TIME TO WAKE UP?6:48 P.M. UPDATE: And read this!
UPDATE: Read this!
Javier Solana has evidently had another highly successful day on his new Middle East tour in pursuit of peace in the region. Read all about it by clicking here AND here.
Time for just about all of us to really wake up!
Time for just about all of us to really wake up!
CONSTANCE
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE LAST APRIL:
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The Federal Communications Commission took its first step Wednesday into the national debate on how to blanket the country with high-speed Internet, a top priority for President Barack Obama.
The commission approved a broad set of questions designed to solicit opinions from consumers, telecom companies and state and local governments, to name a few. Everyone has something to lose or gain in the process, and the public comment docket will be lengthy with disparate opinions. The FCC must present its broadband plan to Congress by February of next year.
"If we do our jobs right, this will be the most formative and, I believe, transformative proceeding ever in this commission's history," said Acting Chairman Michael Copps during an FCC public hearing.
"The FCC on Wednesday also approved a proposal to improve data collection about broadcasting entities owned by women and minorities
"In some ways, the FCC is late to the broadband party. For almost a month, potential applicants have been filing comments with the Commerce Department and the U.S. Department of Agriculture about how they should run a $7 billion grant program for Internet buildout in hard-to-serve areas.
"While Commerce and USDA are tasked with doling out grant money over the next 18 months, the FCC is expected to be the big thinker in terms of Internet policy. USDA and Commerce officials say they will be in constant consultation with the FCC as they develop their grant criteria.
"Mr. Copps outlined a few issues the FCC will focus on as it outlines its plan. "Ensuring broadband openness, avoiding invasions of peoples' privacy, and ensuring cyber security are three such challenges that come immediately to mind," he said.
"Much of what the FCC does now is simply teeing up the ideas that a new FCC chairman will carry out. Julius Genachowski, Mr. Obama's nominee to head the FCC, hasn't been confirmed for the post.
"Meanwhile, lawmakers, telecom companies, consumer advocates are weighing in on the areas they think deserve FCC focus. Last week, House Energy and Commerce Telecommunications Subcommittee Chairman Rick Boucher, D-Va., warned against "onerous" conditions on Internet grants that could deter private companies from seeking them.
"Telecom companies are wary of "open access" conditions that could be attached to government grants. Internet advocates, however, want the FCC to make a clear commitment to nondiscrimination in terms of Internet applications.
"The commission will seek data on Internet availability as well as people's use of it, particularly groups that are less likely to be wired up - people in lower income brackets, those with disabilities, minorities, and seniors.
DARK DEEPENING SHADES OF REV. 13?
Constnace
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123920234702501375.html
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Constance
And this has been cooking since 2000:
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Pacific Century Cyberworks (PCCW) and Telstra are in talks with overseas carriers to establish a $4 billion global broadband cable net work, sources close to PCCW reported.
In its initial phase, the network would span Asia, North America, and Europe, but would eventually be extended to encircle the globe, they said. The network would operate as a stand-alone business with a new Internet protocol backbone joint venture between PCCW and Telstra as its dominant shareholder, they said
This has been brewing since 2002:
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or http://tinyurl.com/kk97hz
"Pacific Century Cyberworks (PCCW) and Telstra are in talks with overseas carriers to establish a $4 billion global broadband cable net work, sources close to PCCW reported.
In its initial phase, the network would span Asia, North America, and Europe, but would eventually be extended to encircle the globe, they said. The network would operate as a stand-alone business with a new Internet protocol backbone joint venture between PCCW and Telstra as its dominant shareholder, they said . . ."
And now, milirarey people are standing before us on Cspan with Government Use of New Technology .. .
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Well - it certainly is getting extremely interesting -
ReplyDeleteAs we had said before - the fall will be interesting season.
DouginMI
Interesting developments in light of this headline from Fox News:
ReplyDelete"Senate Bill Would Give President Emergency Control of Internet"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/
Constance, I have memorized Revelation 13 and am continuing to memorize the entire book. It certainly sounds like were diving in!
Terri
There is no question things are moving fast with regard to prophetic fulfillment.
ReplyDeleteCRITICAL COMMUNICATIONS TOWERS IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA IN DANGER FROM FIRE
ReplyDeleteStrike force formed to save communications towers
Daily News Wire
08/30/2009
MOUNT WILSON - Firefighters will attempt to keep a strike force of fire engines on Mount Wilson, where critical communications facilities are in jeopardy of being overrun, a fire official said.
"Our original plan was to pull all firefighters off of it now," said Mark Savage of the Los Angeles County Fire Department. "Right now, a strike team of engines is seeing if they can find a safe place to shelter up there. We are concerned that it will be overrun and we think it will burn, but we are not sure if the communication facilities will be overrun."
By late afternoon, a huge plume of smoke rose from the western side of the peak, and the fire was creating winds pushing it to the east up the peak.
"It's not a question of if, it's a question of when," Savage said earlier.
View Station Fire in a larger map
Dozens of TV technicians are normally are stationed at Mount Wilson to keep 22 Los Angeles TV stations operating, along with about 25 fm radio stations and vital police and fire radio dispatch equipment functioning.
"Everybody is off the mountain -- there was one last caretaker, but they took him off," said fire info officer Larry Marinas.
Fire officials were huddling at the command post in Lakeview Terrace, and an update on the blaze was expected around 7:30 p.m.
Most electronic operations on the mountain can be run by remote control, but power and communication lines are vulnerable.
Most satellite and cable companies have direct feeds from major TV stations to bypass a failure on Mount Wilson, but over the air TV and FM signals could be lost, along with hundreds of public safety radio repeaters that amplify signals from Tijuana to Santa Barbara.
hi Constance,
ReplyDeleteI haven't been checking in here much, but found this definition of religion on Wikipedia as of 3AMEST August 31, 2009 very interesting, and thought I should share it here. It has since been changed, but I am posting it here to remind people NOT to use Wikipedia as a source for information.
"A religion is an organized exploitation of human spiritual vulnerabilities which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth. People practicing religion are usually weak-minded and vulnerable, making them easy preys for religious leaders. [1] It may be expressed through prayer, satanistic rituals, sexual orgies, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience."
It's a conditional peace. Israel has to enforce UN laws and give up the West bank, Golan Heights, and East Jerusalem. The Question is will Israel agree?
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Young Grasshopper:
ReplyDeleteGood to hear from you. Wikipedia is very much a MIXED BAG these days, depending on who edited which particular article and what their particular agenda may have been. Unfortunately, the same thing goes for just about every encyclopedia out there. Use a rule of INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION and one of my favorite scriptures LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR.
Constance
Refresh your browser, please. I have added this crucial new information:
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or
http://tinyurl.com/lxayed
Constance
World Council of Churches: Israel is sin against God.
