"Creating the counterculture
"The 'war' open culture, although not declared, against the youth of America really began in 1967, when the Bilderberg, to achieve their goals, began organizing outdoor concerts. Using this secret weapon, able to attract more than four million young people called 'festival'.Without knowing it, young people became victims of a carefully planned experiment with drugs on a large scale. Hallucinogenic drugs whose consumption advocated [...] [...] Beatles freely distributed at these concerts. It was not long before more than fifty million attended (then aged between 10 and 25 years old) came home turned into messengers and promoters of the new drug culture or what became known as the ' New Age '. "
"The greatest concert of all time, the" Woodstock Music and Art Fair 'outdoor was described by Time magazine as' Aquarius Festival 'and as' the greatest show in history. " Woodstock became part of the cultural lexicon of a generation. "
"'In Woodstock," writes the journalist Donald Phau, "almost half a million young people came to them were drugged and brainwashed on a farm.The victims were isolated, surrounded by filth, chock full of psychedelic drugs and kept them awake for three consecutive days, all with the full complicity of the FBI and government officials. The safety of the concert provided a hippie commune trained in the mass distribution of LSD.Again would the networks of British military intelligence that he would initiate everything, with the help of the CIA through its former director William Casey and his contacts with Sefton Delmer of MI6, whose contact Bruce Lockhardt was MI6 controller Lenin and Trotsky during the Bolshevik revolution. "
"It would take yet another decade before the counter was integrated into the American lexicon. But the seeds of what was a titanic and secret project to reverse the values of America were sown then. Sex, drugs and rock and roll, large demonstrations across the nation, hippies, drug addicts who drop out, the Nixon presidency and the Vietnam War was tearing the very fiber of American society. Old and new collide head-on without anyone being aware that that conflict was part of a secret social plan, designed by some of the most brilliant and evil in the world ... "
"The Aquarian Conspiracy
"'In the spring of 1980, Lyndon LaRouche writes in DOPE INC .- became famous a book called The Aquarian Conspiracy (sold over a million copies and was translated into ten languages), which became the overnight the manifesto of the counterculture. " [...] The Aquarian Conspiracy stated that it was time that the fifteen million Americans who took part in the counter to come together to bring about a radical change in America. In fact, this book was the first publication aimed at public who argued for the concept of teamwork, a concept that was the most virtuous and rapidly driven by the 'gurus' of management. "
"The author Marilyn Ferguson said:" While outlining a yet-untitled book on the emerging social alternatives, I thought about the particular form of this movement, on his unusual leadership on patient severity of his followers, on his improbable success ... ' .
"In a 1961 lecture, Aldous Huxley described this police state as" the final revolution ': a' dictatorship without tears "where people" love their chains'. "
The correct answer which was phoned in by Mr. Hall only 8 minutes after the program began was FIDEL CASTRO! Fidel Castro in his turn was quoting from Daniel Estulin's book on THE BILDERBERG CLUB.
I have shipped an autographed copy of my hard to find second book, A PLANNED DECEPTION to Mr. Hall. Thanks to him and all others who participated!
I am trying to book Daniel Estulin for my show and his publicist assures me I am on the list for as soon as he returns from his present travels from his home in Spain to CUBA! Dr. Stanley Monteith has his own ideas on why Castro may or may not have said this. I'm not presently sure if we agree or disagree. At any rate, Dr. Stan will be joining me tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern time (5 p.m. Pacific time) to discuss our respective opinions.
Join us and stay tuned! www.themicroeffect.com. Join us in the chatroom as well!
CONSTANCE
hi folks,can you believe this is all happening? i was unable to listen to the show tonight, unfortunately. there is something i'm wondering about and i'd like to mention. Barbara Aho teaches that there will be a false trib. period, a false rapture and A FALSE ANTICHRIST as put forth by a very deceptive satanic agency-designed to fake us out, throw us off, and set us up for the kill! I admit this is very strange to imagine. It's like some sort of double negative/counter intuitive/ reverse psychology / evil genius scheme. WOE to the inhabitants thereof... YIKES. What does anyone know or think of this possible strategy? or know of B. Aho herself?? truely,tony in vermont
ReplyDeleteShe{barb aho} also teaches that the mark of the beast is the "star of david" and that a microchip will also be incorporated for financial transactions/ and that mystery babylon is Israel or actually JERUSALEM! and that the antichrist will come from the tribe of dan/. tont/vt.
