tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post1826588449169695739..comments2024-03-28T04:09:30.937-04:00Comments on My perspective -- What Constance thinks: DETROIT HAS FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY, NBC HINTS CHICAGO MAY FACE SIMILAR PERILOUS TIMESConstance Cumbeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comBlogger338125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-13315557191597576092013-08-13T12:59:06.379-04:002013-08-13T12:59:06.379-04:00Christine, I am presenting another view. Most imp...Christine, I am presenting another view. Most important is the commandment that a person shall not bear false witness. Second, a little learning is a dangerous thing.<br /><br />Everyone encounters gossip about some group or other regularly. Just think of what we might be surrounded by if nobody trusted anybody except people like themselves, if everyone believed the gossip they encountered. <br /><br />Masons, as a label doesn't bother me. Now if as individuals they behave in destructive ways as a result of their deliberate distortion of monotheism, well, that's something else. <br /><br />What I find most unacceptable in them as a group is their secrecy. It appears to me that secrecy is the soil that evil grows in. From pedophilia to humanism to the growth of the homosexual movement in history to Nazism, secrecy is the soil in which everything disasterous develops. Even the secrecy of CNP, CFR, and AA makes the world dangerous. The New Age movement is exceedingly secretive. <br /><br />After secrecy the next most dangerous thing to me is human mental laziness. <br /><br />This website is about the New Age movement. The movement is destroying our civilized world, yet people sit on their hands claiming how busy they are and how they have already come to the perfect state of being so nothing more need be done. <br /><br />Matthew 7:16 by their fruits you shall know them. I'm sure there is something equivalent in Judaism. God gave people brains and then told them what to do with their brains. Yet how very, very few bother to learn what the fruits are of all of these secretive movements. How very, very few can come up with two solid paragraphs of factual information showing the destruction being brought about by the New Age movement. <br /><br />So simple. Don't lie about individuals and groups. Keep learning. Avoid secretive movements. Know how to recognize the bad fruit of destructive movements. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-12761581019762100752013-08-13T05:02:05.411-04:002013-08-13T05:02:05.411-04:00there are people who are hesitant to attack Masonr...there are people who are hesitant to attack Masonry, and cautious about anti masons, because they think this can be a cover for antisemitism. <br /><br />But within masonic teachings, which granted may be ignored or not understood by most masons, are things that should make an observant Jew think twice.<br /><br />(Granted such situations have occurred, precisely because of the Old Testament focus in general, and Solomon's Temple in particular, of the Masonic rituals.)<br /><br />Masonry teaches that the proper name of God is "Jah-Bul-On." they also say that all gods are the same all paths lead the same direction.<br /><br />The former is blasphemy, the latter only true if you are addressing people of a Judaeo Christian background and in that context.<br /><br />Jah is the short form of Jehovah, or Yah as short form of Yahweh. Check your Bible, you will see this.<br /><br />Bul refers to baal, the Canaanite word for lord, as opposed to Adonai, the Hebrew word for lord. The baals were the main opponents of YHWH and their cults the main enemies and seducers of the children of Israel. <br /><br />On refers to the Egyptian city On, because that was the HQ of the worship of osiris.<br /><br />It is easy to disguise baal as bul, and less easy to disguise osiris, so the inventor(s) of all this crap referred to osiris' city instead of to him.<br /><br />So Jah-Bul-On is saying that Jah is the same as baal and the same as osiris, and all the pagan gods and the True God are just different names for and faces of the same thing.<br /><br />That should curl your hair. Christine Erikson (aka Justina)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11594093718714798117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-40568290086762775952013-08-12T17:00:28.362-04:002013-08-12T17:00:28.362-04:00"Obviously you are more concerned about label..."Obviously you are more concerned about labels than behavior anonymous."<br /><br />That's pretty good coming from someone who has impugned a man's integrity and not even found anybody online who agrees with your assertion, let alone given any reasons to back it up.