tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post8585229157715917760..comments2024-03-28T17:51:54.517-04:00Comments on My perspective -- What Constance thinks: Dr. Monteith and I will do each other's programs tomorrow eveningConstance Cumbeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comBlogger121125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-45941957298255457382009-07-13T01:13:37.505-04:002009-07-13T01:13:37.505-04:00童裝批發
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There was and interesting ...4/25/2009<br /><br />Dear Joyce,<br /><br />There was and interesting talk in our synagogue today that brought our discussion to mind.<br /><br />It was a discussion of the Talmud/Mishna Ethics of the Fathers Ch. 2:14. The particular part of this paragraph I want to reference:<br /><br />“Which is the worst quality a person should shun? --- Rabbi Simeon said: One who borrows and does not repay. It is the same whether one borrows from man or from God, as it is said –‘The wicked borrows and does not repay, but the righteous deals graciously and gives.’ --- ”<br /><br />Everything we have, our lives and all beneficence, is borrowed from God. Jews believe that we owe God a debt we can never fully repay but try to pay in installments by following His will. It occurred to me that Christians believe that, because the debt can never be fully repaid, Jesus repaid the debt for them and they therefore do not have to worry about it.<br /><br />If you have a mortgage or loan you have trouble repaying, some creditors could lower the boom, force you into bankruptcy, or take other harmful measures. Other creditors will make arrangements by modifying the terms; extending the time, lowering the interest rate, deferring payment, without canceling the debt, to make it easier for the debtor to repay. This last model is the Jewish model.<br /><br />Ps. 78:37 Their heart was not sincere with Him; they were not faithful in His covenant. 38 But [the Father in heaven] is merciful, He forgives iniquity and does not destroy; Frequently He turns away His wrath and does not arouse all His anger. 39 He remembers that they are flesh, a spirit that goes away and does not return.<br /><br />It seems that the Christian model, following Paul, has an incorrectly dire view of the Father as a wrathful God and latched onto Jesus to ameliorate this view. IMHO the Jewish view is the correct one:<br /><br />Exod 34: 6 And the Lord passed before him and proclaimed: Lord, Lord, God, Who is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving kindness and truth, 7 preserving loving kindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and rebellion and sin.Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-25101674668909226192009-04-24T15:57:00.000-04:002009-04-24T15:57:00.000-04:004/24/2009
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One thing you would never ...4/24/2009<br /><br />Dear Joyce,<br /><br />One thing you would never be accused of being, notwithstanhding your faux-fluency with Hebrew words, is a Judaizer.<br /><br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-72093361809751705382009-04-24T13:58:00.000-04:002009-04-24T13:58:00.000-04:002/24/2009
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The Ebionites were a J...2/24/2009<br /><br />From Wikipedia:<br /><br />The Ebionites were a Jewish sect that insisted on the necessity of following Jewish religious law and rites,[1] which they interpreted in light of Jesus' expounding of the Law.[2] They regarded Jesus as the Messiah but not as divine. The Ebionites revered his brother James as the head of the Jerusalem Church and rejected Paul of Tarsus because he was an apostate towards the Law[citation needed]. Their name suggests that they placed a special value on religious poverty.<br /><br />Much of what is known about the Ebionites derives from the Church Fathers, who wrote polemics against the Ebionites, whom they deemed heretical Judaizers.[3][4] Some scholars agree with the substance of the traditional portrayal as an offshoot of mainstream Christianity. Many scholars distinguish the Ebionites from other Jewish Christian groups, e.g. the Nazarenes,[5] while others contest this.Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-88496714394889034712009-04-24T13:33:00.000-04:002009-04-24T13:33:00.000-04:004/24/2009
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I know all about Jesus' wo...4/24/2009<br /><br />Dear Joyce,<br /><br />I know all about Jesus' words and, as an overzealous, tiresome missionary, you don't influence me at all by using a psedo-Hebrew name for this god of gentiles.<br /><br />The problem is not Jesus' words but Paul's, John's and Joyce's.<br /><br />Jesus said to observe the Torah meticulously, like a good Jew, but the others deified him and dissed the Torah as an unattainable modle to be replaced by idolatry.<br /><br />You should read “The Mythmaker -- Paul and the Invention of Christianity,” by Hyam Maccoby (Harper and Row, 1986). Here is a brief synopsis:<br /><br />1. Paul was never a Pharisee rabbi but an adventurer of undistinguished background. He deliberately misrepresented his background to increase the effectiveness of his missionary activities.<br /><br />2. Jesus and his immediate followers were Pharisees. Jesus had no intention of founding a new religion. He regarded himself as a messiah in the normal sense of the term; a human leader who would restore the Jewish monarchy, drive out the Romans, set up an independent Jewish state, and inaugurate an era of peace and justice (known as the Kingdom of God). When this did not occur, his mission was a failure. He had absolutely no intention of being crucified to save the world. He never regarded himself as a divine being and would have considered this idea as idolatry, which is exactly what it is for Jews; a violation of the First and Second Commandments.