ReplyDeleteshe teaches that ANTIPAS min isteries {steven shearer} is a CIA front etc./ She seems to go deep with stuff. I'm impressionable and very curious as i scout about and feel influence from all of everybodies research and wonder... I'm like everyone - looking for a feedback loop on this interpretation of it all. If anyone wants to respond, i"m like Ross Peroe "all ears".tony/vt
ReplyDeleteI don't mean to throw a wrench into the works/ or get off subject w/ her thoughts and her conclusions, but unless I'm wrong she{B. Aho} is a very legitimet researcher and this info could be crucial. tony/vt. I don't believe her to be antisemitic/ she is against the corrupt faction of jews and certainly not the remnant of GODS choice jews.
ReplyDeleteMore info on Aho.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.intotruth.org/sum_heb-old.html
On Estulin, while I noted that others were discussing the use of questionable sources in the previous thread. I would also like to add that Estulin often works within the Infowars/ Alex Jones sphere. This includes associations with Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, and a few others known to espouse New Age beliefs. All that said, I still would like to hear how such a interview might turn out.
ReplyDeletethank you anon.11:37 / it looks worthy and informative,- the link - and tomarrow, if time allows, i will read up for sure/ i gleaned it tonight/ ready now for shut-eye. thanks again! maybe Aho is a trouble- maker w/ an agenda. HEAVENS TO BETSY.....now imagine that!! like john lennon said, " all i want is the TRUTH - just gimme some TRUTH!!!! Is Barbara out of her mind!?? is she posessed?! This is bewildering to me all in all. Prophesy can go off to the land of confusion. but IRON can sharpen IRON, and the confusion gets ironed out. Jesus will see to that and He is the Focal point, after all, He alone is are all in all. thanks again for responding and giving me a sense of balance thru a widened perspective. good nite/this is tony from vermont
ReplyDeleteWhoops / HE[JESUS] ALONE is our ALL IN ALL.. Bye the way , whats up w/ glen beck ? and is alex jones really the hero in his new book? THE OVERTON WINDOW. and who the antichrist empire - the new world order folk or radical islam?? or are they one in the same?
ReplyDeleteIt may be trite to call it an onion but our situation does seem to be that you peel back one layer and find another and another and another. B. Aho, I am told, was at one time, and may still be, a tongue-speaker. For me that is a problem since I believe Charismania is another of the delusions being used. But I believe she is right about Antipas. I believe that bunch are CIA or something like it.
ReplyDeleteBarbara Aho Alert
ReplyDeletehttp://discernment.co.za/alert/BA.cfm
If you do your own research on Barbara Aho you will find she is not a credible source of information.
I was fooled by her site years ago and began to do my own research.
Lucinda Warner
Here is a quote and another site that has done research on Barbara Aho.
ReplyDelete"Perceptive web surfers and those of you who enjoy conspiracy theories are probably aware by now of the series of articles that the redoubtable Mrs Aho of Watch Unto Prayer has produced in her never-ending quest to uncover strange plots and secret agendas.
She has called her latest effort "The Conspiracy Was Strong" under the general heading "The Discernment Ministries" and there she continues her pursuit of the elusive Illuminati change-agents that deceive the Church - to wit, "discernment ministries"."
You can read the rest here
http://www.intotruth.org/misc/Aho.html
Lucinda Warner
Anonymous 12:13 A.M.
ReplyDeleteRe:and who the antichrist empire - the new world order folk or radical islam?? or are they one in the same?
They may all be heading in the direction of a "harmonic convergence!"
With regard to Fethullah Gulen Movement, the Gulen Movement and Javier Solana...........
As we know from news reports, Javier Solana has become a member of the Brookings Institute and has been hob-nobbing around Russia and the former Eastern bloc countries with his "new best friend" Strobe Talbott. The Brookings Institute appears to support the Fethullah Gulen Movement.
