UPDATE - FARMER'S INTERNET RESPONSE FROM HIS ANTI-NEW AGE BLOGSPOT:
"Have not read all the comments on Constances blog and from my Email account yet.
I write the following very hasty and maybe I do not find the right words so fast..
to be open: it was a mistake not to tell you until now, had no power yet, but now it's out anyway.
To say that my life undergoes deep changes at the moment is understatement. deep crisis is the word. During the last half year I lost my family, as I was kicked out from home for a reason that lay back 7 years before my salvation through Jesus, and I am in biggest financial trouble, also for reasons I am not responible for (false accusasions against our family here). Also my church kicked me out. I tried to cope with the situation and still kept reporting. I understand that a lot people and even good friends do not understand my acting, even I did not plan to disappoint them or hurt their feelings. If that happened I feel deepest sorry. I tried to be a watchman as long a possible and to tell what I see...
Seems this has to come to an end now.
My life is in big trouble and experienced strange things that I could not understand and explain. I found some bloggers who tried to find out about this, same like me. I tried to find connection symbols which expressed this experience and published it on another blog. This does not mean I believe in Odin. I do not believe in a whichhunt too, but maybe that will happen now.
I am overloaded by all this myself. Now it seems I am the one who is beeing pointed to. If I earn it, it may be so. May the Lord be my judge.
Still I thank you for all the years and trust that you have been with me and my message.
Please forgive me.
Björn (farmer)
I have been saddened and sickened all day by what you see at my left. It appears to be "Farmer's" other blogspot. Sadly, it is as New Age/Pagan/anti-God as can be. New Agers on the web have taken great comfort and enjoyment from it. Pray for our "Farmer" that he will repent from this. I am truly astounded, but I can let this deception proceed no further among us -- there is, however, always room for repentance. I would caution, however, that the day may soon be here of which the Scriptures warned, "IT IS FINISHED -- let he who is righteous among you be righteous still, let he who is filthy among you be filthy still . . ." Sorry, Björn, one may not have simultaneous communion from the table of demons (Shiva, Odin) and the table of God. This was ROUGH -- even by New Age standards which are usually more subtle.''
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from Evil. Amen, Amen!
CONSTANCE
Rough indeed.
ReplyDeleteSapphire,
ReplyDeleteThat was, I am sickened to say, Björn Freiberg's blogspot.
Constance
Jesus said that the deception would be great...it's scary to see just how real His words are.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your alert. We need to stay in His word now more than ever. I say this to myself first, because I slack off at times.
Sapphire:
ReplyDeleteI just went over and looked at your website/blogspot, IN THE DESERT I HEARD A VOICE. I have replaced, for the time being, Farmer's link with yours.
Constance
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ReplyDeleteConstance, could this be a hoax against Farmer? It would be simple to do.
ReplyDeleteHow interesting. With only one post how did you find it? How long has he been posting at this site? How many others are there?
ReplyDeleteConstance,
ReplyDeleteI am saddened to see this and will pray for Bjorn..
It is a warning to all of us. Anyone can have spiritual doors open in our lives.. It can be the occult, sexual immorality, substance abuse, financial dishonesty.
Yeshua saved us, but it's up to us to walk in our new identity as children of God..
The truly good news according to 1John1:9 If we confess our sins God is faithful to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.... It looks like Bjorn really needs our prayers..
This is a word of caution to all:
Gal. 6:1 Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
Shabbat shalom,
Joyce
Constance,
ReplyDeleteOn another note, I found some interesting connections to the Whirling Rainbow group that we looked at a blog ago.. I guess the old adage, where there's smoke there's fire applies here..( excuse the pun)
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/fire.htm
http://tiny.cc/DUngh
http://whirlingrainbow.com/news.htm
http://tiny.cc/fTw6y
Dr Masuro Emoto along with Dr. Len Horowitz were invovled with the Live H2O at Jerusalem.
I want to point out some links and some Noetic Science connections on Dr. Masuro Emoto's website. There is Dean Radin of Noetic Sciences and Princeton's Global Consciousness Project, not to mention Global Coherence, which I pointed out several weeks ago.. the global monitoring system..
http://www.internationalwaterforlifefoundation.org/board.html
http://tiny.cc/9AAv6
From Emoto's other site we have this:
http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/e_ome_link.html
Here we have direct links to Noetic Sciences and Club of Budapest and Lynn McTaggart's Intention Experiment...which I'd like to highlight some additional personalities on:
http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/the_scientific_team:
http://tiny.cc/Rqzmm
On her site we have Dr. Roger Nelson, also of the Global Consciousness Project, but also one of the Board members of Humanitad.
The irony of all of this is that all roads lead to Laszlo. When you start looking into all of these projects it seems almost impossible to avoid some connection either direct or indirect. It's always some kind of quasi-science.. That's to make people believe that they actually know what they're talking about, as they lead them down a path to destruction..
I took some heat because I was pointing out someone, Gary Krupp, who was involved with the Humanitad and who was recommended for this job:
"The World Interfaith Convention Centre.
Humanitad proposed Program Directors: by Silver-Star Knight Commander of the Vatican: Gary Krupp, KC*SG OStJ and Award winning Historian: Dr. Neil Hitchin.
The program will see the creation of a permanent administrative HQ for the World Interfaith Senate.
This assembly of world religious leaders and Patriarchs will come together as a unified voice of religious tolerance and fellowship.
The project will manifest as:
A World Interfaith Convention Centre (Temple of Humanity)
Headquarters for the World Interfaith Senate
Each year the Temple of Humanity will be the Congress Hall and facility to receive a round-table of world religious and spiritual leaders.
The Congress will become a vital international religious assembly ′event′ for multilateral condemnation of terrorism and inhumane policies by groups and regimes across the globe."
I will gladly take heat to expose a plan like this because this seems to fit perfectly into the anti-messiah system.
Connected to all of this of course is the UN Millennial Development Goals, Laszlo, who is connected to Jerusalem Academy among other things.. so we have the water project, a global monitoring system, global peace plans, drumming and shamanism, a world religious council, a monument to mankind, a plan to rebuild Babel, which God destroyed because man was trying to make a name for himself...
I hope everyone can see the nature of all these connections and I only named a few and begin to get the picture of what is being built.. not to mention Laszlo's protege, Heinrich Eliyahu Benedikt who visited the "Ark of the Covenant" in Ethiopia, met with a member of AoC in Italy, was at the Crans Montana Forum ( twice) and will be a the World Parliment of Religions, all in the name of peace, the false peace, I might add....
Our generation is witnessing the system of anti-messiah being constructed before our very eyes..
Those of us who stand for the truth of Scripture will be hated.. We are no better than our Master..
Mark 13:13 “You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
First of all how do we know ths is famer's, second have you talked with him?? I know that he had shared with us a time back that he used to be into this, but not now. How do we know he was not setup?? I know he told us a bit ago that he felt someone was setting him up and he did not know how much longer he would have his blog there??? I will make no judgement here till we get some more facts here on this one.
ReplyDeleteI see no other comments other than the one, and no other members and it does not even identify who this really is??? Anyone could us his name to set him up.
Ok like I said I would like to know that someone has spoken to him regarding this if possible.
I have emailed farmer myself.
ReplyDeleteAnd if indeed this is true, then i will do my best to do as James and Jude instructs:
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
This blog has a sentence that says:
ReplyDelete"Farmer is my name in the internet world"
I don't want to detract from the subject of the blog. It's serious, but there's only so much we can say.. we need to pray for Bjorn and for his family.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, I want to continue to expose more connections through the links I posted earlier. This outfit organizes trips for Noetic Sciences, Deepak Chopra and other groups.
http://www.crossculturaljourneys.com/
Barbara Marx Hubbard advertises this on her "Evolve" site.. Some of you have certainly seen this, but just want to highlight a picture, that reminds me of Global Coherence:
http://www.evolve.org/pub/doc/evolve_site_tour.html
http://tiny.cc/6TLYO
That is one of several sites connected to this:
http://www.earthdance.org/
On this voyage they are going to visit the Theosophical Society:
http://www.crossculturaljourneys.com/ions_southindia09.pdf
http://tiny.cc/d3wPj
Please take a careful look at this page, connected to Ford Foundation, Fetzer, etc:
http://www.crossculturaljourneys.com/foundation.html
http://tiny.cc/14G79
I got to all these from the Whirling Rainbow link, so interesting to see how that links into Barbara Marx Hubbard's organizations as well.
Here is the Grandmother Drum blogspot:
http://www.grandmotherdrum.blogspot.com/
NOW from the blogspot I want you to see how this group distorts Scripture:
http://www.loversofjerusalem.org/whyjeru.html
http://tiny.cc/iOxUf
Now here's the connection to the Mayan calendar:
http://www.loversofjerusalem.org/whynow.html
http://tiny.cc/HJcB2
Expect to see more on indigenous groups as 2012 draws near, in connection with Jerusalem.
http://www.calleman.com/
http://www.handclow2012.com/mayancalendar.htm
http://tiny.cc/CvsQr
Joyce
Constance, I know that must have been difficult to post, thank you for being faithful to truth.
ReplyDeleteSurely this is another sign we are living in the last days, Jesus warned us that the deception would be great.
It seems odd that Farmer's other site does not provide his profile. He is so interactive in his original blogspot. Is this really his site and is it new? If so - I am sorry to see this. I am sorry for you as well since you had a connection with him.
ReplyDeleteI remember awhile back Farmer posted that he was offered a job with the government, preusmably to get him to stop his complaints. He said it was the good cop approach. Then he asked, could the bad cop be far behind? I didn't yet look at the blog, but as Mac says, could this not be a hoax, the bad cop or worse who smears one? I will go look at the blog.
ReplyDeleteJoyce said- "I don't want to detract from the subject of the blog. It's serious, but there's only so much we can say.. we need to pray for Bjorn and for his family."
ReplyDeleteYes we need to pray- absolutely- but like others, I am only now reading of this information. I myself am not as so well informed of of the new age-- so as a result I have a hard time getting my brain around the enormous amount of information that makes it difficult for even the most educated able and skilled to converse in a way that is helpful and enlightening to the rest of us. So where am I going with this---? I may not have grown up with a very good education so far as understanding politics and the like, but I for one was steeped in a VERY new age family and suffered greatly at the hands of sad reprobate minds. As a result, I have recntly been put upon the path of trying to sort through and piece together things in a sea of information that includes a huge disinfomation campaign. This brings me to my greatest question on this subject of the New Age movement. Why does it seem that "they" the enemy,appear to be as "helpful" to want to divulge secrets of the innerworkings of their agenda???!!!
Constance, I wrote you a few weeks back, but I never recieved a reply. That is your incentive, and I do not want to impose upon your own free choice to practice caution in such matters that I have brought up. But could you please respond here with the reply to whether or not you did receive my e-mail. Included in my e-mail was a group photo taken at my daughters wedding. Thank you
JC
It is interesting on the bluestar blog that it's signed as "Far More", almost sounds like "Farmer", also there is a story of the "Night at the Museum" which "farmer" had been highlighting.
ReplyDeleteStrange!!!
JC,
ReplyDeleteI know the question was directed to Constance, but in Alice Bailey's "Externalization of the Hierarchy" which I bought and subsequently threw out because it was so dark and evil ( one of the dangers of New Age research. we should be careful about delving too deeply. There's only so much you need to understand) , but one of the things I gleaned from Alice's book is that there would come a time that what was formerly hidden in the dark would become commonplace and out in the open, thus externalization of the hierarchy.
From a Biblical perspective I would explain this as the delusion that Scripture promises will come. When people are deluded i.e. spiritually blind.. they don't see the evil in many of these things..
Our only barometer for what is good and what is evil is Scripture.. As people put the Scriptures aside in favor of other spiritualities and activities they believe the lies..or as Romans says:
Rom. 1:21-25 For even though they knew God, they did not 1honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became afutile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore aGod gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Is this not what we have today in the Gaia movement, where we worship "mother earth" or in the homosexual movement ( if you continue on in Romans it's a clear condemnation of homosexual lifestyle...not the people who have this temptation, but their willingness to act on it).
When we don't worship the God of the Bible, as He revealed Himself to us in all of His fulness we are subject to deception. Deception, or apostasy and demonic influence allows for the "externalization of the Hierarchy" as Alice Bailey called it, but I would prefer to call it the total depravity of man.
Those people who are doing this are doing it because the restrainer is being taken out of the way....
2Th. 2:3-7Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the 1bapostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? And you know awhat restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
There is a process building up to this. Alice Bailey knew Scripture, but distorted it for her evil. Then again Satan knows Scripture too.
When we have open doors to the occult, generational sin of masonry or a past where we delved into the occult, or a family that has this, it's very important that we take and active stand against it in Yeshua's name of course, and be careful not to open spiritual doors in our life that could lead to deception and delusion.. Satan is always looking to see who he can devour and destroy, so we must be on our guard taking every thought captive to the obedience of God's Word.
Praise, the Lord for delivering you from this darkness. Stand firm in Him with your full armor.
Perhaps this is the subject of this blog? Praying that Bjorn would see what has happened, repent and stand in truth.. I shudder to think what happens when we don't...
Joyce
This is not the first time something like this has happened. 20 years ago, I was on the PRODIGY bulletin board system. PRODIGY was, as I recall, owned by SEARS. A "Fern Bright" wrote me, professing to be a devout Christian and asked me to "hop over" to the Arts discussion board and get involved as there were New Agers over there. I did and the threads around my work became EXTREMELY huge and some were EXTREMELY VICIOUS. A group of witches and pagans were tying me up for hours at night. Finally somebody cohtacted me and gave me information which I verified -- the "Christian" who contacted me was one of the country's most prominent witches/pagans. Agents/provacateurs are most common.
ReplyDeleteI do much internet surfing and can find things people never dreamed. I will not disclose how I found this and my sources.
"There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed . . ."
Constance
Bjorn was in Hungary. Laszlo is Hungary . . . hmmmmmmmmm????!!!!
ReplyDeleteWOW . . . talk about fireworks on the 4th of July!!!
ReplyDeleteConstance, my only concern is that shouldn't you have contacted Farmer first (to give him a chance to explain) before "outing" him?