<br /><br />3. James and Peter, Nazarenes, founded the Jerusalem Church after the crucifixion. Their beliefs were Pharisaic, except for their belief in resurrection of Jesus, and that he was the Messiah; NOT that he was a divine person. The Nazarenes were very observant of Jewish law, and did not believe that Jesus abrogated the Torah. They practiced circumcision and kept kosher. Their religion was Judaism. They broke with Paul for abrogating the Torah and disowned him.<br /><br />4. Paul, not Jesus, founded Christianity. (Some think that not even he did this but, rather, pagans who later distorted his Noahite message -- the message that pagans did not have to become Jews to earn God’s salvation). Paul (or his editors) derived Christianity from Hellenistic and pagan myths of the atoning death of a divine being, and that the Torah was created just to show that it was impossible to follow it; that atonement involved the mystical sharing the death of the divine being’s sacrifice, and was the only path to salvation. Paul got this primarily from Gnosticism and concepts from the mystery pagan religions, particularly from that of Attis. He combined these with features from Judaism, particularly incorporation of the Jewish Scriptures, reinterpreted to provide a background of sacred history for the new myth. Jesus had no idea of all this and would have been amazed and shocked. Paul’s knowledge of Judaism was recent and shallow.<br /><br />5. The Ebionites, whose ideas were suppressed by the church, showed that the NT lies about Paul’s background. Epiphanius, in particular, shows that Paul had no Pharisee background or training but, rather, was the son of gentiles and converted to Judaism. Disappointed in his hope of advancement as a henchman for the High Priest, he sought fame by founding a new religion.<br /><br />6. The Ebionites were stigmatized by the church as heretics who considered Jesus as human, not divine, and disagreed that the Torah was abrogated. They observed Halakha and considered themselves Jews. THEY were the authentic followers of Jesus; neither heretics or re-Judaizers, but the heirs of the Nazarenes. The latter were led by James and Peter who knew Jesus personally and were, therefore, in a far better position to know his aims than Paul who met Jesus only in dreams and visions.<br /><br />Instead of considering Christianity as a continuation, or perfection, of Judaism you should recognize it for what it really is; a brilliant concoction of Hellenism, superficially connecting itself with the Jewish scriptures and tradition, by which it seeks to give itself an air of authority. Paul tried to have his cake and eat it too. The gospels attacked the Pharisees as hypocrites and would-be murderers: yet they convey an impression of the Pharisees as figures of immense authority and dignity. This ambivalence reflects the attitude of Christianity to Judaism itself; on the one hand, as allegedly outdated ritualism but, on the other, a panorama of awesome history, a source of authority and blessing, so that at all costs the church must portray itself as the New Israel, the true Judaism. Read the book!<br /><br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-62320492486120664032009-04-24T01:33:00.000-04:002009-04-24T01:33:00.000-04:00Len,
Why don't you study Yeshua's words instead o...Len, <br />Why don't you study Yeshua's words instead of answering me.. I think you'll find that His Wisdom surpasses Rashi's...since He is the Word that became flesh. <br /><br />We know that the hebraic model is that God separated waters above from below. He gave Moses instructions to make the mishkan according to the pattern that he was given. <br /><br />We know that God planted a garden from before the beginning in delight ( that is to say, in Him).. <br /><br />We also know that Yeshua is the fulness of deity in bodily form. <br /><br />You can see a theme throughout the Scriptures, but above all God Himself made the way to restore us back to delight and that is in Himself. <br /><br />I don't see any separation between God and Yeshua.. If there is no separation, Yeshua is echad with His Father...<br /><br />Granted it doesn't agree with the concept of Mashiach or God put forth by rabbinic Judaism for the last 1900 or so years, but Rabbi Paul and a number of other Pharisees were convinced, so give it some thought and don't just assume that you have it right. <br /><br />Read Yeshua's writings, His wisdom and don't quote me all the canned passages.. Rav Sha'ul was no slouch, and he went from persecuting believers to following Yeshua.. Something must have convinced Him.. Maybe he was "binded by the light?"<br /><br />If I don't speak to you again in the next day or so, Shabbat shalom,<br />Joyce<br /><br />p.s. hope you had a really nice Pesach...Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-77636740626029549952009-04-23T23:31:00.000-04:002009-04-23T23:31:00.000-04:00Dear Joyce,
