The
Hi-Jacking of Evangelicalism, Part VI
“Christian
Fundamentalism” or “New World Religion”?
Last week the annual Prayer Breakfast was held. The Dalai Lama was there as one of their honored guests. Was it truly about Jesus or even "evangelizing"? I submit it was much closer to the agenda of "New World Religion." I further submit that this network was a substantial part of what New Ager Barbara Marx Hubbard said back in 1988 a few months after coming from the secretive Gold Lake Conference "Bridging Through Christ" was "Now all of the resonating core groups with OUTWARDLY DIFFERENT PURPOSES are merging and blending and coming together to do THE ONE WORK." Her alliance with long time core group, inner circle Family activist Paul Temple is more than a small factor in my personal determination about these links.
Writer Jeffrey Sharlet has said much about the alleged “secret
fundamentalism” of the Washington headquartered International Christian
Leadership operation called by him as “The Family.” Writer Wayne Madsen has said even more. Although I might have serious disagreements
with the worldviews of both men, I believe Wayne Madsen hit more of the nails
accurately on the head as to the true character of the group. The Washington, D. C. allegedly Christian
operation might be fundamentalist something or other, but fundamentalist
Christianity as in rigorously adhering to the classic and fundamental tenets of
the faith “once delivered to the fathers” it is not. Perhaps it never was. There were several in the circle that clearly represented "illuminated interests," including but not limited to Glenn Clark, Rufus Jones, E. Stanley Jones, Frank Laubach, and Roland Gammon.
To understand “the Family” it is necessary to understand its beginnings
and collaborations. As accurately
reported by others, these are a few of the preliminary events.
- · Abraham (Abram) Vereide comes to USA as a young man, marries, becomes a minister, and eventually goes to work managing Goodwill Industries in Seattle, Washington. While in Seattle he organizes a religious network to seek peace between labor and management interests there.
- · Vereide makes numerous cross country trips, including trips to Ottawa, Canada, and at least one return trip to Norway (sponsored by a sympathetic friend).
- · Vereide makes the acquaintance of Frank Buchman and Sam Shoemaker.
- · Vereide employs assistants over the years, including Harald Bredesen.
- · Vereide is taken into the circle of “The Twelve” meeting annually on New Years Day retreats at the Embassy Row mansion home of Mrs. Aymar (Marian) Johnson (nee Marian K. Hoffman) , a wealthy Washington, D. C. benefactor who was initially mentored first by Sam Shoemaker and then by Glenn Clark.
Understanding Frank Buchman and Glenn Clark are essential to
understanding more. To understand Glenn
Clark, one must also understand Dr. Alexis Carrel. Another close friend of all was Norman
Grubb. Norman Grubb’s theology was
plainly closer to Gnosticism than orthodox Christian creeds and “Statements of
Faith.”. Glenn Clark’s theology was definitely
more akin to New Thought religion (i.e. Unity School of Christianity) than to
traditional biblical and evangelical Christianity. He proudly wrote about the “New Age” (Capital
N, Capital A) and the intent that the world should accept it willingly starting
in 1946, 35 years before I discovered this network in 1981!
Dr. Alexis Carrel
Dr. Alexis Carrel, was to put it mildly, a “complex individual.” Intellectually speaking, he was clearly a
genius. He won the Nobel Prize in 1912
for pioneering complicated suture surgery.
Together with close friend aviator Charles Lindbergh, he invented the
perfusion pump necessary for decades of heart surgeries. He was also and unfortunately, a dedicated
eugenicist.
Marian Johnson and her “checked guidance”
Marian Johnson was an extremely wealthy socialite who had lived well on
both sides of the Atlantic. She was
associated with royal circles in England.
Her mother Mrs. Charles
Frederick Hoffman was prominent in New York, Newport, and English
society. She married Aymar Johnson and
they enjoyed a socialite life which included sailing in their yacht, “The
Enchantress.” Per Norman Grubb, “life
had no real meaning for her until she met Sam Shoemaker.” She probably had legitimate access to New
York Episcopalian Circles. Her father, Charles
Frederick Hoffman, was active in New York City Episcopalian circles. He may have even pastored himself. He was the treasurer of the Cathedral Church
of St. John the Divine in New York City.
Sam Shoemaker, an Episcopalian clergyman there who was a literal acolyte
to Frank Buchman for many years, pastored another Episcopal Church in New York.
Marian Johnson was told of Abraham Vereide in New York by Sam
Shoemaker. In January 1944,
approximately 1 ½ to 2 months before I entered the world on Leap Year Day,
1944, Abraham Vereide rang her doorbell saying that Sam Shoemaker asked him to
call on her. [1](Grubb, 1961, p. 79; Grubb, 1961)
Mrs. Marian Johnson, the former Miss Marian Hoffman, became Abram’s
chief financial backer. Per Norman
Grubb, “he took over from her the idea of a vital center in Washington for
international fellowship and dispensing hospitality for God to government
leaders.” (Grubb, 1961, p. 80)
This was the start of “International Christian Leadership.” Was there more? The presence on the board of ICL of men such
as Roland Gammon clearly suggests there was.
It is not presumptuous to say that the New Year’s Day retreats were
closer to intentional meetings of what could even be called “Illuminati.” For more on this we shall carefully in the
next article examine Dr. Glenn Clark’s book, THE MAN WHO TAPPED THE SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE as well as “The
Twelve” who gathered at Marian Johnson’s home every New Year’s Day.
[1] There
are many sources I have collected and researched on this. A most important reference is MODERN VIKING: THE STORY OF ABRAHAM VEREIDE, PIONEER IN
CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP by Norman Grubb.
Extensive references to Mrs. Aymar Johnson are included in his chapter, “God-Guided Contacts.” I have accumulated a library on several of “The
Twelve” and their obvious high-level mysticism, including but not limited to
Rufus Jones, E. Stanley Jones, Frank Laubach, and Glenn Clark. Roland Gammon was proudly affiliated in a
leadership position with International Christian Leadership. His book NIRVANA
NOW is one of the most gossipy accounts of New Age activism, including
Lucis Trust, Barbara Marx Hubbard, and the Temple of Understanding, I have
found anywhere. That book was one of my
original acquisitions on the New Age Movement shortly after I learned of its
existence in 1981. If there was an innocent individual in this crowd, it may have been Sam Shoemaker. My jury is still out on him. I have read his wife's biography and from that reading, it appears that he had honest Christian motivation and had broken with Buchman and his Moral Rearmament Movement during the war years. However, another organization that Sam Shoemaker was instrumental in finding, Faith at Work, has been clearly compromised over the years which will be the subject of another posting.
344 comments:
1 – 200 of 344 Newer› Newest»"their yacht, “The Enchantress.” "
there has to be something wrong with someone who names their yacht or anything else a name like that. Back in the 1960s I read a thoroughbred racing list that included a horse called "Demons B Gone" which strikes me as a much better name.
Mary, 4:31 a.m: "B Gone" instead of "Be Gone" and this is "Be Gone."
Mary, it's been lovely and calm around here the last day or two until you burst into the new topic page ranting and flailing With your, "Confus[ed] state of mind...".
So, Mary, take your words as a hint and, "... Be Gone "!
http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-697-christian-fundamentalism-and-the-underground-reich/
"7. Next, the broadcast sets forth Abram [Vereide] and the Family’s positioning as a vehicle for the recruitment of Nazis to serve both the U.S. and the “New” Federal Republic of Germany. The organization involved in this served as a principal moral compass for much of the American power elite during the Cold War and through the present. The organizations which rescued and rehabilitated Third Reich alumni are at the foundation of the contemporary evangelical establishment."
much much more on this page, read it.
I don't think it was God speaking to Vereide, and there is reference to automatic writing in how he got "the Idea" and Vereide never questioned the voice just assumed it was God.
Great work Constance.
I enjoy looking on you tube for these people. I see how you commented on some videos with these new agers in them. It is amazing to watch them in person and get that creepy feeling. Yes the 'god is within us-we are all one' *typical example here>>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b8zDn9QCok
...crowd is following these people in your post...all the same jargon is noted in the videos.
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NOTICE 6 comments on this post so far add up this way:
4 are 'clogging the blog' with inappropriate stuff, yes these comments are ALL from Mary Christine Erikson.
1 is asking Mary to stop and leave (again)
1 actually is discussing the post
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6.8 scale earthquake just now on the border between Ukraine and Russia.
John Schlinder, a former Naval War College professor, predicted nuclear war in the region yesterday.
1st, 3rd and 4th of my posts were totally relevant to Constance's post, as is this one but anon 2:21 is totally irrelevant.
Alexis Carrel was more than a eugenicist, he also advocated extermination, and this at a time he could be partly blamed for the Holocaust.
"Regime of enforced eugenics[edit]
Carrel advocated the use of gasses to rid humanity of "defectives", thus endorsing the scientific racism discourse. His endorsement of this idea began in the mid-1930s, prior to the Nazi implementation of such practices in Germany. In the 1936 German introduction of his book, at the publishers request, he added the following praise of the Nazi regime which did not appear in the editions in other languages:
"(t)he German government has taken energetic measures against the propagation of the defective, the mentally diseased, and the criminal. The ideal solution would be the suppression of each of these individuals as soon as he has proven himself to be dangerous."[1]
This is the quote in the book that endorses the use of gasses for euthanasia:
"(t)he conditioning of petty criminals with the whip, or some more scientific procedure, followed by a short stay in hospital, would probably suffice to insure order. Those who have murdered, robbed while armed with automatic pistol or machine gun, kidnapped children, despoiled the poor of their savings, misled the public in important matters, should be humanely and economically disposed of in small euthanasic institutions supplied with proper gasses. A similar treatment could be advantageously applied to the insane, guilty of criminal acts.".[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man,_The_Unknown
Sweden also introduced negative interest rates for savings today, joining Denmark in charging the populace for keeping money in a bank. The inevitable result of such a policy is for people to keep money in cash at home, and the government response is to ban any cash transaction.
Should Russia invade Estonia after a period of destabilization there is likely to be a regional European war. Russia will gamble that NATO will not uphold its commitments to the Baltic nations, but may only be partially right.
Poland is the most likely NATO member to aggressively fight Russia broadening the war into a regional European-wide theater conflict. Russia might use tactical nuclear weapons against Polish airbases and tank columns, as the Polish military is quite effective. Poland also has a close connection with the United States, and here is where it gets weird.
With NATO crumbling yet some Eastern European countries fighting against Russia and losing in a nuclear weapons loosed contest, the United States might threaten to retaliate with nuclear force against Russia. Over the past several years the US has threatened actions against Russian interests without following through, but Putin may not take the risk. Putin may pre-emptively attack Washington DC, New York, and Philadelphia, three Eastern Seaboard cities that can be obliterated in 5 minutes. The blimps over Washington DC prove useless to stop the cruise missiles and the US government is decapitated.
In the chaos, Europe reforms to ten nations and demands utter loyalty to the the new world religion as the entire world cries out for peace. This loyalty is enforced by taking the mark, tied to each person's smart phone and a bitcoin account. The US military prepares to rage but it cannot against Russia or face nuclear annihilation. Europe makes a deal to completely replace Russian energy supplies with Israeli gas, and Russia immediately invades. The US sees its chance and the air craft carriers in the Mediterranean sea launch attacks at the Russian planes. Israeli pilots finish the job but then find themselves being attacked by US and then European fighters.
The earth darkens, Christ descends to the Mt. of Olives and the angels gather the elect.
while the statement or carrell are at first glance merely pro death penalty, the clear issue he is making is that these actions came from eugenic inferiority, and the next logical step of course would be to be more proactive and gas the inferior to begin with.
And the use of gas for euthanasia in this suggestion is significant. Probably gave some ideas to the Nazis.
anon 4:07 this entire scenario is dependent on the ten horns of the beast having to do with the ten toes of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream. There is no precedent for redundancy in the visions Daniel had, so the four beasts are different, the ten toes are over and done with and play no role today, never will.
Daniel 7 shows four beasts and the scenario is more like, USA dragging Britain with it somehow and NATO get beat to hell by natural or Russian and Chinese attacks, and after this fall becomes repentant of all its sins, including the hijacking of Christianity by the so called evangelicals who only worship power and vainglory.
Russia and China both become permanent fixtures in the Middle East, Russia probably resolving some issues and destroying Turkey who by that time has come out of the closet as backer of ISIS if the latter concedes the caliphate has to be neo ottoman, and administers the Holy Sepulchres and other holy sites in Jerusalem. All is peaceful for a while, then a new empire rises which conquers the previous three. This lasts through 7 rulers, until in the time of the 8th it is three ruling, a triumvirate, and the antichrist arises, displaces them and takes over. Persecutes Christians, Christ comes back to destroy him and lifts and transforms those still living who haven't taken the mark, and then after hovering in the sky for a while, descends to earth to begin ruling over whoever else has refused to take the mark but isn't a Christian, with the Christians.
Christine you need to give chapter and verse specifics when you go off on the big scenario you present @ 4:19.
This is why you have so little, if even any, credibility. You must back up what you say with scripture instead of your general gloss coat renderings.
Let us see how you formed what you arrived at regarding prophecy.
And be merciful and keep it extremely brief please-this blog has suffered enough of your blasts...
Much more scripture in the context and a whole lot less of you.
The way Jesus did it. He always backed himself up with scripture.
Let's see if you can and will do as he taught us to do.
'Christine 's credibility ': an oxymoron if ever there was one... (emphasis on the last two syllables of course).
Just what I thought you would do Chrisitne.
You cannot do the breakdown of chapter and verse to support what you present. There is more than Daniel's prophecy to go by here.
Not cutting it and improper use of scripture.
And nothing new with you.
Christine, you still need to give references. Why the arrogant obstinacy?
There is One who can change you from a leopard into a lamb but you refuse to relinquish your spots. You need to get clean of all the occult dabbling baggage you're carrying. Only Jesus Christ heal you and wash you clean.
I cannot help you outside of reminding you of this, rebuking, correcting and, where necessary, exposing you in the hope you will truly repent.
Turn to Jesus Christ humbly and give up your pride and vanity. Do it now for you know not what the morrow might bring!
Salt stings but it also sanitises.
I claim this comment section in the mighty name of Jesus for the glory of God Almighty. By the authority of Jesus Christ, I bind all evil, wicked, malicious, deviant, deceitful, lying, spirits, especially any unwelcomed spirits from the west coast USA. May they be gone, gone, gone.
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I havr been told a nuclear attack in the US is unlikely because it would take out the global grid, which is the main nerve keeping the web of tyranny and control together. However, we know the destroyers are willing to destroy themselves.
Constance the evangelicals are a disaster today. thx 4 all u do.
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anon 10:44 "I havr been told a nuclear attack in the US is unlikely because it would take out the global
grid, which is the main nerve keeping the web of tyranny and control together."
you've been told wrong. there is no global grid interlocking. It is high altitude nuclear blasts that produce
a large EMP that can affect hundreds of miles even a thousand miles, but
the typical hit on a military target is a ground burst, whose EMP is not going to be very extensive.
