According to a story appearing this morning in the WASHINGTON POST, Christians in India are undergoing severe trials. Churches have been burnt, forced and bribed conversions are being attempted by Hindu nationalists. That account suggests the persecution may have the Indian prime minister's blessings. However, another recent story suggests Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi ordered the campaign against Christians to be called off. Which is true, I do not currently know. Today's Washington Post article is later in time.
. . . His [Ajay Joseph, 39, a Christian lab technician] fears echo those of other religious minorities in majority-Hindu India, where some Christians and Muslims worry that incidents of religious tolerance will rise with the advent of a conservative government led by Narendra Modi, himself a fervent Hindu nationalist. In recent days, carolers have been beaten in the southern city of Hyderabad, and a Catholic church in New Delhi burned in a suspected case of arson. A conservative Hindu group said Wednesday that another mass “conversion” event would be held in February.Further, according to the story, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, has a history of failing to stop violence against Christians and Muslims:
For several days this month, India’s secular Parliament repeatedly lapsed into chaos as members debated religious conversions and a plan that would have kept students in school on Christmas, normally a holiday, and designate Dec. 25 “Good Governance Day.” The country’s foreign minister also called for designating the sacred Hindu text the Bhagavad Gita the “national scripture.”“They are feeling nobody can do anything to them because of Narendra Modi,” said Yusuf Dass, a pastor at Central Methodist Church in Aligarh , , ,
India’s 64-year-old prime minister has a troubling history of religious intolerance, opponents say. In 2005, while he was chief minister in the state of Gujarat, the United States revoked Modi’s U.S. visa on the grounds that he had committed “severe violations of religious freedom” by not acting to stop Hindu-Muslim riots in Gujarat in 2002.
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These are all intensely disturbing developments. Further, I cannot help but wonder if they are developments that will be used to help justify a forced New World Religion -- a long time goal of New Age planners that I encapsulated in my 1983 book THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW.
These are trying times for the faithful to be sure. We must remember Jesus Christ's injunction: Be ye faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life.
May God be with the Indian Christians and all who are facing persecution world wide for keeping the faith.
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dqbfB7MO60
ReplyDeleteDarwin spent many years in India.
The caste system is a favorite among the global elite.
I wonder how Darwin got that theory stuck in his head...hmmm.
This Hindu supremacist and India for Hinduism movement first got on my radar in the early 1990s, when the BNP political party and a violent arm with another name got mentioned in some foreign press.
ReplyDeleteMerry Christmas to Constance and everyone here.
ReplyDeleteJoy to the World, the Lord is Come, Let Earth Receive her King.
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Despite all that goes on around us lets keep the real meaning of Christmas in mind........and enjoy celebrating the truth of this special day with all our loved ones. God bless.
From Oz
Merry Christmas and a Godly and safe New Year.
ReplyDeleteConstance, how are you feeling?
ReplyDeleteConstance,
ReplyDeleteHave you heard of the claim by Dr. Austen Ivereigh that certain Cardinals engaged in Pre-Conclave canvassing? This was reported in the news portion of ChurchMilitantTV (Michael Voris) recently.
Here's a link:
http://cmtvnews.com/ and scroll down to Dec. 11, 2014
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This could be significant if true. If I am remembering correctly, it also reminded me of your post a few months ago about those Popes who were considered open to change and those who were not.
Here's another site with a timeline of events:
https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2014/12/02/the-chronology-of-reports-on-team-bergoglio/
Merry Christmas !
"I wonder how Darwin got that theory stuck in his head...hmmm."
ReplyDeletePerhaps because it's correct and he was a good scientist.
anon 4:11 Darwinian evolution has problems even evolutionists recognize. I recall reading Darwin to the end of his life was plagued by problems like the fossil record not really matching and so forth.
ReplyDeleteThe evolutionists who jumped ship got into the following boats, so to speak:
Punctuated equilibrium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
saltation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltation_(biology)
both of which fairly scream for a Creator to do it,
and of course
Intelligent Design (which implies a Creator, though some argue for aliens, which raises the question of who created them?)
Creationism which ranges from old earth (millions of years) to young earth (6 literal days, 7,000 yeqars old, or figurative days and maybe 12,000 years) and what I call midrange earth, allowing for not more than one million years more likely 100,000 at most for the whole thing.
regarding women warriors, I hear from my twitter sources who are close to people
in the situation itself, that some of the women in YPJ (women's combat units
in Kobane specifically and Rojava canton of Syria in general) and some
of the female Peshmerga fighters are Christians.
I know all that Christine. I don't wish to debate it with a scientific gadfly. Remember that Darwin was writing before genetic heritance was settled and at a time when philosophers could reasonably discuss the subject (which they still do, although without understanding it).
ReplyDeleteanon 10:17 irrelevant. Creationists and evolutionists agree pretty much on WHAT happened but not HOW or WHEN. radiometric dating conflicts ruin it all. we do not know how long it took for genes to change, and we share plant and other genes as well as chimp.
ReplyDeleteThe supposed chimp 98% similarity is a result of fudging the data. Genes that are NOT identical but merely do the same things, are counted as the same.
PRE TRIBBERS GET THIS: DANIEL 7:21, 22 RULES OUT A PRE TRIB RAPTURE.
"I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; UNTIL THE ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME,..."
the church will go through the tribulation. We are not appointed to the wrath of God, but since when is the persecution by the devil and his agents the wrath of God?
We get lifted out of the way of the wrath of God poured out on the antichrist and his followers, we are with Jesus, Who is in the sky, visible to all, and we stay with Jesus Who goes....where? to earth, to rule and fulfill the political messianic prophecies.
Christine, I'm not interested in engaging with you on evolution because it's already clear that, as with most subjects, you believe a mix of truth and falsity and aren't prepared to alter your views when the latter is demonstrated.
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ReplyDeleteI wrote at 1.38pm simply because if I'd ignored Christine then Constance's readers might have thought I was unable to respond.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBKmP23r5Zs
ReplyDeleteWeaponized Terms of Jihad (using words they know we think of as meaning one thing, when they mean another, definition issue.)
Everything looks just peachy with Pope Franny. Just keep watching and you will see the REAL truth.
ReplyDeleteThe 10 religious leaders with Pope Francis in PH
By Caroline J. Howard, ABS-CBN News Channel
Posted at 12/22/2014 6:28 PM
MANILA - Organizers are in the final stages of preparations with less than a month to go before Pope Francis' state and apostolic visit to the Philippines next year.
In press briefing on Monday, organizers announced to the media details of the Pontiff's meeting with the youth and religious leaders in University of Santo Tomas (UST) on January 18.
Organizers said, there will be no fixed program. Ten religious leaders from various denominations, together with members of the academe and peace advocates, a number of whom have partnered with the Church in various interfaith activities, will have the distinct privilege of meeting and speaking with the Pope.
10 RELIGIOUS LEADERS TO MEET WITH POPE FRANCIS:
1) Nektarios Tsilis (Orthodox Church)
2) Venerable Master Hsing Yun (Buddhists)
3) Taiwan Rabbi Eliyahu Azariah (Judaism)
4) Maharaj Rajesh Sharma (Hinduism)
5) H.E. Ephraim S. Fajutagana (Christian)
6) Bishop Cesar Vicente Punzalan III (Evangelical Church)
7) Julkipli Wadi (Islam), Dean, UP Institute of Islamic Studies
8) Imam Ebra Moxsir (Islam)
9) Dean Lilian Sison, UST - member, Religious for Peace Philippines
10) Former Chief Justice Reynato Puno - President and Chairman of the Board, Philippine Bible Society
Thanks 7:11 AM.
ReplyDeleteIt most definitely appears he is heading up the religious version of the new and improved tower of babel. Sure fits the new age agenda in all of it's global scope.
this isn't too different from the ecumenism and dialog that has gone on for decades.
ReplyDeleteChristine,
DeleteWould you not consider now a good time to humbly rescind any and all aspects of Hinduism you have propagated and promoted in this forum? It would be a courageous act of repentance were you to rescind such, and may go some distance in conveying your reputation to a state of repair and social reconciliation here.
True Christine, but now has the political clout, monetary backing, and cultural and religious sway that was not up to this level before, and coupled now with an openly displayed and played out in real time one world governance that encompasses the globe. The puzzle pieces are fitting and nearly all in place. Just waiting for the right 'crisis'. Don't worry it is on the horizon.....
ReplyDeleteYou seem to run once in a while hot but mostly cold on this issue and pretty much here to hear yourself 'talk'.
You also seem to get lost in minutia on virtually every topic and hard to follow because your points lead away from the point in the first place more often than not. By now I pretty much discard most of what you post for that reason.
Could even be construed to be preliminary meetings for New World Religion?? Or he is "evangelizing"?
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To Anonymous 11:46
ReplyDeleteI have a lot of respect for Michael Voris (though I don't always agree with him) so I will have to check it out. Thanks for the information.
Constance
Dear 12:33 PM,
ReplyDeleteBoth.
"You seem to run once in a while hot but mostly cold on this issue and pretty much here to hear yourself 'talk'."
ReplyDeletebecause its been being attempted for a long time, and not accomplished. No, I am here for the benefit of whoever benefits.
"You also seem to get lost in minutia on virtually every topic and hard to follow because your points lead away from the point in the first place more often than not."
I guess you want bumper sticker slogan statements. Sorry, but the details matter. They tell WHY an opinion is worth considering instead of presenting it and expecting you to bow to the commanding tone.
And no the points don't lead away, they are all part of the picture. Things do not operate in isolation usually, and given you are interested in conspiracy in the first place I find your attitude puzzling. I guess you just want a packaged conclusion fed to you and not have to think.
Christina
ReplyDeleteCome on. This doesn't seem to different from what's been going on for decades?
This is VERY different. In these times it's very obvious what the Pope is up to, except for those who do not want to see.
I wouldn't fear this Hindu thing as a possible push towards a world religion. I would fear what the Pope is doing more than anything. But you will never get that from Constance.
Didn't constance say not too long ago that the last 3 Popes were familiar with her work?
Well...apparently not. Or....they are and...Constance turns a blind eye.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteWould you not consider now a good time to humbly rescind any and all aspects of Hinduism you have propagated and promoted in this forum? It would be a courageous act of repentance were you to rescind such, and may go some distance in conveying your reputation to a state of repair and social reconciliation here.
I have never propagated any form or aspect of that false religion. if you want to complain about "energy body" or anatomy of the soul, I refer you to that chapter in Ecclesiastes about the breakdown process at death.
ReplyDeleteTo say I have ever propagated Hinduism is like saying that discussing astonomical and mathematical and medical knowledge of India before the caste system froze, and they started going downhill (about 1,00 or more years ago) is propagating Hinduism (of course they would put everything in context of their "religion" bu that's another matter).
A great many things in the medial pharmacopia that originate in plants in South America or Africa, were first in use by witch doctors (not the psychoactives I'm talking about curative plants) on the assumption that the qualities of the plant were due to the spirit of the plant. Ayahuasca aside, your attitude is like saying that selling pau d'arco or acai berry is selling animism.
typo 1,00 or more years should be 1,000 or more years
ReplyDeleteChristine,
ReplyDeleteYou have promoted aspects of Hinduism here Christine by having promoted the lie of Chakras here as truth (and you know that, which is why you have replied in such a way) and no amount of semantic acrobatics or amateur and disingenuous dialectic by you can negate that fact. There is nothing medical or anatomical about Chakras. They do not exist! Perhaps you should leave out the witch doctor and consult a professional and honestly Christian one about this. Keep taking the acai berries, in my opinion they are delicious and nothing animist about them in the slightest. Do be careful of what tree you eat fruit from though, its produce may be as deadly as nightshade or leave you as deluded as a shaman with an Ayahuasca shake!
Which chapter and verse(s) in Ecclesiastes would that be Christine? There is nothing anywhere in the Holy Bible which implies Chakras are real, nothing! You have been deceived by the lies of Hinduism and what's more, not only are you not willing to repent but you continue to propagate yet obfuscate your lies here! For you put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter, woe to you for doing so, you behave as one whose conscience is seared! Repent!
Christine,
ReplyDeleteI, too, am curious how you use Ecclesiastes as a source promoting the doctrine of Chakras. Are you referring to Eccl 6? If so, please explain.
Eccles. 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."
ReplyDeleteSanskrit chakra means wheel. Because it is roundish and rotative. All kinds of puzzling over this verse for centuries, or it is just ignored or written off as "poetry," meaning fake. But if you take God at His word, and assume where He didn't dictate but made sure the information was provided was correct, then such dismissal is highly dubious. What about inerrancy?
full on description of the soul/spirit interface to the body.
