Looking for something else, I just stumbled onto a blogspot called IRREGULAR TIMES. The author was pooh-poohing the "Luciferic initiation" aspect of certain "Planetary" operations. He quoted many that admittedly did not footnote their work nor even accurately quote. He noted the absence of hyperlinks to the quotes.
I thoughtfully researched and attempted a posting to that blogspot. Curiously (or perhaps not!), the quote was rejected as duplicative of one I allegedly posted earlier. I had not, although I was cited in several comments.
Since the author of that site would have people believe it is non-existent, and the site is not permitting the posting of proper refuting evidence, I am posting what I prepared for it right here. You may try commenting to his site. I would appreciate your input here as well.
Here goes:
So you want the exact quote. You probably will not find it on a "hyperlink" because David Spangler published these words in his 1978 book, REFLECTIONS ON THE CHRIST. I am presently holding in my hand the third edition (Findhorn Press, Scotland) which was released in 1981, the same year I discovered Mr. Spangler's er, uh, rather interesting and decidedly Luciferic theology. The book looks innocuous enough on the cover. One could probably carry it into Sunday School and not attract undue attention unless one were familiar with the provocative contents. Chapter IV, pages 32 through 45 are dedicated to 'LUCIFER, CHRIST, AND GOD.'
" . . . Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now . . . will be facing, for it is an initiation in to the New Age . . ."
Now for the part that those who don't go along will "disappear," please turn to Mr. Spangler's Lorian Press (1976) published book REVELATION THE BIRTH OF A NEW AGE.. Please turn to pages 163-164. There we read:
What will happen to those who cannot attune to the new? Where will they go? . . . Furthermore, it is not really important to know where the old pattern will go; we are assured that it is shepherded by the Christ and will be fully ministered to by this cosmic presence. . . HOWEVER, there are a few words which can be said about where the old world and those attuned to it will go. Throughout creation there are infinite spheres of environment representing and educating all stages of conscious . . . Some of these are physical planets like Earth. . . . It is possible that , , , they can be contained and ministered to until such time as they can be RELEASED SAFELY INTO PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT AGAIN . . . THEY WILL LOSE, FOR THE TIME BEING, THEIR ACCESS TO THE EHTERIC PLANES OF POWER and the ability to control or influence the developments upon earth . . .
Well, as I have been reporting and saying for the past 30 years, "tell you what, David baby, why don't you go first? Send us a postcard.
AND, David Spangler was clearly on the cutting edge of the United Nations 1975 "First Planetary Celebration, October 24. 1975, for which Planetary Citizens acted as secretariat. Here's a hyperlink to that which is included in these bundled UN papers.
Stay tuned!
Constance
I posted on that site, incl. your information, and that one can consider oneself Christian and not be Christian, since he says Findhorn considers themselves Christian.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly enough, all the members of Harpy Coven, ancestor to Feri Witchcraft which is apparently much closer to the devil and a current from him than usual wicca is, were also church members in 1920s Oregon.
Christine on the last page of discussion posted at this blogsite you wrote, "were involved IN ADDITION to the standard story being true".
ReplyDeleteSo planes just melt into buildings do they then Christine? When you see the ´plane´ hit / touch the one of the towers, there is a flash of fire between its nose and the building´s surface, yet (once the wings, which didn´t break off but just melted into the building like a ghost) there was no fire nor explosion from the apparent engines on impact!
There were no planes, they were missiles at most if anything. Computer Hollywood style trickery was employed here.
On 911, Saddam´s Iraq aired the footage without planes hitting the buildings. Is this another reason he was deposed?
Strange how it was claimed that a passport of one of the alleged terrorists was apparently found in the rubble at ground zero, remember that? Yeah right! Lies and more lies. Hitler burned the Reichstag down remember!
Illuminati controls Hollywood Movies - BEFORE AND AFTER 911 (New Version Full)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnNQlktsheU
The last few minutes are very interesting.
Anyhow, someone is trying really hard to confuse the NO PLANE CONCLUSION. No Way a Plane or ANYTHING flew into the Towers on 911. If anyone had REAL Footage of a plane hitting either Tower someone woulda produced it... Every Single Video with a Plane in it is Fake. Period! NO PLANES NO HIJACKERS NO TERRORISTS ALL VIDEO FAKERY AND LIES.. Rest assured tonite everyone.. Muslim Extremists are NOT tryin' to Kill you... The War on Terror is a LIe.
Christine on the last page of discussion posted at this blogsite you wrote, "were involved IN ADDITION to the standard story being true".
ReplyDeleteSo planes just melt into buildings do they then Christine? When you see the ´plane´ hit / touch the one of the towers, there is a flash of fire between its nose and the building´s surface, yet (once the wings, which didn´t break off but just melted into the building like a ghost) there was no fire nor explosion from the apparent engines on impact!
There were no planes, they were missiles at most if anything. Computer Hollywood style trickery was employed here.
On 911, Saddam´s Iraq aired the footage without planes hitting the buildings. Is this another reason he was deposed?
Strange how it was claimed that a passport of one of the alleged terrorists was apparently found in the rubble at ground zero, remember that? Yeah right! Lies and more lies. Hitler burned the Reichstag down remember!
Illuminati controls Hollywood Movies - BEFORE AND AFTER 911 (New Version Full)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnNQlktsheU
The last few minutes are very interesting.
Anyhow, someone is trying really hard to confuse the NO PLANE CONCLUSION. No Way a Plane or ANYTHING flew into the Towers on 911. If anyone had REAL Footage of a plane hitting either Tower someone woulda produced it... Every Single Video with a Plane in it is Fake. Period! NO PLANES NO HIJACKERS NO TERRORISTS ALL VIDEO FAKERY AND LIES.. Rest assured tonite everyone.. Muslim Extremists are NOT tryin' to Kill you... The War on Terror is a LIe.
you can fake up a video too. I know there is one out there to try to prove the planes where holograms.
ReplyDeleteagain I NEVER questioned the presence of planes, in fact I SAW the second one hit on live feed, and yes they certainly did impact and explode.
yes it is damn peculiar about those passports and other papers miraculously unscathed.
That and the convenient timing of a drill and stand down orders and delays that prevented interception
show there was collusion at the top.
A siesmograph caught an additional explosion.
what I at first rejected was the idea of additional bombs. Just like the arguments with OKC which I thought was the militia crowd trying to take the heat off themselves, when in fact a they have people who are ex special forces and can do this anyway, and b they have sympathizers in the govt.\\HOWEVER the Reichstag Fire principle, of blow up your own stuff and blame someone else is easily in play also. And involving the same elements.
Long ago, I got wise to a cult that incl. highly placed people and one of the three ATF guys who made the decision to go ahead on the Waco thing, after they knew the cover was blown and it was pretty wierd HOW it was blown, was one of them, recognized from a photo of them, by someone who had seen this guy at a human sacrifice event.
The goal is to find out as my informant put it, what domino to push to take the US down into the kind of chaos they can use.
Ultimate goal, no political unit much larger than a city state like San Marino or Monaco. (this was a goal of british satanist Myatt who converted to islam, interestingly enough.)
