BEV TRAN IS MY RADIO GUEST TONIGHT ON WWW.THEMICROEFFECT.COM, 7 p.m. Eastern, 4 p.m. Pacific time. We will be discussing the "Hidden Dangers" of "Child Protective Services."
I did have a life, even before becoming an attorney and a published author. That life was a political one which taught me many good lessons before coming into the extreme controversy I encountered after releasing my research on the New Age Movement in 1981-1982. Pictures from my attic which I just found might be of slight interest to some. One is my leaving the legislature to work as "Executive Assistant to the Mayor" of Highland Park, Michigan, the Honorable Robert B. Blackwell starting September 21, 1970. The other is of me presenting a City Council Resolution to Dave Bing (now the Mayor of Detroit) in early February, 1971. Wish I could look like I did then, but know what I do now. Don't we all!
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| The Highland Parker September 24, 1970 |
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| The Highland Parker, February 15, 1971
Keep the discussion going on the last post and stay tuned. I'm off to Indiana for my 50th High School class reunion (Class of 1962).
CONSTANCE
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 369 of 369"JESUIT Teilhard de Chardin is known as the father of the New Age Movement."
By whom? Not by me and I am as evangelical as protestants come. New Age in the West has its most obvious roots in the 19th century spiritualist movement. Helena Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society in 1875. Teilhard was certainly New Age, but he had not even been born then.
Christine:
I join the handful of others in refuting some of your claims, so that mainly other readers do not leave this blog misinformed.
Every point in your post of 12:04 PM can be debated, but some of what you said is just plain incorrect.
To start with, Middle Eastern terrorism did NOT get most of its skills from the CIA (only the small band of anti-Soviet Mujahedeen were trained thus, in an effort to help the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan fail) - it is mostly a child of the KGB, who saw in the Palestinian "struggle" (among other similar Arab radical groups) comrades in arms who could be mobilized in the war against the West.
From an interview that was published in Front Page Magazine, we have the following from Ion Pacepa, who was a high-ranking KGB officer in Romania:
FP: Tell us about the PLO and its connection to the Soviet regime.
Pacepa: The PLO was dreamt up by the KGB, which had a penchant for “liberation” organizations. There was the National Liberation Army of Bolivia, created by the KGB in 1964 with help from Ernesto “Che” Guevara. Then there was the National Liberation Army of Colombia, created by the KGB in 1965 with help from Fidel Castro, which was soon deeply involved in kidnappings, hijackings, bombings and guerrilla warfare. In later years the KGB also created the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which carried out numerous bombing attacks on the “Palestinian territories” occupied by Israel, and the “Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia,” created by the KGB in 1975, which organized numerous bombing attacks against US airline offices in Western Europe.
In 1964 the first PLO Council, consisting of 422 Palestinian representatives handpicked by the KGB, approved the Palestinian National Charter—a document that had been drafted in Moscow. The Palestinian National Covenant and the Palestinian Constitution were also born in Moscow, with the help of Ahmed Shuqairy, a KGB influence agent who became the first PLO chairman. (During the Six-Day War he escaped from Jerusalem disguised as a woman, thereafter becoming such a symbol within the bloc intelligence community that one of its later influence operations—aimed at making the West consider Arafat a moderate—was given the codename “Shuqairy.”) This new PLO was headed by a Soviet-style Executive Committee made up of 15 members who, like their comrades in Moscow, also headed departments. As in Moscow—and Bucharest—the chairman of the Executive Committee became the general commander of the armed forces as well. The new PLO also had a General Assembly, which was the Soviet-inspired name given to all East European parliaments after World War II.
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Based on another “socialist division of labor,” the Romanian espionage service (DIE) was responsible for providing the PLO with logistical support. Except for the arms, which were supplied by the KGB and the East German Stasi, everything else came from Bucharest. Even the PLO uniforms and the PLO stationery were manufactured in Romania free of charge, as a “comradely help.” During those years, two Romanian cargo planes filled with goodies for the PLO landed in Beirut every week, and were unloaded by Arafat’s men.
FP: You have discussed your personal knowledge of how Arafat was created and cultivated by the KGB and how the Soviets actually designed him to be the future leader of the PLO. Illuminate this picture for us please.
Pacepa: “Tovarishch Mohammed Abd al-Rahman Abd al-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini, nom de guerre Abu Ammar,” was built into a Palestinian leader by the KGB in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. In that war Israel humiliated two of the Soviet Union’s most important allies in the Arab world of that time, Egypt and Syria, and the Kremlin thought that Arafat could help repair the Soviet prestige. Arafat had begun his political career as leader of the Palestinian terrorist organization al-Fatah, whose fedayeen were being secretly trained in the Soviet Union. In 1969, the KGB managed to catapult him up as chairman of the PLO executive committee. Egyptian ruler Gamal Abdel Nasser, who was also a Soviet puppet, publicly proposed the appointment.
Soon after that, the KGB tasked Arafat to declare war on American “imperial-Zionism” during the first summit of the Black International, an organization that was also financed by the KGB. Arafat claimed to have coined the word “imperial-Zionism,” but in fact Moscow had invented this battle cry many years earlier, combining the traditionally Russian anti-Semitism with the new Marxist anti-Americanism.
[Sun, May 27]
Forgot the link to the above article. Here it is:
http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2009/12/from-russia-with-terror.html
wow talk about flooding a blog, why all these multiple identical posts?
The article mentions Reagan was into lucky numbers etc. and astrology dictated timing his formal actions, something he had to agree to knowing what it was.
That he would dump the story after hearing it was from an occultist, if true, only shows he was savvy to the PR problems this presented. Hollywood in his time and now was and is full of people who deliberately sought help from spirits to get their acting and writing jobs done.
the way "the great communicator" spun a story and an atmosphere and the kind of dreamy but gung ho state of mind he could induce, well, that is a form of magick in itself.
RC and Nazism, the RC indeed is a mixed bag of tricks. HOWEVER, Hitler and co. intended to go after Christianity soon as he got done with the Jews. a step by step process, restoration of the more violent forms of europaganism as the goal.
Bailey said (or said her spirit guide or whatever said) that the goal of uniting Europe had been attempted BY AN INITIATE using the Rhine as the central point or something like this, but failed. Obviously that "initiate" was Hitler.
The actual instead of nominal Christian status of RC higher ups can be questioned. Seems there is an entrenched satanist personnel faction in the Vatican, and something I read somewhere mentioned that daily or weekly there were reports to the Vatican of RC priests doing Black Masses on the side, and this having to be dealt with, but also the scandal prevented from scaring the faithful.
Remember the goal of Bailey et. al. is extermination of ALL Christians incl. RC. so RC as NAM element is really RC as useful idiot of the NAM
Finally, on the matter of early testimony to the transformation, the site used http://www.studytoanswer.net/rcc/rvb_mass.html admits that the second century and somewhat later writers seem to cling to the "error" of a transformation, WHICH IS IN ITSELF TESTIMONY TO THE EARLY CHURCH STATUS OF THIS BELIEF,
But twists their obvious words and context to claim that this goes against transubstantiation ENTIRELY.
Now, the key issue of transubstantiation or transformation, is not whether or not the bread and wine change TOTALLY but whether they change AT ALL.
The early church seems to have held to a position now rejected by RC and I think EO, that bread and wine remained BUT THAT ALSO THERE WAS NOW THE LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.
As for resacrificing, though unfortunate statements resembling this have occurred, this is not what is done. It is a RE-PRESENTATION OF THE SAME SACRIFICE, not a re doing a separate new sacrifice.
He is what Justin Martyr says in his First Apology, apparently the site referred to by the poster neglects to show this part, which destroys the point made by merely showing the reference to rememberance, which in context is not memory only but rememberance act as a means of acquisition of the reality and not a memory only.
"so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, IS THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF THAT JESUS who was made flesh.
" For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me,1912 this is My body;” and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood;” and gave it to them alone. Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn."
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.ii.lxvi.html
C/J/I, you really love hot gossip. It doesn't matter if you have documentation. You just spill it out as if it was true. Because you occasionally present a link, you want others to believe everything you spit out has documentation somewhere. It's an interesting game you play, whether it's meant to make yourself feel important or whether you are part of some group that is deliberately manipulating. Everyone reading here needs to ask themselves if there is documentation for every single word. I have a reason for making this comment.
By the way, you should give credit to Constance for the information you get from her research, such as "the goal of uniting Europe had been attempted BY AN INITIATE using the Rhine as the central point." She documents.
You probably got your information about the Black Mass from Malachi Martin's book, Windswept House.
I know Constance has met you personally.
I may have read it first in Constance's works, but I have read it elsewhere and the source is Bailey's stuff itself ultimately.
I give information I have put together over years and years of research, and I have given some links good to start anyone who pursues links on those site and uses google for key words given and also book titles.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and trust no one entirely.
No, I did not get that info from Windswept House, which book I have only skimmed online. too much story line and verbiage, I hate fiction.
This was a much more recent source and I forget where I read it.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=vatican+priests+black+mass+weekly+reports&oq=vatican+priests+black+mass+weekly+reports&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...1100.10003.0.10490.41.37.0.4.4.0.234.3475.19j17j1.37.0...0.0.kJvzmJ5CUgk
This is a link to a lot of articles one of which may contain that info. But to judge by the excerpts showing, you will find a lot more.
Incidentally, protestant and non denominational charismatic churches have had a rash of sexual problems also. The EO seems to be catching up (sarcasm) but is still with a lot less of this.
I read once that satanists like to use defrocked priests to make the eucharist for them to defile, but don't always trust them to do this, they might decide to be loyal to Christ and give unconsecrated hosts to use. (only a few satanists have paranormal vision that will let them know the difference.) So some will have people living a double life get an ordination or consecration from a vagante group. Or, it would seem, have members get into the RC to get ordained to do it. The latter is my own suspicion because of the information.
The earlier approach reported from the Middle Ages, was for a layperson to take communion, but retain the Host in his or her mouth.
On EWTN I once saw an elderly woman walking away from taking communion, and I don't recall if she had taken it in the hand or on the tongue, but she seemed to take something out of her mouth.
Whether this was because she was an uber traditionalist who thought this novus ordo mass was phony and had been bulldogged into going to it and taking communion, or because she had a darker agenda, I have no idea.
I recall reading that in Constance's book, but I have read it many times elsewhere, and her source is of course Bailey's own stuff, the sort of new age material some people expect researchers to stay away from.
I did NOT get that info about the black mass from Malachi Martin's book, this is a much more recent thing. I don't recall where I read it, online, but here is a google search you can pursue and probably find it or similar information
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=black+mass+priests+weekly+reports+vatican&oq=black+mass+priests+weekly+reports+vatican&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...1190.9286.0.10461.43.40.1.2.3.0.153.3313.22j18.40.0...0.0.A_L63ocCiis
my information came from YEARS and YEARS of research and does not depend on one link. I have often posted links and search terms to use on Google to research all this. no one source will give you the whole picture. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
When I do post a link, I expect people to follow through on the subject or follow at least links on that page to sources etc.
When you get a link, do you expect it to be authoritative, almost papal in nature, and pure and perfect and all there is to the story?