I have two eye doctors confirm the existence of people with white retinas NOT from eye disease who see fine, one confirmed a reflective layer behind the retina, this is nocturnal eye structure actually an imperfectly developed nocturnal eye. People like this in a camera flash that would normally show a red reflex, show white instead. Highly sensitive to glare, and good night vision.
of three people, one had smallpox vaccination around 10, the other in later teens, the third as an adult in the army. the ability of these to see the normally unseen is the first one almost nothing, unless its extreme. the second, variable but has to work at it. the third, real easy but can shut it off.
in all cases, peripheral vision is a major player, precisely where IR and UV sensitive cells are.
out of Africa, reports that smallpox vaccination is avoided some places not originally for fear of contamination, but because it shut down the ability of kids to "see" which was helpful in protecting herds. (probably picked up on the aura of a predator otherwise invisible in the dark before it could get close.)
I see a pattern. My guess is whoever wrote Ecclesiastes had the white retinas, and of course no smallpox vaccination that apparently shuts down the expression of the gene, which acts like an imperfect dominant where I've been able to track it in families. Or, the writer had information from such.
Interestingly enough, the "religions" who get into this, don't agree on number of chakras, and the throat chakra is almost always wrongly placed in the charts. Shows they started with info from people who could "see" but then warped it with their peculiar doctrines which incl. associating "deities" and mantras with each chakra. Given their bad bias, I wouldn't touch such sources on what constitutes chakra health or what to do about it. The existence is one thing, other details are probably dangerously wrong.
chakras are not a religious issue any more than brain structure (and how to meddle with it) are a New Age false doctrine from the transhumanist Kurzweilian segment.
ReplyDeleteThe author of Ecclesiastes does not name himself but says he is a king of Israel in Jerusalem and a son of David; so he is either Solomon or one of the kings of Judah after the civil war which began after Solomon's death. ("Son" does not necessarily mean next generation, but could mean grandson, great-grandson etc.) It is a book by an old man who knew God existed but who neglected his relationship with him, and thankfully still time to change as he realises he has wasted his life.
ReplyDeleteVerse 12:6 is obviously, in context, a symbolic description of death. If the water container is broken at the fountain or the cartwheel is broken at the well then you can't take water away from it and you will die. The Hebrew for golden bowl is that for the bowl containing the oil reservoir that fed the menorah-lampstand which lit the Temple (Zech 4:3-4), so it is a metaphor for inner processes that sustain life. The silver cord is less clear, but its severance speaks of death. To insist that this verse speaks of chakras is blatant eisegesis. You can't prove it - it's just a hunch, and not a very well fitting one either.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote:
[In] Sanskrit chakra means wheel. Because it is roundish and rotative. All kinds of puzzling over this verse [Eccl 12:6] for centuries, or it is just ignored or written off as "poetry," meaning fake. But if you take God at His word, and assume where He didn't dictate but made sure the information was provided was correct, then such dismissal is highly dubious. What about inerrancy?
Where to start. A piece of writing in poetic form is not necessarily “fake.” The entire Song of Solomon (Song of Songs) is poetic, illustrating the love between a man and a woman. It’s hardly “fake.” Linguistic devices such as metaphor, analogy, simile, and hyperbole are used in order to be illustrative, polite, etc. Jesus employed hyperbole (“if your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away”) and other literary devices (believers as “sheep”; Church as “bride”) on many occasions. And, this has nothing to do with inerrancy.
Anon 4:48 answered you well.
Neither can you prove that the statements having words that refer to specific physical things, does not use them to describe similar non physical things.
ReplyDeleteInner processes sustaining life include things of the soul. Which is what we are talking about here.
"The silver cord is less clear" - very clear to those who have seen and experienced it in bilocation and near death situations.
your approach is like that of those who argue that unusual stories like talking donkeys should not be taken literally but merely metaphors or children's stories to make a point.
The wheel broken at the cistern is an exact fit to the concept of the spinning wheel like energy center, that has to do with drawing aliveness from somewhere into the body, or from one point in the body that is key (the cistern concept) to other parts.
These things speak of death all right, like the heart stopping and the light going out of your eyes and they look dead speaks of death.
So I ask you, do you believe in something that has to do with the life of the body, that survives it after death of the body?
If you don't, or you think it consists solely of something called spirit and not anything intermediate between body and spirit in nature, then we don't have anything to talk about do we? you are going to interpret anything in The Bible in a way that suits your position, writing it off as metaphor.
Meanwhile, when I first read that verse, the real blatant kicker was the silver cord. exactly what some call it based on is appearance. The chakra angle only became evident later when I knew what chakra meant in Sanskrit, wheel.
and NONE OF THIS IS RELIGIOUSLY RELEVANT, any more than any discussion of the structure of the physical body is religiously relevant (except maybe implications of upright humanoid form to the idea of image of God).
ReplyDeleteHinduism believes in and makes a religious issue out of eras of hundreds of thousands of years yugas and like other systems believes in an earlier "golden age" sort of thing, so do we though not in exactitude its the time before The Fall we have the facts, they have a warped vague culturally transmitted recollection. We have a linear time sense they treat it as cyclic the final age to end in a golden age that will proceed to decline and go through the whole thing again. We don't.
Hinduism and others worship ancient human heroes as "gods," we acknowledge the existence of some of them, but don't worship them, most we don't even remember kindly.
A major message of that verse and the context to those who make a big focus on etheric body structure and its manipulation, is that eventually it will all break down, and all your technical knowledge about it and how to affect it or use it to affect your physical body, will someday mean nothing, and the real issue is, "remember your Creator."
ReplyDelete"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
"For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Eccles. 12:13, 14.
Christine, teasing out the meaning of verses like Ecclesiastes 12:6 is an art, not a science, and is to be done within the context of ancient Israel, not ancient India. We have set forth our views and I am content to let Constance's readers decide for themselves.
ReplyDeleteyou don't need context of ancient India.
ReplyDeleteRemember what i said about white retinas and paranormal sight? either he had this untrammeled or could draw on information of those who did.
Ditto the ones who first started this line of inquiry in India. The issue is, that AN OBSERVED OBJECT IS CALLED THE SAME THING. Both sets of observers, Israel and India, likened it to a wheel.
there is no teasing out of meaning needed for someone with the right background, just like anyone used to wine growing or shepherding doesn't need to do any work to understand passages that rely on or reference this.
ReplyDeleteI repeat it is an art not a science, a matter of expertise, wisdom and knowledge. And humility. Let others judge between us.
ReplyDeleteChristine@(9:09 AM): "there is no teasing out of meaning needed for someone with the right background... "
ReplyDeleteAnd what background might that be Christine? One of a rebellious reprobate such as yourself refusing correction and sound doctrine in favour of the gnostic lies of Hinduism via the NAM? Let go of your rage, your vanity and blind pride; stop roaming around this blog as a roaring lioness of lies and deception looking to see whom you may devour. Repent and humble yourself, and God will renew your mind!
The Christian and logical rendering of Ecclesiastes 12:6 would agree with Benson that: the silver cord refers to spinal marrow, "which comes from the brain, and goes down to the lowest end of the back-bone"; the golden bowl refers to the membranes of the brain; (next, Solomon is describing the primary organs responsible for producing , distributing, and circulating the blood.) the fountain is the right ventricle of the heart; the pitcher "is the arteries which conveys the blood from it to other parts". the cistern refers to the left ventricle of the heart; the wheel no doubt refers the great artery, rightly called, "because it is the great instrument of this circulation. The pitcher may be said to be broken at the fountain, when the veins do not return the blood to the heart, but suffer it to stand still and cool, whence comes that coldness of the outward parts, which is a near forerunner of death. And the wheel may be said to be broken at the cistern, when the great arteries do not perform their office of conveying the blood into the left ventricle of the heart, and of thrusting it out thence into the lesser arteries, whence comes that ceasing of the pulse, which is a certain sign of approaching death."
Ecclesiastes 12 is undoubtedly a call by a repentant yet regretful old man (probably Solomon) to put one's spiritual house in order immediately, and a reminder of a wasted life in sin. It is a refutation of that age old lie regards the result of sin: "ye shall not surely die!"
I refer you and others to the commentary section relating to Eccles. 12:6 at biblehub.com where you may gain a full understanding if only you will humble your rebellious nature Christine! Repent and stop peddling Hinduism here!
Thanks to those who give Biblical and reasonable responses to Christine who indeed peddles her 'trash collection' here. She has picked up bits and pieces of heresy from about anywhere everywhere and is right proud of it too.
ReplyDeleteYou do this blog a huge favor when you come along keeping things in context and in proportion to clean up the mess she leaves here.
chakras are not Hinduism, they are just anatomy of sorts. Nothing to do with theology of any kind.
ReplyDeleteI gather biblehub is your pope, whatever its commentaries say goes no matter what.
spinal cord doesn't break (of decay) until some time after death. not part of the process of death. I am acquainted with all these explanations, and while the heart might be the cistern on a life force as well as physical basis, the wheel cannot be the aorta, that would be called an ARCH not a wheel.
I am acquainted with this sort of explanation already. The background needed is having paranormal sight, or information from those who do. There are two kinds of clairvoyance, subjective, which is learned, and objective which is inherited. the latter depends on the physical eyes being in shape, so it is definitely some kind of physical thing, but operating in a zone most don't operate in.
cats and dogs have the nocturnal eye, fully developed, and are notorious for reacting to things we can't see.
those humans with a partial tapedum lucidum - not the normal human eye and yes such exist - have better night vision, and if never had smallpox, the vaccination, or possibly chicken pox either, will usually be able to see things the cats see, but most of humans don't.
The first I learned of the white retina, I talked to an animal medical specialist, because I already knew the answer. she said "you're getting this white reflection off a HUMAN eye?!!"
enough of it turns up that not only is red eye reduction an issue to photographers, but one was querying on usenet years ago about white eye reduction also.
I suspect this is the way our eyes were originally, suited to low light operation, real early pre dawn and dawn, and real late when sun is down but still there is some light to where the sky is so dark it seems night, but not yet, because you can see trees against it.
And this is when God used to walk with Adam and Eve before the Fall, "in the cool of the evening," which one commentator says is the BREEZE of the evening, when it is dark and cool enough a breeze develops, in that geography.
After the Fall, I think God blocked the action of the genes controlling its expression, to minimize contact with lying spirits, but somehow the gene controlling activation or expression of this gene reactivated in some people, whose descendants have them now.
This physical condition, which is DISTINCT from eye diseases that cause loss of color in the retina, because in these cases there is no sight problem except (predictably) glare sensitivity, is a reality.
Don't expect your typical eye doctor, or any standard anatomy book, to know about it. Only a few do. A search for white retinas will only discuss the eye disease, which is totally different. The human nocturnal eye, which is apparently predisposed to paranormal sight (really sight more into infrared and ultraviolet range than normal) has no eyesight problem, except things like astigmatism which is not about the retina, and glare or bright light sensitivity, and has good night vision.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me the explanation given by Benson and others at biblehub.com, regards Ecclesiastes 12:6, is a very scientific explanation indeed! Are you forever learning and never understanding Christine? Now is your chance to seek out a matter properly.
I note, on this blog (Tuesday, September 25, 2012) when you were anticipating the arrival of your fabled Nibiru, complaining of vampire attacks you'd been experiencing, you invited us to accept your delusions of Ecclesiastes referring to chakras further by alluding to non-existent verses (Your imagined Ecclesiastes 12: 16, 17, 18). There are only 14 verses in Ecclesiastes 12, Christine! Did you mean verses 6, 7, and 8? If so, in light of Benson's exegesis of verse 6, you should pay close attention to verses 7 and 8.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
Repent while there is time for you don't know what the morrow might bring!
Christine,
ReplyDeleteThe human eye has three types of cell which are most sensitive to red, green and blue light respectively, although each can detect other wavelengths (with waning sensitivity, the further from the "best" wavelength for that type of cell). These three types of cell are not very good at low light levels, and we have a fourth type of cell that is fart more sensitive to light across a broad spectrum - so we see in black and white at low light.
Genetic factors cause some persons to have differences from this normal eye, usually reducing sensitivity of one or other type of cell (as in "colour blindness", an over-simplistic description); diseases and other environmental factors can harm the cells too. But all that the cells ever do is respond to electromagnetic radiation. The idea that if you have more sensitive eyes then you will see spirits is nonsense. If that were the case then they would have shown up in various scientific experiments with detectors far more sensitive than the human eye.
When a human "sees" a spirit, the parts of the brain that connect to the optical nerve are stimulated. Whether the retina is stimulated by the spirit in the absence of any light and then passes on a signal to the brain, we simply do not know.
Animals such as cats and dogs have differing types of retinal cell from us. Cats don't have such good colour vision but are much better at low light. Dogs don't have very good eyesight at all - it is their senses of hearing and smell that are much more developed than humans. Experiments in which noise and odour are carefully eliminated show that they have no visual capabilities that are not accountable for by the differences in their retinal cells from those of humans.
