heart.

As for the serpent’s ultimate destiny to the pit--as I’ve heard Constance read from LeMesurier’s Armageddon Script--“In the pit, the orchestra is warming up.” And I'm sure it's plenty warm!
Looks like he shouldn't care, anyway. While the Polish Prime Minister was objecting, Javier Solana picked up a whole bunch of new military toys -- for 'peacekeeping' and 'disaster relief,' no doubt. See

Why should he need the title as long as he has the guns?
Every time I see Condoleeza Rice sitting with Javier Solana like they are big buddies, I am wondering where this woman is coming from as regards a Christian perspective.

Apparently, the present Administration in the White House holds a daily Bible Study and Prayer Meeting, this includes the President and all the other important people there.

I would like to ask whether they actually read the book of Revelation or Daniel, and if so, do they believe any of the prophecy written there? Have they never heard of the end times prophecy of a powerful person that is to come and rule the world and that he is ultra evil? Also, where is Billy Graham and his son, are they warning the President to watch out for such an individual, for surely they must know about the prophecy?

Have they been so hoodwinked that they just cannot envisage that this person, Javier Solarno, could be that person, and that by doing business with him they are merely strengthening his position by endorsing him on the world stage.

I am praying that they are not blindly going along with all that this self promoting individual proposes, and more care is needed, given that this unelected guy Javier Solarno is getting far too powerful for any one person, other than the elected President of the United States, should be.

It seems ironic that President Bush, while doing so much to try and counteract the Muslim terrorists, is just blindly sleepwalking into this takeover of the World by this self promoting, unelected, power seeking snake in the grass, Javier Solarno. But then, why should I be so surprised, as the Bible does tell us that this person will come in by charm and deception and fool many.

I feel that the United States is on the edge, and it is tragic, though I am still praying for her, that she will wake up and come back to God before it is too late, and get rid of the athiestic people they have got in power and get back to God's laws regarding such things as abortion and same sex marriage. The greatest nation on earth is being caught napping, and if the US goes down, we can kiss freedom goodbye.
I would like to add however, that I do believe that President Bush does have the best interests of the people of the United States at heart, and is doing his best, but he is up against people who are self serving, and unfortunately, have great charm!
This one is kinda spooky...Islamic websites carry
al-Qaida's 'last warning'

Threat of 2 operations designed
to bring Americans 'to your knees'

If it is real and OBL gives the go-ahead, and terror happens in America as this person says it will, then the time is ripe for Javier Solana to step up and take his place, especially (prayerfully) if the Rapture happens first.

Sounds like they may hit the FBI and/or CIA... "because following this one, there will be no one to analyze and investigate"
To the anon. of 5:15. You wonder if the president and his staff read revelation and daniel. He probably has. There is just one problem. He personally believes that there is no more significance to Israel in Bible prophecy. He believes that the prophecies were filled by 70 A.D. that apply to Israel. And yes I did mean A.D. for you politically correct souls. It came as a shock to me when I learned of it in june of 2005. But then it gave a whole new perspective when watching him deal with the road map to peace. A verse that comes to mind even though it might not be all in context is Matt 24:24 when Jesus says " For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to decieve if possible even the elect." Bush admires Israel for thier contribution to christianity, but not for its significance to come. Replacement Theology has done significant damage to the education of christians. Now we are about to pay because of it.
This is not a Bush basher. I voted for him and was proud to do so when you look at the other options. But now I wonder how many christians are being 'decieved' by his replacement theology beliefs. From what I see most christians are now blindly willing to follow.
To Child of God
Interesting post, I've always been suspicious of our President's Christian leanings, especially as I consider he is a Skull & Bones initiate. One theology I'm encountering as I talk with people is that they believe that Nero fulfilled the prophecies pertaining to the antichrist. I'm finding it necessary to show why Nero could not have fulfilled those prophecies when comparing the theory to the scriptural requirements. The response I usually get is something like, "yes, but its not to be interpreted literally."
I'm sure glad I found this blog site. I never heard of Javier Solana until January, when I started my search into Rick Warren's New Age connections. That's when I stumbled on this site. I read The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow back when I was in high school and have tried to keep tabs on the NAM since then.

Since January of this year I began following the links on Javier Solana from this site to discover more about him. This guy actually scares me. In American politics we often hear the phrase, "If it sounds like a duck, if it looks like a duck, it's probably a duck." Well, Solana certainly seems like he's slowly positioning himself to take over as Europe's number one influential political force.

The web sites that I originally posted about Rick Warren somehow didn't completely publish thoroughly. So, if you've tried to use them, they probably didn't work. However, if you do a web search, all you need to do is type in Rick Warren and New Age and there will be a flood of web sites. Hopefully, this will help.

David in Battle Creek
And if it isn't a duck, its going to be a close relative.
To Rich: I hear those "literal interperatation" comments quite a bit as well. The one thing you ask them is if thier salvation is literal. Of course they will say yes. But the reality is, for them to be saved they have to take the message literally as well. So why the literall selectiveness I ask? They usually have no answer, but serious thought does start in thier eyes. If the Bible is not literall then neither is Jesus or thier salvation.
The other anonymous has a great deal more faith in President Bush than does this Anonymous! He claims God spoke to him and told him, George W. Bush, to invade Afghanistan. Then God spoke to him and told him to invade Iraq. Then, per Mahmoud Abbas and his deputy, he claimed that now God was speaking to him and telling him to build a two state solution for Israel? COULD PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH conceivably be THE FALSE PROPHET who makes the world worship the first beast? Doesn't his White House Bible Study know about the prophecies about Israel? Is he deliberately trying to fulfill them along with his buddy, Pat Robertson who claimed he was chosen by God to televise the 2nd Coming? How deep will this deception go?
To Anon. 7:36

"Then, per Mahmoud Abbas and his deputy, he claimed that now God was speaking to him and telling him to build a two state solution for Israel?"

Abbas and his deputy are liars just like Arafat was. In fact, Abbas is Arafat number two.

Bush said he never said any of that and as president, he wouldn't say such a thing. Have you seen him or heard his voice saying it? NO! Neither have I, and I scour the internet everday for news from all over the world.