Obviously a major push point would be to create a militia patriot uprising. Those elements who want a huge empire instead of breakdown would do the same thing to make an excuse for a Continuity of Govt. takeover.
The structure of the WTC was crossbeams lightly attached to projections on the side, which is indeed potential trouble and reportedly buildings like this are a terror to firefighters because WITHOUT ANY STEEL MELTING you can have weakening, flex, and slip off
the support.
Oddly, though, for those who favor an oddball physics type weapon as playing a role, there was molten steel found deep in the rubble two weeks later according to testimony in a hearing, I saw the video.
Conventional physics is sufficient to explain the molten steel at Ground Zero - no need for oddball physics. The fire started by the jet fuel was hot enough to melt steel, and of course it smouldered in a heap so large that it would take a very long time indeed to cool down, while also consuming other combustible material to maintain itself.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 3:17
ReplyDeleteDon't want to go down that trail but burning jet fuel is NOT hot enough melt steel, but certain forms of explosives can provide the heat to melt and pool steel.
Dave in CA
jet fuel won't melt steel they say, but in a confined space heat is greater. Besides you DO NOT NEED MELT only weaken and flex.
ReplyDeleteBut steel shouldn't remain molten for 2 weeks unless something very wierd is going on in the ferrous material some electrical kind of feedback loop keeping heat going.
It is interesting how there were cars and windows blown out at a distance or scorched that shouldn't have been in both this and the OKC case if I recall right.
The most telling point supporting rogue govt. involvement, is the deaths or other silencing of witnesses after in both cases.
10 May 2012
ReplyDeleteMayan art and calendar at Xultun stun archaeologists
"But Dr Saturno points out that the new finds serve to further undermine the fallacy that this is tantamount to a prediction of the end of the world."
"The ancient Maya predicted the world would continue, that 7,000 years from now, things would be exactly like this," he said.
"We keep looking for endings. The Maya were looking for a guarantee that nothing would change. It's an entirely different mindset."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18018343
Dave: This seems to me be a difficult calculation. The energy released by the combustion of a fixed amount of jet fuel, or any other compound, is easily determined, but the temperature reached depends on multiple other factors, including the heat capacity of the surrounds, and the rate of combustion relative to the rate at which heat is conducted or convected or radiated away. Then there's other stuff than jet fuel burning, ie the contents of the towers.
ReplyDeleteMe thinks Christine is an agent provocateur!! Nést pas Christine AKA ...
ReplyDeleteThe bungled UN papers are most interesting. Thank you Constance.
ReplyDeleteFED CLEARS CHINA'S FIRST U.S. BANK TAKEOVER
ReplyDeleteThe United States on Wednesday opened its banking market to ICBC, China's biggest bank, for the first time clearing a takeover of a US bank by a Chinese state-controlled company.
Just days after high-level US-China economic talks in Beijing, the Federal Reserve approved an application from Industrial and Commercial Bank of China to buy a majority stake in the US subsidiary of Bank of East Asia.
The transaction will make ICBC the first Chinese state-controlled bank to acquire retail bank branches in the United States.
ICBC has been the most aggressive of China's "big four" banks in expanding overseas.
According to the Fed the bank has total assets of roughly $2.5 trillion.
For more....
http://tinyurl.com/cyayxa4
To Dave @ 4:45 PM
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with you, Dave.
(That's why God gave us all a brain - to use it.)
On July 28, 1945, a U.S. Army B52 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building between the 78th and the 79th floors. Damage was confined to the area of impact, and the Empire State Building is still standing proud and tall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=cUlWpqLsOVs
Correction:
ReplyDeleteThat was a B25 bomber.
B25 specs "Wingspan 67 feet 6.7 inches, length 53 feet 5.75 inches (bomber version), height 16 feet 4.2 inches, wing area 610 square feet.
ReplyDeleteWeights:
21,100 pounds empty, 33,000 pounds normal loaded, 35,000 pounds gross, 41,800 pounds maximum overload.
The fuel capacity consisted of four tanks in the inner wing panels, with a total capacity of 670 US gallons. In addition, 304 US gallons of fuel could be carried in auxiliary tanks in the outboard wing panels, for a normal total fuel load of 974 US gallons. A 515-gallon tank could be installed in the bomb bay for ferrying purposes, 125 gallons of fuel could be carried in side waist positions, a 215-gallon self-sealing fuel tank could be installed in the top of the bomb bay, and provisions could be made for a droppable 335-gallon metal bomb-bay fuel tank. Fuel System"
http://www.b25.net/pages/b25spec.html
747 specs "Maximum Fuel Capacity 48,445 U.S. gal (183,380 L)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 735,000 lb (333,400 kg)"
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_classics.html
quite a difference as you can see. Also, the WTC was built to withstand an accidental impact by the biggest plane of its time whatever that was it was NOT a 747.
You're inaccurately depicting the Irregular Times article, Constance. The article regards claims that David Spangler is part of a luciferian UN conspiracy, and establishes clearly that David Spangler was never part of the UN.
ReplyDeleteDear Jim Cook,
ReplyDeleteDavid Spangler was clearly part of many UN operations and they clearly were Luciferian ones at that although most of those quoting did so inaccurately. Planetary Citizens was founded in part with UN moneys and David Spangler did indeed take part in its interactions with the UN, including but not limited to the FIRST PLANETARY CELEBRATION of October 24, 1975. Review the papers at the UN hyperlink I provided.
Constance
And, Jim Cook, I used the ellipses appropriately and kept the material in context. Donald Keys was writing speeches for ambassadors of the UN during this period. Keys was as bad as Spangler on the Luciferic aspect. He actually served as an administrator for Lucis Trusts in addition to heading World Federalists and SANE.
ReplyDeleteConstance
To Jim Cook:
ReplyDeleteYou may read all about the interactions between the UN and Planetary Citizens in EARTH AT OMEGA: PASSAGE TO PLANETIZATION by Donald Keys with Norman Couzens. I believe it is now available on line as a Google Ebook.
Constance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdXvGnzbFhk&list=PL74CBFC992C8315E5&index=1&feature=plpp_video
ReplyDeleteRAND Corporation and world government drive. From research in the RAND Corporation's own papers.
As for where the ones who cannot "attune to the new" will dissappear to, they will be gathered up and sent to the internment and ressetlement camps run by the Army's military police. Read all about them in the link that Christine gave us awhile back in an official document by the Department of the Army. There they will be attempted to be rehabilitated and re-educated into the new. As far as the ones that absolutely cannot be re-educated who knows what happens to them after that?
ReplyDeletehttp://javiersolana.esadeblogs.com/
ReplyDeleteCheck out the 2 posts that Javier Solana just posted today in his blog site. One is on the "Global Water Crisis" and the other is on the "Austerity battle going on in Europe".
http://eeas.europa.eu/top_stories/2012/110512_iraq_en.htm
ReplyDeleteThe European Union signs historic new agreement with Iraq today.
Christine:
ReplyDeleteRe: John Rupp's 7:38 PM post (on
your links to the internment and resettlement camps run by the Army's military police)....
Please supply us this link which many of us missed seeing.
Thanks.
More than a clue that the New Age culture is so very acceptable to the general public.
