Friday, August 12, 2011

How the New Agers view the world -- they've conquered The West!

I was frankly searching the web for connections between the Institute of Noetic Sciences and Jeremy Rifkin after reading of recently deceased Mark Hatfield's 'Stewardship Paradigm,  The concept as expressed in STAND ALONE OR COME HOME, a political biography of Mark Hatfield, is clearly of IONS and Jeremy Rifkin origins.  Mark Hatfield and Paul N. Temple had a close relationship.

In searching, I came upon this personal compilation by an online New Age activist which lays out the Movement and its progress from a New Ager's perspective.  He thinks they have "conquered the West."  It does not purport to be an "official statement," but it well encapsulates much of what I have seen.  Amusingly, I think he even borrowed some language and summations from my HIDDEN DANGERS book which you can thereafter read for "the real scope" of the New Age Movement and its increasingly not so hidden dangers!

The New Age Movement (NAM) is a revival of spiritual and divine values and can be called as a Divine Regeneration Movement. New Age Philosophy has conquered the West intellectually and Western culture is currently experiencing a phenomenal shift - sociological, spiritual & ideological. It’s a secular, multi-cultural, multi-religious synthesis, of the Oriental mystical philosophies, mainly Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism & Western Occultism, emphasising Holism, the doctrine that Reality is organically One ( now taught in American Universities after Einstein’s Theory of Relativity ).

Behind the evolution of the species, there is an evolution of Consciousness. The aim of Life is Self-Actualisation, to evolve to the level of Unity Consciousness, defined as the 7th state of Consciousness in Transcendental Philosophy.

The social disturbance caused by the Vietnam War, the threat posed by AIDS, the disillusionment with materialistic ideas and the erosion of faith in Morality & Ethics brought a sense of futility & meaninglessness in the Western psyche.The limitations of the Western system of Chemotherapy & adverse side-effects of antibiotics, sedatives and certain other drugs and the disillusionment with the promises of science & technology made millions turn to Oriental philosophies, occult practices & systems of therapy.( Interest in Alternative Medicine developed to such an extent that there are now more than 180 systems of Alternative Medicine. 

Exponents of New Age Philosophy in Europe and America include Transcendentalists like Thoreau, Emerson & Walt Whitman, Wordsworth, Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772), , & Theosophy introduced by Madame Helena Blavatsky (1831- 1891) & Col Olcott & the philosopher, Annie Besant. As the world witnessed a Consciousness Revolution, Transcendental Meditation, Yoga ,Zen, Carlos Castaada, the Beatles, Holistic Medicine ( both Western and Ayurveda ), Tantra, Astrology ( both Western & Vedic ) all became popular .

There are 6 million New Age sites on the Web and the NAM consists of a massive & well organised network consisting of thousands of groups, trusts, foundations, clubs, lodges, and spiritual groups whose goal and purpose is to prepare the world to enter the coming Aquarian Age. ( The Age of Aquarius ). In astrological symbolism, Aquarius represents Spirituality and Pisces Rationality. The Piscean Age, an age of Computer and Cybernetics revolution, will be followed by an Age of Consciousness Revolution or a Spiritual Revolution, the Aquarian Age.

Some New Age Organisations are : California New Age Caucus, New World Alliance, World Goodwill, The Church Universal and Triumphant, The Theosophical Society, Amnesty International, Zero Population Growth, the Forum, Planetary Initiative for the World We Choose, the Club of Rome, Church Universal & Triumphant, Christian Science, and the Unity School of Christianity.

New Age believes in the essential goodness of Man and the Divine Spark in Man and the New Age movement is not a unified cult system of beliefs and practices, even though its roots derive from Vedic Philosophy. There is no central authority, no official leader, no headquarters, nor membership list, but instead is a network of groups working toward World Peace and Universal Love. There are millions of worldwide followers of various New Age practices and the world is moving from Chaos ( Disorder ) to Cosmos ( Order ) ! This is a Phase Transition from Entropy ( Disorder ) to Order !

Significant influence has been gained by NAM affecting almost every area of Occidental culture — Sociology, Psychology, Medicine, the Government, Ecology, Science, Arts, Education, the Business Community, the media, entertainment, sports, and even the Church. Organised spiritual forms such as Christian Science, Unity and even forms of Witchcraft ( from the German ’ Wicca’ meaning the Wise; Witchcraft means the Craft of the Wise ) are all its expressions. Various Human Potential Seminars, Transcendental Meditation, Zen Meditation and some Alternative Holistic Medicine practices are also its manifold manifestations.

Some popular New Age publications and journals are New Age Journal, the Z Files, Clarity, Body Mind Spirit, Yoga Journal, Gnosis, East West, Noetic Sciences, the Millenium Being and Omega. The new tendency of people now is to view everything from a New Age perspective

The major goal of the New Age Movement is to prepare Man for entering the Aquarian Age and to bring world peace in an already bruised world. “All is wrong with the world” said Shaw & some of the other goals of the NAM are to establish an entirely New World Order in the fields of Economy & Government. The idea of a World Government was proposed by Bernard Shaw earlier and was implemented by Mahesh Yogi and occurs in the writings of the foundational apostle of the New Age Movement, Alice Bailey.

The word ‘Initiation” is derived from the Latin “In ire” to go within and Initiates were termed by the Great Master as the salt of the Earth. The mystic Ward defined Reality as “Within and within and within and within” . Another mystic described it as “It is hidden, it is hidden and it is hidden”. To the mystic, self evolution is the means and only by changing and correcting ourselves can we change others . The primary goals of the movement then, are to prepare the world to receive the Divine Consciousness and to enter the Age of Aquarius, thus establishing the New World Order.

New Age Philosophy believes that human evolution can be accelerated, if not in the entire mass of humanity, at least in suitable individuals. Human nature is perfectible, through an intensive process of purification and Initiation.

The New Age Movement is secular & universally diffused over the earth’s surface & its basic underlying philosophy emphasises Gnosticism and Occultism. (Gnosticism is an ancient philosophy stating that Divine essence is the highest reality, and that the Self of man is actually this Essence. Behind the phenomenal world is the Transcendent Reality which Intuition alone can see ). It bears a remarkable resemblance to the Universal Religion that H.G. Wells predicted would one day take over the world.