<br /><br />"Obviously Buchman's behavior doesn't bother you."<br /><br />Wrong again. Some of it does, actually. But I decide what to believe about him AFTER I've got reliable facts about him, not before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-8132109402948725512013-08-12T16:51:08.187-04:002013-08-12T16:51:08.187-04:00Obviously you are more concerned about labels than...Obviously you are more concerned about labels than behavior anonymous. Obviously Buchman's behavior doesn't bother you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-32290187709432299772013-08-12T15:07:27.126-04:002013-08-12T15:07:27.126-04:00"Out of all of the misinformation in the medi..."Out of all of the misinformation in the media, all of the misinformation that appears on websites, you have chosen to make your stand here."<br /><br />As you said above, we are both Anon, so you have no idea what other blogs and websites I am involved with (I assure you that I am). But I am not ashamed of seeking to uphold standards here or anywhere else. In contrast I would be ashamed if I called someone a freemason - which I take to be a bad thing - but couldn't make it stick.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-51437133010443055822013-08-12T14:41:59.911-04:002013-08-12T14:41:59.911-04:00Yes, I'm sure you are so concerned about accur...Yes, I'm sure you are so concerned about accuracy regarding Buchman because you are a purist. Out of all of the misinformation in the media, all of the misinformation that appears on websites, you have chosen to make your stand here. Good for you. Keep holding your banner high. Keep hoping there will be an army behind you soon. You get my idealist medal for the month. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-55153424389784080722013-08-12T13:06:32.309-04:002013-08-12T13:06:32.309-04:00"So unlike your mentor Frank B"
Another..."So unlike your mentor Frank B"<br /><br />Another wild guess, and wrong. I have never been in any organisation founded by Buchman (nor am a relative), nor AA incidentally. Why do you find it so difficult to believe that I am in this discussion for the sake of accuracy?<br /><br />If you were a cub reporter on a newspaper you would have got a very stern lecture from a senior editor about the need for standards, before you got your employer sued. If you want to conjecture that Buchman was a freemason, fine - but say it is a conjecture, don't say it is fact unless you can back it up, which you have utterly failed to do. here's another piece of no doubt unwanted (but evidently much needed) advice: when you are in a hole, stop digging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-26893817600252705022013-08-12T12:48:49.050-04:002013-08-12T12:48:49.050-04:00So kind of you to be so understanding. So unlike ...So kind of you to be so understanding. So unlike your mentor Frank B. who accepted whatever one wanted to believe and think. That's your world. Why would I want to change you? You are a solo individual who has no impact anywhere. I'm not a Christian missionary into saving souls. If someone else is who reads here, I'm sure they will post. If no one does,you are on your own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-9834419299222794692013-08-12T11:18:03.255-04:002013-08-12T11:18:03.255-04:00"I've tried my best; it didn't convin..."I've tried my best; it didn't convince you, and so I must move on."<br /><br />OK. Forgive me for not being convinced by your failure to cite even a single website matching your allegation that Frank Buchman was a freemason, let alone saying why they thought so. Given that you can find a website saying just about anything out there, that was a real achievement as a personal best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-22748503981091861472013-08-12T10:39:30.448-04:002013-08-12T10:39:30.448-04:00"We agree that this would be a grave charge a..."We agree that this would be a grave charge against a Christian and interesting in view of Buchman's trajectory. " <br /><br />As I said, there are many Christians who are Masons. It doesn't seem to bother them. Why should it bother me. <br /><br />Kind of you to offer that I continue to do more research, but I've tried my best; it didn't convince you, and so I must move on. I thank you for this wonderful opportunity to prove myself to the world, but that's life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-58097932647755039602013-08-12T04:30:06.547-04:002013-08-12T04:30:06.547-04:00Dear 10.00pm, My interest is entirely in whether B...Dear 10.00pm, My interest is entirely in whether Buchman was a freemason. We agree that this would be a grave charge against a Christian and interesting in view of Buchman's trajectory. You wish to discuss what would constitute evidence, whereas I am content to leave philosophy to dictionaries and lawyers and get on with evaluating what you provide. Which has not been much, to date - not even one website suggesting that he was a freemason. Tell you what. Do a bit more hunting and then give us (Constance's readers) what YOU consider to be the best evidence for it, and why.