If chakras are anatomical, how do you account for the complete absence of any corresponding structures found in dissections of the dead and magnetic resonance imaging of the living?
"There are two kinds of clairvoyance, subjective, which is learned, and objective which is inherited."
That is speculation. Clairvoyance involves interaction with volitional spirits. Such interaction may be deliberate or unintentional on the part of the human (the former is forbidden in Mosaic Law) and may involve spirits inside or outside the person.
Physicist
Christine,
ReplyDeleteGo and read Benson's exegesis FULLY, at biblehub.com.
Chakras are concepts which come from Hinduism, which in turn undoubted comes from Ancient Babylonian witchcraft, as do the Kabbalah's sephirot, and the levels of freemasonry, etc, and ultimately from the Devil himself where he lied in the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve would have their eyes opened and be as gods! "
You are promoting that very same lie Christine, with your assertions at 11:39am of occult knowledge where you state: "Don't expect your typical eye doctor, or any standard anatomy book, to know about it. Only a few do."
Are you not an agent provocateur for all things heretical, a dealer in deception? Your pretended knowledge and gnostic mutterings make you blind, and wretched and poor!
I put it to you that you connive, and obfuscate your intentions whilst all the while infesting this blog with doctrines of devils, lies, deception, diversion and wasting others' time. You need deliverance but are too rebellious, too blind and too proudly shameless and arrogant to realise it. You are a peddlar of perversions, a dealer in deception, a merchant of the NAM and all things gnostic, a vendor of vanities, and (most specifically to this page) a whore to Hinduism throwing your counterfeit notes around embossed with the slogan, 'In Chakras We should Trust ', yet when held up to the light of truth, such scrutiny declares them to be the void and worthless currency of the ever bankrupt system of Hinduism!
Christine, Anonymous 1:38 PM was spot on, whether it be evolution, chakras, vampires, Nibiru or any of your false beliefs and occult leanings you diseminate here:
ReplyDelete"Christine, I'm not interested in engaging with you on evolution because it's already clear that, as with most subjects, you believe a mix of truth and falsity and aren't prepared to alter your views when the latter is demonstrated."
Thank you Anonymous 1:38PM!
Constance,
ReplyDeletePlease fulfil your word given in the past to restrict Christine Erikson to one post per day. She is twisting this thread from subjects proper to this blog.
Christine, you wrote at 11:39 AM:
ReplyDelete"I gather biblehub is your pope, whatever its commentaries say goes no matter what."
Christine, the information at biblehub.com is reliable and from solid Christian sources, yours are not.
Christine, it is easy to see who your pope is, the devil himself, the father of lies and all liars and deceivers such as yourself! You are full of the blinding venom of gnostic deception, I praise God that His truth is the antidote to such heresies and Hindu poison that seeps from your fingers and on to this blog!
"After the Fall, I think God blocked the action of the genes controlling its expression, to minimize contact with lying spirits, but somehow the gene controlling activation or expression of this gene reactivated in some people, whose descendants have them now."
ReplyDeleteWOW CHRISTINE!
So God wasn't able to block it fully?
WOW!
Christina is obviously way out of hand with much of what she comes up with.
ReplyDeleteBut most of you are NO BETTER.
Most of you are just happy to pat each other on the back with your back and forth junk that really doesn't expose anyone or anything that isn't easily accessible or blatantly obvious.
Most of you border on hero worship of Constance, who hasn't published anything relevant in YEARS. You all just lap up all the Solana, Bailey, Creme, Nazi, Rainbow, etc CRAP.
It's amazing how many of you DO NOT speak up about what is really going on, especially this year. Your just content to get kudos from each other and a feel good response from Constance herself.
I do not agree with Christina at all, but without her, this blog would probably have under 50 posts with each thread because what is really going on is NOT discussed here.
I only visit here from time to time to see if anything has changed, and it has NOT. Only worse.
Constance has never impressed me like she does most you, because she doesn't see the real picture. Never really has.
Just look at the last few threads as a good indication. And this latest thread? What is going in with ISIS and also the pope working VERY HARD to bring world religions together and Constance is worried about the Hindus bringing about a one world religion?
What a joke! Pathetic!
I'm outta here. Time to find somebody that is REALLY going to expose what is going on and not still live in the 70's and 80's.
And this blog has really become boring and repetitive without Christina.
Maybe I'll check back in a few weeks and I can find some thread on who Solana's father met 50 years ago. Or what Creme is up to now. You know, the really important stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hindu_political_parties
ReplyDeletemy earlier reference to BNP was wrong it is BJP on the list blue names are clickable to get more information.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/05/economist-explains-8 what hindu nationalism means
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hindu-nationalists-are-gaining-power-in-india--and-silencing-enemies-along-the-way-9155591.html
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=shoebat%20hindu links to Shoebat articles about Hindu violence against Christians
anon 3:03 what's going on now, is that the New Age in its "spiritual" form and some of its politics has gone mainstream. A lot of churches are infected with ideas that many would reject if they realized they connect to Theosophy. So Constance isn't that far off.
The ultimate goal of eliminating Christianity and non mystical versions of Judaism is still going on. The gnostic compatible goal of eliminating as much people as possible is in the works.
Some forms of gnostic and occultic stuff made inroads through popular literature and TV programs and as people grew up with them, it was easier to take the next step.
Things like Kurzweil would have been dismissed 50 years ago, many things would never have got a hearing as possible, or even desirable, that are now respectable.
Instead of complaining, why don't you figure out how to deal with THAT, now that everything is so blurry and the average person doesn't have two brain cells to rub together, and we have to get the theologically and morally sound together to reinvent the wheel and re evangelize the Christians to Christ of The Bible of the Nicene Council's doctrines, which formulated in easy to understand terms what would take a year of 8 hour daily study to understand, something most people never do or have the time to do.
paul, I didn't say God couldn't block it fully. the point is that the block may have been partial to begin with, or it may have become unblocked in a few cases later, something God allowed.
ReplyDeleteObviously switching a gene off doesn't guarantee it will stay off. We are just beginning to understand how this works, google metagenetics.
Some kind of chemical exposure may have done it, or lateral inheritance may have done it.
lateral inheritance is acquiring genes that don't come from parents. This happens when a virus snags a gene or gene segment, and takes it from one animal or plant into another. This happens in nature, and the discovery was the basis of genetic engineering in labs. However when it is forced in the lab, the outcome is not as reliable as the event in nature, though the viral transport or sometimes bacterial transport mechanism used is the same.
Dear 3:03 PM,
ReplyDeleteGood Grief!
This blog is not the comments section. The blog is Constance Cumbey's work and whether she posts often or not, whatever she posts is relevant information. How many thousands visit here who need to know about the new age? COME ON! The attraction should not be the sideshow of Christine's trash religion, trash science, trash human relations advise or whatever on God's green earth she wants to post. Her keyboard has diahrrea and she loves to flood this place with what has filled her heart and head---and it is probably a good 97% crap. She needs deliverance alright. (Lord help that poor soul). This is something that keeps you mildly entertained since you are all up on everything new age yourself (?) to keep coming back for more of her blather that she serves up with a heapin' helpin' of crappy attitude besides? Christine wants attention----tons of it! A drama junkie!
You need to get a grip or something........wow.
I don't know what your big disappointment is in life but truly you are looking for something. Hey I know something--rather someone you need......JESUS. He does not disappoint. (and He'll forgive too if you ask Him--don't forget you need that the most)
Christine, you and 3:03PM need to talk. And while you are at it why not leave here and partner up for a brand new blog!?!
ReplyDeleteA blog name just came to my mind but I'll spare ya.
anon 3:52 I actually think that's a good idea, what is the name you suggest?
ReplyDeleteI am always interested in a good laugh.
if anon 3:03 wants to try this, he or she can contact me on the comments section
of http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com
Anon 3:46 & 3:52
ReplyDeleteYou are proving my point.
Your right, this is Constance's blog based on her work. But please.....lets not pretend that the new age is truly being exposed here. It's NOT.
And you are the one that truly needs Jesus. Because you are blind to the truth.
Anon 3:03 and 4:24....
ReplyDeleteI'm not in disagreement with some of what you say. But....
Let's say you had your own blog. Can you give us, say, half-a-dozen subjects or "post titles" that you'd have posted over the past couple months?
Obviously (based on what I suspect are your past objections here) the Pope and his every-more-suspect antics of late would be in there, but what others? What would you have us discuss and look up and do more research on?
It used to be the case here that if someone had an interesting topic to look into further, they'd mention it here, and people would go off to Google-land (or wherever) and come back with what they found. Usually such inquiries started with a link as well.
It doesn't seem to operate like that anymore, and I feel your frustration. Christine is a large part of the problem. The signal to noise ratio is much higher than it used to be. Using a comments section for research and dialog is very counterproductive.
So anyway, give us a bullet-point list of 5 or 6 things to research. We will ignore the inevitable research of you-know-who as much as possible. I think it's still workable. Give it one more go, eh?
And....I'll try not to post so much about Russia and WW3. ;^)
CONSTANCE - Baker McKenzie
ReplyDeleteCuriosity still has me looking through the EU VAT 'paradigm shift in taxation' which comes into effect on Jan 1st. It has been niggling me that the Irish based firm Taxamo have been very much involved in promoting their software solutions and have hosted events for the HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs).
Today I noticed for the first time that Esteban van Goor, who has also been a speaker at these events and webinars is with Baker McKenzie.
Taxamo webinar UK - http://www.taxamo.com/vatmoss-webinar-2/
Taxamo webinar for US - http://www.taxamo.com/eu-vat-registration-us/
Taxamo are linked to FEXCO - http://www.fexco.com/
I don't know if this might be a red herring or not but thought you might be interested to hear of the 'Chicago connection'.
Have a blessed and wonderfilled Christmas,
~ K ~
Dear 3.03pm,
ReplyDeleteSo stop grumbling and start your own blog where you can post what is really going on, and tell us where to read it.
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ReplyDelete'Employed' should've read emplored! Still, I guess employed is something you should consider Christine, employed in repentance, in being truthful, in valid and respectable Christian research! Yet, so far, as we've sadly witnessed regards your posts the Devil sure makes work of your idle hands!
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ReplyDeleteMerry Christmas Constance, posters and lurkers!
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ReplyDeleteTo 4:24
ReplyDeleteIf people don't know about the New Age Movement in its most important dimensions, it truly is not MY fault. I have stayed faithfully at my post for upwards of nearly 34 years now. If you have something constructive to add, add it. Otherwise, stop tearing down!
Constance
To 3:46 p.m. I would suggest that you too need JESUS (as do we all). Your obvious spirit of sarcastic self-righteousness is just as evil as any other evil spirit.
ReplyDeleteFor the record, I still am not fully recovered from what I came down with last week. My physician told me that he himself had it -- "nasty stuff" and it was going around town.
Constance
Christine, I cannot conceive how you would possibly not construe chakras as a religious issue!
ReplyDeleteConstance
Because, Constance, Christine said above that "chakras are not Hinduism, they are just anatomy of sorts. Nothing to do with theology". In which case let her answer the question posed to her above: "If chakras are anatomical, how do you account for the complete absence of any corresponding structures found in dissections of the dead and magnetic resonance imaging of the living?"
ReplyDeleteWe await.
why chakras are not a religious issue. same reason eckankar is idiotic for making a religion out of bilocation, its just another way of getting around eckankar is equivalent to making a religion out of taking a walk or riding the bus.
ReplyDeleteAs I said once years ago, astral projection only proves something exists that would survive the body, it does not prove reincarnation.
MRI etc. doesn't show the existence of the soul, yet you believe in its existence.
MRIs don't show all there is, just like the CAT scan PET scan don't show all their is either, ergo the invetions of these systems instead of settling for the original format unimproved.
All kinds of pagans and occultists and even atheists believe in the existence of the soul. Their belief is based sometimes on tradition, but also often on flat out experience.
religious issues are does God exist, if so WHO is He WHICH claimant to godhood is legitimate and the rest upstarts, what He says regarding some things.
If someone worships their own body (as some do) they have turned it into a false god but it does exist.
astronomy was very much a religious issues, when the planets and stars were viewed as "gods," no one thinks of it that way anymore.
" "If chakras are anatomical, how do you account for the complete absence of any corresponding structures found in dissections of the dead and magnetic resonance imaging of the living?""
ReplyDeletethis is the exact same question that used to be asked regarding the soul, by materialists in the 1800s probably later, minus the MRI part before that existed.
Hinduism is the worship of many gods with a view to getting help and favor and racking up merit points to aid in a better reincarnation later.