The six main characteristics of New Age thinking are: (1) All is Unity; (2) All is Divine (3) Humanity is divine (4) A change in Consciousness; (5) All religions are One; and (6) Cosmic Evolutionary optimism.
Basically Dialectical Integralism, New Age Philosophy unites both Matter and Spirit.

Spirit shall see through Matter’s gaze

Matter shall reveal the Spirit’s face !

The 13 main principles of New Age Philosophy are:

(1) One Global Order - One World Governement, One Currency, One Universal Being.

(2) Universal Energy, Universal Matter, Universal Life, Universal Soul As God

(3) An Eternal Universe - Uniform in Space and Unending in Time

(4) Divine practices ( Astrology Yoga & other esoteric arts)

(5) Syncretism ( Unity of all Religions ).

(6) The need for Meditation ( for generating altered states of Consciousness );

(7) Life is Cyclical- Everything is cyclical, subject to the cyclical upheavals of Time.

(8) Holistic Medicine & Vegetarianism (The patient is more important than the Doctor & Alkaline diet)

(9) Pacifism ( Anti-war activities);

(10) Reincarnation; ( The Law of Conservation of Soul )

(11) The Evolution of Man into Divinity; ( The latent Life Force evolving naturally to the Divine )

(12) The Union of Man with the Divine; ( Merger of man into the Infinite )

(13) Matter’s Illusoriness; - Esse est percipii - Perception is Essence; Mind is Substance.

The practices of the New Age are psychic practices like : Astrology, Reiki, Bioenergy, Chi energy, Chakras, Nirvana, Christ- Consciousness,Spiritualism, Native American Spirituality, Prajna, Out-of-body/near- death experiences, Reincarnation, Yoga, Meditation and the occult disciplines, as well as psychotherapeutic techniques and scientific applications of the healing powers of crystals and pyramids.
Some commonly used New Age terms are: Quantum Healing, Transmutation, Transfiguration, Guided Imagery, Reincarnation; Positive Thinking; Human Potential; Holistic; Holographic; Synergistic; Unity; Oneness; Transformation; Awakening; Networking; Communal Sharing; One-world/globalism/new world order (i.e., One language, One Government, One currency, One religion); Cosmic Consciousness; Zodiac, etc.

Some New Age practices are: Transcendental Meditation, Parapsychology, Inner healing; Biofeedback; Yoga; I Ching; Reflexology; Therapeutic Touch; Transpersonal Psychology; Witchcraft; ; Magick; Tai Chi; Shamanism; Hypnotherapy; Acupuncture/Acupressure; Martial arts; Zen; Relaxation; Silva Method (formerly Silva Mind Control); Visualization; etc.
Some prominent New Agers are: Jeremy Rifkin, Norman Cousins, Elizabeth Clare Prophet, John Denver, George Lucas, Norman Lear, Alice Bailey, Alvin Toffler, Dr. Barbara Ray, Benjamin Creme, Levi Dowling, George Trevelyan, Fritjof Capra, Abraham Maslow, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Ruth Montgomery, Shirley MacLaine, J.Z. Knight, Marilyn Ferguson and David Spangler.

Soothing audio environments are created by New Age musicians and they believe rightly that Music has psycho-therapeutic properties. ( This concept is derived from the Vedic Philosophy that All music is Samaveda, the 4th Veda of the Indians ). Born of an interest in spirituality and healing in the late 1970s, it is often used as an aid in meditation.

Essentially meditative, New Age Music is soothing to the Soul. Isnt Music defined as the food for the Soul ? Harmonic consonance, uplifting themes, contemplative melodies & nonlinear song forms are the characteristics of New Age music. Even natural sounds or sounds from Nature and traditional electronic instruments are used by New Age musicians. With roots in classical music or Eastern Music, New Age music is often meditative. Prominent New Age musicians include vocalist Liz Story; harpist Andreas Vollenweider, electric violinist Jean-Luc Ponty , electronic-music pioneer Brian Eno, multi-instrumentalist Kitaro & solo-piano artist George Winston.

New Age practices have almost conquered the world. Athletes are using guided imagery. Graduate schools of business are invoking T M, Yoga, and Tarot cards in teaching courses on creativity in business (e.g., Stanford Graduate School of Business). Based upon Astrology, the Science of Time, stock market gurus employ Fibonacci numbers and “Wave Theory” in their forecasting.

We can summarise that the term New Age is an innovative term derived from the mother of all sciences, Astrology, indicating that this earth is undergoing an evolutionary transitional phase from the Piscean Age of Scientism to the Aquarian Age of Divine Wisdome, Cosmic Consciousness , Knowledge and Love.
Since the New Age is a conglomeration of spiritual practices, let us analyse the basic principles of N A M

1. The Divine Source of Authority. New Agers do not claim any source of authority — Only Inspiration by the Divine. By the Divine we mean a principle within, the Divine Spark or the Self and many are there who receive the revealations of the Self within or the intuitive insights of the Self.

2. The Lord. - Since Matter and Energy can neither be created or destroyed and the sum total energy in the Universe is an absolute constant ( Universal Being ), the Lord did not create the world, He became the world. Monism —( “All is Unity” ) averrs that there is only One Essence in the universe, everyone and everything being a part of that essence. The Self is an utter Being and all these are its Becomings. New Agers view God as an Impersonal Life force, Consciousness, or Energy (e.g., the “Star Wars Force”) mainly but they also believe in His personal aspect, as the Ocean ( which is Formless ) can take the form of an iceberg! They averr that every human has a divine spark within him because all created beings are reflections of the Divine Idea. The eternal state is called by various terms among different New Age groups, i.e., God-consciousness, Universal Love, Self-Realization, the I AM, Higher Self, Brahman, Nirvana, etc.

2. The Redeemer, Jesus Christ. Christ Consciousness or the Divine Consciousness is what the New Age advocates mean by Christ. . In other words, Christ is a Divine Principle rather than an individual, such as Jesus. This idea of Christ Consciousness asserts that Jesus was only one of the Christs, but that He equipped Himself to receive the Christ Consciousness (i.e., He was a great Master who attained Christ Consciousness), as did other prophets like Buddha, Krishna, and Mohammed. New Agers believe Dr Paul Brunton who stated the Jesus spent 18 years in India absorbing Indian Mysticism and that he was initiated into the highest esoteric doctrine.
3. Human Destiny. Man is the measure of all things and is more divine than the animals & hence the salvation of the world depends upon Man. Cleansing the negative elements from the collective subconscient should be the aim of humanity. Once Negativity is cleaned from the collective subconscient, the human positive energy will shine forth and the noble ideals of the New Age will be actualised in an era of Enlightenment. Since man is intrinsically divine and perfect, his only real problem is ignorance of that fact. Gnosis means experiential knowledge and Salvation in the New Age is for man to become enlightened through this Divine Gnosis. New Age groups offer various spiritual techniques to enable individuals, and ultimately the world, to evolve into this Unitive Consciousness . These techniques may include psychotechnologies for attaining altered states of consciousness - Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, Zen, Attunement , Channeling (Spirit guides), Psychics, Acupuncture, etc.