But the real problem is the fallout, and making radioactive places that the conqueror would want to occupy, and too much destruction of what he would want to keep and use. Granted, a lot of this weakens radically over weeks and months and years.
Modern nuclear warheads are rarely in the megaton range, but a few hundred to several hundred kilotons. With the
ramping up of work on thermobarics by the Russians, nukes might be put to much more limited use.
Nuclear war isn't the only kind. There is still standard war. And limited nuclear war.
Christine, I'm not necessarily judging her. Very wealthy people can be used. I'm sure it was her husband who named that boat -- maybe as a compliment to her femininity.
Let's find something more substantial to criticize. I have much more to report and Glenn Clark and the guys look more culpable to me, at the moment, than her. She and her vast fortunes were used to put this group in place at least until Paul Temple and friends' monies could start kicking in.
I was offline for a few days, but let's limit the volume of your comments and keep them relevant, punctuated and concise.
Constance
Christine:
Do you know how to use "tinyurl"? Google it and USE IT. I'm going to have to delete your comment because it is spilling out of its box.
Constance
US sending 600 paratroopers to Ukraine to train troops
endtimeheadlines.org/2015/02/us-sending-around-600-paratroopers-ukraine-train-troops/
"John Schlinder, a former Naval War College professor, predicted nuclear war in the region yesterday."
Between whom? Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes in return for a guarantee of security from the West that the West has not provided. And Ukraine is not part of NATO. Moreover for Russia to start letting nukes off in its own backyard is unlikely; it knows of the bad effects from Chernobyl.
Some of Ukraine is fairly legitimately within the sphere of Russian interest and history. Ideally it should be split up.
Constance, sorry I forgot about tinyurl.
I agree that the enchantress thing was not substantial. but what I am looking at or perhaps for, is the states of mind that over time, over a string of people who are generations in the actual sense, or in the sense of one influenced by another, are presets that lead to worse.
the children's stories and encouraging fantasy the dreamy mind state in itself, AND the content, separate issues, may never lead to all this, but for some if a curiosity or a misidentification of what it means to be "inspired" get into the act, can result in talk and writing and a development more and more to a point that becomes new agey.
It is very sad that the terms "inspired" and "muse" are so common. The former means "God breathed," often pop applied to what stirs the person calling something inspired, like Shakespeare. Muse is a pagan entity the artist/actor/writer channels. And having a "vision" for something what one's "vision for a project" most use these without thinking. But it sets a tone.
Disney set a tone that is harmless compared to Harry Potter, but without Disney you couldn't have had Harry Potter accepted. Acclimatization.
I also apologize for the length and number of posts, but couldn't do otherwise and explain the Daniel 7 points adequately. Now I am going quiet for the rest of the day to make up for this.
"you can't read a whole chapter on its own without a specific verse identified when the WHOLE CHAPTER is pointed to you as the thing at issue."
More than a chapter for this topic Christine, and you cannot connect those dots apparently, or you'd shut your own mouth as you told somebody else to do and simply reference it, instead of criticize someone else for your very evident lack.
You do not know the bible to actually let it speak point for point and is your real downfall or you would be doing that already.
"don't you EVER tell me you are bible believing bible reading person"... (caught by your own hypocrisy again)
Same old excuses are all ya got aren't they, Christine?
Anon 3:18
There is a growing chance that Russia will invade Estonia, as the Russians feel both a historical tie to the Baltics and a security need to shut out any northern route of an invasion force to their main cities in the north. Putin would likely gamble that NATO would not support tiny Estonia, and he might use nuclear weapons to keep the most likely other European power out of such a regional conflict, namely Poland. This is to the extent of Schlinder's speculation in my mind.
My speculation continues as follows: should any European or American power respond to the tactical nuking of Polish airports and tank depots by attacking a Russian base, a response might be for Putin to use his ultra-stealthy submarines as a platform to launch submarine launched cruise missiles with nuclear warheads against Eastern Seaboard cities in the United States. It would only take 5 minutes for such warheads to destroy several cities - see the new balloons over DC to try and find these incoming SLCM.
Putin would gamble that by destroying 2-3 cities the United States would not retaliate or face the overwhelming mutually assured destruction. The United States does not have the capability to "sneak attack" cities in Russia the way the Russian's do to the US, simply because Russian cities are behind 1000 miles of land. This gives Russia an edge in any strategic game, and the United States has countered this by "guaranteeing that they will obliterate any country who attacks the US."
I am saying that Putin will call the United States bluff, for even if he loses and the US does do a massive ICBM attack on Russia in response to a surprise sub attack with SLCM, the US will be completely destroyed as a country while Russia will have probably above 80% survivability, simply based on how their cities are made, and the subway systems that will protect the people.
Even in the worse case military scenario, Russia comes out on top, making Putin more likely rather than less likely to attack Estonia.
Christine
I have chimed in a few times about some hateful remarks directed towards you, and frankly, I skip over your comments alot of times.
I don't see anyone here that really engages with you in posting other than to refute your points. There doesn't seem to be anyone who is touched by your posts, in fact, quite the opposite. I certainly don't mean to insult you, I come to this purely through observation.
I have no desire to see you kicked off of the blog or being treated wrongly. But...wouldn't it be better to not subject yourself to certain treatment or, subject many others to your posts that they find offensive or innaccurate?
I'm not talking about your freedom of speech, I'm talking about you posting for several years now, and still haven't gained the respect and desire of your peers to enjoy or look forward to your posts. Why would anyone want to continue on a blog in this manner?
I'm sorry if this is too harsh, as I said earlier it is not my intention to judge or ridicule you.
But...I have noticed on the new thread so far, there are MANY posts from you already, and some arguing back and forth about your viewpoint. This does not happen to others on this blog nearly as much.
I hope you can find another community that is more aligned with your beliefs and opinions because, this community of bloggers rarely if ever finds value in your posts. And I have to say unfortunately, that an earlier anon who stated something along the lines of, it was peaceful and less cramming during the few days you were away was correct.
Sorry to be so stern sounding, but I just don't know why you would continue at a blog where you are not reaching anyone and a good deal of your posts are arguments about your viewpoints and, you are not winning over anyone.
Interestingly, the USGS report of 6.8 magnitude earthquake on the Russo-Ukrainian border has now been retracted. I can't help but think of the other time when a major earthquake report was downgraded or retracted in a volatile region.
Great show Constance.
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Thank you Constance for the first part of your findings - you've talked about this in the past but the review helps to get "my head around" this topic more.
A former ministry colleague of mine was part of the DC "ministry" to political leaders, and others. A former president of a Christian College, he joined this group and met frequently with international political figures in DC. It was hard for me to figure out what he really did (said he was a friend and encourager to these individuals).
I never clearly understood what he did, why, and why someone would pay him full-time to do this. It makes more sense now.
Dave in CA
"I am saying that Putin will call the United States bluff"
You don't know it's a bluff.
John Schindler? Do you know how he became a former professor at the Naval War College? He, um, sent pictures of, let's just say, it wasn't an ICBM. And, he got caught.
Frank Buchman has been discussed on this website before. The guy did a ton of work for reconciliation in postwar Europe, and his work elsehwere with leaders of pagan religions was simply secular work for peace with community leaders who could influence large numbers; any claim that he compromised the gospel needs to be backed up with quotes. He made a comment praising Hitler's hatred of communism for which he has been give a hard time, but that was mthree years BEFORE World War 2 and Winston Churchill had said as much one year before. Buchman died in 1961 and anything odd about his 'Campaign for Moral Rearmament' after that date cannot be laid at his door. I recall some claims on this website that Buchman went multifaith on a visit to the Orient early in the 20th century and I would be glad of evidence for that.
Has anyone here heard of Alexi Tsipras, who just took over Greece? He is the new P.M. and he is a confirmed atheist. He is said to be quite charismatic and popular. He is from the Thrace area of Turkey, an a town called Babieski, through which flows the Seytan River.
He is the first leader of Greece to take the oath of office without any religious ceremony, just as he never married his girlfriend with whom he has two children.
I posted a link to an article on Alexi Tsipras on the last thread.
Definitely something to watch!
Greece now has their very own version Barack Obama. Like Obama, Tsipras is tight with the Pope.
You're joking 1025am, Tsipras is much tighter with the Eastern Orthodox because of Greek history and because he is playing Russia off against the EU as potential bailer-outers of Greece in return for political favours.
No joke. The article I read,,,, I think it was at raptureready.com?,,,mentioned his connection to the Pope. Maybe they are joking?
"You do not know the bible to actually let it speak point for point and is your real downfall or you would be doing that already."
that is exactly what I did, but the blog admin deleted the three or four extensive posts it took to do it, perhaps before you read them.
so go to http://seventhchapterofdaniel.blogspot.com if you want it broken down in detail, read all posts start from the earliest.
http://cauxforum.net/node/58077
A first glance at Buchman leaves me with the impression he was a change agent and a typical front man instructed to carry out a plot.
They love that Marshall Plan. I recently saw an American blue blood say, the Marshall plan was our greatest moment, since then we have gine, "bump, bump, bump"
What good is a colony except to fund all the pet projects of the European rulling class?
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More on Alexis Tsipras, candidate for EU Commission President
January 28, 2015
Alexis Tsipras’s Debt Plan Sends Athens Stock Market Sliding
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/world/europe/alexis-tsipras-greece-debt.html?_r=0
January 29, 2015
Open letter to Germany
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-29/alexis-tsipras-open-letter-germany-what-you-were-never-told-about-greece
Mary C Erikson,
you wrote at 5:40 PM: "that is exactly what I did, but the blog admin deleted the three or four extensive posts"
How dare you be so coldly dismissive? You know full well the blog administrator is Constance.
You are truculent, arrogant and we'll above your station lady!
Alexis Tsipras met with Pope Francis at the Vatican on September 18, 2014. Here is a link to their discussion...
http://www.alexistsipras.eu/index.php/9-press-releases/298-pope-francis-meets-with-alexis-tsipras
Christine! There is more than that chapter of Daniel to glean from in the scenario you were arguing over!
How are you missing such an important step in understanding prophecy to make the claims you make about it?
Chapter and verse from all over the bible reveals the whole counsel of God in a subject for goodness sakes!
You have a one trick pony approach to scripture evidently or you would let all of pertaining scripture unfold itself to lead to the real facts of what we are to see regarding it.
I will not take your mere opinions based in such a limited view as fact.
You must clarify with a lot more scripture to be authoritative about what it says........
There is absolutely no humility in your handling of holy writ in this matter (and in many many more I must add) and is grievous error in attitude alone.
Mary C Erikson,
you wrote at 5:40 PM: "that is exactly what I did, but the blog admin deleted the three or four extensive posts"
How dare you be so coldly dismissive? You know full well the blog administrator is Constance.
You are truculent, arrogant and we'll above your station lady!
anon 6:08
I chose to say blog admin as that is how it is phrased on the delete notice rather than "Constance" because then in the latter case you might decide to say I was blaming her and "above my station." Seems neither approach works.
okay, Constance deleted them perhaps because of length something she doesn't like, and I don't blame her. They were a more extensive bible study of mostly the first part of Daniel 7 verse by verse, more like sentence by sentence, and to get the information you can see http://seventhchapterofdaniel.blogspot.com/2014/10/4-beasts-of-daniel-7.html though it is not as detailed, and assumes the reader is checking a Bible on their own.
http://seventhchapterofdaniel.blogspot.com/2014/09/forget-statue-look-at-monsters.html this dismisses the statue dream as relevant to our time and why.
anon 6:12
chapter and verse from all over the bible is relevant, yes, but they cannot be interpreted in a way that is contrary to something this explicit.
eagle winged lion taken down and made more human; bear with ribs in mouth that cheer it on; sound familiar so far? four winged four headed leopard - could be China. fourth beast indescribable and conquers the rest, and FROM OUT OF THIS comes the antichrist, who then persecutes and prevails against the saints until the Second Coming.
Well, of course one could quite easily see what sort of 'Magic' and occult forums Mary C Erikson has fondly posted in over the years; all one needs to do is Google "Mary Christine Erikson" chakra, or "Mary Christine Erikson " tantra, or "Mary Christine Erikson " magic, just for starters!
"chapter and verse from all over the bible is relevant, yes, but they cannot be interpreted in a way that is contrary to something this explicit."
That is just the gloss coat and shallow approach to scripture I am warning you about.
Not only relevant--much more than that-the very Authority of God and how foolish a statement for you to make. (a terrible explanation)
Chritine, you rush in where angels fear to tread.
To the anons discussing Russia:
I would say that an invasion of Estonia is not out of the question. Jeff Nyquist has a rather lengthy piece on just where we are at with what's going on over in Ukraine:
The Dark Side Of The Moon
He also had a great interview on some radio program a few months back - can't remember whose it was; Cliff Kincaid at AIM maybe?
To those who think we would just bomb the heck out of anyone nuking a few of our cities, we'd all like to wish that were true, and I suppose our military had a few surprises that none of us knows about, but the truth is that those decision makers in the military responsible for creating strategy and implementing it by buying hardware and weapons, etc, do not understand the nature of the Game we are in - the Great Game, as it used to be called. They think it ended in 1990-1991, along with the Soviet Union. They also think the "game" that started on Nov. 11, 2001, is a new one, not connected at all with old one, and that there is no need to have all those nuclear weapons in our arsenal because we can win any wars now with smart weapons against primitive enemies - that being the only kind that exist now. They have been completely wrong.
anon 6:26,
nope, the logic I am using is why you have to admit to the Incarnation of God vs. attempts to cherry pick only proof texts that make Jesus out to look like a great angel or a great man. There are explicit points like John 1:1-4 which put the lie to arian and mormon and JW misuse of other Scriptures which, though true enough, are only part of the picture.
If you have Daniel 7 showing that four empires seque into the Second Coming, then they are not the ones the statue is about. If this upsets your pre trib apple cart, good, maybe you will prepare for persecution - which even if not the antichrist will probably come in the form of ISIS to Europe and America in the next few years if it isn't destroyed in time. Then there are other sources of persecution.
Persecution is nothing new to the church, and has gone on all along except in comparatively peaceful europe and america. But that isn't the whole world.
Basic question. Are you prepared to suffer and die and let those you love suffer and die rather than deny Christ or do even worse, worship a false god?
or are you expecting to be rescued before it is an issue? (I don't dare delete and re edit or some liar will say I had originally posted vile things, such as was said on the previous blog comments.)
Christine I am not pre-trib. (and you prove you have a bone to pick to even bring that up).
You argue because that is what you do (and make a very poor contribution here because of it for years now-years!)
It is a deep flaw in your character or you would let it go and stick to the point and back up what you supposedly 'expound'.
I think you cherry-pick text for your bible arguments basically 9x out of 10 and it shows in that you are not willing to post more of scripture to back up the Daniel portion.
All I asked is to see how you came to your particular view and you won't support it with the much more there should be to make it cohesive to the theme?
Are you just stubborn...or without a valid viewpoint....or both?
And why would I think myself an exception to persecution in the light of what is happening currently to Christians in a multitude of places right now who are standing for Christ unashamed and losing their lives-their heads-as we speak?
The fox is in the henhouse.
