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I'm very glad you think so. That ...Anon@3.48pm<br /><br />I'm very glad you think so. That freedom was not available in the Middle Ages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-36146314635116773122010-11-21T05:16:36.083-05:002010-11-21T05:16:36.083-05:00* Why does Rome not take steps to remind its '...* Why does Rome not take steps to remind its 'laity' that they are priests?<br /><br />"This is in the Catechism. It's up to local Bishops and priests to teach it. If they don't, you can't blame Rome."<br /><br />It's fairly clear that "Rome" was intended to refer to the Roman Catholic church generally. But actually you can blame the hierarchy in Rome, for their task is to provide oversight of their church worldwide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-38293934617638317862010-11-20T15:48:52.290-05:002010-11-20T15:48:52.290-05:00Anon@3:34 p.m.
Fair enough, if people want to rea...Anon@3:34 p.m.<br /><br />Fair enough, if people want to read things through their own worldview and lens. That's left to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-58988702229352892782010-11-20T15:34:56.047-05:002010-11-20T15:34:56.047-05:00To Anon@3.32pm
I'm content to let Constance&#...To Anon@3.32pm<br /><br />I'm content to let Constance's readers decide for themselves from our exchange.<br /><br />Anon@2.47pmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-62237472220708792782010-11-20T15:32:50.548-05:002010-11-20T15:32:50.548-05:00Why does the rite of ordination not specify that t...Why does the rite of ordination not specify that the candidate is passing from one category of priesthood to another, and instead use words that suggests he is not a priest before?<br /><br />You still don't get it. It's called the sacrament of Holy Orders hence the word ordained.<br /><br />* Why does Rome not take steps to remind its 'laity' that they are priests?<br /><br />This is in the Catechism. It's up to local Bishops and priests to teach it. If they don't, you can't blame Rome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-39614878501101469652010-11-20T14:47:45.891-05:002010-11-20T14:47:45.891-05:00Anon@1.18pm,
I believe I understand the situation...Anon@1.18pm,<br /><br />I believe I understand the situation, although we might disagree about certain matters. Rome certainly acknowledges the universal priesthood of believers (in line with eg Rev 1:6) in its Catechism, as well as its ordained priesthood. What I am saying is that Rome does not live by its own catechism. Here is why:<br /><br />1. The Roman rite of ordination states simply that the candidate is "ordained [as a] priest". Had it said "ordained as a priest in Holy Orders", that would be different. But it does not. The obvious implication is that the candidate is not regarded as a priest before.<br /><br />2. If you ask a pew Catholic whether he is a priest, he does not reply "Yes - but not an ordained one". He says "No". It is inconceivable that Rome is unaware of this fact, yet no steps are taken to remedy it. If pew Catholics made mistakes about the sacraments, a remedial would quickly be read out from Catholic pulpits.<br /><br />You seem determined to misunderstand me, so here are some specific questions:<br /><br />* Why does the rite of ordination not specify that the candidate is passing from one category of priesthood to another, and instead use words that suggests he is not a priest before?<br /><br />* Why does Rome not take steps to remind its 'laity' that they are priests?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-11494756549254697832010-11-20T13:18:24.066-05:002010-11-20T13:18:24.066-05:00"Let me clarify that when the Catholic rite o..."Let me clarify that when the Catholic rite of of ordination uses the words "ordained priest" it is using the word "ordain" as a verb, not a noun. So the clear implication is that the candidate was not a priest beforehand."<br /><br />I have explained where the word ordained comes from. It is used because the sacrament of <b>Holy Orders</b> is when one is admitted into the ministerial priesthood. Please try and understand.<br /><br />There is a distinction between the common priesthood in Christ and the ministerial priesthood in Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-83230471405666129422010-11-20T07:36:59.612-05:002010-11-20T07:36:59.612-05:00anon@11:56 AM
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"Its ceremony of ordination d...Anon@6:38 p.m.<br /><br />"Its ceremony of ordination declares that somebody is "ordained [as a] priest","<br /><br />Yes, the ministerial priesthood, which is also called Holy Orders. Hence, the word ordained.<br /><br />"The Catholic church makes no move to educate them into their priesthood; why not?"<br /><br />I think that depends on what church they go to. It also depends on whether parents instruct children in the faith or no. Do they take Catechism classes etc.<br /><br /><br />We hold that there is BOTH a Ministerial and a Universal priesthood of believers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-18691545414471936602010-11-19T18:38:50.910-05:002010-11-19T18:38:50.910-05:00Anon@5.25pm,
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I *quoted* the word 'ordination&...Anon@5.17pm,<br /><br />I *quoted* the word 'ordination'. Where Catholic bibles use the word the literal Greek is simply 'appoint'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-23890583560763092322010-11-19T17:25:02.866-05:002010-11-19T17:25:02.866-05:00If your question is when are lay Catholics ordaine...If your question is when are lay Catholics ordained into the priesthood. It's at Baptism.<br /><br />THE BAPTISMAL PRIESTHOOD<br /><br />41. Those who have received the new birth in Christ, they have become members of the common priesthood. (C.C.C. # 1268) That is because through the gift of a new heart and spirit, they belong to God. They have become spiritual priests in the invisible kingdom of God on earth. As a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, [1 Pet. 2:9], they are called to participate in the religious services of the Church. Not only do they have a right to participate, but they are obligated in to do so in thanksgiving by their Baptism. (C.C.C. 114Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-55359774319533903522010-11-19T17:17:43.012-05:002010-11-19T17:17:43.012-05:00Anon@5:12 p.m.
You used the word ordained.
Ordi...Anon@5:12 p.m.<br /><br />You used the word ordained.<br /><br /> Ordinatio means incorporation into an ordo. In the Church there are established bodies which Tradition, not without a basis in Sacred Scripture,4 has since ancient times called taxeis (Greek) or ordines. And so the liturgy speaks of the ordo episcoporum, the ordo presbyterorum, the ordo diaconorum. Other groups also receive this name of ordo: catechumens, virgins, spouses, widows,. . . .<br /><br />1538 Integration into one of these bodies in the Church was accomplished by a rite called ordinatio, a religious and liturgical act which was a consecration, a blessing or a sacrament. Today the word "ordination" is reserved for the sacramental act which integrates a man into the order of bishops, presbyters, or deacons, and goes beyond a simple election, designation, delegation, or institution by the community, for it confers a gift of the Holy Spirit that permits the exercise of a "sacred power" (sacra potestas)5 which can come only from Christ himself through his Church. Ordination is also called consecratio, for it is a setting apart and an investiture by Christ himself for his Church. The laying on of hands by the bishop, with the consecratory prayer, constitutes the visible sign of this ordination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-41156970116196024702010-11-19T17:13:53.102-05:002010-11-19T17:13:53.102-05:00"The oral traditions of illiterate cultures a..."The oral traditions of illiterate cultures are vast - our minds can learn loads, as I indicate that actors do. They happen to learn it from scripts, but they could equally well pick it up verbally. This problem did not impair the faith."<br /><br />Yes, which means there was an oral tradition, also known as Apostolic tradition. How can scripture alone be the sole rule of faith then? Should it not be scripture and tradition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-15445258995655161242010-11-19T17:12:25.274-05:002010-11-19T17:12:25.274-05:00Anon@5.07pm,
You did not quote from the actual wo...Anon@5.07pm,<br /><br />You did not quote from the actual words used in the Catholic ceremony of ordination. I did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com