You are giving Jesus credit that belo...Dear Joyce,<br /><br />You are giving Jesus credit that belongs to God the Father alone. <br /><br />[Hosea 13:4]<br />I am the Lord your God, Who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but Me, no Savior except Me!<br /><br /><br />[Deuteronomy 4:35]<br />You are the ones who have been shown, so that you will know that God is the Supreme Being, and there is none other besides Him!<br /><br />[Deuteronomy 4:39]<br />Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the Lord, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other!<br /><br />[Deuteronomy 32:39]<br />See, now, that I, I am He -- and no god is with Me . . . .<br /><br /><br />[I Samuel 2:2]<br />There is none holy as the Lord. There is none beside Thee; neither is there any Rock like our God.<br /><br />[I Kings 8:27]<br />For will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Thee; how much less this house that I have built?<br /><br />[I Kings 8:60]<br />So that all the nations of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other!<br /><br />[II Kings 19:19]<br />Now, O Lord our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all kingdoms on earth may know that You alone, O Lord, our God. [ also Psalm 113:5]<br /><br />[Isaiah 40:18]<br />To whom then will you liken God? To what likeness will you compare Him?<br /><br />[Isaiah 40:25]<br />“To whom then will you liken Me, that I should be his equal?” says the Holy One.<br /><br />[Isaiah 42:8]<br />I am the Lord, that is My name, and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images!<br /><br />[Isaiah 43:10-11]<br />“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”<br /><br />[Isaiah 44:6-8]<br />This is what the Lord says, Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty, “I am the first and I am the last; apart from Me there is no God! Who then is like Me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare it and lay it out before Me . . . . Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”<br /><br />[Isaiah 44:24]<br />Thus said the Lord, your Redeemer, the One who formed you from the womb, “I am the Lord Who makes everything, Who stretched forth the heavens alone, Who spread out the earth by Myself.”<br /><br />[Isaiah 45:5-6]<br />I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God . . . . I will strengthen you . . . in order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the Lord and there is no other!<br /><br />[Isaiah 45:21-22]<br />. . . Who announced this from before, who declared it from the distant past? Is it not I, the Lord, and there is no God apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other!<br /><br /><br />[Isaiah 46:5]<br />To whom shall you liken Me and make Me equal and compare Me that we may be alike?<br /><br />[Isaiah 46:9]<br />Remember the first things of old, that I am God and there is no other; I am God and there is none like Me.<br /><br />[Isaiah 48:11]<br />. . . and My honor I will not give to another.<br /><br /> [Joel 2:27]<br />You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and I am the Lord your God, there is no other; and My people shall never be ashamed.<br /><br />[Malachi 2:10]<br />Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why should we betray, each one his brother, to profane the covenant of our forefathers?<br /><br />[Psalm 73:25]<br />Whom have I in heaven but You? The earth has nothing I desire besides You.<br /><br />[Psalm 81:8-9]<br />Hear, O My people, and I will admonish you; O Israel, if you would listen to Me! Let there be no strange god among you; nor shall you worship any foreign god.<br /><br />[Nehemiah 9:6]<br />You alone are the Lord; You made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens and all their host, the earth and all that is upon it, the seas and all that is in them, and You give life to all, and the heavenly host bow down before You.<br /><br />[I Chronicles 17:20]<br />O Lord, there is none like You, neither is there any God beside You, according to all that we have heard with our ears!Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-88926719772196651612009-04-23T22:35:00.000-04:002009-04-23T22:35:00.000-04:004/23/2009
Joyce said: "Instead of reading 12 Cent...4/23/2009<br /><br />Joyce said: "Instead of reading 12 Century rabbis, read Rabbi Yeshua..."<br /><br />LOL! In other words, instead of reading a twelfth century rabbi I should read a first century non-rabbi.Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-46141631008329322002009-04-23T22:29:00.000-04:002009-04-23T22:29:00.000-04:004/23/2009
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>>There are many ed...4/23/2009<br /><br />Joyce wrote:<br /><br />>>There are many educated, rabbinically trained Jews coming to know that Yeshua is the Messiah. <br /><br />Whatever happened to Zech. 12:10? Is your dropping the hot potato of your incorrect translation a concession?<br /><br />Many more highly educated Christians, including clergy, are converting to Judaism than the other way around; though numbers do not tell the whole story:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_converts_to_Judaism<br /><br />Here is a list of JUST FORMER CHRISTIAN CLERGY/theologians:<br /><br />• Nicolas Antoine, was a French-Christian Protestant theologian <br />Shlomo Ben Avraham "Ole" Brunell, former Lutheran minister from Finland and Australia. Along with him, his wife Ruth (formerly Runa), two adult daughters, two teenage daughters, and a former son-in-law also converted.[68]<br />• William G. Dever, a former evangelical minister, he converted to Judaism and became a world-renowned Biblical scholar <br />• Michael Flanagan, a former Baptist minister, his mother-in-law, wife and their two adult sons, grandchildren, daughter-in-law also converted to Orthodox Judaism. <br />• Hector Flores, a former evangelical minister, converted with 100 members of his Houston church [69] <br />Capers Funnye, first African-American member of the Chicago Board of Rabbis, serves on the boards of the Jewish Council on Urban Affairs and the American Jewish Congress of the Midwest, and is active in the Institute for Jewish and Community Research, he is also the cousin of Michelle Obama Julie Galambush, a former American Baptist Minister, she converted to Judaism Natan Gamedze, former Protestant Christian, linguist and a Swazi royal, now a black Haredi rabbi Lord George Gordon, Best known for heading an anti-Catholic Protestant association.