<br /><br />Impugning a man's integrity with little basis is not a minor issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-36592368166777504462013-08-11T22:48:44.750-04:002013-08-11T22:48:44.750-04:00Marko, yes it would be very helpful, but until the...Marko, yes it would be very helpful, but until then we just have to go with the old fashioned way of checking things out. Unfortunately for the future of the US and other places, so few people really care what is going on. We can share what we know, they can ignore with simplistic replies. The crowd just stands by watching what others are doing, never taking sidesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-164983591805549102013-08-11T22:00:22.699-04:002013-08-11T22:00:22.699-04:00Anonymous 5:36
It appears you are unable to answer...Anonymous 5:36<br />It appears you are unable to answer the question and continue to play gotcha games. As you are anonymous, as I am, what's the point. Nothing either of us has to say is important in the long run. You don't care what I have to say and I don't care what you have to say. I've provided what I think is important information. You disregard it and continue with your beliefs. Your comments are limited to Nah Nah Nah. If any of this matter to those reading here, they would add their own comments. You haven't change my thinking and I haven't changed yours. No big deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-23921157621628747372013-08-11T19:41:36.589-04:002013-08-11T19:41:36.589-04:00there are Christians who are masons and don't ...there are Christians who are masons and don't see a conflict because they are blind and take the ooga booga stuff as a kind of joke or whatever and just like the social network brotherhood etc. The Bible is on the altar, right? There are lots of Bible references in the ritual, right?<br /><br />Buchman may have been one of these. I don't know. However, what is more important, is that masonry has made great inroads in this kind of dual membership I described above, among American Christians, incl. the Sourthern Baptist Convention, where the issue was raised many years ago. <br /><br />Seems there was too much mason money involved, and though the guy who tried to get masonic membership declared unacceptable for Baptists had a large following, it wasn't large enough and the motion to exclude masons was struck down.<br /><br />Christine Erikson (aka Justina)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11594093718714798117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-72828108132343241452013-08-11T17:36:59.753-04:002013-08-11T17:36:59.753-04:00Dear 5.03pm, if you want to play sophistry about t...Dear 5.03pm, if you want to play sophistry about the meaning of evidence then look up a legal textbook or go ask a lawyer. I reckon you understand the practical meaning of the word and are trying to divert form your inability to back up your allegation that Buchman was a freemason. It is absurd that the best you can do when asked for evidence is cite 5 websites none of which even asserts that Buchman was a freemason. And you say YOU are getting bored with playing intellectual gotcha games? I trust Constance's readers to see what is going on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-68829528068872371992013-08-11T17:03:34.857-04:002013-08-11T17:03:34.857-04:004:45 So, answer the question. What would you cons...4:45 So, answer the question. What would you consider evidence and how could it be obtained? <br /><br />I'm getting bored playing intellectual gotcha games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-54763199012286319162013-08-11T16:45:23.344-04:002013-08-11T16:45:23.344-04:00"Now 4:27 what would you consider evidence?&q..."Now 4:27 what would you consider evidence?" [that Frank Buchman was s freemason]<br /><br />As I made clear at 4.27, evidence that would stand up in court if he were accused of being a freemason (and if freemasonry were illegal). So far I have asked for such evidence and you have cited 5 websites, none of which even makes the allegation let alone provides evidence for it. Constance would make mincemeat of that if she were cross-examining you in court about it, wouldn't she?<br /><br />"If you want to identify with people who channel and do seances and take a Freemason's view of religion, go to it."<br /><br />I do not. I do not want to see Buchman called a freemason, which is a grave charge against a Christian (we agree about that), on the basis of insinuation and no solid evidence. What have you done if you are wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-46248429042887476602013-08-11T16:00:09.574-04:002013-08-11T16:00:09.574-04:00da:
If I had the time and money and other resourc...da:<br /><br />If I had the time and money and other resources, I'd put together a "New Age" version of discoverthenetworks..... It's a great piece of software that it uses, but costs quite a bit, and of course all that data needs to be entered and maintained.<br /><br />I've always loved the way it works.<br />Markonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-73566607673434872882013-08-11T15:04:54.695-04:002013-08-11T15:04:54.695-04:00Now 4:27 what would you consider evidence? Your q...Now 4:27 what would you consider evidence? Your question reminds me of another unanswerable one that was supposedly given on a test. "Define the universe and give three examples." Can't do it, you fail.<br /><br />I know Masons who privately told me they were Masons (very low level I am guessing),and yet I couldn't prove to you that they are Masons. There is no membership list open to the public. Unless a Mason states for the record that he is a Mason, forget trying to prove it. There is a level of secrecy to certain organizations, and Freemasonry is one of them. You can only see what individuals support in order to come to some kind of conclusions. Buchman ran with occult and Freemasonry believers. The AA push regarding establishment religion is the same as that of the Masons. That is clear. Believe if you want that he was out to convert them over decades. I'm not so trusting. <br /><br />Freemasonry hasn't interested me enough to do in depth research to the exclusion of other things. Based on what I am seeing lately, the connection with New Age people is so strong I should be doing more. What's the point though. It would take a lot of hard work and would only be of interest to me. Few people want to know think intelligently. They just want to feel good emotionally about what they have been taught and believe.<br /><br />My library has contained the book Who's Afraid of Freemasons, a rather academic approach rather than a conspiratorial approach. <br /><br />If you want to identify with people who channel and do seances and take a Freemason's view of religion, go to it. It's a free country. I'm not going to say you are a bad person because of what you believe. It's only on what you do that I would challenge you, and I have no idea what you are doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-50860650351676350952013-08-11T05:57:46.427-04:002013-08-11T05:57:46.427-04:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Buchman he does...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Buchman he doesn't sound that bad. <br /><br />I am not acquainted much with The Oxford Movement or its sumbolism, so I can't compare them to some occult symbols, but some of the latter are in fact stolen from ancient traditional Christian symbols for The Trinity.<br />this however is more important:<br />"J. C. Brown in his book The Oxford Group Movement says of Buchman:<br />He teaches his votaries to wait upon God with paper and pencil in hand each morning in this relaxed and inert condition, and to write down whatever guidance they get. This, however, is just the very condition required by Spiritist mediums to enable them to receive impressions from evil spirits. . . and it is a path which, by abandoning the Scripture-instructed judgment (which God always demands) for the purely occult and the psychic, has again and again led over the precipice. The soul that reduces itself to an automaton may at any moment be set spinning by a Demon.7 (Emphasis his.)"<br /><br />http://sparklesdelicious.blogspot.com/2007/10/alcoholics-anonymous-new-world-order.html<br /><br />possibly homosexual but this may have been a morbid misinterpretation of his avoidance of women to avoid any sin, and his concerns about young men's chastity, something derided by nominal Christians and others. Nobody seems to have <br />http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot630.html<br /><br />the most this analysis can come up with is that he was a latent homosexual at war with his desires, which isn't the same thing as a practicing homosexual. Buchman did seem to like to live lavishly, and had other problems. <br /><br />The lack of doctrine would in that English Christian environment one that had to do with denominational doctrines (the sort that used to cause wars) rather than openness to non Christian religion. The focus was definitely Jesus, repentance and fighting against sin, and he may have overdone it. <br /><br />The writer of the orange papers seems too hostile to "homophobia" for my taste.