Then you are chasing a figment of your imagination because there is no such thing. The closest approximation might be found by reading everything at two or three massive research locations, bearing in mind that the compilers often have their own agendas. For instance, Alex Constantine is apparently amoral and worships rock and roll. But ignoring that, you will see he give a lot of information from sources you can check.
An extremely good video on chemtrails and transhumanism and morgellon's disease, is good because of the lab work described. But it ends with the speaker advocating consciousness nonsense to deal with all this.
surely a sensible person can gain from the video and mentally cut out the end recommendation? I guess everyone who complained (or did I post that here or not? I don't recall) are simpletons. I do hope God keeps protecting you. I have no idea what will happen absent special divine intervention, or His just placing you where you have minimal need of brains and discernment and selectivity.
oops, I didn't check that "newer" until i checked again and still didn't see my original post number 201.
To Anonymous @ 5:26 PM:
Re: "GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN"
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LOL. Well, it sounds like Satan has answered your request and is clearly standing 'behind' you and blowing LIES in your ear!!!
Actually the quote belongs to Foster Bailey, not Alice. However, Constance is still the reason that passage is recognizable to anyone.
Actually the quote belongs to Foster Bailey, not Alice. However, Constance is still the reason that passage is recognizable to anyone.
Frankly I had forgotten I had read that in Constance's books, which I read back in the 1980s. I have since read it many places online and in books against the NAM.
Constance did groundbreaking work on the NAM as a network hellbent on exterminating Christians, infiltrating the churches, and connectable to the Nazis. Probably most of the other sources rely in turn on her. Before that, it was more standard warnings against occult practices and Eastern mysticism getting into popular American culture, though the occult thing goes back almost to colonial times.
Christine,
Quoting something does not mean it is true. The Washington Post article begins "Ronald Reagan had an interest in lucky numbers and newspaper horoscopes" but provides no evidence. The Post was anti-Reagan, and the claim could perfectly well be based on the Don Regan book about NANCY Reagan. She was not POTUS and she will be judged by God separately from her husband. Before you tell me that I should hunt for sources myself, yes I have read Don Regan's book. Have you?
"That he would dump the story after hearing it was from an occultist, if true, only shows he was savvy to the PR problems this presented."
That is one possible explanation. An alternative is that he was horrified to learn of the true source. Until we know more, you cannot dismiss this alternative.
"the way "the great communicator" spun a story and an atmosphere and the kind of dreamy but gung ho state of mind he could induce, well, that is a form of magick in itself."
Contemptible nonsense. Being a good speaker with the power to sway crowds is not occult.
Also: although you haven't read Windswept House, can you be sure that YOUR sources for the black mass didn't take it from that book? Real research means going back to sources and testing their reliability. And I think you need a tutorial on citing. If you give a reference, it implies that: (1) you understand the material in it and are citing it to back up what you are saying; (2) you agree with it, unless you specifically state parts of it from which you dissent. That is how academics work and how the reputable sectors of the media work. It is demonstrably not how you work, and you should not be surprised if people here complain. Furthermore, making a claim and then telling people to verify it for themselves is discourteous, lazy and not even in your own interest.
An extremely good video on chemtrails and transhumanism and morgellon's disease, is good because of the lab work described. But it ends with the speaker advocating consciousness nonsense to deal with all this.
Belief in chemtrails would be funny if not tragic. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails
"JESUIT Teilhard de Chardin is known as the father of the New Age Movement."
I STAND BY THIS STATEMENT, JESUIT!
There are many that have exposed the NAM movement and for quite some time now, not only CC and her hidden agenda.
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To Anonymous @ 5:26 PM:
Re: "GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN"
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"LOL. Well, it sounds like Satan has answered your request and is clearly standing 'behind' you and blowing LIES in your ear!!!
12:03 AM"
You mock a phrase which is Biblical in origin. May God have mercy on your corrupt Jesuit-supporting soul, LOCUST! GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!
THE ONLY ONE TWISTING THINGS ABOUT JUSTIN THE MARTYR IS YOU CHRISTINE!
THIS IS HIS TRUE OPINION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NO!
Justin Martyr (110-165 AD)"
"Now it is evident, that in this prophecy allusion is made to the bread which our Christ gave us to eat, IN REMEMBRANCE of His being made flesh for the sake of His believers, for whom also He suffered; and to the cup which He gave us to drink, IN REMEMBRANCE of His own blood, with giving of thanks."16
"Here, Justin states that the bread and the cup were given to Christians for the purpose of remembrance. Not only this, but he also indicates that the remembrance denoted by the bread and wine was that of Christ's being made flesh and suffering for us, not of a presentation of the actual flesh and blood. Thus, Justin is expousing a commemorative view of the Lord's Supper."
""JESUIT Teilhard de Chardin is known as the father of the New Age Movement."...I STAND BY THIS STATEMENT"
Stand by it as long as you like, but it isn't true. The Theosophical Society, which has contributed more strands to the New Age movement than anything else has, was founded before Teilhard was born, and was influential from the start.
To be clear, I agree that Teilhard was New Age, and I disapprove. But he was not the founder.
A. Prot
I put it to you that CC´s exposure of the NAM may be the ´reaction´ or ántithesis´ part in the Hegelian dialectic employed by Rome and her Jesuit Locusts.
There´s Pierre T. de Chardin and his NAM promotion (Benny XVI loves his ideas): Problem or Thesis
Then there´s CC with her ´warnings´: Antithesis or Reaction.
Then comes Ecumenicism under the control of the Romish ´church´:
Synthesis or Solution!
Many have written against theosophy from a Christian standpoint long before CC came on the scene. Do your own research!
I´d much rather trust Christian writers, whose works are contemporaneous with hers, such as Dave Hunt and Randall Baer, than CC, due to her refusal to deal properly with the NAM of the RC. Why is that? I ask rhetorically.
Time to wake up folks!
I put it to you that CC´s exposure of the NAM may be the ´reaction´ or ántithesis´ part in the Hegelian dialectic employed by Rome and her Jesuit Locusts.
There´s Pierre T. de Chardin and his NAM promotion (Benny XVI loves his ideas): Problem or Thesis
Then there´s CC with her ´warnings´: Antithesis or Reaction.
Then comes Ecumenicism under the control of the Romish ´church´:
Synthesis or Solution!
Many have written against theosophy from a Christian standpoint long before CC came on the scene. Do your own research!
I´d much rather trust Christian writers, whose works are contemporaneous with hers, such as Dave Hunt and Randall Baer, than CC, due to her refusal to deal properly with the NAM of the RC. Why is that? I ask rhetorically.
Time to wake up folks!
Constance, please would you delete all second and third identical copies of posts here?
Justin Martyr - didn't twist a thing, I cut and pasted HIS EXACT WORDS and gave the link. That he also said the words you quote, does not mean he didn't say the others also, he wrote two things, and THESE ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY, rememberance is the first step to the consecration. The symbol is filled with the reality, and this by God not by the priest but at the priest's request. In EO it is the priest AND the laity who say Amen several times to the prayers of consecration, and after the words of institution The Holy Spirit is invoked to make the transformation. (Epiklesis.)
CC criticism - ecumenism is part of the thesis. Constance's focus has mostly been on the evangelical and protestant scene, which is even more infiltrated at the
doctrinal and practical level than RC is. RC has a fixed doctrine that is not subject to personal variations per the preacher's mindset etc. and still be legitimately RC. This is not the case with the whole protestant - evangelical scene.
Therefore, all the NAM elements in RC are ipso facto deviant, something the traditionalists for all their problematicalness recognize. But a whole denomination might get started in protestantism with new age or proto new age notions in on the ground floor.
Now, a weakness in RC is that they allow all kinds of visions and devotionals, and a few even get into the Mass and public devotions, though they do not require ANY visions to be accepted by the laity, it is up to them once it is determined that the origin is supernatural and not obviously demonic. (I think some things slipped past them.)
Ecumenism is engaged in by RC in order to draw others into RC. However, it seems to involve watering the faith down at times, according to RC traditionalist and uber traditionalist complaints.
I think this is the reason "CC" hasn't focussed on Rome much.
How much of the Teilhard appreciation is done with major reservations? I don't like it at all, however.
Teilhard is not the father of the NAM, merely a major contributor to the quasi Christian side of it.
To Anonymous @ 5:07 AM:
LOL again....pot meet kettle!!!
A few of you 'cafeteria Protestants' spend a lot of time on this blog 'mocking phrases of biblical origin'....very selectively choosing the ones you like vs. those which you 'decide' (on your own) to throw out because they don't fit your argument!!!
MATTHEW 26:28
[26] And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. [27] And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. [28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins. [Matthew 26:28] [Latin] [29] And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father. [30] And a hymn being said, they went out unto mount Olivet.
[26] This is my body: He does not say, This is the figure of my body, but This is my body. (2 Council of Nice, Act. 6.) Neither does he say in this, or with this is my body; but absolutely, This is my body: which plainly implies TRANSUBSTANTIATION.
[27] Drink ye all of this: This was spoken to the twelve apostles; who were all then present; and they all drank of it, says St. Mark 14. 23. But it no ways follows from these words spoken to the apostles, that all the faithful are here commanded to drink of the chalice; any more than that all the faithful are commanded to consecrate, offer and administer this sacrament; because Christ upon this same occasion, and at the same time, bid the apostles do so; in these words, St. Luke 22. 19, Do this for a commemoration of me.
[28] Blood of the new testament: As the old testament was dedicated with the blood of victims, by Moses, in these words: This is the blood of the testament, etc., Heb. 9. 20; so here is the dedication and institution of the new testament, in the blood of Christ, here mystically shed by these words: This is the blood of the new testament, etc.
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NOW, WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS WAS MERELY SPEAKING SYMBOLICALLY OR METAPHORICALLY??? NOWHERE!!!
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT THE APOSTLES ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION OR AN EXPLANATION??? NOWHERE!!!
The beloved disciple, John was an eyewitness to the events of the Last Supper.
Jn 6:53-56
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."
Jn 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.
Jn 6:53
Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Jn 6:54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life.
Jn 6:55
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
Jn 6:56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
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SINCE JESUS IS GOD ~ AND GOD DOES NOT LIE ~ THE LITERALNESS OF HIS WORDS: "THIS S MY BODY; THIS IS MY BLOOD" MUST BE BELIEVED.
Congratulations to all of you Catholic-bashers....for making the leaders of the New Age Movement so very happy and proud!!! You are helping them fulfill their goal and agenda of 'divide and conquer'....making it so much easier for them to justify that day in the future when the practice of ALL traditional Judeo-Christian religions will be declared against the law.