4. The Ethical Opposites, Good & Evil - Believing in the Oriental philosophies, New Agers make the distinction between good and evil. All wickedness is weakness and Evil is imperfection. By the method of Trial and Error, we come to know what is good and what is bad for the world and we have to transcend the dualities.
5. Reincarnation. New Agers believe in the ancient Vedic philosophic concept of Reincarnation — that through a long process of rebirths, man can eventually attain Divine perfection. They also teach the Universal Law of Karma —(( The Law of Cause and Effect ( Every effect has a cause ), the Law of Action and Reaction, the Law of Retribution ))- that what a person sows , he shall reap. This is also the doctrine of God’s non-responsibility, that the Self is not responsible and it is the Ego which experiences bitter & sweet mental experiences due to its own Karma.
6.Salvation is Self-Actualisation and Sin is Ignorance - Some theoreticians taught the concept of Man’s Original Sin. New Age exponents teach the concept of man’s essential goodness. Instead of systems which emphasised the human negative aspect and sin, New Age highlights that every man is essentially divine and it is a sin to call man a sinner ! However, New Agers speak of troublesome desires which are natural impulses which retard human evolution and make the Ego move away from the Self. Sin is merely ignorance of man’s essential divinity. The atrophied spiritual consciousness of the normal man who lives in ignorance of his Divine Self is Sin. Like the Law of Conservation of Energy which states that Energy cannot be created or destroyed, the Law of Conservation of Soul states that the Soul can neither be created nor destroyed. Matter exists in 3 states, liquid, gaseous and solid and matter cannot be created or destroyed. Nothing ever begins to be. Similarly Life does not at physical birth begin to be. It merely enters physical conditions and assumes physical guise. It merely undergoes a parallel transformation into conditions which preexisted in other conditions. The Soul is reincarnated in different bodies in a continous succession of lives. The good or bad Karma earned in the present lifetime determines one’s subsequent incarnation. Attaining higher states of Consciousness should be our aim.There are many different paths to the goal of Divine perfection and we should be tolerant of other paths.

The divine Aurobindo predicted that spiritual influences from India will trigger off a global spiritual movement.There will be Mass Incarnations ( many people divinely inspired ) who will work for World Peace and Universal Love !

I saw them cross the twilight of the Age

The massive barrier breakers of this world

The sun-eyed children of a marvellous dawn

The architects of immortality

Carrying the magic Word, the mystic Fire

Carrying the Dionysian Cup of Joy !

The four systems of Philosophy which triggered the N A M are Hinduism, a product of 5,000 years of development, Buddhism, circa 560 B.C., Taoism, circa 500 B.C & Druidism, circa 300 B.C, the religion of the Celts, which extended upto the Middle Ages.
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I came across this a few years ago when doing a different search (as I recall it was "brian eno" + noetic science). It's quite possible the info is even older than that as the list of individual New Agers seems dated -- especially with the inclusion of John Denver who passed away in '97.
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I love watching the Perseids! It's probably the best meteor shower of the year. The moon makes it hard to see the dimmer ones, but the bright ones are spectacular!
Interesting re "The Hi-jacking of Evangelicalism":

I just looked and downloaded the 2008 Three Swallows Foundation 990 report. It is the latest on file that the database, at least, shows. It was filed in 2010 with an extension. The "International Foundation" (Doug Coe) received $197,208.

The THREE SWALLOWS FOUNDATION is the philanthropic organization of IONS co-founder Paul N. Temple. (IONS = INSTITUTE OF NOETIC SCIENCES). IONS itself was given close to $50,000 as were other varied New Age causes including the CHALICE CHURCH. Campus Crusade for Christ got $20,000. Other checks were written to Prison Fellowship ($1,000)(founded by Chuck Colson, now headed by Michael Timmis). The HERITAGE FOUNDATION had a check of $350.00. There were some medical research donations. You can view it for yourself by going to this link:

Paul N. Temple was the one who really put together the Gold Lake doings between Christians and New Agers back in 1987. It was, per David Spangler, the "latest of several . . ."

Another link to find the 990 reports:

Constance (and others):

I find it interesting that Campus Crusade for Christ (which now goes by the name "CRU" because the old name was too "old-fashioned"....) received $20,000 from Paul Temple.

$350 I don't consider significant, but $20,000??

Here's a question that's been rolling around in my head the past few weeks:

How far do we carry "guilt-by-association"?

For example, Brannon Howse has been critical of the "The Response" gathering last weekend, because some of the leadership who attended or who promoted it are mixed up in the New Apostolic Reformation heresy. (Yes, heresy.) But... does that mean it was worthy of boycotting?

And if Paul Temple happens to give some money to a good charity, does that make that charity suspect? Do we then assume that the charity has been "bought out" and is now on the Dark Side?

We are finding ourselves in times where we don't know who to trust, and who not to. I guess my guideline more and more (and I hope to get to the point where it's my *only* guideline) is to try and yield so much of my life to God, that His Spirit whispers into my soul what to stay away from.

Knowing His Word is key in that endeavor. Is it fair to say that the more I focus my time and energy on looking into other things (dark secrets, etc), and not into His Word, the less discerning I will be? In other words, in trying to become informed and MORE discerning, can I actually become LESS?

Just a few questions to think upon. This is NOT a rock tossed in your direction, Constance. I (and SOOOOO many others) are grateful for all the work you have done and the life sacrifices you have made to make known to the world the dangers that seek to deceive and destroy. All of what you have warned about and probably more are on our doorsteps. We will need God and His words and His Spirit like never before.
Very close results in the Iowa Straw Poll...