It is made up conspiracy talk that you clearly haven't discerned.
I don't know where to post this, so I will post it here. We are hearing that the general public is in the wrong because they challenged the administration decision that turned over port control. They said that the Arab community would be upset and would feel discriminated against.

My response: Many business people such as the Graces, the Pews, the Bushes did business with the Nazis. They were part of the business community. So many talk show hosts are telling us we made a mistake by challenging the business deal with the UAR. Could we have avoided WWII by expanding business with the Mazis?

Right now New Age is a resurgence of Nazism with the Muslims taking the part of the Germans. The Muslims are part of cultist thinking just as the Gemans were. The immans are taking on the John the Baptist role.
Will someone be on the scene who Christians, Jews and Muslims think is the Messiah to lead us into the New Age.?
To Anon. 5:16
I was following you through most of your post until I reached the last paragraph. I don’t agree that this can be blamed entirely on the Muslims as there is a lot of blame to be spread around. To illustrate this, I’ll answer your question.

Over many years, “enlightened” individuals calling themselves world servers have orchestrated their efforts and conditioned the masses to receive the new age messiah. He is to fulfill this position for multiple belief systems—ones that are rooted in mysticism. Your question specifically relates to Christianity, Judaism and Islam. There are mystic offshoots of these religions that no longer resemble the core beliefs of their parents. Those who hold true the core beliefs are considered to be “fundamentalists,” for whom they have a plan. The mystical elements have evangelized and prepared for the acceptance of this new age messiah.

So regarding Nazism, bear in mind that its foundational writings are exactly the same as those of the new age movement’s. The goals are identical—a restoration of the mysteries as well as the re-establishment of the Aryan root race. That being said, the blame cannot fall onto any one group of people, e.g., not all Germans were Nazis. There will most definitely be Muslims who have difficulty accepting the new age messiah. To put it in somewhat new age terms, this conspiracy “transcends” all nations and all religions.
Submitted by RichInMedford
To 12:58 AM
I've never heard Bush say he's heard the voice of God--at this point it’s not really relevant to me. What is relevant is that Bush does support a two state solution. As Israel has looked to the United States when the going gets rough, our administration has stepped aside and told them to get back to the table and follow the roadmap for peace which is a two state solution. Under the antichrist, it will become a no state solution.
You don't believe Bush said that? What about this?
The Bush statements were well publicized and to my knowledge, he has never denied it. Moreover, he did invade Afghanistan, he did invade Iraq and he is WORKING HARD for a two Palestinian State as well as "The European Project"!!!
Rich, you really did not understand what I wrote. All three monotheistic groups believe that there will be an individual who will come to usher in a utopia. Jews messed it up with Shabtei Zvi. The Christians in Germany messed it up with Hitler. I don't know enough about Islam to see if there was someone or more than someone in their history who appeared to fulfill that role.

The New Age movement also uses the idea that there is someone who will transition humanity into a New Age. They conned the Christians in Germany that the new messsiah was Hitler. That was only the recent example. This has happened many times over the past.

Right now the head of Iran believes that there will be an imman who is going to bring into a New Age where Muslim beliefs will take the forefront. It is no different than what the Germans believed about Hitler.

New Age leaders. in their attempts to control society, are very willing to use any group of believers to destroy monotheism. Right now they are using Muslims. From what I can grasp, there is no Muslim "anti-Christ". So Muslims do not consider the possibility of an "anti-Christ" and are not on guard.

"Some Christians are standing by, trying to fit what is happening now into what they believe are Bible predictions, but they are doing nothing to push the issue. Jews are not thinking in terms of a Messiah on the scene though it's in their scope of things.

However, there are members of the Islamic community who are doing a John the Baptist now. Here from a January BBC story:

The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return.

One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well.

All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran.

Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.

He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed. After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus."

Just put in the key words in your search and you will find the story.
To Anonymous : 5:19 PM

First I must return Hitler and Shabtei Zvi back to the world of mystics as those ties are well documented. In fact, Alice Bailey’s husband, Foster Bailey, took credit for Hitler in “Running God’s Plan.” Alice Bailey is given credit by the modern new age movement as one of its founding mothers.

Please forgive me for misunderstanding your initial question. Without getting bogged down into the details of the new age, I'll rely on Biblical scriptures to present the messianic expectations of the Chrisians and Jews.

What is it that past and present day Christians were/are watching for to correctly identify the Messiah? Jesus told us so no man could deceive us: Matthew 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Hitler didn’t even come close to fulfilling this prophecy. In fact, Christians believed him to be the antichrist. As Anonymous : 8:55 put it, he was a close relative to the duck.

The return of the Messiah and the rebuilding of the temple are very much on the minds of the Jewish people. For them, they still await the Messiah’s first coming. Scripture tells us that they will receive the false messiah—but only temporarily. Why only temporarily? What is going to happen? Again I’ll rely on scripture here for the answer:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

We can see from the above scripture that temple worship is made to cease at mid week, or 3-1/2 years. What would the false messiah do to stop sacrifice? Revelation 13:14-15 tells us: 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

It looks as though the citizens of the earth have reached decision point! This will be an eye opener for both orthodox Jews and Muslims because it violates the most basic commandment:
Exodus 20:3-4: 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Jesus gave instruction what to do when this occurs (Mathew 24:15). I cannot speak for the Muslims how they will react, but it is my prayer that they re-evaluate Jesus Christ, the One and only true Messiah.
Submitted by RichInMedford
Child of God said:
"You wonder if the president and his staff read revelation and daniel... Bush admires Israel for their contribution to christianity, but not for its significance to come. Replacement Theology has done significant damage to the education of christians."

William Wannamaker states in his book that "compromise separates us from absolute truth - one of the most commonly used deceptions of the devil is compromise." The author also states that "the devil will not seek to convince the believer to embrace outright lies... rather, he will attempt to get us to compromise in ways that are so slight and so insignificant that they seem harmless."