ReplyDeleteA fast track approach that shifts the focus off gods and onto the reincarnation and karmic mechanism (supposed) of it is all these meditative systems and yoga and so forth. When you believe "salvation" is not about escaping torment or about getting to live physically forever in a new garden of eden minus tree of knowledge of good and evil and minus snake, but about merging into a divine blur, then you are going to take note of such processes as affect your state of mind. Here comes yoga and energy manipulation re chakras etc.
The whole focus on the chakras in tantrism, is about how to undo the process of coming into existence, what I call a labor intensive form of suicide.
The whole bias underlying hinduism is rejection of the physical universe and thinking it is evil, and its uses of the chakras is to help destroy that part of it called your mind and body.
therefore I wouldn't touch New Age (hindu derived) advice on what auras are supposed to look like if healthy or how to manage your chakras.
chakras have "nothing to do with theology" because they, survivng dinosaurs (not located) and okapis (dismissed as nonexistent but located)m have nothing to do with the issue of is YHWH a Trinity or not, does Jesus have two natures divine and human, or is He a merger modifying both or an illusion of physicality or what?
ReplyDeletechakras have nothing to do with "did Jesus rise from the dead" or the Second Coming.
But you said chakras were anatomical Christine. That's why the analogy you make with the soul has nothing to do with the question you were asked. In your reply you are actually suggesting, stripped of diversionary waffle, that MRI machines etc are missing something. So in that case are the anatomists who have now dissected the human body down to cellular level. I am not aware of any evidence whatsoever for your assertion and if it is not to be dismissed as speculation then you should provide some.
ReplyDeleteI said anatomy of the soul, then in context have esaid that called it an anatomical issue. The soul is an anatomical issue also.
ReplyDeleteyour argument is precisely what materialists use against the existence of the soul or spirit. If you are a Christian or a Jew that should give you pause about this kind of argument.
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ReplyDeleteChristine your religion is that you know more than anyone else. The First Church of Christ(ine).
You're smarter, you're better informed and you can speed read better than anyone else. You're the resident expert on not only Christianity and Judaism but also Hinduism, Islam and Witchcraft.
You worship your prideful intellect, which in turn leaves you blinded in a feedback loop of your own
misinformation without any chance of correction.
It's comical; astral projection, chakras, men on mars, spiritual vampirism, special eyes that can see the spirit world, etc etc.
When these things are COMBINED with an actual Christianity you have an abomination, like an image of Astarte propped up in the Holy of Holies.
It's actually worse than just ignorant paganism, as
I understand the scriptures.
Things were bad enough when all the pagan gods and all the pagan superstitions were going on all around Jerusalem, but when the priests began to bring idols into the holy place and set them up
next to the things of God , then the real trouble started.
So my question to you Christine is, how's that working for you?
Is the admixture of Christianity with paganism
and crank science bringing you a peace that passes all understanding? Do you think that God is glad that there is superstition mixed together with his things ?
If you don't like Christianity as it is, with zero magic and zero witchcraft, maybe you should just
simplify, one way or the other. Your personal religion is the definition of LUKEWARM, and confused.
I believe that your Christanity is sincere. I really do.
We all do what you're doing, too, to various degrees.
It's high time we all stripped away the chaff and gathered the wheat.
We need to have the true oil in our lamps and it cannot be mixed with water, or gasoline.
Christine, you think to win this argument by splitting hairs. What you fail to realize or else don't mind downplaying is the devil is in your details. Where Scripture is silent you should be too or at least keep your so-called "higher knowledge" to yourself since you really have inadequate bible backing.
ReplyDeleteGetting a right answer that sticks to context from you is like trying to nail jello to a wall. Your "knowledge" is useless taking up blog wasting space.
The Roman Catholic Church:
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judahslion.blogspot.com
Christine,
ReplyDeleteIn order to help “prove” your own distinctive doctrine on “chakras,” you wrote:
I said anatomy of the soul, then in context have esaid that called it an anatomical issue. The soul is an anatomical issue also [like “chakras”].
The term anatomical means to be of the material body. Therefore, by your own definition, “chakras” are a material part of a human. The fact that “chakras” do not show up on MRIs refutes your claim. Moreover, you’ve previously identified yourself as an adherent to traducianism; and, according to its definition on Wikipedia, the soul (or spirit) is immaterial, as quoted from the first three sentences:
In Christian theology, traducianism is a doctrine about the origin of the soul (or synonymously, "spirit"), in one of the biblical uses of word to mean the immaterial aspect of human beings (Genesis 35:18, Matthew 10:28). Traducianism means that this immaterial aspect is transmitted through natural generation along with the body, the material aspect of human beings. That is, an individual's soul is derived from the souls of the individual's parents.
Your argument is incoherent, failing on multiple levels.
Sorry, meant to include Wikipedia link:
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traducianism
Christine, please elaborate what you mean by anatomy in other meanings than material. Until you do then you have not said anything coherent.
ReplyDeleteanatomy of the soul is the phrase I originally used. Everything else was said in context of having said that. Do you have a problem remembering things?
ReplyDeletethe immaterial also has a shape so to speak has an anatomy.
I don't have any "higher knowledge," and if you research the occultism of the 1800s you will find that they were using the new discoveries of electricity and magnetism to support their ideas, and actually these don't fit that well.
but there is nothing higher about electricity or magnetism, it is just another part of God's creation as is the soul.
total ignorance of internal human anatomy didn't keep people from having a relationship with God, knowing His commands and obeying them, and modern increase of knowledge does not in itself help it.
There is nothing incoherent about my statements, you are reading them through a grid that agrees with the New Age effort to include everything in a coherent New Age picture. Therefore you reject any part of it, instead of recognizing that some parts are weapons against that picture, for example, the conflict in different systems in the far east as to number and location of energy centers, and the New Age Theosophy and typical Hindu chart mislocating the throat chakra, which should show these people have a problem precisely where they think they are experts.
There is nothing "higher" about knowing how to make an internal combustion engine, even if some people feel godlike in racing down the freeway, grooving on the sense of speed. Which latter is a delusion, and itself not inherent to cars anyway, just how some people deal with them.
This is not incoherence this is making analogy examples to help you understand.
Chakras are irrelevant to the issue of theology, do not in themselves support anything of the New Age, and most of the time any knowledge about their existence has little bearing on your health or anything else.
Some idiots drawing on Origen thought the soul was shaped like a round ball and that in the Resurrection we would all be immaterial and round. A specific anathema was issued against that idea.
It's Christmas day and Christine's focus is still explaining her bad argument. Just where is your head and even more so your heart dear?
ReplyDeleteThat is sad.
But Christine you said that chakras are associated with specific locations in the physical human body. Setting aside your rudeness, which people generally use when they are short of arguments, aren't you trying to have it both ways?
ReplyDeleteno rudeness doesn't mean you are short of arguments, it means you are tired of stupid responses and twistings of your words. Asking if you have trouble is a kindness instead of accusing you of deliberate twisting.
ReplyDeletethe entire soul is associated with the entire body. the interfaces where the soul seems to operate through to the body, which is itself apparently the outer shell of the soul, are the energy points at issue. The accupuncture points have been called "lesser chakras." these are points where the physical and material overlap for lack of a better word.
There is a heart chakra and a belly chakra and some systems give you more than one for each.
In the case of the throat chakra, it is normally pictured as situated in the front of the throat near the voicebox, or through the entire voice box level throat.
But on two occasions, when attacked through the throat chakra, that wasn't where I felt it, but higher up, throughout the base of the skull at the jaw-throat-ear or just below the ear level, in one case like a rope sinching up around there. And one person in this admitted the throat chakra is not positioned correctly on the charts, but higher up.
This might have some relevance in how to heal or harm, but it has no relevance to how to live your life or get saved and stay saved. And it has no relevance to how Christ healed, because His healings were instantaneous of major problems, and stimulating or redirecting spin of chakras does not do major instantaneous corrections of disease.
the body affects the soul and the soul affects the body.
This is more about medicine than religion. But the occultists make a religion out of it, and they buy this deception to accept it, and you buy this deception to reject it all instead of separating wheat from chaff and using it against them.
The biggest argument, in terms a non Christian can accept, is the incompetence of the New Age. This is an example.
one indication that derangement of the etheric body, causing electrical peculiarities, can come from demons, is that both I and my biological so called mother had for many years been unable to wear digital watches for very long without their becoming very inaccurate.
ReplyDeleteAfter I accepted Jesus Christ and got baptized the first time, and started praying a lot and probably prayed for her also, this phenomenon STOPPED in my case and in her case.
Once again Christine is correct and everyone else is
ReplyDeletewrong.
sigh
Christine!
There are no chakras.
And you are more wiccan than anything else.
You say you've read the Bible through more than once but then you demonstrate that it just didn't satisfy your curiosity quite enough.
Jammer.
She who sows confusion will reap the whirlwind.
ReplyDeleteDarwinism is simply Hinduism wrapped in an elitist 'scientific' package. The goal was to reenforce the racist, class society desired by the elites in order to justify their pathetic dreams of being of a favoured race, as the complete title of his "origin of species" says.
Darwin's finches adapt cyclically based on available food sources. Not in a linear long term way as Darwin proposed. Societies follow a Biblical pattern of growth, peak and destruction. A society based on Darwinism has no need for God or His laws, the end is near, God has no use for Darwinists.
Darwin repented on his deathbed although not publicly.
His bulldog Huxley's sons have brought us Unesco and common core (schools for the revolution) and the 'brave new world' of global grid computing.
I predict millions will die because that's what 'isms' do, create mass murder.
Christine should have been banned by now.
"You say you've read the Bible through more than once but then you demonstrate that it just didn't satisfy your curiosity quite enough."
ReplyDeletesame to you if you went to school beyond elementary school.
Meanwhile those who have inherited ability to see the unseen can tell you a lot of interesting things, and tell you what cats are looking at when there is nothing there.
my grandmother probably had some sight, because all her favorite plants were entity repellant species. But I didn't understand about this until I stumbled on this. White cyclamen, red begonia, african violet, jade plant, citrus. most such plants cancel each other out, if an even number of species are present close to each other, has to be an odd number, but citrus is an exception.
The quaternion disinfectants do the same and bust up residuums, your own and others.
"The biggest argument, in terms a non Christian can accept, is the incompetence of the New Age. This is an example."
ReplyDeleteSo what you're saying Christine is that your argument is one a non-Christian can accept because it is an example of New Age incompetence!
"Christine should have been banned by now."
ReplyDeleteI am no fan of Darwin, Huxley or evolution. you are buying the new age lie that some oddball piece of fact either validates or, if you oppose them, is still part of their system.
"there are those who believe that chakras have a physical manifestation as well.[29] Gary Osborn, for instance, has described the chakras as metaphysical counterparts to the endocrine glands,[30] while Anodea Judith noted a marked similarity between the positions of the two and the roles described for each.[31] Stephen Sturgess also links the lower six chakras to specific nerve plexuses along the spinal cord as well as glands.[32] C.W. Leadbeater associated the Ajna chakra with the pineal gland,[33] which is a part of the endocrine system."
ReplyDeleteIf these things are linkable tot he endocrine system, that is another reason not to mess with them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra
It would also be a basis for critiqueing the whole white light and pure land and what not buddhism and new age as just another chemical reaction, in the case of parasamadhi which is permanent would be lethal, in response to direction of the energy and thereby nerve and endocrine system to produce some chemicals in the brain, and nothing "spiritual" at all.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteI’m really trying to follow your argument. I’m glad you clarified that the soul is immaterial. And, as I understand you, “chakras” are also immaterial.
You wrote:
the entire soul is associated with the entire body. the interfaces where the soul seems to operate through to the body, which is itself apparently the outer shell of the soul, are the energy points at issue. The accupuncture points have been called "lesser chakras." these are points where the physical and material overlap for lack of a better word.
Correct me if I’m wrong in any and/or all of the following. In your last sentence above, I’m pretty sure you meant “physical and IMmaterial overlap.” With that in mind – and, again, correct me if I’m wrong – I understand you to be stating that the (immaterial) soul is intrinsically related to the entire physical (material) human body. Assuming so, the latter part of your second sentence is claiming that the body is the “outer shell of the soul.” Then, in your argument, the “soul operates through the body” through “energy points.” Is this correct?
You later mentioned the “etheric body,” which I understand you to mean an immaterial ‘body’ – a subset of the soul, the “interface” noted above – containing these “chakras.” If I am understanding you correctly, then the way I construe all this is that “chakras” are in inherent part of the soul, and these “chakras” are “energy points” as part of a larger “etheric body,” aka “energy body,” which, as part of the soul, interface with the material body.
Is this all correct?
physical and material should be immaterial, yes, a typo, did a few of those but this is the first that changed the meaning.
ReplyDeleteyes, that last paragraph is pretty much what I have put together from what is common in the chaos of reports.
