Tuesday, August 13, 2013
California's newest "Protection" law - California gender identity protection bill 2013 - Ultimate depths of degradation?
California Governor Jerry Brown has just signed into law a most preposterous bill -- a bill that to my trained legal eye looks like the ultimate in child abuse itself -- billed as one to "protect transgendered children" (or those perceiving themselves as same). The bill currently endangers all others and those allegedlly "transgendered" children themselves who more likely than not are the victims of the childhood exploiters who would convince highly suggestible children that they are something other than the good Lord above packaged them. Now your little girls must share gym facilites and restrooms with little boys who suddenly proclaim themselves as little girls despite their outward genitalia. Your little boys must likewise share with little girls who do likewise. And California law passed last year prohibits parents from seeking counseling for their children against this unseemly suggestibility! And they have the nerve to call it "progressive"!
Read the ugly law, Assembly Bill 1266, now enacted and signed by California Governor Jerry Brown by pressing here.
Under this new abomination passing itself off as "law," if your little boy, even a kindergartner, wants to think of himself as a little girl, he must be allowed to use the little girls toilets and public restroom facilities. Ditto if your precious little girl wants to think of herself as a boy.
And should a California parent try to protect his or her precious little ones from the obvious psychological abuse from others of his child that has resulted in the child having these opinions that he (or she) is not as the good Lord created him to be, such counseling about the child's true "gender orientation" is illegal, too! Governor Jerry Brown signed that bill, California Senate Bill 1172 into law on September 30, 2012. It went into effect on January 1, 2013. You may read that bill as signed by the Governor in its ugly entirety by pressing here.
It is not hard to imagine a scenario -- probably undoubtedly existing -- where hordes of LGBT militant activists will be patrolling and spying on parents via New Age techniques of school homework "journaling" assignments to ferret out parents who dare defy or counsel their children.
How are California Christians responding? It is hard to tell which responses are honest Christian reactions and which are "emerging church" compromises? Here is one brochure issued for California Christian counselors. It's clearly compromised nature is personally distressing to the undersigned.
Jesus clearly warned as recorded in the Book of Matthew that it would be better for somebody to be hung around the neck with a millstone and drowned than to suffer the eternal fate of one causing a child to go astray. (Matthew 18:6) Isaiah clearly warned "woe to those who call evil good and good evil." (Isaiah 5:20-21).
I wonder if California Governor Jerry Brown still perceives of himself as a good Catholic Christian? I wonder how long until the President will applaud the California legislation? I wonder of the old hymn that goes "how long, Lord Jesus, how long, how long, till we sing the glad song, Christ returneth."
I can remember reading nothing in apocalyptic novels or end time movies that even remotedly approached the obvious wickedness in this legislation that under the guise of "protection" leaves our small children to the predations of the so-called "LGBT community".
May the Lord help us all. May the Holy Spirit impress upon those promoting these measures that their eternal bodies and souls may be at everlasting risk. There is still room and time for repentance, but maybe not much!
It is also catering to a sexism that the founders of feminism in the 1800s would have been appalled at.
They were for eliminating arbitrary assignment and enforcement of likes, dislikes, abilities, personalities, interests, based on the gender of the body.
This system affirms all that original feminism fought, it limits all these things to the "appropriate" gender, it just says that you can switch genders and be male or female regardless of your body (and later on maybe get an operation).
This also means, that those who have physical gender "inappropriate" inclinations like girls liking sports and not being interested in building their lives around male opinion or even peer opinion, can be pressured into thinking they are in the wrong body.
Since the act prohibits any counselling about sexual orientation, at least they can't be brainwashed into homosexuality or transgenderism by any official means,
but once these ideas are heavily ingrained in the other kids and teachers, the hints and social pressure will do a lot of this in advance.
The assumption will be drilled into them, that if they have opposite gender personalities and interests, then they "should" also have same sex erotic interest.
The irony of all this, is that the gay male is not always a fag, but often a he man jocker type who wrongly considers himself straight because he always plays the male role in sex with another man, and views it as an act of dominance, and the lesbians are not all butch dykes but often include very feminine women.
This whole thing is very sick. And both those who support it, and those who oppose it, are often working from wrong information and values to begin with.
Personality and interests have nothing inherently to do with sexual orientation. This kind of share the bathroom crap.
And sexual orientation is indeed a choice, after years of playing with ideas and feelings one should face down and reject if they turn up.
Meanwhile, idiot conservatives think to solve the problem and strengthen the kids against homosexual tendencies by making sure they play with the right kinds of toys for their gender and so forth, which has nothing whatsoever to do with all this.
I don't think you understand the California law! As I understand it, it bans "reparative" therapy for children -- i.e., children who are leaning or perceiving themselves "gay" can't be counseled against it.
The former prevents those who are tinkering with homosexual tendencies from being redirected, and the latter caters to the idea of transsexualism. It is the latter issue that I am addressing more, but the refusal to repair is couched in phrasing that is supportive of homosexuality as a lifestyle etc. and it is more harmful to let or make them feel bad about it than to let them go on.
This will for sure feed the attitude of its all okay.
The transsexual doesn't see him or herself as a homosexual, since their same sex object of attention is now, post the trannies operation, the opposite sex. This is plain delusionary fantasy thinking.
The support reading that is part of the law, whereas we find this and that and so forth is almost pure gay propaganda, and appeals to pity and so forth.
Obviously shaming methods that either drive this underground, or that make them feel once dirty always dirty and don't give examples of people who oppose sin in their own lives and control themselves and are blessed by God, are not going to do much good.
Yes I remember NAMBLA, and I remember something one of them said on camera when some news covered a march of theirs.
This creep said, that a lot of homosexuals only discover their potential and identity thanks to what regular society calls molestation.
Which, frankly, validates my suspicion, that gays who remember being gay from childhood, were probably being seduced (often molestation is less forcible rape than corruption with a touch of psychological coercion of one sort or another,) or being under some over stimulation by a person of the same sex whether they intended it consciously or not.
IT COULD ALSO BE USED TO PREVENT ANY KIND OF PRE OPERATIVE SUPPORT OR INVESTIGATION TO SEE IF THE PERSON "REALLY" IS TRANSSEXUAL,
and IT COULD BE USED to prevent the kind of therapy that is to make a gay or gay inclined or tranny inclined kid feel okay about all this.
Though it is not written this way, a smart lawyer or prosecutor MIGHT be able to exploit this to eliminate some support to gayness.
Get it interpreted as hands off their brains until 18, and it could undercut pro gay stuff a little.
If so it wouldn't be the first time a law was interpreted and applied in a way other than specifically written.
Expect to see other states follow suit, as we have with the gay marriage rulings. The agenda is to convince people that this is a matter of civil rights, when in fact it's a choice. Parents of children who are not transgender or gay or lesbian have no choice. They will be subjected to this sickness. It's time for parents to yank their kids out of public school in protest.
California is also using the Common Core Curriculum in schools.
Exposing children to gender issues is just brainwashing. In Texas they made girls put burkas on so they could understand what Muslim women with burkas are like. Adolescents are forced to role play that they are lesbians to sensitize them to homosexuality.
According to these Gender experts, gender and sexuality are not the same thing, so you can potentially have a male who thinks he's female, but is still attracted to women, sharing the bathroom with them. How sick is that?
This is an obvious attack on God's image because we are created in his image male and female, he created us. The LBGT lobby has been working tirelessly to destroy the Biblical identity and sexuality of males and females. It's pretty obvious who is really behind these efforts. The father of lies, who comes to rob, steal and destroy and he's trying to destroy our children.
Evil politicians who have no fear of God are going to pay for this one day, but right now parents have to really think about how to protect their children and make that a priority.
Actually, if it were done with a lecture about appreciate how free you are, you take so much for granted, now for an hour experience life as a woman (or as a member of some lower caste, or whatever) in a specific messed up land, this would be a good idea.
IF you read my article CAREFULLY, you would see that I laid out the TWO LAWS and gave full links to both.
And while the bathroom thing deals with the gnostic denial of reality and relevance of the body,
the no psychiatric anti gay efforts law is possibly something that COULD BE TURNED INTO A WEAPON AGAINST the gay movement.
here's how, like I said.
lift the age 18 focus out of context and apply it as implying no psychiatric sex orientation relevant efforts AT ALL until 18.
THAT MEANS, if a court buys it, that some kid seeking help in getting sex reassignment surgery cannot be evaluated before 18.
It was an 18 year old on a tranny board, who was being told by a tranny to tell the psychiatrist whatever it takes to get approved for the operation.
Now I don't know if this operation can be done before 18 in CA, but if it can, and since it always requires a psychiatric assessment first, this would slow the process down, maybe some would change their minds.
secondly, a bisexual kid could not receive psychiatric help in feeling good about being gay, any more than he or she could receive help to stabilize them as heterosexual. a gay kid could not get help in feeling good about being gay.
Probably some equal rights thing could be argued, to turn this into a law that would not help gays any more than it helps heterosexuals, by a little tweaking re application and interpretation.
Just think sneaky. like the stereotypical lawyer. you may be used to integrity but that isn't the image the legal profession has outside its own ranks.
I am deeply grieved and, at the same time, outraged at the stream of degenerate laws coming from a legislature full of deviants or deviancy supporters.
I am so saddened for our students
We now have a one-party system where one party has the majority in both houses. They can create and institute laws for almost anything they imagine - mostly sexual issues and new taxes.
I wrote the Governor twice and called once. If you ever see any of our local news, it's evident that some of these legislators are morally depraved.
How long will God put up with this? I pray the church becomes more visible and outspoken in demanding moral values.
Dave in CA
Another point: anyone who undergoes a sex change through surgical means really isn't changed. You can't change the chromosome pairings within our cells. Males have the XY pairing and females XX. If anyone can change someone on a cellular-level, then I suppose that would work. So far, the only one who can do that is God. People need to count their blessings instead of dwelling on things they don't have.
Gender identity therapy on children is useless. Use parental slap therapy instead. Don't know what that is? Well, you need to slap their parents in the head (in Jesus' name, of course) and tell them to stop raising their children with crazy notions. Now that's therapy!