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Constance,
ReplyDeleteYou ask for feedback/contributions and the only thing anyone ever sees anymore is worthless junk from Christine and those who attempt to set her straight. There's nothing really of value here anymore other than your posts. All the good researchers have been run off.
Somebody made available to me an original copy of mimeographed Unification Church manual and lectures (circa 1975). The blasphemies are even more incredible than I ever thought. Shame on Tim LaHaye and Jerry Falwell (and many others) for having made common cause with him with money as their motivation. I have scanned and OCR'd the manual. You may pull it down in .pdf form from my PRESENTATIONS FOR DOWNLOADING link.
ReplyDeleteConstance
As I have said before, everybody knows or should know how to use the COLLAPSE COMMENTS feature. I am not going to banish Christine or her supporters/refuters. However, I would pray that Susanna, Marco, Catherine, Paul and the others would stick around. They are BADLY NEEDED. JOHN RUPP is making EXCELLENT contributions!
ReplyDeleteConstance
As I have said before, everybody knows or should know how to use the COLLAPSE COMMENTS feature. I am not going to banish Christine or her supporters/refuters. However, I would pray that Susanna, Marco, Catherine, Paul and the others would stick around. They are BADLY NEEDED. JOHN RUPP is making EXCELLENT contributions!
ReplyDeleteConstance
this post should have been on this page.
ReplyDeleteyes, the new age is VERY acceptable to the American public has been all along in varying degrees, as anyone who takes a look at some magazine racks, not to mention the history of American interest over generations in the occult and pop occult like horoscopes and tarot card and other psychic readings for pay can tell you.
There are many many books and articles from Christian sources, decrying the infiltation of occultism into all parts of American life, from children's cartoons to political and business life.
Disney in a way opened the door for this with his Peter Pan and Tinker Bell and her luciferic faerie dust she scatters at the introduction of Disney programs and the general focus on fantasy in unhealthy in itself. While individual cartoons of Disney's mostly don't do that, Disney Land and so forth do.
It is minor compared to what is going down now, Harry Potter and the whole fantasy focus in general, but it was a start.
Fairy stories like the Grimm stories in general are often a whitewash of more scary stuff in folk legends of Europe.
links about FEMA camps this might be the post you are thinking of, i tend to take this stuff with a grain of salt, but there is too much smoke with some flame showing now for there not to be fire. I don't think any one camp can hold as many as a million people.
ReplyDeleten the three extra large FEMA camps,
that is a new enough bubble on this that my only source so far is Alex Jones, but there is apparently an activation on existing ones, with FEMA snapping up all emergency supplies, meals for millions, and suppliers to civilian preppers (preparedness people) having to backorder for them complaining FEMA bought their entire inventory already, that was months ago. Here are a few links.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111206232416AAZoKCD
a search on http://www.infowars.com should turn up a lot of information, incl. copies of govt. documents also youtube has stuff.
One big problem with these kind of people is they only read some parts of the Constitution, and ignore others. "treason" is a term thrown around loosely, ignoring the very narrow definition in the Constitution, and both sides of the potential dispute in the street that martial law would be part of, would view the opposite side as enemies of the Constitution and the nation. Both would probably, in different ways, be correct.
Here is the report of FEMA moving to activate what is there. http://www.prisonplanet.com/fema-puts-out-contract-for-emergency-camps-to-house-displaced-citizens.html
rumors of a million person facility in Alaska seems to be hogwash but maybe not, I can't imagine situating a facility like that in a place like that and it would certainly show on the google maps images. here is a google search that you can pursue the subject pro and con
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=frgbld&gs_nf=1&tok=L8Hg_ySFH3pAAGhcXYbddg&cp=5&gs_id=j&xhr=t&q=fema+camps&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=fema+&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1d56d48badd02f22&biw=871&bih=412
5:54 PM
Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smwYBf-kfjw&feature=g-user-u&context=G2303857UCGXQYbcTJ33Yr-sLE_CqvJI940IQsaYudC0qKpU9lLVc
http://tinyurl.com/7nywmuv
here is the reason for a lot of these developments. HOWEVER....don't doubt certain people won't take the opportunity to consolidate power and make sure they are in charge when the dust settles. google "deep underground military bases." Also Jesse Ventura on youtube the 2012 conspiracy. Also the police state conspiracy this program of his got yanked off TV I hear, but that might be hype.
I would expect, that power elites being in competition, and ditto elements in the military, they may be aiming to throw each other into camps and exterminate each other before they get around to us. Crisis is opportunity, remember.
Supposedly at least one of those camps has huge furnaces, but then, you would have to heat a lot of buildings and cremate people who died in the catastrophes and were diseased water bloated and so forth and not murdered at all, so it is hard to tell. Worst case scenario might happen, extermination camps, but on the other hand, that might IF it happens only be an occasional side use of something originally not intended for that.
My channel has some favorites links that can be a start,
http://www.youtube.com/infowolf1
and my blog, http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com
John Rupp,
ReplyDeleteThe doc you´re after can be found here:
http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf
http://antioligarch.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america/
A Friend
I have carefully scanned and ocr'd the mimeographed binder version of the Unification Church lectures, songs, and instructions for new Moonies. The blasphemies are even far more incedible than I had dreamed.
ReplyDeletePull it down from my "Presentations for Downloading" or if you subscribe to ScribD, I made it available there as well.
https://public.me.com/cumbey
You will find it 8th on the list. It is a VERY LARGE file (175 megabytes). It is already OCR'd and so you may do searches without reading word for word.
Constance
"For years, many of us had our eyes on the "Western EU" (WEU), as this ten member cluster of nations had been together for decades and represented the seat of power within the EU Council, and as a result were by far the most powerful group within the EU See here (WEU)
ReplyDeleteThese countries were as follows and we can compare the WEU to the "Berlin Group" who is selecting the new EU Super-President:
WEU
Belgium
France
Germany
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Portugal
Spain
Greece
United Kingdom
"Belgium Group"
Belgium
France*
Germany
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Portugal
Spain
Poland
Austria
Denmark
* The French representative did not attend the meeting.
The three countries in green were not part of the WEU.
This is somewhat complicated. The WEU has had two countries eliminated from this process of selecting the Super-President: Greece and the United Kingdom. In fact, several articles have suggested that the exclusion was purposeful, given that the UK has refused to adopt the Euro and join the Eurozone. We're all aware of the financial problems Greece faces and their membership in the Eurozone tenuous.
Technically, the Berlin Group has 11 countries, and it could just be coincidence that the French representative missed the first meeting. If so, then the number of countries would remain at 11, and as a result could not possibly represent the "10 kings".
However, it will be interesting to watch - to see if somehow the Berlin Group does become reduced to a 10 member group, particularly if the exiting country happens to be a member of the WEU.
In this scenario we would then have a 10 member group (the WEU) who by all accounts is the most powerful group within the EU - morphing into the Berlin Group (which would be a 10 member group who is creating the EU "Super-President" position), by eliminating 3 countries ("kings?) and replacing them.
We still don't know who the biblical 10 kings will be. Personally, despite the above, I tend to lean towards the idea that the world will evolve into 10 "unions", most of which have already formed (see here).