Don in Alabama
Great Blog Constance My first time here but I will be back. I have been reading to catch up on Javier Solano.
Busy fellow. However I'm careful about the 666 stuff as so many connections have been suggested in the past about other candidates for the Anti-Christ. Javier does fit the bill as far as his esoteric bent and his political ambitions go.
I read somewhere that the United Nations has a seat numbered 666 that is vacant right now, I'm not sure how that fits if at all. Funny I have been reading and re-reading the book of Daniel the last month for no apparent reason until now. I guess I will be a regular going forward to see what is going on with this Javier Solano. Thanks for all the links you have provided and your research to date.
I have googled him to try to get some background and found lots. I hope to catch up so that I can participate on this blog.
Fundamentally yours
Rich, I'm well aware of Bailey. Regarding Hitler and Shabbtai Zvi, after the fact it's easy to put them into a category like mystics.

There wasn't talk about Hitler being the Christian Messiah, but there were many Christians who accepted his role as a Messiah. Being Christians didn't put their guard up when he was coming to power. The minority of Christians who were opposed to Hitler were opposed because they saw the paganism in his movement.

You are a person who does very good research so I would suggest you go to Jewish sites to learn what they are looking for in a Messiah. Here's one source:

Christians are entitled to their own beliefs regarding the Messiah. They can even say what Jews should think. But it remains a Christian spin on what Jews should believe and has nothing to do with what Jews believe.

New Agers think someone is coming to move humanity into a New Age. They preach that Jesus was an ascended Master who moved humanity into the age of Christianity or the Age of Pisces (fish symbol). They are not above bringing someone on the scene and propagandizing how they fulfill prophecies, as in "isn't it amazing that..."

Constance has done an amazing job of warning us of leaders who are around us and follow occult/pagan beliefs. I want to use an analogy here. It's not enough to believe in American values and not know who is the enemy of these values. Christians and Jews need more than their own beliefs to protect them. They need to know the scope of the enemy about which the commandment warned us. Where is the religious leadership that is warning about the movement toward pagan beliefs?

In the same way that the churches, mosques and synagogues have helped to push the New Age agenda by refusing to recognize the roots of various movements, they will probably cheer the planned New Age savior who will not be calling himself by that name.
To Anonymous : 12:24 AM

I agree with you that the evangelization for the previous new age messiah did take place in prewar Europe. However, I do not agree with your suggestion that Christians were responsible the advancement of national socialism. The Catholic church very much opposed nazism People of faith did not fare very well under that system. Hitler bore no resemblance to the scriptural requirements that Christians expected in a second coming. This is not after the fact analysis—the resistance was very real and frightening for the people living under that oppressive regime. Their writings reflect as much.

I did look at the Judaism 101 web site that you sent me and it does support my earlier post. I am not imposing my Christian spin on the Jewish expectations of the messiah. My previous post is exactly aligned with Judaism 101. The abomination of desolation is not a little baby lying in a cradle. He is an adult political figure who extends the olive branch to the Jews. They accept that olive branch and receive him as their savior. They soon thereafter reject him in exchange for the real. The scripture I site in the previous post supports that. Also, Zechariah 12:10: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Your posts seem somewhat contentious toward Christianity. Are you pro, con, indifferent? Are you confusing Christianity with the apostatized church as Paul wrote: 1 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I am in complete agreement with you that Constance has done an amazing job in warning us about the new age and I’m glad she has this forum.
Submitted by RichInMedford
Dear Onion:

Thanks for the kind words. You will get more yields on my most recent favorite subject if you spell "Javier Solana" - SOLANA rather than ending in an "o". Don't know for sure yet if he is THE ONE or a wannabe; however, he sure appears to be one very educated guess! His mother's guru was "Osho," more commonly known to USA residents as "Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh," infamous in Oregon in the 1980s for taking over Antelope and nearly Madras, Oregon, accumulating one of the largest weapons caches in that State's history, attempting to poison the local water supply through his followers, having 97 Rolls Royce's, etc., etc. His grandfather was an endorser of Planetary Citizens and was associated with H. G. Wells.
To Rich in Medford:

Your Biblical discernment is tremendous and we are on the same page. Thank you for your posts and for your very kind words. I suspect our Jewish correspondent is not hostile to true Christianity, but to the various apostatized manifestations which inverted Christianity to justify non-biblical hatred of Jews!
Rich, there is nothing on that page about extending an olive branch, etc.

There is no copyright on the Bible. Christians feel free to interpret and act on those interpretations, and judging by the number of links in Google, they do just that. But an interpretation is just that. It is not an absolute truth that must be accepted by everyone. Thus you can say Christians believe, but you cannot say Jews believe thus and so.

In Judaism the Books of the Holy Bible are divided into three categories: 1. The Torah (Law)- 5 books of Moses. 2. The Prophets (Niviim)- 21 books and 3. The Writings (Ketuvim) - 13 books. Daniel does not appear in Niviim but in Ketuvim.

Jews have their own interpretations of Daniel. Here is one:

Here is an academic analysis of Daniel.

Regarding Christianity, why would I blame a religion for the weaknesses of humans, particularly a religion that borrows so much from Judaism. Religion is like a fountain. It stands ready to quench the spiritual needs of individuals, but how much one takes from the fountain is dependent on many, many things.

The Nazi movement was not a Christian movement, but the Nazis did use Protestant Christians to spread their movement, particularly early on before the churches involved with the Nazis realized they had sold their souls to the devil and it was too late to back out in the later '30s. Knowledge of their religion did not stop these people from joining the Nazi movement. As I mentioned above, I attribute this to human weakness and not to the basics of the religion itself.

The Catholics were in a better position to fight the Nazi movement because they were more centrally organized than were the Protestants.

From the items I have from 1935, it seems that the individuals who fought the Nazis early on were those who recognized the paganism in that movement, and those had to be people who took their religion seriously. From what I've read, Germany at that time was filled with people who were only nominally religious, but who liked that their church let them accept the Nazis while calling themselves Christian. Kind of like the religious organizations who now support New Age ideas while calling themselves Jewish, Christian or Catholic.
To Anonymous 12:21

It's taken several posts to somewhat understand one another. I've had fun corresponding with you and hope we can continue to post to one another. I think that we will not arrive at a consensus on the Messiah today, but I pray for a different day. As true Christians, we do not want to see any harm come to the state of Israel nor any of its occupants. By the way, can you post your first name so I recognize you as I post?