[70] Ahuva Gray served as a Christian minister in the African American community both in Chicago and Los Angeles for fourteen years. She left that world in 1996 to fulfill her spiritual yearnings and become an Orthodox Jew. Nobutaka Hattori, a former Protestant Minister of Japan he converted to Orthodox Judaism Carolivia Herron, author John Hove, a former Lutheran pastor, he converted to Orthodox Judaism in 1988. Yitzchak Jordan, rapper converted to Orthodox Judaism Benjamin Klugger, former Pentecostal missionary, now Orthodox Jew and head of counter-missionary organization [71] Julius Lester, Author and musician who was the son of a minister.[72] Tonica Marlow, a former female evangelical minister and daughter of a Pentecostal preacher. She converted to Orthodox Judaism Mariano Otero, a former South Florida-based former Pentacostal minister is now a counter-missionary Yaakov Ephraim Parisi, former Pentecostal minister Skipp Porteous, former Pentecostal minister Thomas Roper, an ex-Baptist minister, he converted to Orthodox Judaism Carlos Samuel Salas, a former Methodist minister, he converted to Orthodox Judaism Gavriel Sanders former evangelical minister and missionary in Israel, he converted to Orthodox Judaism Arnold Schoenberg [73] Sheldon Christopher Smith, a former Pentacostal Pastor converted to Judaism in 1987[74] Johann Peter Spaeth, German theologian[75] "Johann Peter Spaeth (about 1642-1701), author of an attack on Spinoza's Tractatus Theologico-politicus, finally became a Jewish convert, called himself "Moses Germanus," and was even circumcised a few years before his death in 1697" Obadiah the Proselyte (né Johannes), priest and composer [76]. Paul Tan, a former evangelical minister in Singapore, is moving towards Judaism with members of his congregation [77] Asher Wade an ex-Methodist pastor; he converted in 1978 to Orthodox Judaism. David N. Weiss, Former Presbyterian minister David Weiss (born Jewish) returned to Judaism and is now a successful writer living in Los Angeles.[78]<br /><br /><br />>>Judaism may not believe that the Messiah is God, but don't forget Judaism is post-Babylon.. <br />I firmly believe that a lot of Jewish tradition which was developed to build fences around Torah, obscures the truth and reality of who Yeshua was.<br /><br />Nonsene! The Bible itself gives the lie to your fantasies.Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-13676610153842374172009-04-23T00:50:00.000-04:002009-04-23T00:50:00.000-04:00I'm always happy for you when you come back to wri...I'm always happy for you when you come back to write Len, because it reminds me ( not that I've forgotten) to pray for you in the name of Yeshua. May He give you true shalom, as a Jew who knows his risen Messiah. <br /><br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-65181405933707197092009-04-23T00:47:00.000-04:002009-04-23T00:47:00.000-04:00....oh and I should add He is I WILL BE WHAT I WIL.......oh and I should add He is I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE, and you know who that is Len...<br /><br />The religious leaders of the Second Temple period during the time of Yeshua were horribly corrupt, so let's look at their dialogue with Him before they took HIm away to have the Romans crucify Him:<br /><br />Mark 14:56-59 For many were giving false testimony against Him, but their testimony was not consistent. Some stood up and began to give false testimony against Him, saying, “We heard Him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with hands, and in three days I will build another made without hands.’” Not even in this respect was their testimony consistent. The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? 1What is it that these men are testifying against You?” But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see aTHE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and bCOMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”<br /><br />Yeshua says:<br /><br />John 6:48 “I am the bread of life.<br /><br />John 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”<br /><br />John 10:9 “I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.<br /><br />John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.<br /><br />John 10:14 “I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,<br /><br />John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,<br /><br />John 13:13 “You call Me aTeacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.<br /><br /><br />John 14:6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and cthe life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.<br /><br />John 14:10 “Do you not believe that aI am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.<br /><br /><br />John 14:20 “In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.<br /><br />John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.<br /><br />John 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he abears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.<br /><br />John 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “aYou say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, bto testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”<br /><br />John 19:21 So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘aThe King of the Jews’; but that He said, ‘I am King of the Jews.’