But - this story is compelling and simply cannot be ignored. We have a grouping of 10 powerful nations within the revived Roman Empire creating the most powerful position in the Empire, and in the process, creating the most powerful position in the world.
At the same time, we see the WEU basically transforming into this "Berlin Group" by eliminating two countries, Greece and UK (so far) and adding three more, bringing the total to 11. The elimination of one more (France?) county brings that total to 10.
Stay tuned, this story is evolving and may prove to be quite interesting."
http://tinyurl.com/2el4a3f
or
http://www.prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/
* * *
Fwiw.
to anonymous at 1:08
ReplyDeletesome food for thought is this, don't just watch Western Europe. Remember the Rome also had an empire in the Middle East. If the muslims form a "union" it may just be something to watch. I am not saying that you are wrong, but just don't focus on one place. The puzzle pieces will fit together, you won't have to force them to fit.
How´s Opus Dei going?
ReplyDeleteChristine Erikson, Congrats on your interesting post at
ReplyDeletehttp://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com.es/
exposing the Vatican and its refusal to recognise Israel´s right to exist. Outrageous! I thought your post of such value that others should learn from it. THANK YOU!!!
Saturday, April 21, 2012
Vatican position on Israel
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4203818,00.html
"In a special interview with Die Tagespost last week, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem
Fouad Twal, named by Pope Benedict to represent the Vatican in the Jewish State,
declared that “Israel’s existence as such has nothing to do with the Bible.” He then
compared Christians’ condition in today’s Jerusalem with Jesus’ Passion: “We
Christians never forget that even our Lord himself suffered and was mocked in
Jerusalem.”
Twal's position on Israel and the Bible has been embraced at the highest levels
in the Catholic Church. The Vatican synod in 2010 declared that Israel cannot
use the Biblical concept of a promised land or a chosen people. “We Christians
cannot speak about the Promised Land for the Jewish people”, the synod’s
document said. “There is no longer a chosen people. The concept of the
promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews
to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians.”
There is the concept "replacement theology," which holds that the Church or
ekklesia, assembly, the Assembly of YHWH which originally was Israel, consists
properly of those who truly follow YHWH as did Abraham, to whom YHWH said
that ALL nations would be blessed through him, now consists solely therefore
of those who follow YHWH's Messiah Jesus (Joshua or Yahshua, Yah is
Savior) "Christ" being Greek for Anointed One, which is the same thing Messiah
means in Hebrew.
Indeed, if a Jewish rabbi were to deliver a sermon in a Greek synagogue about
the Messiah he would either have to use the word "Christos," or avoid this by
using the Hebrew word for "Anointed One" only, the rest of the sermon being
in Greek, or use some Greek equivalent phrasing that uses several words
to express the concept of the Messiah, or weasle around the word by
using some appropriate but weasle intended in useage in context word like
Son of David or something like that.
There is however, St. Paul's warning in Romans that the Christian should not
boast against the Jews or Israel after the flesh, because they are not cast
off and they are the domestic olive tree, into which we the branches cut
from a wild olive tree are grafted, and they bear us not vice versa..."
Justina
Posted by Christine Erikson (aka Justina)
READ MORE HERE:
http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com.es/
David
Saturday, April 21, 2012
ReplyDeleteVatican position on Israel
http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com.es/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4203818,00.html
"In a special interview with Die Tagespost last week, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem
Fouad Twal, named by Pope Benedict to represent the Vatican in the Jewish State,
declared that “Israel’s existence as such has nothing to do with the Bible.” He then
compared Christians’ condition in today’s Jerusalem with Jesus’ Passion: “We
Christians never forget that even our Lord himself suffered and was mocked in
Jerusalem.”
Twal's position on Israel and the Bible has been embraced at the highest levels
in the Catholic Church. The Vatican synod in 2010 declared that Israel cannot
use the Biblical concept of a promised land or a chosen people. “We Christians
cannot speak about the Promised Land for the Jewish people”, the synod’s
document said. “There is no longer a chosen people. The concept of the
promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews
to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians.”
There is the concept "replacement theology," which holds that the Church or
ekklesia, assembly, the Assembly of YHWH which originally was Israel, consists
properly of those who truly follow YHWH as did Abraham, to whom YHWH said
that ALL nations would be blessed through him, now consists solely therefore
of those who follow YHWH's Messiah Jesus (Joshua or Yahshua, Yah is
Savior) "Christ" being Greek for Anointed One, which is the same thing Messiah
means in Hebrew.
Indeed, if a Jewish rabbi were to deliver a sermon in a Greek synagogue about
the Messiah he would either have to use the word "Christos," or avoid this by
using the Hebrew word for "Anointed One" only, the rest of the sermon being
in Greek, or use some Greek equivalent phrasing that uses several words
to express the concept of the Messiah, or weasle around the word by
using some appropriate but weasle intended in useage in context word like
Son of David or something like that.
There is however, St. Paul's warning in Romans that the Christian should not
boast against the Jews or Israel after the flesh, because they are not cast
off and they are the domestic olive tree, into which we the branches cut
from a wild olive tree are grafted, and they bear us not vice versa.
Also, contrary to some evangelical critics, support of zionism does not
have to mean there are two tracks for salvation, Judaism for Jews and
Christianity for the rest of us, rather, that what has to do with God's actions
in history, and making a situation that sets the stage for the Second Coming
when "they will look on Me [or Him depending on translation] Whom they
have pierced," is not about salvation which still depends on Jesus.
(one can argue that those who love God and do not actually hate Jesus
but have some kindness towards Him as an individual, might indeed meet
Him at death, recognize Him as the unknown influence in their lives, and
accept Him as Lord, or get fished out of hell later in response to prayers
for the dead, but still their salvation would depend on Jesus, Who said
"I am the way, the truth and the life, none comes to The Father except
through Me."]
Yes, there is legitimacy to replacement theology but it is more nuanced
that the typical Orthodox or Roman Catholic would see it. Meanwhile
any curse that the Jews of the time brought down on themselves and
their children as they said, would have been fulfilled in AD 70, and
mitigated by Christ/Messiah's prayer to The Father, "Father, forgive
them, for they know not what they do."
Justina
Once again, thanks Christine for having the guts to speak openly and fairly on this issue.
ReplyDeleteDavid.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/26/pope-opus-dei-vatican-leaks
ReplyDeleteseems the Vatican as usual is more interested in coverups than exposing and correcting evil, contrary to The Bible and St. Basil the Great and others.
And they have called in some Opus Dei member to head the investigation to find out, not what went on but who leaked it.
The real problem with an organization like Opus Dei, or the Roman Catholic one bishop over all top down tight hierarchy approach, is that one's loyalty subtly shifts from Christ to the organization that represents Him and in some mystical way IS Him. This identity of Church with Christ is of course not absolute or literal as The Bible makes clear. Christ's Body is in Heaven, His metaphorical/mystical body on earth is like when in a cowboy movie you hear of someone referred to as someone's "hand" a worker on the ranch or the cattle drive.
Christ's Body is only on Earth in any literal and real way in the Eucharist.