Anna nUrges Overhaul of UN Operations for a rapid reaction force of 2,500 to help millions facing hunger, violence and terrorism.

But wait, hasn't Solana already sought to establish a rapid reaction force via Recommendation 666 of about (correct me if I'm wrong Constance) 50,000 to 60,000 members? I believe the answer is yes.

8. Assist the European Union in framing its "headline goal" of deploying and sustaining a European force capable of carrying out the full range of Petersberg missions, on the basis of the work done by WEU, in relation especially to the illustrative Petersberg mission profiles;

Also see The European Union's 'Headline Goal'
Also if I am not mistaken, the ultimate goal of making this European rapid reaction force is not just limited to EU member-states, but via the neighborhood policy, the force can be mobilized to other regions under the EU's wing.

This mobilization power rests in the hands of the High Representative for the Common Foreign & Security Policy. And of course this was all written up in Recommendation 666 by Solana himself, I guess for himself in light of Constance's latest blogspot posting.
The jews do understand the part of Daniel refering to the seven final years to come. As far as abomination of desolation or stop to sacrifice they probably regard it as only history like the jehova's witnesses.
Child, you found this information in the Jewish writings where? The link please.
Jewish kabbalah rabi refers to the final 7 year period to there redemption and the 7 yr. gog-maggog invation.
Child or they consider it a mistranslation...
This might make you wonder what kind of christianity Bush's and his staff is being guided by. Porn star invited back to white house for financial support. Replacement theology, flirting with the porn industry, dividing Israel. It just makes me wonder how much Godly guidence he is getting right now. What gets me even more is this porn star claims to be a christian and read her Bible every night and pray to God. And she publically has no problem with porn. Things that make you go Hmmm.
To Anonymous 7:00
Out of curiousity, what will you do when the abomination of desolation does occur? The new age visionaries fully admit what they plan to do and it coincides with the Christian interpretation of the prophecies. If you have a preference for the wording "should it occur," I still am interested in your answer.

I have mid term exams so will not be on this site for awhile but look forward to reading your answer when I return.
Child, the number 7 has a special connotation in Judaism.

"Kabbalah teaches that 7 represents wholeness and completion.
After 7 days, the world was complete."

There was nothing in the story of Rabbi Kaduri that indicated he used the seven years as a result of reading Daniel.

Let's just say that Rabbi Kaduri was a rather strange individual and not representative of even Orthodox Jews in general.
Rich, you seem to have a better idea of the New Age timeline for the false Messiah.than I do. Perhaps you can fill us in. How can I plan in advance what I will do if don't have a timeline? At this point I will play it by ear and trust to God.
As of 10:24 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, USA, using moderate google filtering, these were the results on a search for "Javier Solana"

"Results 1 - 10 of about 4,940,000 for "Javier Solana". (0.06 seconds)

How does somebody with that much out there about him on the web remain such an invisible man to so many Americans?
Your answer is somewhat nonresponsive to the question. The question was what will you do when it happens? Make the assumption that it will happen and happen within your lifetime. Its not a trick question or intended to cause you anguish. I just really want to know.
Rich, I also believe abomination of desolation is a mistranslation, so how can I speculate on something vague that I don't accept. It's like asking me what would I do if the sky turned green tomorrow or if people started to walk on their hands because someone translated the words that way. Give me some specifics to work with that we can both accept as a possibility.

Many years ago in a high school journalism class I learned about "who, what, when, where, why and sometimes now." That works for me because, I'll admit, I have a lot of trouble with planning around abstract possibilities that I don't understand.
I think a possible interpretation (bearing in mind that we all see through glass darkly until the actual events transpire and we see them for what they are) is somebody demanding virtual and also acting as a destroyer. Luke 21 may contain a picture of what is to come.
The New Agers have announced timelines twice this century -- starting in 1910 when they announced Krishnamurti was the one to come and then again in 1975 when they announced to "expect the Christ in the spring of 1982". Things won't happen until God permits them to happen. Historically it was demonstrated that God always sent fair warning to his people (and those who then weren't -- witness Jonah and Nineveh). But things may be happening fast -- those same New Agers who ran those ads in 1982 saying "the Christ is now here" have not gone away -- they have accelerated and intensified their efforts via the internet. They are working through vehicles such as United Religions (read Lee Penn's new book, FALSE DAWN), the United Nations (Alliance of Civilizations) and think they are now ready to pull things now, witness Marilyn Ferguson's newest title AQUARIUS NOW. If God IS ready, we'd better be. The only true security is to be in the center of God's will. Maybe daily we should pray that God will make His will our personal will and his desires for us our personal desires for us -- that may be the least stressful way to stay in his will and make it successfully through these turbulent times!
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Anonymous : 8:52 AM
It may be uncomfortable, but it really isn’t that vague. Consider the new age literature. Visionaries such as Barbara Marx Hubbard, David Spangler, Benjamin Crème, etc. state that we must undergo an initiation to enter the new age alive. Hubbard’s “Book of Co-creation” is specific, it’s a 666—receive it or else. Alice Bailey’s "Rays and Initiations" also extensively covers initiation--again, its a 666. Everyone gets initiated in one form or another. Bailey considers refusal to be a form of initiation. I’ll bet no-one needs to think too hard to figure this one out! All this coincides with the Biblical account we are warned to expect.

To give you something that you find not abstract, set aside the Biblical account. By the looks of it, initiation soon awaits us.
You may need to draw upon your faith to make that decision. Do you know what it will be?
Rich, read the paragraph on the initiation as found in Bailey material. According to Bailey there are five stages to the initiation. Read what pertains to 666 here.