As a faithful poster on your blog, and participant on your radio program, I believe that he (as well as any of us) deserves that much.
Dear JC,
ReplyDeleteI tell my friends and colleagues that it's ok, even good to email me. I try to catch things, but I have 31,000 email messages yet to read in my box. If I know something has come in, I use the excellent search feature to find it. I am going to go search now for it and use the word "wedding" to narrow it. I try to keep up, but I am only one person and have not had a secretary for over a year.
Thanks!
Constance
I have unfortunabely found that New Agers can be charming, inveterate liars. I am more than satisfied that this indeed was Farmers.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, Herb Peters and I were discussing Farmer years ago and we both had a sudden "what if" thought wondering if he was getting information "from within" and feeding it to us. Now, I suspect this is true. I wonder if it was Laszlo himself who arranged for the offer (if it was an offer) of the UN job to Bjorn.
Constance
I'm still on this subject of the indigenous people, Jerusalem and the Mayan calendar.. ( one track mind)..
ReplyDeletePlease watch this video:
http://store.innertraditions.com/Contributor.jmdx?action=displayDetail&id=1431
http://tiny.cc/RuAAk
This isn't just a random exercise, there are very interesting connections here to the other things I've been posting..
http://mayaportal.lucita.net/
Calleman used to work for the WHO.
The "design and development team of this:
http://www.lucita.net/
They are one of the first signatories of the UN Global Pact:
http://www.lucita.net/
I just want to highlight one paragraph on Israel from Calleman's website:
"
The task may seem monumental, but so did once the task of combating racism. I should also say that I think it may be too general to simply pray for peace. We need to be more specific and pray for concrete expressions of tearing down the walls between the scripture-based religions. A possible thing is to pray for a Mosque, a Church, and a Temple to share the Temple Mount. A possible thing is to pray that no religion in the area will come out as victorious against the others. In many, the reaction to this very thought will reveal a dualist mentality in ourselves, and so it becomes obvious that we are ourselves part of the problem that has created the conflict in the Middle East. Hence follows the importance of developing spiritual practices and tools, such as dikshas and meditations, that help ourselves to be part of the evolution towards oneness that the global creation field of the Galactic Underworld increasingly will favor. Since more than half the population of the planet have a background in the Abrahamitic religions any enlightening experiences may be very significant for preparing the messianic path to oneness."
Now compare this image from Humanitad's site:
http://www.humanitad.org/programs/m2m/images/
http://tiny.cc/qkwrr
To the picture of the Mayan pyramid:
http://tiny.cc/NxYnn
http://www.humanitad.org/assets/m2m/poster_image.jpg
http://tiny.cc/0K1id
you can see the mayan writing in the background..
Coincidental? Perhaps, but...
Joyce
Constance,
ReplyDeleteScary...thought!
Joyce
But let us also not forget the scripture in Titus (St. Paul):
ReplyDelete"A heretic, after one or more admonitions reject."
Everybody is entitled to one kind warning. Farmer has had his -- many times. Did you notice how in his article about the "good cop - bad cop" how he suggested that perhaps we could "sweeten" things for him to have "rejected" the UN job.
My unfortunate surmise at this point is that perhaps/probably he is already on their payroll and did his job of scoping us out very well.
Constance
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ReplyDeleteRoma, Constance doesn't want to reveal how she is able to locate frauds for obvious reasons.
ReplyDeleteI am sure she would not have posted this without good evidence, and I am waiting for farmer to refute the accusation if it is not true, so far he has been silent.
This has been a wake-up call to me, the Bible says Satan comes as an angel of light...we live in days of such great deception my
guard is up like never before.
Hopefully we can all learn from this and hopefully farmer will repent and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Honestly, Farmer's site was never one I felt comfortable with. Did not like the excessive use of numerology and other such to make a point. Just something seemed off. The information was enlightening, but just seemed off and odd to me. Never said anything based on the "support" given, but never felt comfortable honestly. So this really doesn't take me by surprise.
ReplyDeleteRecently I was approached with the offer to fill the Vice-chair of a regional UN Model Organisation, an institution that should help to make known the UN Millenium Goals and to help to realize them on the national/local level and to cooperate with the national United Nations Association.
ReplyDeleteThe implementation of the UN-AOC national plans to restrict freedom of speech and to develop an UN-accepted behaviour in the areas of youth, media, education and migration is not just at full swing, but also backed by serious and immense spiritual force, as I could experience in the last days.
Added to this, I find myself under heavy observation and I have all reason to believe now that also my Email-writing is tapped. However, as I am not willing to further their goals, I wanted to let you know that I friendly declined the sweet offer. It's just not the right place for me:). Better not be a general in the war against the saints, may the Lord have grace. So now I should expect the bad cop to show up soon? Or do you have more sugar for me good cop?
Big thanks to all of you who stood by me with the decision!
For further reading I recommend Rich's excellent blog: http://www.pineline.blogspot.com/
stay tuned!
farmer
Thusday May 28 Farmer's blog
Constance I do think you have misquoted what was said here?? He did not suggest anything about us sweetenind the deal??
he referenced this to the good cop who had approached him having more sugar for him. and the reference to sweet, was that he friendly declined the sweet deal???
Again till I hear more on this I will not believe it.
As shocking as the recent revelation appears, I still have to say that for me, the jury is still out regardig Bjorn Freiberg.
ReplyDeleteSomething is not passing the smell test here!
If, at the end of the day, it CAN be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that this is true, it would certainly appear to be redolent of the late 19th-century "Taxil Hoax" whose purpose was to undermine the credibility of anyone - present or future - who would try to warn people about the dangers of Freemasonry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
getting away from the subject of "bjorn"
ReplyDeleteran across this article last night referring to the new age witch claiming herself responsible for michael jackson's death.
http://tinyurl.com/lhcdp6
Joyce, your reply to my post was most excellent. I am off to the lake, but plan to read it again when I get back. Thank you!!
ReplyDeleteCONSTANCE, I e-mail that file. I hope you can open it.
Happy fourth to all---think of our freedom it Christ foremeost!
JC
JC,
ReplyDeleteHappy 4th and congratulations on the marriage of your daughter by the way..
Joyce
Constance,
ReplyDeleteThanks for being the watchman that you are. This is sickening and I pray that this turns out to be untrue. If it is true I hope that Bjorn repents and turns back to Jesus.
I await some sort of response from Bjorn.
Curt
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Why quote Herb, when he is not here to collaborate? I am sickened by this article, but not because I think farmer is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Many of you poster's are quick to condemn, without anything other than this blog in which to form your opinion from. I sure hope nobody looks similar to me on the internet,lest I may be roasted by a bunch of self righteous "Christians".
ReplyDeleteI will never grace the doorstep of this blog again, and I will also remove any reference to it in anything I have ever used it in.
Remember, we all answer for all that comes forth from our mouths.
Lookfortruth
http://blackdogstar.blogspot.com/2009/05/star-of-shiva.html
ReplyDeleteAn apparent internet ally of our "Farmer" . . .
This is what Bjorn posted on his blogspot about this. He apparently admits writing the offending blogspot and asks for our prayers and forgiveness. I would caution Bjorn and all the rest of us that God gave us the 10 Commandments to simplify, not complicate our lives. Bjorn is a married man, he has told me so many times -- to a physician. Who is the girlfriend? This shows how terribly vulnerable we all are:
ReplyDeleteHave not read all the comments on Constances blog and from my Email account yet.
I write the following very hasty and maybe I do not find the right words so fast..
to be open: it was a mistake not to tell you until now, had no power yet, but now it's out anyway.
To say that my life undergoes deep changes at the moment is understatement. deep crisis is the word. During the last half year I lost my family, as I was kicked out from home for a reason that lay back 7 years before my salvation through Jesus, and I am in biggest financial trouble, also for reasons I am not responible for (false accusasions against our family here). Also my church kicked me out. I tried to cope with the situation and still kept reporting. I understand that a lot people and even good friends do not understand my acting, even I did not plan to disappoint them or hurt their feelings. If that happened I feel deepest sorry. I tried to be a watchman as long a possible and to tell what I see...
Seems this has to come to an end now.
My life is in big trouble and experienced strange things that I could not understand and explain. I found some bloggers who tried to find out about this, same like me. I tried to find connection symbols which expressed this experience and published it on another blog. This does not mean I believe in Odin. I do not believe in a whichhunt too, but maybe that will happen now.
I am overloaded by all this myself. Now it seems I am the one who is beeing pointed to. If I earn it, it may be so. May the Lord be my judge.
Still I thank you for all the years and trust that you have been with me and my message.
Please forgive me.
Björn (farmer)
farmer has posted on his blog and I take him at his word, we want to talk about others on here who need to repent with something like this, how about looking at your own self Cosntance.
ReplyDeleteYou should have followd the scriptures and gone to farmer first before blasing this on your blogsite, if you did you did not mention it
he has explained and asked for forgiveness which he already had from me anyway
I have been pretty disgusted with a lot of stuff I have seen here myself and almost never commented here.
anyone into new age is another human lost soul just like any of us were
and we are all subject to slipping in our walk
now I am sure that like constance you all have deleted him off
but you kinow how to look him up to see what he has said
I for one will do all I can to help our brother who apaprnetly has slipped
the ones of you on here who are perfect
go ahead and think so
Keep up the good fight Constance- Speaking for and as a babe in Christ- We need strong leaders like you who don't shy away from shining the light of Yahweh's truth on the darkness of Satan/Lucifer and hid minions. Blessings in the name of Yeshua. I found out about you through JRed @ Look Up Fellowship. JRed and I are BIG supporters of your cause for Christ. AMEN.-Derek Wood
ReplyDeleteFarmer has not been completely truthful -- by not handling it the way I did, others could have been endangered. I can say no more without breaking confidences. I am also suspecting that a major objective of this operation, and I do believe it was an operation against us was to cause dissension in our own camp. That appears, remarkably, to have succeeded. You may also well bet, that if I had tipped my hand on this, the evidence would have promptly disappeared and we would have had no confession such as we had when it came down "red-handed" from somebody who felt we all needed to know. I am protecting my sources on this one. I do, however, pray that Farmer does repent and also that he repents of his girlfriend. He is a married man!
ReplyDeleteConstance
Roma,
ReplyDeleteI, for one, know I am not perfect. I also know I am not in a position to throw stones at any one. But you read Farmer's other blogspot VERY CAREFULLY. His references to Shiva, Odin, the F word, etc., did not start yesterday. He alludes to time in England and he came back to Germany determined to follow up on what he learned there -- which obviously was neo-pagan, NOT Christian.
We are called to be born-again, not born-yesterday.
Constance
Well Constance you go ahead and handle yourself the way you see fit. I do not answer for you either. But there is a whole bunch of self righteous arrogance going on here with many on this blogsite which you never seem to want to correct for whatever reasonh.
ReplyDeleteI disagree wholeheartedly that the Roman Catholic Church is a true church of the true Jesus as our bible teaches. You however accedt that their worship of demons idols, and the dead and all those practices are ok.
Great go ahead with that. I will tell everyone that I ever recmmended this site to, to stay away.
And the dissension on this board hazd nothing to do with fazmer, nothing
use that excuse all you want to, it does not hold water with me.
I found this posting by Bjorn to another blogspot http://blackdogstar.blogspot.com/2009/05/star-of-shiva.html:
ReplyDelete"I met with the Blue One in a fight in a dream almost 20 years ago. this dream changed my life completly and I knew it was more than a dream. After waking up I painted it and met with exact this picture three days later from another source. I would like to send you more info if you are interested and I have time... All this conection to Sirius and colours red/blue, arrow, etc. is right on track. Superman also connects to here. I had the dream in Germany . . ."
Jude 3-4..."beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
ReplyDeleteOur obligation is always to guard the treasure, the purity of the gospel and truth. When necessary, the apostle Paul often pointed out those who would pervert the gospel causing harm to the church and he named names.
Good job Constance, continue to contend for the faith.
We all still hope and pray God will grant farmer a true repentent heart, nevertheless, exposing him was completely in order.
This is another excerpt from the blog column that Bjorn responded so favorably to:
ReplyDelete"The Beast is the Therion, or Wild One, and it’s the Blue Gene that’s waiting to be set free of the Box/Lamp/DNA. The phrase ‘Unleash the Beast’ springs to mind.
"Melek Taus is also known by the name Lucifer (aka Satan/the Beast) and even Shiva (Sirius) resonates with the Blue Devil thanks to his 3-pronged Pitch Fork/Trident. Could Sirius be the Blue Lucifer who awakens the Peacock Angel within . . ."
Back in 1981 after I had discovered the existence of the New Age movement and was checking it out, I walked into the Michigan Metaphysical Society. A group of fellows were sitting there howling about how they had infiltrated various area churches. They were talking about how they stood up and "gave testimonies." Then they laughed about the Pentecostals and said, "don't they realize that when they are open, they are open to anything?"
At that time, I opened my mouth and spooked them all by saying, "oh, that's easy. Just ask the spirit to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, the only begotten Son of God, and come in the flesh." They all went "oops" and quickly scooted out.
It's not hard to believe that then they infiltrated churches. In thsi internet age, websites and blogspots get infiltrated as well.
Constance
Roma,
ReplyDeleteInteresting that I am unable to read your internet profile. There are no perfect churches because there are no perfect people. Personally, I am comfortable worshipping wherever Jesus Christ is not denied.
Constance
Constance,
ReplyDeleteTuff call you had to make, as the post's suggest, so perhaps when this all settles out, you will be recognized for what you do on this blog which is a no nonsense, forthright, credible, exposure of the New Age movement, and how it opperates.
We can see here and elsewhere in the archives, how they have conducted a war against your efforts, they fear your efforts and pull out all stops to subvert them.
So, this to shall pass, like I have said before, we're here to be faithful to the cause of Christ, you are, and wear the lumps as badges of courage, we all get them, if not, we ain't in the front lines like we thought...
I think you handled this, like you have a record of handling tuff situations, in a straight forward, honest, and reasoned way.
You remain in my prayers dear sister, keep fighting the good fight.