Someone has at last raised John 6 in defense of transubstantiation. This passage follows one of Jesus’ miraculous feedings of a hungry multitude. In another of his great “I AM” statements, Jesus calls himself the bread of life which people eat (6:35). This was a Messianic claim, recognisable by Jews who knew their scriptures. (Deuteronomy 8:3 stated that man lives off every word from the mouth of God.) At the same time Jesus is giving spiritual illustrations of Christian living; we do not physically eat the bread of life, just as we do not physically pass through Jesus Christ as a door. In John 6 Jesus chides his audience for misunderstandings of this sort, and explained that those who came to him would never go hungry (6:35). What does he provide to feed them? His word, which is life (6:63); and (at 6:51) his flesh, to be given for the life of the world (not just for the faithful – i.e., he means the cross). In the same verse he goes so far as to say that his flesh is the bread of life. But he has described his flesh as bread, not vice-versa as transubstantiation has it. When he then says that people must eat his flesh (and drink his blood), the preceding verses indicate that this is a dramatic metaphor for the bread of life. Why does Jesus choose such a startling phrase, which is contrary to Mosaic Law about dead bodies (Numbers 19) and ingesting blood? He often addressed a crowd in an elliptical way which would be heard differently by the faithful (who knew their scriptures) and the indifferent, whereas to an audience of committed followers he makes things clearer (see Mark 4:33-34). He is testing this crowd in that way. If he had chosen to speak plainly, he would have had a ready answer to their question of what it meant to eat his flesh and drink his blood, and his answer would not have been transubstantiation because this discourse took place before the Last Supper. Transubstantiation drives an ox-cart through the subtlety with which Jesus is speaking.
Moreover, this teaching came long before the Last Supper; Catholics who assume that Jesus had Communion in mind with these words are assuming part of what they wish to prove. We may, of course, suppose that Jesus had this teaching in mind when he instituted Communion at the Last Supper, for he chose words (“this is my body, this is my blood”) which can hardly fail to evoke the incident. Why did he do that? In Communion we should remember that we feed on Jesus in the ways he stated during that discourse – just as God sustained his people on manna-bread during the Exodus. That is what Paul means in 1 Corinthians 11:27 too. If Holy Communion symbolises anything, it is the internalisation of the faith that corresponds to the movement from law to grace.
Don´t worry! I speak out against the New Age Movement as well as the falsehoods of Romanism, I do not favor one set of false beliefs over another, even when the first mentioned is birthed by the second. Down with Romanism, down with the new age movement, down with anything that takes people away from the Gospel Truth that Salvation in found ONLY in our Lord Jesus Christ. Not in a pope, not in ourselves, not in Mary as Co-Redeptrix, but in Jesus Christ alone!
The Pope is the Antichrist! & a freemason! MUST SEE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=i9YiOvKGMQs
Proof Pope Benedict is a Freemason: Facilitating Mystery Babylon Masonic Third Temple Ecumenicalism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yOjjqqOtmA
The New Age movement is an offshoot of other movements, only it is well organized. Occult/pagan practices probably go back to the beginning of time. The New Age movement is a deliberate joining of occult organizations with political organizations by well connected individuals with power. The organizations supporting it have been growing for over a 100 years. That's the difference.
Do not underestimate the intelligence of those involved in growing that movement. Many people follow Judaism and Christianity without examination. A much smaller group sees the flaws in organized religion but not its value. It takes wisdom to move beyond that and few have developed that. A portion of those in the middle believe they have developed a better system to make the world a better place. They are filled with pride and lack wisdom.
Because so little information has been shared about the organized concrete aspects of the New Age movement, it has become very easy to turn the heads of people.
Cumbey put the pieces together in one book that was easy to understand which is why it sold so well. Few who read the book were willing to go further in knowing what it is. Her research goes into much greater depth. Those who can't go past what appeared in her first book are not ready to pursue further information. For example information on the Alliance of Civilizations was presented here. I remember only a few people picking up on that information,examining it further and letting others know what they found. Most people just want to sit on their heinies, give opinions and let others do the hard work of research.
Infiltration into churches, synagogues and political movements by those who have absorbed New Age ideas is quite easy because so very few have any ideas what the are the concrete aspects of New Age. Little tidbits of information presented in an unorganized manner won't make any difference.
Saying that New Age is complex and then going off and attacking religions is a tactic used by propagandists for New Age. Telling others follow this or that religion is useless in saving people from being seduced by New Age ideas if you can't tell them what New Age is.
THIS KEEPS DISAPPEARING!
Don´t worry! I speak out against the New Age Movement as well as the falsehoods of Romanism, I do not favor one set of false beliefs over another, even when the first mentioned is birthed by the second. Down with Romanism, down with the new age movement, down with anything that takes people away from the Gospel Truth that Salvation in found ONLY in our Lord Jesus Christ. Not in a pope, not in ourselves, not in Mary as Co-Redeptrix, but in Jesus Christ alone!
The Pope is the Antichrist! & a freemason! MUST SEE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=i9YiOvKGMQs
Proof Pope Benedict is a Freemason: Facilitating Mystery Babylon Masonic Third Temple Ecumenicalism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yOjjqqOtmA
Hello 8:56 a.m.,
Jesus said do this in Rememberance of Me--the remembering is the over and over again part. Not the actual literal Sacrifice of Christ to be repeated (as though relegated to a cracker and cup). Jesus' Once For All Time Sacrifice was Sufficient and at His Resurrection was then seated at the Right Hand of God. Why is it necessary in some people's minds that Jesus is still perpetually performing His Own Sacrifice when the Father was obviously Satisfied at His Blood Payment from the Cross and has His Son seated with Him Right Now--Those Scars should be enough for us too then, when i read Scripture, why not enough for you??? (still stuck in copy and shadow mode rather than looking to the Mediator of the Better Covenant perhaps?) i respectfully ask that you reread Hebrews chapter 8. It's referring that the old way of sacrifice has been surpassed in the Better Covenant which is the Completed Work of the Cross and only remembering and honoring it in a wafer and cup is-not sacremental-but ordinance only. Repentant Trusting in Jesus Sacred Atonement Alone-and not our ability to fulfill a sacremental duty is all the Faith required. God bless you as you read from God's Holy Word. I pray for more understanding of these Glorious Truths myself.
The real IRONY here is that those of you who attempt to 'debate' against the Transubstantiation are in reality trying to argue with Jesus Christ Himself....as these are HIS words and teachings!!!
Sure, Anon@11:52 AM, and when Jesus said that he was a door (John 10:9) that means He was made of wood?
There is a genuine debate to be had here, but it moved beyond the level of comments like that some time ago.
I will neither compromise with the Babylonian New Age nor the Mother of All Harlots Babylon the Great, the Romish ´church´from whence it came.
Down with your ecumenical movement. I will serve the Lord Jesus Christ only and not false teachings about a false "Co-Redeptrix", and bowing to a pope!
The Holy Spirit is the Vicar of Jesus Christ not some man that calls himself pope nor Mohammed, nor some so-called maitreya!
Like I said...
You are 'arguing' with Jesus...not ME!!!
So would Anon at 12:36 PM be arguing with Jesus Christ by stating that Jesus Christ was and is not made of wood?
Or does Jesuiut Pinocchio of 1:41PM want to lie about that too?
So would Anon at 12:36 PM be arguing with Jesus Christ by stating that Jesus Christ was and is not made of wood?
Or does Jesuit Pinocchio of 1:41PM want to lie about that too?
The Pope is the Antichrist! & a freemason! MUST SEE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9YiOvKGMQs
Hey, stay tuned...
Maybe a rock will fall out of the sky, and knock some sense into your head...giving you an 'answer' to your silly question.
Now, Satan...stop getting 'behind' these pseudo 'Christians' and whispering evil lies in their ears!!!
"Jesuiut"???
1:44 PM - you need to learn how to spell BEFORE you post!!!
Did someone post a recipe for fruitcake here? All of the ingredients are coming together.
Oooooh, now Jesus isn't going to be happy with you calling Him a 'fruitcake.'
1. i oppose the papacy, so does EO it is one of the break points between EO and RC.
2. "Why does Jesus choose such a startling phrase, which is contrary to Mosaic Law about dead bodies (Numbers 19) and ingesting blood? "
excellent point, until you consider that that always had to do with eating of dead animals, not eating the blood of one still alive.
Jesus was alive during the first eucharist, the blood teleported into the wine (if that idea willhelp clarify) was from one alive. No more eucharists were done until He was Resurrected, so the blood teleported and multiplied like the loaves and fishes were multiplied, is always from The One Who is Alive.
(This also means that the African tribe that eats blood from a nick in the neck vein of a live cow into a bowl, then sealed so she doesn't bleed out, would not be in violation of that law either.)
3. Transubstantiation properly is not just about the transformation. It is about how and when and is a rationalistic attempt to figure it all out. As one Orthodox apologist put it, you under stand the Trinity? then you don't understand the Trinity. If you think you understand a mystery then you don't understand it.
The EO teaches the transformation, and depends on The Holy Spirit to do it, at the request of the priest and people, NOT on the priest having some power per se.
BTW Jesus isnot pulled down out of heaven, He sends some of Himself out of heaven, and the rememberance and symbol is the conduit for the reality.
THE SACRIFICE IS NOT REPEATED.
The once and only Sacrifice is plugged into and that Blood once shed is not shed again but presented an ongoing thing. It is HIS Blood as He said, this cup is the cup of My Blood of the New Covenant which will be shed and whether specific individual red blood cells that spilled are present again is irrelevant, the continuity of His Blood is still His blood just like the continuity of the blood of any one of us is the blood of any one of us.
"Contemptible nonsense. Being a good speaker with the power to sway crowds is not occult."
you have very little understanding of the psychological side of occultism. power to sway crowds and the condition inducted is AT BEST fleshly, though particularly if a rush is experienced, or a big emotional choke up, it is thought by the fleshly to be a "spiritual" experience.
you need to study the concept of enchantment. Being carried along on a surge is a wonderful feeling that anyone can have regarding anything REGARDLESS OF CONTENT. Totally contrary content can produce the same feelings. Hmmmm. Interesting.
Crowds swayed by speakers supporting exactly opposite positions and values, and sent off even to kill each other, EXPERIENCE IDENTICAL FEELINGS AND PATTERNS, and their hearts surge with identical drives, regardless of direction or ideological or religious content or national loyalty.
Can you spell deception?
Windswept House - apparently describes a black mass held in the Vatican in some small chapel, and a simultaneous one held in the US where the blood sacrifice was done. This was not routine but a special event.
What is referred to by someone who had RECENT information, is activities of priests in various countries, and that reports and complaints come into the Vatican about this.
Fr. Gabrielle Amorth the Vatican head exorcist has recently repeated the position he always held, that a high profile disappearance of the teenaged daughter of a Vatican employee in the 1980s, was done for sex parties involving Vatican staff.
If your reference to Windswept House is because you figure only Malachi Martin came up with this stuff and that he is unreliable (and he was a grandstander of sorts), he is not the only source for this kind of claim only the first to go to the general public.
There are many many other sources and people who have run into rumors of this from locals over the decades. The black mass throughout its history relied heavily on priests, defrocked but still with their priestly powers because "once a priest always a priest" or in good standing as RC priests.
Whatever "Rome" (which isn't Rome its just the office of the bishop not the secular govt. thereof and never was} or the pope are up to or whoever incl. the popes at times were secret masons etc., has no bearing on the legitimacy or lack thereof of specific doctrines.
All the things RC is infamous for are in violation of their own doctrines and rules. Though casuistry can make it seem otherwise to some among them.
Me: "Contemptible nonsense. Being a good speaker with the power to sway crowds is not occult."
Christine: "you have very little understanding of the psychological side of occultism."
Granted that I should have said "Being a good speaker with the power to sway crowds is not necessarily occult." I believe Hitler's facility was occult, for instance. But you must present evidence that Reagan's was before making a wild statement that his way with crowds was occult. And you should not assume I know nothing about occult enchantment more generally.