Turkish Islamists also cultivated academics. After Georgetown University’s John Esposito received donations from the Gulen movement, he sponsored a conference in the Islamist cult leader’s honor, whitewashing both Fethullah Gulen’s Islamism and his anti-Semitism. The University of North Texas similarly received Gulen’s largesse, as does Washington, D.C.’s Brookings Institution, which has long peddled a soft line toward Erdogan and his agenda...read more...
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/
printarticle.cfm/turkey--from-
ally-to-enemy-15464
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One of the objectives behind the Gulen Movement is reportedly a restoration of the Ottoman Empire -which would encompass some of the former Soviet satellites whose ethnic and religious culture is primarily Muslim.
At least since the fall of the former Soviet Union, it has been assumed that Gulen's sympathies are with the West, and it is known that the West, for the most part, supports Gulen. In fact, Bill Gates is among the funders of the Gulen Movement.
However, there are others who say that Gulen's "friendship" with the West is a "friendship" that is being feigned with a view to implementing his globalist hidden agenda with greater impunity.
CRITICISMS OF GULEN AND THE GULEN MOVEMENT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement
Moreover, if former FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds is to be believed.....and so far I haven't found any convincing evidence that she is not to be believed, Gulen's movement is being largely funded by the heroin trade.......
Gulen Movement Funded by Heroin Via the CIA?
FamilySecurityMatters.org 29 June 2010
By Paul Williams, PhD
Court records and the testimony of former government officials show that Fethullah Gulen, who presently resides in Pennsylvania, has amassed more than $25 billion in assets from the heroin route which runs from Afghanistan to Turkey.
Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator, testified that the drug money has been channeled into Gulen’s coffers by the C.I.A.
"A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes,” Ms. Edmonds said. "After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the US via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago, and Paterson, New Jersey.”
Ms. Edmonds further said that Turkish diplomats, who would never be searched by airport officials, have come into the country "with suitcases of heroin.”
According to Ms. Edmonds and other government witnesses, Gulen began to receive funding from the CIA in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union when federal officials realized that the U.S. could not obtain control of the vast energy resources of the newly created Russian republics because of deep-seated suspicion of American motives......read more.....
http://europenews.dk/en/node/33332
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If the West supports the Gulen Movement, it is largely because it is believed that a restored Ottoman Empire sympathetic to the West would be conducive to preserving our oil interests in that area - besides serving as a buffer against further Russian encroachments into Europe.
http://islamizationwatch.blogspot
.com/2010/05/bill-gates-funds
-gulen-islamist.html
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cont.....
ReplyDeleteAnother important point to note is that the impending collapse of secularism in Turkey - believed to be due largely to the Gulen Movement's successful infiltration of Turkish culture, politics and military - appears to be one of the chief impediments to Turkey's membership in the European Union.
What many are not aware of is that even if these impediments were overcome, there seems to be a growing ambivalence towards joining the EU on the part of the Turkish population.
http://euobserver.com/9/27421
There is also a growing concern that if a "Gulenist" Turkey does become a member of the EU, lawyers and politicians educated in the Gulenist schools and colleges would be able to play the "zenophobia card" in perceived instances of discrimination against EU citizens who happen to be of Trukish nationality and spin the Lisbon Treaty in such a way as to support the enforcement of Sharia law even in Europe. Given the fact that it is becoming more evident that Turkey's sympathies are becoming increasngly anti-Israel and are increasingly shifting more towards Russia and Iran, this does not bode well for Israel, the United States or Europe.
As Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkınma Partisi, AKP) begins its seventh year in leadership, Turkey is no longer the secular and democratic country that it was when the party took over. The AKP has conquered the bureaucracy and changed Turkey's fundamental identity. Prior to the AKP's rise, Ankara oriented itself toward the United States and Europe. Today, despite the rhetoric of European Union accession, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has turned Turkey away from Europe and toward Russia and Iran and reoriented Turkish policy in the Middle East away from sympathy toward Israel and much more toward friendship with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Syria. Anti-American, anti-Christian, and anti-Semitic sentiments have increased. Behind Turkey's transformation has been not only the impressive AKP political machine but also a shadowy Islamist sect led by the mysterious hocaefendi (master lord) Fethullah Gülen; the sect often bills itself as a proponent of tolerance and dialogue but works toward purposes quite the opposite. Today, Gülen and his backers (Fethullahcılar, Fethullahists) not only seek to influence government but also to become the government....read entire article.......
http://www.meforum.org/
2045/fethullah-gulens-grand
-ambition
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See also....