HK
Everyone likes to think they can't be fooled. We trust people automatically until they show they are not to be trusted. As someone who has been at this for a very long time, I will admit I've been taken in. In some cases I lacked complete information on an organization or an individual. I based my actions on what I knew.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who is doing research on current events is vulnerable. No one is providing well-researched history books, complete with footnotes and bibliography on things happening right now. They can't.
There's only one way to handle it. You admit you've been taken in, you learn from it and move on.
For whatever reason Bjorn was involved with the group of people at those websites, and there can be other reasons than those mentioned, he was not open with the information publicly or privately. "No man can serve two masters."
Just recently I posted that people tend to trust those who they can identify with. While very few, I would think, could identify with his occult postings, many did because of his use of religious language. He was on "their" side.
Live and learn.
Dorothy
I'm still really confused as to what was actually on farmer's blog. All I know is it was called "Blue God Star" and had a post titled "Blue God Dream" with a picture of Odin.
ReplyDeleteDear David Butterfield:
ReplyDeleteI take my own advice, to archive EVERYTHING because they play this lovely little game of "now you see us, now you don't." I did do a pdf file archive of Bjorn's other blogspot which I have just learned from a reader who telephoned me that he evidently removed so you could not see the incriminating evidence. Email me and I'll transmit a copy of it to you by return email. If I had contacted Bjorn first, that would have happened, in my experience, he may have well have continued with either spying on our community and pretending to be our friend, and there would have been no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Constance
cumbey@gmail.com
I am going to put the archived file in my PRESENTATIONS FOR DOWNLOADING SECTION.
ReplyDeleteConstance
Farmer has posted "please forgive me" on his blogspot.
ReplyDeleteFor those who have criticized Constance, I think you are giving her a bum rap. She indicated she has reasons that she can't disclose. None of us have perfect judgement, but given a bad situation I think she made the right call. Let's pray that this will bring Bjorn to repentance.
ReplyDeleteI'm always reminded that King David, committed adultery and then sent the husband out on the front line to be killed in war, and he got "outed" by the prophet Nathan. David, being a man after God's heart turned in repentance. He still suffered consequences, but God loved David.
The Prophet Jeremiah said:
“The heart (mind) is more deceitful than all else
And is desperately sick;
Who can understand it?
Joyce
CONSTANCE WAKE UP. DONT QUOTE HERB TO US WHEN HES DEAD AND CANNOT RESPOND.AND QUITE FRANKLY YOUR COLD HEARTED HANDLING OF THIS DISAPPOINTS ME GREATLY.I AM GOING TO SHOW HIM THE LOVE HE NEEDS SOMETHING YOU SEEM INCAPABLE OF. THIS BLOG HAS FALLEN BIGTIME. I HAVE BEEN TLD OFTEN OF THE DISGUSTING BEHAVIOURS THAT OCCUR HERE TOWARDS EACHOTHER AND QUITE FRANKLY THIS IS THE WORST!
ReplyDeleteWe always knew the internet was a dangerous place. But we need to communicate as we do, because churches too have become dangerous places. Where shall we go for the words of life? Keep asking Jesus to come with His words and read what He has already written.
ReplyDeleteMariel
Shrug. I seldom understand what Farmer was writing about, and these others that you archived make no sense to me either. My first reaction is to think of the movie "A Beautiful Mind".
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteTo quote you:
"...I HAVE BEEN TLD OFTEN OF THE DISGUSTING BEHAVIOURS THAT OCCUR HERE TOWARDS EACHOTHER AND QUITE FRANKLY THIS IS THE WORST!
6:56 PM"
If one has an opinion to express with a degree of passion that requires emphasizing it with caps, it's a pity one wouldn't have the character, or courage, to sign a name to it.
The upside of such a display of imbicility is that it demonstrates how easily one can declare one's insignificance with exceptional clarity, to anyone that sobermindedly encounters it.
Your "contribution" to the truism that a valued opinion has a name, is duley noted and appreciated.
If you would be so inclined, take a moment and look up the defination of "fool", then go take a look into a mirror for a clear visual image of one to illustrate the word picture.
HK
Here I am, one who was deluded by the New Age for about a decade and partially deluded for more years as I worked my way out of it. I am here to testify that it can wrap its tentacles in devious ways. So I am always suspicious.
ReplyDeleteWe have to realize that by writing on the Internet we expect to be read by those who would trip us up.
This is not a secret blog. The enemy will always be here.
That is why I long for Home, don't you? This world is NOT a safe place.
But indeed pray for the deluded, such as I was.
Mariel
warning to all, if we spend so much time checking current events and new age movement, and never spend time with the Lord or reading His words, there is the danger because we are not abiding in Him. Our faith is about Jesus Christ, not our discerning world events or new age influence, these are secondary issues.
ReplyDeleteA must view:
ReplyDeletehttp://g8ors.blogspot.com/2009/05/bjorn-just-blue-it-bigtime.html
Bet dollars to donuts that "Far More" IS "Farmer" !!!!
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous 6:56
ReplyDeleteWHY DON'T YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO LEAVE YOUR NAME! YOU YELL WELL!
CONSTANCE
To Anonymous 8:15
ReplyDeleteThe same could be said for any occupation that people may have. ANY preoccupation...whether it be, family, sports, games, serving the poor... if it is spent at the loss of our time with Christ and abiding in His word....I would say yes...I agree with you. But some here may have recieved a call to expose these matters of current events while serving their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. It's a matter of abiding in Christ while we serve in our calling.
It is certainly a warfare all the way around, any way you look at it. It is a fight to the finish.
Error--- I meant to type Anonymous 8:55 and not 8:15
ReplyDeleteI just looked at the Bjorn to be Free site. Then I looked at the comments section. Bjorn is also using the internet name "bluegodstar" and he talks about 18 years experience with it.
ReplyDeleteI certainly hopes he repents, but it looks to me like we were being worked by one who thought he had superior intellect to us. I hope I'm wrong, but this is beyond New Age. This is like the stuff of which it is shameful even to speak.
Constance
I agree with those who state that the first things is to approach a brother privately probably with another as a witness. On the other side I would say that I have recently felt "Farmer " was "free associating" a bit too much for my tastes in some past posts. a couple of these did make me wonder if he was having difficulty getting his thoughts in order. He did quite a take on the number 333 and Solana and in my opinion it was weak and if anything a diversion from the better associations with 666. It would be a stretch to think of him as a provacateur or infiltrator but I suppose they might exist. I also miss Herb Peters because he was a psychologically well balanced individual who was able to delve into the difficult strange but true world of Prophecy. I also agree my bets are on Solana and the Felipe Gonzalez connection. Gonzalez will then turn around around and help secure Solana's reappointment. And yet if Solana is Satans man then the world may be best deceived with Solana hidden beneath a Tony Blair. It is interesting to see Tony Blair and Gonzalez appear tired and stressed while Solana appears fresh. He looked positively animated visiting the EU military patrol site in the Straits off Africa
ReplyDeleteI must confess, having been in this long, grimy, dirty war against the New Age Movement and to sound necessary alarms, that I can well empathize with Moses' frustration when he received nothing but criticism from the Israelis he led out of the land of Egypt. At one point in his frustration, he turned to God and said, (Numbers 16:15)
ReplyDelete"And Moses was very wroth and said unto the Lord, respect not thou their offering: I have not taken one ass from them, neither have I hurt one of them."
I've sacrificed much of my billable time, I've freely shared materials that could be sold, I've tried my best to get a warning out without exploiting anybody. I do not want a serious warning diluted by messages such as "send me $29.95 and I will send you my prophecy video of the month." We are in serious times. We were warned that we would have infiltrators among us. I feel bad about Bjorn myself. I had serious warnings about him for the past 6 weeks. When I saw the blogspot, it could be ignored no longer. Bjorn was much too sophisticated to be doing it innocently. He was establishing bona fides among us while maintaining tight relationships with those who have no respect for God whatsoever and who would cheerfully destroy us.
Had some of those who have sought to block and destroy my work against the New Age Movement over the past 28 years got their hands on this (by the Grace of God, we got there first), the would have used it to discredit this work in its totality.
Had I given advance warning, the evidence surely would have disappeared.
I cannot shake the feeling either that serious harm may have been planned against those of us whose confidence was gained.
On the other hand, I did find a presentation in German which I did a rough translation to English which appears that Bjorn was making efforts to retard the "cashless society." I understand Bjorn came from a missionary family. If so and he was raised up right, he may well return to God.
Time is running out to play games against God -- his restraining Holy Spirit could well be soon withdrawn. In my opinion, letting Bjorn know he could neither further manipulate nor get away with this while maintaining our confidence, was the kindest thing I could do under these hideous circumstances.
I have a handicapped husband and have my own financial problems galore. That is no time to turn from God. It is the time to draw closer to him. If Bjorn, in my opinion truly believed we are in the times he himself has told us we are, such apostasy would have been unthinkable to him.
For those of you who have not read Bjorn's blogspot, my archived .pdf file download of it is available in my "PRESENTATIONS FOR DOWNLOADING" link. If you don't have access to my books, you can get them there for free downloading and reading as well. I also urge you to go to Lee Penn's website and take full advantage of the free download and reading of his book FALSE DAWN.
Constance
I just want to point out the connections to one of the the commenters on Bjorn's "other" blog ( besides the porn one which I almost accidently opened but didn't thank God)...
ReplyDelete"Anadæ Effro said...
And then, Björn, there's the Blue Deer Healing Retreat Center & Home for Ancestral Traditions located in upstate New York … funny, I have a family of Renaissance Faire worker friends who live right near it. Thank you for all your pulling togather of signals, signs, and symbols, Björn … we need more of your ilk at this time in humankind's history.
All the very, very best,
Anadæ Effro (•:-)}"
I want to point out his link and then what he's connected to:
Anadæ Effro said...
And then, Björn, there's the Blue Deer Healing Retreat Center & Home for Ancestral Traditions located in upstate New York … funny, I have a family of Renaissance Faire worker friends who live right near it. Thank you for all your pulling togather of signals, signs, and symbols, Björn … we need more of your ilk at this time in humankind's history.
All the very, very best,
Anadæ Effro (•:-)}
http://www.bluedeer.org/cowan.html
http://tiny.cc/4AHep
These are no small operators. There is Ford Foundation, Rockefeller etc;
http://foundationcenter.org/about/board.html
http://tiny.cc/qOtvh
So you have Rockefeller, Ford and other big names of this foundation funding a Shamanic healing center.. Funny because I've been talking about indigenous people's.. Here's another link on their site:
http://www.sacredfirecommunity.com/
amazing what's being funded.
Joyce
Dear Constance,
ReplyDeleteI have had a chance to do a little investigating and I must say that I think you are right in saying that "this is beyond New Age. This is like the stuff of which it is shameful even to speak.
This is all that I feel I can say for now.
This Shabbat I was studying the Torah portion of Balaam and Balak. For those who don't remember the story, Balak wants Balaam to curse the Israelites. Balaam tries but cannot because he cannot "curse who God has blessed".. After attempts, he seems to stop but we later see what happens:
ReplyDeleteNum. 24:25-25:3Then Balaam arose and departed and returned to ahis place, and Balak also went his way. While Israel remained at Shittim, the people began bto play the harlot with the daughters of Moab. For they invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their gods. So aIsrael joined themselves to Baal of Peor, and the LORD was angry against Israel.
Now, I want to post another comment from the blog of Bjorn's ( the other blog):
"I'm currently in the process of writing about the connection between the Blue One and Pan. I've been looking at the symbol of the Horn (which I believe is symbolic of the opening of the 3rd Eye/Christ Consciousness) and here I find you describing your girlfriends dream about a Horn growing from her forehead! There's some weird sync-stuff going on here but I'm really excited about the can of worms you've just opened.
Thanks so much Björn for making this new Blog to share your thoughts/experiences and I really look forward to seeing how all of this evolves. "
It sounds like Bjorn has joined himself to someone who has occult things going on in her life. I want to suggest that Satan has many ways to deceive us, and as in the case of the Isaelites, Balaam could not curse them because God had blessed them, so he got them to sin with the pagan women of Moab, which then led to gross idolatry.
I'm not saying this to beat a dead horse, but to point out that any spiritual doors in our life which are open, are a point of entry for Satan. I'm not saying this only for Bjorn, but for all of us.. The more that someone is in the public spotlight, the more they are a target for Satan.
We should pray for protection for the people who serve and minister to us, whether it be through a blog or in our local congregation.
The mention of Balaam does not end there. We go to the book of Revelations and see it again;
Rev. 2:12-17 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. ‘But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality.‘So you also have some who in the same way hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. ‘Therefore repent; or else bI am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth.He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a cnew name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’
Oddly enough in Berlin is the Pergamon Museum with the temple of Pergamon and the Ishtar Gates or the Gates of Hell from Nebechadnezzer's Temple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK05-Dt-6go&feature=related
http://tiny.cc/abRcn
Nebuchadnezzer's temple also looked like a pyramid, or a Mayan ruin and was thought to be blue:
http://www.unmuseum.org/babel.htm
as did Babel
I will add more to this.
Joyce
This is an article about the Shoah and some of the occult influences.. Norse mythology which the god "Odin" that Bjorn was talking about is mentioned in this article under the name Wotan. Often pagan gods have more than one name:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.shoaheducation.com/thor.html#giants
http://tiny.cc/vEmLc
You can look at the whole site, but I will post the specific info on Wotan or Odin:
"Wotan, in Norse Mythology was a warrior sovereign, and is often seen as the primary god. The Nazis used the archetype of Wotan because of his "Warrior-King" traits, but many of even the top ranking officials believed in the Mythological character as more than merely Archetype. Josef Goebbels, in his conference notes once made the remark regarding what was to be let known about the Nazi agenda for the post-war period, said, "We will of course not let them know about Wotan. (Woden)". More remarkably, Wotan, or Odin, was rumored to have hung himself on a tree to obtain knowledge which was granted him, and gave his victory in doing so gave him the ability to travel freely in the nether-worlds (like hell) or in the heavens. The Nazis at the highest level intended after Europe was in their control, to assimilate the Church, and re-interpret such central doctrines as Christ's crucifixtion and victory over death, with the keys to Heaven and Hell in terms of old Norse Legend, or as it was referred to as 'volkish mysticism'. Wotan or Odin is also said to have learned runes in this way, which fascinated the Nazis.(the swastika is an example of a rune).1"
The implications of this are terrible..