Now, the separation of powers thing only works, as long as you don't have some organizational network (political party, secret society, whatever) of shared goals and an informal hierarchy outside the governmental hierarchy, whether this dead ends in a rich elite or in a cult leader)
WHOSE MEMBERS OCCUPY ALL THE SUPPOSEDLY SEPARATE POWER BLOCS.
But this is what we have had for a long time.
The first bill is truly a weapon FOR the LGBT community, hardly against it. If a parent suspects their child's "sexual orientation" is leaning towards other than how the good Lord equipped them, they MAY NOT seek professional help. Have you read the statute for yourself? It is a piece of LGBT propaganda in and of itself. Click on the link and read it in its entirety.
The second law clearly answered the questionable legal interpretation you advanced on the first. With little children getting the rights to decide whether they are little boys or little girls despite their outward genitalia, and parents not being free to seek counseling -- and the LGBT militants patrolling to enforce the law and its subjects -- our precious children -- this is a BLACK, BLACK day in California's history. Moreover, today, I learned that at least one Michigan community, Royal Oak, is considering similar things as a local ordinance.
How long until Judgment? I wonder if the proponents of this ever heard of it? I think things are much worse than anyone of us think.
The blogspot is named JEZEBEL. She said it, not me!
It is the tendency of parents and doctors, when a genitally ambiguous child is born, to quickly do surgery to settle the issue.
In Puerto Rico, when a boy lacks testicles, they just shrug it off and wait for puberty, when the testicles normally will descend, if they haven't done so already.
In the US, especially if the penis seems small, the boy is likely to be redesigned female. And some ambiguous females have probably been redesigned male.
This should be outlawed. This practice is no part of the LGBT agenda, it is part of the settle the issue and raise them clearly one way or another situation.
A true hermaphrodite, which is very rare (I think they got another term for it now) would be a reasonable object of an operation, to stabilize as one or the other. If I had to make such a decision, I would say, wait for the first wet dream, are there dead sperm under a microscope in the dried fluid on the sheets? If so, its male.
Does it menstruate? If so its female. Better yet, a DNA test. (I think there are some freaks who are DNA male but functionally female and fertile, and vice versa. Also the XXY and XYY crowd which should probably just be left alone.
If it is fully both sexes, and DNA doesn't resolve the matter, toss a coin. If it is fully both sexes, but the DNA is one sex, then operate to bring the body in line with the DNA.
Now, I suspect a FEW people who grew up feeling they were the opposite sex of their bodies, are the result of such operations where a mistake was made.
But most are just loony.
And of course, this whole thing fits nicely with the spiritual/occultic side of the New Age Movement. It can be used as a talking point to support it.
The "divine androgyne" usually an impossible chimera, one side male the other female, of hermeticism is a part of a lot of New Age thinking.
Thankfully that was, as you say, long ago. I'm sure that they now do DNA tests in such cases to see what corrective operation is appropriate.
That's going to be a lot of rooms and a lot of extra plumbing.
In most bathrooms, it really doesn't matter, because each toilet is inside a private cubicle. Perhaps one solution would be to close off the undersides so no peeking below the edge, and have unisex toilet rooms so this game can't be played. The possibility of boys more easily attacking girls exists thought, teenaged boys are NOT "children" and are as capable of rape or lesser sexual abuse as any adult.
This whole thing, all possible solutions, is problematic.
"That's going to be a lot of rooms and a lot of extra plumbing."
Yes, I understood that. Unhappily there is a cost to complying with evil laws. Cubicles with gaps at top and bottom are not going to provide the legitimate privacy that is needed, given children's mischievousness.
Constance scolded. Christine backs off for a bit.
Thanks to others for your research.
Too bad those creeps pick such nice colors. If it weren't for what it meant, I would like those nails!
I've been computer-less for many moons now,
but I see that you're still posting excellent
info on the New Age and all it's ridiculous
I also notice that Christine stills thinks that everyone should listen to her convolutions, even at the
expense of your postings.
What's new ?
Go Constance !
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You are vile Christine.
and if you want to survive and help your children or others to survive, you'd do well to know the score. understand the enemy.
animal and bird brains
human brain also
"Geobiologist Joseph L. Kirschvink and his co-workers at Cal Tech have discovered crystals of magnetite, a naturally magnetic material commonly known as lodestone, in human brain tissue."
a natural phenomenon hyped by New Agers.
ever hear of set breaking? separation of mutually irrelevant things from each other, that are usually packaged as mutually dependent and mutually validating that have in fact nothing to do with each other.
I will be pointing out some of this issue in my upcoming book.
You wrote: "I can remember reading nothing in apocalyptic novels or end time movies that even remotedly approached the obvious wickedness in this legislation that under the guise of "protection" leaves our small children to the predations of the so-called "LGBT community". "
Yes it is disgusting, but let us keep perspective. The amount of molestation that will go on as a direct result of this horrible law is actually small. In ancient Greece, in contrast, the norm was for a boy who had reached about the age of 12 to suffer one of his father's friends gratifying himself between the boy's thighs. The boy himself would routinely do the same to his friend's sons once he had grown up (and had married in order to procreate). Even California is a long way from that being the social norm. And the USA is no different before God from ancient Greece - just another gentile nation that has been granted worldly power. This new law is unprecedented for the USA, but not for the gentile world, and God did not foreclose human history because of the sins of ancient Greece.
YES! there is too much American exceptionalism crept into theology and prophecy, and America as New Jerusalem unexamined assumptions in our culture. Even when not held consciously, these were conscious ideas of some who shaped our culture. It is more obvious in some patriotic poetry and prose of the 1800s. Especially with the Manifest Destiny thing.
hijinks with the New Age occultism and the military and intelligence, interesting history of association of some individuals, lack of knowledge of the history of the New Age movement, doesn't matter.
Thanks so much for the link you posted Re: Infowars (Alex Jones) supporting Lucis Trust.
Haven't watched it yet, but I plan to.
As you might know, I'm not a fan at all of Alex Jones - he's an enemy of the US in political terms, and now it appears he's an enemy of Christ in spiritual terms.
As for that video, all it shows is that Alex has been interested in some David Icke work, because he targets the same people (but then goes to a spiritual energy unity thing, an obvious problem. A lot of people don't like the darkside, but don't have the discernment to realize that there is a false light that pretends to oppose it).
Alex subsequently decided Icke was icky. This reptilian thing tends to undermine credibility. Some have suggested that Icke was turned on to this idea as an effort to make his research on global satanic elites and pedophilia etc. ridiculous.
It is also possible, that some people who claim to have seen such shapeshifting events, actually saw the demon that overshadowed the people, and misinterpreted it as a physical event.
The video mentions the double headed eagle as a New Age or occult symbol, but while it came into use in Masonry and elsewhere, its origins are quite different. As far back as the Hittites it seems to have been some symbol of royalty, and came into use in European heraldry. The double eagle was also a tsarist symbol, and because of the Orthodoxy of Russia it is still in use in some Russian based Orthodox churches.
Right now, the reason Egypt is having riots is because the al qaeda - muslim brotherhood - etc crew, that the Arab Spring movements always put in power, and who originated as part of British games in the Middle East, and were taken over by US intelligence for their games, and this is all trackable in published history if you dig for it, want to use Egypt against Assad, so the military threw out the MB man and took over to stop this mess. They didn't see any reason to go out and die for some oil imperialism.
Gen. Wesley Clark many years ago said on TV he had been shown a list of countries that were to be taken down, and another source close to big oil elites was told the same plan.
Thank God it seems to be failing. Russia and China now both have military forces in the Syrian vicinity and Russian troops in Syria, which inhibits a direct military action by the US.
Christians are always the losers in all this in the Middle East and Egypt.
First, the Arab Spring movements didn't "put" anybody in power - those were ANTIgovernmental movements. Muslim fundamentalists were, fairly predictably, the beneficiaries. Second, what is meant by saying that the MB originated from British games in the mideast? Its founder certainly did not like Western influence in Egypt, and Britain was the dominant Western influence there, but what 'games' did you mean? Third, the idea that MB and al-qaeda have been taken over by US intelligence - IF ONLY! Where do you get this trash from? The Army in Egypt is basically secular (ie nominal Muslim) and will hopefully give rise to a dictator like Mubarak only a bit less corrupt. Deciding that Mubarak was a nasty man therefore he should be deposed was Obama's great folly. By mideast standards he was pliant to US strategic wishes.
Real research takes time, effort, work, money. Is there a supernatural? Yes. Is real research equivalent to the stupid claims of the lazy brained? No. God gave us good brains. We should all use them.
I am not an Alex Jones fan but I did think that his Bohemian Grove expose was his finest hour. Can you point me to a summary of what's wrong with it, please?
As for Arab Spring being anti govt. ergo not putting people in power that is ridiculous. of course they were anti govt. and in the aftermath, moslem extremists were put in power as you admitted, which is contradicting yourself.
the whole Arab Spring thing is CIA backed and manipulated.
As for Alex Jones' style, that is own personal inclination and he has been learning on the job for decades, so you can't expect him to be perfect. And he is not my only source, but often he can give a real good quick overview of stuff.
Yeah, stuff. Much too often proves to be more distraction than help.
Thanks but no thanks.
O confusion! The Ottoman Empire chose to side with the Germans in World War 1. The Ottomans thought long and hard which side to support and had they joined the Allies against Germany then Britain would not have lifted a finger against them. They brought disaster on themselves by their own choice of sides.
Moreover the idea that Britain actively sided with ibn Saud against the house of Hussein, ruler of the Hejaz, is absurd. Britain simply let the two Arab houses fight it out and the house of Saud won. Check the history for yourself. In retrospect things would have been better for Britain and many others if Britain HAD intervened - to support the moderate Muslim Hussein.
Ibn Saud and his original warriors, the Ikhwan, were BOTH Wahhabite in ideology. They fell out because the Ikhwan wanted to go raiding in British-run Transjordan, and ibn Saud did not want to provoke the British, to whom he was selling oil and making good money. Loose living he might have been but that was not the issue between him and the Ikhwan.