Michele Bachman: 4,823 votes
Ron Paul: 4,671 votes
I came to understand the "New Apostolic" group more after a description that it is like Rick Warren's group,
in that it is Dominionist. It is important to understand that the Millenium and God's kingdom will come about through Him. Him and not us, although He works through us. A fine distinction, but to expect heaven on earth through our efforts is not...well, I don't want to say Biblical, since someone used that term to criticize something I said. Not Kosher? Maybe that's less biting.

It is interesting that the Iowa straw poll produced high marks for Tea Party types Bachmann and Paul
and I guess #3 Pawlenty is "Kosher" although I do not know if he is a T-Party person. Fourth was Santorum, definitely Kosher in his faith, then Cain.
Was actually a VERY pleasant watch, with good commentators such as Joe Trippy and Huckabee as well as Sean Hannity in one of his more jovial moods.
Nice to see Huckabee doing SO well with his "gig".


You need to read my old articles on THE HIJACKING OF EVANGELICALISM up both on this blog and on NEWSWITHVIEWS.COM. Campus Crusade, Conservative Baptist Seminary of Denver, EMNR and others had cooperated in various New Age endeavors. I really could not figure out what had happened until I got to the Paul Temple connection. He had, like the Moonies, purchased silence and opposition to anti-New Age efforts.

Campus Crusade usually got such checks from Paul Temple. Moreover, Bill Bright got the $1 Million Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion Reward in 1996. Templeton, like Paul Temple was a dedicated New Age believer and activist.

The agenda was to co-opt, gain support and/or buy silence and marginalizing those speaking out against it.

I don't like everything about the Tea Party, but so far I very much like Michele Bachmann who strikes me as an intensely Godly and sincere, truth-seeking woman.

Thanks Constance.... I'll check them out. I think they've been on my "to read" list, but fell off the radar. So much to learn, so little time! But like I said, I'm feeling led to pull back from some of that and focus on God's Word alone. "Where He leads me, I will follow..."
Amen, Marko
I hear so many people say things like;
"I just don't know God's will for me",
or "I wish God would just speak to me
about it", or, "I don't know what God
expects me to do" etc etc, and
meanwhile there's a Bible sitting
on their shelf with dust all over it...

The Bible spells out His will for His
people and explains in great detail
what He requires and intends for us.

It's a big book.
It's His will and His Law and His
testament to us. God's people reading
His Word really makes the Devil
nervous, and furious.

I'm plowing through it right now
for the third time. It should be the
three hundreth time.
The answers to questions come
pouring out. His will becomes clearer.
Oh sure there's always someone
who will warn you about spiritual
pride, and that "It's not enough
just to read it", etc.

I feel like I know all I need to know
about the NAM, which is just paganism
anyway. They hate God. They lie, cheat
and steal. They are quite a crowd.
But God can only use us to the
extent that we know about HIM.

Picture a Bible and think of these words:
"Behold, I stand at the door and
knock. If anyone hears my voice and
opens the door, I will come in to
him and sup with him, and he with me."

_a few verses before that He says:
"I council thee to buy from me gold
tried in the fire." (Rev3)

_which refers back to Isaiah 55:

"Ho, Every one that thirsts, come
ye to the waters, and he that has
no money; come ye, buy and eat;
yea, come buy wine and milk with-
out money and without price."

Psalms 40:7&8 says:
"Then said I, Lo, I come: in
the volume of THE BOOK it
is written of me,
I delight to do thy will, oh
my God: yea, thy Law is within
my heart."

Knowing the BIBLE is the key to understanding all of these issues. I didn't spot the New Age Movement in all of its biblically opposite lies until I had read the entire Bible through, which I have done several times since.


I read an important piece yesterday about Alberto Rivera who deceived so many with his fantastic claims that he was a former Jesuit priest. An important contributor to the work exposing his frauds was by Roy Livesey of England, who wrote books with a clearly anti-Catholic slant on the New Age Movement. Of course, the targets of the New Age are Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and even Moslems. I understand from what I read yesterday that Roy Livesey had journeyed to countries where Alberto had claimed to have been to do his extensive research. Here is a link to that:


Check it out!

Considering that Alberto Rivera had used ISIS UNVEILED as a reference in those comics as well as Lady Jane Queensborough's OCCULT THEOCRASY, I do believe that he had to have had Theosophical connections as well as the Evangelical ones he had instead of the Catholic ones he claimed predated his "conversion". He had an elaborate, destructive fraud, pure and simple.

Just peeked at Jim Channon's website. It now appears to have changed from "The world we choose" to "100 Year Vision for the World We Want." He is selling his services as a "story teller", "visionary," and with all due respect, "general huckster." He was really the one much of the movie, THE MEN WHO STARE AT GOATS, was all about and he had conducted operations for the US Military TRADOC in the 1980s where allegiances were to be changed, using New Age techniques from "God and Country" to "Person and Planet."

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The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is more explicit in their teachings than what I've seen of Warren regarding Dominionism. While this is not explicitly taught much anymore, the belief is that Christians become "Christ", i.e. at the Second Coming Christ comes 'through' His Body (with a capital B). This has been taught in the New Order of the Latter Rain, which is now known as the NAR, and Word of Faith (through Kenneth E. Hagin and perhaps Copeland). See here:


Excerpted quote:

“…When someone is born again, he is baptized into, put into, immersed into the Body of Christ.

“Jesus is the Head. We are the Body. The Head and the Body are one.”

And, in case that wasn't clear enough, Hagin continues:

“…Christ is the head; we are the body. We are Christ.

“…We are here as His representatives – not only collectively, but individually.”

So, Mariel, when you stated>:

I came to understand the "New Apostolic" group more after a description that it is like Rick Warren's group,
in that it is Dominionist. It is important to understand that the Millenium and God's kingdom will come about through Him.

...The NAR would agree with you! Of course, they've changed definitions and doctrine.

I'm curious, who disagreed with your use of the word "Biblical?"

Actions are good or bad based on objective, intent, and outcome.

The New Age claims that all actions are subjective, yet wants to prosecute those who disagree with their subjective views by accusing them of hate and discrimination.

You cannot legislate subjective choices, only objective laws.

Their inconsistencies need to be called out.

They often use scripture to distract from the real issues.

Legal opinion: Ontario “equity” strategy will be used to persecute Catholics

"Without clear protections, the Ontario government’s equity and inclusive education strategy “ will be used to persecute Catholic teachers and students who promote and support the Church’s teaching on homosexuality,” argues Toronto lawyer Geoffrey F. Cauchi in a legal opinion for LifeSiteNews.