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Both Young Grasshopper and Constance are right in their assessment of Wikipedia.
ReplyDeleteI find Wikipedia useful as a good jumping off point for further independent research when I need simple basic introductory information about a particualr person, place or thing.
But I don't think it is a good idea to get into the habit of relying on Wikipedia as the "last word" on any given topic.
I have seen some rather biased articles there myself - something that has no place in what is supposed to be an objective encyclopedic online text.
http://tinyurl.com/mjn3yn
ReplyDelete$1000 Per Day Fine And 30 Days In Jail For Refusing The Swine Flu Vaccine In Massachusetts?
A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that. More at the link.
Dorothy
Its happening faster than I can comment on it -- refresh browser and read linked stories.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
Constance
Norman Grubb's (the chief biographer of Abraham (Abram)Vereide (founder of ICL, "The Family", predecessor of Doug Coe) younger brother, Sir Kenneth Grubb was pretty much THE FOUNDER of the World Council of Churches. He also was a co-founder of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) as well. VERY INTERESTING FAMILY TIES AND DISTURBING DIRECTIONS!
ReplyDeleteThe current Israeli government has made it clear that Jerusalem is not up for division. Will this trigger a war if Israel refuses to give up Jerusalem.
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Dear Dorothy,
ReplyDeleteThat is disturbing news, indeed.
Thanks for the link.
By His Grace,
-SV
Maybe a war by mid-2010????
ReplyDeletehttp://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/27/kennedy.gay.rights/index.html
ReplyDeleteLet this be his epitaph: Ted Kennedy killed a woman and joked about it.
ReplyDeleteAnother new significant article from the Arab press on Solana and Company:
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" While Solana seeks new "process", Hamas rejects deportation of Palestinian prisoners
Tel Aviv, 31 August – In a bid to get a “process” restarted, top European diplomats led by EU Foreign Policy Representative Javier Solana met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Shimon Peres, while Quartet Middle East envoy Tony Blair met Israel's foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman. Shimon Peres said the Israeli government intends to hold discussions about a final peace agreement between Palestinian and Israelis only in an undetermined far-off future, while it preferring to deal, for the time being, only with economic issues and the further development of a Palestinian armed security forces capable of combating Palestinian anti-occupation forces. "We support the policy of economic development, of building a security strength for the Palestinians so they can confront their enemies, the people who threaten their independence, and that can clearly be continued and can go further to the point where the Palestinians have clear authority over different parts of the country - of the West Bank," Peres said, referring to the enclaves inside the Occupied Territories, carved out by the Israeli occupation authorities as “zones A”. . . ."
I meant to put this in the current thread.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.iss.europa.eu/uploads/media/What_ambitions_for_European_defence_in_2020.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/mn6v7k
What ambitions for European defence in 2020
Institute for Security Studies
Preface by Javier Solana
I leave this for those of you who better understand these things.
Dorothy
Savage says liberalism is a mental illness. He may be right. Read this and see how paranoid these Obama followers are. It's so strange it's almost funny. Which Alinsky suggestion is it that they must always call names like first graders whose mommies never taught them manners.
ReplyDeleteSample: "All 50 States are coordinating in this – as we fight back against our own Right-Wing Domestic Terrorists who are subverting the American Democratic Process, whipped to a frenzy by their Fox Propaganda Network ceaselessly re-seizing power for their treacherous leaders."
I guess they know how paranoid their audience is.
http://tinyurl.com/nukwe4
Dorothy
Could this lead to a false Armageddon,with the AntiChrist (Maitreya?) popping up in time to "save" everyone?
ReplyDeleteDear Constance, have you tried searching 'maitreya' on the noetic sciences website?
ReplyDeleteThere are a couple of interesting leads, with one about an invitation given to Wayne S. Peterson to speak at a Noetic conference. I then googled, "Wayne S. Peterson", and looked at his website, on which he praises and promotes the devil Maitreya.
Peterson states he was a diplomat, who met with Maitreya and his entourage of devils ("ascended masters"). Anyway, please check Peterson's website at: www.waynepeterson.com
there's quite a lot out there on Gorbachev and his connections to Maitreya, what do you think about this please? Moreover, can you tell me if Solana has supposedly met this Maitreya thing? Thank you, Rob.
7:38 AM
THE REAL TEDDY KENNEDY: DEADLY LEGACY FOR AMERICA
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While he battled with brain cancer, we battle for our nation’s life. While he sailed his boat around Martha’s Vineyard, we picked up millions of pieces of trash on our borders from invading illegal alien hordes that he encouraged. While he tipped yet another glass of wine, we struggled to maintain our schools, communities, hospitals and prisons from this illegal invasion. While he sat on his barnyard-wide rear-end for 40 years in the Senate creating the problems that now destroy our nation, we watched the American Dream turn into a nightmare.
Contrary to the media across the nation fawning over the senator, Ted Kennedy may be likened to Nero of Rome who fiddled while it burned. Kennedy drank while we fought for our nation’s survival. Kennedy ate at the finest tables while we struggled with his voting for H-1B and H-2B visas that displaced millions of American workers. Kennedy sailed his boat while our nation sank into consequences of a dysfunctional and unsustainable nation.
Because of Kennedy, our successful culture finds itself turning into a foreign culture that failed, i.e., Mexico. The March PEW report shows Mexicans in America becoming the new dominate majority by 2042 at 53 percent.
In other words, rather than serving America and our future, Senator Ted Kennedy destroyed our America just as quickly as he took Mary Jo Kopechne’s life on a drunken night somewhere back in the 60s. As she fought for her life in that car as the waters rose above her, he escaped.
Kennedy made bad choices. America made bad choices. The world is making bad choices.
ReplyDeletePerfectly okay to link these facts, and lament the passing of an evil man.
Maybe it's time to move on from pointing to Kennedy's history. There is too much going on to stop there.
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Muslim film: Christian messiah is the Antichrist
"A small Muslim production company has made a big splash with its 52-part documentary called "The Arrivals."
"Since being posted on YouTube in June, the documentary has gone viral with over a quarter million views to date....
"The documentary is a whirlwind tour of Muslim apocalyptic narratives intermixed liberally with anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist themes. Although clearly home-spun, "The Arrivals" is a magnetic kitchen mix of every conspiracy imaginable,..."
Are we seeing another culture formed with a mix of radical Muslims, and the far radical right and far radical left in this country?
Will we who have been fighting the New Age movement with facts be thrown into some kind of a category of those opposing the establishment? How can we prevent this?
I got to tell you what I was thinking before I left for vacation last week. I was thinking about how they are going to shut down any dissenting voice on the radio through "diversity". I remember thinking that they really needed to find a way to control the internet. Looks like that now has happened.
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I was also surprised that there hasn't been more of a push to get Obama-care through because of Senator Kennedy's passing.