"As for Arab Spring being anti govt. ergo not putting people in power that is ridiculous. of course they were anti govt. and in the aftermath, moslem extremists were put in power as you admitted, which is contradicting yourself."
You say that the moslem extremists were put in power as if someone else put them in power - an assumption from which you claim to derive a self-contradiction in my position. But nobody installed them; they installed themselves, seizing power in what was a power vacuum.
It's not about "style", or "learning on the job", or expecting perfection, it's about the consequences (intended or not) of the half-truths and disinformation he spews out daily. That was a pretty lame defense of someone that I consider one of the most dangerous internet icons out there.
Friends, the big picture is something that is hard for any of us to grasp. It takes a lot of research, and a lot of discernment, and sometimes just blind luck (or leading by the Holy Spirit) to know what and where all the dots are and how they are connected. Connect a group of dots incorrectly, and the wrong picture emerges, yes?
Take David Icke. He and other New Agers are very much "anti-New World Order". In being so, they are joined at the hip with the Occupy Movement AND with socialism/marxism/communism (and the nations - Russia, for example - that CURRENTLY still hold to that philosophy and wish to be rid of us for good) - ALL of whom are anti-capitalism, anti-US, feed the revolutionary mindset, and consequently, are enemies of the US.
Let me insert here that to be against the abuses of governments, including our own, is NOT what I mean when I say "anti-US". A lot of what our government does is downright evil and needs to be opposed. BUT.... those sentiments can be used and manipulated on a massive scale so that many who are sincere in wanting to change things from the status quo are lead down paths of error. (In other words, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.)
If you want to spend some time (and I mean some serious time) looking into how the far right and the far left are being manipulated by Alex Jones specifically (who is featured prominently on Russia Today, the Kremlin's propaganda mouthpiece), check out Cliff Kincaid's USA Survival website. While you're at it, check out also Trevor Louden's blog (and his latest book), and read some of Jeff Nyquist's articles.
Like 5:01 PM said, real research takes lots of time and effort. Don't forget - anyone can be an "expert" on the internet, myself included. That's why I ask that you go look at the work of people who HAVE spent considerable time and money and have put their personal reputations on the line to try and tell the truth about a particular "dot". It's up to us to connect them properly and see the correct big picture.
What he is against is the crony capitalism whose big corporations own and control and direct our govt. And I don't depend on him only.
I have been reading a lot of stuff you would probably like better than Jones and so has he.
I think the complaint against the Bohemian Grove video is very dishonest, because of "Nonsense that is attributed to Lucifer, Satan, the occult, blah blah blah is just stupidity. Might as well say do you know why that tree fell down - Satan caused that. Anything can be attributed to the supernatural and no proof is needed. It just sounds good to the lazy brains. "
nowhere did that video attribute anything to the supernatural, all players in the situation were human, the supernatural element is the influence on their minds and they go along with it.
the error I think is to ASSUME that that is not an actual human sacrifice, because if you listen carefully the horrible laughter, easy for any voice modifying equipment to allow a human to do, kicks in just in time to ALMOST cover a shriek like a human perhaps an infant or very young child in great pain. the laughter doesn't kick in quite in time. Probably the majority of people there assume it is fake. Maybe they don't.
Of course the British had anti German reasons to oppose the Ottoman empire. that isn't the point.
I think it was FDR who said that nothing happens on its own, its made to happen. In letting people fight it out, I think you can assume that some help will be given the side you favor. And Ibn Saud was probably more corrupt so probably more favored, because such people are more easily directed.
Please translate that jelly of verbiage into a coherent allegation; then we can discuss.
His father Harry St John Philby was a friend of and supported ibn Saud, and T.E. Lawrence was a friend of and supported Sheikh Hussein. But which of them actually represented British policy? Lawrence's support of Hussein. That support did not, however, extend to the expending of British blood by providing Hussein with troops in his feud with against ibn Saud. There was no appetite for that so soon after the slaughter of World War I.
It would be better if you did your research BEFORE posting here.
http://www.macrohistory.com/h2/ch17arab.html Ibn Saud's successes were done with British arms and money.
IF your scenario is true, then it would fit the frequent pattern, of keeping things "balanced" by having two or more power elements in a region, to play off against each other. Ibn Saud's victory over Hussein eliminated that possibility in most of the Arabian peninsula.
But in that case, they would not have wanted Hussein to have the whole bag of marbles either.
Interesting take on the Hastings murder (which it most likely was). While I disagree with the complaint of killing American citizens abroad who are terrorists bearing arms against the US, which if the legal issues raised decades ago in a magazine dedicated to mercenaries is still correct, ipso facto removed his American citizenship, it does open the door to attack against American citizens on American soil for political reasons. Hastings was about to do an expose on the guy in charge of all that in the CIA.
Hastings car was not going fast when it blew up BEFORE impacting the tree, which showed minimal damage, and the style of explosion has been viewed by explosives experts as indicating a bomb in the front end was activated.
Of interest to those concerned with closet satanic roles in the US, Danny Casolaro (see The Octopus by Kenn Thomas I think it is) was about to talk with a couple of staffers of Sen. Robert Byrd, who is credited with being the lawyer who drew up the incorporation papers for the temple of set, when suddenly he decided to kill himself by cutting his wrists, then mopping up the blood somehow before he died in the tub, bloody towels found stuffed under the sink.....that investigation was the INSLAW scandal, whose personnel link to both Lt. Col. Ollie North and back to the JFK assassination milieu....
Yes, that's realpolitik. The relationship was in both their interests.
"If they were so hot to save Mecca, why not take some action and send arms and money to Hussein?"
I tried to make clear that they much preferred Hussein to have Mecca but did not deem it worth British blood to support him with troops, which was probably the only thing that could have saved him from ibn Saud.
"IF your scenario is true, then it would fit the frequent pattern, of keeping things "balanced" by having two or more power elements in a region, to play off against each other."
Exactly - that has always been the policy of Empires, including the British.
"But in that case, they would not have wanted Hussein to have the whole bag of marbles either."
True. But he was less expansionist than ibn Saud.
Perhaps they did. Or, if not, maybe they saw the writing on the wall. Did you check before posting? You too can do the work, you know.
"[and] used air support not ground troops."
Even today it has its limits, and in the 1920s... you can't stop an army with a few biplanes.
you are forgetting that in a biplane you can have a machine gun and strafe troops on the ground.
A Possible History of Life on Mars
I'm getting too many complaints about excessive and maybe irrelevant comments. Please try to keep your comments relevant and concise. If you have important new information and links, they are welcome.
You all know about the "collapse comments" feature if you want to skip one participant or another.
Let's show kindness and charity towards all! Treat one another as we would like to be treated, i.e. THE GOLDEN RULE of our Lord Jesus Christ!
Newswithviews.com has now reprinted this blogspot article which should allow for broader circulation of what I consider necessary commentary.
I'd noticed the cloud issue back in 1993.
Yes, I said that, and it's why I didn't post a review of sorts.
"...is stated BEFORE the "what if NASA is lying? question."
None of which affects the question you declined to answer: what if they're not lying - have you done any research into that - contacted the scientist involved and questioned them and seen their reactions, etc?
While valuable new research often comes out of left field, it is invariably done by people who are wiling to interact with others and subject their ideas to the rough-and-tumble of debate and skeptical scrutiny. Lone wolves seldom publish anything of value. Have you kicked these ideas around with scholars?
But if they are not, it doesn't change much of the premise of the book, just relocate some of it farther away. Most of the issues could have been conducted underground in controlled environments.
shell out 7.99 and read the whole thing and follow the links in it to more research and reasons, and then make sensible remarks.
NASA is saying it looks like Mars once had water and thicker atmosphere anyway, which would remove the need for underground ops in the earlier phase of the proposed history.
NOTHING CAN EXPLAIN THE CLOUDS AND DUST DEVILS THAT ARE NOT POSSIBLE AT STATED MARS AIR PRESSURE.
The only remaining issue is, is NASA innocently in error, or is it consciously lying?
That's your conclusion. Have you investigated whether anybody has proposed any alternative hypotheses or made contact with the scientists whose observations these were? Radical hypotheses are fine, but radical conclusions need to be reached by a careful process of exclusion of unanticipated but more prosaic alternatives. That's why research is best done by loners who are willing to work in community. Not pack-followers. And not self-isolaters, many of whom have a hero complex. Anyhow your work in the public domain now and the comments of informed others willing to spend the time in scrutinising it will gradually come in.
Plain simple FACT. you go look in a book that gives types of clouds and elevations and air pressures they occur at AND ARE LIMITED TO, note that NASA says these are water clouds on Mars not CO2 frozen particle clouds which might have some other capability.
THEN, look at the photos from Mariner 9 and from Viking and later of clouds on Mars.
See for yourself. There are clouds there that can NOT form at the alleged air pressure on the surface, let alone the elevations above that.
typo, sorry, should have read, "but could NOT bring themselves to question the thin atmosphere claim."
On the following Wikipedia page are some pics of what the 'face' looks like at other angles of illumination and greater resolution than that famous early photo:
Giant carved face on Mars? Bull****.
This is a prime example of your unreliable scholarship and is why I don't take your word for it about the clouds either. Jesus said that those reliable in little things would be reliable in big, but in discussion after discussion on routine scientific matters here you have been unreliable. Now we are expected to believe your analysis of recent intelligent life on Mars. I welcome the comments of others, but I have other things to get on with.
There might indeed be problems with the pressure measurements from one landing vehicle but there have now been many independent measurements from different instruments on different parts of the planet. Low pressure, but sufficient wind to blow very light material around.
But what if NASA are lying? OK, but that could be asked about anybody, including you Christine.
Christine, I am content to let Constance's readers decide that for themselves. Here again is the website where the images of the 'face' can be inspected at other angles of illumination and at higher resolution:
Ever heard of N rays?