“The overall impression the [government’s equity strategy] Documents convey,” writes Cauchi in his 24-page opinion, is “that the Ontario Government has embraced the gay activist positions that Catholic teaching on the subject of homosexuality is itself ‘homophobic’ or ‘heterosexist’, and ‘harms’ ‘gays and lesbians’.

Those documents, for example, recommend gay-straight alliance clubs and participation in the Gay Pride parades, among other events run by homosexual activists.


I agree with you, of course.

You cannot legislate subjective choices, only objective laws.

Yes, exactly. This is one of the fallacies of Dominionism; however, the way I see it, this is a ruse anyway in that the real goal is not to "Christianize" a la orthodox Christianity since the NAR is not orthodox. The goal is the spread of an ecumenical, pluralistic "Christianity." A New Age Christianity as Bailey wrote about.

They often use scripture to distract from the real issues.

Yes, and worse, they distort Scripture to further NA agendas.
Craig, what I was referring to in using the word "biblical" was that an Anonymous in another thread
said that my conclusions were not "biblical" but were New Age, and that I had brought much New Age baggage with me.

I have not studied these things like NAR as much as others here. I do not like the idea of Christ being the Head and the rest of us the Body. One may hear such thoughts on Christian TV, which I occasionally surf into,and it is pretty hard to tell at first who is biblically sound (kosher, my word) and who is distorted. I don't have a church which teaches about such things.

I am sorry that I am lost in these things. This is why I yearn for His coming. So He will straighten us out.
Someone may say that if I read the Bible I would get straightened out. I do read the Bible, in fact the pastor of our church thanked me for coming to the adult Bible study because I have so much knowledge of the Bible. I obviously do not have as much as some people here, but I do read the Bible, and at least compared to most modern Christians, my views are "fundamental." I am not a great Bible scholar but I have helped a lot of almost completely ignorant Christians to read it better. Let's say I am the Kindergarten teacher.


The church came up with the 4 senses of scripture to read and understand scripture through the ages.

Letting people interpret things anyway they feel like is dangerous, since all of them claim to be inspired by the Holy spirit.


I yearn for His return as well.

I'm sorry you were accused of supposedly promoting New Age doctrine in the context of your use of "Biblical."

The enemy is quite skilled at using the Bible against Christians and Jews.

You wrote: I do not like the idea of Christ being the Head and the rest of us the Body.

Yes, this is a subtle twist of passages such as Colossians 1:18 and 2:19:

18 And He is the Head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. [NIV 1984]
Regarding Scripture, it's important to understand that interpretation has developed over time. Part of its development was in direct response to heresies in the first few centuries most of which sprang from Gnostic thought primarily with respect to Christology (the person of Christ). Councils were convened to refute these heresies and the resulting Creeds codified doctrine. A good example is the Chalcedonian Creed which is ecumenical in that it is accepted by Catholics, Protestants and the Eastern Orthodox. So, in a sense, heretics have forced the Church into defining certain doctrines.

I also found it interesting, as I found out just recently, that the doctrine of the Atonement had evolved as well (in both Catholicism and Protestantism).
In lieu of this article see what was in the Columbus Dispatch yesterday.
This woman, well into her nineties, is reported to attend a Methodist church (it is a very liberal one, by the way) and she is also thick into the New Age. And the evil one has seen to it that she gets the word out.
"Craig, what I was referring to in using the word "biblical" was that an Anonymous in another thread
said that my conclusions were not "biblical" but were New Age, and that I had brought much New Age baggage with me."

When you suggest that Native American shamans, the shamanistic Aboriginese and the Muslims all worship the same God of the Bible yes you have New Age baggage! To even deny that is just blindness.

You also said you didn't know what God would do with them. Well, the scriptures are pretty darned clear on that. Try reading them more closely and without your New Age baggage. Judgement doesn't make you feel war and fuzzy. People worshipping idols and false gods going to hell doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy. Well guess what; the Word of God isn't about making you feel warm and fuzzy, but uncomfortable with sin and heresy, including your New Age baggage.
Mariel said: "The Indians in America worshipped the Great Spirit before they heard of the Bible.

The indigenous people in Australia worshipped God before the missionaries came and stole their children, meaning well, of course.

We will never know if Jesus will send these people to Hell until He returns."

Very indicative of New Age baggage.
I post interesting links at TWITTER which I am still gaining proficiency in. I follow Javier Solana (for obvious reasons) and Anne Marie Slaughter (for many of the same reasons -- GLOBAL GOVERNANCE). Probably the easiest way to get there is to GOOGLE "Cumbey" and "Twitter". That should bring it right up.

Anne Marie Slaughter just twittered that she was delighted to be on the BOARD OF ADVISERS of CNAS. I discovered that was "Center for New American Security" which led to my checking on that.

To Anonymous 7:26:

I just googled that lady's magazine "Self Growth Wisdom". Yes, it certainly is NEW AGE wrapped in the New Age "Holistic" wrappings.

When I first discovered the existence of the NAM in 1981, I observed in particular New Age writers Marilyn Ferguson and Mark Satin said that the movement had "something for everybody." That it does. Satan / Lucifer (or whatever name he is using this week) certainly is an "equal opportunity employer," is he not.

That is why the Biblical passage of Deuteronomy 18 is so very important: THERE SHALL NOT BE FOUND AMONG YOU. It is a list of forbidden spiritual practices which God gave to keep us all out of trouble.

In defense of Mariel. God is no less fair than the most unfair Judge. People are judged on the knowledge they have and scriptures are clear about that:

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Romans 2

1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11For there is no respect of persons with God.

12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Passages are from the King James Version. They read about the same in every other version as well.

"Not just the hearers of the law are justified, but the doers."

I have to take Mariel's side on this. There is Biblical argument to be made for what she says.


10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11For there is no respect of persons with God.

12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Mr. Hal Lindsey mentions both the Western European Union (WEU) and Dr. Javier Solana in his 8-12-11 video report:

Yes, the ecumenical councils also condemned things like abortion and homosexuality. So we can't say that these issues were unknown to the early church.

The Liberals now claim otherwise.

Savvy you are known to already hold a New Age view of Allah it is no surprise that you think animistic shamans will also inherit the kingdome of God.