<br /><br />Yeshua was I will be what I will be.. He is:<br /><br />He is this ONE:<br /><br />Ex. 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” <br /><br />I will be what I will be, is what Yeshua is and you cannot put him in your box. You can say what Judaism says, but you can not say what Torah says and there is a difference. Judaism does not equal Torah, nor does it even equal Tanach. Judaism is what was brought out of Babylon in order to preserve the House of Judah when they were in exile, but as we know in the galut.. Go back to Torah and read it without all of your prejudices and you might see that Yeshua is the Living Torah, the Word that became flesh, the Lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world. <br /><br />Num. 24:17 “I see him, but not now; <br /> I behold him, but not near; <br /> A star shall come forth from Jacob, <br /> aA scepter shall rise from Israel, <br /> And shall crush through the forehead of Moab, <br /> And tear down all the sons of Sheth. <br /><br />Who has ascended and descended? <br /><br />Prov. 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven and descended? <br /> Who has gathered the wind in His fists? <br /> Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? <br /> Who has destablished all the ends of the earth? <br /> What is His ename or His son’s name? <br /> Surely you know!<br /><br />The price paid for Yeshua:<br /><br />Zech. 11:13 Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD. <br /><br /><br /><br />I know Jews have suffered in the name of Christianity. I am well aware of our history, but remember what God said we would suffer. He said He would scatter us for our transgressions of Torah, and that one day He would gather us ( not just the Jews, but ALL Israel ) from the four corners of the earth. <br /><br />Psa. 106:27 And that He would cast their seed among the nations And scatter them in the lands. <br /><br />Jer. 31:27 ¶ “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and with the seed of beast. <br /><br />Matt. 13:38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are athe sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;<br /><br />Yeshua had such wisdom...incredible the parables He told..<br /><br />1John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. <br /><br />Now, how could such a wise, wise rabbi, be a liar? You are implying that someone with wisdom, which is God's wisdom could be telling a lie. You quote to me from 12th Century rabbis who might be wise, but they can even put a scratch in Yeshua's wisdom. <br />If you really stop and think and put aside all rhetoric of Judaism and just think Torah, think of God's wisdom and how unsearchable are His ways, Yeshua's atonement for your sin would make lots more sense.<br /><br />Read His Word, not mine.. put aside your dogma and just read His Words with an open mind and you'll see quickly who He is. <br /><br />He is the King of Glory, and one day, we will all bow down and worship Him.. My counsel to you Len, is to seek Him now..<br /><br />b'shem Yeshua,<br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-12830010249143811322009-04-22T23:48:00.000-04:002009-04-22T23:48:00.000-04:00Len,
There are many educated, rabbinically traine...Len,<br /><br />There are many educated, rabbinically trained Jews coming to know that Yeshua is the Messiah. Judaism may not believe that the Messiah is God, but don't forget Judaism is post-Babylon.. <br /><br />I firmly believe that a lot of Jewish tradition which was developed to build fences around Torah, obscures the truth and reality of who Yeshua was. <br /><br />Yeshua's confrontations with the religious leaders was sometimes about this very subject. <br /><br />Spend some more time reading the Gospels and you will see that Yeshua was not only the greatest rabbi that ever lived, but He is Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. <br /><br />Instead of reading 12 Century rabbis, read Rabbi Yeshua...You will be blessed...<br /><br />b'shem Yeshua,<br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-43934106399109213062009-04-22T22:34:00.000-04:002009-04-22T22:34:00.000-04:004/22/2009
Anon (why don't you identify yourself?)...4/22/2009<br /><br />Anon (why don't you identify yourself?) said:<br /><br />"I am still praying that everybody will kiss and make up, but if not, everybody should remember where the real vitriol on this discussion forum came -- to my observation, presently - sorry to say it -- DOROTHY! What does everybody else think?"<br /><br />I am only an occasional visitor here but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure ot the cause of the dissension.<br /><br />From my understanding of this blog, the main objective is to ferret out and expose the New Age movement and its dangers to world order and to the main-stream religions.<br /><br />It is evident that Joyce used the forum as a wedge to missionize for Christianity. Dorothy, being Jewish, resented Joyce's prosylytizing and let her know that it is irrelevant to the New Age problem and is, in fact, a distraction. <br /><br />I am also a Jew and saw that Joyce's arguments are not only irrelevant to the thread, but contain many typical missionary errors. <br /><br />As a pot, I am not really the one to call the kettle black. But I felt it important to correct the many errors I saw for the record. The Jewish Bible is too important to be distorted without correction. In fact such distortions are borderline sacreligious with ignorance being the only possible excuse. I endeavor to remove that excuse by shedding some light on the subject.<br /><br />I apologize to Ms. Cumby for the intrusion.<br /><br />Peace and blessing to all.<br /><br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-10139886837077215132009-04-22T22:02:00.000-04:002009-04-22T22:02:00.000-04:004/22/2009