FROM ALLY TO ENEMY
http://www.commentarymagazine.com
/printarticle.cfm/turkey--from
-ally-to-enemy-15464
continued...
cont...
ReplyDeleteAs for Javier Solana and Strobe Talbott, it has already become apparent that Solana favors the Palestinian cause over that of Israel, so it would not be unreasonable to conclude that he would tend to favor the interests of like-minded world leaders.
As for Strobe Talbott, perhaps we ought to go back and review the cozy relationship that Strobe Talbott had with the former Soviet union and with Russia in order to understand what could happen if Fethulleh Gulen morphs into another Ayatollah Khomeini like the one that rose to power in Iran - with help from the western powers, including Talbott! Interestingly, the Russian defector, Sergei Tretyakov, who wrote about that cozy relationship between Talbott and Russia is now dead - as of June 13.....and under what some are claiming to be suspicious circumstances.
One more thing......Gulen's New Age Movement orientation may very well be embodied in his Sufi beliefs.
On page 19 of the following document, it is reported that Gulen has been engaged in an intellectual project since 1991;
....a compilation of essays running into four volumes, entitled Key Concepts of Sufism. Here Gülen looks at key terminology and values in the practice of Sufism by locating these concepts within the
Qur’an, the sunnah and the lifetime of the Prophet. Gülen oscillates between concepts such
as ashq, jazba, tevazu, tevekul, vasil, halvet, kurb-buud, and the Qur’an, Hadith and practice
of great Sufi masters. Thus, in these essays, Gülen is legitimising Sufi practice, thought and
perception. He is meticulously threading a theological and philosophical link between Sufism
and the sharia. In doing so, Gülen is strengthening one of the fundamental dynamics and underlying
bedrock of Anatolian Muslimness, namely Sufi appreciation and perception.
These essays were clearly intended for Muslims. Its purpose is to spiritually reform. To do so,
it defines and contextualises Sufi concepts in Islamic sources. Turkish Muslims do not need
to be convinced of the legitimacy of Sufism in Islam. They accept this outright. I therefore
argue that the primary audience of these works are not Turks but the wider Muslim world
which, according to Gülen, desperately needs the Sufi touch. For Gülen, Sufism (or tassawuf
to use a better word), is the spirit of Islam and a practice void of this is didactic, rigid and
conformist.....read more.....
http://gulenmovement.info/user
files/file/Proceedings/Prcd%20-
%20Keles,%20O.pdf
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Sufism
Ancient Persian mystical religious system which has been absorbed by Islam. Rather than focusing on the Five Pillars of Islam, Sufis seek ultimate religious experience through mystic trances or altered states of consciousness, often induced through twirling dances (the “whirling dervish”). Although the Qur'an is considered scripture, many practitioners have more in common with the New Age movement than with classic forms of Islam.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/
a/Sufism/id/293028
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In the following article, Sufis are described as pantheists!
SUFIS: THE MYSTICAL MUSLIMS
http://www.equip.org/articles/sufis-the-mystical-muslims
P.S.
ReplyDeleteI would like to take the time to thank Dorothy for bringing the Gulen Movement to my attention.
GULEN MUSLIMS
ReplyDeleteThanks Susanna for keeping the topic alive. You've encouraged me to post more. Your selection of excerpts was well chosen. I'm glad we are working together on this.
I've accumulated a list of 40 links and that didn't exhaust what was on the internet regarding this international network.
If the Gulen international network is more than you want to tackle, start with the Gulen charter schools stealth network here in the US that operates in many states. These schools attract many students, other than Muslims, because of their supposed excellence in teaching math and science. Many parents have no idea of the Muslim connection while at the same time students gradually adapt Muslim New Age ideas.
http://www.charterschoolwatchdog.com/frogs-in-the-kettle-waiting-to-be-boiled.html
http://tinyurl.com/28fers8
also
http://ramparts360.com/?s=gulen
http://tool.donation-net.net/Images/Email/1097/Gulen_movement.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/2e537gn
This a Janes Report on the movement.