I did hear that they mentioned Obama-Care in part of the funeral where the congregation responds "Lord Hear our Prayer" part of the Mass.
I heard Glen Beck say one time that they are building an skelton of something new inside the current system that will be there when there is an "emergency"
WE SHOULD TRAIN OUR POLITICIANS LIKE WE TRAIN OUR DOGS
ReplyDeleteDogs and politicians need rules, boundaries, and limitations.
September 1, 2009 By Frank J. Fleming
We get angry with politicians a lot.
They seem to behave erratically and often work against our interests. At times, it’s like they don’t even hear us. It’s frustrating. They just seem like bad politicians, running around trying to pass laws they haven’t even read. We get angry and want to yell at them, but that only makes things worse.
I think we need a new model for approaching politicians. My suggestion: Cesar Millan, the Dog Whisperer.
Cesar’s philosophy is that he rehabilitates dogs and trains people, because a dog’s behavior is really a reflection of its owner’s energy. In the same way, maybe there aren’t bad politicians, but instead, a politician’s behavior is a reflection of his voters. If voters learn to give off the right energy, then we can have calm, submissive, balanced politicians who do what they’re supposed to do.
See, with a dog, a person needs to be the pack leader so the dog knows whom it should follow. If no one acts like the leader, the dog will think it’s in charge and not listen to commands. Similarly, politicians need to be constantly reminded that the people are in charge. Otherwise, they’ll begin to think they’re in charge and not listen to people — and maybe even try to boss them around. So we all just need to learn how to show politicians that we are the pack leaders.
For example, a lot of people are trying to get different behaviors out of dogs and politicians by going to town hall meetings and yelling at them. Now, as Cesar would tell you, that is not a good strategy. While that might intimidate some of the more timid dogs and politicians, many of them will feed off that angry energy and only get more frantic, barking and calling everyone who disagrees with them racists and Klansmen.
Instead, we need to use calm, assertive energy to tell dogs and politicians what is expected of them. We need to say in a firm — but not angry — voice: “No.” Or: “Sir, you need to at least read the bill that would take over large sectors of the economy.”
The dogs and politicians will probably resist, so you’ll have to repeat this numerous times and remain calm yet forceful the whole time. It’s a challenge, but if you stick to calm, assertive behavior, eventually the dog or politician will realize who is in charge and relent.
As Cesar will tell you, dogs and politicians often act out because they don’t know what’s expected of them. To help with that, they need rules, boundaries, and limitations. For instance, our dog isn’t allowed in the kitchen. We make that clear to her by calmly making her leave any time she tries to enter. She constantly tests this since we just moved into a new house, but as long as we’re consistent, she will understand what her boundaries are.
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ReplyDeletePoliticians are the same way. Their rules, boundaries, and limitations are clearly defined in the Constitution, but the key is to be consistent in enforcing them so politicians will know what we expect of them.
For example, socialism is clearly not allowed, but politicians are constantly testing this boundary and often ignoring it entirely.
Why? We’re not always consistent about it. When the economy got so bad, we got tired of telling the politicians no and let them take over the auto industry. You can see why they’re now confused as to why we’re angry at them for trying to take over health care; it’s because we weren’t consistent. These mixed messages confuse and frustrate dogs and politicians and maybe even cause them to lash out.
Consistency is important, but that’s not all there is to handling your dog or politician. Cesar recommends that you give dogs and politicians exercise, discipline, and affection, in that order. He often thinks it’s good for a dog or a politician to have a job so that it can feel fulfilled and earn affection. So we can’t be yelling at our dogs or politicians until we’ve first given them some exercise by giving them something to do.
Right now, we expect little of our legislators and just let them run around in circles trying to pass earmarks for special interests. Instead, we need to give them a real task, like hunting down terrorists, that they have to complete before moving on to anything else. If they have to spend time on that each day, they’ll have less energy to meddle with other things and pass bills full of pork. Dogs and politicians love pork.
One of the big problems with Obama is that the press has often skipped right over exercise and discipline and gone straight to giving him affection. Without the exercise and the discipline, that just gives Obama energy to do bad things, like give us massive new debt. Once again, we need to give him clear tasks and only give him affection when he’s earned it.
If he hits some of the Taliban with a drone missile strike, then we can tell him, “That’s a very good president.” When affection comes after the exercise and the discipline, he’ll better understand what is expected of him and be a much more balanced president. Then we won’t have to worry so much about how he acts when we have company over (like foreign dignitaries).
Finally, Cesar constantly reminds everyone that dogs and politicians are not people, and you have to treat them like what they are: dogs and politicians. It can be frustrating when you’ve told the dog to stop barking for the fortieth time and told the politician to keep his hands off your wallet for the sixtieth time, but if you’re consistent, calm and assertive, give clear rules, boundaries, and limitations, and only give affection after exercise and discipline, you can have well-behaved canines and legislators.
Now go to a town hall and be a pack leader!
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/
we-should-train-our-politicians
-like-we-train-our-dogs/
Hi Dorothy,
ReplyDeleteAt 12:53 you said "Savage says liberalism is a mental illness. He may be right. Read this and see how paranoid these Obama followers are..."
I followed the link, it came up page moved, or no longer available type of message.
Didn't take long...
Thanks for the info on the Mass story re: the flu shots. Things are escalating unbelievably fast.
take care,
sarah
Earlier I posted a link to a website showing a new event, telephone calls on 9/11,posted by Obama's Organizing for America. It showed how Obama people are portraying those who oppose their health care plan. Well, they pulled the page. Another case of now you see it now you don't.
ReplyDeleteHere's the cached version so you can see what they wrote.
http://tinyurl.com/lmjfnn
Dorothy
Nobody "fiddles" around with cancer! What a compassionless thing to say. What evil thinking is this? Is strange how so many claim they're Christian and follow Jesus, yet don't obey His commandment to love. Nero spent his time hunting down Christians, creating so many martyrs of the faith. Ted Kennedy did not hunt down Christians.
ReplyDeleteHi Dorothy,
ReplyDeleteThis is also hand-in-hand with the Massachusetts H1N1 article.
http://tinyurl.com/ns8sme
The foundation is out there, just 'cause it hasn't been used "yet"...
Thanks!
take care,
sarah
Sorry,
ReplyDeleteI should give a bit more info rather than being so cryptic!
"State preps to relocate quarantined H1N1 victims: 'Your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable'"
sarah
From Drudge:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama%E2%80%99s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009
http://tinyurl.com/nr4qya
On September 8 Obama will talk to all public school children. There is a whole program set up. I wonder if he's going to teach them the Obama song those children sang during the campaign. You know the one with the angelic voices singing Obama will save the world.
Dorothy
Constance suspects Solana might BE Maitreya, at least that is what I SUSPECT.