As for that 5-sided conical feature, the angles between the sides are all different which strongly suggests a natural rather than an intelligent origin.
what N rays are you referring to?
anyway, until you actually buy the book only $7.99 one penny short of $8, and read the whole thing and pursue not only the links in it but the links and resources on other pages thoses URL suites also link to, this discussion is pointless.
Only a small portion of the book deals with artificial structures. And as it wears on, it gets into New Age issues.
That's just an attempt to duck the issues that I found in the early parts I did read. The 'face' on Mars looks like nothing of the sort under non-directional lighting and with better resolution, and the atmospheric pressure on Mars has been measured by many independent instruments, not just one which might have been malfunctioning. Why should anyone read the rest of a thesis whose underpinning is shaky?
2. The Face issue is supportive but not essential to the rest of the book, in fact if you were able to read a bit farther, you would see that.
This is why the discussion is irrelevant. It does not depend on The Face. There is a whole lot of other stuff which would be better to focus on than that.
For instance, the whole aliens are either demons or separate evolved or created creatures leaves out an important possiblity, that the physical aliens (as distinct from the ones who are demons) are descended from the work of mad scientists in pre Flood civilization, who genetically engineered people with added insect, reptile and other DNA for various purposes, and were offworld when The Flood came.
In any case, they are bad news.
Be fair and read the whole thing. Don't make assumptions. The book quickly gets past The Face and onto things that have no dependence on it.
Let's let other people get words in edgewise, PLEASE!!!!!!!
It is still my blogspot.
My blogspot is not to be used for commercial marketing. I have resisted that to my own financial detriment over the years as I could have taken advantage of google programs to pay bloggers from advertisers whose products are recommended on this.
I congratulate you on your tenacity to finish a book for yourself, but you should not be marketing it here especially when I am not marketing my own for profit.
Please read it.
that doesn't remove the "aliens are demmons" argument but explains the physical ones, and they are bad news anyway. especially if they represent pre Flood culture at all.
And didn't Farrukhan have some crazy theory about the white race being aliens from Mars?
For the record, RAY KURZWEIL, the outrageous futurist who welcomes human implants is the new DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING for Google, per this google blog article:
"Don't miss the singularity"?????!!!!!
I'm going to have to get in touch with Katherine Albrecht to see what she has to say about that!
Kurzweil is cut from the same cloth, as are the soul-less / conscience-less intellects over at Google.
They will be leading the charge against tradition and Christians when it push comes to shove.
The typical legislator is not likely to be interested in, or if interested, succeed, in passing laws based on theological issues.
But the pragmatic safety issues and privacy issues should be enough if used right to hamstring this thing.
lawyers and politicians online here, take note.
Let's hear it for Darwin!
I am just now catching up on my reading and caught sight of your comment on the Man Boy Love Association.
The full name of the organization is the North American Man Boy Love Association and it was publicly supported by people like Harry Hay and president Obama's "Safe School Czar" Kevin Jennings.
NORTH AMERICAN MAN BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION
The thing to remember about Harry Hay is that in addition to being a Marxist/Stalinist, he was a disciple of Aleister Crowley's teachings and was reportedly a member of Aleister Crowley's O.T.O.
Harry Hay even played the organ for the "lodge."
Here is the excellent three-part report by Cliff Kincaid.
NAMBLAGATE: THE STRANGE CASE OF KEVIN JENNINGS Part 1
NAMBLAGATE: THE STRANGE CASE OF KEVIN JENNINGS Part 2
NAMBLAGATE: THE STRANGE CASE OF KEVIN JENNINGS Part 3
NAMBLA-Gate: The Case of Kevin Jennings
Just in case anyone here is not familiar with the O.T.O., I would like to add that according to people like Peter Koenig who has been documenting the history of the O.T.O., the eleventh degree is said to be ritual sodomy. This degree was incorporated into O.T.O. rituals by Aleister Crowley.
The Ecclesiastica Gnostica Catholica is the ecclesiastical arm of the O.T.O. and has even gone to the trouble to obtain valid but illicit "Catholic" ordinations and consecrations from schismatic Churches in order to administer the Catholic Sacraments to those who had been excommunicated for membership in masonic and/or other occult secret societies. According to Catholic teaching, this involves sacrilege.
The disciple of Eliphas Levi known as "Papus" functioned as a "bishop" in the predecessor to the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica founded by Jules Doinel. Rene Guenon functioned as a "bishop" in the Alexandrian branch of this gnostic "church" before he became a Sufi.
Papus and Theodor Reuss who was a founder of the O.T.O. and initiator of Crowley exchanged initiations at one point. This is how the EGC became the ecclesiastical arm of the OTO.
As has been pointed out before, Papus was once a member of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky's Theosophical Society, but left because of the emphasis Blavatsky's group placed on eastern esotericism.
Papus' theosophical group, on the other hand, laid greater emphasis on "western esotericism" -especially what some have derisively dubbed "dungeons and dragons Christianity" with its Holy Grail legends and prophecies of "Le Grand Monarch."
I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
Feri witchcraft was sort of invented by Victor and Cora Anderson. This kind of thing is highly eclectic by nature, and Victor Anderson was especially so, and was bisexual, while his wife Cora is (or was, may be dead by now) strictly straight. Victor hailed from Oregon, or at least his inspiration did, the Harpy Coven which went belly up (or underground, whichever) in the 1930s or after. Anderson added elements of Hawaiian kahuna style paganism/shamanism, while Cora represented more of the same kind of thing Harpy Coven did, the Ozarks type witchcraft which has a direct tie back to East Anglia witchcraft, which, in its practices startled a modern neo pagan who was researching them, by the STRONG SIMILARITY to practices alleged about the mediaeval witches.
Ozark witchery involves sexual initiation rituals and something not unlike selling your soul to the devil. Anderson brought in a mix of things.
Harpy Coven members, LIKE MOST WITCHES UNTIL THE PAST SEVERAL DECADES, were nominal Christians, and church goers. They had three hand signals of power or mudras, one of which is the same as the Boy Scout fingers position in a salute.
This probably in turn came from the mildly paganistic and possibly closet pederastic woodcraft movement of some guy I forget his name in England, which movement was a Scouting inspiration.
Whatever its origin, it is used in Feri and derived systems TO BRING SPIRITS UNDER CONTROL WHEN THEY ARE GETTING OUT OF CONTROL.
The position of the fingers, center three up (or out) and thumb and pinky folded, is a disguised invocation to The Holy Trinity. No one doing this realizes it, certainly not those using it now.
The proper form is 1st, 2nd, and thumb up, the pinky and 3rd finger folded, to represent The Holy Trinity and the Two Natures of Christ Who is God Incarnate (God and human). Any 3 up 2 down position of fingers is saying this, whether the person doing this realizes it or not.
Like the use of the crucifix in voodoo, again kept around because it limits spirit activity and keeps them manageable, this symbol backs them down somewhat (less if you want them around but manageable, more if you are committed to Jesus Christ and want to get rid of them).
Perhaps someone who knew people starting with this playing with paganism, and who knew they were inventing mobile symbols like this, suggested this form, for this use, intending these people to unknowingly invoke Jesus Christ, since they wouldn't knowingly do so.
Feri is considered dangerous even by its practitioners. Repeatedly on Feri egroups in the 2000s, I ran into warnings and those who are unstable and receive the "feri current" can go bonkers (meaning anything out of control and out in the open, interfering with day to day functioning and looking generally like bad PR for the cult). Discrete misbehavior is another matter, not consider bad.
One segment of feri tries to be monogamous and straight, one of those wiccan type categories that think they are dealing with good spirits and that of course their false gods couldn't be evil or condone or promote evil. How successful they have been in all this I have no idea, frankly I don't want to know.
This reception of a current is not unlike that in Reiki, which these people have a great affinity for.
I am not surprised Harry Hay was into this stuff.
Someone just sent me a new website I really think you might like to take a look at.
surprising occultic and New Age origins behind Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard. 2nd and 3rd audio file. Chuck Smith overt heresies shown in the 4th audio file. She once recommended Calvary Chapel but took a closer look and apologies for recommending them. I think she is a pretribber, but the issue of style of church govt. (their board really has no power it is a one man rule, notes the trend to create a one world new apostolic system, with one apostle ultimately in charge in future, and the heretical teachings and practices (falling backward occurs in The Bible in connection with judgement, when one meets God the style usually reported is to fall forward on your face.)5th tape gets to Chuck Missler
Thanks for what you wrote about my post on Alex Jones and Lucis Trust.
I used to have a lot of time for Alex Jones when I was new around the 'Truth' movement. He struck me as an incredibly bright guy with a genuine love for his country and the constitution.
He was impatient with the reactions of fundamentalist Christians because he believed, and presumably still does, that there can be a political solution to the troubles of the US, As I was not a Christian then, that didn't bother me.
And then after I had become a Christian, I heard Alex talk on Dr Stan's show about the nature of the Luciferian elites and he seemed to have a real understanding of the spiritual realities behind the political mask. When Zeitgeist came out, he nailed it as the Satanic Marxist propaganda that it was.
But over the last few years I have seen more and more New Age material on his show. I no longer listen to Alex. When I do, I see someone who seems to be a caricature of his younger self. He initially rejected David Icke and his Luciferian nonsense - now he cries him up. I think that Mr Jones has been 'got at'.
The same thing has happened to a personal hero - an honest, plain, old-fashioned Englishman named Brian Gerrish. He was giving talks exposing the creeping takeover by the European Union of all our native government and institutions, but he was also talking about the religious agenda, the creation of a one world religion.
And what happened to Mr Gerrish? Someone started funding him and he is now putting out a news show with a team that includes agnostics and New Agers. He is still doing good research into the Marxist subversion in our country. But there is no mention on the program of the hidden dangers of the rainbow. Of course, that would be too 'divisive'. Brian Gerrish, still a good Christian man, is being 'got at'.
Brian's talks, as I keep saying, are so worth listening to, and not irrelevant to US citizens. His Christian friends are praying that he will speak out on that most important of subjects - the attack on Christianity.
Things are getting very serious in our country.