Apparently some people can totally rewire their energy system, given that this is coming from people of the indigo persuasion some with reiki involvement, I suspect this is another case of Not A Good Idea.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteSimplifying the above:
The immaterial soul > contains an immaterial “etheric body” (“electric body”) > which interfaces with the physical (material) body through its “chakras,” which are specifically located within the human body.
Does this represent your position?
I think the soul operates through the body more diffusely in terms of doing things like thinking, talking, walking, etc., but there is something about the maintenance of the body keeping it alive and maybe states of mind that have to do with the chakras.
ReplyDeleteIt is possible to feel so intensely that you have physical pleasure or physical pain from strictly psychological conditions. Quite a roller coaster. Perhaps this excessive emotionality has to do with some kind of derangement of the energy system. One may feel more alive "and really touch the sky" as the song says, but the downside well, that high isn't worth the crash. no drugs involved.
She's a troll. Christine is an internet troll who has devalued Constance's blog. She should have been blocked a very long time ago. Her position is irrelevant. Her goal is to troll.
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you guys started this subject and wouldn't let it drop but then neither did I.
ReplyDeleteChristine,
ReplyDeleteSo that I fully understand your position, are humans trichotomous, i.e. having body, soul, and spirit? More to the point, how many parts are there to a human, and what are those parts?
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ReplyDeletewell, yeah, I'd go trichotomous (rhymes with hippopotamus) after all The Bible limits it to that. the multiplicity of etheric, astral, mental, buddhic, atmic, maybe others that theosophy gives are ridiculous. I'd call the point where the "astral" or "etheric" body or soul actually merges to the physical to be etheric, but the problem is, that like the physical body with its parts being a continuum, the soul and body and spirit are also a continuum, so the entire human is, well, there are separate parts, but where one leaves off and the other begins can be a problem.
ReplyDeleteugly ugly troll, total fraud, hired witch, great deceiver
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ReplyDeleteSing it with me now.....!!!!
The Egyptians believes in several souls and the ba was identified with the heart, while the ka is more like what we'd call the soul.
ReplyDeleteI saw a program about heart transplants. The doctor said that those who'd seen the old heart taken out, and struggling to live, were impressed by this, and (this happens with kidneys also) people with heart transplants develop the tastes and some personality of the donor. This fades over seven years, the time in which cells are replaced throughout the body.
Apparently the heart gets wired to respond in habit to the likes of the owner, and then will give response that triggers a feedback of liking when the person it is in sees certain things.
this can result in changes of taste in food, what is considered beautiful in the opposite sex, activities and hobbies, etc. Some kind of neuro plexus almost like a second brain apparently exists in the heart, and the Egyptians somehow figured this out, and called it a kind of soul, the ba.
ReplyDeleteTrolls often use different names and use aliases, like AKA
Please don't feed the trolls, make your own blog and then invite Justina to join YOU. This way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu2B-IzwVUI
"Please Don't Feed The Trolls: Block Justina the Troll".
Justina isn't an AKA to deceive, I often pair it with Christine it is my baptismal name in Eastern Orthodoxy. I took the name of a saint who drove away demons and spells sent at her and the sorceror became a Christian and both became martyrs.
ReplyDeleteChristine,
ReplyDeleteNow that I understand what you mean, and you’ve at least made your position clearer, I will say that I think you are on very dangerous ground assuming humans have an etheric body, which, in turn contain chakras. This is certainly found in Hinduism and Theosophy; but, you won’t find any legitimate Christian source to affirm this doctrine. While one can speculate about things on which Scripture is not explicit, I think it dangerous to adopt terms common with Eastern religions, the occult, and other esoteric literature.
http://www.philosophybasics.com/movements_aristotelianism.html
ReplyDeletehttp://www.scandalon.co.uk/philosophy/aristotle_body_soul.htm
Justina is a troll from that camp.
its not a "doctrine" it has no relevance to any Christology or other disputes. the etheric body is or is part of the soul, which The Bible says exists, so there. As for its structure, it is one of those things we get exactly (as far as I can tell) one hint about, because it is not important.
ReplyDeleteThere is a "doctrine" afoot that there was something called the Chinese empire about the time of the Romans, but you won't find it supported in Scripture because it wasn't a Middle Eastern presence. you can deduce its ancestry from the Table of Nations but you have to know it exists before you look for it, because there is nothing that resembles it there. Once Ham and Shem are accounted for, Japheth is left as ancestors of europeans and mongols and chinese etc.
energy vortices aka chakras are another example. They aren't important.
Etheric body? As seen in kirlian photography, a complete nonsense?
ReplyDeleteMerry Christmas one and all on here.
ReplyDeleteLet us pray for all the Christians being butchered, chased, tortured and harassed the world over, by Muslims and atheist governments alike.
And let us ignore the maddening quasi-religious fusion gibberish pumped out on this blog by people with two names.
"Darwin repented on his deathbed although not publicly."
ReplyDeleteNo he didn't, 2.13pm. Right or wrong he didn't. This is an urban myth. Kindly cite a primary source. A website saying he did is no use; there are dozens of those, and they all got it from someone who wasn't there or told be anybody who was.
He absolutely did. The evidence is outstanding. The witness (messenger has been shot, typical response) but she was highly credible. They will continue to suppress it.
ReplyDeleteDarwinism is a failed theory. Animals and humans adapt, short term adaptation is NOT long term linear never ending evolution.
Plato also said like Tim Leary, and every other alien, channeling, soothsayer including Bacon claim we will evolve into some higher intelligence and conscientious and live in outer space with the aliens (fallen angels). It will not happen as with Egypt each time these freaks get close, mass murder, utopian hell total collapse is near.
Darwin was simply using Hindu + the official class enforcing church of England + racism + fake science to deceive the people.
Again we are moving into the fake science of global warming, genome = you class is in your genes and the good brain bad brain bull crap of the Darwinist eugenics plan now in the Cold Springs Harbor BRAIN Initiative that both Obama and Glenn Beck seem to be promoting. JUST like Hitler who was a DARWINIST.
BURNS don't it. You chicken shit face your reality. Darwin repented, he knew damn well he was messing with God, and he repented, you better wake up.
GOD will NOT be mocked.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteI’ve not used the term doctrine in an unusual sense:
1. a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government
2. something that is taught; teachings collectively
3. a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject
This doctrine is a central aspect of Hinduism and Theosophy. You’ve applied this doctrine to Christianity – erroneously, in the view of myself and others here. Since I’ve used some quotes from Alice Bailey’s Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle (New York, NY: Lucis Publishing, 1950) in an article I wrote a while back (pointing out how a particular teaching by Bill Johnson is not incongruent with this doctrine), I can quickly provide two:
…Omnipresence has its basis in the substance of the universe, and in what the scientists call the ether; this word “ether” is a generic term covering the ocean of energies which are all inter-related and which constitute that one synthetic energy body of our planet (p 2)
It is a fact that omnipresence, which is a law in nature and based on the fact that the etheric bodies of all forms constitute the world etheric body, makes omniscience possible. The etheric body of the planetary Logos is swept into activity by His directed will; energy is the result of His thoughtform playing in and through His energy body (p 7)
You may assert that your version of the etheric body is strictly individualized per person and does not constitute a larger, unified etheric body, but I have to wonder why you’d adopt a word that is specifically used in Eastern religions / the occult, with your definition such that it encompasses a portion of the full definition of the other. Essentially, your definition is a subset of Theosophy’s. I must question why you would do so, especially when this doctrine is not at all expressed in Scripture, and this term itself is nowhere found in the Bible. Clearly, you’ve taken the term from Hinduism/Theosophy. Why?
Craig, terms don't matter, why not bitch about the pagan gods the days of the week are named after? or other terms in use from pagan times?
ReplyDeletethe individual etheric body being individualized is the picture everywhere, the idea of a universal energy field, is distinct from that. supposedly the etheric body gets its life from that, I doubt it. If such a field exists, it is not God merely another creature of His. it shows no signs of sentience in what is written about it by people like philosophical alchemists who get "beyond" chemistry, bleh.
Frankly I think the idea of contemplating "unity" is to CREATE A UNITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST making all kinds of links that are usable by demons and sender telepaths to influence the weak minds in the artificial field.
This is the goal of New Age meditation. I read years ago on some satanist page, advice from one to another, that the blurred out state (I don't remember his words just the ideas) is to be encouraged in others, but not practiced by the predator who can use them or affect them better if they are in that state.
New Age wants us to contemplate ourselves as one with all? Let's try contemplating ourselves as separate from all.
There is nothing new about the idea of individualized etheric body. The idea of the aether way precedes New Age as part of a physics theory now being revived as "electric universe" and the "ether" in that case would be more accurately called a plasma.
The term etheric body describes its paraphysical nature, not a philosophy about it. Whatever it is that has your shape and you experience as your body when you leave your body, on purpose, or yanked out by a demon, or in a near death state.
As for kirlian photography, while it is possible to affect outcome by pressure or dampness, and there are more than one systems not all equally good, you can't explain away things like a leaf, part cut off, showing the cut off part still on it in the kirlian shot taken after the cut off.
or this: a kirlian shot of fingertips before being fed on by an energy feeder type living vampire, and after. The second photo shows damage, gaps in the "aura," which were not there before.
Kirlian photography shows (among other things) an electrical effect of the etheric body on the physical body. And sometimes vice versa. Plants raised on one kind of food and those same kinds raised on others like better mineralized soil for instance, show differences. Whatever the kirlian photo is showing, it reflects something about the condition of the subject photographed.
I recall when I was a child, and was in a new environment, and started getting out of the sunk in myself blur and feeling alive and looking at everything around me like wow, my biological mother was enraged and said she could feel a wall going up between us. yep, she was a vampire. of the worst sort.
This shit is real. I know because I've been victimized by it. Everything I came to know about what was going on, I learned years, decades after the events I didn't forget, so I was not pre primed.
Dear 8.29pm,
ReplyDeleteIn my assertion that Darwin did not in fact "repent" of evolution on his deathbed at 6.19pm I deliberately did not discuss whether evolution was true or not. I do not wish to do so here. But you did not provide any evidence in your response that he repented; you simply shouted louder, saying that the evidence was "outstanding" - but then failed to provide any of it. Kindly do so or retract.
"There is nothing new about the idea of individualized etheric body. The idea of the aether way precedes New Age as part of a physics theory now being revived as "electric universe" and the "ether" in that case would be more accurately called a plasma."
ReplyDeleteChristine, the "electric universe" theory is based on the fact that electromagnetic forces between particles having both charge and mass are much stronger than gravitational forces between them (both fall off with the distance between the particles according to the inverse square law), so that emag is dominant. That is true at small scales - it explains why we don't fall through the floor, for instance (emag repulsion between electrons in the atoms of our feet and atoms in the floor). BUT gravity is always attractive, whereas emag forces may be attractive or repulsive according to whether the charges are of opposite polarity or the same. If you believe that the universe is overall neutral on large scales then emag forces cancel out and gravity is dominant. If you don't believe that, there is room for some speculation and that is the reputable end of the "electric universe" scenario. Unfortunately it has been hijacked by all sorts of people who wouldn't even be able to recognise Maxwell's AETHER-FREE equations of electromagnetism (as verified to the limits of technology by experiment, to better than one part in a billion), let alone solve them in even simple cases. Here are some of the concerns:
http://neutrinodreaming.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/electric-universe-theory-debunked.html
http://dealingwithcreationisminastronomy.blogspot.co.uk/p/challenges-for-electric-universe.html
As for Kirlian photography, there are elementary alternative explanations for the anomalies you mention.
Physicist
anon 8:29 and 3:53, Darwin's repentance is highly unlikely.
ReplyDeletehttps://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/darwins-deathbed-conversion-a-legend/
this is a good creationist site, and they give several good arguments against this story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cotton,_Lady_Hope
discusses the story and the woman who told this, there are problems about her in general. In the footnotes is " Moore repeated this assessment in Darwin – A 'Devil's Chaplain'? (2005). Paul Marston provides a different analysis but generally supports the same conclusion, drawing attention to discrepancies between the 1915 article and Lady Hope's later letter, which more plausibly has Darwin lying on a sofa rather than being in bed and does not include the suggestion that Darwin was "always studying" the Bible."
Physicist, there is no reason that both electric universe and standard theories aren't both correct, just both inadequate on their own.
ReplyDeleteelectric universe theory predicted the discharge reported when a probe landed on an asteroid. And other things.
The ability for a theory to correctly predict something, is how a theory gains credibility. The career issues of scientists and political issues play a role in acceptance and rejection, and most of our present accepted ideas were severely combated at one point.
"electric universe theory predicted the discharge reported when a probe landed on an asteroid."
ReplyDeleteI don't doubt that this was correctly predicted. The trouble is that the phrase "electric universe" is used very widely and encompasses (1) things that scientists understand well, (2) interesting speculations at the borders of knowledge, and (3) total nonsense.