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Re Sept 8. Remember the video of kids singing Obama's Gonna Save The World"? I couldn't find the video, but the lyrics can be found in the comments section here: http://tinyurl.com/nqfllh
ReplyDelete"If you can't access the video, the lyrics are below. The video has 20+ kids (probably in the 5-11 yo age range) singing the song below - We're gonna change the world. I urge you to find a PC that you can view the video. I promise it will bother you, unless you have already "come to Obama" as his followers like to say.
The paragraph and lyrics below are from Obama's official campaign website. The video was produced by NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker, Holly Schiffer, Peter Rosenfeld, Darin Moran, Jean Martin, Andy Blumenthal, and Nick Phoenix.
"Sing for Change chronicles a recent Sunday afternoon in Venice, when 22 children, ages 5-12, gathered to sing original songs in the belief that their singing would lift up our communities for the coming election."
WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD
Music and lyrics by Lily Campbell
We're gonna spread happiness
We're gonna spread freedom
Obama's gonna change it
Obama's gonna lead ‘em
We're gonna change it
And rearrange it
We're gonna change the world.
SING FOR CHANGE
Music and lyrics by Kathy Sawada
Now's the moment, lift each voice to sing
Sing with all your heart!
For our children, for our families,
Nations all joined as one.
Sing for joy and sing abundant peace,
Courage, justice, hope!
Sing together, hold each precious hand,
Lifting each other up;
Sing for vision, sing for unity,
Lifting our hearts to Sing!
YES WE CAN
Music and lyrics by Kathy Sawada
Yes we can
Lift each other up
In peace, in love, in hope
Change! Change! "
OBAMA LEAVE OUR KIDS ALONE
Dorothy
"On September 8 Obama will talk to all public school children. There is a whole program set up. I wonder if he's going to teach them the Obama song those children sang during the campaign. You know the one with the angelic voices singing Obama will save the world."
ReplyDeleteOne more reason to homeschool.
Many years ago I was in a school district that allowed parents to sit in on classes. I think it's part of the Sunshine law which means almost everything done by the school district has to be open to the public. I know some sat in on diversity days in schools in California.
ReplyDeleteAsk if as a taxpayer you can sit in on Obama's presentation in the school district's classroom.
Please pass this information on. If enough people sit in, maybe something can be done.
Dorothy
http://www.antimatterradio.com/
ReplyDeletewho is Max Plank?
The EU report (preface by JS) is most important. Thanks to Dorothy Margraf for the heads up on it. Here's the links again:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.iss.europa.eu/uploads/media/What_ambitions_for_European_defence_in_2020.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/mn6v7k
Constance
Just a thought.
ReplyDeleteIt seems the covenant of Daniel's prophecy in 9:27 is generally thought to be a "peace treaty" but I put forward a new thought for comment. In the whole prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 there is no actual mention of "peace" anywhere - it has been assumed by people for ages. The Septuagint - otherwise known as the LXX manuscript (which Jesus, the disciples and the early church read from ) does not mention any peace covenant either. Verse 27 in the LXX reads thus: "And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink offering shall be taken away ..."
My thought is that instead of the covenant dealing with "peace" it is a covenant which allows Jews to set up sacrificial offerings in exchange for things which the other treaty partners seek; but the Antichrist breaks this covenant halfway through. The breaking of the covenant is associated with the stopping of the sacrifices in verse 27 and I suggest it has nothing to do with a peace treaty! Looking forward to thoughts on this!
If you know something about a subject, and read a magazine article or Wikipedia about it, you always seem to find gross errors of fact. So yes, be careful about what Wiki says.
ReplyDeleteA ballet leader of the Joffrey Ballet died not too long ago. I went to Wiki to see what they said about him. Half of what they said was untrue as I know it. I knew this man as a young teenager when we were both in ballet school. I knew Robert Joffrey, who was in the same ballet school. It is possible
Wiki writers simply make things up.
Or it is, alternatively, possible that both Robert Joffrey and this other man, Jerry, who they said was his cousin, were lying to their fellow students as where they were born, their status as cousins, etc.
Is there truth anywhere that we can find?
So much untruth on the internet. I am not saying conspiracy theories about the coming anti-christ are false, I am saying how can I know which ones are false? Better to stick to your knitting and stop speculating. The AC can take care of his own matriculation.
Mariel
To Sharon down under in nz
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I would be surprised if anyone responds to your comments. Most on this blog spend more time reading internet posts than the Scriptures. They are too busy fighting off the NEW AGE instead making sure that they are "in the faith".
What other blogs do you follow? Maybe I can look you up and dialogue there with you. This blog is only for NEW AGE.
Anyone of any religion is welcome to join the fight and if anyone tries to warn them that they are in danger of hell for not putting their faith in Christ, they are to be ignored.
Notice the gospel is not a concern except for a few posters.
Thanks for your comments about Daniel. It is refreshing to see someone focusing on the Scripture. A breath of fresh air.
To Sharon in NZ: I have yet to read your comment as I started from the bottom up, but PLEASE LET ME CORRECT THE RECORD. This blog is not only for NEW AGE, although "NEW AGE" is important. I discovered the New Age Movement in looking at obvious apostasies to the Christian faith. Then I discovered that Jews and Moslems were also New Age targets. I most certainly am concerned about faith issues. We do have differences of opinions on this blog. If you want to email me privately, it is "cumbey@gmail.com."
ReplyDeleteAs for the purposes of my blog, it is stated at the top:
"News and views of Constance Cumbey concerning "Radical Middle", New Age Movement, Communitarianism, "planetary humanism," "global governance," European Union, Javier Solana, Jeremy Rifkin, "New Age Politics," law in the USA, combined with life in general -- sometimes humorous, sometimes not!"
I had a former career in political life at the appointive levels and was active. That was part of what helped me discover the New Age Movement. I have been an attorney since 1975.
Thank you for participating -- don't let them scare you off.
Constance
Since the New Age Movement is an attack on monotheistic faith, of course religion is not and cannot be irrelevant to the conversation.
ReplyDeleteI encourage polite discussions of same here.
Constance
Sharon, your thoughts are most definitely NOT irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteConstance
The Gospel Message:
ReplyDeleteJohn 12
47“As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say
Place your faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ before it is too late.
If you do not repent and turn to God by faith in the work of Christ on the cross, you will die in your sins and you will be judged for rejecting the perfect sacrafice of Jesus Christ for sin.
All the credentials and worldly knowlege man has will not benefit him or her when you stand before the Holy God.
The good news is that you cannot live the life that God requires, but Jesus did it for you and paid the pentalty for sin on your behalf. If you choose to stand before God in your own power and on your own merit, you will be condemned.