"All I asked is to see how you came to your particular view and you won't support it with the much more there should be to make it cohesive to the theme? "
I did support it in detail verse by verse, but it was deleted for space probably by Constance. go to the
seventhchapterofdaniel links I gave and open your bible to Daniel 7 and see if it makes sense or not.
This isn't as detailed as I had posted. Stop telling me I won't tell you how I came to my conclusion, I already did and how I came to the conclusion was READING THE BIBLE WITHOUT MODERN PROPHECY EXPERT COMMENTARY HELP. Statue dream ends with setting up of the Kingdom of Heaven, which was done at Jesus' Incarnation Atoning Death and Resurrection. It doesn't mention the last judgement or the saints ruling.
4 beasts vision ends with the Ancient of Days coming and judging and the saints ruling.
Not the same thing as statue dream. All the speculations of prophecy experts now are geared to assuming that the statue dream is relevant to today at all, yet also four ancient empires.
The fourth beast's ten horns relate it to Revelation's ten horns 7 heads beast. And it has the body of a leopard, feet of a bear and mouth of a lion, so its infrastructure is Chinese (big investments and development in Africa) weapons and transport Russian in origin (ditto) and it will either be English speaking (there is a city on seven hills in Nigeria, and a cataclysm might make it a deep water port or this might be a totally separate issue), or in some way claim to uphold the values of anglo america (big money crony capitalism anyone?) or use some line of argument to support itself, and eventually it will have three rulers displaced by one who will be the antichrist.
Daniel is too explicit to ignore. the 70 weeks either are over and done with, or we are in a lacuna of unspecified length of time. Probably the latter.
Christina
Come on now.
I would love to see you become a valuable part of this community.
But you have had 8 posts since 5:40pm and, most of them are arguing back and forth with other posters regarding your viewpoints. Not debating, but, arguing.
I really don't like to see you get slammed alot of the time but, sooner or later some do reach a breaking point.
"I would love to see you become a valuable part of this community. "
Might be too late for that.
Even Constance is getting tired now.
Repeated warnings and now starting to delete her posts and still she persists.
Something is quite wrong with this picture.
To: 8:46 pm vis a vis Buchman -
I will be dealing with that, Keswick links, the "guidance" morphing into the New Age "channeling" and Buchman's frequent calls for a "New World Order" using that very terminology. Stay tuned for that information. I can't judge Buchman's heart, but some of the fruits were more than suspicious.
Constance
To 5.56pm,
Suppose there were a committed Christian who had a talent for networking and politics; how better could he spend his life in Europe from 1945 onwards than in working for Franco-German reconciliation and inoculating against communism?
What you say about Buchman might be correct but I ask you to consider how you would tell the difference. I look forward to hearing more from Constance about him.
Mary,
I am compiling a small dossier on you which shall be emailed to Constance. A few excerpts of which may be posted here.
Through what I have found, I believe you to be ingrained in the occult and are here solely to try and destroy this blog. How much did you get for your house in University Avenue, Palo Alto, CA when you alledgedly put it up for sale back in 2010? Enough to move to Florida? You are traceable and exposable! I suggest you limit your posts drastically and post only according to topic and in a manner truly obedient to exposing the New Age Movement ; and not promote occult nonsense. Otherwise LEAVE this blog COMPLETELY!
Think carefully before responding erratically and wickedly, for which allegedly , I put it to you, you have become known.
A short exposure of Mary's dabbling in occult forums may follow soon...
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
here is an example of what you are talking about:
In a message dated 1/27/2009 11:00:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Infowolf1@aol.com writes:
There has always been a certain slop over between Christianity
and other stuff, but probably the vast majority accused were
innocent. However there was something odd about Tituba and her
parlor games, and about her master having her on board and
allowing all this in the first place.
I wonder if Samuel Parrish was some kind of unidicted witch
overseer conspirator in the first place? In the days of slavery
and flogging even non slave inferiors at times being legal, and
this guy had a most unChristian temperament, if he was so
Christian on external details at least and serious about the
no witches angle on it, why didn't he keep better control over
her activities in the first place?
My guess is, that some people learned a few tricks and at
least one learned that you can not only get out of your body,
but you can change your looks....ah, the potential for making
chaos, go mess with someone while you look like a neighbor.
people who play with demonic and occult (sure it means
hidden, and 90% of what's hidden is nothing but trouble)
sometimes get possessed or messed up themselves, even the
occultists warn the Ouija Board is dangerous. So the fits of
Tituba's students are not surprising. You don't get possessed
as distinct from just attacked out of the blue for no reason.
Mary Christine Erikson
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE I AM FRIENDLY TO THIS BEHAVIOR DOES IT? you snipe at the occult but do you go out and challenge it in its online dens or undermine the ideas that it is harmless? Notice that I countered the ploy that "occult" simply means "hidden" which is of course the same as saying, "not evil" by pointing out that what is hidden is 90% trouble.
What anti occult and anti materialist gillibility ideas did I sow in readers' minds? I don't know but at least I tried.
How terribly your poor mother must have suffered, driven out of her wits as she tried her best to get you to be obedient and loving towards her, Mary, yet alledgedly she self-harmed under the pressure of it all. When did your alleged rebellion against her begin? Was it back in the early 60s (before your experimentations began)? Did you kick and scream all the way along North California Ave as she wearily took you to school at Jordan Junior High from which perhaps you absconded regularly? The ordeal!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
The most fire I drew here was when I would show how to use New Age issues AGAINST THEM. Maybe YOU are the New Age plant here, who doesn't like anyone learning how some New Age issues can be turned against them. Nowdays some anon starts up attacking even when I am posting consistent with the blog main post by Constance, and not continuing an earlier argument. Hmmm. maybe that's you? I don't think wallowing in EU politics and spouting pretrib sentiments does much to fight the New Age or its NWO manifestations. So this is safe in your mind, but something that hits to the heart, or that suggests creation of safe zones to run to or provides some argument for national sovereignty other than the antichrist wants a one world govt., is too dangerous, because THOSE arguments could be put to use by some here, dealing with people who are not Christian or not fundamentalists like me and I hope many here. such unbelievers might get persuaded to work against this stuff.
Then there is the happy illusion that most Americans are good Christians similar to who is here. Well, that's not the case, and you need to trim your arguments to the other people.
and I'm sending a copy to Constance, your post and mine, because she is probably too busy to read this blog right now, on better research than you are doing.
Mary,
In view of your previous comment above (which may be concluded by many as allegedly an attempt to distract from your dabbling and stomach churning content in occult forums) I am left with no option than to begin reproducing your alleged posts and the forum addresses from whence they came.
A few exhibits shall follow soon from the immense dossier compiled... (I'm busy now, so it must wait a brief while as I don't have the opportunity to stay all night and day at the computer blog-clogging, unlike a certain someone. Mirror required?)
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
A bit of history re: Mary Christine Erikson (Justina)....
Below is a post found on the orthodoxchristianity.net forum, and my point in posting it is not to bring up the topic or thread being discussed at the time, but to point out that wherever Justina has been in the past, she has caused strife, arguments, and has ultimately been banned. Apparently this has happened more than once.
I think the only reasonable option is to ban her here as well, ask her to move on to someplace (her own blog, for instance) where the other readers find her contributions valuable, and to wish her well.
Please, Constance, think it over. Seriously.
Here's the post, from 2010:
This lady is a recent convert to Orthodoxy and has spent probably a year and more literally bombarding the Orthodox e-lists with the Protestant teaching of penal substitutionary atonement.
Priest after priest has attempted to reason with her on the Orthodox lists and forums. All to no avail. Her messages can become intemperate and even obscene and she has ended up being banned from every Orthodox list she has been writing on.
I am sorry to write so bluntly but the warning should be put out there.
Firstly, "penal substitutionary atonement" is the doctrine of orthodox small o protestant and RC Christians such as the rest of us here.
Secondly, it is also the doctrine of Orthodoxy, as a search in The Fathers will show, and the denial of it is a recent heresy crept into seminaries in the past 150 years.
Thirdly, you should be less concerned with compatibility with a community than with TRUTH, so your attack here is predicated a. on worldly even antibiblical standards and b. hypocritical given that that particular issue is one all here who are Christian share.
FOURTHLY IT WAS A LIE. I never got kicked out for that, but ALWAYS GOT KICKED OUT FOR GETTING VERBALLY ANGRY AT THE CODDLING OF PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS AND THE PREACHING OF MISAPPLICATION OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS AND NOT JUDGING IN SUCH A WAY THAT THESE DOCTRINES ARE TWISTED TO SUPPORT EVIL.
This is another issue that has crept into Orthodoxy having first raised its ugly head in protestantism, liberal Christian to atheist but likes some Christian ideas so far as useful types of the world, and I fear in RC as well to cover sins there.
Both the lie and the truth look to me like a plus not minus point for me.
Also I am still on a few Orthodox lists. Just not ones run by the one who ran those I was kicked out of or frequented by the mendacious creep who wrote it.
Everybody strap in! We're about to open some windows!
Hi anon 3:56 PM, I don't doubt your post but please could you kindly provide a tinyurl for it? Thank you on behalf of everyone here.
"Christine Erikson (aka Justina)4:04 PM
Also I am still on a few Orthodox lists. Just not ones run by the one who ran those I was kicked out of or frequented by the mendacious creep who wrote it."
By his fruits thus far, he appears to be a sound minded and clean living Christian to me, Mary!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Quite, 4:28 PM!
A man of sound judgment and decent moral principle fueled by Christian honest exposure!
why, because he kicks out someone who yells BULLSHIT! when he or his posters say homosexuals shouldn't be given the cold shoulder or defrocked if priests? someone who screams bloody murder when a little research on someone referred to in a way cued me she was a tranny, a hint I think from a deacon who figured I'd get the hint and go for the jugular, but didn't dare address the truth?
there is a person called varvara and Barbara-Marie Drezhlo who run an Orthodox blog that looks like she is ROCOR and favors old time tsarist Russian ways. (IT does. but IT isn't in ROCOR they wouldn't put up with IT's crap, IT is an OCA church whose priest is either deceived as to IT's original sexual identity or is perv friendly. IT is apparently descended from Russian nobility, not known for their purity and holiness in the late 1800s.)
A little digging found IT posting on a transexual board, advising an 18 year old young man to lie to the shrink to get okayed for the operation, and mentioning IT took four (or was it five?) years of hormone therapy before he could become a she.
I posted all this, denounced this pious fraud who blithered about "the holy canons" regarding petty jurisdictional issues of Russian derived Orthodox churches in conflict in the USA, herself belonging to the disputed one, while living in violation of two of the most serious him/herself.
I got kicked out.
Dear 4.15pm no 2,
It's at
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=11389.435;wap2
I found this by googling an extended quote from the text stated at 3.56pm.
Incidentally there is no need for tinyurl. If a URL (web address) printed here overruns to the right when viewed, you can still highlight as a block the 3 lines comprising it and the lines above and below it, then paste those into any text file, then edit and paste into your browser. All the characters are preserved even if they weren't visible. If the lines above and below it are blank, you can edit and paste it directly into your browser.
On behalf of 3:56 PM, here's the tinyurl link you asked for 4:15 PM
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/foru
m/index.php?topic=11389.435;wap2
or
http://tinyurl.com/cmn9jrj
Salt stings but it also sanitises
She's a troll. Stop feeding her, the evidence is clear, abundant and obvious.
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Yes Mary but your own unrepentant confession here that you are living in sin with someone who dived full-on into worshipping the Devil (according to you) and continues to dabble in clairvoyancy (out of wedlock, and not fornicating recently because he's come down with an illness (( is it sexually transmitted?))).
Constance,
Reading the Emil Ludwig piece in your book is a reminder that it seems to be happening all over again. It would be nice if more people would listen to Edwin Black. IBM is all over the data mining again.
Again praying for the Jews in Europe....and for everything else.
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Free Speech, Dead Jews, Obama Joins the BDS Movement
www.seraphicpress.com/free-speech-dead-jews-obama-joins-the-bds-movement/#more-23998
"A short exposure of Mary's dabbling in occult forums may follow soon... Salt stings but it also sanitises!"
We await...
Anon 4:45 AM,
I have not forgotten.... as soon as I've a moment free I shall deliver the necessary information.
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Dear Marko, 6:35 P.M.,
I read Nyquist's article you linked us to. I found the following particularly interesting:
Let us be wary of Julia Tymoshenko and her associates (whose bread crumbs lead back to Gazprom). It is hardly fair to say, in the last analysis, that the revolt in Ukraine was the result of American meddling. It was the result of decades of misrule by Russia’s secret agents and secret Soviet structures, and decades of a controlled economy and crony capitalism.
Let us not forget too, that when Julia Tymoshenko was in prison Javier Solana was among those hollering the loudest for her release..... from his little perch at the Brookings Institution where Strobe Talbott ( a.k.a. "Russia's man in Washington") is among Solana's "new best friends."
Another player is the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk who sounds like he is playing both ends against the middle and hedging his bets.
Ukraine's Victor Pinchuk: The Oligarch In The Middle Of The Crisis
This story appears in the March 24, 2014 issue of Forbes.
http://tinyurl.com/mybpvws
___________________________
More on Pinchuk going back to 2008......
Can the New Rich Buy Respect? One Ukrainian Oligarch Is Trying
By LANDON THOMAS Jr.
Published: August 7, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/nh9hkyv
________________________________
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be the oligarchs who are being blamed for the conflict in Ukraine. It is primarily the Greek Catholics ("Uniates") who are being scapegoated....primarily by the Putin-friendly Stalin approved Moscow Patriarchate.
Should Barbara Marx Hubbard be allowed to post here? What about the CEO of Lucis Trust (especially if they chose to promote the lies and deception they are famed for ( even if they claimed to be only EO now)?
There is ever the question as to who Ms. Erikson is. Especially when one learns of her frequent posts in an occult forum belonging to a site devoted to magic aka witchcraft!
A few of Mary Christine Erikson 's posts from such shall be exhibited, which are only a few babbling bubbles of her vile brew spilling from a cauldron fueled by Hell itself!
One can only but wonder as to whether it was through one of these forums where she met her live-in 'lover', or as she puts it, her "Resident Seer " who, she admits, is [alledgedly] a "recovering devil worshipper " still engaged in clairvoyancy.
I apologize in advance for the long-winded posts of her stomach churning correspondence with witches in occult forums, and for their long Web addresses, which necessarily must be reproduced so as to authenticate exposure of her. I have provided tinyurls also. For reasons of space, I have taken the liberty of tidying her posts into paragraphs a little.
However, I have not deleted nor added to her content nor changed any other poor grammar she has applied therein. The content of such will now become apparent in the following exhibits.
salt stings but it also sanitises!
Exhibit 1
(Subject:JISCMail - ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Archives - February 2008
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A1=ind0802&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC)
A question about Ganesh
From:
Mary Christine Erikson
Reply-To:
Society for The Academic Study of Magic
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:32:25 EST
"I noticed the photo of a status of Ganesh or Ganesha on the page with the Tantra and witchcraft book. I have noticed this particular Hindu character turns up a lot in some occult circles, that are often tantric, eclectic pagan, etc."
