Tuesday, November 01, 2005

UMC Cleans House?

The United Methodist Church Cleans House
Setback for Apostasy

Yesterday, the United Methodist Church’s Supreme Court defrocked a lesbian minister. It also reinstated a minister defrocked for denying membership in his congregation to a practicing homosexual. It was between two bookstores, both close to my downtown Detroit law offices in the Year of Our Lord 1981, that I discovered the first ugly traces of the New Age Movement. One bookstore, in my building, was the Doubleday one located in the Penobscot Building. The other bookstore was across Larned Street facing the Penobscot Building where my offices were then. The bookstore was “Cokesbury Books.” It was operated by the United Methodist Church. I purchased my first copy of The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ there. I looked for that book because of a happy reference to it by author Marilyn Ferguson in her 1980 book, THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY. She has just released a new book which I shall be reviewing here soon called AQUARIUS NOW. Looking at the references she found gladdening and I found distressing in THE AQUARIAN GOSPEL, I knew I had stumbled onto very direct evidences of a movement clearly designed to advance the path and progress of the antichrist.

I would eventually write a book about my findings. That book which stayed in print for over 20 years was called THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW. I soon found I had support from just about segments of every denomination including the United Methodist Church. I also had opposition from segments of just about every denomination including the United Methodist Church.

My assistant, Ezella, has been reorganizing my office materials on the New Age Movement in the wake of the University of Michigan’s Bentley Historical Library’s archival of my papers. As part of her search, this weekend, I rediscovered and replayed the tapes of Marilyn Ferguson’s lengthy talk at Detroit’s Unity Church. I heard them before – in 1981. I heard her speak personally there in 1982. I was eventually to meet and talk with her on several occasions. Her talks have been considerably toned down since she discovered there was opposition to the movement she so enthusiastically and energetically promoted with vivid detail. She had talked happily in 1981 about the New Age’s incursions into the military (Jim Channon and his First Earth Battalion), education, religion, and she called not so subtly for a war against fundamentalists such as Jerry Falwell. (Maybe she did not know about Falwell’s own now very public apostatizing with the New Agers vis a vis Rev. Moon and Unification Church – also a powerful arm of the New Age Movement.)

When I found the shocking materials in the Cokesbury bookstore in Detroit in 1981, I would show them with shocked looks to the manager. She would reassuringly say, “I know, honey, but its all the young ministers seem to want anymore.” The apostasy in the United Methodist Church raged to the extent that some of its bookstores were actually carrying as “Christian literature” Benjamin Crème’s THE REAPPEARANCE OF THE CHRIST and David Spangler’s various books extolling such “virtues” as “Luciferian initiations.”

The United Presbyterian Church was facing similar crises and carrying similar literature on its tables. So were the Mennonites and too many Baptists. The Evangelicals were shamelessly promoting Jeremy Rifkin and as the very brilliantly written Herescope columns (referenced with a link on my blogspot) show, they were bringing New Age thought leaders such as Willis Harman (Marilyn Ferguson’s personal mentor) into to advise revising of Evangelical thinking for the expected “new era.”

Then we came along and upset their little apple carts. They responded by marginalizing yours truly and all others honestly reporting on the issues as “promoting a Conspiracy Theory.” Then they worked to blackball all honest reporters from their midst. In evangelical circles, this came to one ugly head in October 1987 when a secret conference was held between New Age leaders and Evangelical leaders at the New Age Gold Lake Ranch conference center at Boulder, Colorado. The meeting was convened by Doug Coe of Washington’s Fellowship Foundation supposedly because he had children involved with the New Age Movement and thought there should be better understanding between Christian parents and New Age leaders. Denver Seminary personnel such as Dr. Gordon Lewis were in attendance. So were people from Dallas Seminary and Spiritual Counterfeits Project of Berkeley, California. A vow of silence was exacted from all participants. The evangelicals kept their vows. Fortunately for all, the New Agers did not. David Spangler gave a speech about the doings immediately after – at Boulder’s Episcopalian Church. Local Christians sensitized to the New Age Movement and related Christian apostasies were in attendance and promptly mailed me Spangler’s tapes. The cat was out of the bag.

The battle has continued to rage and the apostasy spread even to the sanctification of homosexuality in Christian circles. The Presbyterians, the Methodists, and even Evangelical Lutherans were effected. The Catholics began to clean house with varying results. The Episcopalians ordained an openly “gay” bishop living with his “partner” in an open “gay lifestyle” arrangement. Shocked African Anglicans broke communion with their denomination until condemnation of the U.S.A. and Canadian practitioners take place, if ever.