I am watching Fox 2 News, 11:55 a.m. and to my amazement saw some blatant spiritualism/"paranormal" given credence by supposed experiments hearing voices at an old theater. I did not catch the theater. Expect to hear MUCH MORE about UFO's, Yoga (Martha Stewart was pushing it aggressively this morning), etc.
ReplyDeleteJust as monotheistic religions are being marginalized, the New Age and paranormal are being pushed.
Constance
TO ANONYMOUS 11:41
ReplyDeleteI certainly hope your motive was to preach the gospel and not sarcasm.
God would certainly judge the latter.
"For whatever motive they are preaching the gospel, still the gospel is being preached."
Constance
Constance,
ReplyDeleteGiven Islam's estachology, against Jews and Christians. I am not sure how Monotheistic they truly are.
Muslim Book 001, Number 0289:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger or Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: I swear by Allah that the son of Mary will certainly descend as a just judge and he would definitely break the cross, and kill swine and abolish Jizya and would leave the young she-camel and no one would endeavour to (collect Zakat on it). Spite, mutual hatred and jealousy against one another will certainly disappear and when he summons people to accept wealth, not even one would do so.
'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)
http://muslim-responses.com/The_return_of_Jesus/The_return_of_Jesus_
Savvy
Constance,
ReplyDeleteHow in the world could
anon. 11:41 be taken as sarcastic?
To "Down Under in New Zealand":
ReplyDeleteReading from the KJV:
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make IT desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
I'm not sure any of us know the full meaning -- as I have often said, "time and events will tell."
I agree that it may be a false assumption about a time of peace. In fact, the portion of the prophecy "and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary . . . and until the end of the war desolations are determined" may well suggest there will not be.
The "confirm the covenant with many for one week" could possibly (but I am not conclusively sure -- TIME AND EVENTS WILL TELL) refer to the ENP (European Neighbourhood Policy) 7 year confirmation and strengthening of the earlier Barcelona Treaty that was negotiated by Javier Solana and signed by 27 nations including Israel on November 28, 1995. On November 20, 1995, the European Union and its Dr. Solana entered into the Treaty of Association with Israel. Its new period of existence, as I currently understand it was also to run from January 1, 2007 through December 31, 2013 with a mid-term review to take place in 2010.
2010 is also the year the Alliance of Civilizations machinery was to be in place as well as the European battlegroups. Tensions have clearly been increasing between the EU and Israel. If Israel balks at the EU/UN "Peace Plan" Javier Solana is attempting to impose upon them, things could be VERY DICEY by mid 2010.
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
Israel-EU Trade Agreement - November 1995
ReplyDeleteThe agreement is defined as a "Treaty of Association," establishing an association between Israel and the EU. The agreement is based upon the principle of ...
www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00ua0 - Cached - Similar
Israel-EU Trade Agreement to be signed
On 20 November 1995, Acting Prime Minister Peres traveled to Brussels to sign the Treaty of Association between Israel and the European Union. ...
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Israel among the nations: international and comparative law ... - Google Books Result
by Alfred E. Kellermann, Kurt Siehr, Talia ... - 1998 - Law - 392 pages
THE 1995 TREATY OF ASSOCIATION The southern expansion of the EC from 1981 to 1986, ... but especially for Israel, because it risked losing the traditional ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=9041111425...
Europe and Israel: Where Politics and Economics Do Not Meet ...
In November 1995, Israel and the EU'S 15 member states signed a Treaty of Association agreement replacing and updating the 1975 trade and cooperation ...
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One thousand and one facts everyone should know about Israel - Google Books Result
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and to strengthen economic relations between the EU and Israel. The "Treaty of Association" established an association between Israel and the EU based upon ...
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[CTRL] Constance Cumbey on Solana
... signed a treaty binding the European Union and Israel to a "Treaty of Association." It was scheduled to be implemented on January 1, 1997. ...
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Gretta Duisenberg: An Activist in the Trenches
Europe, if united, is by no means powerless: the Treaty of Association between Israel and the EU -- granting Israel many advantages -- could be suspended; ...
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by Guillermo A. O'Donnell, Philippe C. Schmitter ... - 1986 - Political Science - 190 pages
... of the EEC to negotiate a Treaty of Association with the Community. ... Unlike subsequent treaties of association (eg, with Israel and Turkey), ...
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Internet Archive: Free Download: This Week In Palestine: a visit ...
Jun 1, 2008 ... According to Israel's own Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the "Treaty of Association" and the Fourth Framework Research and Development Program ...
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Jul 21, 2007 ... Union and Western European Union, Solana executed and signed a comprehensive Treaty of Association with Israel on November 20, 1995. ...
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This is an official EU Med document and might be useful:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.go-euromed.org/documents/working_paper/0807.pdf
OR
http://tinyurl.com/mmozcp
Constance
I find the definition of religion spot on!
ReplyDelete"Name it Claim it"
"Your best life yet"
"Purpose driven" (how else?)
"Hour of Power"
Denominations are nothing more than religious franchises.
Come out from her, read the bible and let the Holy Spirits counsel guide you and above all love and have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
Find out what % your tithe is overhead for the franchise you go to and remember they are tax free entities. Hilarious! Tithe is giving everything! Think about what your 400-1,000 dollars a month would do if you simply set it aside and when you knew of someone in need you bought them groceries or paid their electric bill for the YEAR! We need to look out for orphans and widows if you want to get religious. Not looking out for the pastors new car or finished basement!
JB in CO
Constance,
ReplyDeleteIt sure would be easy to hook up a theater
with paranormal voices. Easier than ever.
I could do it with a small bag of equipment.
It sounds like fun, especially if it's for a team
of paranormal research experts with a TV show.
For that matter it's really easy now to create amazing flying saucer footage, in the skies above your own home town, to rival Hollywood,
_all on your own laptop. Photoshop gone wild.
I'm just saying don't believe anything you see
on TV and don't believe anonymous posters.
They're often imposters.
Just my opinion.
Sharon from down under,
ReplyDeletegreat post. I've never read about peace either, but just like cutting the ham on both ends before putting it into the oven, we all seem to follow older interpretations of men who are, well frankly- men. they put their own spin on the meanings and it is followed suit for every generation after. An accord is an agreement, but not necessarily of peace.
to others, read the bible, you must have atleast one in the house, and for everyone in the U.S. who thinks the bible is about America, get a clue!
JB in CO
Secret Plan To Harvest Personal Data From Social Networking Websites
ReplyDeletehttp://nlpc.org/print/2508
excerpt:
In the course of investigating procurement by the White House New Media office, NLPC discovered a 51-page solicitation of bids that was filed on Friday, August 21, 2009. Filed as Solicitation # WHO-S-09-0003, it is posted [1] at FedBizzOps.com. Click here to download a 51-page pdf of the solicitation [2].