You might want to read this piece by a Jewish woman who lives in Israel. It's quite long, but good.
She writes: "The number 666, held as Lucifer's sacred number, is to be used wherever possible to hasten his appearance, or alternately, as a 'signal for help' to UFOs whose inhabitants serve under Lucifer. [this number is not meaningful to Jews, but early Christian tradition, while still close to its Jewish roots, called it "the number of the beast", who was an evil creature empowered by "the dragon" to make war against the Jews - see New Testament, Revelation 13.]"
Regarding initiations she comments:
" Lucifer,Creme preaches, is the only being to have evolved to a '7th degree initiation', as opposed to Buddha (6th) or Jesus (4th) (the latter was briefly classed as a 5th degree, which would have released him from further reincarnation; however, he was found "unworthy" of this level). [the only "master" known to have been "demoted"...maybe because the 'masters' found out he was Jewish??]"

and this is getting quite long, so go to #4 under 1. Plans for religion to see what the initiation is supposed to be.

Then again, these characters feel free to change the text in their books and then deny they have done so. I do not expect occultists to tell the truth or be consistent, living in the murky world of relativity as they do.

You ask what I will do in the future. My answer, just what I've been doing for many, many years in the past. I continue to warn Jews and Christians to the best of my ability of the dangers to them that come from those who take the occult path. I do not have to wait until an "initiation" to take a stand. A sense of community is important in Judaism if one is to practice that religion.

I don't find talking about the future uncomfortable. What I do find uncomfortable is interacting with people who claim to know all there is to know about New Age or who deny there is such a thing. It requires much patience. Even Constance knows she doesn't know all there is to know. If she did, she would never buy another book or read another web page.
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to Anon. 12:31

I've made no claims to know all there is to know about the new age--nor do I desire to do so. Re the Bailey writings--you missed some. I don't have the books available as I write, but check the index for initiation number 9 or look for the initiation of refusal. I assure you it is there and quite threatening. Her writings also identify that 666 is the number for initiation. Check the index for Shamballa.

We know from the Hubbard writings that the number for initiation is 666. Hubbard says that in the negative light, it may be viewed as a tool used by an evil dictator. In the positive, it may be viewed as liberation tool. My questions to you have mainly been an attempt to find on which side of the fence are you? It would appear by your post that you view it negatively.
Constance you might want to turn your comments post verification back on because you're getting blogger spam. I ran across it twice while trying to make sense of the debate going on in here.

Oh, check this cartoon out that I found about some words Solana made back in '04. "Like it or not"
Rich, all of the Bailey books are on line at the one link I gave you. There is even an index. I have a few in hardbound and maybe ten (never counted them) in paper, including some old editions, which is how I know the Lucis Trust people drop sections.

Are you sure Barbara Marx Hubbard talked about 666 as an initiation number. I didn't see it in her book Revelation. If you do a google, it's easy to get confused. The excerpts don't make a distinction between the title of her book and the Revelations in the Bible.

I really don't think it's up to me to find the New Age spot that correlates with the Bible, both saying that an individual must take the mark of the beast as an initiation. That's the supposition of others. For me it's enough that New Age has been tied to the occult for the past 100 plus years.

Here's tidbit for you: Hitler quoted Giordano Bruno, showing that his occult beliefs went deeper than the perception of the occult organizations of his time. I didn't find this on my own, I learned of it from a book I just read on Hitler by a professor. I may write something on this book later. Itsimilar to the level that Solana's family was into. Example: I would make a guess that 95 percent of the people who frequent New Age bookstores do not know what Bruno's beliefs were or when he lived or why it's important to know.
To Anon 6:53

I had a vast collection of new age books several years back when I lived in the Twin Cities but I gave most of them away, including the Bailey books. I needed to take a break from reading anything new age for awhile. When I gathered the literature, I found myself focused mostly on the genocide aspect. For whatever reason, the Lord has put that interest in me. I cannot explain it because it is the aspect of prophecy that I find most repulsive and frightening. However, I do understand why I have been given that knowledge. I prayed several years back that the Lord redirect my attention to the genocide when He wanted me to once again focus attention in that area. About four weeks ago that I found this web site—I thought by accident. It was about 2 weeks ago that Constance brought to our attention the Alliance of Civilizations. I no longer think it was by accident.

To answer your questions: I believe the initiation of refusal (referred to as initiation number 9) is in “The Rays and Initiations” toward the end of the book. I cannot tell you exactly where. If you cannot find it, when I get to the Twin Cities next month I’ll purchase a new copy and find it for you. Perhaps Constance may be willing to post its location.

Regarding Hubbard’s "Revelation", I suspect you may not find the piece of writing I referenced. I have not read a bookstore copy and do not know if that piece was put in the final version. When I purchased the book, it was being sold as a non published manuscript made available to interested parties, i.e., new agers. I was able to speak new age well enough to obtain a copy. If you have a recent copy, look for her channeled interpretation on Revelation 13. The unedited version goes something like this:

Out of the full spectrum of human personality, 1/4 are about to transcend. One fourth are ready to so choose given the example of one other. Etc. etc. Guess what happens to the other 1/2? I no longer have the book to quote directly as I mailed it to Constance with hopes that she could put it to good use. I will need to rely on her to verify that what I tell you is truth should she find that necessary.
Does anyone out there listen to Michael Savage? I listened to him on my way home from work this evening and guess whos name came up--and not in such a positive light. None other than Javier Solana. He mispronounced Solana's name, but made reference to Solana and Bill Clinton laughing at how they duped the masses regarding Kosovo. Just thought I'd pass this one along.
Tonight 'the invisible man' (Solana) has the following hits using moderate filtering:

Results 1 - 10 of about 5,540,000 for "Javier Solana". (0.10 seconds)
You can probably find the Alice Bailey references free and on line. Here's a direct link to it - oh and be sure to archive it -- they play this lovely little game of 'now you see us, now you don't!':
To clarify the Alice Bailey links, that was for the benefit of the erudite Minnesota correspondent who helped us out by telling about the "initiation of refusal." I profoundly thank him for the research and remembrance!!!!
Rich, here we are in agreement. Constance made some aware of the population reduction movement early on. Anyone can put "population reduction" into a search and get a lot of links, many of which are disinformation, others are solid proof that there is some planning in the works.

Two of the methods are already in action, abortion and euthanasia. I don't think they plan the method will be as crude as happened in Nazi Germany.

The problem is when people get power, they tend to stop thinking they need to respect those who think differently even though these people act legally.