Jesus is posting here? Talk about delusion!!
"This also means that the African tribe that eats blood from a nick in the neck vein of a live cow into a bowl, then sealed so she doesn't bleed out, would not be in violation of that law either."
Genesis 9:4 (to all mankind, the Noahide covenant, unlike the Mosaic covenant never brought to a close in Christ) prohibits the eating of meat with the blood still in it. The Law of Moses is specific that ancient Israelites must not consume, specifically, blood. This is reiterated to Christians in Acts 15:29. (That "abstain from blood" refers here to murder is nonsensical given that that command is repeated elsewhere in Christ's teaching and that it comes here between two other dietary regulations.) Blood is special. It is sacred to God, it signifies life. I have no problem with blood transfusions which are to save life, which is itself sacred, but blood is not to be used merely to satisfy human hunger. I had to stop eating shot game birds when I came to understand this, and I looked into slaughterhouse techniques. (Most animals are bled - there is no need to go to a kosher butcher.) I urge you to rethink this, Christine.
Rule no. 1, when in doubt, don't.
Acts passage says to abstain from fornication, from blood, from things sacrificed to idols, and from things strangled.
THINGS STRANGLED would be about blood, even now there are those who go out of their way to keep blood in meat or add it back in for flavor. Wringing a chicken's neck instead of chopping off the head is a case in point.
McDonald's adds blood into the meat, I forget where I read this, but it seemed credible at the time.
From blood WOULD be about murder, but THINGS STRANGLED would be about meat that has had zero exsanguination.
Merely cutting the throat which is all the Mosaic law requires, and yes this goes back to Noah as I think I pointed out, DOES NOT get all the blood out. The kosher style goes beyond into slicing, washing and even rubbing with salt and washing that off to get rid of traces. But this is a development of the nitpicky past centuries AD.
One could eat a game bird that you cut open and squeeze and drain blood before it can coagulate, ditto game large animals taken with a head shot. A body shot would cause bleeding out into the body cavity, in either case, which blood is then gotten rid of when you cut the body cavity open. Internal hemorrhage.
Things strangled highlights a TOTAL LACK of exsanguination.
And in all cases it addresses eating dead animals, because normally they are dead when eaten.
We do not have large enough mouths to pop something in and eat it alive, except a mouse, which was prohibited anyway.
Now, there are people out there who like to drink blood of living humans. While this may not be non kosher so to speak, may not be under the Noahide prohibition, It is VERY risky for two reasons.
1. the context is often satanic chic, rarely involves people who really are affected positively by this, and this would involve evil in itself, and those who might go to such a blood bar as some called such parties, not interested in satan just a blood source, risk psychic contamination because of the context.
This would fit the category, almost of "things sacrificed to idols."
2. disease, physical and paraphysical. in the latter category, drinking someone's blood is a dandy way to pick up psychic cooties so to speak from them. Many vampires cannot filter and the energy feeding category have to be picky who they feed off, and the sanguinarian category would have the same problem without even realizing it.
So in general, stay away from blood.
Christians in the west, thanks to RC slacking and not enforcing the no blood thing, rarely understand this. EO has always maintained this prohibition, in theory, though parts of it too affected by local culture and not thinking, and canons not being taught to laity, are slack also.
"But you must present evidence that Reagan's was before making a wild statement that his way with crowds was occult. And you should not assume I know nothing about occult enchantment more generally."
Just look at the effects. Some people have an inherent ability in these directions. Even poetry and novels written certain ways can be part of this sort of thing, IT IS THE MOOD CREATED that is the issue.
I didn't say you didn't know about the occult but the PSYCHOLOGICAL side of it.
By now all of you have probably heard about the two cannibals in Florida. At Godfather Politics the writer did an article asking if we are, as evolution claims, (and as New Age claims - my comment), we are all part of one life stream, then can cannibalism be wrong? The blog is very conservative. He shows that when you take evolution seriously you end up with questions like that.
Then again some of Obama's friends operate at the level of a zucchini.
http://godfatherpolitics.com/5401/story-of-man-eating-another-man-is-disturbing-but-is-it-wrong/
No Christine I don't want to hear your take on cannibalism.
I don't like cannibalism. This FL incident is a case of Alex Jones being wrong. The video if you look really closely before it zooms in, you can see motion and that one man was on top of another, all you can see are the legs.
But Jones only looks at the zoom in which is after one apparently was shot, and they are not touching.
So he concludes this was totally phony to give a rationale for more police and army presence on the streets.
"At Godfather Politics the writer did an article asking if we are, as evolution claims, (and as New Age claims - my comment), we are all part of one life stream, then can cannibalism be wrong? The blog is very conservative. He shows that when you take evolution seriously you end up with questions like that."
I think that you should play on this result of New Age (bring it up as part of that) and evolutionary thinking and use it against them.
Then bring up Soylent Green.
New Age is more condemnable than evolution, on this one, since many species do not do cannibalism except maybe in the most extreme starvation conditions. There seems to be an aversion to this among humans, at least when it is done as mere food source, though eating parts of revered dead or of honored enemy dead who were brave to get their qualities has gone on without a food source attitude to the meat.
But either way, this is very good to use as bad PR against them.
Right now the PRC is selling organs hand over fist and though often these are from executed tried and condemned criminals, the number of capital crimes is so high that i wonder if this is because they want the organs? Falun Gong and others have been tapped for their parts without trial and execution.
Now, if you take life stream, waste not want not, recycle and add that individuality is an illusion and a pernicious one at that, you get to cannibalism and casual extermination for body parts to keep more valuable members of the community alive, and forced abortion and use of fetal and baby flesh for medicinal brews (confiscated in Korea), real easy.
Before our sense of horror is lulled to where this makes no impact, as it already has been regarding prostitution and homosexuality, USE THIS AMMUNITION
AGAINST THEM.
"There is a war on for your mind,"
as Alex Jones says.
For me, showing that a connection can easily exist between occultism spirits and sexual perversion or at least casual fornication, is enough to turn me off, but for many this is no longer the case.
But cannibalism, casual extermination, etc. still is considered bad, even among the typical New Age writer or at least target population, with the love peace bliss sort of approach, since at this time at least, cannibalism and killing for body parts and mass extermination are not considered loving or peaceful.
Not that someone can't twist definitions to make them fit the categories of love and peace.
But before this can be done very much, USE THIS AGAINST THEM. It is still possible to shock.
"I didn't say you didn't know about the occult but the PSYCHOLOGICAL side of it."
You can't validly make a generalization like that from a single comment. You have no idea what I have read and done and absorbed. But then, you said above that heavier-than-air flight was considered impossible until it was done, which rather begs the question of why anyone tried to do it if they considered it impossible... the answer is that they saw birds flying, which people had always known were heavier than air. It was always a technological problem rather than a problem of principle.
most people considered it impossible, some few decided to try to do it anyway. It is usually the few who make things happen.
But the fact that you don't seem to understand the connection between moods, passion and energy flows and people doing things and demons feeding or getting them to go in silly or destructive directions, that is what I am talking about.
This bridges the gap between chaos magick and lesser black magick. And I am not going to go into this here. But you can google the terms and get an idea. Now some argue that this kind of stuff is merely firing up and using one's own energy and spirits aren't involved. Even so, they know and use stuff.
Meanwhile, under the Reagan Bush operations, all kinds of wickedness proliferated and the groundwork was laid for the totalitarianism Obama is on the verge of implementing, all in the excuse of fighting Communism. Oops, communism fell. no more enemy, oh dear, gotta figure out how to create or incite an enemy. Massive quantities of people need to keep raking in massive quantities of money.
Ever wonder how come the reaction to 9-11 involved irrelevant Iraq, which we armed in the first place?
Ever wonder how come everybody and his brother was warning us 9-11 was going to happen, and we ignored it? not only that scheduled air exercizes that interfered with proper response in a general time frame we should have been on alert instead?
Re: "....cannibalism and killing for body parts and mass extermination are not considered loving or peaceful."
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Wow!!! Really??? I didn't know that. Well, we learn something new every single day, don't we?
C'mon Christina,
The gap between black majick and chaos majik ?,
_the difference between the blood from a living animal and a dead one??
Are you kidding?
You split an evil hair and say that one of the halves
is less evil than the other; you're beginning to sound
rather Kabbalah.
Check that. You've been sounding Kabbalah for quite a while now. Are your looking for loopholes in God's Law ?
Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens.
Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.
It doesn't say ( or imply ), blessed are the very clever who can deduce loopholes in God's Law, or blessed are the so-complex that nothing is ever simple for them.
How about:
NO magic
No blood
Ever.
"Unless one comes to me as one of these (little children), he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven"
Paul, now you consider yourself expert enough to throw the word Kabbalah around? Are you talking about Jewish, Christian, occult, New Age or Centre studies of Kabbalah? Please make yourself clear. The word is thrown around so much in New Age bookstores.
Guilty as charged. I know nothing about the
fine distinctions between Jewish, or occult
Kabbalah.
Your fine tuned knowledge of these differences
is exactly what I was talking about, though.
As far as Christian Kabbalah, though, that's
an oxymoron. If it's Kabbalah, it ain't Christian.
But you just keep digging deeper and deeper into the "so-called deeper things of Satan" (Rev.2:24)
and see where it gets you.
I guess some people are so smart that the Bible
isn't interesting enough for them.
On this page you will find authentic quotes and excerpts from numerous Roman Catholic documents, articles, sermons, book excerpts, and Television for your evangelical research. The main purpose for this page is to glorify the Lord in His Truth. For the Almighty Creator stated long ago through His prophet Daniel that the Beast that arises in our time will "speak great words against the Most High"- Daniel 7:25
http://www.remnantofgod.org/beastword.htm#titles
You should learn to read further down and realise that the type error of jesuiut was corrected to jesuit. Got that? JESUIT CO-ADJUTOR!
Down with all things Babylonian from the Kabbalah & Talmud to the RC catechism!
Paul is absolutely right on this issue.
Pop religion from prideful people.
And those kinds of posts are why serious researchers have left this blog. Can anyone name five serious researchers who still post here?
No more posting for me.
Pop judgement from prideful ANONYMOUS
people.
Who cares what you think?
You're the prideful one who thinks she's
so astute about, what ? idolotry?
It's thousands of years old, nothing new, and
not worth dissecting. And you can't possibly
know the scope of it anyway !
Good bye, then.
Who's going to miss an anonymous ?
How could we possibly miss an anonymous?
Good bye already, though I'm sure you'll be
back because it's really all about you.
No, Paul - you are wrong.
Actually, lately - it seems to be 'all about' Christine Erikson (aka Justine)!!!!!!!
So, Paul - since you will no doubt be the last one out - please turn out the lights.
What about the false PRIDE of those 'cafeteria Protestants' (and you know who you are) - who very selectively pick and choose which biblical passages they will quote from....and which ones they will just IGNORE???
Yes, thanks Dorothy,
But the light of the good news of Jesus
the Christ never goes out.
no magik fine my point was that there is an element of energy work in magik that is in The Great Communicator and other rabble rouser style. The dreamy trance and induction thereof.
It is impossible to eat meat without SOME blood in it however trace.