Joyce
More on Wotan:
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wotan
Wotan stands for "Will of the Aryan nation"...
Joyce
Joyce said and quoted-
ReplyDelete----Our only barometer for what is good and what is evil is Scripture.. As people put the Scriptures aside in favor of other spiritualities and activities they believe the lies..or as Romans says:
Rom. 1:21-25 For even though they knew God, they did not 1honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore a God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. ----
Joyce and others- I have been rightly chastened recently for what has become an out of balance preoccupation with this whole new age agenda. While I do see the importance of remaining alert and informed to what is going on around us, that same attention to these things can become a thief of our time and energies that our God has given us to expend in a multitude of other things that He has placed in our lives to serve in while abiding in His word. I would think it wise of Constance to advise those of us who come to this site to include such cautions to her hearers. Perhaps she has done that in the past, but it may be advisable to have such cautions as these placed upon the main page to be reminded of often. I trust that Constance is a lover of men's souls.
If we all are refreshing ourselves in the word more, we will then gain true wisdom in regard to all things that come before us, including the deceptive workings of the enemy of our souls. Such an enemy would have us doing their bidding while being enslaved to an over preoccupation with exposing things done in darkness.
I myself have been plucked from the fire of an occultic family. For years prior to the revelation of darker things in my past, I have been cared and nurtured by the word of God in a loving church family. I have grown these past twenty years since my conversion to Christ Jesus and have healed in such amazing ways as He has renewed my mind in the truth. Since my coming to understand more of the things so relevant to my past, and how they are connected to what I am seeing exposed today, while it has its place in my bank of knowledge, in recent months I have found myself to lean too far in and dwell too long so as to effect (neglect) my own sweet relationship with the One who saved me.
Can we not all agree that the enemy's work is being accomplished well if while we are so preoccupied with exposing the darkness that we neglect the greater need to encourage one another daily with how we are to live today and how that effects our eternal treasure of knowing Him forever?
CONSTANCE, While I have great respect for what you are doing to alert us all in regards to the New Age movement, I would like to remind you, myself and others that we refresh ourselves in the Lord daily first. I pray that our God gives us all wisdom in regard to these things.
I do believe that if this is a place more permeated with godliness in our speech, it would be a room that the enemy would quickly flee from, and then perhaps the likes of some that are presently frequenting this blog would not be putting down such comfortable roots.
I went to bed at a decent our, but (once again) woke with these things on my mind.... and I am willing to bet that for anyone here that is a child of God, cannot help but have the same promptings---goading us. Is is not the guardian of our souls that loves us so?
JC
7/6/2009
ReplyDeleteJoyce wrote: "King David, committed adultery ---"
He did not. It was customary that someone leaving for battle give his wife a bill of divorce to free her in the event of his death. David was criticized and punished for putting her husband in harm's way; not for adultery.
I will pray for Farmer
ReplyDeleteLen,
ReplyDeleteThat's interesting interpretation, but wrong. If that was true then why did David try to "hide his sin"..by making sure Uriah was killed..
2Sam. 12:7-9 Nathan then said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel, ‘bIt is I who anointed you king over Israel and it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul.
‘I also gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these! ‘Why have you despised the word of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword, have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon.
and this:
Psa. 51:1-2 For the choir director. A Psalm of David, when †Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness;
According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity
And cleanse me from my sin.
...and even David called her "the wife of Uriel".
2Sam. 11:3 So David sent and inquired about the woman. And one said, “Is this not Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of bUriah the Hittite?”
In the text, the Prophet Nathan calls her Uriah's wife. David was guilty of not honoring God with all of his heart, of coveting what was his neighbor's, of lying, of stealing of murder and of adultery.
Not only that, had David gone out to battle with his men, he would have been sitting home and being tempted by the site of Bathsheba.
There is no text that says a "certificate of divorce was given" . In fact Uriel, when returning from battle, a Hittite, by loyalty to the Ark said he would not go sleep with "his wife" because he was guarding the ark.
2Sam. 11:11 Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in temporary shelters, and my lord Joab and the servants of my lord are camping in the open field. Shall I then go to my house to eat and to drink and to lie with my wife? By your life and the life of your soul, I will not do this thing.”
Adultery, even by a King is sin according to Scripture, and the deeper issue is of course that adultery is always a reflection of one's relation with God, so spiritual and physical adultery are synonymous.
The instruction in Torah is that if a man is a newlywed he should wait one year before going to battle..
Deut. 24:5 “When a man takes a new wife, he shall not go out with the army nor be charged with any duty; he shall be free at home one year and shall give happiness to his wife whom he has taken.
Shalom,
Joyce
Farmer may have cohorts. Judging by the vehemence of those who leaped to his defense I suspect he does. Those who say their occultic beliefs and their New Age lives are so strong they have trouble leaving them behind...I have to doubt their sincerity.
ReplyDeleteJC,
ReplyDeleteAll I can say to you is Amen!
Thanks for sharing from your life, and you are 100% right in what you are saying.
It's one thing to be aware, and even informed, but the risk is developing a spirit of fear or pride and the other risk is just having a lot of information that doesn't save anyone. It's not knowledge of darkness that will save.. if that were so, Bjorn would not be in his predicament, because his knowledge would have protected him.
It's not just head knowledge of Scripture either.. It's knowing how to appropriate it for our lives and walk in it. We have to believe it with all of our heart and mind..Sometimes believers have things that block them and they seem incapable of appropriating truth...Sometimes it's because of unconfessed sin or because the person believes a lie.
I want to go back to the verse in Genesis about what leaving means:
Gen. 12:1 Now athe LORD said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
Sometimes it's our family, but sometimes it's our associations or our habits. Abram took Lot with him at first and look at all the trouble it caused..Lot brought Bablyon with him. Leaving isn't always easy, but this is what we're called to do if we want to follow God.
We must subject everything to the Biblical grid of truth and if it doesn't fit, we need to throw it away..
I think what looking too, much or looking with a wrong perspective can do is create a spirit of fear. We know that Yeshua made an open and public display of the works of darkness, and that as new creations our identity is now in Him. We should be focused on what the Lord thinks, or as Scripture says;
Matt. 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
The bottom line is when we know our identity in Messiah, and we develop a love for His Word, we'll discern what's going on out there in the light of Scripture and God can use us to point it out to others, and to speak truth, but our fear must be of Him, and not of the darkness.
Psa. 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments; His praise endures forever.
and one more:
Prov. 19:23 The fear of the LORD leads to life,
So that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil.
As much as these things going on our there are kind of mind-blowing, if we keep our eyes on the One who has the power over all of this and who is sovereign, the one who spoke the creation into existence, we will keep the right perspective.
Your experiences can be used to help others.. and "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free". We're free because we've chosen truth..
There are lots of captives out there, who do not know their true identity in Yeshua, who do not know what it means to redeemed in full and to have life, abundant life. Once we were all dead in our sins, prior to knowing Him and people came across our path who were instrumental in helping us out of the dark, so He uses His body..
New Age expertise will not protect people from what's coming down, but the Rock, Yeshua and His Word will.
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Being a new creation, means walking with the righteousness of Yeshua the Messiah. None of us do this perfectly, but if the days really are as short as they look, then the most valuable thing we have to offer people is our testimony of Yeshua and His Word.
May the Name of Yeshua be lifted up on this blog and in our lives and
Psa. 68:1 Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered, And let those who hate Him flee before Him.
Joyce
Bothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. The Spirit that indwells us will direct us and prompt us to gage what is true and right here.
ReplyDeleteAlready I see that battle raging for the "ground" that is being fought for here on this site. It must be true that the enemy is wanting desperately to have us remain ignorant to the mounting evidence of what appears to be the externalization of evil that is being raised to lull us into an ignorant acceptance and lazy sleep.
Correction, in my post to Len in one place I wrote Uriel. That is Uriah, who was the husband of Bathsheba.
ReplyDeleteJoyce
This post is to voice my support for how Constance handled this.
ReplyDeleteHaving read Farmer's blog, along with other sites he has been posting, I was so stunned I just looked speechless. The past day has been a very sad one for me. I feel as though I lost a brother whom I looked forward to seeing when we are all united with the Lord.
If this issue were one of the flesh, I would look at it differently. Lord knows Satan knows how and when to attack and we are not always faithful. Thankfully the Lord is always faithful.
The problem I have with Farmer's activities is that it is spiritual. His new web site, along with another he has made friendly posts, are very much Satanic.
I feel tremendous loss. But I know the Lord's voice and the voice of those web sites are not the Lord's.
I truly hope and pray Bjorn sorts out his life and ends up being my brother in eternity.
Constance did what she had to do. I would have done the same.
Rich
News from Israel:
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http://tiny.cc/Dg7IF
Didn't take long for Netanyahu to cave in on the Two State solution...
Joyce
Now, this is also too much.. Rabbi says that those murdered in Shoah were "reincarnation" of those who sinned in past generations:
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http://tiny.cc/76eTm
Reincarnation is part of Jewish mysticism, not Scriptural...
It sounds like the executions and torture in Iran are getting more and more brutal, very sad:
http://tiny.cc/y6CcK
and the world is turning against Honduras. Their military coup was to avoid having an illegal 3 term President like Chavez, but that seems to be being ignored in the world press:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/07/200975135323927384.html
http://tiny.cc/zAwIB
Obama is going to try to improve relations with Russia.. too. It didn't work very well with Iran or North Korea, so maybe he'll have better luck with Russia.
Al Queda is threatening France over Sarkozy's decision to ban the burka:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/06/30/france.burkas.al.qaeda/index.html
http://tiny.cc/DAVmW
And a few other items that might be of interest in addition to the other items here, and Michael Jackson... More of the drug news is coming out, but
there won't be any shortage of news on that.
Joyce
One more from JP:
ReplyDeleteUS will not stand in Israel's way if they want to take out Iran's nuclear reactors:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443724418&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://tiny.cc/5lONE
It's interesting that the news of 2 state solution and this announcement from Biden come at the same time. I suspected that Iran would be a negotiating point for Israel to accept 2 State solution. . With Iran acting like a tyrant at the moment, there won't be much sympathy anywhere if Israel hits them.
Saudi Arabia agreed to let Israel use it's airspace:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443717447&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://tiny.cc/UL5TR
Obama's discussion with Russia should be interesting under these circumstances. Russia has been supportive of Iran's nuclear aspirations.. It's good economics for them.
Joyce
One more... Obama's busy. .He and the Pope will discuss the Middle East..
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http://tiny.cc/ebPZQ
Joyce
A word for all of us who profess to believe that Jesus is Lord and Messiah:
ReplyDeleteBE WATCHFUL , and STRENGTHEN the things which remain…
REMEMBER how you have received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.
BECAUSE we are "surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses" we MUST
"throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles" so we can
"run with perseverance the race marked out for us."
WE MUST have our eyes fixed on Jesus, "the author and perfecter of our faith"
We MUST be self controlled and alert, RESISTING the devil,
"standing firm in the faith", knowing that our brothers and sisters around the world are experiencing similar trials and temptations.
Like Isaiah, we must set our faces like flint and tremble at His Word. In other words, the time to remain lukewarm is over.
I concur with Rich and all here who support your decision Constance.
-Rudi
Rudi,
ReplyDeleteAmen and amen!!
JC
Constance said,
ReplyDelete"pray that Farmer does repent and also that he repents of his girlfriend. He is a married man!"
He didn't mention the time-frame in the blog-post in question, however Farmer did mention in a comment he made on another blog that the dream described took place 20 years ago in Germany - perhaps he wasn't married then? Just a thought.
Matthew
http://blackdogstar.blogspot.com/2009/05/star-of-shiva.html
I have a picture of Bjorn with the girlfriend dated March, 2009.
ReplyDeleteConstance
"Shiva" is listed as one of the "infernal names" for Satan in Anton Szandor LaVey's THE SATANIC BIBLE. So is "Pan." Of course there is "Lucifer" and so many others. The Scriptures clearly proclaim "those who worship idols worship devils . . ." (1 Cor 10);\ Also, do not forget Isaiah 42:8: "I am the Lord, that is my name. My glory I will not share with another, neither will I give my praise to graven images."
ReplyDeleteConstance
Joyce, as far as Netanyahu caving on the two state solution, it came with pre-conditions that I don't believe (in all probablity neither does he) the Palestians would ever accommodate...recognizing Israel's right to exhist and to de-militerize.
ReplyDeleteI think he was trying to hit the ball back into their court, revealing their true colors to the world, I don't think his strategy will work but it was a nice try.
It is doubtful (in my mind) that we are any closer to a two state solution....the drama continues.
Rich from Medford - You said it well. There is a loss.
ReplyDeleteConstance - I am sorry that you have been scrutinized for pointing out the information on Farmer. Thank you for caring about your readers and bloggers. This must have been tough for you as well.
Jaclyn,
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing that is his political calculation but it's not the platform he was elected on. There are others that say, Netanyahu was elected at this time because Israelis will trust him to negotiate, where they would not have trusted Olmert or Livni, because Israelis will have more confidence in him.. because he'll protect Israel's interests.
I agree with you that it's not so simple, but there's also a big push to get something done.. We'll see what's going to happen.
Joyce
Yes, let's keep Constance in our prayers too... It takes a lot of courage to come forward with this information and I'm sure it wasn't something that she delighted in.
ReplyDeleteJoyce
Javier Solana announces retirement for this October. I have serious doubts.
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Curt
Joyce,
ReplyDeleteIsn't Wotan where we get our
word 'Wednesday" as well,
and like the other names of
the week, it's either a pagan
god or a Roman emporer?
sun day
moon day
Zeus day
Wodens' day
Thors day
Friday (frere's?) day ?
Saturn day (satan's day)
I guess my point is that in this world,
ReplyDeleteanything goes as long as it's NOT
Christian.
Thus:
Christian becomes cretin
Janus ( a pagan god ) -uary
February ?