While the solicitation specifies a 12-month contract, it allows for seven one-year extensions. It specifies no dollar cap. Other troubling issues include:
extremely broad secrecy terms preventing the vendor from disclosing to the public or the media what information is being captured and archived (page 7, “Restriction Against Disclosure”)
wholesale capturing of comments by non-White House staff on publicly accessible sites
capturing of content of any type (text, graphics, audio, or video)
capturing of comments by both Obama critics and supporters, with no restriction as to how the White House would use the information.
To Paul:
ReplyDeleteWell, I am an anonymous poster who has been posting for the past 3 years - and God in Heaven above KNOWS that I am no "imposter."
(And, as long as God knows, I don't really care whether Paul knows.)
I think what Paul is trying to say (but doesn't have the courage to say) is that he doesn't "believe" anonymous CATHOLIC posters becuase they tend to disagree with HIS posts.
FYI: You know what they say about "opinions" Paul. They're like a certain body part - everybody's got one.
Hi Sharon from down under~
ReplyDeleteI have wondered about that quite a bit myself, in fact, I compare to 1 Thess.5, where "they are saying 'peace and safety'". I also read, at Fulfilled Prophecy, this interesting thought:
http://tinyurl.com/lw3ocv
Definitely more food for thought, to take a step back and dig deeper in the Scriptures, and really pray and think, and WATCH.
take care,
sarah
To elaborate just a wee bit, my thoughts of them "saying" peace and safety...much as they say now we are "this", we are "that", the bailouts are improving the economy...they can "say" what they want, it doesn't mean that's the reality.
ReplyDeletetake care,
sarah
This was on Alex Jones, but it makes sense.
ReplyDeleteRussian Professor Igor Panarin says that events are continuing to confirm his doomsday prediction first made over 10 years ago, that the United States will completely collapse like the Soviet Union before the end of 2010, and warns that the chaos could begin to unfold in as little as two months.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-professor-collapse-of-america-could-begin-in-two-months.html
Anonymous 4:20
ReplyDeleteThank you for exemplifying what I said.
It doesn't matter to you that your comment is
unfounded and that some of my best friends are
Catholic, you can go ahead and take potshots,
4:20, and never mind the repercussions when you're all wrong.
...and then for you to bring up courage,
ReplyDeleteanonymous.
Wow.
Don't blow you're cover.
sarah,
ReplyDeletebut were/are they not always saying that THAT is what they want, "Peace and Safety"? It could easily mean, "Brothers, let us make peace and have safety." Which is what they are always saying and "moving" towards, but do you really think that Islam will have peace with "dogs" and "pigs"? The covenant could be anything down to oil and food supplies, not necessarily peace. I'm no expert, and have faith that Jesus will be coming any instant... isn't that what all the disciples thought, ie. he is coming soon/quickly? We think we are so smart as we see earthquakes, but Jesus called us foolish for knowing the seasons, but not knowing what was/is at hand. Some of us say we are waiting for Jesus and then talk of rapture. I don't care a hoot about the rapture. I want Jesus and I hope he knows me! The rumblings of earthquakes have increased and decreased, we've seen famines/plagues/wars/rumors of war/kings raising and falling. He could come any moment and I think that is what I read in the NT. Not 'Today President ------- has mediated the peace agreement between Isreal and...' Which could or could not be THE covenant.
JB in CO
Hi JB,
ReplyDeleteSorry there, it seems the topic is going afield, I'm not talking rapture. Daniel seems to be talking judgment, as does Thessalonians.
I am pondering the possibilities...
take care,
sarah
In case you hadn't seen it
ReplyDeletehttp://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/
or
http://tiny.cc/4MBhn
If you can't read the whole thing, scroll down and watch the video.
I wonder if the woman that is pledging to be a voice for those who don't have one is talking about the unborn...my guess, probably not.
Paul:
ReplyDeleteJust to remind you that, for the past 3 years, I have been a witness to you taking "pot shots" at Catholics on this very blog.
So, please spare me your "drama."
Stop being such a hypocrite.
CHRIS MATTHEWS SAYS THAT CRITICIZING MICHELLE OBAMA FOR HAVING 26 AIDES IS 'RACIST'
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Anonymous 8:39 PM
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who is Max Plank?
While catching up on my reading here I happened to notice your question and didn't want it to get lost in the shuffle.
To just briefly answer your question:
MAX PLANCK
Max Planck (April 23, 1858 – October 4, 1947) was a German physicist. He is considered to be the founder of the quantum theory, and thus one of the most important physicists of the twentieth century. Planck was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918....read entire article.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck
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The Max Planck Society is a German research institute (formerly the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute) that was named in honor of Max Planck. The Kaiser Wilhelm Istitute became notorious for its ties to the Nazis and for its criminal "experiments" on human beings.
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William E. Seidelman, M.D.
SCIENCE AND INHUMANITY: THE KAISER WILHELM/MAX PLANCK SOCIETY
First Published in: If Not Now an e-journal Volume 2, Winter 2000
http://www.baycrest.org/journal/ifnot01w.html
Revised February 18, 2001.
....Max Planck was to become the most influential scientist in Germany. For 26 years (1912-1938) he was permanent secretary of the mathematics and physics sections of the Prussian Academy of Sciences. It was Planck who brought Albert Einstein to Berlin in 1914. Planck, who was awarded the 1918 Nobel Prize in Physics for his 1900 discovery, became the president of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society (1930-1937), the prestigious and influential organization established in 1911 by the German government and industry for the promotion of research.
After World War II the Kaiser-Wilhelm Society asked the aged Planck to again undertake the presidency of what had become a badly damaged organization. Planck also agreed to allow the Kaiser-Wilhelm Society to take on his name; thus today's Max Planck Society which assumed its new name in 1948, one year after Planck's death at age 89.....
.....Planck was admired not only as a great scientist but also as a moral and courageous individual. He criticized Hitler's racial policies to Hitler's face. Rather than flee Germany Planck remained in an attempt to salvage what was left of German physical sciences. And in the 9th decade of his life he agreed to again become president of Germany's preeminent research organization.
cont......
cont.....
ReplyDelete....While Planck the person is regarded with honor the same cannot be said of the organization that continues to bear his name.....
.... The international esteem of the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes is reflected in the support it received from the Rockefeller Foundation. The Rockefeller Foundation made major contributions to the construction of the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes of brain research (Berlin-Buch) and psychiatry (Munich). It also provided financial support to other Kaiser-Wilhelm institutes adversely affected by World War I and the ensuing depression. In addition to capital funding for construction the Rockefeller Foundation supported research at the Munich psychiatric institute and twin research at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Genetics and Eugenics at Berlin-Dahlem.