But when you eat an animal, if you eat the blood also as well as the flesh, it is like "all for me," its body and soul essence or residuum of it. When in fact this should go to God.
When I find blood in meat, "soft meat" forming in cooking drain out
blood, etc. which you WILL find in modern slaughter results, I wash it off and pray to God to receive it.
Now as for serious researchers, no one has yet to define this. Apparently as long as we don't challenge whatever is going on on the right we are serious. As long as we don't discuss Agenda 21 land grab and depopulation program in Europe and America, something we can do something about to unhinge some of these plans, we are serious.
And as long as nailing New Age philosophy and unbiblical stuff is minimal and actual connections to this someone in power might have is kept to a minimum we are serious.
And any effort to show that NAM NWO involves a lot more than just whatever one part of the conspiracy any one reader here is worried about, is of course not serious.
Well, so far I have kept off wierd physics and on subject with maybe one exception.
I agree Christian kabbalah is an oxymoron. It was originally an effort to convert Jews by using points in some few things in kabbalah to show Jesus is Messiah aka Christ. I don't think it was very effective, especially since the majority of Jews weren't even into it that much.
To Paul @ 12:13 PM:
Wrong again, Paul. I'm not Dorothy!!!
A brief history to some of you 'newbies':
A few of us anonymous posters are Catholics, who used to be happy to identify ourselves. We just grew tired of the verbal abuse coming from a few of the evangelical extremists (more like 'lions' disguised as 'Christians') who pounced on us every single time we dared to express our views.
By posting as 'anonymous'....the label is now removed, so they can't say, "Ooooh, there's one of them th'ar Catlicks. Let's go get 'em." (Of course, my sarcasm here is intentional.)
I would also like to add that, over the past 6 years that I have been posting here, I have become close friends with many wonderful people on this blog (Protestant, Jewish, not to mention other Catholics) who DO show respect for other people's view point.
Anonymous Catholic (another oxymoron?)
Would you like some Brie with that old whine ?
"paul said...
Anonymous Catholic (another oxymoron?)
Would you like some Brie with that old whine ?"
talk about non serious research and putting irrelevant distracting stuff on the blog.
BTW what the RC as an institution is up to at any moment, what some wacky or worse segments are up to, has nothing to do with the shared core faith. Protestant and RC recite the same creed, or didn't you know that?
meanwhile the greatest vitriol comes from the baptist or baptist influenced segment of protestantism, and those baptists with a strong sense of history tend to claim a pedigree that consists mostly of the worst heretics, whose doctrines wouldn't be tolerated in the baptist church now. If something was opposed by "Rome" it must have been the "real" church. nonsense. But perhaps some of this anti eucharist and opposition to blessed objects and holy water should be rethought in terms of the origins of this. Luther did not deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, merely considered that bread and wine remained to some extent.
To Anon@1.07pm: I've been around here a while, I am anon by choice and protestant, and have debated Catholics here courteously. My principal regret here is not words of abuse, which rebound on the abuser in the eyes of readers, but the copying in of large chunks of text. People should be prepared to argue things for themselves, and give references only as backup.
To 'anonymous by choice' @ 1:48PM
What a breath of fresh air you are. Thank you.
I, too, welcome courteous debate.
Also, I agree with you about 'copying large chunks of text.' The end result is that our eyes begin to glaze over and the message often becomes lost. Less is more. ;~)
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11772087&postID=8440615048945194726 something important about the contemplative prayer deception plagueing RC and protestant-charismatic-whatnot churches, scroll down to Susanna 5:31
Come off it Christine, the Eastern Orthodox are by far the most committed tradition to prayer of that sort.
on the contrary. though there may have been some infiltration among individuals, if you are talking about hesychasm it is nothing of the sort.
"Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner," or variations, sometimes just reciting His Name over and over.
(the latter by the way is all it takes to break off an attack in your sleep that is choking, suffocating or trying to drag you out of your body, if you can pray in your sleep and the things will try to block you from saying it)
This is focus on JESUS not on some state of mind as an end in itself.
did you actually READ the post and the strong distinction between Keating's misdirection and false claims about Theresa of Avila and what she actually said?
There are no kundalini type manifestations in Orthodox practice of The Jesus Prayer. There are a lot of them in the charismatic-pentecostal scene, however.
Orthodoxy also has a strong tradition of watching out for prelest or spiritual deception. To ignore any manifestations or experiences or fantasies that come to you as most likely false. To guard the heart and mind. Of course a person who repeats something can misuse it to get into a trance or by continuing speaking while mentally drifting get into something strange but that isn't the purpose.
Many RC mystics have some good advice but they almost invariably also have experiences that EO would consider dubious at best.
And you don't need contemplative prayer or the Jesus Prayer misdone to get into strange stuff.
Nonsense Christine, that is merely special pleading when you look in detail at how much Orthodox contemplative prayer has in common with that of some other Christian traditions.
Christian inner life involves cycles, of despair at ever-deepening awareness of one’s own sin, behind which we hide from God (and wrongly feel that he is hiding from us); and joy upon handing that part of us over to God in self-surrender, and knowing inwardly that we are forgiven and are back in relationship with our Father. St Paul speaks of this process, known as sanctification or theosis, in Romans 5-8. The experience of it can be read in the mystical works of the desert fathers and some monastics; and also in the autobiographies of Christians who have suffered for Christ. But there is no way to tell how deeply down the spiral a ‘professional’ contemplative has gone from his writing. As with prayers, it is possible that what we are reading is mere eloquence from a man who has not gone very deep. But when a man has suffered persecution for his faith yet professes it all the more deeply, that is a seal of authenticity on his words. The world will challenge the holy more deeply from the outside than introspection can, even when introspection is augmented by fasting or other practices of ‘mortification of the flesh’ in a place of solitude. Moreover, experiential writings on theosis are selective, for deeper faith is less common and many who have it die as martyrs, or have not the freedom, literacy or time to write. Professional contemplatives have all three. The roots of eremeticism lie, in fact, in flight from persecution. But I prefer to read of the experience of sanctification from one who has suffered for his faith.
Christianity is designed for everybody. The idea that it is better practised in solitude or in monasteries than in the world, is mistaken. When St Paul recommended that men stay single to serve God (1 Corinthians 7), he never advocated that they withdraw from the world. He held himself up as a model (1 Cor 7:8), and his main task was to minister Christ to the world. Since your deeds inform your prayer and your prayer informs your deeds, a monastic or eremetic life of prayer without deeds is not a full Christian life. Faith needs practical testing in order to grow; Christians are meant to be in the world but not of the world. How else to combat evil in the world? Jesus often went to the desert to pray alone, but he always came back, to do.
"if you are talking about hesychasm it is nothing of the sort.
"Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner," or variations, sometimes just reciting His Name over and over."
As explicitly forbidden by Christ in Matt 6:7.
I´d much rather have Christine here than control freak extraordinaire Dorothy any day of the week, even if she is a blog-hog!
INTERNET TROLLER (DOROTHY MARGRAF) ATTEMPTS TO SILENCE NEWSWITHVIEWS.COM
By Jim Kouri
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
February 28, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news34.htm
In an obvious attempt to smear, discredit and ultimately silence a popular conservative news and commentary web site -- NewsWithViews.com -- an Internet troller claiming to be a columnist is saturating the Internet with e-mail accusing NWV of being anti-Semitic.
The troller, who claims to be one Dorothy Margraf, a political columnist, sent out a mass e-mailing accusing NewsWithViews.com of associating with the Republic Broadcasting Network because she's angry with some of their postings. RBN is a syndicated radio network devoted to conservative-libertarian politics. Its talk show hosts include Derry Brownfield, Terry Anderson, former Green Beret John Moore, Frosty Wooldridge -- who's also a NWV columnist -- and other notable activists within the conservative movement.
In a reciprocal agreement -- which is quite common on the Internet -- RBN carries a NewsWithViews.com banner and link, while NWV carries a Republic Broadcasting Network banner and link. According to the principles at NWV and RBN, no money was involved and the online relationship is subject to review by both, NWV's and RBN's editorial boards in four months.
"This is an excellent way to increase the number of visitors to our sites," states one of the editors.
If Margraf has a problem with RBN's contents, she should contact them. While Margraf's claim of anti-Semitism involves Republic Broadcasting, she is attacking NewsWithViews.com.
"Just because someone opposes Zionism doesn't mean they hate Jews. Even some American Jews oppose Israeli foreign and domestic policies," said conservative political strategist Mike Baker.
Baker used this analogy to describe Margraf's tactics:
"Let's say you have a homeowner in your neighborhood who owns dozen of barking dogs. This neighbor is the recipient of numerous complaints about his dogs barking at all hours of the night. And let's say that one day you are seen by your many neighbors talking to this dog owner about matters that have nothing to do with the dogs barking. Would these neighbors be fair if they began to single you out for retribution because you talked to the owner of the barking dogs? Using Margraf's logic, that's exactly what's happening in this situation."
While Margraf's e-mail urges columnists
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no, read the whole statement. Christ talked about thinking you will be heard for your much speaking. The emphasis was simplicity. The point of hesychasm is to fill your mind and its focus with Jesus. Did not Paul speak about praying constantly?
Varying the prayer so it doesn't become just words repeated while you think of something else can be to the point.
Do not the angels in heaven say "holy holy holy is the Lord God Almighty"? and keep saying it? in those visions at least? isn't that repetitive?
Notice that Jesus said the heathen think they will be heard for their much speaking. That is the problem. Repeating a truth and drumming it into your own consciousness, or offering worship or asking God for mercy often enough you can't slide into "normal" mindstates too much that don't incl. deliberate conscious referencing of God is not the issue. God hears the thought before it is spoken. The point is to control the thoughts so they don't range off into godlessness or overt sin.
The arrow prayer is the non formula prayer of immediate need, "God make haste to defend me" or "Jesus have mercy" or "Jesus help" as a bad thought or an external temptation or a specific need or danger arises. One person described how when talking with an Orthodox nun, and asking for her prayers after she said she had already prayed several times for him while talking with him. This is prayer of thought.
INTERNET TROLLER (DOROTHY MARGRAF) ATTEMPTS TO SILENCE NEWSWITHVIEWS.COM
By Jim Kouri
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news34.htm
Christine,
As so often in your responses you have failed to genuinely engage with what was said (in this case at 3.22pm), and merely skittered over it with some additional points.
failed to genuinely engage with what was said (in this case at 3.22pm)
I did nothing of the kind. What do you consider engaging?
"and when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
"Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him" and goes on to show us The Lord's Prayer.
What is the issue? What is the context? specific requests, done simply as opposed to blathered over and over, NOT something that is worship repetitions, NOT something that is to keep yourself focussed on Him.
How many say a prayer and then go on and barely think of God all day, being at best like Martha who busied herself with stuff that was technically in a general way for God "But Mary has chosen the better part" and the Jesus prayer, alternated with reading Scripture, is essentially sitting at His feet as she was doing.
It seems to me it is you who are skittering over a Scripture point, ignoring its context. Ever heard "compare Scripture with Scripture?"
Now, EO has a concept "theosis" which so far you haven't attacked which I will bring up. It is an unfortunate choice of words, because it can and has been misinterpreted and misused by some New Agers who sort of like Orthodoxy. But when you look at how it is used and explained, it is not becoming God but becoming godly, and it is what protestants call "regeneration." A protestant clergyman who had become an Orthodox priest and seen the process and results in both said it is the same thing.