Here's a bio for Barbara Marx Hubbard. It's impressive.
Her book, The Revelation (1995) had three sections: passages from the New Testament,particularly Revelation, her commentary and whatever "higher voice" she was channeling. Her channel told her he was Jesus Christ. I don't have my original copy, but I remember finding the words, which chilled me..."Your will and God's will are one. What you will destroy you will destroy in God's name."

From her book of Co-Creation
And, New Age author, Barbara Marx Hubbard, writing in her book, "The Book of Co-Creation", states, "Out of the full spectrum of the human personality, one-fourth is elected to transcend and one-fourth are destructive, defective seeds. In the past, they were permitted to die a natural death. Now, as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human -- the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers -- the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body. Fortunately, you are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God's selection process for planet Earth. He selects -- we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death."

Now it's easy without seeing the book to think it's just some kind of scam. If you see it thru the library, you will get a chilling feel as you read it. It promises the reader that he/she can become the most perfect loving being, a god-like co-creator with Christ if only they understand all is for the best.

If you can imagine the story of the temptation of Jesus by Satan spread out over 351 pages, that's what the book The Revelation is. Only Hubbard accepts.

Rich, thanks for bringing up the topic.
Thank you Constance for posting the Bailey "initiation of refusal" site, you saved me some money. FYI, I used to live in St. Paul Minnesota but I have since moved to Medford, WI. From a huge population to one of about 3500 people and I love it! Thanks for being here.
In the topsy-turvy world of the occult, where the name "Christ" is used to used to describe some sort of ascended master demon, and where the word "evil" is used to describe the holy, the Initiation of Refusal must be read carefully to understand its meaning.

If so, you will see that it is not meant to kill off Christians and Jews, it is the last step on the path of those who have gone thru the various initiations on the path to become one with those who are the followers of Bailey-type material. It describes tempting an initiate who feels the pull of God to not completely give up his soul and stay in the flesh. That soul could still be lost to the opposition, God.

This initiation is equivalent to "selling one's soul to the devil." Here we come to what is politely described in New Age material as a potential walk-in, or in better words, a soul lost to "full possession." The initiate is being tempted to give up his soul and let something, probably an "ascended master" walk-in to take possession of the body to fulfill their work of changing the world.

We tend to think of temptation as a casual thing with no consequences. Temptation to use a swear word. Temptation to look at an X rated moved. Temptation to say something nasty. Try replacing the word temptation with the word seduction and it has a stronger feel. Temptation or seduction toward evil is a very slippery slope, use of which is a fully developed skill, both here on earth and in the supernatural world.

Understand what temptation is, but stay far far away for even a saint can be tempted to destruction.
Did anyone else read that ad Google placed at the top of Constance's blog? Somehow they see the EU as a leaderless superpower, run by committee, with no mention of Javier Solana. is the Herbert Armstrong ministry. Somehow they know all of these political thngs, but Solana remains invisible. They talk about the potential leader of the EU being a "man of religion." Is someone going to do a Milosevic on Solana?
Joke of the day - Javier Solana for Mayor (of Madrid) -- now that's a cause I could support!

Read all about it here:
Herb Peters commented on "Solana for Mayor of Madrid" at the Fulfilled Prophecy website, which can be linked to at the first page. His comments are interesting.
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I don’t believe that I have misinterpeted the initiation of refusal—especially as I consider double meanings found in esoteric writings. This passage has a very familiar sound. Read David Spanger’s words from “Revelation: The Birth of a New Age” then compare them to the words in the Bailey writings.

With the transference of life energy from the thought-form of the old world to the thought-form of the new one, the old world now exists only as a disintegrating world memory. Those who stand on it for support find that it is becoming like shifting sand, unstable, confusing, filled with stress. Yet they cannot reach up and out in consciousness to attain and stand on the rock of the new world. It would not be without precedence for them to be withdrawn into the inner worlds, to live in an “upstairs” room which would reflect the needs of their consciousnesses and minister to those needs. In other words, the planet or plane or level to which they will go, through the law of attraction, may not be “somewhere else.” It may be another level of Earth’s own consciousness where they can be contained and ministered to until such time as they can be released safely into physical embodiment again.

Did you catch that last sentence? This is clearly a reference to the killing.
Submitted by RichInMedford
Rich, I am not going to comment because you mentioned mid-terms. I don't know if you are a student or teacher. The challenge of the discussion for both of us is great, but I don't want to feel responsible for messing up what you announced you must spend time on.

Practically speaking, when will you be free to carry on the dialogue?
Dear Anon.
I'm what they consider a non-traditional student as I am one of the older people on campus. I work full time and go to college part time. I'll be very busy until the mid part of next week. Thanks for being so considerate.
Here's a link that tells the reader one need not accept, and so allow, the usual doomsday prophecies to happen. Instead, since the Earth will soon become fourth-dimensional, the only prophecy that cannot be stopped is the one from the Lightened Realms, I think it was called. Incidently, it reveals the Bible is really written by that evil Satan and so why would the prophecy in it not come about, since it contains his warplans? Also, the article tells us that the Israelis of the Bible are not chosen for anything. In fact, they usurped the place of God's people the Sumerians. But soon all will be well, because Esu (Jesus) will take us to the Pleides (heaven).

The usual doomsday prophecies foretell us of exactly "The Plan" that the new age literature has laid out. Why not believe them since they are so right on target? If the weather forecaster announces a storm warning and you look outside and see the sky is very dark, wouldn't you be inclined to beieve it?
fourwindscom Mission statement is a doozy. (Does that word date me? LOL)
"2. To reveal to the world’s people that Creator God Aton of Light also has a Plan 2000. God Aton and His Forces of Light will not do it for us but will work with us, as we responsibly confront evil in our day and change the “ending of the play.”"