Dear Joyce,
If you read the Rashi comm...4/22/2009<br /><br />Dear Joyce,<br /><br />If you read the Rashi commentary on Zech 12 you may grab on to the part about the Messiah, son of Joseph. Some Christins use him as a Jesus type notwithstanding that the popular Messiah is to be descended from David.<br /><br />If you have the patience for a very detailed analysis, from a Jewish viewpoint, of the two messiahs please go here:<br /><br />http://www.aish.com/torahportion/moray/Ketz_Bavel_-Zerubavel.asp<br /><br />Judaism does contain some aspects of a two-messiah tradition but nowhere is there any hint that any of these will be a divine being.<br /><br />Peace and blessing,<br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-70414032480880298512009-04-22T21:44:00.000-04:002009-04-22T21:44:00.000-04:004/22/2009
Following is the complete verse-by-vers...4/22/2009<br /><br />Following is the complete verse-by-verse commentary (except for omission of Hebrew words) on Zech. 12 by the widely followed (even in Christian seminaries) 12th century exegete Rashi:<br /><br />Chapter 12 1 The prophecy of the word of the Lord This is the completion of the word that he began to speak about the retribution of those who devour Israel - Esau and his ilk. 2 a cup of weakness a vessel of weakness, as in (Exod. 12:22), “in the blood that is in the cup.” weakness an expression of bewilderment, [it means] the clogging of the heart and the limbs, for, like man enwrapped in a garment, they have no strength, as in (Nahum 2:4), “And the cypress trees were enwrapped” ; and (Isa. 3:19) “And the bracelets and the veils.” In the language of the Mishnah (Shabbath 6:6) we find, “Arabian women may go out veiled.” It is involopiment in O.F. and also on Judah the nations that will be in siege against Jerusalem will impose upon Judah, for the house of David will be inside and the gentiles will besiege them. And also, the children of Judah will come, against their will, to besiege Jerusalem. So did Jonathan render it. 3 a stone of burden A stone of burden placed upon men by order of the ruler, to carry it and to load it on their shoulders. It is very heavy, to the extent that all who bear it become gashed. 4 I will smite every horse of those gathered there with bewilderment and blindness, and their riders with madness (Shem Ephraim). But upon the [members of the] house of Judah, who are among those gathered against their will, I will open My eyes to protect them from this plague. 5 And the princes of Judah shall say to themselves when they see that the others who were gathered are plagued with this plague, and they are saved. The inhabitants of Jerusalem were my strength, etc. The inhabitants of Jerusalem, who know that we came upon them against our will, strengthened my help with their prayer by the Lord, their God. 6 I will make the princes of Judah They will return and wage war with those who brought them there. as a fiery stove Like a great bonfire. The word ëéåø is an expression of ëéøä, a stove. So did Menahem (Machbereth, p. 109) classify it. in its place lit. under it. 7 And the Lord shall first save the tents of Judah Before the inhabitants of Jerusalem come out of the city, they shall have a salvation - to return to their tents and to their homes - and afterwards the salvation shall come to the inhabitants of the city. That is the salvation concerning which it is stated (14:3): “And the Lord shall go forth and wage war.” so that the boasting of, etc., shall not increase to boast over them and to say, “ You were saved only because of us.” 8 and the weakest among them Heb. äðëùì like angels Jonathan renders: like great ones, like angels. like the angel of the Lord before them They will prosper like the angel of the Lord before them. 9 I will seek to destroy I will seek their destruction, and I will be exact in judging their iniquity. And our Sages (Avodah Zarah 4a) explained this verse as concerning merit. I will search in the books of their deeds; if they have merit, I will spare them; otherwise, I will destroy them. 10 a spirit of grace and supplications That it should come into their mind to supplicate Me, and they will be in My good graces. a spirit Talant in Old French, a desire. they shall look to Me because of those who have been thrust through Jonathan renders: And they shall supplicate Me because of their wanderings. And they shall look to Me to complain about those of them whom the nations thrust through and slew during their exile. and they shall mourn over it Over that slaughter. as one mourns over an only son As a man mourns over his only son. And our Sages expounded this in tractate Sukkah (52a) as referring to the Messiah, son of Joseph, who was slain. 11 like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the Valley of Megiddon Hadadrimmon has no connection to the Valley of Megiddon. These are, rather, two cases of mourning. [The first is] like the mourning of Ahab the son of Omri, who was slain by Hadadrimmon the son of Tabrimmon in Ramoth Gilead, as it is stated (I Kings 22:36): “A cry passed through the camp.” That is the mourning [of Ahab. The second case is] like the mourning of Josiah the son of Amon, who was slain by Pharoah the lame in the Valley of Megiddon, as it is stated (II Chron. 35:25): “And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah, and all the singing men and singing women spoke in their laments, etc.” 12 the house of Nathan the prophet. Some say that it refers to Nathan the son of David, as it is said (II Sam. 5:14): “Shammua and Shobab, and Nathan and Solomon.” 13 the house of Levi The priests and the Levites. the family of the Shimeites Shammua the son of David. Scripture first makes a generality about the house of David, and then it specifies each one. 14 All the remaining families of the house of David. and their wives apart because of decency. Now why were the families of the priesthood and the kingdom [mentioned]? In order to restore their crowns to them, as it is stated in the beginning of the Book (4:14): "These are the two anointed ones who stand before the Lord of all the earth."Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-2905631389955072212009-04-22T21:22:00.000-04:002009-04-22T21:22:00.000-04:004/22/2009