Mars= the "god" of war
April= Aphrodite the"goddess" of love
May= the goddess Maia
June= Junious the Roman clan
July= Julius the emperor
Augustus= the emperor
September-December
=the original 8th through 10th
months before the
Gregorian calender
and, among many other highjackings,
Saint Nicolas became Santa Claus
Resurrection became Easter
Christmas became Xmas
Homosexual=good, lovable, sweet,( gay)
chaste becomes repressed, sick
sober becomes dry, or boring
zealous for the Lord becomes bigotted
orthodox becomes "religious nutcase"
etc etc etc
Isn't all this the AOC view ?
I point all this out because I grew
up naiively thinking that the world
respected God and that evil was
abnormal and rare.
In fact evil paganism is the norm.
"Love not the world, neither the
things of the world. If any man
loves this world, the love of the
Father is not in him."
( I John 2:15 )
Joyce, I agree, I would have thought Netanyahu would have demonstrated a bit more steel in his spine, the pressure must be unbearable. I'm reminded that the King's heart is like a river, God moves it whichever way He will.
ReplyDeleteConstance and indeed everyone, allow this most recent dissapointment/shock to make heaven that much sweeter. We were promised trials and tribulations, and our battles are not with flesh and blood. This is a vivid reminder that we are living out our years in a very fallen world, but it isn't home. Endure the trials, be faithful, fight the good fight, a crown awaits!
Onward Christian Soldiers!!
Yes Jaclyn... our battles are not with flesh and blood. Farmer well understood the deep pagan meaning of these end days. On this very day (July 4th) The sun will rise between the pillars of Gemini on the same plane with Sirius. July 11 is coming. Obama's designated day of "rest". We shall see.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I have heard a lot about the July 11 date, in fact a lot of people are bracing themselves for a number of possible surprises during the first half of July.
ReplyDeleteWe seem to have made it through the 4th without incident, indeed we shall see ;-)
Jaclyn, The Pagans and their understanding pre-dates Christianity by several thousand years. The information that they possess should not be discounted or dismissed. Although of Satanic / occultic origin, the information surrounding July 11, 2009 is vast and broad in its possible meanings. The god of this world has had his followers looking forward to several dates for thousands of years. These dates are coming to pass. Interesting times are at hand to say the least.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteI did not realize July 11, has deep roots in the occult/paganism, can you elaborate a little bit?
Anonymous 7:47, I took some years to completely cut off New Age things. There were certain things that seemed good. It took shock after shock to finally get me to throw away all New Age pictures and books, and cutting up the books rather than throwing them away whole, so that no one could read them. I had written a book on how to Recover from Excesses of the New Age--I thought it was just excesses rather than a bad whole. When I finally left, I left behind ALL of my social group, except for my husband, who came out with me, thank God Almighty. So do not doubt when someone says it can be hard to leave.
ReplyDeleteThe difference now, from when I left 20 years ago, is that now the whole picture is clearer. It should be easier to leave if you read the Bible and believe it. The hardest leaving may be for those whose pastors do not fully explicate the Bible. I don't know if you know pastors like that, churches like that. I thank God every day for Chuck Missler's Bible studies, even though there are things about Chuck's views I demur on...he taught us the Bible well enough so that we really understood it. We were blessed. Hallelujah!
Mariel
God created time, so like everything else, Satan always wants to pervert what God has created.. Here's what Genesis says about time:
ReplyDeleteGen. 1:14-19 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. God placed them in the 1expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
and of course:
Gen. 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts.
By athe seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
There's no morning or evening on the seventh day because there's no end...This reminds us that there awaits a Sabbath rest for those who are in Yeshua.
Then God elaborates further on His calendar in Lev 23: Lev. 23:1-2 The LORD spoke again to Moses, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The LORD’S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations — My appointed times are these:
The rest of the chapter describes the 7 feasts of the Lord, but the expression "appointed times" in hebrew , mo'ed is the same word used in Genesis 1:14 for "seasons".
n.m. appointed time, place, meeting —
1. appointed time:
a. in general with the prefix לְ, at an or the appointed time; c, prefix בְּ; c. מִן.
b. in particular, sacred season, usu. set feast or appointed season (wider than חַג, which was only a feast celebrated by a pilgrimage), ’ מ(ימי) יוֹם day(s) of appointed season (i.e. festivals); sg. indef.; of the feast of booths; usu. pl. יהוה ’מ; with sfs. referring to ’י.
A mo'ed is also an appointed place.. but I want to focus on the calendar because it was God who created time..God did not create something worthless and He exists outside of time.
Let's see how Paul's writings have been wrongly misinterpreted to say that he was against the mo'ed:
Gal. 4:9-10 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years.
Paul is not talking about the Sabbath which God Himself instituted at creation, or the other mo'ed..
Sabbath is mentioned over 130 times in the Bible.. Paul is talking about pagan practices.
He was talking about man's traditions and customs, many of which today still enslave people.
Col. 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the celementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
And yes, no one is to judge us in regards to how we observe these. Jewish tradition has some pretty elaborate ways of celebrating and some of it is good, but it's not all mandated by Scripture. Scriptures just says to "cease" our labors.. and it's a holy convocation.
Paul observed the Sabbath:
Acts 16:13 And on athe Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled.
and the other mo'ed:
1Cor. 5:8 Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
...well after Yeshua's death.
Since the subject of time came up...
Joyce
Constance,
ReplyDeleteIt really hurts when you've given someone your trust and they betray the Lord. I've had it happen lately with people I've worked with in the trenches for ten years who I would have trusted as much as myself. I've come to realize that you can only discern so much, but man it hurts. These times were prophesied so I guess we shouldn't be surprised by them. My prayers are with you and the others here that we will remain faithfull to the end.
RC
I just want to add, one of the greatest blessings for me has been following God's calendar.. It's not a burden, but rather there are special blessings when we learn what it means to enter into His cycle of time.
ReplyDeleteProphetically of course, the Spring and Fall feasts point us to the first and second comings of Yeshua in very clear ways, so all those on the blog who are interested in looking for "signs" of the times.. His appointments are dress rehearsals for the event.
If you were getting married, you would rehearse before the ceremony....Then you would be ready to meet the bridegroom..
There are no idle words in the Bible.
Joyce
Reposting from Bjorn Farmer's site:
ReplyDeleteDeut. 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law. ( torah-teaching instructions).
The fall in the garden happened because Adam and Eve wanted to have knowledge of good and evil instead of life.. The tree of life was available to eat from.. God did not forbid it, but they chose the tree that was forbidden instead of life.
God has given us life, in Yeshua.. It's free. We don't have to work for it, we don't have to earn it, but once we have life we have to guard it. We have to protect our relationship with God by nurturing it with time in His Word, with prayer, and also by taking the weeds out of our life.. All of us must do this without exception...
Prov. 14:12 There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.
Prov. 15:31-32 He whose ear listens to the life-giving reproof Will dwell among the wise. He who neglects discipline despises himself,
But he who listens to reproof acquires understanding.
For those of you who are able and willing, maybe we could set aside a day to fast and pray for Bjorn and his family for complete restoration and healing and for every stronghold in Bjorn's life to be broken.
Is. 58:6 “Is this not the fast which I choose,
To loosen the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the bands of the yoke,
And to let the oppressed go free
And break every yoke?
Besides praying for his repentance, pray for his wife and children who must be devastated. If we on the blog are saddened, you can imagine that his family must be really hurting.. Pray for their healing and God's provision in their lives.
Pray for the young lady in his life, that she will leave and also come to repentance and come to the knowledge of salvation.
Pray that the Lord would take what Satan has meant for evil and turn it for His good and His glory.
There are probably many watching this... Including those from the UN who offered Bjorn a job, for all we know. Let them watch and let them see the deliverance of the Lord. Let them see His Yeshua ( the salvation of God).
Pray for those lost people on the other blog. They need the Lord too! They're not out of God's reach.
When God was going to destroy Israel for their sin, look what Moses prayed:
Num. 14:13-14 But Moses said to the LORD, “Then the Egyptians will hear of it, for by Your strength You brought up this people from their midst, and they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land.
It's not only Bjorn's family and his future at stake, but God's reputation. Let's pray with boldness that His Name would be lifted up in the midst of this battle.. Yeshua was already victorious over the forces of darkness:
Col. 2:15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He amade a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
We don't come in our power in authority, but in Yeshua's.
Pray for all of our protection. This truly is warfare, but the Lord will strengthen our hands for battle:
Psa. 144:1 Blessed be the LORD, amy rock,
Who trains my hands for war,
And my fingers for battle;
I'll repost this at Constance's.
Joyce
Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:03:00 PM
One last repost from Bjorn's
ReplyDeleteJust one more reminder, although I'm sure most of you know our battle is not against flesh and blood. Bjorn's not the enemy.. We know who the enemy is..the snake is still a snake.
Eph. 6:10-20 Finally, abe strong in the Lord and in bthe strength of His might. Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the bschemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this edarkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in gthe heavenly places.Therefore, take up athe full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Stand firm therefore, HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING bPUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE; in addition to all, taking up the ashield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.And take aTHE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the bsword of the Spirit, which is cthe word of God. With all aprayer and petition pray at all times cin the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all eperseverance and fpetition for all the saints, and apray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me bin the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness dthe mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
.... and we are not Bjorn's enemy either.. I think he knows that.. The enemy is wicked and we are in wicked days, but Yeshau has already won the battle and He's coming back one day soon to reign.
Joyce
Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:15:00 PM
7/6/2009
ReplyDeleteDear Joyce,
Here is the deal with Dsvid and Bathsheba!
David wanted Uriah to have relations with his wife to cover up his own action and thereby avoid desecrating God's Name.
David verified Batsheba's divorced status when he launched the inquiry of Vs. 3. Only after this did he order her to be brought to him. If he wanted to commit adultery he would not have bothered to investigate. He also knew that Bathsheba had also just been purified by bathing after her period so he would not be violating a biblical law. (Vs. 4)
Had she been married David and Bathsheba would both be guilty of adultery and subject to the death penalty regardless of whether she had been menstrually clean. So David made sure he was technically clean even if not morally so.
Uriah knew that, if he rejoined his wife, the divorce would become invalid and he would need to give her another before leaving. This, as well as the desire not to leave his men, motivated him. From David's viewpoint, Uriah's refusal, along with his calling Joab "my lord" in 11:11, were disloyal acts liable to the death penalty as befits a rebel. Uriah showed he was more loyal to Joab than to David.
David's blunder was in having Uriah killed in battle rather than having him tried by the Sanhedrin. It is for this reason the Talmud says David did not sin except in regard to Uriah. When Nathan confronts David in Ch. 12 he condemns him for marrying Bathsheba after causing Uriah's death but does not mention the affair.
David's innocence of adultery is confirmed by David's eventual heir to his throne, Solomon, coming from this marriage.
Len,
ReplyDeleteThat's reading more into than what is there.
2Sam. 11:3 So David sent and inquired about the woman. And one said, “Is this not Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?”
2Sam. 11:4 David sent messengers and took her, and when she came to him, ahe lay with her; band when she had purified herself from her uncleanness, she returned to her house.
According to the text his inquiry resulted in him finding out whose wife and whose daughter she was, no more, no less.
The hebrew word darash, in no way indicates what kind of inquiring David did, according to the definition.. It could, but the fact that the conclusion is that she is Uriah's wife seems to preclude that being the nature of his inquiry.
The text says in the present text that she was Uriah's wife, but I will check with some friends who are hebrew scholars to verify this, but my initial impression is that this is addressed in the text.
Joyce
7/6/2009
ReplyDeleteJoyce fantacized: "Prophetically of course, the Spring and Fall feasts point us to the first and second comings of Yeshua in very clear ways,"
Joyce; your delusions -- the lengths to which you messianics go -- to rewrite the Tanakh to conform to your illusions are truly amazing if not surprising.
The Bible is very explicit about all kinds of minute details wrt the festivals. Don't you think that, if you were right, it would not have left to allegoric interpretation something so earthshaking as God having a son who would contradict His oft-repeated message that every person shall die for his own sins?
I understand why you do not confront reality by replying to my messages in the prior blog. You would rather bathe in your dreams.
Len,
ReplyDeleteDo you claim to be a child of God, saved by the blood of Christ? If so, where is the fruit of your confession that bears the love of Christ? Your attack, and anyone elses attack upon Joyce or others is either a sign of indwelling sin that needs to be confronted in love (for the sake of peace where the body works together in love) or you are giving a clear evidence of being outside of the the precious family of God that attacks and devours one another in hate. For the sake of Gods glory being to be revealed in you through the receiving of the love of God that has been poured out through the blood of His Son... which incidentally was shed for just a sin as the one displayed today-- turn, repent and come in to receive the forgiveness and love of God that is so precious to us all. I for one am just such a one that has need of such mercy every single day... the same as Joyce, the same as you. We're all a mess in need of Him.... and no one is an exception to this.
May we all walk in the fear that we ourselves would ever offend or pain another with harsh unkind words. There is the blow of the hand that strikes with hate-- then there is the blow that stikes as with the cleansing, chastening hand of love that desires to rebuke a brother in love. I trust that you and all here know the difference.
JC (J.Childs)
Joyce 10:30am
ReplyDeleteYou implied Netanyahu caved for a two state union.
Note: It is contingent ONLY on something the Palestinians will not be too swift to agree on.
"An agreement on this, he stressed, will necessitate the Palestinians recognizing Israel as the "state of the Jewish people," something that means the refugee issue will "be solved outside Israel's borders."
Such an agreement would also mean that "Israel needs and will receive defensible borders which include a full demilitarization of the Palestinian territory," Netanyahu said."
It would take alot for this man to cave. He has been fighting for Israel for along time.
prayerful
Regarding David and Bathsheba and adultery:
ReplyDeleteThere is no mention at all that David married Bathsheba. Therefore, he had sex with her outside of the covenant of marriage. That is adultery.
Terri
Len,
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine having the kind
of audacity that it would require to
look for LOOPHOLES in God's own
TORAH.
Good luck with that.
So he committed fornication with
her, not , technically, adultery ?
Len, are you kidding ?
The child that was born of David and
Bathsheba DIED just as God said it
would. It was only after deep repentance
and a legitimate marriage to her
that Soloman was born.
I wonder if David plans to have a slick
lawyer with him on judgement day so
he can trick God out of judging
him. I don't think so. ONLY grace
and mercy will save David.