But getting confused - and inducing and encouraging such confusion is what cultists of all Christian formats are good at doing, and you can in an even subtler way do the same thing with politics, I remember how I gradually got service to Christ in a political context shifted to politics as replacing Christ while keeping an illusion of Him. In my case right wingism, in the case of leftist Christians it would be leftism, but it is all the same thing.
C.S. Lewis, for all his problematic stuff, such as that Narnia stuff that has been praised by pagans as well as Christians, had some good points, and one was The Screwtape Letters. In this, the senior demon Screwtape explains to his nephew Wormwood that if he can't get "the patient" out of Christianity, he can try to get him into "Christianity and."
And it doesn't matter what is on the other side of that and, he explains, it can be good causes, and it could politics of course, but the point is that what comes after the "and" is to replace Christianity. Get so equated with it that eventually it IS Christianity and Christ and somehow you have lost the faith or nearly so, while you think you are most faithful to it.
I think something like this happens with Vatican anti scandal mentality and Opus Dei, because in theory such a holy group so dedicated to quashing the flesh, should if so in fact on track with Jesus say, NO we are going to fight the evil you want hidden and expose it more, but they don't.
The reputation of the organization, not the reality within it, is all such people care about.
Absolutely right Christine. Another scary group, New Age and masonic to its ancient mystery religion core is the SMOM Knights of Malta!
ReplyDeleteDavid.
as for what is the New Age Movement, here is some insight from a disgruntled person disgusted with it all, though at the time of writing all this and the later often hilarious posts, he was not a Christian.
ReplyDeletehttp://mysticbourgeoisie.blogspot.com/2005/07/table-of-contents.html
the political thing and EU and one world government part of it, is often displeasing to some New Agers who don't like dictatorial stuff directed at them (I am sure they wouldn't mind being the dictators themselves, however). Ergo the New Age type consciousness solutions to be found in some of the truth movement that goes against a lot of what Constance goes against in her books also, but seek the solution to the problems in the wrong direction.
Reminds me of someone who couldn't see the Crowley Nazi compatibility because he was himself too democratic minded in that incipient godhood matter so didn't like violence and evil and obvious evil and stuff and did a "blank out" as atheist semi psychopath but often clever and insightful Ayn Rand would put it, if he ran into anything that didn't fit his nice picture of the creep. Perhaps over the years he has changed some, but his research exposing the Nazi occult connections to the present day is pretty good.
http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf
ReplyDeleteChristine, this is the link for the official document from the Department of the Army on Internment and Resettlement camps.
Constance you say the good researchers should come back. Why should they? Because they are needed by you to support this blog which has turned into a mishmash of information coming primarily from one person? You don't even straighten that person out yourself and you know what the movement is about. Throwing good information in here is like throwing good meat into a bad tasting stew. Those who are trying to learn can't separate the good information from the bad without help that you refuse to give.
ReplyDeleteOops, sorry, that link on internment and resettlement camps was provided by Christine earlier and I was giving that to Anon 9:29 who asked for that link.
ReplyDeleteI have used the collapse feature only to find most other posts are directed towards Christine. A visit to these comments are like Dinner with Aundre.
ReplyDeleteSection 3.2 specifies "...within an
ReplyDeleteassigned theater of operations or in CONUS." Section 1 abbrev. and avronymns says CONUS means Continental United State.
Notice at the end of intended distribution lists Army Reserve and National Guard.
Clearly this document is not limited to foreign wartime or similar situation, but has in mind activities in the United States. This opens the door to the FEMA Camp for civilian US citizens situation deplored by conspiracy theorists who may, in fact, be onto something.
To the complainers of this being rendered a mess by the information brought in, why bother get or keep good researchers,
It sounds like you like things very simple, very narrow focussed (pref. on Europe not the US) and away from anything that might challenge anyone's world view.
I do not know if this person is the same one who claimed I know very little about the New Age Movement, but in fact it is that person who knows very little, or wants the larger ramifications kept out of the picture. After all, the average US resident or citizen has little impact on events in Europe. But the US is the muscle of the NWO and that and the UN Agenda 21 which is part of the plan, IS something we can affect. Perhaps this person is too narrowly focussed on some of the usual self appointed prophecy experts, and perhaps this person is part of the problem and wants to keep people working and praying irrelevantly.
I am surprised that anyone thought it odd that New Age stuff is so acceptable in America, it is all over the map and has been for decades. It screams at you from bookstore shelves, public library shelves, procedures in offices sometimes, and even the tabloids at the supermarket checkout stands. Not to mention TV and movies and popular books.
Ever notice the popular series Charmed? or Sabrina the Teenage Witch? or the awful vampire series Twilight? I can't list most because I don't watch much TV any more.
Christine, again you jump to conclusions without any valid support for your comments. That's why your commentary is so weak. You are all over the place without any cement holding your various ideas together. You may be well meaning, but that's not enough to support a thesis. If you aren't well meaning, I would say that your efforts are meant to throw everyone off serious research on the New Age movement. In that you have succeeded.
ReplyDeleteall over the place and no cement? I don't consider this serious New Age research beyond a narrow point of European politics that may or may not have any bearing on the antichrist.
ReplyDeleteEveryone forgets, a colossal natural disaster that displaces all mountains and islands and the stars appear to move as if they are falling is going to happen before that. Right after the fourth horseman.
the machinations of the elites with their chemical biological warfare sneak population reduction possibilities might play a role in that fourth horseman's game.
What would you consider "cement," something that helps you exclude almost everything that will of course maybe sneak up and bite you on the a.. later because you didn't keep an eye on it?
Are you the same one who said I don't know much about the New Age?
kindly tell me two things.
1. What is your definition of the New Age.
2. What is your idea of serious research on it, what should be included and what excluded?
The cement holding my ideas together, the grid I view things through is Jesus Christ and The Bible, and reading it through reading almost nothing else take two or three at most four months to do it, will have you notice things that just get ignored all the time, by heretics, legitimate and the eschatology theorists who just don't mention these, or spiritualize them out of the way.
RIGHT NOW THERE ARE ELITES AND GOVERNMENTS BUILDING UNDERGROUND FACILITIES CAPABLE OF HOUSING 5 TO 20 THOUSAND APIECE, for several months or more. These are not FEMA camps.
Now go read that bit in Revelation chapter 6, where it speaks of all kinds of people going to the rocks and crying fall on us and hide us in response to this disaster looming?
crustal displacement or axis flip, either one would fit.
your attitude is like someone into arithmetic complaining that someone else doing geometry is not seriously studying math.
"That the Jesuit Order is for the left wing of the Roman Catholic Church, Opus Dei is for its right wing. (Hegelian politics at its finest, for the Roman Catholic Church cannot lose if it has strong ties with both ends of the political spectrum! Of course, to work it requires Protestants to be duped into political alliances with heretics.) Many Protestants are not familiar with Opus Dei though, so a bit of education is necessary."