"A brief glance at him with the trunk and if arms flail a bit, and he looks a bit like the Cthulhu characters with tentacles on the faces. Some of these people also like H. P. Lovecraft."
"Can anyone comment on this?"
'Mary Christine Erikson'
JISCMail - ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Archives -
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind0802&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC&F=&S=&P=59107
or
http://tinyurl.com/p7asgam
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Exhibit 1
(Subject:JISCMail - ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Archives - February 2008
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A1=ind0802&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC)
A question about Ganesh
From:
Mary Christine Erikson
Reply-To:
Society for The Academic Study of Magic
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:32:25 EST
"I noticed the photo of a status of Ganesh or Ganesha on the page with the Tantra and witchcraft book. I have noticed this particular Hindu character turns up a lot in some occult circles, that are often tantric, eclectic pagan, etc."
"A brief glance at him with the trunk and if arms flail a bit, and he looks a bit like the Cthulhu characters with tentacles on the faces. Some of these people also like H. P. Lovecraft."
"Can anyone comment on this?"
'Mary Christine Erikson'
JISCMail - ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Archives -
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind0802&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC&F=&S=&P=59107
or
http://tinyurl.com/p7asgam
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Exhibit 2
"I don't think this is the source of Tantric influence. Several books - and
Crowley and anyone influenced by a guy named Randolph in the 1800s
USA and the founder of OTO before Crowley in Europe - substantially
teach tantra, at least as regards the sexual angle."
"The Chakra system, already known thanks to Theosophy and others, is
entrenched in pagan and witchcraft consciousness, whether or not it
was ever a part of it, and is not limited to tantra but is I think a part of it."
"The Tantric influence in general is from Theosophy and its influencees.
Serious pure tantra plus tantric scripture references and so forth, of
course would be later, but the basic ideas were here long before Tibetan
refugees."
"I think that the body energy system, incl. the chakras and meridians and acupuncture points, considered by some energy feeding or psi vampires as lesser chakras, are an objective reality, though some details on them may be more dogmatic than pragmatic."
'Mary Christine Erikson'
In a message dated 2/10/2008 10:50:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
"To rough out the likelihood of Tibetan Tantric influences on Neo-
Pagan Craft during the early years, I poked around a little on the
web."
"Contact between Tibet and the USA and England were quite limited
pre-WWII."
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webad
min?A3=ind0802&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC&E=
quoted-printable&P=336012&B=------------
-------------------1202686289&T=text%2Fh
tml;%20charset=US-ASCII
Or
http://tinyurl.com/ndddvqv
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Exhibit 3
"I rarely post online here, but referring to "that fourflusher Crowley' is hardly an academic approach."
"Nor is regarding a highly syncretic magical system which incoporates elements of Tantra, yoga, mysticism and ritual as simply "magical masturbation" a very valid apporach, whether or not one subscribes to its tenets."
"As to what constitutes "perverse tendencies", that could be a long debate. But, Mary Christine, you seem to have already made up your mind..."
'Leigh Blackmore '
----- Original Message -----
From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Mary Christine Erikson
To: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] magic
"The reason they do so, is that they are the same sort as those whose
desire to adore and be devoted fanatically, and rather defensively it
seems in this case, to something, was harnessed by that fourflusher
Crowley."
"I wouldn't waste your time with that, ah, system. It is essentially a
system of the magical masturbation sort mentioned earlier, plus a way to get laid. And excuse for all sorts of perverse tendencies and shortcircuit energy crap, like buggery to stimulate kundalini and so forth."
"Mary Christine"
In a message dated 6/11/2008 4:49:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
"It is the first time I have encountered magic where its participants approach it like a dogmatic religion with creed and faith... so I am curious. What it grew out of ( see, moved on) was a foundation of the Golden Dawn which was not approached like a religion with a creed".
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A3=ind0806&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC&E=quoted-printable&P=541817&B=------%3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C8CC11.0A303160&T=text%2Fhtml; charset=iso-8859-1 -https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A3=ind0806&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC&E=quoted-printable&P=541817&B=------%3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C8CC11.0A303160&T=text%2Fhtml;%20charset=iso-8859-1
Or
http://tinyurl.com/pk4umhx
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Exhibit 4
"Or any other non-Godly spirit for that matter, malevolent or otherwise."
On Feb 16, 2008 9:32 AM, Felicia <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On Feb 15, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Mary Christine Erikson wrote:
"The other sort, who get too independent, may in some cases reflect some spirit moving into the shell and using it."
"Relatedly, you do of course realize that the homunculus as Crowley used the term is specifically created to be independent of its creator and
must therefore be released to have a life of its own. If its creator
is incapable of releasing it, then it does kill its creator. "
"For some odd reason, Crowley seems never to have connected the magical?formula of creating a homunculus to that of the golem. But, the two seem similar. Pondering... I wonder if anyone in the Man of Earth grade has ever given consideration to the definitions of 'golem' and 'adam' and related them to 'man of earth'?"
"As to the definition of 'demon', one might be well-served to consider a
demon to be an angel one was not ready for."
Felicia Swayne-Heidrick
-- Ty Falk
~~~~~~~
Erisian
Anthropologist
Grand Rapids, MI, USA
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A3=ind0802&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC&E=7bit&P=525068&B=------%3D_Part_1256_17669673.1203172685450&T=text%2Fhtml; charset=ISO-8859-1 -https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A3=ind0802&L=ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC&E=7bit&P=525068&B=------%3D_Part_1256_17669673.1203172685450&T=text%2Fhtml;%20charset=ISO-8859-1
Or
http://tinyurl.com/mypvwmh
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Wow. Breathtaking. Great work! Very impressive,TCFAYD.
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is that all you can find? a few posts where I criticize the wisdom of some practices,
denounce Crowley and got slapped for it?
point out the stupidity and danger of making astral robots and point out that demons are an issue, and I notice it is NOT my words but the occultists' words rejecting my statements that gets your spotlight? Why does Felicia Swayne-Heidrick's opinion matter?
of course I forgot. My apologies. you are not a serious Christian but a New Ager who values community compatibility and not the truth. how could I forget when that style is stamped all over your posts. SORRY I ASKED WHY YOU VALUE SWAYNE-HEIDRICK'S STATEMENTS INSTEAD OF POSTING WHAT SHE REACTED TO, WHICH WOULD HAVE SHOWN THAT I AM NO FRIEND OF THEIR PRACTICES.
All that matters is that I not stir up controversy, in your eyes. peace, unity, oneness that is all you value, doesn't matter who or what with.
digging into history and refuting wiccan claims of antiquity back to prehistoric europe by showing East India related mix in dates wicca to late 1800s at earliest, this effort to RUIN ITS CREDIBILITY is supposed evidence of my support of it.
anon 7:12 et seq, you are beneath contempt.
http://www.thenewantifederalist.com/2014/10/the-ebola-czar-bundler-and-political.html
more dead people, not reporters but bankers and an interesting guy linked to the ebold czar company above
http://alt-market.com/articles/2509-six-people-died-in-a-fiery-ny-train-crash-packed-with-400-people-3-were-top-investment-bankers
...also finally learned the nazi nato connections today, sad!
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found this:
Thank you 3 stars,
I appreciate your support in this matter.
You'll notice Mary raving and squirming in her follow-up post (no doubt her demons are furious ((along with her 'res seer' witch?)) .
You'll notice, nowhere does Mary take a Christian stance in her posts, quite the opposite... we see her frequenting witchcraft occult sites, mingling in with other witches in the forums and always arguing from an occult / Wiccan position as they bicker over what's in the brew and who (Crowley, Manson, Beatles, etc) put it there.
I put the full posts up to fairly show her interactions
with her coven fellows. Their views as well as hers sicken me, though hers employ the more perverse language, as you can see in the last words of her 2nd paragraph in Exhibit 3.
No Christian could enjoy posting in occult sites as Mary does. She also posts from the perspective of someone dabbling in the fruit of evil and NOT as someone wanting to expose it in the light of truth as a Christian would do (though probably not by cavorting within the covens and there forums themselves unlike Mary Christine Erikson!).
There's plenty more but I shall wait a while so as not to blog-hog unlike a certain clogger getting exposed slowly but surely here!
God bless you richly, 3 stars.
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
4th paragraph down in my previous post, the line before the last therein (...'there forums themselves '...), should read 'their '.
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
anon 8:19 vomited while striking a haughty pose,
"You'll notice, nowhere does Mary take a Christian stance in her posts, quite the opposite... we see her frequenting witchcraft occult sites, mingling in with other witches in the forums and always arguing from an occult / Wiccan position as they bicker over what's in the brew and who (Crowley, Manson, Beatles, etc) put it there."
you will notice I argue that the spirits they are pleased to deal with can be blamed in part for the massacre at issue. THAT IS A CHRISTIAN STANCE. Some of these people deny the objective existence of evil spirits and think they and the whole universe are a projection of their unconscious minds, which ritual brings into focus. I CHALLENGE THAT, whenever possible by drawing on the one thing they will notice, their own experiences as recorded. Or those of others as recorded.
"Their views as well as hers sicken me, though hers employ the more perverse language, as you can see in the last words of her 2nd paragraph in Exhibit 3."
oh my how hoity toity and proper we are, just like the veddy veddy proper pedophiles in upper class Britain. ooh, we can't can't call something for what it is.
those 3 paragraphs of which 2 is part, are not my post, but the post of Crowley fan Leigh Blackmore who denounces me for calling Crowley a fourflusher and for disimissing most of his system as mental masturbation and for ascribing to him "perverse tendencies."
third paragraph in exhibit three is the rebuke I got from a Crowley and sex magick fan ""I rarely post online here, but referring to "that fourflusher Crowley' is hardly an academic approach."
"Nor is regarding a highly syncretic magical system which incoporates elements of Tantra, yoga, mysticism and ritual as simply "magical masturbation" a very valid apporach, whether or not one subscribes to its tenets."
"As to what constitutes "perverse tendencies", that could be a long debate. But, Mary Christine, you seem to have already made up your mind..."
'Leigh Blackmore '"
yeah you exposed me all right, as a warrior against evil.
And you will tolerate anything as long as honest description is left out and they will tolerate anything as long as it is phrased in an "academic" way.
Are you sure you aren't one of the regulars on that egroup?
Anyway, that's Mary Christine Erikson exposed for all to see no matter how much she tries to project and muddy the water. Like all those unrepentant devils who delight in darkness, she hates her deeds exposed in the light of truth. Back to the topic now, God willing!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
God bless you, TYCFAYD.
God bless MCE... by binding up any wicked spirits in her, seperating them from the soul and casting them to the pit. In the mighty name of Jesus.
And the people said?
Amen.
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It is a real sewer than Christine has been swimming in. Not just swimming--diving in--and doing the backstroke around that sewer pond. And wants to "talk" and "teach" us the bible no less, as though she has all knowledge? We can see what her mind is full of...
Constance exposes the new age and it's various networkings without the nosedives into the filth of it. That is where Christine is way off-way way off-to her own harm and the harm of others as well. She does not fight the new age, she wallows in it.
God help you, Christine, to repent before the cross of Jesus while there is still time.
http://library.alibris.com/The-Global-Brain-Awakens-Our-Next-Evolutionary-Leap-Peter-Russell/book/2625743
http://www.thedarwinproject.com/about/council.html
Should BM Hubbard's friends be allowed to post here either? Palo Alto is home to global brain inc. They published Peter Russel's books.
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again good work TFAYDC.
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Palo Alto is home to over 50,000 people. I never had to do with the New Age nonsense stuff anyway. But I did notice a peculiar atmosphere there which had a kind of semi paralyzing effect.
Amen indeed, three stars (10:15 AM)! Excellent find on Palo Alto... it explains alot! MCE has resorted to lying through her false teeth again as she gnashes out, shunning the truth and prefering to tango with Bealzebub and the Beatles along the Palo Alto path to the Everlasting Bonfire!
10:35 AM, it is absolutely a forum/s of cess MCE has been adding to and swimming / drowning in! As I said before, she needs to repent to Jesus Christ humbly and get clean!
God help her and cause her to repent if she isn't completely seared already!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
I regret having apologised to you in the past Mary, I have sat back and read (only posting occasionally and always on articles relevant to the topic at hand.) Over these last few years I have watched you grow bolder, viler and more arrogantly New Age in your posts. You have taken this blog hostage for far too long now, even causing some to show symptoms of Stockholm syndrome towards you and apologising where they needn't have done. You have taken kindness for weakness and have ridden roughshod over it with demonic pomp and sneering hubris inflating daily like a puss-filled boil! Enough is enough! I gave you sound advice and you insulted me for it, as you have done so many times to others here. You are a witch, a fraud and a downright nuisance: Dorothy, despite all my past disagreements with her, is almost a saint compared to you. I await in hope for the day you are banned from here until you can repent humbly, sincerely and with lasting duration! I want, God willing, as little communication as possible with you Mary. I wipe the dust off my feet as far as you're concerned, except where it comes to exposing you, refuting and rebuking you in Jesus Holy Name.
That is all for now,
Frank.
Praise you Lord Jesus Christ, I acknowledge you have the glory in all that works for good. Blessed is he that comes in the Name of the Lord!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
"One of my more interesting early discoveries was the significant role California’s Stanford University was playing in all of this. That role has not diminished."
Constance Cumbey -2007
http://www.newswithviews.com/Cumbey/constance2.htm
Stanford in in Palo Alto as well. Usually the professors own the homes right of campus and they are usually very expensive. Not unlike a doctor's neighborhood near a hospital. 2007 was the first post by MCE that I found on this blog but maybe there are others.
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http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/17/isis-threat-puts-rome-on-high-alert-never-so-exposed/
"Smart Grid technology is a major part of United Nations Agenda 21 (see 'Just Say No to Big Brother's Smart Meters - The Latest in Bio-Hazard Technology'), the United Nations' plan to herd a drastically reduced population into "human habitat areas," meaning ultra-modern super cities with stack em’ and pack em’ dwelling structures and zero contact with nature and the outside world."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_bigbrother157.htm
don't bother me about what is on the rest of this site, I am only interested
in the specific pages I post or link to.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_agenda21.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/no-big-brother-smart-meters.pdf
this is about the Internet of Things or
IoT. but if I delete and repost with this in it, to minimize my posts, the person who likes to talk about pus filled boils will probably falsely accuse me of having posted some obscenity then deleted it. This happened already before.
Now I plan to go quiet for a couple of days.
Frank,
Are you aware that your mission to tear down
Christine is as much of a nuisance as Christine?
Frank, it's a "comments" section of a website. Try to have some perspective here.
Thank you for your 23 posts on this thread, all
denouncing and attacking Ms Erickson.
I get it; her real name is Mary and she's not
wanted here by you, to say the least.
Frank, EVERY PERSON alive is an example of hypocrisy if we are to measure ourselves against
perfection. Every Christian has besetting sins that
we struggle with continually. That's exactly why we need forgiveness.
Frank, it's spelled "SANITIZES'.
And salt is also an electrolyte.
And salt also dehydrates.