Political correctness feeds on the fear of speaking views that diverge from PC “truth.” Although the primary forces behind political correctness are those who develop and convey ideas—college professors and administrators, Hollywood producers and directors, celebrities, mainstream news anchors, and so on—we all perpetuate political correctness when we succumb to the fear of contradicting PC “truth.”
So where does this fear come from? And what is the source of the prevailing opinions that we fear to contradict? Public opinion is often molded through a calculated process of psychological manipulation that takes two main forms: saturation and suppression.
Saturation is the practice of repeating a deception relentlessly and injecting it into every corner of public life so that it becomes accepted as truth. Saturation usually requires the control of most communications outlets. For example, PC forces were only able to tease out public “approval” for the idea of genderless marriage by simultaneously saturating us with the idea through Hollywood, the media, academia, K-12 public education, local community activists, and various religious organizations.
Suppression is the flip side of the PC coin. We know it as the practice of quashing ideas that compete with the PC message, usually through speech codes, shout-downs, or smears. The process of suppression creates the conditions essential to the survival of the PC message. If we think of PC as bacteria, suppression is like the dark room and the culture required for the bacteria’s growth and replication.
But it expanded exponentially.
This is the Brit who calls himself Physicist on this blog (and is a committed Christian). Writing anonymously I may have critiqued you on this blog earlier this year, but I deeply and completely agree with what you say about Alex Jones, Brian Gerrish and Britain. Well said! May Jesus Christ walk closely with you.
Hopefully if this SHTF it will be only a regional war. But just in case....
you can put in parameters incl. the location of the nearest military base to yourself, and calculate effects on you, if any, as per airburst and ground level burst. I think the military doctrine re nukes is to use ground blast on a military base, to be sure and ruin all equipment.
The loss of life and longterm problems are unspeakable. The style of death for those on the near perimeter of the event is horrible.
And if you think the NAM/NWO wouldn't make plenty of hay off this, think again.
And right now, Putin not Obama is the only hope (aside from Jesus Himself)for Christians in the Middle East, because the people the US is supporting in Syria have been driving them out and murdering them wherever they gain control.
You have no credentials.
You only have your overweening pride
in your self-assessed high intelligence.
When you argue with a PHD physicist,
you really appear to be a fool.
Don't you know this yet ?
Faces on Mars? chakras? Vampires?
Obviously the Bible isn't deep enough for you,
and you need to find more tantalizing
material from people like Alex Jones,
etc etc etc etc etc etc
"..having itching ears; ever learning but never
coming to a knowledge of the truth."
Give Constance back her blog site,
and shut the heck up already.
Robin is a brilliant lawyer who puts out Invisible Serf's Collar, a website and newsletter which are intended to reach knowledgeable individuals. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/
She recently sent me these two notes:
I am told the natl catholic education association has had Barbara marx Hubbard in to speak recently,
Reader sent me this
So the vouchers are now pulling in the new age spirituality to catholic schools in the name of common core.
It fits what I am seeing in ed as the actual implementation and the language of educators who are also New Agers as well. Fits with yesterday’s post and the next one on Maslow that is researched but not yet written.
I may have known about the organization in the past, but because there are thousands of organizations and websites pushing New Age ideas, I didn't remember it, so I checked out that website where I found
Personally Transformational Encounter of Left and Right
Thanks to Cumbey many, many years ago I had learned that Fetzer was a major New Age think tank in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Those of you who know how the Delphi technique is used to bring about group consensus in accordance with the aims of the sponsoring organization will see it in action here. Here major New Age groups, leftist organizations, conservative groups and even a christian one were brought together to "understand" each other. And that is how the New Age movement grows and grows, leading to acceptance of a one world religion and a one world government. No one is forced to go along. It's all planned, non-objective mental manipulation.
Here are a few quotations from the article:
"On June 11, 2004 I was privileged to join in a fascinating meeting of Left and Right organized by Lets Talk America and the Democacy in America Project. This unusual gathering was funded by the visonary Fetzer Institute and generously hosted at their wooded Seasons Retreat Center in Kalamazoo, MI....
"People from MoveOn.org, ACLU, the AFL-CIO, Sierra Club and Rolling Thunder (Jim Hightower's group) couldn't make it from the Left. But a couple of former Clinton administration officials came -- Shirley Wilcher of Wilcher Global LLC and the National Congress of Black Women, and Carl Fillichio of the Council for Excellence in Government -- and a number of other folks who have roots in progressive politics, like myself, Mark Satin of THE RADICAL MIDDLE newsletter, and Michael Toms of New Dimensions Radio.
Among the pillars of the conservative movement who attended were David Keene, Chair of the American Conservative Union (the largest grassroots conservative organization in the U.S.); Bill Thomson, National Field Director and a leading spokesperson for the Christian Coalition; FBI veteran Gary Aldrich, founder of The Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty (and author of UNLIMITED ACCESS); and columnist and radio talk show host Bob Barr, former US Congressman from Georgia and a board member for the National Rifle Association.
"Other participants included Laura Chasin of the Public Conversation Project, Lawry Chickering of Educate Girls Globally (and author of BEYOND LEFT AND RIGHT), Joe Goldman of America Speaks, Barbara Marx Hubbard of the Foundation for Conscious Evolution (and author of CONSCIOUS EVOLUTION), Ethan Leib (author of DELIBERATIVE DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA), Jeff Peters of We The People, Ginny Sloan of the Constitution Project, Pat Spino of the Democracy in America Project, Donna Wiesner of BrainTrain, Zoe Schonfeld of the NY office of the Legal Aid Society, and Jeri Barr of Cobb Family Resources....."
More at the link
He is using the support of the ROC (Russian Orthodox Church) to legitimize any action he takes on the world stage. Saving a bunch of Christians (which obviously would be a good thing) only deepens the respect he would get. (Well, not from the MB....)
Make no mistake though, he intends to attack the West at some point, and the US in particular.
There *is* war coming to the US. A lot of people will die. A LOT. Is it Christian to say "Better them than us?" I guess I leave that up to the reader. To have others die to save even more, is that Christian? Was it Christian to drop the bombs on Japan?
These questions all relate to the Just War doctrine. Do I use violence on an evil man who is beating up (using violence on) an innocent child? Violence in that case is not only justified, it is Christian in some sense of the word.
Yes, the NAM is waiting to make hay from the next world war. It's going to happen - world war. But who do you want to have around to fight against the Antichrist and his dopey minions who will try to rise from the ashes of that war? Russia and China, who have a history of killing Christians, or America and other Western nations, who doesn't?
As Trevor Loudon has stated recently, if America falls, the rest of the West falls too.
The propaganda arm of the New Age is still in full swing. I just read an article by a Catholic writer who was warning about Common Core, and how it was much more of an attack on privacy rights than anything going on over at the NSA.
The thoughts currently running through my mind right now, regarding war, etc:
1. The New Age obviously have been antiwar since the beginning. But... as Mao has stated, real power flows from the barrel of a gun. That is, until you eliminate all useful weapons from the earth (or all those who would use those weapons), there will be war. So, that brings me to....
2. How will the New Agers get rid of war? Will they succeed in getting the powerful nations to all get together and toss their NBC and conventional weapons into a big burn pile and get rid of them? Like Seinfeld said on one of his shows: "Not bloody likely...", because ....
3. New Agers have no real political power yet. Not in Europe, not here, not in Russia or China or any of the other large nation-states. So they sure can't blast to the world "Lay down your weapons and don't fight no more!" with any kind of serious threat. They are, to the warriors of the world who are still very much with us, laughable and only nuisances like tiny flies. so....
4. How will the New Age (and the Antichrist and his minions) gain enough power to do all the nasty things that we know they will do? The ones who will stop them will have to be "gone" from power. No more Russia, no more China, no more US, no more Iran (unless Iran and Islam is the seat of power from which the Antichrist arises - that is a strong possibility in my mind).... This can only happen, as I see it, if a world war happens - one that is so devastating that if it continued would threaten to destroy all life. Only then will the surviving world have their attention....
5. Perhaps "aliens" make their presence known right about then, telling us that they've been watching us for quite some time now, and if we continue what we're doing, we're gonna kill ourselves completely. Plus, maybe they'll introduce some kind of "proof" that all religions in the world are rooted in the same "revealed" truth that they are going to share, and they'll share it, and maybe there will even be some miraculous signs and wonders to convince the "unbelievers", like all of Russia's army gets clobbered from above when they are marching on Israel or something.
Anyway. Those are some thoughts I have floating around in my head currently. I would like this country to be around to help fight against the New Agers and the Antichrist, but whatever God has planned, I'll go with that. It's usually the best idea. :^)
The people the US is supporting are persecuting Christians. Every Arab Spring the US has supported has resulted in this, also the removal of Saddam Hussein.
Putin is supporting Assad, whose regime does not persecute Christians. Medvedev was assured the US wouldn't go into Libya and that was a lie. All parties, US Russia and China and Iranian Hezbollah forces are converging on Syria.
To nuke anyone at this point would be immoral as hell. And would bring retaliation.
US involvement in the Middle East is part of a long range oil elite and NWO plan, which, when people on this blog are not getting pumped up on us vs. them patriotic jingoism because the EX soviet union Russia is in the game (gasp!) an ENEMY of the US (gasp!) we can see clearly enough to call things for what they are.
The USSR was vastly overrated and the Cold War deliberately pumped up to near disaster several times by the same element Eisenhower warned against in his last speech. (And the Nazis on both sides of the game, our Nazis and their Nazis, not just scientists either, were playing us off against each other, while they built and shared technology and economic networks to try to establish the Fourth Reich, by the way. And the plans for this were laid BEFORE Germany was defeated, and expected to bear fruit in 3 or maybe 4 generations, depending on how you count a generation, which means about now.)
As for the West falling, define fall? It looks like it already has, by stages.
I hope that others at least question its validity.
And senior American military have MUSLIMS as advisers on Islam. They should read the quran for themselves; it's not difficult! The present situation is like having communists - rather than anti-communist Russian speakers - as advisers during the Cold War. Suicidal! This all started with Obama's Cairo speech:
I do agree with Christine that Syria is an opportunity missed to build a bridge with Putin. It might not have succeeded, but as it is the USA is now on the same side as al-Qaeda, who did 9/11. (You bet they did!) Again, suicidal.