Dear Joyce,
You make it sound like I in...4/22/2009<br />Dear Joyce,<br /><br />You make it sound like I invented my own translation. I did not. <br /><br />You can check it out yourself because just about the most accurate trfanslation is available on line; the Judaica Press Tanakh. Here it is verbatum:<br /><br />10. And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.<br /><br />http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16216<br /><br />The Jewish Jerusalem Bible, edited and printed in Israel. has essentially the same translation.<br /><br />The ArtScroll Tanakh also has essentially the same translation. That makes three (strikes:-?).<br /><br />I don't care who you said you spoke with. They have the same access to wideely used authoritative bibles that I do and if they don't use them it is their problem.<br /><br />Regards,<br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-520472784927396362009-04-20T10:56:00.000-04:002009-04-20T10:56:00.000-04:00Len,
The rabbi I met in Jerusalem, who spoke flu...Len, <br /><br />The rabbi I met in Jerusalem, who spoke fluent Hebrew and quoted that to me and said Yeshua is coming back here, pointing to the Mount of Olives did not understand the translation, and my Sabra Israeli friend who doesn't believe in Yeshua but doesn't know how to explain that verse but agrees on the content with , and friends that are scholars of Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Arabic, etc. These are all Jewish sources, not Christian ones, and not even Messianic ones, so I have to politely disagree with you. <br /><br />Zechariah is an interesting book because there are parts dealing with past and parts with future prophecies, but "they will look upon Him who they pierced and weep as one weeps for an only begotten Son". When you look at the verse, it is bracketed by two verses that both say "in that day" which is a euphemism for in the end of time:<br /><br />Zech. 12:9 “And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. <br />Zech. 12:10 ¶ “I will apour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, 1the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have bpierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one cmourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. <br />Zech. 12:11 “In that day there will be great amourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. <br /><br />One of the rules of Biblical interpretation is context, context, context and the context is "in that day"...<br /><br />Always good to hear from you,<br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-84787223311533087652009-04-20T00:55:00.000-04:002009-04-20T00:55:00.000-04:00April 20, 2009
Rudi invoked Zech. 12.
Before we ...April 20, 2009<br /><br />Rudi invoked Zech. 12.<br /><br />Before we discuss the meaning of Vs. 12:10, we need to first agree on the translation. IMHO the Christianized implicit one is simply wrong! <br /><br />It is not, "... look on Him whom you pierced and you will mourn for Him," but rather: <br /><br />"And they shall look to Me (Our Father in heaven)(v'hee-bee-too ai-lai) because of the one (ait asher) who was thrust through and they shall mourn over him as one mourns over an only [son]..." <br /><br />Your mistranslation is the same as that in John 19:37. <br /><br />If you look at Zech. 12, the entire chapter, you will see that it is about God's protection of Jerusalem, and how the Jews will successfully rebel against alien masters. <br /><br />Please note the reference to the events at Meggidon in Zech. 12:11. Then please look at 2 Kings 23:29, and 2 Chron. 35:22-23, the similar thrusting thorough of King Josiah. <br /><br />A more complete quote is: <br /><br />“On that day the Lord will protect the inhabitants of Jerusalem. On that day even the weakest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like divine beings, like an angel of the Lord before them. And on that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. “They shall look towards Me because of him who was thrust through and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only son, and be embittered over him like the embitterment over a deceased firstborn. On that day the mourning will be intense in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon at the valley of Meggidon. (Zech. 12:9-11)" <br /><br />You should ask yourself why exactly the opposite happened, in the Jesus era, with respect to the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. How can this prophecy be about Jesus if the Romans succeeded rather than being destroyed? <br /><br />Having dismissed Jesus from this, what IS the prophecy about? <br /><br />The commentary in the ArtScroll Tanakh says that the salvation will be so complete that people would be astonished if the enemy kills even one man. According to the Targum (Aramaic traslation of the Torah) and Talmud, Vs. 11 alludes to two events: the mourning over Ahab, son of Omri king of Israel, who was killed in battle by Hadadrimmon (1 Kings 22); and the mourning for Josiah, king of Judah, who was slain in the Valley of Meggidon. (2 Chron. 36:20-25)” Both these people were thrust through by arrows. <br /><br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-40238597202414184492009-04-19T20:17:00.000-04:002009-04-19T20:17:00.000-04:00Paul,