Physicist
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject this will give you something to think about.
ReplyDeletegranted this group is hardly Christian but Isaac Newton was an Arian to the horror of those who went through his papers.
The thunderbolts of the gods idea is that certain designs you find, and which are duplicated in some plasma fields, were seen during some plasmic catastrophe by ancient people and hence some petroglyphs and symbols from more civilized places. IGNORE WHAT IS PAGAN AND LOOK AT FACTS.
The sun and the moon were worshipped by pagans, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
The Babylonians had false religion reasons for keeping track of planets and stars, that doesn't make their observations wrong.
for something more relevant to the season, http://www.herescope.blogspot.com/2014/12/good-tidings.html
Christine,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote: Craig, terms don't matter, why not bitch about the pagan gods the days of the week are named after? or other terms in use from pagan times?
First of all, it’s unnecessary to use any expletives – no matter how ‘minor’ you may deem them to be. The word complain would have worked just as well in your context. You profess to be Christian, yet use profanity, not just as a slip of the tongue, but by consciously typing them out (time and again) and posting them for all to see. You are setting a very poor example. It’s no wonder those of the world call Christians hypocrites.
Having said that, I’ll just assume you were speaking generally – giving you the benefit of the doubt – and not individually, i.e. that you were not singling me out as a “complainer” in regards to my position on your use of etheric body and electric body. No matter the case, it was unnecessarily rude of you.
Now to your point about the days of the week being named after pagan gods: Christians did not name them, they were named by pagans; and, as part of the larger society in which we live, these terms were forced upon us. Of course, to Christians these mean nothing. Today, being named Friday, merely denotes the 5th day of the week – to those of us who view Sunday as the last. But, my point here is that we did not name the days of the week; pagans did. You, on the other hand, volitionally chose to use pagan terms, “Christianizing” them to the extent of even importing a part of the pagan/esoteric meaning of these very terms.
I’d say your practice here is covered by Paul’s instructions regarding the eating of meat sacrificed to idols in 1st Corinthians 8:
4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” 5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
7 However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. 9 But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol's temple, will he not be encouraged, if his conscience is weak, to eat food offered to idols? 11 And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died. 12 Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
So, on the contrary, terms DO matter. If one were to read this page without any sort of refutation against your assertions, or if you were to witness to a Hindu or Theosophist using etheric body, electric body, and chakras, it could lead to confusion, with the reader of this page and/or the practicing Hindu and Theosophist thinking their understanding of these terms are wholly congruent with Christianity. Given that, by your own admission, you deem that these doctrines of yours “aren’t important,” then why not just abandon them – especially since you are the lone proponent of such a doctrine within a Christian setting?
Fine, use the concept already in play by a very few, vortices. as for electric body, the only reason Theosophy used that was because electricity was all the rage in those days as something mysticially significant.
ReplyDeletethe term ether or aether way predates Theosophy they just took it up.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ether
"The classical element Aether of Platonic and Aristotlean physics continued in Victorian scientific proposals of a Luminiferous ether as well as the cognate chemical substance ether." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etheric_body
they took this concept and applied it to what they were talking about. basically, they hijacked the concept of the soul to the service of theosophy.
The concept of the aether goes back to the pagan philosophers, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(classical_element)
and was in play in Victorian scientific speculations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether
the term itself is of as respectable an origin as any political theories like democracy or monarchy all of them going back to pagan times.
definitions for etherial or ethereal can be found on google, which of course are the sort of fine material you can't sense that is being talked about regarding the etheric body.
Do you prefer soul body or something? I am sure a biblical sounding equivalent can be concocted. Maybe even use some Hebrew instead of Greek words as the basis for it, the Greek and Latin already being in play in the term you don't like.
"I deliberately did not discuss whether evolution was true or not."
ReplyDeleteAs a way to deceive yourself into thinking you have some sort of control over the conversation (a main obsession for Darwinists) and because Darwinism is a religion of the pathetic elite who desire noting more than to justify why they are 'on top' or seem to be 'the fittest' although steeped in Lucifarian thinking.
The source of Darwin's deathbed recant is well known, easily obtained and I am certainly not going to do your homework. As well since you 'believe' in Darwinisn you will, at all costs including refuse to believe any evidence that Darwin repented OR that Darwinism is a failure. His worse failure was the foundational work in 'intelligence'.
http://www.intelltheory.com/intelmap.pdf
ReplyDeleteAnd there Darwin is. Today we all get to send our little ones to schools for the revolution where they check in to a Howard Gardner i-pad which categorizes them into a 21st century work force, that exactly matches a HINDU caste system.
anon 10:44 pontificated, "Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"I deliberately did not discuss whether evolution was true or not."
As a way to deceive yourself into thinking you have some sort of control over the conversation (a main obsession for Darwinists) and because Darwinism is a religion of the pathetic elite who desire noting more than to justify why they are 'on top' or seem to be 'the fittest' although steeped in Lucifarian thinking."
I think you are falsely accusing the person, there is nothing consistent with the remark and what you ascribe, it is merely making clear, that these are two totally separate issues, whether evolution is true or not, and whether Darwin recanted or not. I think you have a pride problem yourself.
Interesting how people who think something said shows something, the ones here who do it, don't have a clue about human motivations and reactions, just spew silly prefab ideas that might fit a few but generally don't fit. Especially when someone has been patient with nonsense for a long time, and the patience is wearing thin.
I did the research, and the story is false. The story is well known, originating from a woman with a penchent for story telling and fantasy which I guess made her a good preacher of sorts, but not reliable. Darwin's wife who didn't like his religious attitude denied the woman ever visited him, and there were two versions of the story in conflict with each other and the summer buildling (a gazebo?) could not hold 30 people.
I posted the links above.
What matters if he recanted? Darwin's crap is crap whether he recanted or not. Darwin repenting doesn't add one thing to the argument in itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcWfAwp_uSk
ReplyDeleteDarwinism: the only religion that needed a bull dog to enforce it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Huxley
And the puppies gave us unesco, commie core, data mining and the brave new hell-of-uh-digital world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32oo0oyLUdE
ReplyDeleteAbove video A. Huxley slobbers and gets all warm over a symbol of a Hindu demon. Like I said, they were all Hindu.
so back to the beginning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dqbfB7MO60
Darwinism is Hinduism disguised as 'science'
Dear 6.49pm
ReplyDeleteWhat absolute nonsense. Darwinism, whether right or wrong, is totally secular. Hinduism is packed with deities as the explanation for the way human life is. If you wish to criticise Darwinism, kindly demonstrate first that you have a basic grasp of what it is.
there is an evolutionary angle in Hinduism, but it is not so obvious as in Darwin.
ReplyDeleteif Hinduism hadn't been on their radar, Huxley would have found some other false god to drool over.
I think the Hindu affinity has less to do with Darwinism, which is more about the physical while Hinduism is about the "spiritual," than with anything-but-Christianity sort of attitude.
There is an underlying affinity what with the equation of Hinduism with Indian culture, comparable to Christianity connection to western culture as the latter's driver to some extent, and India having an ancient period of hyper development in science.
Christine:
ReplyDelete"chakras", "bi-location", UFO's, etc., etc. Christine, I fear you are harboring some New Age notions under your particular view of "science" or as the Apostle Paul would have put it, "Science, SO CALLED"!
Hidden dangers of the rainbow, Christine. Don't let them jump out and bit you.
Constance
new age takes events too well reported to be false, and uses them to support a picture they don't support.
ReplyDeleteAs I said years ago on the phone to you, astral projection does not support reincarnation. There is no logical connection between the two.
In the 1800s they were doing the exact same thing with the newly emerging science of electromagnetics, and today they do something similar with quantum theory. Just because they use them doesn't make them false, just irrelevant to the New Age world view.
like I said, contemplate yourself as SEPARATE from the universe instead of one with it, to undermine the mindlinks they want to set up and exploit.
Meanwhile, there is some vague correlation between chakras or lets call them vortices, and the endocrine system.
Vortices of what material, Christine? What causes them to whirl?
ReplyDeletesoul material and I don't know. now complain that the soul has never been identified on PET CAT or MRI scans.
ReplyDeletenow let's get back to the original point of Constance's blog post that this comments section relates to. (someone started this argument with me falsely accusing me of preaching hinduism and demanding I repent. Clearly they don't even know what hinduism is, it is not about energy centers that is a minor element and has no logical connection to any theology, then the argument continued to this comments section from the last one.)
ReplyDeletehttp://shoebat.com/2014/05/17/coming-slaughter-christians-will-done-hindu-savages/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2009/10/militant-hinduism/
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/just-faith/?p=1108 "“On the one hand, Hindu nationalist organisations have transferred their online activities mainly to the US, where the Indian diaspora is 3.2 million strong and constitute therefore a prime example of long-distance transnationalist nationalism,” " oops, are we going to face trouble from these people here as well as muslims?
the jihad in USA is being whitewashed, repeatedly violent events that are by muslims usually yelling the muslim slogan get written up without mention of islam. A man beheaded a woman at work and almost killed another while yelling the muslim slogan and this got written up as "workplace violence."
What is "soul material" Christine?
ReplyDeletewhatever the soul consists of.
ReplyDeleteChristine, with the physical body it is possible to investigate the material it is made of systematically. Not so the soul. What you are actually doing is speculating. Nothing wrong with that provided you say that you are doing so. But you don't; you make these speculative assertions as if they are absolute truth. I am not going to suggest what causes you to, but please either stop it or accept and admit that you are speculating.
ReplyDelete1. Ecclesiastes points to something like this existing. 2. people have OBSERVED this existing and reported it, near death experiences, deliberate bilocation, some with an ability to see the usually unseen.
ReplyDeleteThis is more than speculation. It is also experience. When I was very young, I was loosely attached to my body and would go about and see things and comment later, surprising my biological so called mother because I had not been there (to her normal sight) when they happened.
when I almost died, I was halfway out of my body through the top of my head, my sense of self was totally my astral body so I thought it odd the doctors working on my arm were by my legs. Because I couldn't see my physical body so much and was partly in some parallel world or something, they were more distant also than they should have been and I wasn't like really in the operating room it is hard to explain. I saw Jesus or someone with a beard and white robe in that operating room, it was slatey darkness around me, the only light farther down where the doctors were, the operating room light. I think I was stopped from leaving my body.
many years later, for the first time, I read about all this stuff, and I recognized what had been going on.
And I read that when you die you are likely to go out the top of your head. Which is what I had done.
So this is beyond speculation. This is experience, mine and others, and some Bible validation.
Those systems that mention "chakras" must have derived their information from someone with intense paranormal sight, many generations back, then tweaked the data a lot to fit their theological ideas like assigning deities and mantras to each chakra.
Also the number and location were off track after a few hundred years.
I really hardly think about this stuff most of the time. you people seem obsessed about it.
You are right 7:13 PM.
ReplyDeleteThat is why I have easily dismissed her posts. She appears to have zero humility and pride is the most blinding thing of all....and why she talks down to the rest of us. She thinks herself the authority on everything but is in bible matters it is the worst.
Private revelation then, Christine? And a large number of anecdotal stories which largely contradict each other in their details.
ReplyDeleteSpeculation, as I said.
So with Huxley's book "evolutionary humanism" we can clearly see Darwinism as a mechanism of incrementalism. The Huxley's are the quarterbacks picking up the football of 'everyone is a species' and hey some pigs are better than others. The Huxley's expose the plot that drives humanism into the culture like only bulldogs can, with force and layers if crap. All of which is completely in sync with Lucifer's job which is to twist God's word with lies and deceit, accuse (hey my genes are better than yours) and murder. All this humanism leads to transhumanism which is eugenics, yes Huxley renamed it since eugenics exposed it's true murderous nature in Hitler's Germany.
ReplyDeleteThat DNA it's is your genes thing invented by none other than Cold Springs Harbor, the Rockyfella eugenics lab in NY. Hey what are those guys up to now? Oh yes their boy is in charge of Obama's Brain Initiative. So if your 'class' can be seen in your brain then we should do a few MRI's to see who has a bad brain and who has a good brain.
Oh yes, it's coming.
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The book "New Bottles for New Wine" by Julian Huxley, 1957, contains a collection of his essays beginning with "Transhumanism"[1] and ending with "Evolutionary Humanism". In the latter essay, Huxley called for a new religion compatible with science.
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LOL of course he did...LOL
10:26 Thank you for the Huxley information.
ReplyDeleteThe link given on the Microeffect show regarding Occupy and Nursing Homes was also valuable. Given that shock articles are used to soften the blow of active euthanasia, it is important. I have seen shock articles used to soften the blow of the real thing, making it seem acceptable. Then a reader might say to themselves sure glad they didn't go that far.