As for Nazi, START with AMERICA's NAZI SECRET by John Loftus, and BLOWBACK by Christopher Simpson, then
look at the long standing pre and DURING WW II coalition of interests (incl. eugenics and anti semitism) of elites on both sides of the puddle, and their occultism, and dig through the information of Dave Emory and Alex Constantine. Never mind their imperfections in equating ALL controls with fascism or equating ALL demands for equality incl gays and favoring of degenerate rock musicians just stick to the sourced information and the patterns.
Take a note of the fact you will find buried in there, thqat publishing giant Bertelsmann in Germany is the "parent" corporation ultimately either by origin or purchase of a large amount of media and NOTE ALSO that the rap music companies that supposedly push black culture, actually black gangster culture, are owned one or two steps back by white companies....and go from there.
Why do you think that Gehlen's organization, Hitler's spymaster who with a hellslew of war criminals whose paperwork was altered, and who became the entire American East European CIA desk so to speak, could sharp as he was allow so many commie moles?
The usual view here was that the UN was the tool of the USSR. Their view was that it was our tool. Probably more correct, as events are unwinding.
The ultimate goal, the NWO, has been being planned by our elites, british elites, and both communism and nazism were financed by the same people.
Lindsay Williams and Gen. Wesley Clark both tell the same story, a plan going back to the early 2000s or earlier to create situations in the Middle East that involve taking down all the countries that have already seen such takedown or are being worked on.
Reason to leave Syria alone.
Since closet satanists are at the top, as I suggested here some months ago, it may be that an unholy war is being waged behind the scenes, with the intention of putting the Muslim Brotherhood (which is NOT moderate contrary to Paul Craig Roberts misunderstanding) and similar groups in charge so they will exterminate or drive out Christians. And they have been doing so.
Think a minute. Why does a pattern appear, that every time "democracy" is rescued or installed it is the radicals and anti Christian activists who gain?
Only the bottom of the American pyramid is Christian, and they as well as the few Christians in power elected or otherwise, are heavily compromised by ideas and attitudes that blur judgement.
The overall dumbing down makes it easy to think in terms you can fit on a bumpersticker. And in nothing much more nuanced.
The regimes we overthrew did not persecute Christians, though in Egypt there was a tendency to look the other way when some radical group did so. But by and large Christians were safe, and often in positions of govt. roles.
Same as the Crusades, back then the Christians or Nasrani were more or less at peace with the local moslems, until some political agenda (and possibly secret heresy involving an effort to claim Jerusalem for some nobles who thought they were descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene) exploited the banditry in the Holy Land and sturred up a mess. The Venetians played a role also in some of this, especially where it negatively impacted Constantinople. And the Venetians were not really Christians whatever they claimed, not Jewish either, I don't have the source in front of me but what I read made it obvious they were sold out to evil and more than just greed.
A book that described the Crusades through the eyes of the Arabs showed that they did not call the Crusaders Nasrani but Franks, they knew a political move when they saw it. (Whatever their own faults.)
The USA was determined to put an end to the British Empire and used its financial muscle to do that at Bretton Woods and in the immediate postwar years when Britain was headed bankrupt and was bailed out under conditions. That the Brits were controlling this process behind the scenes is wholly implausible. (It is also ironic given that the USSR was the main beneficiary of British decolonisation, but that is another story.)
Because of who is the lord of this world. But the conspiracy is in the spiritual realms, not among humans whom that lord regards as useful idiots unless they are committed Christians.
The New Age movement is not a political party where everything is labeled to give it electable credit. It is not a movement that boasts of its power publicly. New Age has behind the scenes movers and shakers who the general public hardly know anything about. Their efforts are not described in the state media so the general public has no idea what actually is going on. Where can those leaders be found? At the top in the Council of Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, the World Future Society, the UN, academic circles, the Alliance of Civilizations, the Club of Rome, the Club of Budapest, at Aspen Institute, at think tanks like Carnegie and the Rockefeller foundations and countless other groups that hold financial and political power.
Who would be at the very top? Who holds the most financial power! Gates, Soros, the Rockefellers come to mind. Can anyone except a biographer quickly describe the Soros network and all of the strings he can pull?
What most people think of as New Age is can be compared to a mental gas these people can spread into the thinking of the public, paralyzing individual ability to think rationally and strongly, making them group followers unable to think for themselves. It's not a simple problem for them. Enough people in the pyramid of power must be convinced to follow top leadership and not go off on their own tangents.
Who is at the bottom of the pyramid? In the book 1984 which is an important warning for the general public, 85% of the public is described in a page and a half. That's how important they are in the scheme of things. They are unaware, mentally controlled, obedient to the political powers. Look around you and see that 85%.
Those who wake up and notice what is going on are like Winston in the novel. See the summary here. http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/summary.html "As the novel opens, Winston feels frustrated by the oppression and rigid control of the Party, which prohibits free thought, sex, and any expression of individuality...." As in Huxley's book, these days they've learned to use the fascination of sex as a control. They have many paid disinformation pushers to keep the 85% in line. If you have no power, you are not a worry to them. Anyone who has power or potential power and breaks away from New Age thinking is quickly stopped.
The 85% want everything in soundbites. The state media and disinformation writers provide that. Anyone who thinks they can learn about the New Age movement without a lot of hard research is just part of the 85%.
you can get non Nazis, even if you have to import them, to run industry, police, etc. The Russians did a far better job with the same issues.
I think it was FDR said that nothing happens by accident. Also, "the American people are so damn dumb" and its true.
Thanks to Chip Berlet a scandal blew up about the Ethnic Heritage or whatever it was called groups in the GOP in the Bush-Reagan period I think it was. Someone sneered at Berlet for going into trash cans for information as if this is undignified or degrading, which it isn't it is smart. Also routinely used by police investigations and so forth. That Berlet was a leftist has no bearing on the data itself.
The Russians never bothered with denazification in East Germany. (East German soldiers at Checkpoint Charlie even did the goosestep.) Unlike us, they were willing simply to tell the Nazis who remained in power in East Germany that if they did not do what their new overlords said then they would be shot. Which side is 'better'? And which side had to build a wall to stop people crossing?
"I think it was FDR said that nothing happens by accident."
Proves it, then.
"Also, "the American people are so damn dumb" and its true."
It is a salutary to see a writer insulting her audience.
But Nazi advisors went all over the world, even to the Arab countries (the pedigree on the Muslim Brotherhood is Nazi) and North Korea. And Africa, though that may be in part from Prussian dominated (Bismarckian) German colonial influence.
There was even a Nazi advisor in Israel.
Israel also struck a deal, I can't blame them entirely, with I think it was Rockefeller, when they dug up enough evidence to get him up on charges for his company's ongoing involvement with the Nazis during the war and helping war criminals escape later, he said okay, you can have justice or you can have the UN vote to get you recognized as a nation, and they took the latter.
Time for self examination and facing facts. Are you susceptible to simplistic gung ho propaganda and "principles" that let you be manipulated by big money and militarist and one world control is fine if the USA is in charge, or not?
The latter is called "full spectrum dominance" in USA military doctrine and organization. Did you know the entire world is divied up in various American "commands" only some of which make sense?
The sun never sets on the American empire.
And, yes, American exceptionalism....while our life expectancy, overall happiness indicators, infant mortality, health, education scores, etc. are wayyy below a lot of other countries, incl. the nordic ones the libertarian crew (whose ideal, Ayn Rand, was pro elitist, pro abortion, and anti altruism and an atheist, a proto satanist culture type person if ever there was one)like to despise as "socialist."
Things aren't as simple as you may think. Some things work, some don't, and everything "capitalist" and everything "socialist" doesn't neatly fit in those respective categories. A lot depends on context also.
If you give a damn about our country, stop supporting the American empire. We need to scale back, get mellow, chill, and wind down before we get wound down fast.
Some of the indicators are already being noticed by conservatives.
MB was founded before the Nazis came to power, and arguably Haj Amin influenced the Nazis in their attitude to the Jews more than the Nazis influenced the Muslims; see
"Israel also struck a deal... with I think it was Rockefeller, when they dug up enough evidence to get him up on charges for his company's ongoing involvement with the Nazis during the war and helping war criminals escape later, he said okay, you can have justice or you can have the UN vote to get you recognized as a nation, and they took the latter."
That's an interesting claim; have you evidence, please?
as for before the Nazis came to power, that is irrelevant. The roots of Nazism predate Hitler, and the Ottoman empire had a good relationship with Prussianized Germany. The antisemitism thing with a mystical "tainted bloodline" idea mixed with "Christ killer" (applicable only to the Jews involved in the Crucifixion and any curse they accepted on their children's children was finished after the AD 70 thing) notions that somehow are prevalent in precisely the most occult infested and fae haunted sections of Eastern Europe and the western sections of the Tsarist empire, were grabbed onto by Hitler.
The Grand Mufti admired Hitler and vice versa. Timing has little to do with it. There was heavy Nazi and proto Nazi incl. British versions presence in the pedigree of radical islam up to now.
Saudi Arabia hands out free copies of The Protocols of Zion to visitors.
and several articles on the subject
the UK truth is not a defense to a libel suit the legal issue is whether this will be disruptive to society or whatever. Being forced to retract and apologize is not, in England, reliable indication of falsehood of what is retracted.
I located this from this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP1RXnoZg7E
The people backing Obama want us in war in Syria, which is a good reason NOT to be at war in Syria.
"That's an interesting claim; have you evidence, please?"
"Go read Loftus' book."
I might, but it would be kind if you would provide a summary answer of the question I asked. I put it in good faith.
"Our American sources insist that the Jews simply laid their cards on the table for Nelson to read and 'blackmailed the hell out of him.'." continued next post, only 4,096 characters allowed per post.