It is an excellent overview which has a section which shows how Gulen people speak out of both sides of their mouth even though they claim they are interfaith.
Dorothy
Thanks JD and Dorothy from the previous thread for looking at my post about Estulin's questionable sources.
ReplyDeleteHe may have good info on the New Age/Theosophy movement, but that doesn't mean he's right about everything. Deception can come in many forms but there is only one truth. I don't think I am able to listen to this radio show, but I hope people will keep in mind when listening to him that just because someone uncovers a deception doesn't mean they aren't also deceived. Let's always keep our eyes and ears open!
...and I wrote that before realizing that Estulin was not a confirmed guest on the show yet. My comment about being wary of what he says still stands, though.
ReplyDeleteThe following downloadable books, from Google, are quite simply, 'MUST HAVES' for anyone's library.
ReplyDeleteThe life of Mohammed; Founder of the Religion of Islam, and of the Empire of the Saracens.
By the Rev. George Bush, A. M.
New York, 1831 [283 pages; 12 MB]
http://tinyurl.com/2weuuh9
The life of Mohammed; Founder of the Religion of Islam, and of the Empire of the Saracens.
By the Rev. George Bush, A. M.
New York, 1858 [279 pages; 6.27 MB]
http://tinyurl.com/36pb4g5
The Christian Examiner and General Review, Volume 9; New Series, Volume 4, has an excellent critique on Bush's, 'The Life of Mohammed..', and also on Blair's Sermon. (see, pp. 360-375, & p.343, respectively.)
http://tinyurl.com/3x8pwfj
Hi Tony,
ReplyDeleteI have enormous respect for Barbara Aho and much of her past work. Unfortunately, however, she has gone off on some very clear occult tangents of her own of a clearly antisemitic nature and I don't know what to make of her now. I have tried without success to make contact with her over the years. I'm not at all sure I can nod my head in agreement with her current theories.
Constance
Part of what Barbara Aho had to say about part of the Discernment Ministries may have well been correct. I say this with sadness, but also with knowledge.
ReplyDeleteConstance
Part of what Barbara Aho had to say about part of the Discernment Ministries may have well been correct. I say this with sadness, but also with knowledge.
ReplyDeleteConstance
Barbara Aho was quoting some of the worst of Henry Ford's works against the Jews with strong approval. Henry Ford was a follower of Krishnamurti and well into the Theosophical scene.
ReplyDeleteConstance
Thanks JD for the additional information. Listening to people like Estulin requires a lot of work. Every single thing he says has to be checked out with other sources.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that most people like gossip, never checking things out. I call it the "what have they done to us lately" syndrome. They hear something and run off to their neighbors with the latest piece of gossip from people like Rense and Alex Jones.
Be careful when listening to Estulan.
Dorothy
OT: Does anyone know anything about the pastor David Platt, author of "Radical"? Someone suggested reading this book. Looks okay on the surface, but though my research so far I can't find any information on his theology. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
ReplyDeleteAnon 2:04,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the links to the
Bush book(s) on Mohammed.
Interesting that Christians scholars
back then recognized Mohammedism
as a Christian cult, as opposed
to a whole new religion.
Also interesting that Mohammed
died as the result of poisoning
from one of his own followers
and didn't actually ascend into
heaven on a white horse as
they believe.
His virulent hatred of all things
Jewish and/or Christian were
made clear, though, for
anyone who has never read the
Koran.
Yes. Be careful listening to Estulin. He'll turn you into a frog.
ReplyDeleteI relocated my copy of Estulin's book on the Bilderberg Club. I see that he used Eustace Mullins as a source. Query, does he know as much about Mullins as we do -- that Mullins is an integral part of the Tavistock network, Lucis Trust network, Bollingen Foundation network and that his buddy Ezra Pound ditto.
ReplyDeleteConstance
I posted this on the previous thread, but it bears repeating here:
ReplyDelete""Hatonn" is clearly the penmanship, literary abomination/creation of one Useless, ooops, Eustace Mullins!