Dear 10.26am,
ReplyDeleteDo you even know that you have referred to three Huxleys who are not the same when discussing evolution?
Genes exist and can cause mutations that may or may not enhance survival in a particular environment.
Whether that implies the neo-Darwinian synthesis of genetic heritance and natural selection are scientific issues. So far all you have provided are empty and angry polemics.
anon 7:56, macro evolution (reptiles becoming mammals and apes becoming humans) has never been proven, and
ReplyDeletemicro evolution, which is what you are talking about, is obvious, sometimes done by deliberate selective breeding.
I don't agree with what you say at 8.09pm Christine; it is really a discussion about the nature of evidence, but I don't wish to discuss it with you here.
ReplyDeleteDarwinists always refuse to accept that Huxley, Darwin's bulldog is the reason why evolution had any staying power and if you ask them (as I often do) if we burn all the Bibles and you were given the task of choosing the state values what would you choose? They ALWAYS say the SAME thing. They want the Golden Rule, and I shake my head because I want Jesus too. Throwing out the Bible throws out that Golden Rule and if you think the Golden Rule is found in Darwin and Huxley you are mistaken.
ReplyDeleteMatthew 39"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
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Unfortunately science is also a tool for social change, economic control, genocide, spiritual change, pantheism, and more deviant things such as eugenics.
As you can read the Darwinist is unable to accept this, by doing so he admits there are satanists and 'evil' people who conspire against other people and he can't be sure what is plain science and math vs invented theory. It also distracts from his personal sense of superior intelligence and education. Much of his self esteem is wrapped up in believing Christians are stupid and he has a higher evolved brain.
Any suggestion that the universities and evolution is a scam or plot makes him feel like a sucker or pushes him to accept those people he thought were on his team actually dislike him as much as they dislike Christians.
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Matthew 22:39
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/27/pope-francis-edict-climate-change-us-rightwing
ReplyDeleteThis is extremely dangerous. Scarcity of resources is a Marxist tactic. Global warming (other than Fabianism and global 'political climate change" is another scientific hoax. The recent reports that brains that believe lies are bad and damaged brains makes me question, what is the lie that will cause one to be labeled with a bad brain? With the National Science Foundation patrolling twitter for
http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-creating-database-to-track-hate-speech-on-twitter/
and the WH videos:
http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-creating-database-to-track-hate-speech-on-twitter/
They can't read a brains thoughts but that won't stop them from trying to convince you they are looking a mri not your internet comments.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15744871
So now with Pope Francis on board, how long before denier becomes liar liar ...off to the eugenics camp with you for not believing in global warming.
Dear 11.01am,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your intensely closely reasoned and scientifically detailed debunking of Darwinism at 11.01am above.
TH Huxley (not Aldous Huxley or Julian Huxley, please be clear which you mean as the works of all three have been mentioned) was simply a publicist of Darwin's theory. Darwin was a retiring personality, Huxley a combative one. He did not add to it. And in Germany Huxley had no influence at all; others made Darwinism well known there. I'm afraid that you are factually inaccurate.
When you say be clear you mean frame the argument your way.
ReplyDeleteNo.
Darwinism is part of a plot to create a global caste society, period.
Cling to your beliefs, because it certainly would cause great anxiety for you otherwise. Like I said, Darwinism and the subsequent byproducts are very religious indeed and require much faith baaed on ideas that 'make sense' to the believer. There are a few facts thrown in like -people do adapt, but the best way to tell a lie is to throw in some truths. It makes sense that things are on some never ending linear evolution but the fact is things adapt usually in cycles and all good things come to an end. Even the current power holders will eventually lose their high positions.
Maybe we can accept dna testing for crime etc as fact, maybe it is a unique scientific fact but reading thoughts on a brain map: global warming: the state should decide which human specimen as Darwin suggested, and the eugenics it leads to is completely political and a plot for murder.
I expect soon people will be forced to regurgitate these political plots as facts, that's fascism.
which human specimen is allowed to breed--
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ReplyDeleteits accurate as per anglo american history of Darwinism.
"The most forceful and famous proponent of Darwinism in late nineteenthcentury
Germany was Ernst Haeckel, a professor of biology at the University
of Jena, who was converted to evolutionary theory by reading Darwin's
Origin. His Natiirliche Schopfungsgeschichte (1868, translated as The History
of Creation) appeared before Darwin's Descent and was the most influential
book on Darwinian theory published in Germany in the late nineteenth century.
It went through seven editions in its first eleven years and twelve editions
before World War I. Unlike Darwin in Origin, Haeckel did not hesitate to
discuss human evolution because he considered the animal ancestry of humanity
the most important aspect of evolutionary theory.34" http://archive.csustan.edu/history/Faculty/Weikart/Origins-of-Social-Darwinism-in-Germany.pdf
Haeckel may have had Huxsley giving him the hard sell routine on this, however:
"From 1866 to 1867, Haeckel made an extended journey to the Canary Islands with Hermann Fol and during this period, met with Charles Darwin, in 1866 at Down House in Kent, Thomas Huxley and Charles Lyell.[3]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel
so the Huxsley connection still exists, though I suspect Haeckel was predisposed in this direction.
"Haeckel's political beliefs were influenced by his affinity for the German Romantic movement coupled with his acceptance of a form of Lamarckism. Rather than being a strict Darwinian, Haeckel believed that racial characteristics were acquired through interactions with the environment and that ontogeny directly followed phylogeny. He believed the social sciences to be instances of "applied biology". Most of these arguments have been shown to be over-generalisations at best and flatly incorrect at worst in modern biology and social studies.[4] In 1905, Haeckel founded a group called the "Monist League" to promote his religious and political beliefs. This group lasted until 1933 and included such notable members as Wilhelm Ostwald, Georg von Arco, Helene Stöcker and Walter Arthur Berendsohn.[6]"
Dear 3.07pm,
ReplyDeleteHave you actually read Darwin's books Descent of Man and Origin of Species?
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/brave-new-world-platos-republic-and-our-scientific-regime
ReplyDeleteAlso my earlier post shows the line from Plato to Darwin and up to now.
So before Darwin was Plato.
Plato was a anti war hippy dippy lefty, loony, soothsayer just like Franny Bacon, and Chilton-Pearce. Pearce, the most quoted man in the -world core schools- book Heart Wings, he wrote 'A crack in the cosmic egg', which is required reading for the US Army finishing school. He hung with Carl Jung's kids and the Jesuits doing the blue light meditation. Pearce also claims to have been knocked into outer space by god. He learned we are all here 'to play', not far from 'do what thou wilt' by Crowley. So Pearce also wrote Magical Child and other occult themed books. Pearce wanted all kids in Waldorf schools doing HeartMath. We are there, common core is just world core and the heartmath has been already funded by the US dept of ed. This is just bombarding the brain with radio waves, in the name of stress release, rather it's just artificial transcendental meditation, a spiritual action, has not a thing to do with education. It's eastern religion in schools.
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I'm inclined to think that the scientific dictatorships of the future, Aldous Huxley
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Naturally, A.H. since your family is behind this plot, you have advanced knowledge.
I am looking at the book now, shall we discuss the finches or his mocking God?
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In either case the plot has progressed greatly and Darwin was just a stepping stone. Let's talk about Tim Leary and Howard Gardner. The 'intelligence' thing is complete and Huxley's desire for outcomes based education is fulfilled.
I have both books out I meant and shall you admit ti the true title of the second?
ReplyDeleteOn the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
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uh huh and he did marry his cousin
Page 144 paperback DOM quotes Huxley and cites an 1865 article by him.
ReplyDeleteyawn
To the one who criticises Darwinism using rhetoric but without making any scientific points: It was Wallace who worked out the idea parallel with Darwin but with less of the scientific evidence. If you have a pathological hatred of the Huxley family then that is a personal issue and profoundly boring to Constance's regulars.
ReplyDeleteperhaps instead of a pathological hatred of the Huxley family, resulting in hostility to all they said
ReplyDeleteand wrote and did, you have it backwards.
Consider maybe this is hatred of them based on what they said, wrote and did.
4:57
ReplyDeleteAttempts to be the only owner of what is a scientific fact.
Attempting to label someone who disagrees with Darwinism a 'mentally ill pathological' person.
Unable to prove Darwinism so tries to force people to agree with the preface and then argue their way back.
Claims that Constance and her 'regulars' own the conversation and arguments. (peer pressure)
yawn.
Do let me know when you decide to prove Darwinism.
and Justine the troll tries to call me names as well...shocking.
ReplyDeleteyawn.
Exposing the truth must really bother Lucifer, I suppose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hater_%28Internet%29
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rightsofwriters.com/2011/01/can-you-be-sued-for-libeling-dead-john.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred
ReplyDeletefascinating, the plots are exposed:
Neurological research
The neural correlates of hate have been investigated with an fMRI procedure. In this experiment, people had their brains scanned while viewing pictures of people they hated. The results showed increased activity in the middle frontal gyrus, right putamen, bilaterally in the premotor cortex, in the frontal pole, and bilaterally in the medial insular cortex of the human brain.[3]
Thanks for the missing links guys!
Dear 5.07pm,
ReplyDeleteYou clearly do not want a scientific discussion about Darwinism. Ad hominem arguments and rhetorical scorn do not count as scientific proof or disproof. Go on, take a potshot at it - if you are able.
I already won the argument. You did the ad hominem attack. And you exposed that you were fully aware of the MRI scam as it pertained to attacking Christians.
ReplyDeletethanks, Constance has trolls, she is a truth teller.
By the way chapter 7 in Darwin's Decent of Man qualifies as hate speech.
ReplyDeleteHindu Aka Gnostic
ReplyDeleteThere hovers a witch who would practice
Spellbinding to convince folk of Chakras,
She tries to achieve, lies and hopes to deceive,
Hear her swear without care: so tactless!
She tries to apply gnostic theses,
Twisting Scripture through vain eisegesis,
She implies Holy Writ was first penned in Sanskrit with her Hindu concepts as her basis!
Her aim is to cause folk to bicker,
o'er her 'aether', vampires and wicca,
with ufos, men on Mars,
and Nibiru: her lies
show her spiritual state's getting sicker!
She refuses correction in anger,
As folks warn her and others of danger,
Humility wounds her pride,
Her intentions she'd hide,
Yet the light of truth will expose her!
Hate speech = Free speech. I don't agree with Darwin about race either but I support his right to be publicly wrong. We can always explain publicly why he's wrong and show him up, can't we? Except that you seem to be incapable of doing so.
ReplyDelete"We can always explain publicly why he's wrong and show him up, can't we? Except that you seem to be incapable of doing so."
ReplyDeletelet's try this. Darwin jumped to conclusions, based on observed MICROevolution to posit MACROevolution. These are very different things. The former is well established. Goes on all the time. Sloppy thinking evolutionists now point to it as "proof" of the latter, which in fact has no proof, and involves changes too radical from unlike to unlike, to support minor changes from one kind of like to another kind of like.
All the selective breeding the world never made the kind of changes MACROevolution posits, and should have by now.
meanwhile, some evolutionists have been voting with their feet, to misapply a metaphor. they jump ship from the Beagle so to speak, to land in punctuated equilibrium and saltation evolutionary theories, which have no possible mechanism but fairly scream for a Creator to do it.
genetic engineering COULD do MACRO evolution, but that would posit high tech human or human like presence before most of the animals in the fossil record existed, and going on through the fossil record time. Also would raise the question of who created them?
Clearly, these scientists know better than you or I, even if only a few have the guts to go for Intelligent Design and Creationism.
Methinks the hindu 'lady' doth protest too much!
ReplyDeleteShe vies to apply gnostic theses,
ReplyDeletetwisting Scripture through vain eisegesis,
She implies Holy Writ
was first penned in Sanskrit,
using Hindu concepts as her basis!
When confronted she ups the momentum,
ReplyDeleteif no facts back her horse she'll invent 'em!
Yet despite true reproof,
She remains a mule stubbornly aloof,
And in her arrogant hubris: unrepentant!
anon poet, I am not an evolutionist. Haven't been for years. I think you are in love with yourself and your status as a rebuker (a rather hollow and biblically ignorant one at that, probably dependent on expositors and prophecy conferences and such nonsense rather than the Word Of God).
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ReplyDeleteI think it a shame that you do not see need to moderate yourself and refrain from constant dogging every subject here. You cloud more knowledge than you ever uncover. Why? Your approach, if you carry on this way in your life, must greatly strain or ruin your relationships because who is up for something this relentless under their roof?