I think you've been researching this stuff so long some of it is infecting your theology.

Your position, as well as your friends, are not at all orthodox Christian doctrine in any way, shape or form.
To get this straight Constance and on the record; do you believe that Native American animists, Aboriginal animists, etc. are able to attain salvation without Christ?

And, your scripture quote doesn't work in this situation, since it was speaking specifically of Torah observance and the Gentiles being saved through Christ without Torah observance or knowledge of Torah.

Because that is the entire thrust (and flaw) in yours and your friends position.

Now...lets see if you run from this one.
Dear Anonymous 3:53,

An educated person would not put words in Cumbey's mouth.

What is your real agenda?

What part of the Koran do you claim the Bible passage quoted to be from?

Don't play cutsie Cumbey. Just answer the question straight.

Are you now saying that Native American animists, and Aboriginal animists can attain salvation without accepting Christ? And do you say that they are also worshipping the God of the Bible as you claim Muslims do?

Oh, and nobody is putting words in her mouth. The question is legitimate to ask since she is supporting another person who does indeed believe these very things.

Waiting for your clear answer Constance. A simple yes or no will suffice. No lawyer tactics of evasion or obfuscation necessary.
Let's have anonymous true identity and agenda. I, for one, detect an evil spirit.
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

11:43 AM

Why is George Soros selling gold and buying farmland?
My view is that the most important rule ever spoken is the Golden Rule "Do unto others as you want them to do unto you". After much consideration, I believe this filters down to a respect for free will, therefore all laws should originate in this premise. People can be physically forced to do things but they cannot be forced to believe things. This shows that free will needs to be honored and that people have to learn on their own, it cannot be forced, and therefore the main aim of law needs to be protecting free will. Based on that, any attempt to lawfully control free-will should only occur, in an upright and open manner, when an individual is imposing on another's free will, either through violence, theft or deception. This rationale presupposes property rights which are a necessary part of the physical aspect of free will. Most rational people would agree they do not want some arbitrary group to force their views on them, steal their property or injure them in a violent or deceptive manner, so, according to the Golden Rule, it only stands to reason that it should not be done to another. That is my view on what the root premise of law should be. I do not believe one could be more objective or less arbitrary than that.
Still avoiding a direct answer I see Constance. Again, you keep quoting a scripture completely out of context and without an understanding of its purport. It was speaking specifically of Gentiles who had no knowledge of Torah, but who through faith in Christ were saved anyway. Not at all the same thing as this New Age view of salvation you're promoting.

Now try again, though I know it is hard for an attorney to give a clear, honest and direct answer; do you believe that Native American animinists, Aboriginal animists, etc. can be saved without accepting Christ? Because THAT is what in effect you have been teaching.
To Anonymous @ 7:40 AM:

Meanwhile, perhaps YOU can answer a question for some of the rest of us?

Exactly WHAT is your main 'agenda' and purpose here on this blog?

Also, just a reminder: Constance isn't on trial here....and, after all, this is her blog.
I'm not sure exactly what Constance
thinks about every nuance of doctrine
but I'm sure that Satan is known as the
"accuser of the brethren", and that
anyone who would demand answers
from her on her on her own website
and suggest that she isn't a true
Christian, all the while refusing to
be identified, is a coward at least
and probably also a person who
has some Bible in his head, but not
in his spirit.
Galatians 5:22 says:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love,
joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness,
goodness, faith,
23) meekness, temperance: against
such there is no law."

_and a few verses later in ch5 :
3) "for if a man think himself to be
something, when he is nothing,
he deceives himself.
4) But let every man prove his
own work, and then shall he
have rejoicing in himself alone,
and not in another."
Maybe George Soros needs a farm for hiding purposes after dodging his mistresses and a lawsuit against him! lol!

The context on the Romans passage was NOT believers vs. Jews. It was the informed vs. the uninformed. At least, that's my understanding. "Not just the hearers, but the doers of the law." The already converted gentiles were not "doers of the Jewish law." They had already been exempted from all but fornication and eating of blood.

The context on the Romans passage was NOT believers vs. Jews. It was the informed vs. the uninformed. At least, that's my understanding. "Not just the hearers, but the doers of the law." The already converted gentiles were not "doers of the Jewish law." They had already been exempted from all but fornication and eating of blood.

"The doers" as I have always understood that context were those who loved their neighbors as themselves, did not kill, did not steal, did not commit adultery, did not covet their neighbors' property, etc., etc. They did the best they could with the knowledge of God that they had and God would judge them on that basis.

Biblical truth is more important than who owns this blog. That is my agenda. Cumbey claims to be a defender of the Biblical faith by exposing the New Age, yet Constance has already stated she believes Allah is the Biblical God. Now she is defending a VERY New Age position on animists attaining salvation without Christ. And as usual once she is questioned or challenged on her New Age beliefs her fans come running to her defense and suddenly Biblical truth isn't so important. She has set herself up as a voice of Biblical truth in opposition to New Age lies, yet she holds to at least two New Age beliefs. So my questions are in order.

Again Constance, a simple answer and stop running from the question. What you're doing by not answering is in effect telling us that you do indeed believe these animists will be saved without Christ, but you realize your position undermines your claim to expose the New Age.

So answer with a simple yes or no. Do you believe that Native American and Aboriginal animists such as those mentioned in this thread can be saved without Christ?
"So answer with a simple yes or no. Do you believe that Native American and Aboriginal animists such as those mentioned in this thread can be saved without Christ?"

Of course, no one can be saved without Christ, according to my understanding of the Bible. But do you mean, saved without Christ", or "saved without the knowledge of Christ"? I am not certain these are the same thing. Is it not possible that those without knowledge of Christ will have their sins taken away depending on how they respond to what they do know, as the Old Testament saints seem to have had theirs covered until the time of Christ? This is a topic which has been debated for many, many years, maybe even before the New Age.

I know it is CC's blog, but I see nothing wrong with you asking for clarification. On the other hand, if CC does not give you a straight answer, why belabor the point?
Also implicit in Constance and Muriels positions is that these pagans are worshipping the God of the Bible.
Clearly anybody who is saved is saved ONLY through JESUS CHRIST. The KNOWLEDGE of Christ is something else again. That is the point I believe Paul was making in Romans, chapter 2.