"The roster of the Rockefellers' known pro-Nazi behavior is horrendous. As previously outlined, in 1942 Senator Truman described the behavior of the Rockefellers' company as treasonous. . .Under the US Constitution, giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war is treason. On September 22, 1947, Federal Judge Charles Clark issued the following opinion in a civil case: 'Standard Oil can be considered an enemy national in view of its relationship with I.G. Farben after the United States and Germany became active enemies.' The date is significant. Two months later, just as Nelson Rockefeller was hoping that the damage could be limited to a few corporate scapegoats, the Jews arrived in his office with proof that he personally had committed treason against the United States of America.' (Loftus and Aarons 165-71).
It was the perfect moment, Loftus and Aarons (165-71) tell us, for blackmail. Today, Nelson Rockefeller is remembered as the Republican millionaire who became vice-president of the United States. But: '. . . in 1947 he was still under a cloud of suspicion for his activities in South America. . . Despite the fact that Rockefeller sat on the ProclaimedList Committee and was in charge of Latin American intelligence, he turned a blind eye to Standard's shipments of South American oil to Hitler. . .[But] by 1947, the Rockefeller publicity machine had things under control, notwithstanding what Judge Clark might have said. Then the Jews arrived with their dossier. They had his Swiss bank records with the Nazis, his signature on correspondence setting up the German cartel in South America, transcripts of his conversations with Nazi agents during the war, and, finally, evidence of his complicity in helping Allen Dulles smuggle war criminals and money from the Vatican to Argentina. . .[The] Zionist[s] blackmail[ed]. . .Nelson Rockefeller. . .Reuven Shiloah, Ben-Gurion's intelligence chief. . . masterminded the operation. . .[W]hen the Zionists confronted Rockefeller, (he) skimmed through the dossier and coolly began to bargain. In return for the votes of the Latin American block, he wanted guarantees that the Jews would keep their mouths shut about the flow of Nazi money and fugitives to South America. There would be no Zionist Nazi-hunting unit, no testimony at Nuremberg about the bankers or anyone else, not a single leak to the press about where the Nazis were living in South America or which Nazis were working for Dulles. The subject of the Nazis was closed. Period. Forever. . .[T]he price for the margin (of votes) of safety [for the admission of the new nation of Israel to the UN] was steep. In effect, the extra votes for passage in the UN were bought with the blood of 6 million Jewish victims of the Holocaust. . .The Zionists' success at the UN General Assembly did not end the danger to their cause. There was no guarantee that the Jews would not be double-crossed. They knew that Forrestal, the Dulleses, and their other enemies would not give up. And they could not blackmail them all. . .' (Loftus and Aarons 165-71).""
For some reason Constance appears to be showing only you courtesy while she ignores the rest of the guests at her New Age discussion party who either walk out the door out of frustration or try to discourteously break into your continuous yammers.
You said: "Who would be at the very top? Who holds the most financial power!"
Whoever has the most weapons holds the most power. *That* balance of power is shifting from West to East, and fairly rapidly.
All those people you mentioned have a certain type of influence, but they do NOT control anything like an army, or who pushes the buttons to launch missiles, or anything of the sort.
Most of the New Age sites I've seen are very anti-war. That they might some day back a war against Christians will only show off their hypocrisy, as the actions of most liberals do now.
The ones at the top MAKE THE DECISIONS, and then tell or maneuver the elected and appointed people what to do, unless there is enough public pressure that the elected leaders are worried about re-election.
The New Age Movement and the New World Order are not identical, but heavily overlap. The NAM incl. a lot of people who are anarchistic, and can be of use against some NWO schemes like Agenda 21 and other kinds of totalitarianism.
After all, someone thinking he or she is a god, doesn't want other "gods" moving in on their turf.
In a nutshell.
The latest phase of the takedown of moderate/secular islamic govt. is going on, the rebels are partly Syrian, mostly foreign mercenaries and support from al-Qaeda and connected similar groups.
Assad is a moderate. So he has to go.
Syrian rebels have apparently used some nerve gas, though there are some questions about symptoms being consistent with that, and someone pointed out an announcement went out a day before it happened, but that could be the effect of Earth being round and it being yesterday in point A while it is today in point B.
Russia and China support Assad, Iran has sent in 80,000 Hezbollah troops, because anti Assad forces are Sunni and aggressive and will attack the Shia muslims in Syria if they get in charge. Russia is watching this wild scene unfold on its southern border, one online commenter compared this to us seeing civil war with all kind of outsiders getting into it blowing up in Mexico. Russia has 90,000 troops on the ground in Syria, and warships in position which can launch missiles and planes. Ditto USA. China has received permission to come through the Suez Canal, and if not there now soon will be.
Obama is teetering to military intervention, having told the Pentagon to work up a plan for this.
That is the current situation.
Then maybe you are brilliant and the only one you can reach with your brilliance is Cumbey and she lets you go on and on because she is learning from you.
But the NAM is heavily populated by people who are strictly non aligned to anything but lining their pockets, good old fashioned snake oil seller type capitalists. The typical New Ager is sitting around meditating and many are into an anarchistic lifestyle back to nature, revive supposedly peaceful indigenous peoples' religions and so forth, which would of course play a role in opposing Christianity. But not in creating a totalitarian system. Too fragmented. And want it that way.
HOWEVER fighting for indigenous peoples' concerns can be an excuse for measures that are creating block by block a one world kind of building.
That's just one of many examples.
David Icke is a classic example, since he constantly fights against the socio political manifestations of fascism, and has a lot of good info against the NWO, but his proposed solution is to realize your own godhood and opt out of the system thereby, not realizing that the evil one is behind this false light, and can use such people to support supposedly peaceful unification measures that would ultimately attack Christians.
Or maybe he does realize it, and only cares that organized religion be destroyed and doesn't worry that maybe all freedom might go down the drain.
A lot of occultists and healing oriented types don't like the "dark side," and have yet to understand that what they THINK is the light side is just part of the dark side but in a make nice style.
The average person wallowing in tarot cards, meditation and so forth is probably not going to be politically relevant. But those who ARE politically relevant are increasingly into these things.
At the top is a kind of satanic elite.
The peacenik crowd would contribute to the UN related plans, and some might even oppose persecution of Christians on the grounds of it not being loving or respecting of individual rights to believe as one sees fit especially since all is true supposedly.
The more down and dirty kind would, however, profit from the peacenik support of various measures that are "for the earth" or whatever, and definitely be able to outgun them if they posed a problem.
Go teach Constance Cumbey what the New Age movement is about. She has spent 30 plus years documenting it as I have and if what you wrote was truth, no one at the University of Michigan would have asked to archive her material.
Infowolf1, how many websites have you disrupted today?
I, too, can cut and paste, so read this and see the parallels between what is happening today and the totalitarian government described in the book.
Themes are the fundamental and often universal ideas explored in a literary work.
The Dangers of Totalitarianism
1984 is a political novel written with the purpose of warning readers in the West of the dangers of totalitarian government. Having witnessed firsthand the horrific lengths to which totalitarian governments in Spain and Russia would go in order to sustain and increase their power, Orwell designed 1984 to sound the alarm in Western nations still unsure about how to approach the rise of communism. In 1949, the Cold War had not yet escalated, many American intellectuals supported communism, and the state of diplomacy between democratic and communist nations was highly ambiguous. In the American press, the Soviet Union was often portrayed as a great moral experiment. Orwell, however, was deeply disturbed by the widespread cruelties and oppressions he observed in communist countries, and seems to have been particularly concerned by the role of technology in enabling oppressive governments to monitor and control their citizens.
In 1984, Orwell portrays the perfect totalitarian society, the most extreme realization imaginable of a modern-day government with absolute power. The title of the novel was meant to indicate to its readers in 1949 that the story represented a real possibility for the near future: if totalitarianism were not opposed, the title suggested, some variation of the world described in the novel could become a reality in only thirty-five years. Orwell portrays a state in which government monitors and controls every aspect of human life to the extent that even having a disloyal thought is against the law. As the novel progresses, the timidly rebellious Winston Smith sets out to challenge the limits of the Party’s power, only to discover that its ability to control and enslave its subjects dwarfs even his most paranoid conceptions of its reach. As the reader comes to understand through Winston’s eyes, The Party uses a number of techniques to control its citizens, each of which is an important theme of its own in the novel. These include:
The Party barrages its subjects with psychological stimuli designed to overwhelm the mind’s capacity for independent thought. The giant telescreen in every citizen’s room blasts a constant stream of propaganda designed to make the failures and shortcomings of the Party appear to be triumphant successes. The telescreens also monitor behavior—everywhere they go, citizens are continuously reminded, especially by means of the omnipresent signs reading “BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU,” that the authorities are scrutinizing them. The Party undermines family structure by inducting children into an organization called the Junior Spies, which brainwashes and encourages them to spy on their parents and report any instance of disloyalty to the Party. The Party also forces individuals to suppress their sexual desires, treating sex as merely a procreative duty whose end is the creation of new Party members. The Party then channels people’s pent-up frustration and emotion into intense, ferocious displays of hatred against the Party’s political enemies. Many of these enemies have been invented by the Party expressly for this purpose.
In addition to manipulating their minds, the Party also controls the bodies of its subjects. The Party constantly watches for any sign of disloyalty, to the point that, as Winston observes, even a tiny facial twitch could lead to an arrest. A person’s own nervous system becomes his greatest enemy. The Party forces its members to undergo mass morning exercises called the Physical Jerks, and then to work long, grueling days at government agencies, keeping people in a general state of exhaustion. Anyone who does manage to defy the Party is punished and “reeducated” through systematic and brutal torture. After being subjected to weeks of this intense treatment, Winston himself comes to the conclusion that nothing is more powerful than physical pain—no emotional loyalty or moral conviction can overcome it. By conditioning the minds of their victims with physical torture, the Party is able to control reality, convincing its subjects that 2 + 2 = 5.
Control of Information and History
The Party controls every source of information, managing and rewriting the content of all newspapers and histories for its own ends. The Party does not allow individuals to keep records of their past, such as photographs or documents. As a result, memories become fuzzy and unreliable, and citizens become perfectly willing to believe whatever the Party tells them. By controlling the present, the Party is able to manipulate the past. And in controlling the past, the Party can justify all of its actions in the present.