EU Plotting To Create "Super-President": Will Have "Sweeping Powers"
http://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com.es/2012/05/eu-plotting-to-create-super-president.html
Ministers ponder creation of EU super-president
http://euobserver.com/18/115965
"Now, EO has a concept "theosis" which so far you haven't attacked which I will bring up."
Do you actually read what is written back to you? I mentioned theosis by name twice at 3.22pm. It is identical to what Western Christianity calls sanctification.
I must have missed that part of it. However, the Jesus Prayer has its origins among those people who go through all those cycles you mention.
But eremiticism and cenobitism (living in groups) did not originate in flight from persecution, WHICH JESUS TELLS US TO DO, by the way, "when you are persecuted in one city flee into another." It originated in reaction to worldliness of the fellow Christians, on the one hand, and as an effort to escape the distracting and tempting capacity of the world on the other.
I am not saying monasticism is superior, and monks often maintained some relationship with the populace around them. There is an ongoing contact with Christians who visit them. In fact, pains have been taken by some to clarify that it is NOT superior it is just another form of Christian life.
One desert father story is like this. An angel appeared to a monk, and told him that there were two women in the city who were more holy than he was, although they being married did not live in celibacy and were not isolated.
So he visited them and asked them for wisdom and they said that their husbands had forbade them going into monasticism, so they took a vow never to say bad things about anyone.
Indeed, monasticism and imitation of it can be a trap, regarding the sin of pride. Not to mention delusions from too much fasting and seeking visions and self deception.
It is this sort of thing rather than kundalini energy type manifestations that Orthodox spiritual fathers are to help about. Kundalini type stuff if it turned up would be recognized by everyone as of the flesh or worse.
It is the subtler mental stuff and attitude stuff that is the issue.
"The need emerged to elaborate a new world political and economic order, but at the same time and above all, a spiritual and cultural one, that is, renewed humanism," Pope Benedict said.
Now if you can´t see that what B. XVI says is New Age Babylonian 1 world relig. you´re in denial!
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com.es/search?q=antichrist
"eremiticism and cenobitism (living in groups) did not originate in flight from persecution, WHICH JESUS TELLS US TO DO, by the way, "when you are persecuted in one city flee into another.""
It's a matter of how bad the persecution is, whether to stay put to fight the good fight or take flight and come out of Babylon. But it is a matter of record that the early hermits into the Egyptian desert, the movement that became the "desert fathers," fled there to avoid persecution under Diocletian.
As you can find by Googling it for yourself...
Even when the loud-mouthed student is caught red handed plagiarising the professor, she finds it impossible to give credit where due. Instead, the loud mouth freely dispenses credit to all other sources whom she can't cite. Nonetheless, the student must remain greater than the teacher (at least in this forum).
Christine Crumbey: she'll throw you Cumbey's bread crumbs and call them her own.
There is a movie coming out this weekend that I recommend everybody see: FOR THE GREATER GLORY. It is about the persecution of Mexican Christians starting with the Catholics. It is termed "the Cristero wars." Yes, it really happened. I have been tracking it for 30 years.
Constance
a. benny 16th - I don't care what he or any pope says or is into, that has nothing to do with traditional RC which has its problems but the core faith is that of the Nicene Creed (aside from the heretical filioque) which you as a protestant undoubtedly recite or recite some version of yourself, probably with the filioque.
Additional matters usually fought over by protestants and EO, predating any new age contamination that may or may not have begun with John 23rd, are simply inherited by Benny 16th and other RC and have nothing to do with the new age.
I DO NOT DISPUTE THAT THERE IS A NEW AGE CONTAMINATION IN RC, AND I DOUBT CONSTANCE DOES EITHER.
b. Constance isn't my first or only teacher, she is the first I know of to connect the dots the way she did.
I FORGOT where I read that but IT DOESN'T MATTER because the "source" that should be given, to look up and prove it was said by whichever Bailey, is not Constance but Bailey's book it was in in the first place.
I have not called ANYTHING my own.
I have presented information from decades of reading books, articles and finally the Internet.
the only way I could properly call something my own, is if I went and bugged or eavesdropped at a new ager etc. meeting, and reported that, or the matter of connecting some material to others, connecting some dots, or showing how some researchers or subjects are worth noticing how it might fit.
c. when anti Christian persecution breaks out, you can be sure it will as it always has target the liturgical supposedly babylonian crowd as much as the protestants if not more so because more visible, and no amount of apparent similarity between Eucharist and false god eating, or between the Virgin Mary and the female false gods will ever, or has ever, protected RC or Orthodox incl. heretical Oriental Orthodox (miaphysite/monophysite nestorian etc.) from persecution whether by
over pagans, atheists, or muslims.
and historically we Christians have done a damnably fine job of persecuting each other. protestants recite what atrocities RC did, RC recites what atrocities protestants did. Neither are lying.
Nice try, Anonymous @ 5:49 PM - but my faith is (and has ALWAYS been) in my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and not in any MAN!!!
Pope Benedict XVI's legacy has yet to be determined; but so far, his ACTIONS (and this is a very important word for you anti-Catholics to try and absorb) are in accordance with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
There is so much bickering on this board. Let's all focus on something more important like Agenda 21.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/agenda-21-fact-not-conspiracy/
a good starting point. Agenda 21 is so bad, that opposition ranges from the Tea Party and the John Birch Society to far out liberal elements in the Democratic Party. One of the absolute best exposers of this, is Rosa Koire, of Democrats Against Agenda 21 I think that is the right name, who wrote Behind the Green Mask, and of whose personal life the less said the better, but she was an invited speaker at a Tea Party gathering about all this, its on a youtube video.
If you organize against this arm of the UN and world government aka "world governance" a term invented to sound softer than world government, you don't have to worry what the faith, morals or politics of the people you can draw into are, you can get otherwise problem people to strike against this important tentacle of the NWO.
Though the conservative arguments are obvious, there are other arguments. Pragmatic for instance. Even environmental, since a lot of Agenda 21 policies pretending to be for the environment do nothing for and sometimes work against it. Personal choice issues. Even those who argue we own nothing, only God owns everything so we should collectivize would not like the mishandling of these resources human and otherwise that often are involved in all this. Not to mention the racket where some land is taken for public use and then ends up sold to private developers, and after the whole thing fails it is a tax writeoff and blighted which in turn helps the collapse of society.
the depopulation agenda hides in here also. Whatever anyone thinks of overpopulation global warming etc., no one wants to be exterminated to solve the problem. Though formal extermination is not an obvious part, the long range goals this would help could lead to that.
I forgot to mention, the ICEL that your own city may be a member of, is ILLEGAL because it is a cooperation of various government bodies that incl. foreign government bodies beyond mere sister city stuff, and this is prohibited in The Constitution, where it says all interaction between US states etc. and foreign govt. must be through the federal govt. A mere presidential authorization of Agenda 21 and ICEL
is not a direct federal buffer between the US less than fed and foreign govt. bodies as is obviously the intent of the Constitution.
I must say we've come a LONG way from the original intent of this blog, as stated by one of hte Anonymae. Who has noticed the push from Brussels to get a super leader of the EU in place, supplanting two lesser offices? Britain is very angry about this. It is billed as an anti-Britian thing, although I have not seen anyone comment why. Concerning the Catholic Church, it is not present composed of people who all think alike. Far from it. I can see the problems at Vatican Level, at Bishop level, and sometimes Bishops do squelch their folks, but the individual parishes are VERY different. I have attended many. There is one in Encinitas I wish I could go to but I am in exile. My Episcopal parish just joined the Dominionist crowd (subtly) but less subtly the priest stated that he does not believe in the subsitutionary death of Jesus for us. That's way worse than the Catholic priest across the street.
Britain has never liked the EU or at least the British people with enough pull at elections don't. A single ruler of Europe would be anti Britain and anti every other country as well, a move against the still semi sovereignty of the member countries.
EU was developing step by step processes to make a single European nation and govt., something no member country wanted but an elite did want. (Of course Britain wouldn't mind if they got to rule Europe but that is out of the question.)
Alex Jones was saying on some youtube video excerpt of one of his broadcasts that the EU had been advising the UN on how to do this sort of thing, but last round of meetings would not help them anymore, because EU suddenly realized that its own game of supremacy by stages would be lost to the UN game of supremacy by stages.
Competing power blocs.
Both EU and UN have been candidates for antichrist status over the decades.
Britain has always been cagey about the EU. Ever empire minded, and ever gaming to get or keep it when force of arms wouldn't work, or as a prelude to it, they are of course ever vigilant to any similar game being played on them.
Mariel: You wrote: "Who has noticed the push from Brussels to get a super leader of the EU in place, supplanting two lesser offices? Britain is very angry about this. It is billed as an anti-Britian thing, although I have not seen anyone comment why."
Greetings from Britain! We are angry about the way the EU has inexorably morphed into a federalizing movement, which is not what we were sold in the Referendum 40 years ago about it; and angry that our politicians never admit this and consequently give us another referendum, but merely talk about doing so in an attempt to keep us happy. We actually regard this latest development that you mention as just another step in Brussels' game, although it might turn out historically to be a large one.
This measure is not specifically aimed at Britain, and I think you will find it is billed as an anti-Britain thing only in the more sensationalist parts of the anti-EU press in the English-speaking world. Bear in mind when you read the rhetoric that it has coincided with a row between Britain and Brussels about the latter's latest attempt to slap a eurotax on the financial sector in the UK - one of the few things which causes our spineless politicians to stand up to Brussels.
Watch for the UK Independence Party. Its central plank is, obviously, withdrawal from the EU, and it is not a bunch of neoNazis nor does it have such a wing. It is a genuine political movement that is increasingly attracting people, and it has sensible domestic policies too. Its leader Nigel Farage is worth seeing on YouTube for his magnificently rude, witty and entirely accurate speeches in and to the European parliament.
Christine: You wrote: "Britain has always been cagey about the EU. Ever empire minded, and ever gaming to get or keep it when force of arms wouldn't work, or as a prelude to it, they are of course ever vigilant to any similar game being played on them."
We lost the last vestiges of Empire after World War 2 and our national psychology came to terms with it in an understated but palpable way in the two decades after. Nobody here is interested in resurrecting the British Empire, as you would know if you asked anybody in our streets or in bars. Debate rumbles on only as to whether it was, historically, a good thing or a bad thing. (My own answer is: "both".) We are cagey about the EU for very good reasons, and cagey about continental Europe generally because we gave a lot of blood on European soil to help free it from Napoleon's armies, the Kaiser's armies and Hitler's armies. Being an island has its blessings.
"Belief in chemtrails would be funny if not tragic. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails"
I used to buy that line of crap, until I read about tests on ground under them, abnormal amounts of barium, aluminum and even pathogens.
AND I started looking at the sky a bit closer, and remembering the CONTRAILS I saw as a child, and occasionally still do.
NARROW, widen a bit but NOTHING like the chemtrails which are outrageously wide, and a contrail fades away sooner. Some stay a while, depends on conditions. But CHEMTRAILS stay a real long time.
Also, they are laid out in patterns that are not normal flight behavior and they are reported being put forth by planes that are not on any normal flight path.