Len, do you really think that
everything that David did
with Bathsheba was legit and A-OK
, except for that little detail about
sending one of his generals to the
front lines ?
In verses 9 and 10 of that chapter,
and elsewhere, of II Samuel God
calls Bathsheba "Uriah's wife",
more than once, which is consistant
with His saying that "what God has
joined together let no man cut asunder"
That's why he spent days and nights
prostrate on his face begging God
for forgiveness and begging for the life
of the child, but the child died anyway.
There were no loopholes.
And Joyces views on the Holy Days
and how they relate to our time
are exactly the views of The
Seventh Day Adventist Church,
as well as many other Christians
who happen to believe God's Word.
Joyce is not out on some self
invented limb as you accuse her of.
Re: Len. He never said he believes Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, did he? He follows the present-day version of Judaism, does he not? I assume he accepts as truth things such as the Talmud and the Zohar, etc. He is not a Christian.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of the Torah (and Paul is correct on the Uriah/Bathsheba/David/Solomon issue -- the biblical account is clear as are the Psalms, DEUTERONOMY 18 is clear and why I had to do what I did on the "double agent" issue. Differences of opinion on this blog are one thing -- those I tolerate and discussions about same I encourage. I do not like encouragements to shun and ad hominem arguments -- BUT here is the biblical/Torah reason why I had to take the stand and action I did. It is found in Deuteronomy 18:
ReplyDelete"When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you ANY ONE that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, OR that useth divination, OR an observer of times, OR an enchanter, OR witch. OR a charmer, or a CONSULTER WITH FAMILIAR SPIRITS, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these tings ARE an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. For those nations which thou shalt possess hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath suffered thee so to do (KJV)
Constance
Anonymous 8:39 AM
ReplyDeleteThe invitation to repent and come to Christ still stands. There is only one way for our hope and salvation and we all rejoice in welcoming one another into the fold of Christ when one repents and is saved.
Len is Jewish, Dorothy is Jewish . . . at this time, they would not confess Jesus as their Savior. They have both been open about where they are.
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Len,
ReplyDeleteYou will not understand until the day that you bend your knee to Yeshua.. until then you will fight tooth and nail to try to disprove everything that I say, but here's what Yeshua says so argue with him and not with me:
Luke 18:17 “Truly I say to you, awhoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.”
Joyce
Here's what I had written to Bjorn
ReplyDeletelast night before he apparently
took down all comments to his blog.
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Revelations 2:18-29 says:
18 And to the angel of the church of Thyatira write: These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire and whose feet are like the fine brass of Lebanon;
19 I know your works and love and faith and service, and your last works are to be more abundant than the first.
20 Notwhithstanding I have a few things against you because you allowed that woman of yours Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols.
21 And I gave her time to repent but she did not repent from her fornication.
22 Behold I will cast her into a sick bed and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will smite her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to every one of you according to your works.
24 But I say to you, the rest of you in Thyatira, those who do not have this doctrine, and those who have not known as they say, the depths of Satan, that I will not put upon you another burden.
25 But hold fast to that which you already have till I come.
26 And he who overcomes and keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations;
27 And he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron; like the vessels of the potter, they shall be shattered, even as I was disciplined by my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He who has ears let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
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Then I pointed out that Jezebel represents
paganism which is the same as this
New Age hokum, which is the same as
the "Whore of Babylon" etc.
But apparently Farmer didn't want any more of these comments or the many statements of compassion that were appearing on his blog
from Christians.
At this time, I guess he finds blue stars and dog stars more interesting ?
Constance,
ReplyDeleteDeut 18 is a good example of how Torah is teaching as well as law, and applies to the situation in question..
Bjorn has erased the comments section of his blog, but continue to pray for him. Right before they got erased, by chance I posted my comments from there to here as well...glad that I happened to do that..
Paul,
I don't know if I believe exactly what 7th day Adventists believe about the feasts.. There might be some similarities and some differences. Constance might know because she was raised one.. I know only a little about them. I think their perspective might be quite a bit different than my own.
Joyce
Prayerful,
ReplyDeleteI know that there are many pre-conditions to the two-state solution, and we don't know how any of these impossible things could be worked out.. We don't even know what the ultimate plan proposed would actually be. Right now these are all negotiating points.. Clearly Netanyahu had to bow to Obama, and make Obama look good or risk losing billions in aid. Jimmy Carter in his book proposed using the aid as a way to get Israel to bend..
If I am not mistaken, Netanyahu has made territorial concessions in the past, but that's not the issue. He will negotiate a tougher deal than Livni would have, which is why he was elected, but I don't think he will have a choice but to negotiate.
No one ever thought Sharon would give up land, but he did. Obviously, these men are politicians and approaching this as such. It's a pragmatic decision to give Palestinians a State, not a biblical one.
We'll see what happens with time, but I do believe part of Obama's mandate is to squeeze Israel as hard as he can and pretend he's not squeezing them. God's in control, so nothing will happen without Him sovereignly allowing it.
Joyce
CONSTANCE. Please check your email..
ReplyDeleteThe Torah also called the Bible is written word of the religion of Judaism. They are the holy books of the Jews. The books of the Torah were not written down when they happened. They were handed down orally, just as the Talmud was.
ReplyDeleteThose starting the new religion of Christianity hi-jacked the Bible, but to keep the religion simple they did not carry on the oral tradition. Probably they weren't trained to do so.
Judaism, which has a much longer developed history of the religion than Christianity is thus more complex.
There is another major difference between the Bible of the Jews and the Bible of the Christians.
In Christianity a person can almost take their pick of which translation they want to use. Here's a list of English Bible translations from Wikipedia.
http://tinyurl.com/334p8b
It's why Christians say I like this translation or that one. I even saw a Christian Bible that substituted the term for end days as New Age.
No one here is scholar enough to determine how or why these translations differ from one another, so I don't expect I'll go along with someone's explanation.
"Manuscript Torah scrolls are still used, and still scribed, for ritual purposes (i.e. religious services); this is called a Sefer Torah ("Book [of] Torah"). They are written using a painstakingly careful methodology by highly qualified scribes. This has resulted in modern copies of the text that are unchanged from millennia-old copies."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah#Authorship:
Judaism so far hasn't hi-jacked the New Testament, adding their own interpretations and teaching them as "the true religion." I supposed that will be done by New Age "spiritual" people calling themselves Jews.
The long lists of quotes from Christian Bibles that are used here are for Christians who really don't care which translation is being used or the larger history of those ancient words on which the English is based. I will say that God must be protecting the use of his directions because most Christians turn out to be pretty nice people no matter which translation they are using.
Dorothy
Len is Jewish, Dorothy is Jewish . . . at this time, they would not confess Jesus as their Savior. They have both been open about where they are.
ReplyDeleteAnd this fact I can appreciate - without having to try and convert them. I will converse with them - understanding that this is where thier faith is. God is not done with Israel.
BUT - "In Christianity a person can almost take their pick of which translation they want to use."
Yes - but at their own peril - falling into every whim and way of misguided or even false teaching out there, even worse - falsified as in "the message".
My personal (again - MY personal view) is to open up to Isiah 14:12 - and if lucifer (satan) has done a disappearing act - shelf that translation.
FARMER - if you are reading - I read that I must forgive you and if true - to be angry but not to sin.
DouginMI
Dorothy,
ReplyDeleteDepending on which scholars you read, most people believe that Moses wrote most of Torah himself with perhaps the exception of the ending.
Talmud and Mishnah were written down much later, a couple of hundred years after Yeshua's death as a matter of fact.
In Judaism they say that Moses received all of this, but a lot of Talmud is discussions and commentary by rabbis just as in Christian circles there are commentaries. Rabbi X says so and so, but Rabbi Y says thus and such. I do believe Moses received more than what was actually written down, but there is no proof that Mishnah is what Moses received.
The people that were exiled to Babylon and started codifying things may have had a very different perspective because they were in exile and were there because they disobeyed. Had they gotten it all right the first time they would be in exile, so what they passed down may not have been right. Based on some of the scathing rebukes of the Prophets God sent to them, it's more likely that they didn't get it all "right". .
An example of something that was unique to Second Temple is the dividing wall. That was added to separate Jews and Gentiles, but God didn't say to do that. He said there was one law for the native born and the alien.. Granted Israel was under foreign occupiers so they could not fully live out Torah in the Second Temple as God had perscribed, plus there was corruption.
I won't speak of "Christianity" but I will speak of Yeshua who was an observant Jew besides being the Messiah, the Word become flesh, said that the traditions of the religious rulers were annuling Torah.. He was very critical of their interpretations and gave superior interpretations while certainly not
doing away with Torah. In some instances His teaches even resembled that of the famous Pharisee Hillel..
I am a Jew, so this is not an anti-semitic remark, but sometimes "we Jews" portray the history of the Jews and of Israel as a group of people that always did exactly what God said, understood all of His prophets, etc. Scripture shows us otherwise. Now we can learn from the mistakes of our stiff-necked forefathers, but I submit to you we are still stiff-necked.
If the Jews, who are the visible remnant of the whole House of Israel did all we were supposed to this point, we would not still be in exile ( the galut), the Temple would be standing, we would be in full possession of our Land, etc. but the truth is even we Jews know we need Messiah to help us because we NEVER got it right..
God sent us Moses, Judges, Prophets, Kings and finally He came Himself and our leaders corporately rejected Him.
I don't believe that Yeshua or Paul started a new religion. I believe they both correctly interpreted Torah, and now they are largely misinterpreted by others who have stripped their words of the Hebraic origins.
You said one thing that I absolutely agree with, which is that the English bible translations are lousy. Translation is an art, but with a hebraic understanding the texts do take on different meaning. I think when the early believers in Yeshua in the 2nd and 3rd centuries cut themselves from their Hebrew roots, a lot of this change in interpretation came in. There was a lot of influence from hellenistic thinking and this has been carried through for centuries and influenced people's understanding of the texts, including the translators.
There are translators that work in foreign countries and they work off the Engish texts that are already very removed from the original meanings. This is a shame.
There are some groups who have done a lot to rectify this. One is a group of Christian and Jewish scholars in Israel who work together. This has raised new issues which scholars have had to rethink.
Joyce
Those who claim to be following the Jewish religion...when did you stop following the rules regarding stoning adulterers and rebellious children? What about those who though Schneerson would return from the dead? Literature based on the Talmudic Jews in Poland where their own form of witchcraft was practiced and Rabbis were the practitioners? As for so many Bibles...what about all those varieties of Judaism? Some make up rules about clothing and hair-dos and sex rules. Some promote acceptance of homosexuality. They're all doing their own things and being Humanists.
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ReplyDeleteTo the best of my present recollection, Seventh Day Adventists are not into "the feasts." They do observe the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter were recognized, as I recall it.
Constance
Please check my email? Please give me some clue words to check it for so I can single out what I am supposed to look for. Thanks!
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Constance,
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UN link
No thank you Joyce. I will learn about Judaism from rabbis and Jewish teachers. You're not a Jew nor a teacher of Judaism. You may sound like one to people who are Christian and who nothing about Judaism, but they listen to you at the risk of getting false information. I usually read about the first two sentences of your self-serving comments and skip the rest as you are just repetitive.
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ReplyDeleteIf you want to learn about Judaism, study Judaism. I didn't learn about Christianity by reading all of the books that slam Christianity while pushing their own belief systems. I trusted the Christian establishment wasn't about all of promoting those cockamamie things said about the believers.
Dorothy
"Far More" is another internet name for "Farmer" / Bjorn. I found it on his Blue God Star site. I clicked the link for full profile and there it was.
ReplyDeleteConstance
Constance, I too have e-mailed you. Let me know if you recieved the file and explanation. No need to respond to the e-mail if you are busy, just wanted to know if you were able to get the file. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteIs the anti-christ truly stepping down? Here's yet another article in regards to Javier Solana's retirement:
ReplyDeletehttp://tinyurl.com/nb483d
Yeah Yeah when your getting picked on pick on a Pole. Anything to feel better about yourself hey?
ReplyDeleteHe guys, I have folks asking me about the One Campaign and as to it not being a good thing and being footsteps for the new spirituality that comes with the antichrist or ushers in the antichrist. There was a response my reaction that Charlie Peacock (and subsequently 3rd day and Michael W. Smith) are involved in the One Campaign.
ReplyDeleteSo I need links sent to me at peacebringer.net or you can post information/evidence on the forum post here: http://www.peacebringer.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1836
You do not have to be a member to post, guest posts are moderated. Give me a heads up though. Thanks in advance. I know there are links around here but really don't want to go digging around for them.
Thanks in advance
As to Javier, not going to speculate on whether he is the antichrist. He is certainly helping pave the way, whether he is or not. Perhaps he is stepping down for the rise of another. Perhaps other things are going on. Clearly Javier is a player. There is something underneath his move here clearly. But this simply will be step to manifest in another direction.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if Javier is stepping down. He's threatened it before and did not. Time will tell.
ReplyDeletePeacebringer--
ReplyDeleteI will have to go to your site later. If my memory serves I believe "The One" campaign was started by Rick Warren. That itself makes me highly on guard. Let me just tell you EVERYBODY (well a lot of high profile Christians) are getting involved in this.
We support Larry Jones of Feed The Children. We got his most recent book because of our support. The book was filled with a specific phrase about how things happened because of "just one person"-- that may not be exactly right but I will have to check my notes.
The book had a forward by Rick Warren, it all happened about the time of his "launch" of his new campaign.
I think it is definitely something to keep your eye on!!
ON Javier--
ReplyDeleteWhich position is that he is retiring from? Will he still hold other positions? Maybe he want that job that he recommended that other Spanish guy for.
Dawn, actually Bob Geldoff and Bono were the main ones behind. Bono gave a "sermon" before Coe's national prayer breakfast in 2006.
ReplyDeleteI have been silently reading this ecumenical blog wondering why no one else has spotted Constance's sly attempts at merging all peoples to a "united cause" there by bringing them together, ala we are the world lets co exist like my cat and dog...