ReplyDelete"Although Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a wicked secular humanist organization, its website contains useful information concerning Opus Dei. One informative article, excerpted below, is at
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8183&abbr=cs_ :"
"“…Opus Dei, Latin for “work of God,” has, according to media reports, at least 3,000 members in the United States but its influence, critics say, has been more substantial than its numbers would indicate. In 2002, an Opus Dei priest, the Rev. C. John McCloskey III, former director of the Catholic Information Center, converted U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) from evangelical Protestantism to Catholicism. Brownback’s conversion was shepherded by U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), a conservative Catholic and Opus Dei booster. Long the scourge of progressive Catholics, Opus Dei, with an estimated 80,000 members worldwide, has enjoyed a close relationship with the church’s conservative hierarchy, serving, as one writer put it in the mid 1980s, as a “holy mafia” to promote far-right views on “culture war” issues. The organization has long had its own order of priests, and in 1982, Pope John Paul II granted Opus Dei special status known as a “personal prelature.” That means the group is overseen by its own bishop, who reports directly to the pope. Opus Dei is the only organization to enjoy such unique privileges..."
http://www.illuminati-news.com/080606a.htm
David
Anon at 10:36 PM,
ReplyDeleteChristina´s work is well cited and usually very well sourced. The only one not providing anything useful is you. Now clear off and may the Lord be with you.
David.
Anonymous at 7:11 PM
ReplyDeletesaid...
"Constance you say the good researchers should come back. Why should they? Because they are needed by you to support this blog which has turned into a mishmash of information coming primarily from one person? You don't even straighten that person out yourself and you know what the movement is about. Throwing good information in here is like throwing good meat into a bad tasting stew. Those who are trying to learn can't separate the good information from the bad without help that you refuse to give."
The answer is to post many more articles yourself. You post nothing but criticism you nasty little troll! Stop being jealous of Christina and so disrespectful to the person whose blog it is. YOU ARE LAZY & SPITEFUL! If you spent more time researching and posting you´d have less time and less of a disgruntled pretence to reason. HEY, YOU NEVER KNOW ANON, YOU MIGHT EVEN POST S.THING USEFUL AND GET PEOPLE JEALOUS OF YOU IN THE END!!!!! HOPEFULLY THEY WON´T BE AS RUDE. UNTIL THEN, STAY AWAY!!! YOU WON´T BE MISSED!!!!
David
Anon. 1:22 pm:
ReplyDeleteLately I have been thinking more along the lines you have - that the European focus is not necessarily the correct one.
When the 10-nation Common Market came along in the 80s (I think it was sometime in the 80s that the number of member states reached 10), it seemed a logical entity to match with the 10 kings of prophecy. But then.... there were 11, then 12.... and the popular prophecy preachers at the time kinda turned down their rhetoric.
Then Herb Peters came along and did some fantastic research that seemed to pull things all back together again.
While his research is better than anyone else's I've read on the topic in the past 10 years or more, it's still just a "best guess" for the events occurring at the time it was written, and some parts of that guessing may turn out to have been wrong.
I try not to put all my eggs in the same basket, especially when espousing certain eschatological views.
I think the argument for a revived Roman Empire is pretty weak, and have focused my attention on either the SCO (which would be 10 Eastern kings) or perhaps a revived 10-nation Islamic empire.
Van Impe, just last week, and for the first time, proposed that one of the two legs of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream was Islam, while the other was Rome.
I think Islam has to be considered when talking about end times - The Arab and Islamic nations have always been opposed to God's people. It would make sense that there will be opposition down to the very end.
My own view is that Europe is very weak politically, morally, intellectually, and militarily, and beyond any kind of revival, and is in danger of being overrun by either the Eastern kings of Russia and/or China, or of being taken over by Islam.
To suggest that Europe will somehow become a world power controlling everything is to suggest something that currently is laughable. The only way it could happen, in my opinion, is if the rest of the world powers are taken from the picture, via perhaps a large-scale world that would likely include Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea, the United States, and a handful of other powerful Latin American and Middle Eastern states. And maybe India, although they might somehow find a way to sit out the next war. They really don't like China though, so I'm not sure.
Last para, second sentence, should have the following correction:
ReplyDelete"....via perhaps a large-scale world WAR that would likely include...
And in "World War Just Ahead" news...
ReplyDeleteDavid Dolan writes, in a special report, of some rather ominous events in Israel:
TUESDAY, MAY 8. 2:45 PM
Shalom from Jerusalem,
It has been a very interesting ten days here in Israel, to say the least! First, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu denied media reports that he was considering advancing national Knesset elections from late next year to sometime this year. Then several opinion surveys were published projecting that his Likud party would currently emerge as the largest one in the Knesset by far (the opposition Kadima party is slightly larger at present with 28 seats to the Likud’s 27), with Kadima losing around half its seats. The next largest party would be Labor with around 18 seats, or just over half what the Likud was projected to pick up (30-31). All this seemingly prompted the Premier to change his mind and order early elections after all—or so it seemed until today.
It has now been revealed that even after a government bill was submitted to the Knesset yesterday for its dissolution this week, with new elections to be held on September 4th, secret coalition negotiations were going on between Netanyahu’s office and new Kadima leader Shaul Mofaz. The former Defense Minster (under Ehud Olmert) and Armed Forces Chief of Staff was only elected to the post late last month, defeating former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni who had a very poor personal relationship with the veteran Likud leader. Although he often publicly criticized the popular Likud leader, Mofaz was known to be much closer to Netanyahu, quietly supporting his handling of the Iran crisis and other vital military issues.
The two party leaders negotiated all night and surprised the nation (not to mention most members of the current coalition government) this morning with the announcement that Kadima has agreed to join a broad "National Unity Government" that will have nearly three-fourths of the Knesset’s current members in it. This will give Israel a coalition government of unprecedented strength at a critical time in the country’s short modern history. Given the instability rocking Greece and many other countries, this is a remarkable development for sure.
Shaul Mofaz will become "Vice Premier," which will increase his prestige and exposure before the next election. The two leaders have also agreed to introduce major political reforms that are opposed by the smaller religious and Arab parties, including a direct vote for regional Knesset candidates for a portion of the legislature (only parties are currently chosen, not individual candidates like in the US and elsewhere). Analysts say if this long sought after reform is actually enacted, it will undoubtedly reduce the number of Orthodox and Arab politicians elected to the next Knesset, further strengthening the large centrist parties and bringing more political stability to the country. Another promised reform would entail the drafting of almost all 18 year old Israelis into some form of public service, including most religious youth and Arab citizens.
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ReplyDeletePolitical analysts are saying this afternoon that the new government reformation is not only a very dramatic and unexpected development, but probably means that an Israeli military strike on Iran is in the offing. Netanyahu would want as broad a government as possible if he orders his military forces into action against Iran, especially since this would probably spark off a major Middle East war. That in turn would increase political and economic upheaval not only here in the tense region, but in many places around the world. Still, Netanyahu knows that polls show a majority of Israeli voters back such action, given that the extremist Iranian regime is pursuing nuclear weapons while vowing to wipe the Jewish State off of the world map. Facing his own re-election this year, US President Barack Obama would probably be very unhappy with any unilateral IDF action, although his need for Jewish votes in key swing states like Florida might cause him to bite his lip. Indeed, many are saying that is another reason why Netanyahu feels the need to order a strike this year before the US ballot in early November, and early Knesset elections in September would have interfered with that reality.