AGAIN, contrails are narrower, and widen somewhat, fade sooner.
CHEMTRAILS widen fast and hang around for a long time.
AND I NEVER SAW THAT KIND OF STUFF WHEN I WAS A CHILD IN THE EARLY 1960s.
Precisely the idea of geoengineering using aerial spraying was discussed a long time ago, by among others Edward Teller the insane father of the H Bomb.
What gets discussed is likely to get done on the sly long before the public gets to discuss or bug the legislators pro or con. This kind of project would not be difficult to hide.
And there have been pilots of such who talked, and a chemtrail spraying plane crashed producing a huge puddle of silvery looking fluid.
Christine, it is you who are talking crap (your word) about chemtrails.
How long a water vapor trail (contrail) remains visible behind an aeroplane depends on how humid the atmosphere is at that height. It can be anything from a few seconds to indefinitely, if cloud was on the point of forming spontaneously before the jet flew by. Without that humidity-at-height information you cannot tell whether it is water vapor or a chemical that takes longer than water to disperse. And you don't have that information, do you?
The rate of widening of the visible trail behind an aircraft depends on the extent of spontaneous atmospheric turbulence, not on whether it is water vapor or something else.
The only way you could tell a chemtrail from a contrail from the ground would be by doing spectral analysis on the light that passes through the trail. Do you have a spectral analyzer and do you use it for that purpose?
"AND I NEVER SAW THAT KIND OF STUFF WHEN I WAS A CHILD IN THE EARLY 1960s."
There were far fewer planes then, and far fewer jets in particular, which put out much more water vapor than prop planes. And you wouldn't have been looking for chemtrails as a child, of course.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring" - Alexander Pope.
wrong. First, I ALREADY SAID a contrail will last varying lengths of time, depending on conditions.
Second, props don't leave contrails only jets. I between San Francisco Intl. Airport, and Moffett Field.
So I saw props and jets. I didn't see a whole lot, but i did see them. And I have a somewhat photographic memory. (Please don't tell me that doesn't exist in case you don't think or remember largely in pictures, or know anyone who does.)
Even today, some regular contrails occur.
So when I see stuff that lasts far longer and is wayyyy wider in its dissipation and isn't even dissipating as it widens (unlike a contrail) I know the difference.
Of course I wasn't looking for chemtrails as a child. That's not what I said. I know what I used to see routinely and it NEVER was the stuff I see now.
I spent many many years looking more ahead than above, once I started driving or taking the bus. Occasionally I would look up and think the contrails were a bit wide, but shrug it off. Until the chemtrail debate started. Then I looked again.
There is a big difference between the contrails of old, which NEVER held on while they widened, and NEVER widened like is routine now,
and those few normal contrails now,
on the one hand,
and chemtrails which widen without dissipating, make crisscross patterns, and last for hours sometimes.
The difference is clearly illustrated on the youtube videos about this, and it is not a matter of altitude either as you can see.
"props don't leave contrails only jets"
Not so. Condensation trails comprise water vapor, which is a product of the combustion of hydrocarbons; and both jet and prop planes are fuelled by hydrocarbons. The carbon in hydrocarbons burns (oxidises) to carbon dioxide, and the hydrogen burns to water. Prop planes burn less fuel so that the trail is weaker, and in SOME atmospheric conditions you might get a transient trail from a prop- plane and a longer lasting trail from a jet plane, but here is a wartime pic of propeller-driven bombers creating contrails, something you say doesn't happen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Condensation_Trails_contrails_from_Aircraft_Engine_Exhaust.png
If you make as basic an error as that then the rest of your comments on this subject can safely be ignored.
Beijing Games centred on the number 8 because in China the number 8 meant prosperity.8/8/2008 to 24/8/2008.
London Games is weighed down with the number 8. Torch weighs 800 grams, is 800mm long and has 8,000 perforations and will be carried by 8,000 torchbearers into a stadium housing 80,000 people. In the Bible 8 stands for a New Beginning. The wicked ones have clearly stolen it for their own New Beginning. Obama's birthday on 4th Aug is at the very centre of the Games with 8 days either side.
Read the Open Scroll for an indepth insight into the London Games. 4 year ago Rik Clay wrote much about the coming London Games including his belief that a fake alien event would be created there.
The stadium is a mass of triangles as is the tower nearby. On top of the stadium are light towers resembling the pyramid on the US $1 Bill with the lights in the capstone. Be prepared!
I stand by my comments to those who were contributors to News and Views at the time. I researched the connections, the individual who runs that website and contacted him to ask his side of the problem. He was extremely nasty on the phone.
I did not make the information publicly available at the time to other than those individuals because I felt they should know how they were being used. I have not publicly made the information available to other than those who know me since then.
Shortly after I found myself attacked publicly on the internet by several columnists connected with NWV. The posted columnist never contacted me as did those others before posting what they did.
Anyone who exposes antisemitism can expect the kind of attacks I experienced. Constance did when she exposed the antisemitism in the New Age movement as part of her research. Antisemitism is a large part of the New Age agenda and New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. There is an underground network on both the right and left. Antisemites infiltrated the John Birch society, the pro-life movement and are now attempting to infiltrate the tea party movement. How this is being done is written about elsewhere.
Antisemites depend on the gullibility of the general public. They state their lies knowing that almost no one will check out what they are saying. Propaganda is based on the fact that there may be one thing that is true in a web of lies. The truth here is that I did warn writers at NWV of what I found, which is distorted in the column posted.
I am willing to share off the blog what I found with those who know me. Others can do their own research, and it better be research in depth. I have been at this almost the same number of years as Constance has. As opposed to the poster, I document.
Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. There are valid reasons why this commandment is as serious as those against adultery, murder and stealing. Violating it breaks trust in others in the community. Once trust is deliberately broken, the community is open to destruction by those who are morally weak.
Dorothy Margraf
I looked to debunk chemtrails in the Illinois area originally. Shortly afterwards a friend showed me a whole series of pictures she had taken. I began to watch the sky in our area. Some days I found the sky covered with parallel lines of very thick white something overhead. I held my index finger out and they measured that width. They appeared maybe eight years ago and haven't appeared since. Never learned from an authoritative source what was happening.
My response to the poster at 4:16 pm disappeared. I will post it again and again. It's a good thing I learned to copy. It's interesting that 4:16 was allowed to stand and my response disappeared.
Dorothy Margraf
The first time I posted this it appeared at 12:01 pm.
I stand by my comments to those who were contributors to News and Views at the time. I researched the connections, the individual who runs that website and contacted him to ask his side of the problem. He was extremely nasty on the phone.
I did not make the information publicly available at the time to other than those individuals because I felt they should know how they were being used. I have not publicly made the information available to other than those who know me since then.
Shortly after I found myself attacked publicly on the internet by several columnists connected with NWV. The posted columnist never contacted me as did those others before posting what they did.
Anyone who exposes antisemitism can expect the kind of attacks I experienced. Constance did when she exposed the antisemitism in the New Age movement as part of her research. Antisemitism is a large part of the New Age agenda and New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. There is an underground network on both the right and left. Antisemites infiltrated the John Birch society, the pro-life movement and are now attempting to infiltrate the tea party movement. How this is being done is written about elsewhere.
Antisemites depend on the gullibility of the general public. They state their lies knowing that almost no one will check out what they are saying. Propaganda is based on the fact that there may be one thing that is true in a web of lies. The truth here is that I did warn writers at NWV of what I found, which is distorted in the column posted.
I am willing to share off the blog what I found with those who know me. Others can do their own research, and it better be research in depth. I have been at this almost the same number of years as Constance has. As opposed to the poster, I document.
Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. There are valid reasons why this commandment is as serious as those against adultery, murder and stealing. Violating it breaks trust in others in the community. Once trust is deliberately broken, the community is open to destruction by those who are morally weak.
Dorothy Margraf
Disappeared after appearing at 12:19 pm
I stand by my comments to those who were contributors to News and Views at the time. I researched the connections, the individual who runs that website and contacted him to ask his side of the problem. He was extremely nasty on the phone.
I did not make the information publicly available at the time to other than those individuals because I felt they should know how they were being used. I have not publicly made the information available to other than those who know me since then.
Shortly after I found myself attacked publicly on the internet by several columnists connected with NWV. The posted columnist never contacted me as did those others before posting what they did.
Anyone who exposes antisemitism can expect the kind of attacks I experienced. Constance did when she exposed the antisemitism in the New Age movement as part of her research. Antisemitism is a large part of the New Age agenda and New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. There is an underground network on both the right and left. Antisemites infiltrated the John Birch society, the pro-life movement and are now attempting to infiltrate the tea party movement. How this is being done is written about elsewhere.
Antisemites depend on the gullibility of the general public. They state their lies knowing that almost no one will check out what they are saying. Propaganda is based on the fact that there may be one thing that is true in a web of lies. The truth here is that I did warn writers at NWV of what I found, which is distorted in the column posted.
I am willing to share off the blog what I found with those who know me. Others can do their own research, and it better be research in depth. I have been at this almost the same number of years as Constance has. As opposed to the poster, I document.
Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. There are valid reasons why this commandment is as serious as those against adultery, murder and stealing. Violating it breaks trust in others in the community. Once trust is deliberately broken, the community is open to destruction by those who are morally weak.
Dorothy Margraf
Previously deleted at 12:01 and 12:19 pm
@Anon@12:12 PM,
What leads you to think that those were chemtrails rather than regular condensation trails, please?
Sometimes when the upper atmosphere is near to 100% humidity the contrails start off a series of clouds. Maybe there was a military exercise that day involving the USAF? Or an air show somewhere? Perhaps scheduled flights took an unusual route that day to avoid a storm some distance away? Do scheduled planes usually fly in your area parallel to the direction of those trails?
I believe it is wisest to eliminate the mundane before looking for unusual explanations.
Previously deleted at 12:01 and 12:19 pm
Deleted again at 1:00 PM
DM
1:01 pm
The things I described were called chemtrails by others. I have no idea what they were. They didn't just appear on one day in the area, but on many days over several months if I remember correctly. It's been about six years since I saw them. I even saw them from a commuter train once maybe 20 miles from my home. My friend who was more interested in these things photographed them over a period of time. A friend who travels reported seeing the same thing in other areas from his car.
Your explanation makes as much sense as other explanations, and if you haven't seen these things for yourself, you are guessing. With other things of interest to me, I never followed up.
No air show, no planes overhead except for an occasional private plane. No planes ever going from east to west. No military base around. Since I don't spend my days peering at the sky, I didn't see where these extremely big long puffs of white stuff came from. They just were there.
BRAVO, Dorothy for all that you do....and for your 30 plus years of tireless work in courageously and aggressively exposing antisemitism....along with all of its complex New Age connections!!!
Those who know you KNOW where your heart is.
Anonymous said...
I stand by my comments to those who were contributors to News and Views at the time. I researched the connections, the individual who runs that website and contacted him to ask his side of the problem. He was extremely nasty on the phone.
I did not make the information publicly available at the time to other than those individuals because I felt they should know how they were being used. I have not publicly made the information available to other than those who know me since then.
Shortly after I found myself attacked publicly on the internet by several columnists connected with NWV. The posted columnist never contacted me as did those others before posting what they did.