And salt is the number one spice.
Salt sown into the ground renders it sterile
so nothing grows there.
And salt preserves.
Salt does lots of things.
Salt just acts like salt and does it's thing, but it has to be physically present to work. Salt doesn't do anything from a distance, I don't think.
If Christine is all tangled up in wrong-headed things then pray for her. It's God that can and will do something about it, at any rate.
Love is patient. Love is kind.
Love doesn't envy and is not puffed up,
does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil,
rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things,...'
It's just a website, Frank.
Unless of course you're a jammer too.
Do I think Frank has overdone this exposure of Christine Erikson? In a word yes because of the volume of the posts to do it so I agree with you there, Paul. Only links provided to show the garbage she loves to revel in without it displayed here would have perhaps been better (?) in my mind. And yes, I agree that prayer for her is what should done by those inclined to care for her deplorable spiritual condition.
But, I also know that her use of this blog has been atrocious and deserves censure. She could not be more blazing in her hypocrisy {{{{{{{so who are you Paul, to compare her to the rest of us, who are just living our privately kept lives and visiting a website to learn valuable information and not wanting to make our selves an issue?}}}}}}}
With, yes, many things in our hearts that personally need addressed by the Lord--true that-----but----she has set herself up (do not miss that key point) in a well seen and heard very public 'high place' that deserves the public knockdown.
Actually it is for her own sake (truth be known well at least what I hope is true and not exposure for it's own sake) to make her get real about the ugly things she has thought it her duty to expose here, all the while, all she has really actually exposed is her ugly thinking and apparent unbiblical beliefs and ensuing lifestyle.
For that I commend Frank that he has effectively proven by her own words who she is. The word wolf she included in her own email address for herself is so apt.
It is up to Constance since it is her blog to deal with Christine and it is only a comments section of a blog-have said that very thing myself-but can you actually say you know the heart of Frank in his reason to have done this?
It is a favor to expose error and why this blog exists.
Which makes it too bad for Christine as she is 'the emperor is wearing no clothes' and I among others are sickened by her nasty and naked -raw- displays here--for count them--years. She is no friend and no good neighbor to anyone who visits this site because she has done (so repeatedly and so unrelenting-dogmatically-as to be able ascribe it as her motivation) what she wants to do with it........make it all about her......................and no champion of upholding biblical truth and exposure of new age error but exactly the opposite.
You are free to go support her at her own blog-have at it! Enjoy the rants of x-tina as you have called her to your hearts content!
Her world is a roaring and ungodly pit and should be her own business at her own blog.
I'm done. This blog is stupid. Any three stars after this is not me.
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I for one was pleased to see selections of what Christine Erikson has posted elsewhere being exhibited here. This material certainly correlates with the nonsense she frequently posts here, and whoever posted it here is obviously doing so only for a limited duration unlike Christine herself. My only regret was that stronger examples of her wrong thought, which the poster implied were known to him, were not posted above.
The previous thread on this blog discussed the Pope's comments about climate change and the Vatican's response. Here are some more details, form an official spokesman: the Vatican is considering setting up a section of the Roman Curia devoted to climate change and other environmental issues.
Will it pay due weight to the fact that there has been is no statistically significant warming for well over a decade although carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have continued to increase?
Paul, sanitise can also mean to disinfect. Also, I am not American and the Australian, British, Canadian and New Zealander spelling has two s's and no z's in it. I suggest you take the log out of your own eye first!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank
This is 1148am. I forgot to post the link to news of the Vatican department of climate change and environment. Here it is:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/02/12/pope-environment-idINL5N0VM52420150212
Anon 10:44 AM and 11:43 AM, thank you for your kind support!
Mary has been allowed to get away with destroying this blog and (even if not consciously) creating wanton ruin to its owner, Constance, where thanks and deep respect is due by all concerned about the persecution of Christians and Jews by New Agers and the horror of the New Age Movement.
Yes, perhaps posting just the tinyurls may have sufficed but I felt it proper that people should see directly for themselves here in case they glossed over the links as purportedly inconsequential or insubstantial.
I have been patient as have others for a long time now, however it is deeply frustrating to see the damage that Mary has meeted out here. I do not see her as genuine, sorry but her fruits do not bear witness to a changed life. She has not addressed nor repented of what I have exposed but has run on in arrogance obfuscation and poor attempts at trying to muddy and wriggle out of the occult fabric she has woven in such stomach churning 'Magic' forums!
Folks here need to stop mollycoddling her, I believe she knows full well what she is doing but is too arrogant and falsely indignant to cease and desist from her folly. I earnestly hope people will wake up to her hidden dangers here, and I sincerely hope she repents and humbles herself before the Lord Jesus Christ and submits to His Will, the Will of our Heavenly Father and of the Holy Spirit. It is not love not to warn and blow the trumpet when danger is at hand. Love is kind, longsuffering, caring and it is kind and caring to warn others where necessary!
Mary, I suggest you follow Constance's sound advice and read the book: 'The Beautiful Side of Evil'.
You can also see it explained on YouTube. I hope you do so and come out of ALL occult influence in your lif. Choose Jesus Christ over your clairvoyant 'friend'. Repent for you know not what the morrow might bring!
I hope I have clarified my motives for having exposed Christine and, regrettably, taking up so much space with the relevant posts in this matter here.
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank.
Further clarification: Constance, is due thanks and deep respect by all of us here for her hard-work, great patience and dedication in exposing the persecution and coming persecution of Christians and Jews by New Agers and the horror of the New Age Movement.
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank.
Gay Catholic group gets VIP treatment at Vatican for first time
https://can.news.yahoo.com/gay-catholic-group-gets-vip-treatment-vatican-first-150206499.html
Frank,
I learnt from your postings above. If you have anything more revealing still that Christine has posted elsewhere and not retracted, please post it. I am not going to discuss her motives publicly but the more information the better.
Anon 8:25
The link you provided doesn't seem to work.
Time to expose Frank.
First, you do well to oppose extreme patriarchy of the Promise Keepers and
worse sort, and dominionism and such of the new age as you can comprehend.
Looks like galatiansfour.blogspot is "Frank" aka "Bible Believer."
(So much for denunciation of "akas" if you did that.)
by the way, Frank, you need to clean up your filthy mouth. YOUR SPEWING
OF THE WORDS "FILTH." "VOMIT" AND NOW "EXPANDING PUS FILLED BOILS" IS
AS COARSE AS FOUR LETTER WORDS BECAUSE OF THE EXPLICIT DISGUSTING MESS IT
CALLS TO MIND, and YOUR NEW NAME IS "PERSON WHO LIKES TO TALK ABOUT PUS
FILLED BOILS."
the style and content too obvious.
from the tone of most posts BB and "anon" are likely ALL her
comments she is talking to herself and lately seems to think she is the boss of the blog. GET ON SOME MEDS!
http://cumbey.blogspot.com/2012/05/memory-lane-1970-1971.html
"Christine, what filth spews forth from you. You need deliverance."
this was NOT ANYWHERE NEAR my cuss post showing the wrong way to use cussin', no one else complained, only after a lot of posts denouncing new age hijacking quantum physics to warp our world view
and info on how New Age practices are damaging to the soul-body interface system, WHICH MIGHT SHOCK SOME INTO RETHINKING EVERYTHING.
""I want to tell the Galatiansfour blogspot person to just shut up. He
goes on and on about thing he hasn't read in any of the Cumbey material.
He might fool others who haven't read the material either and needs to
read the quote starting "You can fool some of the people...""
"I'm actually a woman, see recent blog article "men and women". I've read
Cumbey's books and articles even on newswithviews for YEARS. The endless
holes of what NOT was said, was always interesting. Cover up for Rome.
And in this blog article is the direct exposure of her praise for
Catholicism."
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/05/men-and-women.html a pretty good
article actually. to be fair, there is a lot that is good at that blog and on some links she favors.
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-decline-of-empathy.html is
good, she might trying developing some empathy herself regarding the
victim of brainwashing and occult child abuse.
hates RC probably a Hislop fan.
PERSON WHO LIKES TO TALK ABOUT PUS FILLED BOILS, YOU IGNORANT SLUT
(QUOTING SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE TAKE ON POINT-COUTNERPOINT), NIMROD AND SEMIRAMIS
WERE AT LEAST CENTURIES AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.
And you DARE talk about my ruining this blog WHEN YOU CALL CONSTANCE "
CONTROLLED OPPOSITION" and imply she's a liar who wants blind followers?
are there vicious multiple anonymice here, or are all of them just "the person who likes to talk about pus filled boils"?
a pattern of harassment exists. (mild asperger's does not
disable, it make you sharper in some ways, discoverer called his
patients "little professors," less social finesse, one thing we do well is SPOT PATTERNS.) several people got attacked
over the years, usually on religious pretext ALWAYS THE ONES WHO DO REAL
GOOD RESEARCH POSTS. I show how to hit New Agers in key points, and get
the most vicious fire.
IF YOU PERSON WHO LIKES TO TALK ABOUT PUS FILLED BOILS ARE IN FACT
A CHRISTIAN WHY WOULD YOU THINK MY GETTING KICKED OFF
EGROUPS FOR PREACHING SUBSTITUTIONARY ATONEMENT WAS A BLACK MARK AGAINST
ME? In fact, it was my explosive reaction to coddling active homosexuals
that got me kicked off. BUT YOU CITE MY DEFENSE OF ATONEMENT AGAINST ME.
Either your real god is not Jesus Christ but community as an end in itself,
OR YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN. But smart enough (or your handler is) to know
you need to pretend to be one to do the most damage here. I wonder if YOU are controlled opposition, whose purpose is to put anti illuminati/globalist in a weird camp in others' minds?
'Scientists May Have Found Proof Of Aliens Creating Life On Earth—Report'
The scientists further claim that extraterrestrial beings may have sent this circular object to create life on earth.
International Business Times AU'
At the appointed time, they'll be cast down to us.
Look up, not at Athens.
Christine @ 10:24 PM.
You have my utmost pity.
Christine,
What counts here are Frank's postings of your own words written elsewhere, and I am grateful to him. If his own accompanying words are substandard, they are a one-off, on this particular thread, whereas you have wrecked dozens of discussions beneath Constance's writings.
I consider that Constance has a duty of care to protect those of us who come here to discuss New Age at a reasonable level, which she is not fulfilling by not barring you. But it is her blog and I am not going to rant against her. I can always leave.
anon 3:00 am
my words posted here, clearly show that I attacked the New Age subjectivist
(and also Vajrayana buddhist) notion that demons don't exist, and are only aspects of your own mind or of some
cosmic brain your mind is a subset of.
here's some more "dirt" on me from yahoo groups you cannot read without joining.
Re: [prepare4contact] The Collins Elite
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Infowolf1@aol.com
Message 1 of 5 , Jul 5, 2012
some of these people are mentioned in this book. And their contacts are
highly suspect, because all of these [ufo] contactees were involved in the
occult and many in fascism.
Infowolf1
NOTE to this blog, a contactee often also a channeler, claims the aliens are advanced good guys, etc. usually from the Pleiades and usually nordic looking.
AN ABDUCTEE has been kidnapped and experimented on, tortured and so forth by aliens who look anything from greys to monstrous, and nordics have been seen working with these and with the reptoids so they are all together and all evil. the information from these abductees,
incl. things they overheard the aliens didn't want them to overhear, is what is valuable. I recommend
Derrell Sims and his forensic and other work on the matter.]
free energy - some of it to stay away from
Infowolf1@aol.comFeb 19 1:07 AM
I mentioned weird physics and free energy. anyone who digs into this, is
going to bumble onto John Keely. but Keely's stuff is to stay away from.
There is a real good case made, by a pro occultism type writer, that
Keely was the secret big cheese of some Theosophical Society
major segment, and his machines often did not work if there were
doubters and hostiles present, and seem in part to depend on energy
fed from or through him.
As such, his stuff would fall in the category of potentially demonic at
worst, human operator psychic dependent at best, ergo useless in the
long run. A peculiar fascination exists about him, reason in itself to be
dubious. Things that enchant are usually not good.
Keely was among those who mixed philosophy with physics and deified
the "luminiferous ether" as distinct from the ether
spacetimeelectromagnetic
matrix, which until the Michelson Morley experiment was a part of standard
scientific theory. Michelson and Morley, however, ran their experiment
on an assumption of direction of flow etc., which if incorrect, meant their
experiment was worthless. Another experiment by someone else, I think
the name was something like Sagne or Sagnac, took this into account
and had different results.
So I would say, steer clear of Keely and everything that depends on the
operator. Anything that uses the human as part of the circuit to feel
out something, or to work, at the very least puts the human at risk
of contact with something. And it is inherently unreliable because the
quality of the human element will vary from time to time, mood swings,
health, etc. Nothing important should be made dependent on this.
The demonic influence potential in such a setup is obvious. This is
why dowsing is Not A Good Idea. it may work, but IF it is working
by a demonic aid (unknown as such to the operator), then the whole
endeavor may be cursed or something. Such behavior was pretty
commonplace in the USA. The fortune telling, horoscope reading
and dowsing to find where to drill for water was all over the map.
There is a very interesting trilogy, Sinister Forces by Peter Levenda,
not a Christian, so his assessment would be of more credibility
to some people.
Mary Christine
A note on wolves. people here may know nothing about them except from parables about shepherds having to protect sheep. But viewed on their own, they are admirable creatures. They are monogamous, mate for life. unlike humans and dogs, they usually don't kill for the fun of it, just to eat. They are intelligent. They have a sense of justice that can make them difficult pets. Though they can run in packs they are not as pack oriented as a dog.
My Infowolf name refers to my respect for them and hunting for information.
The Hi-Jacking of Constance Cumbey’s Blog, Part DLXIII by Christine Erikson
You are wrong about wolves (as you are in much else). I live where wolves were reintroduced only to see that they have great negative impact and destroy needlessly.
Pretty much the same as your effect on this blog.
We become most like what we spend most time beholding. Look at the amount of time spent on the devil's turf that Miss Erikson spends.
This explains the eruptive and disruptive bad behavior and the endless excuses of it that she forces upon this blog.
I make no excuses for fighting evil on its own turf. you need to make excuse for your bindness.
re wolves, reintroduction where they don't have adequate wild prey will bring them onto sheep and cattle of course. an interesting video detailed how their presence caused changes in other animal behavior that resulted in a better streams and related condition. complicated. Personally I wouldn't want them near my pets. And wolf dog hybridization is a bad idea. The results are unpredictable, range from ideal to disastrous, and since the wolf is monogamous and the dog is promiscuous, someone is going to have its heart broken.
My personal history got posted mostly in response to questions or occasionally to prove a point from experience mine or others. Also anyone with similar situations might get some help from my experiences. I am not going to answer any more attacks or questions on these, I will post my email and say contact off the blog.
whoever supported my biological so called mother is probably a
child abuser and maybe a pervert him or herself. The abuse of me included actions that are criminally prosecutable now, in some cases back then also. And she stole thousands of dollars from her mother in law, but that was from a shared bank account meant to be used only in an emergency for Grandmama. This couldn't have been prosecuted but a civil suit, maybe. Definitely the misappropriation of funds gotten by sale of stock that she got Grandmama to sign off on when in the nursing home, and only some of it went to the medical bills, was prosecutable.