All this to say, the prospects of an Israeli military operation designed to sharply set back Iran’s nuclear program have vastly increased, literally overnight. Keep us in prayer as the shakings continue here in the region and around the world. I will give you a full update on these important developments in my monthly news report the last week of May.
TEN TOES, SOME STRONG, SOME WEAK . . . THEY WILL NOT CLEAVE TOGETHER . . . THEY WILL HAND THEIR POWER TO THE BEAST FOR ONE PURPOSE . . .
ReplyDeleteSorry, but as I see it, the prophecies (Daniel and Revelation) could apply (with my present admittedly limited understanding) ONLY to the European scene.
Constance
Friends,
ReplyDeleteIn studying the endtime scriptures and comparing them with the world today we need to do the scripture study in isolation from world politics and THEN compare.
Commentators differ over whether the ten leaders correspond to ten Islamic Middle Eastern States, ten secular European States, ten 'Eurabian' states around the Mediterranean like ancient Rome's Empire, or ten regions that make up the world. I'm not convinced that the aggregate of the ten must be what "once was, now is not, but will come," in the words of the Book of Revelation.
I also believe that the four parts of the statue in Daniel 2 refer to the four great empires that precede Christ's first coming, and the four beasts in Daniel 7 refer to the four great empires that precede his second coming. There are striking parallels between the two sets of four, but the beasts cannot be a recapitulation of the statue because Daniel was told that all four beasts were in the future yet the head of the statue had already risen – it was Babylon, where Daniel was living in exile at the time of his experiences. (The other three parts of the statue, as is generally agreed, were the Medo-Persians, Alexander's empire, and Rome's.) Furthermore, two of the empires in the statue, the Persians', and Alexander's, are represented by *different* animals in another of Daniel’s visions than the animals in Daniel 7.
Accordingly, the lion with eagle's wings that were torn off refers to the British Empire and the American Eagle; the bear was the Soviet Empire, and the last beast is Antichrist's world empire, while the leopard that comes between now and Antichrist is - who? Take your pick between an Islamic empire and a Chinese empire.
I forgot to add this, sorry:
ReplyDeleteHAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL OUR MOTHERS HERE!
Constance
As I've said before. I respect our honest searches for truth. Time and events will eventually tell. The important thing is that we remain on God's side and KEEP THE FAITH.
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For those who've not seen "The Green Agenda" website [ http://green-agenda.com/index.html ], have a look at the 'global map' of 10 separate interdependent world regions, as suggested by the Club of Rome a while back, here (you'll have to scroll down a bit):
ReplyDeletehttp://green-agenda.com/turningpoint.html
Thanks, Craig, for the excellent information vis a vis the Club of Rome and their various and sundry scare campaigns. I now have conclusive evidence that they were in on the planning for the 1983 Planetary Initiative planned "Global Culminating Congress" which fizzled after the New Agers were outed with their Lucis Trust agenda.
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green agenda lists Agenda 21 in its links on the left side of the page.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Solana
ReplyDeleteScroll down to the last couple paragraphs listing Javier Solana's various associations and see that he himself is a member of the "Spanish section of the Club of Rome". The European Council has been mulling around the idea of a "Super-President" of the EU. I think this position of Super-President will be created and that Javier Solana will be the lead candidate to fill it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YtnyKrUUiY
ReplyDeletesomeone else is making the same connection between nibiru (not a planet a brown dwarf star) and Revelation 6 disaster. Of course, the Earth level event is crustal displacement and/or axis flip, the latter could only be caused by nibiru, but either that or the Hapgood theory would do the crustal displacement also. And this is before the antichrist appears.
Interesting, angels are told to restrain the winds, which scientists expect in the case of a major asteroid impact and/or axis tilt or flip to reach 350 mph world wide. Left to themselves, of course, since science doesn't figure God telling angels to restrain the winds.
Don't be near the coasts, or under 100 foot elevation.
Marko
ReplyDeleteSerious problem if your watching Van Impe. Total FALSE prophet.
I never could stand the Van Impes, his wife and he were always grinning while describing expected awfulness. The whole Christian News beat style theirs and others is just baptised worldliness anyway, the music and pretentiousness.
ReplyDeleteEver notice how these charismatic preachers have outrageous names, like Peacocke and Prince, if I had such a name legitimately and were a preacher I'd change my name for humility issues. I was going to ditch infowolf1 until I realized i was signed up on too much and had too much of an online presence under than name for years to do this. And what if someone else took the moniker i ditched and misrepresented or misled or something?
Christine
ReplyDeleteIf you want to play the name game, have a look at liberal episcopalian bishops who led the way in wrecking corporate faith... Swing on the west coast and Spong on the east.
Swing I can sort of understand being wierd like a swinger, but what does Spong mean idiomatically?
ReplyDeleteIf there was a giant planet and or star headed for the earth, we would see it. In March Jupiter was quite visible next to Venus in our evening sky. Yet, Jupiter is quite a distance from Earth, but is 11 times the size. So, it appears as the third largest object in the night sky.
ReplyDeleteThere is no Nibiru or giant Planet X headed towards the Earth. Therefore it does not fulfill the prophecy in Revelation and is not Wormwood. I wonder if the physicist knows astronomy so he can school you on why Nibiru is nothing more than pure fantasy.
Daniel 2:40-43
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Constance that I can't see it being any other than United Europe. Like you said the 10 toes are partly of iron and partly of clay. There will be a strength to this last kingdom but as iron can't mix with clay so there will be strife between these nations and they will struggle. They will be very vulnerable.
excuse me, i said BROWN DWARF STAR. These are INVISIBLE except in IR which is why their existence was only theoretical until the IRAS space telescope confirmed they exist viewing infrared only.
ReplyDeleteNow, the CAUSE of the disaster in Revelation 6 might not be a BD star, it might be Hapgood's shifting crust theory, which he had found evidence was already creeping along in the early 1980s.
But WHATEVER the cause, this is clearly a very literal event, and right now the scenario parts are all in place - govts. and rich civilians building bunkers, some of the size of small cities, underground, for the past THIRTY years.
The placement of the Antarctic telescope, which is radiotelescope more than IR if IR at all, is very odd unless this is to track something coming in from the south.
This thing (never mind any stories about double suns and things in places in Orion and so forth) is allegedly BELOW THE ECLIPTIC so it would be invisible except from Tierra Del Fuego, maybe southern most New Zealand, and Antarctica where, hello, that telescope setup is.
Most Nibiru stuff is nonsense, I will give you that much.
Whatever is going on, long before the IRAS went up, the Navy held secret briefings of some brass in 1979, and see John Moore Global Warming What the Government Isn't Telling You on youtube (global warming is a scam to keep public from panicking about climate change). The information in that briefing was leaked here and there.
Interestingly enough, some bible thumping type cult back in 1994 or 1997, BEFORE Moore publishing that map in his lectures in 2008, had a map of FEMA camps, which was on a background substantially the same as that map, though slightly different.
The future earth maps of Cayce etc. only superficially resemble this.
CA WA and OR have a set of conflicting lines consistent with Moore's information that the Pacific NW is a siesmic nightmare and impossible to call, these would be alternative possible new shorelines.