ReplyDeleteConstance is the double agent... why she chose to out her co conspirator worker of gematria bjorn is anyone's guess, imho i believe Constance let slip too much her true intentions with her remark about islam and christianity being on equal terms with her, only the islamists just misinterpreted the koran wrong, really showed her hand...
and btw...im sick of reading the geriatric teen beat magazine this blog is, Conny... Havier is not dating you so get over it, he is not the antichrist, stop misleading ppl to help you stalk him...
Sounds like redcake from Israel Forum has come over to play bogeyman.
ReplyDeleteDorothy
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4
ReplyDeleteAn Alarming Video Every Westerner Should See
and dorothy... im a NEW TROLL~!!!
buahahahahahahahaha
idiot~!
We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.
ReplyDeleteWE PARTY HARD
AND REMEMBER WE ARE FROM EBAUMS WORLD
WHO WAS THE LYING COWARD WHO ANONYMOUSLY PUT THIS ONE UP?
ReplyDeleteI have been silently reading this ecumenical blog wondering why no one else has spotted Constance's sly attempts at merging all peoples to a "united cause" there by bringing them together, ala we are the world lets co exist like my cat and dog...
Constance is the double agent... why she chose to out her co conspirator worker of gematria bjorn is anyone's guess, imho i believe Constance let slip too much her true intentions with her remark about islam and christianity being on equal terms with her, only the islamists just misinterpreted the koran wrong, really showed her hand...
and btw...im sick of reading the geriatric teen beat magazine this blog is, Conny... Havier is not dating you so get over it, he is not the antichrist, stop misleading ppl to help you stalk him...
8:30 PM
Constance
Rich Peterson and I were doing some internet exploration of Bjorn. It appears that he has been extremely prominent in European continuing adult education, globalization, and Europeanisation efforts.
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Wow - It appears that a taunting demon made its way onto your site.
ReplyDeleteTruth has a way of angering the opposition. If you are not for God you are against Him.
It reminds me of when Jesus called out the demons from the boy and sent them into the pigs and they ran over a cliff.
Constance - I pray in the name of Jesus that you and your bloggers are covered by the protection of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
ReplyDeleteNetanyahu's party is getting mad at him for giving in to demands of US, EU, etc;
ReplyDeletehttp://tiny.cc/mLORU
He did give up Hebron after all, the burial place of Abraham and Sarah, ( according to tradition, all the Patriarchs and their wives except Rachel) so he may be more of a pragmatist than a Zionist. Time will tell.. If his government falls apart, they'll be back to the drawing board.. Israeli politics is interesting.
For those who think Bibi won't compromise Land for "peace.". Here's his record:
http://www.meforum.org/blog/obama-mideast-monitor/2009/04/bibis-record-on-land-for-peace
http://tiny.cc/AC4Bl
While he will probably give tougher conditions than Livni would have, I'm not sure he's going to stand firm. As I said earlier, Sharon surprised everyone when he gave up Gaza in spite of his party's opposition.
Joyce
Dorothy,
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I'm not trying to teach you about Judaism but you made a serious error trying to compare Torah which was written down by Moses and what is called "oral Torah" which was hundreds of years after Yeshua.
I want to make sure the readers on the blog understood some of the history behind what you were saying and where it comes from.
In Deuteronomy we see clear instruction that Torah was written.
Deut. 17:18-20“Now it shall come about when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself a copy of this law on a scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests. “It shall be with him and he shall read it aall the days of his life, that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, by carefully observing all the words of this law and these statutes, that his heart may not be lifted up above his countrymen aand that he may not turn aside from the commandment, to the right or the left, so that he and his sons may continue long in his kingdom in the midst of Israel.
How would Torah say to write down the words of "this scroll" if the scroll was not already written. I'm speaking only of the first 5 books of the Bible now.
Only the very most liberal theologians believe that Moses did not write down most of Torah, but most of those same theologians don't believe the Bible is 100% true. Since Moses received Torah on Mt. Sinai from God, it wasn't oral transmission. Torah, the first five books of the Bible, were primarily written down by Moses.
For those on the blog who are interested, liberal theologians try to say Torah was written down in exile in Babylon. Moses left Egypt roughly 1500 years before Yeshua, and Babylon was roughly 500 years before Yeshua. That would mean that for 1000 years these stories were transmitted orally.
We cannot say with any degree of accuracy that the "oral Torah" was given to Moses in the form that it exists today, although I don't doubt that God said more to Moses than only what is contained in the first 5 books of the Bible, but to say it was accurately transmitted orally 1700 years later would be pretty hard to substantiate. Moses wrote down what God told him to.
The other point is Moses did not write it down, and no one wrote it down until well after Yeshua was dead and Christianity had come into being, so I am more inclined to think that this was a response to the development of Christianity.
The greatest rabbi who ever lived, Yeshua, had this to say about Torah:
John 5:46 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
He criticized the traditions of the religious leaders for invalidating Moses with their "tradtions" :
Mark 7:10-13 “For Moses said, ‘aHONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER’; and, ‘bHE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO 1BE PUT TO DEATH’;but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
He said this wasn't the only thing that they did with their "handed down traditions" so...
Yeshua had plenty of complaints with the practices of Second Temple Judaism, particularly the religious leaders of the day who were corrupt.. Of course they didn't care for Him too much either because He called them on their errors, and wanted to shut Him up. He knew what they were up to:
Matt. 20:18-19 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man awill be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death,and awill hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.”
Joyce
As I said Joyce, if anyone wants to learn about Judaism, they should be talking to Len and not to you. You belong to a religious group that is in opposition to Judaism. Because you are very verbose and love to post long blogs, it doesn't mean you are presenting accurate information. Others should know that. I have no intention of discussing anything with you because you are a person who refuses to listen to nothing but your own voice. Your path leads to major antisemitism. I can only hope your father and mother will never have to suffer as a result of your dangerous activities. If they aren't ashamed of you, they should be.
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I should have been clearer Joyce. Almost since you started you have listened to no voice except your own. That's a cult leader position if ever there was one.
ReplyDeleteDorothy
Wow what a mess. I have not visited this blog in a month and to see all this confusion and negative stuff is sad. I hope this all gets sorted out and the blog can be at peace. Pray for each other and for the blog to be blessed and be a true instrument in the Lord's hand for truth.
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I respectfully ask for the cross-sniping between Dorothy and Joyce to stop. Express differences of opinions, but no personal insults. The difference between what happens here and what Farmer did is that Farmer had at least two faces -- the anti-New Age face and the very pro-New Age face. If somebody has an opinion, express it and we'll discuss it.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly enough, I had to spend the night at my office. I noted the threat "We are legion" which indeed sounds like a taunting demon and his human helper minions. I did not get away from my office until nearly 1 a.m. I went to my car and it appears my car which is parked inside my office building may have been tampered with -- the alternator light came on and the car did not steer properly. All was fine when I came in yesterday, maintenance is current, and the car was not moved during the day, at least to my knowledge. I moved the car enough to see if there was any leakage of any vital fluids underneath. There were no signs of leakage.
PRAY FOR ME!
Constance
Dear Concerned Blogger:
ReplyDeleteSIGNS OF THE TIMES!
Constance
Then Constance, we need to see a barrage of "opinions" on the Messianic Jewish community. There is plenty out there. We need to start a discussion on its' dangers and the people involved. I've avoided that out of respect to the Christian community.
ReplyDeleteWhen we have posted information on that topic, Joyce has just ignored what we've written. Daily she posts disinformation on Judaism.
You call it opinion. I call it lies. She's been corrected enough by an expert on Judaism to know that what she says are lies.
Catholics have caught her in outright lies about Catholicism.
Opinions began with "I think..." Joyce's style is presented as "This is how it is."
Expect long posts on Messianic Judaism and its followers.
Dorothy
Dorothy
Concerned bloggger...if you want to see harmony, happiness and joy, rent several Disney movies.
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I thought dorothy was taking her following to rich's blog. her words are harsh and cruel and unbecoming to this blog.
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ReplyDeleteGo to your local church to find those who would join you in common thought. It's a fight against the New Age movement and those who are its proponents but are not always recognized as such, even by the most knowledgeable, much less dabblers in the fight.
Dorothy
once again dorothy, you need to learn how debate in the arena of ideas and truth without such hateful rhetoric, it becomes a distraction and diversion from the
ReplyDeletevery serious topics at hand.
To Anon 9:51
ReplyDeleteThis type of "criticism," against anyone, brings down the quality of this blog (to put it diplomatically).
Could you provide some examples where Dorothy has failed to " debate in the arena of ideas and truth without such hateful rhetoric"?
I don't agree with everything Dorothy writes, but I cannot fault her capacity for critical argument. If you are going to do so, you should at least support your case with examples.
Furthermore, you should apply those standards consistently to all posters at this blog, not just ones whose opinions you happen to disagree with.
Constance, I want to personally thank you for exposing the truth concerning Farmer.
ReplyDeleteAlthough we shouldn't judge, we as Christians are expected, and should bring to light; the evil, and ever so deceptive ways of the world - and man for that matter.
A man can't serve two Masters.
Again, thank you.
again would appreciate some further information on the One Campaign from those that have looked into it further. Please don't bite the bite of the enemy, stop the sniping and get on to serious matters. A response I got to comments about "the One campaign" were 2 fold. One was "end times over-reaction" and the other was "well if the church has been having impact it should organizations like this wouldn't exist." This is the mindset out there we face regarding what is going on. Folks prefer to be ignorant and have no concern over the webs of deception that embroil the likes of Charlie Peacock, 3rd Day, Michael W. SMith and others. Post stuff here for all I care but would really like some of the more sound research on this folks. TIA.
ReplyDeleteAnd note full well the increased "sniping" on the board with the exposure of Bjorn such to the point that we have a demonically inspired post. Constance take up the armor and pray through it daily. The rest of us need to pray for protection. Some of the rest can continue sniping and distracting from the matter at hand here.
ReplyDeleteAgain a starting point may be giving me research on the One campaign.
Concerning my car: broken belt and the "gear" whatever that provides the tension was deteriorating. About a $350 repair bill all told. Considering that cash flow has been nil last few weeks, hard pill to swallow, but I am thankful it wasn't much worse!
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I should think the New Agers would enjoy nothing more than the Dorothy - Joyce squabbles on this board. I agree with Constance and anonymous -- all should disagree agreeably. Not compromise doctrine but to remember the old Christian axiom of "charity."
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the defense.
How easy it is for the uninformed to support the rhetoric of the New Age community, in this case the Alliance of Civilization.
I have just been accused of hate speech. I have been accused of wanting Joyce banned which was never true. I have never asked that her writings supporting Messianic Judaism be banned. I have never asked that her writings on Catholicism be banned.
What I have attempted to point out is that her judgments of Judaism and Catholicism are not objective. They are subjective based on her own religious beliefs in a religion called Messianic Judaism which views Judaism and Catholicism as untrue and harmful. Yet because of the lack of knowledge on this website about Judaism, her views receive almost no challenge from others. It's almost an open field for attacks on Judaism and Catholicism.
Not once has the moderator told Joyce that since her information has been challenged so often that perhaps she needs to spell out in great detail where she is coming from, what is Messianic Judaism, who are the organizations that support it, how old is the movement, who heads the various parts of the networks, where the money is coming from, and exactly what her role in the movement is. She needs to explain how the missionary system works, what is the percentage of Christians in the movement and the percentage of Jews.
Instead Joyce is allowed to remain secretive about herself and the belief system she supports. We do not even know if Joyce is her real name. She has been encouraged to dominate this website until by volume it has become the Joyce Anonymous website with some commentary by Constance Cumbey, with information about the New Age movement taking a far behind second place.
Back in July of 2008 Bjorn Freiberg exposed the the Cult of Heinrich Elijahu Benedikt, which needed exposing. Since then Joyce has been riding that horse, almost a full year now. Why? Because of the Jewish connection. This in spite of numerous infiltrations of the New Age movement into Christianity which she could also be exposing.
Today at Atlas Shrugs we learn that Pamela Geller, a Jewish woman, was also tagged for hate speech under the kind of program that Michael Savage was tagged for in Britain.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
It's not official, just another blogger from Europe, but read the charges.
The same kind of silencing could happen on this website even while we are supposed to be fighting it. In September the Alliance of Civilzation plans to decide how to put into effect their ban on free speech. It is my belief that Savage and maybe Geller are test cases. See Rich's website for more details on the AOC plans.
Dorothy
Constance I believe nothing without reading it for myself. And I am appalled but not surprised by what I read in Farmer's blog. Does not scripture warn us of the enemy hiding among us in sheep's clothing? Truth is truth and I thank YHVH you had the strength to call a spade a spade.
ReplyDeleteMy friend and I are praying for your protection against the enemy. We ask YHVH to take what the enemy may have to do you harm and use it for your good in the name of Yahushua. Take care and be blessed.
Dorothy,
ReplyDeleteYour obsession with Joyce is rather annoying. No one accused you of "hate speech" I think someone accused you of hateful rhetoric. We all know you don't like Joyce and what she stands for, which is that Yeshua is messiah. Since I started following this Blog dorothy, most of your posts have been about one thing, joyce and her comments. I would much rather read from you things that are helpful related to the New Age movement. Instead, dissession is stirred up hear with the back and forth between you and Joyce driving others away. Distracting from important things, such as the request for information on the One campaign. You have any thoughts or research on that Dorothy, do you have a way you can help, or do you just want to complain about Joyce and fill this up with a lot of noise.
Peacebringer
ReplyDeleteYou certainly aren't doing that. I've have been posting regularly on this blog since it started. Why don't you try going back to the years before Joyce came on the scene, which was in February 2008 to see what information I've shared.
Why don't you ask Joyce to share the information requested about the Messianic movement and herself.
There is very little point in sharing information on the New Age movement now because it gets swamped in Joyce's voluminous posts.
I think that is one of the reasons she chose this place to post.
Dorothy
i was born in wayne county general hospital in detroit michigan...