Yesterday and happily, God won a round in the United Methodist Church. A state of Virginia minister had been defrocked for denying fellowship to a practicing homosexual. He appealed upwards in the church judicial process. A practicing lesbian minister had been ordained. That also was appealed by those unhappy about this last insult to plain Scriptural warnings of what should not be found among us. The Supreme Court of the United Methodist Church has reinstated the Virginia minister. It has defrocked the lesbian minister.

Onwards and upwards. Occupy till he gets here! But yesterday and happily at least one small blow was struck for righteousness. Congratulations to the United Methodist Church. This is not to say that God does not love sinners. He does – enough to send his son to die for their salvation. This is only to say that God does not condone sin – much less the desecration of his houses of worship.

There is an interesting Revelation prophecy concerning the “inner:” and the “outer court” of the sanctuary. The outer court was to be left out as it was given over to the gentiles for 42 months – the time of the reign of the antichrist. Congratulations to the Methodists for relocating to the inner court.
In your research and writings exposing the New Age, have you ever explored the New Age - Masonic connection? Quite literally, the New Age was "mid-wifed", or spawned from Freemasonry. This is a further hidden layer of the New Age mystery, and is critical to an accurate perception and comprehension of the purpose of New Age social engineering.

Here is an excellent article providing a very clear and focused outline of the role of Freemasonry in preparing for and bringing forth the New Age project. Very, very insightful.

Yes there are Masonic emulations and Masonic connections; HOWEVER, and unfortunately, much of that body of literature came from practicing occultists themselves, such as Nesta Webster and Lady Jane Queensborough, which makes its credibility supect. The Masonic element had much to do with Christian persecution in Mexico particularly between 1926 and 1935.
Well, Tronicus, I just peeked at that site and recognized that my book, THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW, or a book derived from it had to be a major resource utilized by its author. I was the original Christian author on the subject of the New Age Movement, and this material clearly appears to be derived from my research on Alice Bailey and Blavatsky. I am glad that we got the word out to the extent that people are trying to warn me of what I have been warning them! Thanks for the lead.
Why does Catholicism advance homosexuality by allowing known homosexuals to be their spiritual leaders?
In response to last question, it is my understanding that the new pope issued a blanket ban on homosexuals being Catholic priests and then later said that if they could prove celibacy for three years (among those not yet ordained, not as to existing priests for which it was forbidden), that they could be considered.
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Thanks for this history lesson, Mrs. Cumbey. Reading your site, the Slice of Laodicea site and listening to Ingrid on WVCY radio leads me to believe we are in the throes of the, "great falling away." Thanks for your contribution to informing the Church. God bless you.
And A Link Back To Your Web Site Excite You?
Nice to hear there is hope for Methodists. Now if only the Episcopalians would get on board
Be prepared for the next hurricane job or find another one that's similar. As the Boy Scouts say: "Be Prepared"!
I love this blog you got here. I run a movie review website and need people to do movie reviews.Movie Reviews. Thanks...sorry to be self promoting..at least you get some fresh text content.
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Back to the original question from Tronicus:

I spent almost 12 years in the New Age movement (am saved now) and one of the primary sources of information that drew me into it was a magazine published by Scottish Rite Freemasonry called "The New Age". I don't know if its still in print or not, but I always assummed the Masons were definitely the "midwives"... at least to me they were!

But I might add here that THE first source of information that opened by eyes to the New Age was Constance Cumbey's own book "Hidden Dangers..", and that's where I began my journey to Christ. So, they midwifed, but Constance delivered.

Praise the Lord for Constance!
Many thanks to "Sillie Lizzie" -- tonight I especially needed the encouragement!
Yes, but who conceived?
hey JM;
Consider what source of inspiration encourages names of blasphemy:
Regarding Freemasonry and New Age, put the words without the quote marks "Foster Bailey Freemasonry" into Google. A large list of links will come up. Foster Baley was the husband of Alice Bailey, author of occult channeled works published by Lucis Trust. He wrote a book called The Spirit of Masonry. Foster's works are much more specific about the direction of Lucis Trust than Alice's are.

There is a saying that a person might not see the forest because they are looking at the trees. When a person concentrates on each individual aspect of a situation, they may not get the overall situation. The reverse also works. Sometimes a person can get an overall picture but may have a problem trying to sort out the individual trees.

Sometimes a forest is scattered over such a large area it becomes difficult to find all of the trees of a certain kind in the forest. I think it is that way with Freemasonry and New Age. When you try to see Masonry's hand in what is happening today, now, it is difficult. It is much easier to go into a New Age bookstore or go to Whole Again on the net to see a larger New Age pattern. Trying to find Freemasonry's affect on society today is difficult. The one to one material is not out in the open.