This is why I oppose female ordination, despite the fact I can make a biblical and historical case for it. A dear sweet vulnerable seeming little old lady who is evil as hell can appeal to protective reactions against those trying to get rid of her from the priesthood or episcopate.
Someone said all parents manipulate their kids. IGnoring of course the indicators of more than psychological manipulation, AND THE REMARK TOOK FOR GRANTED THAT THIS IS OKAY ALSO, WHICH IT ISN'T.
I turned against her because of her abuse. Read up on malignant narcissism and psychopaths. Take a look at yourself as well as others.
And repent. Pray God forgive you.
You are wrong again about your wolf explanation (the facts are in) and you have only succeeded in making yourself to be one who behaves badly while claiming you have good in mind. And doggedly determined to continue any argument at any cost.
Otherwise known as stuck on stupid.
no, its called defend the facts. there are researchers who have practically lived with them. animals vary as individuals and per situation however. exactly what are the wolves doing in your location? And yes, they have been dangerous to humans at times. This is underestimated by their fans. Generally it is only in cold winter and lack of prey.
Horror stories out of Russia of large packs chasing a troika, have to release one of the three horses to be eaten to save the humans and the other two.
"Although wolves killed 500 sheep in Montana in 2003, coyotes killed 11,800, and disease, weather, eagles, bears, and foxes each proved to be greater threats to livestock. Yet wolves inspire even stronger feelings of anger in ranchers than grizzly bears."
http://www.jyi.org/issue/restoration-or-destruction-the-controversy-over-wolf-reintroduction/
there are of course all kinds of tree hugger and new age angles on any kind of meddling with the environment, but each situation has its own merits. I am not sure reintroduction of wolves where there are sheep and cattle herds is a good idea, why not reintroduce them in more distant locations away from ranching? Perhaps the LOCATION of reintroduction is part of a plan to make life difficult for ranchers.
No lack of prey and the winter is much worse for cold other places than here and surrounding states, but the wolves still destroy needlessly.
Have seen actual videos that document this. This is well documented in many places that are not hard to access.
You are, once again, full of yourself to try to twist facts to suit your version of the truth.
It must be your calling in life to spend it trashing the truth. Your mother is not here to counter you so you can say whatever you wish. But the truth is (if you were on the high road by truly obeying scripture) you have been done with trashing her long ago if you were a forgiving person. And would instead honor the dead and stop the slander.
No one can learn from your experience -- because you have not learned the most basic thing to know here.
Only the truly forgiven forgive. The actually forgiven are people who really have the power to forgive and overcome evil. You do not fight evil. (you unmasked 'crusader').
That highlights your real problem and why you bleed it all over this blog. Words are all you have but where is the faith to actually live it in real time in this problem of yours Christine? So I have question for you--is your faith dead?-I can't know if that is the case or not....
...But God does.
" But the truth is (if you were on the high road by truly obeying scripture) you have been done with trashing her long ago if you were a forgiving person. And would instead honor the dead and stop the slander. "
WRONG read the Bible better. we are not called to forgive the unrepentant, and notice example of Jacob and Esau, the best thing for some is to forgive and SEPARATE because they are ongoing temptations to each other.
Slander is LIES not truth.
honor the dead? the reason "we can't speak ill of the dead" is because those who started that saying we afraid the dead could and would defend themselves. It is not about morality but fear of haunting.
you really need to get right with Jesus Christ and study the Bible better. If you are the same one who said we are olive branches grafted into the vine that is Jesus you totally got Scripture wrong.
He is the GRAPE VINE main trunk we are the branches, in the sermon at the Last Supper in John's Gospel.
In Romans Paul warns us, the Jews are the domestic OLIVE TREE and we are wild olive branches grafted in contrary to nature among them, and the root bears us not vice versa and we should not boast against the root.
These are totally different contexts. The first is about getting into and staying in Christ (we have to abide in Him, not dry out die and end up cut out of the vine) the other PRESUPPOSES WE ARE IN CHRIST and is about our relationship as the church to the Jews.
Go find this. Always read Scripture in context, someone called it the 20 20 rule, read 20 verses before and 20 verses after any verse you are presented with.
give me a link to what you are talking about re wolves. complicating the problem is that not all wolves are pure wolf, wolf dog hybrids have escaped into the wild and bred there. The Beast of Gevaudan had white marks on him indicative of this. (also may have been part of a French elitist conspiracy to make famine by terrorizing peasants from the fields and flocks, such "werewolf" attacks were going on several places, not just Gevaudan in France before the French Revolution.
The Duc de Orleans was part of the first overthrow, he wanted the throne, he ended up dead.
"You do not fight evil. (you unmasked 'crusader'). "
wrong again, you are a victim of new age or proto new age type misinterpretation, you are probably going by Jesus saying "resist not evil" in the sermon on the mount?
CONTEXT turn the other cheek, ah, can you do so if stunned, on the ground, dead, unconscious? NO. This is about a slap some would kill over, and about having a long fuse instead of a short fuse.
Did Jesus "resist not evil" when He took a cat o'nine tails (knotted cord whip) to the dealers in the Temple courtyard? one account makes it clear it was used on humans not just to drive animals, and you don't need something that severe to drive animals just a single whip or thin stick.)
"That highlights your real problem and why you bleed it all over this blog. Words are all you have but where is the faith to actually live it in real time in this problem of yours Christine? "
Why don't you say the same thing to Constance whose blog you want to take over, you are jealous or something
but no guts or too sensible in maneuvering to attack her directly?
everything she does here and elsewhere could be attacked the same way. There is something very problematic in your games and style of using Scripture, if you were followed the result would be no efforts at all except maybe to complain "aint it awful" to each other.
My words stand against you as the unforgiving unmasked 'crusader' that your own words prove you to be. (how do you sleep at night? btw I don't really want to know)
http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/03/28/elk-kills-by-wolves-in-north
There are plenty more and more recent (go find them yourself) from actual ranchers dealing with an increasing problem to show the destruction of unmanaged kill for sport wolves.
Adios Miss Wolf.
The Highjacking of Mary Christine Erickson
by a small pack of coy-dogs, wearing sheepskin
Part1.0
So you are the judge then huh, paul?
Stand for truth mister, and don't play favorites with personalities (unless that is your 'christian' bag).
The devil has hijacked Christine Erikson's personality (at her invitation).
So paul approves of the unforgiving spirit of Christine Erikson?
I though I knew better of him. Guess not.
Forgiving the Unrepentant
Can I forgive those who have betrayed me if they are not repentant?
Answered by R.T. Kendall
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/march/29.78.html
~ K ~
alas.
"The signs to know you have totally forgiven can be summarized this way: (1) You do not tell anybody what they did to you (this would be trying to punish the one who hurt you); (2) you do not try to intimidate them; (3) you do not let them feel guilty; (4) you let them save face; (5) you accept the matter of total forgiveness as a "life sentence"—you have to keep doing it, indefinitely; (6) you pray that they will be blessed and let off the hook."
There are times when it is right to go to the person in person (if that is possible-and not to other ears to hear your side of the matter) and tell them what they did and offer forgiveness. This lifts up the cross before them and gives them space to repent (to go to the Lord with their own trouble to be made right). You let the Holy Spirit work to convict them with real guilt, not false guilt(& you do not condemn). You let the Spirit show them what is godly sorrow. Regret and remorse fall short of actual repentance.
You let Jesus save face.
You forgive as you have been forgiven (that is complete with no strings attached because isn't that how Jesus forgave you?)
You pray for them to receive the offer of mercy and walk away free from a bitter root yourself.
And this applies whether they are alive or not and willing or not.
From the world a christian can never expect mercy, but must always be willing to give it.
Well, where is Christine's willingness to forgive? And to willingness to ask for it for herself too?
Since she has made such a spectacle of herself one would think she would see the need to make things right here.
http://www.clearwatertribune.com/Weekly%20Pages/04-01-10/April0110Eastman.htm
the only article I could find there was this, but by its account the real elk
decline has to do with hunting by humans, and the wolves are in competition with the humans.
yeah, wolves kill more in winter, likely stash some for later.
And the human harvesting of elk is a problem, because they will go for the big handsome bulls as trophy,
and this means weaker smaller males to breed. This is not good.
forgiveness issues. firstly that article from a mere human writer is an appeal to traditions of men. The WORD OF GOD TALKS ABOUT FORGIVING THE REPENTANT.
The list of signs of forgiveness is not valid, and also the forgetting thing is crazy. I have done that as a pathology that set me up for the next round of
attack of one sort or another.
As for talking to her directly, I did that many times and all she did was lie or deny or smirk and ignore or "suffer." I tried for years to reach something decent in her, waste of strength there was nothing there to reach.
And thank God she is dead. I have had attacks by her ghost and by her familiar we nick named "boots," a distinct but identical looking entity.
I have prayed for God to save her soul, something that the early church did not preach against or Martyr Perpetua would not have prayed for her dead brother she figured was in hell.
YOU ARE TOTALLY NEW AGE COMPROMISED IN THE FORGIVENESS CONCEPT. this is the way they talk, and it is forgiveness without repentance, without correction, without safety.
I suppose next I will hear you blither the NEW AGE and UNBIBLICAL notion of "unconditional love."
you people divorce God's love from God's justice and following your lead if dealing with living monsters would leave a person even a child vulnerable and without rescue, without recompense without ability even to defend itself because without sense it has a right even a duty to defend itself or another.
you are sinful and deceived and need to repent.
this is getting into the zone I refuse to discuss here anymore. you can email me if you want, infowolf1@aol.com
I might add, your definition and demand of forgiveness, which I notice includes silence about the deeds, and of course would incl. not seeking legal recourse or stopping any started,
IS EXACTLY HOW THE HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITIES AND SEX ABUSE BY PRIESTS AND PROTESTANT MINISTERS AND OCCASIONAL ORTHODOX CLERGY IS MAINTAINED SAFELY.
that should prove that your concept of forgiveness is not biblical. why not look at what would constitute repentance? what John the Baptist would call "fruits worthy [indicative] of repentance?"
repairing damage done would be a part of it. or trying to .
why don't you go study on youtube about narcissists incl. the Christian category who exploit bible verses out of context to help them destroy everyone around them.
Apparently if a person posts as anonymous, then none of the rules of forgiveness apply to them.
Anonymous people are supposed to judge, very harshly and condemn very aggressively, but
they are not under any compulsion to forgive. That's only for people who identify themselves. All this under the umbrella of "protecting a blogsite's comments section".
I get it.
Question: "How can I forgive those who sin against me?"
Answer: Everyone has been wronged, offended, and sinned against at some point. How are Christians to respond when such offenses occur? According to the Bible, we are to forgive. Ephesians 4:32 declares, “Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” Similarly, Colossians 3:13 proclaims, “Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” The key in both Scriptures is that we are to forgive others as God has forgiven us. Why do we forgive? Because we have been forgiven!
Forgiveness would be simple if we only had to grant it to those who come asking for it in sorrow and repentance. The Bible tells us that we are to forgive, without condition, those who sin against us. Refusing to truly forgive a person demonstrates resentment, bitterness, and anger, none of which are the traits of a true Christian (cf. Galatians 5:16-26). In the Lord's Prayer, we ask God to forgive us our sins, just as we forgive those who sin against us (Matthew 6:12). Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15, “If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.” In light of other Scriptures that speak of God’s forgiveness, Matthew 6:14-15 is best understood to be saying that people who refuse to forgive others have not truly experienced God’s forgiveness themselves.
Whenever we disobey one of God's commands, we sin against Him. Whenever we wrong another person, we not only sin against that person, but also against God. When we consider the extent to which God forgives all our transgressions, we realize that we do not have the right to withhold this grace from others. We have sinned against God infinitely more than any person can sin against us. If God forgives us of so much, how can we refuse to forgive others of so little? Jesus’ parable in Matthew 18:23-35 is a powerful illustration of this truth. God promises that when we come to Him asking for forgiveness, He freely grants it (1 John 1:9). The forgiveness we extend should know no limits, in the same way that God's forgiveness is limitless (Luke 17:3-4).
See here: How can I forgive those who sin against me?
Scripture, in proper context, proves Christine Erikson wrong once again.
nothing cited says you have to forgive those who do not repent but on the contrary assert repeatedly they would do the same things over again.
as usual you take the emotive words of men over Scripture. sad.
but even if they repent and you forgive, you'd best keep an eye on them and be ready to protect yourself and others (which means telling all in some cases, forewarned is forearmed)in case of a backslide.
we are not talking about the minor stuff prideful evil people will kill over, and that builds all kinds of subtle hostilities that mess up families and monasteries.
Matt. 18: 15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. [i.e., neither side can
forget or lie about what was said or
not said. There are witnesses.]
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
while there are a few things in this online book I take issue with, I recommend some of it.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing Introduction
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/2008/03/wolves-in-sheeps-clothing-research.html
CHAPTER ONE: Hidden Luciferians in American culture, politics, academia...and in the Christian community.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/2008_03_24_archive.html
CHAPTER TWO: The Kay Arthur/ Al Denson/ Robert Schuller/ Oprah Winfrey/ Star Trek Connection??
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/2008/04/introduction-connecting-current-events_15.html
CHAPTER SIX: A Closer Look At The Bush Family
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/2008/04/chapter-seven-franklin-cover-up.html
CHAPTER EIGHT: Entering the Netherworld.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/2008/05/introduction-connecting-current-events.html
CHAPTER TEN: The Pre-Trib Rapture Problem
paul 8:06,
thank you.
re the online book, I don't mean that only these chapters are worth reading, I post them to give less reading work, it is individual points here and there. The whole thing is worth reading the table of contents and titles of chapters are at the end of the first link.
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/dogmatics/john_zizioulas_single_source.htm
http://www.oodegr.co/english/dogmatiki1/G3.htm
http://aggreen.net/filioque/filioque.html
How sad you are Mary! I couldn't be bothered to read all the flotsam you and your reprobate hypocritical sidekick Paul have posted. I did, however, notice you claiming I am the person who runs the Galatians 4 blog. How ridiculous you are you vile devil! Bible Believer, whose blog it is, is a woman, I am not! If you'd have done your homework you'd know this... I found out who Bible Believer of Galatians 4 is in about 5 minutes.
So much for your exposing me, you Satanic wolf!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank
anon 1:16
hello, PERSON WHO LIKES TO TALK ABOUT PUS FILLED BOILS,
the similarity of tone and the use of the word "filth" got my attention. Bible Believer has no useful identifying info in the profile. And I am sure it is not the only person online using that terms.
whatever you are, PERSON WHO LIKES TO TALK ABOUT PUS FILLED BOILS (that's your new name, remember?) I don't trust your word on anything. If you aren't galatiansfour you are similar.
Have read about Corrie Ten Boom and Louis Zamperini, so many others and now this:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/displaced-iraqi-christian-girl-who-fled-home-to-escape-death-asks-god-to-forgive-isis-despite-her-terrible-living-conditions-in-half-built-mall-134407/ --
Read it and weep Christine. A child can show you the way......