It took me quite a little while years back to sort out that Gyeorges Ceres Hatonn was one and same as the commander of the "Intergalactic Space Fleet." The New Age part was sealed with the "welcome chelas."
Constance
7:24 PM"
Eustace Mullins and I have been at war since 1986 -- the year I learned of the Ezra Pound connection and Mullins' very clear Nazi activism.
ReplyDeleteConstance
FYI - UK Daily Mail newspaper reports;
ReplyDeleteSpecial Investigation: As France expels its gipsies, is this a chilling echo of the Nazis... or just a desperate attempt to tackle crime?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1306885/Special-Investigation-As-France-expels-gipsies-chilling-echo-Nazis--just-desperate-attempt-tackle-crime.html
Tiny - http://tinyurl.com/2ugxvdq
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Telegraph newspaper reports;
UN warns France over Roma deportations
France has received a stern UN warning to avoid collective deportations of Roma and to refrain from "discriminatory" political speeches against minorities.
Read more:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7968460/UN-warns-France-over-Roma-deportations.html
Tiny - http://tinyurl.com/39bebjj
~K~
UK Telegraph newspaper also reported earlier:
ReplyDeleteFrance to seek support for Roma expulsion
France is to seek support for its drive to expel ethnic gipsies to eastern Europe at a special summit of carefully selected interior ministers next week.
Read more:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7962587/France-to-seek-support-for-Roma-expulsion.html
Tiny - http://tinyurl.com/24zcf4v
~K~
Well i've seen enough now about barbara aho to curb my infatuation with, what might be termed, her spell; that she weaves so mystifyingly. Thanks Lucinda, for the links. Thanks Constance for your responses. Also i can, like susanna mentioned, envision a dis-harmonic convergence of it all, coming together like connecting parts in a strong satanic delusion/ why not? NAM NWO RADICAL ISLAM UFOLOGY etc. George Orwell said, in his Big brother book 1984, which he wrote in 1948, that the ELITE-CONTROLLERS create crisis, and fabricate wars or fabricate crisis so to create wars! either way they bring hell on earth in the name of greed and lust for power. Orwell understood that man is flawed and he hit the nail on the head when he said, " the men of high status and world prominence are driven by the same irrational drives as the bullies in the schoolyard!" not to worry, THE CONQUEROR IS ON HIS WAY, as evil becomes ripe for the harvest.amen! boy i like that word , harvest. Its a beautiful word, like supertime...and marriage super and wedding feast and lamb of God and Hosanna in the Highest! Also, i like that word, cosmic-but its just the way they use it, that offends my, sense of survival.then i remember the 23rd Psalm. blessing to all... tony in vt
ReplyDeleteObama's Collective Salvation
ReplyDeleteSorry if this has been posted before:
http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/collective-salvation
In Collective Salvation, Obama is arguing you can't be saved alone. You have to make sure everyone else joins you.
Sounds like New Age "Christ consciousness" to me.
Constance 4:55
ReplyDeleteHenry Ford, as you have mentioned, was a key influence on Hitler - Hitler is quoted as saying that much of his views regarding Jewish people were influenced by Ford. Hitler created the country's highest medal of honor for Ford. He had Ford's picture hanging on the wall behind his office desk. He referred to him as his friend Heinrich.
Dave in CA
Constance,
ReplyDeletePlease check your gmail for Thanks-JD
Constitutionalists = extremists
ReplyDelete"A recent Department of Justice guide for investigators of criminal and extremist groups lists “constitutionalists” and “survivalists” alongside organizations like Al-Qaeda and the Aryan Brotherhood. The 120-page, “Law Enforcement Sensitive” guide to “Investigating Terrorism and Criminal Extremism – Terms and Concepts” describes itself as “a glossary designed primarily as a tool for criminal justice professionals to enhance their understanding of words relating to extremist terminology, phrases, activities, symbols, organizations, and selected names that they may encounter while conducting criminal investigations or prosecutions of members of extremist organizations."
http://publicintelligence.net/department-of-justice-lists-survivalists-constitutionalists-in-extremism-guide/
http://tinyurl.com/2v9v49w