ReplyDeletemy relatives are staunchly catholic
the Jew hating in that area is insane
i received a beating for being caught playing with Jewish children, and was never told why i was ordered to never play with them again...
constance is a vatican gatekeeper, much like alex jones...
her bjorn expose is a prime example of her trolling you her fellow bloggers...
so i decided to troll her back...
it was funny reading how she freaked out about her car and blamed it on me... epic lulz seriously epic lulz
but telling the truth of what she is doing i do not repent of ...
i will never repent of telling the truth ...
constances job as lawyer lends her to obfuscation of facts to "win" a case, a lawyer should never be trusted ...
and you ppl who are not so lost to the truth need to see her for the drama queen and control freak she is
you need to let God and the Bible lead you and not some woman, prone to lies and deceptions and of course hysteria...
peacebringer--
ReplyDeletewill be posting to your forum soon
Anonymous 1:29 pm
ReplyDeleteI think you're exaggerating. I'm Jewish and have been friends with Constance since 1982. If it wasn't for her, no Jews would know of the New Age movement and its antisemitism. She has taken the information to Wiesenthal, Bnai Brith, the ADL, and many Jewish individuals. I know the Jewish community, and feel they just are unable to see past the liberal agenda enough to condemn the New Age movement with its liberal ties. Those liberal Jews who have heard of the NA movement and do nothing are just as responsible for the future as Christians who do the same. It was only when I contacted the Orthodox community that progress was made.
You might be old. I have many Catholic friends and family members, and since the '60s there has been no antisemitism. Back in the 40s and 50s there was antisemitism across all communities with quotas and exclusions from organizations for Jews. Probably as a result of the growth of the New Age movement prior to WWII. In addition it was a shame to move outside one's ethnic community in those earlier years, and there was much name calling of other groups. I'm old. I know of these things.
I see the antisemitism in the Christian missionary community who feel they have to convert every body to their beliefs or die trying.
Constance isn't perfect. She has her weaknesses as do all of us. She, however, is about as straight arrow as human beings can get. Your comments are a joke to those who actually have known her for the years we have.
Take your nasty little comments and waddle off.
Dorothy
anom 1:29
ReplyDeleteSorry Constance has stood the test of time. She has been marginalized for years but her truth stands. I've been following her work for over 25 years and the trends she said were coming came.
rc
dorothy the queen of sniping
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how do we know you and many other accounts made here are not constances sock puppets?
we do not...
a sock puppet is an account made up to boost the original blogger...
chris crocker has 2000 sock pupets...
and about constance's claim she has ways of finding things on the internet ... laughable at best..
as she has no idea who anonymous and their war against scientology is ... lol
as for you please feel free to hunt me down and burn me at the stake, cause you stable mable called me a demon ...
do i smell witch hunt...
i give you 2 kudos
please start the inquisition again
lol ... waddle off... a fat joke
it might have impact if i was fat like you?
I have been catching snippets of MJ funeral. If one person refers to him as "the King" one more time, I may throw up.
ReplyDeleteToo Late.
He was not a savior, not a god but a person.
Resolution 600 is being introduced into the house to honor him.
well i am going now...
ReplyDeleteits been real fun ... a boatload of epic lulz...
my work here done i leave you who are still into denial to feel free to snipe your selves to death...
Dorothy, I come here more for information. God has other callings on my life other then to dig into new age movement, but I need to be aware. Again, nice to know that you have done serious work. Fact is you have let this obsession with Joyce detract from it. People can read or ignore. Joyce has good stuff and stuff that is noise.
ReplyDeleteI urge you Dorothy to stop your obsessive anti-joyce diatribes and get back to what ever you were doing before joyce. You have let anger overcome you.
Peacebringer
ReplyDeleteYou wrote:
Again, nice to know that you have done serious work. Fact is you have let this obsession with Joyce detract from it.
We all have other callings. We make time for the important ones. I still do much research. Where can I post it? Over here it is swamped. Rich doesn't add information often enough for people to regularly read his blog.
All newcomers here need to be told about Joyce's lack of credentials when posting about Judaism and Catholicism. I won't let up on that issue.
To Peacebringer:
ReplyDeleteYou state that "We all know you don't like Joyce and what she stands for, which is that Yeshua is messiah."
Who do you include in "we"? You certainly don't include me.
There are many people who read this blog who believe "Jesus is the messiah" but do not believe Joyce stands for this belief.
Whatever her personal beliefs about Jesus, her actions in distoring Judaism and Catholicism consistently undermine the credibility of such a claim.
This is very sad since she does have a lot of knowledge (including much erroneous knowledge).
If you want the sniping to stop, speak out against Joyce's distortions of Judaism and Catholicism. This is the root cause of the sniping. It has nothing to do with confessing Jesus as Lord.
The solution to this problem lies with you. "If it is to be, it's up to me."
Purple Monster
PM,
ReplyDeleteSorry for using the generic we in terms of discussing the general readers of the board.
Lets say your and Dorothy's position on Joyce is 100% accurate. Would not the appropriate thing be to correct the distortion rather then engaging in ongoing sniping and accussations flying left and right. I have made comments before directed at Joyce.
Now here is the question? You label Joyce a threat or an enemy? What is the response from Scripture that we are to take toward enemies.
Fact is Joyce does have some useful tibbits of information not shared by others. I find it sad that her presence here has caused others to back away and I would question where is the focus.
For dorothy, from Torah what does it say about our interactions with one another. What are the examples with God dealing with people speaking things in truth but in such a way as to cut others down(evil speech)?
Dorothy, you complain of lacking to post your "research" or what God has called you to do. As I have told Joyce, nothing stopping you from your own blog and source of putting out information.
My ultimate question for any of us, is can we set aside our own emotions and attitudes and walk in service and surrender to God. Are we more upset over what we identify as threats by they Joyce, Len, Dorothy, Catholics and so on.
Recent events and the recent demonic postings give evidence that the enemy is not pleased with what goes on here. It is perfect, does Constance always do things the best way? Absolutely not.
One of the tactics of the enemy and a tactic of deception is to create dissession. Another is to create distractions. The more disstractions the better. Even information overload can be distracting. Personally I found Bjorn simply distracting.
So PM, Dorothy, Joyce I pray that the devouring and sniping stop. We each need to be walking in the way of YHVH and this sniping back and forth is not such.
And lastly, Dorothy and Len, I respect where you are, but I do pray when I am here that your eyes, ears, and heart open to the truth of Yesuh as Messiah. Myself, Joyce or anyone else cannot convince you, the Holy Spirit needs to do the work.
Now with all that said, get back to doing what God leads you to do and for those that are to look into these matters more deeply, do not let anything deter you from what YHVH sets before you!
Peacebringer, I've invested over three years toward the success of this blog. I invested many more years in working with Constance, deliberately making her the focus in our joint efforts because she was in a much better position to reach a larger audience with her research. When I see someone sabotaging those efforts, I will speak out.
ReplyDeleteI have no intention of being shoved out of the way.
If you saw someone regularly distorting information about your parent or child to everyone, would you speak out or would you just say "Oh, that's OK. It's just their opinion." If every Jew thought that way about Judaism, there would be no fight against antisemitism, and it would continue to grow. That's the way of evil.
Thank heavens that that's not the way of those who expose the New Age movement. Most people, Jews and Christians, have said to me something like "Oh why bother to fight it. It's just their opinion. I don't think that way."
Jews have their own beliefs about the end of days when all will honor God. You pray for me if you wish and I'll pray that you come back to the parent religion for a deeper understanding of the spiritual world. I hope you aren't offended by that suggestion.
Dorothy
Both excellent:
ReplyDeleteJews have their own beliefs about the end of days when all will honor God. You pray for me if you wish and I'll pray that you come back to the parent religion for a deeper understanding of the spiritual world. I hope you aren't offended by that suggestion.
My ultimate question for any of us, is can we set aside our own emotions and attitudes and walk in service and surrender to God.
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DouginMI
I am truly saddened by this.
ReplyDeleteLeana
Forget that book on Solana. You gotta write about the many endless bickerings between Joyce and Dorothy. What drama! Sure to be #1 best-seller!
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Constance,
ReplyDeleteYou said:
"Rich Peterson and I were doing some internet exploration of Bjorn. It appears that he has been extremely prominent in European continuing adult education, globalization, and Europeanisation efforts."
Those allegations and the inferences behind them are very serious, Constance. I think it's only fair to those of us who care about Bjorn and his family and are praying for them, that we know the extent of his duplicity. Can you please share those Internet links that led to the above statements?
In light of what you have inferred above, you lead me to believe that he has worked as a double agent with a globalist agenda all this time that we thought of him as a brother and friend in Christ, and as someone providing information that we believed AS VALID because of the source.
Please do not make remarks like that unless you back them up with links. As a lawyer you provide evidence to prove guilt- I hope you'll do more than just provide a cached version of his new blog that demonstrates that he was indeed horribly confused, deceived and under demonic attack, but NOT that he is some sort of subversive.
I can understand how Bjorn could have gotten himself enmeshed in the occult again, in light of the kind of heavy research he was doing. I in fact, warned of that myself when I used to blog here over 6 months ago and it is the reason I stopped doing that kind of research myself and why I no longer have any desire to participate in blogs like this that actually encourage investigation into things that can open doors to dangerous areas. I can also understand a man like that being targeted by satanists, in light of the work he had been doing. Throwing a sensual woman in his face for temptation would not be the first time that the devil succeeded in bringing a good man to a place of shame, as in David. (Len, I read what you said and respectfully disagree with you.) Jesus forgave Mary Magdalene and all of us here can be reminded that he who is without sin should cast the first stone. What I need to know- before I can continue to pray for healing in this sad affair is whether your double agent allegations are correct, not in terms of his preoccupation with the occult, which is obvious, but in terms of whether or not he was actually promoting a Laslo-like globalist agenda, which is far more serious in terms of deception . In order for me to believe that, I would need to see and read the evidence myself. I have read Bjorn's thesis on line. Yes, he was into adult education and philosophy, but you are inferring much more than that above.
I do hope that you'll provide evidence over and above vague words, so that those of us praying for Bjorn and his family can place our petitions before the Lord with Thanksgiving, and know that the Lord can certainly work a miracle of healing in Bjorn's life. The man is obviously in pain- the sin causes the pain and we do not need to increase the pain and the shame with condemnation.
"Finally brothers. whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things." Philippians 4
Far too much negativity here at a time when people need to lift up the downtrodden, the lost and the prodigals- that's what Jesus did with Mary Magdalene and all the other sinners. Hope we can do the same, since Jesus set the example we are to follow.
White Guy, there is no bickering between Joyce and me. Joyce ignores what anyone says and just assumes there is a lectern in front of her. She actually posted that she doesn't have time to read what others have written and sometimes doesn't even have time to read what she posts.
ReplyDeleteI try to respond to what others write and have done so before and after Joyce.
The definition of bicker:
bickering - a quarrel about petty points.
I don't consider someone posting inaccurate information about Judaism a petty point.
Dorothy
I was not born in Detroit, but I have lived there for the past 44 years. Detroit is not an anti-Semitic city. One of our United States Senators, Carl Levin (a personal friend of mine for many years -- since he was elected to the Detroit City Council in the 1970s) is decidedly Jewish. Jack Faxon who gave me my first political job was Jewish. I don't know what type of sick agenda the anonymous poster has in mind, but I'm thrilled it's God judging me and not him/her, whatever. I took on the New Age Movement originally standing virtually alone in early 1981. I had a promising political and legal career which I back burnered to get the pressing facts out on the New Age Movement.
ReplyDeleteI wonder where Eric Jon Phelps, Texe Marrs, Derek Evenson are and what they are doing. I am smelling them or their ilk in the background.
BTW, all that was wrong with my car was a broken serpentine belt and the tnension mechanism for it. It was about a $329.00 repair. Tough blow this week, but much better than replacing a car.
To the vicious anonymous 7:37
ReplyDeleteRich Peterson, Dorothy, and I were going through the research last night and exploring the links. Why don't you go to his blogspot. I had a nearly sleepless night stranded in my office and two very busy days. I am going to bed. Evidently, the very visible Satanism didn't bother you. The globalism is small potatoes next to that. I sense a lot of angry hatred in you. What is your agenda?
Constance
Excuse me, that was anonymous 7:32, not 7:37
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I said I wouldn't comment until Constance shared what was found by her and Rich. It is her call. I added a little.
ReplyDeleteThe material is available in the foreign language part of the Google search ability. Do your search not only in English, but in all languages. Put his name in and then search.
Not all of the answers are in yet, but there are a lot of links to go through.
Dorothy
Just the facts!
ReplyDelete“Can two walk together unless they agree?”
Constance says: “Carl Levin (a personal friend of mine for many years”
The following represents just a few of what Carl Levin believes.
HATE CRIMES
In September 2007, the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 passed the Senate as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act.
Senator Levin has long been a supporter of this legislation. The legislation will, for the first time, expand the definition of a hate crime to include gender, gender identity, disability and sexual orientation. It gives the Justice Department jurisdiction over crimes of violence committed because of a person's actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, or disability whereas existing law only covers race, color, religion, or national origin-based hate crimes, where the victim was engaging in one of six �federally protected activities.
On December 18, 2001, the Senate approved the first major overhaul of the nation's education policy since 1994 as it voted overwhelmingly to use federal aid to leverage improvements in academic achievement. This bill, the No Child Left Behind Act, was signed into law on January 8, 2002.
(P)romote environmentally friendly, renewable energy sources. Senator Levin has fought for legislation that supports these goals, including federal research and development programs on advanced technology and tax incentives for advanced technology vehicles, such as hybrid, clean diesel and fuel cell vehicles. Additionally, Senator Levin conducted investigations into gasoline price spikes and crude oil prices to determine the causes of sudden price spikes in these markets.
He spports environmnetally friendly exploration of oil, but this is just code for none to nearly none.
While people of good will often have difficulty finding common ground on the issue of reproductive rights, Senator Levin respects the deeply held beliefs of those on both sides of the debate.
In other words he supports abortion.
Levin speaks with a forked tongue and is highly partisian; has anyone heard him defend Israel agaist the insane attitude of Obama toward Israel?
Where does Senator Levin stand on the DHS attributing “terrorist” status to pro-lifers and veterans?
“(We) to actively reach out to involve the world community through NATO and the United Nations in the peacekeeping operations and reconstruction in Iraq.”
Who rules and runs NATO, and who rules the UN?
NATO is widely considered to be the most successful collective defense organization in history. NATO is currently leading peacekeeping operations in the Balkans and Afghanistan.