Anon@3.02pm,
ReplyDeleteTechnology is now so good that we know all the objects orbiting the sun inside the orbit of Jupiter down to pretty small size, probably small enough for human life to withstand a collision with the earth (a km or two). BUT bigger stuff can come in from further out that we haven't seen yet; also, collisions between asteroids can reset their orbits in a way which could cause one of them to collide with the earth. In fact a large meteorite impact into the sea is easily the most plausible interpretation of Revelation 8:8. Nibiru, I've never heard of in any serious scientific context.
Physicist
Infrared technology is now so good that brown dwarves can be seen a long way away, and there isn't one close enough to trouble the earth in the forseeable future. If you are looking for trouble, see the scenarios I outlined just above at 3.41pm.
ReplyDeleteThe US govt is as leaky as a colander and I find the idea that THEY have known about an impending collision for decades to be wholly implausible. Not least because they would have been informed of it by scientists, and the mentality of the scientific community is to publicise, not to cover up.
Physicist
1. collision is not the issue. gravitational effects and the meteorite and asteroid trash its dragging with it are the issue.
ReplyDelete2. everybody and his brother in the scientific community doesn't get the first results of something. It can easily be filtered, because the whole space program NASA incl. only appears to be civilian, it is in fact under military control and always has been.
3. why would massive social destabilization resulting in massive economic destabilization be encouraged by either the responsible or the irresponsible who depend on the peons to produce for them? i.e., the elites.
Explain the BEHAVIOR that shows something big is expected.
Nibiru OR NOT a massive world wide disaster of an unprecedented sort IS PREDICTED IN REVELATION CHAPTER 6, right after the fourth horseman. We seem to be in the time of the third horseman (black for oil, and inflation but luxury goods still in play and a note about barley being cheaper than wheat, barley in Roman times was thought less classy than wheat, so that would be a point for survival and frugality minded people to consider, check into food value of weeds), moving into that of the fourth with all the death and famine and plagues and wars in the world in the past 20 years some before. Whether these horsemen were sharply sequential or overlap was not made clear.
Christine,
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more that disasters of unprecedented magnitude lie ahead according to the Book of Revelation, and are fairly close in view of globalisation. But unless we are going to go in for miracles then these disasters will have to be consistent with what science knows. Also, it is important not to become too attached to any one particular scenario that is consistent with Revelation, unless you can prove scripturally that no other scenario is consistent. Re brown dwarves specifically, please see my first para at 3.53pm. I'm not inclined to say more on these subjects.
I find it implausible that nobody in US Defence who knew about a hypothetical disaster from the heavens would not over 30 years tell wives and other loved ones, one of whom who would then leak it. Meanwhile, other scientists worldwide, not beholden to the US government, would find it independently. Sometimes it's less plausible that something be kept quiet than that it's fiction. My brief response to people who say the US never went to the moon is that it would have been harder to fake, given 1960s technology, than to actually go there.
Physicist
"I find it implausible that nobody in US Defence who knew about a hypothetical disaster from the heavens would not over 30 years tell wives and other loved ones, one of whom who would then leak it."
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly the leak scenarios for a lot of stuff kept hidden but out there. meanwhile, there is risk of loss of pension on the part of people who signed confidentiality agreements and so forth.
Why don't you just go watch John Moore's video and see HOW he came to all this information which he originally thought was nuts?
NIBIRU DOES NOT MATTER. The kind of cataclysm it would cause, is in the works ANYWAY, Revelation chapter 6.
Not far away, given the black to pale horse transition or more we have now. WW 3 would fulfill a lot of the pale horse's rider also, especially since "pale" would fit a cremello or perlino, something that occurred in Turkish especially Akhal Teke horses, and long before the Turkish invasions later, people were acquainted with massacre happy horsemen on such horses the Scyths and relatives, of which the turks
are just part. Turks are a large number of linguistic and culturally related people, ranging in looks from almost slavic to almost Mongol.
so back to square one. Let's look at issues of preparation for that disaster.
IT DOES NOT MATTER THE TECHNICAL CAUSE, NIBIRU, CRUSTAL DISPLACEMENT, OR DIRECT DIVINE ACTION.
It is written that it will happen so it is in the works. Period.
Nibiru could be total fake ditto Hapgood, and this will STILL happen with consequences similar to the nibiru and Hapgood scenarios.
Obama administration allowing the Chinese government to buy up U.S. oil and gas deposits worth billions of dollars...
ReplyDeleteIf we are trying to become independent of foreign oil, then why is the Obama administration allowing the Chinese government to buy up U.S. oil and gas deposits worth billions of dollars? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The United States desperately needs to maintain control over its own domestic energy resources so that we can end our addiction to foreign oil. As I have written about previously, the United States actually has plenty of oil. If we would simply use the resources that we already have, we would never have to import a single drop of foreign oil. But instead, we continue to be the largest importer of oil on the planet and we are allowing China to rapidly buy up oil and gas deposits inside the United States. This is fundamentally wrong and it is a serious threat to our national security. But apparently everything is for sale in the United States today, and that includes our precious energy resources.
For more...
http://tinyurl.com/7za3y87
if those oil deposits are tar sands, then they aren't that great, more trouble and cost for higher sulfur lower quality oil that needs more refining. But I don't know. And I agree, this is dead wrong.
ReplyDeleteAnon. 5:53....
ReplyDeleteCan you please explain what you mean by "total false prophet"??
I don't agree with his pretrib views, but other than that, they both are humble souls that aren't beyond changing their views as time rolls on. Plus, they preach the cross of Christ and His blood, which very few do anymore.
So... 'splain yourself.
Whoever is not against us is for us.
Marko
ReplyDeleteI could and have found many things that should prove that Van Impe is FALSE.
But is has been my experience that people will not believe until they are ready themselves.
Just google "Jack Van Impe false prophet" and you will find an abundance of info showing him to be a false prophet. Now, obviously with a search of this nature you will find that some things regarding Mr. Van Impe that are not true, BUT - there is plenty for you to verify through his quotes and predictions through the years that have been WRONG.
When you base your predictions on thousands of hours of "Bible study" and are wrong - you are not a man of God.
“If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him” (Deut. 18:22).
Besides - Rexalla gives me the creeps!!!!!
yes Rexalla is a tad wierd, but does Van Impe claim he has heard the word of God speaking out loud to him or just that he thinks he has some guidance maybe and the Scripture for sure says what is going to happen in the next month which it doesn't? There is a difference between claiming prophecy and being some analyst.
ReplyDeleteThe really seriously false prophets are the ones in the Vineyard and connected movements. Id on't charismatics or pentecostals of any kind anymore. I was always dubious.
God can operate in any environment He pleases but that doesn't mean the environment is godly in itself. Too fleshly and too much room for self deception and outright fraud.
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marko, I used to listen to Van Impe every week. I do not recall him prophesying anything except what is prophesied in the Bible already. He may have done so in more recent years, but I have tune in a few times on my computer (can't find him on TV since he left TBN) and I have heard nothing like this.. Just what the Bible says. Yes, he's pre-trib but bases it on the Bible, just as mid-tribbers and post-tribbers do. This is one area where you can get several points of view. I hope for his and Rexella's sake the rapture comes soon, as I believe both are over 80.
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