I do believe the "anonymous" to be the same person who has been stalking me in a most ugly fashion here for the last 3 years. The one who claimed to be poor and only had an old car. (For the record, I drive a 1998 Saturn with 207,000 miles on it). As Dorothy pointed out, she had more than a car. She obviously also owned a computer!

I do believe it was "Mariel" and not Muriel. What the nasty anonymous calls "implicit" in our positions clearly is not.

I'd like to know who thinks that his
judgement regarding people's
souls even matters. Does anonymous
think God is going to take a poll
on judgement day ? Or will God
need anyone's permission to judge
people either guilty or innocent
or guilty-yet-forgiven ?
It's none of your business, anonymous
self righteous man.
I understand clearly and agree that
there is no other name under heaven
than Jesus whereby we can be
forgiven and saved. Are you saying
that God is like a computer and can
only act according to a set of rules
which are the rules that He decreed?
So God can't save someone who
lived their whole life on an island,
or in the wilderness, and
never heard the Gospel ?
It's God's business, fool, not yours
and your stubborn heartless dogma
is of zero consequence.
There will be people ( like you? )
who think that they've checked all
the appropriate boxes and said
all the appropriate things, who will be
condemned to hell because no
matter what you say, God sees into
your heart and knows the truth.
"Have we not given alms in your name,
and have we not cast out demons in
your name and performed miracles
in your name?" _And He will say
"depart from me you wicked one. I never
knew you"
Be careful, little man.
Do you imagine that Moses was zealous
for the Law ? Of course he was.
Yet the Bible says that he was the most
meek of all men.
Arrogance is never of God.
Anonymous arrogance, well, good luck
with that.
Anonymous 8:58 does not think that "Biblical Truth" is above all else.

More precisely, he thinks that "his interpretation of his version of the Bible" is more important than all else.

And to cross over to the brutal truth, Anonymous 8:58 is dealing in power. He wants power over Cumbey for some intrinsic reason or personality disorder that he has. Maybe he is obsessive; worse he is a narcissist or histrionic. Maybe he is all of these.

We know the accuser wants power because he is following the popular "evangelical Christian" idea that "Muslims are animals". Though he claims to follow Biblical truth, he has picked a topic where he can be in the mainstream, in-line with propaganda. He does not follow truth; he follows one topic that is popular so that he then can discredit Constance.

He realizes that if Constance does not curse the Muslims, and this is precisely what he wants her to do, he can use the popular opinion to discredit her by flippancy.

This means that since Constance refuses to curse Muslims, Anonymous 8:58 knows that in his church and others, the pastors and people will dismiss her since she "sides with terrorists".

This is the purpose of Anonymous 8:58.

This tactic is used often in small independent Baptist or Presbyterian churches with uneducated pastors and limited church structure oversight.
Are you zealous for the Law ?
Try reading the 15th chapter of Numbers.
Grace was built into the law even before
Messiah came.
It's a whole chapter of God's GRACE
even during the time of Moses.
These sins of ignorance were and are
much less grievous than the willful
It certainly is. You have also stated the following:

""A MISREPRESENTATION of God does not necessarily in and of itself imply they are worshiping a DIFFERENT God -- they may be however, worshiping something created in their own image."

As the person noted in that thread, since this is your New Age theology, why take the gospel to anyone? After all, they worship the same God as us Christians. And besides, with your statements made in this thread they can worship Buddha, Krishna or whatever and still be saved according to your position.

There is nothing in scripture that supports this weird idea you have that Christ will save those who are pagans, shamans, animists, etc. You're vomiting the same garbage at us that the Vatican does and the New Age Movement does, which is a denial of the very essence of the Gospel.

I'll be honest, I think you're a false "watchman" and you clearly have New Age leanings. You're keeping people focused on this Solana ruse of yours, you broadcast from a place that helps promote anti-semitism, you refuse to leave the place for someplace that doesn't, you praise Benny XVI and schmooze with Roman Catholics and support their false teachings, you believe Allah is the same God we Christians worship, and now you believe animists and pagans will be saved as well.
And now the Jack Hyles style anti-Catholicism comes pouring out from Anonymous 8:58.

Where did you get your "doctorate of divinity" again?
Hey, Anonymous @ 8:58, 9:12, 1:05 -
Remember Proverbs 16:18?

"Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."
Anony 8:58
you clearly have an agenda of tearing down. You engage in finger pointing and arguing over semantics. Are you suggesting that the bible gives no answer to those who do not have direct knowledge? Those who respond to the truth respond to the truth. You fixate on "Allah" which is what the arap world refers to as God. Are you not aware that the english word God has faulty origins. Do you not know that Arabs also have a promise and have been targeted and fed that which is twisted. God deals as He deals and those who respond to his truth and demonstrate love will be kept safe. Examine scripture. So question to who ever you are, when are you going to let go of the hate and seek God. Your pride will destroy you and hate consume you.
To Paul:

I LOVED your comment. So right!

The word is getting out that C.C. is compromising with the New Age. Good thing. Too many might be misled here otherwise.
I am not the anon who has posted on this thread. But, how were they tearing down? Why doesn't CC answer the question? It doesn't matter who the blog owner is. CC has a RESPONSIBILITY to answer and clarify, especially as the blog owner, as there are many that wait for her every word and may head down the wrong path if she doesn't clarify. This is what happens when people look up to another so much that they insult and tear down those who question their idol. It reminds me of when you try telling a Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland fan that they are wrong, their followers will verbally thrash you and tell you how evil you are.

And CC, if you are going to quote bible verses, then be fair, there are MANY verses that COMPLETELY contradict the Roman Catholic doctrines, and you still support them and even stick up for them. I am not talking about personal interpretation, I'm talking about plain black and white that you MUST twist to support doctrine.

I have asked you many times to explain your stance on "anyone who says Jesus is Lord is not in the spirit of antichrist", when even demons HAVE and WILL affirm that HE is God. Does this really seem evil and mean for me to ask this? There are some who may read your remarks and be misled - not because you intend to mislead them, but because you don't clarify.