Ironically, the three Kaiser-Wilhelm institutes that were beneficiaries of Rockefeller largesse were to eventually play important roles in the development, implementation and exploitation of the racial programs of the Third Reich including murderous experiments and the exploitation of the dead. Kaiser-Wilhelm scientists joined with the Nazi state in pursuit of the goal of improving the people's health (Volksgesundheit), the major emphasis being on eugenic and racial purification. The resulting collaboration between science and the Nazi state not only legitimized the policies and programs of the Hitler regime it resulted in the exploitation and mutilation and murder of untold thousands of innocent victims by physicians and scientists associated with some of the world's leading universities and research institutes. The participation of scientists associated with the Kaiser-Wilhelm Society enhanced the credibility of the Nazi state's program of scientific terror and murder....read entire article...
http://www.doew.at/thema/planck
/planck1.html
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MAX PLANCK SOCIETY ADMITS TO ITS PREDECESSOR'S NAZI LINKS
http://www.nature.com/nature
/journal/v411/n6839/full
/411726b0.html
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MEDICINE AND MURDER IN THE THIRD REICH
http://www.jewishvirtual
library.org/jsource/
Holocaust/medmurder.html
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Certain branches of the Max Planck Society have ties to the Institute of Noetic Sciences. A branch of the Max Planck Society is soon to be opened for the first time in Florida...on the taxpayers dime.
MAX PLANCK SOCIETY ESTABLISHES FLORIDA OUTPOST
http://www.devicelink.com/emdm/
maxplanck/index.html
THE CONNECTIONS OF BLACKWATERS ERIK PRINCE
ReplyDeletehttp://www.infowars.com/the-connections-of-blackwaters-erik-prince/
'ELMO' NEW WHITE HOUSE ADVISOR?
ReplyDeleteRegarding hand-washing as the Obama administration’s frontline defense against swine flu’s spread:
To promote the habit, Washington has turned to Sesame Street’s Elmo, the PBS children’s show character who has befriended decades of toddlers with his high-pitched voice, crayon and jingle bells piano playing.
“Come on! Wash your hands with Elmo! Wash! Wash! Wash!” the fuzzy red Sesame Street ‘monster’ says in a public service announcement released this week
To Constance, Sarah and Anonymous at 8.31am, and JB at CO,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comments.
Constance, thank you for the info on the various workings of the EU in ENP etc. I have been following that over the years and it certainly is most interesting and we must be aware of it all.
I am most interested in the temple being at the centre of the final week in Jerusalem and the high probability that in order to get temple sacrifice going again the Jews will agree to almost anything with whomever - Solana/Obama? The covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27 therefore would be the permission in the eyes of the world to instigate this most desirable thing for them. Sir Isaac Newton believed this from all his studies on the subject - he was much exercised in this area!
It will be a most exciting time to see it all unfolding so we will stay tuned!
It seems that we should take some critical analysis of the "peace and safety" passage of 1 Thessalonians 5:3-7. To understand the "who" is saying peace and safety, look at the contrast he gives. For when "they" shall be saying peace and safety, then sudden destruction comes upon "them" as labor pains come upon a woman in childbirth, and "they" shall not escape. But "you" bretheren are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you as a thief.
ReplyDeleteThe people who are saying peace and safety are only the ones who must be contrasted against the bretheren.
The "when" of this passage is directly before the day of the Lord, as it is "that day" which will overtake those who are saying Peace and Safety.
Scrolling down to verse 9 of that same chapter, you can see he is aligning "wrath" with "the day of the Lord" a few verses up, so we can assume only that the Day of the Lord begins the wrath, which should overtake those who are saying "Peace and Safety".
I make good use of charts to align, compare and contrast all of these kinds of scriptures and when you do, the pieces fall nicely into place. Highlighting the who, what, when, where, why and How, and investigating the text will really answer many of these questions.
I had come to much the same conclusion about the Daniel passage when I did that too. There is NO indication that peace will be the terms of that covenant. It doesn't mean that it won't be, but we shouldn't insert anything into the scripture that is not there.
Have a nice evening everyone,
Leana
I was also looking at the Thessalonians passage Leana and have had the understanding that the people saying "peace and saftey" are those who are trying to get Israel to accommodate things - rather like today! But then when they least expect it destruction comes on them (those saying "peace and saftey"). This however does not imply that a 7 year covenant of peace is made!
ReplyDeleteYes the Day of the Lord will overtake those who are working against Israel, His people, though Israel will be heavily damaged in it. No wonder they cry out to their Messiah to rescue them!
Leana,
ReplyDeleteYour comment could nearly have been mine! I've been studying the Book of Revelation in earnest of late; and, I've put up a timeline placing each passage (Revelation is NOT in chronological sequence) on it. I've still got a long way to go; but, I've started using the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the seven year period (the 'great tribulation' does not necessarily encompass the entire seventieth seven).
The "when" of this passage is directly before the day of the Lord, as it is "that day" which will overtake those who are saying Peace and Safety.
Scrolling down to verse 9 of that same chapter, you can see he is aligning "wrath" with "the day of the Lord" a few verses up, so we can assume only that the Day of the Lord begins the wrath, which should overtake those who are saying "Peace and Safety".
Exactly. And, I believe verse 4 tells us the approximate timing of the Rapture. We are not to know 'the day or the hour' [Matt 24:36] but we can discern the 'season' [Matthew 24:32-33].
I see trumpets 5, 6 and 7 as 'woes' rather than 'wrath' like the vials. For this reason, I see the Rapture at the seventh trumpet by taking the 1 Thessalonians passage including 4:13-17, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 and Matthew 24:31 [note the words "trumpet" "last trumpet" "mystery"].
I see the "There will be no more delay" [NIV] of Rev 10:6 as answering Rev 6:11 ("How long...?") and Rev 10:7, "But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet [see Rev 11:13], the mystery of God will be accomplished..."
I see the "peace and safety" as occurring during the "three and a half days" the two witnesses in Rev 11 are lying dead. Then in verse 12, the "loud voice from heaven" says "Come up here" while "their enemies looked on" I see as a 'pre-Rapture' with the seventh trumpet as the Rapture ["The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven which said: 'The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord...'].
Since scripture doesn't exactly say WHY they are saying Peace and Safety, I tend to leave that alone. Just noting that is what they say... however I did look up in my Greek-English interlinear Bible and noted that the passage was literally translated "peace and security" safety/security being the greek word asphaleia meaning : state of security from falling, firmness, safety, security, certainty, truth.
ReplyDeleteI am using the Zondervan Greek English Interlinear New Testament NASB/NIV with a Goodrick-Kohlenberger dictionary. I have also cross-referenced with Strongs and it seems to agree. It should be Peace and Security.
Craig, it is always profitable to study what the book of Revelation says, especially since we are given a blessing for reading, hearing and heeding the words of that book. I spent 1 year in Thessalonians, 1 year in Daniel and 2 studying Revelation. I think I have more questions than answers, but my only advice is to look at it like a logic puzzle. Make sure you first identify what it explicitly says and does not say, then work toward your inferrances. If you jump to conclusions too soon, there is a danger of throwing the whole thing off.