By means of telescreens and hidden microphones across the city, the Party is able to monitor its members almost all of the time. Additionally, the Party employs complicated mechanisms (1984 was written in the era before computers) to exert large-scale control on economic production and sources of information, and fearsome machinery to inflict torture upon those it deems enemies. 1984 reveals that technology, which is generally perceived as working toward moral good, can also facilitate the most diabolical evil.
Language as Mind Control
One of Orwell’s most important messages in 1984 is that language is of central importance to human thought because it structures and limits the ideas that individuals are capable of formulating and expressing. If control of language were centralized in a political agency, Orwell proposes, such an agency could possibly alter the very structure of language to make it impossible to even conceive of disobedient or rebellious thoughts, because there would be no words with which to think them. This idea manifests itself in the language of Newspeak, which the Party has introduced to replace English. The Party is constantly refining and perfecting Newspeak, with the ultimate goal that no one will be capable of conceptualizing anything that might question the Party’s absolute power.
Interestingly, many of Orwell’s ideas about language as a controlling force have been modified by writers and critics seeking to deal with the legacy of colonialism. During colonial times, foreign powers took political and military control of distant regions and, as a part of their occupation, instituted their own language as the language of government and business. Postcolonial writers often analyze or redress the damage done to local populations by the loss of language and the attendant loss of culture and historical connection.
Motifs are recurring structures, contrasts, and literary devices that can help to develop and inform the text’s major themes.
The idea of “doublethink” emerges as an important consequence of the Party’s massive campaign of large-scale psychological manipulation. Simply put, doublethink is the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in one’s mind at the same time. As the Party’s mind-control techniques break down an individual’s capacity for independent thought, it becomes possible for that individual to believe anything that the Party tells them, even while possessing information that runs counter to what they are being told. At the Hate Week rally, for instance, the Party shifts its diplomatic allegiance, so the nation it has been at war with suddenly becomes its ally, and its former ally becomes its new enemy. When the Party speaker suddenly changes the nation he refers to as an enemy in the middle of his speech, the crowd accepts his words immediately, and is ashamed to find that it has made the wrong signs for the event. In the same way, people are able to accept the Party ministries’ names, though they contradict their functions: the Ministry of Plenty oversees economic shortages, the Ministry of Peace wages war, the Ministry of Truth conducts propaganda and historical revisionism, and the Ministry of Love is the center of the Party’s operations of torture and punishment.
Urban decay proves a pervasive motif in 1984. The London that Winston Smith calls home is a dilapidated, rundown city in which buildings are crumbling, conveniences such as elevators never work, and necessities such as electricity and plumbing are extremely unreliable. Though Orwell never discusses the theme openly, it is clear that the shoddy disintegration of London, just like the widespread hunger and poverty of its inhabitants, is due to the Party’s mismanagement and incompetence. One of the themes of 1984, inspired by the history of twentieth-century communism, is that totalitarian regimes are viciously effective at enhancing their own power and miserably incompetent at providing for their citizens. The grimy urban decay in London is an important visual reminder of this idea, and offers insight into the Party’s priorities through its contrast to the immense technology the Party develops to spy on its citizens.
Symbols are objects, characters, figures, and colors used to represent abstract ideas or concepts.
Throughout London, Winston sees posters showing a man gazing down over the words “BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU” everywhere he goes. Big Brother is the face of the Party. The citizens are told that he is the leader of the nation and the head of the Party, but Winston can never determine whether or not he actually exists. In any case, the face of Big Brother symbolizes the Party in its public manifestation; he is a reassurance to most people (the warmth of his name suggests his ability to protect), but he is also an open threat (one cannot escape his gaze). Big Brother also symbolizes the vagueness with which the higher ranks of the Party present themselves—it is impossible to know who really rules Oceania, what life is like for the rulers, or why they act as they do. Winston thinks he remembers that Big Brother emerged around 1960, but the Party’s official records date Big Brother’s existence back to 1930, before Winston was even born.
The Glass Paperweight and St. Clement’s Church
By deliberately weakening people’s memories and flooding their minds with propaganda, the Party is able to replace individuals’ memories with its own version of the truth. It becomes nearly impossible for people to question the Party’s power in the present when they accept what the Party tells them about the past—that the Party arose to protect them from bloated, oppressive capitalists, and that the world was far uglier and harsher before the Party came to power. Winston vaguely understands this principle. He struggles to recover his own memories and formulate a larger picture of what has happened to the world. Winston buys a paperweight in an antique store in the prole district that comes to symbolize his attempt to reconnect with the past. Symbolically, when the Thought Police arrest Winston at last, the paperweight shatters on the floor.
The old picture of St. Clement’s Church in the room that Winston rents above Mr. Charrington’s shop is another representation of the lost past. Winston associates a song with the picture that ends with the words “Here comes the chopper to chop off your head!” This is an important foreshadow, as it is the telescreen hidden behind the picture that ultimately leads the Thought Police to Winston, symbolizing the Party’s corrupt control of the past.
The Place Where There Is No Darkness
Throughout the novel Winston imagines meeting O’Brien in “the place where there is no darkness.” The words first come to him in a dream, and he ponders them for the rest of the novel. Eventually, Winston does meet O’Brien in the place where there is no darkness; instead of being the paradise Winston imagined, it is merely a prison cell in which the light is never turned off. The idea of “the place where there is no darkness” symbolizes Winston’s approach to the future: possibly because of his intense fatalism (he believes that he is doomed no matter what he does), he unwisely allows himself to trust O’Brien, even though inwardly he senses that O’Brien might be a Party operative.
The omnipresent telescreens are the book’s most visible symbol of the Party’s constant monitoring of its subjects. In their dual capability to blare constant propaganda and observe citizens, the telescreens also symbolize how totalitarian government abuses technology for its own ends instead of exploiting its knowledge to improve civilization.
The Red-Armed Prole Woman
The red-armed prole woman whom Winston hears singing through the window represents Winston’s one legitimate hope for the long-term future: the possibility that the proles will eventually come to recognize their plight and rebel against the Party. Winston sees the prole woman as a prime example of reproductive virility; he often imagines her giving birth to the future generations that will finally challenge the Party’s authority.
And with this I have taken up less space than Infowolf 1 has used.
One World Government - New World Order - totalitarianism
One World Religion -
The Party barrages its subjects with psychological stimuli designed to overwhelm the mind’s capacity for independent thought.
With over 3,000 organizations linked to New Age in the middle of the '80s, I think anyone can see the barrage of psychological stimuli referred to.
Honey, I was there before the books came out. Those of us who know what is going on have your bio.
anon 2:00 am, why don't you tell me my bio, instead of asking me about it, since you claim to have it already?
Crisis = Opportunity anyone?
Here’s the link:
However, more pertinent to the subject of Constance’s post is the missing portion of Marx Hubbard’s words (they went a bit beyond the scope of above link). Here’s the relevant portion:
In order for “Eve” to marry Christ, one’s body must be prepared to transform, to regenerate itself. (Eve as used her does not just represent woman, but rather Eve-consciousness, the phase of self-centered Homo Sapiens that both sexes have experienced since the dawn of humanity. I identifiy with Eve as a creature-human who is seeking reunion with God.)
If we are approaching a new “normalcy,” normalizing in ourselves what Christ could do, as the next stage in our evolution, then do we have the innate ability, as proto-universal species, to “become mothers to ourselves,” giving birth to ourselves as fully evolved humans?
Is this androgyny?
Is co-creative suprasexuality meant to regenerated our bodies, so that we can live up to our motivation to become universal beings? Is this the ultimate meaning of all our research into aging and disease?
She then relates her own “birth” experience, her subsequent revelation that the meaning was that all have the “Christ-light” inside, which is followed by:
The Christ “act” – to do the work that he did – is a new kind of resurrection and transformation at the dawn of the next stage of evolution.
The marriage of Christ and Eve happens at the Second Coming. It is in real time, like his birth. It is an event in history.
Note that MSoG adherents claim that Christ is only going to return for a perfected bride, therefore implying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb occurs on earth rather than in heaven.
Marx Hubbard elaborates on the term “supra-sexuality” here:
The Book of Co-Creation: The Revelation, Our Crisis is a Birth, Foundation for Conscious Evolution, Sonoma, CA, 1993 (first edition), p 56 [also in The Revelation: A Message of Hope for the New Millennium, Nataraj Publishing, Novato, CA, 1995, p 59]
Note that the interview referenced in the preceding comment was from 1993, the date of the book.
Good stuff. Are you aware of any similarities between MSoG and David Eells' teachings (Unleavened Bread Ministries)? I seem to remember reading somewhere that he teaches something similar. Or maybe he taught that in the past, and now doesn't teach it anymore.
Also, I have a couple of recordings of some talks by Barbara Marx Hubbard from the late 80s (Seattle Unity Church), if you are interested in listening to them and getting anything from them. I haven't listened to them in their entirety yet, but I'm sure they'd be worth checking out, just for hearing what she was saying almost 30 years ago. Let me know if you're interested.
How informative it would be to know why anyone should trust your continuous taking over this website without any credentials on your part.
Sorry, I've never heard of Eells or Unleavened Bread Ministries. However, if he's taught it in the past, then I'm pretty sure he's still teaching it, though likely in a more veiled form. This is the common tactic after MSoG had been exposed pretty heavily. Sort of the same thing with New Age terminology, eh?
Yes, I'd be interested in the BMH tapes. You can contact me on my blog in the "About" tab.
infowolf1 on a google search is less trouble than writing harassing harangues. How about your credentials or anyone else's?
It is easy to extract key words from my rants and use them as search terms. People should learn to do their own research.
I have already posted a link to my blog on several occasions. Go find it.
As someone here supporting me once said, I must be doing something right with these people attacking me.
Now, I talk so much because I care about the subject. It is easy to do more research on these things. The only times I have bothered to talk about myself, was when it was relevant to a point being made or to something someone said.
Frankly, you could post any name you want and a full bio and it could all be lies and you would still be anonymous effectively.
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