And honestly, what is all the obsession with Solana? He was one to watch and still is, but not to the level of obsession that you have taken it. He is involved with alot, but he is OLD news, just someone for you to watch while taking your eye off of the ball.
Oh for goodness' sake.
Get a grip.
I for one don't "follow" Mrs Cumby.
I'm a little too ah, mature for that.
I follow Jesus Christ. But unlike you,
who actually do seem to be obsessed,
I don't expect her or anyone else to be
perfect. I don't even expect my own
church pastor to be perfect; in words
or deeds or character. Have you read
the Bible ? Did you notice that even the
so-called heroes of the Bible are all
imperfect ? Moses, Jacob, David, Elijah,
Isaiah, etc., all imperfect and fallable.
Even Soloman, the wisest man in the
world, eventually fell to idolotry !
Read the article at the top of this
thread, fool. It disproves everything
you accuse her of, and anyway,
you're basically accusing her of
COMPASSION, you idiot.
_and you do it all all from the
safety of the weeds, so nobody knows
who you are since apparently you
have a big time reputation to maintain.

I don't have any gurus; well, maybe my
Dad, maybe I should reconsider him
though, based on your interpretation
of the scriptures.
Paul,maysp just another fanboy.
Paul's comments are some of the most humble and rational posts on here. I'll take his word over what appears to be arrogance. If he is a fan boy then I would say that is a benefit to Constance Cumbey, not a drawback.
A blog filled with deception and fanwanks. Jesus is not honored here and C.C. is a deceiver.
Anon@3:54 p.m.

The New Age is spirituality without morality.

The Earth charter wants to re-write how the world perceives right and wrong altogether.

According to the new age there is no sin. The only sin is to proclaim that something is a sin.

So, while the rest of us fight over whose version of the Bible is correct, the enemies are planning a world-take over.

CC who has spent years studying the New Age and is much more qualified than you to make these judgements.

The Vatican does not deny that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

If however, you want them to send everybody to hell, that is not their call, since they don't have a list of people in hell, only God knows these things.

That is exactly what I mean. Paul calling people an idiot, but then none of you other jump in on that. You are pathetic Paul.

And why can't you answer Constance? If you are so sure and you have your groupies to back you then why don't you answer? You could say the sky was green and your fans would support you.

You all can't have both ways, tear people to shreds when they ask Constance a legitimate question, but, no one says anything when people are called idiots, and evil.

I wouldn't brag on Contance's knowledge and how she is more qualified than others - I have seen her fawn over the discovery of Noah's Ark among many other things that turned out to be false.
Anon 5:54

You said Paul's comments are some of the most humble and rational here. Are you kidding? Yeah, calling people idiots. I definitely look up to him. LOL!!!!
Didn't really focus on that part. My focus was more on the scripture. Carry on as you please, it is obvious where your focus lies.
For sure the acerbic "anonymous" is a much better "theologian" and "bible scholar than the Apostle Paul!

Or so he thinks, or more likely, would like us to think.

Big difference between me and the acerbic "Anonymous."

For one thing, I never claimed to be perfect.


I so appreciate you and would love to here from Susanna again as well.

Speaking of "Noah's Ark," I hadn't given it much though since last year's Turkish government backed claimed discovery. To my knowledge, it has still not been authoritatively rebutted, either. I just did a "google" news search and this is excerpted from a July 2011 article about same dealing with Chinese evangelism to Australia which was to open 2 days ago, August 14th:

This documentary is the fruit of seven years of multiple search expeditions and records the discovery of the ancient wooden structure in a 120-minute movie called “The Days of Noah: Apocalypse”. While searching for Noah’s Ark on Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey, a Chinese-Turkish exploration team successfully excavated and entered a large wooden structure which experts and Turkish officials believe is the Ark.

Three of the expedition team recently visited Sydney to announce the film premiere, and told Eternity the documentary is the product of their desire to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with the whole world. This call to share the gospel widely – and emphasise the evidence behind the account of Noah and his Ark – is a the reason to launch the documentary movie in English as well as Chinese. “The message of Noah’s ark is not just for one people”, says Mr Andrew Yuen (the Producer), “Noah’s Ark belongs to everyone. The movie is a universal message to go to every nation.”

“As Christians, we believe that the Bible is the truth. In our search for Noah’s Ark we were looking for evidence which will connect with the Bible,” says Mr Andrew Yuen. Speaking about one of their team members, Panda Lee, who discovered on his return from the expedition that he had cancer, Mr Yuen adds, “We can’t master the present – we certainly can’t master the future. The message of Noah’s ark speaks to the fact that we can’t know when our end is coming, just like the people of Noah’s time.”

I would appreciate updates on this. Thanks to the acerbic Anonymous for reminding me.

In defense of our own beloved Paul here on the board, I don't recall him ever claiming to be perfect either.

Has anybody heard from JD or Howard of Battle Creek lately?
Apologies to all:

Here's a tinyurl link to the current Australian news story about the Noah's Ark item:

To Anonymous @ 6:22 PM:
Re: "A blog filled with deception and fanwanks. Jesus is not honored here and C.C. is a deceiver."

Surely, you are not delusional enough to actually believe that YOU are 'honoring' Jesus by your arrogant, hateful rants???

(Also, Constance has 'deceived' no let God be the final judge of her and YOU!!!)
Do note how whenever C.C. is questioned on her false teachings or sometimes dubious conclusions she and her fans always attack the person asking the questions and demanding answers that can be substantiated from scripture without New Age juggling?

The word is fast getting around too, which is very good. This blog provides just enough truth to mask the lies.
Okey I'm sorry, really sorry, that I
used the words "idiot" and "fool".
I didn't edit my initial writing.
Big mistake.
And wrong.
Can you forgive me ?

Everything else I said, I stand by
and I never called you evil, nor
did anyone else.

It would be ideal if we all had
our doctrines in perfect alignment
with scripture. But in the meantime
we live in a very imperfect world
made up of extremely imperfect
people, (like me) , and without
God's grace, infinite grace, we are
all pretty much dead in the water.

I am the anon (there are so many).
None of us are perfect including myself. I can't speak for others, but all I wanted was some genuine clarification, as I would do in return if asked of me.

If I speak with friends, or post here and say something that may be confusing, I would hope someone would ask me to clarify. As I mentioned before, I can see why Constance remains silent sometimes, but I think the genuine questions are easy to tell from the malicious ones.
She's now saying she's deleting anything that she doesn't like.

Translation: anything that exposes her New Age teachings she's going to get rid of to cover the tracks.
Here's a related article promoting world government, also posted by "G Kumar":
So, I don't actually believe this will have effect.
Very Thougt Provoking
This nice gemstone blog.
Thanks to
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