<br /><br />So far I can't find anything estabishing Buchman was a mason.Christine Erikson (aka Justina)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11594093718714798117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-36353789090692409562013-08-11T04:27:11.229-04:002013-08-11T04:27:11.229-04:00"As far as the above links, if it walks like ..."As far as the above links, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I doubt it is a lion. I do believe many low level Masons see no contradiction between their belief in Christianity and Masonry. Buchman, if the above information is correct, would appear to be at a high level."<br /><br />I asked for evidence that Frank Buchman was a freemason, which you or someone else asserted above. Not one of the five websites you cited even makes that allegation, let alone provides evidence for it. They either analyse Buchman or they say that somebody else was a freemason (Bill Wilson).<br /><br />Unproven! I'm prepared to believe it but I would require EVIDENCE - like they do in courts. Have you any?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-2644398056548934052013-08-10T21:17:38.282-04:002013-08-10T21:17:38.282-04:00"Francis Hartigan was the secretary for Lois ..."Francis Hartigan was the secretary for Lois Wilson, Bill’s wife, for thirteen years. He had many conversations with Lois about Bill. He writes, “[A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson's] belief in God might have become unshakeable, but he could never embrace any theology or even the divinity of Jesus, and he went to his grave unable to give his personal idea of God much definition. In this sense, he was never very far removed from the unbelievers.” (Bill W., by Francis Hartigan, pg. 123)"<br /><br />http://mywordlikefire.com/2008/09/24/seances-spirits-and-12-steps/<br /><br />WELL! I retract my agreement with the idea he was Christian.<br /><br />And it looks like the weak point I have noted, and that another link calls to task, about "God as we understood Him to be" was not just a way of keeping denominational disputes out and letting non Christians work with this AA stuff, with unintended side effects potentially, but was INTENTIONAL. <br /><br />Sure demons can make nice and help you with stuff as long as you stay away from Jesus Christ, I recall in my more slobistic days something was offering me to keep the house clean if I agreed to the thing, I said NO.<br /><br />This may be another case in point. <br /><br /> Christine Erikson (aka Justina)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11594093718714798117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-46734782043503954272013-08-10T19:30:44.331-04:002013-08-10T19:30:44.331-04:00http://www.raptureready.com/resource/hunt/dh2.html...http://www.raptureready.com/resource/hunt/dh2.html<br /><br />http://endtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com/index.php?topic=8604.0<br /><br />http://mywordlikefire.com/tag/dr-bob/<br /><br />http://mywordlikefire.com/2008/09/24/seances-spirits-and-12-steps/<br /><br />http://www.baptistpillar.com/article_728c.html<br /><br />I have another source that maintained the same thing as Buchman did about Hitler and the writer openly says he is a Mason. As the above information is enough, I prefer not to give that information out as it is part of a much longer piece on New Age. <br /><br />As far as the above links, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I doubt it is a lion. I do believe many low level Masons see no contradiction between their belief in Christianity and Masonry. Buchman, if the above information is correct, would appear to be at a high level. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-5518959641638248442013-08-10T18:54:26.657-04:002013-08-10T18:54:26.657-04:00Dear 11:12am,
This is 6.20am who asked for eviden...Dear 11:12am,<br /><br />This is 6.20am who asked for evidence that Frank Buchman was multifaith. You repeat a claim that he was a freemason, which is a serious allegation against a Christian and if true would certainly alter my opinion of him. What is your evidence for this claim, please?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-57800723995184132052013-08-10T12:12:25.285-04:002013-08-10T12:12:25.285-04:00Here's another interesting piece on AA.
http...Here's another interesting piece on AA. <br />http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot090.html<br /><br />he Religious Roots of Alcoholics Anonymous<br />and the Twelve Steps<br />by A. Orange<br /><br />Chapter 3:<br />The Religious Tenets and Doctrines of Buchmanism <br /><br />http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-spirrel.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com