Have fun!
Leana
The New York Times had a lengthy story about Senator Ted Kennedy's memoirs today. The book will not be out until September 14th, but from what was reported in the article, he was not joking about the event or significant portions of his life for which he expressed deep remorse. I will endeavor to obtain the book when available and read in more depth there. The NYT reported that he believed the Chappaquidick incident had shortened his father's life. He denied a romantic relationship with Miss Kopechne, an aide to his brother Robert.
ReplyDeleteHe appeared to intensely dislike Jimmy Carter. He personally liked Ronald Reagan much more, but said sometimes Reagan had trouble focusing at White House meetings.
The book should at least make for interesting reading.
Constance
Propaganda Wars.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anti-Pope pamplets being distributed
http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=16200
Savvy
From the Huffington Post (9/03/09)
ReplyDeleteBank Of America Asks Armless Man For Thumbprint, Then Denies To Cash His Check
All Steve Valdez wanted to do was cash a check from his wife during his work break. Bank of America insisted that Mr. Valdez provide a thumbprint to verify his identity, which he was unable to do because he was born with no arms. Despite the bank teller acknowledging this, and Mr. Valdez providing two forms of photo identification, the bank still refused to cash his check.
The bank eventually called Mr. Valdez to apologize.
From The Post Chronicle (09/03/09)
ReplyDeleteWhy Won’t Healthcare Workers Take The Swine Flu Vaccine?
Can vaccinations actually fuel pandemics? According to a study released August 26, 2009 by the British Medical Journal, more than half of Hong Kong’s healthcare workers surveyed said they would refuse the H1N1 shot, which is not yet available, because they are afraid of side effects and doubt how safe and effective it will be.
More importantly, the study suggested the trend would be repeated worldwide.
“The truth is that vaccines aren’t effective, generally carry dangerous side effects, and in many cases actually fuel the spread of pandemics,” said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a Harvard University trained medical researcher who also holds a Master’s Degree in Public Health. “The fact is that most healthcare workers know this, and they don’t trust that any swine flu vaccine will do anything but cause more problems and potential harm to the patients they care for.”
Sharon from down under:
ReplyDeleteI've been reading Dr. David Jeremiah's book The Handwriting on the Wall about the Book of Daniel. He shares your view regarding a treaty for reestablishing sacrifices as the 7 year 'covenant with many.' Coincidentally, I just came across this section in the book at lunch today.
A group of British physicians specializing in palliative and end of life care has sounded the alarm that some terminally ill patients are being killed under an ethics protocol recently approved by the country's health care rationing body. Patients in Britain are being misdiagnosed as "close to death" and sedated and dehydrated to death the doctors said in a letter to the Daily Telegraph this week.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090301.html
Savvy
Craig,
ReplyDeleteI would be a little leary of Dr. David Jeremiah. He seems the be heading down the wrong path.
http://tinyurl.com/kkvm3r
Anon @ 8:32,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the head's up. I wasn't totally unaware of his questionable teachings -- I was aware of some of his promotion of contemplative spirituality -- however, I wasn't aware that he endorsed Rick Warren and Eugene Peterson (who is a fan of Richard Foster's). It's sad as there are a LOT of seemingly solid theologians who are getting off track.
I always judge what anyone says by the Word of God. There is almost always something I will disagree with from any teacher/preacher. Jeremiah is not my favorite teacher by any means; however, I was told the book was a good overview of the Book of Daniel. So far, it's pretty good (although I'm not a big fan of his writing style).
Hi Constance
ReplyDeleteListening to your program while typing this request. Please check your office voice mail for my Thursday 9/3 message and let me know if one day next week (9/7-9/11)is convenient to pick up items.
P.S. Another great program!
Thank you,
FOTM-Walt
AOC in Action.
ReplyDeleteMandatory religious/ethical relativism course in Quebec, even in private schools/religious schools.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090306.html
Savvy
Ted Kennedy was not joking about the event or significant portions of his life for which he expressed deep remorse.
ReplyDeleteWhat nice guy, wow, that changes everything.
Judge Anonymous is now entering the courtroom.
ReplyDeleteAll rise.
Sigh . . .
ReplyDeleteNow, can we please let Ted Kennedy rest in peace?
He has now been judged by his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
For those out there who are still judging . . . please step forward and "let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
Amen.
Please disregard everything I've said on this blog. It wasn't me.
ReplyDeleteObama is also doing a back to school program with Kelly Clarkson and LeBron James airing the same night as the elementary school program. It will appear on MTV, VH1, CMT, Nick and several other highly popular stations at 8 pm.
ReplyDeleteAlthough several hits show up for this news article, only one actually had it still viewable.
http://celebrifi.com/gossip/
Obama-to-appear-in-backtoschool-
program-665925.html
Hitler Youth?
Ted Kennedy has been judged but Jesus is not his Lord! By the way, Constance brought him up.
ReplyDeleteHere is an example of how the European Union is already imposing its laws on indiviidual countries.
ReplyDeleteI am only quoting the specific paragraph in the article which states the rationale for the Judge's ruling. But you can all click onto the link to read the entire article.
Times Online,
September 4, 2009
TRANSSEXUAL KILLER WINS BATTLE TO SERVE LIFE SENTENCE IN WOMEN'S JAIL
....But today Judge Elvin ruled that the Justice Department’s refusal to transfer her to a women's jail amounted to a violation of Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which enshrines the right to respect for privacy.
Regardless of any extra cost involved, the judge said that to block her progress towards full gender reassignment surgery was irrational and would only increase her risk to the public.
After the judge’s ruling, Miss Kaufman told the judge that the woman is now expected to be moved to a women's jail within a few weeks.
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OBAMACARE IS A EUGENICS PROGRAM
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WHY 42% OF PARENTS DO NOT WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO WATCH OBAMA'S SPEECH
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Dr. David Jeremiah?
ReplyDeleteWell, I'll look at it at interest. I was always somewhat intrigued by his book on the New Age movement where he claimed he was such a prophet because he started warning against it in 1993. My book which I started in 1981 was eventually released after much opposition in 1983. Although I had relatives he attended his church in Fort Wayne, Indiana, I have never heard from him. But I'm happy he is on the case.
Constance
Friday I was in East Lansing, Michigan, at the MSU School of Law (which used to be DETROIT COLLEGE OF LAW), my alma mater, judging a legal advocacy contest between several law schools. I was honored to be invited to be one of the judges. It was fun, I will admit, to wear a black robe and be called "Judge Cumbey" for a day. As vigorous as I am as an "activist lawyer" which Wikipedia calls me, I probably would be uncomfortable as a real judge. That would silence me publicly on most issues.
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