Quite interesting, but frankly looks like f...Paul,<br /><br />Quite interesting, but frankly looks like fiction to me. Bushes had their faults, but I believe they were all the Bushes. This reminds me of the type of fiction Eustace Mullins routinely generates and passes on to gullible Christians to further his personal New Age / Neo-Nazi agenda.<br /><br /><br />But thanks for letting me know it was out there, Paul.<br /><br />ConstanceConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-53996712846879855672009-04-19T17:33:00.000-04:002009-04-19T17:33:00.000-04:00Read about the DHS State and Local Fusion Centers
...Read about the DHS State and Local Fusion Centers<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/6xnm7t<br /><br /><br />and the American Civil Liberties Union's analysis What's Wrong With Fusion Centers <br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/2yycgdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-445236648783130242009-04-19T16:38:00.000-04:002009-04-19T16:38:00.000-04:00VW and HK-91,
Regarding Tesla, did you ever see th...VW and HK-91,<br />Regarding Tesla, did you ever see this ?<br /><br />http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htmpaulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-61888692042757262842009-04-19T14:48:00.000-04:002009-04-19T14:48:00.000-04:00HK-91
Fascinating information by Dr. Wood on 9/11...HK-91<br /><br />Fascinating information by Dr. Wood on 9/11, Erin and DEW. Tesla's work seems to be the gift that keeps on giving. One can only surmise the content and application of Tesla's confiscated paperwork. <br /><br />VWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-38631727239605626472009-04-19T12:27:00.000-04:002009-04-19T12:27:00.000-04:00To VW,
i.e."Re: Glen Beck - staged and manipulate...To VW,<br /><br />i.e."Re: Glen Beck - staged and manipulated media. When Beck was still with CNN he commented that the 9/11 families who were calling for investigations should stop whining - Never once did he shed a tear of support. Now he is on FOX claiming he's just a regular guy looking for truth and can't contain his ever so prominent alligator tears...please stay tuned to FOX - $$$."<br /><br />If you or anyone else is interested in the real truth behing 9-11try looking at this site:<br /><br /> <br />http://www.drjudywood.com/<br /><br />It may take a while to absorb this information, however consider the possability that this evidence is compellingly accurate.<br /><br />It will seem very strange at first, however, sometimes the truth is strsanger than fiction.<br /><br />We all know how extensive and effective the delusion the New Age is, this material will give you a more accurate understanding of just how effective and extensive it really is.<br /><br />When you are shocked by something new, information wise, you can choose two paths, you can shut down and ignore, or you can wake up and consider the new evidence. Please keep that in mind as you consider the information you'll read on this site.<br /><br />HKHK-91https://www.blogger.com/profile/17414784039164310086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-29388807120603760312009-04-19T10:10:00.000-04:002009-04-19T10:10:00.000-04:00Re: Glen Beck - staged and manipulated media. Whe...Re: Glen Beck - staged and manipulated media. When Beck was still with CNN he commented that the 9/11 families who were calling for investigations should stop whining - Never once did he shed a tear of support. Now he is on FOX claiming he's just a regular guy looking for truth and can't contain his ever so prominent alligator tears...please stay tuned to FOX - $$$. <br /><br />CNN also has their version of the regular guy - Jack MacCafferty. He's the tie free guy, angry about the assault on the middle class - over to you Wolf - $$$.<br /><br />VWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-56622185623694569422009-04-19T09:16:00.000-04:002009-04-19T09:16:00.000-04:00I don't believe Glen Beck and I don't believe
the ...I don't believe Glen Beck and I don't believe<br />the History Channel either, which last<br />night did an epic (endless) segment on <br />Nostradamus, whom they call, over and<br />over again, the "ultimate prophet", and <br />the "most amazing prophet" and the<br />the "go-to guy" of prophets and a bunch<br />of other titles which all make him seem<br />like something much more than, say,<br />Isaiah or Ezekiel, which is ridiculous<br />and only serves to confuse and cloud <br />what a real Prophet is.<br />Nostradamous was a sorcerer who had<br />a tight friendship with some demons<br />from hell. Just like Edgar Cayce, and <br />the people who produced "The Secret"<br />and the people who now give us this<br />New Age spirituality, which isn't new<br />at all. <br /> The one true God has revealed himself<br />as thoroughly and comprehensively<br />to mankind as he saw fit in the pages<br />of the Holy Bible. No other written<br />revelation is necessary.<br />People will do anything to avoid reading<br />God's Holy Word. <br />"_The testimony of Jesus Christ is the <br />spirit of Prophesy" (Rev.19:10)paulnoreply@blogger.com