Anyone who exposes antisemitism can expect the kind of attacks I experienced. Constance did when she exposed the antisemitism in the New Age movement as part of her research. Antisemitism is a large part of the New Age agenda and New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. There is an underground network on both the right and left. Antisemites infiltrated the John Birch society, the pro-life movement and are now attempting to infiltrate the tea party movement. How this is being done is written about elsewhere.
Antisemites depend on the gullibility of the general public. They state their lies knowing that almost no one will check out what they are saying. Propaganda is based on the fact that there may be one thing that is true in a web of lies. The truth here is that I did warn writers at NWV of what I found, which is distorted in the column posted.
I am willing to share off the blog what I found with those who know me. Others can do their own research, and it better be research in depth. I have been at this almost the same number of years as Constance has. As opposed to the poster, I document.
Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. There are valid reasons why this commandment is as serious as those against adultery, murder and stealing. Violating it breaks trust in others in the community. Once trust is deliberately broken, the community is open to destruction by those who are morally weak.
Dorothy Margraf
Anon@1.17pm,
Thanks for the info. I've not seen what you saw at your locale on those dates, obviously, but I've seen similar and it never occurred to me that they might be anything other than trails of water vapor from airplane engines. Based on what you say there could be some terminological confusion so please check 'chemtrails' and 'contrails' at Wikipedia. I'm not guessing what you saw BTW - I acknowledge that I wasn't there and that's why I asked questions. Thanks for replying.
My response disappeared again timed at 1:46 pm
DM
Chemtrails, contrails or ??? We're far from any major airport and any commercial planes that fly over, almost always are single planes way high in the sky. They leave a single line that is needle thin, wavering because of air currents and disappearing at the tail end. If anyone has a picture of parallel, big fluffy, wide long things up in the sky that can be pictured and explained as resulting from a contrail, I've not seen it because I'm not interested in the topic.
I have no idea who is coming up with what may be far fetched explanations. People will believe what they read because there is so much manipulation and outright lying taking place in communications these days.
Try #5
I stand by my comments to those who were contributors to News and Views at the time. I researched the connections, the individual who runs that website and contacted him to ask his side of the problem. He was extremely nasty on the phone.
I did not make the information publicly available at the time to other than those individuals because I felt they should know how they were being used. I have not publicly made the information available to other than those who know me since then.
Shortly after I found myself attacked publicly on the internet by several columnists connected with NWV. The posted columnist never contacted me as did those others before posting what they did.
Anyone who exposes antisemitism can expect the kind of attacks I experienced. Constance did when she exposed the antisemitism in the New Age movement as part of her research. Antisemitism is a large part of the New Age agenda and New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. There is an underground network on both the right and left. Antisemites infiltrated the John Birch society, the pro-life movement and are now attempting to infiltrate the tea party movement. How this is being done is written about elsewhere.
Antisemites depend on the gullibility of the general public. They state their lies knowing that almost no one will check out what they are saying. Propaganda is based on the fact that there may be one thing that is true in a web of lies. The truth here is that I did warn writers at NWV of what I found, which is distorted in the column posted.
I am willing to share off the blog what I found with those who know me. Others can do their own research, and it better be research in depth. I have been at this almost the same number of years as Constance has. As opposed to the poster, I document.
Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. There are valid reasons why this commandment is as serious as those against adultery, murder and stealing. Violating it breaks trust in others in the community. Once trust is deliberately broken, the community is open to destruction by those who are morally weak.
Dorothy Margraf
5th try 2:18 disappearance.
DM
DM,
It's blogger's automatic antispam software that is holding you up. If you have a large number of web addresses in what you are posting, if it is too long, if it mentions too many of the words that are used when a remote financial translation takes place via internet, if it has too much foul language, perhaps too much in capitals, etc, then your contributions will be getting dumped. Try some experiments!
No web addresses, nothing longer than what Christine is posting, nothing to do with finances, no foul language, no capitals. Each time it is posted on the blog and then when I refresh, I see it has disappeared. This happened previously to me. However, I will break it up into two posts and see what happens.
DM
Part 1 of my response.
I stand by my comments to those who were contributors to News and Views at the time. I researched the connections, the individual who runs that website and contacted him to ask his side of the problem. He was extremely nasty on the phone.
I did not make the information publicly available at the time to other than those individuals because I felt they should know how they were being used. I have not publicly made the information available to other than those who know me since then.
Shortly after I found myself attacked publicly on the internet by several columnists connected with NWV. The posted columnist never contacted me as did those others before posting what they did.
Anyone who exposes antisemitism can expect the kind of attacks I experienced. Constance did when she exposed the antisemitism in the New Age movement as part of her research. Antisemitism is a large part of the New Age agenda and New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. There is an underground network on both the right and left. Antisemites infiltrated the John Birch society, the pro-life movement and are now attempting to infiltrate the tea party movement. How this is being done is written about elsewhere.
Part 2
Antisemites depend on the gullibility of the general public. They state their lies knowing that almost no one will check out what they are saying. Propaganda is based on the fact that there may be one thing that is true in a web of lies. The truth here is that I did warn writers at NWV of what I found, which is distorted in the column posted.
I am willing to share off the blog what I found with those who know me. Others can do their own research, and it better be research in depth. I have been at this almost the same number of years as Constance has. As opposed to the poster, I document.
Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. There are valid reasons why this commandment is as serious as those against adultery, murder and stealing. Violating it breaks trust in others in the community. Once trust is deliberately broken, the community is open to destruction by those who are morally weak.
Dorothy Margraf
Good advice. This time it appears to be staying on. Thanks
DM
where is constance?
anon 2:15 yes you are describing contrails. But there are plenty of pictures of big wide fluffy things that don't dissipate. And I see them here at the foot of the Sierra foothils east of Sacramento.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chemtrail&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hcPGT67DL4q0gwef1_jfCg&biw=1080&bih=462&sei=icPGT4rRCpP3ggeu-rTlCg
plenty of pix of both.
Following on Dorothy using Google, I came to this NWV person's objection to Dorothy's citing something as antisemitic.
At the bottom of the page, is the following, which brands this NWV writer as halfway into the NWO notice the global and sustainable Agenda 21 lines of talk, and opposition to US as Constitutional Republic.
"Activist and researcher, Stuter has spent the last fifteen years researching systems theory and systems philosophy with a particular emphasis on education as it pertains to achieving the sustainable global environment. She home schooled two daughters. She has worked with legislators, both state and federal, on issues pertaining to systems governance, the sustainable global environment and education reform. She networks nationwide with other researchers and a growing body of citizens concerned with the transformation of our nation from a Constitutional Republic to a participatory democracy. She has traveled the United States and lived overseas."
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter120.htm
(The statement cited by Dorothy as antisemitic is historically correct as per Orthodox Judaism, it is only part of the picture and extreme Orthodox are among Zionist extremists now. A prophecy in Ezekiel speaks of bringing them back to their land in a state of impurity which will be later cleansed.)
That Stuter is a homeschooler, merely highlights that you cannot trust that movement to go in the right direction. You can be sure her children are being raised to be highly technically competent administrators in the NWO, as distinct from the less well educated hoi polloi in the public schools. Or maybe it was just a security issue as per the school district they live in has too much danger in the school and on the way. Atheists and pagans are homeschooling also. I have lurked and argued on pagan and witch egroups, and run into this fact.
A statement's antisemitic purpose or possible effect, is often best judged in the larger context, than in itself, when it is like what Dorothy cited. A heavy anti Israel position, given the millions of Jews that live there, is de facto antisemitic.
And yes, anti zionism IS a sneak way of being antisemitic while pretending not to be. Also anti khazar, sure, there is a khazar turk convert major element in Ashkenazic Jewry, that is why many look so Eurasian in features. But that means nothing, by conversion and upbringing they are Jews, and the adoption into the tribe of the missionary, as reported in The Lost Tribes A Myth makes them Jews. David was only able to be counted as Israelite and therefore eligible to be king, because Ruth's son was adopted by Naomi see last chapter of The Book of Ruth. This legally erased the Moabite blood.
Christine,
I see nothing in that montage that can't be explained by the remarkable diversity of atmospheric conditions in which airplane engines fly, fuel dumping, water dumping on forest fires by dedicated aircraft, injection of dye into exhaust for exhibition purposes at an air show, condensation in wingtip vortices in saturated air, and pics of cloud seeding planes from old experiments, or napalm planes or agent orange planes used in Vietnam.
WHAT chemical do you/conspiratorialists believe is released in chemtrails, and why? No chemical exists that can cause a person to do what another person wills in general.
two concepts. One, which is aka alternative 1, make changes in the atmosphere to deal with climate change, which was discussed in the late 60s and early 70s, and involved aluminum fine dust to reflect sunlight back, cooling the earth. ALUMINUM is in the residue on the ground under the trails.
To this can be added the problem of radiation increase from decrease of ozone and van allen belt changes and solar increases. Barium is a
radiation absorber. BARIUM is in the residue on the ground under the trails.
I see you must be thinking in terms of mind control as a motive, "No chemical exists that can cause a person to do what another person wills in general." It is very easy once you are savvy to something to see nothing but that.
Mind control is no part of it.
So agenda 1 is helpful. But there were toxins and pathogens found in the residues sometimes also. So agenda 2 is in play also, which is destructive. Not all players in this terraforming or geoengineering would know what the others are up to, and the same load can have physical input so to speak from both camps.
This brings us to the second concept.
Two.
DEPOPULATION. Soft kill approach, that is also eugenic, because the weak would sicken and die first, leaving the strong and "more fit."
Soft kill is where the process is slow enough it goes unnoticed till out of control. A good example is ant bait. Some is hard kill, the ants or other bugs die quickly after eating or touching it. The soft kill version doesn't do this, it gets taken back to the nest where it will kill the rest of the nest and the queen, because the action is slow enough for it to be shared as food.
Christine,
Barium and aluminum have been found beneath chemtrails? Was a line of local enhancement of these elements found? And, if so, how was it known that they were released from an aircraft?
All of the things I stated are what you have to rule out before going chemtrail. Real research involves effort.
why don't you just start doing the same research on youtube and online articles, run the same trail I did while I was still a skeptic, and you will get the answers to your questions.
"Barium and aluminum have been found beneath chemtrails? Was a line of local enhancement of these elements found? And, if so, how was it known that they were released from an aircraft?"
"why don't you just start doing the same research on youtube and online articles, run the same trail I did while I was still a skeptic, and you will get the answers to your questions."
Because if you make the claim then it's up to you to provide the documented evidence for it. That is how the media work and it is how genuine researchers rather than charlatans work. And if not, people might think that you were unable to back up your claims...
stop being lazy and get to work. I already gave a google images link for you. There are TOO MANY sources to dig up TOO MANY links. no one source gives all the reasons that convinced me. I am a speed reader and used to sorting between bullshit, misunderstanding and likely real, then piecing the latter bits together out of the original sources.
Start digging. I won't do your work for you. I have given you a start, and this is what any professor would do in dealing with a student.
Christine,
It seems that you expect me to make your case for you. If YOU make a claim it is up to YOU to back it up with the evidence. Otherwise why should anybody believe you? Certainly I don't, which is why I won't be bothering. If you want your claim to be taken seriously by anybody reading the blog, cite a reference.
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