The term New Age goes back to the early 1900s when the movement was first started. Outside of the Masons, there was another publication called New Age more closely tied to the Theosophical Society. The overall movement failed because of Hitler's connection, but it was revived in the late 1970. I have a few copies of the early issue of the Masonic publication. Then there is Foster Bailey's book. I also have a book written for young people by a Masonic writer asking them to join in the New Age movement. Then there is another book that I found in a New Age bookstore saying it is time the Masons acknowledged their role in New Age and recommended the Bailey material. However because one author says this, it doesn't prove the organization supports New Age even though the Masonic movement has occult rituals and is antisemitic, just as New Age is.

It's easier to write material for the general public than for academics. Academics want an author to find much more in the way of detailed connections, which in the case of Freemasonry and New Age is difficult as both are secretive operationss that don't provide much information for the general public. If you try to find a history of Lucis Trust, which started in the 1920s, it isn't going to be there. The clamor isn't loud enough for them even to put out a disguised history. The Theosophical Society, precursor to Lucis Trust, has put out disguised history material, but it tells little outside of vague names, places and dates. The bottom line to this is that there is obviously a connection, but to find researched material to present to a skeptic is difficult, if not impossible.

The general public waits around for others to do their research for them. Whoever gets to them with a lot of watered and fat baloney will get their ear. Then if someone tries to tell them it's watered, fat baloney, they are so entrenched in what they believe that it takes a earthquake to disloge them from what the ideas they have accepted of their own free will. My experience is that when they realize that there is a conflict between their deeper held beliefs and the new ideas they have come to accept and that they cannot serve two masters, then the landscape changes after that mental earthquake. That seems to have happened to you. I'm glad you found Constance's book.
Here is what I found under one of the links at Google's "foster bailey freemasonry" sites.

Until 1985 The Scottish Rite Journal published by the Mother Supreme Council of the World--The Supreme Council of the Thirty-Third and Last Degree of Masonry was called the New Age Magazine until adverse publicity forced them to change their name.
Whoever is here, listen carefully. There has been infiltration into the monotheistic religions and you really should not trust people who call themselves Christian or Jewish leaders just because they use their links to Christianity or Judaism. Everytime go back to the commandments and ask yourself whether their views contradict the commandments.

Everyone has weaknesses, but if they violate and then justify one of the breaking of the commandments, you know you have a problem child on your hands. If you are Jewish, look at the 613 commandments. Christians need only look at the 10 commandments.

If anyone suggests to you that violating the commandments is no problem, then turn to those who understand the importance of the commandments for a deeper awareness.

Don't look to other ideologies to tell you how to relate to others. I know how strange it sounds. Everyone wants to think they are up to date with modern thinking. There is no physical proof that there is God who leads our moral path. We can only see a shadow which has given us a moral path which clears away the debris before us. How strange that over thousands of years, thru scientific advances, thru governmental changes, the commandments, if followed, lead to a better end for individuals.

It is these commandments that the New Age leaders would violate and destroy.
Hey Constance:

Glad to see you are still going at it. Just found your website today. I am from Detroit and first heard you in the early 80's on WRIF FM in a interview that included Benjamin Creme. As a teenager raised Lutheran, your message really startled me. Years later I was given a copy of your book "Hidden Dangers" from a co-worker. Your book actually peaked my curiousity about the New Age Movement, and I then began reading Creme's "Reappearance of the Christ", Spangler's book, and then several of the Bailey books. By reading both sides of this debate it has furthered my understanding of the occult. I'm sure this was not your intention, but I do appreciate your work. Today I'm probably what you would refer to as a New Age Christian. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, but have a spiritual practice that involves meditation and Eastern and Occult studies. Not sure if you will allow this post, but it was written with sincerity. Blessings, James
James you cannot have a personal relationship with both. You are fooling yourself, but you are not fooling Jesus.
James, I would suggest you get a copy of Inside the New Age Nightmare by Randall Baer. Baer was high in the New Age movement, having written very technical books on crystals which are still sold. He dropped out after having some very bizzare experiences. Just after that book came out, he died in an automobile accident.

When you mess around with your mind with some occult practices, it can get as bad as being on drugs or alcohol. We are to keep our minds as clear as possible.

You might want to put Spiritual emergency into a web search. At the above link go to the second paragraph under
Transpersonal Perspectives on Spiritual Emergencies. Since you probably wouldn't look at a Christian site, you might look at this one which is academic.

I do remember reading a study which showed that those who went into meditative states often in a short period of time had much trouble getting back to a normal state which could be called clear thinking (nothing to do with Scientology).

Experimenting with the things on the other side of the veil may seem like fun, but there can be a price to pay in the long run.
The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity.

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros' 'light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16.

The last anonymous, this may be the explanation you were seeking. We are dealing with a lot of speculation based on legends and translations. When Alice Bailey and company named their publishing house Lucifer Trust, they knew what connotation the word had at that time. It certainly was not a connection with the Christian view of Christ which is what you seem to be implying.






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