Touched a nerve about the whole forgiveness issue apparently!
Christine's biggest issue of all.
There are over 100 posts between Christina and those responding to, or about her. Out of 160 total posts.
This is purely disruptive and there is no excuse.
its one thing to ask for mercy at the last judgement for someone, or for them to repent and be saved now, but I doubt she means that she doesn't want God destroying those horrible people before they can harm more Christians and other comparatively innocent people.
I have already said that I have prayed several times for that person's soul but I don't want her messing with me as a ghost, or in my life if she were still alive. Sometimes healing means distance and meeting just reopens wounds.
Jacob and Esau example, Matt. 18:15-17. "proper context," eh? the proper context was LEFT OUT by you guys. it includes those preceding verses I quoted. Scripture twisting to empower the evil and disempower the defender is what you are doing.
Why don't you people shut up and deal with the links Marko and I have posted? I think any more from you and I will just post "Matt 18:15-17 infowolf1@aol.com" and not deal with you.
Marko, thanks for the link.
The Vision Project - 1. the new age use now gone mainstream of "vision" to mean some idea, not a visual message from God. 2. "redeeming change of heart," again the theological term hijacked. redemption is about our rescue from sin and God's wrath for it, not from a bad mood, though if that were sin then this would be a case of repentance not redemption per se.
Walkable Cities - yep. Agenda 21, pack and stack. not much room for self supporting veggie gardens or small farms or urban farming. no indication of cars much, you'd have to park somewhere and walk a mile to get home or to the store.
This is designed around physical elitist premises - people who can walk and run and haul stuff and in great health.
meanwhile a pandemic pathogen would have a great time in dense housing.
Addendum:
By "direct links" I mean the ones in blue that are "live" links that you don't have to copy / paste.....
https://web.archive.org/web/20080305234928/http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivdelet.htm
NIV deletes same verses the JW New World Translation deletes.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/wh-heretics.htm
heresies of wescott and hort in their own words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52KGkiQsx8
GEORGE HUNT PART 1 OF 4 ON UNCED EARTH SUMMIT 1992 ON POPULATION REDUCTION AND CAP & TRADE SCAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdSjA_X6Um0
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vevpSnfh2U
part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCxWiFcMkdY
part 4
"Scripture, in proper context, proves Christine Erikson wrong once again. "
Yeah, Craig, I know. (and so do others).
And she is free to keep getting it wrong and rubbing it all in the face of this entire blog. So be it.
Her bitter root has a bitter root. And it shows in how she uses (more like abuses) scripture and the way her life spells out publically showing us what she refuses to learn from what has been rightly shown to her. By their fruits you shall know them....and she is textbook bitter.
So have your ghost stories and other occult beliefs and practices plastered all over this place, Chritine, just the way you like it. You were warned many many times gently and several times harshly because you refuse to heed a gentler way. So be that too....
So done with this mess.
Gotcha! SCROLL DOWN TO SEE... ready to research them records!
http://tinyurl.com/m7la47f
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Anonymous 5:13 said...
"Scripture, in proper context, proves Christine Erikson wrong once again. "
apparently "proper context" means leaving out the immediately preceding verses about the unrepentant, WHICH PROVES FROM SCRIPTURE THAT YOU ARE WRONG.
Matt. 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. [i.e., neither side can
forget or lie about what was said or
not said. There are witnesses.]
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Thanks for the link, 3 stars... with respect, I know all about 2580, the tel number etc... There's also another little lodge down on Woodside, Rocklin.
How ridiculous to play walkie-talkies at your age, Chritine on your 235 Fcc. radio or should we call you KJ6PHY, Mary Christine Erikson Aka Mary Ellen Erikson?
Mary, you are as a heathen and a publican! At 63 years old don't you think you are just a bit old to be shacked up with hard faced Richard and Amy (aren't you a 'tinge' ashamed?), and a 2 bed bungalow too! where do you all sleep? That's what we should call you... Bungling Bungalow as you've nothing upstairs! I've court records available and all sorts of goodies, should you persist in your nonsense! Why don't you get out sometimes in that vile puss-green box car rather than mull round that dusty fireplace simmering over that cauldron of a computer of yours? You've got a nerve, hanging old glory out on the latticed porch! I bet the neighbours down on Rainier are not to happy about the noisy vicious old dog, eh?
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank
Did you know that some people can store up
other peoples faults and mistakes almost
indefinitely, sometimes remembering thousands
and even into tens of thousands of perceived
"wrongs" by whomever they assign themselves
judge and arbiter.
True fact. A recent brain study has shown this remarkable and previously unknown quirk of human nature to be true.
In fact some of these people are gainfully
employed in large corporations, so, they're often
surprisingly highly functional, despite their
infantile despotic tendencies.
Chritine @ 3:24pm, trust you to post a link to a website run by someone charged with pedophilia.
David J. Stewart Exposed! - http://davidjstewartexposed.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1
That sounds like a confession, Paul. Sounds like you've been storing up bitterness for quite some time now. Never mind, we'll forgive you!
Chritine does that against her very own mother!
anon 6:56
I don't know anything about who runs most websites, I only know the value of an article by reading the contents
because of a link on another site.
are you so foolish that you accept anything written by an approved writer and reject anything written by a disapproved one?
If I stumbled on something good by someone I knew about I would look for the same content elsewhere.
I see from that link that he also claims he is not a Christian.
None of this has bearing on the research in that article which wasn't even written by stewart but sourced from a now defunct website, https://web.archive.org/web/20071123041349/http://www.nivexposed.faithweb.com/contact.html
hello, Person Who Likes To Talk About Pus Filled Boils. How are you this afternoon?
"Aka Mary Ellen Erikson?" That's my biological so called mother's name.
doing "due dilligence" background checks? Congratulations. A lot of them confuse information, as shown by some of your remarks, but you can get a general idea. A lot are free a lot require payment. How much has this confused mess cost you so far?
My age? Ham radio is not walkie talkies it requires a license. There aren't many hamsters (as I call us) in range of the cheap handset I got. Age is no issue in the ham culture, and it is often the older ones who run the licensing tests administered by the FCC.
Don't try firebombing my house, or previous addresses, or I will have the police looking for you Person Who Likes To Talk About Pus Filled Boils, and is so full of intense hatred, and your fans, with subpoenas for all internet information and sling your ass(es) in jail.
Bear in mind that if you do some arson, or any other inherently dangerous felony, and someone dies, you get an automatic murder one charge.
Oh how you project, Mary! Vomiting like a veritable hog, dog, wolf all over this blog. How's the murderous thoughts, the hatred, you harbour towards your would be 94 year dear old ma going? I suggest you lay off the drugs and stop performing sex rituals with your live in Satanic witch!
I don't hate you Mary, I pity you as does Paul. Unlike him though, I do so with conviction to get you to repent and lay off others. You are a wolf cornered by the truth and you bare your puss filled snout likewise!
Unlike you, with your numerous run-ins with the law, I am not a criminal... my part is not to harm you, nor threaten you harm but to expose you so that Constance, Dorothy, Bible Believer from Gal 4 and many others can sue you if they so wish! You are a fraud and a reprobate and you are of your father the Devil for you do the things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning and is the father of lies!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank
Marko @ 12:55. Thanks for the links. This has been discussed here on this blog before I think. Don't remember for certain if here or another site I have visited but I certainly agree with your statement about bringing in the kingdom>>their way. Very new age and the those who choose to remain ignorant of what God teaches us because not learning the whole counsel of God about His plan to bring it are also likely to be those who will follow the Rob Bell kind of 'jesus'.
Here are Paul's words for you to gnash over, Mary...
"It's mind boggling and frustrating trying to give you the respect that every human deserves. "
"I repeat, ( and you've never denied ), YOU ARE A professional JAMMER on this website.
How much do they pay you?
Never mind, don't bother answering. I truly am through feeding the troll"
Person Who Likes To Talk About Pus Filled Boils at 9:54,
what run ins with the law? I got some fixit tickets, three accidents in 27 years, one traffic charge involving an error that was dismissed, and 8 hours
in jail on a fixit ticket that went to
warrant from a minimally populated northern CA county with nothing else to do.
what are you talking about? never did street drugs. Had some antidepressants weaned myself off them. I am not the only Mary Christine Erikson in the world.
If you are talking about incidents involving a couple of Palo Alto addresses in the 1980s, you can blame my biological so called mother for that.
those people you mention have no grounds for a lawsuit against me, but you and an anon are moving up on building grounds for me to sue you.
That was before he broke down with cyber Stockholm syndrome, broke out in gushy puss-filled boils and got all guey over you!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank.
Oh Mary ,I wouldn't blame your dear old mother.. she's sadly suffered enough of that from her rebellious hateful daughter over the years, hasn't she? There, there! Time for your meds, is it? Careful, they can cause puss filled boils you know!
Salt stings but it also sanitises!
Frank
Frank, Though I agree her awful behavior (by way of her own postings we know this) at other sites should be exposed for the benefit of the blog community, I do not agree with your over the top descriptions of a personal nature toward her. You can say the truth without the dramatics. We are to regard each other as made in the image of God and your words are disrespectful to her but also to other readers. Behavior not personhood should be the focus when bringing up and calling out these matters in my opinion. I think we should err on the side of grace and let God deal with her by way of His right way to convict her soul of sin. I agree with things you say until you take it to that personal and harsher level. Her bitterness is very evident and enough for us to get the drift.
And Paul, why do you now defend Christine for her gossip about her now deceased mother who is not able to speak for herself-are we to take Christine's one sided version of this in your mind? Would you do such a thing as that here? Is her lack of forgiveness a troublesome thing to you? And what of her rants at basically everyone to argue incessantly and her over the top statements about her occult experiences etc knowing that she has written volumes to show her terrible lack of christian grace here at this blog and now we know in many other places too? Is it ok with you that she has mocked sacred things even in matters about her own 'conversion' and writes of personal matters that do not belong in the public square under the guise of 'teaching' you people? Why the devil would I want to learn one thing from her when she is a flaming hypocrite in a whole host of issues as she makes sure she crams it down our collective throats? Her use of scripture is atrocious. Craig said it all very correctly and on many occasions before the issue of forgiveness even came up. Wow did that ever touch her off! Because it is a very convicting point! People have done her a favor to highlight it.
Do you even think she owes an apology to this blog owner and readers or do you only take issue with those who take issue with her?
Sorry Paul, being critical of harshness is one thing but defending the indefensible is quite another.
God is no respecter of persons-how about that one!?!
Who is on the Lord's side (?) should be the question people ask themselves personally. And Christine, you have no exemption either.
Notice Paul I sign as anonymous. I don't play favorites to make this place about my 'personality' unlike the one who has successfully made this blog all about her.
Frank you're awfully close to being a reviler. Why don't you rein it in? And I don't do sex magic rituals. And Mike is a recovering devil worshipper like a recovering alcoholic.
you may think you are superior because you don't use four letter words, but the phrases you heap up are filthier than any standard obscenities.
anon 10:44
thank you for weighing in on that issue about Frank's conduct.
but...."Is it ok with you that she has mocked sacred things even in matters about her own 'conversion'"
what slander is this? I have never mocked sacred things.
"and writes of personal matters that do not belong in the public square under the guise of 'teaching' you people? "
almost all of it was written in response to questions, or to prove a point from my own experience that I am not going by others' wild stories.
"the issue of forgiveness even came up. Wow did that ever touch her off! Because it is a very convicting point! "
Not convicting at all. My anger is at the wanton TWISTING of Scripture to disempower those who need to resist the evils arrayed against them or others.
Matt. 18:15-17 shows you first confront, then brings others in, and if all fails, REJECT THE PERSON WHO WILL NOT REPENT OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO YOU.
This mishandling of Scripture is how sexual and lesser abusers of children and others operate and other twisting of Scripture besides that. That is why I am angry. Centuries of evil conducted under "submit" "honor" "don't judge" and "forgive" ALL TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND IGNORING THE VERSES THAT SAY TO NEVER SUBMIT, HONOR OR FORGIVE LET ALONE FORGET UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, and that we ARE TO JUDGE but not be hypocrites who do the same things ourselves. That is what the don't judge thing is in context of.
I am angry at how my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ's words and the words of His Apostles are twisted to support the very evils He condemned, and to prevent them being stopped and to prevent the church discipline, or reporting or prosecution that is needed.
"you're awfully close to being a reviler. Why don't you rein it in?"
Do your own words to him also get stuck in your own throat, Christine?
anon 10:58
are you Frank not signing your name? how have I reviled? do I sling around sentences laden with filthy verbal pictures? I have addressed him as Person Who Likes To Talk About Pus Filled Boils because he compared my words to all that, and he has exposed himself since then as worthy of that name.
I don't think you can see past your own rage. Throwing his foul mouth back in his face, and mildly at that, is not anything like what he does.
Who can forget you famous flip your mother off statement about your supposed conversion to somehow spite her? The Holy Spirit would never let us regard something so sacred in such a light. It cost Jesus the unimaginable to save the sick souls of humanity. And they are sick! The best human among us in still a vile sinner before Perfect and Holy God.
My dear Lord in heaven above, are you crazy to think it ok to write details of sexual matters-whenever and now not whenever?-between you and the resident seer? Wow what a selective memory you have. And I won't go there with you to review all the twisted stuff you post. No! You go back and look at that mess and then get yourself to the nearest prayer closet!
Then there is your reviling-yes reviling-and no different than what you say Frank says of you when you speak of your mother here. This is a blog and not a counseling session. Your hatred has sounded out loudly for a long long time. Even long before I came to this site by what has been copied and pasted to show how deep that runs in your veins.
Not convicted at all?
Then you are in trouble Mary Christine Erikson.
I will not rehash what points were already aptly made earlier about this. You have homework to do and I suggest you sign up for a counseling session with the Wonderful Counselor and let Him show you what is in the mirror. Craig pegged you Christine. So have others who have meant things for your good. We are better friends to you than you have been to us. Be angry at how heedless has been your own heart!
I'm done done done with your spirit of argument and discontent and division sown among brothers.
God help you is all I can pray.
"Who can forget you famous flip your mother off statement about your supposed conversion to somehow spite her? The Holy Spirit would never let us regard something so sacred in such a light. "
I was pointing out, that if my conversion to Orthodoxy was to spite her or anyone else, you could argue my conversion to Jesus Christ, which I never thought any doubted, was also to spite her.
The point was the absurdity of the initial claim, that I had become Orthodox to spite her or whoever.
I made that clear in a subsequent post, since someone is so dense they don't get it. Apparently you are still that dense.
"My dear Lord in heaven above, are you crazy to think it ok to write details of sexual matters-"
I did not give details of sexual matters.
"Then there is your reviling-yes reviling-and no different than what you say Frank says of you when you speak of your mother here. "
I have never spewed such extreme stuff as Frank. And I did not revile her I told the truth. Is it Christian to LIE? I did call her a monster, but that is hardly comparable to Frank's display like something out of a very wet nasty quality horror movie scene.
I told the truth.