Commander Hatonn, who is referenced on that page, is someone from outer space who is circling in a UFO, sending messages down to these people telling them what's going to happen to the earth.
"Hatton, of the Intergalactic Fleet of Ashtar Command, purportedly keeps an inordinant eye on our global affairs from his orbiting ship. Not your typical "channeled entity," his messages arrived via a special military channel that was received by 60-ish grandmother Doris Ecker and then made available in George Green's right-wing Phoenix Liberator publication. The alleged Hatton material includes conspiratorial rants about the New World Order with an anti-Semitic flavor, such as claims that the Holocaust was a hoax. When Ecker was accused of plagiarizing William Cooper's paranoic tome, Behold a Pale Horse, word for word in some of Hatton's messages, a rift in the group took place. Now Green's wife Desiree claims to be in constant contact with Hatton as well. A judge ruled in a recent court case (in which the Greens fought with Ecker over $400,000 in gold donated to the Hatton cause) that it should be returned to the "devotee," a retired mathematics professor. However you slice the pie, supposed extraterrestrial Hatton's propaganda smells decidedly home-grown."

I picked up several copies of the Phoenix Journal (newspaper) many years ago. Read the mission statement linked to above for an extreme example of creative writing from scratch, but make sure your eyes don't roll out of your head.
When I posted the link to great dreams, I should have added "You are continuing your journey into the world of New Age cults by going here." Another term might be voluntary disinformation. These cults siphon off people looking for more information on the cultural changes taking place, make a buck and make real research look looney. Wading thru the swamps of information on one-worlders, the Kennedy Assassination, UFOs, LaRouche, right vs left, etc. is just as distracting as spending too much time wondering what Paris Hilton is doing.
To Anon 2:48
Do you supposed the antichrist will be wearing a space suit when he introduces the beast?
Interesting pieces related to Constance’s initial post:

“The EU Foreign Policy Coordinator told the press that they discussed measures to ensure that “religious symbols can be protected.” He said: “Such steps could materialise through various mechanisms, maybe inside the new human rights commission created in the UN.”

“…as much a coincidence as last week’s common declaration signed by EU Foreign Policy Coordinator Javier Solana, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the Secretary-General of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC). The three men pledged to rewrite the UN Human Rights Charter to “protect the sanctity of religions and the prophets.”
Allah Conquers the United Nations

“…But Arbour also cautioned against complacency. "Adoption of the text is extremely important, but it is only the beginning", she said. "Fulfilling the promise of the Council will require a change of culture as much as institutional transformation." “
UN high commissioner salutes creation of Human Rights Council

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Rich, these are New Age believers. They don't use space suits. Their anti-Christ is what is what is against the God they believe in. They sell their anti-Christ belief as something they say is in people that would oppose the beliefs they are selling. Kind of like what might be called an internal devil that fights people who oppose their system.
Hi all, this may be old news but has anyone else heard of this individual being tied to Javier Solana?

The links suggest this person could be a possible False Prophet since both men share the same birth year and last name (MARADIAGA). I'm not sure but do Spanish people keep their mothers maiden name? Could it be these men are cousins just as Jesus and John the Baptist were cousins?
Please let me know if this information is at all related.
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To Anonymous 2:59
I've never read that doctrine quite like that before. It's one of the more unusual ones--I'll give them credit for imagination.
Javier Solana's grandfather's last name was de MADARIAGA. The other person is MARADIAGA. Thery are similar, but very different.
And back here in the USA, the New Age Movement, apostate Christianity, et al, I urge people to look at this website which I discovered. I have been perturbed about Christian consorting with Rev. Moon since I discovered same at the end of 1983. It IS STILL HAPPENING -- and those doing it seem to have lots of trouble seeing what is happening with Senor Solana. Please view this website
Ah, Gyorges Ceres Hatonn, "Commander of the Intergalactic Space Fleet" who in true New Age fashion opens several of those American West published book (same as publisher of Committee of 300)by an alleged John Coleman (Larry Abraham told me in 1986 that this was Eustace Mullins writing under a nom de plume and I believe it!) At any rate, I do suspect also that Commander Hatonn was/is definitely Eustace Mullins writing under the nom de plume. His vanity shows forth so obviously, as he lectures, Chelas, I told you Eustace Mullins was the greatest expert on the Federal Reserve . . John Coleman knows a lot, but Eustace Mullins is the greatest . . . TALK ABOUT SOCK PUPPETS! I have received excellent confirmation since 1989 that Tal Brooke of Spiritual Counterfeits Project puts much stock in Eustace Mullins and other viciously anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic writers. Too many who perceive themselves as "Christian Patriots" have taken this New Age disciple of prior generation Theosophical Society/New Age cum Fascist king Ezra Pound as gospel. As the scriptures say, NEITHER TO THE RIGHT HAND, NOR TO THE LEFT, BUT STRICTLY IN THE PATHS OF THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Left something out of the last angry post and that was that the Hatonn books open in true New Age fashion, 'WELCOME CHELAS' -- then they such these poor 'Christian Patriots' into ordering their various meditational tapes as well as emergency food supplies. As I read the Book of Revelation, it plainly said, "they overcame the beast by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of their testimony and they loved not their lives unto the death." It said nothing about a year's supply of rations, or as Gary North put it "gun, gold, and groceries" or a bigger and better RV. Those selling Christian patriots Eustace Mullins, John Coleman, and yes, Gyorges Ceres Hatonn books are New Agers trying to enrich their coffers by selling to Christian suckers and simultaneously supplying them with the very same materials and attitudes that could later get us branded as dangerous. BEWARE!
Apologize for the sloppy proofreading on last posts -- you may assume the remarks about Hatonn should have been in the quotation marks that are missing. Needless to say, it is not Christian literature and it is viciously anti-Jewish and is to be avoided by those who aim to please God!
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I thought I had heard the name Madariaga before Javier Solarna, and yes, the Spanish do use their mother's names.

I know that my own surname has several different spellings, as do most people in the West, but it can be traced back originally to the same family, so I would imagine there would be some connection between these two men.

Pardon me, but did I understand correctly that postings here are making out that the Roman Catholic church were some sort of good guys during the Second World War.

If anybody believes that, then they should read about the Odessa organisation, which smuggled out many SS wanted men after the war, including Mengala, and housed them in Monastries sheltered by the Catholic heirarcy, merely on the basis that these men had links to Catholicism. Also their links to Argentina and the Perons who were hand in glove with the Vatican.