Every one of us has their issues but honestly, this is deep-seated Christine. But Jesus will help you if you will humble yourself and ask Him. Seriously. Think that out and go to Him and see if the shoe fits. He hears the prayers of the repentant. (and start off the new year right, right?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryHSj7RTOuw
ReplyDeleteJulian Huxley Eugenics question posed during GGWS debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP5wzYjTcOw
Julian Huxley & World Propaganda
ReplyDelete{Hindus are the only society in the world, who have no conflict of interest with the theory of Creation and as well as that of Evolution}
http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual-blogs/seekers/science-of-spirituality/hinduism-and-human-evolution
{Among the many people Darwin knew and who lived in India or were familiar with it, was the botanist Joseph Hooker, who had travelled extensively in the Himalayas and was one of his closest friends and supporters. But among his Indian informants one person stands - Edward Blyth, a self-trained zoologist who worked as the curator of the museum of the Royal Asiatic Society in Calcutta. While the Origin has three references to information from Blyth - on Indian cattle, on the wild asses of Kutch and on cross-bred geese - the Descent has around 40 references, ranging from the habits of Indian crows to the tendency of monkeys' beards to grow white as they age. Blyth was a colleague as much as a correspondent and Darwin acknowledged as much in the Origin, where he wrote appreciatively of "his large and varied stores of knowledge , I should value more than that of almost any one." More privately he described him as "a very clever, odd, wild fellow" . Blyth was all that, and his story is an interesting, if rather sad one, and indicative of the considerable hurdles that naturalists had to face then, and the enthusiasm for scientific inquiry that drove them on nonetheless.}
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/What-India-gave-Darwin/articleshow/5279041.cms
Hinduism the original Humanism
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=5482
Humanism and Hinduism
http://humanism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Lakhani-CaveHinduismandHumanism.pdf
"Hindus are the only society in the world, who have no conflict of interest with the theory of Creation"
ReplyDeleteThe opposite is the case. The Indian religions maintain that the universe always existed. The Judaeo-Christian view, in irreconcilable contrast, is that God created the universe (Genesis 1). Moreover, some 4000 years after God revealed this truth to Moses, scientists applied Einstein's work to the entire universe and (following two centuries in which science had had nothing to say about origins), they worked out the Big Bang theory, whose most fundamental assertion is... that the universe had a beginning. So, 4000 years after God told man, man works it out in his own strength. That is a pretty good apologetics argument for Biblical truth and against Hinduism.
If you want to get into mind-twisters, ponder the fact that God created not only space at the Big Bang but also time. He must have done, because time is not part of God and He created everything that is not Himself. This raises some points that humans find hard to understand, such as the fact that "What was God doing before he created the universe?" is a meaningless question. But it clears up other paradoxes, such as "Who created God, then?" - a question which assumes that God existed BEFORE the universe, and "before" is a time-word that is defined relative to the universe.
Physicist
I didn't 'say' anything. I posted the link that said that and placed it in brackets. I also posted other supporting links. Feel free to contact them if you desire.
ReplyDelete"But it clears up other paradoxes, such as "Who created God, then?" - a question which assumes that God existed BEFORE the universe, and "before" is a time-word that is defined relative to the universe."
ReplyDeleteI hope you are not implying that God came into existence when or just before creating the universe.
I realize "before" is a time word, but time began when God created it, so He had to have existed "before" time. in the category of eternity, outside of time.
But a sequence of events, first god exists, second, God creates, is another matter.
God has always existed, and the Name YHWH basically means Self Existent Creator. In the original buddhist terminology, He does not take His arising from anyone or anything but Himself. If you are ever dealing with a buddhist, this is an important point to make. Buddha rejected the idea of there being any God because all he had heard of and knew the mythology or religious literature about, took their arising from someone or something else. Reasoning that if there is a God He would have to not take His arising from anything or anyone, and not hearing of any such, Buddha was limited to his situation but shit canned all the "gods" and focussed on right living.
the Mahayana sects that grew up later, Tibetan being an example, went about including or constructing gods later, and derisively called the Theravada the hinayana or lesser vehicle, themselves being the greater vehicle they thought.
God always existed. no one made Him. the question of causation or sequence of causation ends with Him. or ends with "the beginning" when He created heaven and earth and all things in them, visible and invisible, corporeal and incorporeal.
Christine, I'm not suggesting "that God came into existence when or just before creating the universe". I'm saying that God's self-existence is something greater even than time itself. We probably agree, but it is very difficult to rid oneself of time-words in discussions of this sort and misunderstanding is dangerously easy. For example you talk about a "sequence" of events, and I would ask: a sequence ordered with respect to what? The only possible answer is time, which you were aiming to expunge from your exposition.
ReplyDeleteGod is so great that we find this aspect of his greatness very hard to understand. St Augustine of Hippo twigged that God created time (City of God XI, ch.6) but did not explore the ramifications very much.
Physicist
{I tend to believe that Hinduism is Humanism and that is what I have attempted to highlight in my book}
ReplyDeleteHinduism by Deepak Brandyopadhyay
https://books.google.com/books?id=xceTBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT10&dq=hinduism+and+humanism&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jOiiVNXxOsqfyAS14YGoAw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=hinduism%20and%20humanism&f=false
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Sorry, did I interrupt bad poetry hour? How cheeky of me.
12:36 I see your point.
ReplyDelete"For example you talk about a "sequence" of events, and I would ask: a sequence ordered with respect to what? The only possible answer is time, which you were aiming to expunge from your exposition."
ReplyDeleteyeah, it is hard to expunge it, that's why I said sequence, and yeah, misunderstanding is easy I think we are in agreement.
the universe had a beginning. before that beginning it didn't exist. there being no time you can't say it came into existence at some point in sequential time before time, but you can say it came into existence at some time before now.
before that time nothing existed, except God, Who has always existed.
It is possible He created the angels and a heavenly realm for them, but this also would be a creation. I recall something in Psalms probably about the angels singing praises when God created things, so they must have been around already, and not part of the process of creation that was all God's doing. Perhaps they were created at the same point as the heavens and the earth in the beginning, before things were formed out of this primeval mass of whatnot, and praised Him about that.
but before anything existed God existed without beginning and without end.
anon 1:06 I took a look at that, good point about many (and I would say highly incompatible) lines of thought or religion or whatever in India, such as Jain and others.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't think harmlessness and non violence and inclusiveness is necessarily a part of hinduism except the part you represent and may be ascendant at the moment.
After all, Gandhi had to deal with and persuasively suppress riots and so forth.
The Mahabharata is hardly a testimony to nonviolence, and the baghavad gita is a long winded lecture on why Arjuna should go ahead and kill in the fratricidal war, NOT because of the evils they had done, but because nothing and no one really exists, so no one kills or is killed so get to work and kill. (tilt, if there is nothing to kill and no one to do it, why do anything incl. killing? it is a good pep talk however, in modern terms an argument to drop the bomb.)
But the eradication of buddhism from the Indian subcontinent is itself a testimony to non inclusiveness.
How dare you anon 1:06 pm! :D Lol
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Ps, I do hope you're no Hindu, humanist or both, 1:06 pm, otherwise you may accept the said poem as one from which you and Aka should take note!
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I have been accused of being into cabalistic sacred nameism. I am not into that. Jesus' Name in English is Jesus and in Greek the language God chose to be the common tongue over all the Middle East not just coastally in those days, Iesous. The exact Hebrew pronunciation is so variable I have stopped trying to use it.
ReplyDeleteYHWH Self Existent Eternal Creator or something like that is God's proper name, and the first two letters are part of Jesus' Name in any language, however transliterated.
Here is an article I ran across, and it is worth passing on to those who are deceived by this stuff, which easily morphs into Torah keeping.
First, my comments on it which I put on my Facebook page when I posted it.
This article shows the diffuse origins of the Sacred Name movement. While Yahweh is a good enough pronunciation, they tend to butcher the Hebrew
or allegedly hebrew form of Jesus in a great many forms, one article
against this even mentioned input from a rabbi, that at least one of the
pronunciations of Jesus presented by these people, added up to a word
that blasphemously questions salvation.
But of particular interest to me, is that several of these sects began with
a UFO and/or entity appearance. one guy sees a light in the sky and heads
off to preach among other things, sabbath keeping. Another gets a tract
from an angel, teaching sabbath keeping. True Names gets introduced by
mysterious Czech, with the very unslavic sounding name of August Sheffick, who argues that the name Christ is pagan and "hated the word
Christ, as it was a profane excrement." Sounds like he was heavily demon
influenced. "Christ compels you" is part of exorcism.
A major player in this, Briggs, somehow got turned onto triple immersion
baptism, which is normative for all Orthodox churches incl. the heretical nestorian and monophysite ones, this having been established long before
the split. But he violated Christ's orders, in that he did not baptize in the Name (or variation thereof) of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit,
but "first in the name of the father, YAHVEH, second in the name of His Son YAHSHUA, and third in the name KADEESH, group name for the Heaven’s angels." ANGELS?! that is not The Holy Spirit.
So two out of three founders started with UFO/entity involvement and
focussed on sabbath keeping, from which it is easy to develop into full on
Judaizing (keeping the Torah ritual laws) and the one who gets into Holy
Names has help from a Christ hating Czech with an un Czech name.
http://www.plim.org/Sacred%20Names%20Article.html
Christine, perhaps that Vampire demon you'd attracted was due to you giving your mind over to aspects of a belief system (aka Hinduism) which has temples of human sacrifice to the demons Kali and Purusha and acts of purushamedha aka cannibalism!
ReplyDeleteYes, anon 1:06, demonic attacks are the likely result of dabbling in such false religion as Hinduism aka 'humanism'; you may in deception call it karma, I call it the result of a sinful rebellious nature and a refusal to truly seek Jesus Christ the only true way to life, the only true Lord and Savior!
See Romans 1: 18 - 32
A-non Poet
Romans 1:18-32
ReplyDelete18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
There once was a man from Bombay
ReplyDeleteHe worshiped the Shiva all day
The Brits formed an alliance
Called his religion a science
And Humanism was founded this way
There once was a man names Saul
Who saw Jesus and then became Paul
The Humanist finds it hard to swallow
But it’s Paul’s Gospel that I follow
And the Glory? Yes, God gets it ALL.
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Dear 2.54am,
ReplyDeleteMuch as I admire your expertise as a versifier, the fact is that the origins of secular humanism in Western culture lie in the Enlightenment movement, not in Hinduism. And it was France, not Britain, that led the West down that path.
anons 2:54 and 4:59 that is exactly correct, humanism is French Enlightenment stuff. So is anti monarchism and pro democracy, whether representative or mob rule style, allegedly based on Greek systems. The thing is, the Greeks only had democracy among the ruling class not everyone.
ReplyDeleteThere are many ways America is an Enlightenment product, but these trends in England and in America were mitigated by a Bible shaped mindset, though some forms of Christianity were heretical either expressly (Quaker) or in the view of each other.
a-non poet any spirit - or flesh and blood human - can function as a vampire, that is draw life force or whatever from you. The main evil vampire of this sort in my life was my biological so called mother (while very much alive) who also on at least two occasions got inside my head while I was a child, and made me do and say things I was puzzled at my doing and saying, while I was doing and saying them.
ReplyDeleteThe last time was so extreme, and so nearly exterminative of myself I never let it happen again. It took decades later for me to realize what she was due to some research I did for reasons unrelated to her.
Before I accepted Jesus Christ, digital watches wouldn't work right, they kept losing time and the battery was good. Same with her, but after I accepted Jesus Christ and was praying a lot and had faced her down on it, saying "Jesus is the Overlord" and she groaned and turned away, because I was saying He is REAL not a nice children's story and is BOSS, and I had probably prayed for her also, this peculiarity stopped, regarding me and her, digital watches no longer malfunctioned.
something was wrong which impacted the electronics. This is a known phenomenon with some people. I also realized there was a non hostile vampiric aspect to myself and put a lid on it and I think it is gone.
But I have experienced from another, also flesh and blood living human, not hostile just self preservative, who was trying to heal himself of a condition and drew on me from a distance so extremely it took me down to my knees with a blood pressure plunge, seems he would draw from the heart center. I taught him to feed from the periphery instead of dead center, less dangerous. Taught him some ethics too. Of course when this happened I was suspicious and called him up and he admitted it.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteYou are diagnosed as Aspargers, right?
{He also showed at one point an inclination towards the ideas of Hinduism and the works of Brahmin priests.}
ReplyDeleteparagraph 20
http://www.philosophybasics.com/philosophers_voltaire.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_France
ReplyDeleteInfluence of Hinduism in France
{French people who were Hindus or were influenced by Hinduism include Victor Cousin, Alexandra David-Néel, Paul Gauguin, René Guénon, Jules Michelet, Mirra Richard, Romain Rolland, Satprem, Paul Verlaine, François Gautier and Voltaire.}
"Darwin spent many years in India."
ReplyDeleteThat is from the very first comment on this thread. And like many others on the same subject on this
thread, it is nonsense. So far as I am aware he never set foot in India.