Go study malignant narcissism and psychopathy and you will have an idea.
But perhaps you and Frank are the same things yourselves, and it is YOU who are responding to the conviction with anger instead of repentance. you recognize yourselves and your vanity and pride won't let you quit, stings too much?
I thought you were just occultists, witches, who went ballistic when things that make such as you look bad even to secular eyes and would endanger your whole scene if your neophytes got wind of the game, but no, perhaps it is you under conviction and on the attack.
Most of my posts you object to were in response to statements so I explained more.
If you kept your mouths shut you wouldn't have heard most of it.
you are the ones sowing discord here.
Christine,
You’re confusing forgiveness with acceptance of the sin. For example, a Christian can forgive the man who murdered their child, while recognizing the justice in his prison sentence. The purpose of the forgiveness here is tri-fold: 1) we are commanded to forgive; 2) forgiving the man destroys any root of bitterness in the parent; 3) the murderer himself might repent and be saved.
In Matthew 5:38-48, we find Jesus implying forgiveness to the unrepentant (or not yet repentant) while commanding us to love our enemies (NASB):
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Once again, it’s all about proper context. The point of forgiving one who has wronged you is to bring about conviction to the other and, by the power of the Spirit, bring him to repentance. This is the thrust of Matthew 18:15-17, which you cited. Why do you think we are to “tell him his fault” if not to bring about repentance (“if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother”)? The Greek word (akouw) translated as “hear” by the KJV is better translated as “listen,” as one can hear but not necessarily receive or accept. But, we have to be the first to forgive, for it’s our initial forgiveness that can bring about repentance; in other words, we don’t go to our brother with the attitude of “Hey man what you did was wrong, and I’m here to tell you just how wrong you are!” That’s not the way to win another over.
Also, importantly, note that these verses are just after Jesus’ words in vv. 10-14 about bringing back the wandering sheep. That’s not to say everyone will repent, of course. Those unrepentant are then to be treated as “pagans or tax collectors” (cf. Matt 5:46 above), i.e., as unbelievers.
And, just as important are Peter’s words and Jesus’ answer to him immediately following the verses you cited:
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Matthew 18:21-22 (NASB): 21 Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
Note that there is no qualifier here such as “IF he repents first.” We are to forgive others because we are commanded to do so, because we have been forgiven of a much larger debt which we cannot possibly repay. This leads to the following:
Matthew 18:23-35 (NASB): 23 “For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. 24 When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25 But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made. 26 So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ 27 And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt.
This is a word picture of God’s forgiveness of the repentant sinner, for the debt of this slave is insurmountable. The man could not possibly repay the debt in his lifetime.
28 But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ 29 So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’ 30 But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed.
This illustrates that the man was not truly repentant in the first place, for if he had been he’d easily forgive his debtor’s much smaller debt as compared to the debt he formerly owed the king.
31 So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord [ED: the king] all that had happened. 32 Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
If we all waited for the other to come in repentance, there’d be virtually no forgiveness. Yet Jesus commands us to forgive others (see Scripture references in above “Got Questions” article).
Marko,
I’ve not studied Rob Bell in any depth. However, your paragraph regarding New Age eschatology and your comparison of it to Dominionism, Kingdom Now, MSoG is spot on and concise. Basically most all those purporting to be Christian of the Dominionist/Kingdom Now persuasion are postmillennial (Jesus returns after the millennium). Mike Bickle is somewhat of an anomaly, claiming to be premillennial; however, Bickle’s doctrine sure looks a lot like post-mil. Essentially, the end-goal of all of these is the same: through man’s effort we can bring about a new Garden of Eden.
Jesus Christ said, in Matthew 5:21-22,
"You have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shall not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement:
But I say unto you That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause, shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say unto his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. "
Frank, has Christine harmed you in some way ?
Has she stolen something from you ?
Did she attack you and injure you ?
No? None of the above ?
Have I attacked you or injured you in some way?
No.
Yet you feel free to call me a "reprobate" among other things.
And the things you've called Christine I won't even repeat.
You are either way over the top with the freestyle judgement, or maybe you are God's own appointed judge.
Please tell me if you are actually appointed and anointed by God the Father to judge and condemn everyone and anyone here, so that I can BEGIN to listen to your angry rants.
Short of that I'll just assume that you are just a very new Christian and that you haven't had time to read the Gospels.
Hello Anon 10:44, I agree my latter points could've been tempered better. It is mind boggling and frustrating witnessing New Age Mary destroy this blog and get away Scot free with it!
However, this should not detract from the extreme gravity of exposure of NAM's fruits demonstrated by her awful occultic posts in vile 'magic' forums, which is amplifiably recognitve of what she has posted here over the years! In the aforementioned posts, she has not only cavorted with witches and devil-worshippers (nothing new there!) in their very own forums of iniquity but, moreover, rather than expose and call them to repentance, has chosen to revoltingly and proudly concoct and regurgitate her own gnostic ingredients to the sickening devilish brew bubbling with evil there.
It is clear New Age Mary is out to destroy this blog. She, by her own admission lives with an allegedly 'recovering' Satanist, who still practices clairvoyancy (NAM proudly calls him her, 'Resident Seer' ((her capitals, not mine!)) and boasts of his 'abilities'). Yes, she lives in sin with this witch, who has not repented nor accepted Jesus Christ into his life (has she truly done so? Where's the evidence? Everything about her own posts here and elsewhere testify to the contrary! ).
Craig,
again, you cite Matt. 18:21-22, and the rest, all of which posit repentance
on the part of the sinner.
you ignore Matt. 18:15-17 which is about rejection after the sinner refuses to repent.
The latter is the situation. And repentant or not, forgiveness does not mandate any of the nonsense recited by someone about what forgiveness adds up to including silence etc. regarding major issues.
Especially the latter.
And repentance and forgiveness would not in such a major situation necessitate continued contact, repentance if real incl. restitution if relevant if possible, which in this case would involve likely permanent separation like Jacob and Esau to prevent redevelopment of the problem.
I remember when I got back from a stay with her sister, and was standing straight and looking and feeling better for a couple of weeks, and living away from my biological so called mother at a residential hotel, but she wouldn't leave me alone, kept calling 5 times a day and coming over everyday though I said not to, and she commented I was already slouching again. what did she expect? life with her in it wasn't worth living.
anon 9:37
the only person destroying the blog are you people obsessed with me, without whose nagging and often false accusations much that I posted would not have been posted.
compiling dirt on individuals and groups and challenging their ideas is not cavorting with them.
practicing clairvoyancy - a lot of it as I said is in fact physical and in some cases inherited. The physical abnormality of the retinas, visibly abnormal yet not causing defect in sight except for glare sensitivity and concomitant better sight in low light and the cells on the edge of the retina peripheral vision having a lot to do with all this has been detailed.
I am not living in sin there is no sex acts going on. But a lifetime commitment with fidelity in any case would not be sin, and in this case the marriage if it occurred would lessen his respect for me, since the remaining devil worshippers who contact him now and then would argue he is now my boss and should ignore me because doesn't the Bible say man is woman's head? just like honor your father and mother is taken to prevent rebellion against devil worshipping parents. These people twist Scripture as good as you people do.
that would make marrying him more sinful on my part, throwing away power against bad influence, than not marrying him would be.
I notice you aren't bitching about my attitude to my biological so called mother, the effort to get me to not be bitter is not quite the same thing as Frank's rants. SO I MUST HAVE HIT HOME, HER GREATEST DEFENDERS MUST BE PSYCHOPATHIC MALIGNANT NARCISSIST CHILD ABUSERS YOURSELVES, AND DON'T WANT TO RISK GETTING DRAWN OUT INTO SOME ADMISSION IN AN ARGUMENT.
home the police get wind of you and you get prosecuted and jailed for whatever you can be prosecuted for, that they don't drop the ball like happened in my case and see through your sympathetic exterior if that is the case.
FROM NOW ON I AM IGNORING YOU.
"I am not living in sin there is no sex acts going on. But a lifetime commitment with fidelity in any case would not be sin, and in this case the marriage if it occurred would lessen his respect for me, since the remaining devil worshippers who contact him now and then would argue he is now my boss and should ignore me because
"doesn't the Bible say man is woman's head? just like honor your father and mother is taken to prevent rebellion against devil worshipping parents. These people twist Scripture as good as you people do.
that would make marrying him more sinful on my part, throwing away power against bad influence, than not marrying him would be."
Well, once again, your concept of relationship and marriage are so off Christine. So unbiblical. And this is so basic yet you are rebellious here also. You are filling the bill of the rebellion born in the heart of Eve (and all women thereafter) after the fall in the garden in regards to having the husband be head over the wife. This is not about status but of the subsequent roles to fulfill (how to serve one another in the bond of matrimony).
The Bible tells us in Eph 5:21 that this is the first point of christian marriage with the next verses (v 22-33) falling in line after that understanding. Make sure you read that so you do not miss the key point. This is the biblical model in this text for being fulfilled and giving glory to God in this relationship called marriage. That takes the two as a man and his wife, if it will be a successful union and God-honoring, that they be Holy Spirit indwelt (what happens at the moment of salvation in Christ Jesus) to fulfill the mutual submission that it takes to one another in love and be truly one flesh (heart , mind, soul, as well as body), that "pictures" that higher relationship of Christ and His bride the church to do this and complete one another as God made for them to be as in the beginning in Genesis.
I assume you have read that.........but are not living it. Be not hearers only but doers of the Word is what it says in my bible.
...so.......what the two of you 'have' is not the to have and to hold as in real loving relationship called marriage that God blesses. Anything short of that and outside of the bonds of marriage is 1st and foremost the equivalent spiritually of fornication and adultery. And a bad "picture"-a wrong picture of God in relationship to mankind. See how basic this is?
If not I'll put it into words you might better understand>>>>>>>>
what you and the resident seer 'have' is the equivalent of two ticks and no dog.
Christina
I decided to look at the posts after an anon posted a count the other day.
You have 60 posts out of a possible 199. There are 153 posts out of a possible 199 between you and others related to you.
I still stand by that you should not be treated in a mean or hateful way. I'm sure that you mean well. But that doesn't really matter, does it?
You are definitely detracting from this blog. I'm sorry to say but you are not the victim here. It doesn't seem to happen with anyone else nearly to the degree that it does with you.
"And the things you've called Christine I won't even repeat."
Paul, yes Frank has said some real low down things about her, but did you read Christine's gossip that was publically heralded here about her mother to say that she believed, but could not prove, that she committed murder? And other abuses that are outright accusations but unproven to us? Now this is her *hearsay but a murder accusation is even worse than anything Frank has said. And he is talking graphically - she is talking actually.
This is a public place and it is christian of her to behave this way? Maybe you need to see this from a different angle and leave your prejudice in her favor out of it. I would not want you on my jury trail if I had one.
Her bad talk (just as public and has gone on much much much longer) is a whole other level of bad................................................but you keep silent on that?
I will address this biblical issue in general terms because it exists even if I never existed.
Paul writes in context of an abusive society and law and putting the already dominant man in the role of Christ to the church reverses the patriarchal concept of roles of the sexes, instead of the woman being the support, the nurterer, the long suffering supportive one (and expendable), now the man is the support (not necessarily financially all the time) the nurterer, the long suffering supportive one (but not expendable).
"to have and to hold" is not about love or relationship, it is a term you will find in a real estate deed transfer contract it is ABOUT PROPERTY. ownership. The man in those old vows accepts the woman as now his sole property given to him by her father who now no longer owns her.
This is not a feminist rant THIS IS WHAT THE LAW USED TO BE & WHAT THESE WORDS MEAN. google the phrase and add real estate or property law.
Everything you are used to, #that a woman could even be considered as a possible custodial parent in the case of divorce, # that she could keep money such as wages or property she acquired during the marriage or even brought into it, # that she could vote, # hold office, # be in professions like medicine or law, # address a public meeting a mixed sex group meeting, # or even be issued a patent by the Patent Office, something denied to one woman on an invention because she was a woman, but then issued to her husband she got to front for her, # and countless things like wife beating being illegal and forced arranged marriages being illegal, allowing anesthesia in childbirth and allowing barrier contraception (once denounced even when a woman's health was at risk, the favorite pessary or support for uterine prolapsis was also a barrier contraceptive in effect so escaped the prohibition), #education for women beyond elementary school,
you even find a basis for in Scripture, YET THESE HAD TO BE WON THROUGH DECADES OF LEGAL AND LEGISLATIVE BATTLES IN THE 1800s AND EARLY 1900s AGAINST THOSE OPPOSING THESE THINGS WHO MISAPPLIED THE BIBLE since man is head all this other stuff THINGS YOU WOULD BE HORRIFIED AT were argued as the only proper way.
misunderstanding "one flesh" resulted in such statements in American law 1800s as that the two become one person, and that person is the husband. person is not flesh. and the one flesh remains clearly distinct beings. A better understanding in earlier British law, resulted in forbidding a man to marry the sister of a woman he had had sex with, because that sex act, in making him one flesh with her, made him effectively the brother of her sister, so marrying her sister would be de facto incest.
reducing marriage to a set of roles undercuts love and relationship, it is said "marriage is the death of love," and ignoring the one flesh issue makes seduction and abandonment easier since supposedly a couple is not bound if not legally bound. The faithless lover is applauded not condemned.
This twisting of the Scripture IGNORES VARIATION PAUL ALLOWED IN PRACTICE AS DISTINCT FROM THE IDEAL, e.g., the contrast between Paul's standard for elders and bishops and the reality of his appointing young Timothy bishop of Ephesus is extreme.
Of course you never address the issue, that Priscilla is addressed BEFORE her husband Aquila, named BEFORE him as appropriate to a head of household, as often as vice versa by Paul and there is mentioned "the church in THEIR house."
Again, we are told by Paul that we the church are to grow up into our Head, Who is Jesus Christ, become more like Him, closer to Him, etc., but of course there is a limit to this since He is also God.
Man is the source in a sense of woman - which also makes him her model. think amazon or tomboy. IF the church should grow into its head Jesus Christ, then woman should grow into her head, man, and since man is not God this means equality with man.
Christians whether male or female have one model, Jesus Christ Who is male.
By jove, I think she/he has got it! Christine, you are indeed the amazon model!!!!!!!!!!
Very moving video/audio (with English subtitles) of a brother of two of the Egyptian Coptic Christians martyred by ISIS/ISIL:
Brother of two Christian victims of ISIS calls in to SAT-7 live programme 'We Will Sing'
The brother of two of the 21 Coptic Christians murdered in Libya used live television (17 February) to thank their killers for including the men's declaration of faith in the video of their execution.
Quite obviously, this man who had two of his brothers martyred didn't wait for ISIS/ISIL to repent before forgiving them and praying for them on the air.
Craig, That goes right along with my link of the small child forgiving ISIS on the previous page.
Thanks for the good replies to Christine's distorted view of the bible and forgiveness. These persecuted Christians are down to the wire in hardship and tragedy and yet because of Christ in them they forgive the unthinkable....and what Christine, poor soul, does not yet understand. She needs the Holy Spirit to indwell her by faith so she will be given the power to forgive too.
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