In fact, there were many people who believed, and still do, that the Pope should also have been put on trial as a war criminal.

Sorry if this offends any Catholics, but then again, if you want to walk around with your head in the sand regarding the true nature of the goings on of the Catholic Church then I am not. Check it out!
The name Madiriaga or similar spellings appears to originate with the Basque people.

The Basques are believed to have lived in the Middle East prior to migrating to Spain and elsewhere, and the only language that experts appear to see a link to is Sumerian e.g. the word Mari which was the name of their Goddess and has many counterparts in the Sumerian language. Other than that, they are a mystery.

If anybody has found any other links with this name it would be interesting to know about them.
9:32 pm
Be very careful as one of the goals of New Agers is turn the monotheistic religions against each other. For balance try also reading material from the Catholic point of view. Here's an example:
There have been books showing how Catholics in general and Catholic priests were persecuted and recently a rabbi wrote a book defending Pope Pius Xll.

Do remember that Hitler was killing off the Jews first because they were the smaller group, and it was in his plans to kill off Christians after he won the war because he was developing a New Age community with his new race.

Jewish leadership tried to placate the Nazis in much the same way as Catholic leadership did. It's the level at which diplomacy works. Very, very few people are willing to take a stand against what is considered by the Bible as evil. Right now where are the religious groups who are seriously fighting the New Age movement. It's a repeat of the 20s and 30s.

Do also keep in mind that the Nazi movement and its followers did not disappear when the Nazis lost the war. America should be condemned for all of the Nazis it brought over and put in our schools and intelligence services.
Far be it for me to try to turn monotheistic religions against each other, and I would acknowledge that there has always been individuals in all faiths who have done heroic deeds, yet if you read further you would find that the Catholic Church are also prepared to embrace the New World Order, as I am sure, there will be many Protestant churches prepared to do the same.

It will be certain individuals from all these churches who are not prepared to go along with the religion it will instal, who will be the ones to stand out and suffer persecution for their faith.
Many thanks to you Constance for catching the spelling difference and to Anonymous for the explanation on Spanish names as it relates to "MADARIAGA" and to MARADIAGA.

I just thought it was interesting to see some people are trying to connect the dots with the entire evil trinity rather than just focus on a possible antichrist contender. I look forward to Constance next book to address some of these issues.

I was once a Catholic so I know that it can be hard to confront your own history. You must do your own research as I did and only then will you have a balanced perspective. I used a public library and multiple resources from Catholic and Protestant perspectives. This was before we had the Internet. The truth is self-evident.

I had to confront family, friend’s educators and clergy but in the end I won their respect for the work I had completed. I learned not to trust the institutions of man or their traditions but to stand on the word of God and my personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

The Catholic Church has produced great men and women of faith despite itself. This speaks to the power of God not the power of man-made institutions to change the human heart.

In terms of things eschatological it makes sense to me that when the antichrist comes to power he will use an existing religious network to affect his goals. Since the Roman Catholic Church has a worldwide system in place it would be the perfect target for a take over.

Just as our computers can be infected by a virus that destroys and entire network so too will Satan infiltrate an existing religious system to affect his goals. Why build the entire infrastructure when all you need is the delivery system?

For me it was very exciting to see some people were looking at the Catholic Church as the place from where the false prophet may rise. With all due respect to Catholics this is not meant to be a slight against you. It’s just that the Protestant movement did not develop a similar ecclesial hierarchy.

Then again it could be a new age group or even an Islamic off shoot that births the false prophet. We will have to see but I don’t think we will have to wait too long.

In our time it just makes logical sense to connect Roman Catholicism with the power of the E.U. if in fact the antichrist comes out of the E.U.

If the antichrist came out of the Arab nations then I would look to the Imam of Mecca.

If the antichrist came out of the United States I would look to a prominent theological university or National protestant association leader.

This may be poor reasoning but it would seem to me that the antichrist would use a local prophet to promote himself just as Jesus and John the Baptist were in the same general vicinity.

My money is on the Roman Catholic church since it has had such a tumultuous history already and since it is so autocratic and since that is where the nations of the world are presently trying to build a new world order.

But hey, I could be wrong I mean every Christian generation since the first century AD has been looking for these things to flesh themselves out.
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Interesting posting. You are reminding me of when I was speaking to an Irish woman at the Church I go to who had once been a devoted Roman Catholic and had then become a born again believer. Apparently, when she went to the priest and told him this, he was horrified and she was eventually thrown out of the Church.

It was then that she did research into the Roman Catholic church and discovered the occult symbolism it uses. I wish I had had more time to talk with her but she mentioned that the rosary is something to do with the Crusades and it was adopted from the Muslims. There was also a connection to Isis, and so it went on. I told her she should maybe write a book.

The last I heard is that the European Union is forming its own religion and that the Roman Catholic church would go along with this new church and it appears to be some sort of amalgam of beliefs, probably incorporating the New Age stuff as well.

It would not be hard to believe that various denominations would go along with this, given how so many of them are willing to go against homosexual teaching of the Bible in order to be politically correct and not offend anyone. I can see them eventually just changing the words of the Bible or leaving out anything that might offend. It is not the fault of the people, it is the leadership where all this comes from. I think so many of them have been won over by the world, their religion has become comfortable and in a lot of cases, very lucrative, and it has become a case of the blind leading the blind.
There is also something called the Earth Charter that is the promotion of the UN One World Order people.

There is an article by William F Jasper entitled The New World Order Religion if anybody is interested, although this is a simplification of what it would entail.
Just as a matter of interest if anybody knows the answer. I have read who the mother of Javier Solana is and who his grandfather was, but who is the father of Javier Solana?
"But we have been travelling fast, ever since we started.
ESDP is Europe's response to today's strategic environment. The contours of that environment are
by now familiar. It is the panorama of failing states, proliferation and organised crime. Of old-style
regional conflicts and fights over scarce resources, combined with new threats such as Avian flu
and people-trafficking. Of non-state actors, such as terrorist networks, criminal gangs or Janjaweedstyle
Solana in his nice speech at:

dialogue of cultures
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